career-advice

[balmy sand]

And any advice like for what to use ai and how can i be helpful and beneficial being a developer? I dont get it where and what needs to be mastered in ai

[thorn jackal]

AI is kinda like computers in general, it's dumb as heck. The more specific you can be with the prompts the better results you tend to get instead of generic "build me a twitter like website". You also have to have the technical knowhow as a developer to be able to spot the hallucinations AI might throw at you, since it will confidently give you false information if you aren't careful and checking whatever it gives you.

[balmy sand]

You mean i should be problem solver, and handle mistakes and use ai to be efficient and design everything my way with its help.

[solid parcel]

The example I keep going back to is the fact Claude wanted to use user ID as a dimension for metric data... That would explode cardinality for a very marginal gain in this service. I'd expect most engineers with some experience under their belts to be able to recognise as much, but someone without an engineering background could absolutely be caught off guard by it.

Experience and judgement is absolutely still required.

[lilac yoke]

In the context of writing code, I will only prompt an LLM if I know exactly what I want it to write and I essentially want to save some keystrokes or time spent digging around a library. That means I know the theory, broad picture, and programming patterns I would use to implement it. It's a good guideline to not use an AI if you are unsure about something in the first place.

When you are doing test driven development AI really shines, so I'd encourage anyone who wants to use more AI to follow that practice of writing tests and API prototypes before writing implementation

[thorn jackal]

in essence, more or less so. Knowing system design and common design patterns will definitely help in the future, and it might become even the main task for developers in the future depending how AI development goes. Currently I see programmers still being mandatory for any serious company or project for the design and programming, but you can offload some of your tasks such as generating docstrings and tests to AI as well as some boilerplate code you might need. Especially when you get into more niche fields or legacy codebases the experience of older developers with the contextual knowledge will be absolutely essential even in the future, since there usually is a very good reason why something is done a certain way.

[balmy sand]

Yeah Understood

[balmy sand]

Yeah buddy understood :), btw im thinking after i complete a full stack course iam looking forward to add-on devops as a secondary skill

[thorn jackal]

DevOps is pretty solid stuff. I work as a QA engineer at the moment, but I would say 95% of my work is actually running the DevOps for our project team.

[balmy sand]

Ohhh thats great buddy.

[balmy sand]

Can you share me your story when you got degree and what did you start learning and became QA engineer at the moment?

[thorn jackal]

Interestingly enough, I don't have college degree yet. I graduated as a computer technician in 2009, tried finding a job as help desk analyst but had no luck, so I went to college in 2011. In 2015 I went to Japan as an exchange student to learn more about robotics and dropped out of college shortly after that. 2016 and 2017 I more or less spent trying to find work before I went to Poland to work as a help desk analyst. In 2018 I got my first QA engineer job after learning python basics in a week.

At my first client, I learned about robot framework (a very popular test automation framework in here) and docker, as well as dived deeper into python. I also got more familiar with git and learned about jenkins at this point. I also learned quite the bit about networking and software development overall in that job, also dealt a lot with embedded systems so lots of actual hardware debugging and networking as I did also maintain the test devices for the project. in 2022 I switched clients and learned about ansible and got more devOps oriented role which mostly has been maintaining the hardware for testing, keeping up the infrastructure, test library development, security testing, manual testing.

Though funnily enough, I might graduate this year, since I did go back into college to finish up my thesis to get the degree finally 😅

[marsh beacon]

Not to be funny, but I guess you are like 30-40.

[balmy sand]

Great buddy, you have worked really hard i see

[thorn jackal]

mid 30s

[marsh beacon]

Well hows life now?

[thorn jackal]

Better than being unemployed or manual labour, but I am looking into getting a new job soon-ish and moving to another country as soon as I wrap up my degree. Though if I would have 100% confidence of running paid dungeons and dragons or other roleplaying games and earning a living with it, I would go for it immediately 😄

[marsh beacon]

Well thats cool.

Have any family?

[thorn jackal]

Though, as someone who has mainly worked with larger corporations, working with a start-up could be cool and I would definitely give that a shot. Corporate has too much office politics and rules 😄

[marsh beacon]

Noted.

[next plover]

Definitely true, I suppose I'm bias as I work at a relatively large company that does not want to get breached again

[solid parcel]

Ha, and here we see one of the reasons it's so damn hard to encourage execs to invest in cyber. The best case scenario is that, courtesy of cyber being sufficiently funded and doing their jobs well, there's nothing dramatic happening at all. So often the investment is reactive, after a breach...

[thorn jackal]

Cyber security overall is one of those fractured fields when it comes to how fun it is. Corporate is absolute pain in the butt with all the certifications and regulations if you are in application security.

[marsh beacon]

Wait one question is everyone here in there 20-30/30-40's?

[manic mountain]

what do cyber folks spend most of their time doing these days? Mostly GRC stuff or projects?

[thorn jackal]

Depends entirely which flavour of cyber folk you are. AppSec does a lot of standard and regulation compliance, code reviews, fuzzing, training, etc.

[manic mountain]

the two places I'm looking at for potential internships are a big mining corpo that has its own onboard cyber team, and another is a smaller managed IT/cyber provider.

[next plover]

21

[next plover]

I do lots of attack surface and policy stuff

[marsh beacon]

That is nice to know.

[next plover]

Working to get into red teaming though

[solid parcel]

Broadly speaking, this server skews pretty young, though there's certainly a range. 25 here.

[next plover]

Give me 4 months I'm locked in so hard rn

[solid parcel]

Heh, my current goal is to get to Google as an L5. Still got to get through my Master's dissertation, so accounting for that I reckon it'll take me until the end of 2027 to be interview ready for L5.

Do you think you'll be able to switch into red teaming internally, or have to shift orgs?

[marsh beacon]

I guess I am the youngest.

[next plover]

Internally, getting a mentorship setup with them this quarter and I seemed to impress them during a CTF we did last October

[solid parcel]

Hell yeah, good luck

[next plover]

And I'm the only one in the US that would be red and so they really need someone in our timezone since everyone is offline when shit goes down

[solid parcel]

I'm surprised red teamers would be a function they'd feel the need to spread across time zones. I generally see that approach for reliability functions rather than offense.

[next plover]

We had an incident with an active exploit (not in our env but a app we used) and they really needed someone in offsec to get a better idea of how it would be exploited / if we could have been hit with it externally

That was the point they had brought up to me regarding that

[thorn jackal]

I had a job interview for blueteaming way back when wannacry just hit. It was an interesting interview for sure xD

[junior bronze]

Hi, I don’t know where to ask this but, I recently got a laptop and I wanna learn coding 💀 I already have sources to learn from but, which app/website or what ever is the best to code on

[thorn jackal]

Considering this is a python discord, I assume you want to learn python. I would say VS code is a good application to start coding on, as it has all the bells and whistles a beginner would need. You can install python on your system by following a youtube tutorial or the documentation on python.org. From there you can use your sources to learn things. Also if the sources are good, they will most likely have an introductory part where you will do the things I already mentioned.

[thorn jackal]

Also as an added bit, something like pythontutor can be useful as well to find out how small bits of code work, but I don't know how well it will help with things when you get into more complex projects.

[long solar]

what are the standard benefits other than health insurance

401k and dental?

[next plover]

paid leave, disability leave, HSA, my company even has "accidental death or dismemberment' as an option

although it heavily depends on your location and job

[long solar]

lol what if it’s a startup

[still condor]

my company even has "accidental death or dismemberment' as an option
I've heard the US has lax regulation of letting people go, but not this far

[junior bronze]

thank you for your help stranger

[next plover]

good luck have fun

[long solar]

Dat equity tho

[solid parcel]

Heh, just don't look into dilution or the survival rate of startups

[long solar]

Well if I get diluted everyone gets diluted tho right

[solid parcel]

Not necessarily, nope.

[long solar]

There’s no way there’s actually a way to specifically dilute just my shares in order to raise capital for the company without at least compensating me
Right

[dawn leaf]

depends on the kind of startup. smaller bootstrapped startups may have barebones benefits. well funded startups will do health, 401k, dental, disability+death. sometimes no 401k matching. unicorns compete with big tech

[solid parcel]

It wouldn't necessarily be just your shares being diluted, but there are different classes of shares that do not all behave alike. May be worth researching a little.

[long solar]

Yeah there’s like class a and b

[dawn leaf]

also liquidation preferences

[solid parcel]

all of this kinda thing, yup.

[long solar]

Damn thanks for telling me what to look for. I hope the knowledge is not from experience lol

[barren lotus]

how do you apply to a job whose job description asks for some experience with LLMs?

[tacit sinew]

do you have experience with llms

[barren lotus]

no

but how would someone with experience with LLMs apply to it?

[tacit sinew]

sounds largely academic, so if you've published a paper or have a personal project implementing an llm or experimenting with llms

[barren lotus]

i see

[split pasture]

ask chatgpt something then you can say you have experience with LLMs

[barren lotus]

lol

[tacit sinew]

ask gpt a series of related prompts, collect and analyze the responses, write a paper, call it a 'sensitivity analysis'
gg

[barren lotus]

lol

[smoky quest]

Is there a non-tautological answer expected?

[barren lotus]

im sorry?

[smoky quest]

about?

[barren lotus]

i dont really understand your question

[smoky quest]

Are you expecting a non-obvious answer?

because I am confused by your question

[barren lotus]

well, yea, otherwise i wouldnt have asked

[tacit sinew]

i think zehata is asking what constitutes experience

[smoky quest]

people with experience with LLMs, apply to jobs that ask for LLM experience the same way people with backend experience would apply to jobs that ask for backend experience

[tacit sinew]

you can also lie

[smoky quest]

so through 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 which go from education, projects, experience, etc.

[smoky quest]

which would be a terrible advice to follow

[tacit sinew]

depends on how good you are at lying and how desperate you are for employment

[smoky quest]

You can be the best liar in the world, it's still super easy to catch

[barren lotus]

"ah yes, i have downloaded and ran a model before"

i'd imagine it's something along the lines of "i made a chatbot for xxx company to improve customer experience"

[smoky quest]

Imagine you have to do these types of things as part of an API or workflow: https://cloud.google.com/discover/what-is-prompt-engineering

[barren lotus]

that sounds like pain

[smoky quest]

it's in the eyes of the beholder

[barren lotus]

I wonder why is it that some jobs I get ignored and some jobs I get rejected outright

[steady violet]

honestly i wouldnt even want to apply to the job once i saw the llm bullet

[vast shoal]

Depends on how they process applications I guess

And how many applications they get

[barren lotus]

i get consistently rejected for all the diploma-qualification jobs

i dont get instantly rejected for the rest, even for senior dev jobs

[vestal bay]

sigma reply

[regal axle]

Too immature and inexperienced to know that, that reply was peak advice.

[thorn jackal]

At least where I live there are jobs that absolutely require a degree to get into, mostly public sector. But private sector tends to be more fluid and doesn't require a degree but it is seen as an advantage.

[solid parcel]

Whereabouts are you from?

[thorn jackal]

Northern europe

[solid parcel]

UK here 👋

[fringe sphinx]

https://youtu.be/-QxI-RP6-HM?si=K12GSEgOo6-su_zb

[high python]

hey everyone i want to switch my career i have been working as full stack dev its been 3 years and now i want to change my career from where i should start ??(techstack that i know :-python, django, js, docker, aws ec2 s3 lambda apigateway, )
what would be the right way to start ?

[serene kite]

I would suggest visiting career dreamer once.

[thorn jackal]

This doesn't tell us much. Like, what is the career you are wanting to switch to? Different roles have vastly different skill sets and requirements

[tight crane]

What is any advice you would give a 16-year-old learning Python But does not know what else to do?

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[marsh beacon]

Me and you are the same @tight crane But I am 15

[near ocean]

You got advice yesterday and you didnt like it
Stay in school, keep your grades up, get a degree
@tight crane as well

[marsh beacon]

I never said I "didnt like it".

[weak lintel]

it's been me in 2 years in college and finding pursuit of inner interest which domain should i go for which pays higher which takes fresher. i am so confused end up doing nothing is there anyone who has been gone through this situation. plls help me guiding

don't know yet go for ds or ai/ml or full stack or java full stack should try in product companies by learning dsa or should go startup ai ml

[fringe sphinx]

When in doubt, breadth. Study different things. Don't specialize. Do a DS project, do a full stack project. Learn engineering and operational ideas like ci/cd, testing, cloud, etc

[fringe sphinx]

As a software engineer, your first job is being able to tackle increasingly complex projects. Developing your core skills.

[weak lintel]

but does it get you a job and i don't think so i have enough time

[fringe sphinx]

Does what get you a job? Being a competent engineer?

[weak lintel]

i wanna go in the specific field and i don't have enough time to check it out all things

[smoky quest]

You will note that we cannot tell you what you love, what you are good at and what your location need.
As a student in 2 years in college, you have plenty of time to figure it out!

[fringe sphinx]

(Agree with ^) What specific field?

[smoky quest]

Go to career fairs, meetups, make projects of all sorts, talk to people, look at what your alumni is up to on linkedin, talk to your teachers, etc.

The first lesson post-college is that for the first time of your life, you are about to enter an uncharted path. There is no rail like "get a highschool diploma and then a college degree" to lock in. It is completely unknown and specific to you.
And while it could be seen as stressful and daunting, it could also be seen as a huge opportunity for you to find your very own path where you can not only be successful but also happy!

[weak lintel]

just tell me dsa java or aiml

[smoky quest]

which one you hate the most?

[smoky quest]

go with the one you hate the most

[weak lintel]

what u be doing

[smoky quest]

I do a lot of things

<@&831776746206265384> scam

[gleaming otter]

hey, whats up?

[smoky quest]

Hi!
Chitchat is preferably done in one of the off topic channel like #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[fringe sphinx]

This is like asking: "Hockey, BBQ, or Spotify?"

[next plover]

Spotify for sure

[fringe sphinx]

Unfair. Good bbq wins.

[smoky quest]

that's why they should pick the one they hate the most. It may help create enough pain they want to figure out what they enjoy

[glacial lake]

For my resume, I have went through all the steps of creating an AI from scratch, fully local on my computer( I even have a great selection of data and multiple processing methods) but it's going to take approximately 3-5 weeks of none stop training to get it to work, is there a way to trim this training time? How important is it to have a fully functional AI instead of a theoretical one?

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[vast shoal]

<@&831776746206265384>

[clever fog]

!user

[inner wren]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[true harness]

how will you know the performance if it's just theoretical?

[smoky quest]

There is a difference between thinking it works and knowing it works

[glacial lake]

I have tested it using very small data size samples, and a 24 hour training peroid, and I debug everything so I know all the values; so I know it works, if it had more training time and with higher parameters and more preprocessing with higher RAM It could be alot smarter, I could prove it but I'd have to give all my computers resources to it for an estimated 3 weeks none stop for it to properly learn everything.
I have attached a txt to avoid going over the discord limit, it is a sample of its 24 hour training responses(the first repeated snippets are the user prompts, the rest is the AI's response)

[inner wren]

Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.

[smoky quest]

In terms of interviews, stating you just randomly typed a few things and it looked okay, or that you debugged it by hand will bring many more questions about validation and correctness.
People will start asking you about training vs test dataset, F1 score, TP/TN/FP/FN, etc.

They may infer you do not have the discipline to validate your data if you do not have actual numbers

[glacial lake]

I have all the data locally on my pc, and I'm storing all the relevant metrics on a .Jason file, I think the only issues with it might be a lack of optimization but I get what your saying, are there services that loan really high-end pcs or something I can use to train my model on my data?

[smoky quest]

aws, google, any cloud

But yeah, saying "I have the data, it works, trust me bro" has a very different impact than being able to say "It works, here is the benchmark <drop mic>"

[glacial lake]

I get it, I have no employment history in the CSCI sector and with how harsh the competition for internships is I gotta really stand out

[smoky quest]

exactly!

[lapis dawn]

my resume is basically blank... should I add more stuff to it (like coursework and ongoing projects) or is this gonna be good enough for an entry-level/software adjacent role just to get my foot on the door?

[next plover]

Projects are great for resumes

HTML and CSS might not be necessary for skills unless you plan on front-end development

[lapis dawn]

I've only really completed the two, i have one more project ongoing but idk if that's worth adding in

[next plover]

Add them if you are proud of them

[lapis dawn]

Hmm... alright !!

[true harness]

it looks very empty. did you actually do anything at your internship? only 2 bullets for your only experience is quite minimal (and one of them is "i worked remotely")

[solid parcel]

Gah, time to sort my CV... The senior SRE role I've been wanting to go for opened up at my org again, so I've gotta get on that.

[solid parcel]

What does 'highly accurate forecasts' mean? What tooling were you using? Your points could be far more contextually rich.

[lapis dawn]

Nope, the internship was very uneventful outside of QA stuff, that's on me

[lapis dawn]

I see, I'll dig up the paper and elaborate on it

[solid parcel]

Including metrics and impact (where possible, it can be trickier when you're getting started) is generally a good idea. It helps to quantify what you've actually achieved 🙂

[tacit sinew]

i wouldn't add coursework unless it's graduate level or extracurricular research

personal projects are good

[visual flax]

Anyone spend a bunch of time learning skills and feel like it's useless now?

[tacit sinew]

I've never skill-maxxed, no. I've learned skills that i use frequently

[solid parcel]

Yes and no. Tooling knowledge rots quickly, fundamentals remain pretty consistently applicable.

[tacit sinew]

dev patel? is that you?

[chilly cairn]

hello

[still condor]

!rule 6 9 @white imp please read our rules and the channel description. We do not allow looking for jobs or developers on this server.

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[true harness]

you could probably still elaborate on that

[trim rose]

how could learning skills be useless. this is a fallacy people need to get out of AI is not replacing being a skilled experienced capable individual. Continue to learn how to do stuff and get good at doing stuff and experience doing stuff.

[cursive trellis]

Do u guys have any advice for a 1st year CpE Student? Like what should I be doing for my 1st year? Try to get an internship? Focus on fully learning my current language (python)? or just focus on studies for now?

[tacit sinew]

not sure if internship is best for a first year, but you can look into doing some research

[cursive trellis]

Research like?

[near ocean]

Not all skills are marketable

[tacit sinew]

whatever is available and suits your interests. there should be a professor or someone who needs a researcher. they will tell you what to do

[cursive trellis]

Hmm im only 3 weeks in for learning python tho, not sure if I can help with research

[tacit sinew]

bit early then. wait til next semester or year

[trim rose]

just because not all skills are not marketing means learning skills is useless lmao

[near ocean]

This is #career-advice

If a skill isnt marketable its kind of useless

[trim rose]

Yes...but saying learning skills isn't helpful to a career is wrong. Learning skills is good for career.

[tacit sinew]

like deepthroating a sword or solving a rubix cube in five seconds

[near ocean]

No, it depends on the kind of skills youre learning
Learning how to codegolf isnt a useful skill
Learning how to write obfuscated c code isnt a useful skill
Learning about billion year old legacy tech isnt a useful skill

They could be cool skills but theyre not really useful with starting a career or finding a job

[trim rose]

Okay...thats what ive been telling you this whole time

[next plover]

although knowing billion year old COBOL is a very high paying skill

[near ocean]

Sounds like a highly marketable skill to me

You can turn some pretty obscure skills into really marketable ones, i wouldnt recommend a beginner go learn how to hack fat PSPs to get a job though, stick with the common roadmaps

[cursive trellis]

Alrighty

Well, I do plan on getting internships for my 2nd year. Grades have been rough so im going to try to get as much work experience as I can

[red mantle]

I'm looking into cyber security and Python seems to be used but it from what I read people say SQL and C++ are better languages for it? Anyone got advice on what language I should learn for cyber security?

[smoky quest]

depends on the role for cybersecurity. It's a domain, not a job

[red mantle]

I was thinking about being a security architect, I'm not sure. I'm applying to colleges soon and I wanna get a grasp on cyber security as a whole but being a security architect seems possibly more my field.

[smoky quest]

I mean, you would be kinda like 8-10 years away from being an architect

Assuming you start working today

[red mantle]

Started working in terms of what?

[smoky quest]

in terms of jobs

your first job won't be security architect

that's a role that requires experience and seniority

[red mantle]

Fair enough, do you know companies that offer jobs that lead up to becoming a security architect? I just wanna see their requirements and such.

[smoky quest]

There won't be a straight path to it. The market 10 years ago was very different from today even in what it means specifically.
So focus on the skills related to what you want to do, and by that time, there will be something equivalent.

You can also look at job boards for what skills are being asked. See for instance https://careers.salesforce.com/en/jobs/jr288974/cloud-security-architect/ (which asks 8-12 years of experience)

Naively, architect implies you are designing systems. While you won't start by designing whole systems on your first job, that's something that can you give an idea where you need to find jobs where you are parts of the decisions made when thinking about security, like appsec
And security implies you want to stay close to security

[mortal wedge]

The general flow is that first you work within different architectures, then when you're more senior you are a part of architectural design discussions, then eventually leading them. As @smoky quest mentioned you generally aren't going to be an architect until you have around 10 YOE

[lapis dawn]

How's my resume? Any feedback is appreciated

[little obsidian]

guys python developer jobs are dead, what to do?

[little obsidian]

bsc is 5 years degree bro?

[lapis dawn]

had to take a year off, out of my control !

[little obsidian]

bro where do you locate?

in my country this resume wont even shorlist bro 😭

[lapis dawn]

Canada !

[lapis dawn]

Hey don't I know it!! I've been applying for weeks now, not a single company came back to me

Right now I'm looking for a entry-level position to get my foot on the door, start small ya know

[barren lotus]

you may or may not find that this is impossible at the moment

[vapid violet]

Go to your schools career fair if they have one. Don't expect much as a first year but you get practice and build connections

[lapis dawn]

I only need to con a company into hiring me once then I can work from there... !

[shell lotus]

I used to be a full time engineer, but for some reasons one or two years ago I started to do something like freelancer (part time/ contract/ project based) work. What would be a recommended way to organize my resume so that my resume is less likely to be filtered out by HR or at initial phase? I appreciate if any templates are available. Thanks.

[solid parcel]

This is a common myth.

There are enough new engineers with COBOL skills coming into the field to replace those that are leaving, and the language is easy enough that SWEs with a background in another language can learn it quickly. There also tend to be few mainframe positions relative to other tech roles, and the salaries are (contrary to popular belief) pretty meh.

The people who do get paid a bundle doing mainframe work get that money by virtue of having a deep understanding of the quirks and behaviours of specific mainframe systems rather than due to knowledge of COBOL. It's the former that makes them particularly valuable.

[little obsidian]

are you working

[barren lotus]

no

[dense dawn]

Hello.
I am a beginner in coding and have learned Python.

I was wondering which language I should learn next so someone gimme some advice.

[solid parcel]

You're best off going deeper in Python imo. Think of it like learning an actual language. It's much easier to do more if you have a strong grasp on one rather than a mediocre grasp on several. Going deep with one will also make it easier for you to learn another language later down the line, too.

[dense dawn]

K, I appreciate the advice 🙂

[trim crypt]

Is there a particular project you want to build with Python? Maybe a web app? Or an AI agent? If you can build something with Python, that should help show if you have any gaps in your skillset that you should learn to fill and potentially add a portfolio to your resume.

[vast shoal]

I'd advise you to build stuff with Python rather than learn another language.

The point of programming is to build stuff. Learning languages is just an obstacle you have to get over to be able to do that.

Learning one language and then stopping and learning another is just climbing over obstacles for the sake of it.

[peak halo]

so basically parkour?

[vast shoal]

Walking is to parkour what programming is to esoteric programming, I guess?

You walk cause you wanna get places normally, but sometimes you just wanna get around in a weird way for no reason

[muted bane]

Hey guys,
What is the difference between BSc and BCA?

[fringe sphinx]

Degrees are really "baskets of courses" you have to take. So, the difference is simply which courses you need to take.

It's specific to each Uni. That said, usually a bachelors of arts will have more humanities electives, and a bachelors of science will have more required technical courses.

Beyond that, nobody really cares. I'm not sure I'd really care if someone's degrees was a BA or BS in CS.

[sonic pilot]

U guys go to uni?

[fringe sphinx]

Many years ago.

[vapid violet]

Currently am

[solid parcel]

Got my start via an apprenticeship rather than a degree. Currently doing a Master's primarily to unlock opportunities to work abroad.

Going to uni certainly isn't necessary to get into the industry, but it does give you a structured pathway, feedback and time spent focusing on fundamentals and theory (which can be very useful when it comes to learning higher level concepts later down the line). Plus the piece of paper to help you get through some initial CV sifts, of course.

[smoky quest]

in case, that is super specific to the USA. In some other countries, it would be very much on rails

though it is fair to assume USA since it's BsC vs BCA

[clever elm]

looking for suggestions for a cloud data project I can make on a tight schedule, taking a snowflake course and intend to get the cert next month. I have the 30 day trial, 2 weeks for the course and 2 weeks for exposure.

[smoky quest]

what's the problem?

[clever elm]

@smoky quest not a problem, just not very familiar with the cloud computing ecosystem and I'd like to have a project idea in mind while I go through the course, and then write something functional with what I've learned

[smoky quest]

any theme or idea you have played with?

[clever elm]

I have a background in compensation analytics using excel and a thorough understanding of deep learning

@smoky quest my code projects have all been toys, I guess I'm just looking for something that will lend itself well to cloud compute

[smoky quest]

I mean, anything that generate data with links.
So it could be about storing/transforming stock data with company informations for instance

plus sec filings

parsing all of that, linking it, building predictive models, etc.

[clever elm]

hmm i'll keep that in mind

any idea how difficult it is to satisfy HIPAA compliance?

[smoky quest]

not something you will do for a side project in a month

[clever elm]

alrighty, appreciate the advice

[stiff plume]

hey guys I have created a chatting platform need review

[fast fossil]

hello there, asking for a review of my CV 😁

[smoky quest]

Main issues is it feels too abstract and vague to mean something to the reader.
Furthermore, some of your experiences give the vibe you stretched the truth a bit too far

^ These interpretations may be wrong, but that's the vibe they give.
And that can be an issue in 2026 where there are many candidates that are desperate and make up whole experiences

[still condor]

I would probably remove text editors from the skills section, it kinda feels like adding "Microsoft Word" to the list

I don't think knowing or not knowing PyCharm is a significant issue in any job, unless you are applying to JetBrains

[naive violet]

yall i made a command line tool that i used python on any advice???????????

btw to set it up you need to put the full path inside system enviroment variables

any care to try it
dm

tool to remove passwords from your account tool to clear tmp tool to check system specs too to grant permissions to files you dont have acces to for example c:/windows/system32/sethc.exe

they dont allow you to delete that

[near ocean]

No and this is offtopic for #career-advice

[solid parcel]

Haha, fyi there is generally a reason they try and stop you deleting things out of system32 xD

[high python]

i want to swtich my career in Data Sci or AI/ML eninginerr

[peak halo]

jobs in that space are very degree-requiring. you'd probably need to get a masters degree that's related to AI.

[fast fossil]

fair point

[fast fossil]

when you say "experiences", are you referring to the major sections (positions and stuff under them) or to all the bullet points individually? could you point out which are the "some of your experiences" that feel like stretched truth?
could you also, perhaps, give an example bullet point that would not be too abstract or vague? or I suppose, do you find any of them to be concrete enough? (which ones?)

[sturdy cloak]

guys any one who want to work on ml or ds in his early career stages -like me- who wouldnt mind sharing his cv with us I want to have some reference

[fringe sphinx]

It's a good start, but; agree with r_e: you can do better with the experience bullets... just work on one bullet at a time and practice explaining it, projects: show the date range for pygame ce

[fringe sphinx]

The first bullet of first job reads a little too fluffy and uses metric twice. Can you explain it in plain language?

[fringe sphinx]

I also think first bullet: the orchestration/dagster part should be a separate bullet. That's a good skill, and unrelated to the functional part

[peak halo]

!warn @dire shore your message was removed for asking for a job, which is not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @dire shore.

[regal axle]

This is more of a "I am overthinking question"
But new company gave me a one time WFH stipend of $1k. Very small company, very few people. Why do I feel like I shouldn't spend all 1k? Like I know that I should. But for some reason I feel like I will be looked at funny for spending it all. This really just comes from me not knowing these people that well. I met them in my interview process. Sure. But that doesn't mean I fully know them and how they view money. Anyways, help me stop overthinking this

[fluid dawn]

Hey guys, I feel dmn stuck on my career and learning path with coding, I already know python and other langs but I don't feel good with my portfolio or experience, I feel like I need to do more projects that generates real experience but I just dk what type of projects I can do, I made robots, also frameworks to make robots but nothing really good just small projects to make my competitions easier, someone can advice me? I would really appreciate advice from others that already walked this road

[fringe sphinx]

You're overthinking it. Ask your manager what's appropriate, but my suggestions are; a better mic or webcam for meetings, or standing desk, or keyboard or mouse

[regal axle]

Thinking of getting a nice monitor and monitor arm. That right there is most of the budget 🥀. From there I can top off a few little things to get to the 1k. IE a chance to get an item I might never get with my own money. Like one of the wrist gliders. But I really should look into a good mic ... probably don't have the budget letfover but I should still look

[fringe sphinx]

I really hate when people use cheap laptop builtin mic's. Doesn't need to be expensive, just something better 🙂

[regal axle]

Fair

I will shop around a bit and see what I can find. Good point, I don't need to get "top of the line" lol.

[shell shoal]

What are the main roles that are usually available?

[fringe sphinx]

The tech industry is so big that this question is unanswerable.

[sturdy cloak]

if u dont mind me asking what do u do for work? 🙂 I noticed that u are a in the ds server so i asked

[lapis dawn]

has anyone heard of this company? Are they legit? I can't seem to find anything about them online.

The hiring process involved me taking a personality quiz and a very brief 5 minute introductory call, which I already have scheduled. I wanna know what I'm getting myself into if possible !

[spring ivy]

people recommending me to just write a project i havent done on my resume to fill up keywords, and if i get an interview then i can do that project for real. seems like quite a fair strat considering most companies have ghost jobs or most likely wont interview u anyways, and there are so many various skills thats its hard to know them all beforehand, but if u only apply to stuff u know, limits ur job pool

[smoky quest]

Candidates lie all the time, so it's fair for companies to have ghost jobs and waste candidate time

[spring ivy]

🤷‍♀️ I tried not to lie but i really should be lying a lot more

[smoky quest]

It's super easy to catch and will end up hurting you more than helping

[smoky quest]

Let's take an example:
Have you ever been drunk? If yes, can you imagine someone never having been drunk able to describe it accurately?

[spring ivy]

but yeah so i m thinking of adding in my LLM resume tailoring code to add a good project that uses skills mentioned in the resume but not found on my resume/skills master list already

[spring ivy]

idk if it matters.. most of the times the interviews are behavioural/DSA anyways

[smoky quest]

yeah people do that and it super difficult to trick. I catch these attempts all the time, be it manually or through automation
There are many factors to get it working right and if you are good enough to get it right, you will be good enough to not need to do that

[regal axle]

idk. But you can keep an eye out for a few key red flags. Is the interview process feel formal and real? Or are they doing some random BS like text only interviews? (Personality tests are not uncommon. But they are not common in programming specific jobs.) Is the email they are communicating with a company email or just some random email? Do they have any job details. Things like role specifics and pay ranges? Are they asking you to provide strange information?

[spring ivy]

then again idk if tailoring ur resume would matter either.. but worth a shot since nothing else is working 🤷‍♀️

[smoky quest]

interviews do go further 🙂
You have been (un)lucky if it was just behavioral/dsa

[spring ivy]

yeah there is team matching.. will see what happens with that

[smoky quest]

tailor to the persona (ex: backend vs frontend vs ml), but not worth on a per job basis

[spring ivy]

tbf i havent lied much yet so i am in the good even if it does go further.. but worth switching it up a bit

[fossil fractal]

from what i understand it wouldnt be a MAJOR change but definitely helpful to some degree

[spring ivy]

yeah that might be fair too.. thing is i have never used jenkins graphana prometheus whatnot.. and mid-senior devs told me that u can just add it cuz most companies use some of their own internal tools.. and early career devs told me to just pick up a project to learn it once u get an interview

[spring ivy]

idk if thats true.. plenty of people who are good enough but not getting jobs/interviews, its hyper-competitive for early dev stuff (which tbf.. up untill a couple of years ago.. realistically anybody could code at an entry level if they are half passionate and have coded up some projects, and learn the rest as they go)

[smoky quest]

yeah, it's common to lie and it's super common to be caught red handed in these.
The time you spend preparing for a lie would be far better spent setting them up locally. With docker you can set each of these super quickly

[lapis dawn]

It's an online interview, it's a remote job so I'm not surprised. They seem to be fine email wise but they didn't really elaborate on pay ranges or the like. I'll keep an eye out, thanks! Best case scenario it's a shitty job with shitty pay but hey at least I get to farm experience!

[smoky quest]

It will also make you more confident when you speak about them

[spring ivy]

its not just one thing, its a lot of things different based on the jobs/type of job

i will definitely learn them.. but only once i get an interview.. literally no point to learn it beforehand cuz 99% imma be rejected/ghosted anyways

[spring ivy]

yeah my cousin who works as a research scientist said that i should just list my best accomplishments but idrk if it helps to tailor vs. just list the best stuff u did.. probably a mix of both

[regal axle]

The interview being online is fine. Good luck! And yea, likely it isn't a glamorous job. But a job is a job.
Keep us updated and I wish you all the best

[smoky quest]

Let me give you an example: the automation might pull some skills that have nothing to do with the company. For instance something like pulling up HIPAA patient records while working at a game company

[spring ivy]

the company that i am applying for or the company i worked for?

[smoky quest]

It's an example, but the scripts might pull some stuff from the job ad that would be out of place based on the company you worked at

[spring ivy]

also where do u work and who do u recruit for? (if u do recruit)? @smoky quest

[smoky quest]

There are tons of details like that

[spring ivy]

yeah thats why i will add it as an independent project

[smoky quest]

Plus people behave differently when they access memory vs imagination

[fossil fractal]

tailoring is more of listing accomplishments and skills that would be the most relevant to the job. This is more useful if you're more of a type of person that goes into multiple types of things.
So if you are applying for a game dev job you can show C++ or C# experience you have and any games you have worked on. For AI/ML it might be python, etc

[smoky quest]

I do all sorts of things

[spring ivy]

again.. as i said.. i can actually do the project for reals if i get the interview

[spring ivy]

yeah i am trying to do that.. but also trying to integrate some stuff into the text ig so that it doesnt seem like word soup at the top

[smoky quest]

It's not about being able to do it. It's about me during the interview asking how you set up prometheus, what part was the most difficult, what data did you send? I may also lay some traps if I feel suspicious (ex: push vs pull for prometheus)

[spring ivy]

especially when its stuff like jenkins, Go language, prometheus, graphana, etc

[regal axle]

Neither. The best chance you have is knowing someone who is hiring ...
Everything else is super dependent on the luck of the draw. Both company wise and person reading your resume. Both stratagies have their merit. And different people look for different things. Some hiring wants good engineers and don't want to see you just parrot their ad. Others want someone who is a day 1 perfect productivity worker.

[smoky quest]

If a candidate lied on anything, it means nothing can be trusted about them and it's not worth the risk

[spring ivy]

yes so by the time i interview, i would have actually set it up.. used it for a project.. and would know a bit. u know there is usually a decent chunk of time between them telling u u r being called for interviewing, vs the actual interview

[regal axle]

Not enough time to properly understand all the lies you spin. Someone who doesn't know a tool in any meaningful depth is very easy to spot.

[spring ivy]

thats true but yeah idk anyone who is hiring. i have some referrals but thats it.. then again idk if it helps too much to know who is hiring at big companies unless they are very senior and can game the system for u

[smoky quest]

okay that's fair. Though that sounds like a micro optimization.
Either that's quick enough that you don't really have to wait and could learn something now, or having 1 week to prepare is too small for the skill to demonstrate or matter.

[spring ivy]

well its fine.. it will be the project that was listed on my resume.. so i would have actually done it (hence it wont be a lie), but that also doesnt mean i would be an expert on it

[spring ivy]

🤷‍♂️ worth a shot.. honestly seems like a way better approach then learning every single tool they ask u, for every job, for 1000s of jobs u apply for

[regal axle]

eh. Seniority doesn't matter so much. The hard part right now is getting through the massive filter system. And an internal referal typically gets you past that, into a real person's hand. Making everything up to the merit of your resume and way less on luck. But luck still maters.
Oh and I guess you can game it.

But all I know is that I would never ever, not ever hire you.

[spring ivy]

yeah i am trying to get referrals too

[smoky quest]

you don't need to learn that many tools.
If I want to hire a technician, I can hire someone at a fraction of the cost of an engineer

[spring ivy]

well afaik ATS has a keyword matching score (tho not too sure how many companies use that or not), but with 1000s of applicants probably best not to leave it to chance

[fossil fractal]

If I know someone that doesn't directly work at the companies but works with recruiters in providing them with candidates would that still make a difference?

[smoky quest]

I have yet to see an ATS that is that smart

only seen fluff

[spring ivy]

at this point is likely better to get some interview than none at all.
But @regal axle is probably right that getting referrals is likely a lot more helpful

[spring ivy]

🤷‍♀️ idk i have heard workday has the capability to rank by keyword matching.. but even if it didnt. some HR person reading my resume probably doesnt do a lot better than a kewyord match either. especially if its a believable project i can do in 1-2 weeks

[smoky quest]

I suggest to find actual people who hire and ask them to show you the ATS they work with and how they go about reviewing resumes

[spring ivy]

nvidia also says they use AI tools for recruiting, not sure which. though for nvidia i hand tailor the resume a lot more

[spring ivy]

even if it wasnt ATS.. my application with 3 skills missing vs the 3 skills as a project.. the second is likely better if an HR reviewed it manually, especially if i can learn the 3 skills before the interview
Ofc i cant do this for something i have literally no experience in and would need years of experience or something

imma try and connect with some alum for referrals..

[smoky quest]

None of these would matter.
list of skills is the bottom of the list of important things

many times, I don't even read it

[spring ivy]

its a project with the skills.. but anyways

[spring ivy]

i also feel this research scientist is very out of touch with the current market scenario. dude was surprised i didnt get an interview in citadel after doing well on the OA

I think the best people to ask for this is probably peers tho.. most people in mid-senior/research scientist positions are pretty out of touch with how bad it is for entry level

[fringe sphinx]

Big firms get so many applicants, chance is certainly going to be a significant factor.

[smoky quest]

Showing what you can do instead of telling me you know skills will go a long way. It is a differentiator with the 1000 other resumes who claim to know grafana

[smoky quest]

mosst resumes are trash. I would not trust your peers with careers

[spring ivy]

yeah but from what i have heard unless u cover like 90%+ of the skills u basically get rejected cuz there is always someone who covers everything they need (whether they are lying or not). then again who knows 🤷‍♀️

[fringe sphinx]

What you have heard is nonsense advice, imo.

A corollary of what r_e said is: you can always improve your resume.

[spring ivy]

well yeah maybe a bit of a balance.. but usually mid-senior level advice just doesnt work for entry level jobs anymore.. it worked for them when it was easier but now its pretty competitive

[fringe sphinx]

And, you go to interviews with the resume you've got, not the resume you want. ||apologies for the rumsfeldian quote||

[spring ivy]

thats if i ever even get interviews 💀

[fringe sphinx]

Fine, you apply with the resume you've got...

[spring ivy]

I think probably referrals is my best bet tho

[fringe sphinx]

Play every angle, don't pick and choose.

[spring ivy]

well me adding a project to my resume that i would do later, once i get an interview, was also an angle
Gonna do that + referral

[fringe sphinx]

My point is only: keep improving your resume, apply where you can, work your network / never have lunch alone, accept that not everything is in your control (luck is a factor)

[spring ivy]

I think thats very sensible advice tbh. pretty much everyone except people here kinda agreed with it (junior or mid/senior trying to find jobs in this market). just told me to play around with it

[spring ivy]

well i dont live at dorms so i kinda have to have lunch alone.. but yeah i will try to talk to more people.. i think i gotta reach out to people on linkedin tho cuz the people at my uni also dont have jobs so they cant refer me anywhere
Either those or coffee & code

I have people who can refer me for:
Meta, Amazon, Google, JP Morgan, Mastercard, so gonna try and apply for those and get interviews from there, tho the quality of referrals is also questionable lol

[solid parcel]

I'd recommend looking into org cultures to get a sense of which ones you're most interested in. All the orgs you list here pay a reasonable amount, but not all cultures are made alike

[smoky quest]

Ignoring advice from more experienced people would not be productive.
Assuming they do not expose to junior engineers, do not hire them, to not welcome them, do not have other juniors in the network, do not have access to a broader network and insight into hiring would be a mistake. Especially when the alternative is to listen to people who have zero experience, zero network, zero insight and base advice on beliefs

[spring ivy]

yeah I would love to work at most of those companies other than Amazon (unless its some fun MLAI role), but overall rn the job market is so bad that i will go for anything.. we really dont have the luxury to choose which org culture we align to

[spring ivy]

yeah probably best to do a mix of both.. but people like my cousin are fairly out of touch

yeah maybe he just doesnt work with junior engineers in his role as a research scientist.. most likely the case
Anyways, i should get back to actually finishing this leetcode problem and getting to work on my resume and tailoring it for a company

I would love to work/get a referral for NVIDIA but thats pretty hard..

[solid parcel]

Haha, reading that made me chuckle... I interviewed with AWS a while back and was invited back for the final loop. I withdrew because it felt like a road to burnout. The vibe of the first interview raised a few red flags for me! Currently happily working at a bank instead and gearing up to target Google in a couple of years.

Mind you, the caveat to this is that at massive orgs, team dynamics play a huge role. I do know a couple of engineers that have worked happily at Amazon and AWS respectively, because their specific managers valued balance and knew how to shield their team from unreasonable demands.

[smoky quest]

Sure. My point is to not close any doors. Take all the information and try things

research is also quite different from product dev

[spring ivy]

yeah i think i might take a bank instead of AWS if i fail google (which i most likely will given the odds).. will see tho.. anyways as i said, i dont have the luxury to be too picky.. beggars cant be choosers, i currently dont have an interview from any of those companies other than google

[spring ivy]

yeah.. the dude did intern at jane street, google, etc., but it was easier then and he is also kind of a GOAT.. (did ICPC, qualified for INOI (top 200 highschoolers in our country for competitive programming), he was also at UIUC which is/was quite the target school

[fossil fractal]

is there any major benefit to doing competitive programming?

[spring ivy]

tbh i kinda wanna go for phd/research too.. SDE seems hella boring..
But then again.. most likely i would end up like nanami (wanting to just stop work all together and going to a beach and travel but always trapped working for something or the other)
https://tenor.com/view/nanami-nanami-kento-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-gif-9721827202022859485

Nanami's story is sooo relatable tho

u work in corporate cuz u crave stability and money, once u make enough of that u wanna serve your fellow mankind (the baking shop or becoming a jujutsu sorcerer), but ultimately u realise u dont wanna do any of that and u would be a lot happier traveling and sipping mai tai at a beach and retiring.. but u never do that cuz u are too scared about what u have defined as "the meaning" in your life and too scared to loose that. u only realise that when u are too old (due to age) and on death's door and cant really travel much anymore...

[spring ivy]

most companies have DSA rounds ig.. idk if it would help in other capacity unless u are a grandmaster or u did well in some competitions then u can write it on your resume and it signals to employers that u will be good at DSA

[smoky quest]

just to be clear, janestreet was never easier

that's an achievement in itself and he may be in the top percent

[spring ivy]

yeah he probably is

but then he thinks that just cuz i did well in my OA i would get interviews.. which is not how it works anymore..
And his peers also got into similar stuff/MAANG+ as long as they grinded 150-300 leetcode problems

[smoky quest]

yeah, OA is just one step out of many and doing well is never a guarantee

[fossil fractal]

ah okay, thanks

[wooden grove]

My name is Ahmet, I live in Türkiye. I graduated from a vocational high school in the IT field and have been working in this field for 4-5 years. Currently, I work in cybersecurity.

[fringe sphinx]

I know I've said it a few times but: the job market is bigger than big tech. Take every interview, lunch meeting, conversation you can.

[fringe sphinx]

My vote: Do it if you have fun doing it, don't do it if it's not fun.

[fossil fractal]

i havent really done it and am considering trying it in my free time
ig it depends on how it goes

[lunar raft]

Hi

[spring ivy]

i mean u should 100% do at least a decent chunk of leetcode if u wanna get into MAANG+ SDE. if u dont then thats fine ig

[still condor]

!warn @glacial pewter Please read our rules and the channel description. We do not allow looking for work on this server.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @glacial pewter.

[barren lotus]

With a script to parse jobs like I am doing now, it is so easy to just turn off my brain and just filter out the ones with scores lower than some number, I can imagine it's literally the same thing when it comes to recruiters and their ATSes

[hearty island]

@fringe sphinx seems like my performance review & meeting with mgr's mgr went insanely well
but i'm starting to feel overworked. i feel like everything on the team hinges on me and it's literal back breaking work to carry the team forward

on a side note, i'm trying to do well on the LSAT and get into l*w school, so i can't rlly move

[tepid wagon]

Random question, for those of you working for tech companies that bid on contract work. A) Does your company inflate bid hours. Then B) expect you to actually use that many hours so they can bill the client?

Do you just work really slow? Do you do other stuff?

I just got a new job after freelancing for a decade and this feels crazy.

[fringe sphinx]

Well, first part is great! Definitely don't let yourself burn out. Law school is great, Altho I know a lot of ppl who also burned out of that

[pine sleet]

holy ai slop

this seems like it breaks rules 6/9. you should contact @severe widget first

[peak halo]

!warn @glacial pewter your message was removed for advertising and soliciting jobs, which are not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @glacial pewter.

[ornate grove]

Any Body Up for some code Review ? I want to know if my system is production ready.

[peak halo]

try posting the whole code in a new thread in #1035199133436354600

[ornate grove]

Thank you. but the code is too big. I do not think i can post it whole

[peak halo]

that's unit test output. not the code.
you have to post the code for people to review it. otherwise, what was your plan for if someone said they'd review it?
you might need to put it on a website like GitHub if you haven't already.

[ornate grove]

I thought we can get on live meet where i can share my screen and they can look into parts of it.
it is already on Github on private Repo(Non open source)

[peak halo]

we don't support that here. if you want to get a code review, you have to post the code somewhere that's accessible to anyone on the server.

[ornate grove]

alright Thanks.

[untold herald]

<@&831776746206265384> another scam

[still condor]

!cleanban @late wadi scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @late wadi permanently.

[still condor]

imagine if one day we accidentally ban the real Wang Chuanfu

[untold herald]

Would they have given free BYD car to pydis?

[fringe sphinx]

You didn't get yours?

[visual flax]

whats a sign I need a break instead of just being lazy?

[smoky quest]

having depression, crippling thoughts or fears

[barren lotus]

that implies i need a break, but what you might not have realized is that programming is my copium

[halcyon arch]

hi everyone, just want to ask, for a fresh graduate, which has better job prospects between data analyst or backend dev?

[barren lotus]

im genuinely going insane applying for jobs

[smoky quest]

icms or workday?

<@&831776746206265384> ads

[smoky quest]

look at what's most popular in your area

[icy berry]

remove this, we do not allow advertiisement here

and remove the other message as well

[barren lotus]

neither

[smoky quest]

what other ATS can bring more fear and pain than icms or workday?

[barren lotus]

||internal made||

i have fucking given up on trying to compress things down to one page

[smoky quest]

sorry i didn't have time to write you a short letter

[glacial heart]

Career wise which has the most scope if I am going for a pg I already have a ug on electronics and communication.Is going for AI/DS good cuz it's the hype atm

[barren lotus]

more like: "sorry, I prefer to make it comfortable for you to read"

[icy pagoda]

that's an interesting problem to have

[barren lotus]

it's not like 3 pages, it's like one and a half

[icy pagoda]

you're not deep diving into the technicalities straight up, right?

[barren lotus]

like this instead of, cramming them into like 4 lines

[smoky quest]

and me like i ain't reading all that. im happy for you tho, or sorry that happened.

<@&831776746206265384> moar ads

[barren lotus]

this is so much easier to read than

[crisp stream]

!clban 1004937716238131210 ad

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @twin hollow permanently.

[icy pagoda]

ngl this looks easier to me

[barren lotus]

oh i just realized these 2 resumes have different compile options oops

[smoky quest]

this is just for the keywords to make people happy. I seldom read these ever

[icy pagoda]

"GPGPU with pytorch" is a claim of all time

[barren lotus]

with

[smoky quest]

sometimes, people go fancy with like 3 stars or 3 spoons or 3 whatever for skills and then 5 for others

which is funny as it does not mean anything

[crisp stream]

I'd probably not mention "uv, ruff, pyrefly"

[icy pagoda]

sure, that's still similar ngl if it's trying to imply you can set the device to a GPU

[barren lotus]

ah ok

[smoky quest]

prioritize this one over the other and use that saved space for projects

[barren lotus]

my python projects is half a page long, both of my internships needed python, so both of them went in

[smoky quest]

show me the whole thing

[icy pagoda]

internships often come under "work experience" rather "project" afaik

[barren lotus]

this is just projects

there's still internships in work experience

(yes ive said fuck it and just added AI to the machine vision ones)

i need money right now more than my principles

[smoky quest]

I would replace some bullets with some concrete examples of the stuff you did

way too vague

"wrote code, fixed bug"

[icy pagoda]

i don't think learning and tutoring helps much, you might also want to flex a bit on the last 3 projects

[barren lotus]

sure

[crisp stream]

I'd say prefer CS or CS-adjacent topics over hyped up topics

[barren lotus]

is it though? i would have thought that the ability to communicate with other people about code, especially people who have very little experience with programming, would be seen as a communication skill

[icy berry]

have you written anything about what benefit others had, or what business goals or business problems where solved?

[smoky quest]

make (at least) two versions:

• One where scientific computation/ml is prioritized. So highlight your GPU stuff (I know it was a small script, but nonetheless)
• One for backend

[barren lotus]

in the work experience section

[icy berry]

good

[barren lotus]

hmmmm, good idea, let me think about how to write that

[smoky quest]

and yeah, learning and tutoring is a but too much on the yapping side. I would reduce it

[icy berry]

and yeah, have one general, and then you specify for the role you apply for

[icy pagoda]

i'll let @smoky quest answer that. it comes off as "wanted to fill space" to me and i don't know many who have that included especially in "projects"

[icy berry]

its called to hone your CV

[icy pagoda]

oh nvm they already replied, mb

[barren lotus]

i'll just do A/B testing on this

[smoky quest]

I mean, it's useful, but not 8 lines worth useful

[barren lotus]

ok i will reduce the length, and then do A/B testing

[smoky quest]

it does help sell the line that you sweat software engineering

but 8 lines is wayyy too much

[barren lotus]

fair point

[icy pagoda]

i'm also guessing this is not latex-d

[barren lotus]

its typst

[crisp stream]

Typst 👍🏼

[barren lotus]

i still have the latex version lol

[smoky quest]

Remember that I receive hundreds of resumes every day where everyone say they are great at writing python. So it does help to show how you are great at writing python by talking about the awesome features and their impact
[Same for other skills]

[icy pagoda]

there's a few public facing systems which extract details of you when you upload a resume. this resume works fine with those, right?

[smoky quest]

and a good chunk are written by chatgpt where it's just a laundry list of "wrote feature, fixed bugs"

[barren lotus]

yea, it doesn't use any table or other "clever" formatting tricks

much shorter

[smoky quest]

btw, since you are a LLM driven resume enjoyer, the other day I had a funny case where someone obviously used our job ad to fill in some blanks and they ended up pulling some skills that do not make sense for their employer. Something like having to deal with hipaa data at discord

[crisp stream]

have there been any humorous ones that said "introduced and fixed bugs"?

[barren lotus]

istg you are just fucking with me arent you xD

[icy pagoda]

hipaa data at discord lmfao

[barren lotus]

this is like the 6th time already

[smoky quest]

bunch of them.
Some of them have 3 pages of a laundry list of everything they have ever done like :

• wrote junit
• tested junit
• wrote pytest
• tested pytest
• used vscode
• used pycharm

[smoky quest]

you have no idea about the average resume I receive

[icy pagoda]

with 3 pages, i'm surprised some LLM did not add "tested pycharm" or smth

[barren lotus]

well no, i didnt use LLMs, it looks like this in typst, with the keywords and stuff

[crisp stream]

and what does that do?

[smoky quest]

I didn't even bother reading it. I just click on reject

[barren lotus]

the parser produces a list of keywords, which then gets passed into the compile options for typst

[crisp stream]

and what does that do?

[barren lotus]

and then it's just as simple as this

[smoky quest]

you know that I am explicitly fucking with keywords in my job ad to mess with people who pull keywords?

[barren lotus]

wdym

[smoky quest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_entry

[barren lotus]

irrelevant keywords in your job ad?

[smoky quest]

something like that

and I have seen others do similar things

[barren lotus]

how am i supposed to know that it's not some sort of weird stack you are using

[crisp stream]

like asking for COBOL?

[smoky quest]

because you would not lie about stack you would not know about, right?

(assuming it was visible to you)

[icy pagoda]

wrote a browser in fortran

[barren lotus]

well yea the sections were prewritten by me, they only get included if the keyword matches

[smoky quest]

sure, that sounds safer if you mean it in a way that you include some sections if they get triggered

[barren lotus]

if the keyword java exists in your job ad, there will be no section in my resume that says i know java, because i didnt write that

[crisp stream]

oh, these are flags?

[barren lotus]

yea

when "python" is one of the keyword, the python sections get included, same for "react" or "typescript"

[smoky quest]

inb4:

requirements: we do not use python, please do not mention python

[barren lotus]

i do one last pass of the JD before I apply

the sad thing is, i genuinely cannot bear to write a resume manually anymore

if i see a job ad outside of this system i go through this whole song and dance to get the keywords into the spreadsheet and let it compile

instead of writing a resume like a normal human

[smoky quest]

yeah, I don't have that much free time

I have a main resume and then 2-3 based on the persona

[barren lotus]

welp, enough of my ranting and more writing

[smoky quest]

if they can't accept me with my persona, they don't deserve me at my best

[barren lotus]

The worst kind of job ads are the ones which I have literally every single one of the requirements because I am not even going to get an interview

look at this

this is literally me, I AM THE UNICORN YOU ARE FUCKING LOOKING FOR

AND I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO GET AN INTERVIEW

/rant

applying for jobs bring out the worst in me

EVEN LINKEDIN AGREES

[icy pagoda]

do you have a bachelor's or diploma in CS/CE etc?

[barren lotus]

engineering counts

[icy pagoda]

it says "computer engineering". i'm unsure if they're open to generally engineering/STEM fields

[barren lotus]

i am going to fucking lose my mind

so you are one of them eh

[icy pagoda]

i'm not, i've seen mathematicians reason so much better about algorithms than CS degree holders
but i feel that job post is one of them

[near ocean]

Thats a whole list of requirements for what is essentially a fullstack monkey role

[barren lotus]

i dont mind being a fullstack monkey

i like making products that people use, it was never about the money. i would have done it for free if not for bills i have to pay

[icy pagoda]

you might still get an interview ngl, good luck for that

[barren lotus]

i was an AI fan once, back when LLMs didnt exist, I thought that good AI models were going to actually solve a lot of problems and replace a lot of software engineering roles. i saw this so far ahead of time i chose to take a different course because i knew that this field was going to be completely packed. because biomedical engineering is a domain knowledge, i thought that it, together with my years of programming experience is going to make me so employable, plus, i get a back up plan even if i cant get a job i want, since biomedical engineering is a hardware thing that you can use AI to replace. fast forward to graduation and then i got told by recruiters that they are only looking for singaporeans and PRs, and they have reserved the foreigner quota to nursing roles, because most people do not want to be nurses. if i could choose i dont want to apply for software engineering roles, but i have no way of proving to other people that i can engineer stuff other than with engineering software, because i dont have the kind of money to build hardware to do R&D and show people what i can do

[crisp stream]

what are PRs?

[barren lotus]

and now i get people telling me that they ONLY want people who graduated from CS/CE because of course, you can ONLY learn programming at college and nothing else

[near ocean]

pull requests, silly

[barren lotus]

Permanent Residents

[crisp stream]

oh

[icy pagoda]

even if you had chosen CS/CE, you would probably need to deal with singaporean and PR problems anyways

[barren lotus]

no, they have provisions for "aI tAlEnTs"

[quiet solstice]

guyz what should i focus on learning

after python

i decided to do ml

[river knot]

Hello, I'm a Bsc (Hons) Data Science student from Sri Lanka. I've been writing technical articles on medium (medium.com/@river knot), mostly about things I'm learning like CPython internals, Python confusion points and small projects write-ups and some fun ones.

I'm not very experienced developer. I've done some outsourced full stack web dev work for local companies and was a bank trainee before university. I just really enjoy learning deeply and explaining things.

I wanted to ask: do people sill get paid for technical writing these days, especially with AI everywhere? And am I even qualified to apply such writing programs or roles?

I cant join Medium's Partner Program right now (financial situation here is bit rough), so I'm mostly writing to learn. If anyone has advice on this area...

[barren lotus]

I've been thinking: do I just list 10 different small minor features that I added

[vast shoal]

@urban geode Don't you work in this area?

[vast shoal]

It's not permitted to provide or ask for paid jobs in this server, but you can get advice.

[river knot]

@vast shoal Oh sorry! I do want advice mostly. I will edit the original message

[near ruin]

hello

[quick stratus]

Hey man, first off respect for grinding technical articles on Medium while studying Data Science in Sri Lanka. Writing about CPython internals, Python gotchas and small projects is legit valuable content, especially when it's coming from someone who's still learning deeply and explaining it clearly. That “I just enjoy learning and explaining” vibe is exactly what makes good technical writers stand out.

Yes, people still get paid for technical writing in 2026 quite a bit actually even with AI everywhere.
But the game has changed, and the bar is higher now.

AI ate most of the low-effort “10 ways to do X in Python” spam, but companies, newsletters, dev tools, open-source projects and education platforms are paying more than ever for human-written, deep, trustworthy, well-explained content that AI still struggles to match especially on internals, debugging war stories, nuanced comparisons, real project breakdowns.

[river knot]

Thank you, I really do enjoy it and I plan to continue writing regardless of whether it pays or not (though yeah, getting paid would be a nice bonus 😄).

Your message honestly helped a lot. I kind of assumed technical writing was dying and that I was mostly just doing this for fun, so it’s nice to hear that deep, human written content still matters. Thanks for the insight.

[urban geode]

Depends on what you mean by "technical writing". Many of the jobs that involved software documentation for internal use are pretty much dried up. Writing about technology generally is another story, and the field rewards people with work that reflects lived experience. Explainers and such are having a harder time standing out because of the way people tend to just have an LLM explain something to them, but my hot contrariant take is there's always room foor a good explainer that also includes lived experience of some kind. ("Why would I want to do this?" or "Why does this matter?" are questions that people who have stubbed their toes on something are far better equipped to answer than an LLM.)

People want to know a person went out, did something, understood it deeply, and can come back to talk about it in useful ways.

[river knot]

That’s a really good point. Most of my writing comes from things I’ve personally struggled with or dug into deeply, so the “lived experience” angle resonates a lot. Thanks, that’s encouraging to hear. I should probably clarify that I don’t really have experience with formal software documentation or internal docs, though I do write docs for my own projects. Sounds like very different paths now.

[urban geode]

Most of those kinds of things are generated automatically from code itself, or written by the developer (in their infinite spare time, hoho),.

[smoky quest]

no one is going to enjoy laundry lists.
Pick the top or top 3 or something

[river knot]

Yeah, that checks out 😄, Guess I'll just continue writing on medium

[smoky quest]

Let's say you are a company that writes software.
Regardless AI is involved or not in the process, they still need at least someone to make sure that the software is documented and has KB, tutorials, reference, etc.

[river knot]

Yeah I see, so writing isn't completely dead after all.

also KB is for Knowledge Base right 🙂

[smoky quest]

It's like every new tool/tech. It increases productivity. So a company has the choice between:

• Do the same thing, with less people
• Do more things, with the same amount of people

Regardless of that choice, it doesn't eliminate the purpose

[smoky quest]

yes

[river knot]

Hmm, yes that makes sense, Oh the stories I hear these days are freaking me out.

[smoky quest]

There might be a transitory period to account for that new found productivity, but in the end, we will always produce more software, not less. And so the need for people to help with that will come back.

[river knot]

Man, now only I saw this. While posting this I was in my phone, seriously I'm stupid sometimes

[vast shoal]

It's ok, people miss it all the time

[river knot]

I should remember these lines to tell someone, hardly anyone here really appreciates low-level programming and stuff like that. Most people here, even devs, are all about websites. I do know the pain of building corporate sites though—endless meetings, tight deadlines, messy spreadsheets… Nowadays people act like websites are no big deal because of AI, but even now, corporate clients here still need devs to actually build them. (Dev teams might use AI to help, but companies themselves don’t have the time or skills to build and maintain sites, unless it’s a tech company; otherwise, they just outsource.)

Anyways, thanks guys. You all genuinely gave me some hope, and that’s more than enough to get me going.

[quick stratus]

Hey, that's awesome to hear — the fact that you're already set on continuing even without pay right now is honestly the strongest signal you'll eventually turn it into something that does pay if/when you want it to.

A lot of the best technical writers I know started exactly where you are writing because they loved unpacking complicated stuff and making it click for others, not because a paycheck was waiting. The money came later sometimes years later once there was enough good content out there that people and companies started reaching out.

[sturdy cloak]

im rewriting my cv give me some feed back to work on that

[fringe sphinx]

Start with: That's not "work experience". That's more like "Projects"

For the first challenge, the first and last bullets should probably be grouped. They both relate to your results / achievement. I'd probably lead with the second/third bullets: talk first about what you did, what you used, etc.

[sturdy cloak]

I was thinking about that but the winning code goes to production that's why i thought by calling it exp will give more immpact

[fringe sphinx]

In the summary, perhaps change the focus from the generic and passively phrased "I can bring curiosity...", and instead focus on your research or topical areas of focus.

[fringe sphinx]

It's not what employers consider "Work Experience".

[sturdy cloak]

ok do think i need to make it shorter it seems too long

[fringe sphinx]

Summary isn't really that important. If you have something interesting to say, say it.

Just to be clear - you have a good start. You just need to "tighten" it up.

(refine it)

[sturdy cloak]

yea that's what im trying to do 🙂

what do think will be the best approach i have other project on cv and nlp but i want to focus more on tabular data that's why in my cv all of them are on that do u think mixing it up will be better?

[fringe sphinx]

If you're applying to ML focused jobs, this is a great combination of projects.

I'm more of a SWE/DE, so for my roles, I prefer to see something with testing and/or CI/CD, or users, or whatever.

But, you may want to have different variants of your resume. Such as one with the NLP and/or CV work, if you don't know what the position requires.

[sturdy cloak]

and i participated in multiple hackathones do u think I need to add them like showing that i collaborate with my team and "ship my models"

[fringe sphinx]

I'd show them, yes. Teamwork is important/helpful to show.

Delete this and your other similar posts, or you'll be banned.

!compban 1380997230529482793

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @vagrant timber until <t:1769805460:f> (4 days).

[sturdy cloak]

yea but uk i would like to keep it one page or shorter so that will make me remove one project to add space

[fringe sphinx]

You could just list the hackathons briefly

And shrink summary

Your formatting is a bit off too, some whitespace/etc.

[sturdy cloak]

and I made some challenges for an event we made in my uni and i teached in a work shop too but i dont know what is best to put on my CV

[peak halo]

!warn @eager jay your message was removed for asking for work, which is not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @eager jay.

[sturdy cloak]

@fringe sphinx I have one last space to fill. What do you think is better to include
The ML challenges I created for my uni club event (I collected and generated data, designed multiple challenges, monitored participants, and built the evaluation and scoring system on the platform) or the workshop I taught (three sessions of 1.5 hours covering Python and basic machine learning)?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure. Both sound really good.

Maybe add both, and then get some feedback on how to condense?

[sturdy cloak]

i will make the education part shorter and add them both

[valid quartz]

I have a question, is coding a good way to earn money as a side hustle? I'm willing to learn coding but i wonder if its a real way of making some money while i study or if im just doing it for fun

[trim rose]

Creating solutions for business can be a good side hustle. Websites, work flow automations, quick base apps

[valid quartz]

oh okay, what do you recommend i try to learn? which coding langauge and where would it be best to be used?

[trim rose]

I do not know to be honest I am getting into programming I was selling solutions to businesses other people made or using low code tools. I know people that all they do is Wordpress websites and n8n/make.com automations and charges multiple thousands per job so maybe whatever language those tools use which I think is JavaScript?

[valid quartz]

oh okay so where should i begin? what platform?

[sturdy cloak]

what do u guys think after the refining

[trim rose]

Getting good at making websites is always a good side hustle. People say it’s over saturated but businesses always are paying someone to build them a website.

[valid quartz]

hmm okay, where should i look for jobs that do exactly that?

[trim rose]

Side hustle isn’t a job. You’d have to find someone who wants a website built and charge them money then build it for them

[valid quartz]

correction, side hustle. Where would be a good place to look?

[trim rose]

If you want to sell solutions to businesses to make money on the side you gotta well sell and market yourself to potentional customers.

[valid quartz]

yeah, but do i do that on discord, reddit, instagram, tiktok. which platform would be best?

[trim rose]

LinkedIn, cold calling people or pitching them. You gotta meet people who own businesses that could benefit from a new website (or one sr all), work flow whatever. If you’ve never done any type of sales it’s gonna be just like programming it’s a skill of itself. Easiest way to explain it you just need to talk to people who own businesses and tell them you make xyz. More people who know you and know what you do more likely you can opportunities.

[valid quartz]

Okay, thanks! It all feels confusing, should i start making websites or should i start learning coding and then see what happens after

[smoky quest]

there is no best platform. You would want to do it everywhere

you may not use them the same way, but you would want to take advantage of everything you can

[valid quartz]

Yeah that is true, should i start looking on every platform?

[trim rose]

You sound really early into this so you should just make something. It will help you learn. Selling services to make stuff requires you to know how to make stuff.

[valid quartz]

yeah, im just trying to set a goal for myself and see if this path is worth going down

[slate holly]

.

[trim rose]

What is your long term plan with programming? Is it to get a job as a dev? Is it to improve another career with it as additional skill? Or do you want to become an entrepreneur and make your own software one day?

[valid quartz]

I don't really know actually, for now its just to make money as a side hustle, but i would think that it will also come handy further down the line after im done studying

[trim rose]

What are you studying currently?

[valid quartz]

well i study in sweden and i dont think its the same as in the us, but basically i study within IT

[trim rose]

Work flow automations are really a good skill. Even in normal jobs knowing how to make that stuff is really helpful and I myself have sold that service to businesses and paid handsomely for doing stupid easy stuff hardly coding on make.com or zapier.

[valid quartz]

oh okay, well i will try to look around and see what i can find

Thank you for the help!

[crisp shoal]

Um... so I'm currently in Highschool (11th grade) and want to work as a cloud engineer after i finish college (bachelor's degree in computer science), but it's kind of hard to know about what to learn since i can't really find any good roadmaps or anything that could help me.

[smoky quest]

If I was you, I would probably try to establish a presence on instagram/tiktok to establish your expertise and making yourself known, while reaching out to businesses and people on other platforms

That's also assuming you are way beyond just being a beginner

[valid quartz]

Okay

[solid parcel]

At a high level, you've got two approaches imo.

A) Start with theory and fundamentals

or

B) Learn just enough of everything to get up and running.

The former gives you a solid foundation but takes longer to get going, the latter gives you just enough to build, but as a result you'll have less of a mental model of how things fit together.

Neither is inherently wrong, and in practice it's certainly possible to dip between approaches or retrofit gaps in your understanding. Do you have a preference between the two approaches? What does 'cloud engineering' mean to you? It's a fairly stretched term and I want to make sure any resources I'm throwing your way are relevant for you 🙂

[crisp shoal]

Honestly, with how people are saying the job market is bad, and how this is the only option for me, Ill choose whichever option helps me get a job...

[solid parcel]

I'd go with fundamentals, then. You've got enough time to build up a solid base before you'll be looking to get into the job market. A fair bit of what I'll suggest will be things you come across at uni anyways, so if you dive into them now you may find you've got more headspace to target internships and the like, as in many cases you'll be refreshing yourself on concepts rather than encountering them for the first time.

Do you know if you're more interested in the dev side of things, or operations? Have you got any background in tech? Could be as simple as having built a pc, or written a Hello World program, for example.

Just looking to get some clarity on what you're after before I point you to some resources 🙂 And no worries if you're not entirely sure yet...

[crisp shoal]

Well, ive used a PC for over 10 years now. Also, i used javascript for 2 years before switching over to python recently (I think im medium-beginner level of python, almost high-beginner). I use windows (though i just installed WSL ubuntu), and i have no significant IT experience.

[next plover]

i will die on this hill, learning how to use linux is one of the best things anyone can do to develop computer skills

if you dont have a path you want to follow linux is a good start, you can choose easy medium or really hard distrobutions and all of them will help you learn different aspects of how computers work

[crisp shoal]

I tried last year, but honestly, i was too immature last year, since linux didn't have some of the stuff i wanted. Thats why i thought of getting WSL

[solid parcel]

Unless you're messing around with things in the kernel, for the most part WSL should be absolutely fine. A lot of devs use it. If you've got enough oomph, you could also go for a full Linux VM 🙂

What have you done in terms of programming so far? How familiar are you with basic syntax and data structures? Have you come across the concept of time and space complexity before? Do you know if you're more interested in managing infrastructure, deployment mechanisms, reliability (operations, in other words) or becoming a developer?

[visual umbra]

looking for freelance work if anyone is looking. I have five years experience with programming. I am willing to do work for cheap to build up some credability

[barren lotus]

I hope you realize an intern isn't going to get to add large features, only things like a button that does something

[crisp shoal]

Im great with basic syntax and data stuctures. For time and space complexity... not really. And honestly, it doesnt really matter what i do, if it would be good enough to get me a job as a cloud engineer.
Sorry for the late message!

[true harness]

it depends on the internship. it's quite common to have normal dev tasks as part of a team as well as a special "intern project" where you do something cool

[proud knoll]

Hi

Who can speak arabic

@unreal niche انا حاسس نفسي زنجي وسط اميركانز

[peak halo]

Hello @proud knoll, it's required to speak English here.

[unreal niche]

#python-discussion speak here 😭😭

[proud knoll]

Ok l sry

Can l speak about html and css ? @peak halo

[peak halo]

not in this channel, since it's about careers. you can talk about html and css in the off-topic channels

!topic

[inner wren]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:

• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Use any of the three, it doesn't matter.
The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[proud knoll]

Ty @peak halo

[solid parcel]

I'm actually going to suggest a two-pronged approach. The idea being it should help you build a good foundation without you being stuck bogged down in nothing but theory...

On the theory side, I'd recommend checking out Operating Systems: Three Easy Pieces. It will help you get a much better idea of how computers actually work under the hood. In turn, that will help a whole ton of other concepts make sense when you actually learn them. It'll also mean you're much, much more adept at troubleshooting than people that have only engaged at the surface level.

On the practical side, I'd check out this course https://learntocloud.guide/

It'll take you through from basics to building up a three tier app, including deployment mechanisms, cloud hosting and so on. You'll end up using a lot of tools and concepts that you'd likely work with daily as a cloud engineer, and it gives you a great base to build on. Once you've got a project like this built, it's super easy to dive deeper into the specific parts that interest you.

FYI I'm a cloud engineer so if you've got any questions, feel free to give me a shout

[barren lotus]

yea, my "big intern project" is developing the tech support website

i still want to be able to say that i have good foundations though, since im a fresh graduate

[crisp shoal]

Wow. Thank you very much! This is incredibly helpful, I've been stressing for the past couple weeks trying to figure out a good roadmap.

[smoky quest]

That is orthogonal to having a laundry list or not.

Though some interns have larger contributions than others

[barren lotus]

i feel like i have more contributions to my second internship lol, because the engineers are just "vendor-callers", problems in some equipment? call the vendor. wheel out equipment. wait for vendor. do electrical tests. back into the operating room it goes

i need to stop bitching about resumes and just send them

lots of projects to work on

[smoky quest]

yeah, that's a common issue. Sometimes students feel they only need to have internships but don't pay attention to the 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 of that internship and that not all internships provide the same opportunities.
It's also no different later in your career. Like you may find someone who chills out at work for 2-3 years but then have nothing to show for when they have to look for their next job

[barren lotus]

i mean... if there are no demonstrated skills i got from that internship then it reasons that my demonstrated skill would be communicating my own knowledge to other people and creating brand new stuff

[smoky quest]

or it reasons that you chilled during that time and learned nothing of value

if an intern brings in knowledge to people, it says a lot more about the place than the intern

[barren lotus]

i had to explain to my supervisors why the id needs to be unique to be used as a key in the system

[barren lotus]

it is a government holding hospital

[smoky quest]

focusing on the impact, you are saying you helped refactored existing code to correctness?

[smoky quest]

you would still need some proper mentorship

[barren lotus]

no, it's not existing code, i wrote the code, and then i explained to them why i wrote it that way

[barren lotus]

well, how might you talk about your day-to-day

[marble ether]

I am gonna do a python job that requires 0-2 years of experience in python

Like I wanna make sure that I am skilled at python projects to make sure that I can do a good job in that kind of field

[barren lotus]

i wonder what happens if i just fuck the formatting and just go down the job description telling them exactly how i match

[smoky quest]

What do you mean?

[smoky quest]

you are overthinking it and describing a cover letter

[barren lotus]

this is a cover letter?

wait what? was this how i was supposed to use my cover letter?

[smoky quest]

a cover letter is used to demonstrate your motivation and how you are such a great fit for the role. So yeah, articulating how you are exactly a match is part of it

[static stratus]

What do companies and engineers think about using AI in development?

[quick cedar]

Hi everyone is any one here working on a project i can help him with

[barren lotus]

i guess the reason why my career advisor advised me to follow a formula is because she didnt know that i have WAY more than enough to write

[hard glen]

hi

i from Việt Nam

[hexed jewel]

Can I ask for a resume review here?

[vast shoal]

Yes

[jagged locust]

So much stuff in technical skills wth

I have a few years of experience and I only put Python C# MSSQL in there and that’s plenty enough when I apply for jobs

[next plover]

I would be very suspicious if I saw those technical skills

Nobody can actually keep up with that many languages at once

[fringe sphinx]

Good start. For a student, I'd put education up top. The most important thing someone needs to know is your graduation date and major.

Experience second. The internship is good. Then projects

[hexed jewel]

i have projects in each

is it okay to mention no. of github stars?

[next plover]

I generally put my top 2 or 3 langs, for example I don't have Cojur, common lisp, rust, or bash even though I've worked with all of those and have projects

[hexed jewel]

fair

is this better?

[ornate grove]

How do you Deal With Impostor Syndrome ? and do you guys need an Intern ?

[hexed jewel]

poorly

I fluctuate between imposter syndrome and god complex

[hexed jewel]

from my projects, which one would u remove?

[barren lotus]

So you fluctuate between job applications and programming

[vast shoal]

One thing is to realize that it happens to everyone. Confidence is not something you can build before you actually start doing the thing, you build it by doing the thing, so by necessity, you're not going to feel confident in yourself in the beginning.

To misquote Syndrome, if everybody's got impostor syndrome, then nobody does.

[fluid mirage]

Does Python help in accounting roles? I’m currently majoring in Accountancy.

[outer granite]

Is anyone here familiar or is experience with any HPC Engineer roles? I would like to know what were their day-to-day duties and expected pay scale.

[solid parcel]

Useful tool, not a replacement for engineering judgement. Gives better results the more specific you can be (which therefore necessitates expertise in order to leverage it effectively). Potentially shifts the burden from code creation to code review. We may see that becoming the new bottleneck.

[sturdy cloak]

Guys is putting small white text hidden in my cv to help with the automated system a good move?

It sounds good, companies don’t care about us so why would we play fairly?

[true harness]

no

[jagged locust]

This is still way too much

[peak halo]

I asked my coworker in the HPC department, and this is what he wrote. He's an exceptionally nice person, so please be very grateful:

it depends on the type of role. sometimes you're expected to be a jack of all trades, sometimes you're siloed into specific disciplines. there's many facets of HPC these days, and each one is a discipline unto itself:

• linux skills of course. most HPCs are some flavor of Debian-like (Ubuntu) or EL-like (RHEL/Suse)
• storage (hard disks and ssds, filesystems like GPFS, Lustre, VAST, ZFS, and many others, quota management (bytes and inodes))
• networking (layer 2 protocol (ethernet, infiniband, slingshot, etc), and design for parallelism at large scale)
• scheduler (slurm is the major front runner these days, but there are others like PBS, Torque, Flex, etc)
• automation tools (Nvidia Base Command Manager, HPE HPCM/Cray, or Grendl)
• account management (user and project/group accounting, w.r.t. the OS, scheduler, and compliance)
• hardware maintenance (accelerators like GPUs and FPGAs, chassis RMAs when something inevitably breaks (it's often at this scale))
• monitoring and alerting (when you're tracking thousands of machines, you need to efficiently detect and handle problems. challenging at scale!)
• compliance (what security standard are you adhering to? many US-based clusters follow NIST guidance, like 800-171a or 800-234)
  The clusters at our company are small, so we can get away with being jacks of all trades, but most other places operate at much larger scale. at national labs in the US, for example, they work with machines in the ~4000 node scale, and there's too much to do for there to be generalists. expect to be hired into a specific facet and occasionally softshell into other facets
  most of the time, my day-to-day is a mixture of:
• working on our home-grown accounting system
• handling compliance violations detected by automatic scans of the system
• handling user tickets (we don't have a team large enough to have a dedicated tier-1 support group, so we all take tickets too)

[blissful imp]

What country?

[visual flax]

Is the ability to learn faster real? Like did all the time I spent learning game engines, programming languages, and well just about anything help me in learning other things?

[solid parcel]

You can certainly learn to absorb concepts faster, yes. Though I would argue greater gains often come from being strategic about spaced repetition in order to maximise retention.

[next plover]

you also get better at critical thinking with practice so it helps as long as you train your brain by doing hard things

for example playing an instrument increases cognitive function / memory which helps everywhere

[fleet sparrow]

Chess is the secret to memory

[open ivy]

Seems like letting yourself be overworked (which is a psychological state and not a strict hours/week rule) rapidly leads to burnout and job loss. I see this pattern a lot.

Makes me wonder the best ways to set boundaries for tech jobs and for "stopgap" jobs?

[static stratus]

I see I see. Many companies have policies against it. Tools like cursor aren’t allowed at many workspaces due to security concerns. Is that how it is at your workspace too?

[solid parcel]

I work for a bank, so it's highly regulated. We have access to GitHub Copilot, but it's frustratingly limited. The risk is that where the tooling the org is officially supporting isn't particularly fit for purpose, engineers end up unofficially working around it. I know there's a ton of shadow IT going on. Lots of data will be being exfiltrated daily by people sending info out to the public versions of Claude, chat-GPT and so on. It's a source of frustration for me that management don't recognise how counterproductive their stifling approach is...

If they had their act together with this stuff, they could provide much more flexibility to colleagues, while also ensuring they control the data end to end.

[vast shoal]

We're also only permitted to use Copilot, but I don't feel like it's too limiting. Copilot has plugins for a lot of apps, a CLI tool like Claude Code, Github integration, APIs, web chat UI like ChatGPT, etc.

If you use Copilot plugins for VSCode or Jetbrains IDEs, that's more or less equivalent to Cursor, I feel.

I think we could probably negotiate the use of other AI providers as well if we can show that their data management policy is sound and that it's worth any license fees. Copilot is just the only one we've evaluated and paid licenses for so far.

[solid parcel]

Ah, yeah I should perhaps clarify that we are using a version with very restricted connectivity. At my org even downloading standard VSCode extensions has to be done from an internal drive... Very locked down to try and minimise risk. So while we have Copilot, it's sadly kneecapped.

[vast shoal]

Sounds horrible.

One of our customers also has a very locked down network and we occasionally have to work from inside it, and it's always a frustrating experience.

[solid parcel]

It is 🙃 And it's deeply frustrating to me that management don't understand that if their governed offering isn't lower friction or a better experience than the alternatives, engineers will simply work round it. They're so risk averse, they're leaving themselves more exposed...

[vast shoal]

Yeah, overly draconian prohibition just creates black markets

[analog sun]

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[little juniper]

hey guys, ive worked 3 years as a dev... trying to go back to it now after 2 years of having my own business (i need steady income because fatherhood). Is the market the same as before? I found it a bit harsher and also a lot of jobs asking for Comp Sci degrees which I dont have.

Is this still possible?

[peak halo]

The market is the worst it's been for many years, and even people with CS degrees are struggling to find work.

[little juniper]

even for not so highly paid positions? around 3k a month or so. Thanks for the response

[solid parcel]

Lots of juniors are scrambling for pretty much any position they can get at the moment. Happily if you've got 3 years experience, I'd class you as more mid-level than junior, though the 2 year gap isn't great.

Whereabouts are you? Are you in the US?

[open ivy]

What if I download an LLM and run it completely offline? No data leak

[little juniper]

Yeah, I have some scripting experience but I'm aware I'm not the best and I need more experience. I'm from and currently living in Uruguay

[solid parcel]

Yes, in an environment that doesn't have big limitations on what you're able to download, and assuming you had a device significantly more powerful than the laptop specs the org provides, then that would be an option...

[balmy mural]

I did this. Also work in banking and they were slow to adopt LLM usage. It's just way too slow with too small of a context window to be effective if you're just running it on a laptop

[open ivy]

There is no way I can compete. I am simply outclassed in terms of selling myself.

But thankfully I am not yet needing a stopgap job or struggling with homelessness. Both of which are extremely common here in the SF bay.

Just because someone is in a tent or a Home Depot doesn't mean they lack passion in tech. We need better resources for them and the challenges they face.

[open ivy]

Why can't they just use an internal LLM server that has a high end GPU? No external leaks.

[vast shoal]

Because it costs money to run it

[balmy mural]

Because that has a big upfront cost if you want to run it completely internally. And they weren't willing to shell out for subscriptions for enterprise versions that don't use your data for training models initially either

[vast shoal]

And even if banks have infinite money, they won't spend it unless they think it's worth it

[open ivy]

It also costs money if the employees are stuck with outdated tools.

[open ivy]

Aren't there decent open source LLMs?

[balmy mural]

THe hardware costs money, not the open source LLM

[peak halo]

yes, but running them on-prem is expensive.

[open ivy]

More expensive than the lost productivity that employees face not being able to use LLMs?

[near ocean]

We've made it decades without LLMs, we can manage

[balmy mural]

Banks are always going to be slow to adopt anything new. They can't take on the same risks that a fresh startup can

[vast shoal]

I mean, it's still pretty up for debate how much productivity gains you get from using LLMs in general.

[peak halo]

I'm not sure how to quantify that, but I'm not the one who'd need to be convinced.

[vast shoal]

Some people may be benefitting from it, but I've heard of other organizations where it's the reverse.

[open ivy]

It depends on what your doing. Generally the more "boring, straightforward" tasks it can do better, like most tools. It's secondary for my own work but I would imagine that jobs at a bank have plenty of "ok how do we get this library to do that" and less of "oh how do I optimize my code with nuanced multi grid preconditioner".

[vast shoal]

What I mean is, in some organizations where they are not used optimally, access to LLM can cause overall productivity to fall.

[open ivy]

I am careful to test the code it spits out.

Many people aren't I guess...

[vast shoal]

Maybe a manager at a bank would decide not to risk that happening on top of the investment of running an on-prem LLM.

[open ivy]

How do people balance stopgap jobs in retail or whatever with a tech passion?

[dense ice]

How do people balance stopgap jobs in retail or whatever with a tech passion?

[peak halo]

why did you copy them?

[open ivy]

If the market is tough, this is necessary to do.

It's not easy but doing so allows progress in tech as well as protection from burnout.

[near ocean]

Its probably a bot, see #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[open ivy]

Tough market in tech? Learn from the experts of tough markets:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistLounge/comments/1je0e2g/for_artists_who_have_a_day_job_how_are_you/

[solid parcel]

Imo a lot of this stems from A) orgs reaching for AI as the solution upfront instead of defining requirements and then selecting the most appropriate solution based on that and B) Top-down control structures resulting in orgs providing what they think their employees need, rather than providing a flexible enough platform for their employees to organically build on top of.

[dusty fulcrum]

WTF, LOL.

[solid parcel]

Wild, LinkedIn is the tool recruiters use most ime

[peak halo]

"currently", "at this time". pick one.

[dusty fulcrum]

her linked in btw:

Sophia Ryan
Recruiting Manager, Vice President at Robert Half Marketing & Creative

VP of recruiting is not willing to click on the linkedin link I gave her?

We're probably not going to find a match here. 🙂

[dusty fulcrum]

it was her including her linkedin link in her email that made me chuckle the most.

[solid parcel]

Ha, yeah I rolled my eyes at that

[errant wasp]

Hi

[peak halo]

!warn @errant wasp don't spam messages like "Hi" in a bunch of channels

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @errant wasp.

[proud otter]

I'm learning more about algorithms in university and honestly I could use alot more practice they are super useful

I 100% still do unnecessary loops where one formula would be better

Anyone have a way to learn and practice this?

[timber delta]

hey im 17 and i want to know if i can make coding my job and make big money ? i start learning python and i like it but i wanna know if i can be wealthy with coding ?

[peak halo]

what do you mean by "big money"?
regardless, you'll need to get a degree in something like computer science for prospective employers to take you seriously. how are your grades?

[next plover]

You can make good money you just have to be good and get lucky with an opportunity for a job

[true harness]

practice more

[solid parcel]

Usernames starting with exclamation marks seem to be highly correlated with bots

[proud otter]

Real but where or what

Like a material or website for math algorithms?
Where can I find them to learn and practice

[true harness]

leetcode, codeforces, codewars, your prof

[next plover]

Nah its fairly common

Puts you at the top of the user list on the right side

[solid parcel]

Be that as it may, a disproportionately high number of users with an exclamation mark at the start of their name are bots

[fringe sphinx]

Practice sites like Exercism, Codewars, Leetcode and hackerrank, if you don't have time for a project

[tropic schooner]

What types of projects can I build that are related to Data Science?

I'm currently looking into diving deeper into Data Science, but I'm also not really sure about doing it. Is there any projects I can do to learn more about it, and also see if I even want to make this my niche?

[zealous pine]

Ciao! Me la cavo con la programmazione e la tecnologia e cerco lavoro online da remoto

[fast fossil]

!rule english

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[errant wasp]

Hi, everyone

[timber delta]

im in france but i was more talking like beeing a freelance or something like that not working for a company

and for my grades that ok and in computer science im one of the best

the school in France is really not very advanced in computer science so in high school we just do some basics python

[jagged locust]

You can do France-IOI

It’s for high school students

And probably good for you if you wanna do « advanced » computer science

[timber delta]

I just looked at it and it's really cool thx man I'm gonna look at it more deeply

[smoky quest]

make sure your grades in math/physics are more than ok

especially if you aim for prepas

[timber delta]

In France, we have to choose three subjects to specialize in, and then in the final year of high school, we have to drop one. I chose math, physics, and computer science, but I think that in my last year, I’ll drop physics.

[timber delta]

i don't think i will aim prepa it full théorie and i dont like that

[ruby zodiac]

Math better i think

[smoky quest]

What are you aiming for after high school?
Because you won't make big money with a bts

[timber delta]

I can’t drop math in France if you do physique you can’t understood without what we do in math

[timber delta]

I don’t realy know bc Even with prepa you won’t make a lot of money if you work for a company in France

[ruby zodiac]

do you khow something about textil?

[timber delta]

I was thinking maybe a dut of computer science

[smoky quest]

you would definitely make more than the average folks

[smoky quest]

nope

[ruby zodiac]

bcs im studying textil right now but i will change it to industrial enginier

[smoky quest]

yeah it's a good start if you can use it to then go to a license or even better: engineer

[ruby zodiac]

if im accepted after passing a exam

[timber delta]

Yeah i understood but prépa is realy hell like 10h+ a day as someone that do a lot of sport i don’t think i could survive stopping All activities

[smoky quest]

I mean, to get to an engineering school after the DUT will also require you to work very hard to be at the top of your class

you are gonna have to work hard either way

though the DUT will be less abstract

[next plover]

you can

[ruby zodiac]

i have a friend in prepa in morocco

[next plover]

assuming its just a 2 year degree like here in the US? thats what google says

[smoky quest]

you can also win at the lottery and be billionaire

[next plover]

i got a 2 year degree and make very good money im not sure why you are acting like its impossible. if you put the work in it will pay off, you are at a disadvantage for sure though

[timber delta]

as what i hear engineering school is way more chill than prepa

[smoky quest]

are you making 80k+ euro/year in france after a bts?

[next plover]

do you really want my salary?

[smoky quest]

sure

[true harness]

pay is highly location dependent

[next plover]

slightly over double USD for 20-24 age range (average)

well hold on its hard to find a good average

[timber delta]

yes pls !

[next plover]

i got very lucky sure but i also put in a lot of effort to get where i am so i personally dont discount a 2 year degree if you truly have passion and a bit of luck

[smoky quest]

that's just average entry level in mid/low COL in the US

[next plover]

again not many 20 year olds are in that range though

[smoky quest]

excluding equity and bonus

[smoky quest]

I mean, average 20 years old that get into the field for low/mod COL in the US

[next plover]

but this is not really about averages, is that not a good salary for a 2 year degree?

[smoky quest]

that's a smaller population than all 20 years old

[timber delta]

in france that the top 1%😂

[smoky quest]

Sure. It's good, and you should be proud of yourself

[next plover]

i am and that was kind of my point, you *can* its just stacked against you when looking for a job / getting past HR

[smoky quest]

yeah, in France, you should expect 40-50keuro as starting salary with a master. Closer to half without a master

And if you want to emigrate for bigger salary, a better degree will give you access to more visa quotas and make you more attractive as well

[timber delta]

do you have a bts CIEL ?

[next plover]

I have a 2 year degree in cybersecurity which i think is the same as a BTS as far as length goes

[timber delta]

yeah you are right i realy want to explore and go to the us or canada

[next plover]

i would wait 2 years before coming to the US

[peak halo]

At least 3.

[next plover]

yeah fair

[timber delta]

why ? about the politic ?

[next plover]

mhm

[timber delta]

?

[next plover]

yes it is the political situation so i would not come over anytime soon

[peak halo]

"mhm" means "yes"

[smoky quest]

It's the best time to travel and see the world! Plus international experience is always welcome!
So don't hesitate to look into other european countries, Switzerland or even Asia

[fast fossil]

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity - Seneca

[next plover]

bro stole my shit

[vapid jay]

Do you think a software engineer degree is worth it

Especially now that ai can code

[peak halo]

AI "being able to code" isn't the issue. it's the market.

[vapid jay]

I wanna start my own company

[peak halo]

I'm not sure if you need a degree to convince investors.

[vapid jay]

Do you think it’s better tho, to learn fundamental skills

[trim rose]

You don’t even need investors if you want a company. That’s the cool part you can just start ones

[peak halo]

No, you can learn it on your own, but you still have to be disciplined about it.

[vapid jay]

Yea, that was I thinking

I wanna make 420k a month

[peak halo]

is that USD?

[vapid jay]

Yes

[peak halo]

Did you pick that number for the meme?
That's about 5M a year. Good luck with that.

[peak halo]

sure, but if you want to afford rent and food, you need money coming in, or someone you can mooch off of.

Or savings.

[vapid jay]

I’m gonna have a monthly subscription

Rn I’m gonna start building html, css, js website for people but I don’t know where to find people

[peak halo]

are you going to charge each one 420/mo and hope you get 1000 of them? or the other way around?

[pine sleet]

Fiverr. but you'll be comepeting with thousands of other people from low COL areas doing the same thing as you but for dirt cheap

[trim rose]

You can start a business while working a part time gig to pay the bills. Not ideal but doable

[pine sleet]

regardless, the idea is to somehow stand out and provide a service at a quality only you can

[vapid jay]

I was gonna charge 600

[pine sleet]

There are guys on fiverr charging two bucks so whatever you do better be worth the cost

[vapid jay]

The thing I’m gonna do calls

[peak halo]

this is for the monthly subscription for your service?

do calls? no one wants to be called.

[vapid jay]

No, to build websites

I’m good at marketing

[vapid jay]

You build ai models ?

[peak halo]

what kind of calls are you going to do?

[vapid jay]

You use apis or from scratch

[peak halo]

both.

[vapid jay]

How much you charge to make one

[peak halo]

I don't. my company pays me the same amount every two weeks.

[vapid jay]

How did you learn

[peak halo]

I went to university and read stuff on the internet

[vapid jay]

Nice, you use python for them

Mhm, I might have to learn this

Where’s the best place to learn

[peak halo]

I'm not sure. But start with the basics. Which means, don't try to learn a single thing about LLMs for at least six months.

[vapid jay]

Basics like learn python

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vapid jay]

Thanks for the advice

[timber delta]

Yeah I Will probably finish in 6 years i hope america become more stable

[timber delta]

do python need other language to make thing like an mobile app ?

[tulip kraken]

is there anyway i can enroll into datacamp & get certifications for free; at least for one track; then i can do later on for other ones;

i'm trying to get the datacamp free cert for data analyst/data engineer

[trim crypt]

You could try the courses from Google https://www.skills.google/catalog?keywords=data+analyst&locale=

[lethal sierra]

hi guys i have question, I use django for developing apps. should i apply for job posts that want different kind of framework?

like laravel

[near ocean]

Laravel is in an entirely different language, its not a python framework like django is

[lethal sierra]

yeah i know that, my thought is that I can understand the fundamental of backend so i can idk learn it faster?

[near ocean]

The challenge is convincing employers that you can
Would you hire a python dev to learn and work on a php app or would you just hire a php dev

[lethal sierra]

yeah that's fair

so i have to learn multiple framework/languages?

[tribal thicket]

Does anyone know good websites for finding jobs remotely, like they don't require you even to be living in a specific country while you're working remotely?

[tulip kraken]

them don't give certs

[hexed jewel]

what is career even about

[peak halo]

having a job

[hexed jewel]

im not getting one

[balmy mural]

Don't think there's any right answer for this, but I'm maybe looking for some other perspectives on what other people would do if they were in my shoes.

I am emigrating to the Netherlands +- end of February. Tomorrow is the last day at my current job. I have 3.5 years of experience. Mainly in C# and Python. I've set my work status as open to work on LinkedIn and some other websites, and recruiters have started reaching out to me. I'm pretty stressed about actually landing a job in the current market, so I'm unsure on how or if I should be responding to positions where travel time to offices fall a bit outside of what I'm comfortable with. (Especially if office days are 3+ per week)
I am financially stable enough to job hunt for quite a while (probably 6-8 months, although I really don't want to be hunting for that long), so it's not like I have to find a job asap.

So my question is, if you were in my shoes, would you immediately cast a wide net in looking for jobs, or would you start narrow, looking for jobs closer to where you're staying, and expand that net as time goes on?

[calm lynx]

Hey all! I’m trying to improve my resume and would really appreciate your input.
Could you point out anything that should be edited, removed, or rewritten?
Any suggestions to make it clearer or more impressive would be super helpful. Thanks in advance!

[peak halo]

idk if the expectations are different in Ukraine. In the US, resumes are to be no longer than one page. You get one page to convey the most relevant details about yourself as they pertain to the job listing.

[warm sand]

Hey I am 15 years old and have started python not too long ago, is there anyway I can gain any amount of money like £5 or more

Using python

[plain pivot]

I'm looking for a job bidder.

[peak halo]

what's a job bidder?
keep in mind that you can't ask for or offer jobs here.

[hexed jewel]

is it okay if i only have one project in my resume?

[fast fossil]

do you have anything else besides it on your resume?

[hexed jewel]

no

[peak halo]

projects are less important than work experience. but it sounds like you don't have that at the moment.

if you're at a stage where you only have one project that's worth mentioning on your resume, I wouldn't even start applying.

[hexed jewel]

all my friends are employed

[peak halo]

do you have a degree? do they?

[hexed jewel]

yes, yes

[fast fossil]

why is that relevant?

[peak halo]

I assume by "friends" they're specifically talking about people from their university cohort.

is that true, @hexed jewel? it's helpful if you're specific about these things.

[hexed jewel]

no, my friends are from a different university

[peak halo]

but they went to one at the same time, or what? why are you comparing yourself to these people?

[hexed jewel]

i couldn't get into that uni because of shit grades

[peak halo]

my question still stands.

[hexed jewel]

why is my life not progressing at the same speed as theirs is

[peak halo]

What I mean is, why does it even make sense to compare yourself to them? are they the same age? did they start university around the same time?

[hexed jewel]

same age, been together since middle school

most of them in the same field (tech)

[pine sleet]

possible but difficult and not worth the effort for 5 bucks

[peak halo]

okay. I assume you didn't do an internship while you were a student (otherwise please say so). Did you get involved in any student groups? Or do any sort of projects in a formal setting, other than just the courses?

[hexed jewel]

nothing really

[peak halo]

how long ago did you graduate?

[hexed jewel]

im going to graduate this year, I don't have any classes or exams left so I can work full-time now

[peak halo]

are your friends already graduated, or are they in the same situation?

@hexed jewel

[hexed jewel]

same situation, they have gotten internship/probation I believe

[peak halo]

did you apply to internships and not get any?

[hexed jewel]

I've been trying to apply but yea no responses so far

I had gotten one interview last year which i got rejected from because i completely fumbled when asked to solve a system design problem

[stiff sinew]

!res

[inner wren]

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[stiff sinew]

how do i learn of this

[hexed jewel]

working on my resume

i have a lot of small projects but I don't feel like they belong on my resume, even the second project there doesn't belong

[pine sleet]

Probably better than all that white space