#serious-discussion
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Now more than ever, you should all stop to reconsider what you're discussing. By spewing nonsense, you fail to see that the reason math produces so many gems and visionaries is because math is definitively hard, and has the hardest problems known to man, so men who consistently push themselves to solve adverse problems, will attain a generalizable ability to develop creative solutions to problems with ease as oppose to only dealing with the problems of a regular joe life, people who have been through it develop street smarts and learn how to solve street problems, but you can only see so many street problems, there are thousands of math problems in physics engineering and many other disciplines it is pure beauty!
Now more than ever, you should all stop to reconsider what you're discussing. By spewing nonsense, you fail to see that the reason math produces so many gems and visionaries is because math is definitively hard, and has the hardest problems known to man, so men who consistently push themselves to solve adverse problems, will attain a generalizable ability to develop creative solutions to problems with ease as oppose to only dealing with the problems of a regular joe life, people who have been through it develop street smarts and learn how to solve street problems, but you can only see so many street problems, there are thousands of math problems in physics engineering and many other disciplines it is pure beauty!
Wait where is this pasta from anyways
Me whenever someone says the word “group”
group
Now more than ever, you should all stop to reconsider what you're discussing. By spewing nonsense, you fail to see that the reason math produces so many gems and visionaries is because math is definitively hard, and has the hardest problems known to man, so men who consistently push themselves to solve adverse problems, will attain a generalizable ability to develop creative solutions to problems with ease as oppose to only dealing with the problems of a regular joe life, people who have been through it develop street smarts and learn how to solve street problems, but you can only see so many street problems, there are thousands of math problems in physics engineering and many other disciplines it is pure beauty!

Groups are old news anyway it’s all about the rings baybe
the main body was written unironically by some person around here a few weeks ago. i take some liberties with the intro now and again, though
What was the context
some person saying math is harder than life or something like that
It is
On the topic of copypasta though
Hey I'm back
it opens with "I think the reason math produces..."
I literally live without even trying
Math \subset Life
I was wondering why do we use calculator to solve logarithms that end up with a decimal
Damn you learned calc quick
How do you solve them without a calculator?
finished calculus already?
I haven't learned it yet
How would you solve log base 10 of 2 without a calculator?
Convert it into natural logs, power series
That's a calculator technically
I was joking lmao
Like youd write it as ln(2)/ln(10)
I know but that still requires calculator
Power series top and bottom
That's change of base formula
What's power series top and bottom?
Boom
2^3 = 8, 2^4 = 16, so it's somewhere between 3 and 4
Guys what’s the Taylor series of ln(1+x) again
thus we can say it's approximately 5
1-1/x+2/x^2+...?
Or alternatively approximately pi just to meme
It's 10^x = 2. log 10 (2) = x
Hold on I should really know this
That's just an example to show what I meant
I have no idea what that means. What's it called?
It's called ln(1-x)
Why didn't my dumb teacher teach me that
We aren't always going to have a calculator on us
Because you don’t need to know it
HAHAH ok you’re not going to be doing that in your head
And you don't really do calculus before logarithms.
Also no one actually cares about the value of logs
We don't need to know a lot of stuff they teach in algebra
I haven’t computed the value of a log in like 4 years
Do not diss algebra I will use words like “irreducible affine algebraic varieties”
It has come to my attention that I've forgotten approximately half of calc
Foundations has rotted my brain
You just take the limit as the sum goes to infinity
infinity is just a number 
Lol
Don’t do it analysis is a scam
:rycscream:
ye
you just "forall open sets" them
It’s not abstract alg that’s what’s important

I don't know what abstract alg is either
Cab you do analysis on countable sets?
It literally looks like an alien language
Do you know what a set is? Abstract Algebra does fancy things with sets 
Can I learn that after I learn calculus
A group is not a set smh...
lmfao awful explanation
Probably you'd take linear algebra first
I'll learn it after I learn calculus because right now I have to focus on learning calculus
yea do that
abstract algebra is fun but has nothing to do with calculus and stuff you're learning right now

Frog sullied
Bye
Can you do analysis on countable sets
I mean the answer is no because then it's not analysis
huh, can you do it as simple as I did though? 0.0
You can do analysis for on countable sets, but not a lot of it
you can certainly say some things about countable, even totally ordered sets sure
Like analysis on the set of constructible real numbers or something
yea that's bad you don't want to do that lol
The problem is that nontrivial complete spaces are usually uncountable
And you need completeness
^
Metric completeness
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Ok right then
So I can say that analysis is a mistake built on the lie that is uncountable sets
Countable complete metric spaces are probably more interesting than I'm giving them credit
ugh
But they're gonna have a lot of isolated points
Well
A convergent sequence
With its limit
And then you can imagine sequences with lots of limit points
But they just need to be somewhat spread out
Idk if the limit set needs to be discrete
No, certainly not
You can do something where a bunch of points in R^2 converge to all the (1/n, 0)'s from above
Like
These are nontrivial spaces even if they aren't perfect (every point is a limit point)
I wonder if you can construct a countable metric space where iterating the operation of taking sets of limit points never terminates
I think you could
With this example, the set of limit points is (1/n, 0) and the set of limit points of limit points is just 0
You cant do this construction infinite dimensionally without getting uncountable
But
Maybe there's another construction
The point being, what you care about in analysis is the set of limit points
So if eventually no point is actually a limit point (after peeling off everything that's irrelevant over and over)
Then it is not something worth doing analysis on
Actually wait, it does work
You just take the countable union of all these sets
They're finite sequences of reciprocal integers
If something’s not worth doing analysis on it’s usually worth doing algebra on 🥴
So I think there are interesting countable metric spaces
Aw shoot this is not complete for any reasonable metric is it
why #help-0 ? :/ Nothing's going on in there....
Hello everyone
Hi
Hi
Hi
Hi
lol

Preemptive strike
tinky winki to be lookin' fresh tho 

where is he going
he's going to find peace
yo
im not tryna complain or nothing im just curious about what i can do
like i dont know if its the case but no helper has had the time to help me with my questions in #help-1 and ive pinged the helpers roll already
like whats the protocol here if i still want help
the protocol is to think about it yourself
i did
i got answers that i think are correct @vivid halo
i just need confirmation/verfication
Is there a system that 'tallies' contribution (some servers have bots that count the amount of thanks they've been tagged with, for example) or is that not something that's being done here
Nothing here of that sort, however I think something is in the works?
Maybe mniip can comment further
Given that mniip is the lead bot developer
I have to go in to jury duty tomorrow :(
Unbased
i've been called once before when i was in college but I was able to get out of it then
because I was a student
but sadly not this time :(
I didn't go to any of them
I got out of one by changing address
I think the next one I ignored
hahaha
And then the last one I will get out of by changing address again
p sure that's illegal
sadly i dont know what the case will be
it might not even be a single case
it might end up being for a grand jury
@ mods!! @ mods!!! ban them they skipped judy duty!

which would be 3 days a week for 3 months
Oh my
jesus 3 days for months
imagine if you had to work to support yourself and then they make you do that
what's also crazy is that you only get paid $18/day
I'm surprised you get paid at all
and your employer doesnt have to pay you for work days missed
jury duty is a bunch of bs
Oh my
it's basically just for lunch
because they dont provide lunches
this
it depends on the state slim
like you have a million things to do
and the thing thats on your priority list is to go to a fqking court?
hahaha
that's a good one
nobody is arguing against that greatbonk
mr bonk is just venting their frustrations
you have to be an A grade patriot in order to think it means something
but you are right
even my profs hate it
they avoid it somehow
also the incentive sucks too
i think profs in my school earn around 50-60 dollars per hour
maybe
what do they get our of jury duty?
the compensation does not even cover what they get at their jobs
It's a civic duty but it still sucks coconuts
They get to ensure that the judicial system isn't falling apart
Art discussion in #discussion
Jury duty discussion in #serious-discussion
Tiktok discussion in #chill
If it was compensated properly then I think civic duty would be a fine excuse
Blessed math server discussions
big words from someone who skipped three times :P
i mean i like math and all
but i cant talk about it
because i dont know most of it
so.......
what else am i supposed to discuss
python?
c++?
excel spreadsheets?
csv files?
hahahaha
Time to melt into a puddle
i don't blame you
one of the few people i've seen that can constantly talk about math is RYC
and i dont understand him 95 percent of the time
someone give me a good math problem to think about while i'm sitting around waiting tomorrow
i dont know get something out of 500 textbooks you have
im sure you'll find something
lol

There was an interesting problem in #advanced-analysis
Hilbert space stuff
If the general case is too hard you can just consider the finite dimensional case
kind of a serious question if you were a student before
if you got hw problems before
you got a lot of them
but its only worth 4 percent
would that make you mad?
No
trying to read naming and necessity again. when does it get good? all this talk of nixon is real boring

yes because that means exams are weighted more heavily
and I am bad at exams
Do you pronounce Kummer as in Kummer theory like coomer or cummer?
Kummer
I think about this often tbh

@last oxide would know
Kümmer.

in all seriousness, the 'u' is pronounced 'oo'
Cooma
random q
is having a uniformly convergent subsequence going to the pointwise limit enough for convergence

cooma is probably correct
enough for convergence in what sense?
oh
uniformly convergent subsequence, pointwise convergent sequence, you want to conclude uniformly convergent sequence?
just interleave one uniformly convergent sequence and another nonuniform pointwise convergent sequence with the same limit
and that makes it false
interleave like even terms are from one sequence, odd terms are from the other
oh
ye
I see
that makes sense
the same way youd do if it didnt have pointwise limit at all
yes
Take back the blue status

Yellow sucks
speedrun to colored username
This color is.... Meh
it would be nice if it were a brighter banana yellow
right now it's kind of a gentle pastel
like a banana yogurt
Looks like a banana yellow
Lol
Ryc knows so much buy does not know how a rainbow looks like
the red heart without a sparkle didn't work
it looks red

BIG
It's pink
cope
mac users malding
ios in shambles

Apple shmapple
Ok you fixed it






where is cyan

VTubers need iphone X to do face tracking
Ryc just make your name in all caps and I'll be happy
ok
ryc
more likem rych
You need to make your presence known
oh god my eyes
i haven't done caps
irryc
but that's not a bad idea
do i need to simp for apple on main again
think, geometer, think
i will
.... elaborate Deez nuts joke

Nice try dami
lmao
Bitin Deez nuts lmao

Im just a temporary resident who works in construction
Trying to earn some cash
And migrate out
No
be bonked out*
I'm a construction worker
is ur a resident in the US without citizenship caring about who is in charge might actually matter more lol
see: every asian PhD student circa 2020
well also just visa holders in general

I don't care honestly
probably has ligma
i don't think you'd even be elligible to vote
Me when I'm a minority and therefore actually have to care about my human rights whenever election season comes about
okay real question
Seven
Tfw dami set off politics discussion with a Deez nuts joke 
did i get it right
Yes
i keep seeing that it exists statistically
absolutely...
Lots of bi erasure, not as much direct prejudice
bi erasure is real
his strategy all along
discussion 2 was dead
But it definitely does exist
I'm not just talking about erasure
Yeah what have I done
I see a lot of direct prejudice mostly from mono(?)sexual gay people
Erasure not same thing necessarily?
Erasure is often like
For some reason cis lesbians are really mean to bi women
how is erasure not a direct example of prejudice
there is a definite difference
a few lgbt spaces i've been in have made "lol just choose a side" comments
Basically forgetting
gold star lesbianism
I think he has in mind "direct stuff"
I've seen bi people called like fake LGBT, that's probably the most direct thing I know
I think its discussed less for bi men
i think what I mean (and what fiona probably means) is that erasure usually is a method of invalidating an identity but is not necessarily a means of oppressing that identity directly which is more what I am talking about
its mostly being dismissive Ig
thats kind of the reason why a lot of gay people prefer to identify as bissexual
the prejudice is def there but its less
I dont think thats true
I know a lot of gay people who think theyre bisexual when theyre younger
But I dont think its that common to identify specifically as bisexual
hmm, but you're preventing folks who are in the closet from joining the community, and silencing people who try to have conversations about it. i guess you're talking about a more explicit form of oppression?
when you are monosexual
sorry maybe if i clarify the source of this it will make what im getting at more obvious ryc
there was a survey
where 5% of academics said they wouldn't want to hire someone who is homosexual
but 6% would not hire a bisexual
wtf
so apparently
wait what
there is some extra 1% that just like
That is so utterly bizarre
really hate bisexuals
oh there's also like the weird anti-bi thing where some people think bi people are more likely to cheat
let me find it
and it's kinda ?XD
maybe also some kind of STI thing? like, idk
so weird
Lots of candidates and few jobs, it need only take one person's opposition in one department to derail your chance of getting hired any given year. But actual lol that the only thing it's really safe to be is a member of the Democratic Party. And you better have voted Warren too!
326
maybe wouldnt hire bissexual doenst contain wouldnt hire homosexual
see the image

in that tweet
(plenty of way more horrifying stuff in that image than what I am talking about)
but its still really confusing
transgender
20%
yes
🙂
reminder that P(A or B) < P(A), so actually less bisexuals experience discrimination even though the percentage is larger
if thats n=159 thats like 1 person right?
it's 2 fryctal
transgendered people are really demonized nowadays, a lot of people have moved on from hating gay people to the next more socially accepted group to hate
@deep mango my assumption reading this image is that almost everyone who is anti-homosexual is anti-bisexual but the extra 1% is only anti-bisexual
Its interesting that its so high among evangelical and fundamentalists but also not necessarily surprising
which isn't proven obviously
But I imagine the overlap of evangelists trying to go into academia is already very small
that is my assumption as well
idk
oh if n is that low then maybe this is just a freak outlier
its also dumb that "jewish" is just one category
its kind of a bit ill-defined too
"slight or strong unwillingness"
do antisemites even care about the difference really
they don't
I mean if youre talking about academics im sure theres more prejudice against hiring a haredi person than someone like me
i'm unwilling to hire any of you
Especially wrt employment
They write Jewish for the people who don't know the word semite
idk, I think there are some gay people who really do not like bi people (or trans people), and that could be a nontrivial amount of people making the bi % higher
maybe i just like
spend my time on parts of the internet that somehow avoid that specific flavor of biphobia
also in my experience some anti-semites are legitimately more hostile towards haredim but dont really distinguish between others
like conservative vs reform
in a similar vein
i see
TERFs are aplenty still
it's annoying how many spaces are lgb drop the t or anti bi
i see the anti-trans stuff a lot
I'd def hire me and give me tenure
gbtdropthel
was my favorite
ldropthegbt
i think it's in certain communities only. it's like terf-tier stuff
me taking any test
lgbtq+dropthelgbtq
+dropthelgbtq
The + is a dpad so it stands for gamers
haha I've never heard that one before that's gold
gamer-americans need to be a protected class
why
its not normalized tho
it is
it's pretty normalized
genz ppl don't even bat an eye
Hang around less nerds
multiple profs I have are on discord
back when i spent a ton of time on teamspeak
uhmm
not nearly as much as other social media
that shit was weird
at least not here
on Discord
maybe it is for muhricans
cause campuswire and piazza fucking suck
are you bri'ish fractal
how do i convince peter to make an REU discord
discord is basically the default communication platform for a large portion of gen z (from what I've seen at least)
piazza is nice, but it's not a good communication platform
Tell him and then let me join
no, Im brazilian 
it's nice for asking/answering questions
Get me an REU and I'll make it
I cant believe no one snuck me into the uchicago REU
yea but that's alot of work
transphobia is alive and well

give me the REU and I'll make it for you
br? 
In this manga I'm reading, there was an entire chapter where one of the characters shills discord for 20 straight pages
so discord is a thing in Japan too at least
a brazillian and a spaniard walk into a bar
🍫
🍫

97 percent chocolate does not taste good
yes it does
Too bitter
I don't think you've tasted 97 percent chocolate before
I like 95-97
i have eaten a lot of 97% chocolate
i have eaten some 99.9% chocolate (or whatever the super high one is)
that's actually like eating dirt
the only way you can describe the taste is "earthen"
I don't think 3 percent makes a difference
I've never had that
80 percent or bust
70-75 is prolly my favourite
Most edible in normal sane circumstances
i like spicy soups and curries
i am not interested in carolina reaper chocolate
I have a lot of very dark chocolate pictures
nice
I love dark chocolate
I don't like white "chocolate"
That's just a sugar bar
I don't get why people like that thing
It's literally just sugar and fat one of the most addictive substances
And you can't taste anything after eating it
I don't get why people like that thing
It's literally just sugar and fat one of the most addictive substances
well there you go
not quite chocolate
Recomendme chocolate
Don't get me started on white chocolate ice cream
Ewwwwww
I'm more of an extreme pepper guy
ruby chocolate
why don't you experience pain?
I'm used to pain
white chocolate is actually a hate crime n should be illegal
I eat stuff that elephants wouldn't dare to eat
I LOVE DARK CHOCOLATE OMG
Like a naga pepper
They use naga peppers to repel elephants from the farms in india
I ate 2 of those
I know
It's a good pepper
It tastes sweet
you should move on to horse tranquilizer
Has a berriesh and fruity type of flavors
The reaper does not taste as good as a naga pepper though
Actually peppers developed capsceascin
To prevent the development of bacteria
That makes them sick
Birds and insects are immune to capsceascin
They'd eat it no problem

ooh that's a good replacement for 
@dull salmon basically my spouse was supposed to be guaranteed a spot at a university as part of an honors transfer agreement from community college
She filled out everything she needed, did what she was supposed to and got waitlisted
Took 2 weeks of leg work to fix the mistake
I took Calc 1 after calc 3 and linear algebra, so they tried to deny me my associate's
Because UC Irvine said they wouldn't accept me if I didn't take Calc 1
Since I never had AP Calc, and my first math class in college was Calc 1&2 Honors
based
in my previous community college
i took precalc along side with calc 2
lol what happened to ultra
He said something big math didn't like
the brass
they didn't agree with ultra wanting to be muted, so they muted him
Ultra is a logician and he won't disagree for a whole day
i want dark choccy now 😭
I'm not big on dark chocolate tbh
Why do people who ask for exam help absolutely suck at hiding that it's an exam?
Desperation
also presumably you can't do a good job of hiding the exam when ur under a time limit
so combined results in a half assed coverup
Now
as for take home exams
you can probably get away with it
Not saying you should ! 
Well I don't think that's the question
More like
Basically why are people so bad at cheating without getting caught?
i see
i mean
To be fair
we can only observe those that fail to cheat successfully
Who knows how many people have cheated successfully here
i mean Can we know?
i dont think we know it lol or else staff channel would be bubbling
boiling, even
discord anticheat moment
idk
anyways u get my point
it could be flawed idk
some people do not try to conceal at all dami
i hear professors talk about parents of students complain about online exams
and while doing so admitting to helping
this corona thing seems to have skewed perception on what cheating is
because so many people work together on exams anyways now and they seem to think its normal
I guess that's fair, I feel like I'd at least wanna know when the things I'm doing start to get risky
Lol. If I were a parent I could see myself accidentally helping my kid on a exam at home. (Feels just like a homework.) But I'd probably catch myself before actually doing it.
oh, the parent was fully aware it is an exam
Said they weren't a logician
Ultra spoke against bigmath

Sir,The big math can't allow you to know that
Rate my activeness in this guild from 1-10
clearly the bot rates your activity at 0/1
yes
Is web Dev supposed to be wack
web dev is
Wait what?!?! People actually thought I was a girl?

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fudge, my U's look like unions and my C's look like the subset symbol...
and my X's look like the Cartesian product
e looks like epsilon
e like epsilon?
ye for me
How do you write e's?
pretty much like epsilon but with that curve on top
are you referring to this $\epsilon$?
Tokidoki
I think so
yur
Tokidoki
yeah here it is
and my d looks like cl lel
oh lmao
conjugacy class vs. metric
well conjugacy classes are denoted Cl but it's close enough

Yeah, the way I write d/cl is rather mixed up
Other than that: u, w, m, n are supposed to be deciphered from context.
are we discussing handwriting
there is an isomorphism between my u and n. also among my i, r, and v
just a pangram?
the quick brown fox or the sphinx
yeah that's honestly nice
Slash through 0
no, i just got my bachelor's.
I like your g's
my empty set is visually distinct from my zero
I used to write 4s like that but my teachers got mad because they said they looked like 9s so my 4s have open tops now
I didn't realize people defended their bachelors theses, congratulations!!
I write boxy 4's
Scribble scribble
byotiful
did i ever tell y'all i have a special form for the letter i when i use it as the imaginary unit or as the first vector in the standard basis for R^2 or R^3
Piece of mine
what do you use? the turkish i with no dot?
nope
manan's handwriting is all bubbly and round
Pointy f
I started using a blackboard for writing around 3 years back
It has influenced how I write a bit
oh woah


Neat
aha, i use the hat as well
i sort of draw a really tight e for the base of my i
but j is the best i when using complex numbers 😛
if I'm writing imaginary units
I do #2 for imaginary i as well, but I round it up instead of sharp node
everyone knows you have the real axis and the japanese axis
j is the most appropriate
Oh all of my is are the same
ok engjneer
Whoops
i put a middle stroke throw all my numbers and letters
edd no
I sometimes omit middle strokes in t 
that's just a j transpose

for whatever reason, people in germany draw the 1 like a 7
but with like a huge flap

it's ugly without the middle stroke
I keep switching between flapped 1 and just vertical bar
the only acceptable alternative is the serif
Ann has bought into the lies of big ink
Ink, Inc.
Yeah, I go for #4
inkorporated
sometimes a bit more open
I use the first one
i do #2 or #4
No, second one sorry
i use any of them except #3
any of y'all do sharp threes?
how are you supposed to write sharp threes?
Inadvertently, if that counts 
bubbly 3 best 3
Your writing skills are solely judged by how you write ∞
by how you write { }
oh that's so nice
Oh I'm kinda fine with curly braces
let us see your brackets
that's real art
curly braces pl0x
That is a neat 3
I need to start writing my 3's like that
curly braces took so much concerted effort for me to learn

your first grade teacher is disappointed
they arent even part of english grammar
no way you did that first try ann

Max gatekeeping curly braces
lol she disappeared like 5 mins to write that
i WAS gatekeeped
Ann has been preparing this for years
Tfw you don't learn Greek, Hebrew or Mathfrak either

Gatekept?
keeped
oh also y'all wanna see my greek
gatedkeeped
Daim Ann chill u flexing too hard on us
Gatekeepeted
the only good way to write nines is from the bottom up
i will not take criticism on this
hard disagree
i am right
blocked
i have the skill to write \xi perfectly first try
first you draw the circle, then you bestow a tail upon it
Blockeeted
try to write aleph
and tell me it's not a g
Beat my integrals
bruh wasting like 5 lines per integral sign
writing any smaller than that would annoy me as a gtader
that's Xi
grader
people write it that way
keep it up manan


whitespace is good, actually
I don't like the almost-verticalish integral sign

Aesthetically displeasing
manan i will have to ban you
mine are vertical but i also dont ever show anyone anything ive handwritten
you are just wrong
Your integral signs are like big fs without middle dashes
Yes
I don't care if they're meant to look like S
Cursed
no u
having good handwriting doesnt matter because you should never turn in work done with pen and paper anyway
I write the loop of the 9 first.
everyone knows camscanner pictures are legit for turning in hw
please jes
handwriting is so painful to look at and read
lmao
I scanned my hw in first year cause I didnt manage my time good enough to type it
btw
but that seems like a sin now
fantasque sans mono best font
oh no opinion
comic sans
youre allowed to change your latex font iff youre writing a textbook
I would have my wedding ceremony invitation in LaTeX with computer modern.
My professor wouldn’t give us enough time to type it anyway. The only option was to write our answers and scan them
lmao
ann that looks awful
it's easy to read
it doesnt max you just have horrible taste
it looks like comic sans at a job interview
Computer modern is the canonically correct font
LMAO
That is such an apt description
thanks im a warrior poet
all y'all have bad taste
Sus

@devout nacelle says the impostor



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