career-advice

[buoyant seal]

Android development is Java / Kotlin

iOS is Swift

Js is unusual thing that can do it, but not really gladly looked upon thing. Because.... Js is js.

[pastel thunder]

can someone comment on experience part of my resume

i am 3rd year student currently 2019-2023

[near ocean]

I personally wouldn't name drop my supervisors or list my grades and talk more about what i did or what the project was about

[pastel thunder]

got it, and i need to elaborate mitsubishi and EVER, right?

[near ocean]

Sure, how much space do you have in the rest of the cv, if you dont have enough then just reword the single line you have i guess

[pastel thunder]

i do have space, i also think i can drop size by 1, that would give 5 to 6 lines more

gotta get that publications done urgently, lmao i dont have any publication section till now

[dense mesa]

Talk more about your results and why they were impactful, don't waste space talking about what you did or how you did it. Save that stuff for the interview

[honest pivot]

You "worked on" or were "actively involved" in these projects, but it's much stronger to be able to mention some concrete thing you achieved (without revealing anything proprietary about the project, of course).

[pastel thunder]

for soft dev., what kind of impact can i talk about?

[dense mesa]

You need to talk about your impacts regardless of what you're applying for

[pastel thunder]

tbh there wasnt any impact but still to mention lmao, what can i say

[honest pivot]

Start by thinking about which parts you were responsible for. Then think about why those parts are important. And then think about numbers.

"Designed (blah) which increased the (blah) by (blah)"

[pastel thunder]

👍

its kinda like you need 5 marks by giving 10 point but only remember 8 points

[pastel thunder]

and also, is this experience ok/appreciable (after i make the neccessary changes)? i am emailing professor with this to give me research opportunity under them

[honest pivot]

Not sure what you're asking

[pastel thunder]

i am emailing some professor, to conduct research in DL domain under their guidance, i hope they find me me well experienced(in DL).

[honest pivot]

There's no need to tag me. Your previous question appears to be asking someone to judge whether your level of experience will get you the position. I don't think anybody can guess, you'll just have to try.

[pastel thunder]

ok, thank you

[analog sun]

Hello, this server isn't a job board. Please do not post unapproved advertising here.

[real oyster]

hello everyone, im a cs student actively seeking internships so am looking for some advice on a cv.

i don't have any professional experience in dev work, although I have other work experience which I guess could have some transferable skills.

I hear so many mixed messages in HR shit, I have no idea what order and whether to include on my CV as im applying to my first job in this field.

I have a decent project (I think)/soft skills, I know VCS, Agile and CI/CD(to some extent, at least). Do I included that stuff somewhere?

I was gonna format it: Info > Objective > Education > Projects > Work Exp. > Skills/Interests.

Any advice is really helpful, I am often rejected. So either I need to improve my projects or fix up my CV a lot, lol

[dense mesa]

Post your CV with identifiable information blanked out

[gilded valley]

That wouldn't be the typical order

CVs can be skills oriented or experience oriented. If experience oriented, the format that seems most common to me is: Info > Education > Experience > Projects > Skills. For Skills oriented: Info > Skills > Education > Experience > Projects

and unless there's a very good reason to include it - you can leave out the waffley "objectives" bit

[real oyster]

oki will do, I need to update it a bit first😅

[real oyster]

My only other relevant job is retail store manager. I have decent soft skiils I feel, some hard skills. So I'm not really sure what order I should go for

[gilded valley]

as Anz said - for anything more specific than a broad outline, you probably just want to post your CV

[real oyster]

Alright thanks guys, will post it here soon

[dire jungle]

how can I someone call the following ??

a seasoned developer one who knows architecture , and how to scale , implement , open source components with closed one into a functional component, working with business analysts and adapt based on business objectives , crafting some sow.

integration developer?

[real oyster]

here's the CV. If anything, I'd say it feels a little 'empty'

not sure if I should be including soft skills somewhere. also I barely write cover letters, maybe I should start doing that?

[earnest nest]

Hello everyone I will start studying coding at the University next year what laptop and with which characteristics do you recommend me ?
Tnx for your replies

[near ocean]

How come you suggest education over work experience? As soon as I got relevant experience of any kind I made my education section a footnote basically

[vapid jay]

How would you suggest getting work experienc?

[near ocean]

Internships if you're a student or entry level gigs

[gilded valley]

Education first for students because often the experience is less relevant than the education and you want the most relevant thing first

I'm not claiming this as gospel - just what I did and what was recommended to me most often

I definitely agree that once you have relevant experience it doesn't make near as much sense - but I'm assuming most students only have at best tangentially relevant rexperience

[dense mesa]

Education first until you finish education and get a job imo

[near ocean]

I just realised that the experience part for my current work position is written in the past tense, should I change it or do i leave to be consistent with other sections

[vapid jay]

I botched a very easy interview but for a year long internship that would put me out of school for a year. Should I just focus on my degree for now?

Cuz i know a year of your youth cannot really come back and it was for a 10k lesser payout

[gilded valley]

It depends on your specific circumstances, IMO summer internships are better than a whole year in industry - but either one is better than graduating with no experience. I'd suggest actively looking for experience opportunities whilst making absolutely sure you don't fail your degree

[vapid jay]

there are very few summer internships here in uk so thats what im worried about

[gilded valley]

There are plenty of summer internships in the UK

If you're looking to do one for the coming summer - you've pretty much completely missed the window for big corps, but you might find smaller companies who are more flexible

I say coming summer - there are probably internships that are already starting this month

[vapid jay]

there are but they are getting application bombed

[gilded valley]

so you just need to A) stand out as much as possible B) apply to as many as possible

[vapid jay]

like 50 - 100 applications for new ones. one 10 hours ago posted got 79 applicants

[gilded valley]

well you're looking at the complete wrong time

[vapid jay]

I have been looking at those throughout the year

[gilded valley]

It is 100% possible to land an internship with mediocre experience, but not for the coming summer. From the sounds if it you're a second year student who missed out on a placement year - if that's the case, then focusing on your degree is probably a good idea. If you're not a penultimate year student, I would suggest doing as much as you can to beef up your CV and come September/October, start applying to as many internships as you can stomach

[vapid jay]

yes. i only had one technical interview and i poured water onto my laptop during it

But the year in industry would pay me 18k and entry positions start at like 25k so that kinda put me off

[real oyster]

gonna bump this for when anyone has anytime to give it a critique

[gilded valley]

My main suggestion is to just add a lot more fluff to your skills section. I've heard mixed things about including soft skills (like teamwork/communication etc), but I think it's a reasonable idea to include them, and you can definitely include things like agile and TDD in the skills section

[near ocean]

you could have the langs and libraries formatted differently

i do single line, pipe (|) separated list

kinda like so, fills the screen more

should probably throw more things in there

[gilded valley]

I feel like your projects section could also be restructured. Maybe have the first bullet explain what the thing is and why it's cool ("Full stack web app which allows users to track their favourite movies") and have the later bullet points focus on specific technologies/techniques you used

[vapid jay]

How much did oyu guys struggle finding your first job cuz im pretty nervous

[graceful mason]

You can get much more than 18k with a placement year - mine was for 30k.

[real oyster]

okay thank you, will do that

[vapid jay]

Are you serious? thats a lot of money

[real oyster]

also will do this. Thanks guys

[vapid jay]

How did you get the job? how was the interviewing process?

[gilded valley]

Highest I've heard of is 50k followed by a grad offer for 90k. I've heard of plenty in the 30-40 range.

My company offers 32 iirc

[real oyster]

I’d be happy to land any entry level role at the rate I’m going😬

[vapid jay]

same here. I only have projects regarding some basic robotics and machine visionlearning project thats it

[gilded valley]

The fact you're actively looking for experience before you've graduated means you're almost certainly above average in employability - don't stress about it too much, but it is worth putting effort into searching for that experience

[graceful mason]

Not through the standard process. I missed the window for applying to the company and instead was about to get an internship with a worse company. After quarantine started every company I applied to emailed to say they weren't taking any interns, and I was planning to take a gap year instead. My dad recently started working there in a different department and convinced a team to take a look at my CV (they have a scheme where they give a lot of priority to referrals), which they followed up with an online coding test, hour long technical interview, and 30 minute culture fit interview.

They have started taking interns through the normal application process now though

[vapid jay]

woowy youre lucky

[real oyster]

yeah I’d definitely love the experience. An SRE reached out to me who helped me learn more proper practices companies expect, and encouraged me to start applying.

Got a couple interviews but nothing solid, I hear some companies will ignore your CV unless you include a cover letter so I think I need to do that too

[real oyster]

are you having much luck? You look like you have a lot more experience from your CV

[vapid jay]

few, only had one technicl interview where i spilled water onto my laptop

[real oyster]

not good🤣

[vapid jay]

i take it as a message from god ahha

[graceful mason]

If you wanted to lean more into embedded go into some more details for the projects. What sort of hardware did you use, do you have experience with motor control, LiDAR, vision etc?

[vapid jay]

Thanks it sounds like good advice. Do they really want to see that much detail? Ill join a robotics team for next year so hopefully ill have uni level robotics in my cv as well

[graceful mason]

It helps to show passion and experience, here's an example ad showing the sorts of things they might be looking for https://boards.greenhouse.io/ocadotechnology/jobs/5982145002

[vapid jay]

yep, I applied to this one and they given me 3 leetcode like questions. solved two and the third was off. turns out there is a lot of applicants

[graceful mason]

Oh you applied to that exact position?

[vapid jay]

yep i think so. at ocado

[graceful mason]

That isn't one of their internships, they're looking for more experienced people for that

[vapid jay]

yeah noticed it. would i be able to apply for mid level robotics roles if i get experience in uni level robotics/

[graceful mason]

Depends what you define as uni level robotics - if you don't get a chance on your course, try just putting together a robot yourself. Make sure you have a strong understanding of common concepts like motion control, mapping, pathfinding etc. If you're specifically interested in Ocado you might want to take a look at QP/C

[vapid jay]

We have our international Robocup team at uni so im joining that

[graceful mason]

That will definitely look good on a CV, just make sure you get a varied experience. The most important thing will be to get a year in industry though

[vapid jay]

yeah but im third year now so no way i can get it

[vapid jay]

i want to learn python but i dont know what i can do with it

[dense mesa]

Good place to get help would be #python-discussion , this channel is for career discussion

[dull moat]

@dense mesa can you help me

[wild warren]

does anyone know how working as a 13 yaer old flies in the US? the laws cnofuse me 😦

[jagged glade]

https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/workersunder18

Generally speaking, the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets the minimum age for employment (14 years for non-agricultural jobs), restricts the hours youth under the age of 16 may work, and prohibits youth under the age of 18 from being employed in hazardous occupations

[jagged glade]

more details and state-specific legislation can be summarized here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_working_age#Americas

[wild warren]

hmm thanks - luckily im 14 soon so i can work yay

[delicate bane]

some of your bullet points are better written than others. i would try to make them all as good. is there a certain role youre aiming for? i would probably try to tailor your cv accordingly, especially if you have other projects, bc it seems kinda general right now. your skills i would tweak + reorganize to more columns and either place them at the very top or place them after projects.

if youre going for robotics, i would give up the other projects and that space for more robotics projects

[dense mesa]

You can't boof python 😔

[karmic merlin]

!warn 421208045629079553 this isn't a place to advertise your services.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @frozen quiver.

[pastel thunder]

What are some good consultancy services from admissions abroad in US, canada, etc. To help with lor, sop, shortlisting

[dense mesa]

?

[pastel thunder]

Ms admission stuff

[dense mesa]

How would a consultancy service help?

[severe kiln]

Hi everyone, just wondering, do we have Python freelancers on here too? I am looking for a Python dev for a project.

[vapid jay]

Thanks. I am going for embedded roles mostly

[gilded valley]

This server doesn't allow recruitment

[severe kiln]

Apologies. Never mind please.

[gilded valley]

A lot of people tend to ask about bootcamps in this chat, there's a relatively interesting blogpost and HN thread about them here. The tl;dr is that the value in the bootcamp comes from: Building a network and meeting other motivated people, and having a curriculum forced on you
https://lowlyswe.substack.com/p/my-experience-getting-a-tech-job
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31229504

leesec

My experience getting a tech job with no degree or relevant work experience

Hacker News · May 1, 2022, 10:50 PM

[smoky quest]

Hi!
You are asking this in the wrong channel. This is #career-advice .
You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help to increase your chances of help

[vapid jay]

hi

[drowsy drum]

if I'm not looking to make programming a long term career, and would prefer to do remote part time work.

what paths would you suggest?

[smoky quest]

Depends on what you can do or what interests you

[drowsy drum]

I'm interested in logic puzzles (usually in games, but I get a similar feel making a working script), am a math major self-taught in python and took courses in java

[smoky quest]

remote part time would most likely point to freelancing.
I don't think puzzle solving would be much sought out after 😉

That leaves small development and things like webdev, I guess
You could look also into tutoring

[drowsy drum]

Puzzle solving is interchangeable with problem solving for me

solving a chamber in portal feels the same as working on a medium leetcode

[smoky quest]

that's great! Employers will look for solutions.
The typical problems to solve are much larger in scope than leetcode puzzles though. That could mean things like ensuring their ecommerce website is setup and working

I would recommend to go through a freelancing website and looking at the type of jobs available. It will give you a sense of the market

[drowsy drum]

what about data entry/analysis jobs are those common?

[smoky quest]

I don't know how common, but they exist.

[dense mesa]

They're relatively more common but entry is completely different to analysis

[drowsy drum]

yeah, was just combining them because I think analysis may encompass needing to collect and stratify data

[dense mesa]

You may wanna look at typical requirements for the roles

[smoky quest]

also data entry is pretty much minimum/low wage. So that may not be what you are looking for

[drowsy drum]

I took a data science course once, and they emphasised webscraping a bit is why I associated the two, but if they don't overlap then I'll ignore the entry portion

[vapid jay]

i need help

[drowsy drum]

its not necessary to ask, you can just state your query

[smoky quest]

By entry position, it typically understood (at least by me :p ) that it's about manually entering data.
So quite different from web scraping

Hi!
It's not a meme channel.

[drowsy drum]

gotcha

[grizzled tundra]

Hi, there "is" no meme channel

[smoky quest]

You could always ask about it in #community-meta , but that's not a reason to pollute other channels

[grizzled tundra]

Yeah you're probably right. No point in posting it here.

[dense mesa]

If it's a career related question, ask here. Otherwise go to #❓｜how-to-get-help

[rough jolt]

Anyone from america I have a question for you pls dm me

[peak halo]

Just ask in the chat. People aren't going to want to dm you to find out what the question is.

[lean moth]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[lean moth]

@steep dagger , please remove your message

[analog sun]

Hello, this server is not an ad board, and please do not post unapproved advertisements.

[frosty prism]

ишпзв

[dense mesa]

Чё?

[frosty prism]

сам хз

[analog sun]

!rule 4 please

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[dense mesa]

Oh yeah lol

[frosty prism]

всм

[dense mesa]

That's not even russian lol

[vapid jay]

Would a general cv be good in terms of applying to bunch of different roles? should be tailored specifically

[dense mesa]

Have a general 2 pager which gets cut down to 1 page depending on role

[vapid jay]

ooh thank you

[vapid jay]

can you take a look at my cv if i post it here?

[dense mesa]

Just post it here with identifiable information blanked out and people will look

[devout bramble]

Hlo I am going start learning data science ...can any 1 help with th road map and where to start 🙂

[dense mesa]

https://roadmap.sh/python

This will get you familiar with Python, use that to go into DS

[pure otter]

https://medium.com/@ArtisOne/data-science-roadmap-2020-b256fb948404 (i am following this and one currently learning ML stuff)

[vapid jay]

How many applications before you got a job?

It takes 21 to 80 job applications to get one job offer, on average. The average corporate job opening receives roughly 250 applications. 61.7% of job seekers get at least one interview by sending between 1-10 job applications. 51% of job seekers receive a job offer after having three job interview

[molten owl]

Hey guys..
I need help, I am planning to take up data science as a masters degree but have no idea where to start... I am a mechanical engineer but I am lost in my current work and really find data science interesting infact have been self taught and have a few projects too.. I also am certified in lean six sigma

I am hoping to get some guidance on how to take up a masters course and what would be the requirements

Any help is welcome 🙏

[dire jungle]

lets say you have been working in two technology sub industries software dev and security or IOT hardware . how do you build a resume mix everything into a single one or just a pretty specific resume?

[near fern]

mmm well

i aint no data scientist but way I'd approach it is just pick a direction and start walking and figure out the essential collumns on the way yk? Like big a real big and complicated project and then disect what you'd need to do step by step

[near ocean]

2 resumes, each specific to the industry or better yet the company and role you want to land

[mortal wedge]

For those who transitioned into a leadership role, how did you learn to manage people?

[balmy spade]

Cliché but lots of books and many mistakes.

[mortal wedge]

Echoing two resumes unless you’re desperate to fill a page. If I’m hiring for let’s say a statistician position and half the stuff on the resume is let’s say cybersecurity I’m going to wonder if you’re the right fit for the role

[mortal wedge]

Any in particular you’d recommend?

[dire jungle]

That’s into blood , but sports ( captain , team lead of anything ) , or the boring side try to join to to project management side, taking initiative to change things even if they say it cannot possible ( i had some problems with it, and still break the rules at the level of going to client table)

[balmy spade]

Leadership is an odd one to me. It's a skill we almost all develop but few decide to refine. You can start to learn and practice it long before ever getting the title.

Books? (pardon my horrible spelling of names)
It starts with why: Stenic
How to win friends and influence people: Carnagee
One minute manager - ??
Leadership Strategy and Tactics - Jocko Willink
Mindset: The New Psychology of Success - Carol S. Dweck

and any and all leadership trainings your can get from where you work (if possible).

One of the greatest lessons I learned completing the leadership certification and training at the company I work for:

Leadership is as much about yourself as it is about others.

[dire jungle]

To add some context to @balmy spade , find your leadership ( emotional, leading by example , authority , etc)

[balmy spade]

Yes! Building your brand is a passage of rite for leadership. What do others know you as?

[smoky quest]

• https://www.amazon.com/Become-Effective-Software-Engineering-Manager/dp/1680507249/ - Pretty pragmatic
• https://www.amazon.com/Elegant-Puzzle-Systems-Engineering-Management/dp/1732265186/ - More high level
• https://www.amazon.com/Managers-Path-Leaders-Navigating-Growth/dp/1491973897 - Great book for everyone

These are a good start

[devout bramble]

ty

[devout bramble]

ty

[trail star]

Uhmerican here

[molten owl]

I mean I get that.. but my doubt is more focused on how I can take it up as a masters, which colleges and what would be the requirements for the college, I do have some pandas projects I am and have worked on to create a kaggle profile do you think that can help with getting selected into a uni

[upper dagger]

hey guys/gals. i am looking to send my nephew to some coding schools/programs. what are some fun games for one to learn how to code? which language would you guys recommend? (i know this might be broad question) he hates high school and i'm looking to throw some other ways at him to interact with world etc.

[dense mesa]

Where did you find these numbers from?

[dense mesa]

https://www.codingame.com/

This has been recommended before

[vapid jay]

I will begin to work with R in college, but I wanna to have to some capacities in programming and my journey in self-learning was proven a total failure

[true harness]

is that a question?

[dense mesa]

If you want to learn Python, please ask in #python-discussion

[pearl olive]

hey guys i need help with my code

[magic sentinel]

What companies can I work for that use Python?

[dense mesa]

This isn't the channel to ask help, see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[near ocean]

most companies use python one way or another

[dense mesa]

Big tech companies, medium sized consultancies, small-individual size traders

[pearl olive]

i know now

[dense mesa]

There isn't really a set company that uses Python, it's everywhere

[vapid jay]

what company should I go to if my main language is python?

[dense mesa]

The company which is advertising roles suitable for you

[dire jungle]

how would you write the following Debug customer issues and bugs in an efficient and timely manner or would you add if you use pep8 , pytest etc?

[honest pivot]

You didn't make it this far for no reason. Relax.

[dire jungle]

faang doesnt care if you cant code on whiteboard, but they care how you think to solve it

[coarse wharf]

Hi my name is Joe and i have a question, im almost done with the begin of python i learned it almost like what can i learn after that?

[peak halo]

what is your goal for having learned python? since this is the career discussion channel, I assume you aspire to program in a paid capacity. I would continue to work on projects that interest you (even if they have no practical use) to develop your skills, and explore different areas of programming. your career would likely focus on one of data science/AI, web development, backend development, cybersecurity, or something else. Eventually you'll need to develop your knowledge in one of these domains.

[lunar pond]

I’m in a similar situation (aerospace engineer) and thinking in taking a ms in data science. Feel free to dm me, I might be able to answer some of your questions.

[modern walrus]

Can I still get job in WebDev field of Python? Is enough of Django or Flask jobs??

[coarse wharf]

Thanks!

[ocean sandal]

I'm expecting a phone call (was supposed to be about 5 minutes ago) for a technical interview but I'm wondering if this is even worth my time if they do end up calling since they didn't follow the standard of emailing an invite to schedule/confirm.

Seems kind of unprofessional, right?

[smoky quest]

The fact they are 5min late is more unprofessional than sending or not calendar invites, especially for a phone call.
That said, I would politely send an email now to ask if it's still a good time or if you should reschedule it

[ocean sandal]

Lol yeah when you put that into perspective... 10 min late now on their end is a bad look. It's weird because the recruiter is the middle man. I have no direct contact info with that department. I'll take your advice and at least try to reschedule with him though

[smoky quest]

Shit happens. Emergency happen.
So I would recommend to not jump to conclusion.

Past 10min, I would just reschedule it. And if it happens again, then I would drop them if I have other options

[ocean sandal]

True. I mean tomorrow is my refresh day where I mass apply to everything again. I wouldn't feel bad dropping them knowing I finally fixed the format on my resume to pass through ATS

[safe loom]

Just learned I tanked an interview mostly because I embarrassed myself over simple machine learning questions and explanations which cost me the position.

Which sucks because I planned a whole study for the interview...

I suppose there's no cookbook to get prepped for DS interviews in case they're asking questions?

[ocean sandal]

There was an interview I tanked since I forgot some of the fundamentals due to being rusty and honestly the first thing I did after the interview was write down the questions/topics I felt I struggled with or maybe gave half right answers to then made it a goal to strengthen my knowledge level in those areas.

I don't think there's any one-size-fits-all booklet for technical interview prep but there are sites that offer prep courses for the major FAANG companies through subscriptions like leetcode.com, for example

[safe loom]

My biggest embarrassment was confusing precision and recall, when I kept some notes from a long time ago on my Notion account...

Next time I'll try to review my AI & Data notes as often as possible because I was often cornered on metrics, on which it was a complete blur.

That and not being able to properly define bayesian predictions too. It also doesn't help that the interview wasn't in my native language.

[ocean sandal]

Try to ask if they could do the interview using a language you prefer for next time. It's definitely not unreasonable and I was able to choose between Java and Python for my last one

[safe loom]

Oh no by that I mean oral language (I'm French and I have trouble making coherent English sentences under pressure)

[neon cliff]

Getting ready to apply to my second job since becoming an engineer. My 'Work Experience' section currently includes my current job, as well as a tutoring/mentoring program that I've created. Should I also find a way to include my biggest personal project from when I was learning to code? Or is that not important anymore?

[graceful mason]

If you feel it's a good quality project and demonstrates skills that aren't covered by your work experience then definitely include it

[neon cliff]

The stack/structure of my project happens to be pretty much exactly identical to the product i currently work on

the only difference being that my product's backend is on a pi, and my project's backend is on aws

but i dont think that's significant enough to warrant a whole extra section

[smoky quest]

if there is nothing else for the interviewer to learn from, then yeah

[near ocean]

Do you talk about the tech you use at a position in the experience section or what you've achieved in that position (or both)?

[smoky quest]

both

[neon cliff]

Followup question: Should I have a summary section or some other way of indicating what I did for work before learning to code?

[smoky quest]

up to you. Whatever makes sense for your situation

[pastel marten]

I’m UK so different culture likely and I’m an older career changer, so may not apply to you:

I started off with a sort of summary of my path, ‘passion’, learning, languages and projects - 2 small paragraphs. A dedicated skills section, detailing tech I’m confident with. Then a portion of work experience highlighting key skills, followed by education.

[delicate bane]

there is. this one is even good just to review concepts as well https://www.acethedatascienceinterview.com/

[safe loom]

Thanks!

[delicate bane]

highly, highly recommend. the topics they cover are

[fallen obsidian]

i'm a beginner when it comes to learning python. maybe you could train me through video chat. and maybe the job could be remote or work from home

[near ocean]

This isnt that kind of place
The server doesnt offer personalised instruction, you usually have to pay for this kind of privilege
The server also doesnt offer jobs for you to pick

[dense mesa]

It seems that you've really misunderstood the point of this channel 😅

[vapid jay]

Hellow guys, i am interested in web development and Web 3.0 so I want to proceed
MERN, Next.js, Solidity, Rust and i was thinking to add django postgres and sql mysql and i will need to learn cpp and java at college do you guys think it's alot

[covert bolt]

Im curious if anyone here has been a freelance programmer before? And if so, what were some pros and cons of it that you experienced?

[vapid jay]

@ashen nymph what education should I get if I want to work in a nice office and pretty much just program all day

Ik this might sound unrealistic but I really like the offices from google and Facebook where they still have entertainment to keep people sane @ashen nymph

[ashen nymph]

Well, pretty much any degree can get a software job nowadays but big players would want a solid comp sci background imo. Google, facebook, amazon all do whiteboard sessions and leetcode quizzes; I didn’t apply nor worked for them but two of my friends and a current colleague of mine worked there. They were like algorithm encyclopedias 😄 they spent a lot working on algorithms and inner workings of technologies they use (like jvm internals), oop design etc. my honest opinion is that there’s no place else than comp sci to align with those study and practices. Sometimes it feels like wtf am i doing this, but it comes all together later. If you like mathematics, you should go for a comp sci degree. If not, you can always choose a less nerdy degree and still get into a company with nice people and nice office. There are a lot of companies out there with lower barrier of entry than google and facebook and still has cool environment to work.

[hard canyon]

How do i go from beginner trap to that first project of mine? If somebody helps me with this I'd be forever grateful

I am stuck with learning the basics

How do i step into that first good project which is not too complicated as well

[ripe fog]

I was wondering what the difference between comp science and comp engineering in terms off the types of jobs they get is

[small spruce]

Hello good people , I am self-taught developer ,I am this kind of person that goes deeper when learning skills but I have no degree , no certificate , I am about tu build my portfolio but I am concerned if company is gonna hire me based only on my skills ?

[peak halo]

my understanding is that this may be a viable path for web development. but in the US, it's very unlikely that you would be able to get a job in financial tech, data science, cybersec, etc. without a degree.

[small spruce]

Thanks.I think one of the best choice is to create my own business.

[smoky quest]

A business will require a lot more skills, especially non-tech related and funds though. Be ready for it.

[small spruce]

Yes , I know that, with a good team that can be possible .

[smoky quest]

Which brings additional questions:

• How are you going to find them?
• How are you going to pay them?
• How are you going to pay them until you make money?
• Why would they join you?

[small spruce]

Thanks for your pertinent questions , the y give me a better understanding of my journey , anyway I think I am young enough , for now I don't have enough financial resources , but by making steps everyday I think I can do it on day .Now the most urgent for me is to get a job where I can keep on developing my skills while making money .Thanks for your beautiful advices.

[delicate bane]

hmm hmm i somehow moved onto the second round after i had thought i completely messed up an interview

[ocean zenith]

That means you did better than others
Good luck for the next interview 😌
Same thing happened with me too, i thought i messed up the first interview but i got hired anyways 🌝

[brittle thorn]

Good luck and get that second round of coffee too

[dense mesa]

Computer science is more about defining problems, figuring out if you can compute them, and how. You're looking at software engineering jobs/higher academia.

Computer engineering is about figuring out what your hardware can run, how it should be architected, much more low level stuff. Jobs like VLSI design, high-performance embedded computing, etc.

[vapid jay]

hi all, just sharing blockchain education on GitHub. for those who want to learn blockchain here's a outline of to-do's, courses, toolboxes, etc. https://github.com/protofire/blockchain-learning-path
btw they also have a dev community they want to make DAO of. details if anyone's interested https://www.notion.so/protofire/Welcome-to-Protofire-Community-bf5500e592734fe699b7eb060ff52f26

[sudden yacht]

@vapid jay We do not allow advertising.

[vapid jay]

is learning advertising?

[sudden yacht]

Posting a message promoting something like you have is advertising.

[dense ibex]

thoughts on majoring in computer science and minoring in electrical engineering? Or should I minor in physics

[dense mesa]

Electrical won't be as helpful for CS as EE would be

[peak halo]

what kind of job do you want to have?

[polar basin]

I did electronic systems engineering which gave me the electronics and relevant CS bits (low-level from a CS perspective, high level from an engineering perspective). That got me into jobs writing embedded code. tbh, I don't know how that translates to a major/minor system like the States' The CS modules I took were probably what you'd think of as part of the minor; they were electives to fill out the degree with my desired focus.

[delicate bane]

from my experience in the states, your focus would be a "concentration" over here if its electives you can choose, while a "minor" is usually explicitly declared, often separate from your courses you would take for your concentration

[polar basin]

Yeah. That's my understanding, too. There's not really a common ground, is there? I could make personal decision to focus on what might be considered a minor, or I could spread my electives across a broad spectrum. iirc, the US system is a bit more like an OU course, where you build up a total tally from the courses you take, some of which are prerequisite to others.

(I had the option to go to the US to study at uni, having graduated from a US High School (in Guatemala of all places), but instead decided to go windsurfing for two years before coming back to the UK to go to uni!)

[delicate bane]

def sounds more fun!

ah another thing, minors tend to require more courses than a concentration and/or have a set of courses that are mandatory, mostly courses that would be part of the core of a program if the minor was a standalone major

(im getting both a concentration and a minor with my current grad program lol)

[lilac horizon]

Hi Everyone,

In how many days i can learn machine learning in python??

[polar basin]

365?

Or 730?

I'm sure some multiple of that :P

It will depend on your background, and how quickly you pick stuff up.

[dense mesa]

This isn't the channel to ask this, try #data-science-and-ml for more specific guidance, and #python-discussion for broader resources.

If you're looking to pick up machine learning in the context of a career, this channel is suitable for giving advice in that context.

[copper anvil]

What is the highest paying job which uses programming

[digital fjord]

probably some 80 year olds COBOL programmers who is the only person capable of maintaining a system running an entire company. More seriously, this isnt a meaningful question per-se, since the highest paying job is generally highly specialized and created through negotiation, rather than hired for.

[near ocean]

whats the point of asking this question?
all programming jobs pay well, more than the average office job

[dense mesa]

Likely quant software engineering

[copper anvil]

damn, what's that and how much is the salary

[graceful mason]

This but specifically in banking/finance

You could be working on ancient tech that is holding together an entire banking system, where you need to be both an expert in niche software and financial concepts

There was that one guy working at Goldman Sachs 15 years ago who was paid $400k and left for a competitor who offered 3x that (and was arrested for stealing code)

[near ocean]

I dont wanna sound rude but i think people should be more realistic as to what kind of salary they can land

You and I (royal you and I) are probably not going to be making 200k any time soon or maybe ever
Stop focusing on a paycheck thats unattainable and start worrying about things that matter

Besides, chasing a paycheck isnt career related

[gilded valley]

It very much is. Salary is one of very few vital factors in differentiating between different career choices

[earnest nest]

Hello everyone I will start studying coding at the University next year what laptop and with which characteristics do you recommend me ?
Tnx for your replies

[gilded valley]

I think the key thing is "how do I improve my salary starting from my existing job" is a different question than "how do I go from an irrelevant or no job to I've paying lots of money". The second is much less interesting (and what is usually asked here)

[near ocean]

Career implies progression and you wont see any progress if your mind is only on the money
Besides it sounds incredibly childish, every other question here is somewhere along these lines

It doesnt open up any interesting discussion and it doesnt contribute to ongoing discussions

You wont see any professional ask these silly questions, why?

[gilded valley]

Besides it sounds incredibly childish, every other question here is somewhere along these lines
I definitely agree with this - lots of people thinking about some abstract end goal of just money with absolutely no consideration as to anything beyond the salary. I do think optimising for shortish term salary is a reasonable goal though, but when no context is given beyond "how do i earn lots of money (also I have no experience and no college degree)" or it's entirely unproductive

[gilded valley]

Why? Because there's a very substantial social taboo around discussing salaries in the west

[near ocean]

Im not talking about discussing salaries, you wont see a professional ask "whats the highest paying job/lang/framework/whatever" is
Because theres literally no point to it, even if you know, whats going to change? Are people gonna tunnel vision X framework? No you wont lol

[honest pivot]

I think it's a worthwhile question for someone to ask who is just beginning to learn about the industry. Maybe not about specific frameworks, but different types of jobs can have wildly different pay, and people don't necessarily know what is out there.

[near ocean]

Not when the follow up is "how much"
If people really are interested they'd ask how to get there, what do you need to study, where do you need to study, what kind of experience pays $xxxk, what kind of industry, company, etc

Asking for numbers with no context cheapens the channel in my humble peasant £30kpa dev opinion

[latent ocean]

Salamo Alykom - May God Be With You

Bye Guys!

[delicate bane]

honestly, i believe if people are only in it for the money, they would have better luck in a true finance job. at least thats what i would tell them. tech requires a learning mindset, so if youre not into learning, youre not going to go far imo

[near ocean]

True finance job like what? Staring at spreadsheets all day and being bossed around by some CFO?

They do make a lot of money, but im not sure if someone whose only motivation is money would last in a position like that

Unironically, and i cant believe im saying this, but you need some sort of mindset to work like that

[delicate bane]

lets be real, i think anybody whose only motivation is money is going to have a tough time in any position if they have no relevant experience or skills

[gilded valley]

I'm assuming by "some finance job" they mean an investment role which requires a lot of skill to make good money in.

[delicate bane]

yeah, i was thinking more along the lines of some asset management or wealth management role

[gilded valley]

Hedge funds and M&A are the two fields renowned for paying the most. The standards for both are 12+hhr days and a cutthroat culture

[silent abyss]

matt levine talks about this in money stuff! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-03-18/money-stuff-goldman-analysts-work-too-hard

"I’ve been through foster care and this is arguably worse"
“I didn’t come into this job expecting a 9am-5pm’s, but I also didn’t expect consistent 9am-5am’s either”

[gilded valley]

Goldman Sachs is a huge investment bank, they'll have many many different cultures depending on division, department, team etc

[dawn leaf]

culture for analysts at investment banks is very different from quant roles where culture is much closer to tech

like goldman ib analyst positions are a literal hazing ritual, later career in finance does not need to be like this

[silent sandal]

Good luck! Wdym not long hours? Is it like a part time software engineering role?

[delicate bane]

good luck bud

[silent sandal]

Nice

[delicate bane]

thats what i would pick as well (not that this means anything from a stranger on the internet)

[dense mesa]

Nah I appreciate the input 😁

[smoky quest]

Hi and welcome!
However this is not a meme channel and thus not appropriate for #career-advice

[vapid jay]

k ty

but where i can post it?

[smoky quest]

One of the Off topic channels probably. Although memes aren't that welcome in general if I remember correctly

[vapid jay]

ok ty

[dense ibex]

not really sure, software developer, app/website developer, or possibly college professor way down the line

[ripe fog]

Thanks for the detailed answer 🙂

[peak halo]

if you want to be a CS professor, you will need to get a PhD in CS, and will probably need to specialize in AI or cyber security.

[dense ibex]

ya

Im all over the place rn honestly, part of me wants to get a PhD in math/physics, the other is like comp sci and electrical engineering could be super interesting/high pay. If I somehow manage to transfer to get into MIT id absolutely go cs and ee regardless

[peak halo]

my advisor said that part of university is to figuring out what you don't want to do. Though it depends on how quickly you can figure that out without taking too many dead weight classes.

[dense ibex]

yeah I hate wasting time so its tough

[brittle thorn]

Yeah given changes in the field

[delicate bane]

figuring out what you don't want to do
i can see this applying for various jobs as well; a factor why people make pivots in their career

[vapid jay]

hmmmm

[vapid jay]

Balls

[earnest nest]

Damn everyone ignored my question

[smoky quest]

depends on what you will do.
Any laptop will do for most common usages.

[forest viper]

I want to remove disclaimer and signature from email using python code can anyone help

[dense mesa]

This channel is for career discussion, try #❓｜how-to-get-help

[deep plover]

I want to work as a game dev. Am in 9th standard rn. I want to learn CS get into IIT/MIT then work in IT. I started to learn Python. I'm still learning Python. I have yet to finish the basics. But after python I don't know what to do. Whether start C#, C++. What should I do and how.

[tribal pond]

hello guys,

i have exp on android and React native now i want to switch in python platform can anyone suggest me to which technology i shoud go through i am bit confused about Data Science and AI or web development...

[smoky quest]

You can either explore them and see which one you vibe the most with, or go with the one for which you have a stronger affinity or has more opportunities available for your location and profile

[smoky quest]

You can make games in python. Since you are learning python, you could also look at making games with python

[vapid jay]

can someone give me some advice about what to do next after learning core python? I have specific likes about what to do with python language.

[smoky quest]

That sounds like a question more appropriate for #python-discussion rather than this channel which is about #career-advice

[vapid jay]

ok sure

[smoky quest]

if it's in the context of getting a job, then look at job ads you would want to apply to and look at their requirements

[vapid jay]

asked in there

[deep plover]

Why is C# and C++ necessary for gaming devs then

[near remnant]

hey guys. i know its a lot to ask but can anyone help me? i have previous coding experience, i learned javascript and built some projects in it last year.
i switched to python and flask a month ago because i'm going to have an internship this Summer and they expect junior level in python.
i already made a todo app with flask and some css + js + html, it's quite good, although I needed some help in the beginning to actually understand flask, but seems really nice to me.
i know the syntax and already learned OOP but i feel like i'm a bit lost because i don't have a path or structure to actually get to a junior level (when will i know if I'm there?!)

so could anyone help me with this? maybe providing me a list of topics or just a roadmap or anything to achieve that junior level of knowledge.

[dense mesa]

https://roadmap.sh

[near remnant]

i know about this, but this should be enough? i might be overthinking it but yeah

[late mason]

day 1 of learning python, made simple code

AoN = int(input(" Numeral Admin Code? "))

if AoN == 78395:
    depart = input("Please enter the appropriate department: Command, Dispatch, EME ")
    if depart == "Command":
        print("Successfully Entered Command")
    elif depart == "Dispatch":
        print("Successfully Entered Dispatch")
    elif depart == "EME":
        print("Successfully Entered EME")
    else:
        print("Not a valid department")
else:
    print("Admin access denied.")

[near ocean]

thats cool and all but this isnt the appropriate channel for this
try #python-discussion or one of the offtopic channels

[near remnant]

Thats cool but whats the point of the code?

[dense mesa]

Not for this channel 😅

[near remnant]

Its just simple if operations and printing. But good luck mate

[late mason]

for fun and i started today so like...

idk what to tell you

[near remnant]

Yeah i know, good luck mate!

[dense mesa]

This channel is for career discussion 👍

[shut pike]

hii

whats up

[novel raptor]

Is anyone familiar with webhelp as a company? Im hoping someone can give me an opinion on them. I'm looking at a big data developer job, though they say it's in a tech support team.

I'm not sure what this means, are you not a developer and have to answer questions for clients as they come. Or do you work with the clients in a consulting style of way?

[dense mesa]

I don't know anything about the company and don't fully understand your question. But a tech support role is usually internal, your clients are other employees. It's not consulting

[novel raptor]

It says you provide support to google clients using GCP. So it doesn't sound like its internal.

I guess I'm more interested on what type of job is a tech support job for a developer and how that experience translates to other roles

[dense mesa]

GCP being Google Cloud Platform?

[novel raptor]

Yes, its a big data developer using google cloud platform. I just don't know how the tech support part comes into play

[vapid jay]

Any scope in electrical engineering?

[brave bridge]

At what level of python could one start freelancing and what is like a common task that u would be able to offer (and how would one find out about pricings etc.?)
I just ask out of curisity im far from being able to do any task quickly.

[strong fulcrum]

Any developers who’ve worked with lawyers or lawyers who use Python - what type of things have you come across in those fields

I’m not a lawyer but it’s something I’d like to explore

[dense mesa]

Sounds like a question for the recruiter

[dense mesa]

Scope for what? To use Python in electrical engineering?

[vapid jay]

No

[novel raptor]

Yeah i will when i have a chat with them. But i wanted to see if anyone knew more about the subkect so i am informed

[dense mesa]

Your question wasn't particularly clear to me

[latent ocean]

Looks Amazing!

[slim furnace]

I am going into health data science field.

what python libraries and topics i need to be familiar with ?

[latent ocean]

Alot!

[slim furnace]

there are lot of things and am a bit confused. At the moment I am learning pandas

[latent ocean]

I am upto map functions, and yet i have not thought of one project to make.. tic tac toe, scciros paper rock etc is out of the picture i do not like small stuff

[vapid jay]

Guys, does MIT have a software engineering major?

[crisp jewel]

They have a computer science major which is essentially the same thing.

[vapid jay]

wait HOW??

[near ocean]

How what? Most universities have a computer science course

[delicate bane]

[torpid frigate]

hey hi i'm new

[vapid jay]

hi

[torpid frigate]

i have windowns 7 32 bit i have installed visual studio code can i learn python ?

[fading hedge]

computer science is a bit broader than JUST software engineering:
It encompasses a lot of math f.ex: Discrete maths, Calculus, linear algebra and other maths depending on the uni.
Most uni's will offer computer architecture from the smallest parts, logical gates up to big hardware and how they work and how to build them.
It's more interdisciplinary than most people think.

[fading hedge]

just be sure to download Python and setup VSC and you're good to go... a few tutorials on youtube a book here and there and you'll get there in no time

slight disclaimer though: you can use python 3 but only certain versions on windows 7 so be sure to download a version that is compatible with your pc

[stray smelt]

py test

[smoky quest]

It's only necessary if you are a big/pro game studio.
Other than that, nothing stops from making games in any language you see fit.

[dawn leaf]

network slicing? At Mitsubishi were you evaluating the data or working on a new sequence model?

saying "esteemed guidance" is a bit over the top

[pastel thunder]

yes slicing,
both at mitsubishi

should i elaborate mitsubishi

[dawn leaf]

it sounds like you worked on data qc, if you worked on modeling you should clarify

i'm not sure what network slicing is

saying you outperformed by 2.5% does not mean much alone, what metrics? accuracy?

[nocturne narwhal]

Hello friends I’m from a biotechnology specialisation. Interested to learn #python. I’m totally new into computer languages. Can any one suggest me , where can #learn #python?.
Thanks in advance.

[pastel thunder]

Both slicing and mitsubishi are related to Deep learning. what else other then accuracy can i mention?

[vapid jay]

easily

[fickle crater]

I wonder, where can I get resume templates for free?

[dawn leaf]

If you mean accuracy say accuracy but there are many other metrics and saying 2.5% without specifying which one comes off as naive

[pastel thunder]

i see,i just realised i didnt mention "accuracy", thanks for pointing out.

[vapid jay]

k thx 4 the explanation

[dawn leaf]

I wouldn't assume that they know what network slicing is

[pastel thunder]

ok i will add onto it, is mitsubhi stuff fine?

[dawn leaf]

where I developed anomaly detection models for video.

[opaque spade]

Where can I ask programming advice?

What is the correct channel? Please and thanks

[smoky quest]

Sounds like a question for either:

• #data-science-and-ml
• #media-processing
• #❓｜how-to-get-help

[smoky quest]

Depends on the type of advice.
Some related channels:

• #python-discussion
• #software-architecture
• #❓｜how-to-get-help

[gilded valley]

I think you missed the context on this

[smoky quest]

oh lol.
You are right. Thanks for noticing! And sorry @ Anokhi!

[dawn leaf]

🙂 np

[mortal wedge]

It's because C# is great for mobile (and windows/ios) development and C++ is great for memory and time management. Physics and graphics engines for games (especially AAA games) eat up a lot of cpu/memory so you want to optimize however you can. You can still use Python, and I've seen some gorgeous Python games, but generally you want languages built for memory/time optimization in gaming. Of course, many genres of games don't require this level of optimization. Puzzles and platformers for instance. But maybe for shooters, bullet hells, etc choose a different langauge

[smoky quest]

Note that most computation heavy parts would be delegated to GPUs. So you could also create 3d shooters and stuff in python as well.
I would also not worry too much about AAA games considering we are talking about someone learning python

[mortal wedge]

Right, but unless someone is into indie game dev, they probably want to head to AAA gaming studio as part of their career path

[smoky quest]

That's interesting and we are probably getting more into the #pedagogy territory, but given they are in 9th, I would assume they have time to worry about these things.
Starting your programming journey with 3d games might creating more frustration than excitement.

[mortal wedge]

Oh, agree!

[grim summit]

Hey so I someone offered me a project on freelancer.com and he was a freelancer as well. He gave me a set of tasks to do which i have finished now. I sent him a small clip of what i've done and he said he will get back to me and then sent me a github account details and a private github repo. None of the repo or the account's name is associated with the freelancer. I haven't sent on of my work and this seems sketchy as hell what should i do?

[dense mesa]

He's probably outsourcing his job lmao

[grim summit]

i found the actual guy that needed the job done and contacted him

[ashen nymph]

For the first time in years, I'm nervous about an interview. Any suggestions to calm down? I won't be able to speak my mind if I go into interview like this 😄

[north venture]

Hello there!
I have been in programming field for a few years now, but mostly I have been doing competitive programming in C++ which doesn't really helps me get paid job to be honest.
I would be interested in doing something as closely related to that, but I am not really sure what could that be.
I would like to find some form of part-time Summer job if possible. I did webdev and I can say that backend programming seems fun enough and I believe is paid enough.
Django and Node.js seem really interesting for now, and I did some projects in Node.js, but I was curious if some of you can help me with choosing and things like that?

The only problems are I am 18 years old and don't really have any experience. Maybe someone will take my competitions into consideration, maybe not.

[peak halo]

I don't think that competitive programming has any practical application beyond raising your awareness of time complexity and opportunities for optimization. I can't really think of a domain that is similar.

Are you a college/university student?

[north venture]

No, I am currently a HS student

[peak halo]

I'm not familiar with companies that offer internships to high school students. If you plan to enroll in a CS program, it sounds like you might be more likely than your peers to land an internship after your first year.

[north venture]

I certainly do plan to enroll in a CS program, but for some reason I assumed that maybe my "experience" in CP field would let me find some job xd

[peak halo]

well, you won't lose anything for applying. have you written a resume yet?

[north venture]

Applying for a job or a CS program?

[peak halo]

an internship. you don't need a resume for a CS program. though I suppose I am interested to know if you've started applying to programs yet, since you said you're 18.

[north venture]

I haven't started applying anywhere yet, I will actually apply when I am 19 because I have enrolled school one year later than expected in my country (my parent's decision...)

I haven't applied to any internships, I am trying to find out what I should learn first xd

[peak halo]

Keep in mind that CS is a broad field. So when you do apply, be sure to look for programs that would let you develop your specific interests.

[north venture]

Understood, thank you for that.
I was trying to find out more what I should choose when doing backend programming.
I am for some reason drawn to Django but I have no clue why, even though I used Node.js more.

If you happen to have any experience with those, do you have any advice?

[winged raptor]

are there any self self taught programmers in here that i can have a quick chat with? (by self taught i mean no collage degree and no code bootcamp)

[north venture]

Well technically I did competitive programming by myself but I don't know if that's helpful xd

[winged raptor]

do you have a job as a programmer?

[winged raptor]

^

[north venture]

No, I don't. As you can see I am trying to find one xd

[winged raptor]

oh ok lol

well i am kinda trying to find someone that went from no idea what programming is to a career in it

just since i am thinking of doing it myself but idk how i would

[dense mesa]

Degree makes it a lot easier, I taught myself programming and knowing how to learn helped

[winged raptor]

i mean i know how to learn pretty well i would say

do you have a degree?

[hardy rock]

Hey guys i want to be a data analyst what skill should i master for that

[dense mesa]

About to graduate with a bachelor's in engineering

[fast jetty]

Probably excel or spreadsheet skill for basis

[peak halo]

I'm a computational linguist, so I don't have any meaningful experience with django or any web development.

[fast jetty]

Later on you’ll need data cleansing, sourcing, analyzing, storage, visualization skills and so on. And eventually a programming language R or python.
Also do lots of real life project and add to portfolio and not just copy youtube projects everytime

[north venture]

Alright, makes sense. Thank you xd

[gilded valley]

SQL, basic stats, data visualisation, bi tools like power bi

[grim summit]

. still need some thoughts on this

[dawn leaf]

how is this different from NLP?

[peak halo]

there isn't a difference.

[dawn leaf]

are you in deep learning?

[peak halo]

I use deep learning, yes.

[dawn leaf]

I guess I am asking in what sense you call yourself a linguist, I have friends who work in MT, NLG, LLMs who wouldn't refer to themselves that way

[peak halo]

I have formal linguistics education. and then my company vested that title upon me.

[dawn leaf]

very cool. How valuable do you find the linguistics background is? Seems like LLMs are solving everything these days

[peak halo]

I don't know what LLM stands for, though it's likely that I know what what it stands for is. My linguistics background usually isn't relevant, and is ultimately less valuable than my general programming and ML experience, but it's the edge that made me a viable candidate for the job that I have.

[dawn leaf]

It stands for for large language model, most recently https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.02311. And take any edge you can get haha

[peak halo]

I see. yes, LLMs like BERT or GPT+ are broadly applicable. but not out of the box.

[vagrant flare]

I'm planning on enrolling into a CS degree this year and the only thing I know is like a bit of python, so any tips before joining

[delicate bane]

sooooo im in a weird situation

im in an internship and i just found out my boss said her boss, the vp, is in the middle of trying to create a full time position for me.

ive already started interviewing with other companies mostly because they told me there was no budget for a full time position on their team...

[dawn leaf]

thats not weird thats great news

[ivory sluice]

yeah, you now likely have a fallback plan?

do you feel weird about not telling them you're interviewing elsewhere?

[delicate bane]

i feel weird that they are putting in so much effort to create this position, since the vp's boss is an exec, and like...i was already getting ready to leave this company lol

and had listed all the cons of the company, so i wouldnt feel bad doing so

[delicate bane]

yeah i guess thats where this weird feeling is coming from since i asked about FT positions and told them i would def be interested in a FT role on that team

[ocean sandal]

This company I finally second interviewed with following the programming assessment told me I'd be signing a 2 year contract if hired on. If contract is voided, like if I leave early to take a new job offer, then I could end up paying $10,000+ to pay off the remainder of what the company has invested in me (various training courses and certification exams involved).

Does this sound normal at all? I feel kind of sketched out about it

[idle helm]

Personally that just seems a bit weird and fishy to me. Its not something I would want in a contract, since although its not illegal, its rather restrictive for you going forward

[delicate bane]

how much are the training courses/certifications worth..?

if you had to estimate?

[idle helm]

I think it also depends on what your plan is moving forward, if you see no need to leave there for 2 years and you know the training and personal skill advancement will be beneficial to you then that is something you can take into account

[delicate bane]

this is true. something to consider/take into account

[frank wigeon]

U guys work with that?

[ocean sandal]

Well, if you consider that you get a 50% off voucher every time you pass an AWS exam, the value isn't really there. Most cloud cert exams are dirt cheap as is. If they were paying for RedHat or CCNA then I'd say that might be good value since they'd also be paying for retakes. It's a big unknown... and a lot of sketch lol

I had never heard of a company that offers this before so if anyone has experienced this, let me know how it went. I don't think I'm desperate enough to take on that risk

[brittle thorn]

What

[brittle thorn]

Good luck and drink plenty of coffee

[delicate bane]

wait tanuki youre supposed to tell me what to do

[brittle thorn]

Wow hard call....keep your options open and job hunt .... but keep in touch with your current workmates too .. try to get a letter of recommendation

[covert bolt]

Does anyone have good ideas on how I can make money freelancing while in hs? Id rather not get a part time job, and if I can work on my programming skills & make money, that would be very ideal

^ I’m open to any ideas at all.

[brittle thorn]

It seems they are impressed with your work but in the off chance things dont pan out there do get a plan b ....

[delicate bane]

i see

[brittle thorn]

Talk privately to your boss

Ask for his advice

[delicate bane]

hmm but wouldnt she be biased? im pretty sure she wants me to stay

[smoky quest]

That is not normal.
Are they gonna train you from scratch or something?

[summer roost]

what country is this in?

[smoky quest]

Sounds like a great problem to have.
they like you so much they want to ensure some budget for you.

Overall, I wouldn't talk about your doubts to your manager because they may see this as a sign of flakyness and pull out. But you can definitely ask about more information.
And interviewing on the side doesn't mean anything. It only matters if you sign something.
As a matter of fact, it's good practice to always be ready to interview and to check the market

[delicate bane]

ok yeah. that sounds solid. what should i do/say if they end up creating a FT position for me, but i end up going with the company im currently interviewing with instead? also, for full time roles, do they usually interview a few months out? im still 3-4 months from graduating (summer semester)...

[peak halo]

is this revature? because if it is, don't get involved with them.

[ocean sandal]

They're called Revolent Group

[jagged glade]

you can probably erase the part of your message before the comma without changing its accuracy

[peak halo]

my company will pay for me to take university courses, but if I leave the company within two years of completing the course, I have to refund the company. but they are accredited university courses and the company doesn't decide what their value is. I wouldn't agree to such a thing if the company gets to decide what the alleged investment is worth.

[smoky quest]

If you like it, put a ring on it

It's like any business proposal (or asking someone out). It may or may not work for you and you may or may not be interested in that offer.
It happens all the time and it will happen when you interview. You will get offers that you will want to decline. If they take it personally, then you have dodged a bullet.

If you already know that you will reject their offer, then feel free to let them know to save everyone's time.
Otherwise, let them put together their best offer and evaluate it fairly. Does it make sense to you? Will you be compensated fairly? Will the job offered match your career goals? Will you have opportunities for growth? Do you enjoy working with and learning from the people on that team?
And think through also the alternatives. Can you get a better offer somewhere else? What if you reject their offer?

With regards to new grads, it's fine for companies to wait 3-4 months to have you actually started. It can already take 2-4 months to find someone anyway.
And as a candidate, it will definitely take at least 1-2 months minimum, just because of the scheduling of the various rounds.

And in general, always be polite and gracious when rejecting someone or an offer. You have the high ground and they may be hurt. So take it into consideration as it can help keep the relationship for the future.

[peak halo]

!otn a if you like it put a ring on it

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: Added if-you-like-it-put-a-ring-on-it to the names list.

[delicate bane]

okay very solid stuff. 1) very good factors to keep in mind when thinking through and making such a decision. 2) thats good to hear. i was worried that they would rather pick someone who can start immediately vs. waiting for me to graduate

i mean this might still be a factor but hearing this is good for other interviews as well.

[smoky quest]

for 2/ it's a general rule. I am sure there will be some companies that cannot wait. But in general, that should be fine, especially considering that if you start now, it will be another 1-2 months before you even get to an offer stage

[smoky quest]

yeah, don't let people push you around. Be gracious and polite, but always feel free to say no if that's not your thing

[ocean sandal]

Thanks for the informative response based on your experience in a similar situation. I think I will steer clear

[brittle thorn]

She will be but at least you can get her input on the matter and leave in good terms ...she can be your reference if things dont pan out in your current workplace

And take her out for coffee lnao

[snow rapids]

Interesting career progression...

[smoky quest]

• big difference between Utah and CA
• It's total compensation, so there is a strong option/stock component
• Changing jobs every 12 months would certainly comes up as a flag. The netflix one seems the longest streak

[snow rapids]

Seems it wasn't a flag for Facebook Netflix Airbnb

[smoky quest]

it can be a flag without an outright rejection. A flag means you are gonna get questions about it

If you can't hold a job for a year multiple times in a row, chances it won't be different this time.

[near ocean]

how do you go from a junior to a senior position in just 1 year's time
LinkedIn posts truly are the shitposts of our generation

[snow rapids]

Ah ok got it

[snow rapids]

Yeah it may be 'different' case :)

[near ocean]

my instincts tell me not to believe a word these people post on LinkedIn
there's always an ulterior motive which is getting post engagement

[snow rapids]

Make sense

[fleet zephyr]

ok

im new what do i do .........

[gilded valley]

Fairly standard. The naming of roles in tech is just completely off, even "senior" engineer can still easily be an early career role

[near ocean]

he left a junior/mid Facebook role for a senior netflix role
all these big tech companies have pretty well defined "slots" for their engineers, no?

[gilded valley]

Scrolling through LinkedIn, here is the career progression of the first engineer who appeared in my feed. They work at an s&p 500 company

3y from nothing to become senior

[near ocean]

that's wild
why even bother using words if they have literally no meaning

[smoky quest]

they have meaning, which is also why they have an incentive to find any shortcut to the biggest title.
Which in turns devalue them :p

That said, it's a lot more difficult to make it through the interview of a senior level position when you can't justify any of the senior related responsibilities

[gilded valley]

Semantic bleaching doesn't mean that they've lost all meaning, just that their meaning has become less extreme

[fleet zephyr]

only ?

[snow rapids]

share some tips how to make more 🙂

[fleet zephyr]

ngl only fans gets u 2mil+

[near ocean]

not appropriate for this channel as its not python related or even programming related...

[tidal remnant]

Hey, does anyone have experience with Google Virtual Interviewing Platform document? How is it different from Google Docs, if it is? And can I execute my code on it?

[near ocean]

sigh... <@&831776746206265384>

[fleet zephyr]

welp fun time

[sudden yacht]

@fleet zephyr Please stay on topic.

[gilded valley]

You don't need a MacBook to code. You can get plenty of 500$ laptops that are fine for the task - get one of those when you actually really need one. If you already have access to a computer, then my suggestion is the iPad. But this doesn't seem on topic to the channel, maybe try OT

[vapid jay]

Hello

[vapid jay]

I agree

I got abslutely no coding skills, just came to make friends

I have many budget or high range laptops in my mind I can suggest. If need any help dm me

Anyone wanna be my friend?

[vapid jay]

Me too

Damn there's alot of discord certified moderators here

I don't like slowmode fr annoying

[gilded valley]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel: #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[vapid jay]

Facts

[gilded valley]

There's the place for casual chat

[vapid jay]

Oh ok

I beg to differ but your opinion

Apple devices(laptops) for long hours is really not viable cause of its smaller battery and the fact that it gets hot like a sun

Cost of m1 cause it sounds gr8

[buoyant seal]

The problem is in
Ratio of recieved performance per spent money.

We can easily decrease performance like but 10% for example
And get same for 30-40% of the price

And considering that we can essentially buy with similar performance two-three laptops...
We can replace them 1-2 times without overexceeding Apple price
And each replacement, resets tear and wear of laptop to zero
And gives us latest hardware upgrades from the market.
Apple can't beat benefits like that. It is not having immortal and upgradeable hardware.

P.S xD and during next generic laptop upgrade, its hardware is likely to be better than latest Apple

[fleet zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-smile-ok-happy-gif-14150032

[vapid jay]

I'm using a convertible i7 9th generation Dell laptop I bought for about 500$ which i find very suitable for coding
And anyway there are many other laptops you can find within your desired price range with similar characteristics to apple products

[mellow pumice]

Hello

I'm new to Phyton can someone help me?

[buoyant seal]

Don't ask to ask, just ask

[mellow pumice]

[dense mesa]

<@&831776746206265384> this channel has gone off topic for the last hour

[mellow pumice]

(Visible confusion)

[buoyant seal]

Google it, there is site with same name. Or just read local version on how to ask questions in the right way #❓｜how-to-get-help
https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources/guides/help-channels/

[sudden yacht]

Laptop purchasing questions are not on topic for this channel. You can use one of the off-topic channels for this.

[fleet zephyr]

apple is the best

[near remnant]

is getting an unpaid developer internship easier than a paid one? or there is no difference?

[agile turtle]

urgent need for part time work

[delicate bane]

hmm hmm hey that looks familiar. wonder where you got it from 😛

[delicate bane]

hahaha no

[near ocean]

You don't want an unpaid position, why not apply for an actual job?

[near remnant]

If I can allow myself to get experience without getting paid then I don't see no problems with it at all

[near ocean]

Why not get experience whilst getting paid?

[delicate bane]

[near remnant]

Because i have zero experience and i think its hard to get a job. I have applied economics master's and business bachelor's.

[dense mesa]

This server isn't for recruitment, check the pinned messages and channel description for relevant websites

[near ocean]

Everyone has no experience until they do
I also started with 0 work experience and got into a paid position mid pandemic, surely you can do it too

[near remnant]

I just have a friend who is a techlead at a big company and he told me to get junior level knowledge in python and they hire me as an intern. Unpaid for a couple of months then they hire me as a full time dev.

[near ocean]

Thats terrible advice for a techlead to give imho
Start applying to paid positions and put together a cv for a junior role

[near remnant]

Ive been learning programming since last year. I have 10 projects in javascript. Just switched to python + django a month ago but already made a web app.

[delicate bane]

yeah i would do what mariosis suggested at least for over here. maybe its different countries, different practices bc thats not really the norm here

[near ocean]

Where are you based / looking for jobs

[near remnant]

Currently learning python OOP and data structures. I just dont have confidence to actually start applying for jobs

[delicate bane]

why not? you have multiple projects already

[near remnant]

Im from Europe

[near ocean]

Definitely dont go for unpaid positions then
Not only are they rare in europe, its much easier to get an intern or entry level role

I would probably target startups
They're more desperate for people and cant really afford to keep interviewing tons of people
Also you get a much more varied role than giant corpos

[honest pivot]

I still find it shockingly offensive that unpaid positions even exist. We need better laws about this obviously. I think a lot of university degrees requiring internships have perverted incentives.

[near remnant]

Thank you guys

[near ocean]

The only unpaid positions i've seen are those poor TAs and GLAs at unis lmao
They get paid in "credits" and "making-your-supervisor-happy points"

[gilded valley]

In the UK, and I think quite a lot of EU countries, unpaid internships aren't generally legal

[honest pivot]

They aren't generally legal in the US either. But that doesn't seem to be stopping people.

[vapid jay]

yeah, there are a few internships ive seen and one i almost applied for paid like $100 a week i think. I have a friend doing a nasa internship and they dont pay him at all

[gilded valley]

I have a friend doing a nasa internship and they dont pay him at all
That sounds incredibly unlikely to me, and a quick google search doesn't seem to talk about any unpaid internships there.

[dense mesa]

I've seen internships where the intern has to pay the company for the """experience""" they receive

[rocky terrace]

What? Really?

[dense mesa]

Yes

[snow rapids]

Good artists copy, great artists steal : 😂

[peak halo]

My friend (for real, I'm not secretly asking about myself) did a video call interview yesterday for a product manager position on Long Island, NY, US. They called him this morning and want to do the second round of interviews today. Is there any reason why this fast pace might be a red flag?

[delicate bane]

are they a startup? sometimes the pacing is like that

[near ocean]

getting called for same day interviews would annoy me tbh, would probably not even show up

[delicate bane]

actually for one of the podcasts on YC, they said they wanted the guy to come in for an interview for a technical advisor position, and he ended up staying there for 4 hours and it was basically his first day at work

[buoyant seal]

I think amount of interview = amount of candidates to position * size of the company (big company can afford spending more time/money to HR purposes)

[honest pivot]

It's not automatically a red flag, as long as they understand that a person is likely to be unprepared for a same day interview. And it would be reasonable to offer him the opportunity to reschedule if it is too short notice.

[dense mesa]

They're not really giving a lot of time to prepare, although it does let the candidate get those steps out of the way quicker

[inner wren]

Hey @low snow!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[gilded valley]

@low snow if you're trying to post your CV, post it as a screenshot instead

[low snow]

I'm going to apply for an internship soon, if possible can you guys give me some advice on my current resume?

It seems like discord compresses images quite a bit, open original might be a bit easier to read I think

[near ocean]

my first impression is that those are a lot of bullet points

i would personally not make each of the project titles a bullet point

[fleet zephyr]

yeaah i think sin cos tan

[buoyant seal]

i like it. It reminds me of my silly Yaml resume. Mine has it even worse xD

[near ocean]

Thats too much, the education section looks nice imo so the whole thing should be consistent

Also idk how systems parse bullet points tho thats not that important

Wording in projects section needs some work but im commuting back home atm so cant go into much detail

[copper anvil]

Name every single programming job that does not need me to be good at math.

[near ocean]

This is career discussion as they relate to python and related tech

[copper anvil]

yes i know

[near ocean]

There's maths everywhere, why are you trying to avoid it

[copper anvil]

I Know there's math everywhere, but some topics need you to be good at HARD math topics, I'm trying to avoid those. Because even 1+2 is math.

[near ocean]

Pick something other than ai and ml then

And maybe graphics, maybe backend too

[copper anvil]

I want to do software development since I like GUI and buttons

[near ocean]

Then try out frontend and UI/UX work

Not really a python thing tho, you'd have to pick up JS and assorted libraries

[copper anvil]

Tbh I'll learn Python properly first

Then I'll annoy you guys again 😁

[near ocean]

Why python and not something more mature in GUI dev

[copper anvil]

I know python is not ideal for GUI stuff

But I need to master a language to move on to another language.

When should I consider myself ready to move on to another language?

[near ocean]

How far are you into python and why did you pick it if you want to do GUI

[buoyant seal]

Almost any programming job. Math is rarely needed.
Math is necessary only if you follow Data Science path
and if you go into 3D graphics / gaming stuff

[delicate bane]

you dont need to be good at math to be a programmer. where does this myth keep coming from?

[hardy geode]

from fake articles

[dawn leaf]

It is not necessary. But if you enjoy math there is a huge benefit to being strong in math. You can specialize into an area where it is required, and typically these areas have higher pay and (in my opinion) more interesting work

but i am biased as a math person myself

[low snow]

I see, so I guess some other symbols for titles and bullet points for description?

[low snow]

Yeah the wording is quite rough right now and definitely needs some changing up

I'm figuring out how

[graceful mason]

can probably include embedded/robotics in that

[gilded valley]

I would trim down some of your bullet points for the projects. Right now you go into some fairly granular detail which invites the reader to pick holes.

[buoyant seal]

ergh. You know... somewhere from same as it is good to know basic stuff
programming was born from math sort of
All this boolean algebra

In the past people had as programming only those mathematical formulas
and programming was first created to solve those math problems

We can sort of say that Math was prehistoring Data Structure and Algorithms subject

at this day Math is asked to be known just for general education and brain expansion. If the person handles math, then he is more likely to handle programming is expected.

[gilded valley]

Also flip the work experience and projects sections around. The work experience section is more relevant than the relatively standard projects you list

[low snow]

Is that so? Since I only have that one job which is only slightly relevant to the internship, I thought the projects would stand out a bit more

The projects were made from scratch with quite a lot of effort and not cookie cutter so I thought it would be better to put them first

[gilded valley]

The experience shows (or at least seems to) that you're capable of working in a professional environment, working with stakeholders, and are probably a reasonable communicator - the projects don't really say anything about your ability as a software engineer other than it being non-zero

I'd also recommend ditching gitlab in favour of github if the main reason you have it is to show off your open source work

[low snow]

Any reasons why this is the case? Is it simply because Github is more popular? Since I have gitlab pro version which is quite useful

[gilded valley]

it's more popular is the main reason yeah, it's not a huge thing, but I'd definitely imagine a github link will have a higher click-through rate. If you're actively developing and substantially prefer Gitlab, then stick with it, I doubt it's a huge thing and not worth putting a ton of effort into

[low snow]

Yea then I will probably leave gitlab there for a while since most of my project are on there. Also about the projects would 3 bullet points per project be a bit less clustered?

[honest pivot]

I don't see why anyone would care whether your repo is on Github or Gitlab, as long as it is public.

[gilded valley]

people are familiar with github, it's a UI more people are familiar with, so a dev who clicks through is more likely to click around more after opening it. Recruiters and non-tech people are aware of github in a way that they aren't aware of gitlab. I wouldn't be surprised if scanners were explicitly looking for Github links and not gitlab ones

[honest pivot]

Pretty sure anyone who's done enough software work to be evaluating CVs will be familiar with both. I highly doubt resumes are being scanned for Github links. Most people's Github/Gitlab links will not be visited at all, nobody has time for that.

[gilded valley]

Pretty sure anyone who's done enough software work to be evaluating CVs will be familiar with both.
I do not think that is true. I think there will be hordes of people who have practically never opened a gitlab page

I highly doubt resumes are being scanned for Github links.
Lots of companies explicitly ask for github links from applicants, it's a safe bet that some others are scanning for githbu links

Most people's Github/Gitlab links will not be visited at all, nobody has time for that.
Maybe, it depends on the kind of place they're applying to and who is doing the passes on CVs

https://blog.alexmaccaw.com/resumes-are-dangerous/
> The first thing I look for in a resume is a GitHub URL. If I can find that, I stop reading the resume and start reading code

there's one such example of someone putting a ton of weight on an applicants open source code

[honest pivot]

I'm sure this person is also happy to look at Gitlab links. Personally, I have hardly ever seen anyone's Git(hub|lab) that was actually worth looking at. People write surprisingly bad code and think it's worth showing off.

[fiery shell]

Is it true, that it's better to have smaller project with better written code than MASSIVE outstanding one, written poo(💩)rly?

[gilded valley]

agreed - I was just responding to the specific point in isolation there - but there does exist a spectrum of willing-to-look-at-code-ness

(I'm also now firmly convinced by the arguments in that blog that "I don't have time to look at GitHub links" is just lazy hiring practice and detrimental to everyone involved (this is partly a lie, the blog doesn't really make any arguments, but I have changed my mind on it recently))

[honest pivot]

I wouldn't expect anyone to read more than 100-200 lines of your code. But if you have a larger project, I would look at the organization of it, for sure.

[honest pivot]

There are very good reasons to look at Github links. But not of every resume, was my point. It takes valuable time.

[delicate bane]

[gilded valley]

I'm not sure. I think a surprising amount of time the interview or don't decision could be swayed in the right direction by a decent github link, but there's no data to back this up so I can't really say either way

[dawn leaf]

If I interview someone I always look through their github

It gives the most real information about their skill level and ability to build a project

[honest pivot]

If I interview them, yes. But before that, often not.

[fiery shell]

that makes sense, someone has those 2-3 mintues to show you "what" will make you to hire him, lol.

[dawn leaf]

If I am considering inviting them in for an interview

[honest pivot]

It really helps to actually say something on you CV about what's in your Github. And like point to a specific thing you'd like to show off.

[dawn leaf]

In other words if they are "really being considered"

[low snow]

I was trying to write clean code until the project gets bigger... and bigger then it's "features first refactor later", 3 weeks after the project is 90% finished and the refactoring is still nowhere to be seen

Small projects like <150 lines I write pretty cleanly though

[near ocean]

tfw Azure DevOps gang

[smoky quest]

small tip: Add test coverage and use that when you have some spare time or are bored to guide where to refactor and add test
It avoids long philosophical questions such as "what should I work on now?", is fast and easy, and help you feel good in a short time since you can see some progress and made something better

[broken nova]

What classes should I take in high school? I’m going to take AP computer science next year and I’m wondering what else I can do

[mortal wedge]

The extent to which I look at external links / GitHub / blogs depends on the level of interaction I’ll be having with the employee and the importance of the role. If I’ll be working closely with them and they’re filling a vital empty spot, I’ll be going through ANYTHING I can find on them. That includes LinkedIn , GitHub, mentioned blogs. Some coworkers will actually go through peoples social media and google them. I don’t go quite that far, but you should be aware that it could be checked out.

[delicate bane]

[delicate bane]

if you think youre interested in programming, i would also try to learn outside of school and see what particular topics you like and dont like.

[broken nova]

Ive been learning python on my own for the past year or so

The class is going to be on Java

[plucky karma]

https://hyperskill.org/join/a72c112b

JetBrains Java Developer course.

[brittle thorn]

Thats how I got started being a Chem major lmao

[lofty pumice]

whats the average and minimum pay for a software dev in FAANG companies?

like i just need an idea

[near ocean]

you can look that up in glassdoor and levels.fyi and average out

They dont have FAANG specific aggregates afaik

[sick bison]

aye, faang will pay geographicly competitive salaries so just check salary.com

deduct 20% if it's entry level

[lofty pumice]

oh

[sick bison]

there's a .gov, it's not very current though and this crazy inflation will probably not be reflected by gov stats

[lofty pumice]

inflation?

[sick bison]

at least in united stats, money is only worth about 90% of what it was last year

[lofty pumice]

damn, theres literally no effect in asia lol

[fiery shell]

Im actually learning python to swap my job. Ive been doing for a 4-5 months or so. Im actually learning fast api, cause backend is what interests me. What would you advise to focus on? Or to be more specified, what skills do you need from an emoloyee if you interview one? How would I catch your attention.
I have been working as data analyst for 2, years, but i ak tired of it.
Please advice fellow friend losing his motivation :(

[smoky quest]

You can check out https://roadmap.sh/ for a list of skills.
Obviously for junior level, that would be a subset of them.

I would also recommend to check your area for the most popular language/framework for backend

[hard pebble]

I love python but don't know how it can help me in future, any suggestions

[smoky quest]

Python is a general purpose language and can thus be used for a lot of things.
In terms of career, a language is just a tool and there is more to a career than a programming language. Thus I recommend to:

• Aim for a CS degree and ensure you have the grades to get there
• Have fun and learn more about python and all the crazy things you can do. So make robots, webapps, games and whatnot!

[hard pebble]

Thank you ☺️ for suggestions

Thanks 👍

But, What all I can do with python ? @vapid jay @smoky quest

[smoky quest]

that's a great question for which google has some great answers 😉

[hard pebble]

Ok👍

[thick saffron]

can someone share me a great CV?

[near ocean]

Share your own and people can help improve it

[dense mesa]

<@&831776746206265384> discord comes down very heavily on people who stream this kinda stuff 😃

[tropic bronze]

yep sorry😅

[tropic bronze]

stay happy

[dense mesa]

Thanks 👍

[tropic bronze]

no prob dudew

[solemn canopy]

HEy guys, to those who know. I have an ask.

WOuld you guys say it's fine for me to use the Projects Done on DataCamp on my resume?

[dense mesa]

Yes

[peak halo]

what is datacamp? and what positions are you applying for? are they internships?

[peak halo]

I would change the name if you're able to. if not, and you're not too invested in that GH account, I would switch to a different one.

[cosmic skiff]

Basic skills to grab intern help

[balmy spade]

Listening and communication. Without further understanding of intern for what, these are the only two that matter where I work.

[gloomy matrix]

just started python; Anyone want to be friends?

at the moment Im working on tkinter python

[grim summit]

Thank you guys for the help and guidance I managed to land a job as a Senior game dev leader 😄

[dense mesa]

Congratulations!!! 👏👏👏

[delicate bane]

congrats

i got a good laugh out of this paraphrasing, since everyone always talks about faang

the long answer is much more detailed talking about other companies

tbf, i dont think fang itself is especially toxic but maybe how many are obsessed with it isnt always healthy

thats a good idea i believe

[summer roost]

I think that depends on the particular FAANG company. They have pretty different cultures. Facebook and Google seem to have pretty good cultures, but Amazon seems to have an absolutely terrible culture.

[dense mesa]

Interned at Amazon (not SWE though), am going to a much better non-FAANG company because of it

The company sucks 😂

[summer roost]

I'm not even sure why Netflix is FAANG. They're not even a particularly large company... My non-FAANG tech company is around 2x the size of Netflix by number of FTEs

[dense mesa]

Plus the pay at any finance/hedge fund/quant company (I think you said you worked in finance) is gonna be better anyways

[summer roost]

I'm not sure about Netflix's comp in particular, but FinTech tends to be pretty comparable to FAANG in terms of comp

Which makes sense, since from the company's PoV, they're competing with FAANG for engineering talent

[delicate bane]

ive also heard awful things about amazon

[delicate bane]

grandfather-ed in?

[summer roost]

Apple seems to be somewhere in between. Less awful than Amazon, less pleasant than Google and Facebook. They have weirdly restrictive policies on what OSS contributions their engineers can make, and they tend not to be very visible at conferences. They've got a bit of a toxic culture of secrecy, it seems.

[summer roost]

Or just because FAANG sounds badass and dropping the N less so 😄

I think it's mostly because it's a big tech company that is a household name that consumers interact directly with

Which is likely why Google is still in there instead of Alphabet, and Facebook instead of Meta

[delicate bane]

yeah i heard everyone who exits gets their job title changed to associate in national databases or something

[delicate bane]

makes sense lol. consumer bias.

[summer roost]

lol, was the Apple? I've heard about that.

Forgot what company it was

[delicate bane]

yeah it was apple. i was like

[dense mesa]

Apple was reported to do that yeah, basically a middle finger to people when they're trying to get references allegedly

[feral monolith]

def verif():
n=in(input("how old are you?"))
while not(n>18):
print("you are good")
return n

[kindred geyser]

is there a job posting channel in this server?

[peak halo]

No, we do not allow that in any channel

[kindred geyser]

is there such a server that has python jobs? (i'm new to discord)

[summer roost]

this channel is about jobs/careers. Try an off-topic channel.

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel: #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[summer roost]

I don't know of a Discord server for it, but there's https://www.reddit.com/r/PythonJobs/

[peak halo]

I don't know, but you should probably use a proper job listing service

[vapid jay]

i need help

[smoky quest]

Hi! #❓｜how-to-get-help may be a good place to look for help then

[true turtle]

!ban 725199168431456326 racist troll

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @deep trench permanently.

[hexed steppe]

hey, anyone have some time to help me format and review my resume a little bit?

[dense mesa]

Get rid of personally identifiable info and post here

[hexed steppe]

Wanted to get some feedback on how I explained my work experience, not sure if my sentences make sense

[graceful mason]

• responsible for using designing doesn't make sense
• you should name which tools/libraries you've used for the first position

[peak halo]

were both of those positions with the same company? it might be viewed as a bit disconcerting that you didn't stay with the same company for very long.

[smoky quest]

the massive use of bullet points is a bit disorienting.
Something that I have seen work is to start with a 1-2 lines describe what's the role about and then the bullet points about specific achievements or skills to call out.

In your bullet points, it would also help to quantify their impact. Did they save money or time? Or improve usage or some other metric?

[tidal gazelle]

What subjects do computer science degrees generally look for?

[smoky quest]

not sure to understand the question. Can you rephrase it?

[tidal gazelle]

In order to get a computer science job, what subjects do they look for?

[smoky quest]

it very much depends on the job and level of experience.
You can see some examples there: https://roadmap.sh/

[tidal gazelle]

okay, thank you

Also knowing python can help you get a job in software engineering right?

[smoky quest]

it can help

[tidal gazelle]

Lastly, would getting a software engineer career in the future be hard, relative to other engineering jobs? If someone has prior experience or knowledge about this

I don't trust the internet with these type of questions

[smoky quest]

It's all relative.
The easiest way to get into a software engineer career is to go through a degree.
Then relative to other engineering jobs, it depends on your location, market and a bunch of other factors

[violet talon]

hi I have doubt(maybe a noob doubt) but I'm just confused between
Normal Btech and Btech(Cyber security)

Like they will teach specialization in cyber security So, if after my graduation I wanna join a software development company or that something not related to Cyber security (hope u got me like not in cyber security field) so if I do Btech(cyber security) than I will limit to only cyber security jobs or it is doest matter much
the company just needs a Btech degree and skills (they don't care about Specialization)

"Ping/mention if you answer"
Sorry for my bad English O.O
And thank you :D

[dense mesa]

It's usually better to have a broad undergrad degree and specialise after

[violet talon]

it is both btech n mtech integrated

[dense mesa]

That looks like a CS undergrad with a specialised masters

[violet talon]

it have CSE and cycer security i think they more focus on cyber security

[dense mesa]

If you could post the course structure, that would be helpful

[violet talon]

sure

[near remnant]

hey guys. I've been working with python + flask + js lately but a friend of mine reached out to me and offered me a part-time "freelancer" job. basically being a sitebuilder, doing the html + css + ui part for really good money

do you guys think its a good deal or not worth to consider?

im scared, bcus even tho i learned flexbox and all that, i haven't used css (flexbox, etc) all that much nowadays

[dense mesa]

Would need a lot more context but if the money is good then why not? Can learn everything you need on the job

[near remnant]

Yeah I guess. Im still learning and I think it would be help me to gain experience

[dense mesa]

Would be a great opportunity from what you've said, if you have time then could be worth considering

[eager cedar]

Hey guys!

[wary stratus]

hi

[near remnant]

Yeah, I just need to refresh myself with HTML, CSS, SCSS but yeah. should be fine!

But I'm quite good with Bootstrap, so I might ask if I can use it:D

[balmy mural]

Looking for some feedback on my CV
Should I only be listing skills that are relevant / likely to be relevant to the jobs I'm applying, or do I pad it a bit with skills that probably aren't specific to the job I'm applying for?

[gilded valley]

what country are you in?

[balmy mural]

South Africa

[near remnant]

go look up CV templates

the margins, the colors, the positioning all bad

[balmy mural]

This is a CV template

[gilded valley]

There's often substantially different expectations for CVs in different regions, so my perspective is UK/US and that might be substantially different to SA. But two big things that stand out to me are: you don't go into much detail about your experience, you should have a couple of bullets for each thing explaining the relevant skills involved; and you don't need to list every single unit you attended in university, pick out a few that feature the most important skills and just include your overall mark in university.

[dense mesa]

It's a very poor one, try https://latexresu.me

[near remnant]

yeah I guess it's a bad template, quite

[gilded valley]

You probably also want to bulk up your skills section a lot, include things beyond programming languages - libraries and soft skills - e.g time series analysis could be a skill itself

[near remnant]

I've been using this CV template for like a year now and getting interviews and calls often

[gilded valley]

Should I only be listing skills that are relevant / likely to be relevant to the jobs I'm applying, or do I pad it a bit with skills that probably aren't specific to the job I'm applying for?

Have a big list, then tailor that list to the specific job by cutting some or rewording them to match the job ad
but you can and should include skills beyond what is asked for in the ad

[gritty rampart]

What is python

And why is useful

[fickle karma]

Where can I find python backend internship jobs?

[dense mesa]

@gritty rampart this channel is for career discussion, try asking in #python-discussion

[peak halo]

does your university have a career services center?

[fickle karma]

I am in High school and they dont

[peak halo]

you usually can't get a programming internship as a HS student

[balmy mural]

Thanks for the feedback, will make changes and post the updated one

[fickle karma]

Not even a free part-time job? I just want to work and gain experience.

[patent scaffold]

anyone here works for amazon as an SDE, specficially in VA? im considering a program that will allow me to go in as an apprentice but im concerened about WFH.

[balmy mural]

Updated CV

[vapid jay]

Anyone know if full sail is a good college for coding?

[peak halo]

if you're doing something that's actually valuable for the employer, they legally have to pay you. so unpaid programming internships aren't really a thing.

[fickle karma]

I see. Are there any community based projects that I can participate in and work for free?

[peak halo]

we have open-source projects that you can ask about in #dev-contrib. I believe github also has a feature for finding open source projects that relate to your interests, but I'm not completely sure.

[fickle karma]

Alright thanks man

[pastel gate]

hi I don't know where to ask question for help
can someone guide me where to write?
please

[fickle karma]

any of the #help channels. #help-kiwi , #help-dumpling and such

[mystic onyx]

Ehat can I mainly use python for other than making calculators?

[dense mesa]

Is this in the context of careers?

[vapid jay]

hello

[mystic onyx]

Yeah sure

Make software and sell it

Damn I just re-invented adobe

[dense mesa]

?

[mystic onyx]

I just need to know if python is worth knowing

[dense mesa]

Again, is this in the context of your career?

[graceful mason]

Depends entirely on the company and product, but I believe the most common python applications are data science, task automation (e.g. pipeline scripts), web development, and APIs/microservices

It's definitely worth knowing to some degree because chances are python will be used anywhere, and you can use it to quickly put together solutions for any small tasks

[delicate bane]

this looks better than overleaf lol

[dense mesa]

It's overleaf but easier

[zealous imp]

Is there any python learning apps for mobile

[dense mesa]

#python-discussion or #❓｜how-to-get-help, this channel is to discuss careers

[zealous imp]

Okay

[vapid jay]

How can I start to programming? I have never done it before

[vapid jay]

same, and i skipped the tutorial by accident

[dense mesa]

@vapid jay @vapid jay this channel is for discussing Python careers, if you need help starting then ask in #python-discussion

[keen dagger]

Hi guys

[mellow creek]

Any Data Engineers

[dense mesa]

Not my official title but I do some for the role

[peak halo]

you'll get better responses if you introduce a question/topic. why are you asking for data engineers? what would you say if someone said yes?

[mellow creek]

"hi"

[crystal berry]

lol I had an interview scheduled at Facebook this week https://nypost.com/2022/05/05/facebook-parent-meta-orders-hiring-freeze-as-growth-slows/

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[jagged glade]

one hopes that either this was preventing a bad thing, or you shall receive a consolation prize in the future.
either way, ouch

[crystal berry]

Thanks, not sure I wanted the job but was hoping to at least interview lol

At least it's nothing personal

[covert vector]

whats better software eng or computer eng

[covert vector]

well step 1 is choosing a language. Step 2 is learning the language either through a book, youtube, online course, school, etc. Step 3 is doing projects and gaining experience.

good languages to learn IMO are: python, c#, golang, from what i hear those are pretty good languages to start

javascript is very cool as well if u want to start with that i think its good javascript is a beautiful language

[vapid jay]

Is it possible to make money coding at 16 ? Shattered my window and now I need a summer job

[lone heron]

Yea you can

[vapid jay]

How

[undone willow]

How likely will an employer take a chance on someone who is still “in school” to graduate with a degree in computer science?

[undone willow]

Do you think with JavaScript it’ll be enough to be employable as a full stack engineer?

[jagged glade]

if your grades are such that it's reasonable to assume that you'll graduate, then they'll likely agree with that assessment

[undone willow]

3.020 good enough? XD

God I’m screwed aren’t I?

[smoky quest]

for what?

[undone willow]

Full stack?

[smoky quest]

a job now? A job in the future? An internship? A hot dog?

[undone willow]

Job or internship now?

[smoky quest]

they may, but the problem is you can't conciliate more than one full time activity

[undone willow]

Wdym?

[smoky quest]

So you haven't graduated yet. Fine.
But you are also looking for a job? But I am looking for a full time engineer. So what do we do?

[undone willow]

Take a chance with someone with skill?

[smoky quest]

what does "take a chance" means to you?
It doesn't mean anything in the abstract

As an employer, taking a chance with a student means I am expecting them to graduate and be awesome.
Now the problem is they won't be awesome if they cannot graduate.
So that means I have to wait until they graduate and find something to accommodate them until then

If they don't graduate, then they aren't that awesome and I should be able to low ball them or actually find another of their classmate who was awesome enough to graduate

[smoky quest]

Just to be clear, every single employer will low ball you just because you did not graduate, even if you went through 99.999% of the classes and are missing 30min or .5 credit

[summer roost]

They're very different. Software engineering is more about software and programming, computer engineering is more about hardware and electrical engineering. There's some overlap, but your question is a lot like "which is better, chemistry or biology?" Neither one is "better", they're just two different things with no meaningful way to compare. Or maybe with too many ways to compare - in some ways one might be better, and in some ways the other might.

[smoky quest]

Also, I am kind of trying to hammer in the point without being too heavy, but try to look at your career over years, not just 6months.
People will totally take advantage of you if they can. They may pay you more than a self-taught person, but they will also not pay you or consider as much as someone who has actually graduated. So even if your first job may try to be nice, they will still try to take advantage of you ("hey we are totally believing in you, but cutting out your salary since you are still a student") and so will the next few jobs after that. Things compound and that means quite a bit of lost $$$ and responsibilities when looking at years down the road

[smoky quest]

And am totally hammering it in by now but, do you have any specific concerns about graduating?
Are there any problems folks could help you with?

[undone willow]

Doing it fast enough. I need to find a job to help tide me over which shouldn’t be too hard. Then just take in loans (I’m in the u.s) to get it done. I remember now that I’ve done this a few times already. In general I just want to work on something and be part of a team writing code.

What I don’t get is how in Latin America they just sort just let people in and pay them. Even without a degree.

And I wonder how I can do so also if I know similar levels of code and how it works together (or should).

[smoky quest]

people without a degree don't end up doing the same things than people with a degree.

Sounds like what you need is monetary support?
In which case, grants, student loans, part time jobs, etc. may help?

[dense mesa]

Not tryna be annoying, computer engineering is gonna have way more electronic engineering than electrical. It doesn't sound like a big difference, but when people look into academic topics and job roles, they start splitting off considerably

[sage crater]

What do I need to know to be able to work as python programmer? I want to become a Data scientist, but it's a long way so am thinking about learning at first some stuff I can make money from right away.Any advices from experts?

[real rapids]

how to create a discussion channel on your discord server?

[dense mesa]

#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[delicate bane]

have you considered internships? you can get paid and learn

[delicate bane]

one hot dog please

[delicate bane]

if your goal is DS eventually, it might be better to start as a data analyst and make your way there (if its too hard outright). you can use python for analysis-type work, especially with pandas

[undone willow]

I thought of it but should I just apply? It something I stated interest. Not sure if Recursive is warning against it for the same reason as jobs.

[delicate bane]

what? internships are built for students, you know that right?

[sage crater]

What do I need to know to find a job in that field?

[delicate bane]

recursive is saying, from an employer's perspective, the risks of hiring a student for a full time position

[brittle thorn]

Coffee with that hot dog sir?

[brittle thorn]

Actually good advice here

[sage crater]

So what do I have to learn/how good level of this to achieve to find a job?

[graceful mason]

Do you have a degree/are you in uni?

[keen dagger]

hello

[sage crater]

First year in Ukraine uni,now thinking about entering a uni in Italy(am here) or moving in Germany to study in uni

[graceful mason]

Assuming your course is CS related you should have an easy time finding a data analyst internship. Make sure you develop Python/SQL skills, particularly things like numpy/pandas/matplotlib, and maybe do some kaggle projects and learn R in your free time. Hopefully your course has some modules focused around those

For the company hiring interns it's pretty easy to teach any CS student the skills necessary to be a data analyst, so it's important to show that:

• you have a genuine interest in data
• the ability to look at one dataset from many POVs
• the confidence and communication skills necessary to present analysis to technical and non-technical audiences

[sage crater]

Wow thanks a lot,yeah my course is CS, which modules of math do I have to be good at?

[graceful mason]

I'd say mostly a strong knowledge of stats and probability with a basic level of algebra/calculus (more advanced to branch into more data sciencey stuff like AI/ML)

[sage crater]

Any have to read books in this field?

[hard elbow]

hi everyone

does anyone use pycharm?

i don't know how to add python3.10 as my new interprete

[chrome cedar]

wrong channel for this question

[hard elbow]

sorry i'm new here

can you tell me where is it?

[marsh wind]

#❓｜how-to-get-help check this channel, it has all info you need to get started around and get helped 🙂

[vapid jay]

Who here is into pentesting?

Or really into any cyber security field.

[dense mesa]

#cybersecurity

[vapid jay]

Why can't I discuss a career in the career channel? False labeling.

[dense mesa]

No one said you couldn't, you didn't ask something about careers in your original message

[vapid jay]

Cyber security is a career.

[true harness]

it's better to just ask the question you want to ask instead of asking if there's someone to ask

[vapid jay]

I wasn't asking if there was someone to ask. Don't assume.

[true harness]

so you just wanted to know if people were into pentesting? the server is big enough that you could probably assume the answer is yes

[vapid jay]

Bold assumption. Won't do that.

[gilded valley]

I've done some pen testing

[vapid jay]

What would that be?

[marsh wind]

the point is that you ask a question in a way that it does not appear career related, hence other member are trying to steer you into the #cybersecurity channel. And it's generally advised to not approach question/discussion in the topic channels from afar

[vapid jay]

Sorry, I didn't realize cyber security wasn't a career. I should go education myself. My apologies.

[marsh wind]

no one said it is not a career. That's not the point. The point is that any discussion on cybersec subject might or might not be career related. as with any subject. I.e. if you ask about skills you might need to have to get hired in cybersec and how to better higlight your experinece/knowledge in your resume that would be totally appropriate to the channel. If you'd ask what is the best starting point to learn how to do pen testing or what is the best website/OS/etc/etc to do it, then it would be better suited for #cybersecurity

[smoky quest]

Internships are typically time that is carved out of your school time. So there won't be a conflict.
With regards to jobs, since the times aren't carved out, you cannot by definition, have more than one full time occupation (student + job). That's also for that reason most jobs students take will be part time.

[limber grove]

hello, I am starting community college for 2 years and then transferring to university after, my only concern is that I will be behind in my coding skills when I transfer junior year to university, should i be concerned (cause only going to community to get generals done)

[dense mesa]

No one said cyber security wasn't a career, as I've mentioned previously. This channel is for discussing topics in the context of careers. I could very well just ask if anyone in this channel is into game development. Doesn't mean it's in the context of careers, maybe I just enjoy making games as a hobby.

No need to be so rude about it as well

[gilded valley]

I wouldn't worry too much. If you want to make sure you're not too far behind, then just spending some time programming wouldn't hurt

[delicate bane]

if you find yourself with some free time, spending time doing some personal projects (maybe 1 per semester) can help

[delicate bane]

speaking of cybersecurity, im seeing more and more programs (education, training, etc.) pop up.

[sage crater]

Yeah that sphere becomes more and more widespread

[fleet forge]

Hey guys, so what's the learning path for Backend web development like with Python.

Also, I'm pretty sure someone has asked this before. Maybe there should be pinned comments or something for these kinds of questions.

[covert vector]

ok thanks

[smoky quest]

https://roadmap.sh/backend should be of help

[dense mesa]

Yeah the UK is pushing a lot for it too, very promising to see

[fleet forge]

Arigatou, sempai

[dense mesa]

@fleet forge just for future, there's pinned messages where I've posted the roadmap :)

[delicate bane]

how much do you think is reactionary lol

[quick dock]

A game SE is an all-rounder the could create the entire logic for any type of app (finance/construction/ etc.) not related to gaming , from the start but less so with networks,servers,db , true ?

[deft path]

Does anyone know any good 3d modeling jobs?

[smoky quest]

That's more to do with being a software engineer than pertaining to games

[silent abyss]

congrats!

[dense mesa]

Idk tbh 😂

[maiden oxide]

.

[near remnant]

lol what

[inner wren]

Hey @vapid jay!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.exe). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[delicate bane]

imposter syndrome is very common in tech.

that headline is very clickbait-y though, since it doesnt explain anything

[chrome cedar]

I had imposter syndrome my first year of work before I learned all the people above me are dumb as bricks
Depends on where you work though, some places are more intimidating that others

Doesn't help that software and corps like to use names and abbreviations that make no sense

[near remnant]

Im about to start my internship in a month and Im scared already

[vital mural]

Why the fuck is the ratio like 10:1 males:females in my computer science class

[chrome cedar]

Because STEM has been predominantly males for all of history because of sexism that's unfortunately been continued into modern times

[sharp thunder]

Has anybody done contract to hire here? I just got an offer for contract to hire for my first job into software development from system admin . And was wondering if contract to hire is worth it?

[obtuse thorn]

I have heard good things about it before, but I have also heard of contractors being laid off early and not getting a permanent position because of it. So it is probably a bit riskier that a permanent position, but depending on your situation, it could be a good opportunity still.

[sharp thunder]

@obtuse thorn are the reasons contractors for being laid off is just the company not needing them anymore suddenly? I agreed to the offer blindly moments ago just cause I really wanted to work in a software role

[summer roost]

contract to hire can be a good arrangement for both the and the employee. How long is the contract for? Is the pay higher or lower than similar jobs at the same skill level? Usually a reputable company will offer ~20% more pay for a contract role than they pay for similar non-contract roles.

[sharp thunder]

@summer roost from the email, it will be 6 months. The pay is considerably high close to 6 figure range at 95k. The company is a leading provider for DOD , U.S intelligence community , and other agencies.

[ebon tinsel]

how much can i ask to code python for someone?

[summer roost]

That sounds reasonable for someone with sysadmin experience but no software dev experience. It sounds reasonably likely to be legit to me.

[shrewd igloo]

It will depend on a lot of factors, costs are calculated based on functionality, you need a methodology (for example agile or scrum) from where you can charge on a regular basis based on agreed upon functionalities to be developed and delivered, with dates and so on. Cost will also depend on your expertise, and the client budget.

[delicate bane]

you got this.

[shy sage]

#discord-bots

[smoky quest]

Hi!
How does that relate to #career-advice ?

[junior ocean]

How do you guys decide if you want to take a job? Is it just the about the money? What red flags that you are unwilling to ignore? I ask because I'm looking at job offer and I'm a little torn.

[smoky quest]

rather than making abstract lists which may not be relevant to you, why don't you describe what's up with your offer?

[quaint lintel]

So honest question. I have knowledge in python, aws cloud computing, network, bash, sql, Lua, html, CSS, JavaScript, and PowerShell. What route should I take with what I have listed? I'm new to the whole looking for a job in the tech field.

[smoky quest]

There is a good list of roles and associated skills there: https://roadmap.sh/

From what you described, it could be cloud/devops/backend/frontend

[quaint lintel]

thank you

[junior ocean]

@smoky quest Will do

• The outside recruiter messed up my pay range to the company.
• Outside recruiter said I'd get X and couldn't get that amount. Missed by about TLC8%
• The company responded by offering me less than the recruiter said they would
• The company then asked me to commit to a job offer right on the spot
• The company told me they want to hire me but they have a second candidate willing to take less.
• Feels high pressure used car salesman like.

[smoky quest]

yeah, that's red flags all over.
That applies to everything: if someone is trying to force you to make a decision on the spot, that means they don't want you to think about it.
I just walk away on principles just for that, always

I have always had at least 3-5 days to sign offers. And recently, they have been even more accommodating

Note that, I wouldn't necessarily care about the recruiter messing up since:

• you mentioned they are outsider
• the recruiter may be bad but they won't be part of your team or product that you will be working on

So the last three points are definitely red flags, the third point is kind of a flag but could be resolved by explaining what you are looking for.

[junior ocean]

@smoky quest

• Pros a little more than I'm making now
• Very Cool tech
• Most of the team seems like they would be cool to work with
• My skill sets seems like I'd be a tailor fit.
• Growth opportunities.
• I ask for stock, they are still private.

[smoky quest]

If they are so great, why do they force you to accept on the spot?

[junior ocean]

I think the head of talent recruitment seems to be extremely pushy.

Other team members don't come across that way.