serious-discussion

[errant zenith]

but u couldnt access files or manage files

[neon garnet]

i didnt check 🤷🏽‍♀️

[errant zenith]

so you can use the OS bcz (im assuming) it is stored in your RAM, but any work you do probs wont be saved

[neon garnet]

i could open the internet

[errant zenith]

wait but yes i think you should restart your laptop lol

[neon garnet]

mmm that could be

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

i lowk was thinking what'd happen if i removed the flash

but i never trtied bcz i scared

[neon garnet]

well, now you know ^^

[errant zenith]

but eventually itd need to access something from drive files

it would crash

eventually it wouldve crashed i think

why'd you even take it out

[neon garnet]

well, the os seemed. unpersistent.

not sure where my apps and things went

or configs

[errant zenith]

???

so you unplugged it? XD

[neon garnet]

no i mean now

[errant zenith]

Oh yeah did you restart your pc?

[neon garnet]

after rebooting

[errant zenith]

Oh

[neon garnet]

🥀

[errant zenith]

is ewverything gone

[neon garnet]

yepp

[errant zenith]

did you reboot it at all after installing linux

[neon garnet]

hm idts

[errant zenith]

Okay - I need to ask something

Can you work me through how you installed Linux first of all

You installed the iso file right? and then burnt it into the flash?

[neon garnet]

yep

y

[errant zenith]

okay and then you plugged it into your pc

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

and then you restarted and booted into the usb right

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

and then you had the linux page and all

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

and then you started using linux?

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

um

[neon garnet]

mhm?

[errant zenith]

did you happen to see the icon on the top left that said "Install Linux Mint"

[neon garnet]

[errant zenith]

because they give you a trial version to test it out using just the usb before actually installing it

which doesnt save any of your data

[neon garnet]

ooooooooooo

thats what that disk is for

[errant zenith]

so you never installed linux?

[neon garnet]

okay lemme click it

[errant zenith]

Oh my

yes it is the disc icon

[neon garnet]

yep ^^

[errant zenith]

oh

so you never actually installed it

everything you had is gone now

:(

[neon garnet]

luckily i didnt set too much up yet

[errant zenith]

okay okay thats good

also um

do you happen to have another flash

like a cheap smallsized one

[neon garnet]

yep

unmmm

wait i dont want to erase windows thi

[errant zenith]

dont

wait be careful

send screenshots

or like photos

[neon garnet]

it says

• erase disk and install linux mint

which disk??

[errant zenith]

No

send photo

I don't think you can install linux on the same usb you are using to like boot it (the usb where you burnt the iso file)

[neon garnet]

maybe i burn the iso to another flash drive and then install to my flash drive

so how do i unburn from my current one?

[errant zenith]

i think you need to use another flash with the burnt iso

u dont need to its fine

bcz when u install linux on it later it will wipe it anyway

[neon garnet]

o ok

[errant zenith]

you will need to partition it while installing ill show you how

[neon garnet]

lemme boot windows

[errant zenith]

but for now can you burn the iso on another flash?

[neon garnet]

yepp

its

oh its = i think so

[errant zenith]

olkay

xd

[neon garnet]

see now the usb thing makes more sense to me

[errant zenith]

which

[neon garnet]

unplugging

the first thing i'll do when i install mintos is unplug it while it runs and see what happens probably

[errant zenith]

okay

did u burn the iso into a new seperate flash?

[neon garnet]

issues

[errant zenith]

what is it?

[neon garnet]

🤷‍♀️ header not a fn

o nvm

[errant zenith]

uh okay

[neon garnet]

i think its important to reformat the thumbdrive

[errant zenith]

why>

[neon garnet]

bc my system doesnt get it

[errant zenith]

it is okay

it doesnt need to

when youre installing linux it will show up

[neon garnet]

it doesnt realize its a drive

nope

so its important to reformat it prlly

[errant zenith]

you have etcher right?

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

on windows can you see the drive

the thumbdrive

[neon garnet]

1/2

it says ???

so prlly reformat

[errant zenith]

do yk how to

[neon garnet]

hold plz

[errant zenith]

okie

[neon garnet]

lmaooo i nearly
flashed the wrong drive

[errant zenith]

yikes

be careful

always quadruple check lol

[neon garnet]

well both were safe ^^

i figured out rhe issue btw

it wasnt plugged in enough and i was looking at a different drive c:

[errant zenith]

oh isee

u can double check w the name and also the size

to be safe

anyways so you flashed the iso into a new usb now?

[neon garnet]

pending

[errant zenith]

okay okay thats good

[neon garnet]

yepp

now time to get my book

[errant zenith]

wow

[flint turret]

Ubuntu?

[neon garnet]

11m wait time

mintos

[errant zenith]

it is okay

[neon garnet]

cool so those are working

lemme find more books

[errant zenith]

what ru doing with all these books youre finding

reading, i hope

[neon garnet]

yep!

[errant zenith]

thats good

[neon garnet]

i believe in expanding my imagination

like people say to dream big. how do you dream bigger?

probably read

[errant zenith]

i also read

[neon garnet]

read what?

[errant zenith]

i agree

[errant zenith]

everything

i just read random novels i like

[neon garnet]

what's one you've liked recently?

i'm probably going to read uncanny valley: a memoir by anna wiener soon

[vast wraith]

[neon garnet]

i love nuancing a hypothesis

"it works!! except for these cases where it doesnt 🥀 "

[neon garnet]

what book?

[errant zenith]

well I recently read "The City of Ember" by I think Jeanne DuPrau,

its quite an old book and as a fantasy and mystery lover - I should've read it long ago lol (and people were recommending me to read it)

[jagged forge]

bruh

[errant zenith]

O I actually heard about that but idk much

[errant zenith]

didnt it like get an award or something

[neon garnet]

idunno

[errant zenith]

anyway whats your favourite book/book series, if any?

I think it's valid not to have an all time fav

[neon garnet]

im redownloading the iso

corrupted prlly

[errant zenith]

oh okay fairs

hopefully it works out let me know

[vast wraith]

paul halmos’ “automathography”

[neon garnet]

yepp

[neon garnet]

cool ^^

it looks light for math

[neon garnet]

i hope i can get the install started in the next hr while doing other things 😵‍💫

[errant zenith]

i hope so!

[neon garnet]

⏳

[errant zenith]

do you have things to do?

like chores or work or smthn

[neon garnet]

yepp i probably will get more focused time in like two hours

[errant zenith]

ah okay

[neon garnet]

well i feel excited to set up the system correctly

[errant zenith]

I'm sure it'll work out this time!

[neon garnet]

yepp ^^

[errant zenith]

did the iso download?

[neon garnet]

it's nbd if it doesnt

6m

i could be reading while i wait

[errant zenith]

true

I guess this must be tiring for you

@neon garnet what you up to? Any news?

I’ll sleep - hope it works out for you

Don’t wipe the wrong disk by accident! If you’re stuck just wait and ask for help yk , so you don’t mess something up

[neon garnet]

short answer: now installing
and taking a while

[dusky sapphire]

Hi

Goodnight

[errant zenith]

Hi how is it now??

[lyric salmon]

Has anyone here heard of anybody who’s gone through med school and studied math + CS in their free time and has come out okay? I rlly wanna know if this is even possible..

Like full Clinical years + internship and even specialization after while being a math geek on the side

[sharp mulch]

I know some math majors who went to med school after graduating

I also know some people doing MD/PhDs with the PhD being in math

[lyric salmon]

o so one could do that !

[sharp mulch]

They usually double majored in a bio field as well

[lyric salmon]

absolute monsters

isn’t that like, really hard or something?

is it even accomplishable?

[sharp mulch]

It is accomplishable yes

[lyric salmon]

hmm

now do i want to work my butt off because i want to be greedy and have it all

math is a must

everyone should study math

!!!

[visual mesa]

[fringe summit]

@velvet dagger another one

[velvet dagger]

Gonna just delete these requests as I see them

[vernal token]

@rocky shuttle now I'm officially enrolled in Bonn!

[rocky shuttle]

Congrats, Kepe!

Now abuse your library and institutional access as much as you want

[vernal token]

Thanks!!

[vernal token]

Yes haha

[raw narwhal]

i graduated highschool in 2022 only very recently have i decided to go back to school im attending the university of washington at the moment should i go through khan academy and do algebra 1 algebra 2 geometry precalculus calculus trig it seems like ive forgotten alot of math

[haughty lion]

Welcome aboard :D

[cursive fossil]

no

review them thru practice problems

[raw narwhal]

ohh ok

[cursive fossil]

if it isn't familiar to you anymore just go watch a video regarding it

[vernal token]

Thanks!

[haughty lion]

🙂 Daily Quordle 1262
8️⃣9️⃣
7️⃣6️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/
🟩⬜⬜⬜⬜ 🟩⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩⬜⬜🟩⬜ 🟩🟨⬜⬜⬜
🟩⬜⬜🟩🟩 🟩⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟨⬜⬜⬜🟩 🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩🟨⬜⬜🟩 🟩🟩⬜⬜⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟨🟨⬜⬜
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

🟩⬜⬜⬜🟨 ⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜
🟩⬜⬜⬜⬜ ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜⬜🟩⬜🟩
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜⬜🟩🟨🟩
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩
🟨⬜⬜🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
Phew

[old oak]

🙂 Daily Quordle 1262
7️⃣6️⃣
4️⃣5️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/
⬜🟨⬜⬜🟩 🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩⬜⬜🟨⬜ 🟩⬜⬜🟨⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟨 ⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟨⬜⬜🟩 🟩🟩⬜⬜⬜
🟨⬜⬜⬜🟩 🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩🟨⬜⬜🟨 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛

⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩 ⬜⬜🟩⬜🟩
🟩⬜⬜🟨⬜ ⬜⬜⬜🟨⬜
⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜ 🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 ⬜🟨⬜🟩🟩
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

On the other hand: Wordle 1,481 X/6*

⬛⬛⬛⬛🟨
🟨⬛🟨⬛⬛
⬛🟩⬛🟩🟩
⬛🟩⬛🟩🟩
⬛🟩⬛🟩🟩
🟨🟩⬛🟩🟩

Horsle strikes again

[terse ledge]

Wordle 1481 4/6

⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
⬜🟩🟨⬜⬜
⬜🟩⬜🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[terse ledge]

you should letter farm when you find there are a lot of words with some combination you have found

[haughty lion]

Wordle 1,481 3/6*

⬜🟨⬜🟨⬜
🟨⬜🟨🟩⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

I had a good wordle

[haughty lion]

You cant do that in hard mode

[terse ledge]

lol, i just play in discord

in one channel everyone plays everyday so i started doing it

[haughty lion]

I never realized its on discord

I have the nyt games app

[old oak]

I would have, but in hardmode you are forced to take full "advantage" of the hints (so green letters are locked in place, and you need to use the yellow ones somewhere)

[old oak]

I use the browser like the dinosaur that I am

[terse ledge]

brutal

also unfair

imagine if you have multiple options and a single chance left

[old oak]

Well, that's why it's' the hardmode and not enabled by default.

[craggy parcel]

hardmode is dumb

takes a good chunk of the skill out of the game

[neon garnet]

setbacks 🥀

something didnt complete in the install or something

or like didnt work

the install aborted a bit before 1a last night

not sure why yet. i can try to figure it out tn.

actually the installer seems robust. after idling for like at least 20m it's continuing to install 🤷‍♀️

maybe there'll be progress by the time i get home tn

[fresh comet]

congratulations!

[vernal token]

Thanks Higher!

[worthy loom]

where can I find a generalized conic introduction

[terse comet]

congrats!!! that's a great uni ❤️

[craggy parcel]

congrats!

[vernal token]

Thanks Dani!

[vernal token]

Thanks!

I still have to wait a bit for institutional access, Springer doesn't recognize my Uni-ID yet

[ocean robin]

congrats omg!!

[craggy parcel]

hi tabby

[vernal token]

Thanks

[ocean robin]

of course!!

[ocean robin]

hi esca!!

[pure hollow]

Congrats kepe

[vernal token]

Thanks Convergence

[errant zenith]

Keep me updated please

So you flashed the new usb right and launched Linux page and started installing

And you were able to correctly select the 128 flash drive as your installation disk

It’s normal to take some time

[near burrow]

Look who's here

Hi tabby +1

@fresh comet yo

[fresh comet]

[craggy parcel]

hi astro

[near burrow]

Howdy

[near burrow]

Hru esca

[craggy parcel]

im good wbu

[near burrow]

I'm gr8

[craggy parcel]

nice

[vital niche]

hi guys

[cursive fossil]

what's up

[hollow bane]

Visited UPenn

[ocean robin]

sorry for the late response i was in class

[hollow bane]

Hi Tabboid

[ocean robin]

hi axkyn!

[neat lintel]

Congrats!

[vernal token]

Thanks!

[craggy parcel]

nice

[tender heron]

Ooo a fire at the lab

[teal sedge]

hi slow chat

[loud hamlet]

How to get in mathematics voice chat. I can't bare doing mathematics problems without someone watching me for some reason, I just feel so lonely without somebody. Anyone know voice chats for mathematics? How to get in the one on here?

[limber thunder]

we removed public voice channels here long ago because they were essentially impossible to moderate #changelog message

we do have voice channels for people with the Active and other roles

[loud hamlet]

How many texts would I have to send to get the Active role? What other roles are possible to get?

[mint canopy]

There is not a specific number of messages, and definitely not one that we share publicly. If you participate in this server in a constructive way it will happen relatively quickly. I don't think you should be concerned with other roles yet.

[pliant breach]

where can I send a funny joke about category theory?

not a meme

[latent edge]

#chill

[limber thunder]

yep

you have embed perms there

[limber thunder]

by "other roles" I really meant other roles that do have their own VC but these are for long-standing members of the servers, really

even then the active VC channel is really just the VC for a minecraft server in theory

[errant zenith]

Meow

[ocean robin]

mrow

[loud hamlet]

meoooooooow ow

[ocean robin]

[latent edge]

Meow

[ocean robin]

mrrp

[ocean harbor]

[neon garnet]

reformatting the destination drive ended up important for progress to emerge 🤷‍♀️

[errant zenith]

I see

Did it complete installing?

[neon garnet]

yepp

[neon garnet]

not yet!

i did get it installed once, except the bootloader worked poorly, so i started a reinstall

[errant zenith]

But i figured the Linux Installer would format it automatically when installing

[neon garnet]

this time with an additional partition for the bootloader

[errant zenith]

O okay its installing now?

[neon garnet]

it tried tbr

except i think due to some like mounting issues or something the installer wouldnt vibe with the destination drive's partition table

atp i decided to reformat rather than unmount

[errant zenith]

oh yeah u can manually edit the partition in the installer

[neon garnet]

i also memorized a number

nearly ig
125dcaf7-33fd-3259-8696-35fa0c890dfa

[errant zenith]

why did you memorize that 😭

thats a uuid]

[neon garnet]

151dcaf7 and 4329 not 3259
close

ig it was fresher in my memory earlier

[errant zenith]

very close

[neon garnet]

i tried to use the install i did at first and thats where it became important to set the root when unconfusing the bootloader or whatever tbr

so i typed it a few times

[errant zenith]

o i see

wyd while waitiig

how are you and how was your day

[neon garnet]

well, the install finished ^^

now for testing!

[errant zenith]

ooo okay okay good luck!

[neon garnet]

well, it booted directly into windows!

[errant zenith]

did u remove the installation medium

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

o okay

do u know how to access ur laptops bios

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

okay u can go there and tell it to boot to ubuntu loader instaed

and i think the linux boot menu will also g gve u the option to boot to windows instead on launch

[neon garnet]

the issue i think lies with the bootloader or smth

rather than the boot sequence

[errant zenith]

yeah

u need to select the ubuntu loader as ur first priority bootloader

it was called like ubuntu loader or something like that i forgbot

did you find it in your bios?

[neon garnet]

i have mine selecting usb hard disk i think

eufi or smth

uefi

[errant zenith]

oky i dont think thats what you need to change

[neon garnet]

yep

[errant zenith]

Do u have anything that’s like drive boot priorities

Or bios boot specification (bbs)

[neon garnet]

um

idk

yes but idt its the boot order

[errant zenith]

Yes

It’s not

What’s ur laptop

[neon garnet]

okay im not sure tbr

one moment

[errant zenith]

Okay

If u can’t figure it out send photo of ur boot settings and i can check

[neon garnet]

phew. okay it boots seamlessly now.

[neon garnet]

it feels unacceptably slow, so i will probably reinstall on the internal drive.

[twin flicker]

damn 95% dark chocolate is kinda bitter

[neon garnet]

i put it on a thumbdrive 😭

im like, well, tomorrow, i will figure it out for the internal install. i felt worried about adding another partition to my internal drive. ive learned a lot about this now so it'll probably be fine for tomorrow

3.1

i thought itd be faster too 🤷‍♀️

it's too slow for me tho tbr. if i move too fast then the system lags. it's slow for opening apps. not a good fit for me.

file explorer raised "not reponding" like 3 times and really it wanted more time. and firefox

working; too slow

mhm valid. well, i learned

wow i sure did learn

anyway, this

[umbral forge]

Anything above 85 is so hard to eat imo

70-80 is the best range

[latent edge]

also me casually eating 95%

[steel vessel]

hi

[north topaz]

@thin relic yeah they're not quite circular

[thin relic]

claiming someone is a liar because they have a history of being a liar is a fine inductive argument, its not even almost circular

its just inductive evidence

[north topaz]

ok fair point

[thin relic]

stupid video

[north topaz]

I was in a hurry when I sent that okay

[thin relic]

i forgive you, this time

[north topaz]

@stuck shoal apologies, the video doesn't actually give examples that are actually circular reasoning

[thin relic]

except the Bible example

[north topaz]

this is what circular reasoning actually is

like when you said that sec^2 t = 1 + tan^2 t

you said that was true because sec^2 t = 1 + tan^2 t

because you started with (sin^2 t + cos^2 t)/cos^2 t = 1 + tan^2 t, which is a manipulation of sec^2 t = 1 + tan^2 t

[stuck shoal]

hm

[honest kite]

no way bro modeled an autism reasoning with a parametric equation

[stuck shoal]

lol

[velvet dagger]

It's hard to do much trigonometry without circular reasoning tbh @north topaz

[north topaz]

I know what you mean, but the way to go around this is to clearly state what your givens and aims are

[limber thunder]

(teaching highschoolers) so anyway the sine function is defined by this power series,

[velvet dagger]

Wait are you sure you know what I mean?

I was making a pun

[north topaz]

oh fuck

[limber thunder]

how did i not notice

[north topaz]

OHHH

[north topaz]

yeah I thought you were talking about this...

[velvet dagger]

[north topaz]

someone posted ts in another circle

well, server

and all that plays in my head is Monkeys Spinning Monkeys by Kevin McLeod

[velvet dagger]

I will say the unpunned version of that does stand when you try to think about how to define trigonometric stuff in an analytic setting

Mostly because it's kinda dicey how you can completely rigorously define angle early on in analysis

[limber thunder]

that was kinda my first thought

[velvet dagger]

If you just really delay any talk about trigonometry for a hot minute

Then I think a moderately convincing approach would be

[north topaz]

wasn't there a set of rigorous notes that covered this

[velvet dagger]

Talk about calculus of functions R->R^n instead of just R->R (since there's not much added complexity if the codomain becomes multiple variables), mainly necessitates some chit chat about vectors and whatnot instead of full blown linear algebra

[north topaz]

how to rigorously do school maths

[velvet dagger]

And then show students that e^{it} has parametrizes the unit circle with unit speed

This basically is the most convincing way I can think of to show, without referencing any trigonometric functions a priori, that t should be thought of as an angle parameter

Then you can say Re(e^{it}) = cos(t) and Im(e^{it}) = sin(t) and use the power series

Either that or discuss the ODE with motivation by simple harmonic motion or smth

[velvet dagger]

Maybe, I wouldn't know for sure

[north topaz]

I swear I saw it but I can't find it

[velvet dagger]

(Ofc you can just write down a power series but then there will of course be skepticism that it actually means anything until you connect it to complex exponentials)

[errant zenith]

Don’t erase it!

I do and it’s good

@neon garnet I think the thumb drive was bad then maybe

Did u try rebooting

[jagged forge]

#DownWithDami

[visual mesa]

fr

[errant zenith]

Yes but I don’t do anything that disk intensive

[golden moss]

Hey anyone into ai ,ml or cs related fields? I wanna know what maths I need for it given i know matrices,basic calculus already

[neon garnet]

atp i want it working and i have little extra time for more setbacks so i'm doing the fastest working option which is to install internally.

[errant zenith]

that it okay i guess temporarily i think the internal storage will be sufficient for now

you have like 100 or so gb available

make sure to install alongside windows option and not erase disk and install XD

[ocean robin]

has anyone else seen the maison margiela artisanal 2025 collection by glenn martens :o

or the robert wun collection?

[keen stirrup]

There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't. See, this joke is a clever intellectual quip on the nature of the base-2 system. Let's just say, your average Joe ain't getting this one, heh. Guess you could say that some joys are reserved for the most gifted like me.

[pastel blade]

are we getting cursed

[raven plaza]

There are 10 types of people:

• Those who ||know what binary numbers are||;
• Those who ||don't; Those who didn't expect this joke to be in ternary||

[old oak]

There are people.

[raven plaza]

There are polish owls

[old oak]

So I'm told

[honest kite]

ts is a knee slapper

[loud hamlet]

It can pose as an excuse for those presumptively coherent, I knew it.

[fast badge]

Just joined, love the joke

[hollow bronze]

ME FR

[latent edge]

@fast badge welcome to mathcord

[fast badge]

Thanx for a warm welcome

[hollow sleet]

Hellow

can anyone help me with solving some linear programming problems?

[alpine kindle]

this implies that people who didn't expect this to be in ternary neither know nor don't know what binary numbers are

[wild lantern]

I am the only person

[old oak]

Heck, same

[wild lantern]

Fake news!

[junior veldt]

solipsism moment

[wild lantern]

[old oak]

Sollipsists, unite!

||Dyslexics, untie!||

[wild lantern]

One of u is an owl the other is space or something?

Idk what pseudos pfp is

[old oak]

It's probably a category

[old oak]

Owls are people too!

[wild lantern]

True

[haughty panther]

https://tenor.com/view/false-persona-4-adachi-gif-8291619742761507310

[old oak]

As established by the celebrated work of philosophy, i.e. The Talos Principle, Frogs are people, so I don't see why Owls can't be

[haughty panther]

do you have a help thread/channel?

[haughty panther]

this game gave me trauma

[wet quarry]

hello outseider

[old oak]

The story or the puzzles?

[wet quarry]

do you play video games?

[junior veldt]

it's the helix nebula!

[haughty panther]

actually the game didn't, just some bad things happened around the time of my playthrough

puzzles were fire tho

[old oak]

They were!

[barren anchor]

puzzles gettin crazy these days. Outer wilds surprised the hell out of me, I thought legit games like that were straight up dead. Disco elysium and blue prince strong af too. Baba is you, same deal. I shall play the talos principlesz

[old oak]

Yep, all of those are great and The Talos Principle is well worth playing; part 1 got a remaster recently, so I recommend getting that

My other recommendations would be Return of the Obra Dinn and The Roottrees Are Dead

And this little gem: https://william-rous.itch.io/type-help

[wet quarry]

are puzzles fun?

[vast wraith]

i listened to this some time ago... https://open.spotify.com/episode/6wB4ZuOy6FGp6A34Z3Ufth

[old oak]

To some of us

Fun is an astoundingly subjective notion

[vast wraith]

there are probably mathematicians that generally dont enjoy puzzles

but i suspect they are in the minority

[wet quarry]

fr?

i thought most of the poeple studying maths do it for the moneyyyy

[vast wraith]

that is my suspicion, i dont know if its accurate

[wet quarry]

here comes the money

[vast wraith]

idk what money youre talking about

[old oak]

Are you feeling alright?

[barren anchor]

care to rank obra dinn vs talos principle vs the case of the golden idol?

[wet quarry]

its a song

[old oak]

I don't really do rankings, I feel it does the games a disservice to try to stack them on a simplistic one-dimensional scale. They're all of them well worth playing

[barren anchor]

yeah that's cool. I tend to be more good enough or not, a binary classification

I go against my own pattern there because I know underlying it is some kind of delta. Like how parks and rec is good but kimmy schmidt is not. Or how some clones of MOBAs have that second-tier feel with a bunch of djank which causes them to fall out of the category of good.

[vast wraith]

An elephant’s right to liberation from the Bronx Zoo shows that we’ve come a long way from Descartes’ concept of animal-as-machine. In this episode, Ellie and David break down an emerging question in animal rights activism: animal personhood and moral status. What does it mean to be a person? And, what are the implications of legally recognizing animals’ right to life and bodily freedom?

was certainly interesting

[barren anchor]

e.g. I agree, I don't rly rank either.

[wild lantern]

The helix nebula is cool looking

[junior veldt]

yeah!

[latent edge]

helix

as in the terminal editor

[ocean harbor]

[old oak]

I mean, sure, sometimes you can laregely say that one game is beter than other, especially if they're in the same genre, but I feel like Talos Principle and Obra Dinn have very little in common so it would be like trying to decide whether riding a bike was better than the helix nebula.

Even within the same genre and subgenre it's often fuzzy.

I prefer Path of Exile to Diablo 3 but I'm not going to say that one of the games is better than the other, because Diablo 3 does a lot of things much better than PoE, and is also laboring under the disadvantage of having been very prematurely abandoned by the developers.

And meanwhile PoE has a lot of reasons to legitimately not want to go anywhere near it

Diablo 4, on the other hand, is just bad

[barren anchor]

yeah I just feel like I've got variance, and you've got variance, in our estimations of "commendable", so most strongly commendable will have some delta with lesser commendation, even though qualitatively they both clear the bench for you. The variance that exists on my end might drop a 80% recommend to a 75% etc. Also I mean, the genre is unimportant because it's abstracted in the recommendation

like I would recommend a puzzle game for being a good puzzle game, and I would recommend a good rts for being a good rts, etc

I can still compare the strength of those recommendations

[old oak]

Also as I get older i increasingly rebel at the sheer idea of quantifying the fundamentally unquantifiable.

Statements like "80% recommend" just make less and less sense to me as I go on

[barren anchor]

like dead souls is to longform narrative fiction what Ocarina of Time is to adventure games

I don't see it as fundamentally unquantifiable either

say mean dopamine release delta over time, given that that type of game was selected

[zealous garden]

?

[barren anchor]

there we go, we've relativized it

yeah it's just strength of recommendation. Based on your model of the world, how sure you are of the thing having some intensity of impact

makes sense to me. I strongly recommend things which I think are certain to have a large impact. I less strongly recommend things which are uncertainly going to have a moderate or insubstantial impact.

[barren anchor]

it's pretty clear in context what I mean, so I'm not sure what your question is exactly.

[zealous garden]

No I don't think it is

Dark Souls doesn't have any clear impact on the wider landscape of long-form narratives as a whole as far as I can see

No my bad

Dead Souls

[barren anchor]

does this make it more clear?

I'm talking about a book called Dead Souls

but yeah you got it

I can understand the mistake, dark souls is definitely 100000% as likely to be noted

[zealous garden]

Well I don't know that book so then nvm

Gotcha makes much more sense now

I mean not really since now I don't know what's being referenced. But hypothetically this makes more sense

[barren anchor]

dark souls: narrative fiction?

[zealous garden]

Exactly my confusion

[barren anchor]

quite a bulky story on that one

"i'm hollow" "become a god."

[zealous garden]

I was also confused why you'd go with dead souls and not any of the many other fromsoft games with arguably more impact or polish

[old oak]

Dark Souls did popularize a kind of disjointed, elliptic narrative told mostly via snippets, fragments and impressions; for better or worse (mostly worse, because few imitators did it as well as Fromsoft)

[barren anchor]

they're just different kinds of games imo. Dead souls are my favorite by far. *hey I did it now!

dark souls are more linear. I'm fine with open world but not my preference generally for adventure games.

imo dark souls 1 is the best, then 3 then 2, theeeen elden ring gets involved

[zealous garden]

I've only beaten bloodborne

Only played bloodborne and elder ring

I've also played about 5 minutes of Kings Field

[old oak]

Elden ring is the only one of the Fromsoft catalogue I've genuinely enjoyed playing, and completed.

[barren anchor]

it definitely did, it's awesome. Ironically i think elden ring has the best story

the writing is outstanding and chill, worldbuilding the same

[zealous garden]

I enjoyed it but have not completed it

[barren anchor]

less opaque than ds1 & 2 for sure

[zealous garden]

Been a while since I played

[barren anchor]

me too. I must return to the Erdtree

the deuce fingers must inspire me

[raw narwhal]

hi

[willow crystal]

It's pretty neat that FromSoftware did something new with elden ring, mainly the open-world part compared to the other soulsborne games they made

[barren anchor]

I think polygon called it a staggering achievement and I'm inclined to agree

dungeons and bosses still feel like they did in dark souls, but the overall claustrophobia of progression is ameliorated by the format

like if you get hitched on a hard boss you can just bounce and do something else for a bit

[old oak]

What I liked the most about Elden Ring was the flexibility, not only in where to go, but also in how to build your character (including the ability to respec)

The spirit ash system was also great, purists be damned

[barren anchor]

yes and blessed be moonveil katana

thank u ez mode

[old oak]

I played almost exclusively sorceries on my first playthrough

[barren anchor]

didn't think From had the heart

purists can fuck right off

[old oak]

Pre-nerf final DLC boss can also fuck right off, however.

[willow crystal]

This is why I kinda like PoE despite the sheer complexity of it

[old oak]

I did beat him eventually but there was no glory in it

[barren anchor]

I did not even mess with the DLC because I heard they were hard

standard ER is difficult enough tyvm

[old oak]

Eh, you can cheese most of it just as much as the base game, but yeah, it is amped up somewhat.

Honestly the hardest thing about the DLC is the navigation

The areas are hugely vertical but vertical paths are very scarce

[barren anchor]

can you cheese it? I always liked the souls games because they're uncheesable

[willow crystal]

Tbf having a bleed build makes the base game quite easy

[barren anchor]

I'm sure there's methods out there, I didn't attempt to find them

I like the fact that you gotta learn the dance and there's no other way (ime)

[old oak]

I don't mean some kind of abuse of unintended mechanics, just that certain weapons/spells make certain bosses much easier.

[barren anchor]

like you need to learn every step of the fell omen's dance

[jagged forge]

i didn't play the dlc, but i spent so much time overleveling in base ER due to my own hesitance that by the time i finally fought the first boss it was a cakewalk

[old oak]

That was emphatically not my experience, the key to most of my victories was not to have to deal with many attacks at all

[barren anchor]

I mean I play the way the game is intended

[old oak]

So do I

[barren anchor]

e.g. lightweight dex build

[willow crystal]

I'm pretty sure you are supposed to explore first before encountering margit, I think most people struggled with him due to be underleveled

[old oak]

So I use the spirit ashes and weapons and spells provided to me by the game

[barren anchor]

rolls and parries, no shield

I roleplay a dancer basically

[jagged forge]

i think i won on the first or second try

the tree sentinel however... i spent an hour and a half on that guy

[barren anchor]

I remember when I discovered on the internet the viability of strength builds and was like wtf

[old oak]

I overlevelled massively, yeah

[barren anchor]

people like 1. poise 2. armor 3. damage reduction

[old oak]

Also the LOATHSOME DUNG EATER is an excellent tank.

[barren anchor]

that is like going deaf to me in an ocean of an orchestra

[barren anchor]

u can just walk past that guy

[willow crystal]

I just fleed tbh, couldn't be bothered

[old oak]

I like throwing conjured rocks at them from afar so they get staggered before they get anywhere nar me

[barren anchor]

yeah I gave it 20 minutes of trying and was like eh later

[jagged forge]

ya but i wanted to be a true warrior

then i changed my mind after that and ran around the map like a coward

[barren anchor]

that's like preferring being deaf to listen to an orchestra!!!!!

[old oak]

That's playing the game in the way I enjoy, purists be damned.

[jagged forge]

but i did beat him first

[barren anchor]

I appreciate that it's your preference but I hope you tried the other ways too

[willow crystal]

I really regretted going against pre-nerf radhan (the base one) too early though

[barren anchor]

lol I'm right there with you ofcourse

[old oak]

I will not let other people tell me how I should enjoy a game.

[barren anchor]

sure, sure. I tried all ways

before I settled on what felt right

[old oak]

I tried the dance thing and I hated it and it didn't feel right to me at all.

[barren anchor]

I've actually played both ways in previous souls games too it's good as well

[old oak]

Fun is hugely subjective, as I believe has already been stated today

[barren anchor]

I tried parrying a lot and I just couldn't get it happening in elden ring, despite that being my MO in dark souls 1 & 2

the absolutely optimal way to play (if you're an athlete) is imo max parrying and fallback to dodge as you must. I just don't have the skill for it

or like, I think that would be the most fun, if I could reliably do it

[jagged forge]

the optimal way to play must be like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8T2trUiiZY

[barren anchor]

and thus my subjectivity delivers me unto the roll

[willow crystal]

I think I like sekiro the most though but it is pretty inflexible since it forces you to actually become good with the mechanics of the game

[barren anchor]

yes this

I mean they all do that I think

[barren anchor]

even if that mechanic is from what distance do I nuke this guy with a spell

imo they should have offered some method of pulling off backstabs on bosses

[willow crystal]

Hmm, though in Sekiro you don't really get that (i'm not sure how to best explain it though)

Like you can get OP in elden ring through gear

[barren anchor]

you can on many, but you also cannot on many.

dark souls 2 / 3 were like backstab simulators

[old oak]

Yeah, I didn't get far into Sekiro at all because I felt that game wants you to play it in a very particular way, and it was a way that didn't resonate with me at all. I respect what they were going for, but I didn't enjoy it so I left it alone.

[barren anchor]

it was like playing skyrim as a stealthy archer

[old oak]

Elden Ring on the whole offers you a plethora of ways to approach problems, and that's what I liked so much about it.

If someone thinks I'm having fun wrong, well, they are entitled to their opinion of course.

[barren anchor]

nah it's a huge success imo

makes me realize I should play it again as a holy magic user

of course I agree they can have an opinion I guessssss

they can keep their wrong opinion

[willow crystal]

I mean it is your money and you bought it, so you can play the game whatever the way you want to which is how I see it

and you can just drop a game if you don't like it

[old oak]

I wouldn't really have had a compunction about using cheat engine in Sekiro, but I felt there wouldn't be much point

[barren anchor]

not a single gatekeeper rises to challenge this quorum

amazing

[old oak]

I use Cheat Engine in a lot of games, but in Sekiro combat is pretty much the appeal, so removing that wouldn't leave much else.

[barren anchor]

I'm honestly super happy about it but it's even still too hard

[jagged forge]

it's like when the uno creators said u cant stack draw fours, and everyone on the internet collectively bullied them

[old oak]

In Elden Ring I didn't need to use Cheat Engine, because there were plenty of unfair tricks available, and ways to powerlevel

[barren anchor]

poor 10 year olds. A decade ago they could play devil may cry, but now it's like no difficulty settings it's soulsbourne like life itself

true true, they can get through it

[old oak]

I'm a big fan of difficulty settings in games; I'm not going to get mad at a game that doesn't offer them, but I prefer it when they're there.

[barren anchor]

still feels like why tax 5 hours of grinding to substitute get goodness

[old oak]

Also I feel Elden Ring does offer you difficulty settings since you can play a wretch with no summons, or you can take full advantage of the tools the game gives you

And you'll have a vastly different level of challenge depending on the approach

[barren anchor]

I can't comprehend why they wouldn't be there. People like different things out of the same games. Elden ring is also probably the best-looking game I've ever seen and has a fascinating world.

I could dump 20 or 30 hours into that when I was like 8 just looking around

[jagged forge]

my sister thinks elden ring looks bad 😭

[wet quarry]

you paly elden ring?

yooo o

[old oak]

I consider Elden Ring one of the most beautiful games I've ever played.

[barren anchor]

smh opinions allowed

she wrong though

[willow crystal]

it reminds me of dumping a lot of hours into skyrim, oblivion and morrowind

[wet quarry]

outsider i didnt know you were goated with the sauce

[jagged forge]

i was about to say that. it's drop dead gorgeous

[barren anchor]

it blows my god damned mind

[barren anchor]

me too, me too. Exactly like that

[jagged forge]

i think if you look closely at some of the textures it looks kind of gravely or smth idk

[barren anchor]

those were nice because the worlds were not uniformly intrinsically hostile, too

elden ring, 90% of mobs wanna fight

[jagged forge]

i kind of see what she means but also like. there's so many places in elden ring with amazing, polished, picturesque views

[wet quarry]

anyone ever heard of even convergence of a functionseries (folge in german)

[willow crystal]

right yeah that too, most parts weren't always hostile in elder scrolls games

[wet quarry]

like the better convergence of pointwise convergence?

how can i think of that

[jagged forge]

yup there's many different kinds of convergence, i think the first one you learn about after pointwise is probably uniform convergence

in a real analysis class

[wet quarry]

yes

[barren anchor]

nah they are nuts. I spent fully an hour just looking at the grass on the road by the elevator to the plateau and another full hour just looking at the ray tracing in the pools by the sofrel /aainsel rivers

[wet quarry]

thats crazy levels of appreciation

i just watched a vid on how to speedrun the game

[willow crystal]

I guess it depends on what your sister likes in video games?

[barren anchor]

elden ring on max is definitely the best looking game I've ever seen. It's got both technical beauty and artistic beauty.

[wet quarry]

ever played ds3?

irithyll and anor londo is so beatiful

[barren anchor]

that I have, I enjoyed it and thought it was beautiful too, particularly irithyll

[willow crystal]

The bosses were pretty great too especially fighting gael

[old oak]

My favourite thing about Elden Ring is that it's a bleak and melancholic world, but it's bleak in a beautiful and colourful way. So many other games conflate "bleak" with "drab, brown and gray"

[jagged forge]

the underground place with the stars is so beautiful

[willow crystal]

Bloodborne is probably my favourite though

[barren anchor]

yeah DS3 slapped hard AF. Hard for me to rank 1 and 3.

[barren anchor]

quake 2 😏

[jagged forge]

like this was just amazing

[barren anchor]

it's wonderful what they did there.

[old oak]

Yeah, absolutely stunning

[barren anchor]

this is exactly what I was thinking of

there are pools on the ground in which you can see the reflections of the sky

or whatever it is. The cavern roof?

[old oak]

I also loved the entrance to Leyndell, and the red and blue flower zones in the DLC

And the valley of fingers 🤘

[barren anchor]

yeah it's really good. First getting up on the plateau is so rewarding

beautiful field, huge city, also what's this? starbeast?

asteroid creature

such vibes

[old oak]

I also liked that the game lets you just flat out skip an entire dungeon and teleport straight to the boss if you do a few sidequests

I only did the actual Volcano Manor on NG+

[barren anchor]

I'm glad I didn't skip that because snake fight face reveal left me gagging

[old oak]

I didn't skip the boss, just the dungeon

If you do their sidequests they just open the door to him

[barren anchor]

ohhhh yeah I did that too whoops

I thought you meant maybe the manor was the dungeon

I didn't fully understand volcano manor

[old oak]

I mean, the dungeon is also referred to as Volcano Manor, I believe

[barren anchor]

I just talked to people occassionally and then they were like cleared for snake fight

[old oak]

Yep

[barren anchor]

oh. But solving it is just talking to people a few times?

and then they teleport you to fight the snake man

[old oak]

Yes, but you can alternatively ignore the quests, break a wall and get to the boss the old-fashioned way

[barren anchor]

word. I'm trying to recall the quest - I think it was like, go up the hill and fight some fire monks?

[latent edge]

Elden Ring type shit

[old oak]

Via an entire dungeon in the usual fashion

[old oak]

It was a series of assassination quests basically, three of them I think

[barren anchor]

ahhh yesss

right right right

[willow crystal]

irrc, the snake boss fight was a gimmick fight?

with that spear

[barren anchor]

volcano manor was the assassin leader guy

[old oak]

Well, an assassin leader guy

[barren anchor]

I only recall person with whip

red whip person who needs murdered

in snow

[old oak]

Varre has an assasination thing going on as well

[barren anchor]

i googled varre and I don't think I said more than like, a word to that guy.

they are at the very beginning and then I dropped em

[old oak]

He gets you a shortcut to the best powerleveling spots in the game, if you do his quests

[barren anchor]

no need to power level it's a fair game imo

I am gonna have to play it again, it's just so huge

make different choices this time

girl at castle mourn :/

how do I prevent spoilies

||this|| ?

[twilit mason]

Is there a place here to discuss mathematical philosophy here?

As in like Frege, Wittgenstein, Russel pr Carnap

[barren anchor]

||yeah. when she was like "please, save my brother form the castle", I was like "maybe later". Then when I returned to handle that, she was dead||

[twilit mason]

Sorry to barge in

[old oak]

||I don't think she can be saved whatever you do||

[barren anchor]

but yeah that game slaps crazy with actually impactful storytelling.

[old oak]

It's a Fromsoft game, most of the characters are doomed regardless of your actions

[barren anchor]

it's beautiful though the way it hit me. I'm certain the designers must have been like "if they walk away, they'll blame themselves, hahahaha!"

[old oak]

There's that sorcerer who really wants to get into the magic academy, guest what happens if you get him a key (which takes quite some effort to obtain)

[barren anchor]

ohhhh yeah I remember that shady creep. I did not aid them

||what happens?||

[old oak]

||You find him dead at one of the desks||

[barren anchor]

||fire||

||story told||

||impact was had||

[old oak]

#math-discussion possibly, or indeed one of the discussion channels if they aren't busy discussing video games for children

[twilit mason]

Oh, thank you!

[hollow bane]

Hate to break it to you

[old oak]

I'm old enough to be in touch with my inner child.

[wet quarry]

how old are you?

its still a mystery to me

everyone seems to know how old you are

[hollow bane]

I do

The owl is cool

[old oak]

I've never been cool and I'm not prepared to start now

[hollow bane]

Well you do alg geo and that’s good enough

[jagged pendant]

been so long since I've last seen ally, where'd she go

she left the server again??? 😭

[jagged forge]

yup

[old oak]

Wait, what? I don't go anywhere near alg geo; my areas of interest are analysis-adjacent.

[old oak]

That's why I'm back in this channel

[jagged pendant]

do you know why?

[hollow bane]

Wait what

[jagged forge]

nope

[jagged pendant]

That's mean, outsider

[hollow bane]

I thought you did alg geo

[jagged forge]

slander!

[hollow bane]

Eh well at least you do topology

Topology peak

So

[old oak]

The strikethrough indicated it wasn't serious remark (but also admittedly, when Ally was here, this was very much "Ally chats to her friends" channel so I didn't participate)

[hollow bane]

Now it’s like “the owl den”

[jagged pendant]

Idk

you could've been her friend when u had the chance

now she left

[hollow bane]

She’ll join back

[jagged pendant]

she left forever

[old oak]

I was fine and so was she, there are other channels in this discord.

[jagged pendant]

😔

[jagged pendant]

wdym by that?

[old oak]

I mean while she was here, this channel was centered around her and I didn't mind that, I just didn't participate in that.

[jagged pendant]

eh

it's not like she was here 24/7

[old oak]

Now it's quieter so I occasionally pop in again.

[hollow bane]

Honorable longer?

Lounge*

[jagged pendant]

plus this channel is dead most of the time

[old oak]

#real-complex-analysis , #advanced-analysis , #point-set-topology ...

[hollow bane]

Help me with analysis and topology pls

[old oak]

Yep, I'm old and I can't keep up with the fast pace, that's why I have #discussion permanently muted.

[hollow bane]

I wanan start a blog using obsidian

[hollow bane]

You could like perma study for like 5 yrs straight…. But that would ruin discussy 2

[old oak]

If you ask questions in the channels that match my expertise, I'm very likely to answer.

[hollow bane]

Real and complex analysis, topology

[jagged pendant]

Ahhh that's why I don't see u there

[hollow bane]

Oh shit

Yoooo

[hollow bane]

Probably a good thing

[jagged pendant]

Why?

Outsider doesn't seem so bad

[hollow bane]

Because discussy is brain rotted

[jagged pendant]

I agree

[hollow bane]

And outsider shouldn’t go on there

I go on there

As im a immature lil boy

[jagged pendant]

I'd say that's why this channel is ally's fav too

WAS

cause she left

[hollow bane]

So is @willow crystal

[jagged pendant]

Yeah we know that

[hollow bane]

Discussy 2 is marginally better

[willow crystal]

[hollow bane]

How old are you

[jagged pendant]

Bro got dragged for no reason

[jagged pendant]

2 years older than you, puny little human

[hollow bane]

He’s a immature lil boy

[jagged forge]

guardian owl of the analysis channels fr

[hollow bane]

doing the same math

[jagged pendant]

Not really

[willow crystal]

sounds like an elden ring boss fight now

[hollow bane]

Actually all you guys are older

[jagged pendant]

what math do you do?

[hollow bane]

Analysis

Starting point set topology after

[jagged pendant]

yeah ur just smol

[hollow bane]

Stfu

[jagged pendant]

oooh incheresting

[old oak]

Yep, I read those quite consistently

[jagged pendant]

good luck

[hollow bane]

gonna see you a lot

What do you study joeller

[hollow bane]

Can you help me with obsidian? The website for blogs or some shit

[old oak]

I don't think I can

[hollow bane]

Latex?

[old oak]

I don't guardian anything, I'm much nicer there than I am in the discussion channels.

[hollow bane]

#『meta-discussion』 I felt you were the most unhinged

[old oak]

Thank you!

[hollow bane]

lol

Outsider where do you teach again

Like UPenn?

[jagged pendant]

hmm

[jagged forge]

hogwarts

[jagged pendant]

just realized

im not taking much math next year

[old oak]

I'm not going to doxx myself more than I already have; but it's a university somewhere in Poland.

[jagged pendant]

oh nice

I love poland

[hollow bane]

Okay sorry for forcing a minor fox

Dox*

[jagged pendant]

Though polish is VERY hard

[hollow bane]

Oh shit hopefully arki doesn’t ban

[jagged pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-let-me-in-clawing-at-door-knocking-at-door-waiting-at-door-gif-10636413725109957056

[old oak]

You didn't force anything, the fact that I'm in my 40s and in Poland is something I've been fairly open about.

I'm just hoping not to be more specific than that

[jagged forge]

he’s also an owl

oops

[old oak]

Also that

[hollow bane]

Not gonna ask any more

[old oak]

They did offer but I wasn't transphobic enough

[jagged pendant]

I wonder how many 40 year old owls who live in Poland and teach in universities are there?

[hollow bane]

Actually I kinda need some recommendations (joke)

[old oak]

You'd be amazed

[hollow bane]

probably a lot

[jagged forge]

dang i want an owl for a professor. poland sounds like a mystical place

[old oak]

Looking forward to it!

[astral stirrup]

@granite scaffold

[granite scaffold]

?

[velvet dagger]

He was just spam pinging you for some reason. Has been timed out now

[granite scaffold]

Thank you

[restive salmon]

!cats

here too

rip

[shrewd loom]

!ducks

[quasi jetty]

[shrewd loom]

YAY

[tender heron]

Did you do this? We never had ducks didn't we?

[neat lintel]

we did

[tender heron]

Ohh, i thought we didn't

Cuz I remember someone trying a lot of em and some didn't work. Maybe it was

!cats

[quasi jetty]

[tender heron]

No we have cats

Nvm

[cobalt cliff]

So, can anyone explain to me why

$\sqrt4 = 2$

[fathom swallow]

Blake

[cobalt cliff]

but

$\sqrt4 = +/-2$

[fathom swallow]

Blake

[cobalt cliff]

Is not right?

You square 2, you get 4. You square -2, you get 4.

You take the square root of 4, it's always just positive 2.
I remember in high school one of the teachers who taught AP Calc said that it was just positive 2. I can't remember the explanation exactly, but I wasn't satisfied.

[twin flicker]

a function cant have 2 outputs for an input

otherwise its not a function

[cobalt cliff]

So why choose 2 over -2?

Just convention?

[twin flicker]

either would be a valid function

but i believe its the principle root

or something

principal

[cobalt cliff]

What is principal root?

[twin flicker]

non neg square root

[twin flicker]

u know that x^2 doesnt have an inverse right

because its not bijective

[cobalt cliff]

What is bijective...

that's true

[twin flicker]

one to one and onto

[cobalt cliff]

root is just ^1/2

[twin flicker]

so to define the inverse you have to restrict to domain

the domain*

for square root function you restrict to the non negative part

which gives you non negative outputs

[cobalt cliff]

It's over my head, I guess

[twilit cipher]

yo what would the domain of a negative base exponential function be

I learned how a positive base exponential function works

but not how a negative base exponential function works

[twin flicker]

like (-2)^x?

[twilit cipher]

yeah

[twin flicker]

cause u would get a fuck ton of discontinuities

let me open up desmos for u

1 sec

[twilit cipher]

Wait if its the base thats negative does it have to be paranthesised

bc

(-2)^2

[twin flicker]

yes

[twilit cipher]

is different

than -2^2

[twin flicker]

cause -2^2 is not the same as (-2)^2

[twilit cipher]

oh

then

theres nothing

I already tried

graphing it

[solar nebula]

tldr is you can't really pull values of a from R, but you could step up to C, do some complex analysis magic (analytically continue ln and then the power series for a^x), then use that over R to get values

[twin flicker]

oh acc its not R

i was thinking abt integers

mb

[twilit cipher]

what is tldr

[solar nebula]

but it will not map to R, it'll have many complex values

[twin flicker]

too long didnt read

[solar nebula]

yeah i wrote a whole sketch of the continuation but it got way too complicated 💀

[twin flicker]

it works for integers but gets weird for R

[solar nebula]

the domain is at least $\mathbb{Z}$, since integer exponents are easier to work with. Considering $\mathbb{Q}$, something like $(-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} "=" \sqrt{-1}$ which is of course not defined in $\mathbb{R}$. But you could define $(-1)^{\frac{1}{3}} = \sqrt[3]{-1} = -1$, so considering $\mathbb{R}$ is very difficult. I think you could construct a piecewise definition, but.. ehh doesn't seem helpful.

is what i wrote

[twin flicker]

https://angeloyeo.github.io/2019/09/12/negative_base_exponential_en.html i found this article on it

[solar nebula]

and then irrational numbers, you can't use the power series without stepping into C

[fresh comet]

@twilit cipher welcome to the mathcord!

[solar nebula]

hi(gher) [^-^]

[twilit cipher]

what is mathcord

who is higher

[solar nebula]

thats so cute i love it

higher is that person ^ and the mathcord is this server (math discord) :)

[twilit cipher]

oh hi

[solar nebula]

-# sorry bad habit

[vast wraith]

and im bob

https://tenor.com/view/proud-alexis-rose-alexis-annie-murphy-schitts-creek-gif-20766308

[solar nebula]

whats your name B-O-B so they calling you bobbbbb?

[twilit cipher]

wait so what would i say is the domain?

[fathom swallow]

haseeb

[solar nebula]

uhh... probably Z

oops that sent again

[twilit cipher]

what is Z...

i have never heard of Z

[fossil bronze]

STOP PLAYING YOU KNWO THAT IM KNOWN FOR THE BOB

[solar nebula]

oops sorry, Z refers to the integers (after the German word zahlen)

[twilit cipher]

whats another way of saying Z

I dont think I ever learned that

just say integers?

[solar nebula]

fair enough, you can just say "integers"

[twin flicker]

formally Z is the set of integers

iirc