unix

[formal schooner]

you shouldn't really do this in windows either

use a venv, or at least pip install --user

it's just that in windows, breaking python doesn't also break your entire computer

[lapis comet]

Yeah, I hadn't heard of venv then. In fact, I had never used versioning tools for any language

[formal schooner]

i actually hate that system-installed packages use the same site-packages location as user-installed packages

i think debian maybe separates the distro-provided packages from user-installed packages?

[lapis comet]

By the way, how does it make sense that I can import sys in the python interpreter, but not through the scripts?

[formal schooner]

no, but be more specific

[lapis comet]

$ python3 a.py where a.py is a script that imports sys will error out ('sys' is not defined), but

python3
>>> import sys

will work just fine

note that python3 and python apparently call the same interpreter, at least the same version (3.10.1)

wait, apparently pandas is also not being imported

[formal schooner]

pandas is a different story, start with the core stuff

[formal schooner]

that's very strange indeed

what does python3 -c 'import sys' do?

[lapis comet]

jesus. I think the issue is with pandas

# Imports
try:
  import sys
  from pm_func import *
  from setup_db import setupDatabase
except Exception as e:
  sys.exit(f'Failed to import libraries. ({e})')

So I'm testing with a script that begins with this... which gives me an error (yeah, I know the exception isn't meant to be used that way, I'm so sorry) about sys not being defined
but if I remove the try block, it does import sys, but errors out with setup_db (which is another script, that imports read_excel from pandas)

[formal schooner]

that's also weird. it certainly can't hurt to reinstall

[lapis comet]

god

apparently installing pandas through pacman did fix pandas at least

[formal schooner]

yeah, because it will dump the files into exactly the same place as pip

again i think debian does a better job here, they patch python to put system packages in different places from where pip puts them

[lapis comet]

Okay, now I'm feeling terribly stupid -_-

In any case, thanks a lot for the attention and help, @formal schooner !

[real vapor]

mixing the distro package manager with pip is always an exciting experience

[thin berry]

hello

i need help with linux bash scripting
here is the code:
at now
at> echo "hello" | mail jon
at> ^D

can someone explain me what mail jon is?

[wise forge]

Sending "hello" to email address "jon".
| Symbol makes data flow redirected from first to second command

More understandable looking would be next code

echo "some text here to send it...." | mail -s "My_subject_is_here" [e-mail]

[thin berry]

But how can an email be only "jon"?

[thin berry]

In a learning book. It's explaining how at command works. So i got this code under "this at command will send an e-mail", thats all

[hearty solar]

I believe that means it's sent to a local user mailbox

[thin berry]

can be, that's the only thing that makes sense in this context

[wise egret]

2>&1 < /dev/null redirects stderr to stdout and then discarded by dev/null ??
little lost here

[formal schooner]

no, < /dev/null means you connect stdin to /dev/null

if you wanted to discard both stderr and stdout you would write >/dev/null 2>&1

that means:

1. connect stdout to /dev/null
2. connect stderr to "wherever stdin is currently pointing"

redirections are read from right to left, and X>&Y is a redirection to "wherever Y is currently pointing", it is not a permanent connection between X and Y

you could of course write >/dev/null 2>/dev/null or perhaps 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null if you really want to be explicit

quiz: what does this do? >/dev/null 2>&1 >./out

[warped nimbus]

Out and err get written to a File?

[formal schooner]

stderr goes to /dev/null and stdout goes to out

cat >./tmp.sh <<EOD
echo 'good'
>&2 echo 'bad'
EOD

sh tmp.sh >./out1 2>&1 >./out2

echo '-- out1 --'
cat out1

echo '-- out2 --'
cat out2

[warped nimbus]

So &1 is evaluated when 2>&1 is evaluated rather than when the entire line is finished?

[formal schooner]

precisely

perhaps "expanded" would be a bit better

but "followed" i think is better still

X>&Y treats Y as a "pointer" of sorts, and it redirects X to "wherever Y is currently pointing"

[rapid nest]

What's dis channel for?

[lavish storm]

Tooling, setup and configuration related to Python development on unix or unix-like systems such as Linux or MacOS.

[rapid nest]

Alr

[main olive]

i use arch btw

[lavish storm]

cool

[cloud palm]

i cant add an xrandr custom resolution afer installing nvidia driver pls help

[ember quiver]

This is the best pickup line 🤣

[main olive]

fr

[ember quiver]

^^^ That dude gets it 😎

[coarse leaf]

I can't launch jupyter notebooks, but only when I'm connecting to my linux (mint) machine via rdp. I try to launch it via terminal "jupyter notebook" (or "jupyter-notebook") and it says that the jupyter command doesn't exist. If I walk over to the linux machine, I can access it through the terminal without issue.

[ember quiver]

That's an odd one... I use RDP a lot (but not Jupyter) and haven't seen something like this. If you're physically at the machine and you do which jupyter what's the path? Can you run it from that path when connected via RDP?

[coarse leaf]

I was able to fix it by re-installing jupyter. Should have been the 2nd or 3rd thing I did.

[main olive]

I want to build a simple terminal inside panda3d. Is it possible to read/scrape and control a separate curses application (say...vim) using python's stdout/in/err?

Or can anyone namedrop libs that could make something like this happen without reinventing the wheel?

[pale shoal]

What’s the ultimate goal ?

[main olive]

to take over the world

all my computer does is run panda3d and terminals so I figured I could get rid of the terminals

[pale shoal]

This might be helpful, http://zed.github.io/GateOne/Developer/terminal.html

Writing a terminal from the ground up is a great learning task, is there value in it ?… not quite sure

[main olive]

I doubt it. Best case scenario is something that already does it and I can pipe to my TextNode.

though the license is very strict :(

of GateOne

I'll take my chances. Thanks :)

https://github.com/selectel/pyte

this looks cool too

[winter mica]

What's the error

[lavish storm]

semi colons i reckon

[stiff hull]

hello

num1 = input("Enter Num1")

num2 = input("Enter Num2")

num3 = input("Enter Num3")

that's hard

[wise forge]

two if, only one ending fi. add additional fi

[main olive]

for i in range(10):
    input(f"Enter num{i}")
```do not repeat yourself

[ashen fulcrum]

anyone knows how to automatically back up

a windows folder on a Arch-linux computer

via wifi?

ive tried with putty on windows

and ssh in arch

but always it always give me a network error

if there is any other method ill appreciate any info

btw i've also tried with nitroshare, but it will not let me send folders

[wise forge]

https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/latest.html
as a putty, there is special pscp program for file transfers between client and server

[ashen fulcrum]

this is where i got putty

[wise forge]

have u tried pscp, which is just under it?

it should be good for file transfers

there should be much better ways to transfer files for backup purposes...

[ashen fulcrum]

yeah, ive pasted pscp on the windows 'root' folder and accesed it from the command promp

[wise forge]

rsync or something like that

[ashen fulcrum]

rsync is a linux command right?

[wise forge]

yeah

also ansible could be used

[ashen fulcrum]

so u kind of download the folder with it

[wise forge]

I am going to make backups with ansible ;b I have quite small file sizes though, that's why I sure it willl handle it easily

[ashen fulcrum]

im trying to backup a python program, the thing is

that the data base is like 4 gb

so im thinking that this might be the problem

for small files putty os pscp works just fine

but when i try to sync the database it fails

[wise forge]

could it be because it is still in work

and when you make copy, it changes in the process / or just busy

how about stopping for a moment when you make a copy of it

at least a local one for speed

[ashen fulcrum]

i don get it mate 😦

[wise forge]

stopping database service

making local copy of data / optionally dumping data

enabling database service back

downloading in whatever wished time the made local copy

[ashen fulcrum]

u telling me that i should try to sync a copy of my database instead of the original file?

[wise forge]

i mean, what is taking 4 gb size?

i thought it is database

[ashen fulcrum]

a databe... i mean... its the data entry for my program

a lot of big csv\

csv*

[wise forge]

uh.

[ashen fulcrum]

oh btw

i can totally not backup the database\

u know

it is not changing

so the other solution is having a program or proces for backing up certain folder

but ignoring certain directory inside it

u know

but i wasn't able to do this with putty

or pscp

they r 2 simple

😦

too*

ill be hearing any ideas... thank u Darkwind

[main olive]

a windows folder on a Arch-linux computer

what does a windows folder on a arch-linux computer mean?

[wise forge]

I assume samba usage perhaps
It makes sharing folders with Windows emulation of folder sharing

U know if he used it, he would be probably having no problems to backup then 🤔

Although that is an option only if he has server in his local network

[wise forge]

Remember I mentioned Rsync?
First googled link to 'backup from Linux to Windows" suggests exactly it
https://www.petenetlive.com/KB/Article/0000892

[main olive]

I'm thinking their problem is a timeout

yeah

rsync would solve that

[tulip dock]

I'm using os.environ.pop() but the variable is still present in /proc/nnn/environ, is that supposed to happen?

[ashen fulcrum]

thank u so much my friend, i will definitively give it a good look

[ashen fulcrum]

yeah, actually that might be the problem, the thing is that on putty ive set a timeout long enough, but in the pscp i dont think u can

[main olive]

mutating os.environ doesn't actually modify the os's env

[fallen aurora]

Hey all! Anyone free to help me out briefly with updating a CSV file using bash scripts from a python programs output?

[lavish storm]

what is it exactly that you are trying to do betwixt bash and python?

[latent wren]

Why does ubuntu screen use this command will not continue run after detach?
echo templates/index.html | sudo entr service apache2 restart

[tulip dock]

The docs say (https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.html#os.environ):

You can delete items in this mapping to unset environment variables. unsetenv() will be called automatically when an item is deleted from os.environ, and when one of the pop() or clear() methods is called.

[main olive]

and?

[tulip dock]

you "and?"

[main olive]

?? what

[tulip dock]

Unless you want to qualify your answer it is provably wrong

if your reaction to that proof is "and?" what do you expect me to say?

Is that how you talk to people in real life? They say something and you go "and?" come on man

[main olive]

what i said remains true. i don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me here

clearly you don’t understand the concept of system variables and how changing a python dictionary doesn’t magically perform an io operation and edits the os’s system environment variables. stop being ridiculous.

[tulip dock]

If you decided that outright, based on nothing, why answer at all? To make yourself seem smart? "os.environ is not actually the OS environ". Good job, you couldn't possibly have made this more terse or less enlightening

I'm fine, I've found https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/302970/why-doesnt-unsetenv-modify-proc-pid-environ which goes into the details of the layout of the environment variables

I'm just puzzled as to why you would bother reading questions here if you only do it to provide unhelpful cryptic remarks

I get it, I've been a 17 year old on PHP-BB forums and IRC, at the top of the sandbox providing terse comments to make myself look smart. You'll come to regret it too

"and?", come on

[main olive]

1: it’s just common sense.
2: i literally answered your question. if you think this matter is about pride, then you’re mistaken.
3: you’re angry for no reason.

[tulip dock]

You answered nothing. Compare to the StackOverflow answer

[main olive]

what?

what was your question then? i literally answered it. did you want me to babysit you through the process of grasping that os.environ is just a mutable copy of the actual env?

[tulip dock]

What you could have said is "changing Python's os.environ calls libc's unsetenv but that doesn't remove it from memory provided by the kernel". Instead you mentioned "OS" and "environment" like it meant something specific

you managed to craft the tersest, most inscrutable answer that is technically right without revealing any information

well done

[main olive]

so u mean i was supposed to babysit you?

[tulip dock]

You didn't have to do anything

you chose to be cryptic

[main olive]

just ask a more specific question in the first place

[tulip dock]

My question was extremely specific, with the specific code I used and the specific result I observed

[main olive]

HOW is it cryptic to infer in plain english that modifying os.environ doesn’t modify the actual env provided to u by the os?

[tulip dock]

what is "the actual env"? What is "the OS"?

[main olive]

i’m done here, clearly you love wasting time arguing about nothing

[tulip dock]

os, the Python module? Actual env, os.environ?

libc's idea of it? The kernel's idea of it? /proc's idea of it?

I suspect you didn't know and still don't

[main olive]

1: up to you, whether you want to refer to the process’ env (located in /proc) or to the system wide one (/etc/environment)

[tulip dock]

Up to me to build my own answer? Thanks

[main olive]

2: operating system, i will refer to modules now with highlighting

[tulip dock]

I specifically said "/proc/nnn/environ"

I didn't say "the OS" or "the environment"

[main olive]

my goodness.

[main olive]

i was clarifying what i meant.

[opaque ginkgo]

implying os.environ is a regular dict

(it's not)

[tulip dock]

I see, that's what you thought it was @main olive. That is why I provided this link: https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.html#os.environ

It you had read it instead of saying "and?" you would know it is not "just a mutable copy of the actual env"

[tiny lava]

sometimes the only way to win is to not play at all

[serene cedar]

Hi Im learning abt sys calls currently and I dont get what actually happens when the cpu needs to execute some kind of system call instruction. They say it sends that sys call to the kernel but what does that actually mean for the cpu?

[tulip dock]

On modern processors there's an instruction specifically for that

you put the arguments in registers, do syscall <some number> and the CPU will pause your thread and jump to a routine in the kernel that's designated to handle that syscall number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_call#Typical_implementations

https://blog.packagecloud.io/eng/2016/04/05/the-definitive-guide-to-linux-system-calls/

[silent hare]

so this interrupt makes it jump to a new memory location (new instruction)?

[tulip dock]

it also switches out the execution context and the security level

the kernel has more permissions that regular processes (can read everyone's memory and talk to hardware directly) and uses a separate memory space (it doesn't mess with your process' stack etc)

[silent hare]

Wdym by execution context?

[tulip dock]

the virtual memory layout for example

[silent hare]

So it switches to the memory space of the kernel?

[tulip dock]

yes

[silent hare]

Yeah u have to do a sys call everytime u want to do some i/o right?

[tulip dock]

Pretty much. There are things like io_uring trying to do more work with fewer system call, because this context switch takes time

[silent hare]

How does it know though which routine to jump to? Like u said the number identifies it but how does it know on what line these instructions can be find in the memory space of the kernel?

[silent hare]

Yeah I can imagine

[tulip dock]

The kernel gives the CPU a table that says where those are

[silent hare]

Wdym give the cpu it? Does it save it in its cache or?

[tulip dock]

there are other "interrupts" in there, telling the CPU what to do if the process crashes or something

[silent hare]

Ah ok

[tulip dock]

yes there's some internal memory in the CPU that stores this

[silent hare]

How does the os make sure that its continuously run?

Like in order to schedule new processes and stuff

[tulip dock]

there's a timer in the CPU, giving back control to the kernel every few microseconds

or hundreds of microseconds rather

[silent hare]

Where does the cpu know though that it needs to give control back to the kernel? Like where is written that every so and so ms u need to run the os processes again?

[silent hare]

So like a hardware timer? does it update with the cpu clock speed or?

[tulip dock]

yeah you write to some special CPU register and it will call an interrupt when the time comes

[silent hare]

Ahh ok

another question if u dont mind....

[tulip dock]

the nitty-gritty is complicated and you can find it in the CPU manuals. You can't really use those registers anyway unless you're writing a kernel yourself

[silent hare]

Does the os block u if u try to write onto it or what does happen?

[tulip dock]

yes

the CPU knows what permission level it is running at. User-space processes can't use those

[silent hare]

Ahh ok, how does it know though?

[tulip dock]

When the kernel switches control to a process, it sets the permission level

it also restores the memory mapping that process was using before, and its registers

[silent hare]

So I assume the current permission level also gets saved in some special register?

[tulip dock]

the only way to go back to the kernel is an interrupt (or syscall)

yep

[silent hare]

In the meantime while the program is not getting executed does it save them in the programs memory space?

[tulip dock]

no the kernel has special space to keep track of that

[silent hare]

Ah ok

[tulip dock]

it keeps track of what files you have opened, what user started the process, its priority, all kinds of things

[silent hare]

What do you mean by what files opened? Like the user or the program?

[tulip dock]

Yeah, when you use a syscall to open /home/dragojak/file.txt, it needs to know if you have the right to open that file. So it has a user ID associated with the process to do that

if you can open it, it's going to give you a number or "file descriptor". For example 3. Then you can do write(3, "hello"), and the OS will know which file that was that is number 3

maybe you don't have permission to write to it, so you opened it in read-only mode, and the kernel is keeping track of that. It would be bad if the information about it was in the process's memory, it could change it to "read-write". Instead the kernel keeps track of it and only gives you a number for it

[silent hare]

Is this id the PID and does the kernel have some kind of ranges like these ids can access this and this and starting from this id not anymore? Since when I was looking into my task manager and looked a bit at the PID's of programms they were kind of ranked, so all the os processes had really know numbers starting from 0 or 1 I dont remember

[tulip dock]

PID is the number of the process

they are just used to identify the process, like if you want to kill one of them

[silent hare]

Yeah thats true

[tulip dock]

in addition the process has a user ID and group ID. It will be in a different column if you use ps or top

[silent hare]

Ah ok

Whats the group ID used for?

[tulip dock]

mostly accessing files

[silent hare]

So like ranges?

[tulip dock]

no, usually a file belongs to a single user and a single group

if you're that user or in that group, yes, otherwise, no

[silent hare]

What do you mean by ps or top?

[tulip dock]

the commands to list processes

[silent hare]

so users in this group have access to these files etc.?

[tulip dock]

yep

[silent hare]

so I assume there arent that many groups right?

[tulip dock]

as many as you want

so OS have a limit of 65535, I think on modern Linux it's way more than that

I have 89 on my laptop

[silent hare]

Oh okay, are the os processes also in a group?

[tulip dock]

usually multiple groups

[silent hare]

Shouldnt they all have access to every file (the os processes) ? Or are the groups also used for something different?

[tulip dock]

Of course everybody shouldn't have access to every file

multiple people can share a machine

[silent hare]

No I meant the os processes, shouldnt they all have access to every file?

Not the user mode processes

[tulip dock]

On UNIX there's a special user ID 0 called "root". This one has access to every file

they are still user-space processes

the kernel itself does whatever. It doesn't need to use system call and it doesn't have user IDs

it usually acts on behalf of a specific process though

[silent hare]

Oh okay

Lets say I would create such a group, do I put in a bunch of file descriptors and say this group has access to those and nothing else or...?

[tulip dock]

Ownership is set on files not file descriptors

it's stored on disk alongside the name of the file, its size, the last time it was accessed, etc

[silent hare]

Ahh ok

[tulip dock]

In the basic permissions, there's only one user and one group that own a given file

there is an extended "ACL" system that allows to give specific permissions to multiple users and groups for each file

really you can read about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File-system_permissions#Traditional_Unix_permissions and experiment on any UNIX

[silent hare]

Ah ic thanks!

[silent hare]

Is that like a basic group? Is the user in that group?

[tulip dock]

the user associated with a file doesn't have to be in the group associated with the file, no

[silent hare]

So how does the user have access to it?

[tulip dock]

really you should read about this

[silent hare]

Yeah thats true thank you really much for the time you took, to explain me all this!

[tulip dock]

if you're the user, you have the user permissions (for example: read-write). If you're in the group, you have the group permissions (for example: read only). If you're non of these, you have the other permissions (for example: none)

[silent hare]

Ah okay

[sour hound]

Is there a place I can find embeddable python packages for linux similar to the windows embeddable packages found on https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3102/

[lavish storm]

shouldn't need to, do it through your package manager

usually bleeding edge rolling release distributions get them quicker than staged release distributions (i.e. can't expect to get 3.10 on debian stable until next stable)

[sour hound]

while using the package manager generally works, I have a specific need for embeddable packages. Alternatives won't solve for what I'm trying to do 😦 (that I know of)

[lavish storm]

what is the need?

and what's your distro

[real vapor]

what are you actually trying to do?

[sturdy plaza]

Hi o/

I'm making a game in python and I need help with macOS builds/build scripts for macOS. I'm specifically looking for someone who knows macOS's file structure (where certain things are stored, how they're stored, etc.), python development in a macOS environment (optional but would be nice), and the zsh shell.

If anyone is interested, ping me!

[still flame]

Cool.

OP

I use Arch with KDE

Currently booted in Neon though

I have multiple operating systems lol

Had 5 yesterday, deleted 2.

Cool.

Never tried WMs that much except once in BlackArch Full

Fluxbox

Lmao Arch with BlackArch Mirror is best

But then comes SysToOmDeE haters

Happened with me too but I fixed somehow

BlackArch COMES BROKEN BY DEFAULT

[still flame]

Somehow I fix it lol

Or just trust the repo by default

Without GPG

Cuz we know blackarch is safe

Yeah

Lmao I installed very few things

Wifite, Metasploit, JohnTheRipper, etc.

Lmao I've given up on VMs

XD

Everyone installs it lmao

But installing postgresql in Arch was pain in the ||ass||.

Wha-

I didn't know this BTW

TF

What the

Don't say Impacket

👀

Why do we need BlackArch Repo then-

That doesn't work normally, needs the Jar File Version anyways

I don't install that from repository

tf

Yeah Ik

Yeah

john the ripper GUI never worked in arch for me btw.

I don't think I need even lol

Is GUI Actually needed for these?

XHydra, Jhonny, etc.

Lol then why do they exist even

A guy who would know to operate it would know terminology for sure

No need of GUI

Btw is there any way to make Wifite work on 5 GHz Bands?

Understood that the moment I understood how everything in linux works lol

[still flame]

It's all just a collection of processes executed in shell either automatically or manually.

I didn't even try to know.

Lol

Lemme google it now

wifite --5ghz

[still flame]

Okay why didn't I google that for so many months

I had no interest in cybersecurity after Linux attracted me.

Yeah but postgresql makes it faster I've heard

Literally, documentation?

:)

Btw immediate help

sudo pip3 install comtypes

from comtypes import CLSCTX_ALL

[still flame]

Run this in python

And tell me if you get any error

Doesn't come but somehow metasploit uses it if it's available.

Though I don't know exactly how

🥲

Found that now

doas?

doas needs to be enabled?

How to exploit it?

Yeah but in what ways?

Okay currently in KDE Neon so I'm in sudo group

Any single blog?

A Website kind of thing, not a video

I don't like to watch videos tbh about tech

I learn from sites

Is it patched?

Checking

Cool

Bug was found in 2011

It might've been fixed by now.

[main olive]

linux keeps crashing and it's reducing my will to live

i can't even be bothered

[main olive]

no error, the container just doesn't load at all

i've wiped my pc like 4 times in the past 6 hours

but i think i've found a fix

[ember quiver]

There should still be some kind of error in the docker log

[sour hound]

Provide a hermetic installation to my Bazel project. Something that Bazel can download and guarantee users haven't poisoned it by installing dependencies.

[real vapor]

oh god, bazel on windows?

wait

no, you wanted a linux equivalent, right

[real vapor]

appimage maybe?

[sour hound]

Well, Bazel for linux and windows

what's appimage?

[sour hound]

There's already a solution for windows, it seems. With the existing embeddable package

[real vapor]

https://appimage.org/

this could be relevant https://github.com/niess/python-appimage

[thin berry]

can anyone tell me how i can put a code in crontab which is going to be executed and printed in my terminal every minute?
pwd == /home/linuxuser/string.sh
|
V
#!bin/bash
echo "hello"

crontab
*/1 * * * * /home/linuxuser/string.sh

this is what i have so far

ps. im running this as root

[dapper musk]

while you can do this with crontab doing this that way would be unnesecary complex

you should just add your script with while sleep to your bashrc and make it run in background

[ember quiver]

If you do want to do this with cron instead of how Hodd suggests, for every minute I think it's all plain *, no /1

[autumn wing]

If the application is not in the crontab, the common way to ensure it is started after the host is rebooted, would be a systemd service, which can be arguably even more complex than the entry in the crontab.

[dapper musk]

script in bashrc will be executed when bash shell is started so it will survive reboots. crontab entries initsystem services etc would require finding stdout of the shell which is achievable preaty easyly hover it is still harder than simple loop and well it might break something cause it would work with non interactive shell also

[strange pagoda]

would you guys say it’s worth setting up a nice dev environment with vim + tmux etc instead of using a standard IDE/text editor?

I mean I guess it comes down to preference really, but I’m curious

[real vapor]

I don't use tmux unless I need a persistent session like over ssh

If you want to try out vim I can recommend trying to use vim for like a week until you get a hang of it and then you can decide if it's a good feel for you

[autumn wing]

The bashrc is evaluated way more often, for instance every time a terminal is opened or a remote SSH session is established. This is not a good way.

[real vapor]

it's a powerful editor, and I'm happy I ended up using it, but it's not for everyone

[autumn wing]

There's a big difference in functionality between using a text editor vs an IDE. While VIM can be very handy (also with tmux), you'd need to invest a lot of time into

1. Learning VIM and
2. Configuring VIM so that you might get the functionality of an IDE inside it.

Only if you don't want to have IDE features in VIM like comprehensive refactoring, debugging, etc, it will not be a big overhead in learning/configuring it, although it will still take you time to learn it. However, the time is well spend should you ever need to edit files on Unix like systems, where a Vim seems to be used prevalently.

[ember quiver]

I use both depending on the task. I often have one major project open in PyCharm while I'm doing other things outside of it

I personally use emacs a lot, mostly because I can't live without org-mode

But emacs can't do everything PyCharm does and to even get close requires a lot of customization

[strange pagoda]

ive been using linux a lot more recently and getting comfortable with command line. I use neovim to edit most config files quite comfortably, but don't know many binds other than that

I mainly use vscode as an editor as i am just a student with no real preference, and i quite like working in the terminal

[dapper musk]

well that is what he want. printing line of text each minute whem shen shell is opened. in additon to that init system service crontab etc would do the same - ability to recognize when runing interactivly

[real vapor]

with language servers it's not so hard to get a lot of IDE features for a lot of languages, including code actions for refactoring for good language servers

[autumn wing]

I admit it is an option which I wouldn't prefer, but I also wouldn't like to see messages on my console every minute 🤷‍♂️

[gritty cipher]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70824713/increasing-tkinter-clarity-on-linux-osx

[onyx marsh]

How to install python 3.9 with pip in linux vps? I'm using ubuntu 20 vps

I try use apt install python3.9 but i didnt get the pip

[wise forge]

https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-python-3-9-on-ubuntu-20-04/
just a bit of googling

keywords "ubuntu (preferably ubuntu version) python 3.9 install"

[onyx marsh]

I just reinstall my vps. When i try to use that tutorial, i only get pip for python 3.8

[wise forge]

pip3.9 --version ?
python3.9 --version

😁

[onyx marsh]

for python it self is ok. But i didnt get any pip for python3.9

[wise forge]

because pip3.9 is not installed 😉

[onyx marsh]

I'm asking how to install it. there's no such as apt-get install pip3.9

[wise forge]

apt-get -y install python3.9-pip

[wise forge]

sudo apt install python3.9-distutils

?

wait

🤔

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65644782/how-to-install-pip-for-python-3-9-on-ubuntu-20-04

nvm, install global pip3.9 if you wish

I just thought

you don't really need pip3.9 being installed globally

installl apt install python3.9-venv

create venv

pip3.9 will be inside of it, nobody really needs global pip3 anyway

python3.9 -m pip --version btw this can check is it was installed already

[onyx marsh]

oh. okay. that can help little bit.

[onyx marsh]

it exists. well, how to add it globally? if possible. couse typing python3.9 -m pip everytime so inefficient

[wise forge]

creating alias is an option

alias pip3=python3.9 -m pip
alias pip=python3.9 -m pip

add it into your .bashrc file of profile in order to be persistent between sessions

[onyx marsh]

Hoo. ok. thanks for your help

[wise forge]

although if u used venv it would not be an issue

inside venv it is done automatically

[onyx marsh]

nah. my vps will only for 1 group app. so all deps are connected. also, i only a few app in there. But i still use venv when dev on my local

[wise forge]

you should start using docker

it does not make sense to install dependencies to remote host, besides the docker

[compact flume]

I m trying to deploy a python app, I want it to make it as an installable with its own python package and dependency. It will be used in ubuntu and CentOs. Can any one point me to right direction on how to make It

I have heard about deb for ubuntu, is there any other recommended way?

[ember quiver]

You could make a distribution package https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/tutorials/packaging-projects/

[compact flume]

I want my client not worry about which python to use or pacakge to install. I wanted it to be like an exe (just a reference), they install it and a copy python 3.10.2 is made and it ll be installed along side it.

Something like that

[ember quiver]

I think a deb would probably work (for Ubuntu) like this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17401381/debianzing-a-python-program-to-get-a-deb

[compact flume]

Any idea about centos? Fedora

[ember quiver]

For CentOS similar idea with rpm

Fedora too

[compact flume]

Okay! Thanks. I think deb will satisfy for raspberry pi's

Will take a look at CentOS

👍

[main olive]

you can try this sudo apt install python3-pip

[wise forge]

That will install wrong one

The best way actually just to use docker

Installing to bare metal python, has a point only for Dev env

[main olive]

okey :3

[compact saddle]

I’ve installed jetpack and zed2 sdk on tx2 then i restart tx2 but it couldn’t start and give a crash screen. I can use terminal with ctrl+alt+f2. How can i fix this problem?

[rugged swift]

Maybe you need to update your kernel version?

[still flame]

I can feel you bro

[compact saddle]

How can i do

[rugged swift]

Sorry, I'll definitely help you if I could. But what I only know about the error is that there's a systemd feature that doesn't supported by the current installed kernel. I never had the opportunity to own a Jetson device, so I'm not sure what to do. Hope you can find a solution for the issue.

[flint cape]

is it possible to run python on a IMB computer?

[lavish storm]

i'm not sure what that is

[wispy ingot]

I installed Python using the source code and it installed the folder in /home/dan, and the actual binary is in /usr/local/bin. Is this normal?

[lavish storm]

the one in /usr/local/bin is probably the one that comes with your system i.e. the one that is managed through your package manager

was there a reason for compiling python from source?

[pearl hill]

You could try using docker

Should be prefect for Deploying apps

[compact flume]

Hmmm! I m sure client will not be willing to buy any more software 😋

[pearl hill]

It's free 🤨

What kind of app you have?

[wise forge]

is it web project or regular app

if regular app, you could be potentially wishing for pyinstaller https://pypi.org/project/pyinstaller/

it can pack you application into binary with python included

although tbh, docker is much more convinient for unix even in case of regular apps

because regular apps need to have build binaries for different systems

to resolve it without docker, pip does it for you with some sort of wheel magic I have no idea how works

docker solve the issues of all dependencies... well, except for docker itself

[pearl hill]

It's easy to install tho

[wise forge]

yeah, even if he would go pip method, he would still need installed python ecosystem

he would need to install at apt level to be building without it

if he wished more convenience

but apt and other package managers are unique to different linux OSes

docker has no such issues

it is everywhere 😉

[pearl hill]

If it's something like a web app docker is a better choice than pyinstaller

Otherwise if it's meant to be interacted with directly pyinstaller(if it can be used to build Linux executables) is a better choice

But since you said 'deploy' it's probably something like a web app 🤔

[compact flume]

I belive they changed their policies

[compact flume]

It is a standaed app not a web app.

[wise forge]

They did not (they did but only for GUI for Windows)

[compact flume]

Oh ! I guess I got confused.

Thanks @pearl hill @wise forge

[sonic plover]

hello i've been using cv2 library on raspberry pi to display a live video on a website however it only allows one connection at a time

if a second device tries to open the site the other one freezes and i get an error on the raspi

[sonic plover]

is this impossible to solve

[formal schooner]

what error do you get on the raspberry pi?

[shy junco]

Hello, Can I get help with linux please, Im trying to create a bind file and Im getting a syntex error

[digital haven]

is there a version of less that, instead of being able to search/jump/highlight using / will actually filter out all results on the screen?

so if i did other-less file.txt where file.txt contained logs with days of the week, typing /monday would only show monday on the screen

[main olive]

!/usr/bin/env bash
git commit -u -m "$@"

why does "$@" only inserting the first argument?

./file.sh word1 word2 
[master 82899a1] word1

[dapper musk]

try & instead of / in less

[real vapor]

you want "$*". $@ is an array, so in your case "$@" expands to two arguments "$1" "$2"

[ember quiver]

grep

[digital haven]

Interactive?

[silent hare]

Hi, when does a process release a lock of a file thats getting edited by it? When its finished or when its currently not being run?

[main olive]

ah that worked thank you

[trail sapphire]

it depends on how the program is written and a bit on the operating system
there are different kind of locks (advisory, mandatory, read, write and more)
typically the program will release the lock when the process no longer has a file handle for the file in question, usually when it closes the file
do you have a more specific program/environment and use case in mind?

[silent hare]

Not really no, I was just watching a course about os, so I wondered
Thanks!

[main olive]

can someone help me with this? i have arch linux and when i try to open my voice assistant i get this error

[ember quiver]

This looks relevant: https://askubuntu.com/questions/557906/problem-starting-jack-server-jack-server-is-not-running-or-cannot-be-started

[main olive]

I did this but nothing

[neon olive]

I get these errors also but if it starts to say "Listening..." then it is working. Don't worry and just start speaking

[main olive]

Yes but the voice is so bad.. it's like it doesn't know English it cannot read some words like vocabulary..

If this isn't the error then what? Why is this happening

@neon olive

[neon olive]

No idea

Mine works just fine even with those errors

[brittle crest]

Hello, on my Ubuntu server, I have separate screens set up for different processes that I have running, so I can easily access their consoles. Is there a way for a Python script to write to and enter (aka I'm assuming just print) lines on my different screens' consoles?

[ember quiver]

I just did a quick search, this looks promising: https://gist.github.com/jdevera/909552/de5a96e0d4eecb12bcb9178688dc3fcdde06cf85

[brittle crest]

Thanks, looks like that's what I need! Appreciate it!

[main olive]

Can you send me your code? Not the commands or something just put one command with hello. I just want to run it in my laptop to see if my code is just bad or my laptop.

[neon olive]

It might take me some time to find it. If you want then I can run your code on my Linux machine and tell you if it's working or not.

Whichever seems more convenient to you

[main olive]

Okay wait I will send it now

[main olive]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/axozobuhes.py this is my code a part of them.. just hear how bad it will read this article at the startup.

[neon olive]

Okay

[worldly trail]

WHAT is unix

[main olive]

when you run it tell me

[velvet rose]

UNIX is an operating system that is no longer used, but several operating system's are based off of it including Max OSX and Linux

[worldly trail]

Ohk got it thank you sir

[neon olive]

Sorry. I was just about to turn in for the night.

[velvet rose]

No problem :>

[main olive]

Guys im on the new Mac shall i upgrade to Linux (Ubuntu or Unix)

[main olive]

Okay no problem just send me a message when you run it and tell me if all is okay to you

[opaque ginkgo]

unix isn't a specific os

it's a family of related os's

Including linuxes, macos, bsd, among others

[main olive]

ok

i meant

debian

[amber anvil]

How can I see the way in which Unix Kernel encodes my scripts into binary

[summer trail]

That's not a thing the Unix kernel does at all.

Scripts are either compiled by a userland compiler, or interpreted by a userland interpreter.

[hearty saddle]

i saw this in a yt tutorial. what does the first line "...............using bash in environments" mean. I'm a beginner and only know abt using pip directly in mac's UNIX terminal. what do the words "bash" and "coreys emac" and "in environments" mean ( i think i know what bash is tho) where are they using pip here? i oly see the $ sign. the username and pc name is usually shown in ther mac terminal rt?
Image

[gusty pewter]

it asked me to update pip
i did so
and after that it goes unrecognized internal/external command
when i try installing a package

can someone help

[formal schooner]

were you using pip associated with the os-installed python package? if so, reinstall. you probably messed it up. never invoke pip as root

[gusty pewter]

no

i used it for

mysql connector thingy

so wat do i do now

reinstall?

[formal schooner]

show the output of which pip

"mysql connector thingy" is just a package that you install using pip

[formal schooner]

pip itself is a program

what does which pip show? what command did you run when you attempted to upgrade pip? are you working inside a venv?

i really think linux distros should patch pip to simply fail when invoked with sudo

that or pip itself should fail when it is run as root, unless you pass an --i-know-that-what-i-am-doing-is-dangerous flag

[gusty pewter]

i cant find which version is installed it keeps throwing unrecognized error

[gusty pewter]

i never did atg like that

[formal schooner]

i am specifically asking what you did do

[gusty pewter]

its not under

[formal schooner]

you are just showing me small snippets

describe in detail what you did, and what happened at each step

[gusty pewter]

bro i used pip install python-mysql-connector

it was downloading smtng for 2mb

then stopped at like 800kb odd

and gave me a directory path and was like use this command to

upgrade

to a newer version

i just copied it removed single quotes

it installed and thats it

is this enuf info?

[formal schooner]

are you on windows? linux? mac?

what does which pip show on the command line? as i asked before

[gusty pewter]

win 10

[formal schooner]

i see. #unix does not include windows 10, hence my confusion. normally you would want to ask this in #tools-and-devops or a help channel, as per #❓｜how-to-get-help

[gusty pewter]

mybad

[formal schooner]

regarding your attempts at running other commands: you might benefit from knowing how the command line works

the first "word" is a program to execute

the other "words" are all passed to that program to be handled

so i hope you can guess why -m pip --version by itself is not a valid command... it is looking for the program called -m, which obviously doesn't exist

im not sure what the error about the "invalid distribution" is -- that almost seems like a bug in the py launcher or pip itself

definitely do not use easy_install - it hasn't been useful or relevant for 10+ years, and if you see it in any documentation, it means that documentation is ancient and not to be trusted

from this output, it actually looks like everything is fine

try py -m pip --version

[gusty pewter]

ok ty

[real portal]

what exactly does this do?
sed '/.*hello.sh.*/a sh /root/hello2.sh' /etc/hello3 > /etc/hello4

[formal schooner]

sed is a program

/.*hello.sh.*/a sh /root/hello2.sh is the first argument passed to that program

/etc/hello3 is the second argument passed to that program

> /etc/hello4 is not an argument passed to the program; > means "redirect output to this file"

that's how to read the command, at least

so > /etc/hello4 redirects stdout to /etc/hello4

the 2nd argument to sed is always a filename, so sed $sed_script /etc/hello3 applies some sed script to the file /etc/hello3

finally, you probably want to know what the sed script /.*hello.sh.*/a sh /root/hello2.sh does

for which i will pull up the sed manual, so that i don't give you the wrong answer

i will say right off the bat that i think this program only works in GNU sed, and i think only recent-ish versions thereof

you can break all sed commands into 2 parts: a "pattern" followed by a "command"

the pattern in this case is /.*hello.sh.*/, which probably should be /.*hello\.sh.*/, which means "zero or more of any character, followed by hello.sh, followed by zero or more of any character", which is just equivalent to /hello\.sh/, because the patterns don't have to match full lines

the pattern filters lines, so that the following sed command only applies to matching lines

therefore, this program applies the a command to all lines containing hello.sh

a sh /root/hello2.sh means "insert a new line after this line, containing the text sh /root/hello2.sh"

so this program looks for every line containing hello.sh, and inserts a line after it containing sh /root/hello2.sh

this is honestly kind of a weird thing to do, but that's what the program does

so putting it all together: this command line opens /etc/hello3, looks for all lines containing hello.sh and inserts after each of those lines a new line containing sh /root/hello2.sh, and finally saves the output to /etc/hello4

note that this usage of the a command is a GNU extension

the command that is "portable" to other versions is a\

i recommend reading the manual if you need more information: https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/html_node/Other-Commands.html#Other-Commands

example:

$ gsed '/b/a quack quack' <<< $'a\nb\nc'
a
b
quack quack
c

[real portal]

ah okay
/etc/hello4 is a script that runs at certain times
since the sh /root/hello2.sh string itself and not the contents of sh /root/hello2.sh is saved to /etc/hello4 as output, if /root/hello2.sh no longer exists, sh /root/hello2.sh won't properly run in /etc/hello4, right?

what a confusing command 😅

thanks for the explanation!

[formal schooner]

fwiw i think it's only confusing because it's a confusing thing to want to do

[formal schooner]

yes

im not sure that sed has the ability to insert a file into another file

you can however do that pretty easily with python!

[real portal]

ah, it's already in the codebase and I'm trying to do something similar

[formal schooner]

well you can tell whoever wrote it that their regex should be /hello\.sh/ instead of /*.hello.sh.*/

the first one is less confusing and more correct because it properly escapes the .

if you want to actually inject the contents of the file, it would be something like this, save to inject_hello2.py:

import sys

with open('/root/hello2.sh') as fp:
    hello2_contents = fp.read()

input_lines = [line.strip() for line in sys.stdin]
for line in input_lines:
    print(line)
    if 'hello.sh' in line:
        print(hello2_contents)

and invoke as:

python ./inject_hello2.py < /etc/hello3 > /etc/hello4

[real portal]

ahh, I see
thanks! I can't do that exact thing in my scenario, but I can maybe do something similar

[formal schooner]

do note @real portal that the. builtin (also called source in bash) does execute a script line-by-line as if you had injected it

so maybe you can replace sh /root/hello2.sh with . /root/hello2.sh

sh /root/hello2.sh will fork off a separate process and run /root/hello2.sh in a separate shell

whereas . /root/hello2.sh will run the contents of /root/hello2.sh right in the current shell process

so maybe that is good enough

[primal snow]

Howdy folks. I'm on Raspbian Bullseye. I just reinstalled python3 via sudo apt-get install python3 and pip via sudo apt-get install python3-pip. However pip install python-setuptools returns

Looking in indexes: https://pypi.org/simple, https://www.piwheels.org/simple
ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement python-setuptools (from versions: none)
ERROR: No matching distribution found for python-setuptools
 (edited)```

[lavish beacon]

Can someone help me with some basic bash stuff

[neon olive]

You would have to update it manually

Should I send you a link to the instructions?

NVM

Here's the link

https://raspberrytips.com/install-latest-python-raspberry-pi/

[inner shadow]

specify what you need help with and i'll help

[main olive]

I want to write a C++ script which does the following

When the mouse is plugged in, and your script is run, it will print “mouse is present” when the mouse is unplugged and the script is run, it will say “mouse is not present”.

I understand that running "tail -f /var/log/dmesg | grep -i USB" from script will give me instances of usb in the log on the terminal.

Does the mouse have a unique name in the log?

If yes then should I just do a simple search in the "/var/log/dmesg" file and look for the name of the mouse?

If not then how can I tell if my mouse is plugged in or not?

[real vapor]

if you want to stuff on plug-in/plug-out you can look at udev rules

[arctic coral]

Is there a way to detect when a new process starts in an interruptive way ?

My current approach is continuously running ps and watching for changes

[turbid bramble]

guys does anyone use a macbook and can tell me how to set the python path to /Users/MYUSERNAME/Library/Python/3.8/bin

I'm getting this error

[summer trail]

What does this print?

echo $SHELL

I think that will print "zsh" (or something ending in "zsh"), and if it does you can do:

echo 'PATH=/Users/Username/Library/Python/bin:$PATH' >>~/.zshrc

and then restart your terminal

[turbid bramble]

Thank you. Gladly I found a way yesterday. Never used Python on a Mac before 😄

[brazen aurora]

Hey everyone! I'm having a problem with making a daemon with python. I was testing out how it works with this code:

#!/usr/bin/python3
import time
from daemon import runner   
import os 

class App():
    def __init__(self):
        self.stdin_path = '/dev/null'
        self.stdout_path = '/dev/tty'
        self.stderr_path = '/dev/tty'
        self.pidfile_path =  '/tmp/foo.pid'
        self.pidfile_timeout = 5

    
    def run(self):
        while True: # Main Loop
            os.system('notify-send testing')
            time.sleep(5)

app = App()
daemon_runner = runner.DaemonRunner(app)
daemon_runner.do_action()

However when run (using python3 app.py start), it returns an error:

  File "data-collect-daemon.py", line 21, in <module>
    daemon_runner = runner.DaemonRunner(app)
  File "/home/franklin/.local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/daemon/runner.py", line 114, in __init__
    self._open_streams_from_app_stream_paths(app)
  File "/home/franklin/.local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/daemon/runner.py", line 133, in _open_streams_from_app_stream_paths
    self.daemon_context.stdout = open(app.stdout_path, 'w+t')
io.UnsupportedOperation: File or stream is not seekable.

Anyone know what might be causing this? I'm running it on Linux Mint 20.2

[stray prism]

Research process hooks see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/262098/hook-action-on-process-creation

[summer trail]

The problem is that you're trying to make stdout and stderr go to the terminal, and one of the steps involved in daemonizing is detaching from the terminal

[brazen aurora]

Thx for the tip! I have solved the issue.

[real vapor]

I hope you're not converting pngs to jpg just to have a consistent format

oh wow, some of these are actually large enough that I can crop for use on my ultrawide

I'm just asking since converting from png to jpg is always a bad idea quality wise

well, not the same, unless you use some jpeg variant that support lossless compression

that's the thing, for pngs you wouldn't convert them

png is lossless, it is exactly the image that you saved as the png

jpeg is lossy, it throws away some information when compressing

most of the time it's fine, like for a lot of
photography, but for other stuff jpg is just a bad choice, images with sharp edges (e.g. text and other clear shapes) you see very clear artifacts from compression

if you're ok with throwing away some quality then converting is fine

For my own wallpapers I would just keep the original format of the image

I'm just pointing this out since there seems to be a lot of people who don't know the big difference between png and jpg. lossless vs lossy. For some stuff jpeg is for sure the right choice since you can get file size down a lot, and for stuff with a lot going on like photos they tend to look just fine

png can be a lot better compression for simple images with a bunch of kinda solid colors, and as said it will never throw away any info

e.g. this is a small detail on the second image in your readme, a sharp edge, you can see the squares with noise that come from the jpg compression

though this image is so large you're unlikely to notice

yes

jpeg has works on 8x8 chunks when compressing, and it tends to be quite recognizable in the portions where it throws away too much detail

arch since forever (2013 maybe?), it's just convenient when you have a setup you like, everything is always nice and up to date, which is nice to be able to play with new shiny programming tools

no

it's good at what it does for the stuff it work well for, like photos

granted there are new better formats, but it's unlikely they will catch on :/

yeah, organic photos that generally have a lot of small details going on

there generally is some noise already as well

[pure berry]

@rapid lake you suck

[rapid lake]

<@&831776746206265384> @pure berry insulted me

Why did you do that???

Can u ban him please?

[pure berry]

lmfao madlad pinged the mods 💀

[fallen panther]

both of you, if this is off server drama, please do not bring it here.

[rapid lake]

Hey what has this to do with me?

[fallen panther]

let me repeat, this conversation does not belong here. take it to dms or drop it.

[rapid lake]

One last word to @davidschi

[pure berry]

piss

[fallen panther]

!mute 464397750134374400

[shy yoke]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @pure berry until <t:1644251911:f> (59 minutes and 59 seconds).

[fallen panther]

!mute 489459090180014111

[shy yoke]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @rapid lake until <t:1644251916:f> (59 minutes and 59 seconds).

[fallen panther]

Not here.

[tulip dock]

Hmm I got a notification but I'm not sure why since it was directed at "Moderators"

[formal schooner]

it's possible that someone was going through the list of users and was pinging them

[urban hamlet]

gecko driver anyone? I'm on mac/unix and I'm "lost" with this? How to get my file system to find the correct path? Trying to finish up Auto-the-boringstuff with python. Does anyone here know what I am dealing with? I have had this problem come before. I understand the concept of the unix filesystem( root, absolute , relative, but I guess I don't know how to "look" at it? I just feel like I don't get ( there is some gap? ) that I am not understanding? Anyone have a website that can bridge why I'm not understanding ? I'd like to have a clear understanding of this so I can build my code with this in mind and not just keep hitting the wall of confusion?

[ember quiver]

What's the issue? What do you mean "get my file system to find the correct path"? You don't normally need to specify what path your driver is at but that will depend on exactly what your set up is (what OS for starters?)

[urban hamlet]

10.15.7 am getting this ( OSError: [Errno 30] Read-only file system: 'geckodriver.log' ) I've been around the stackOverflow text and youtube. I'm not understanding the PATH? I think? because I'm not able to see what the problem is and therefore not able to write any code, of fix a file that controls my 'PATH' to fix this? thanks for asking

[ember quiver]

I don't know what you're doing to get that error or what filesystem it's trying to write to, but as a workaround you can try sudo and see if that gives you a different error and/or is able to at least write that logfile.

[urban hamlet]

I tried that sudo work around, same outcome . Apologies that I'm doing a poor job explaining. I'm trying to use the Selenium module. Just was trying to write you a clearer explanation of what I am trying to do. And went to the website that has a lot of text I'm going to read up on now and see if I can make sense of what I need to do? https://www.browserstack.com/guide/selenium-webdriver-tutorial

all the best

sorry I think this is better? https://www.selenium.dev/documentation/webdriver/getting_started/install_drivers/

[main olive]

@urban hamlet

whats your code

you can post it here

!paste

[shy yoke]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[main olive]

exclude sensetive parts

and also whats the exact error message you are getting

[urban hamlet]

would it be a good idea to cut and paste my terminal output? Please let me know what is the Polite way to show the error. thank you

Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

from selenium import webdriver

browser = webdriver.Firefox()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/selenium/webdriver/firefox/webdriver.py", line 174, in init
self.service.start()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/selenium/webdriver/common/service.py", line 71, in start
self.process = subprocess.Popen(cmd, env=self.env,
File "/usr/local/Cellar/python@3.9/3.9.9/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.9/lib/python3.9/subprocess.py", line 951, in init
self._execute_child(args, executable, preexec_fn, close_fds,
File "/usr/local/Cellar/python@3.9/3.9.9/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.9/lib/python3.9/subprocess.py", line 1821, in _execute_child
raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg, err_filename)
NotADirectoryError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: 'geckodriver'

Thats got to be too much? correct?

[main olive]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

if you are on mac

do you have brew installed?

try typing brew and see if it works in terminal

[urban hamlet]

I do have brew install.

[ember quiver]

I can't help you with Mac but in general I run Selenium in Docker, find it way more reliable that way

[urban hamlet]

thanks mate

[urban hamlet]

i do have brew installed

[signal salmon]

Hi I like python and love linux

[main olive]

brew install geckodriver

as a normal user, so without sudo

[urban hamlet]

trying that. thank you

Wow! THAT WORKED!! Thats amazing.. so home-brew is "cleaning up"? I blown away that I couldn't find any solution like that(what you suggested) on a google search? My mind wants to "dig in" and find out why this was not working before? But I'm thinking that at this point as a beginner I should just "walk away " and learn about why this was a garbage experience later? I feel that it has something to do with filesystems ? and I don't have the technical knowledge to understand what I was reading?

I'm not clear if its fully "running" yet . trying a test program that's in a different directory now.

[main olive]

rm -r *

[main olive]

i am surprised you couldnt

brew is like a tool every developer on mac uses

to download and manage applications and programs

[main olive]

you can also run which geckodriver

which should print the path

to that file

you can then use that path in your python code

[north ember]

Can someone help me connecting to my raspberry pi?

I cant connect it to a monitor, except when using ssh, but ssh is off by default...

with ssh, I can use the raspberry pi
without a monitor, I cant see what im doing
so I wanna connect to it using ssh, since thats my only option

I prefer not buying even more things than I bought already, been waiting for a long time

[lavish hill]

You don't have an adapter available for your SD card?

[north ember]

not sure what it looks like

[delicate remnant]

And you don't have a monitor so you can set it in the desktop environment?

[north ember]

I got a monitor

but I cant connect the pi to it

[lavish hill]

They require those really hard to get adapters

[north ember]

^^

I dont have one of those: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics-speed-latest-standard-meters/dp/B014I8TVLI?th=1

this is what it needs

[delicate remnant]

I wouldn't say they're hard to get (got a few on my desk right now), but yeah I hear you.

[tulip dock]

You need either a SD card adapter or a monitor adapter, you won't be able to get started without either

[lavish hill]

I had to pay $70 for the adapter at some random shop <.<

[north ember]

can u show a pic of that? my dad might have one

[tulip dock]

none of that is $70 though

[lavish hill]

But I think RPI is bootable from USB also, just never tested

[delicate remnant]

With a certain firmware I believe, yeah.

[north ember]

yeahhhhh....

[lavish hill]

Wouldn't a bootable USB be enough?

[tulip dock]

this one is 4 UKcoins: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00TIF82ZI/

[north ember]

this pi costed me over €100 with all things I got for it, + fees

hold up

[delicate remnant]

Yeah you could set the SSH file on that. But I'm pretty sure you need to update firmware/settings through SD card first. They don't support it out of the box.

[north ember]

I think I got an adapter

It came in this thing😅

[lavish hill]

You may also be able to use the SD card slot in a phone

[north ember]

a phone???

lol

i dont think my phone has that

[lavish hill]

You only need an empty text file called SSH

[north ember]

anyways, how do I put this adapter in my pc?

[lavish hill]

Do you have the slot for it?

[north ember]

dont think so

but im pretty sure my dad's pc does

he is a photographer, so he would need one of those

can I unplug the microsd from the pi without turning it off?

[lavish hill]

I don't think I'd recommend that 😛

[tulip dock]

no

[north ember]

just add an empty txt file called SSH?

[lavish hill]

Default login after would be through:
ssh pi@raspberrypi with password raspberry I think

[north ember]

ok

@lavish hill so all I need to do is that file, and that will resolve all issues?

(my dad has to use his pc for his work atm, will do it somewhere later)

[lavish hill]

It's been a while since I did it, but I mean that I only put an empty file called SSH which should start openssh on boot, yeah.

[north ember]

alr

gonna go study rn a lil

[lavish hill]

Here's the docs on it, if you are interested: https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/remote-access.html#enabling-the-server

[north ember]

i'll take a look at it

how do you run py files on linux? 😅

and how to pip install

is it like a real 'pc' where I can download python?.

[lavish hill]

According to the docs it says no extension as in it needs to not be .txt. But at this forum post, it says it doesn't matter https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=129727#p1618498
Try to make it without extensions if you want to make sure it works ^^

[north ember]

it uses cogs

or what are we talking about? I'm kinda confused

[lavish hill]

You would install python with sudo apt install python3
Then you run python scripts with python3 filename.py
pip install works like normal

[north ember]

alr, thx

[urban hamlet]

I did that before... I think? that it was homebrew's "magic" that fixed it? 1st download was pip3 env. 2nd was Github. macos didn't "like" that. I moved over to my Airbook after getting firefox and chorme drivers to work on this machine. Again on that "new" machine (the airbook) the driver wouldn't open. It's still strange and wild to me that code that works on one machine with the same OS doesn't work on another machine. I can only think that is because the VERSIONS of software eg OS differences? This has been a good exercise and help me "see" what I am dealing with more?

[north ember]

@lavish hill

Is the SD card supposed to be empty

[lavish hill]

It's partitioned. What appears to you is only a FAT32 partition, while the rest is probably ext4

But yea, you just put the file on there still

[north ember]

I added the txt

Doesn't do anything yet tho

Error: connection timed out

[lavish hill]

Make sure you plug the raspberry pi in the router with a cable so it has network

[north ember]

it has

[lavish hill]

Also the file should be SSH not SSH.txt

[north ember]

no txt behind it?

damn it

[lavish hill]

Yeah that's what I tried pointing out xD

[north ember]

mb xd

lemme do it

[lavish hill]

Important that it's connected with a cable tho

[north ember]

it is

alr, changed it

[lavish hill]

It's supposed to be as easy as this

But if it does not have the hostname, it needs IP

[north ember]

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[delicate remnant]

No idea, don't use VNC.

[north ember]

well how do I do it else?

or did you want to say that you dont use vnc?

[rugged ledge]

Is netcat a program that comes with most linux distros?

[ember quiver]

Yes

[ember quiver]

SSH or plug in a monitor and keyboard

It's fine to use VNC when it works, but when it doesn't, those are your options

If connecting from a Windows or Mac host, I strongly prefer XRDP over VNC. It just works

[main olive]

So no issue anymore?

Brew is the most conventional way on macOS to download things, it doesn’t have everything but has most of the things a developer would need

[urban hamlet]

So far so good! Thanks for checking in! Please know that if you need to "let me go" and stop responding I'll understand. But I'd like to ask some more questions. Just starting to get used to using Git and Github to go btw two of my computers. Thats great I'd like to try Git with other people? but maybe I can just make a fake account and try branching? Sorry the Point and the Question I have it about pipenv and git / github? If I make an env and install all my versions and python version? does that ENV "load up" / add . commit . push " up to github and back down.. after I wrote this I just thought of how to check this. I should have just tried it and look at do the list command on the second computer to check?

[brisk falcon]

I honestly dont know if thats the right place to ask, but since its called #unix ... Could anyone help me at my errors I face compiling a source from an Android kernel with SELinux disabled?

[main olive]

i want to develop stuff on my desktop computer, what should i do to have access to a linux environment? windows is a pain for doing any development related stuff on and last time i was discouraged from dual booting something like ubuntu with windows. should i just use a vm?

i want to keep windows for some obvious reasons, mainly just app support.

[wise forge]

Wsl
Vm
Dual boot

I prefer installing different OSes to different SSDes

No issues of dual boot, but at the same time dual boot in result

[main olive]

I'm kind of completely over running two OSes on steel. I still do it, but I hate it, and the only thing that really keeps me here is the formatting of my drives file systems that would take a lot of work to stop doing it.

But... I also am very attached to a linux programming environment. WSL2 will be satisfying for many people, I think, but... there are occasions where it's lame. Any form of networking tools you might have used on a steel installation from a normal IP will be... not the same to use, not unless you get pretty clever. But... for most things, WSL2 is going to satisfy many people I think.

If you have the system to run it though... VMWare Workstation is awesome.

I would rather use a VMware workation VM for linux than do a dual boot if the machine is powerful enough and that kind of thing.

The power of snapshots and virtualization is just... pretty good once you have the right tools

A lot of people learn vms with virtualbox, which is basically just a toy by comparison

[wise forge]

In Linux I have available to me virt-manager, which is QEMU under the hood.

Quite powerful thing.

I made a freshly installed snapshot of Ubuntu 20.04

Then ran tools to strip it from specific settings, like networking, machine name.

Now I can clone it with result in a virtual machine that has each time new IP address, and can directly connect from one clone to its other clones

Sort of cheap imitation of VPS provider in local Dev environment

[main olive]

i just tried wsl2 and it's using the System V init system which is a real inconvenience for me

i just want something that works and won't have me re-learning everything, it's gonna interrupt what i actually want to spend time learning at the moment

might just dual boot at this point, though it's also awfully inconvenient and will be more so once i decide to switch os configuration

my second boot ssd got fried and i would just have to create two system partitions on my single ssd

does anyone have any gnu/linux distro recommendations?

i'm looking for a simple and workable gui with minimal utility apps

[summer trail]

WSL2 lets you install any distro you want. Just pick one that doesn't use a System V init if that's a major distro selection criteria for you.

[main olive]

it's not the distro, wsl2 just doesn't support anything other than system v init aparently

or something

such a pain in my ass, idk what's going on

[summer trail]

WSL2 is just a virtual machine that runs whatever userland code and kernel you tell it to.

[main olive]

System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
Failed to connect to bus: Host is down

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1379425/system-has-not-been-booted-with-systemd-as-init-system-pid-1-cant-operate

[summer trail]

Huh, I stand corrected. I didn't realize it injected its own init into the image

[main olive]

i think dual boot is it for me :(

[main olive]

I enjoyed dual boot for a very long time. Its mainly just that now I dont want to pick between one or the other anymore. But linux is definitely worth maining for a while even if you're not a lifer with it. I love linux, im just not in the mood to as much to tinker with things i dont need to tinker with haha.

I dont think linux would have had as much to teach me if i didnt learn it in isolation from the windows experience

or... i wouldnt have been as focused on it when i was

[main olive]

what? lol no its okay you can ask 1000 more questions, like if i didnt want to answer i wouldn't be coming here, it's literally the purpose of this server

and same goes for anyone else here that helps

[main olive]

i am unfamiliar with pipenv but i do user similar tools for environments in python
"does that ENV "load up" / add . commit . push" - your python/pip envs are not related to GIT in any way

python/pip environments are just about "python" and "python modules", they only come into play when you actually use python, whether that's launching a program with python myscript.py or just typing in python in the shell and opening an interactive python shell

git is a separate program

[ember quiver]

VM is not an option? Dual boot is such a PITA

[main olive]

i mean i guess i'll just install ubuntu or some other linux distro and run windows in a vm.

i don't really like dual booting

[ember quiver]

Dual booting is almost always the worst possible option. And really if you're not running a server and you're not looking to "rice" your desktop all day, just run Windows as your base OS and keep Linux in VMs.

I RDP into Linux VMs all day and it's a dream... When you run Linux on bare metal there are almost always hardware issues and other annoyances

[main olive]

i'm taking your word on this

although i'm gonna have to spend time learning about vms and how to use virtualbox now

[summer trail]

Linux on consumer desktops isn't so bad, but the Linux on laptops story has never been very good

[main olive]

i have a pretty good desktop pc, i don't think performance will be a big issue

[broken forum]

I have run GNU/Linux on desktop/laptop/servers for 20 years.
While I did bring bootable CDs 15 years ago to stores to ensure compatibility, it hasn't been any issue with any of the hardware I have bought over the last 15years. Compatibility with consumer hardware is a non-issue nowadays and hasn't been for 15 years

I also would recommend either fedora or ubuntu as they are the most mainstream distributions

[main olive]

i was going to use arch linux

[broken forum]

If it's your first time, that may be a steep start

[main olive]

i have used both ubuntu desktop and server previously, and have some experience with the cli

[main olive]

what about it would cause it to be a steep start?

[broken forum]

more things for you to handle comparing to others and more stuff to be aware of

[main olive]

that's pretty vague lol

but thanks

[ember quiver]

I'm not a Linux beginner by any means, but every time I've tried to use Arch I've kept it working for 3-6 months before an update makes it unbootable

[broken forum]

Another way to look at it is that ubuntu/fedora make more decisions on your behalf and have more automation and less steps

not that arch is bad, it's a great distribution. But it does require more TLC

It's also a great way to learn more about how the system works and is put together, but once you have done it once or twice, you would rather not spend time on this

(and also as I get older, I have less spare time)

[main olive]

hm ok i think i'll download some fedora or ubuntu dist

currently i'm in the process of fresh installing windows again cause my small brain managed to fuck up the boot partition as i was trying to resize it. a real annoyance as i was about to boot into a vm through virtualbox

[broken forum]

also fyi, steam includes something like wine by default

So if you are concerned about games, be aware that most games will just run out of the box on GNU/Linux, even if they are windows only

[main olive]

it's not just games, i just need support for other apps

[broken forum]

I can't speak for other apps, I don't use windows

[main olive]

running stuff through a compat layer is often times not too bad but it can break

i made the mistake of doing that with a video editor and corrupted my project's save so that's great

still absolutely love the usb installation, filled with beautiful graphical artifacts. it also has the slow 💢

one of the most popular operating systems in the world for personal computing, and the installation process still feels like you're using a busted costo kiosk with a gross low quality display

[main olive]

with abt an hour of use, ubuntu on vm seems p good

[sullen sable]

sup! Can someone explain to me what awk does in this situation:
awk $NF=="/"

[minor tiger]

any thoughts on what distro to use for development in wsl2? I've got Ubuntu 20.04 for completely arbitrary reasons, and I use wsl2 because I resented PowerShell at one point and decided to check this out. I just got an error message when trying to create a virtual environment (the error message is also telling me what the name of the problem is and what I need to do to fix it! its a very good error message), and I don't want to be thinking thoughts like "should venv go in requirements_dev.txt"

[topaz yarrow]

Python will happily run on any distro. Ubuntu is a great starting out distro with great support for lots of different hardware and a big community. It's a good choice to start out and grow into. I've been using linux for 15+ years and still use Ubuntu

[main olive]

is there a reason you went with wsl2 instead of running a vm with virtualbox or something?

[main olive]

Is vm better than dual boot?

[broken forum]

depends on how you want to use your system

[main olive]

OK

[weary blade]

does anyone hate systemd? if so how do you live? i mean whats you init system?

[real vapor]

systemd works fine enough 🤷‍♀️

[uneven sparrow]

https://i.imgur.com/ToguG7g.png https://i.imgur.com/J0C8Rls.png
Anyone know why could be?

https://i.imgur.com/kysmPBs.png yes it is a dir

[lavish storm]

i don't think anyone hates systemd for practical reasons

[dapper musk]

there are practical reasons for example not wanting to get your mb bricked cause of course init system needs to mount efivars with rw. in addition to that using something like runit and other way simpler init systems drastically improves boot times especially on older hardware and in most cases you wont use large amount of systemd features on typical desktop system so you are not loosing much.

[lavish storm]

there are practical reasons for example not wanting to get your mb bricked cause of course init system needs to mount efivars with rw
then why isn't systemd obsolete then? this sounds like a genuinely serious problem that will affect billions of devices

if the industry was quick to adopt systemd then i'm sure they'll adopt a better init system as it comes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

Benno gives a great talk on the state of systemd btw

tl;dw -- it's not going away any time soon because it's good

[minor tiger]

nope!

I was trying to follow a tutorial on a windows machine, could not because I didn't understand what the command line instructions were doing well enough to figure them out in PowerShell, found out about wsl and tried it but it was slow so found wsl2. This was a couple years ago now.

[dapper musk]

i have never said that it ist't. it is good however it is't silver bullet either

[dapper musk]

"industry" wont adapt different init system soon cause systemd is probably the best init system for enterprise use.you can compare it to sudo

while sudo is superior for enterprise use due to it's large amount of features used in such environment however opendoas is superior for desktop use due to how simple it is and thus it is easier to audit and fix + in typical desktop use you wont use 99% of sudo features anyways. the same thing is true about systemd and for example runit

[dapper musk]

it is't large problem cause you need to have shitty firmware and do something like rm -rf /* however getting your MB broken cause you did it before switching distro is't fun and systemd should acknowledge that mounting efi vars with rw is't especially smart cause it can happen on lots of mb due how awful large amount of firmware is

[lavish storm]

what i appreciate is that it has finally stopped people from having to reinvent the wheel by strapping dozens of packages together which all have different configuration formats and behaviours

[weary blade]

opnerc

Devuan openrc seems to a decent alternative to debain (stable)

And arch is not usage worthy

[main olive]

What is unix

[main olive]

a family of operating systems. linux distributions and mac-os are based on it

[weary blade]

no

wtf

@main olive dude you are misinformed

macos is not unix based

its unix like there is a difference

they dont share the same code base

[main olive]

thank you

[weary blade]

anytime, hehe

[broken forum]

wikipedia says so though

being part of the unix family doesn't mean they have to share any code base

[dapper musk]

how so? linux configuration files are still complete mess. only thing that systemd changed is unit files which are not drasticaly simpler then for example openrc 1's

[summer trail]

You're assuming that "based on Unix" means something that shares source code with Bell Labs UNIX. Most people instead understand the term "based on UNIX" to mean that the operating system has a design that is predominantly inspired by UNIX and userland tools compatible with the ones UNIX had.

[strange sable]

how would I create a log file with specific commands in it like checking when the file was created, the user who created it ect. and display the output of those commands in that file by calling the file

[lavish storm]

so if i'm understanding correctly, you want a log file that:

1. contains commands
2. one of the commands be able to check when a file is created and who has created
3. display a list of commands contained in the log file(?)

for 1 and 2, the simplest approach is to just write a shell script, and write to a log file

i'm not entirely sure what

display the output of those commands in that file by calling the file
means

if you want to view the logfile itself, use a text editor or cat (or equivalent) if you're going to be piping it to something else

[weary blade]

@broken forum unix family not unix based

[weary blade]

.

he said "based on it"

Is macOS based on Linux or Unix?
Mac OS is based on a BSD code base, while Linux is an independent development of a unix-like system. This means that these systems are similar, but not binary compatible. Furthermore, Mac OS has lots of applications that are not open source and are build on libraries that are not open source.

source: https://www.google.com/search?q=is+macos+unix+based%3F&oq=is+macos+unix+based%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.6177j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

And i was asking about systemd

i think systemd has its right to exist but

not be treated as the king of init systems

its different than any init system i have ever used

heck even windows svc host isnt as complex as systemd

systemd tries to be too much at once and therefore is not something worthy of use due to large code base.

it has bugs and thats fine, its "software" but the large code base can lead to instability which isn't something any system admin wants

further more, it tries to unite services together which is really odd, i think it even uses userspace which is clearly not something linus torvalds would be happy about.

And it even takes quote "inspiration" for mac-os's launch-d and hence even similar name launch-d and system-d it also tries to have everything you can think of as suite

like systemd-time as ntp and it yet it still you have to run dbus which is what systemd tries to "sort of do"

while something like openrc is more what many are used to with: Init - Rc - <Rc runs bunch of shell scripts> - System boot

you will notice ram usage is not a factor while comparing the two thats becuase its not the way you would expect, i did bunch of testing turns out openrc was more consistently using "less ram" while systemd was like google chrome eating up ram more than neccassry

[opaque ginkgo]

re: open source
...and so does linux

[weary blade]

No

Mac isn't open source, proprietary garbage

[opaque ginkgo]

Linux has plenty of proprietary apps too

@weary blade

[lost grove]

I wanted to ask for opioion / advice but I'm usure whether the web-development channel is the better suited for it. Please let me know if you think so.

So, I build a little REST API and deployed it to Digital Ocean, setup Nginx etc. Now I'd like to know how much RAM, CPU etc. will I need for this thing. My problem is not to simulate the load, I'd just write a little script or maybe look a bit deeper into Postman. The problem is monitoring and logging what happens on the server. Because Linux is a big deficit of mine.

Sure I could run top, bombard the server with requests, look at it and if it can't handle it I'll order more RAM/CPU. But it would be nice to have some logs. So so I can look back in the future. Or like you know... pretend to work like a professional.

I've tried researching the topic. But everybody either wants to sell me some big ass framework for my not existing server farm or want to teach me how to find out why my performance is shit. So I appreciate everything from, some ideas how you go about this, useful commands or utilities, a tutorial, or simply what are the keywords to research this on Google.

[formal schooner]

sounds like you want logging for linux system resource consumption?

maybe you can write a script that periodically dumps top output... there probably are tools for this, but i agree it's hard to search for

[lost grove]

yes. That's how I'd phrase it.

Definately improved the quality of my search results. So thanks so far 🙂

[ember quiver]

Have you looked at monitoring dashboards like Netdata?

[broken forum]

You are looking for monitoring/observability/apm.
Most companies providing that as a server have some form of free tier (new relic has 100Gb free, datadog has 1 server with a short retention, etc.). Or you can install something open source like opensearch (with some metric shipping), collectd, prometheus...

[main olive]

What is the best laptop for ubuntu

?

Do you think Dell XPS 13 is good enough

[lavish storm]

Any laptop is fine.

[south orbit]

Okay this might be the right place to ask this

I'm gonna drop my r/learnpython post which explains the error im getting and also the github repository of my script

hopefully someone can help me figure it out because it is really stumping me here

the repository:

https://github.com/Jules3182/TBWC

the explaination:

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/comments/stb6i7/error_with_running_linux_tweak_commands_from_in/

if you can think of anything or have any questions please @ me, I have class for the next few hours but I'm free after that and would kill for an answer

[livid heath]

I cannot change the brightness of my laptop screen in Ubuntu...
I could not find any solution to fix it

[livid heath]

I got tired

Help me if you know about this problem...

[south orbit]

It doesn't just work with the keyboard shortcut?

[weary blade]

@lost grove you can use a less memory and cpu intensive distro, apt is slightly more stable and more appropriate in this case, running pacman or other package manager isn't a good distro choice and as for logging you can set limits for when to dumb log files, ex: if cpu percentage is more than 50 then touch file cpu.log and <report> or if memory more than 70 touch mem.log <report>

This will be much more effective then setting up cron jobs to accomplish this task and btw cron jobs are not the best way to achieve this, and as for optimization my personal choice would be to: 1. Less bloat (including: package manager, init system etc) get rid of systemd if you care about disk space and slightly more stable performance.

2. Using crons the right way, set up monthly fstrim for ssds If yours supports its do maybe monthly reboots.