unix

[dapper musk]

i like it for it's logical and sensible syntax

[fickle granite]

me too!

back in the day I used to use Scheme for hobby projects

[dapper musk]

i am trying to do it now with racket and guile(because of guix)

[fickle granite]

heh, I followed guile for a long time. There used to be an effort to retrofit guile into emacs, but iirc that fizzled

[dapper musk]

i stumbled upon it (because it was in guix repos and i was curious) however i did't play long with it.

[main olive]

best way to run unix/linux on windows is ubuntu?

nvm apparently its WSL

oh, WSL installs Ubuntu

anyone can help me set up a WSL / Ubuntu / Linux? I tried
wsl --install and it installed on my hard drive, but running WSL from the start menu does nothing and I cannot find the Ubuntu install

tried as admin, get this:

this is right after restarting

i got it. had to enable virtualization of CPU

[fast drum]

cries in lua neovim

[dapper musk]

tbh Lua isn't that bad, it is just error-prone + it implements quite annoying "feature" that is supposed to make it easier while it does quite the opposite ie indexing from 1

[gilded saffron]

whats the most popular python linux?

[warped nimbus]

What's a python Linux?

[cloud wasp]

Hi, I have a question. I'm trying to use the linux tool perf on my machine to measure the cache stats (about L1, L2, LLC cache stats), but I have a problem. The tool perf only applies to a x86 linux machine. I use wsl2, and, while having installed it (manually from a git repo), the stats I want to measure are not supported, as the wsl2 is being identified as a VM. Does anyone know a way to use it on a Windows machine, maybe a vs code extension (as it has a huge variety), or a third party app, or something similar in order to measure these stats? Thanking you for your time!

[eager badger]

Hey, I have used xperf a while ago to get windows metrics, not really sure if it has cpu cache stats but here it is: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/test/wpt/xperf-command-line-reference

[cloud wasp]

Thank you very much!

[gilded saffron]

I mean any linux distro made with python?

[warped nimbus]

What do you mean by "made in Python"? The Linux kernel is written primarily in C

[gilded saffron]

right, curious which linux distro has the highest % of python code used for its OS

[fickle granite]

depends how you define "OS"

the only bits of python I'd expect to find in any distro would be the package manager, and I can't think offhand of any distro that uses python for its package manager

[lavish storm]

Gentoo off the top of my head?

Also I think a lot of distros ship with python by default as well

[fickle granite]

"shipping with python" is very different from "used for its OS"

[lavish storm]

You can see where python is used in the Linux kernel

https://www.openhub.net/p/linux/analyses/latest/languages_summary

[scarlet steeple]

This is a rather difficult question, it depends on where your definition of OS starts and ends. There are definitely distros out there that use python for programs that are shipped with the distro itself, but do they count as being part of the OS?

For example, Arch Linux has a new official installer made in Python. Does that count? Consider that it isn't the only installer (there are many unofficial ones) and you don't need an installer for Arch especially (it encourages you to install it the classic way so that you learn what goes into it)

[scarlet steeple]

Also it seems that the Gentoo package manager and some other tools are also made in Python
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Python

[toxic acorn]

does anyone use systemd sockets to run their website? I'm going to deploy a website soon and I'm debating on whether to use a systemd socket to only run the website when someone accesses it, versus just using a regular systemd service to always keep it on. Are there any cons to using a systemd socket?

[fickle granite]

I would imagine the latency for that first request would be high, if your web service has to spin up

[toxic acorn]

hmm that's true

[fickle granite]

what's the benefit you expect to get from using a socket, instead of just keeping it up all the time?

[toxic acorn]

the vm I'm using doesn't have a lot of resources, so the socket activation could potentially save those resources until they're needed

not 100% sure if its worth the effort tho

[fickle granite]

I'd be surprised

if your web server is just sitting there doing nothing, the only resource it's gonna use is RAM

and it's not gonna use more when it's idle than it'd need when it spins up

if you don't mind bending your brain, you could consider turning your web service into "lambda functions", as AWS calls them, or whatever the Azure or Google Cloud equivalents are. Those use no resources whatever when idle, and spin up on first contact; the infrastructure takes care of the spinning up and down. On the other hand, it's a really unusual style of programming. Disclaimer: I've either never done it, or done it so long ago that I no longer remember the details

[toxic acorn]

that is certainly an idea yea

just simply using one of those serverless services to run the website

there are a few timers that would have to be run for the site tho

[fickle granite]

if you actually wanted to use lambda functions, then you could probably use "cloudwatch events" as your timers, and have them trigger some lambda function or other to do ... whatever you need

[hexed raven]

Hi all, I have a case where my FileRotatingHandler is being sent to the journal (service running with systemd). This is not the desired result (only the StreamHandler should be sent to the journal). Any ideas on how to properly configure to avoid seeing the FileHandler on the stdout?

[flat echo]

I am trying to install python3.9 with "loadable sqlite extensions." I accidentally installed it before sqlite-devel. Now I am trying to reinstall it. I run sudo ./configure --enable-optimizations --enable-loadable-sqlite-extensions then sudo make and get this error: ```
Could not import runpy module
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/adankert/Python-3.9.13/Lib/runpy.py", line 15, in <module>
import importlib.util
File "/home/adankert/Python-3.9.13/Lib/importlib/util.py", line 2, in <module>
from . import abc
File "/home/adankert/Python-3.9.13/Lib/importlib/abc.py", line 17, in <module>
from typing import Protocol, runtime_checkable
File "/home/adankert/Python-3.9.13/Lib/typing.py", line 21, in <module>
import collections
SystemError: <built-in function compile> returned NULL without setting an error
generate-posix-vars failed
make[1]: *** [pybuilddir.txt] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/adankert/Python-3.9.13'
make: *** [profile-opt] Error 2

[opaque ginkgo]

example?

[graceful dust]

oi

ello

so basically, i have an issue on linux’s apt install python3-azure.
if anyone can help me, that’d be cool.

it’s stuck here

also this is debian, but this is the closest channel i can find to that

[lavish storm]

are you on stable?

[graceful dust]

i mean it’s a debian based system, parrot os

but i eventually somewhat fixed it using dpkg’s --purge --force-remove-reinstreq stuff

[quiet ivy]

Hi,
I think this could be the best section to ask this query.
How can we store a user input with escape sequence in python?

I am trying something like this:

>>> dt = input("Enter: ")
Enter: \x03\x12
>>> dt + "\x00"
'\\x03\\x12\x00'
>>> dt
'\\x03\\x12'

Just like the last null byte went, I need the result for \x03\x12

[deft lodge]

git push permission denied 403 did anyone had this problem before?

[nimble notch]

Someone guide me with the steps to install Linux pls

[light gorge]

Step 1. Choose distro

Tip: there are plenty https://distrowatch.com/

You can sort by most downloaded for example or just choose Ubuntu 😜

[nimble notch]

Ok I'll try this first
Thanks man

[heavy scroll]

Welp i messed up, I just killed ibus-daemon as it was taking up 90% of the cpu for some reason than updated the distro (using kubuntu) and restarted

Now that im logging in the entire login is different (i would assume because i killed the main interface) and I cant login

[heavy scroll]

This is the ui i ended up on but am unable to login

[wise forge]

Different distro provide different difficulty level.

https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
Install Kubuntu 22.04. it is easy and well supported

And just beautiful

[heavy scroll]

Yea kubuntu is fantastic as long as you dont mess with stuff you are not supposed

[wise forge]

That can be said about any Linux distribution

In any Linux u can self destruct OS if wishing

[heavy scroll]

Yea true

[true heath]

hey is anyone here familiar with firewalld, specifically around trying to allow one source/IP on http port 80 and drop all other requests?

[wise forge]

Be sure to not lock yourself away by removing ssh access via 21 port 😆

[true heath]

lol already did that, 22

[flat echo]

TRying to understand how installing python on centOS works: ```

1. wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.9.13/Python-3.9.13.tgz
2. tar -xvf Python-3.9.13.tgz
3. cd Python-3.9.13
4. ./configure --enable-optimizations --enable-loadable-sqlite-extensions
5. make
6. make install
   ``` What is happening during 'make'? What is happening during make install and how would it be different than make altinstall?

[wise forge]

Are u planning running web application?
Or some CLI interfaced application?

If yes, then use Docker

Inside of image u can use normal Debian or something

And to run it at centos without configuration problems

[flat echo]

That isn't an option for now time being. Is using python on centOS not very common?

[slender garden]

@drowsy seal tinha q ser o xasdo, bloqueou os #memes

[drowsy seal]

Hm?

[slender garden]

no blox

[drowsy seal]

Não achei que iria achar alguém do bf aqui.

[slender garden]

💀

[lavish storm]

!rule 4

[shy yoke]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[night dove]

hello, These 3 empty files are being created in my home directory, They are created every time I delete them, probably after a reboot. I've no idea where are these coming from. It'd be great If anyone could help me regarding this 😃

[daring robin]

I am just wondering if i can get a quick help on bash script?

[hushed quail]

whats the problem?

[daring robin]

#!/bin/bash

# This script will run the three programs that play the game and evaluate the accuracy of the programs
interval=60*1   # Set the interval for evaluating accuracy to 1 hour
num_hours=5         # Set the number of hours to run the program

# Start the program that will play  both single play and parallel play for given duration
# start the single_play in the background
python3 $PWD/python2/single/single_self_play.py &

# start the parallel_play in the background
python3 $PWD/python2/parallel/jax_async_play.py &

# Start the program that will evaluate the accuracy of the programs (run every hour)
counter=0 # set the counter to 0

while [ $counter -lt $num_hours ]
do
    echo "Starting evaluation program $counter"
    python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py & # start the evaluation program in the background
    sleep $interval # wait for the interval
    counter=$((counter+1)) # increment the counter
done

# Kill the programs that are running in the background
killall python3

I have this bash command

which is supposed to run single_self_play, jax_async_play, and then another eval_program every time interval defined by interval variable

Everything seems to be working fine, and I get this log in my terminal

Starting evaluation program 0
usage: sleep seconds
Starting evaluation program 1
usage: sleep seconds
Starting evaluation program 2
usage: sleep seconds
Starting evaluation program 3
usage: sleep seconds
Starting evaluation program 4
usage: sleep seconds
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9778 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/single/single_self_play.py
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9779 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/parallel/jax_async_play.py
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9780 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9782 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9784 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9786 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py
run_play_and_eval.sh: line 26:  9788 Terminated: 15          python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py

whcih I am assumingg is working as expected.

But i dont understand if the programs are running in the background?

none of the programs seems to be running

[hushed quail]

how do u execute them in the background?

i don't see any way u r doing to execute them in the background

[daring robin]

hmm interesting, wouldn't bash automatically run the scripts on background since I am using & at the end of the string?

[hushed quail]

oh, didn't see that

[daring robin]

or would it be sequential, like it would wait till itt would finish the first program?

[hushed quail]

why are you putting the code in sleep in between?

[daring robin]

oh i want that program to be run in certain intervals

say for example an hour, I justt used 60*1 just to test

oh i think i found the issue lol

it was probably the & at the end of the third python script

[hushed quail]

what does that mean?

[daring robin]

python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py & 

[hushed quail]

i mean i know that

but how does it cause the issue?

[daring robin]

in this line i was using &, so i gues it was executing the rest of the script too,

[hushed quail]

but i think, the scripts are getting ran quick, as u r just putting them to sleep for 60 seconds

but still the script should sleep for 60 seconds before running the next iteration

[daring robin]

and yup you are right, the sleep is not working too

hmmm

[hushed quail]

i think you have to put the sleep statement below the incrementing statement

[daring robin]

hmm i just tried to interval with 60 instead of doing 60*1, and its sleeping for a minute

[hushed quail]

cuz u can just write these 2 lines

    python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py & # start the evaluation program in the background
    sleep $interval # wait for the interval

into like this

    python3 $PWD/python2/evaluations/eval_programs.py & sleep $interval

both does the same job

cuz bash still treats the python3 line as incompleted (i guess)

so it just adds the next sleep statement with that line, so that both those lines are now getting executed concurrently in the background

thats just my assumption

as i've tried something related to that in my pc

[daring robin]

lett me try that quickly

[hushed quail]

nope, i was wrong, nvm my bad

[daring robin]

yup didnt work in my end too

so ig the issue was with interval

I used interval=60, instead of using operators like interval=60*1

thats so interesting tho

Anyways thank you so much for your help @hushed quail 🙂

[worthy nacelle]

hi

Im

Newbie

Here

i

want

to

be

a hacker

what

i

need

to

do

if

i

have

just

got

start

[sleek swan]

First of all please write ur words on the same line. Secondly, start with learning python and the Ubuntu terminal(by using a virtual machine)

[worthy nacelle]

thank u 🤩

[light gorge]

Didn't read it. Looks like spam.

[main olive]

does the the .htaccess file(s) or the Apache config files you are editing have the correct permissions to be read and executed by the Apache server?

[silk herald]

Use the terminal and wear sunglasses

[supple jacinth]

Ethical?

[frigid jacinth]

OK so for my second semester in CS I'm taking a Linux course--only, I've never so much as approached Linux. I learn best by doing, so I wanna make one of my computer's primary OS Linux--but is this gonna mess up my existing suite of windows programs? From a software user standpoint, I have gone with windows primarily because its the most widely supported by programs, with Linux am I gonna run into the issue of suddenly finding a ton of software I can't use?

[toxic acorn]

its really gonna depend on what software you currently use on windows as to whether you can find either its linux version or an equivalent linux app

[frigid jacinth]

this is my recreational computer, so primarily gaming of various flavors, plus some game modding when the mood strikes.

[toxic acorn]

for games, it will also depend on what games you play

steam has proton, which will work with some games

haven't looked into how other game stores work

if you're lucky, you can find a linux native version of a game you play

otherwise, the experience could range from flipping the proton switch on a game and it just working, to moderate amounts of tinkering, to your game being impossible to play

or if it works, maybe some performance loss, which would prob require some tinkering to get the performance back if its even possible

[frigid jacinth]

I did find a gaming section on the fedora discord, and it has some tools I can use but I'm definitely not going to go full switch--maybe dual boot for a while. Wish you could kinda tab back and forth between them.

[toxic acorn]

could go the virtual machine route

its easier to try out different distros that way

and you don't risk potentially blowing up your windows install

[frigid jacinth]

Are you still able to fully learn and utilize the OS that way?

[toxic acorn]

for an intro Linux course in college, yes

[wise forge]

linux is great for software developers, particularily for developers developing for web, embedded stuff probably too linux is great for work essentially, and for regular home life.

what for linux is not great at the moment? definitely not for games in my opinion. It becomes fixed but far from reaching good point yet. I just have Windows installed as secondary OS for games

some programms can be installed for all OSes, some programms work only for Linux, for Windows or for macOS :/

different OSes have different ecosystems of programs behind them with some intersection in between

[ember quiver]

I would recommend having a Linux VM and force yourself to use it as much as you reasonably can. This is much easier and less disruptive IMHO then dual booting. If you use XRDP it's really smooth and you can easily forget it's not running on bare metal

You can even run a Linux desktop in a Docker container, but VirtualBox is probably the easiest way to start

I typically have Windows as my primary OS but spend at least 90% of my time in Linux.... You can have RDP connected to a Linux VM across multiple monitors on one Desktop and then just press CTRL + ALT + HOME to foreground windows and then CTRL + WIN + ARROW to go to a Windows desktop.... then CTRL + WIN + ARROW again and your back in the Linux world. Or you can have Linux on one screen and Windows on another seamlessly use both at the same time

[old bane]

@queen jacinth Acer: F2 or DEL
ASUS: F2 or Del
Dell: F2 or F12
HP: ESC or F10
Lenovo: F2 or Fn + F2
Lenovo Desktops: F1
Lenovo ThinkPads: Enter + F1.
MSI: DEL for motherboards and PCs
Microsoft Surface Tablets: Press and hold the volume-up button.
Origin PC: F2
Samsung: F2
Sony: F1, F2, or F3
Toshiba: F2

do this when starting up computer

[queen jacinth]

what

[old bane]

press that key

to enter bios

[queen jacinth]

A usb doesnt have a bios

usb stick

[old bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er5tjswFFKU&ab_channel=PulsarTECH

[old bane]

DUDE

when you switch on yor pc

what happens

[queen jacinth]

Do I need a working os for that

[old bane]

NOPE

thats what im saying

[queen jacinth]

k

[old bane]

the motherboard has it implemented

[queen jacinth]

but my usb is corrupted rn

is it gonna clear the volume

you bitch 💀💀💀💀

@old bane

[old bane]

You have to get a usb

[queen jacinth]

I have it

But you lied to me

[old bane]

any working computers?

[queen jacinth]

no

only a chromebook

[old bane]

igtg goodnight. Go join another discord server for PC recovery

this is not the one you need to be looking for help in

[frigid jacinth]

thank you this is perfect, Im using VMware for class but I'll look up XDRP

[queen jacinth]

not really because they let me ban evade

[gilded saffron]

Anyone know how to control Android OS with python? like to automate stuff

[main olive]

What to automate ?

[gilded saffron]

like app texting, scrolling, clicking, anything really

[hexed vigil]

hi is someone here good with sed?

[lavish storm]

Don’t ask to ask 🙂

[river raptor]

does someone know why my ping gets so high when downloading a torrent? (im not downloading something bad with torrents trust me)

from the 16th i paused my download

also the download is slow

[river raptor]

okay nevermind i used my mobile data instead of wifi

and it was ennded

so i only had slow

64kb/s

kbit/s*

[ember quiver]

if you're on wifi, try wired

or just ping your gateway to see if that's where the problem is

[river raptor]

no the problem is i used mobile data instead of wifi

and it got expired

so it went slower

[main olive]

best linux distro for rtx/cuda support?

[humble falcon]

The distro doesn't rlly affect what drivers you can install

[main olive]

https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html#id17 i dont see pop!_os listed is it just because its ubuntu

[agile pelican]

Dumb question since my brain is not working today I have this command in a script (crontab -l 2>/dev/null; echo "*/5 * * * * /bin/bash -c '/usr/bin/python3 $DIR/autostop.py --time $IDLE_TIME | tee -a /home/ec2-user/SageMaker/auto-stop-idle.log'") | crontab -`)

would changing it to (crontab -l 2>/dev/null; echo "@reboot */5 * * * * /bin/bash -c '/usr/bin/python3 $DIR/autostop.py --time $IDLE_TIME | tee -a /home/ec2-user/SageMaker/auto-stop-idle.log'") | crontab -`) make it run at every reboot?

[agile pelican]

I think that is more related to default drivers and kernel available. If you are willing to verify pop!_os kernel version is same as the ubuntu one listed and you are pulling from the same repo it should not be an issue

[main olive]

linux file managers look too cartoony

linux mint in general looks kinda cartoony

y'all got a better file manager

other than the terminal 💀

[agile pelican]

openbox is my goto - ignore me I thought you were talking about window manager

[humble falcon]

Theres like 10, which are you referring to lol

[main olive]

all

[midnight osprey]

re: linux file managers, you can us mc, midnight commander, in the terminal, sudo apt-get install mc

I have no idea about linux mint, never tried that one...

[main olive]

it should be the same

[real vapor]

I've sworn by ranger as a terminal file browser, it's great

[fallow tusk]

The cartooniness is probably more due to your theme choices. Is it "cartoony" because of soft, round edges? (I hate that trend, too)

What is Mint's default file manager, anyway? (I have a Mint box, but it's running qtile, so don't have the usual gui menus)

[main olive]

soft round edges yes

[main olive]

vim is literally the best file browser

[fallow tusk]

I like ls, personally.

coupled with find

[obtuse fog]

Hi everyone, I want learn Linux kernel module programming
Can someone help me?

[ashen sail]

is anyone here willing to help me with emacs for 10 mins or so?

[ember quiver]

don't ask to ask, what's the question? If we don't know the answer here there is a StackExchange just for Emacs

[nimble notch]

Gonna try linux for the 1st time. I'm very excited to see how it works😎

[barren patrol]

try linux mint first

people recommend arch but honestly its only good if you're really big into system DIY

[nimble notch]

Yep gonna try that 1st

[fallow tusk]

Mint, Ubuntu, any of the distros that provide plenty of hand-holding GUIness ;)

There are even distros that attempt to be more Windows-y or Mac-y

[wise forge]

Recommending Kubuntu 22.04 lts. Looks good.
And Debian family is most often used for servers/Docker images and supports easy installation of any infra tools

[fallow tusk]

I tend to go with Lubuntu, just because it's a little more lightweight, but yes, I like KDE, too.

Arch is great if you want to learn how a Linux is built from relatively bare bones. It has an extremely good wiki with lots of documentation, including an excellent set of installation instructions. However, even I have got lost when following the instructions because I glossed over what ended up being an important step (and I've run through the installation instructions many times :D)

If you want an even more bare bones "build Linux from the ground up", there's LFS - Linux From Scratch. I've never managed to get through to having a fully running system (either due to time or frustration or just forgetting I was in the middle of building it!)

Definitely a good read if you're into understanding it at the OS level

[wise forge]

No point to learn something not used as servers and LTS
https://www.geekersdigest.com/updated-list-of-linux-distributions-with-long-term-support-lts/
Anything learning outside of this list is hurting your career.
Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with different GUI, therefore within list

Sure, may be there is point to learn more bare bones experience if u a embedded Dev

But for web dev I don't see point

[fallow tusk]

There was no indication of the rationale for learning Linux, so why are you making any sort of assumption?

[wise forge]

Well, we are in Python server where Linux is used in 98% cases only for web dev

[fallow tusk]

Personally I use it as a general desktop and as a development environment. I don't need something to be used as a server (although I have done in the past).

[wise forge]

Huh. U use it as development environment for what exactly platform targets / application types

[fallow tusk]

For Python it's mostly auxiliary scripts. For C/C++ it's a parser

[wise forge]

Parser?
Will it run at Linux, or u cross compile it for other OSes?

[fallow tusk]

It's not cross-compiled. The code gets built on both Windows and Linux

[wise forge]

I needed to make program with parsing functionality for friend at Windows.
Ended up writing in Golang. Perfect low level enough language, and I was able developing from Linux with easily cross compiling to Windows

[fallow tusk]

I seldom touch the Windows stuff, though. In fact, few devs do.

[wise forge]

Sure. I touch Windows usually only for gaming 😉

[woeful dome]

I was worried that I won't be able to play on linux, but now that I can't buy any games it's totally not an issue 😄

[wise forge]

There is website I can share that helps to top up balance on steam account (with 10% commission)

[woeful dome]

mmm, shady ahh websites

[wise forge]

I prefer to use it over my new cards... Because it allows me to top up in... Country origin currency for which steam prices continue to be extremely cheap. (Euro prices suck)
Makes wonder how they do it though

[river raptor]

Can you Share it with me

[wise forge]

Clarification: this website is useful only for people of... my and opium puppy origin country. If u don't have account originally created in that country, it is useless for you.
U don't have signs showing u a from it

[river raptor]

What Country are you from

[lavish storm]

opium puppy origin

🇰🇵?

[main olive]

!e

[shy yoke]

Missing required argument

code

Command Help

!eval [python_version] <code, ...>
Can also use: e

Run Python code and get the results.

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[main olive]

yo. i wanna switch back to linux

what distro

[wise forge]

Kubuntu 22.04 LTS 🙂

[main olive]

i already installed endeavouros
this thing is really good

[wise forge]

Arch based distro? masochist :/

[main olive]

i want an arch based distro because of pacman

and endeavour os is by far the best distro imo

it's really good

[wise forge]

Debian based distros should be prefered as the most stable and used solution for infrastructure :/

Ubuntu is technically Debian based too.

[prime magnet]

I'm enjoying Linux Mint 🙂

[weary chasm]

Does someone use i3 i have problem

I install it on gnome fedora but i can't do anything in it i open it but i can't it opens but i can't do anything whole computer frezes

I fixt it

Is working

[main olive]

wow EndeavourOS is really nice

[mortal jasper]

Pop_OS is quite nice too.

[lavish storm]

All distros are nice ♥️

[dapper musk]

if you want to use back ports for everything then sure...

[river raptor]

I also use Kubuntu 22.04.1 LTS

[pallid brook]

What is the standard and common way of daemonizing python scripts?

[summer trail]

Using https://linux.die.net/man/1/daemonize perhaps?

[pallid brook]

It seems to me like one of the many third-party solutions. Is it commonly used by python developers?

[summer trail]

Python daemons are relatively rare, I don't think there's any particular tool or library for daemonizing that's more idiomatic than others. I've used that daemonize CLI tool before, and I've rolled my own daemonization before. There are some PyPI libraries for daemonizing, too, but I've never tried them (it was always preferable to not add a new dependency, in my case)

[pallid brook]

Well, this demonize tool is also a dependency since it's not built in.

I was wondering if there may be some systemd approach to this problem.

[summer trail]

Possibly, at the cost of baking in a dependency on systemd 😄

[pallid brook]

Systemd is rapidly becoming a standard so it's barely a dependency nowadays. But technically you're right 🙂

[summer trail]

There's still holdouts, though, including distros whose distinguishing feature is that they refuse to use systemd. 🤷‍♀️

[pallid brook]

True...

Okay, I found a poorly documented solution in PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/python-daemon

Looks like something old

[summer trail]

https://pypi.org/project/daemonize/ has a few releases

Seems abandoned at this point, but it's probably in decent shape anyway.

python-daemon has a decent number of releases as well, and seems actively maintained

[pallid brook]

Okay, I think I'll try systemd service. It seems like a pretty good and simple solution

[nimble notch]

What are the requirements needed for a pc to run kubuntu smoothly.🥲

[wise forge]

preferably at least 2 core-4 threaded, CPU... I3 processor or its equvalient are nice to have. Probably will work on lower processors
at least 4 GB of RAM is preferred (nice to have 8)

[wise forge]

lol. i guessed correctly. googled.

They remain the same as for Ubuntu: a dual core 2 Ghz processor, 4 GiB of RAM and VGA video of at least 1024 x 768 pixels, plus a CD/DVD drive or a USB port for the installation media.

[nimble notch]

Got all of these. Gonna try it out.

Ty

[pallid brook]

Okay, another issue.

How do I handle virtual environments when running a service?..

[pallid brook]

Issue solved.

[main olive]

hello, how could i redirect fifo to programs stdin?

i already have written to fifo
how could i do something like python3 x.py < myfifo ?

[pallid brook]

Can't you open it as a file inside python script?..

[dapper musk]

exactly like that?
an example:

mkfifo test
# & is needed because write to fifo will block until it gets red
echo 123 > test &
python -c 'print(input())' < test

[stoic shell]

Hi, I want to populate the input field of a terminal with something, how could I achieve this w/ python?

[oblique lily]

I love how well this OS works (especially the fractional scaling) but I hateeee the UI lol. It looks like a mobile phone mixed with Windows 10

[oblique lily]

input("your message")

[stoic shell]

I don't want to get a users input, I want to populate the input field w/ something for the user.

can subprocess do this?

[lavish storm]

what do you mean "input field"?

[fallow tusk]

While the GUI is bundled with the different variants of Ubuntu for convenience, you can install and use any particular GUI you want. The OS is completely decoupled from the Desktop Environment

(and from the Window Manager, too)

[oblique lily]

Yeah I installed KDE Plasma on vanilla Ubuntu, that's my experience with it. Other than the desktop environment, what makes Kubuntu different from Ubuntu?

[fallow tusk]

Nothing. The different variants are just built to use the particular DE, afaik.

Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu are all geared towards one or other DE

[oblique lily]

Just googled it and it looks like they have a couple different default applications as well, but yeah it's just configurable choices

[fallow tusk]

The apps are often tied to the DE - KDE has its own set of office apps, for example, built on the UI

[oblique lily]

I just started running Manjaro with Sway on my laptop, I suck at it compared to Ubuntu but the tiling windows are actually pretty neat. And that makes sense

[fallow tusk]

I don't know Sway, I take it it's a tiling WM. I use qtile, which is also a tiling WM, and really like it for dev work

[slow pollen]

Hello, any AI chatbot developer who can help me with a virtual assistant project in human resources?

[real vapor]

sway is basically i3 for wayland

[raw raptor]

@spark mulch @hushed quail which volume should i choose

[spark mulch]

I'm guessing Volume 2; C. But I take no responsability for a broken system

[raw raptor]

Select the EFI volume by typing: sel vol Y where Y is the SYSTEM volume (this is almost always the EFI partition)

getting this error

[raw raptor]

DISKPART> assign letter = U

Virtual Disk Service error:
Assigning or removing drive letters on the current boot or pagefile
volume is not allowed.

[hushed quail]

this says u have to select the system volume

[raw raptor]

idk which is the system volume

[hushed quail]

so its vol3, and pls confirm that u r working with the right disk
cuz anything may happen

[raw raptor]

l3viathan said it's volume 2

[hushed quail]

vol3 has the word system straight to it

[hushed quail]

then im just assuming it that its vol3, nvm

[raw raptor]

Ok

@hushed quail system reset showing

Pc is not booting

Broo

What happened

[hushed quail]

i always thought something's wrong gonna happen as u said that u need to do something with the system partition

[raw raptor]

Bro what should i do now

Nothing is happening

[hushed quail]

maybe give ur pc to a nearby service provider and let them solve ur problem

it has become a hardware problem rn i guess

and i should've said this before, never ask any problem related to boot menu firmware stuff in here

[raw raptor]

I solved it bro

[stoic shell]

Is there a way to populate the input field of a terminal with some python library? Maybe subproces? By input field I mean the where you type your commands. I want to execute a python script and have it populate the terminal with a command, BUT does not run it

[raw raptor]

@smoky snow

[main olive]

well, there's user password and root password
try both
maybe toggle your caps lock
did u just install a linux distro? from the DE and themes i think this is ubuntu

[raw raptor]

yea i installed ubuntu

[raw raptor]

ok trying

[torpid igloo]

does anyone here perchance know how to build pytorch for the 6700xt on ubuntu?

[silk herald]

Maybe you can do a paste operation from python, if it needs to run when the terminal window isnt active i think you would be looking at terminal emulator specific stuff like kitty, konsole or terminal program specific stuff like bash, zsh

[quaint portal]

hola

alguen de colombia

[river raptor]

!rule 4 @quaint portal

[shy yoke]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[fallow tusk]

Y, si solo querias charlar, hay los canales offtopic…pero ahi tambien se debe hablar ingles.
(transl.) ||And, if you just wanted to chat there are the off-topic channels…but even there one should speak English.||

[fallow tusk]

https://9to5linux.com/first-look-at-blendos-a-blend-of-arch-linux-fedora-linux-and-ubuntu sounds intriguing…

[main olive]

indeed

After that, you can use either blend, pacman, dnf, or apt in the same shell to install or remove packages, without any tricks.

[long burrow]

Just downloaded linux on my windows machine and trying to install from my requirements.txt

I'm getting lots of can't find version warnings. What's going on? e.g

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement Django==4.1 (from -r requirements.txt (line 11)) (from versions: ... 3.2.16) 

Is the versions available from linux different than those on windows?

[toxic acorn]

that looks more like a python version thing

your python version is prob too old for django 4.1

[tired anchor]

Anyone on Linux machine with Wi-Fi and few free seconds? I need example iwgetid output but I am on Windows machine. Please replace your network name/MAC/IP with some examples.

[dawn topaz]

$ iwgetid
wlp1s0 ESSID:"mywifiSSID"

$ iwgetid -a
wlp1s0 Access Point/Cell: 45:32:01:EF:CD:AB

[elfin oxide]

My linux work computer is hooked up in a way, such that everthing under my home directory, /home/user, does not actually lie on the actual computer, but on some local server. My /home/user directory mounts to that server. All other folders /opt /usr etc. are stored on the actual computer. I currently have my virtual environment located at /home/user/.venv/env1 and this works. However, the server is sometimes overloaded, which causes python package imports to take forever, since all packages are located in the home directory and therefore on the server. I would like to create a virtual environment outside my home directory to avoid this problem. However, I am not sure which other place would be the best to place it. Any suggestions would be appreciated 🙂

[ember quiver]

/opt should be ok, assuming you have write access to it

[elfin oxide]

Thank you! I do. I will try /opt then.

[fallow tusk]

/var would be another choice

[main olive]

hi all,
need some help with scp

i'm trying to transfer a local file onto a server, using scp. i'm running windows subshell for linux locally in admin mode. i use a command like:
scp filename.file serverinfo

and i get an error message about no matching host key type found

[main olive]

nvm got it

[nimble notch]

It might me server issue

One of my frd was also experiencing this

[violet wing]

Good evening, everyone 🙂

I'm looking to switch from Windows 11 to a Linux Distribution on my laptop (Ryzen 7 4700U, Radeon Graphics ~2gb VRAM, 16gb RAM)

I've been looking at several distros including OpenSUSE, ZorinOS, EndeavourOS, Ubuntu, Manjaro (KDE), Fedora (KDE) and ElementaryOS.

Say I were to pick OpenSUSE: they have their Tumbleweed (rolling release) and their Leap (LTS) versions.

My question is basically: Why LTS over RR or vice versa?

It's going to be my daily driver for school work (university). I'm majoring in Computer Science, if it has any effect on my choice of distro 🙂

Thanks in advance 🙂

[main olive]

have u tried them on a VM?

[fallow tusk]

LTS doesn't change except for the odd security update; a rolling release will give you all the updates between the previous "stable" release and the next stable release as they happen (or at least as often as you ask it to run the updates). If you want something Windows-y, an LTS is probably the way to go. If you're looking to get all the latest and greatest cutting edge developments, a rolling release is the one to choose. (Although Windows does do its updates much more regularly nowadays, so is a bit more rolling release-y)

But, yes, I would attempt to install one in a VM and have a play. Grab the live ISO image, and start it up in VirtualBox (my preference, not the only option), and you can play with a "live" system before even attempting an install even onto a virtual hard drive. Doing an install on a VM will give you a testbed for trial and error before trying it on real hardware. If it goes wrong on the VM, you just delete the VM and start from scratch with minimal fuss

[errant forge]

Hey guys, for some reason chown doesn't work on a mounted drive

[little bronze]

what's the error message you're getting?

[ember quiver]

^^^^ this, and also, what filesystem is the drive formatted with?

[errant forge]

Hi, It's not giving an error, the owner doesn't change when I run chown

Never mind

I was playing with disks and this happened lol

[buoyant cedar]

Nice

[errant forge]

Skill issue lol

[ember quiver]

Heheh, there's your problem

[errant forge]

😂😂😂😂

[shy yoke]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @main olive until <t:1675391271:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[arctic oasis]

Did you fixed it?
It happened once with me after splitting a portion into 2 portions

You can fix it if you searched Google

Distro: kali-linux

[errant forge]

Nah, it turns out I f- my hard disk or something

[arctic oasis]

You couldn't fix it?

[errant forge]

I missed up the file system

I planning to buy ssd

[arctic oasis]

Do you need help with it?

The problem isn't about ssd or hdd

[jolly depot]

happens ive done couple of times same way and one of em was by blowing it with cold air cleaner probably the electrons got discharced

[fallow tusk]

The electrons, eh?

[errant forge]

Thanks, I'll try that

[jolly depot]

good idea

[arctic oasis]

ls
ls (hd0, msdos1)

ls (hd0, msdos5)

output ext2 (unix portion)

set boot=(hd0,msdos5)
set prefix=(hd0,msdos5)/boot/grub
insmod normal
normal

#After booting up
sudo update-grub
sudo grub-install /dev/sda
update-initramfs -U
update-grub

I think that's it

[tiny fern]

i have a question
i have a script in /etc/init.d

it gets executed each time machine boots up.

now if i do echo "test" in the script. where will the message get displayed or stored.

[arctic oasis]

Yes that's because it's like start up apps on Windows

It will be done as bash process

You can use exec-in-shell if you want to run it in your terminal

Btw which distro do you use?

[fickle granite]

I'd guess the output shows up in a log file under /var/log/

[tiny fern]

what i did was.
i did echo "test" > /home/me/auditlog

so when i rebooted. the script got executed and i got the mssg in the file "auditlog"

[arctic oasis]

So basically you write the output to a file

[tepid drift]

how to change the permission of all executable files and folders to 700 and all non executable files to 600 in bash?

[hard igloo]

@errant forge bro I had the same issue i deleted the partition , before changing to the BIOS..... whatever i just had to download the new windows 11 in my pendrive.

[hard igloo]

Easiest

[errant forge]

Thanks bro

[dapper musk]

you can do it by using find and xarg

find <directoryToStartFrom> -executable | xargs -d '\n' -L 1 chmod 700
find <directoryToStartFrom> ! -executable | xargs -d '\n' -L 1 chmod 600

if you do it on root it will most probably break your system tho

[hard igloo]

Can I paste the YouTube tutorial this channel?

It's not in the rule so i guess I can help you https://youtu.be/xx2CFufykB0

[hard igloo]

@errant forge

[errant forge]

Sure

[hard igloo]

I deserve a raise @blissful cloud

[atomic carbon]

what do people tend to use to process svgs on ubuntu 20.04 lts?
librsvg and inkscape don't really work with the full range of svg I want

would also be nice if I could get ImageMagik to be able to use it for the python library wand

[warped nimbus]

What do you mean by processing? If you just want to rasterise them, then web browsers tend to have the most complete SVG implementations.

[atomic carbon]

I want to render them from svg to png

[warped nimbus]

Use a web browser in headless mode. There are command line arguments to specify which file to open, at what resolution, and to take a screenshot. I have had better results with Firefox, but Chromium can also work. I have noticed some inconsistencies between them regarding rendering typefaces. They're both not prefect, but overall they're pretty good about respecting even complex SVG code.

I've tied a bunch of ways: inkscape, librsvg, Illustrator, etc and found web browsers are the best by far.

Here is an example of how to use Firefox https://github.com/python-discord/branding/blob/main/events/evergreen/other_assets/banner.svg?short_path=7bee9be#L14

[shy yoke]

events/evergreen/other_assets/banner.svg?short_path=7bee9be line 14

firefox -headless -\-window-size=1920,1080 -\-screenshot 'file:///banner.svg'```

[warped nimbus]

Just replace -\- with --

[slender grove]

what os are you using. I had the same problem on kali linux and had to completely change the os to ubunto

[obtuse wyvern]

Hi guys i had a problem with manjaro hibernation boot, how can anyone help me?

[tulip dock]

Is there a way to see the amount of memory used for caching per filesystem?

(and possibly limit it?)

[obtuse wyvern]

When i use ls i can only see dev and some folders but gparted and fdisk dosent work

[tulip dock]

can you just reboot? Or does this happen every time?

you might have something configured wrong in fstab or whatnot. Are you using full-drive encryption?

[obtuse wyvern]

Everytime

[obtuse wyvern]

I not crypt anything

[tulip dock]

So you can boot your computer at all?

if you type "reboot" and enter, you get the same thing?

[obtuse wyvern]

And this error come All the time

[obtuse wyvern]

Yes

[humble falcon]

If you haven't solved it yet, what were you doing before this happened? Did you expand the filesystem at all or anything?

Iirc I got that when I tried resizing my root partition, turns out my partitions were explicitly using uuid rather than the relative path or whatever it's called

[lean locust]

Please I need help in writing a script to list and delete objects that are older than 2 years in my OVH object Storage

I have a this script but not working

import swiftclient
import time

Authenticate to the OpenStack Swift API

conn = swiftclient.Connection(authurl='AUTH_URL',
user='USERNAME',
key='PASSWORD',
tenant_name='TENANT_NAME',
auth_version='2')

Define the container name

container_name = 'autopod'

Define the last modified date threshold

threshold = time.mktime(time.strptime('2022-01-01', '%Y-%m-%d'))

List all objects in the container

objects = conn.get_container(container_name)[1]

Filter the objects based on the last modified date

filtered_objects = [obj for obj in objects if int(obj['last_modified']) < threshold]

Print the filtered objects

for obj in filtered_objects:
print(obj['name'])

[tulip dock]

#❓｜how-to-get-help? this is #unix

[obtuse wyvern]

No

[main olive]

#unix message

I have this problem

Idk what to do

[pallid smelt]

and without knowing 1. the user that runs the flask 2. filesystem attributes of the db - hard to help .. but doing something like chmod a+rw $your_sqlite_file might help (but is not so secure approach)

[main olive]

this is my db file permissions, how can I see the user that runs my flask webapp?

[main olive]

I fixed it, I just gave the /instance directory ownership to www-data user

[serene locust]

@obtuse wyvern Did you try to resize your root partition? Cuz, I got a similar problem with another distro when I resized its root partition for dual booting... If so you might have altered its virtual memory size making this problem.

https://superuser.com/questions/410472/bin-sh-cant-access-tty-job-control-turned-off-error-when-running-shellcode

Try this, If you get permission denied... (Happened to me) I'm sorry bro, You might have to do a fresh install (May have fix, but IDK)

[obtuse wyvern]

I solved @serene locust ty

[river atlas]

I'm rly sry but how do I exit vim I'm actually serious

[fallow tusk]

:q

Or :q! if you have unsaved changes you want to discard

Ah, a thought: if you're in insert mode, you'll need to esc out to command mode to be able to send that.

[river raptor]

me kde plasma

[fallow tusk]

qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 1 3 3```

[shy yoke]

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The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[river raptor]

what

[fallow tusk]

You said you were KDE Plasma…KDE Plasma would know what to do with that

[river raptor]

okay i will do it

but i am real plasma kde trust me

[fallow tusk]

I don't need to trust, I ran a test. The test failed.

Never believe anything a computer tells you :)

[humble falcon]

Would passing the test just be not responding?

[fallow tusk]

Indeed

[river raptor]

yes dont trust the test

trust me

[fallow tusk]

Looks like a system fault; I'll just have to do a forced shutdown :p

…anyway. silliness aside…I take it there wasn't a unix-related question, was there?

[river raptor]

there wasnt i just wanted to say that i am kde plasma

and that i am real

[fallow tusk]

!ot

[shy yoke]

Off-topic channel: #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[fallow tusk]

^ that'd be the appropriate forum :)

[river raptor]

okay sorry

[pastel solar]

yes

[north hearth]

How do I pre-compile the standard library when building from source?
I know the Windows installer has a "precompile standard library" checkbox, but this is not so obvious when building from source. I looked through the ./configure flags but couldn't find anything, apart from that --enable-optimizations doesn't seem to do that: https://docs.python.org/3/using/configure.html#cmdoption-enable-optimizations

[fickle granite]

"make install" compiles all the python files

[modern oasis]

wıfı adapter workıng but not showıng wıfı networks

ın kalı lınux

why lıke that

[opaque ginkgo]

kali moment

[main olive]

Is putting the GNU public license into your source code files (that you wrote yourself, but contain module imports from third parties) safe or am I making myself liable to lawsuits?

Sorry if this is the wrong channel, I didn't know where else to ask

[humble falcon]

Lawsuits on what? And no, imports aren't copyrighted

[main olive]

I don't know, I don't really understand licensing and never published code before

I just want to put GNU public license on all my source files so everyone can use it

[quick tapir]

GNU means many many people won't use it

[fickle granite]

heh

[opaque ginkgo]

if you want everyone to be able to use it (incl closed source projects), put it under MIT

if you want to require that everyone that modifies it uses the same license (ie. derivatives must remain free), use gpl

[dense kernel]

Is this valid syntax?

for curr_run in "${RUNS_SETTINGS[@]}"
do

    cd ${...} && time ${PYTHON_BIN} ${FIRST_PY} 
    if [ $? -ne 0 ]
    then
        return 1
    fi

    sleep 5

done

specifically the return statement

[quick tapir]

that's not python

[wise forge]

good approach to writing long bash = not writing bash, but using python 😁

i would recommend using shell/bash stuff only to piping commands

[fickle granite]

what rmah said, and also: why not run it and see?

[nimble notch]

Yup for sure

[dense kernel]

no shit bruh

[quick tapir]

I am awesome at pointing out the obvious!

[dense kernel]

I personally agree with you, but in AWS its a mess executing python scripts with multiple arguements, and its impossible to run multiple commands one after the other (in RDS) so I have a .sh script that calls all the python scripts, but yeah I didnt write it, and I'm not sure if this is valid syntax because I've seen a similar error on Stackoveflow

[wise forge]

python makes a very clean solution to execute its scripts with argparse

all input values are named then

and it is always possible to use sys.argv to get arguments in same way as bash scripts

or using os.environ to get arguments from env if desired

python has no restrictiosns for input 🙂

[dense kernel]

the issue is AWS RDS not Python

you pass it an array for a command, for example ["python3", "script.py", "--smth", "blah"] but how can you run multiple scripts??

[wise forge]

have one script being facade to call other scripts
let facade to take all inputs for all scripts
let this entrypoint script call all other python script through directly invoking their run functions

you know... this is even design pattern called facade for this 🙂

[wise forge]

https://refactoring.guru/design-patterns/facade

[dense kernel]

thats more or less what I'm doing

but I gotta love how everybody is giving suggestions but nobody can answer if this syntax is correct or not

[wise forge]

Wait, u can change arguments right?

For different calls

Of this script

[dense kernel]

yeah

[wise forge]

argparse subparsers allow to have... Linked sub scripts to main script btw
https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html#other-utilities

U can use it even for linking script from another file, if disabling help for linked script

That is if u need invoking multiple scripts from one entry script

Each subparser can have its own independent set of arguments

[fresh trout]

does anyone have any tricks to setting a bash env var using python?

[fallow tusk]

You can set them and use them within your Python process (or subprocesses), but they won't persist back to the shell.

[fresh trout]

Yep, I want to persist them

kinda like how conda can do it

[polar mist]

hey, i'm using ffmpeg-python for making videos. after making it, ffmpeg process does appear in htop, is it ok in linux to have a process with 0 for cpu and memmory?

[fallow tusk]

You can use a shell script to call Python to generate a bash script that would then get called to set them

But that usually seems like more overhead than it's worth

[fresh trout]

the problem I am trying to solve it to make it multi-os

[polar mist]

or i need somehow to remove this process

[fallow tusk]

You'd need to do the same in DOS, too ;)

[fresh trout]

dang

[fallow tusk]

If those all have the parent PID of 1, then they are probably processes that have not exited cleanly. You can probably kill them.

[prime magnet]

I use zsh + pyenv + poetry

[fallow tusk]

If they are processses generated by another process, then they may just be idle because it's not using them, and they'll get cleaned up when it exits

[polar mist]

when i make another video, it makes new process

[fallow tusk]

"it"?

[polar mist]

program

[fallow tusk]

ffmpeg?

[polar mist]

python calls ffmpeg

[fallow tusk]

So is Python exiting cleanly?

[polar mist]

it is web server, so it isnt exit

it receives api call, and have to return video

[fallow tusk]

That suggests that the ffmpeg process that it started isn't ending, perhaps it's waiting on the Python process to exit...

If you end the Python process, do they all get tidied up? If not, then you probably need to do something in your script to ensure they actually terminate (I don't know what that might be)

[polar mist]

i found out, that ffmpeg-python returns popen subprocess

now it is a python question

it doesnt kill a process

[fallow tusk]

1. Does it execute that line?
2. What's the error message?

...

[polar mist]

no errors

[polar mist]

ofc

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4789837/how-to-terminate-a-python-subprocess-launched-with-shell-true

i tried this one

and it kinda works

after 3 requests it kills all 3 processes

however on 1 and 2 requests, processes exists

[fallow tusk]

Yeah. That's probably my point 1

And also suggests that the kill is unnecessary

Since you're yielding it, I imagine it is keeping a reference to the object around until the generator actually exits

[polar mist]

hm

[whole badger]

Anyone familiar with blueZ?

[shy yoke]

Nope.

No documentation found for the requested symbol.

[gloomy lava]

Can i use shell glob or regex for python arguments?

resolved it

[deep lava]

hello everyone. i have a python script running in the background with pid 48139. I wish to bring it to terminal (foreground) while i'm connected with ssh, so i can display the print(' ') commands. how i can do that ?

[wise forge]

It is called seeing logging information.

if u launch python script with systemd
Just request systemctl logs name
Or logs are also available in journalctl

If u launch script with docker.
Then just docker logs command can be seen

[deep lava]

i run with vscode over ssh

[wise forge]

Run in a proper way in background, u will be able requesting logs properly then

Start with simple systemd

[deep lava]

i have on this server other scripts that are configured to run as a service with systemd with pid 555

on command fg %555
the response is no such job

do i have a package missing or something ?

[wise forge]

systemctl status service_name

U will see short amount of latest logs

For full logs, learn how to request them with journalctl command

[deep lava]

thanks a lot !!! i can see the short amount now.

[wise forge]

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs
journalctl -u nginx.service

For full

[turbid flicker]

Hey guys ,
So in my ubuntu desktop , wifi is connecting only when I take my usb adapter out and reinsert it . What do I do , its not working default

[fallow tusk]

That could be something along the lines of it not starting up the usb service before it's started trying to connect wifi, so it doesn't see the dongle as a wifi device. If that's the case, you may be able to make it connect by using ip to bring that interface up once you're logged in.

The order things are brought up is determined by systemd services…

[river apex]

I'd defining logrotate.d for my httpd log on rhel server, is there any way i can control the masking of the compressed file?

[fickle granite]

"masking"? Do you mean the permissions?

[fresh trout]

I ended up solving this by adding a trap to my zsh. Instead what I have to do is write 4 traps. bash, zsh, cmd, ps, maybe fish?

and included a function in my library that will print those hooks out, so the user only needs to source them

[river apex]

I'm looking for some function like umask as it shouldn't be a one off change of permission

[fickle granite]

perhaps https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.html#os.umask ?

[wanton garnet]

my .py file in /var/www/vhosts/hardcore-vaughan.163-161.plesk.page/httpdocs/emadeus/ path, when i try to run by using python code.py i got error no module named numpy but when i try pip3 install numpy it says already satisfied in /usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages
can someone help me

[opaque ginkgo]

try with python3 code.py

[craggy tartan]

Where did you learn how to shell script

[humble falcon]

I personally wouldn't learn too much scripting, just the basics for running commands and maybe knowing some loops. For scripts I reuse a lot that do more than just basic commands, I'd use python or another lang

[quick geyser]

How does one install modules when using sbatch?

[main olive]

The best way to do this is know linux commands very well and then start putting sequences of commands into a bash shell script file. Then start to read about things like if statements and all that, and replacing values with variables, etc. Trying to make simple tasks more dynamic.

Python is in no way a replacement for bash shell scripting, nor would I suggest someone try to start doing that as a replacement. Reason being is all the sudden you have to constantly maintain technical debt in python that bash does with commands in linux natively. Also python can not replace specific bash commands and it would be silly to run execs from python constantly.

[humble falcon]

It depends on what you want to do, whether you want to distribute it, and if you already know another scripting lang imo. If it's just a script for yourself and you're comfortable in py, I don't really see the merit in learning a new lang if it can be done in one you already know

[craggy tartan]

thank you

I need to learn it for a college assignment

[wise forge]

python is greatest replacement to bash shell scripting. You just don't know how to cook it.

learn subprocess library and argparse

together they show amazing results.

subprocess.run("your command", shell=True, check=True) will ensure your command will run with non zero exit return code in case of error

argparse creates quite awesome self documented input to your scripts

[main olive]

Oh in that case, just search for bash script playlist

on youtube

[main olive]

If you did something in python that only required bash I would fire you. Because you don't need a missle launcher in a gun fight and all you do is make my life harder as an executive to find a replacement and incur giant amounts of technical debt.

thats cool but i wanted it to move some files.

if you write 100 lines to do that, you wasted my money

IT is a business that runs on lean efficiency to make money and beat competition, not a pissing match between engineers about how obscure they can do something that's later impossible to repair

when someone says "i need to solve this in bash because its required" that doesnt translate into "do it in python because i like python better"

especially in a unix channel

[wise forge]

And if u were that genius that writes parsers (or any too long bash scripts) in bash, without unit testing or any code readability, i would ensure it did not pass code review until u fixed it 🙂
https://github.com/b-fuze/batch-encoder/blob/master/config/parser.sh

[main olive]

he didnt ask for a parser,, that is where your argument is flawed

programming step number 1: define the problem

which you didnt do

you need a unit test to figure that one out?

[wise forge]

Any long script in bash without unit testing is idiocy, which is not readable and not maintainable

[main olive]

You're avoiding constraints obviously

the ask and the requirement was in bash I need to learn x to do y

where does that say spaz out and then go with python to code 50 lines of something and reference it with "because someone else did something totally random in python because it's rediculously complex" an answer to that?

no one asked for unit testing

lol

and when you cost a manager weeks of budget with jacking around when something took ten minutes to solve you think they won't reach down your throat and fire you? lol

give me a break

stop trying to solve things that arent requested

I want to hear some pass an interview with "forget your bash because i use unit tests in python" because they're going to laugh and say what??? when given the ask to use a bash script.

[river raptor]

what is the best way to parse /proc/<pid>/maps using python?

or a good way

[wise forge]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1401359/understanding-linux-proc-pid-maps-or-proc-self-maps
Quick googling to its format suggests

address           perms offset  dev   inode   pathname
08048000-08056000 r-xp 00000000 03:0c 64593   /usr/sbin/gpm

it is easily parsable with python regex(or may be even string.split is enough) recommending putting parsed input to List/Dict of @dataclass or to pydantic

import re

[wise forge]

may be there is no point to parse it though? may be necessary stuff can be already may be available in Monitoring solutions like Node Exporter agent to Prometheus

[river raptor]

i wanted to make a module for reading/writing memory and i wanted to do get a list of the address ranges

[river raptor]

([0-9a-f]+)-([0-9a-f]+) ([r-])([w-])([x-])([ps]) ([0-9a-f]+) ([0-9]+):([0-9]+) ([0-9]+)(?: +(.*))?
is this good? it matches everything

i didnt really know how i should do the path part

[wise forge]

are you sure you want to parse those values like that?
give me input data, i'll adjust regex to a bit better suggested way

[river raptor]

okay

[wise forge]

ergh. nvm. Anyway, i suggest making very general groups, capturing whole column at once

and then parsing further if necessary subvalues of column

[river raptor]

so the perms should be one and dev too?

[wise forge]

first, and rwxp looks good. I think time parsed with separate values is a bit bad though. may be parsing whole value with import datetime will be better

[river raptor]

okay

how can datetime do it

[wise forge]

well, find for yourself what will be easier 🙂 that is just an idea

[wise forge]

from datetime import datetime
datetime ... there are functions to parse datetime according to specified format in function

u will receive datetime object as result.

[river raptor]

but i dont need time

[wise forge]

no? it looked like datetime. nvm then

[river raptor]

what looked like datetime

address perms offset dev inode pathname these are the names of the values

okay i think i will use ([0-9a-f]+)-([0-9a-f]+) ([r-][w-][x-][ps]) ([0-9a-f]+) ([0-9]+:[0-9]+) ([0-9]+)(?: +(.*))?

i made perms and dev one

([0-9a-f]+-[0-9a-f]+) ([r-][w-][x-][ps]) [0-9a-f]+ [0-9]+:[0-9]+ [0-9]+(?: +(.*))?
i removed some stuff i don't need, this is what i will use, thanks for the help

[upbeat vine]

https://xon.sh/

dare me to install the forbidden shell

[midnight osprey]

Welcome to the xonsh shell 0.13.4

                                                   ~ Conches for the xonsh god! ~

[upbeat vine]

the xonsh god is pleased with your contribution

[main olive]

hello

my aliasing isn't working in WSL. i successfully declare an alias and then when i go to use it it says "no such file or directory"

this is after using alias to see it was indeed declared properly

maybe it cannot work with cat? does it only work for commands or executables?

[ember quiver]

what exactly is the alias that is giving you that error?

[main olive]

a custom alias. the scripts are in a distant directory and i'd like to alias their path and name so that i can simply use their name instead

[dapper musk]

you should add that directory to PATH

instead of aliasing it

also you have most probably typed path wrong

"no such file or directory" usually indicated that sort of stuff

[humble cove]

can someone help me out with this I have been trying all day

im trying to make it so they can access sftp on a specific folder only and not be able to log into ssh or have root

[wise forge]

recursive chmod to files is
chmod 700 -R /home/Dan_Files

[humble cove]

same thing

I did it all from start again

I deleted the user and dir

this is what it looks like in sshd_config

[vernal sedge]

anyone aware if there is a way to have subprocess.Popen pass something as FD 3 on unix/linux and/or another safe way to run a subprocess thats getting a extra pipe for a binary protocol thats not supposed to interfere with the stdio

[wise forge]

explain your end goal? expected result better?

[vernal sedge]

I want to spawn python subprocess and have a communication channel to them that's using a binary protocol without abusing stdio for that as we currently do with execnet

[wise forge]

oh. u want real time sending input and getting output from it?

i only had case where i had output to python and stdout at the same time

never needed sending input in real time too

[runic goblet]

i obviously have a knowledge gap somewhere here, what does binary protocol mean in this context?

i remember i tried to use python to do something similar, i.e. sending user input to a subprocess
but couldn't figure it out, ended up using expect in a shell script instead :\

[wise forge]

it looks like it is possible to send input in real time.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html
at least stdin is possible to override
is, and Popen.communicate with example is whown how to do that
https://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen.communicate

[wise forge]

there pyexpect version for python btw, which should be more comfortable

[runic goblet]

yeah i only now discovered this, oh wells, it's already in prod, not gonna fix it if it ain't broke 😛

[runic goblet]

yeah, but the program i am interacting with is really picky about something that i can't quite remember, maybe it's the presence of a tty or something like that
and subprocess doesn't quite do that (or i didn't figure out how to get it to do that)

[wise forge]

well, we don't understand you, but i can recommend reading throughly official documentation and discovering all options for yourself
https://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html

[vernal sedge]

Based on the docs, the capability of posix spawn is not exposed to the subprocess popen api

It seems that the combination of pass_fds gets halfway there, i just can't tell it to dup2 it from the current fileno to the new fileno before exec

[devout current]

Hi guys

I have error with import of a packet of python on kali linux

Anyone can help me ?

[fickle granite]

@devout current that's what #1035199133436354600 is for

[hallow herald]

do the standard file picker dialogs in linux distros offer to change the text of the "Select" / "OK" buttons?

[main olive]

no

[summer trail]

Do you specifically need it to be fd 3? Or could you let it be passed with whatever fd it already has in the parent process, and communicate the fd to use to the child process via a command line argument or message on stdin? Or, heck, by making the child process enumerate its open fds?

But also, there's no requirement that stdin/stdout be text. I wouldn't consider sending binary data on stdio to be an abuse.

[summer trail]

You could do that dup2 with a preexec_fn

[vernal sedge]

hijacking stdio which by default is the target of print, certain default loggers and more as well as the target file descriptor of numerous other librariers iwth python bindings certainly makes it a footgun to hijack them

[vernal sedge]

preexec_fn is not supported in subinterpreters (which i want to add to execnet so that pytest-xdist can use sub-interpreters for concurrent tests) and pretty much comes with warnings wrt thread-safety, as execnet is using threads (in most unfortunate ways conceived back with python 2.4)

[summer trail]

preexec_fn runs after fork and before exec, so I don't see how it could have any thread-safety concerns - at the time when preexec_fn runs, there's only one thread (unless someone has installed an after-fork handler that spawned a thread like some kind of maniac, I suppose)...

you could always just exec a program that does the dup2 and then exec's the real program, I suppose

[summer trail]

That technique is probably only useful if you can't modify the code of the final program you're trying to exec. If you can, you might as well write it to accept the file descriptor to use as an environment variable or CLI argument or something, rather than hardcoding 3, and then you don't need the dup2 at all

[barren temple]

Anyone have exp with tinkerboard? What is the process of getting started with https://github.com/TinkerBoard/buildroot ? Learn Makefiles, learn buildroot, add your own thing into packages, make menuconfig and build image? I want to build an app on tinkerboard, and I want to setup github actions to build an image with the app installed.

[fleet olive]

is

[vernal sedge]

i'll use a argument, its better to use the dup2 in code i control for certain, thanks for the input

[barren saffron]

Does anyone here know about tmux?
Because when I wan't to detach a session with the keys Ctrl+b d nothing happens. I can only use Ctrl+c but then it closes the session. Any help?
I'm on raspberry pi 4

[warped osprey]

is the session running in foreground

[barren saffron]

I think so

[warped osprey]

try tmux detach

[barren saffron]

tmux new-session -d -s izdabot 'python3.11 main.py'
this is the command where I start the session

[barren saffron]

In my session?

[warped osprey]

the session you want to detach, like Type tmux ls and it will return a list of IDs then detch tmux detach -s <session id>

Id or the name of the session

[barren saffron]

Okay thanks but another question

huh

I cant exit out of my session when im in the session

[barren temple]

it doesn't say it's attached. Try attach it and then quit whatever you have there

[barren saffron]

When I press Ctrl+b d it wont get out of my session

[barren temple]

ctrl+b k might help?

[warped osprey]

just check if the command is right : tmux list-keys | grep detach

[barren saffron]

Dont work

[barren saffron]

wait

[warped osprey]

That shows the key bindings

[barren saffron]

So that means Ctrl+b d is the detach key binding right?

[barren temple]

yes

[barren saffron]

But when I press this in my session nothing happens

HUH What is that

[barren temple]

it doesn't say it's even attached

[barren saffron]

Is it now attached?

[barren temple]

probably? 😄

[barren saffron]

Yes but Ctrl+b d still not working

[barren temple]

what is azda bot

[barren saffron]

A sh!... project I made while I was bored

But this is not the problem

[barren temple]

does the sessions list say it's attached?

[barren saffron]

yes

[warped osprey]

its a mess, just create a new session and attach to it

[barren temple]

ctrl b (release ctrl) d

[barren saffron]

HUH WT..F

Finally

[warped osprey]

tmux new-session -s <session-name> to create a new session and then typing tmux attach -t <session-name> to attach to it.

[warped osprey]

did you get it

[barren saffron]

Omg... The problem was just that I didn't release Ctrl+b ctrl and then pressed ctrl d

I'm so sorry for wasting your Golden time

[warped osprey]

happens 😄

[barren temple]

no problem 😄

[barren saffron]

Thank you both so much!

[barren temple]

you're welcome

[barren saffron]

i appreciate it haha

[main olive]

Hi, how do i turn a python project into a Linux executable? What is the best way to make it distributable?

[fickle granite]

there's something called pyinstaller that claims to do that, but I've never gotten it to work

it's insanely complex

[dapper musk]

it depends what do you mean by executable

if by executable you mean file that can be executed ie you can run it through <pathToFIle>

then you can just add line

#!/usr/bin/env python3

on top of your script

and chmod a+x it and if your script does't depend on any non standard libraries you should be fine

if by executable you mean an binary file then like offby1 said you need to use pyinstaller

you might also try using guix package manager and it's pack subcommand

[wise forge]

if it is Web related project, then usually best choice to just pack it into Docker image 🙂 And executing container of it. book Docker Deep Dive for reference. Docker is compatible with all web related deployment systems at cloud providers and etc
Best if it is ready to use web application built for this purpose (Flask/Django/FastAPI and etc)

[wise forge]

there is always a choice to distribute it as just pip installable package btw. It can hook commands into Linux machine for shortcut usage.
Good idea to go this way it it is some CLI tool made in python.

[main olive]

its a cli tool i think ill go with setuptools

[wise forge]

if your package has too many tricky dependencies, u can offer it optionally as installable pip package as a binary

pyscopg2 and psycopg2-binary pip packages do that

[main olive]

Ok, thank you, ill also consider that

[acoustic mist]

yeah

[steep sequoia]

i know im a bit late, but you can use freeze!

it was. literally created for this purpose

https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/main/Tools/freeze

https://docs.python.org/3/faq/programming.html#how-can-i-create-a-stand-alone-binary-from-a-python-script

and its also what the docs say to use

you should use it!

[river raptor]

Hello everyone, i was trying to install Arch and when i tried to install grub it gave me this

[fallow tusk]

That just indicates that the keys aren't up-to-date... let me find the package you need

Ah, yes. Probably just bash sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring

and then do the update

You should probably -Syy before adding a package, anyway.

@river raptor ^^

So the following in order are probably a good way forward: bash sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring sudo pacman -Syyu sudo pacman -S grub

[river raptor]

@fallow tusk thanks for trying to help, one of my friends helped me, i did this what he said in picture into /etc/pacman.conf

but i also have another problem now

arch is installed

but

no internet

if i do pacman -Sy wpa_supplicant it fails because no internet

i am currently on kubuntu 22.04.1 lts, can i just copy my wpa_supplicant to the arch /bin?

[fallow tusk]

What does ip a say?

[river raptor]

wait

[fallow tusk]

You're connecting via wifi, I take it

[river raptor]

Yes

This is IP a

[fallow tusk]

Yep, OK, so at least it sees the wifi adapter. Yes, I think you're right - install wpa_supplicant, and copy the config across

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wpa_supplicant

[river raptor]

How do i install WPA supplicant If i dont have Internet connection

[fallow tusk]

lol. Yes...good question. You can't wire it in?

[river raptor]

Wait

[fallow tusk]

You should be able to download the packages from a system that is connected and install them locally (iirc)

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offline_installation

[river raptor]

It told me to pacman -U /package/folder/*.tar.zst

Where do i Download the tar.zst

@fallow tusk

[fallow tusk]

https://w1.fi/releases/wpa_supplicant-2.10.tar.gz

[river raptor]

Then i do Pacman -U and the path?

[fallow tusk]

I believe so; I can't recall, but ISTR doing that once or twice previously

The problem may be dependencies

(I don't have an arch system in front of me to try thing on right now)

[river raptor]

Okay

[river raptor]

What dependencies

[fallow tusk]

Any the package needs...if there are any

I don't see anything specified on the page

[river raptor]

okay

im on ubuntu, now i will download it and put it into the arch drive?

[fallow tusk]

Are you chrooting into the arch environment?

[river raptor]

i just installed arch then booted to arch

[fallow tusk]

If the Ubuntu system is on the same laptop, then you can make things a little quicker by chrooting into arch and doing the setup by jumping into and out of arch like that.

[river raptor]

how to do that?

[fallow tusk]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chroot#Using_chroot

[river raptor]

your son died so you just decided to join the python discord and ask for giving a ps5

[fallow tusk]

Sorry, that counts as advertising, which is not allowed on this server.

[river raptor]

true

i think it was a scam

[quick tapir]

what if he was telling the truth?

[fallow tusk]

Aye

[river raptor]

i dont think so

[quick tapir]

I mean, it was probably a scam, sure

[fallow tusk]

That doesn't stop it from being advertising

[river raptor]

why would anyone give a ps5 for free especially when its new

[quick tapir]

because it reminded him of his dead son and he wanted rid of it?

[river raptor]

but why for free?

[quick tapir]

because he's too distraught to think about money right now?

[fallow tusk]

It's irrelevant.

[quick tapir]

wow, that's cold man 😋

[river raptor]

@fallow tusk

[root@localhost /]# pacman -S wpa_supplicant
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (4) duktape-2.7.0-5  pcsclite-1.9.9-3  polkit-122-1  wpa_supplicant-2:2.10-8

Total Download Size:   0.39 MiB
Total Installed Size:  9.27 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
:: Retrieving packages...
 polkit-122-1-x86_64                                         395.9 KiB  1816 KiB/s 00:00 [####################################################] 100%
(4/4) checking keys in keyring                                                           [####################################################] 100%
(4/4) checking package integrity                                                         [####################################################] 100%
error: polkit: signature from "Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) <[e-mail]>" is unknown trust
:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/polkit-122-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] n
error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package)
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
[root@localhost /]#

[fallow tusk]

You still need to install the keyring

[river raptor]

how

@fallow tusk

[fallow tusk]

The same way

[river raptor]

what

with pacman?

[fallow tusk]

You'll need to get the package and update it

Sounds like the installation medium you used was somewhat old; did you not have internet access in the installer?

[river raptor]

my installation medium is a usb stick i bought some years ago, i downloaded the iso from archlinux.org and used balenaetcher to put arch to the usb

i did have internet access in the installer

[fallow tusk]

OK. Then you're better off going back to the installer and using that to install the packages you need

[river raptor]

in the installer i had wpa_suplicant

[fallow tusk]

Yeah, in the live system, but you didn't install it in the system you were building.

You can use pacstrap to add things like that

[river raptor]

oh okay

so i need to reinstall arch?

[fallow tusk]

I'm surprised, though, that pacstrap didn't install the latest keyring.

[river raptor]

how do i install the latest keyring

[fallow tusk]

That's probably the easiest. You can just go from section 1.11 or even 2.2

[river raptor]

okay

@fallow tusk

[fallow tusk]

OK...I don't know, now :)

[river raptor]

Okay

I'll try rebooting

[river raptor]

i gave up, when adding someting with pacstrap i got an error wiht no more space left

[fallow tusk]

Odd. That sounds like you were trying to install to the live system, not the target

[river raptor]

what should i do

[fallow tusk]

It may be worth starting from scratch, with this new knowledge :)

I've done that a few times when installing arch - usually I've just missed a (not-so) minor step

[river raptor]

but i dont know what i should do instead

i did
pacstrap /mnt base base-devel linux linux-firmware dhcpcd nano wpa_supplicant

[fallow tusk]

Just do everything again, but ensuring you add wpa_supplicant during the pacstrap

[river raptor]

i did that

[fallow tusk]

From scratch?

[river raptor]

okay wait i will do it one more itme

@fallow tusk still Not working

No space left on devic

When Doing mkinitcpio -p linux

[fallow tusk]

Ah…is the /boot partition pretty small? it may have run out of entries in the UEFI …err…thinggy (technical term!!)

[river raptor]

100mb i cant make it bigge

I think

[fallow tusk]

I've had to clean that out before now. But the easier option is to make a bigger partition…yeah

[river raptor]

I have a 500mb Partition, how can i use that instead?

On /dev/nvme0n1p5

nvme0n1p3*

How can i use that instead

[fallow tusk]

It should tell you in the installation instructions - where it explains how to partition the disk

[river raptor]

I didnt find it

@fallow tusk

I think i got it

Wajt

Now its says pacstrap Not found

Im going up

I will try again tomorrow or Something

Now this but i dont ude Windows anymore

[fallow tusk]

That definitely sounds like a UEFI problem.

You may need to get familiar with the UEFI shell, if only to boot one of the entries that have (presumably) been corrupted

[river raptor]

its alright i dont use windows

oh wait it didnt find pacstrap because i was in the chrort

chroot

[fallow tusk]

That'd do it :)

[river raptor]

how do i make the fourth partition the efi partition or how do i resize my efi partiotion with 100mb

[fallow tusk]

To increase the existing 100MB partition, you're going to have to decrease part 4 to give it enough space, then move partitions 3 and 2 up.

I'm not sure about making part 4 the EFI partition…

[river raptor]

okay

how do i move partitions?

[fallow tusk]

fdisk or one of its gui counterparts

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fdisk

[river raptor]

im going to sleep now, could i talk to you tomorrow please? i found gparted and i will try to use the live usb

[fallow tusk]

I probably won't be online until 10:00 GMT, but anytime after that

[river raptor]

It's alright

[ebon breach]

Between fedora, manjaro or Ubuntu , which would you recommend?

[neat jasper]

I hate to say depends, but it depends. I always pick fedora because its based on redhat which is an industry standard build. fedora is on the bleeding end of that because red hat do not want to release unproven builds into the industry... So if you are developing skills for the industry then fedora. Its also great even if you are not interested in that. Ubuntu is the most popular i would say but not that sure. i dont go for that because the packaging is different. but if you were wanting to play steam games on linux, then that would be better fit.

[ebon breach]

Thanks you , i only want linux for programming

[neat jasper]

the real difference is the packaging . fedora uses rpm with is different from debian builds which ubuntu belong

[fallow tusk]

I guess the analogy I was looking for was: "Do you recommend a Ford, a Nissan or a Peugeot?" - mostly it's down to individual preference, with slight differences in how they "handle"

And Manjaro is an Arch-based build, so uses pacman (which I think is its own thing, but can handle .debs with some fiddling)

In terms of what interface they provide and the availability of things for coding - they're much of a muchness. Throw each in a VM and try them out

[neat jasper]

the other thing that i am a bit picky about is the UI. I like Mate version of fedora. i think that this is the real thing that will affect you. I really didnt like (ad well as others) the gnome UI. Mate is gnome2 style. gnome3 was mac look alike. I never liked mac ui

[fallow tusk]

I've avoided Gnome for a while, now ;) But, yes, each distribution will allow you to use different Desktop Environments. That is even more a matter of taste.

If all you want to do is code, then you could get away without a DE entirely.

[neat jasper]

Hard core 🙂

[ebon breach]

Ok, thanks you so much. I think fedora will be a good choice for me

[neat jasper]

yeh its solid

[fallow tusk]

I should probably run up a Fedora VM and try it again. I never got on with RHEL, though.

[neat jasper]

i stoped using windows altogether and just use Fedora Mate build

you dont need a vm for that

just a usb they have the LIVE version to checkout

if you like it just install from usb

[fallow tusk]

Well, I'd still run the live version in a VM, tbh. Means I can still do stuff whilst I tinker

[neat jasper]

sure

usb is less hassle i think thats why i suggest it

and its a good option to check out the different UI options. there are quite a few now.

[neat jasper]

its been a while since i used a VM. All the kids use docker or podman now. what setup do you have ?

[fallow tusk]

Currently I'm switching between Windows and Linux on the laptop as my desktop died. I have Arch as the main Linux system, this is currently a Lubuntu VM.

The Arch system is running the remnants of a Garuda install, which I think is running Plasma. The VM is running qtile with no DE.

[river raptor]

Ubuntu with kde

[humble falcon]

+1 for Garuda

[river raptor]

Hsitirb i installed arch, thank you for helping, i used cfdisk to delete the partitions and Made a efi Partition half a Gigabyte, 8g swap and everything else is the root directory, i asked in the arch discord for more help and i got help with everything

[main olive]

hehe, and bypass all the fun of the arch forums install experience? jk, congrats on your new install!

[river raptor]

Thank you, what do you mean by bypassing the fun of Arch Forums install experience?

[river raptor]

read the fucking manual.

i read the installation guide

[main olive]

no worries. I wasn't criticizing you, just remarking on the traditionally accepted arch culture. though i appreciate and respect the community it's not really my flavor since arch has selectively adopted things which meet their KISS standard and avoided some development tools for the same reasons.

then again, I'm boring. debian was generally good enough (stable, development, usable, 'it just works') without the bloat of ubuntu. cent was nice, but then redhat was acquired by IBM. fedora is great for development if you can accept potential risks to stability. however, every distro previously mentioned makes use of systemd which is the least unix compliant technology ever.

[reef sluice]

Anyone know how i can escape `help' in kali nethunter

[misty yew]

what do u mean?

did u try
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