career-advice

[spring ivy]

i dont think i am gonna redact/rephrase every bullet manually just for me to be able to post it here to prove something to u, while avoiding being doxed 💀
But yeah I have gone through many resume reviews

[near ocean]

so there are other limits to your applications beyond your CV, your immigration status
why are you limited to 3years only

[next plover]

you have nothing to prove to me

[spring ivy]

🤷‍♀️

[green patrol]

Just get fbi to do them, they seem to be pretty good at redacting files anyways

[spring ivy]

cuz thats how the visa works

i wanna share my resume.. but a bit worried after what happened last time.. trolls..

maybe i can share in DMs..

[green patrol]

U can just share the experience and skills set part of it

Doubt anyone can really get much from that

[solid parcel]

Frankly I just take the approach of assuming that if anyone wanted to link one of my online accounts to my actual identity, they could

[spring ivy]

legit telling u bro @near ocean easier to get a job in USA remote from india that pays better than even UK
Then getting a job here as an international living here

[spring ivy]

yeah thats what i asked if i could do.. but then the dude got upset i wanted to redact/anonymise it using an LLM 💀

[green patrol]

Btw are u in US on a schlarship

[near ocean]

bro, the problem is youre a student on a visa, its got nothing to do with competition or your ability
of course no one will hire you, there are strict regulations about how much you can work and when

maybe stop wasting your time applying to jobs in the US, theres no point sending out thousands of apps there

also this has little to do with you being in the US, if you were in the UK youre still not getting hired on a student visa, same with the EU and basically anywhere that offers student visas

[spring ivy]

i have worked as an AI Software Engineer for 9 months or so. did some CUDA engineering, multi threaded stuff, training/finetuning AI models, automated checks for AI models' performance, designing database for AI management system, and working on various projects in security, OCR, agricultural, applications, etc (mostly computer vision stuff)

go to NYU currently, last sem masters
Projects are scaling up Reinforcement Learning/ LLM training across multiple hosts (multiple pods in a cluster) and multi-gpu within the pod
creating a 5 million image dataset for something
test-time scaling for CUDA engineering
Improving spatial reasoning of VLMs using RL + CoT

I also made a website that would generate armor set/weapon combinations for u to get the effects the user wanted in a game.. had many users but since then the game has been discontinued.. used a lot of DSA to get the search time down to 100-200ms for that one.

[spring ivy]

i mean most of my peers are here on a student visa

[near ocean]

the peers that arent getting interviews?

[spring ivy]

thats kinda dumb.. wouldnt really earn enough if i was applying for indian jobs to make any of this worhtwhile
The student visa does allow me a work permit for 3 years tho

[spring ivy]

yeah

@green patrol no not on scholarship, but only a 2 yr degree so its been cheaper than a bachelors

[near ocean]

Does it?

An F-1 student has three main employment-related guidelines:
May work at any qualifying on-campus job that does not displace a U.S. citizen or LPR.
May work up to 20 hours per week while school is in session (full-time during those periods when school is not in session or during the annual vacation)
Should report their work to you and receive a certification letter to present to the Social Security Administration in order to be able to receive a Social Security number.

Not complying with these guidelines for on-campus employment may be a violation of status that could result in the F-1 student having to leave the United States.

[spring ivy]

look up OPT
But yeah it doesnt make sense to spend so much on uni and also leave my 80k$/hr job just to apply to jobs in india 💀
Especially since I am still getting interviews here.. just much less than most
Anyways i should really go do some work.. i have wasted like 2-3 hours being a keyboard warrior 💀

[green patrol]

But this will last 2 years what about the future

[near ocean]

OPT f-1 says up to 12months full time employment

[spring ivy]

3 years
each year u can apply for H1B lottery for like 1k$, tho it is a lottery and idk what the odds will be/are after all the changes

@near ocean look up STEM OPT

tbf it makes 0 sense to apply for indian jobs even when i was in india 💀

[green patrol]

So you're gambling your future away😭 , peak cs behavior

[spring ivy]

much easier to get a well paying US job from india then getting a well paying US job while being in US as an international
and also easier than getting well paying indian job in india

[green patrol]

Ngl I heard those scam call centres pay well if this doesn't work out I might have to..💀

[spring ivy]

yeah.. the immigration system sucks.. what can u do..
Hopefully since trump applied 100k$ for H1B filings out of states (which were most of the filings), it makes it easier for us to win the lottery.. but its also wage based now.. the more u earn, the easier it is to get the H1B

I guess after graduating I get a WIP VISA for UK and a golden visa for UAE.. but not much point going to those countries since they dont pay too well

[spring ivy]

yeah sure.. this was the only thing left from this discord.. casual racism 💀

[green patrol]

Dw we got those aswell

In retrospect it was friendly fire. I might get banned soon

Didn't mean to be racist tho(mods don't ban me pls)

[still condor]

@mental hill Make sure to read our rules and the channel description. We do not allow looking for a job on this server.

[fair abyss]

anyone here work for gitlab? im looking at that as my career because its fully remote as well also has a higher hire rate and additionally they use languages i code with.

[open ivy]

Yes it is very difficult, I have seen friends go through a lot.

The immigrants who succeed at the job hunt must have some enviable job search skills.

[dull belfry]

Any tips for getting first job or internship as a software engineer

Job market is so bad rn

[lilac yoke]

are you in university? united states?

[dull belfry]

Yes no

My university is over almost

[lilac yoke]

have you found a niche in software engineering that you like?

[dull belfry]

i have made websites i like backend development and like general software engineering

[rapid holly]

Half of them would be a really huuuuge number tho

[trim crypt]

Have you found any job ads looking for interns and entry level work? If none, look at the past or most recent job ads and see what kind of interns they are looking for. If you have a missing skillset or tech stack or something, that's something you should look into.

[lilac yoke]

I would suggest you try to specialize. Most if not all computer science undergrads have similar interests and projects.

A great way to find what niche you want to be apart of is to browse LinkedIn or other job boards for senior or principal engineering roles. If you find some that stick out to you, maybe post them here and we can help you think of some good projects to start with.

Aside from that, utilize your university network. My university has a specific department for the engineering college that just helps students connect with recruiters for jobs. With a good portfolio, you'll be able to open some doors.

[dull belfry]

Yes i have applied for several internships I only got replies for 2 and only got to first screening with HR
no technical interviews yet

[dull belfry]

Specialize in backend or frontend?

Or specialize in building a niche of tools?

[lilac yoke]

"Backend" and "frontend" are a huge domain of different specializations. You might find someone who programs satellites, someone who spends their time doing UI/UX, a person writing infrastructure that runs data centers... It's not black and white.

Once you have your domain of interest, you can start looking at the tools that engineers use.

[dull belfry]

Oh i was talking about web development

[lilac yoke]

I would advise you to not go into web development as it is over saturated in this job market. Try to be more valuable.

[dull belfry]

#career-advice message

This was my old resume which I previously shared, i have few projects ongoing rn

[dull belfry]

oh yes, its very competitive

So I would need to find some specialized role

But all i can see are these kind of jobs on LinkedIn

Or other roles like data engineering (which i assume is close to backend)

there is devops which would need me to learn new skill sets from scratch

Same with security roles

Am not that interested in DS/ML

[lilac yoke]

If you want web development to be your specialization that is fine. You'll want to find the tools you want to work with from those job postings and create significant projects with them to demonstrate what you know.

For example, if you decide you would like to use Postgres, you shouldn't just make some CRUD database web app. You'll want to show that you know query optimization, many indexing algorithms, advanced use cases like graph traversals with recursive CTEs, etc.

If you can think of a interesting, resource intensive and demanding use-case for Postgres where you can really push it to its limits, you can create a benchmark program to show how efficient you've made the design.

I'd do this with 2-3 technologies, and put a section at the top of your resume called a "Summary of Qualifications" that talks about how you are interested in these technologies specifically and your non-trivial experience with them.

[dull belfry]

Alright, i will try to do that

[main tundra]

Hey guys I wanna learn backend web development so should I start with learning flask

[lilac yoke]

Definitely do not limit yourself to just web development though.

Another example could be an interest in databases. You might look at Microsofts SQL Server teams, Amazon's teams for Aurora or DynamoDB. The people who work on these systems (systems engineers) have all likely created databases from scratch in their freetime, deployed and benchmarked them.

[dull belfry]

For my next project am thinking of making
a multiplayer kind of game using sockets
i wanted to get familiar with realtime connections and write some networking code

So i think its alright to make a project that gives you experience with different technologies than what i specialize

Idk if that would be relevant on my resume

[lilac yoke]

Networking skills are incredibly important, honestly I’d say it’s just as important a computer science degree.

A multiplayer game would be very fun to make, but if you are looking for resume projects probably not the best. Maybe look into some distributed systems algorithms such as RAFT and create a custom network protocol to drive consensus

[open ivy]

You take a BIG hit to the ability to follow through with portfolio projects if you don't do something fun.

So if they really want to make a game it's probably best if they do so, so long as they are willing to take on non gamedev jobs

[last moat]

is there any book for non technical interview preparations?. i am not much worried about technical interview, i am worried about questions they ask about teamwork, culture fit, soft skills, communication skills. i have interview in 2 days. company claims to be big and i am sure they will ask such questions which i am not aware of

[open ivy]

There are hundreds at least. But not sure how to evaluate which books are actually good? Most people with good social skills don't understand how they do it, just as a sea-turtle has no clue why she lays her eggs. So it's hard to write it into a book.

[last moat]

i have timid, nervous personality. first thing i have to improve is speaking skills. but i am looking for article or book that contains most common questions asked by interviewers. so i can prepare for that

i failed alot of interviews in 4 years

[open ivy]

You may choke up less in interviews if you reframe jobs as nice to have but not essential. Even though they are.

Like how people reframe aging as "part of life" instead of "horrible thing in the future".

[smoky quest]

practice makes perfect. The more you do, the less nervous speaking will be.

If you failed a lot of interviews, it's also an opportunity to learn from each and improve

[open ivy]

Makes me wonder what social interactions are "interview-like" and would be a natural source of practice?

[smoky quest]

toast masters, go do a tech talk at a meetup, go talk at a meetup

or find someone to do a mock interview in a VC

[solid parcel]

I massively disagree with this. While they may come more naturally to some than others, social skills can very much be learned and there's a ton of information out there (both academic and anecdotal) on best practices for interview preparation (soft skills, culture fit and so on).

[last moat]

what resources would you recommend

[solid parcel]

It's been a fair while since I've looked into any of this, so I'm afraid I'd struggle to point to any specific resources. I'd honestly just have a Google and find some resources where there's consensus that people have found them useful.

[balmy mural]

I've got a whiteboard interview coming up in a week where I'll brainstorm a case study that the company set up with one of their lead engineers. I've never had an interview like this, and it's also my first technical interview in 3 years (I had just graduated the last time I did one). Is there any small things I can do to be a bit more prepped for this type of interview in this week? Anything I should know before going into it?

[hexed hearth]

man what do I do, these vibe coding accusations and negativity make me wanna cry

[vast shoal]

There are quite a lot of videos on youtube with mock interviews like that. You could try watching some of those to get a sense for what it's like, what they might ask you and what kind of responses they might expect.

I don't really know which ones are good quality or not, but something is better than nothing, right?

[solid parcel]

Practice. You 100% need to practice articulating your thoughts as you work through designing the solution. It's a skill, and I know personally it usually takes me a week or so to get into a headspace where I can do it effectively if I haven't for a while. Best to do with an audience, but failing that, literally just talk out loud as you walk through how you'd approach designing a solution, your thought processes, tradeoffs and so on.

[vast shoal]

Hm, maybe watch some of those mock interviews, then come up with a new problem, record yourself designing and explaining the solution in a similar way, then cringe as you play it back, reflect on what you struggled with, then do it again and see if you can do better.

[fringe sphinx]

Also - practice the easy questions. "Tell me about yourself?" "What are you looking for in an ideal job?" "Tell me about a time when you had to solve a problem / deal with conflict / etc"?

[barren lotus]

ok i finally understand why the guy keeps asking me, do you have any questions for us

huh but what if... it's actually just to wrap things up

[near ocean]

It is but also you should ask a couple questions

[barren lotus]

i did ask about the internal schema they are using

[near ocean]

Ask about what kind of projects you would be working on if hired, what type of challenges theyre after currently, where they would want you to be in 6 months, etc

[barren lotus]

he explained it to me

about the parts i might be working on

[solid parcel]

If they're prepared to spend time telling you specifics about the work you'd be doing and their current environment, I find that's a very good sign. There's a difference between them painting in broad strokes, and taking the time to drill into some details with you 🙂

[sage stream]

is python good for big jobs ( here i mean the salary) or another lang is way better?

[fringe sphinx]

Some people say a "power move" is to ask "Why wouldn't you hire me" at the end of the interview. I'm not sure how I feel about this, but for senior positions, I like some form of this.

For example, they might say: "Well, we were hoping for a candidate from within the industry with a little more experience at XYZ". And, that gives you a chance to discuss it... rather than them just thinking it.

[solid parcel]

There's also the option for a softer couching of something similar, asking if there's anything you've covered in the interview that they'd like you to expand on before things wrap up. It can be a good way to give them a chance to bring you back to a question where you haven't quite hit the points they were looking for.

And therefore an opportunity for you to rectify that!

[barren lotus]

hmmmmmm ok

it's funny how confidence can actually matter in a tangible form. if i am not confident at all, i wouldnt be planning an mvp.

if i am already planning for an mvp, and they see it (they already have my github) they might feel that im a go getter

[balmy mural]

@vast shoal @solid parcel @fringe sphinx
Thanks for the responses. I'll go have a look at some videos and practice out loud. A week isn't much time, but at least it's not a day.
Luckily I have a decent amount of practice on those easy questions, they normally come up in the first "coffee chats" that I've had multiple of already. Not expecting those next week since it's not my first interview with this company

[solid parcel]

Good luck!

[balmy mural]

Overall I'm feeling pretty positive on my job hunt so far. Getting a decent percentage of callbacks. So my CV is strong enough. Just going to be about shaking off the rust for interviewing and some time, then I should land something

[balmy mural]

My favorite question right now is to ask them what recent feature went to production that they're proud of, and why. It gives you a bit of insight on the types of problems you'll face, and it gets them talking about the work they're currently doing. If you're lucky, it's about something you also have knowledge about and can ask technical follow up questions on if they're open to talking about in in more depth

[solid parcel]

Good question, I might steal that 😁

[barren lotus]

i have been thinking, i basically know their entire tech stack now

what stops me from just yknow, building out the entire thing

[true harness]

knowing the ingredients of coca cola is very different from being the coca cola company

[barren lotus]

i can approximate it

[true harness]

that's not really the point. there's more to coke than just how it's made

[barren lotus]

things like regulatory oversight, maintenance of the machines?

i see your point now

[true harness]

sure. or marketing, client relationships, ...

[balmy mural]

As well as capital/funding, brand power, distribution/supply chains, product ecosystem (coca cola has more than just coca cola), consumer habits, etc.

[barren lotus]

i guess it would be more appropriate to say that i can build an mvp

[tidal juniper]

Hello! Newbie python learner here, I would like get some advice about in which area should I start to learn with python. I have some knowledge on front-end side (Js ,react) but I feel like python could be better choice if I want to get a job as a developer.

[peak halo]

keep in mind that a degree in something like computer science is virtually a requirement for jobs in this space, especially now.
django is a popular option for back-end in Python.

[tidal juniper]

I want to do studies in SC later (im 22) , what about a full-stack dev position, same requirements?

[vast shoal]

For practice, or to impress them?

[barren lotus]

practice, i didnt tell them im building this

ok i kinda do, but it's just pinning it on github

[long sage]

Hi, I'm a 1st year CS student. I've got a few questions in general (than specific to Python) as how to approach the job market.

I see that everyone is doing DSA for a placement. They tell us to grind leetcode, codeforces, etc. of the like if I want to have any chance of sitting in an interview.

However, I don't get if I should solely focus on DSA for the 1st year to improve my core concepts, or build practical projects, or do a combination of both(like dsa in 1st year, till I get a grasp of core principle, then give more attention to building/collaborating in 2nd year onwards)

I don't understand the scene because everywhere I go I find that everyone tells me to just grind DSA, but I feel as if there's more to it than that, and people are stuck in a rat race

[peak halo]

I think the importance of DSA questions is overstated by people trying to sell online DSA courses.

also, programming "in real life" is pretty much nothing like DSA questions.

[pine sleet]

Do both

you'll probably take a DSA class, that should be good enough along with some leetcode on the side

[long sage]

a DSA class? as in like a course or the college classes?

[pine sleet]

a college class

most unis will have at least one DSA class as part of the degree

[peak halo]

I can't imagine how they'd stay accredited without one

[long sage]

they have it, but my college is quite bad, placments are non-existent, and based on the numerous warnings I've recieved from my seniors, I feel like i need to stay ahead if I want to get placed

DSA classes start in 2nd year
1st year is random subjects like mechanical/electrical/engineering graphics etc. with mandatory maths in both sems

and the time per sem is wildly inconsistent(1st sem was around 4 months, the teachers are telling us that 2nd sem will only be about ~ 2.5months)

[vast shoal]

Sounds like a good exercise

[barren lotus]

making sure im not rusty

i wrote too much rust and not enough ts/python in the last few weeks

[fringe sphinx]

"I see that everyone is doing DSA for a placement. They tell us to grind leetcode, codeforces, etc. of the like if I want to have any chance of sitting in an interview." - This is incomplete / misleading advice, especially for 1st year.

Breadth is what makes you a good engineer, not hyper-depth. Grinding any single thing is unhealthy. Do projects. Build things. Join clubs. Meet people, look for undergrad opportunities to help a professor.

And, in your spare time, keep cooking the DSA, just don't grind it.

[long sage]

thanks, I also had this sort of idea but the people around me made me think otherwise.

[solid parcel]

Sounds like the blind leading the blind, honestly. I see a lot of people doing CS degrees who hyper-fixate on LeetCode. They seem to get it into their heads that it's the biggest decider of who will land an internship or role, when in reality it's just one piece of the puzzle.

[long sage]

THis is especially even more true for my homeland(developing/3rd WOrld), as I'm not going to a tier 1 college and due to the overpopulation, every1 is stuck in a rat race so it's always stuff like this that gets promoted

[open ivy]

This is a similar problem to most social skills self help books out there.

Many are just BS "feel good".
A few ARE actually good.

But how to tell which ones are good?

[fringe sphinx]

The most important thing you can do over your next 3 years is meet people (professors and students), listen to their stories/experience, and think critically about what they say. Some people call this 'networking' but it's really just growing.

[open ivy]

Many people swear by LeetCode. I always viewed it as a secondary thing, analogous to times tables in elementary school.

[icy pagoda]

isn't "good" subjective here?

[open ivy]

Good as in what makes other people want to be with you and work with you and give you networking leads. Good as in how to pass interviews.

[fringe sphinx]

Problem also is 'what level of leetcode?'. Leetcode Easy should be easy. Mediums less so, but solvable. And Hards can be hard.

[icy pagoda]

sure, with self-help books and your own sentence using "you", isn't that's subjective?

[fringe sphinx]

If you're interviewing for a quant job vs web dev, it also matters

[open ivy]

Yes. Thinking about it less as "how many hards can I solve" and more as "let me challenge myself for a couple hours a week".

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I like this viewpoint. Like going to gym: get stronger every week rather than 'how do I lift 300 lbs?'

Plus doing other things to be healthy and have a productive life

[open ivy]

Social skills are subjective because it is measured by other humans making their own subjective judgements.

[icy pagoda]

so a "good" book which works for someone may or may not work for you. the best you can do here is check the majority perception and/or try them all

[open ivy]

The majority perception is vulnerable to reading books that "feel good" rather than books that actually improve how others see you, because the latter is somewhat hard to measure (I have ways to do so to a degree of accuracy, but it takes looking carefully at interactions).

AND the same issue goes for books teaching software programming architecture. It may "feel good" on paper or e-ink but does it actually help us make less spaghetti?

SINCE we all should read books, I plan on trying to nail down whatever the book is saying and do occasional A/B testing particular with software architecture self help. Treat books like a list of recipes and I find the tasty ones.

[fringe sphinx]

That's a confusing argument, is all learning measured by utility?

[open ivy]

No, not all learning is utility. It's just a common pitfall for self help books that are teaching a hard-to-pin-down skill.

[steady rune]

Yooo how to get dev role

[peak halo]

get a degree in computer science or similar, do extra stuff on campus, apply for internships

[steady rune]

Ok

No like I'm discord

[peak halo]

you're asking how to get a dev role on discord?

[steady rune]

Ya

[open ivy]

Two schools of thought, and both of them appear on this forum:

1. Mass application for jobs. IF you use this approach for AI tools and services, if properly used, are your friends. Scale is king.
2. Focusing on improving your employability. Degrees, personal projects, building social skills, a little LeetCode, etc.

Some of us value (1). But I value (2) more because I want to spend more time making myself better and less time advertising myself.

[peak halo]

I think your first point is terrible advice that makes the hiring process worse for everyone, including the person doing it.

[steady rune]

I did one

[open ivy]

Yes I explain that I value (2) instead.

[steady rune]

Ok thanks

[peak halo]

if you're not already employable, spam-applying is just spam.

[steady rune]

Ol

[peak halo]

anyway, don't look for dev jobs on Discord. you'll probably just get scammed.

you can look for open-source projects, though

[icy pagoda]

i thought you wanted to work with discord

[devout pawn]

Hello, everybody
Now I am looking for caller who speak English and other.
But main language is English.
@OctorDevil
This is my telegram account.
If interested, contact me.
And then i will share my project.

[open ivy]

This is why I am shying away from cold applications in general. They are choked full of AI slop and inflated resumes it's hard to stand out.

But when I meet someone and ask about their project, they can be pretty confident (even online) that I am a real person.

[fringe sphinx]

#1468524576479641744 If you'd like to share your peojct

[devout pawn]

Contact me, and then i will share my project and idea

[open ivy]

@peak halo another reason to hate all the AI spam applications:

https://www.reddit.com/r/managers/comments/1o22eop/drowning_in_ai_slop_applications/

[peak halo]

sounds kinda sus.

[fringe sphinx]

That's not how this server works.

[devout pawn]

@OctorDevil
This is my telegram id.

Now i have some bidders

So if someone collaborate with me, he only handle interviews.

[fringe sphinx]

If you're looking for a job, this isn't the place. We don't do that here.

[devout pawn]

no, i don't find job.

Now i wanna hire some caller who have some web development experience

Our business model works as follows: we connect bidders and developers with projects, and revenue is generated from secured contracts. If you collaborate with us, your role would strictly be conducting interviews for candidates applying to our open caller positions. You would not be involved in sales, bidding, or client acquisition.

Regarding profit sharing, we distribute a percentage of the net profit generated from successfully placed candidates. The exact percentage can be discussed and agreed upon in writing before we begin.

[peak halo]

@devout pawn this isn't something you can talk about here. you will be banned if you mention it again.

[devout pawn]

okay, got it

[smoky quest]

we distribute a percentage of the net profit generated

They are even pulling the hollywood accounting trick, on top of misrepresenting themselves to clients

[main tundra]

Ai is booming ai can literally make every needs to a business website then why do I need to learn code . Can anyone give me realistic answer ?

[smoky quest]

yes

Realistic, definitely. Will it match the reality? Probably not.
Though it does depend on the question

[smoky quest]

It's not because a channel is noisy that you should ignore it.
You should still spend some time with the main and most popular way to apply to jobs

[main tundra]

So can u give an answer

[smoky quest]

answer to what?

[main tundra]

Why should I learn code

[smoky quest]

Your choices will be a function of that picture

[main tundra]

In this ai era, btw I am a beginner did completed the basics made some logic games and made a wpm tester using curses

[main tundra]

I don't really care how I feel i have dream to retire my parents from this shity 9-5 jobs and become financially free

what u have learnt in python

[uneven moat]

Is a master's degree necessary to get a job?

[next plover]

nope

knowledge is whats required and ive met masters in cyber who dont know what a DMZ is

[uneven moat]

so a bachelor's is enough? Sweet!

[next plover]

yeah sure

i got a job with an associates so apparently anything is possible smh

[near ocean]

then don't

[molten perch]

Hello

Whats up

[solid parcel]

I know plenty of engineers who are landing roles via cold applications. This is in multiple countries, and for roles ranging from service desk through to CTO. AI does mean there's more noise to cut through, but it's still worth doing imo.

The latest fed data on open roles for software engineers is also positive. c. 14% up YoY going by the February numbers

[open ivy]

With automation for workaday accounts and filling out address, gpa, college citizen, etc, I can free up over 50% of the time.

Which means twice the human: stuff like resume, cover letter, etc. I can tweak my wording a bit to sound less like an AI.

Between portfolio and social, which is time well spent, I don't have that much time. But it won't hurt to send a few once my website is up to snuff.

[open ivy]

As long as it doesn't eat up too much time or energy. Getting stuck in a doom loop isn't good for self improvement.

[quasi storm]

im looking to learn python but it lwk gets boring everytime i try ;/

not that anybody cares but k]

[open ivy]

What made you pick programming?

[quasi storm]

idk ig friends

[open ivy]

What was cool and awesome about the friends programming? Did they show you stuff?

[quasi storm]

what do u think

[open ivy]

From a young age I loved how tech came alive. Both mechanical stuff like marble machines and computer programming. Somehow lines of text turn into 3D worlds to explore. That is what hooked me for life.

[smoky quest]

Then don't apply to jobs that use workday

[smoky quest]

Some people do, some people don't care about these things.
It's up to you to map your goals and desires to that chart. It will help you prioritize things

[smoky quest]

Being more educated can only open more doors and increase your opportunities.
Some jobs will require a masters or even a phd. But it's not required to get any job

[true harness]

it depends on the domain

[open ivy]

I am not a fan of cold applications, BUT lots of people seem to like them. So let me humor them and give my attempt at rising above all the AI slop:

"How do you go about writing clean code?" (a common question but more likely you will be asked about SCRUM or whatever).

So how do I not sound like a generic LLM? My attempt:

"No one likes sphagetti monsters! My code quality tanks when stressed or tired. But I can give myself breathing room and support my team in refactoring efforts as we navigate the trade-offs between the different design patterns."

"What do you do when a customer is angry at a bug?" (the person paying you is always right...)

My anti-LLM attempt: "Oh no... this is a tough situation. Let them vent. Painful but quite good at making them feel sheepish that they ranted at some random stranger. Then, respond with compassion. If you cannot fix the bug (due to time constraints) try to guide them to less of a corner case. Afterwards, thank your frontline tech support team because yes they go thought a lot!"

"Tell me about yourself" (don't you hate this one!)

LLMs can be prompted by "you are a ...". My human-proof attempt: "Professional or personal? Programming blends both, the business case of making a useful product and the personal satisfaction of getting something off the ground and then getting it to work well. But don't we all want to talk about ourselves? Feel free to ask me more during the interview!"

Do these sound "not like an LLM" enough while also answering the question and not being too obnoxious? Being bot-claimed isn't fun.

[smoky quest]

"No one likes sphagetti monsters! My code quality tanks when stressed or tired. But I can give myself breathing room and support my team in refactoring efforts as we navigate the trade-offs between the different design patterns."

You made it about yourself, not about how you generate value

You also haven't described how you go about writing clean code

[solid parcel]

Not like an LLM, but you seem to be overly focused on showing personality, to the detriment of the contents of your answers.

[smoky quest]

My anti-LLM attempt: "Oh no... this is a tough situation. Let them vent. Painful but quite good at making them feel sheepish that they ranted at some random stranger. Then, respond with compassion. If you cannot fix the bug (due to time constraints) try to guide them to less of a corner case. Afterwards, thank your frontline tech support team because yes they go thought a lot!"

Having compassion is a great start!
But you need to follow up with what you will do about it. For instance, how do you know it is a bug? It is the right bug? How it impacts the customer? What can be done about it? How would the customer know if/when the bug is being addressed?

[smoky quest]

yeah +1

Too much efforts on trying to show personality but the answers to questions still need to be provided

[solid parcel]

Your answers feel like they've got the seeds of something solid, and just need a little work to refine them.

[open ivy]

With automation on the tedius stuff (including workaday if I can automate it, as it filters out lazy bots), I can really focus on these.

The trouble is, how do I know that they are bad answers? This lack of feedback puts the damper on my desire to cold-apply, so I will not do that much of it.

[smoky quest]

that's the Knowledge/behavior/experience part.
You will know what is good/bad code through:

• Books about craftmanship
• Experience through feedback you got on your projects/PRs
• Experience through having to work with code bases

You should not have to guess what is writing good code. It's not a trick question

[solid parcel]

Right, I'd be looking for a couple of sentences talking about design patterns, starting from requirements, avoiding premature abstraction and so on.

And touching on having clear guidelines for the code review process, coding standards for the team, leveraging linters, implementing testing into CI for short feedback loops... All that good stuff.

Basically approaching it through a lens of people, process and tooling

[open ivy]

I asked Google Gemeni and it basically does that.

The trouble is that it is a broad question. I do have quite a bit of experience, of course we all can always improve. But to condense it for a job app question, in a way that doesn't turn into generic LLM-like slop, is hard.

Kind of like asking "what strategies did generals use in warfare" when in the real world no plan survives contact with the enemy and you have to keep adapting.

[smoky quest]

no. It's not that deep.
These are basic questions a professional should be able to answer completely under 20min on their own

[open ivy]

Well I failed. So this "should have human skill" I don't, at least for now, even though I have many times refactored code and made it cleaner.

[steady violet]

^

[smoky quest]

So what? That's it, you cannot learn from it and grow?

[steady violet]

any type of design question like that you should be able to answer without prep imo

like if you have to prep for it it just means you dont rlly know what youre doing

[smoky quest]

I would say prep is useful to put your thoughts in order

you should have an answer, but making sure the answer is organized would require a bit of thought

[open ivy]

Learning cold applciation skills is hard for lack of feedback.

BUT social skills I do feel noticeably better than 6 months ago, for both curation and conversation, from all my time spent reaching out. Sadly, they don't really cover these generic job application questions.

[steady violet]

if someone asks me: "explain this design choice from (any project from my github)", provided i briefly reviewed the project before the interview id be able to go into detail about the decision

[solid parcel]

When they're looking at answers, they'll likely be glancing through looking for keywords and a little about your thought process.

Basically a 1,2 check of A) Does this person know vaguely what they're talking about? and B) Based on the focus of their answer, what level of maturity do I think they're operating at as an engineer (i.e. is this a senior candidate with some awareness of the bigger picture?)?

[open ivy]

That is a much better question to ask in my opinion (for the purposes of differentiating people)! Because it is "what did this person specifically do" rather than a stock question which has a stock answer. There is still luck because something may work well for project A but be an antipattern for project B but overall it is more meaningful.

[smoky quest]

this is not cold application skills. These are warm up questions in actual interviews

[steady violet]

yeah i wish interviews were more design focused. i find learning designs and architecture are much more beneficial to your knowledge than leetcode algorithm slop

please implement topological sort in O(1) time with a hyper-optimized quantum b-tree monotonic data structure!

[abstract adder]

Is anyone willing to give some resume feedback? I am data engineer / AI oriented and I’m not sure what I should be focusing on right now

[steady violet]

just send it here so everyone who views it can give feedback

[abstract adder]

It doenst look like i can upload here

[steady violet]

you can send images here lol

[fringe sphinx]

In most recent job, did you code?

[abstract adder]

Nope, and I won’t lie about that either

[steady violet]

what did u do

[abstract adder]

Production support maintaining apps by implementing updates, DAG management, and file transfer setup

[solid parcel]

Were you mainly doing support/ops ClickOps work?

[abstract adder]

Yes, tech support. No dev support

I’m not really sure how to shift .. I’ve been going for certs and stuff since 2023

[solid parcel]

I think you're making a mistake leading with education and a bunch of certifications rather than the actual 3+ YoE that you have. I'd recommend looking at a few CV templates- your actual experience doesn't start until 80% of the way down the first page.

Your bulletpoints also read like responsibilities rather than outcomes. Reading through, it's not clear why I should care about them. You mention being part of investigations - what impact did these have? You talk about keeping systems compliant - with what specifically? If you've got experience with something like PCI DSS, for example, mention it! Make it clear what you've achieved, and what value you'd bring to a team.

[abstract adder]

Thank you. I’ll make these changes and come back

[solid parcel]

Where possible, quantify things. It's okay to guesstimate (as long as you're not BSing a number you'd flail to explain if it was questioned)

[open ivy]

I am hopeful that my nuanced profile will eventually land in a niche place where the tech industry needs workers.

[shy sigil]

i mean, after a lot of back and forth im pretty much just building things i like working on
ive already come to realize that that shows capability and it doesn't have to be exactly the tool used in the job
of course it would be ideal if the candidate happened to exactly have used the tool/framework for a project of theirs that is also used in the job, but that's not their hiring criteria?

but i'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter. does it matter that all my projects are in python, and are random tooling stuff and games?

[mint violet]

Can someone help me? preferably someone who graduated from CS. I am interested in CS and everything about it but I am scared because I do not know if coding is a skill to be learnt or something you need to have an affinity towards, and how is the market? Because from what I hear it is very bad

[steady violet]

What are you expecting to be told that you haven’t already read online?

People here who are employed as SWE will tell you the market is still alive and there’s definitely a demand for competent engineers, but the bar is a lot higher than it was a few years ago

[lost walrus]

I honestly feel like I’m just air in the job market. I’ve tried to do everything right, but getting a job feels impossible. I’m in debt and hopeless. I truly would not recommend this to anyone because it’s very likely you will ruin your life.

[lilac yoke]

Share a resume

[lilac yoke]

I don't recommend Computer Science to people unless they can demonstrate they have a true passion for it. And out of those people, I do not recommend any of them aspire to be a web developer, find a better niche.

[fickle epoch]

anyone here code python? i need help asap for a small thing please dm me if u do

[lost walrus]

Thank you, but I do not require anyone to explain what I or my resume should be. I am fully aware of where I stand, as well as the realities of the market and its expectations.

[fickle epoch]

anyone here code python? i need help asap for a small thing please dm me if u do

[smoky quest]

how does it relate to career?

[smoky quest]

If you don't get called back, then it would point at an issue with your resume not standing out comparing to the competition

[smoky quest]

Have you tried coding? Did you enjoy it?

[fickle epoch]

please i beg u im about to close a 5k dollar deal but i found the smallest bug ever

[smoky quest]

Just ask in the appropriate place

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[lost walrus]

Thank you, but I have pretty much chosen to move into a field where I need not beg for work like a dog, nor labor like one. I still have a little while to play at being a senior-level professional with the help of Codex, but soon I will leave this five-year chapter, squandered as it was, behind me.

[balmy mural]

Man, I'm a medior that's actively applying and I definitely don't feel like I'm begging for work like a dog

[plucky cipher]

I want to earn some money as a beginner..is it possible or i have to wait 4 to 5 months of increasing the skill level

[balmy mural]

You probably have to wait more than 4-5 months. Most people get a job after a 3-4 year degree

[plucky cipher]

degree is a lot..
i don't have a CS degree...
i know it is difficult to compete with thise who have a degree.
But i want to do this...as it is the job that can be done part time and pays good

I have a health issue...
so i can't go everywhere for training...i need something that i can do from home

[plucky cipher]

atleast internship?

[smoky quest]

A degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[balmy mural]

Internships are generally for people who are actively doing their degrees

[smoky quest]

yeah, internships are for helping students discover what is the working world and what it means to have a job. Not being a student, you don't need that

[balmy mural]

There are online universities if going to a campus isn't possible at all. You just have to do a bit of research and make sure they're accredited.

[plucky cipher]

so online degree should work?

[plucky cipher]

then what is the nominal road

[smoky quest]

A degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

that's the nominal road

[balmy mural]

An online degree would work. But as I said, do some research, make sure it's an accredited bachelors of science and not just a random 1 year diploma

It's not as good as an in person degree, cause one of the biggest pros of an in person degree is the networking oppertunities you have available to you

[plucky cipher]

so how do i increase the network without doing a degree in the physical college...maybe here?

[balmy mural]

Go to tech meetups, conferences, etc.

[lost walrus]

There is always someone who feels compelled to question another person’s subjective experience.

[balmy mural]

Didn't even ask you a question. Was just sharing my own experience as well.

[balmy iris]

@arctic current Wsup Bud

[solid parcel]

Give it a break, your first post jumped from your anecdotal experience to 'I truly would not recommend this (career) to anyone because it's very likely you will ruin your life'.

You weren't just sharing your own experience, you were drawing a very strong, negative, pretty damn concrete conclusion from it and presenting it to someone looking for guidance as if it were reality.

It's pretty laughable to do that and then act like a victim when someone else does something as tame as merely saying that their own experience does not align with the hugely negative one you're portraying.

[turbid bobcat]

you sound burned out. idk the details of your situation but could be good to take a break if that's a possibility

like, just pausing for a week can do wonders

[solid parcel]

Coding is certainly a skill you can learn. In my experience people do tend to have differing affinities toward it, much as when it comes to learning actual languages. I'd note that there are many roles in tech that are adjacent to dev work where you still get to spend your time solving problems, but may not have to write as much code. Frankly we're also at a point now where tools like Claude Code can do a reasonable job at writing code and that is likely to continue to improve. So the relative importance of that as a skill relative to the other skills engineers need is shifting.

The market still isn't in a fantastic position, but the latest data is looking positive. YoY open roles for software engineers are up 14% YoY going by the February data, so we may be past the worst of it.

[mint violet]

yeah it is pretty fun, i would not call it my passion tho

[olive nova]

Heyy guys, I have a python interview for Data Analytics, any resources and tips are appreciatedd!!!

[mighty spire]

Oh interesting, i like coding but it is boring sometimes, and what i really like is the problem solving parts. So are back end roles with ia, getting more focused on algoritm desing as time goes on? What are your thougth?

[solid parcel]

I'm seeing a trend in engineers spending less time coding directly, and more defining detailed requirements and specifications that they can then pass off to an LLM to implement (with guidance, review and iteration from the engineer). That trend seems likely to continue. On top of that, as you progress into more senior roles you naturally spend less time coding anyway. Juniors are typically the people writing the most, whereas once you're senior+ a lot more of your time is spent discussing strategic direction, architecture, managing cross-team dependencies and so on. More thinking and planning, typically less doing!

[fringe sphinx]

I've experimented with this and not liked the results, tbh.

At current state, I'm seeing some benefits to using an LLM to build a prototype or sketch something out.

[solid parcel]

I've had mixed experiences. I'm sometimes surprised by how poorly it does on certain tasks... I've seen a fair few developers much more capable than myself having good success with it though, so my current suspicion is that learning to leverage them effectively is a skill that takes time. We shall see!

[fringe sphinx]

For example, right now, I'm doing some data exploration using a set of libraries & statistical techniques I'm not super familiar with. I've had some luck generating some proof of concepts

But this stuff just boils down to - "how to use the API" rather than anything significant.

[solid parcel]

For my part I've found them very beneficial for building out POCs and doing exploratory work, as you say. Still exploring how to bridge the gap from there to more robust, larger scale projects.

[fervent nimbus]

I'll be stepping into college for software engineering, but I'm starting to realize I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this. I'm sure that I'm going through with it, just not what field I'll focus in, if that makes sense

If y'all have any advice or insights, that'd be great

[solid parcel]

Focus on uni, build a good understanding of foundations (e.g. core programming concepts, networking, a little about how operating systems work under the hood) before you worry about specialising. Build things, then start diving deeper into the parts that interest you.

[fervent nimbus]

I think I'm stressing things too much. I've been trying to learn some things in advanced but it's honestly a bit overwhelming

[solid parcel]

I really do think this is a pretty universal experience. It gets easier once you've got enough knowledge to understand where different pieces fit into the whole. At the moment, it likely all feels quite fragmented and overwhelming

[fervent nimbus]

Just thought I'd need to find something to specialize in, since when I looked into it, there were several options like, web dev, game dev, software, data science

The uni courses I mean

[thin peak]

Yeah that is absolutely speaking
But what are you doing rn?

[dense ivy]

I am confused because I can't focus on just one thing. I used to be interested in cybersecurity because I thought it was cool, but I never took a course in it. I then look forward to a lot of other things, and everything piques my interest.

I liked the concept of LLMs, the way AI is formed. Even IoT!
I want to do everything, but I have my limitations too.

[lilac yoke]

This is not the level of specialization you want to aim for, dig a good amount deeper.

For example, if you wanted to be a game developer, you might specialize in the low level, building game engines and working with GPUs.

Or, if you want to be a software engineer, you might pick databases as your favorite nice, and spend your time writing your own database engine, Sql interpreter, learning the different kinds of indexes, etc.

Having a high specialization makes you far more employable

There’s people writing embedded systems for satellites, people writing software for defense, there’s software that Disney uses to animate Pixar movies… don’t just say you want to be a web dev or game dev.

[steady violet]

yeah university courses are entrypoints to those niches, but they dont delve into the niche itself

[tacit radish]

yes right

[lilac yoke]

Senior or graduate level classes do, you just have to find them

[steady violet]

meh, maybe at better universities. mine were pretty surface level

[thick cargo]

Any suggestions for this person? https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1478878395688288418
You'll have to @ them.

[near ocean]

1. Niches arent for newbies
   2,3. The gig economy is a terrible thing, nothing is realistic and they wont make money doing it

[solid parcel]

Agreed, particularly on point 2. People reach for it because it feels more accessible, but it often turns into a lot of work for very little gain

[mint violet]

Could someone tell me their opinion about ECSE (electrical and computer science engineering)? is it easy to find and a job and do they pay well?

[peak halo]

not sure about electrical engineering.
computer science/software engineering has been one of the most opportunityful and high-paying careers. and it still pays well, but there's currently an oversupply of people seeking jobs in this space.

the unemployment rate for new CS grads is probably the lowest it's ever been

[mint violet]

ECSE is a bachelor degree of its own, so im not sure if its considered as computer science

[mint violet]

yeah i wanted to originally major in CS but the statistics are not looking good

[peak halo]

the problem is the supply of jobs that involve programming. not the specific degree of qualified applicants.

so if an ECSE degree makes you qualified for the same jobs that CS majors are trying to get, the degree in itself won't make a difference.

[mint violet]

yeah but with a specialization in electrical, so i could go into electrical fields

[peak halo]

is that what you want to do?

[mint violet]

its more of a safety net, id rather be a cloud engineer or a data scientist

[peak halo]

data science is pretty specialized, so if your degree is focused on electrical engineering, you probably won't be able to out-compete people with data science coursework.

[mint violet]

probably, but i told you what i would want to do and this degree is like electrical engineering and computer engineering

[peak halo]

is "computer engineering" about hardware or software?

[mint violet]

hardware, and ECSE is helping harware turn into software and vice versa

[open ivy]

Are job applications and interviews asking more specific questions these days? Less "best practices for ..." and more "describe a specific example of a challenge you overcame, etc"?

[solid parcel]

You get elements of both, but yes it's common to be asked for specific examples. I remember AWS was particularly emphatic that when answering questions, it must be from real experience rather than hypothetical.

[open ivy]

That makes more sense. Also makes it harder to use AI.

[white rune]

Hi, I’m currently looking for a partner to build something meaningful together. It doesn’t require any special professional skill to get started, just consistency, good communication, and a willingness to grow something long-term. I believe we could create a stable, mutually beneficial partnership that lasts for years. If you’re open to talking, I’d love to connect and see if our goals align.

[radiant viper]

Wyf

[lilac yoke]

this is #career-advice not #tinder-bio

[open ivy]

It is a valid networking strat to do game jams which simulates working with people.

However, this is not the place to find other people to work on stuff.

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> scam?

[steel remnant]

Is it possible for someone who isn't in computer science or software engineering, but who has developed projects and a portfolio, to find and build a career in software development?

[smoky quest]

Anything is possible with different levels of difficulty and likelihood

[smoky quest]

Concretely:

• Each job receives thousands of applications, most of which from people with education who spent 4-5 years to get a degree, awesome projects and great internships.

So it's a matter of having a plan to be in the top 20 among these thousands of people to have a chance.
What is your plan?

[steel remnant]

I see, well, I guess I need to develop that plan (while also working towards a completely different thing as well)

[smoky quest]

yeah, that's why it will be super difficult, but anything is possible and some people do it.
And that's also why a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[nocturne flare]

anyone here, i need some advice :<

I'' studying last year of my uni but... im so trash 🙁 i did not study much enough so now i wanna to study back from zero to done my finale project, can someone tell me how to study AI and machine learning, its my major

[smoky quest]

a good start would be going through your class again from your notes/exercises/material

[lusty lichen]

hi

[nocturne harbor]

!clban 1477947427427188868 scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @opal kiln permanently.

[ivory elbow]

I sort of did this but in the end I wasted a lot more time than if I had just gotten a bachelors. I don't regret how I did it because undiagnosed ADHD necessitated not getting a bachelors. That being said I had a lot going for me:

I had an AS CS and was a CS tutor, gifted kid, lots of interview prep, was in a better market, and had used linux since I was a kid so devops was pretty easy to pick up.

If you have to ask I would not recommend attempting to be a self taught dev

[ivory elbow]

I have not seen this level of competition for most dev positions in an MCOL US city

[smoky quest]

have you hired for software engineers?

[ivory elbow]

You know what fair point. I was going to say my referrals haven't seen this level of competition but then again they had prior CS exp and CS degrees. Also ofc I had referred them.

I don't really cold apply for jobs so that's why I said to him it all relies upon someone liking him enough

[smoky quest]

I mean, you can still ask your manager or recruiter for their experience.
Ask them about the number of applicants

[ivory elbow]

Not nearly as many as you listed but I don't have exact numbers. Also a lot of CS degrees today are questionable credentials. Not cope from me because I have an AS CS, I know a lot of kids who cheated their entire undergrad or never messed with any devops concepts, had zero meaningful projects, etc.

So I agree his chance of succeeding is very low. I always recommended pursuing the degree while they job hunt.

[smoky quest]

wow that's tough

[ivory elbow]

I've started to not take people's job search woes as seriously because a bit of research reveals they have serious problems

[ivory elbow]

Might sound callous but yeah I know literal frauds with CS degrees & most people with a BS CS I know can't explain that an array is a contiguous block of memory or os virtual memory mapping, things like that, have never used linux, so on.

[smoky quest]

A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.
If your profile isn't great, problems will get exacerbated during tougher times with more competition

[smoky quest]

oh I meant more about what you had to go through

There will always be cheaters, regardless of the degree or not

[ivory elbow]

This is why I'm also against skipping the theoretical basis for CS, I think machine arch/dsa/math & messing with linux prepared me to learn really fast, also the things I thought were a waste of time like playing videogames or reading about random topics like philosophy/econ ended up being super useful

I see a lot of kids now going down dead ends trying to get into cloud before they know basic networking and unable to read a textbook thinking they can self teach dev it's quite unfortunate

[jovial solar]

What is an AS?

[ivory elbow]

2 year degree but I had calc 3/machine arch/dsa & studied outside of school a lot

[ivory elbow]

Hopefully my rambling convinced you to just pursue a CS degree as you apply for jobs instead

I also had a friend who was a stats/math major and he had a lot of trouble learning basic CS stuff

[smoky quest]

Definitely! It's quite important too

[jovial solar]

Speaking of a cloud position I have seen entry jobs requiring experience with k8s like I never know when one would use it in a personal project

[solid parcel]

Imo it's simultaneously true that the market is in a genuinely rough place at the moment, particularly for juniors, and that the people I see with the most negative mindsets about it often have issues with how they're approaching getting hired that they are either unwilling to recognise or to engage with (usually some combination of lacking soft skills, CV quality or technical prowess).

[timid star]

K8s is not entry level lol good luck to whoever lands that job but as for personal projects anything that needs to be listening or always on you can use k8s and I would explore minikube as it’s the local development framework for k8s

[steel remnant]

I'll probably just stick to developing things on the side then

since I'm already almost done my bachelors degree and aiming for an unrelated masters degree

[lilac yoke]

sometimes you need to make a project around using a specific tool so you can teach it to yourself

for example, you could make some “PDF to text” api endpoint and over engineer the shit out of it with message queues, scheduled tasks, ingress controllers with nginx, Prometheus for observability, etc then throw it on AWS

[timid star]

Definitely do this but also use IAC (terraform, cloud formation) if possible so you can easily spin it all down so you don’t rack up a huge bill

[merry ledge]

in a technical interview is it ok to ask if resources like doc sheets or AI is allowed? Surely they dont expect me to have the 5 different listed languages and their common libs memorized

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't ask. That would be a red flag to me

[near ocean]

You can probably ask for docs but if you asked for AI that would be a straight no from me

[next plover]

Bad impression fs

[near ocean]

No googling either, they shouldnt ask you something you'll find on stackoverflow

[oblique kraken]

I'm looking for collaborater

[merry ledge]

i dont work with CLI string input ever. I do not know how to do the buffer stdin parsing nonsense in low level languages

that is something an AI would do for me if i ever needed it. Asking me to do it from scratch is like making me do long division by hand

[near ocean]

bro ai is a handful of years old, what did you do before that

[vast shoal]

In my experience they don't generally ask for things that'd require you to look up very specific API details. The stuff you get asked in a technical interview is stuff that you should know from memory.

Conceptual knowledge rather than minute technical details.

[fringe sphinx]

What kind of position are you interviewing for?

I wouldnt hire a mathematician who couldn't do long division by hand, just as I wouldn't hire a SWE who couldn't reverse a string

[smoky quest]

Anything on your resume is fair to ask about and expect you to be able to answer.
If you can't answer to that, then it implies you exaggerated your skills across your entire resume and puts everything into question

[merry ledge]

i just had a round 2 and the guy said he didnt even know what i applied to and his team wasnt hiring but he was told to interview me. Is this normal for big companies?

the first one was another technical interview for a team that wasnt hiring

[smoky quest]

It does happen that people get sick and others have to sub for them at the last minute

there can be all sorts of valid or invalid reasons for it

[merry ledge]

no it wasnt a sub

both interviews were with senior engineering managers that had been planned ahead but i apperently wasnt interviewing for either of their teams

[lilac yoke]

I once failed an online screening because I had never once accepted input from the console in Java lol. I'm sure that with real people in the loop they would've told me the API to do so.

[smoky quest]

Then we can't really guess why as we lack the information to make that determination

[merry ledge]

so multiple rounds of technical screenings with teams im not even interviewing for is not normal for large companies?

[smoky quest]

it is normal

it can happen for any number of reasons

[merry ledge]

it wasnt a sub, it was scheduled a week in advance

[smoky quest]

there are other valid reasons

[merry ledge]

btw ty for telling me to include analytics on my resume. The round 2 person directly asked me about my code coverage ❤️

[smoky quest]

glad I could be of help!

[solid parcel]

Hell yeah, good to hear! I remember having that conversation with you a couple of weeks back 😁

[dim kiln]

On what?

[oblique kraken]

do you want?

[trim crypt]

Are you currently building anything? Presumably for your portfolio since this is for #career-advice

[oblique kraken]

what do you want?

[trim crypt]

I want you to answer my question

[oblique kraken]

or do you want my help?

[oblique kraken]

I'm working on my blockchain project

[trim crypt]

Are you looking for a collaborator for your blockchain project? Can you tell us more about your project?

[oblique kraken]

before I reply, let me know about you

[trim crypt]

If this is how you communicate with potential collaborators, it would be difficult to work with you. I wish you best of luck all the same.

[oblique kraken]

got it

[queen pebble]

Trying to learn how to implement python into my current job requirements which mainly involve sequel but I have a ton of saved sequels for menial tasks I would ideally like to automate in the future. I am currently taking a Dataquest course (for the certificates). My current job would be what I describe as “intro to data analytics” . I have 3 months of sequel experience but some of them are relatively in-depth so I wouldn’t claim to be a pro but want to continue to build these skills.

[hushed crane]

How am I supposed to get a job when all the jobs I applied to has 100 plus applicants for 1 position 😂😂

[smoky quest]

be the best 👍

or on the upper side of the pool of candidates

<@&831776746206265384> spam

[icy berry]

remove this please

[opal bay]

I am interested in improving my skills

[runic fog]

oh sorry guys! lemme delete

[icy berry]

please dont use our server for advertisement

[smoky quest]

First of all, I assume you mean SQL. Sequel is deeply confusing to read.

But to answer your question, I would suggest to do some analytics based on data with libraries like pandas that can be used to do some aggregation and reporting. It can be a good start to practice your python in the context of data

[barren lotus]

lol i thought sequel was some language ive never heard of

[smoky quest]

or a screenwriter for a movie

[barren lotus]

the interviewer was pretty honest with me: do you know why you can't get an interview? it's because people think the major is lousy. i know because i graduated from biomedical engineering too

[smoky quest]

I can't speak to what another biomedical engineering might feel about it.
But people outside of it have no reason to have any special opinion. Biomedial/biotech is usually thought as pretty cool/advanced

[barren lotus]

haha yea

[queen pebble]

Thanks for the advice do you have a suggestion for an IDE to use with this specific application I have briefly looked into PyCharm? I would like to add that yes I did mean SQL and apologize for the difficult reading.

[smoky quest]

Probably best to ask in #data-science-and-ml

[queen pebble]

Twill do

[smoky quest]

There are also jobs at the intersection of all of this. I know because we hire people like that

[barren lotus]

heh unfortunately im not phd so no chance

[smoky quest]

you don't necessarily need phd

[barren lotus]

there are some majors that are so hyperniched people are only really looking for phds

[smoky quest]

there are plenty of sorts of jobs out there

the difficult part is to know they exist or to find them

Like I remember that internship about working on 3d blood splatter simulations for the police

it does make sense, but how can a student even fathom it exists

[lilac yoke]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dexter-zesmhmdi-zesbrevv-sZEl1yTi26mJzrI4VN

[barren lotus]

feels like it's too chaotic to be able to be accurately simulated. you can probably approximate it

[smoky quest]

No idea, I didn't do it. Gore aside, that sounds like a pretty cool technical project to work on

plus making the world a better place

[torpid junco]

Print("Hello")

[hushed crane]

Job market so bad I registered my own LLC 😂😂😂

Seriously, one job posting I saw had >700 applicants 😂😂😂

[peak halo]

on what website? because applications on websites like linkedin that make it easy to apply get spam applications.

[hushed crane]

Job boards

[peak halo]

I'm asking which website specifically.

[hushed crane]

Linkedin

[peak halo]

I used Google Jobs during my job hunt, and then applied on the actual websites for the companies

but regardless, the job market is pretty shit right now. you might have more luck if you comment on linkedin posts and stuff and attract people to invite you to apply for their positions. because recruiters/hiring managers are also struggling with application overload.

[hushed crane]

I applied on all job boards

[hushed crane]

Yes the "interested" replies on linkedin were in the 700s 😭

[peak halo]

right, but I'm saying that if the people at that company invite you to apply, they'll know to actually look at your resume.

they might not even look at most of those 700 applications, because most of them are probably AI trash

[hushed crane]

Yes who has the time to look at them

[fringe sphinx]

Many of them get filtered immediately: location, degree, experience, obvious fake

I would emphasize/target local companies if you can

[hushed crane]

I can and I have

Sadly the largest tech company went under because the CEO caught faking data to investors and was jailed for it.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh that sucks

[fringe sphinx]

And I know this is very generic but: work your network. Friends of friends of friends. Don't need to make it a 'job search', just make the effort to have coffee or lunch with people and ask them their work story and advice

This surprisingly leads to opportunities

But also is good for personal growth and learning

[merry ledge]

does it look less bad to have a resume gap or leaving the company you worked at as an intern shortly after you started full time?

[vast shoal]

I mean, they are gonna ask you about it

I think it might be ok if you have a good explanation for it that doesn't make you look like the problem. But I guess if there's enough competition, anything that raises the likelihood of you being a problematic hire could be detrimental.

[merry ledge]

i dont exactly have a lot of options here

i will likely have to choose one

[vast shoal]

Choose one what?

[merry ledge]

reject the return offer or quit after 4 months

[vast shoal]

Why?

[merry ledge]

i don't like the company but its the only place i can find a job currently

[vast shoal]

You dislike it so much that you're willing to undermine your resume over it?

[merry ledge]

what choice do i have

[vast shoal]

Continue working there for a while?

[merry ledge]

and hate the next 2 years of my life?

[vast shoal]

Why do you dislike it that much? Is it boring? Are you being bullied?

[merry ledge]

their entire business model is an ethics violation, i wouldn't be doing work i am interested in, and its in the middle of nowhere

[vast shoal]

Is the work completely different from your ideal career? That is, will it not help you find the kind of work you actually want to do?

[merry ledge]

its adjacent but not directly applicable

for instance I do python but my ideal career involves no python

[vast shoal]

Ok, but you still want to do software development?

[merry ledge]

not really, SE1 are gonna get yoinked by claude
i want to specialize

[vast shoal]

Well, I think it would be smoother for your career if you took this offer and looked for new opportunities while you're still employed.

Rather than reject the offer and look, or quit and look.

[merry ledge]

ye I would be working there while applying and not quitting until i have a different offer. But that would still put a 4month job hop on my resume

[vast shoal]

I think if you have a 4 month hop followed by a 3 year hop, that's probably not a big deal.

Having a sequence of 3 4 month hops would be catastrophic though.

It's fine to change your mind once if you prove to be reliable after that, but you don't want to come across as flaky.

[solid parcel]

Imo trajectory also matters significantly. There's a big difference between being capable and targeted enough to rapidly climb, and merely bouncing around between short stints at the same level

[smoky quest]

Always go to the layer above.
Specializing in python would not save you from an aleged Claude apocalypse.

[merry ledge]

yeah i dont want to do python

[smoky quest]

it still beats not having a job/income/experience

It's not about whether or not you could do it or would be good for a given job. It matters a lot if you have built the experience for it

[fringe sphinx]

Is specialization the correct response tho?

[merry ledge]

do you think there is a better response?

[hexed oracle]

Hi guys,
I have just started CS(Python) and was wondering if free courses from Harvard University are really good? For understanding, there are a lot of YouTube channels, from which I can learn coding, and can they help me later in my resume? And yeah I'm talking about free certificate not the verified one.

[fringe sphinx]

Generalization

[merry ledge]

why?

[fringe sphinx]

What skills do you think hiring managers want from an entry level hire?

Are they looking for an expert who knows a lot about one thing, or someone who can take on a wide range of tasks?

I've never hired a 'specialist' into an entry level position: I look for people with breadth of experience

Breadth and experience of a college grad, not that much more... a few projects, able to talk about a few diff things etc

[solid parcel]

Imo the key here is that being a specialist does not just come down to having an understanding of tooling, but how to apply it effectively. That necessitates having sufficient prior experience to evaluate tradeoffs in approach, which is lacking at junior levels. It's one of those things you can't just study your way to.

[strange bane]

Yo how do i comision? I am trying to find projects to work on (I don’t even need to get paid) so i can build a reputation and skill, where do i find such servers? I am seeking advice

[smoky quest]

upwork, fiverrrr, etc.

[strange bane]

Ight thanks, I am looking for more of a community tho, are there any servers I can join?

Also other payment methods I’d like to use are robux

[solid parcel]

With a bio like yours, I'm not entirely convinced this will be that community for you, to put it lightly

[strange bane]

I am what I am, I am just looking for servers to work in and find people into programming, not politics debates.

[fringe sphinx]

Advice: if you're looking for jobs, experience and people to work with: don't put hostile stuff in your profile. Leave your personal beliefs out of your professional workspaces

[strange bane]

I don’t find my bio to be hostile in any way.

[fringe sphinx]

My coworkers don't know my politics, because I don't tell them. Except for the occasional discussion about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[fringe sphinx]

You're disclosing things you are against, things that have nothing to do with programming or technology. That immediately would disqualify you from any team I manage.

Again, this is professional advice I'm giving. I don't care about your beliefs.

[strange bane]

Ah alright, thanks for the advice

[fringe sphinx]

It's also why people should have separate professional and personal social media accounts

[runic moss]

What advice would y'all govrvyo eojeobe egobw kigery like playing with their life don't obowcehsy they're gone for next she just like loving life we uvld,m

[smoky quest]

!rule 4

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[solid parcel]

I've seen them talking coherently previously, so I'm pretty sure this is just a typo filled travesty, lol

[smoky quest]

im happy for them tho, or sorry that happened.

[solid parcel]

Indeed

[ripe dove]

where would you advice me to start out on coding ( i’m completely new )

[fringe sphinx]

Start with this pinned message #python-discussion messagep

[hushed crane]

My classmate who has 3.95 GPA and two internships is still unemployed wtf......

[lost glade]

Hi guys to become a maybe a quant trader, would you need to specialise in Data Science or Artificial Intelligence? I mean not really permenant on wanting to be a quant trader but just to be involved in the fintech world. Anyone have experience in this?

I cant really grasp the difference on what you will learn in Data Science and AI since isnt both Mathematics and dealing with huge huge data sets.

[next plover]

can they code?

earlier today ned said one of the core python devs is a HS dropout

evidently skill is not tied to academic achievements

and also the market is horrible right now

[steady violet]

yeah but unfortunately skill isnt tied to opportunities either

some of the worst programmers i know have jobs at palantir and lockheed martin. just because they either use ai for all their interviews, go to tons of events and constantly network, or both

[next plover]

True

My point still stands though

[slender reef]

Exactly

[smoky quest]

Correlation is not causation.

Note also that the ability to get a job is not solely tied to the GPA. It depends their ability to communicate their value (ex: resume), behave in interviews, etc.

[mortal wedge]

Does anyone have any advice for applying to positions that you're sort of uh.... overwhelmingly overqualified for?

I have a strong lead for what's an entry to mid level position in IT. I'd like to work and get an income while I'm still pursuing roles that fully utilize my talents, but I'm worried about being disqualified on the basis of being a flight risk.

Do you just like.... dumb down your resume and/or remove some qualifications? Or what?

And what should I say when asked why I'm interested in the job.

Because I'm pretty sure answering that honestly is a trap

[still condor]

!ban @runic fog You were already told not to advertise on this server.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @runic fog permanently.

[buoyant tinsel]

🎂 ME HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[peak halo]

I hope it's a good one! But this is the career discussion channel on python discord.

[sly adder]

Sameeeee

[last moat]

i am working on freelance platform but its a dry season and most client ghost me after interviews. By creating engaging posts, sending connection requests, and increasing visibility on LinkedIn, can we expect recruiters to send us messages for interviews? is it good strategy to increase visibility on linkedin?

[grim lynx]

hi im new and im trying make a roblox bot but is to hard for me can somone hel me pls?

[vale knot]

I'm here because it's my first text programming language

[polar raptor]

hiii

is there anyone here who can help me learn python

????

[unkempt scroll]

C+ job or Python jobs ,which are hired quickly off the market?

[summer roost]

Most jobs require you to know and use multiple languages. I use both C++ and Python (and several other languages) at my job

[unkempt scroll]

wow , how long did it take you to be good at them?

[summer roost]

I learned both while in university, and got a job pretty easily after graduating with a Computer Science degree

[unkempt scroll]

ok ,I am a freshman

How did you schedule your time ?let me follow

[livid bluff]

Is someone into Data analysis?

[turbid bobcat]

yes

[prisma breach]

are there any chances to make something out in the (ai implementation) field without degree?

[ashen grove]

Hey guys, where would i be able to present a PPO agent for academic papers?

I been working on it for some years now, and im having better result then the top end academic papers, my Saliency map is better, my R:R shape is better, my Winrate is same as theirs, but my RR is like 0.5 better and my Saliency map is way better, with features hitting 100 % all the time, and MFE on 86 % in crypto market over multiple years.

[peak halo]

you can always submit the paper and see what reaction you get. if they reject the paper, you can submit it to a different journal. but don't submit it to a predatory one.

[ashen grove]

I get what you mean but do they just take all (like can all just submit) i thought you needed a professor or something to co sign it or something to even be relevant for em to even look at it...

I ofcause properly could go thought some Uni here in Denmark first... but dunno honestly.

[peak halo]

yeah, it's not likely that they'll accept it without you having an affiliation

[ashen grove]

Thats the problem... like they properly get 1000s submitted pr year or even months... so to actually be relevant out of the 1000s. I guess ill try contact DTU on monday, and see if i can get a professor to look at it, and maybe have him help me futher... cause everyone who seen the results etc say i should sign it up for academic papers...

[iron token]

yes i am

[livid bluff]

Can you come into dms please

[iron token]

sorry cant rn i am playing cs2

[rich scaffold]

me

[fringe sparrow]

can i ask for what the possible careers for python because im willing to learn programming and python will be my first language

[peak halo]

There are lots of branches of software development that can use python to varying extents. Virtually all of them require a degree in computer science or similar. Especially if you want to go the AI route, which is the one that uses python the most.

[fringe sparrow]

hmm could you work like remotly is there jobs that offer remote work?

[peak halo]

Fully remote jobs are pretty rare, especially for entry level jobs. And everything I just said still applies.

[fringe sparrow]

and i think ill go to software developement branch

[peak halo]

Are you in high school or what?

[fringe sparrow]

bcuz im sure that i cant get a CS degree any soon xD

[fringe sparrow]

yeah in highschool i learn about finances and accounting things

though got motivated by a video where someone making money remotly by building API's and stuff so yeah

[peak halo]

Doing well in school, and especially math, is the best thing you can do right now to position yourself for CS

[fringe sparrow]

yeah indeed there also online cerfiticates if i reckon?

[peak halo]

They're not an alternative to getting a degree.

[fringe sparrow]

it seems for my country i need a high score to enter CS as an undergrad because my branch rarely get accepted in CS

but yeah self learning is not wrong either it gives experience aswell 😛

[stoic eagle]

Can anyone give me tips on how to build career from india (honestly i rlly wanna get a job overseas) I’m in 9th grade

[rich scaffold]

how do I get a job

Can somebody get me a job rq I can code with Ai and I know some python

[fringe sphinx]

You get a job by applying to jobs. That means preparing a resume. Which, for software engineering, requires some demonstration of knowledge.

[rich scaffold]

I can prolly get the job w ai?

I will get them Ai glasses you know

For when they ask me questions

[fringe sphinx]

That's not a serious question, 🙋‍♀️

[rich scaffold]

I gotta get a job rq

I'm pretty sure I can do a programmer's work w Ai

anybody here hiring?

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't hire a software engineer who didn't know how to program. AI is an assistant, not a coder.

[rich scaffold]

I'm pretty sure I can figure it out on the job

[fringe sphinx]

And no, we don't allow job seeking/hiring here

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps, but it's unlikely you'd get the job.

[rich scaffold]

bruh

salty ahh HR's

HR's got some issues

I'm pretty sure I can outsmart them tho

[spring ivy]

which country is that?

[near ocean]

Give it a try and let us know

[agile cliff]

السلام عليكم

[next plover]

Outsmart HR that's easy, outsmart a senior dev no

[smoky quest]

If you think of yourself as awesome with AI while not knowing much about the field, think about how awesomer would someone be with AI if they know how to program

Plus in terms of salary, you would not command the same salary. You would be paid a fraction of it since there would be no reason to pay you the same

[severe hedge]

can someone guide me please, i just graduated with a software engineering degree but i made a blunder during my degree duration and that was to not focus on my skills development. I was making money from odd freelance gigs on fiverr n upwork (basic content writing & graphic design) so i was just dumb to think that it'd last forever n i should just focus on this part...

now all that's gone & i got a harsh reality check that i've got nothing to do w my life... im trying to learn stuff again but there's just extreme uncertainty around everything in tech like development, cybersec, etc.... so im unable to pick a path n grind because i've fear that by the time i become expert in a thing, it might be obsolete.. so rn it feels like whole worlds falling apart around me...

can someone please guide me how to navigate smartly from this point (a bachelors in software eng but no employable skills yet) and move towards some sort of stability?

[solid parcel]

It's a rough market currently even for juniors who actually know what they're doing. I still think tech is a great career path, but you're not going to get very far if you're trying to find shortcuts rather than actually putting in the work.

[rich scaffold]

there are minimum wage junior positions

I saw some

My friend couldn't get one

( we are both majors in cybersecurity )

[next plover]

Minimum wage in cyber??

You absolutely won't get a job in that field with AI

[solid parcel]

The only thing I can imagine would be low level triage for a SOC

[next plover]

Were talking $8/h type minimum wage right

[rich scaffold]

min wage in programming

[next plover]

You're just scamming yourself if you take that

[rich scaffold]

If its ur first job tho

[rich scaffold]

wdym dude there are literal cybersecurity majors

[next plover]

I am one yes

[solid parcel]

What have you covered in your course? I'm surprised to hear you're doing a degree given your earlier messages implied you were hoping to cheat your way into a role. I'd expect the degree to mean you've actually got some reasonable foundations, so I'm not entirely sure why you think you'd need to BS your way through interviews?

If you give a little more context, we might be able to nudge you in a productive direction

[rich scaffold]

What context do I give u

Well I'm on my 2nd semester. We have covered C++ basics, computer networking basic

[next plover]

You shouldn't need to cheat then

[rich scaffold]

Now doing a bit more advanced C++ stuff and more advanced networking concepts

[fringe sphinx]

Sounds like you're on the right path then. AI should be secondary, your brain is primary

[solid parcel]

Oh so you've literally just started, lol. Yeah you won't be in a position where you're having to cheat your way through interviews. I'd recommend putting your time into properly understanding the fundamentals you're covering. It'll likely have a higher RoI than focusing solely on trying to land a role ASAP by any means necessary.

[rich scaffold]

im just tryna get sm job yea

I'll prolly end up doing black hat

[next plover]

Focus on classes and take some time outside of class to cover thing as well

[rich scaffold]

for a quick buck

[fringe sphinx]

You can troll all you want, but we're trying to give serious advice

[next plover]

I can assure you that you aren't good enough to do this

[solid parcel]

I think you're woefully underestimating both how difficult that would actually be, and the reception a statement like that is likely to get here

[next plover]

Hacking ethically hard enough I can't imagine doing it illegal for money 💀

[whole flare]

and a quick arrest

[rich scaffold]

that's not how it woks

tell me you know nothing about cybersecurity without telling me

[fringe sphinx]

Regardless, it's not a conversation for this server.

[next plover]

I'm crine 😭

[solid parcel]

Mate you're in your second semester... What is this hubris?

[runic moss]

Generally you do need BS in the relevant field to get an interview

[solid parcel]

In this context, BS = bullshit rather than bachelor's. Earlier on, the guy had been talking about how he thought he could cheat his way through interviews with AI.

[runic moss]

I'm curious how that would even be beneficial for the kind of work he'd be doing at job?

And the most important thing... even if it worked out well, I don't think one can enjoy doing this

And imagine doing something you don't like at all on a daily basis 😭

[solid parcel]

Ha, very good point.

[runic moss]

this is ot, but do you remember the first time you've been asked your salary expectations?

[solid parcel]

I believe it's come up as part of every job I've gone for. Generally speaking, recruiters confirm rough salary expectations early on in the process to prevent both you and them wasting time if you're a long way apart.

[runic moss]

How did you value yourself for the first time then? Just came up with a random number lol

Or was that based on what they gave you during internships?

[solid parcel]

Primarily by looking at industry averages for the sorts of roles and companies I was targeting.

[bitter nova]

Hey guys

I will be focusing on this topics
Python
FastAPI
PostgreSQL + MongoDB
AWS
Docker
CI/CD (GitHub Actions)

Goal: Backend + Cloud developer, remote

Will this help me land a job in big 2026

[peak halo]

do you or will you have a CS (or similar) degree in 2026?

[bitter nova]

Yes, I will graduate in 3 months with 8.5+ cgpa

[peak halo]

are you in India or where?

[bitter nova]

Yes india

[peak halo]

I don't know how the job market works in India and I don't want to mislead you, but that list of skills looks relevant. Though AWS is pretty expansive, so I would pick some specific parts of AWS. Like EC2, S3, and lambdas.

[bitter nova]

Yh same

I'm gonna pick either lambdas or EC2 depending on in which field I'm really trying to get into

I just want to crack an remote job that pays me atleast 300$ to 500$ per month

It will be enough to cover for rent food and travel so that I can focus on my main thing

[peak halo]

what is your main thing going to be?

[bitter nova]

I'm into Orderflow futures trading

Since I will be graduating off from uni in 3 months i won't have anything to support me after uni

So for stable income trying to crack backend

My main goal in life is to get Freedom + travelling

That's why I chose trading
I once tried freelancing web security but the market was bad around 2023 so quit it

[solid parcel]

FYI if you mean you're wanting to work maintaining order flow platforms, the kinds of organisations you'd be working for are notorious for wanting people on site

[bitter nova]

No, I'm a trader by choice
But I need to do a job to get a stable income

[steady violet]

why not just go all in on SWE and drop the trading stuff

[agile cliff]

السلام عليكم
في عرب ؟

[agile cliff]

عربي ؟

[smoky quest]

!rule 4

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[agile cliff]

Ok but i dont speak english good

[smoky quest]

that's okay! Neither do I

[agile cliff]

For you okay but me not like this

[smoky quest]

do your best! We will make it work

[agile cliff]

❤️ 👍

[brisk ridge]

Hey Good Evening everyone ? I hope you’ll doing great ! I’m new in this field so can we grow together

[fathom radish]

Hi everyone! I’m Mir Davood, a beginner learning Django. I’m looking to connect with other beginners to practice and maybe collaborate on small projects.

[bitter nova]

There won't be much freedom In that

[steady violet]

Lol you’d prob make more longterm from the stable income SWE provides

[solid parcel]

Not to mention c. 80-90% of retail traders lose money, and that picture gets even worse if you use a broad market index as the baseline. Even those who are profitable usually significantly underperform the market.

[turbid bobcat]

stable income and broad index accumulation are two sides of the same coin for building wealth over time. cant do away with either unless you buy a house or somethin. at which point you're stuck to a place and subject to the happenings of a single asset class

[cedar musk]

does anyone in this server work in big tech?

if you do, would you mind sharing what you did to reach where you are now?

[orchid dock]

i am pursuing bachelor's in cs and i am in 3rd year and planning to pursue master.
which is best career to choose for future safety ai/ml engineer, Data Scientist, Software engineer?

[crude drum]

hey guys, with the rise of AI that can write complex code (and this technology is likely to become more and more powerful in the future) , do you think learning to code and program is still a essential skill to master if you wanna start a successful startup ?

[turbid bobcat]

yes

[vast shoal]

I mean, it depends on what the startup is doing, and what your role in the startup is.

You could hire or partner with someone who knows how to code. It's also possible that you could get away with relatively little actual programming experience. But it seems risky to not have that kind of competence if you are selling a software product or service, if you ever run into a problem you can't solve yourself.

[crude drum]

im currently learning to code becuase i plan to build the first version of the product myself ... but im just wondering with the rise of AI that can write code, do i need to learn to code or learn how to use these kinds of AI ...

[vast shoal]

AI tools like LLMs are best understood as productivity tools for programmers rather than replacements: they automate boilerplate and speed up work, but they don’t remove the need for humans to design systems, reason about requirements, debug complex behavior, or take responsibility for outcomes. This is unlikely to change because this is due to structural limitations in current AI architectures rather than a simple scaling problem.

This is generally the case for any kind of project that's even a little bit non-trivial, which is probably going to be the case for most commercially viable projects.

So overall, I think it's the sensible and safe choice to ensure you or someone else on your team knows programming.

[crude drum]

k thanks , ill continue mastering python 3 then ... lol

[turbid bobcat]

ngl, even the clickops aspect of my workflow is automated

I let browser LLMs take me to config options and such, so I dont have to keep memorizing 30 different UIs that change from tike to time

making the changes is always me, like not gonna have an LLM add secrets to a gh repo env

but having it take me to some third party service to create an account and fill in the non critical stuff like my name email etc. very useful.

[severe hedge]

can someone guide me please, i just graduated with a software engineering degree but i made a blunder during my degree duration and that was to not focus on my skills development. I was making money from odd freelance gigs on fiverr n upwork (basic content writing & graphic design) so i was just dumb to think that it'd last forever n i should just focus on this part...

now all that's gone & i got a harsh reality check that i've got nothing to do w my life... im trying to learn stuff again but there's just extreme uncertainty around everything in tech like development, cybersec, etc.... so im unable to pick a path n grind because i've fear that by the time i become expert in a thing, it might be obsolete.. so rn it feels like whole worlds falling apart around me...

can someone please guide me how to navigate smartly from this point (a bachelors in software eng but no employable skills yet) and move towards some sort of stability?

[vast shoal]

How did you manage to graduate if you don't know anything?

[turbid bobcat]

you gonna be fine, just write some cool projects u like and stick them in your resume. stuff with CI, testing, etc

[severe hedge]

bro i dont mean like literally anything but like im not specialized in anything that i can myself for

[vast shoal]

So you did pass all your classes fair and square? You didn't cheat or anything?

[severe hedge]

yes ofcourse, what im saying is im not specialized in anything like full stack backend frontend... only like bare minimum basic of everything

[vast shoal]

Then just do some projects to put on your github and start applying to entry-level positions and/or internships

You don't have to specialize right away

[turbid bobcat]

dude the hard part is the degree

[fringe sphinx]

You may be holding yourself to some unrealistic, social-media distorted standards.

You have a degree. You can put together a resume. And you can then continue to practice (build projects) and network (talk to people) and apply to jobs.

[vast shoal]

Also, the vast majority of new grads feel insufficient and suffer from some form of impostor syndrome, it's perfectly normal and expected, but you are not expected to be a 100% fully functional professional right out of school, you're just expected to have done what's necessary to get the degree, there are tons of things you are expected to learn on the job

Everyone knows how SWE education works and everyone knows unis can't possibly cover everything or keep totally up to date with everything

[pine holly]

Less so a lack of skills, more so a lack of domain knowledge to apply said skills structurally. Repetition will build once that environment is there.

[vast shoal]

Well, yes, but there's also a gap in technical skills, unis are always gonna be behind industry standards when it comes to technical concepts and technologies.

[severe hedge]

yes i try to pick one path and just feel so left behind that i think by the time i catch up things would be miles n miles ahead

[pine holly]

That is undeniably true. Even top universities who talk to industry experts have to first talk to the industry experts applying stuff.

[vast shoal]

That's just defeatist thinking. You don't know that's gonna be the case, and it almost certainly won't be. Besides, even successful professionals don't know everything.

You only have so much time to learn new stuff, there's way too much for any one person to absorb, so you inevitably have to pick and choose to some extent.

[solid parcel]

It's totally normal to not be a specialist when you're starting out. It's okay to not know exactly what you're aiming for. Careers evolve

[vast shoal]

I just randomly applied to and got hired by a fintech company, I never planned for a career in fintech, it just happened.

[pine holly]

Brother that’s life. You were born miles and miles behind lol, many many smart people kick started shit long ago. You’re just tryna hop in and let your unique life experience and subsequent unique psychology influence whatever you are working on.

[vast shoal]

I also didn't plan to work with distributed systems, I didn't even take those classes at uni, but that's what I ended up working with anyway.

[severe hedge]

good insights, i believe it's the mindset that has been scaring me and the lack of a path i dedicate myself to

[turbid bobcat]

i also have no idea how i got here, didnt even graduate in CS lmao

stuff just happens like that

[vast shoal]

Yes, and everyone is born miles and miles behind, that is the normal baseline, the industry has to accept that entry-level hires will know very little and plan around that. Nobody is born senior and with experience.

[blissful charm]

How much does education matter realistically? I've worked in cyber security for 2y now but don't have a degree at all. I'm 21. My job revolves around programming in c++, c, python, and making security design

I sometimes feel quite lost in life

[turbid bobcat]

y do u feel lost tho

[blissful charm]

not trauma dumping but I had a hard time growing up which didn't leave room for school, alongside untreated ADHD

[vast shoal]

It's generally very hard to break into the job market without a degree, but professional years of experience will generally be at least as valuable as years studying for a degree, if it's in the same field.

[blissful charm]

Well I don't know which path to take from here. If what I'm doing will backfire

[severe hedge]

last point i need help with to get myself moving please....

how do i decide the niche, any recommendations please, like the ones that i might have a good chance in next 1-2 years if i specialize

[blissful charm]

I have 2y experience now working professionally in cyber security as software developer

[turbid bobcat]

I think ya'll taking it too seriously tbh. whichever path you choose your skills are extremely transferable to almost any other path you might be considering

theres very little to lose if youre wrong

[vast shoal]

If you stick with it and don't have any major future employment gaps and you wanna continue working in this field, I don't think you have too much to worry about

[blissful charm]

Problem is I don't have a degree. I just did highschool

[blissful charm]

well I got laid off after a company rebrand after 2y alongside many other people. Been doing nothing for a few months now apart from freelancing and refining my skills, but I'm now deciding if I should apply again, or study

[pine holly]

FAFO, development of self via various means of experience I.e. movies, travel, politics, general development of opinions from such life experiences leads to what you do and don’t want to support, all for a future you have envisioned and want to push the world towards. Just keep pushing, it’ll all happen naturally. It’s not just hard skills, soft skill, get job, get money, retire. It’s a shallow motivation that isn’t suitable for long-term growth. IMO. If you want the niche to matter to you and drive you.

[turbid bobcat]

you have work experience, I dont see why youd need a degree unless you tell me you having a supa hard time finding a job or you feel it would be a good addition to yourself for growth and stuff

[vast shoal]

If studying is an option, I guess it's basically up to what you personally feel like you want to do.

[blissful charm]

Well it's also pressure from everyone around me. People simply don't take you seriously

[blissful charm]

Well what would you recommend from the most logical standpoint? That's sort of what I'm getting at. Would the time spent doing education be worth it as to just working

[severe hedge]

very interesting perspective

[turbid bobcat]

like your colleagues at work? I personally never asked anyone about their degree. but I very well kno ppl can be idiots

[vast shoal]

I didn't go to uni because I wanted a career, I just went because I like programming and studying CS seemed super fun. That was the most logical based on what I personally wanted.

[blissful charm]

Yes colleagues at work, family, friends, parents, everyone

[vast shoal]

Point being, there's no objective right answer.

[icy pagoda]

i'd definitely respect people with work experience regardless of them having a degree

[vast shoal]

It depends on what you prioritize in life.

[blissful charm]

My question is more about: do I screw myself over by not getting a degree in the future or not

[turbid bobcat]

whats their problem tho. arent u making money? lmao

[blissful charm]

it's not about a matter of learning, more about job security

[vast shoal]

If you find a new job now, I don't think so. If you can't find a job, then maybe you're better off going to school.

[blissful charm]

They just told me I'm lucky for getting hired and then kept telling me how I'm not qualified to be there

[vast shoal]

If you were hired and kept on, you were probably pulling your weight.

[blissful charm]

it's very frustrating socially, especially even with strangers. Everyone asks me what education I did and when I tell them none I just get this weird look

[blissful charm]

They eventually let me go to save company spending and because they didn't find anyone to help me as a junior since there was no room for it. I was mostly left to my own devices

[glossy steeple]

Hello.

[blissful charm]

And yes my wage is relatively speaking very good for age and being a junior and all so it's not that

[fringe sphinx]

that is normal to me. I believe most people don't / can't plan a career career... it just happens to you.

[turbid bobcat]

if the company is happy about your contribution I'd just shrug it off as jelly ppl dragging you down

if you're having a hard time with the work itself I'd reflect on it, but without letting what others say get too much into my head

ppl will say lots of stuff, dont mean their right

[blissful charm]

Nah the job was going well in terms of programming. The client meetings and communication is what I struggled with getting no help in this front. Although I never got negative feedback or anything

I have a lot of years of experience in programming so that's not the issue I'd say. Some of the other parts of that specific job like communication and organization were a bit hard, but the company and team itself were both a mess too so yeah

[pine holly]

What drives you personally? Affects you emotionally? What field deals with it in some way, how can your skills be applied to that field.

My niche goal is microbiology: fungi, biochemical bodily interactions, kinda drug related like penicillin. Chose data science.

[turbid bobcat]

if you're getting results, that's what's real. just be sure to later write a nice shiny resume with the cool stuff you did. you'll be fine.

[fluid gulch]

Hi everyone, how are you?

[blissful charm]

Thank you. I appreciate it a lot

I'll finish my resume now and apply

[turbid bobcat]

nice, good luck

[severe hedge]

i really like this perspective of connecting your skills to something broader you care about and not just limiting it to be a web dev or xyz developer etc...

personally, I'm very driven by global affairs (defence niche and osint stuff) and follow it the most. but i have no clue how can i get into that with a software bachelors and also if that'd pay the bills or it just should be a side hobby

so im just stuck between whether if i should do xyz development to pay the bills

or just regret that I've not come into the line of work i find so much interesting (defence industry)

[pine holly]

I can say it’s not knowledge I have in order to give you an answer, but now a series of things to learn about and consider.

Maybe even a more long term plan (rough outline, can’t predict the future, just stages of progression) if it isn’t directly connected 1:1 to what answers you find. But some intermediate growth getting there to make the less desirable jobs/tasks have a personal end goal. This ties both “job now” to pay for shit cause we all need money, and a motivation on where to keep learning given what you do know.

What skills are involved in that area? What overlap is there with what is more readily accessible.

[solid parcel]

Whereabouts are you? The vast majority of techies I speak to in the West couldn't care less about education as long as you can do the job

[solid parcel]

For questions like this, I'd highly recommend looking to build connections with people in the roles you're interested in. They'll be best placed to help you understand how to break in.

[turbid bobcat]

by defense you mean defense industry? that stuff is booming rn. no signs of slowing down in europe

[turbid bobcat]

considering getting into it myself. like drone interception type stuff. destroying unmanned killing machines is good in my book

[solid parcel]

The mental gymnastics I've seen some people in defence do is crazy. Outright saying 'We only target the bad guys'

[turbid bobcat]

yea. war is hell.

[pine holly]

Just the bad guys rofl

[turbid bobcat]

like 99% of the ppl in the front lines would rather not be there and would prefer to have a drink with each other. it's horrifying how such a thing is even possible. but i get off topic.

[solid parcel]

I imagine life is far less stressful when you go through it with storybook ethics 😆

Complexity and nuance be damned

[pine holly]

Useless waste of mental energy fr🥀

[turbid bobcat]

id also be interested in helping in the logistics of facilitating enemy surrender using tech. There have been many instances of soldiers surrendering to drones and getting spared.

its a pretty hard problem tho

[fringe sphinx]

Not to be morbid, but there's a bit of selection bias there.

[turbid bobcat]

oh yea I know. I still take it as evidence that it is possible to some degree

i mean, from the perspective of a russian that has been thrown into the frontlines, I reckon they would rather be in germany than going back to heavily sanctioned russia. so the incentive is there, or can be made to be there.

[orchid dock]

!?

[blissful charm]

West eu

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps engineers don't care. But hiring managers do.

[next plover]

#python-discussion ask here

[harsh drum]

oooh, whys the wait time 18 seconds🥀

[solid parcel]

Yeah, but based on what he'd been saying earlier, it sounded like it was largely his colleagues that were judging the lack of a degree rather than it being an inhibitor during the interview process

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I think engineering is very much a meritocracy once you get in the door

[severe hedge]

yeaa bro exactly that sort of stuff, but you need solid connections to break into that

only being a good developer or cybersec expert etc wont help

[turbid bobcat]

yea u gotta be competent

but they're not exactly in any position to be turning away anyone wanting to work on this

is why billions and billions are getting injected into the industry. and as the ol saying goes, every company is a software company

[rotund venture]

hello

anyone online rn

[turbid bobcat]

yes

[noble tangle]

Yes

[peak halo]

What do you want to ask people who are online? You'll get an answer faster when you ask your actual question.

[alpine pawn]

im going to be a software dev one day, i am getting very decent at rust, and i have questions about python. should i learn python or zig after my proficiency in rust

[peak halo]

seems like Zig is intended for a lot of the same things as Rust.
but don't try to just collect languages. focus on building more and more complex stuff.

[alpine pawn]

thanks for the advice

[upbeat crest]

what u guys think abt in the future of comp sci going into ai hybrid jobs

[peak halo]

There will still need to be developers who understand how software development and maintenance works from end to end, and who can sus out AI-generated bullshit.

Not sure what you mean by "AI hybrid jobs".

[upbeat crest]

like a ai security engineer

[peak halo]

What is that?

Specifically, what does it mean in your usage?

[upbeat crest]

a specialized cybersecurity professional responsible for protecting artificial intelligence and machine learning systems its a field thats emerging

[peak halo]

Explain again what your initial question is?

[upbeat crest]

do you think that these jobs will become ore popular due to high demand but low supply

[peak halo]

I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that they're "high demand low supply", but I think the non-deterministic nature of agentic systems is another thing cyber security people will need to account for.

[upbeat crest]

then how do you think security professionals should
approach auditing non-deterministic AI systems?

[peak halo]

I don't really know, but these people do: https://atlas.mitre.org/
Disclosure: they're my coworkers in the department adjacent to mine. But we're a non-profit and I get nothing for linking this.

[upbeat crest]

thanks alot ill make sure to check it out

[jovial breach]

guys! where did u always apply for job, like which app.. also what roles

[smoky quest]

linkedin and indeed are quite popular

[faint depot]

Would it be good to start a linkedin? A few of my colleagues who Im doing an apprenticeship with, say i should start one, but idk. Im not going to be looking or moving to abother job in the next 6 years or so

[smoky quest]

If you mean a profile? Definitely. It's great to build your professional network. And by the time you prepare to change job, you will be happy to have added everyone you know to your contacts
If you mean yapping on it? Probably not

[faint depot]

Thats the issue i find with linkedin. Too many knobheads spouting a bunch of bullshit. But if its useful to further my career, might as well

[vast shoal]

I have found several jobs through LinkedIn, but mainly I just use it to keep track of my resume data

[smoky quest]

you can ignore the yapping and focus on the connections

[solid parcel]

Interesting turn of phrase, is that a fellow Brit I see? 😁

[solid parcel]

+1 to finding jobs. Even without looking, I'm having 2-3 recruiters reach out a week. Nice way to get some passive value.

[faint depot]

Oui. Job markets not great at minute in england. Thankfully, got an apprenticeship

[solid parcel]

That's how I got my start, too 🙂 The apprenticeship will get your foot in the door, which is the hardest part

[faint depot]

Which sector dod you do your apprenticeship in? Im doing a lvl 3 engineering apprenticeship within the aerospace indistry

[solid parcel]

It was a level 3 hardware apprenticeship with Essex County Council. Started September 2020, now working as a senior DevOps/Cloud engineer at Lloyds Bank 🙂

[dull belfry]

How is the job market in india?

For software development

[faint depot]

Smashed it. Im still in first year. Hoping to get into nuclear after a few years. Might a nuclear degree apprenticeship with rolls royce, with atkins as my backup

[solid parcel]

I can think of worse places to be than Rolls Royce given the current state of geopolitics 😁

[vast shoal]

!rule ad

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1227278765458198612 We don't allow recruiting or job seeking on this server. Your post has been removed. We don't allow AI generated content either.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @tulip yarrow.

[gaunt kernel]

Does anyone have any idea where upper middles and seniors network?

[peak halo]

they don't need to go to a specific place to network. they just already know each other from having worked together.
there's also conferences.

why do you ask?

[next berry]

You'd need maths, stats and some CS. DS and AI are next to useless. Quant has nothing to do with fintech either.

[tight tree]

Hi! I’d like to find django projects.Please dm me if you have one

[gaunt kernel]

I feel like I am missing out when it comes to opportunities due to the lack of contacts with specialists within my domain

[fringe sphinx]

What's your domain?

[gaunt kernel]

network switch qa automation

[fringe sphinx]

If you broaden that to, say, networking, then you could look for meetups related to cybersec, networking, DevOps, etc

In my area, meetup.com is surprisingly helpful

[gaunt kernel]

I was hoping for an online sort of thing. Actual meetups wouldn't fit me because of my limiting location. Do they do online events too?

[fringe sphinx]

It's hard to "network" in online events.

[open ivy]

Do both! If it is a long bus ride to an in-person event, you could always use the time on the bus building online connections.

Also, an online Discord group where you go once every few weeks inperson is nice.

@gaunt kernel
Don't put too much energy into events that say "networking" (as in the professional networking kind). These mostly avoid discussing or showcasing technical topics.

Surround yourselves with people who:
A. Are good people to be around.
B. Love talking about geeky tech stuff. And other things you enjoy.
C. Are open and willing to share their vulnerabilities.

[next plover]

we just ignoring channel names now huh

im a femboy

can you read channel names?

[fringe sphinx]

!ban 1207309475329871882 Scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @steep karma permanently.

[open ivy]

"Ignoring channel names" is when someone asks on this channel "hey how can get Python to set up a cloud server" or whatever. This isn't that. This is just spam.

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know what you're asking. Be respectful to others on this server. Read our #rules and #code-of-conduct

[next plover]

yes oh my god

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know what you mean. Look at the channel topic. This is #career-advice . Stick to the topic.

[next plover]

#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is the "main" Python discussion channel. If you want to talk coding, go there.

!ot

!topic

[inner wren]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:

• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Use any of the three, it doesn't matter.
The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[open ivy]

Social justice does impact career (black vs white names on identical resume study comes to mind). Personally I am interested in helping homeless tech geeks because I live in the SF Bay Area and have walked every footstep between it's major cities.

Just make sure you keep it on topic, focused on the career aspects (if you use this channel) and less about politics etc.

[next plover]

im crine

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 833541049816711179 I'm going to say this once. On this server, we're kind to each other and don't use perjoratives like that word you just used. You ever use it again here, or are otherwise hostile to another member, you will be removed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @unique star.

[open ivy]

I take it you, @Трава Гамису, are NOT interested in social justice impacting careers and how to improve things for struggling people...

[azure lava]

woah the career advice is spicy today

[smoky quest]

this is very likely to be a troll shitposting. I would ignore them

[open ivy]

Figured.

[next plover]

lmfao

[analog sun]

!cleanban 833541049816711179 good bye

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @unique star permanently.

[azure lava]

how did he expect to go far in tech being so closed minded

[open ivy]

If he is 12 years old give him a pass. We don't know his age. But assuming an adult...

Many bigots devote basically 100% of their processing power to social pattern-matching so they develop a very good superficial veneer. I met one who was at first super likable but repeatably hated on East Asians (American but from South Asians with dark skin so he got away with it for a while). Without critical thinking to filter anything he just soaked up all the racism.

Despite thier social success, I don't think these people will win long-term. Introspection, creativity, finding different paths from what we see is all crucial to stay relevant in the age of conversational AI. Detecting bias in training data isn't just about social justice. It is also vital for getting good data on whatever problem you are studying.

A key part of recruiting is to see past the surface layer and assess the person's core values and talents. Then to match them with the company. It is NOT easy, to put it mildly. Personally I really have to know the person, and as a peer not as a superior.

[gaunt kernel]

yeah but in order to filter people according to suggested traits, i need to somehow expose myself to these

also they have to be strong middle / senior level
also my domain adjacent

because I am primarily trying to target opportunities here

[open ivy]

Yes, and "networking happy hours" are not where to do it.

Where do you get exposed to these tech people? It's quieter and a bit hard to find. Go for user groups, makerspaces, forums, etc. Mix online and in-person (prioritize in-person when you get event conflicts). I am honestly not that good, but if any other forum member wants to speak out as to thier curation strategy...

[lyric scarab]

so soon i gotta pick my subjects for leaving cert (high school) and i'm wondering firstly what degrees there are to get a job that is mainly coding and what subjects you would absolutely need to do to get those degrees (obv computer science i defo need)

[gaunt kernel]

I am very socially dull. Could you please provide examples for each category you mention? Because I understand you on a high level but cannot put my finger on anything specific

I will be trying the meetup thing though

[open ivy]

I also struggle here. What you are saying is primarily a social curation issue (finding people) rather than a social interaction issue (talking to people, body language, how often to message them, etc). It's a different skill than what most people call "social skills" but it still is a social skill.

Show me list of 12 different meetups or events and I will try to judge them on how much tech geek they are.

[gaunt kernel]

I am not too much of a geek myself, and that's not what I am trying to find.

I mainly want to engage with people to understand how much they align with my work ethic and values. Frankly speaking, I have a close friend and at HIS position people "shit where they eat".

[ocean wren]

Heyy any one here in the data science field? I'm just getting started and wanted to get a heads up of how things are rn

[open ivy]

The business side of tech is easier to find than the technical side. Because it's where the money and ads go.

Meaning it's easier to find events where people advertise products and you get exposed to business and markets. Knowledge of tech is still important but you are immersed in the human world.

It's harder to find events where people are eager to share you their ideas and prototypes for cybersecurity (or whatever field) and also willing to listen to you.

(And on facebook I talked to yet another person who isn't reaching out enough to his peers)

[solid parcel]

Not sure I'd agree with this. There are conferences all over the place that focus on technical implementation and are primarily for engineers. I also find most engineers are exceptionally eager to talk shop or share their side projects, and are often interested to hear what others are up to in the same space.

[open ivy]

Don't they cost significant money? The non-technical tech events I went to were free and came with free snacks.

[solid parcel]

Ah, I do get into a fair few for free because the organisers want me there by virtue of my employer (organisers often give out free passes to engineers at high profile organisations with deep pockets, as part of these conferences is a sales pitch for the products being discussed).

So yeah, while they're reasonably useful, perhaps not as accessible as a means of bootstrapping oneself into the industry.

[open ivy]

Yes that makes a BIG difference.

If you were bootstrapping you still probably would be better than me since it is a social task not a technical task to find people. I am curious what you would aim for? Hackathons and makerspaces, game jams, etc?

[solid parcel]

Hackathons are a good shout. Orgs often sponsor them too, so can be a particularly good way to improve visibility

[merry ledge]

why do I have a portfolio and a CS degree if I have to do a 2 hour exam for every application before I even get to talk to a human?

I simply do not have time to do a 2 hour exam for all of my hundreds of applications.

why did I choose this degree 😭

[fringe sphinx]

Good, because you won't get hundreds of OAs

[merry ledge]

what is OA

[open ivy]

"Other applicant". The idea is there is less competition.

Just make sure to put at least as much effort into human interaction and into personal projects as you do into cold applications! Meeting other people at makerspaces, etc who themselves often have jobs is important in many ways. And no one knows what geeky projects you enjoy working on better than you do!

[true harness]

OA means "online assessment"

[open ivy]

Is that one way they filter out AI spam? By making tests that take lots of human attention. A human PoW.

[vast shoal]

I think it's more about volume management than specifically trying to get rid of AI, but I guess that could be part of it.

[open ivy]

Yes AI and just in general low effort apps are why the volume is so high.

[fringe sphinx]

I see it as a bit of both. Companies will first filter on criteria (keywords, etc) to reduce the pool to a manageable number. Perhaps 20 candidates, perhaps 100 candidates. They'll use an OA to whittle that down to, say, 5 or 20 top candidates worth interviewing.

[versed socket]

[jovial breach]

anyone here working or open collab in UI/UX projects?

[fringe sphinx]

I dont think any list is going to be particularly helpful, this whole idea of a linear path to success is selling snake oil

[fringe sphinx]

There's a lot of ppl in this server, why do you ask?

[jovial breach]

hey, honestly I thought the same thing at first 😅
But after failing 3 times I realized my problem wasn't effort, it was that I was solving the WRONG problems the whole time.
This list didn't magically make me smart. It just stopped me from wasting hours on problems that never show up in real interviews. Once I focused on these 199, everything clicked faster.
Passed on my 4th attempt. So for me? It worked 🙏

[fringe sphinx]

Arguably, all those other failures made you ready to fine tune. People at different parts of their journey need different advice.

And, perhaps you just got lucky on your fourth interview and did fine on the others but were eliminated for other reasons. Interviewing has a significant luck factor.

[jovial breach]

emm just looking to connect honestly! 😄
I'm currently transitioning into a new career path and building some tools around job hunting, so would love to get feedback from people actually working in the field. If anyone here is open to a quick chat or even a collab, I'm all ears! 🙌

[fringe sphinx]

Feel free to ask a question, there are many ppl who lurk here. Or if coding related, ask in #python-discussion

[jovial breach]

yes broo thats also true, agree with u..

but the point is instead of grading randomly so thats patterns really work and coming to the list of the coding interview questions, just share and if its their things they will take it 🙂

[jovial breach]

okay cool!

[upper laurel]

How bout you get on your knees instead 😏

So I can pray for you 🙏🏻

[jovial breach]

you can do it first and im next ><

[fringe sphinx]

I removed your earlier post, we don't allow advertising on this server.

[jovial breach]

first of all its not advertising, just share the things help me passed the coding interview bro.. then good u delete, lets grinding randomly 2000+++ questions🥰

[still condor]

Sharing things that you have to pay for does sound like advertising for me

When you share a slice of pizza with a friend, you don't ask them for $5. That'd be just selling pizza.

[peak halo]

!ban 702285563197390948 upwork scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @mystic pumice permanently.

[smoky quest]

Grinding leetcode is doing it the wrong way. There are far more effective ways to do it!
For instance, learning about DSA first will drastically cut down on that time

[flat swallow]

Huh

[open ivy]

As a video game LeetCode is quite good. I mean it's better than all the freemium slop out there!

But front and center to a job is, in no particular order, (1) working on projects and (2) interacting with humans.

Those two should be the lion share of your work between jobs as well. Since both skills are vital for employability.

LeetCode isn't that. Cold applications aren't that. These grinds have a role but should be limited in scope.

[past patrol]

honestly the layout looks very clean now i really love ithonestly the layout looks very clean 🤡 💯 🚀 now ❤️ i really love it

[hardy basin]

yo, luv the energy in chat, it is so contagious and i luv it. 😎 yo, luv the energy in 🚀 chat, it is so contagious and i luv it. ⭐ 🥳

[safe fog]

yooo hope dream true 🙂 🙂 👑 😂 yooo hope dream true 🥳

[safe fog]

Hey there!

[main axle]

so glad i joined 💪 so 👑 🤡 ⭐ glad i joined 👍

[main axle]

Yo! What is up?

[umbral canopy]

how cooked is IT industry rn?

do u guys still think its worth to pursue cs rn since everyone is saying how oversaturated this industry is?

[novel quartz]

Bombing non technical interviews any advice?

[grim raven]

I'm currently learning ai with python could you suggest me some yt videos

[open gazelle]

heyyy

[undone steeple]

hey guys i do selflearning i started from a year ago and i focused in Data Analyst carrer and iv learned Python Sql Pandas and i dont what to do next i want to apply for internships but i am fraide to not get anything and i got python for everybody specialization from coursera so i would be glad to hear any advice

[solid parcel]

Internships are generally intended for people at uni/just post uni rather than those without a degree. There are a few exceptions to the rule, but I think you'll have a pretty hard time trying to land an internship.

[robust hamlet]

Hi

[south void]

Hi

[next plover]

Most markets are cooked so you may as well do what you want

[balmy mural]

Practice with friends/family/network.
Practice the regularly asked questions, your elevator pitch. Do some research on the company first and have some interesting questions ready to ask them before the interview already

[turbid bobcat]

yes

[turbid bobcat]

not cooked, just undergoing a massive transformation.

[balmy mural]

Just wrapped up my first whiteboard interview. It went decently well. Pretty much aced their first question, needed a bit of guidance on the second question. Reached the right idea, but a bit of a wrong implementation on it.
Happy with how it went for a first go at it

[solid parcel]

Hell yeah, good to hear! I just got confirmation I'm through to the actual final round for the senior SRE role (after thinking the prior round was the final one 🙃)

[balmy mural]

I'm actually hoping I don't get an offer from this company. They're on the edge of what I'm willing to commute for, so if they do give me an offer, it's going to be a tough choice on accepting or rejecting. Will likely depend on the total compensation package

[ember iris]

[vernal widget]

@fickle wagon sure , its harder to crack the entrance examination , but its much easier than being a self taught student from a tier 4 college and trying to land a good job , especially in today's market
and even if you do fail to get a good college through the entrance examination , you still have 4 years ahead of you to lock in and get the job you wanted anyways

[fickle wagon]

@vernal widget

[vernal widget]

the job market is so bad currently, even students from tier 2 colleges are getting offers that students from tier 4 college get , its really bad

and being a self taught developer with hopes of getting a job on your own without a degree are pretty much closer to zero currently

[fickle wagon]

Yeah I get you. Good Jobs are near impossible without good unis

[vernal widget]

that is true
what im saying is , ANY job is hard in today's market, not just a "good job"

[next plover]

The particular university is far less important than the degree itself

[fringe sphinx]

There are other things you can do to build a strong resume besides a "good uni"

[fickle wagon]

It is important

[next plover]

Not in my experience

[vernal widget]

not really , a good top university is objectively better

[fringe sphinx]

For example, getting involved in an open source community and staying involved for a long period of time is very impressive and builds both your network, credentials and experience.

[next plover]

Great but it's not the most important thing

[fickle wagon]

If you get to top uni you get countless opportunities. Degree is less important