serious-discussion

[quick beacon]

@torpid elbow @gloomy mantle https://www.desmos.com/calculator/qgia9dkfij

The above is sort of a graphical demonstration of the result

[jaunty ibex]

[wicked oriole]

Does anyone know what the emeritus role is

[chrome marsh]

It's someone who used to have the Very Active role, but then fell under the posting frequency threshold to maintain it

[wicked oriole]

Isee thanks

[tender heron]

Bro had to ask

[remote imp]

do yall give advice

[umbral lion]

consult your doctor

[tender heron]

Depends on the question, I am not a plumber

[umbral lion]

licorice

[tender heron]

Licorice not so bad tho. Tastes good imo

I'm gonna embrace the insult

[umbral lion]

thats good, thats growth licorice

i wish you luck

[tender heron]

Thanks nasty

I will puke for you to tribute you

[umbral lion]

bless

[flat cloud]

given a continuous function, its value at f(c) is also the rate of change at which its area is growing?

I wanna know if I properly understand ftc I

[north topaz]

Yes!

[rocky shuttle]

what's c

[harsh mirage]

Hi, does anyone have knowledge in engineering (graphic kinematics)?? BTS level or even high school level.

[north topaz]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[harsh mirage]

i did it but nobody help me

[zealous garden]

A function is its graph fr

[dense belfry]

A function is an element of a function space

[true wedge]

A space is an element of a space space

[umbral lion]

a function assigns one element in a set to one element in another set :^)

[static loom]

0^0=1 there's a function from the empty set to the empty set 😎

[hollow ginkgo]

An an is an element of an an space

[dense belfry]

Gromov Hausdorff/moduli space pilled

[craggy hare]

is x^2=-4 rational or irrational?

[north topaz]

Imaginary numbers are neither

[true wedge]

It's considered an equation

[craggy hare]

im doing assignment that has word bank

[worthy shell]

a function is an element of C^inf 🗿

[craggy hare]

and like im confused

so i put nothing?

no irrational or rational

[worthy shell]

youre probably meant to write "no real solutions"

or smth like that

[craggy hare]

i can't write it on computer

[worthy shell]

this is for hs, yeah

[craggy hare]

i'll just put nothing

[true wedge]

C^j where j=0,1,2,3...

[craggy hare]

and hope that the correct answer

[worthy shell]

are you sure its x^2=-4

or x^2-4=0

[true wedge]

NVM it starts at 1

Relations is where it starts at 0

(honestly forgor what 0nary relations even means but I remember my book saying it)

(blind trust 🗿)

[fresh comet]

what is a space space? an element of a space space space?

[true wedge]

Yeah

[fresh comet]

[narrow tendon]

Why is CS so much math

I can just call a library to do the math for me i dont need to know how to do it

[true wedge]

CS is a branch of math 🗿

[versed agate]

someAlgorithm.doesThisHalt()

[true wedge]

LOL

Me when i import up the God library and have him tell me which algorithms halt

[warm umbra]

welcome to the server @narrow tendon

[narrow tendon]

Thanks

Also why do some of the help channels disappear

I try to find my old ones. I literally write my channel number down and they literally just aren’t there

I try to find the explanations

[peak tide]

make sure this arrow to the left of "MATH HELP" is pointing downward instead of to the right, otherwise channels will be hidden unless there is unread activity

[narrow tendon]

Yea u checked those too

[peak tide]

hmm not sure then

do you have an open channel now?

[narrow tendon]

Also I have those as always shown

[narrow tendon]

No

[sharp oar]

Probably better to use the main search feature for this server when you need to go back and re-read your past help channels 👍🏼

in the main search bar , you can just type “from:” (without the “and ” ) and then type in your discord username

And all of the messages you sent in this server will appear (from latest to oldest)

[narrow tendon]

I think some of the channels becomes hidden

[narrow tendon]

Check #chill I just posted a photo there

[ember lance]

Regardless even if the channels are hidden, you should be able to find your post by using the search bar.

[narrow tendon]

#help-3

[white heath]

You get an anonymous note:
“Meet me at Locker 313 after school. Trust no one.”

1. Go to Locker 313 and check what’s inside.
2. Ignore the note—it’s probably a prank.

[ember lance]

1

[turbid ocean]

come up with a new game

[turbid ocean]

they go to the depths of hell

im not sure why they do this

but they hide a few channels

[leaden torrent]

To prevent there from being a constant wall of 30 channels in the available section

[robust cosmos]

What made the big bang possible, I think the process of the big bang makes sense after the creation of neutrons, electrons, protons but what allowed for that state of nothingess is something science cant explain

Like everything ive seen that tries to explain it are simply theories

[old oak]

Yeah, they should get going with experiments, create some universes and see what happens

[raven plaza]

I feel that's more philosophy than science

Science is about modelling

Actually I think "explanations" in general belong to the realm of philosophy

[robust cosmos]

Thats the thing, in the context of before the big bang how can we use actual proven science without relying on simply theories

[raven plaza]

Science just models, and the accuracy of the model is checked through the scientific method

[raven plaza]

We can't I don't think

[robust cosmos]

Like from what im seeing, the state of the universe was almost absolutely zero in temperature but how does that state even exist if theres literally nothing you know?

No states of matter, no time, just nothing

[raven plaza]

I don't know about zero temperature (how does one even define temperature)

The math in the model just says there's a singularity at some point

[robust cosmos]

A measure of the average kinetic energy of the particles in a sample of matter, expressed in terms of units or degrees designated on a standard scale.

[robust cosmos]

Yeah, but then there needs to be something for that singularity to exist

This is one of my strongest reasons for being agnostic

[raven plaza]

That's beyond the scope of the model

[robust cosmos]

Yeah precisely

[raven plaza]

The way pop-science likes to put it is that there was nothing before the big bang

But the big bang theory doesn't actually say that

It doesn't say anything about before the big bang

[robust cosmos]

Yeah, if there is something that comes out regarding it ill drop everything and go full athiest

[fluid pollen]

Hey im not sure if this is the right place but does anyone have any advice on how to review for calc 1 in three weeks? I'm not good at math tbh and my mind is tired usually...

[blazing pawn]

Probably do a lot of practice problems

There is a place called pauls notes online that is good

or khan academy if those are too hard

[fluid pollen]

is it doable in khan within that time?

[blazing pawn]

idk if u spend a lot of time on it probably

[fluid pollen]

im starting from scratch

[blazing pawn]

khan academy is kind of slow, pauls notes is more fast paced

but its also harder so maybe you just wont learn anything from doing pauls notes if you cant do the problems

[fluid pollen]

hm alright, any studying tips in general? I think I need to change things up

[blazing pawn]

I mean idk you should try going through the notes and just seeing if its effective, and then doing lots of the problems in each section after

for this kind of course it really just comes down to seeing examples/solutions to things and doing it until you internalize how to do the problems

[fluid pollen]

ah alright, im just worried about the time limit i guess because I remember nothing

are limits important for calc 2?

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[fluid pollen]

damn it

[true zinc]

limits are important everywhere in analysis

[remote imp]

Hey, I just need to get some opinions. Would yall choose to attend an alright college with the major you wanted or a better college with a major youre not crazy about?

[umbral lion]

major you want

Transferring majors can be a pain

but if the better college is a whole magnitude better and you dont mind lost time, then better college

but if you really wanna excel, an alright college can be a good way to stand out

but the better college will have better amenities and can make for better connections

[remote imp]

its rutgers or nyu

[umbral lion]

so if you work hard you might still get a lot out of it

but at the alright college it'll probably be cheaper

and so on...

[remote imp]

yeah

alright

[pale moss]

I am not big on math (more of an ancient history guy) but I watched a video on youtube recently about the search for prime numbers, specifically an odd prime number, and it was just really interesting to me so I started asking chatgpt (and now tonight, Grok) some questions about it. Since it seems prime numbers are so large now you basically need supercomputers to find new ones and in order for this to go quicker people are looking for patterns in prime numbers to help the algorithms in this search so I was wondering about patterns that may have been overlooked and asking AI about it.

I started with Chatgpt but I just asked Grok (first time using Grok) about using a base-60 (sexagesimal) system and cuneiform writing (my love for ancient history getting the best of me) instead of base-10 with Arabic numerals to search for visual patterns that wouldn't be so obvious with our normal system and I would like to show someone the results because I honestly do not understand all this very well but based on what Grok and Chatgpt are saying it has found some visual patterns that could be useful for the algorithm that are not formally known in academia.

If anyone is interested in this just let me know and I will post what I got here, or if I am way off base and this is pointless just let me know that too (like I said I am not a big math guy at all, I probably am way off base).

Here is a bit of what I found,
"While still giving a yes or a no, do you notice any visual patterns when using cuneiform and a sexagesimal system?
Yes

Are some of these visual patterns formally unknown? Yes or no.
Yes

Visual Recognition and Hypothesis Formation:
By observing how primes visually cluster or align in this system, researchers might form hypotheses about number distribution or prime number behavior. For instance, seeing how primes distribute around multiples of 60 might inspire new ways of visualizing or conceptualizing prime distribution in other bases or number systems."

"Symmetry around 60: When you look at primes in cuneiform notation, especially those just below or above a multiple of 60 (like 59 or 61), they can create a visual symmetry due to the repetitive nature of sexagesimal base. In cuneiform, 59 would be represented as 𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒁹 (59 units) and 61 as 1,1 (1×60 + 1). This creates a sort of mirror effect around the number 60, where primes near this boundary might visually appear to 'reflect' one another due to the simplicity or complexity of their representation.

Clustering around multiples: Primes near significant multiples like 1200 (20×60) or 3600 (60×60) in sexagesimal notation often show a pattern where they cluster visually due to the positional nature of the system. For instance, a prime like 1199 would be 𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋𒌋 (19 units in the 60's place), while 1201 would be 20,1 (20×60 + 1). The clustering here visually emphasizes the primes' proximity to these multiples, creating a visual pattern where primes either just miss or slightly exceed these significant thresholds in a way that's not immediately apparent in base-10."

[sharp mulch]

What

[pale moss]

Ok probably way off base then sorry lol

[static loom]

skimmed it but sounds like a special case of Dirichlet's theorem

[pulsar pagoda]

This is definitely gpt generated

Or llm generated

[static loom]

there are infinitely many primes of the form an+b for constants a,b when gcd(a,b)=1

[sharp mulch]

I’m not sure what YouTube video you watched but almost all prime numbers are odd

[static loom]

so I guess a=60 and b=whatever else you had there

[pale moss]

The part on the bottom I put in quotations is from Grok

[pale moss]

https://youtu.be/Zrv1EDIqHkY?si=p_cVRAVpUWmsjNa1

sorry not prime numbers, perfect numbers

[sharp mulch]

Ok those are very different

[pale moss]

I didn't mention anything to grok about odd numbers just searching for prime numbers in general

[sharp mulch]

Searching for prime numbers or perfect numbers

[static loom]

I guess if you're searching for Mersenne primes it's the same goal

[pale moss]

searching for prime but I am realizing now I think I meant perfect yeah lol

[pale moss]

yeah thats it

he talks about that in the video I linked

[static loom]

personally the interesting thing I would suggest you learn is how to prove that every even perfect number is the form 2^{p-1}*(2^p -1) with 2^p - 1 being a mersenns prime

[pale moss]

that sort of stuff is too advanced for me to be honest, I was just thinking of fresh ways to find patterns for perfect numbers (or Mersenne primes) that have not really been looked into since I am seeing it from an outsiders perspective

I figure if I can identify a pattern it can be used to help those supercomputer algorithims find more

[static loom]

if you think that's too hard, what you're trying to do is harder

[wet hollow]

This is not generally how it works, for outsiders to math.

[pale moss]

its not so much the math part I am trying to do and more so just the finding patterns part looking at it in new ways while using AI to actually do the heavy lifting, I am just pointing the direction for it to go

[jagged oriole]

godspeed to ya sir

but like, yikes

[true zinc]

!nogpt

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[static loom]

AI is a weenie it can't do heavy lifting

[pale moss]

I am not asking it to do math and more so look for patterns, and I am not using it to answer anyones math questions

[static loom]

also throw this in your prompt to the LLMs: "Are these special cases of Dirichlet's theorem?"

see what it says to you

[pale moss]

And I am putting a focus on visual patterns because it says it doesn't matter what base system you use since prime numbers are really the same across all systems

[jagged oriole]

word of advice: learn math if you want to do math, and then if you want you can use LLM tools after that if you want

[pale moss]

I am not trying to "do math", I am looking for visual patterns to help a supercomputer do the real math...

from what I understand the perfect numbers have gotten so large it's impossible for anyone to really "do the math" themselves

At this point it seems to be about finding patterns to help the supercomputer algorithms, that's my understanding

[true zinc]

Even to see the patterns you need to know a LOT of number theory

you can't eyeball them

even an AI can't eyeball them

[pale moss]

well that's why I said visual patterns, not numerical patterns

[true zinc]

point still stands

[jagged oriole]

the supercomputer cannot do the real math

not at present, anyway. They're just not capable of that

[true zinc]

yeah humans have to write the algos to do the maths

[pale moss]

isnt a supercomputer responsible for finding most of the recent very large prime numbers? that is my understanding from the video I linked

[true zinc]

Guess who wrote the code for those computers

humans

[pale moss]

yeah and they use patterns to make the algorithms, that is the part I am trying to help with

[true zinc]

humans who know a SHIT TON of maths

[true zinc]

not always, there's a lot of theory behind it too

sorry to break to you but you cannot do what you're trying to WITHOUT also knowing the sound theory first

there's a reason number theory is a field that has so many easy-looking statements that are such a PIA to prove

(fermat's last theorem, BSD conjecture, riemann zeta hypothesis, etc...)

[jagged oriole]

humans do math that let us write efficient programs to check a ton of numbers

[true zinc]

hell, for 2 of those, we don't have a proof yet

[pale moss]

well would you say there are no visual patterns for perfect numbers using base-60 and cuneiform? it's not worth looking into at all?

[jagged oriole]

probably not

you can try, if you want to, but it helps to know what has already been discovered about primes

to make sure you're not just re-proving old things, which is fine but it seems to be not what you want

[pale moss]

thats why I ask the AI if the patterns are known in academia formally

even if its a simple pattern

[jagged oriole]

here's a fun fact: the efficient programs to check primes are probabilistic in nature. We don't know for certain that really big primes are actually prime

[pale moss]

The first thing I asked the AI was if anyone really searches for this sort of thing using base-60 cuneiform and it said no not really, so that is what set me down that path

[jagged oriole]

idk if this is true anymore, because we have slow programs that are deterministic

[jagged oriole]

the AI doesn't know

its output should not be trusted

[hardy iron]

!nogpt

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[static loom]

Any visual pattern is really just an indexed grid of numbers so the visual aspect is irrelevant.
The base 60 patterns are again, a special case of Dirichlet's theorem
It's not worth looking into at your stage of understanding because you don't know what you don't know and there have been many smart people before you who have tried it already

[hardy iron]

Aww sniped

[pale moss]

read that again but slower maybe, I don't think it is saying what you think it is saying (because I am not doing that)

[hardy iron]

while using AI to actually do the heavy lifting

[pale moss]

"Use of these AI tools to answer** other** people's help questions"

[hardy iron]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks

[pale moss]

Also it is not so much a mathematical task and more of a pattern recognition task, even for small prime/perfect numbers

the point isnt for it to do advanced math but to look for patterns like I said even for the smaller numbers

[hardy iron]

There's no useful elementary pattern whatsoever

[pale moss]

Is this wrong?
"The sum of digits in base-60 for known perfect numbers could exhibit interesting visual or numerical patterns. For example, 6 in base-60 is still 𒁹𒁹, summing to 𒁹𒁹 (6). In base-60, larger perfect numbers like 28 would be represented as 𒌋𒌋𒁹 (0,44), and the sum of these digits (0 + 4 + 4) still equals 8 in base-10, providing a visual cue of balance or pattern. This isn't formally known but could be an engaging way to explore perfect numbers."

I am just trying to help with a new way for people much smarter/knowledgeable than me to look into perfect number patterns they may not have considered before, that is really all

So those really smart people can make better algorithms, not for me or the AI to do that

[wispy bloom]

Mm

Chann
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Een

[pale moss]

"Are these special cases of Dirichlet's theorem?

No, the observations and patterns discussed regarding perfect numbers in a base-60 system with cuneiform writing do not relate to Dirichlet's theorem. Dirichlet's theorem specifically pertains to the distribution of prime numbers within arithmetic progressions. It states that for any two positive coprime integers a and d, there are infinitely many primes of the form a + n d, where n is a natural number.

The patterns discussed in our conversation involve:

The visual representation of numbers, particularly perfect numbers, in different bases and numeral systems.
Symmetry, digit sums, geometric interpretations, and proximity on a number line, which are more about the aesthetic or intuitive understanding of numbers rather than their distribution in arithmetic sequences.

These are not special cases or extensions of Dirichlet's theorem, which is strictly concerned with primes in arithmetic progressions. Instead, they fall into the realm of number theory education, visualization, and perhaps speculative or heuristic approaches to understanding numbers, but they do not directly address or extend the mathematical content or implications of Dirichlet's theorem."

[static loom]

earlier you conflated prime numbers with perfect numbers so I had to check, it was a 50/50 shot

[pale moss]

I feel like that explained what I am trying to do better than I could explain it though at least

And it is my fault for not being very clear, this is all pretty new to me, but like I said before I feel like that might be a good thing because I can think of unique ways to search for patterns that people knee-deep in this sort of thing might overlook because they are trained to do it a specific way in a specific base system with a specific numerical system etc.

[solid snow]

Not really

[jagged oriole]

I do a freelance mathematical modeling gig for a small real estate company in New Jersey, but they make me do all the formulae in excel and tbh I think this should be some sort of crime

(I should just stop unless they let me do it in python at least)

[pale moss]

I just watched some of the video I linked again and around 3min in he shows how the perfect numbers if written out in binary show a pattern,
6^10 is
110^2

28^10 is
11100^2

496^10 is
111110000^2

etc.

is it really so crazy to say maybe we should look at these numbers using a different base system or cuneiform? If writing it out in binary can show a clear pattern maybe writing it in other ways can too, and when I asked if anyone has really looked at it with base-60 / cuneiform the AI said no not really (this wasn't some complicated math question I asked it, and not what I am asking here or trying to do)

[solid snow]

AI itself can’t even determine whether what you asked it is true or false really

[pale moss]

6 is also 1+2+3

28 is 1+2+3+4+5+6+7

496 is 1+2+3+. . .+31

these don't take some math genius to figure out it is really just about looking at it in a new way to find patterns, no?

[solid snow]

also its not like different bases haven’t been studied for a bit now to say the least

[solid snow]

patterns that let us do what or say what?

[sharp mulch]

You can use python in excel

[pale moss]

since the perfect numbers are so large now you can't really find them by just doing a whole bunch of math, I think one of the mathematicians said it would take someone like a trillion years to find the next number (they can do it, it just takes an impossible amount of time) so at this point they are looking for patterns that can be used to adjust an algorithm that goes into a supercomputer that does the calculations

this is my understanding

I don't know if anything will come of it even if new ones are found I just like the unknown exploration part of it all

[pale moss]

they have been studied in regards to prime/perfect numbers? and cuneiform style?

[solid snow]

maybe not cuneiform

idk what cuneiform would add here

[pale moss]

you could say the same about writing it out in binary, but for some reason writing it in binary shows a pattern

maybe for whatever reason looking at it in cuneiform will too

or in base-60 etc

its not that converting it to binary is some super hard math the AI can't do, it's about knowing where to look really

binary code is just base 2

if writing it in base 2 shows a pattern why not check to see if base 60 does too?

[pale moss]

"Guiding Initial Searches: Visual or conceptual patterns might help in deciding which numbers to check first in a computational search, essentially providing a heuristic that might reduce the number of tests needed by prioritizing certain candidates based on observed patterns."

[pulsar pagoda]

This feature is only available in cloud excel I think (Microsoft 365 on the browser)

[still shuttle]

https://x.com/caridoesphysics/status/1868759207639757295

i would post this in #math-pedagogy but i’m not sure how strict the mods are with that channel

[calm vessel]

What's the point of algebraic topology, it does prove difficult problems like showing that the 2 sphere and 3 sphere are not homeomorphic, but on the other hand that's an "intuitive" statement. Like the style of Alg Top of just building definitions seems to just prove stuff that feels technical and already "intuitive" even if difficult.

[tawny blade]

Great for classifying things, in an automated or formal way. For example: perhaps you could apply it in order to model your feelings in a computer program.

[alpine kindle]

?

how are you using algebraic topology for that

[tawny blade]

I'm not, I can just see that you could use it for that.

[alpine kindle]

i can't

could you elaborate

[tawny blade]

Well basically this is giving form to things so as to make them calculable, that are otherwise highly complicated due to dimensionality.

[alpine kindle]

how are you using algebraic topology here?

[tawny blade]

I've got a plan to use a particular memory layout in a computer program, I suppose basically the topology will be driving what is written where and how often.

[alpine copper]

Is it obvious to you that every closed 3 manifold has 0 euler characteristic or is parelizable? Is it obvious that the existence of spin structure comes down to a vanishing characteristic class? These are all statements that use algebraic topology and have implications to differential geometry and physics

[limber thunder]

in any case you could also make a point that while some statements are "intuitively true" you can't really guarantee that they are until you've formalized them

[alpine copper]

^

[limber thunder]

mathematicians also care a lot about the "why", there's explanatory value in e.g. defining certain invariants like the fundamental group and using it to prove statements like Brouwer's theorem, or the claim that two given spaces are not homeomorphic

[alpine copper]

Even if I were to be gracious and believe that you found a statement like "every even dimensional sphere has no non-vanishing section" as "intuitive" id beg you to explain it to me in intuitive terms

[blazing pawn]

Ok but lowkey if u draw the picture clearly they must be true

Try to draw a nowhere vanishing vector field on the sphere right now

[alpine copper]

I forgot to purchase my 8 dimensional paper

😦

[calm vessel]

See these are fair points- but the one thing id say I'm looking for- is an example where intuition or drawing the picture suggests the wrong idea and the formalism pays off

[blazing pawn]

Yes

[alpine copper]

Draw a pair of paints (no belt loops) and count holes 🫵

[calm vessel]

That's where intuition is unavailable- which is different from misleading

[alpine copper]

Okay this is actually kinda funny, because a lot of alg top is proof by picture haha

[blazing pawn]

I mean "misleading" is kind of up to you

Whats an example of some other field where a misleading result is proven

[calm vessel]

Yeah, but like it's a situation where I could "intuitively" argue different things, so then I don't have a definite intuition I'd say

[blazing pawn]

if you say like weierstrass functions in analysis then i could say "well idk thats not that weird" which you might find unreasonable

But its pretty subjective

[old oak]

Can it be a 1-dimensional sphere?

[blazing pawn]

Like what about the poincare conjecture: is the fact that any n-manifold with the same holes/loops as the sphere can be deformed into it intuitive? or is it weird and unintuitive?

[alpine copper]

Tbh, alg top does a good job at proving intuitive statements that you could draw. But...that's not at all what it is limited to. It unlocks a new world of geometry/topology and kinds of questions that you wouldn't be able to phrase by drawing a picture

[blazing pawn]

Unfortunately it has to be even

[forest axle]

Are you talking about mersenne primes?

[worldly trellis]

Anyone do my hw?

[blazing pawn]

No

No one wants to do your homework

Go away

[alpine copper]

Only if you do mine 😉

[old oak]

I mean, you still can, just make it a random unit vector at every point (yes, I know you meant a smooth vector field)

[worldly trellis]

Mines easy

[old oak]

Great, then I'm sure you can handle it!

[blazing pawn]

Whatever your answer is its true (smoothly) in some dimensions but not others so

[calm vessel]

Ouch yeah okay

[calm vessel]

Okay with this and the previous things I feel satisfied thank you all

[grim valve]

what is a laplace transform

[frozen harbor]

Why when i started putting in answers to ChatGPT that it was correct every single time until I got half way thru my assignments i need to do and it now fails and switches answers every time

[hardy iron]

!nogpt read this

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[frozen harbor]

Oh weird

I thought since ChatGPT has the ability to look up Ways problems are solved. It would know how to do it.

[steel mantle]

Remove NSFW links from your bio please, this isn't appropriate to have in a SFW academic server

[frozen harbor]

my b i just got here

[steel mantle]

All good, thank you :)

[frozen harbor]

Its for another server

I wish i had nitro loll

anyways

Are there any people i can pay to help me out with all of these worksheets that are due tomorrow

Or is that against the rules

[steel mantle]

We don't allow payments for work, and cheating on tests especially is banned, but if you need help approaching homework or coursework you can use a help channel to get some assistance

#❓how-to-get-help

[frozen harbor]

@steel mantle can i dm you

I dont wanna overload the channel

[steel mantle]

It's not a big deal, if you want you can always use #chill too

I'm going to bed in a second anyway it's 1am

[frozen harbor]

Well its alot of worksheets, I’ve already put a problem in the help channel but it would take me at least a week if I had to go each problem. So should I post a picture of each question in my channel and then just wait or

I would go to my universities tutor services but they’re not available since it’s finals week

[steel mantle]

The channels are made to be used for one query at a time, but you can follow up with a new question after your previous one is answered

[ember lance]

Oh we are in the same timezone, you are in Australia?

[steel mantle]

Yep lol

dozens of us

[north topaz]

Keep forgetting lol

[frozen harbor]

I don’t have enough time to wait one by one

[old oak]

Because LLMs are not reliable when it comes to logic and reasoning

That's not what the models were designed to do

[frozen harbor]

But you would think to solve a equation it would just use chegg or something similar to learn and then spit out the solutions

[old oak]

Why would you think that?

[limber thunder]

how it works is similar to predictive text

[frozen harbor]

So then it wouldn’t technically be AI

[limber thunder]

to solve equations it refers to a bunch of similar solved math problems within its training data and decides what's the most likely answer to follow

roughly speaking

[frozen harbor]

So it just compares everything and picks the closest thing

[unborn meteor]

what it thinks is the closest thing more like

[limber thunder]

sort of -- the idea is that LLMs split up the input into "tokens" which can be words or syllables, and then decides what's the most likely next few tokens that follow, it does that a few times to iteratively construct an answer

kinda like your phone autocorrect except more sophisticated and trained on heaps of data

the model itself is also ridiculously huge

[frozen harbor]

I heard

It’s interesting how it can’t process that though

But i guess this being the beginning then that makes sense

So when my professor made those answers up it can’t figure out what to do?

[limber thunder]

so it gives a decent illusion of "intelligence" which is really just how we perceive it (+ there's a whole philosophical current behind it that claims that human reasoning itself is just bayesian inference much like the one done by a language model running in a computer, but I won't start that debate lol)

[frozen harbor]

Hmm

Well okay realistically speaking should i drop the class at this point then 🥲

Cause i thought i was gonna be able to do all of it

Lowkey

I just need to hear it ig

[pale moss]

yeah I believe so

[nocturne idol]

Hello

1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16...+1/n=1

An infinite series of numbers can add up to a number

Is there a possibility that a finite series can add up to infinity?

[shadow flax]

No

Well if you work with the extended real then infty + any number is infty

[nocturne idol]

I was thinking about 1/0=infinity

But proving it is not easy

1/0 tries to be -infinity and infinity at the same time

[shadow flax]

It's undefined

[fluid pollen]

how do yall get simple defs of concepts for recall?

[north topaz]

Quizlet etc

Anki is more professional if you don't mind investing a bit of time and energy

[young ether]

I LOVE LLMS

semantic spaces my beloved 🙏🙏🙏

i think that's genuinely gonna be such a useful paradigm in neurology

visualizing each qualia based semantic vector in a high dimensional space gave me such a useful mental model for understanding consciousness better

[lime fossil]

\int costheta/sin^4theta +5sin^2theta +6,
can the answer be ln(sin^2theta+2)/2-ln(sin^2theta+3)/2+C?

[tawdry tartan]

$\int{(cos\thetasin^4\theta +5sin^2\theta +6) d\theta,
\text{can the answer be} \frac{ln(sin^2\theta+2)}{2}-\frac{ln(sin^2\theta+3)}{2}+C}$

[fathom swallow]

Nyxzore
Compile Error! Click the reaction for more information.
(You may edit your message to recompile.)

[finite agate]

Hi everyone

[finite agate]

I'm new here and i want to learn new thing i'm content writer and off page seo expert and u?

[static loom]

cool, what do you wanna learn?

[finite agate]

I’m eager to learn:
Unique mathematical concepts to inspire content ideas.
Tips for explaining complex topics in simple terms.
Insights into how math influences various aspects of life and other fields.

Looking forward to connecting and learning from all of you! 📚✍️

[sharp mulch]

Well you certainly have the seo part down

[old oak]

I recommend the Collatz conjecture, Riemann Hypothesis, and refutations of Cantor's diagonal argument

[ember lance]

There's a lot of people that would line up to explain to them why .9999... neq 1

[gusty socket]

wdym

[unborn meteor]

.remindme 7h userscript

[quasi jetty]

Created reminder userscript (#serious-discussion message) for <t:1734731516:f>

[cloud basin]

what do we do if theres an irrational number as an exponent fr😔

[old oak]

~~ Give up and become a welder~~

[cloud basin]

makes sense

[old oak]

Less jokingly, we approximate the irrational using rational numbers

[cloud basin]

how tho

like what does even

2^pi mean

[old oak]

That's exactly the example I was starting to type, you calculate $2^3$, then $2^{3.1}$, then $2^{3.14}$ and so on, and you'll find out that as your rational numbers get closer and closer to $\pi$, the results of the exponentiation stabilize (in technical term, they converge to a limit), and we call that limit $2^\pi$.

[fathom swallow]

Outsider

[old oak]

That's not exactly how e.g. computers do it, but it's a similar principle

[cloud basin]

okay wait

What dafuhhh is $2^{3.1}$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[old oak]

$2^{3.1} = 2^{\frac{31}{10}} = \sqrt[10]{2^{31}}$

[fathom swallow]

Outsider

[cloud basin]

is it just $2^3 \cdot 2^{0.1}$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[cloud basin]

shit that makes sense

so like

$8 \cdot \sqrt[10] 2$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[cloud basin]

does that work

looks wrong ngl

but i dont see a mistake

[old oak]

It's fine

[cloud basin]

so that would be our answer?

[neat lintel]

Hi

[old oak]

Well, that's the value of $2^{3.1}$, so it's going to be close to $2^{\pi}$, but not exactly equal

[fathom swallow]

Outsider

[cloud basin]

yea

approx

can we somehow use limits?

Like

Idk

$\lim_{x→π} 2^x$

what happend

$\lim_{x → \pi} 2^x$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[cloud basin]

bruh

$\lim_{x -> \pi} 2^x$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[cloud basin]

lowkey same problem

what happens then

[rocky shuttle]

\[\lim_{x \to \pi} 2^x\]

[old oak]

Exactly that

[fathom swallow]

Ryc's Red Nose

[cloud basin]

i might be a little slow

Thats wild

[cloud basin]

tysm

so uh

Could we jus say

uhhhhh

need to think

[solid snow]

Use supremums

[cloud basin]

so its always

Kinda

[old oak]

Yep, the general mathematical definition (well, one of them) is that for $a>0$ and $b\in\bR$ we define $a^b = \sup{a^q: q\in \bQ, q\leq b}$. Alternatively we can start by defining the functions $e^x$ and $\log x$ (which can be done using something called power series), and then do $a^b = e^{b\log a}$.

[fathom swallow]

Outsider

[cloud basin]

$2^3 \cdot \sqrt[10] {2^{14159265}}$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[cloud basin]

this looks way too wrong

[old oak]

Wrong degree of the root.

[cloud basin]

why is that the case

[old oak]

Because $3.14159265$ isn't $\frac{314159265}{10}$

[fathom swallow]

Outsider

[cloud basin]

im unfortunately not at that level of maths yet

to understand what you said

[cloud basin]

But the 3 is outside

[old oak]

I'm mostly throwing this as a bit of trivia

[cloud basin]

so

2^3

Is the 3 in the 3.14

and then the rest is like

pi-3

imo

[old oak]

To be honest I'm going to struggle to explain irrational exponentiation to you if you're shaky with fractions

[cloud basin]

Ill try my best

go ahead

[old oak]

I rather meant that I think you should first do some revising of basic algebra, including operations on fractions and switching between decimal and fractional forms of numbers

[cloud basin]

I uh

but i dont struggle w fractions😔

why ru gaslighting me fr

[solid snow]

the above suggests otherwise

not a bad thing, just something to fix before moving on

[cloud basin]

wait

oh true

i misread that

damn

cant believe that

$2^3 \cdot \sqrt[100000000] {2^{14159265}}$

[fathom swallow]

Luh Roub

[cloud basin]

@old oak das correct now?

[old oak]

I didn't count the zeros, but it seems more reasonable

[cloud basin]

8 zeros

8 digits in the expo

should be right now

[cloud basin]

Wanna continue?

[old oak]

Can't just now, but here's more info (and references): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Real_exponents

[cloud basin]

Alrighty tysm fr

[azure pollen]

are there any splines that conserve length even when their tangents and their end points change??

[quasi jetty]

@unborn meteor asked to be reminded <t:1734706316:R>, userscript

[neat lintel]

Wym

How can you conserve length and change endpoints?

[wary dagger]

So $1$ + $1$ = $2$

[fathom swallow]

97jj

[limber thunder]

[hallow igloo]

0 if it was the finite field F2

[wary dagger]

$x^3$ + $x^2$ = $97$

[fathom swallow]

97jj

[static loom]

x^2(x+1)=97 but 97 is prime so there are no integer solutions 😌

[quick beacon]

You are probably aware, but you don't have to enclose just the numbers in the equation.

@wary dagger ^

$x^3 + x^2 = 97$

[fathom swallow]

OmnipotentEntity

[ripe oar]

Is there a theorem that says for any countable(finite or infinite) set of points there exists a differentible function that passes through them?

With the condition that a=b implies f(a)=f(b) of course

For a finite set of points Lagrange interpolation can be used so there clearly is, not sure about countably infinite though

[old oak]

Consider the set of points ${(q,0): q\in\bQ}\cup{(q+\sqrt{2},1),q\in\bQ}$, there will be no continuous function whose graph passes through all those points.

[fathom swallow]

Outsider

[ripe oar]

Why is that if I may ask?

Oh nvm I see why

Sequential criterion of continuity

Thanks

[old oak]

Yeah, any continuous function which would be 0 at all the rationals, would need to be 0 everywhere

[upbeat heart]

Bro why i cant even solve basic statistic story question. My problem solving skill is rotten at this point

[ember lance]

Gonna go grab soil from the garden plot (I have permission) for my mint plant today ♪♫♬

[static loom]

I guess that means it's surviving so far 😌

[azure pollen]

something like a wire???

[barren hull]

uh so this isnt math stuff but i stidy biomedical science and if any of u know I’ve been reading about cell signaling pathways, but I still don’t get how the second messengers actually work

I understand that they’re involved in transmitting signals inside the cell, but how do they really function to trigger changes? It’s a bit unclear to me

[dull berry]

Is there any difference between proper subset and proper superset cause I see none

[solid snow]

well they talk about different things

[versed agate]

A is a proper subset of B if and only if B is a proper superset of A

[dull berry]

I see

[upbeat heart]

How to increase problem solving skill 😭

[rocky shuttle]

Solve more problems

[upbeat heart]

Even if the problems takes hours for me to answer? 😭

[rocky shuttle]

Depends on your goal

Undergrad math problems do usually take several hours to solve for a beginner

[upbeat heart]

But what I'm afraid is sometimes the problems I'm learning through previous exam question, is somewhat different then what will come out next year. So it is like completely new problem for me to solve

[upbeat heart]

It is for college entrance exam 🥲

[rocky shuttle]

Right, I don't advise learning to solve exam questions only

[sharp mulch]

Use noggin

[rocky shuttle]

Try to understand the concepts, too

[upbeat heart]

My brain isn't braining when answering

So the final answer is learn to solve the problem as well learning the concept too

Is it harder to understand math since chemistry/physics formula's are applicable in real life, like for example the pV = NRT. I can see the video where the formula is applied through piston ig?, but I can't imagine the x² - ax + b = 0 being applied in real life 😭

Please I need help understanding the math 😭

[north topaz]

Pictures help

The beauty of maths is it doesn't need to be related to the real world

[north topaz]

The roots are symmetric across the line of symmetry, x = -b/(2a)

[north topaz]

Cause the ideal gas law is like for a uniform low speed gas

So many other conditions

Real gases do not behave like that

In maths they don't lie to you

No thx

No

Frick its you again

Can you stop creating new accounts

Lmao, no

[upbeat heart]

Imma have to try that method of studying later, thanks

[north topaz]

Yeah like that's how you draw the sign diagram

Look at if the x^2 term is positive or negative

<@&268886789983436800>

[upbeat heart]

I think i get the general idea

[narrow carbon]

Mod can see deleted messages btw

[north topaz]

Do you want a girlfriend???????

/j

[leaden torrent]

#linear-algebra

#advanced-algebra

[narrow carbon]

The one who knows about theory of nonsense

[leaden torrent]

you might have them hidden under "Channels & Roles"

enabling this should show them if so

[sharp mulch]

?

Yeah sure

But like

A public discord server???

Deleted message

Lol ok

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[hearty marsh]

Ok

Done

[neat lintel]

Yea

We model spring

[solid snow]

<@&268886789983436800>

[terse comet]

why is there always another mod ping

[solid snow]

Users…

[left mesa]

woa so many mod pings

[hearty marsh]

?

why the ping tho

[solid snow]

for something that moderators dealt which is why it's removed from chat

don't ping me for this

[hearty marsh]

uh sorry

[neat lintel]

why are you 2 people at the same time rn

you said you change nicknames but now you're using 2

[true zinc]

Welcome to alter blurring and cofronting

[neat lintel]

bro

[true zinc]

and well, it only gets more confusing from here

[neat lintel]

so the amount that you are a person isn't an integer?

[true zinc]

Nope :)

[neat lintel]

crazy

is it a real number?

or is it a non real complex number

[true zinc]

yes

[neat lintel]

wowzers

alr i was joking i think it can't be a non real number

i guess your indentities probably have different sexualities

so if you are between an asexual identity and a bisexual identity, what is your real sexuality at the moment?

lol

[true zinc]

let's just leave it at "our dating life is chaos"

[neat lintel]

lmao

[true zinc]

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

just fucking hope it doesn't happen when you're...uhm...doing stuff with people

[true zinc]

literally us rn fr fr (I'm pan, Eliza is ace) and uh...it's confusing

[neat lintel]

acesexual?

[true zinc]

asexual, yeah

[neat lintel]

that would cause a big problem

but you can note things

so when you go to a personality that isn't attracted to that person, you can see that you have other personalities that are and wait until the personality that likes that person come back

[true zinc]

UhhhHHHHHH

When we switch like that we're generally just talking with people, oh and this type of thing only becomes a (very annoying) problem when we're rapidswitching alters due to stress

[unborn meteor]

hmm

[true zinc]

oh that reminds me

monday's gonna be fuuuuuuuuun /s (final grades come out)

[unborn meteor]

why?

[true zinc]

check edit

[unborn meteor]

ph

oh

[neat lintel]

but if you are in a relationship with someone (if you ever had), do all your personalities are in love with that person?

[true zinc]

well, it gets very very complicated

[neat lintel]

i can imagine

[true zinc]

(some of us have outright different ages, and like I'm not even gonna get into this)

[neat lintel]

what??

there are trans age?

[unborn meteor]

kinda...

doesn't hrt change your biological age anyway

[true zinc]

alter age depends on when they formed, types of trauma, etc...

[true zinc]

I have no idea

[unborn meteor]

i think it does

[true zinc]

tldr DID is caused by repeated severe childhood trauma

[unborn meteor]

bc E increases life expectancy

[neat lintel]

maybe for people with different personalities their intelligence can change i guess

and maturity

[true zinc]

Welcome to why we struggle with every single bloody class

[neat lintel]

whats a bloody class

[true zinc]

I love dissociative amnesia I love dissociative amnesia I love dissociative amnesia I love dissociative amnesia

[true zinc]

bloody (insult)

[neat lintel]

ok

[unborn meteor]

a regular class when the teacher goes insane

[neat lintel]

yeah that must be a shit

[true zinc]

[neat lintel]

imagine you finally learn something and then you unlearns it

[true zinc]

Less unlearn, more "oh shit we can't transfer memories"

[neat lintel]

to make sure you will pass in a test you have to study in every of your 20 personalities 💀

[unborn meteor]

you must unlearn what you have learned, and then learn it again! (please get this reference)

[true zinc]

lmao

[true zinc]

Nope! Just hope to all existence me (Ryan) or Astrid are the ones fronting

[unborn meteor]

(which from my experience happens more than 95% of the time)

i'm actually the one grading their tests so i know for sure

[true zinc]

We're frontstuck as hell most of the time, so you're not wrong

[neat lintel]

the only advantage of DID is that if you and another personality disagrees, you can always think on new arguments to continue the discussion until you find out what's the right opinion

[unborn meteor]

that's an advantage?

[neat lintel]

yes i guess because theoretically for any debate you would be able to find the correct opinion

[unborn meteor]

"correct opinion" is an oxymoron

[true zinc]

here's us talking w/ one of our other friends who has DID about switch stuff from earlier today

[true zinc]

No this is HELL

watch as your mindscape literally turns into a firey inferno

it's not fun

and yes we can visualize our headspace, it's cool, until it's not

[neat lintel]

it's cool until it's not 🤯

[neat lintel]

a convo between 70 people

[true zinc]

it's not fun when your entire mental state crashes alongside it and then you're sobbing, blurry, depressed, and confused for daaaays

[neat lintel]

bro made a group chat with more than 10 members

[true zinc]

no, just their host Izzy and Eliza from our system

[neat lintel]

that might be crazy like you can be happy and sad at the same time

[true zinc]

YEP

FUCK THAT FEELING

IT'S AWFUL

[neat lintel]

wait

is it a convo between people of your system?

[true zinc]

no, Izzy is the host of the system of the person we were dming

[neat lintel]

or is it you and another physical person (another system)

[true zinc]

this

[neat lintel]

the host?

why are they the host?

did yall make an election?

WAIT ALSO

[true zinc]

the host is generally the alter who's around the most and/or controls most of the day-to-day, for example, I (Ryan) am our host

[neat lintel]

HOW DO YOU VOTE FOR PREDISENT

[true zinc]

we don't

every system governs differently

[neat lintel]

genius

[true zinc]

ours is...uh...dangerously close to anarchy half the time

[neat lintel]

lol

[neat lintel]

wasn't izzy the host?

oh

it's the host of the other system yall were talking to

now i got it

[true zinc]

Our hosts have been

Ari -> Astrid -> Me -> Astrid -> Me

[neat lintel]

can someone die

or born

[true zinc]

alters can't die

[true zinc]

alters can split

[neat lintel]

hmmmm

but can't they join with each other too then?

[true zinc]

Fusion is a thing

[unborn meteor]

WHAT

that sounds like... good luck doing anything that day

[neat lintel]

dragon ball

[true zinc]

yeah it's...hell

it takes a lot out of us to split

[neat lintel]

thats crazy even the number of alters can chanfe

[true zinc]

we started at 1 well over a decade ago

[neat lintel]

what if you actually have an uncountable number of personalities

[true zinc]

welcome to polyfragmented systems

[neat lintel]

because the amount that you are in every one of them is a rea number

[true zinc]

we actually know one irl

[neat lintel]

aint no way that exists

[true zinc]

they're very kind, also into maths

[true zinc]

suffer enough trauma, and well...enjoy a few hundred alters

[neat lintel]

luckily i have only one

you can also have no personalities, right?

[unborn meteor]

WHAT

UNCOUNTABLE ALTERS

WHAT

HOW IS THAT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE

[neat lintel]

about a negative number of them idk

[true zinc]

not uncountable, but a lot

[unborn meteor]

can it be complex

the alter count

[true zinc]

no

[true zinc]

....no

[neat lintel]

bro but how tf do you know another did system irl? isnt that really really rare?

[unborn meteor]

not very

its like 1% or something

[neat lintel]

what about having no alters?

not even 1

[unborn meteor]

well that's called being dead

[neat lintel]

lol

[versed agate]

I mean being trans is pretty rare as well and I know a few all-trans friend groups

people seem to cluster

[unborn meteor]

trans is not that rare

like 8% apparently

[neat lintel]

but did you find them randomly or did you search for them?

[visual breach]

@true zinc How do you keep track of multiple personalities?

[neat lintel]

in the internet is easy like there's probably some discord server for trans people

[unborn meteor]

it's this one

[visual breach]

Do each of them manage to identify themselves?

[unborn meteor]

i'm trans

[versed agate]

O_o among which population?

[unborn meteor]

global

[versed agate]

I've seen 0.5-2% usually

[unborn meteor]

it shouldn't differ per population

yeah but theres a lot of underreporting

[versed agate]

and yet it does

[unborn meteor]

https://discord.com/channels/268882317391429632/1160361906536710265

[north topaz]

Not that much tho

Like we are not in the 70s anymore

[unborn meteor]

in this server... see #discussion message

[neat lintel]

i mean a trans community server, maybe for people who suffer judgement and want a place with people that understand their feelings

[north topaz]

I'd say government statistics in Western countries will be accurate

If anything the older generation will be undercounted

[unborn meteor]

this is basically a trans community server

[neat lintel]

no way

[neat lintel]

it's only one chat tho

[true zinc]

Pluralkit bot, notes on our phone mainly, etc...

[visual breach]

Oh wow. That's awesome, but it sounds stressful as well.

[true zinc]

Very

[unborn meteor]

theres trans discussions in the rest of the channels too

[neat lintel]

yeah but they are for any topic

[unborn meteor]

but like at least 30% of the active users here are trans

[neat lintel]

i wonder why

[unborn meteor]

i do too

[neat lintel]

like i think ratios should always be the same

so there's a relation between being trans and liking math

or maybe it can be a coincidence

idk

[onyx karma]

This is a mathemagics server. I think there are much better places for that type of community

[onyx karma]

I think it's moreso that there is a relationship between gender dysphoria and autism, and a connection between autism and mathematics

As to why I say there are better places for that, coming together in solidarity is a beautiful thing but when it's done in a domain specific context that's not explicitly aligned with the respective domain, it often has the unintended side effects of
A. Pushing the social aspect into the backseat (ie it will always be secondary to the domain itself)
B. Creating animosity for the social aspect because it's seen as invasive ("I came for <insert y> and got <insert x> instead")
C. Splitting the engagement for a community (if I go into a server about chemistry, the people online shouldn't only be there because of a social issue they care about)
D. Hindering proper discovery (do we market it as a social server? If so, will that just stunt the growth because of the aforementioned problems?

[slender moat]

testing

i was testing

[onyx karma]

I have many trans friends and I would love to see a server where their rights and issues were given the full stage and proper respect, hopefully that already exists, but trying to make domain specify servers that is a mistake

That's why I left the Arch Linux discord, it isn't primarily about Arch Linux anymore as they said themselves, so what is the point?

Also I'm open to counter arguments of course, just yelling into the void a bit lmao

[solid snow]

we have many dedicated math channels with lots of in depth math discussion

the discussion channels are the social channels

[onyx karma]

Not arguing against that

That's fine, every server has general/chat/discussion and friends lol

[gusty socket]

this doesn’t sound right

like not even close

[thick yacht]

It sounds within two orders of magnitude of being correct.

[umbral lion]

that'd lead to arguements of a vocal minority here

[surreal sapphire]

this is old data but i dont think it changed significantly

(data from 2022)

wait wrong data

this one

(there is ofc the issue that straight people do not know what cisgender means, explaining why this is so low)

[remote goblet]

what's that

[surreal sapphire]

data collected from the last server survey

[ember lance]

Did the results in any meaningful way impact the direction of the server, or was it merely for curiosity?

[surreal sapphire]

well, the results and some additional commentary from server staff are publicly available

#changelog message

relevant section is Discussion of feedback

[ember lance]

Thanks for the link... That was a lot more than I expected. I guess the reason there are no more surveys is because of the implementation of the meta channels?

Make your helpers active.
I guess some things never change

[dense belfry]

30% being trans was my bit from 2 months ago

[onyx karma]

How is your work on automating decision making going

[thick yacht]

You can't automate tree-like resolution in better than O(n^O(log n)) time without the exponential time hypothesis being wrong.

[surreal sapphire]

its a lot of work for marginal (if any) benefit

there might be future surveys, the main reason they arent happening is nobody wants to do that work i think

[chrome whale]

What are some real genius that you guys might have seen? Extremely curious.

[static loom]

just the other day

[raven plaza]

Hi

[onyx karma]

Well I think she was saying something in chat before about it

But then she said she didn't want to elaborate so idk why she even mentioned it there. Figured I'd still ask about it since she seemed to want to talk about the progress with it

[sonic sentinel]

chat do you think i could still do it 😭

[neat lintel]

makes sense ig

[solar sedge]

just read 6 books in 10 days. Lock in😂

[sharp mulch]

Imagine not averaging a book a week

[sonic sentinel]

bro's flexing reading

[solar sedge]

I gotta read for high ability class👎🏾

[sonic sentinel]

thisimage ahh flex

[neat lintel]

whycan people with undergraduate math role send media here

[proud olive]

Only people with image perms can

Emeritus gives you that, not the undergrad role

[neat lintel]

oh

wait

so

so the very active people role also gives you media perms, right?

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[upbeat heart]

Bro i hate math 😭

[topaz surge]

🤨

[umbral lion]

bro why is old jerma fighting new jerma

[sonic sentinel]

he's fighting his demons

[surreal sapphire]

manhwa doesnt count

[sharp mulch]

Excluding manhwa

This is up until the first week of December

[opal mesa]

and you are on mathematics group😂

[sharp mulch]

#chill

[inner canopy]

impressive amount of yaoi

[true zinc]

yaoi is awesome

[vocal vessel]

[true zinc]

You can partake in a mathematics group without enjoying it, maybe they're here to learn and eventually enjoy maths

[sharp mulch]

[inner canopy]

I should read more yaoi ngl

Last year was my ABO phase
Now we're in the yaoi smut phase 😎

[sharp mulch]

Case File Compendium is both

Lol

[amber fog]

None of these words are in the bible

[vocal vessel]

You're reading the wrong edition.

[sonic sentinel]

the important part is whether they're able to name at least three of its albums

[true zinc]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[sharp mulch]

#❓how-to-get-help

[fringe meteor]

@sharp mulch why did u block me

[icy locust]

Is this group abelian

[wild lantern]

I'm sure some of us commute

[true zinc]

doot what does this imply

is mathcord some weird fucked up version of GL_N(C)

[solid snow]

Analysis is just a big scam by big small to get us to buy more small

[true zinc]

Does this imply that Algebra is a good deal

[bronze pelican]

GL_N(C) is a great group

Just like mathcord is a great group

[solid snow]

The General Linear Group…

[hallow igloo]

all mathematics is a pyramid scheme, you learn math to teach math later

[jolly zealot]

no i thiks maths is like a tree

[old oak]

What is a tree but an upside-down pyramid

[hallow igloo]

its a tree that has a treehouse with a plank that says "TOPOLOGISTS ONLY"

[old oak]

In Poland we have a tree specifically for topologists! https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topola

[hallow igloo]

why is poland the source of my suffering? (the annoying parts of functional analysis, measure theory and topology)

[old oak]

It's our revenge for the partitions and the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact

[hallow igloo]

im catching stray bullets man im just algerian

[old oak]

Collateral damage

Can't be helped

It's all in good cause

[hallow igloo]

also, polish people dont need their territory... they already have polish spaces

[old oak]

I won't lie, that did catch me off guard

https://tenor.com/view/sensible-chuckle-gif-3532650

[onyx karma]

I love this gif, it's mine now

[static loom]

same, it's from the show Danger 5 btw

[hollow bane]

Yo

[dusky thistle]

Do you mean like professional gymnasts?

[hollow bane]

Yeah

[dusky thistle]

Like Simone Biles

[hollow bane]

Courtney tulloch is a uk gymnast

[hollow bane]

Yeah

[dusky thistle]

I don't know her

[hollow bane]

It’s a him

[dusky thistle]

Bruhhh

Bro has a girl's name

[hollow quest]

AHA YOURE POLISH

[hollow bane]

I got image locked

Bro

[empty rapids]

didn't we know that already

[hollow bane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Tulloch

Hey biper

[hollow quest]

I was under the impression he was an American studying at Princeton

[gusty socket]

yep

[hollow bane]

😭

[dusky thistle]

I don't know him, but I know of Max Whitlock, Louis Smith, Beth Tweddle, etc

[hollow bane]

Max Whitlock pretty cool

What about liu yang

[empty rapids]

this all i know, idk literally anyone else

[dusky thistle]

Nope

[hollow bane]

🔫

[empty rapids]

💀

[dusky thistle]

I'm not into gymnastics that much

[hollow bane]

Viper is a gymnastics enthusiast

[empty rapids]

huh? 😭

[hollow bane]

It was sarcasm

[empty rapids]

☠️

[hollow bane]

You are indeed not a gymnastics enthusiast

[empty rapids]

indeed not

[dusky thistle]

I also play the piano and violin

[empty rapids]

so do I :O

[dusky thistle]

Oh nice!

[hollow bane]

I’m playing gymnopedie no 1

[hollow bane]

[empty rapids]

[hollow bane]

I never knew that

[empty rapids]

i never brought it up ig

[hollow bane]

I wanna play arabesque’s

Such a good song

[empty rapids]

um

aren't there like

[dusky thistle]

Anyways I need to get ready for work tomorrow so see you guys

[empty rapids]

a lot of songs called arabesque

[hollow bane]

Arabesque no 1

[empty rapids]

😭

[hollow bane]

Cya

[hollow bane]

What

[empty rapids]

what what

💀

[hollow bane]

What what what?

[empty rapids]

what what what what 🤨

[hollow bane]

What what what what what?

What

[bronze imp]

Hey does someone know why I never find many resources in projective geometry?

[empty rapids]

electrical power u mean?

i think its watts

that flew right over my head

[onyx karma]

It's the facial expressions for me

[onyx karma]

😆😄... 😐... 😅

[static loom]

lol

[fleet condor]

if u know how to solve logs and exponentials try this fun equation r^2 y + (1-as)ln(m) = ln(x)

[bronze imp]

?

[hollow bane]

Cause it isn’t popular? That’s just pure speculation

[neat lintel]

Its popular

[neat lintel]

What specifically

[hardy iron]

?

[sturdy snow]

well

[neat lintel]

well well well

[daring parrot]

how do i get a high paying career without college

im not smart at all but i want to be succesful

but how will i ever

[verbal quest]

second verse
same as the first
A little bit louder
and a whole lot worse

[pulsar pagoda]

[umbral lion]

whore's lot worse you mean?

[foggy meadow]

climb out of an 1000 foot with no tools, just bear hands.

Certification hell

[verbal quest]

no, I didn't
and don't say that

[umbral lion]

who gives a shit man, mods wont ban spam lol

[pulsar pagoda]

to answer ur question become a plumber

its a good job

good salary

U dont need to be smart to do it

[foggy meadow]

You need to have some strength though.

[pulsar pagoda]

and the right tools

[static loom]

some even go on to do other things, like save princesses

[raven plaza]

And their brother is a data scientist

[pulsar pagoda]

@solid snow

[narrow carbon]

I am assuming you are a girl. Marry with some rich guy. You don't even need to work !

[sharp mulch]

[limber thunder]

that's some advice to give smh

[brazen mulch]

however, that's not how it works, usually 💀

[narrow carbon]

I think i misunderstood her question

She wanna get successful career, rather than money only

[limber thunder]

yes career is the key word here I guess

[narrow carbon]

Yeah. My bad, misunderstanding

[tiny basin]

Yo ima dude can i also marry a rich guy

I dont wanna work

[narrow carbon]

[tiny basin]

calc 3 it is

[narrow carbon]

Calculus?

[limber thunder]

you could learn a trade that's one way

[tiny basin]

Im taking calc 3 next college semester

😳

[limber thunder]

starting a small business might be another but not a very reliable option these days

[narrow carbon]

Cool

[narrow carbon]

I haven't studied multi variable calculus probably

[tiny basin]

Ayye

Well shieeet

I hestd its not hay bad

[narrow carbon]

After Lin alg

[tiny basin]

Calc 2 wasnt bad tbh

Only sequences and seires

[narrow carbon]

I will study

[tiny basin]

Kinda was tuff for me

[tiny basin]

I heard it helps a ton witj it

[narrow carbon]

Oh. Yeah, i have studied it in analysis

[narrow carbon]

Yeah

[tiny basin]

I want to take lin aswell

But my major at my achool dosnt eequire it

But i will maybe take it