career-advice

[fervent surge]

how much python do you know?

@shadow parrot *

[shadow parrot]

I'm not sure the exact answer to that question, I'd love to see a chart of that if it exists

I know OOP, DS & Algorithms to a workable level

I know what decorators, generators, currying are

[fervent surge]

Honestly I'd stick with python for now

C++ is better paid but there are jobs in these areas for Python devs too

But if you are a very good c++ programmer, who knows a shit tonne about it, you can earn big bucks

[shadow parrot]

Gotcha yeah that makes sense, it’s definitely a skill you’d have to build up

I’ll probably just stick to python then, since Im just trying to get my foot in the door like yu said

[wicked turtle]

I am currently learning to program mostly web applications, but maybe I should experiment with things like machine learning, would that be a good way to use the time I have?

[vapid jay]

It's not. You could try to learn how to use existing machine learning models in to your applications. That would be a more useful way of your time. Because ML itself has a steep learning curve and applying it to industry requires some background in the related industry, so if your focus is web applications I wouldn't suggest getting into ML that deep at least without direction for now.

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I need to pick up some C# to maintain some internal code for an application. I'm not sure if it's worth my time because I work in data engineering and mostly use python and scala.
Will I be wasting time learning C#, since I am not able to think of any use for it in my career (especially because I don't know where it's actually used) aside from this piece of internal code I need to maintain now.

[wicked turtle]

@vapid jay By mavhine learning models, do you mean like pretrained models or just using exisitng algorithms?

[vapid jay]

pretrained models

it's a skill to be able to productionize models, you don't necessarily need to know how to build models yourself

[wicked turtle]

hmm I guess I could try that, thanks

I should probably find somewhere I could start using my knowledge in real life solution during the summer, would probably be a good way to push myself further and learn more naturally

[little trellis]

@vapid jay Learning a new language can help you elsewhere by giving you new ways of thinking. I'd say it's worth it if you can find any utility for it. You don't have to go crazy and dive too deep, just learn enough to be useful with it and use it for that task.

If you know other languages it shouldn't be too difficult to learn another

[frigid turret]

Hello

[shadow moss]

We use it at work for Data Engineering, it's not common for that purpose but it's very popular generalist language that's getting pretty speedy these days. Microsoft is trying to make it into language for data use but it's yet to be seen if that will actually happen (my gut says not really)

[modest quail]

Hey guys im starting my internship as a mechanical engineer and know i realized that i wanna switch to software development

Im learning javascript doing some projects and i know python basics, also spending sometime learning linux (i use debian). Can i actually do the so called switch to tech knowing this two lenguages or should i learn another one?

[silent scaffold]

I want to evolve to a simple project for free

[woven breach]

I am a double economics and accounting major in 4th year but my friend in nanotech eng was telling me that eventually everyone will need to learn to code so i was wondering what's everyones thoughts on that ?

[fallen dew]

In accounting/econ? Maybe eventually, but still probably decently far off (although it certainly doesn’t hurt to know programming now in those fields).

In general across all professions? No.

[pine mist]

I am currently in the same zone as you.. I am an aerospace engineer wanting to shift to software development.. from what i have heard from people around me, more than the language what matters is the number of projects you can put up on your resume. I am learning web development in python and js btw 😛

[fallen dew]

I work in accounting and have a bachelor’s in accounting, but am learning python in hopes of either an eventual career switch, or to combine the skills of both and leverage myself into a different position @woven breach

[jolly furnace]

aerospace engineering sounds cool

[pine mist]

haha ! It seems many of us are headed the same direction

[fallen dew]

Not saying I will stop at python, I’d like to learn other things too such as SQL, maybe R or Java but that’d be far off. I’m taking it very slowly

[jolly furnace]

bad pay with aerospace?

[pine mist]

It is cool. But in my country, there arent opportunities

[fallen dew]

Working full time and having a baby does not give me as much time as I’d like to learn lol

I only put in 5-10 hours tops per week. But doing it consistently at least

[pine mist]

Python can be used in finance, like trading algorithms ..

[fallen dew]

Yeah for sure, python has tons of uses for working with numbers & data

Even in Excel there are some basic accounting things I can automate with python scripts

My guess is there are not a lot of accountants by trade who also know programming

Having it on the resumé certainly wouldn’t hurt

[woven breach]

i see, I don't see myself switching careers just yet but I wanted to know what language could compliment a career in auditing, financial reporting or even finance transformation ?

[fallen dew]

I know of maybe 1 or 2 out of like 50+ accountants I probably know personally

Probably SQL, python, & visual basic (VBA)

Depends on what you’d be doing. Some roles with similar titles within the industry actually do very different work

We have one senior at my company who is basically like the reporting guy who knows how to do all the formatting and working with data

Most of the other accountants don’t know how to do any of what he does

But having a bachelor’s degree plus being proficient in Excel is a great first step IMO

[wanton scaffold]

If you're doing that financial field, excel is invaluable. Finance guys love an excel master

[fair rivet]

i am really interested in Coding, ML, AI , Webdesign. So could anyone recommend and cool courses which i cud do online?

something along the lines of CS-50

[crude crown]

knowing programming as an accountant seems to me a great skill to have

I've been developing some short scripts here and there to help a relative who works in accounting to fetch some data from some shitty web portals. There's quite a bit of low hanging fruits in there IMO.

[little trellis]

Having a solid understanding of the fundamentals of any language and then learning how to apply it in the real world is what is important. As a mechanical engineer I can imagine that you could find uses for integrating CS into you day job/finding a hybrid job that is between mechanical engineering and straight software engineering. If you can do that and focus on shifting more to the software engineering work you can now say that you were paid to do software engineering tasks and enter the industry much easier.

[delicate gust]

anyone want to help review my LinkedIn profile introduction? Any feedback would be appreciated

[little trellis]

Sure @delicate gust

Send it over

[jolly quest]

What python libraries are used for automation software?

[radiant moon]

lots?

ansible?

[jolly quest]

hmm imma look into ansible

what is lots?

[delicate gust]

what do you want to automate?

[jolly quest]

checkout automation 😺

[delicate gust]

Selenium

Checkout https://github.com/EricJMarti/inventory-hunter written in Python + Selenium

[radiant moon]

I just meant "there are probably lots of such libraries"

[jolly quest]

@delicate gust True but i heard selenium was pretty slow

[delicate gust]

yea it is slow. But it is easy. Your other alternative is writing out the web requests.

[jolly quest]

yeah probably gonna go with the requests part even if its hard it'll still be insightful

[delicate gust]

then all you need it requests

[jolly quest]

Alright thanks for answering my question!

[delicate gust]

np

[deft solstice]

do people get internships in this discord?

if thats posible ?

idk i just wanted to know because i wanted to know about careers

[rare plaza]

yeah I got an internship

2 years ago

I got it form my college

I didnt really do much work to find an internship, my college found one for me and I just applied with my CV

[vapid jay]

what is a good job one can do while in university to hone his skills and earn a few bucks

execpt freelancing

[fervent hamlet]

GLA?

Tho its looking kinda grim atm

[vapid jay]

what is that

google results show mercedez benz

[fervent hamlet]

Lab assistant at uni

[vapid jay]

ah

[fervent hamlet]

Or teaching assistant

[vapid jay]

i want something with more freedom

does google hire uni students?

[vapid jay]

thats why i was asking for this

i want to be able to eventually land a job at google

but i need experience

part time job at google lmao

the thing is i have heard they dont care for projects you do on your own

i mean stuff you do when you are unemployed

[shadow moss]

They hire interns

[vapid jay]

test

[stoic bone]

I want to study Artificial intelligence after my high school , so which universities would you recommend me to study ....basically in abroad

[edgy palm]

don't go to college or university
be self taught when it comes to skills in technology because internet is the best resource

[narrow urchin]

Hii

I am 14 years old and I know python.Can I get jobs after I finished my highschool without any courses

[stoic bone]

look , its not about education .. i just wanna meet like minded people and get the right environment for me to do my work

[junior wind]

@narrow urchin start building a resume of your projects. Depends on the quality and the company that you are showing it too. They know what they are looking for. Python is a great language to learn but there is software, networking, security and many other sub-niches within the field of IT. Keep doing projects by building your own tools from scratch for the sub niche that you want to learn or get better at.

[hot seal]

Best python course on udemy?

[narrow urchin]

I am good at Artificial intelligence I have one

[stoic bone]

and a good university will surely help me progress ahead , also i will be making my own team there and start working on projects ....

[edgy palm]

ummm I understand good then

[junior wind]

That's awesome! You're beyond me in the sub niche so there ya go! Have you heard of MITRE labs? If I was gowing for AI as my niche, I would gear it towards security scans. Pull from the CVE databases across the net and allow it to automate the scans for you.

[stoic bone]

ya mate , thts why 😃 , i'm too confused where to go.
In my country everything is based on competition which i dont really like

[narrow urchin]

Thanks buddy

[stoic bone]

How do we get internships? can somebody explain??

[hot seal]

@stoic bone hey

[stoic bone]

greetings @hot seal

[hot seal]

@stoic bone are you from India ?

[stoic bone]

yeah budd

[hot seal]

@stoic bone me too

[stoic bone]

i see , there are indeed a lot of Indians here

[hot seal]

Are you in college

[stoic bone]

12th

[hot seal]

Ok

[stoic bone]

You?

[hot seal]

Graduated in electrical engineering

[stoic bone]

Holy ...wow

[stoic bone]

what r u thinking to persuade ahead @hot seal

[hot seal]

I am learning web developing

[onyx steeple]

i got a dumb question

[regal atlas]

ow

hello everyone

i'm new

i need help

[mental tartan]

Hi everyone! ^-^ Could anyone offer me a summer student job related to biological computing with pyton? Due to the coronavirus my summer research project is cancelled. But I think programming cooperation through internet seems like a possible way. 🙂 I am studying molecular bionics in a bachelor's degree.

[sleek lodge]

no

[rugged bane]

Looking for someone that can create an ( iOS/android) app that integrates with Facebook, Snapchat and Instagram

[fiery rose]

How to Code For Beginners (Super Quick And Easy)
https://youtu.be/0IWMNGi3WaM

[inner wren]

:x: According to my records, this user already has a mute infraction. See infraction #24472.

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @regal jackal until 2020-12-13 18:31 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 5 duplicated messages in 10s).

[indigo imp]

Is there any way to get these certifications for free ?https://pythoninstitute.org/

[serene cedar]

🤔

[vapid jay]

is learning tkinter worth it? i tried looking for work in the general area of tkinter and i can't find it anywhere and no one is asking for it,

[vapid jay]

honestly i dont think so

most applications arent written in tkinter

[jolly furnace]

most gui libs literally work in the same way

have a bunch of listeners and give then callbacks

[summer roost]

certifications in software development are nearly worthless - I wouldn't bother.

[small plover]

tkinter in my opinion wouldn't scale in real world apps...other languages do it way better... how ever in my company engineers use tkinter to build quick tools to help perform other tasks

[vapid jay]

so like prototypes? would u say it is good to learn as a new learner for guis? @small plover

[small plover]

not so much prototypes, but along the lines of personal tools to help the engineer do their job more efficiently.

[vapid jay]

ohh

[small plover]

at least in my company anyway. We use python alot in my org, but its more backend stuff...tkinter is just nice if you want to pass a tool off to another engineer

[vapid jay]

ok thanks

[small plover]

np in my opinion if you learn tkinter qt, just being able to present a tool thats easy to use is the goal

[vapid jay]

would you mind giving me an example of a tool?

[small plover]

maybe a tool that allows your to easily see different components of a xml file with visual representation

[shadow moss]

GUIs are not commonly done that much anyways, PyGUI much more less

[elfin jacinth]

Guys do we need to pay to play store for launching our own build app on play store ? Similar for app store on iOS !

[mint citrus]

Yes

Like 15 USD

Only once not yearly

[elfin jacinth]

Ohk gr8 thx 👍

[short oriole]

Hello! I am new to this community. I have completed beginner courses in python. What should i learn or do to get a job as a python developer ?

[maiden palm]

guys does anyone know how does putting your app on google play cost?

[prime prawn]

@maiden palm it cost one-time $25 to open a developer account, after that you can upload apps to playstore for free

[elfin jacinth]

@prime prawn irrelevant of number of apps ?

[patent smelt]

qq

[obsidian acorn]

ss

[elfin jacinth]

?

[vapid jay]

hello

[chilly trench]

Can anyone give me best course for python programming in Dynamo revit?

[vapid jay]

@chilly trench hello

@chilly trench where are you from

[chilly trench]

@vapid jay I would prefer my location to be confidential but if you can help for online course or web page to learn about python dynamo it will be nice

[cyan dew]

Has anyone here had an experience with going into data science/software development with a physics bachelors? I'm considering working in either one of the two after I graduate this year. If you guys have any tips or advice that would be appreciated!

[sweet crow]

guys

[jagged heart]

what's the difference between computer science of arts and science (I'm trying to chose which one to do in college)

[pulsar drum]

I've never heard of the former

Computer Science literally has science in the name so what could "of arts" mean?

[jagged heart]

idk its one of the options that is there

and i had no clue what it meant so i just asked

[pulsar drum]

https://seidenbergnews.blogs.pace.edu/2019/10/28/ba-versus-bs-in-computer-science-which-should-you-choose/

Basically it's less CS courses and you're required to minor in something

The name isn't clear but I suppose it sort of makes sense after reading that

It may be different depending on the university. You should really ask your university about the difference as they would know best.

[jagged heart]

ok thanks man for the help

[summer roost]

for my university BS CS and BA CS were exactly the same except BS had hard science requirements (Physics, Biology, Chemistry, etc) and BA allowed you to use any classes at all for those credits.

[idle tangle]

Heyo, I live in a country where the currency is currently very devalued. As such getting paid even $10 would be a massive improvement, does anyone know how to find remote work opportunities to work for countries other than your own?

[craggy wave]

Hello, @jaunty cradle. We don't allow for recruitment in our community. We do link to some job boards in the topic of this channel.

[craggy wave]

!mute 769972450611167313 1d I've just informed you on our recruitment policy, but you repeated your message directly beneath the message asking you not to do it.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @restive nymph until 2020-12-15 21:06 (23 hours and 59 minutes).

[gray mortar]

I think for some universities, BA/BS hold no difference

For Boston University, CS, Chem, physics, and bio, are all under BA degree and only the Engineering degree are under BS

[fallen dew]

Yeah the ‘bachelor’s’ and the major are the only important things

No one cares if it’s a BA, BS, whatever

[neat ingot]

I tried getting jobs on upwork.com. maybe try that if you dont mind submitting many proposals into the void.

[idle tangle]

Thanks, I tried that during August. Could polish it up and try again, I have some good experience now

Have you had any luck there?

[haughty anvil]

Ty

[dull rampart]

is transferring for CS major worth it

[pulsar drum]

Worth it compared to what?

[dull rampart]

higher oos tuition in exchange with hypothetical better programs

[pulsar drum]

You mean transfer as in transferring after 2 years to complete the degree at a uni?

[dull rampart]

yeahh

[pulsar drum]

It highly depends on what school you'll be at before, but typically you can get general education requirements mostly out of the way and save money.

[dull rampart]

👀

great idea

[pulsar drum]

Just keep in mind some schools still want you to take some general ed courses at their campus

But it's a small portion of all the gen ed courses required in total

You can also do your perquisite courses like mathematics and other hard sciences before transferring

[dull rampart]

😄 thx for the advice

[pulsar drum]

No problem. I did a transfer and didn't regret it

[dull rampart]

😃 i'm lookin forward already lol

oof i couldn't find the old quest and ans channel anymore

still returns a none

🥲

[fallen dew]

Definitely community college first, then transfer. One of my biggest regrets. Still unburying myself from 4 years of student loans to attend a university

Find one that’ll accept all your credits

[magic crescent]

I saw this random dude YouTube video saying learning the MERN stack is bad for beginners because it’s harder to get those jobs. Do you guys believe this is true? Also I realize this is not 100% Python related

[stark sigil]

Looking for a couple people proficient in html,css,js,django,mysql to work on a project with. Looking a launching a web app, have general setup already, but looking for people to help code/brainstorm with. Send a DM if interested, must be 18+

[untold steppe]

Is AI a Good Career option?

[onyx steeple]

looking at how AI is getting deployed in every possible field there is, I'd say yes its a great option

[sick mist]

well, I think it also mostly depends on what you call "a good career", not everyone looks for the same things in their career. What are you looking for?

[wide kettle]

If I'm looking for a career where I don't actually work 9-5 paper work, and I can have decent amount of time to spend with my family, is AI a good career option?

[sick mist]

AI is a vast field, and has lots of different applications, but most of the time it will be similar to the kind of work software developers do, meaning office hours, flexible work, etc. But you may want to check for the region you live in of course.

quality of life improves with seniority, as for software developers and most knowledge worker jobs

[onyx steeple]

Is it possible to get into defense tech or space industries with a good coding and AI background and Math knowledge? Or does one need to be a phyics/ engineering degree holder to get into either of these fields?

[sick mist]

I'd say that, like in any industry, they need different kind of profile for different jobs. You have accountants, cooks, carpenters, etc. in all industries. If you want to write software for defense/space, I think you should get familiar with their needs first (granted, most likely physics/engineering)

so engineering major + good software dev experience will most likely land you a spot there (compared to pure CS), but the best indicator is looking at the requirements on job postings from companies in that field, then at least you know exactly what they are looking for

[onyx steeple]

hmmm so being an engineer is a must. The problem is, in India, most jobs still require an engineering or science degree for the jobs involving coding/ML etc. Now I cant change my background but I have built a knowledgeable base in Python, Linear Algebra and Calculus and I'm planning to learn more maths and some physics after my exams and wanted to know how is it like for people like me in other countries. Was hoping to find someone with a similar problem here lol.

[sick mist]

were you looking to join space/defense industry in India or somewhere else?

again, I would suggest to look at the preferred curriculum from published job offers at companies in the industry you are looking forward to join, for some specific position, having a math background could be a plus, for some others it might be better to be an engineer

[onyx steeple]

Nah actually I wanna move out to either Europe or Canada/US for an Ms and then try my luck back in India. If I find better opportunities there, I'll stay for sure

I wanted to be in the military back here but I have one lazy eye so Id fail the medicals even though I dont really have no problem seeing. So now I thought my best option for a career in that field would be to excel at coding and ML/AI programming so I could get into either defense tech or Intelligence stuff, you get me?

[sick mist]

yup, makes sense 🙂

[onyx steeple]

Yeah thats good advice thanks

[sick mist]

my pleasure, remember that organizations/companies don't work as a big bulk, there are many different roles for many different people, with many different respective backgrounds 🙂 good luck with your search, and I hope you succeed!

[vapid jay]

man.. this is hard to hear

[lime garden]

is it better to have a b.tech or bSc in computer science

[vapid jay]

can you wait, I'm answering a question

[lime garden]

go on man

[vapid jay]

Try Turing, else you need to look at relocating to another country, countries where IT, SWE talent is scarce. Ukraine for example has a bunch of companies that recruit for development freelancer jobs, the ukrainian companies themselves are contracted by international companies.

PowerToFly for remote roles. Reach out to HR companies abroad (in countries of your choice) like Hays, Robert Walters, Michael Page, etc.

[vapid jay]

depends on the university awarding it

[vapid jay]

hi, im currently in my sophmore year in highschool and i've been thinking abt what i want to do, for a career in the future. I'm interested in computers and coding but i'm not 100% sureif i really want to do coding. The main reason being that i dont really know what i can do with it, i want to pursue a cs degree but I want to be sure. Any Advice?

[sick mist]

well, you can try internships, if your school offers that

people get attracted to programming usually because they like solving puzzles and problems, so you may ask yourself if that's something that attracts you as well?

[craggy wave]

If you've already done a bit of programming, you could also try doing a few projects. They could be really minor and simple, it doesn't really matter, but it will give you a taste of developing applications.

It also automatically gives you a portfolio if you use something like GitHub to host your projects.

A good way to know if you'll like something is by doing it.

[vapid jay]

i do like puzzles and solving problems, thank you for the advice.

[vapid jay]

i'm currently debating on learning it, any suggestions on what projects i should try?

[sick mist]

there's a list of beginner projects pinned in the #python-discussion channel I think

[vapid jay]

Great! i'll check them out. Thanks for responding

[sick mist]

you're welcome!

[vast shoal]

!projects @vapid jay

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

oh thanks man

[dull abyss]

Hey all. I'm unsure if this is suitable for this channel but seemed like a close fit. If it's not right, please direct me to the correct channel that might be suitable to post to if any.

During my hunt for new jobs i have been seeing this company keep popping up. I have seen them before and looked at using them, but honestly not certain on truly how good they might. I was wondering if there may be anyone here who has used them before and is familiar with what they are like, if they are worthwhile and do what they claim to do
https://www.thetrainingroom.com/courses/it-and-development
Thanks

[golden tundra]

Usually, they’ll ask you questions about data structures in the interview

Either to solve a problem or just “explain x about data structures”

[barren mirage]

I just got fired from a delivery job, and I was wondering if others could help me remain optimistic and help me psychologically. My parents suggest things like working at a fast food restaurant, but even employed they still said the same things, and specifically I don't know that the fast food industry has the most openings. I appealed the deactivation of my account, but I'm not sure I'll get the old career back. I have a website, it's down rn, and was going to use Upwork but my website is like a nice portfolio. I really would like some psychological help because I stress out a lot about it.

One of the things I'm doing right now is culturing bacteria to create Live Attenuated Virus and idk what I'm doing. Everything is down rn too and I just lost the job so I can't pay it off.

[earnest condor]

[vast shoal]

@radiant swallow We do not allow recruitment on this server, see the channel topic.

[opaque marsh]

hmm so im 13 right now and tbh i feel like jobs in the programming field are the only ones suitable for me when im older and so im wondering if anyone could help me with like what subjects i should take later on in higher classes and in college and stuff and most of the general job opurtinities that coders usually have. for context i live in india

[modest scarab]

You're still really young. Knowing basic math will help you a lot so pay attention in class

[opaque marsh]

LMFAO

that was a good one

[modest scarab]

hey its true, I wish I payed attention in math class

[opaque marsh]

but yeah i mean i overthink a lot about the future

sometimes i dont get sleep at night and just lay there thinking what im gonna do in the future

[opaque marsh]

yes i used to underestimate school academics when i was younger but now i know its quite important

[modest scarab]

thats ok. No one really knows what they want to do in life. As an engineer myself, I would say focus on something which gives you enough money to do the things you want to do and look after your loved ones. But also something you have at least some of an interest in

It does not have to be programming but if thats it, go for it. But there are plenty of programmers who regret doing it

[opaque marsh]

ooh

[modest scarab]

i can say you should defo avoid anything where you don't make enough money. Even if you love it, being poor is not fun.

[opaque marsh]

i absolutely agree with that one

[modest scarab]

The allure of a starving artist living in Paris is not real. its not fun, and it will make you depressed

So yeah, I'd say math, sciences, and a humanity subject

The AI field is full of humanities, philosophy. If you don't have a decent understanding of it, you will struggle

[opaque marsh]

tbh i don't really like the concept of ai

i really like reading books and writing stuff myself so i would say english would be good for me

[modest scarab]

yeah for sure. don't leave out the study of humanities, it will make you a more full human

you will learn so much about your fellow man

Also be wary of people who distract you from your goals. Friends and gfs/bfs are temporary. Focus on your own goals and what you want to achieve for your loved ones

[opaque marsh]

thanks a lot for the advice man, it means a lot

have a good day sir

[modest scarab]

U 2. Wish I was like you at your age. I did not have discord but just forums haha. best of luck friend

[vast shoal]

@opaque marsh It's never too early to start studying programming. If you find that you don't like it, you don't have to continue, but if you do enjoy it, and you interact with the programming community online, you will naturally encounter a lot of the subjects you need to know to practice it professionally. I was younger than you when I started and it turned into a life-long passion for me (I'm 32 now).

[sleek lodge]

Guys i want to know.. what should i learn with or after learning python to get a good job

[vernal turret]

You should, learn where you live

[sleek lodge]

What does that mean..🥴

[vernal turret]

Jobs are location specific, in usa w e ends the requirements are different

Uk another realm

[sleek lodge]

I just need few examples like what can i be.. i do thave a goal like what i wantto be..

I joind python course today

[vernal turret]

Good

Learning python is not a bad thing, even if it is not job reqdy sts

You are learning to program with concepts, no hard sintax, imagine c or even java, after you learn how to program with python you can transition elsewhere easily, because you will realise that its all the same just different words.

You must gave a goal tho

Python is a tool, it should never be your goal

[vast shoal]

@sleek lodge There are too many different subjects to list that are required of a professional developer. However, a good way to get exposure to the kinds of things you need to know is to get involved in contributing to open source projects.

Open source contributions have a lot in common with the workflow of a commercial software project.

You need to use collaboration tools and platforms, read and write documentation, review code and get your own code reviewed, get your code past different types of quality gates in order to get it accepted.

[sleek lodge]

Imm confused

[vernal turret]

@sleek lodge aren't we all

@sleek lodge you need a goal, and python is a tool to help you towards it

[vast shoal]

You don't need any qualifications to get started making open source contributions, but it could be a good credential when you apply for a real job.

[vernal turret]

You can use c# c c++ JavaScript, endgame is what you pick

[sleek lodge]

Ok

[sleek lodge]

Yeah..

[vernal turret]

But qualifications do get you higher in the pile

[sleek lodge]

The thing is.. i dont know what to do after learning python

[vernal turret]

That is a big problem

You should know or find it while you learn

[vast shoal]

@sleek lodge This server has some open source projects that you can get involved in contributing to. We make use of many of the same principles as other open source projects, so once you learn the ropes here, it will probably be easier to get started contributing to other projects as well.

[sleek lodge]

Ol

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[vernal turret]

Yes experiment, the "I don't know what i want " comes from you not going deep enough, stop picking and decide already, on one language then go deep

Python can be it but it is your choice

[vast shoal]

You can start by working on your own projects.

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vast shoal]

Here are some ideas ^

After that, like I said, get involved contributing to other open source projects.

You will learn a lot that way.

[sleek lodge]

Ohkk...

[vernal turret]

And ask questions

Lots of questions

[sleek lodge]

Yeah...

[vernal turret]

And its ok to get errors

Don't get discouraged

[sleek lodge]

Yea..

[coral thistle]

Hi everybody

I am new here on this server (and discord also lol) and currently learning python

[lunar spruce]

[idle slate]

hi hello

does anyone here have experience transitioning from sysadmin to development?

[obsidian acorn]

Hey @idle slate that is awesome change that you want to make. A lot of people in my field do

particularly since a bit of admin knowledge is required.

I personally was not sysadmin, but those knowledge, (keep in mind it is not my primary duty), is very useful

what languages do you know/work with thus far?

[hoary ledge]

Can anyone help me become a mod?

pls

Please

[vast shoal]

@hoary ledge If you have questions about the community itself, please ask in #community-meta. This channel is for career discussions.

[idle slate]

Hi @obsidian acorn I don't know any language at this point, but want to take a high intensity programming course

and am contemplating going into it full time leaving sysadmin behind to get good as quickly as possible

I'm just contemplating whether it is worth staying in the field and learning programming part-time, which I do not want to do, reasoning that my learning progress might be too slow

what field are you in?

[idle slate]

makes sense, I'm just a crossroads right now so to speak. have an option to start a sysadmin job, and do what you describe or take some high intensity training with high chance of landing a job after that

I've been in the field for some time my main concern is that if I go sysadmin on a busy job, I may not progress much in coding over the next 2 years

by which time if could possibly progress from junior to intermediate programmer

while the sysadmin position is pretty simple, I probably know most of the stuff for the job and will likely not learn anything new

I've been doing sysadmin for little while now, so also just sort of tired of it too

i kind of doubt there will be that option there, the it team is small, it's an industrial business, they don't do any development in-house

main reason I'm still thinking about it is reasonable pay and a "senior" title

thanks wumpus, I'll figure it out

do you work in the field now @vapid jay ?

what do you do exactly?

[tardy egret]

PID, fun

[idle slate]

sounds interesting, do you have a bachelor's in the field?

I'm also trying to figure out which programming I should be looking into

and web seems to be like the most accessible

I do understand the main idea is to just get in

neat

was this bootcamp specifically automation? and are you considered to be a software engineer by title?

nice

thanks a lot for the input man

food for thought for me

[kind finch]

Hey fellow developers I am a Python Developer working in India with 3 years of experience in Django, Machine learning and automation. I am looking for some opportunities, place wouldn't matter if there is a provision of visa/work permit. Even side gigs/freelancing gigs would help as I need some money apart from what I earn. Can you help me on how to proceed? Or if you can refer me to someone/somewhere that would be great. Thank you very much.

I tried there. But I never got any interview or response. Seems like they want people with freelancing experience, while I only have one which I got from reddit.

That is true. I myself would do that but it sucks when I am on the other end. But do you have any tips on how to become that rockstar from a nobody. I seem lost

[midnight skiff]

Guys I need some help, due to some financial issue for me, I am focusing on post-graduate diploma in international marketing (digital). Do you think it will help me in my carrier?

[kind finch]

Thank you

[tidal wave]

Is df[df'column] individual line notation?

[kind finch]

Yup thanks will do that.

Hopefully that works haha. Appreciate your help

[sterile vault]

I think Upwork has very anal TOS, so you may get banned if you show your personal contacts, including github profile.

[wild sluice]

Upwork is really easy to get jobs on. Will be shitty cheap paying jobs but they are easy to get

[white karma]

How cheap is cheap? @wild sluice

[wild sluice]

few hundred bucks @white karma

[white karma]

Like, per project or? @wild sluice

[kind finch]

Like what kind of jobs should I target

[elfin jacinth]

Can we do freelancing in weekends , when you already work full-time for reputed company ?

[sick mist]

It depends whether your day job is also in the same alley as your freelancing activity. Competing with your employer often a good way to be fired. Also, many countries have labor laws that prevent people from working more than X hours per week, so you may want to check your work contract in details and local regulations.

[elfin jacinth]

@sick mist haha , I am just a student, but just wondered that is it legal or not ! Thanks for your time !

[mellow crest]

should i learn Lua

[maiden niche]

yes

[craggy wave]

Depends. I use a bit of Lua for Redis, as it's the language that was picked as Redis's scripting language.

Otherwise, I don't use it a lot. I guess the question is: Do you have use for it?

There are a lot of languages you could learn; try learning those that you want to learn, have use for, or could be very interesting to your career.

You can't learn them all.

[south merlin]

My cousin uses Lua for scripting in roblox studio

[waxen edge]

Lua is widely used in Robotics simulations as well. I used it for my research work during an internship.

[shadow moss]

It’s a niche language for sure

[near ocean]

Never had to use it except for making some weakauras for wow, would rather just use python or js instead tbh

[vapid jay]

I'm an 11-year-old designing AI/ML Neural Networks using Deep Learning.

[tardy egret]

I used it for scripting a robot at my last job

[vapid jay]

@tardy egret Could you share your project?

[tardy egret]

Can't, it was for an employer, sorry.

Plus it was Lua embedded in Android, so kinda far from Python 🙂

[distant urchin]

to those who have linkedin that have a profile set to public with custom url, how do you make sure that that url doesn't require authentication to view your profile?

[jolly furnace]

cant remember if linkedin needs u to log in to view stuff?

[distant urchin]

if it is private then those who wants to see your profile needs to sign in but if public then it should be visible even to those who doesn't have an account to them which is not working to me even though I set my profile to public

[jolly furnace]

huh

[distant urchin]

i mean my profile is set to public but yet to anyone who wants to view is still need to have an account (sign in) to view it

[sterile vault]

How do you stand out from other guys competing for scripting upwork tasks?
I'm thinking about how can I showcase my work to people who most likely wouldn't read the code.
https://www.upwork.com/o/profiles/users/~01bc85d558e99b942c/?s=1110580764771602432&p=1339658336343678976
Today I whipped up a small GUI-based program that can process stuff. It's not much better than CLI, and the actual functionality is not actually finished (it just copies the data from csv/excel and saves to another csv/excel file), but I'd have to re-do the logic for specific project anyway.

[vapid jay]

1GHCiCUyo3GdzM5nt6qsvvcF8uo5W8M2pk

[zealous marlin]

Guys, what are the absolute fundamentals/prerequisites that a python developer need, in order for them to land an entry level job?
I'm not sure which career path I want to take (i.e. data scientist, product manager)... but I'm sure there are some fundamentals that can apply to all things python...right?

[oblique mist]

Any tips on finding a mentor? What would convince you to be somebodies mentor?

[pulsar drum]

You may have luck asking on reddit. I know of r/learnprogramming. I've seen people post offers to mentor others, but not sure if the mods allow asking to be mentored.

I would want to mentor someone that shows motivation and patience.

I don't imagine people are particularly picky about it. Those who would want to mentor probably have more trouble making the time commitment if anything.

[oblique mist]

Thanks Mark. I would claim to have motivation and patience, but I when I check myself I have not yet proven to myself that I have these qualities in programming. I will work toward proving to myself that I have motivation and patience in programming, and then I will go to reddit and ask for a mentor.

I have had an internal debate with myself for a few weeks now about the merits of trying to learn on my own versus signing up for a bootcamp, or paying for university and I recognized that perhaps what is most important for my development is a mentor. I'm glad I have settled this debate for now. All the best and thank you. I can now go back to focusing on studying on my own.

[golden tundra]

I’ve been thinking about trying to join a mentorship program as a mentor
In my mind, what would draw me to someone to potentially mentor them is 1: their attitude and 2: can I help offset disadvantages they’ve encountered by mentoring them?

Attitude wise, someone who’s humble and takes criticism well

[pulsar drum]

You seem to have a good attitude and discipline! Good luck to you.

[round compass]

Hello Folks - I am building a SAAS platform and in need of Coding and Platform Development support. People with gaming coding background, software engineering background and website development background would be awesome.

For the prototype, we are going to need atleast 3-5 Engineers and 2-3 Full Stack developers. Please connect with me so I can share with you more details about the project.

Thanks forr your consideration.

[golden tundra]

And to clarify point 2: I’ve noticed a lot of success has to do with networking and such, which of course favors people who have families that can tap into those networks or who already know how to behave to help get access to/build their networks

So recent immigrants/their families, POC, women and non-binary people, people coming from poverty - anyone who’s historically been out of the in group, really - those are the people who I would prefer to mentor

To put them on a more level playing field

[oblique mist]

That's pretty cool Rebel. I think that sounds pretty rewarding. It appears you have a well suited username.

[pulsar drum]

As far as language concepts go: variables, functions, classes, common data structures like lists and dictionaries, how to import modules/libraries, working with files (read/write). I probably missed some things but hopefully it gives you an idea.

[golden tundra]

At a quick glance, I would add scoping to that list

And inheritance and recursion

Since Python can be used imperatively, class stuff is technically not required, but able to tap into object oriented programming concepts will make you a better dev

[pulsar drum]

I used it cause it's a broad term. It also encapsulates understanding how to use objects, create them, and access their attributes.

[golden tundra]

Oh, sorry, I should clarify - I was referring to my own inclusion of inheritance with my addendum, not your message. I actually missed that you put classes in your list or I wouldn’t have put inheritance

[pulsar drum]

No worries. I would agree inheritance is important to know.

[small grotto]

anybody regret becoming a SWE? lol.

[wispy cape]

statistically, yes, some do

[fallen dew]

What’s SWE?

[mortal hazel]

SoftWare Engineer

[fallen dew]

Ahh ok

[stable storm]

Probably wise for me to not go into software engineering then? :p

[summer roost]

plenty of people don't regret it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen dew]

People can have regrets in any career. If you like it, go for it imo

[unreal lantern]

Hello i need help. I got my first freelance gig.

Client asked me is it negotiable (my rates)

i'm not sure how to respond to this

[shadow moss]

anything is negotiable technically but if you already set a rate, I wouldn't

[unreal lantern]

Alright thanks

how would you say no

[hasty harness]

Guys I have a basic knowledge on Python ,java, mysql mongo, django , FLask. I am working in an MNC but the job isnt technical. I am going to start preparation for inteviews. What sorts of proejects should i kept under my resume/github? I have NoNE

[sour fable]

i put for mine neopets

[sick mist]

There are many voices about how to handle these situations. Simplest is "I'm really sorry but the rates I communicated to you previously are my best rates for this type of work"
You may want to check if your rates are not too high for a first gig, but on the other hand, when you start lowering your rates, then you tend to do it all the time.
My favorite approach is "no they are not, but since you are a new customer of mine, I set up for you a 10% discount, for this mission alone"

[vapid jay]

hey you guys

how do I email someone for a professional coffee

they said email them so their assistant can schedule, I'm not sure how to talk to them

what do I put in the subject line

[craggy wave]

I'd just be honest and open about the subject; that's what I'd like to receive

But I'm Dutch, so I may be a bit too direct

It does sound like they're expecting an email about that specific subject

[distant urchin]

if a company posted a job with location as for example, seattle / remote. Does it mean that they are looking only for someone living in seattle but willing to work as remote or by means of remote anywhere in the world?

[tardy egret]

Usually means "we're in Seattle, but you can be remote".

[white karma]

You can always ask them anonymously

[left spruce]

Anyone in IT or know an IT discord community? I am trying to find someone to critique my resume

[still condor]

Has someone used Pramp? Is it worth trying?

[distant urchin]

what does Staff Software Engineer do?

[tardy egret]

Depends on the company, but usually software engineer stuff. "Staff" means they're at a very high level within the organization. People are impressed when your title starts with "staff".

[summer roost]

That's not how I've heard it used. I've heard it as an indication that you would be working as a permanent staff member of the company, as opposed to in a temporary or consulting or contracting capacity.

It may indicate a more senior role as well, but I wouldn't count on that. The job description should be much clearer on whether that's true or not than the title would.

[distant urchin]

i think both of you are correct what is clear now is that it is not really an entry job

[summer roost]

At least in the US, job titles for software engineers are completely unstandardized, and two companies may use the same title to refer to entirely different jobs, or vice versa. The job description tells you much more than the title does.

[tardy egret]

Some companies, especially ones working in regulated or gov't-related industries, use a set of standard job titles, Software Engineer I-IV (I think it only goes to IV). I've never understood them.

[burnt tiger]

The main definition of "Staff Software Engineer" that I've seen throughout positions in the industry is essentially one level above "Senior Software Engineer". Then it will frequently proceed to "Senior Staff Engineer", "Principal Software Engineer", and the rest completely varies. But @summer roost is definitely correct about it being rather inconsistent across different companies.

[fallen dew]

Yeah, in the US “staff” generally refers to an entry-level or lower level. At least in any job I’ve heard of. I guess other countries might be different

[lyric walrus]

Hey guys I’m a freshman in college and I made a 3x3 sliding puzzle solver using A* search. Do u think the project is good enough to put on my resume?

[summer roost]

I think you should put it if it's something that you're proud of, and would like to talk about in an interview. And that you should take it off if that ever stops being the case.

your threshold for that will change over your career, but if right now it's something that you think showcases you, shows the best side of you, and is something you'd like to talk about during an interview, by all means go for it.

a resume is basically for two things: advertising yourself, to explain why someone should want to hire you, and anchoring the conversation, so that the things on your resume make good conversation starts and make things flow more smoothly in an interview.

the only things that it's ever a bad idea to put on a resume are things that are lies or exaggerations (because when they come up in an interview, as you've hinted that you'd like them to by putting them on your resume, it will be immediately obvious that you're a big fat liar), or things that embarrass you or paint you in the wrong light.

[mortal wedge]

Not in software engineering, engineering, science... probably other fields but I'm mostly familiar with those fields. I have no idea where you're getting this information

[summer roost]

the fact that several professionals have very different ideas what it means is a good indication that it's so context dependent as to be meaningless, heh

[fallen dew]

Oh ok sorry, I don’t know too much about the designations in software. It’s the opposite in accounting/business type jobs rofl

I figured they’d be standard terms across professional careers but I guess not

My bad

[summer roost]

I get the impression that in some countries it's standardized, as a result of country-specific licensing or accreditation practices

but, at least in the US, it's a free for all where the titles mean nothing, heh

[fallen dew]

Yeah for sure, it does seem kind of like a free for all with naming titles lol

But a lot of gov jobs as pointed out above will just use something basic like 1, 2, 3, 4 at the end of their title

I used to work as a tax auditor for the state of Florida and it was just like auditor I, auditor II, auditor III etc essentially just based on seniority

[hushed robin]

Hi! I'm really interested in being a UX/UI Designer. I was wondering if anyone could explain a day of the life of one or could give me resources to look more in depth on the position

[tall igloo]

https://brainstation.io/career-guides/how-to-become-a-ux-designer

Solid articles I find

[outer junco]

You guys have any ideas for how to make a passive income with python?

[jovial cargo]

have a product?

[jovial cargo]

your product can be anything tho

[outer junco]

I mean nr but I have a 3d printer so I could use that to make stuff ig

[tall igloo]

I found a company that needed lead generation. I take a list of companies on crunch base that meet the requirements. Go to Fiverr to get someone validate the emails. Then email the template email provided by that company to cold out reach. My script is simple. Take the csv of names, email, company name, and email them with attachment. Total time spent per week less than half an hour. Each sign up is $1000.

A lot of times you just need to automate what others have to do for a long time and arbitrage

15 dollars for verified 100 emails.

[outer junco]

How did you find this company?

@tall igloo pinging just so you can see this ^

[tall igloo]

Funnily, indeed.

[outer junco]

Did they like reach out to you or something?

[tall igloo]

No I did.

Passive income takes work to build first

Including finding the opportunity

[outer junco]

Yeah lol but its better in the long run

[tall igloo]

I honestly don’t like the word passive income because it’s a bit misleading

[outer junco]

So like when you reached out to them did you reach out to a bunch of companies asking if they needed services or did you know this company or something

[tall igloo]

No the posting was clear. They have commission opportunities. Remote. Finding the right companies, etc. Talked to them, confirmed what I think it could be, then there you go.

Maybe you can also find something on upwork or fiverr

[outer junco]

Okay cool

Thank you so much

[tall igloo]

👍

[uncut trench]

Hey i have compltd my btech in Computer science and now thinking to pursue Applied AI . can any suggest is this good for job as i m newbie to python

[neat grove]

@hollow juniper We don't allow recruitment here and this has nothing to do with the server

[sterile vault]

Dumb question. You're creating a program for someone else. What is the license that you should use?

[vapid jay]

eh

[sterile vault]

I'm generally using MIT for personal projects, but I have zero idea about legal implication of selling MIT-licensed work.

[vapid jay]

is leetcode enough for cracking the interviews?

[supple fossil]

currently writting my resume

i have a job currently where i built a web app

should i just separate each bullet point and speak about the features

or should i just keep one bullet point stating that i built the web app then list the features in the same bullet point

I'm confused, becaus previously at other jobs id only written scripts to handle specific tasks, so on my resume that's what i'd written. But now that i built a full application that has many features

not sure how to reconcile that

[sterile vault]

For non-programming CVs people often have "Work experience" where you list you previous jobs, and "Projects" where people talk about the projects you've done

[supple fossil]

its a programming cv

i work as a dev

it's my first tech job

but my company is not very tech smart

and you didn't answer the question really

[supple fossil]

here

[cedar raptor]

It doesn't really matter - choose whichever fits the format and tone of your resume best. I think employers like details but if you get too far in the woods, you lose attention spans. So it's more about striking that balance, imo.

[cobalt lark]

Hello @frozen yoke, we do not allow linkedin advertisements here.

[marsh wind]

I think the rule of thumb is to keep it under 3 bullet points per project/job/app

and each bullet point no longer then 2 lines of text assuming they span over full page

or 3/4 of page width

that's a very general guideline but it helps with keeping recrutiter/employer attention

while giving enough details

also i'd highlight in bold some key parts of your bullet pojnts

i.e. of techs you used that will be relevant for the job you applyfor

hope this hekps

[supple fossil]

well

@marsh wind the problem is that at my current job i basically only worked on this app

but i did everything

[marsh wind]

what's everything? like front/back/DB?

[supple fossil]

i basically did back/db/devops

[marsh wind]

then try to list those. I.e. 1st bullet point is "Created and managed a main DB in postgres (mongo, mysql...) blah blah"
"Implement a set of APIs using Flask (node, django...) used by the app web front end and mobile app to communicate with DB,e tc blah blah"
"Created an efficient CI/CD pipeline using bitbucket cloud, Jenkins and on premise reposiotry of docker images with test suite"

try to separate that logically

and create concise bullet points

if you have time, ideally you tweak and tailor those points to each position you apply for

[supple fossil]

i was going to start talking about the features

[marsh wind]

yeah you can, totally

I'm just giving an example

[supple fossil]

like built a clock in and out system which helped track of employee times and reduced scheduling errors by x%

or like utilized xyz technology to implement feature Y which helped reduce X metric by z%

[marsh wind]

yeah if you are able to quantify those, it's awesome

you can then put it first as 2 lines that highlight the core functionality and what you achieved

and follow with bullet points that show tech you used

[supple fossil]

gotcha

[marsh wind]

it also depends on your experinece and level you apply for

I think for more senior positions they care more about business value you brought while for more junior positions they really want to see strong tech basis and everything else is a bonus

ofc I let anyone with more experinece to correct me, but that's how I understand and see it now

[supple fossil]

i see im more junior for sure

this was my first full time tech job

[marsh wind]

ok. then Ideally I were you, I'd speak in CV about the app and business value you brought but keep it more focused on tech

[supple fossil]

so like this @marsh wind

[marsh wind]

don't forget there is a lot of trial end error here

i.e. every country, state or even city can be particular

so when you start the job search, phone calls, interviews try to note question that come up more often\

[supple fossil]

I see

thank you

[neat ingot]

@supple fossil
Interviewing is a skill. More interviews means more practice, means better offers. Spam your cv.

[vapid jay]

hey!

[crude breach]

Hello what is this cringe

[supple fossil]

should i be scared that they are asking for more experience

or is it just inflated

i have been working as a developer for a year only, and i just happened to land it by luck

never actually passed a tech interview

[true turtle]

it's probably a bit inflated. I've heard the requirements are more of a wish list rather than strict requirements

[true turtle]

experience is experience

it'll help you

[supple fossil]

so with 1 years actual experience

i could prob apply for position asking for 3

[true turtle]

No harm in trying, really

[supple fossil]

and if i can say that i know at least 1/3 of the tech stack i should be ok

[true turtle]

then again, I'm just a kid who is saying stuff based on what I have heard

[supple fossil]

well thank you

for honesty

[true turtle]

🤷‍♂️ 👍

[supple fossil]

so what do i do if this project repo is private

[wise lynx]

Got a serious question. I'm 23 right now, work in Law Enforcement, I have a background in programming (Java, C#, and Obj-C) from High School. I've been trying to look into leaving LE and getting my CS bachelor's.

So, I've seen a lot of people recommend software developer internships to get work experience, but obviously with my job there is no way I could hold basically a second job.

I've read people say online that pretty much I'm screwed at my age and since I'm working while going to school, I won't have the opportunity that kids fresh out of high school have, as well as starting late. Put simply, how screwed am I? Is there any point of even trying to go down this career path?

More so looking for as blunt and straight of an answer as I can get. Thanks in advance.

[pulsar drum]

I can't speak from experience but I've seen success stories of people in their 30s and older switching careers to CS. Of course everyone's circumstances differ but if they can do it then surely you're not screwed either.

You (will) have the advantage of actually having a CS degree rather than something unrelated.

[lost dragon]

You got this shit bro. Plenty of grads in my program at OSU are older than 30 and have secured SWE positions. Just put in the work and you'll be fine. If you like it. Do it

[wise lynx]

Thanks, man. Does having no experience in it hurt me badly at all? I mean, I got a lot of life experience and skills from LE that I think employers would like to see. Also, Buckeyes?

[lost dragon]

Just start working on side projects right now to gain experience. Learn through free courses online first to get a feel for it. and no, I'm in Oregon State's Post Bacc program. its for people who already have a bachelors. but there was recent grad who is like 40 who got a SE gig.

I've only taken three classes here and I have an internship at BMW for the summer. It'll be difficult, but just grind and put the time in and you'll see results. Look for internships during your degree and you'll be good

the program is completely online. highly recommend if you have a BS already

btw Im 24. so you have nothing to worry about. There is a high demand for CS majors so age doesn't matter that much. You might have trouble getting into certain companies, but if they think 23 is old then fuck them.

[wise lynx]

Ah, I gotcha, man. Dunno about doing any kind of internship since I plan on still holding my LE job while in college/till I get a job in that field. Side projects though hosted on git definitely though. Thanks so much for the advice, bro.

[lost dragon]

I'd definitely try to do at least one internship during a summer. It'll help a lot on your job search after you graduate. Good luck though man.

[onyx steeple]

HI so Im trying to build a CV for myself to take to a postgrad education fair. I don't wanna exaggerate but at the same time I wanna make sure I'm detailing everything I like to work on and have an idea about. So I know Python and dont have a great grasp on machine learning and neural networks but still wanna show that I'm an enthusiast and wanna take it up further. Can anyone give me an idea on how I can express that onmy resume?

[vapid jay]

someone online?

[onyx steeple]

yeah

[golden trail]

Should i add which library I did use for the project in " tool used"?

[jovial needle]

!rank

[inner wren]

Iterating over range(len(...)) is a common approach to accessing each item in an ordered collection.

for i in range(len(my_list)):
    do_something(my_list[i])

The pythonic syntax is much simpler, and is guaranteed to produce elements in the same order:

for item in my_list:
    do_something(item)

Python has other solutions for cases when the index itself might be needed. To get the element at the same index from two or more lists, use zip. To get both the index and the element at that index, use enumerate.

[jovial needle]

eval()

zip

enumerate

[charred venture]

heyyo,can i ask u guys some question about career.
yesterday i found this video at utube and turns out i want to dive into data scientist,and here is the thing.i want to ask your opinion abt this kind of video in utube,does this video really a good mehtod to dive into data scientist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4YcqULY1-Q&t=1426s

would love to hear an advice for those who expert in data science

🙂

[ocean ledge]

do you have a math background? if you don't, do you think it's possible for you to learn one? do you know how to program in python? do you have any domain-specific experience if you lack the above? check those off, else ds is not gonna be friendly

[little cobalt]

Anyone know any internships that require html/css skills? I'm specifically looking for one in the spring

[magic crescent]

is this ok for a resumer?

I realize the typos on the last point

[ocean ledge]

that would raise some red flags for me-- its way too specific for a resume, and makes me think that you just put down what you did from a tutorial you just read

[twilit grotto]

Can anyone suggest me YouTube playlist to learn python I know the theory but facing problem in solving problems

If anyone knows then please ping me

[vapid jay]

I know an excellent one but it's for Portuguese speakers only

[magic crescent]

Thanks for the feedback

[summer roost]

For me, at least, the two things there that are red flags would be:

1. "utilizing Django's AbstractBaseUserModel". Resumes generally don't talk about specific solutions at all; they're at a higher level than which classes you chose to use to implement the solution. It's like the difference between "I built a wooden bird house" versus "I built a wooden bird house using a hammer and nails" - the latter sounds really odd, and either invites the question "why would you do it that way?" or "why would you do it any other way?", so it's best to not say it at all.
2. "allowing users to fill out and edit forms" sounds a bit trivial. It would be better to explain what they were able to do in more general terms, rather than in such concrete terms... unless perhaps this is referring to "forms" in the sense not of HTML forms, but of government forms that you need to submit to an agency? In that case it just needs rewording to make that clearer, even adding some details like "to fill out printable PDF forms" or something like that would help tremendously.
   @magic crescent ^

[magic crescent]

thank you, I've been working to replace it with more general terms. The website is fairly simple that is why I've been having trouble with it. Basically you can sign up using your email (it doesn't verify it's real) and then you can submit a form which in the future will be connected to my friend's business so he can review the submissions and approve/disapprove them

I still need to get the data from the db to an excel file or something like that

I appreciate the feedback on the resume @summer roost

[summer roost]

It's probably best to just be honest about how limited the site is, then. "Designed a sign-up page for a new business's first website", or something like that.

your goal with a resume is to paint yourself in the best possible light, but you don't want to exaggerate too much - that'll just result in you getting interviews that you're way underqualified for.

[magic crescent]

I didn't realize it was misleading but you are right that it could seem that way. Will rewrite and be more clear on what is done and working and what is a WIP

[summer roost]

I wouldn't talk about what's "not working", exactly - just be clear about what the intended scope of what you've done so far.

otherwise you'll wind up in an interview answering questions about how many concurrent users you have, and you'll be floundering with an answer like "well, we don't really have users yet, exactly, because...." which isn't great.

[magic crescent]

hahah that would be awful

Thanks again

[summer roost]

yeah - not just because it would be uncomfortable for you, but also because winding up in that situation will make you look like you were being deliberately misleading on the resume, which makes you less likely to get the job - while you might have gotten it if the resume hadn't been misleading.

[magic crescent]

good thing I haven't used that resume for anything yet

[ocean ledge]

yeah, don't lie about the scope of your projects-- just be honest about it

i had applicants that had some pretty awesome sounding projects on their resume, but as soon as i asked them about it it was immediately clear they didn't do what they wrote

[magic crescent]

But like everything in there is true, the user system works, and you can upload the submission to the db, (there just isn't an easy way to get it out rn). So I think it was more of a phrasing thing.

but yeah I will be clearer

that's why reviews like these are good before I actually apply to places

[ocean ledge]

yeah, gl!

i don't know shit about web dev, so i don't know what they look for when they hire

hopefully actual web devs here have more to say on that

[magic crescent]

Thanks for the feedback 🙂

[gray nimbus]

hello! is anyone working with data science/analysis with Python? I'm just starting and I don't know if I did this question right. some help would be appreciated. Thank you:)

[near ocean]

This isnt the right channel for this

You can always look up what a function does anyway

[harsh pulsar]

Hi friends, I am new to python and want to start freelancing in python.....How should I proceed?

[vapid jay]

Do you know a really good amount of python?

[vapid jay]

same question made by Saurabh for me

I want to start out with like

teaching other people

who want to learn python

[true turtle]

fwiw, you can practice that in the help channels

[vapid jay]

and earn some sort of certification

[brazen reef]

hey is vs code better or is it pycharm?

[weary forge]

What is the general consensus on sysadmin work? Is it a viable career path? Good progression options/pay/enjoyable?

[true turtle]

your question is off-topic for this channel. Try asking in #tools-and-devops

[modern hatch]

for only python stuff -> pycharm and for all rounder -> vs code.

[modern hatch]

• vs code is light and looks good.

[brazen reef]

I think I should consider learning python more than java script

[torpid wing]

mini modding loser

[near ocean]

Bro are you for real right now

[cobalt lark]

Fighting what you can consider as minimodding with what I consider as minimodding isn't productive at all

[brazen reef]

Why is this import flask a premium feature?

I use pycharm btw

[inland parrot]

@modern hatch isn't light.

[unique path]

It isn't. Firstly install flask in your environment maybe using Anaconda prompt or directly through command line.

Hey Guys, can a fresher really secure a job as a Machine Learning Engineer job profile in top-tech companies? Or is it necessary to have a experience with Software Engineer job profile, i.e. SDE roles and then switch to Machine Learning/Data Science positions? Any views on this ?

[ocean ledge]

whats a fresher

[unique path]

Just graduated from University and seeking for job.

As I am in my final year of Computer Engineering

[ocean ledge]

i mean... it depends on your background for MLE

what would you say are the highlights of your skillset/knowledge base

[vapid jay]

I am just 14, soon 15 ( this jan)

I am learning python, and i am pretty well at it

I know till Classes ( means all basic) and web scrapping and a lot more

But i forgot it since i had exams each month, so now revising

What to do next?

[near ocean]

Learn more python

[vapid jay]

That would never end bruh

[near ocean]

Then pick a couple frameworks and learn those too

[vapid jay]

Hmm

or move to a mew language?

i am thinking of c++, for competitive programming

move on in this language or move to a new lang?

[mellow crest]

hello
world

[unique path]

Skillset: Python 3, Machine Learning, Data Analysis, Deep Learning(Tensorflow),Scikit-learn, Basic DS-Algo, Django(Novice)

[harsh pulsar]

I just started python......and want to do freelancing in python .....any suggestion what skills should i go for

[wanton cosmos]

I have experience with Flask but very small experience/knowledge of django. I got this interview opportunity at a company that is asking for django experience

is it feasible for me to interview there. how much do i need to prepare

someone please advise me on this

[near ocean]

try and learn as much as you can and then take the interview

just cause you dont have experience in django doesnt mean youre automatically checked off

[wanton cosmos]

I have gone through the beginners mozilla tutorial and the official tutorial. Should i try to create small projects in the remaining 7-8 days?

[vapid jay]

Hi,

Not sure if this is the right place for this. I'm looking for someone to perform a series of statistical analyses on a medium sized dataset (6000 entries) for my organisation. The job requires knowledge of pandas & statsmodels.

Paid job, of course.

Don't hesitate to PM me for more information!

You can e-mail me on [e-mail] if you're interested in the job/more detail

[ocean ledge]

@unique path nothing in what you said tells me expertise or specific skillsets-- its all generic stuff that everyone working should know to begin with

do you have any specific domain knowledge/research focus? what papers are you reading recently?

[unique path]

Actually I have just 7 months of experience in Machine Learning, done few projects including NLP bases Healthcare-Assistant. And for now, I am brushing up my DS-Algo skills , and CS fundamentals.

[ocean ledge]

it doesn't matter how long-- it only matters what you know and what you're working on

if an interviewer asks you what papers you read last week, what would you answer

usually without anything more specialized, you'd be at the level of a data analyst

[sterile vault]

Does anyone have "Technical task" template. I'm not sure it's exact English name, but I need a good template for client request about made-to-order Python program - deliverable, features, ect, ect, ect.

[pastel lark]

there are many pathways in software development like android dev, web app dev, desktop dev, OS dev, so anyone can give me advice how to pick the right pathway ?

[little trellis]

@pastel lark that's up to you friend. Pick the one you enjoy the best when you're doing it

[pastel lark]

mobile dev look cool but like hard to find a job

[sterile vault]

Probably best to check local job sites

[little trellis]

I don't believe Python is very prevalent in mobile development but could be wrong.

[pastel lark]

is it a good idea if work as local demand

i'm living near Seattle, there is Amazon and Microsoft

Amazon seem is about Web

Microsoft about desktop applicaiton

[little trellis]

Other languages like Swift, JS, C++, Dart, ect.. are more prevalent there

There should be plenty of jobs in Seattle

[ocean ledge]

i mean, that's a really limited view of software jobs

large tech companies do pretty much everything...

even amazon has people who write OSes

just pick what you're a) good at, and b) enjoy learning

[little trellis]

Would focus more broadly. Like if you are experienced in web dev you can feasibly do a lot of the others there. I'd probably break it up more around web/app development, data science and engineering, embedded systems, ect...

[pastel lark]

Thank for ur sharing

[pastel lark]

can i change pathway if i feel like want try something new

[ocean ledge]

why not?

[little trellis]

Of course, it's not like they don't overlap either.

[pastel lark]

that problem i worry is if i change pathway, i just like 0+ exp and hard to get hire

and the salary also decrease as exp

[little trellis]

You'll still have x years in Python. Just focus on being a good software developer, keep learning, and you won't find too many limitations in your career

[pastel lark]

yeah i heard many people say dont limit yoursel

like try to enjoy all types

[little trellis]

Also don't worry too much about salary. Once you hit a decent level the salary will be good regardless of what you choose for the most part

[pastel lark]

really

wow

[little trellis]

Just keep an open mind. Try other languages too, it's great to figure out the strengths and weaknesses. Python is great for fast development and data processing. JavaScript can be very helpful for the front-end stuff. GO is great for concurrent processing. The C languages are great for speed. ect..

[pastel lark]

yeah

i used to learn basic c#, java and now i'm learning python

i also learn a little bit of html,css,js

and MySQL

but just basic because i will go to the college this year

fall 2021

but i just want to make sure what should i focus more on

but maybe i think i will learn all

[little trellis]

Nice, it sounds like you're ahead of the game. SQL is great to learn as well.

[ocean ledge]

i mean, i guess it depends on your salary goal

[little trellis]

That's what college is for. Find what you like

[pastel lark]

after college i will study for 2 more years to get bachelor degree of cs

[pastel lark]

i also love programming robot too like embedded system but i think it's belong to electric major. Do you think cs degree can apply for embedded system jobs ?

[little trellis]

@pastel lark yeah probably if you take classes in that area and/or learn it on your own. Might be better going with computer engineering though in that case.

[pastel lark]

ok because i love many majors about computer

like cyber security

when i was in middle school, the first things about computer i've learnt is basic computer,networking, linux and learn hacking with kali linux

[little trellis]

Basics of computer networking are important for sure. Can be very useful.

[pastel lark]

yeah i got CompTIA A+ book

everything about computer seems interesting to me

[little trellis]

There's plenty out there to learn for sure

[pastel lark]

i do a research about software development jobs in Indeed and mostly when i find the keyword software developer or software engineer then i click on every single job description, mostly they're hiring web developers

seem like i will focus on web development the most i dont know if this is a good idea

[little trellis]

Web dev and data engineering/science are definitely biggest now and will be for the foreseeable future. Although for web dev I'd honestly recommend to focus more on JavaScript and the front-end frameworks like Vue or React.

[pastel lark]

yeah i would choose mern stacks

[little trellis]

Give Vue a shot if you're interested in that end. I always used React for personal projects that needed a front-end but recently tried Vue for a new project and I like it a lot.

[pastel lark]

yeah sure, i will try all

it's worth

[little trellis]

JavaScript and Python are very similar in a lot of ways thankfully

[pastel lark]

yeah, a lots similar

i used to learn about web on W3SCHOOLS and freecodecamp too

freecodecamp more details and have a pratice to pass the lesson

[little trellis]

freecodecamp is a respectable institution

[pastel lark]

yeah

when you're learning new stuff or like programming lang

do you take note

or u search it on google if u forgot it ?

[little trellis]

I just try to put whatever I read into practice to retain it. I do have a Wiki JS instance where I save details on things I use often or bugs I've ran into. That's helpful.

[pastel lark]

cool thanks

didnt know about wiki js

[little trellis]

Of course, if you're interested in Wiki JS this is probably the best way to get an instance of your own up.

https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/wiki-js

But I'm sure there is free software out there that would work well for you. I just like the wiki format and don't mind spending a few $ per month to host it

[pastel lark]

ok

let me check it

[prisma wagon]

dont just start learning about a language and taking notes for the sake of it.

Find a project and build it in the new language you're wanting to learn. That is the best way to learn it.

If you can find a project that plays to a languages strong suite such as using c for embedded, js for frontend, etc.

I would highly recommend sticking with one language at the start and learning it really well trying to make advanced projects and pushing yourself further and further.

[dusty trail]

Not sure if this is the right place, but Im looking to hire Python Developers, Poland preferrably, but Im open to considerations. Is this the right channel for that?

nvm, found the right place, just had to look way, waaay up

[inland cedar]

read the channel description

[pastel lark]

COOL thank you

[supple bison]

Hello guys, I'm a python developer and interested in learning machine learning course can anyone suggest me a good online course? Where in can learn basic to advanced level of machine learning?

[ripe shard]

Try edx.

There are many ML courses on it.

[swift veldt]

deeplearning.ai's specializations on coursera are pretty good

[supple bison]

Oh, great I'll check it out thanks

[swift veldt]

if you have a working knowledge of python, I'd argue the 5-course specialization on machine learning is greatly structured for a beginner in ML.

the ramp-up is balanced

I fared pretty great doing it with just only five months of programming (overall not just python) under my belt and I'm no genius

[stiff olive]

Which is the best paid python developer course for beginners? Anyone kindly tell. Me

[craggy wave]

Best paid?

You're talking about a beginner's course, right?

I'd worry about finding a beginner's course that motivates you, that gets you coding, and teaches you solid Python principles

Whatever's going to influence your pay grade is probably going to be the things you do with Python after your beginner's course

[stiff olive]

@craggy wave Sorry for that. If u know some please share it with me

[stiff olive]

I saw more courses but I'm unable to choose the best who teaches in depth amd complete python

[timber cliff]

@stiff olive https://www.udemy.com/share/101URk/

one of the best (i should say the best)

[stiff olive]

@timber cliff Ahh. Thanks buddy. I'm going to purchase it. Thank you sooo much

[timber cliff]

you are welcome

[elfin oriole]

https://internshala.com/short-term-internships-bash?utm_source=eap_copylink&utm_medium=10349034

[stray sparrow]

Thanks dude 😁

[vapid jay]

Hi, everybody. Which books or book about python, should reads newbie?

[fallen dew]

That’s probably more of a question for the general channel, but Python Crash Course and Automate the Boring Stuff are two great options for beginners

[twilit cradle]

i wanna this for free :p

[slim flower]

Any pointers on freelance work? just small jobs that I can do as a side from a main job. I've heard Fiverr is okay but i've never used any of them idk

[dim zinc]

hey guys

i was wondering what area of python to learn after i learn the main language

[vapid jay]

D

G

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @vapid jay until 2020-12-22 17:56 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: burst rule: sent 8 messages in 10s).

[distant urchin]

how to verify if a company in a job list is a legitimate

[vapid jay]

Thank you

Is byte of python a good book?

[fallen dew]

No idea. I’ve only read PCC and ATBS, but you might be able to find some good reviews on reddit for any of the common materials

That book seems pretty common too, so there should be some detailed reviews out there

[wooden turret]

Don’t get caught up in which book to read imo. Pick a popular one and get going

[tardy egret]

Yeah, don't fall into analysis paralysis

[fallen dew]

Yup exactly

Especially if you’re brand new to programming, you’ll learn a ton from any of those books

Just need to sit down and start

[vital frigate]

Anyone willing to share the story of how they landed their first internship/job? Anything unique happen?

[unique blade]

Is freelancing profitable if u don’t have at least a masters

[near ocean]

How's a master's gonna help with freelancing

[unique blade]

I’ve heard people say at least in data science freelancing

U need a masters

To get hired

[grim star]

Is it possible to get into Machine Learning or Datascience WITHOUT collage?

[near ocean]

very much doubtful unless youre a top contender in kaggle or something

[neat ingot]

impressive portfolio and high kaggle score might mean more. for some places maybe.

[ebon sun]

Also Kaggle.

[grim geyser]

hi guys

i am new to python

although i only know the basics

and to make an AI assistant

[timber cliff]

You can try this one if you want free https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWKjhJtqVAbnqBxcdjVGgT3uVR10bzTEB

It's a great one too

[abstract harbor]

Career unrelated but is there anyone here that is currently taking a University course for software engineering?

My question would be that, is it anymore significant to take a Bachelors of Science than Bachelors of Design and vice versa or even more, should I not take either degrees but rather get a Diploma in computing with a one year course, would that allow me for a job application?

[vapid jay]

anyone familiar with dockers

[marsh wind]

most surely but I don't think docker discussion/questions fit here unless it's related to careers @vapid jay

I'd try #tools-and-devops i

[timber cliff]

@abstract harbor in it sector u don't need degrees skill is the most important

[abstract harbor]

Is there a way i could acquire these skills without attending college lectures or such?

[timber cliff]

internet

online courses

[abstract harbor]

Ehh, for some reasons, I'm very doubtful that online courses or the internet could get me far..

I guess it seems too good to be true

[timber cliff]

i think self-taught far better than the ones the degree but no skill

[abstract harbor]

I suppose that's only partially correct, Wouldn't the big tech companies that either directly or indirectly gives you rewarding opportunities will require a degree(correct me if im wrong), plus, a privilege that comes with working in big tech companies is that they have a reputation to keep in mind, they can't just yell and beat you for turning in a project late which makes a consequential better workplace. And I personally would want to get a job in a decent tech company so I was wondering which degree would best fit my interests.

[timber cliff]

oh

@abstract harbor im not gonna suggest u something accurate . u can watch this video it might be helpful for u https://youtu.be/57GuRoJ5Bfw

[vapid jay]

depends on what they want to do really . CS education helps since you get to learn general computing and other quirks which , in general, isn't something self-taught people are comfortable with . Sure self- taught people might be able to implement the same project they are given but people with a education/degree proper will know the ins and outs with additional skills like optimization etc in their toolset. A person with a degree is likely to get a better job too since he doesn't have to pressure into the company to assure them that he/she knows his stuff

in short, with a proper education you get it easier to pick up new toolchains , get to communicate with others better and have a proper toolset

[timber cliff]

but it will take a lots of time 5-6 year

[vapid jay]

well yeah but in a short time you cannot** be a full fledged all rounder either

everything takes time

even being self taught

[timber cliff]

maybe but don't have intention of learning C ++

[vapid jay]

being in a proper degree discipline isn't just learning one thing (like only web dev or only applied stats) - it gives insight to a lot of fields too (as long as you are interested) .

either way , i think self-taught people also get a job but someone with a degree might find it easier to be hired

[mental garnet]

What are people's thoughts on someone with a chemistry degree applying for C++/Python jobs? I have several projects on my resume already'

[vapid jay]

not sure, but it is generally course dependent - here the standard is java and c . C++ only taught in the last year etc

[mental garnet]

Several non-trivial projects*

[abstract harbor]

Oh thanks, I'll make sure to check that out

[timber cliff]

@abstract harbor nope. you are welcame

[abstract harbor]

I mean, I've seen people from psychology somehow ending up in graphical art and design so there's nothing much particular than its peculiarity. So long as you're interested and happy in what you'll be doing, and that you're well equipped for it, your degree won't probably matter as much.

[left thicket]

I just saw a video called "25 ways to make money with code" and the thing he said was that u need to hold an understanding of how to program because u r basically selling it for someone.

My question is at what stage can I say that I am ready and can start selling/making money with code?

[vapid jay]

bachelor of design in what ? that is something new .

anyways , if you mean Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) then you might be interested to take a look at the Syllabus offered and read up a bit what goes in to it . In terms of if it is worth it then well you can tune into job discussions/eligibility pages and see what the requirements are in general (some people working professionally here might help you with this) . I say this because BS-CS , BS-CSE , BS-CE , B.Tech-CE , BS- Maths and Computing AND B.S-IT are very rigorous (also similar) courses so each one is kinda different except some colleges generally put BS-CSE and BS-IT together which creates confusion .

Diploma courses as in IT ? Make sure it is not the computer application crap which teaches you dumb software usage , it is - well not exactly a lucrative track .
if you can link to which courses you are talking about , people will find it easier to help .

[abstract harbor]

Well, I'm planning to apply for the University of Melbourne and they offer a fexlible amount of computing degrees. The first one is the Bachelor Of Design in computing, although I'm still trying to understand what it really teaches you / the coursework, it's something along the lines of teaching or equipping the Mindset of modern design for problem solving and decision making, with an emphasis on programming I guess. Bachelor of Science on the other hand has things like Computing and IT, which makes me wonder what exactly does that differ from the computing major in the Bachelors of Design. The 'Diploma' I mentioned was a one year diploma in computing, same very brief description, hopefully its not a course where they teaches me how to navigate reddit.

[vapid jay]

ah that sounds like the design one is your typical BS-CSE and the computing one is either BS-CS or BS-Maths and Computing . Let me take a look at them , a sec

[abstract harbor]

What's CSE btw?

[vapid jay]

Computer Science and Engineering

[abstract harbor]

Oh alright, also thank you very much in advance for helping.

[mental garnet]

Is there a resume feedback section in this discord?

[abstract harbor]

No but as far as I'm concerned, you can ask people for a favor.

[vapid jay]

@abstract harbor Can we talk in DMs ?

[abstract harbor]

Of course

[mental garnet]

@abstract harbor cool thanks

Would anyone who can spare some time like to review my resume? 😄

You can destroy it if necessary lol

[supple copper]

I have actually started a major in software engineering this year. So far i have found it to be much worse than online courses. I believe someone could master everything and more that is taught in a college in 4 years just by studying from online courses for a year. I wouldn't suggest a degree.

[mental garnet]

University does seem to be falling by the wayside

[supple copper]

Sorry some type

typo*

[mental garnet]

Only thing at this point is the certification

[supple copper]

Yeah

If you can do the work necessary who cares about degree i guess

[spice walrus]

ok i needed this

i thought about doing a course abroad and then trying for work in that country. I'm currenly working

[abstract harbor]

How did it work out?

[tranquil birch]

Do you have any recomendations of online courses?

[craggy wave]

Personally, I've found that online courses were not a replacement of what I learned in my degree, but that, when it comes to being a developer, there's nothing quite like actually writing code, thinking about application design, and playing around with all the tools around it.

Still, the depth of knowledge I've found while attending and teaching at a university is difficult to replace with the online courses I've followed (mostly EDx-courses, like MITx, Harvardx, and so on). There's something to be said about being emerged in a community of students all studying the same thing.

Just don't stop enjoying actual programming and building up experience that way.

[hushed robin]

When becoming a UX/UI designer, is it useful to learn Java?

[vapid jay]

Other languages/skills are probably more useful.

e.g. animation libraries, frontend, design software

Is a master in CS needed to become a data scientist?

dont know if this is the right place to ask lol

[near ocean]

A masters in data science would be ideal

[wispy cape]

It depends on many factors, the biggest one would be where you live and what's the culture there.
In some places a bachelor is enough, in others, you'd need a masters
As for which field to major in, in my experience, data science is such a young field that almost any field roughly related to math or computer science will do just fine, I had coworkers that were working as data scientist with a degree in geophysics, applied math, cs, and probably some other I am forgetting

[swift veldt]

I'll give you my own experience: I've gone back to uni for a MSc in DS & AI. I wanted a more academic training in data science as well as a stepping stone for future job applications -- diplomas matter in Europe.

The way you should look at it is whether it will complement your already existing set of skills. A master's is a big investment afterall.

[high badger]

If I'm a complete newbie to programming, what careers should I try working toward. I'm not too interested in web development, but cyber security interests me a little.

[summer roost]

Just start by learning to program. If you like that, focus on the parts of it that you like more than others. There's tons more out there than web development, but you have to learn the basics either way. And security requires you to know a whole lot of different areas.

[vapid jay]

how does one choose a career? ive tried web development but its boring for me (atleast front end), i dont loose motivation when im specifically working on something

[swift veldt]

better remove that. This place is not for recruitment.

as say the rules

[bleak karma]

So I have been programming python for a year now and still attending college I have two more semesters before I graduate. How do I get an internship I have applied to hundreds of companies but it seems like the automated resume reviewer just skips past me

[golden tundra]

Have a friend who’s experienced with this and has gotten job offers to review your resume

Personal projects help

[peak halo]

!ban 756356687694397440 We've told you a few times that you can't recruit for paid opportunities on this server. It seems that you don't care.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @jaunty cradle permanently.

[vestal widget]

Hey guys

first of all, marry xmas to you all 🙂

secondly, what do you think about django?

is that widely used?

or python is popular bcs of the ai and ml

[digital fjord]

Django is quite prevalent. Instagram uses it for example.

[copper cedar]

is there any other exam like IOI in india for 11th class student?

[vestal widget]

yeah, but php laravel seems more popular tho

[copper cedar]

aur koi exam nahi hai kya computer se related?

[vapid jay]

what

[copper cedar]

means any other exam related to computer

means any other exam related to computer

[white egret]

@upbeat parrot

jebem ti mater u pičku

smrdljivu

[gleaming cedar]

Any mechanical engineers here who have switched their career in IT field?

[rocky terrace]

hmm i think it's good because it's still popular right now, lot of my friends use it..

[sick tree]

Hi guys...anybody from India here?

[coral briar]

my dudes i'm tryna learn python, and having some problems with exception management.
Where should i ask for some help? should be pretty fast

[near ocean]

A free help channel

[coral briar]

so i go in "how to get help" and open up a new channel?

[fallen dew]

Yup. Look under the section “Available help channels”, if there is one there, you can post your question and then it’ll get re-assigned as one of the current help channels @coral briar

[coral briar]

@fallen dew thanks, got it posted in the meantime in calcium, and hopefully someone's free to help

[tardy egret]

K

[dawn badge]

Hi

[peak halo]

Please don't shitpost in our server.

[empty galleon]

Yeah, isn't there a channel for memes here

[peak halo]

Nope. We just don't have anything like that here to reduce moderator strain. There are of course other servers or subreddits for that content.

[empty galleon]

okay 👍

[stark sail]

I got one job but I'm self-taught

anyone can help me with curriculum?

[warped creek]

Hi guys... i am currently 13 years of age.. is it possible that I can make money off of coding?

I am self taught

[stark sail]

I already got the job

it's indication

[autumn snow]

Msg:.```When you make a new label the number will be put into a database with the receivers and senders information.

.There should also be a feature where you can make a custom status. Like when you enter the number into a system you can change the status.

.I also want to make it so you can search the tracking progress from my website. So basically creating a little box like you see on the ups website.```

[abstract harbor]

There's nothing really stopping you. Freelancing websites like fiverr, freelancer, etc.. and many more.. can offer you a lot of opportunities. But ofcourse, some require parental guidance and or a finance account created by an adult.

[autumn snow]

Guys how muxh do u think shud i charge for this?

[abstract harbor]

I have no idea when it comes to web development.

Probably better off asking an opinion in #web-development

@autumn snow

[autumn snow]

Nahh!! Im not the web guy only for the backend which is the input part which is in python!

[abstract harbor]

Oh then where exactly are you programming these features?

[autumn snow]

Wdym by where?

[abstract harbor]

Like for instance, are you trying to make a command line application?

[autumn snow]

Nah gui,n

!*

[abstract harbor]

So a desktop application?

[autumn snow]

Yep!

Which updates data to a cloud poatgres db!

[abstract harbor]

Ahh I see, I'm not familiar with GUI applications but It should probably be higher than ~$19

[autumn snow]

Per hour?

@abstract harbor

[abstract harbor]

Yeah per hour

[autumn snow]

Ok👍🏻

So consider a 20 then 20*15=300$ ok !👍🏻

Tnxx

[abstract harbor]

Yeah np!

[warped creek]

Anyone want to hire me

[analog hazel]

Check the channel's desc.

[vapid jay]

@stark sail If you don't mind me asking, how much coding experience would you say you had when you got the job?

[stark sail]

@vapid jay
Linguagens: Python | HTML | C++.
Softwares: PostgreSQL
Familiaridade: LINUX/GNU, DEBIAN
Gestão empresarial com ERP

[vapid jay]

Thanks! Did you make your own projects for your resume?

[stark sail]

@vapid jay not yet. if you don't mind me asking, why are you interesting?

[vapid jay]

Because I don't know if I'm ready to start applying to jobs, so I thought I'd ask someone who has gotten a job to see how they where when they applied.

[hot fulcrum]

Hey y’all I’d love any input on this! I’m really stuck between going the route of data analysis or IT/cyber security not sure which one to hop on.

I see some people say go into IT get your security+ and then get in to cloud too.

I’m mainly looking for a reward career and something I won’t have to worry about for the next ten years. Thoughts 💭

[stark sail]

I got a job because of a friendship, so I don't know really about it

[proud glen]

Hello guys,
I need help for choosing right certification for next step in my career. I'm currently working as a Big Data engineer but I've worked as Data Architect in my organization. I've solved few critical business problems under my command.
There are many certification for Data Architect from Google, IBM, DASCA and cloudera. What certification would be more closer to market demand and can be done in little time ? I'm always busy with work and/or prod releases.
As for the experience, I work in hybrid cloud ( on-prem + Google cloud ) so GCP would be easier choice but the course work shows 6 months of prep time. #career-advice

[iron yarrow]

does anyone know of any programming interships (like at google, msft, etc.)?

[slim flower]

anybody got insight on finding freelance work that would be small jobs to do along side my actual job? I've heard of Fiverr and have no idea if its the best or even good to use. So the main point of this is finding what platforms are credible and good for searching.

[vapid jay]

You have your whole life to figure out what you want to do, I'm sure either one you pick, the experience from one will carry you over to the other, so you can try both eventually and figure out what one you prefer

[proud glen]

I can tell you that both of these fields are great but have their own drawbacks. Make sure you're comfortable with downside of any field than just the upside. I'm assuming you already know the upsides so I'm mentioning the darker aspects.
For Data Analysis: 80% of the job is getting, parsing, cleaning and curating data & only 20 % is finding patterns or training ML. If you're ready for a cycle of grunt work then hitting epiphany then DA will be good option. Just DA + Stats are not enough you need understanding of enterprise arch with knowledge of spark, Hadoop, HBase, Pub-Sub, Kafka KQL

For Infosec: Bash will be your life. Giving permissions, taking away permissions, creating certs, whitelisting endpoints and network monitoring are the general duties. The best jobs in infosec are the ones which require security clearances. If you're passionate about global politics, infosec is good for you. Make sure you have specialization in cryptography, hardware decoding, reverse engineering or any of the related fields.

Since you mentioned longevity for 10 years. Both of them are here to stay but they will metamorphosize into other things.

[summer roost]

I know Bloomberg (my employer) does a lot of Python and has an internship program. https://careers.bloomberg.com/job/detail/84150

most big companies do, though, as far as I know.

Googling "<company name> 2021 summer internship" should find you things for lots of big name companies. Look at companies that sponsor Python conferences or something like that to figure out what companies are big into Python and likely hiring.

like https://pycon-archive.python.org/2020/sponsors/

[jolly edge]

hello

[cloud oar]

i have no career 😦

[shadow moss]

They all have internships but they are highly competitive and few positions use Python exclusively

[summer roost]

few positions use Python exclusively
Hm - I don't think that's necessarily true for internships. At the internship level, there's definitely an expectation that there's a lot of things an intern wouldn't know, and hiring them to work with just one specific tool isn't unreasonable. And of course, the point of an internship is for you to learn new things; if you went into it already knowing every tool that they use it wouldn't be a very useful internship.

highly competitive is definitely true, but the solution is the same as applying for any other type of job - apply to a lot of different places and try to find one that is interested in you.

[cedar urchin]

i'm looking for a job as an intern