career-advice

[fast fossil]

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[tender thicket]

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[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @knotty turret permanently.

[atomic bane]

hello, I am new here and I have completed my basics in python (up to OOPS) any tips on learning new things that are actually essential for a programmer, and can you tell me on which platform should I learn?

[fringe sphinx]

Wdym which platform?

[visual plover]

I love getting scammer dms asking for me to work for them

[atomic bane]

like websites or yt channels

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, read this: #python-discussion message

[atomic bane]

Oh okay

Thnx

[jolly steeple]

Hello everyone, I am currently in my final year of high school, and I was wondering what skills I should know before starting college for Computer Science.

[lilac yoke]

What experience with CS / coding do you have now?

[jolly steeple]

i am new to coding

i know python and little bit pandas

[lilac yoke]

It's not necessarily bad to go into CS fresh off highschool without any advanced knowledge, in fact your courses are intended for that

[smoky quest]

The main thing at your stage are:

• Keep up the good grades so you can get into the college of your choice with a great start
• Have fun and discover things. See what's out there. There is far more to it than making websites. So make games, frontend, backend, robots, procedural art or even your own programming language!

Along the way, this will give you some foundations and develop a broad set of skills you will notice across your classes

[jolly steeple]

thx

[lilac yoke]

That being said, it's never too early to start some projects and learn on your own. Having a small portfolio before you even get into college puts you ahead of 99% of people, which is pretty valuable in this market. If you want to brainstorm some projects I can definitely help out there

[jolly steeple]

i actually needed that ngl

[final nimbus]

Is there any website to learn fsd in effective way I got odin project website other than that is there any

[jolly steeple]

yeah i have made some basic projects using python but do i need to learn anything like pandas, numpy or basic of aiml

[lilac yoke]

you probably won't have to touch that until some kind of data science and or statistics course (3rd year at least), even then you'd need to actively seek it out

If you intend to find a job using those tools, again it's never too early to learn. Any valid work you do now really puts you ahead of the curve

[jolly steeple]

okay thx

[vapid jay]

Hi, I worked as Software Engineer - C++ for 4 years. I moved to Python team now, internally. My designation now as Junior Python Developer. It will affect my career growth?

[smoky quest]

people might wonder why you are still a junior engineer after 4 years

[vapid jay]

That's what I also feel like...

[smoky quest]

Any reason why you are still as junior after 4 years? Were there no promotions for you?

[vapid jay]

I worked in CyberSecurity department for CAD software in C++. Since, I moved to python team, they used for SAP. I'm new for SAP. But, I used python before for robotics...

[smoky quest]

it doesn't really matter. Some folks are senior at 4 years of experience.
So to what do you attribute having never had a promotion in 4 years?

[woeful oracle]

Hello, everybody. I just joined in this field.

I look forward to your selfless assistance

[jade pelican]

whats selfless mean

[woeful oracle]

It's about sharing with each other

[woeful oracle]

understand?

are you dev?

[jade pelican]

yep

[shrewd frigate]

Hello everyone, I've learned about data scraping from my industry. Do you have any suggestions on learning Python for data scraping? I'm a beginner, so any advice is welcome. Thank you!

[dawn basin]

You should start looking into beautifulsoup4 and selenium and how they work as a beginner for scraping

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion , you'll get better answers there!

[fringe sphinx]

Welcome!

[woeful oracle]

me too

[woeful oracle]

what's up?

[fringe sphinx]

You probably want #python-discussion , the main chat (programming related)

[signal oar]

Hey am doing kind of online degree.
Am afraid that am making very less connections or rather internship opportunities
Just focusing on academics and finishing this degree

but i really like this field and am currently hoping to look for a job after the degree is over

idk how should i start looking right now. Or should i....

Looking for advices

[balmy mural]

If you say "kind of", is it still recognised as a bachelours of science? You do miss out a bit on connections, but can still apply for internships. And as long as the degree is still recognised as the same as an in person university degree, it should hold the same weight as the university degree in most places you apply to

[pure raft]

After you graduate what is your advice for “getting relevant experience” in the US? I wasn’t able to secure any internships, I currently work in a completely unrelated field

[balmy mural]

I'm not US based, so keep that in mind. But if you have a degree in CS, and you have good projects that demonstrate relevant skills, then you should at least be getting to the interview stages with companies. Even if you don't have internship experience.

[pure raft]

And if I have ai projects? Is there a number of applications that if I send out is a red flag like a you need to fix something in your resume or project like?

[peak halo]

have you already gotten a resume review in this channel?
I would expect a callback on 5% of applications you submit, if not less.

[pure raft]

I don't think officially. While I was in school i made it to the third round of goldman's process, this was almost a year ago now

i guess my current gameplan being that we're about to head into the holiday season and hiring is going to die more than it is now, is just grind my skills and hone 1 or 2 really wild projects, and then hit the blast of applications i guess in the new year? i don't know if that's the smartest move to get me into getting experience the fastest. my leetcode isn't strong to where i would think i could ace all the faang rounds, i just graduated with a bscs

[fringe sphinx]

Contributing to an OSS project is another thing to consider: many packages you use could surely use help (even if just reproducing bugs), and if they're industry relevant packages, might be a nice addition to resume.

[wild grail]

In order to contribute genuinely , we should use more what we want to contribute ?

[fringe sphinx]

Reproducing bugs, maybe even isolating them with an MRE and root cause, in software you use is a genuinely useful thing

[wild grail]

Reproducing bugs? Mre?

[fringe sphinx]

Look at the GitHub issues for a package you use. People will report issues there. It helps to see if: you can reproduce it and isolate the bug to a m inimim reproducible example (mre)

Maintainers don't have the time to carefully review every bug reported.

[wild grail]

Ohh okkk

[pure raft]

duely noted-as far as time priority would you recommend this after my leetcode/dsa and personal project is done/at a reasonable level? it doesnt take priority over those others things does it??

[fringe sphinx]

Everything in balance. Don't grind leetcode, it's a marathon.

[pure raft]

fair fair fair, right right right

[fringe sphinx]

Doing a little open source contribution every week is what I mean. Look at some git issues, maybe isolate one

[wild grail]

Of if I find repo that's familiar I mean the language I use . I gi to issues tab . But to take one solve randomly or ? I kinda feel we should need to have the understanding of the code base?

[pure raft]

gotcha okay-yeah ive heard that its pretty valuable but i never knew what skill level it's commonly understood to be working on something like that-my biggest fear is I completely cause more problems than I helped lmao, but I guess now knowing about what they'll look at commit wise its probably not a big deal at all

[smoky quest]

Being able to pick up new code bases is a great skill to master and one that comes with experience

[wild grail]

How do I start

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, that's why issues is a good place to start. Finding the root cause (without opening a PR) is genuinely useful and a real contribution.

[wild grail]

So I can do this , find an issue and read 📚 nothing justcread and try to understand?

[smoky quest]

There is no substitute for practice.
There are typically three threads you can pull from:

• Most apps will follow similar patterns due to their nature or framework. For instance most webapps will have a controller that serves as describing the HTTP interface.
• Pick something small and unroll from there. That might be a keyword or an end (ex: DB query)
• Pick up from an existing (failing) test

Also having a proper IDE helps as it can show you where a specific method is used, etc.

And in terms of contributions, start small! Pick small bugs/issues that do not require a lot of context. You can look at some of the tags (ex: good for first contribution), pick some random tasks that look small, or directly ask the author or community

[zealous trellis]

Hi guys, I need suggestion for the certification of Frontend Architecture , which certification should recommended..?

[wild grail]

Tysm . I'm taking guidance from lot of people here . And i hope I can contribute genuinely one Day

[smoky quest]

no stress and no worries.

Contributions will also come naturally as you write more code and face some issues with your libraries (limits, bugs, missing feature)

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[wild grail]

Yeah should come naturally . Needs practice . I think finding a suitable repo will initiate the spark.

[zealous trellis]

I do have a degree and having 7 years of exp in frontend. Currently working as technical lead. I was asking for career growth. For certification of Architecture

[smoky quest]

ah got it.
I have never seen any cert useful in these situations

[zealous trellis]

Ooo

[lament owl]

The people who work programmer jobs
Mainly the ones who are sitting for hours with few breaks
Lets say you get home at 6 pm
Do you have the energy to do 4 hours of critical thinking in mathematics after your job?

[peak halo]

Are you asking because you want to do grad school or what?

[fringe sphinx]

programming jobs aren't "sitting for hours with few breaks", at least none I've ever seen.

Man, I wish I had no breaks or meetings.

[lament owl]

I'm asking because I want to do a kind of
Its complicated
But is it possible

[pure raft]

without possibly starting a whole war unintentionally, a "proper IDE" would you consider Visual Studio or Visual Studio code? I know jetbrains have a bunch with specifics for each of the languages, but I'm wondering if there is a one-shot IDE for everything that is good and well respected that I can just grind to know completely inside and out if there is one!

[pure raft]

AWESOME

[smoky quest]

jetbrains is a good example.
Basically you want an IDE with a good debugger (conditional breakpoints, inspection, etc.) and code navigation features

[fringe sphinx]

fwiw, I use vscode for everything Python related (and the little C++ I do)

[smoky quest]

I forgot to mention, but this is also something Claude is great at. Though I would recommend to avoid it at all cost until you become a professional and are done learning

[pure raft]

okay good to know! yeah the majority of coding I'm probably going to be doing language wise is 50/50 python c++, i've been using visual studio and vscode for everything so far, had to use intellij thrown in for some during school as well

[fringe sphinx]

Just ask around, everyone uses a different setup.

[pure raft]

gotcha-i'm going to ask around in some of the other coding discords as well then

[solid parcel]

Yes it's possible to handle a part-time degree while you work, that's exactly what I'm doing with my Master's. That said, it certainly isn't easy. As you touch on, the main bottleneck is not time, but mental capacity after a day of work.

[pure raft]

imo the trick is to do the schoolwork before the day job, that was what worked for me, but I also am under-employed so

[solid parcel]

Yeah this is similar to what I end up doing. Taking time in the day to get it done, and then working late. Alongside using holidays strategically to help me get uni assignments over the line if I'm behind with them.

[visual flax]

How are people making over 500k+ from microsoft at 28 years old?

[near ocean]

They are really really really good at the job

[visual flax]

DOes 500k really mean it will be stressful?

[near ocean]

I imagine it probably is pretty stressful

[visual flax]

Do you know where I can get life advice? like in terms of career?

[near ocean]

In the channel titled career-discussion perhaps

[visual flax]

Ok well I'm 25 years old I don't have any debt. I'm doing an internship now which should land me in a pretty nice company. But I'm stress and a bit wary about my long term career since I won't graduate with me ee degree until I'm 27-28

I don't know how people will view me at my age still working on a degree. I know I'm not supposed to compare myself but idk how people will view me if I don't have a sizable net worth at 27/28

[true harness]

believe it or not, i've had people in their 50s in the same cs courses as me (i am not in my 50s). it doesn't really matter that much

[near ocean]

Net worth in your 20s? Lmao

[visual flax]

I mean will it be a big deal in terms of achieving retirement and what not. I saw on a video that some guy put his unity games from a tutorial on his resume which was super encouraging because I spent a lot of time doing terrible coding projects.

[vapid jay]

hi.
I have a little bit of experience with python. built a few very small projects. nothing big. just automating tools for very basic tasks. and now i have gotten into Web development and i have learned django. i would not say i am advanced but i would say that i can build small websites. i have finished django for begginers + django for professionals by william vincent. i know things like git (beyond the things that were covered in both books). i know a little bit of docker. i know a little bit of postgresql. am i good enough to get a job now ? i have been applying but i have gotten nothing so far. i live in an area where tech is not really that relevant tbh so most employers are clueless.

i would appreciate any feedback

[true harness]

technically speaking, you would benefit less from compound interest and such, since you are starting to earn money later in your life. you can check with online calculators, but i don't think it matters that much if you do eventually get a job in swe

[visual flax]

But I don't have a lot of dsa experience so I'm not super confident in my coding skills. Also there are two courses from freecodecamp if you guys could take a quick look at both of them I'm not sure if I should spend time on either of them except maybe the c++

[visual flax]

6 years behind isn't massive right?

[true harness]

well you can just do the math on it

[true harness]

it's difficult to say since all jobs will have different requirements. if you meet (or meet most of) the requirements for a specific job, you should apply. if you aren't getting callbacks, it could be that you don't meet enough requirements, or you were just unlucky. so work on the things you can improve

you can also send your resume as a screenshot here for review

[smoky quest]

no one cares

[visual flax]

How important is it that I grind DSA from freecodecamp in my spare time? there's so many things I need to be learning but its hard for me to figure out exactly which I should be focusing on.

The 50 hour course is in Java I'm not sure how much of a big deal that is really.

[vapid jay]

I see. thank you

[near ocean]

Worry about your degree, not DSA or freecodecamp

[visual flax]

well I'm doing an internship right now and I have freetime

[true harness]

i wouldn't spend any money on courses, but if they're free you could just do them if you want. but probably you would have more fun and gain more from doing your own projects. also, remind us what kind of degree program you're in? CS? what year are you?

[visual flax]

but there's so much to do. From learning ROS, processor systems, signals and systems, ect

[visual flax]

Electrical engineering, idk if its normal to get this stressed out from everything so quickly

[true harness]

it is a stressful process

[visual flax]

Is it common to still be struggling financially at 27-28?

[near ocean]

Yes

[visual flax]

Because my siblings are both reasonably wealthy engineers. at 28/30

[near ocean]

But you're not an engineer yet

[visual flax]

NO I am not ):

[near ocean]

Were they wealthy as students?

[visual flax]

Engineers don't struggle financially at least not employed ones.

Definitely not, my brother graduated 10k in debt. But they both graduated 22-23 I'll be graduating 27-28 SO I'm a bit anxious on how that will set up my life for the future.

[near ocean]

You'll be fine, focus on graduating

[solid parcel]

Entirely no point unless you're specifically planning to target MAANG or adjacent companies. The vast majority of interview processes do not require DSA.

[graceful cosmos]

hey guys i am new to programming and majorly focused in dev of web3,blockchain system
can anyone share his experienceor maybe some guidance on how should i approach it

[visual flax]

FAANG like google or netflix?

[solid parcel]

yup

[visual flax]

Those pay the highest correct?

[solid parcel]

Cautiously, given web3, crypto and blockchain are about the most grift filled areas you could find in tech.

[solid parcel]

Compared to the average tech role, yes. Working for them is far from the only way to make a good living in tech, though.

[visual flax]

My sister got a job at one of those companies.. I'm assuming she's skilled in DSA?

Is a FAANG company really more stressful?

[graceful cosmos]

well its just the thing that the application i would develop in future is going to be really benifiited with blochain system,tracking nd all

[solid parcel]

DSA is important only in two regards:

1. To pass a specific part of the MAANG interview process
2. To develop an understanding of Big O Notation (i.e. time and space complexity). This generally isn't as important as you'd expect for most tech roles, until you're operating at a very large scale.

[solid parcel]

Would it really, or would something like a database achieve much the same thing with less complexity?

[visual flax]

Its one of the hardest parts of software engineering correct? I've heard I need a good understanding of it also for robotics

[solid parcel]

I take it you disagree with what I said about DSA, @true harness? Perhaps I should clarify that I'm talking specifically about learning to solve LeetCode style questions.

[near ocean]

Shouldn't you ask her that? Do it and come back and tell us

[fringe sphinx]

"DSA" is something most software engineers don't actively think about. Sure, we've internalized the lessons and broadly talking about complexity, but it's not related to what most software engineers do

[true harness]

i disagree with

This generally isn't as important as you'd expect for most tech roles, until you're operating at a very large scale.
it's very easy to step into quadratic performance for seemingly simple problems, which will run into problems for very small inputs

[graceful cosmos]

well for transperency ig it should be better?plus if we could have a digital trailthat could be accesed verfied by anyonewont it be better
now i since its just in mind so take this as a question

[fringe sphinx]

(to be clear, I'm not disagreeing with psvm... that's my "we've internalized the lessons" point)

[visual flax]

Yea I probably should, I witnessed her spending hours on dsa so probably. I get so confused when I'm a bit stressed.

I have to go to the gym now but thank you guys for helping me

[fringe sphinx]

There's a nuance to these topics... DSA is certainly worth being one of the foundational topics in computer science. But grinding out leetcode endlessly? That's not real-world realistic, imo.

[visual flax]

I was thinking doing a course then maybe solving a problem a day?

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, that sounds healthy.

[visual flax]

DSA is such a mystery to me, its mine boggling that people can look at these problems and solve them in 10-20 minutes

[fringe sphinx]

Pattern recognition.

(and ofc, good analytical skills, etc)

[visual flax]

Can you recommend any dsa c++ courses? I'd really like to get good at it so I can then solve some like I'm doing it for fun

[fringe sphinx]

mit 06.006 is available free online.

[near ocean]

You'll have to do it too eventually, everyone is asking dsa questions in interviews

[visual flax]

Is that in C++?

idk looks too advanced for me. I'm going to do the c++ dsa course I found and then try m.i.t's course

[weak bramble]

hello im new to python who can help me

[visual flax]

#1035199133436354600

[weak bramble]

ok thanks

[visual flax]

M.i.t's Open courseware always seems beyond me honestly. When I first saw it I really questioned if I was even smart enough for engineering.

[solid parcel]

Valid! I was actually cautioning my team about exactly this kind of issue yesterday, in the context of Grafana queries. I still hold that performance is usually a lesser priority than a lot of juniors would expect. It does matter, but generally only to the point of avoiding the extremely inefficient solutions. Point taken that such solutions can cause issues at a much smaller scale than I'd been saying, it was a somewhat lazy simplification on my part.

[solid parcel]

This isn't really true. Tons of tech roles (including for developers) sit outside the bubbles where DSA is massively prevalent.

[near ocean]

idk about tons

[solid parcel]

It's worth remembering that a huge number of dev roles are not even at tech companies

[near ocean]

my first role was at a tiny finance adjacent startup and they still asked me DSA stuff

[graceful cosmos]

what if i focus 60-40 projects-dsa?
is it good to join startups or companies or does it varies?

[solid parcel]

This would be a very questionable balance given DSA is a small part of the interview process and an even smaller part of most dev jobs. It's not like you're going to need to implement BFS from memory on the job.

Do you even know if you're wanting to target the kinds of roles you'd need to grind LeetCode for? I'd start by working that out

[graceful cosmos]

well thanks a lot,i will surely look into it

[solid parcel]

Startups have a strange habit of trying to ape big tech, I've heard similar stories a few times 😁 Finance is also one of the other industries that does quite like DSA, so I'm not very surprised.

[lilac yoke]

I don't think thats great advice to be giving

Every single company I've interviewed for, FAANG or small business has given numerous DSA questions

I haven't heard of someone interviewing anywhere without getting a DSA question in some form for entry level

[lilac yoke]

From someone who is graduating as a senior in CS soon, and has been surrounded by people going through interview hell for the past two years, if you know you are going to be getting interviews you should be spending at least 2 hours a day working on leetcode. When you've got interviews scheduled, ramp up to 3-4 hours a day. Projects get you in the door, so if you have nothing truly impressive you need to focus 100% of your energy on that.

[crude loom]

I'm working on a school assignment, would anyone be welcome to tell me their opinion on AI and its affects in the computer science field.

[half geyser]

.

[crude loom]

If your open to this, can you reach out and we can set up a voicecall on discord or another platform of your choice. Your response will be used in a podcast that I am working on that is about AI

This wont be public and is only private and will only be shown to teacher

[proud glacier]

The new one is in Python

[solid parcel]

Interesting, could be that hiring processes have shifted, that wasn't what I was seeing if you rewind even a couple of years. Out of interest, what areas were the small businesses you were applying for in? Were these startups?

[solid parcel]

Agreed a couple of hours a day leading up to interviews (if you've got at least a reasonable inkling that they'll be asking some LeetCode questions) makes sense, but imo ramping that up to 3-4 hours risks under prepping for other components of the interview process. I.e behavioural questions are pretty universal and often overlooked.

[mighty gorge]

Hi, Do you guys participate in coding competitions? If yes, please DM. I am forming a team, upto 3 members.

[runic remnant]

Hi, would it be possible to get a resume review (currently in final year, 7th sem I am looking to apply off campus for swe roles at faang 2026 grad india)

[fringe sphinx]

On first read, it's solid. I don't love the bolding of random phrases.

[runic remnant]

also would putting a research publication (t1 journal) in my resume help with swe based roles, i am not too inclined into research based roles tbh

[runic remnant]

i see, should I remove all of the bolding?

[fringe sphinx]

I'd remove the bolding within bullets.

[runic remnant]

aight

[fringe sphinx]

I personally don't care about the "impact" stuff. It's fine, I just find it fluff.

For the typescript gemini cookbook, that might be a place where a link to the github would be nice.

[runic remnant]

its linked yeah, it shows a blue highlight

[fringe sphinx]

I'd rather see something more about why that's interesting... rather than "growth in users".

[runic remnant]

makes sense ill include that detail

[fringe sphinx]

I'd love to see the ci and cloud skills you mention in the skills at the bottom within the jobs.

like, if you used GCP, then say so in the top job.

[runic remnant]

i see that was in the startup i worked in i mentioned google cloud storage but we were also using functions and task queues and other provisions

[karmic temple]

hello guys, I just my python journey, and i need help: how to study python?

[fringe sphinx]

Read this pinned post: #python-discussion message

[solid parcel]

I don't mind bolding metrics, though agree the bolding feels a touch overdone and arbitrary in this case. I think when it's done judiciously, it can be an effective way to draw the eye and make the most of the very short time you get to make an initial impression with a CV.

[fringe sphinx]

totally fair, and to emphasize this point: I tried to phrase things to be clear that these are my opinions and that other people will feel differently.

[solid parcel]

I think ultimately it comes down to finding a balance between demonstrating technical competence, and an ability to frame and leverage that competence to achieve meaningful business outcomes, which is where metrics shine 🙂 If a CV leans too heavily toward either one, it can end up feeling unsubstantiated or unremarkable.

[fringe sphinx]

"Implemented new time tracking tool that improved life expectancy by 90 years and solved world hunger."

[solid parcel]

Hired! 😁

[river shuttle]

Hi

[smoky quest]

Are the bullets chatgpt generated?
The main issue is they are so generic that they are meaningless

[runic remnant]

not chatgpt generated but i put my resume through a few online ats scorers and went through like some guidelines so most of them just mention to quantify impact hence the numbers in most places so I ended up with that after a few refinements

do you have an example of what a good bullet point might look like or just how you might frame one of the sentences in my resume I think that might help me with a better point structure

[smoky quest]

It's conflating the metric for the goal.
The points of a metric is to help demonstrate the impact of your change. But it's completely meaningless without talking about the change itself.

Taking your first bullet as an example, you state that writing some notebooks have increased growth in new and existing users by 92%.
As a reader, here is how I read it. It's unfiltered and the point is to show how it will be interpreted:

• You are telling me the most challenging and difficult part for you was writing a notebook, not its content. So there was nothing challenging or interesting here
• Your notebook has by itself increased the new registrations by 92%. So either you had 1 new registration per unit or it's complete BS
• Your notebook has by itself increase the growth of existing users by 92%. That doesn't make sense, thus your metric is BS

At no point your bullet signaled that was you did put you above the thousands of other candidates as it doesn't demonstrate either depth of breadth of your skills.

I would suggest to look into the STAR method to help you frame your points better

[runic remnant]

hmm that makes sense, 92% in my case was from the initial month of the project to the next final evaluation so maybe a total metric of number of users in last 30 days or so might make more sense but yeah ur right in context of this point it doesn't make much sense

[smoky quest]

As an interviewer, I would have pushed you hard on establishing causality between your change and the 92%. Was it really your change or the project itself? Or some other things that might have happened?

[runic remnant]

could you pick apart a point from the 2nd or 3rd internship/experience parts

[smoky quest]

It's exactly the same feedback on all your bullets.

[runic remnant]

well it was the new content added into the cookbook, along with direct and organic search growth (source was from integrated google analytics)

[runic remnant]

i see I'll look into STAR thank you

[solid parcel]

It's a great approach for behavioural interview questions, too.

[true harness]

reading the second entry, you highlight how many data points you analyzed, but don't talk about any of the results of that analysis

[smoky quest]

Paraphrasing because I am too lazy to fully copy/paste it:

• Wrote some API in vert.x to improve observability. Every other applicant will have claimed to have written some API. It doesn't show me what was difficult, interesting or in what ways you made it better
• Analyzed 30 millions transactions. That doesn't tell me if you had to do any feature engineering, if you did something super complex or just plot it or whatever. You are literally wasting an entire bullet on the fact you looked at a 30 millions lines CSV file

[smoky quest]

^

[runic remnant]

fair enough the current points seem to be vague or broad statements without much insight into my actions

[visual flax]

Hey as a person with a attention deficient how do I keep confidence when I can't study for as long as others can

Should I try to go on adderrall again?

[smoky quest]

Remember that I can receive thousands of applications in less than 24h.
So why would I call you back specifically? What makes you stand out and better?

A more concrete way to look at it is if all your school apply to the same jobs than you. You know their projects and education and internships. So what have you done that would make someone want to call YOU back over anyone else?

[smoky quest]

That's a question for your health provider, not #career-advice

[visual flax]

Ok!

[true harness]

you can try different strategies for planning study time, like pomodoro. the length of time spent studying doesn't matter as much as the effectiveness

[visual flax]

I read that the best engineers are studying 8AM to 8PM, its immensely hard for me to focus for more than two hours especially after a day of meetings

Are difficult topics harder to stay focused on?

[solid parcel]

Not necessarily true, working or even studying productively for 12 hours a day is bloody hard, albeit not impossible. The depth of the work you're doing matters more than the time spent on it.

[visual flax]

Do you guys have an opinion on opencourse software, its nothing like any of the college courses I've ever taken

[true harness]

mit ocw? it tends to be quite good, especially if you can get the psets as well

[smoky quest]

work smart, not hard

[visual flax]

they all feel too advanced for me, like there's a hundred of things I have to review just to do the homework.

[solid parcel]

I find there's a sweet spot where I have enough of a familiarity with the topic to engage productively with it, while it's still challenging enough to keep me engaged. It's tricky if the topic is trivial, or entirely beyond my field of reference.

[solid parcel]

wow, first time I'm coming across this. Pretty incredible initiative, props to MIT

[true harness]

the prerequisite courses are also listed

[visual flax]

I guess I gotta regrind all the pre-reqs too.. I'm a junior in college but I guess I'm still too inexperienced.

[solid parcel]

It's a very common experience as an engineer to find you have to go back to basics, don't sweat it 😁

[visual flax]

I won't, thank you for the encouragement. I've learned a lot of programming languages, I always find myself review material to make sure I'm up to date. It is what it is

You guys are really amazing when I'm being unsufferable

[solid parcel]

Far from insufferable, though a little self belief may do you good! 😁

[runic remnant]

- Developed the Gemini JS/TS Cookbook by creating and testing 90+ interactive notebooks with a full Quarto CI/CD pipeline, resulting in 1358% user growth in 90 days, ~200 monthly users, and the identification of critical bugs/missing features (e.g., auto function calls) in new Gemini versions, which were reported to the internal team.

- Drove adoption of the new unified Gemini SDKs across the open-source community by identifying and raising upstream issues in major projects like mem0, devin cursor rules, and meta gpt, successfully migrating them from deprecated SDKs.

- Built and launched multiple interactive Google AI Studio applets, including a live notebook playground, to demonstrate advanced SDK capabilities, enabling users to interact with the API and experiment with gemini directly in the browser in a Google Colab like environment.

- Architected a modular plugin system for the Anthropic MCP SDK to address missing features, implementing a FastAPI-like plugin system for MCP primitives, middleware, and checks, resulting in my proposal being adopted as the consolidated tracking issue for future SDK modularity and the resolution of a critical bug in the MCP Inspector.

@smoky quest @true harness sorry for the ping but does this make more sense or look more acceptable, I used this as a guide https://resumegenius.com/blog/resume-help/star-method-resume to rewrite my points and work

[dawn lagoon]

Hey anyone there

mind helping be out please

[fringe sphinx]

With what?

[smoky quest]

• Developed the Gemini JS/TS Cookbook by creating and testing 90+ interactive notebooks with a full Quarto CI/CD pipeline, resulting in 1358% user growth in 90 days, ~200 monthly users, and the identification of critical bugs/missing features (e.g., auto function calls) in new Gemini versions, which were reported to the internal team.

What expertise or skills does it demonstrate?

• Drove adoption of the new unified Gemini SDKs across the open-source community by identifying and raising upstream issues in major projects like mem0, devin cursor rules, and meta gpt, successfully migrating them from deprecated SDKs.

So you are saying that you found some bugs. Why would a recruiter care?

[chilly furnace]

Just discovered that if you type "site:sjobs.brassring.com" into google, you get a ton of stuff. Jobs everywhere

[smoky quest]

to be clear, that article has the right definition but the rest is completely wrong.

[dawn lagoon]

Bassically I am planning on switching my major from CS to CE but also minor in CS

I was wondering if that was a good idea and what oppurtunity would I have as a CE

[sand patio]

is there any reason why you want to do that?

are you more interested in CE?

[runic remnant]

rip this stuff hard 😭

[smoky quest]

you need to be specific in your bullets

[runic remnant]

hmm I see I'll rework them today morning and hopefully come back for a review tonight ty for your feedback its been helpful to see it from a recruiter specific view

[smoky quest]

Communication is hard and it is difficult to sum up a human being to a single page

[thin hedge]

Hello. I was wondering if anyone here could guide me in the right direction. I have an ambitious project and fear I will start it incorrectly. I will learn skills as I go.

The idea is a website and phone app that can help record cleaning garbage outside with user photo submission and community verification, I'd like it to be peer to peer for longevity. Not to have any power to remove it to sell game 2 to them. Another consideration is google maps access with an overlay for pollution levels for users to view, and allow them a point bonus for cleaning up priority areas. Leaderboards, etc.

I feel I should not use python for it perhaps and learn a more appropriate language to start. Do you see any mistakes I should avoid? So far I made a small app that runs on idle, that collects info and saves data, I think if I am putting it on a website, some tool requires the code to be changes. I can imagine many mistakes costing me time needlessly

[lilac yoke]

so, you want an app to verify someone cleaned up garbage in some area via a user submitted photo?

and then use the location data and frequency data associated with users to make hot maps and leaderboards?

[thin hedge]

Yeah. I also want it to work on browser on pc. You are spot on. Gamify cleaning pollution.

[lilac yoke]

certainly a fun idea, is this something you want to use to teach yourself programming our something you are expecting to ship and get out there in some timeline

[thin hedge]

I never do anything but game. I expect nothing to come of it. Though, this is highly agreeable considering my screen addiction. I lack funds for any fees or costs, Canada has great welfare and my doctor says I am disabled, money matters not to me. I would like to learn for fun if I could, meditate, help people. I'm fond of poverty.

I will see over the next fortnight if I maintain interest, I recently quit weed again and have significantly improved. I decided tonight I would like to, if I can keep my promise to myself, to practice it a bit everyday, in my efforts to train myself to do the things I always wanted to do. This is a possible turning point. I suppose if I get something functional out at that point I can sell it to a friend who will have my interests. I know a Californian who is my diary, he will let me invest his money when he gets a job and saves some. I simply trust him, he knows much about me and I wouldnt want a penny more than a million despite, I make no lies, wild investing return rate, though it's with fake money. Though, if anyone here is rich and wants to earn like 100% a year returns hit me up. I have some trading history now on a site thats with fake money. I liked investing as a kid, Mustnt have been any later than 2013 I insisted father buy bitcoin, and of course told him of google. Uncle said apple is too expensive, and these are the people I compete with investing, no wonder. I sound like such a scammer, I got distracted ADHD, autism.

AI said I should learn like, react.js and stuff, Ima just take it day by day. I got overwhelmed quick, now Im just learning how to read and write txt files in python.

[twilit crest]

From where I learn c++

[lilac yoke]

sounds like you just need to think of the system design. In total, you'll have: a database, a backend REST API, BLOB storage and a full frontend (be it React, or even React Native / Flutter if you want to knock out an app and a website at the same time). Since you want to demo this, I'd look into cloud hosting from the beginning. I'm biased, but I think Cloudflare's developer platform can handle this project very eloquently (Workers + D1 + R2 + Pages)

You can use Python for your Workers backend

[thin hedge]

Thank you very much, this is exactly what I need. Bless. I will play an online game now, be back in an hour. ❤️ I intend to include you as my assistance, recorded somewhere.

[charred musk]

hey is there any python developer with knowledge of fastapi + railway hosting platform i need some help

[vast shoal]

If you need Python help, then #python-discussion is the right channel to ask in. This channel is for career advice.

[trim crypt]

@potent breach tell us more about those offers

[potent breach]

labmentix and spectov offer I have previous week

[trim crypt]

why have you not accepted any of those offers?

[potent breach]

Because they charge money before Stipend pay for they actually offer experince and say that is course like

[placid hill]

That's a scam

[trim crypt]

What country are these companies from? I find it weird that you have to pay before you can get a job.

Its so much a sus, that its 💯 a scam

[placid hill]

They extract work from you and take money from you? Sheesh. There must be a limit to how scummy people can be.

[trim crypt]

Can you report these companies to the police?

[placid hill]

Assuming it's India, that will do nothing

[potent breach]

yes why I dont have these offers.

[vast shoal]

No serious internship position will require you to pay them money.

[placid hill]

what's your background?

[potent breach]

I have 2 intership already done by deloitte and citi bank

also have certification by them.

[placid hill]

You should look for positions at local companies then

[potent breach]

actually Im from village and not any company here

[vast shoal]

What did you do at these internships?

[potent breach]

I developed for citi bank for management system module syetsm for security and payements also have about the their assiament also submit.

deloitte intership I do a web application to do develope any kind of work which they basically for startup.

[vast shoal]

How long was each one?

[potent breach]

deloitte 2 months and citi bank 2 months

[vast shoal]

What's your educational background other than the internships?

[trim crypt]

if you've done internships, why do you keep looking for more internships?

[potent breach]

I want a intership which can have me for job

Its all international intership and dont have any help about realtion building in the jobs areas.

[trim crypt]

well dont limit yourself to just internships, try to also apply for entry level position jobs

[potent breach]

Everyone demand for cs degree

what can I do for it.

[crystal cairn]

Hey everyone, just caught up on the convo. That system design breakdown from bschr was super clear
I really like the Cloudflare + Python stack idea.
And yeah, totally agree about those “internships.”
Asking for money upfront is always a red flag.
Nice to see a mix of solid tech talk and real-world advice here.

[balmy mural]

Path of least resistance would be to get a CS degree then

[quaint otter]

which Data engineer ned an apprentice

i am looking to be an intern and willing to upscale

[near ocean]

Thats not how that works
Apply to internships on a job board

[visual flax]

can you recieve a high paying job in project management with only an associates

[near ocean]

Probably not

[visual flax]

yea thats why I'm going to refuse the job offer if they give me one

[near ocean]

Is the job offer that you cut your bachelors short to an associates for the job?

[solid parcel]

Once you're building professional experience, having a degree starts to mean less and less. If it's something you're interested in doing and you have a good offer extended to you, I'd seriously consider it

[visual flax]

Realyl depends how much I like the job and how easy it is. I'm getting up there in years and I don't want graduate later than 30. Obviously I'll reach thirty eventually but getting my degree in my twenties is a dream of mine

[solid parcel]

It wouldn't make you any less capable if you choose to take the role and take your time getting your degree. It's all just a matter of choices. I'm sure you could get it in your twenties, but it's okay to let that goal go if it isn't serving you particularly well.

[open ivy]

Also, you are getting to the point where the stuff copilot and other coding AI does is more and more boring.

It was fun learning how to get a library to do something when I was young. Now it is just a distraction from my larger goals in programming. AI is good and useful at the nuts and bolts but not so much longer-term planning and organization. Get good at these to minimize the chance of it replacing your job.

Given how AI is good at the more mechanical tasks of communication and other skills, there is a boon in AI job application helping tools to ease the tedium. These come in two varieties: One just helps find jobs that are a good niche match. The other actually applies for you. I don't know the market very well, but it definitely seems like a potentially good use-case for AI as in automating tedious tasks. I am personally only going to apply here and there my main strat is networking + portfoleo.

AI art is creative, but it is human creativity you are looking at given the huge training data. Coding is similar, creativity is in inventing new code and doing so has to go beyond what copilot could do alone.

[echo gull]

can anyone tell me about how to start my carear as a python developer i am little late here someone help me

[visual flax]

Depends what type of python developer do you want to be. you'd of course start by learning the basics

[wild grail]

What are the typea

Types*

[visual flax]

Infinite, robotics, game development, web developer, lots of career pathways

[wild grail]

Agh alrght

[solid parcel]

Are you employed at the moment? It's easier to give guidance if you give some context on your background.

[inner fox]

I think I need to bounce thoughts off someone
I am unemployed. I quit my job to learn CS and started with Python, I took the CS50 python course and am at the final project, I'm at a point where I need to choose whether I should continue learning towards a ML/AI job path or a Game Dev path.
I don't know which I should go for, the ML/AI path seems safer, the main hurdle I see people talk about is learning math, I have the mind for that, even if I need to relearn and learn new things.
the Game Dev path is the one im more interested in, however, it's also the one I'm the least confident in. I feel the salary for that would be less than ideal, especially at the moment not having another job. not to mention I'd be more interested in going indie or at least being part of a small team, more than joining a larger team or company, and i don't have the time or luxury to make a game by myself, at least not one that I would be happy with selling.

[flat wasp]

Hello,
I want to restart my career but I’m not getting proper guidance and discipline to learn. I want to build my career in Python + AWS = DevOps.
I have some experience, but not much practical exposure. Whenever I attend interviews, I often get rejected due to lack of hands-on experience and confidence.
I’m also interested in the database side.
I’m looking for affordable coaching or mentorship where I can brush up my skills, get daily practice or mock interviews in English, and improve technically as well as in communication.

Please guide me or suggest any good learning path or mentor who can help me restart my career confidently.

[smoky quest]

Random points:

• I think quitting your job was a mistake. Not having a source of income is super risky and puts a clock on your project
• I don't think either ML/AI or gamedev are possible paths for you. See points below
• The typical ML/AI will have a masters or phd degree, while you have no relevant degree, no experience and no project. The time and effort to get projects to make you competitive with the thousands of other candidates with proper degree/experience/projects will probably be more expensive than your savings can allow
• Gamedev has a lot of competition. Everyone and their mom want to be gamedev. So again, the bar to be competitive will be quite high, unless you have already a few impressive games under your portfolio
• Alternatively, webdev is the most friendly to self taught people. But also given the bar is lower, it means there is far more competition and effort required to get in (and luck)

So in short, I would suggest a combination or selection of:

• Work on a degree
• Get any job to get a stream of income so you can study with less stress and more time
• Switch aim for a role that is easier to get in with your profile

[smoky quest]

What experience do you have with devops?

[lapis turret]

hi

[rugged apex]

im a devop

we use zabbix stack elk and gitlab

[inner fox]

I originally went into this with the intent to do web development, but I have no interest in it. my old job was eating all my time and energy, and I don't regret quitting at all (yet). Studying full-time has been fun if a little stressful in other ways. I don't plan on working towards a degree at all. I think my time and money is going to be better spent teaching myself and creating projects. As far as a job, I plan to put that off if I can, I'd rather spend my time as previously stated. obviously, if it becomes unsustainable, I have an old job I could go back to, but I'd rather get the experience to work in the CS field.

[lapis turret]

who can help since i'm disconnected from the community and building systems because i really enjoy it could someone review my concepts and developments so i can understand if there's any perspective in what i'm creating i'd be incredibly grateful

[smoky quest]

Sure, that's entirely up to you.
Just remember that:

• Your competition will have spent 5-6 years studying and preparing for it full time with relevant degrees, awesome projects and great internships
• Each job ad receives thousands of people like ^. And employers don't have time to talk to everyone, so they will start with the top 20 among thousands of people

And so your goal is to become competitive in that world described above

[visual flax]

Thos who have been working the 9 to 5 with a high paying job. Is there really a feeling of wealth and power from having a reasonable amount of money in your twenties. Or is that in my imagination? simply envying the greener side.

[balmy spade]

I lived paycheck to paycheck more than two decades. I still don't know what a "high paying job" is. I went from making 10.25 USD an hour to making 25.00 USD an hour and the sheer amount of stress that dropped from my life was wild. Wealth? Power? I was, and am, happy to just pay my bills without having to decide if this week we'll get food or cleaning supplies because we can't afford both.

[visual flax]

This may be personal but do you feel like that struggle grew you as a person? Because I struggle to find meanning in my struggles but I always find encouragement from you guys

[balmy spade]

I feel like every moment of my life to this point has given me the chance to grow as a person. Living in poverty is just one of those moments. I cherish what I have today and try to never take it for granted.

[visual flax]

Thats awesome man, scars are ugly but they make up who we are!

[smoky quest]

it has more to do with your values than the job

[sick harness]

Guys, I want to get an entry-level job in IT.

I'm thinking of taking the Linux Essentials certification and also learning Python. Does that sound like a good idea?

[smoky quest]

It's all relative and depends on your background.

In terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[peak halo]

I don't know how valuable certifications are for IT
python is very useful as "bash on steroids"

[sick harness]

Okay. Thank you. 🙂

[solid parcel]

'High paying' is relative as I'm in the UK and salaries are much lower across the board. That said, my comp exceeds £100,000 (c. $130,000) and I'm mid 20s. I wouldn't say I feel a sense of power, nor would I describe myself as wealthy yet, but there's certainly a level of security and calm that comes from already having a secure role, a good income and a significant safety net tucked away.

[solid parcel]

It depends on what you're optimising for. In terms of pure learning, I think they're almost always an inferior option to actually building things.

If the goal is to improve odds of landing a role, they can be beneficial to increase visibility on platforms like Linkedin and help get through an initial sift by recruiters. Even then, that only really goes for the small subset of certs that actually get mentioned with any regularity on job specs.

[solid parcel]

Networking, Linux and an ability to automate are at the core of almost everything in tech once you go past a few layers of abstraction. Getting to grips with the fundamentals of Linux and Python is 100% beneficial. As for if doing the essentials cert will help you, I'd recommend working backwards from job postings for the kinds of role you're planning to target. Is it mentioned? If not, I wouldn't bother.

[arctic oak]

helloworld

[wild grail]

Can you advice on how to skill up in Linux

[solid parcel]

https://training.linuxfoundation.org/training/introduction-to-linux/ Get familiar with the terminal, take the time to understand a bit of what's going on under the hood. Linux makes a lot more sense once you understand a little about what the kernel and user space are as well as how they interact, the Linux philosophy, and a few core commands (e.g. ls, pwd, cd, mkdir, grep, ps and so on).

[wild grail]

Thank you ✌️

[tribal falcon]

im failing my college classes i failed every exam i took can anyone give me advice its my first year

[solid parcel]

Not without more context; what's the issue you're running into? What about the exams are you struggling with? What's your typical preparation approach, and what adaptations have you tried so far?

[tribal falcon]

man

i just dont understand i got a 30% a 45% and a 53% im failing literally every exam i take and i do study before the exam

[smoky quest]

To what do you attribute the failures?

[tribal falcon]

im not using my resources and studying only by myself and using AI

i think if i got a seriously smart tutor who has been studying these subjects for years surely i cant fail

[smoky quest]

That doesn't answer the question though

You can't fix what a problem you have not identified

[tribal falcon]

it does you asked me why do you think you failed these exams and my response was i failed because i didnt use my resources

[smoky quest]

okay but that's a strange answer.
So you are saying that your resources are more complete than what you used for studying for the exams

[tribal falcon]

why is it a strange answer? do you think a student who uses all their resources TA office hours, tutoring have a higher risk of failing an exam compared to a student that just studys by themselves who do you think would get the better marks?

[smoky quest]

that would be a non sequitur

[tribal falcon]

and what does non sequitur mean

[smoky quest]

it's something google is better equipped to answer than I am

[tribal falcon]

im confused why you think my argument is flawed

[smoky quest]

it's missing a lot of steps in between and if it was that simple, you would not have asked here.
Especially that you mentioned failing every exam, which implies there is something deeper here.

So I am trying to help you here by digging deeper into it

[tribal falcon]

well i failed because i obviously dont understand the material and the way im studying is clearly ineffective

[smoky quest]

Indeed. Then you should just answer correctly at the exams

Obviously, it's a technically correct answer, but not that helpful to your problem. The same way stating you should study more effectively is correct but not helpful

[tribal falcon]

is it not helpful because thats the obvious and youre not actually saying the how to study more effectively?

[solid parcel]

hence me wanting to understand what the material you're struggling with is, and what your approach to tackling it has been so far

[tribal falcon]

im failing biology and chemistry

[smoky quest]

no one can help you in studying more effectively until you have identified the problem or helped us help you identifying it.

[solid parcel]

I'm going to get some sleep.... if you want productive guidance, you're going to need to put a bit more effort into this conversation.

[smoky quest]

However you being an ass with your answers have made me lose interest. I have better things to do

[candid dust]

hi guys, im planning to take "BACHELOR OF COMPUTER SCIENCE IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WITH HONOURS", is this too spesific since im not studying something broader like software engineering or smth like that

[smoky quest]

This is super dependent on the college, country and specific curriculum.

[candid dust]

wdym?

[smoky quest]

which part is confusing?

[candid dust]

what i meant is like is it normal to be taking such a specific subject in college

[smoky quest]

well, this is super dependent on the college, country and specific curriculum.

believe it or not, but different countries and colleges have different ways to go about education

[candid dust]

ah i see, what would you have taken?

[smoky quest]

in my country, it would be a CS degree with specializations in AI, so different from yours

[candid dust]

if you wanted to learn something do you want to study that specific thing or study something broader then learn it urself

[candid dust]

they both focuses more on ai yeah?

[smoky quest]

it's different from a CS degree in AI

[candid dust]

how? like what degree do you get after completing it? a degree in ai or in cs

[smoky quest]

exactly, that's the main question if you get a degree in AI or in CS

And whether or not it's a BS/MS/phd or something non-standard

[candid dust]

what did you get?

[smoky quest]

I am a 21 years old recruiter in a tech company

[candid dust]

what did you study in college?

[smoky quest]

CS

[candid dust]

i see

[tardy helm]

hi I was thinking that if I started learning in it And then, having gained experience in it, can I then move on to cybersecurity?

[smoky quest]

what is it?

[tardy helm]

information technology

[smoky quest]

oh. Then these can be fairly independently learned

[hard lark]

Yes, IT can be such a broad subject, you can find yourself specialising in many ways.

One of the biggest challenges I found was product change and keeping relevant.

Companies whilst they invest in software and equipment, they tend to do so in cycles....maintaining software or hardware for a number of years - to get the most out of it...as a result unless you're constantly looking outside it's hard to keep track of what's gathering pace in industry.

The pace of change can be v fast

[tardy helm]

ok ty

[balmy mural]

Software engineering is extremely high paying in my country. Entry level salaries put you in the top 5% of earners in the country, few years and you're in the top 1%. I do not have any feeling of "wealth" or "power". I'm happy that I'm in a financial situation where all my needs are covered and I have enough leftover for some wants. I don't even understand what feeling of "power" I can get. Power over my fellow citizens? Self impowerment? Not sure. I don't feel any more "powerful" than when I was a broke kid in university.

[hard lark]

It's not power...that tends to be a personality trait, usually some form of sociopathy.

Money...and more explicitly sufficient* money allows you to be concerned less with providing those fundamentals for you (and your family)

*sufficient is I appreciate subjective. Sufficient I deem as enough to sustain a life you are used to - owing that most of us do not have fiscally rich parents who have supported us all through life.

Money doesn't solve all issues it just provides a level of "these things are of no concern" allowing you to spend your time enjoying other things.

It depends on the person but some high paying roles come with substantial asks - be it your mental wellbeing or your availability etc etc..and you have to consider..is the £$ really worth it?

[torn yarrow]

I’m in my final year of Engineering (Electronics and Telecommunication). I’ve realized that core electronics isn’t something I’m very interested in — I’m more drawn toward programming and networking. Unfortunately, I feel like I’ve wasted a lot of time in the past few years without building any real skills or experience.
Recently, I started learning Python and also completed a SQL course on Udemy and gained some git/GitHub knowledge, mainly because most of our college placements are for software developer roles. However, I still don’t have a clear direction — I’m currently confused between becoming a Python Developer, Data Analyst, or pursuing a Networking(somewhat part of my branch) career.
I haven’t done any personal projects or internships yet, so I’m not sure what would be the best decision to make at this point. Could you guys please guide me on how to choose the right path now?

[hard lark]

I have found you have to gravitate towards what you enjoy or what you feel good about doing -, otherwise you'll get despondant and disappointed.

What that is may not remain the same over your lifetime, I know mine hasn't

Your education in one field, wont be wasted...its knowledge you have gained and experienced and you will find it may help you in your future

I think with development, unless you are prepared to go full in - there are always going to be better and more effective developers than you - whereas having experience in development as a second skill will definitely be a boon for you

That sometimes is the difficulty in tech work...there are so many things to go at..its hard to choose "what is right". What is right has to start with what excites you, what makes you enjoy doing - knowing full well that everything can have negatives attached

[fathom hazel]

Hey!

[solid parcel]

100% this. Doubly so with tech as if you stay technical rather than moving into management the pace of change can be absolutely gruelling, particularly if you're not diving into things you enjoy.

[hard lark]

You touch on a great point.

Some Skilled workers...can be managers

Not all skilled workers should be managers

Sometimes thats an issue in a corp - to earn more, the obvious link is to take a role with significant different responsibility. Some good technical people just aren't suited.

Being technically excellent should have rewards based on the yrs experience (think like lawyers) and not punished for not stepping into mgmt role

[solid parcel]

Yeah it's typically a matter of staff engineer Vs engineering management. At my current org, there isn't really a concept of staff engineers outside of architecture, you pretty much have to become a lead and to take on some people management to keep progressing past senior.

I'm undecided on if I want to step up into a lead role, or look to stay as an IC and jump somewhere like Google for my next move

[flat wasp]

≈≈≈I am a beginner in DevOps, but I have worked with tools like Terraform, Kubernetes, AWS, and Docker. I have basic hands-on experience setting up simple infrastructure using Terraform, deploying containers with Docker, and managing small applications on AWS and Kubernetes

[smoky quest]

The issue with years of experience is there is no reward for stepping up.
Rather than punishing people for stepping up and taking on more responsibility and having more impact, it would be more efficient to prevent people who should not be promoted from being promoted, along with other paths for ICs to have bigger impact

[smoky quest]

And in what ways were you lacking experience then for entry level roles?

[hard lark]

Well, staying as a duly efficient and effective technical lead should carry with it a similar compensation to someone who moved into a more mgmt position. Along with the technical expertise, all the localised business knowledge amassed is such a valuable attribute

[smoky quest]

It depends on the responsibilities of the lead

all the localised business knowledge amassed is such a valuable attribute

Note if that was to happen to have such bus factor, that would be a failure on the manager 😉

[hard lark]

I'd agree - but otherwise all you do is present the only progression as moving 'up'....which a) has the risk of putting unsuitable people into mgmt positions.

[hard lark]

And yes...also true

[smoky quest]

Any position above senior will require some leadership, be it people or technical.
Some people will not be fit for either and that means that either they should upskill themselves or not move up

In general, senior level is considered as terminal, meaning that it's okay to end your career as senior.

[twilit crest]

Best c++ roadmap or playlist please guide me

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> scam/ad?

[jaunty steppe]

!compban 825461141131100170

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @onyx jolt until <t:1762375786:f> (4 days).

[near ocean]

Sir this is a python server

[lunar shell]

mostly a weird question, but: i have an idea of remaking microgames from spongebob squigglepants (a warioware-type game) into warioware diy and put them as a project for my resume. should i go thru with it or is it a waste of time?

[visual flax]

thats awesome

Most of my friends would love to make that kind of money

[fringe sphinx]

I genuinely mean this: any project that's difficult for you and is somethign you are enthusiastic about is a good project. You'll learn a lot. You'll have stories to tell. You'll become a better programmer.

[lunar shell]

is it worth showing off in a resume or is it too childish?

like most of the stuff i come up with to practice programming rn

[viscid tree]

hello guys

is anyone active now?

?

[fringe sphinx]

I've seen lots of games as projects in a resume. The thing I look for is a good conversation about; what made it challenging? What you learned? How you built it? What you'd do differently ?

[lunar shell]

not even weird mods like changing graphics in a game or smth like that?

[fringe sphinx]

It's fine, I wouldn't overthink it. Do something that's challenging today, then do something very different next!

[viscid tree]

hi

i am new here
so could you tell me more about this server

[unique oriole]

Hat about something like game of life, a ray tracer etc?
For a dev with 2yoe?

Like should I remove personal projects section completely?

[lunar shell]

and then should i put them all in the same github portfolio to show off

[wild grail]

Hi, what skills should a web dev in python resume have for an intermediate level . What would make you look into the resume ?

[jade pelican]

cool sever

[fringe sphinx]

Those are all good, if you can have a conversation about them

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, because knowing GitHub is an important skill

[fringe sphinx]

There's no specific answer to 'how much', and depends on what educational background. A Uni degree? I don't worry so much about specifc skills

[wild grail]

🙂

So there are seniors who were ex amazon , google ...they post on linkedin saying work form home feels better than big package . Then they have connect with them link

When u get inside they kinda charge a lot like a too much for one meet with them , not a 1:1 . A meet they schedule so everyone who wants to talk to them will pay and join .

[vapid violet]

Paying someone on linkedin to talk to them sounds like a scam.

[smoky quest]

you can talk to people for free here

[wild grail]

Nah , I checked they legit a ex amazon employee, there are many of ex employees , or even current employees charging for consulting, resume review , 1:1.

[wild grail]

✌️✨️

[torn yarrow]

Pls reply guys I would really appreciate it.

[smoky quest]

ngl, you don't need to pay for these.
Only reason for paying would be for 1:1 mentorship with someone you can build trust

[smoky quest]

the main advice here would be to figure out first what you want. No point in jumping into a specific path if you won't like it either.
So try things with personal projects and see how you vibe.

Note also there are other jobs that are adjacent that might be interesting, especially related to embedded or industrial automation

[ripe frigate]

hey folks

[wild grail]

Yeah I get that , also I talked to a friend of mine yesterday their brother works in the company I was looking at .

He said I myself came inside by referral, rn nobody's hiring here , like they need no more people.

Internships , they go to rep collages and may be select one or two . That's it .

No hope on this it industry

[smoky quest]

there are far more companies out there than your friend's

[wild grail]

Well there are , but ther are also other factors right location , travel

[smoky quest]

sure, but no reason to jump to the conclusion there is no hope

[wild grail]

It's been almost 6 monthssince graduation. Is it normal or am I taking more time 😓

[smoky quest]

I can't answer that

it depends on your resume, where you applied, how many applications, etc.

[wild grail]

Ohh

[wild grail]

@smoky quest could you review my small project and advice me on how to make bullet points tho?...you can ask questions 😅😭

[smoky quest]

send the details?

[wild grail]

https://liteparse-resume-parser.onrender.com/

I kinda tryed both browser and api flow

@smoky quest well I deployed on render sometimes it may be too slow 🐌 🙃.

[smoky quest]

Thanks! I will check in the morning

[wild grail]

Okie

[worthy jewel]

Hey People,
I know python a little bit and have made few projects in it
I want to learn backend, so should i learn Javascript or continue learning python for Backend ??

[steady violet]

Both are used for backend so just choose whichever interests you more

[rigid peak]

guys

If you are an expert in Python,

How long did it take?

[willow hearth]

can python be used to make mobile apps?

I’m trying to make my own start up but I don’t know where to start

[vast shoal]

You can deploy to mobile with Kivy I think

[lusty horizon]

up I think, Good luck

[willow hearth]

whats kiva if I may ask?

[random verge]

I hope you fail, you probably will succeed but i hope you don't, I'm your first hater

Use that as motivation

[covert hatch]

Python:No Puton:Yes

[vast shoal]

https://kivy.org/

[crisp stream]

!clban 622823116757794827 TradingView scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @night jetty permanently.

[vast valley]

Can someone help me in Roblox studio

[lunar shell]

question: how do you deal with more silly and non-serious projects, especially in the context of having my real life identity at play? do you make a new github specifically for them or do you put them alongside regular projects within the same GitHub?

[proud glacier]

depends on what kind of silly

[lunar shell]

some microgames in warioware diy\

type of silly, and potentially some light mods of other games

[proud glacier]

yeah that's perfectly fine
it's only if it's shady/malicious/offensive stuff that you need to be concerned IMO
making small games is good. shows personality

[lunar shell]

and i was also potentially thinking about doing nsfw-adjacent software in the future (aka software that is tailored to the nsfw market, but isn't necessarily nsfw content heavy)

but idk

[willow hearth]

gng how did I get a hater before I get a fan

😭

[vast shoal]

If you're worried, just make a different github account for it

[vapid violet]

You will likely have to setup the correct name/email in the git config for each project as well. I recently did this because I want to contribute to public repos for my university without my main github showing up there and people being able to know what university I go to.

[thorny raven]

Hey guys, um is this normal that is robloxs website ill send mine after cooldown

[near ocean]

no its not normal to like roblox and this is the career channel not tech support, #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[whole flare]

[winged plume]

lmfao I saw this

[peak halo]

This isn't a meme server

[peak halo]

This is the most recent on-topic question

[smoky quest]

No one will care.

The rule of thumb is: if you are concerned about explaining your project to your mom/boss/law_officer, then yeah, it may be worth thinking twice about doing it

[rigid pike]

does anyone have a code that has integration with tesseractocr or easyocr that can identify dates of several videos in a row?

i’ve already managed to integrate with tesseract, but it seems that the video quality is not enough to identify the date, I tried to use opencv but it doesn't work either bruh

[jade pelican]

dates? what? what are you talking about

[rigid pike]

y, dates. I've recovered some videos from a hard drive, and I need to label them with the correct dates. the videos are from a security camera, and the date is displayed in the top right corner

[whole flare]

wrong channel fwiw.

[waxen hare]

So iam going to be applying to CV based internships soon , i was hoping to get an opinion on my resume

[jade pelican]

send

[shadow locust]

Is double majoring worth it?

[smoky quest]

it depends

[wild grail]

@smoky quest I think you forgot to check my lil proj 🙃

[smoky quest]

Indeed. Let's try again tomorrow

[reef laurel]

Yo guys what is that 💀

what did i make 😭

[wild grail]

Oh ok then

[willow hearth]

guys what can I do with kivy?

[dapper latch]

I just got fired from DataAnnotation, idk why I didnt break NDA nor do I work with low quality

[regal night]

hey guys what you all thing about mass layoofs going around the world. is AI truly eating all coding jobs?

[dapper latch]

I didnt even break any ToS. I just provided a working experience in LinkedIn, like “helping machine learning models” thats it I dont go in detail with which project did I do

[near ocean]

Maybe you should try contacting them about it? How would pydis help you here?

[sweet pivot]

kind of, like Amazon recently laid off 14000 jobs recently not because of AI but to pay for it. AI infrastructure costs are really expensive, these data centres, nvdia chips are spending money faster than AWS can make it. To compete with other companies they need to make more money and the fastest way to do that? Cut off 14000 salaries

[regal night]

yeah they are making room for AGI. which is supposed to take over coders job

[dapper latch]

How to survive in AI’s world where even the best AI engineer is fired and the best data scientist is not safe because AI took over. Thanks a lot OpenAI.

[near ocean]

The very best people at each field are safe and will be the last people to be laid off if at all

[dapper latch]

Ur right but dataannotation has no support i know its weird but it is what it is.

[near ocean]

Youre not a customer

[dapper latch]

Yea I meant the support not customer support

[near ocean]

That should have been a red flag from the start, did these people even pay you?

[dapper latch]

For the first few months, yes. I get modest amounts of projects

[peak halo]

If you're interested in jobs that are especially intersectional, it would probably help. But just double majoring in CS and math because you wanted to double major would probably be a waste of time

[gleaming maple]

hey guys

[delicate meteor]

Hmmmmmph did you some illegal stuff while working with them or what kind of jobs were you doing

[flat wasp]

I’ve been struggling in interviews since I can’t answer many of the questions properly, and I haven’t received any interview calls for entry-level positions yet. i learning by self

[mossy wren]

Hey! I'm currently learning Python and planning to pursue a career in full-stack development. I'm really enjoying it so far, but I'm also trying to be realistic about the industry.
With AI becoming more capable, how do you see full-stack roles evolving over the next 5+ years? Do fundamentals and hands-on experience still matter long-term, or do you think most of the work will shift toward AI-assisted workflows?

For those already working in the field — do you feel full-stack will still be a solid career path for the near future, or would you recommend focusing on a different direction/area in tech?

[waxen hare]

here

would appretiate feedback

[still condor]

NoSQL isn't really a language. I would specify what non-relational databases you worked with

[visual flax]

discrete mathematics should I use a youtube professor or m.i.t? I have to say I always struggle with m.i.t work but I want to know if I'm just scared of doing extra work? Because youtube professors are usually so much easier to follow

[open ivy]

People complain I talk too much (bad for networking). But I spend days and days with very little human interaction (because everyone these days seems to be alone on screens) so the average is quite low. I get plenty of screen time as well (of course) and when I get a chance to see people not glued to thier glowing rectangles it is a rare sight. So this is tricky given that even reaching 1/2 of a healthy amount of social interaction comes across as a super chatterbox. But surely I am not alone as screen-glue is everywhere.

Networking has lots of problems like these. But it is also interesting, with lots of little tips I learned, so overall it is a solid strategy.

[visual flax]

IF your employer doesn't mind the behavior I wouldn't give it a second thought

If you see it getting you the results you want then I'd just continue

[open ivy]

I would say 75% of people in general don't like it, 10% like it, the rest neutral.

So yes it is a problem given 75% is a lot. The root of the problem is everyone on screens way too much. I am not inherently over-talkative but when days go by with little interaction (programming is also screen-heavy, and there are many reasons why I must keep doing it) then overtalking is an issue.

A similar situation is here:

https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/197136/how-to-handle-a-colleague-who-spends-hours-every-day-chatting-about-personal-hom

The colleague in question only needs 30 min a day or so! But other people are "not the least bit interested in what he's sharing" so he is getting zero time. Because of this, he comes across as someone who wants to talk endlessly even though that is not the case.

[vast shoal]

While I appreciate your point, I also don't think anyone's obliged to talk about non-work topics at work.

[solid parcel]

You're misunderstanding his point. It's a case of capital reallocation to pay for investments in AI rather than AI imminently replacing engineers.

[vast shoal]

30 minutes of something you have no interest in and that you didn't consent to listening to is in fact a long time.

[solid parcel]

Particularly if said talk is contextually more of an info dump about a special interest rather than a two way conversation.

[radiant vortex]

Sit down by yourself and put on a video/podcast/audio of someone talking about a topic you don't find any interest for 30 minutes. You can't stop it/speed it up/change it or leave

[open ivy]

Yes you are getting to the core point of the problem: how do you fight that urge? Since it's not fair to expect them to be captive audiences.

In the old days you would find shared interests. But in doomscrolling dystopia that is much harder.

[umbral ginkgo]

https://roadmap.sh/data-analyst I found this Data Analyst roadmap online. I have some python programming experience and SQL experience from school and some excel experience from contracting jobs. Trying to just get my foot in the door as a junior (1 year out of college, studied CS as well). Was thinking of trying this roadmap out. But I was wondering if I could get myself ready by january - febuary (3-4 months from now)? Have a couple of DA projects that I started but never finished, also trying to get into the utilities industry. Have a couple of connections but not sure what else I need to do. Not looking to be an expert, again just enough so that I start working as a DA, any further input would be nice, thanks!

[open ivy]

Its hard to say how well this works to get a job. We don't have data.

A similar issue for AI job app helpers. Applying to jobs is a very well-known and very tedious task which makes it ideal for AI. But there are so many scams!

So my strategy is to pick projects and learning paths I find fun. Which is important for productivity and the only thing I have to go by given we dont have knowledge as to which paths are better.

[umbral ginkgo]

I guess it can get me a starting point, because the core skills are important, I also have a DA friend, so I'll talk to him as well

[open ivy]

The doomscrolling algorithm is extremely effective. I mean what else do you expect from armies of highly talented people with obscene amounts of data?

One would think that people would be chomping at the bit for real human interaction after all these hours with an algorithm. This happens to me, and is a very good thing but it is uncommon.

For most people zombie feeds make them quieter because I guess it wears out their brains? And when I finally get face to face screen-free interaction and they want a half hour of silence it is difficult to fight talking.

[silk vine]

Chat just a question to make a compiler if i use python will it make it slow?

Or like will it make it fast?

[open ivy]

Gneerally dont worry about slow. If you ship a project for portfolio it helps get a job, and shipping is much more important than speed.

[vast shoal]

This is a career discussion channel, your question is better suited for #python-discussion

[remote jay]

Hello

[spark oak]

.

[barren summit]

career up

[jade pelican]

doesn't matter

[near ocean]

This is the career discussion channel tho, you can show your dog off in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[cedar ravine]

Hey everyone! I’m completely new to Python , I practise front-end web development, I want to learn Python for both AI and web development, but don’t know where to start. Can anyone guide me on the best path or what to focus on first?

[visual flax]

Alright gentlemen
I have a lot of work to do today
How can I handle the emotional weight of doing hard learnign everyday.I can't blame my disability for everything but idk how to deal with it some days

[balmy mural]

I'd suggest talking to a professional about this. People in this channel likely don't have the right expertise to help with this

[visual flax]

Alright thank you, I didn't actually realize how personal the message was

[proud glacier]

We don't allow seeking paid work on this server, sorry.

[dense crane]

I didn't know that. Sorry!

[near ocean]

we do a little academic dishonesty, aye?

[peak halo]

!warn @dense crane your message was removed for offering payment for someone to do your homework for you, which is doubly not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @dense crane.

[open ivy]

Transit availability is important for strong communities social justice etc

The practical upshot of this is that you should seek out better transit areas for your networking reach-outs.

In the Bay Area, for example, Oakland Berkeley and SF are generally better than San Jose for finding future coworkers.

[marsh hornet]

Is it too late for me to code?, I just wanna learn to code in my free time

[vapid violet]

there is someone who is over 50 that is in my computer science program at university. It is never too late

[marsh hornet]

Okay that gave me hope lol

[smoky quest]

the bay area and tech is not the best place to look for social justice

[vapid jay]

hey everyone, currently in sixth form aspiring to be a chemical engineer, do you think that it would be useful for me to learn python

i am still a beginner but know most of the basics right now, started around a week ago and i am currently learning about for loops and list etc

[vast shoal]

Yes, probably.

[vapid jay]

thanks alot man

do you have any free resources you could recommend for me to learn, as most of the 'free' resources i find are only limited for a while and then i have to pay to access the rest

[vast shoal]

Any kind of STEM profession deals with information processing and data in one form or another, and Python is useful for automating different types of data processing tasks.

[vapid jay]

got it! thanks for anwering my question

[vast shoal]

Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

All of these are free.

[vapid jay]

genuinely im so grateful dude this is so helpful

[open ivy]

Looking at skilled jobs that have moderate but not extreme human interaction, tech is OK for social justice. There is open-source software, small startups that are fighting to open markets against bigger companies, etc.

And the bay area has much better public transit than most US cities which contributes to it's vibrant cultures and networking opportunities such as makerspaces etc.

If you want to start a collab then go to a game jam.

This sub is more about how to get a job and how to work on the job, thus my discussions on networking (which is my main strategy for getting a job).

[peak halo]

!warn 1417838502199951431 your message was removed for offering work, which is against the rules.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @tropic smelt.

[ember ivy]

What is easier ? Ai/ml path or software developer path in general ?

[regal axle]

Software developer. Technically requires less time to enter. Less schooling required etc

[ember ivy]

I have two types of 3 years university course to choose from right now...

One would be the traditional software engineering route

The other is a relatively new ai/ml course for bachelor's that start last year.

What would be the pros and cons ?

Any strengths I need in particular ?

Difficulty?

Job Market?

I live in Europe ,so I'm not exactly sure if it is different from the American market ?

I'm also new to python, I like it but I find it tough so far , I'm not very smart. But I do want to get into this line of work in the future.

[regal axle]

ML and creation AI (not generative AI, but creating AI) requires more than a bachelors. So if you want to commit to that field, you will need to do more education. Or be really lucky. Or nepotism is also possible.
But also, you can enter ML after going down a "traditional" software engineering route.

All that said; this is something you will need to figure out yourself and what you want for your future. I would try to talk with some peers and counselors. Idk how quality they are in europe (school counselors). If they are good, you should use that resource.

[warped mirage]

is it just me or does everyone want to be a data analyst after learning Python and want to specialise in a particular field? Data analytics/data science seems to be a hot field.

[ember ivy]

Alright thanks. I don't have friends ☠️ and my school counselor is not very educated in this field and didn't give me any in-depth answers sadly.

I have done and completed elements of ai course by university of Helsinki and I thought it was okay and I quite like it. It was very basic though.

So any input would be nice.

[regal axle]

I this choice locking you in for the next 3 years? Or is this a class for a semester?

[ember ivy]

Right now I'm taking my high school equivalent credentials and one of the courses I am doing is artificial intelligence . It's an introductory course and very basic . We had to go through elements of ai , Introduction to ai as a part of the course.

I'll be finishing up next year and get ready for university. So, I need a goal to work towards and know my options , viability and how realistic it is for me to thrive at.

[drifting lotus]

is it possible to land a job in data analytics if i am still going with my bachelor's degree in progress

[peak halo]

what bachelors degree are you pursuing, and have you applied to internships?

[flat wasp]

from where we can learn dsa in python

[drifting lotus]

im majoring in physics, and i had an intership once but i dont think its very related

[peak halo]

!clban 1433000244945223841 spam account

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @vital creek permanently.

[peak halo]

and you don't want a job in physics? can you still change majors?

[drifting lotus]

i want to but its very competitive, the usual path is u get a phd then work as university professor which take a long path, thats why i chose data analytics instead

[drifting lotus]

i dont think i can now

[peak halo]

@drifting lotus how would you feel about doing a masters in CS once you finish the physics undergrad?

[drifting lotus]

i think i can, its 1-2 years right?

[peak halo]

yes

[drifting lotus]

btw is it required by employers

[peak halo]

different companies will have different policies. but if your degree is in physics, and you apply for a data analyst position, and five people apply with degrees related to data analysis, why should they even interview you?

[drifting lotus]

oh i didnt saw it that way

btw is a degree is cs the closest? how bout statistics etc

[peak halo]

look at job listings for analyst positions and see what the preferred degrees are

[drifting lotus]

im attempting to get paid certificates from coursera instead, do u think employers will appreciate it?

[scarlet knoll]

depends on the employer

[atomic zinc]

Complete beginner looking to get into coding, what resources would you guys use most if you had to relearn everything?

[rain zephyr]

helloword("print");

[regal axle]

First off, I can't answer anything for you. With that in mind; I would ask yourself if you want to go into many years of schooling and if your life path can handle that (do you have the finances to handle it). I don't know how expensive or complicated it is to get a high enough education for ML. But I imagine it is more than a normal Bachelors.
That first question might answer what you should focus on for you. The second question, if you pass the first, is what you enjoy and why. What is your motivation for getting into anything. And ... you will likely be wrong in some capacity. And that is ok. But also the literal costs of being wrong are high. With that in mind, IMO SWE is a bit more general and "safe" to pivot into other niches. And proper SWE takes more than just some classes at school.
And the other advice I would give, is to ignore anyone trying to predict the demand for these roles by the time you graduate. No one knows. No one can know. So don't overly index that into your choices.

[rain zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-26246178

[ember ivy]

What do you mean swe takes more than just classes ... Do you mean by building portfolios and projects ?

[regal axle]

Yea basically. College doesn't teach you much in the way of how to actually be a good modern SWE. It teaches you many things. But not that. It does provide a foundation. And depending on the school, that foundation might be really wide or shallow etc.
To be a good SWE, you will need to work on things outside of class. You will need to learn and explore byond the curriculum.

And regardless of what path you go; make sure to talk to people in and be active outside of class. The greatest value of any degree is the people you meet and not the paper itself (oh and that college teaches you how to learn.)

[calm geode]

is there a channel I can ask basic python questions

[regal axle]

Nah. Check out #python-discussion or #1035199133436354600
-# GL 🙂

[ember ivy]

I went to read up on the requirements and found out that the ai/ml course is almost impossible to get into for my standards 😂 . It requires 3.9/4 gpa equivalency. But yes thank you for your time and input ! It was enlightening for me

[peak halo]

!mute 1420332473715265606 Asking for work and spamming in every channel are both against the rules. Please permanently stop both behaviors so you don't get banned.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @tight nacelle until <t:1762316791:f> (1 hour).

[naive wharf]

where can i learn python easily for free?

[kindred oyster]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[naive wharf]

thanks

[vapid jay]

Guys i just finished python so how can i earn money now😭😭

[viral adder]

Hello guys. Have a question.
Computer science or cyber security degree? What should I choose?
Which one is better, could u tell me pros and cons of them?

[pale oriole]

hi

[solid parcel]

You've finished all of Python, eh? 😁

[solid parcel]

I'd go comp sci. Imo it tends to give a stronger technical foundation than cyber, which has a habit of focusing more on risk management and ethics. Easier to build a foundation and then transition into cyber rather than trying to jump straight into it imo... Trying to threat model and secure systems without a strong grasp of how they actually function is a fools errand

Comp sci also gives a more generic grounding, which I think is good when you're starting out. You're unlikely to know what parts of tech you'll actually enjoy until you've got some hands on experience. Comp sci is more generalisable than cyber, so makes it easier to pivot into a different specialism rather than pigeonholing you into a role you may find you hate.

[unique yarrow]

Hello guys how could i start earning money with python if i am under 18?

[fresh verge]

I have a question the senior or junior programming has a measured by years of work? such as man work 12 hours everyday and other man work 6 hours everyday

[near ocean]

Can you rephrase this question?

[stray mauve]

If the CS degree doesn't get people a job nowadays that easily in the job market why should go in for it than changing your path

[near ocean]

Degrees have never been guaranteed to get you a job
Theres nothing wrong with not going down the software dev path

[stray mauve]

Then how do people still able to get jobs without CS degree but are certified from online courses hosted by companies and university

[near ocean]

Do they though?

[solid parcel]

Undoubtedly, yes. Which isn't to say that everyone that attempts it succeeds, but it's certainly a viable approach to self-learn rather than going the uni route.

[stray mauve]

They say computer science degree isn't a guarantee for that job u want to get at junior level due to layoffs as well as AI revolution

[strong lava]

it doesn't have much to do with AI, actually. the economy is starting to suck and companies are being more careful about who they hire and keep

[near ocean]

If a good chunk of people who attempt it fail it i wouldn't really say its viable

[strong lava]

without a degree, you need a strong portfolio and network
you'd also be competing with people who have those things and a degree

[solid parcel]

By that reasoning, a comp sci degree is similarly unviable. Talking in terms of relative outcomes can be helpful, but making blanket statements about the feasibility of different approaches is less so.

[near ocean]

Similarly unviable?

Do we have similar numbers from self taught or even bootcamp people as we do from college graduates

[stray mauve]

Like if u want to niche in data engineering A Data engineer said it's very possible to get the data engineering role just by taking courses online and building projects related to that field can potentially set u apart unlike students who with CS degree but can't leverage that knowledge for problem solving

[near ocean]

People on social media say all kinds of shit, the point is to get clicks

[solid parcel]

You just said 'if a good chunk of people who attempt it fail, I wouldn't really say it's viable'.

So yeah, following your own argument, a comp sci degree is absolutely unviable. I'm not trying to be pedantic here, but dismissing the self-taught route as entirely unviable is a view that is both lacking in nuance and demonstrably false (at least via your current articulation). As demonstrated by your definition of unviable including the comp sci degree path (which has a significant number of people drop out or fail to break into the industry), and it discounting the significant numbers of engineers who do enter the industry without a degree.

[stray mauve]

He is a data engineer and has a full roadmap on what u need to learn in becoming a data engineer it is considerable

U don't need to pay alot of money for his course to take his course unlike how much u pay in your university and most of what he teaches u is something u going to learn in the university

[stray mauve]

Do u have your CS degree alr lol

[near ocean]

this topic has been discussed to death, not going to sit and argue for it again and again
if you dont want to listen to established advice youre free to take the self taught route and prove everyone wrong
do whatever you want, we're not your dad

[stray mauve]

Lmao 🤣🤣

[near ocean]

also, #career-advice message

[stray mauve]

It wasn't an argument to begin with I was just being factual with the job market and students with CS degree still in hassle to get the job but not izy ,how is that suppose to motivate u

I mean Alot of students with the CS degree can't manage to get it and decide to switch careers

[near ocean]

So CS students are struggling, that's true, what makes you think you'd be ahead of them without a degree
Is it this guy's course? is it a magic course?

[stray mauve]

I will just knowing the right path alot of them don't know the right path

[solid parcel]

He's right in as much as it can be a harder route to take. Self study is viable, but generally requires that you hold yourself to account for your own learning, whereas uni provides more structure for you.

[near ocean]

why do you think you know "the right path"?

[solid parcel]

If you want the easiest most straightforward path, uni is the way to go. Past that, it comes down to what you're optimising for. There's an opportunity cost regardless of the route you take.

[near ocean]

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/developers#2-educational-attainment
going by SO's survey around 80% of professional devs have at least a bachelor's
going by numbers, that's the right path, not whatever influencer "data engineer" says on tiktok

[stray mauve]

It's all about knowing how to get there with direction I'm not saying uni is bad but not solely depending on CS batchelor degree to get that job

[near ocean]

Yes self study can get you a job, but youre on discord right now
the people who make it to industry studying by themselves without a degree are not the same type of people who ask on discord for the "easy way to a job without college"

[near ocean]

it sounds like youre solely depending on this influencer you found online

[solid parcel]

I could have missed it, but I don't think I read him saying self-study would be easy?

[stray mauve]

Like if u want to be a data engineer u don't necessarily need a uni degree in as much as university course build that path for u ,u have to build yourself for that path because it's not the degree that will make u standout because alot of students have that degree as well

And that only comes by self studying

[solid parcel]

If you try and go the self-study route, the core thing is to have access to feedback from engineers with more experience than yourself. That's readily available in the context of a degree as you'll be submitting marked assignments, but is something you'd have to seek out yourself outside of that.

[stray mauve]

I am not solely dependent it is just a tip or let me say a hack

[near ocean]

Out of curiosity, how much does this course cost

[solid parcel]

It's a good question, if it's a bootcamp type deal, I'd be highly skeptical

[stray mauve]

That's what I mean by building yourself for that career path which is up to u , for instance if it was that easy for u to have a job after getting your CS degree there will no need for u to struggle learning by yourself and building projects to prep u for your career if the university is going to teach u aot that's why students don't Still get jobs after the degree

[near ocean]

inb4 4 digits for some random course

Can you link us the course actually

[stray mauve]

It depends on the plan not all the prices are the same but if u want to get a certified by a company after completing their course like AWS or Google their degrees are always recognized when u go in for job application

[near ocean]

Thats different lol
The people providing the service (AWS, GCP, etc) provide the certs that say youre good at the service
Its not some random guy
I wouldnt trust a pluralsight course on AWS more than i would the amazon certs themselves

Can you share the course please.

[stray mauve]

I'm on datacamp,Coursera and other platforms but the guy techwithtim says he drop out of university and got a job without a CS degree

And eventually decided to get the CS degree

[near ocean]

There are so many free courses you could take, there are courses from highly reputable universities out there for free, why would you pay this techwithtim guy for this and who would recognize his certification?

[solid parcel]

Sites like Coursera can be decent for learning, but I promise absolutely nobody will care about you having a cert from there.

[stray mauve]

Bro he is a professional software Developer and has created job opportunities, interviewed and Hired people

[near ocean]

His job is selling courses

You can do the self taught route if you insist but this isnt how its done

He's not even a data eng guy

[stray mauve]

He is a software developer and guides u on what to focus on related to ur niche not wasting on concepts or skills that will not be relevant in that career path like data scientist,data engineering, software dev and more.

[near ocean]

If youre gonna pay for a course at least go buy a data eng's course

[stray mauve]

Check up zach

He said u can get a job without a university degree in data engineering u all trying to get

[near ocean]

What is your timeline for all of this btw
Do you want a job in the next month? 6 months? Year?

[fringe sphinx]

This is the tough part of career advice: it's nuanced, it's about maximizing opportunities, etc. You want the most options? Get a degree, meet people (network) and practice (self study) on your own.

[fringe sphinx]

Me too. I have a different opinion. Unfortunately, I have no YouTube.

[stray mauve]

Ik university cs degree are imperative to get but I don't fully count on It's good u use that degree as a supplement boost your career prospect

[fringe sphinx]

Yup! Key thing is to keep learning and challenging yourself

[stray mauve]

Some of u software engineer make it harder for people without degree but technical skills from online or boot programs to have a job because u all had degrees in the university and prolly want them to have a degree as well although they have what it takes to get that job from interview session

[fringe sphinx]

That's true, love it or hate it, engineering managers tend to want people with similar backgrounds.

[solid parcel]

Degrees are also an easy way to filter out candidates if you've got a deluge of applications. Which is particularly useful if on average the calibre of candidates with a degree is better than those without. If you've got an excess of talent to choose from, who cares if you end up discarding a few fantastic engineers? You're a commodity as a worker.

[stray mauve]

I mean how will u feel if someone told u he was able to get the job without a CS degree and works for a company how are u going to feel when u have degree but still trying to get a job

[fringe sphinx]

Exceptions aren't the rule

[stray mauve]

I just need an answer lol

Or let me say u had a degree and successfully got a job and your colleague tells u he was able to get that job without a CS degree

[fringe sphinx]

I've worked and hired ppl without degrees.

[stray mauve]

What made u hire them without a degree

Be honest

[fringe sphinx]

Couldn't find anyone else

[stray mauve]

U couldn't find anyone else to hire with a degree

So in other words u don't hire people without degrees

[fringe sphinx]

Usually not. Nowadays especially. 5 years ago, I had to

I'm not everyone. I'm just saying what I do.

[stray mauve]

Is u basis for hiring someone the degree or the technical skills he has for problem solving

[fringe sphinx]

Multiple things. Including maturity and interpersonal skills

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[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @onyx lodge permanently.

[near ocean]

When my team was hiring we interviewed 6-7 people before we offered a spot
We had 5 candidates from bootcamp/selfstudy backgrounds, i was hoping they would do well enough to pass cause i wanted to believe self taught people could do the job just like anyone else
0 out of 5 could solve fizzbuzz

It made me sad

[stray mauve]

I know but Technical skills id the core skill u want from an employee than just a degree based on that niche what makes u think a person with a CS degree who wants to get a job in data engineering than someone without a computer degree

[stray mauve]

So the people with cs degree could solve it

[near ocean]

Yes the only candidates that could get past it were the degree people
And it wasnt just CS degree

[stray mauve]

Exactly even guys without the CS degree made it

And not everyone with the CS degree made it

[near ocean]

Guys with physics degrees are not the same as guys with bootcamp certs

[stray mauve]

Wdym lmao

A guy with physics degree had a software dev job without a CS degree

[near ocean]

A stem degree is miles better than no degree

[stray mauve]

You will use that as a cope because he had a degree at the end of the day lmao 🤣

[near ocean]

Alright guy, this has gone on for too long
If youre gonna do your little course check back with us when you find a data job

[stray mauve]

It doesn't matter the degree whether it is degree in agriculture

[solid parcel]

It's quite the jump from anecdotal experience to believing that self-taught people can't do the job.

I would agree that bootcamp/self-study engineers often have a weaker grasp on concepts than grads, but that's far from the same as self taught engineers as a collective being unable to do the job. Hasty generalisation fallacy...

[near ocean]

I didnt say that self taught cant do the job though

What i said was it made me sad that none of the self taught people we interviewed could get past the most basic interview problem

[stray mauve]

Bro ik it's kinda unfair to u when someone without a CS degree get a job than someone with a degree but sometimes it matters the university background

[near ocean]

My guy i dont care if people get jobs with or without degrees

There are people from apprenticeships to PhDs where i work

[stray mauve]

if a question is passed by all graduated student with bachelor in CS and failed by students without CS degree don't u think that's weird to u

[near ocean]

Why would it be weird

[solid parcel]

Prefacing that with 'I wanted to believe self taught people could do the job just like anyone else' strongly implies that following the candidates going 0/5 on FizzBuzz, you no longer believe self taught candidates can do the job.

[near ocean]

I have lower expectations now

Is that not allowed?

[solid parcel]

Where on earth did I say that? Please don't put words in my mouth.

[near ocean]

Why are you getting so defensive lol

[stray mauve]

Is what u belief that employees without degrees are lacking in something CS degree graduate have

[stray mauve]

Fr

[near ocean]

Its my experience that self taught devs dont perform as well as cs or even generic stem grads

(in interviews anyway)

I dont think i've worked with selftaught devs even tho we interview them

[fringe sphinx]

That's not true.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't make this weird: something can be generally true, but not absolutely true. Not all burritos are delicious, but most of them are.

[stray mauve]

Then how come are these CS degree students not still able to get a job

[analog sun]

The job market is tough currently

[fringe sphinx]

Do you think non degree applicants are having an easier time landing SWE jobs?

Nobody is saying you -must- get a degree, or that a degree is necessary for success in SWE, only that it's very very helpful and unlocks a lot of doors.

[solid parcel]

It remains the path of least resistance, even as the grad premium continually shrinks

[stray mauve]

It is

[icy pagoda]

"no degree = way more difficult to get a job" is not equivalent to "degree = easy to get a job"
especially in the current market

[stray mauve]

Sure so that's why I'm not really hyped about CS degree at the end of the day

[near ocean]

So dont go for it, its ok

[stray mauve]

Data engineer it's still possible

[analog sun]

That is an interesting takeaway from the conversation

[stray mauve]

I will still go for it

[near ocean]

Why?

[analog sun]

What is "it" ? A course/certification or a degree?

[stray mauve]

For the people who want the degree not really my business

Lol

[icy pagoda]

not sure about data engineers but the data science-adjacent sectors often require degrees. for more important positions (like research), sometimes masters degrees

often specifically in computer science or related mathematical sciences

[stray mauve]

Why do they want the degree tell me

If u have the skills without the degree itself

[analog sun]

In general, it is the first and quickest filter for the HR person

[near ocean]

How can you prove you have the skills?

[stray mauve]

They will need to interview based on that field lmao 🤣

[pine sleet]

too many people without degrees. easy to just filter them out and you're still left with enough candidates with degrees and skills

[stray mauve]

If it was degree that proved the skills why is the degree holders not employed lmao 🤣

[near ocean]

So would they interview hundreds and thousands of people who say they have the skills?

[pine sleet]

i dont have numbers but its probably such that there are more viable candidates per N degree holders than there are per N non degree holders

[stray mauve]

At the end of the day it is about what u can do not just degrees that's all

[near ocean]

A lot of people say they can do the job, how do you decide which one to hire

[icy pagoda]

"no degree = way more difficult to get a job" is not equivalent to "degree = easy to get a job"
you are at a massive disadvantage if you do not have a degree, you aren't special if you have a degree

[stray mauve]

Yeah the skill is the most valuable part

[pine sleet]

uni grads generally have that baseline skill. those without can be all over the place in terms of quality

[stray mauve]

Uuh the requirements to get the job isn't mostly the degree like I said I will do it for the people that want it

[pine sleet]

at minimum it proves you can consistently show up on time, do the work you're assigned, learn stuff that you don't know about

[analog sun]

In my non-computer science engineering role this is how I've seen the hiring process go:

• Hiring manager creates request for a new position / backfill an opening
• Job description gets created and posted along with requirements
• Generally in a corporation that requirement includes a 4 year degree
• Position gets posted
• Who knows how many applications are received
• 80% don't have a degree, gets filtered out by HR or the system itself
• 20% gets reviewed further

I would imagine that this applies to a computer science role and could generalize to companies in every sector that are hiring a specialist level role.

[near ocean]

I think youre confusing things
We arent saying this is how it should be
We're saying this is how it is

[stray mauve]

Exactly like data engineering u know what the interviews expect u to know so u are going to prepare yourself for it izy peasy but not they insist u should have a degree at least but when it comes to proving the degree is worth that's where the problem is

[solid parcel]

Bingo. It's a useful rough heuristic that, on average, will leave you with a more consistently capable pool of candidates.

[near ocean]

I wish i didnt have to spend tens of thousands and 4 years of my life but here we are

[stray mauve]

U people want the degree not me so I will get the degree because u want it lmao 🤣

[analog sun]

Sweet

[pine sleet]

gotta do what you gotta do

[analog sun]

Use the opportunity to grow your skills and discover new things

[near ocean]

Maybe when you get to a hiring manager position you can exclusively hire non degree people
Be the change you want to see in the world

[icy pagoda]

how would you propose you'd select someone out of 10000 applicants

[near ocean]

They would simply interview all 10k applicants

[icy pagoda]

damn

[stray mauve]

If u have what it takes to back up the degree fine then the job is yours vro

[near ocean]

How do you know someone has what it takes

Are you interviewing anyone and everyone who applies

[stray mauve]

I will assess your technical skills in all areas of that field then if u are good enough then u can get the job even without the degree

[icy pagoda]

for 10k people?

[pine sleet]

i wish

[near ocean]

Linkedin wont give me numbers anymore lol, it just says "Over 100 applied" smh

I guess its so applicants arent discouraged

[analog sun]

So even at the low end, assuming the interview process is 2 interviews + assessment thats 300 hours of work for that one position

[stray mauve]

Ur niche is what u should focus to stand out

[analog sun]

"hi mr. manager, why have you not accomplished any of your tasks for almost 3 months 7.5 weeks?"

[near ocean]

What niche are you focusing on

[stray mauve]

If u want to be a data engineer Learn what is needed for data engineering

[pine sleet]

good thing a data engineering program at a university teaches that

[stray mauve]

I didn't refuse but the same stuff u are taught about data engineering is the same stuff u learn in online courses

[pine sleet]

people are lazy and probably wont learn it to the same depth

[stray mauve]

The reason u going to the university is to get the degree

[analog sun]

Most people go to learn

[solid parcel]

fyi those numbers are significantly inflated because they increment for anyone that follows the apply link, regardless of if they actually complete the application or immediately navigate away

[near ocean]

Universities offer more resources

[analog sun]

The degree is the certification that says "they know at least this amount of things"

[pine sleet]

let's be honest are you really going to study calculus and do the practice problems in your textbook on your own

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're hearing what you want to hear. That's not what I'm saying.

[near ocean]

Yes i noticed recently they changed their wording from "X applied" to "X clicked Apply"

[solid parcel]

Social proof!

[stray mauve]

Like what

[near ocean]

Career fairs, internships, networking opportunities and peers that will soon be in the industry

[stray mauve]

I didn't say CS degree is bad

[fringe sphinx]

I'm saying that 1. The degree is important, not just for the 'degree'. 2. Hiring managers recognize this. 3. Going without a degree is a hard path. A very hard path. With balrogs.

[stray mauve]

Like I earlier said it all depends on that university as well

[near ocean]

Well yes, obviously

[pine sleet]

any state uni will have some decent career fairs and networking oppurtunities. it doesnt have to be anything crazy

[solid parcel]

This is one of the really core points. Self study only works if you're disciplined. I've mentored a fair few people and you get a sense pretty quickly of who will make it, and who will dip out. You've got to be able to motivate yourself even without external pressure to keep you in line.

[fringe sphinx]

Ain't no way I'm self studying linalg

Or diff eq

[pine sleet]

yeha its difficult. easier to just go to uni where your prof assigns you homework and you either do it or fail
for me personally deadlines are my greatest motivator

[stray mauve]

Not all uni that's why universities are different

Some universities got that fairs why others don't

[pine sleet]

right but i think most people just go to their state uni which usually always have fairly big career fairs and whatnot, its not really a problem

[stray mauve]

That's what u think until get a job

[near ocean]

Pick a good reputable university, whats the problem

[stray mauve]

Not everyone is able to get in a reputable university bro

[near ocean]

So get off discord and study

[solid parcel]

The summary really is that you can recreate the majority of what uni gives you, but it's a hell of a lot of work. Fantastic materials are out there. As are user groups, conferences and other networking opportunities, engineers and mentors, opportunities to build connections and a reputation (which you'll likely need to circumvent the lack of a degree).

Uni hands a lot to you on a plate, with a high price tag and the compromise that most courses have a fairly broad focus and it's unlikely that every unit will be applicable to the career path you're wanting to follow.

[pine sleet]

you kinda can. most states have multiple large unis that don't expect too much. it doesn't have to be ivy league

[near ocean]

You dont have to go to MIT my guy, just pick an accredited university

[stray mauve]

Others say than wasting money on university take this course online and discipline yourself

[solid parcel]

If you want the halfway house approach, you could consider going for an online degree like WGU, cramming it as quickly as possible to get the piece of paper, and then focusing on self-study... Not saying that's the option to go for, but it's certainly one of the options open to you.

[pine sleet]

the majority of people are not disciplined enough to self study all of the content at the required depth

[stray mauve]

I mean learning what u need for your niche doesn't require u to have knowledge in all that's what I mean but u still good to learn about it why not

[pine sleet]

hence, its an easy way to filter out a large number of applications. they probably weren't motivated enough to study content at the same level as a uni grad, so just auto filter them out and make it easy for yourself

[stray mauve]

The course online tells u what u need to learn based on that career path like data engineering

[solid parcel]

The gotcha here is that it's very, very difficult to recognise what you need to know, until you know it. The number of times I've had to nudge people away from learning Kubernetes until they've got to grips with Linux, Docker and networking is absurd, as an example. They see Kubernetes as a frequently requested skill, and beeline for it.

[stray mauve]

If it is MIT, Standford or Harvard u can boost chances

[pine sleet]

aint nobody doing all that

[stray mauve]

There's an online course for that which u still going to learn that in the university like look at the tradeoff

[analog sun]

I don't think anyone is changing minds here and it seems to be drifting a bit

[stray mauve]

U don't want to do it but others will do it and get something from it that some uni students don't know about

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, we're going around in circles. Just consider that some of us have different opinions.

[fringe sphinx]

This is specifically where I think people are giving you bad information.

[near ocean]

i dont get it

youre wasting money on university

waste money on this one course noone cares about instead

[stray mauve]

I wouldn't say u are wasting if I were u

[stray mauve]

If that's what u think

[near ocean]

how old are you by the way? have you talked to a career counsellor or a teacher or anyone else offline?

[stray mauve]

Why tho

[near ocean]

cause here we are all just names on a screen
if the advice came from a real life fleshy person you might not be so resistant to it

[stray mauve]

Where u from btw

[near ocean]

Why do you ask

[stray mauve]

Just asking

What continent btw

[near ocean]

Europe

[stray mauve]

Cool

[stray mauve]

U currently in the university

[leaden citrus]

So, I can just learn Python (+ HTML, CSS, JavaScript/Typescript), contribute to 5-7 git repos and land a job?

[regal axle]

No. Not how it works 🤷

[leaden citrus]

More open source projects?

[severe heron]

ʜᴇʏ ᴀʟʟ, ɪ’ᴍ ᴀ ʙʟᴏᴄᴋᴄʜᴀɪɴ ᴅᴇᴠᴇʟᴏᴘᴇʀ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴇxᴘᴇʀᴛɪsᴇ ɪɴ sᴏʟɪᴅɪᴛʏ, ʀᴜsᴛ, ᴘʏᴛʜᴏɴ ᴀɴᴅ ʀᴇᴀᴄᴛ/ɴᴇxᴛ.ᴊs ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛᴀɪʟᴡɪɴᴅs ᴄss.
ɪ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟɪᴢᴇ ɪɴ ғʀᴏɴᴛᴇɴᴅ ᴀs ᴜɪ ᴅᴀsʜʙᴏᴀʀᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴀɪ ᴀɴᴀʟʏsɪs, ᴍᴏᴅᴇʀɴ ᴡᴇʙ ᴅᴀᴘᴘ, ᴀɴᴅ ɴғᴛ ᴍᴀɴᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ, ᴀɴᴅ sᴍᴀʀᴛ ᴄᴏɴᴛʀᴀᴄᴛ ᴅᴇᴠᴇʟᴏᴘᴍᴇɴᴛ, ɴᴏᴅᴇ ᴅᴇᴘʟᴏʏᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴀɴᴅ ᴏᴘᴛɪᴍɪᴢɪɴɢ ᴅᴇᴄᴇɴᴛʀᴀʟɪᴢᴇᴅ ᴀᴘᴘʟɪᴄᴀᴛɪᴏɴs.
ɪ’ᴍ ʜᴇʀᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴇɴɢᴀɢᴇ ɪɴ ᴛᴇᴄʜɴɪᴄᴀʟ ᴅɪsᴄᴜssɪᴏɴs, ᴄᴏʟʟᴀʙᴏʀᴀᴛᴇ ᴏɴ sᴏʟᴠɪɴɢ ᴄᴏᴍᴘʟᴇx ʙʟᴏᴄᴋᴄʜᴀɪɴ ᴄʜᴀʟʟᴇɴɢᴇs, ᴀɴᴅ ᴄᴏɴᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇ ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ᴘᴏssɪʙʟᴇ, ʙᴜᴛ ɪ’ʟʟ ʙᴇ sᴜʀᴇ ᴛᴏ ғᴏʟʟᴏᴡ ᴛʜᴇ sᴇʀᴠᴇʀ’s ɢᴜɪᴅᴇʟɪɴᴇs ғᴏʀ ᴛɪᴍᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴛᴛᴇɴᴛɪᴏɴ.
ʟᴏᴏᴋɪɴɢ ғᴏʀᴡᴀʀᴅ ᴛᴏ ᴄᴏɴɴᴇᴄᴛɪɴɢ ᴡɪᴛʜ ʏᴏᴜ ᴀʟʟ!

[regal axle]

You having some contributions to repos is not an indicator based on how good you are. It is a metric that maybe someone good will have happeend to contributed to OSS. But them doing so is not why they are a good hire.

Point being; learn, create and explore. That will help you become a great developer. And in that process, you might contribute to a bunch of repos. Or not. Doesn't matter. Things like education and who you know have a much greater impact

[still condor]

@severe heron You gotta use normal letters on this server

[stray mauve]

All of these tech skills u got a job alr

U can fix the error if u don't mind

[leaden citrus]

So, develop my own projects and upload them to GitHub?

[peak halo]

!warn @severe heron Please use only standard characters, for compatibility with our moderation tools. Continuing to use non-standard characters will result in your removal from the server.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @severe heron.

[regal axle]

Build things. Technically you never need to upload anything on Github. Depends what you are building and for what purpose

[leaden citrus]

Gotcha

[steep saddle]

Hello world!("print")

[stray mauve]

Ik Bro was going to cuss me with Morse code characters

[stray mauve]

U have the job zak

[steep saddle]

😄

[stray mauve]

/what is python

Why is the bot command not working

[regal axle]

Not sure what bot command you think you are trying to invoke?

[stray mauve]

/help

[steep saddle]

#bot-commands

[flat reef]

Hi all

[stray mauve]

Then how come are bots able to reply on this channel what gave them that privilege

[stray mauve]

Oga na Nigeria u commot

[flat reef]

Why you ask. Just new here

[stray mauve]

Your name na Uchenna and u pfp as well lol

[flat reef]

Wetin be pfp, this one your name na in Chinese

[stray mauve]

U join this server na last year and u talk say u new how

[flat reef]

Na now, i dey send message here.

Just joined and forgot discord.

[stray mauve]

Na your profile picture

[stray mauve]

U di tell me say since last year u join u never send message for this server

[flat reef]

I wan try dey active this days for discord

[stray mauve]

Na your papa be that

[flat reef]

Sure, i go lie for you

[flat reef]

For where

[stray mauve]

Lmao no be u resemble your papa

[fringe sphinx]

We take our "topic" channels seriously.

This is "career" discussion. Stick to the topic. Read the channel description.

!topic

[inner wren]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:

• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[flat reef]

Ok, Bye

[vocal inlet]

Given three floating-point numbers x, y, and z, output x to the power of z, x to the power of (y to the power of z), the absolute value of (x minus y), and the square root of (x to the power of z).

Output each floating-point value with two digits after the decimal point, which can be achieved as follows:
print(f'{your_value1:.2f} {your_value2:.2f} {your_value3:.2f} {your_value4:.2f}')

Ex: If the input is:

5.0
1.5
3.2
Then the output is:

172.47 361.66 3.50 13.13

[stray mauve]

Abeg why u come the server

[fringe sphinx]

You want #1035199133436354600

[stray mauve]

Are u testing me

[stray mauve]

Can u answer a question in leetcode within 20min

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, I can answer any question in under a minute.

It will likely be wrong.

[solid parcel]

A) All LeetCode questions are not made equal
B) LeetCode is functionally worthless until you've got a grasp on at least the basics of a programming language, else all you'd be doing is learning by rote rather than actually building comprehension about where to apply patterns and why.

[peak halo]

what does it mean?

[fringe sphinx]

42

[stray mauve]

Leetcode questions are difficult even the izy question can take u at least 20 min idk what u are on

[stray mauve]

It means 67 ,it is just a good way to be a clown u know

[fringe sphinx]

Omg. Are you saying 67 is the new 42? I finally understand my nephews

[vocal inlet]

i'm just a beginner

[stray mauve]

Can u solve a question under 20 min to get a job

[stray mauve]

U are a beginner by error that question is intermediate

[solid parcel]

Again, there's a vast difference between the difficulty of different LeetCode questions. An easy? Yes. A hard? Absolutely not.

[stray mauve]

Even easy isn't that izy

[fringe sphinx]

By the time you interview, you'll think they're fairly easy

No trivial, just not hard

[onyx wyvern]

hello everyone

[stray mauve]

Instead u are under pressure not to loose the job because u have to think the question through, maybe think until the 29 min is over lmao

[fringe sphinx]

Good thing nobody can fire me.

[stray mauve]

What are u talking about 😂

I have literally seen a boss being fired by another boss

[north comet]

Hey guys, I'm new here and I wanted to ask a few questions about career choices

I want to do computer science in college and go to some big brands, but I can't choose between comp sci and software eng

[stray mauve]

@fringe sphinx we need your bills

[north comet]

Which one is best
(i also like editing videos and tech)

[fringe sphinx]

In many uni's, there's very little difference between the two. Look at the course differences

CS probably has a few more maths and theories, and SWE a few more applied classes

[north comet]

Thanks

[leaden citrus]

I solved this in my head, under a minute 🥱

[viral adder]

Thank you!

[dusk prawn]

import print
using std:
int main(std::string dox){
void ptr*(){print::cout<"doxxed">}
return 1;
}

guys when i added this part of my code my dox.py doesnt work anymore

[high silo]

anyone here ever met someone who does cybersecurity

[peak halo]

yes? why do you want a degree of separation?

[high silo]

wym degree of seperation

just asking because that job title is so rare

[peak halo]

you're asking if anyone knows someone who does cybersec
usually people ask "does anyone know cybersec?"

[near ocean]

Cybersecurity people are not that rare, its been getting increasingly popular the past couple years alongside AI/ML

[high silo]

im trying to get into that field after completing my hs i will go to uni just asking if that job is even alive
because its really rare
what are examples of stuff that people who do cybersecurity work on

[peak halo]

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that it's rare

[high silo]

lots of demand of building and manintaining software but not protecting

[peak halo]

I think it's a lot more common than you think

[fringe sphinx]

I believe that dentists are rare. I only know of one.

[high silo]

can you give me a example of what is needed like what they do to software in their job

[fringe sphinx]

FWIW, there's a #cybersecurity channel with ppl in the field

[high silo]

they told me to come to this channell

[fringe sphinx]

lol

[solid parcel]

You're right and wrong. Yes, there are way fewer cyber professionals than software engineers, but it's still a robust field that isn't going anywhere.

In terms of roles, people tend to discuss cyber in terms of red and blue. If you're on a red team, you're typically probing an environment for weaknesses. Orgs pay third parties to come in and try and break into their systems for example (pentesting) in order to identify vulnerabilities before they can be exploited.

On the flip side, blue teamers spend their time working to defend against attacks. That could be by implementing secure infrastructure, creating templates that other engineers at the organisation can consume, defining technical controls to align with business requirements (often regulatory), and much more besides.

^The above is a massive simplification and doesn't even scratch the surface of the variety of roles, but hopefully it gives you at least a little more understanding than you had before...

[high silo]

What about why do people choose software development then software engineering

[solid parcel]

Sorry, I'm not following the question. What distinction are you drawing between software development and software engineering?

[high silo]

so much people choose to do software development rather than software engineering

[solid parcel]

I don't know what you think is the distinction between those two things- can you elaborate on that?

[high silo]

software engineers do what developers do just more and do advanced software design etc

[ancient phoenix]

there also wasn't much activity in that channel from anyone in that field right now
(besides the topic of that channel doesn't really cover career discussions as far as i can see)

[high silo]

not just writing code and debugging like a developer so why do people choose developer role rather than engineering

[vast shoal]

In my experience there's basically no difference between the terms.

[smoky quest]

you mean like a technician level vs engineer level?

[high silo]

huge difference for me

[ancient phoenix]

i would say different companies just call it different things as well
most of the time there isn't a very clear line who does what or what one is compared to the other

[high silo]

wym

[vast shoal]

People like to call themselves SWE because it sounds more solid or advanced. But it's just marketing.