career-advice

[keen fern]

why u giving perm to all users?

to share ss and also why users have pic perm in "career=discussion" channel

and all users

[white relic]

users also have picture permissions in the off-topic channels, which you had to scroll past to get to this one

[keen fern]

i used tap on a random channel

[white relic]

ok, I think that answers the question.
In the future please read the channel names and descriptions before posting.

This channel is for career advice and discussion.

[keen fern]

fs man

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure what kind of project you're envisioning where it's 5 years before shipping product. That's not how modern software development works. Software engineering is a continual, iterative process, gated by milestones/etc. Team composition changes: Junior engineers are just as likely to leave as senior engineers, perhaps even more so.

This also happens at all skill levels. Many SWEs shift into other non programming jobs throughout their career, whether in management roles, sales, etc.

[stoic girder]

of course it won’t be 5 years before you send it - but contracts that entail consistent updates to new systems can last up to 5 years with one client

[fringe sphinx]

Over 5 years, one should expect a fair amount of engineer turnover, and that's OK.. Juniors and Seniors, alike. Arguably, the seniors would be less likely to move, imo.

[stoic girder]

your missing what i’m saying - if a contract is 5 years long, and the senior is nearing his retirement age, the company will chose someone who is unlikely to retire before the contract is over

[fringe sphinx]

That's a very fabricated situation. A 5 year contract in which I'm hiring a single person to work on it with an expectation they'd work on it for 5 years? Would never happen.

[stoic girder]

of course there’d be a team but if the role was a team leader - they’d be obliged to stay until the end. this is coming from my parents who both are within this field

[fringe sphinx]

There's a lot of 'ifs' in this fabricated situation. Regardless, I don't hire people with expectation of a long tenure. Junior engineers are just as likely to leave over 5 years.

Also, software engineers don't hit a mandatory retirement age.

There are other reasons one might prefer Junior engineers (cheaper, etc), but this scenario isn't one.

[dusk forge]

honest question for AI/ML devs: do you use LLMs most of the time when doing projects, and do you really have to learn the language when first starting out? cause I feel like you could just keep tweaking the code with Gemini, for example, until it executes properly

[fringe sphinx]

"keep tweaking the code with Gemini ... until it executes properly": This is the path to the dark side of poor code, poor design and misunderstood code.

The two problems are: part of understanding "properly" is understanding how the code works and what failure modes could occur. Often "properly" is hard to define.

[peak halo]

why are you limiting the scope of this to AI/ML devs?
I only use LLMs to write code that I could have written myself.

[fringe sphinx]

Second is - often AI will recommend / start down the wrong path... and keep doubling down on it. Occasionally I'll try to solve a problem with an LLM, and it'll often come up with the wrong approach.

[dusk forge]

cause I wanted to do that as a career

[fringe sphinx]

they're just saying: your question was for any programmer, not just AI/ML devs, I think.

[dusk forge]

but honestly it's like trying to jam a circle into a rectangular hole - it just seems impossible to understand anything I guess

[dusk forge]

yes

[peak halo]

there's no easy path to careers in AI/ML, so you can't let learning python be the stumbling block for you

[dusk forge]

looks like I'm screwed then ha

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to be physically strong, would you - a. go the gym and lift progressively heavier weights, or b. ask a friend to go to the gym for you?

[peak halo]

||c. steroids||

[fringe sphinx]

Speaking of, it's deadlift day.

[peak halo]

you shouldn't have such a defeatist attitude.

[dusk forge]

honestly this is my last option for this year- I've tried everything else so now it's time for ||Adderall|| 👍

[dusk forge]

dude I've tried for 5 years and only to fall short of remembering how to do a for loop.

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to learn to program, join #python-discussion and engage in the conversations. You'll learn, and we'll help you.

But, put down GPT

You have to understand the basics to do the harder stuff. And that takes experience... doing small projects and building up your experience.

vibe coding as a beginner = failure to get good, imo.

[dusk forge]

I still want to learn but realistically it's probably too late cause of competition - this won't stop me from trying though.

I mean I'm already in a software dev class so might as well right

[fringe sphinx]

competition? too late? You're worried about the wrong stuff.

Getting a job isn't about being the smartest or most "expert". There's many traits of a hirable engineer.

Just get good, and enjoy it.

[dusk forge]

I'm gonna trust you're right cause I'm #2 in ranked overthinking

also I appreciate the advice 🙏

[fringe sphinx]

The overthinking is very good for learning programming tho... ask "why" a lot and you'll learn quick

[vocal lintel]

Guys

[fringe sphinx]

Do you have a question?

[vocal lintel]

Yes

Idk how to code

[fringe sphinx]

Ah, ask for help in #python-discussion that's a good channel for beginners

[dusk forge]

real

[vapid jay]

Oh I see. What people around me have said is just to do Btech in CS and then an BBA MBA integrated course. So I believe it's just that they couldn't really adapt to new technologies. I'm fairly confident that I can.

[fringe sphinx]

There are also cultural and societal differences. In some places, it's expected to move into management at a certain level of seniority.

It's not for lack of technical ability.

[vapid jay]

Ah, I understand now...
Also, what do SWE do actually? I'm pretty sure they don't just write code all the time right

[deft herald]

Writing code like like...20% maybe of the job haha

[vapid jay]

Seriously???

[deft herald]

There's lots of meetings; lots of planning of features. Lots of debugging and running and writing tests

[vapid jay]

I had this image of SWE's just sitting on a desk all day... Damm...

[deft herald]

Not to mention all of the CI/CD you have to go through to even get your changes picked up

[vapid jay]

Wild

[deft herald]

I mean they do sit at a desk all day. Sometimes there are meetings in person but at least for my case, those meetings are all with team members at other locations anyways so it's still 1/2 virtual

[vapid jay]

Sounds bout right I guess
And what's the view of Indian degrees abroad?

[deft herald]

I'm in the US. I personally work with a lot of folks from India. Many of them have Master's degrees from US though

[vapid jay]

Hmm I'll need to see a bit bout that. But eh that can be done later after bachelors
Well this day has been fruitful
Thank you Meltz, BillyBobby and Wibber.

[robust merlin]

Anyone here completed their data science masters in Europe? I have a few questions

[peak halo]

you can just ask the questions, and people who know how to answer them might read and answer them when they visit the channel.

[vapid jay]

All hail pope Stelercus 🛐

[robust merlin]

Sure, thanks.

• I just wanna know how job opportunities are for international students for upcoming 2026 intake.
• Visa situation post study

[vapid jay]

Pope Stelercus. Do u mind preaching us our lord and saviour... Python...?

[ashen vortex]

hey is anyone online
oi had a query

i*

[wraith harbor]

Ask and if someone knows the answer they may respond when they see your message

[ashen vortex]

the thing is
i was writing the bio of my github and i was wrting that i am studying at mit ocw(opencourseware)
will it be fine
or people are dumb enough to think that i am from mit

@wraith harbor

[proud glacier]

I would write something like "I'm studying using online courses from MIT", if I'm going to mention it at all
saying that you're studying at MIT OCW sounds kind of wrong

[wraith harbor]

Unfortunately I don't think MIT OCW is something really worth putting on your bio

[ashen vortex]

so what do i mention

[proud glacier]

talk about other things. projects you're working on, etc.

[ashen vortex]

currently
i am starting to learn

[wraith harbor]

If you're new, you have a long time until you will actually be able to get hired so you don't really need to worry about your GitHub too much

[ashen vortex]

how do i make my github bio any advice should be great

[wraith harbor]

It should ultimately show your projects which should demonstrate your skills and knowledge

[ashen vortex]

u do a job?

@wraith harbor ?

[wraith harbor]

Yeah I work at a startup

[ashen vortex]

what do you do
was it hard to land a job

[wraith harbor]

I'm a software developer. Yeah it was really hard, especially my first job. Second one was a lot easier, and nowadays recruiters dm me randomly so it keeps getting easier. And if you don't have a degree it's gonna be way way harder to get your first job

[ashen vortex]

do you have a degree and what tech stack do u use
i am actually in college(in my country it is equivalent to high school)
and do will enroll in a university program

[digital siren]

People ask project for the experience and it's hard how to do it from scratch

[ashen vortex]

hmm

@wraith harbor ?

[wraith harbor]

Yeah I have degree in comp sci. If you go to university and keep grinding projects on your own you'll be ahead of a lot of people when you graduate

[ashen vortex]

may i ask where u graduated from

[wraith harbor]

I'll say it was America

[ashen vortex]

where u from

[wraith harbor]

They want to see projects that demonstrate you have skills and can learn things. Just make projects that go deep in areas that interest you

[ashen vortex]

what is your tech stack

[wraith harbor]

Swift and Python basically. I make a mobile app and also the backend for it

[ashen vortex]

well
is job market still unstable?

@wraith harbor

[wraith harbor]

I've heard it's bad idk it's hard for me to say

[ashen vortex]

how did u start learning python

[regal axle]

Very much so, yes. Some jobs are hiring. It is hard to get through to them though.

Best advice I can give you (regardless of CS or anything else): really work on your connections. Work on meeting people and building a group of people to call upon. Let others get jobs and then have them be a reference for you. In person knowing of others is one of the most important things you can do right now.
"It isn't about what you know, it is about who you know." Something more true now compared to any time in the past.

[regal axle]

I personally just started by watching youtube videos. And then making random things. Making things is a "shortcut" to actually learning

[ashen vortex]

are online connections better or physical

[meager mesa]

hi everyone

[ashen vortex]

hi

[meager mesa]

I just got a quick question I'm doing automation bots with playwright but I dont know which career I'm going I'm just doing bots 😄

[ashen vortex]

no idea broski

[regal axle]

Physical connections are deeper and more meaningful. But online connections are still valid. I would try to prioritize physical connections

[digital siren]

@wraith harbor I just like coding not anything spl but I admire at hacker and game developer and like to contribute to open source participate in completion and making flex on my skill but I went for c and c++ course then start python class for few weeks just till before data structure list and other now I feel my self lost what to do

[vapid jay]

How to get hired at waymo no degree just swe skills

[near ocean]

You don't

[deft herald]

They have 1 (one) position open under SWE with Early Career exp level.

however it doesn't actually say anything about requiring a degree
https://careers.withwaymo.com/jobs/machine-learning-engineer-ai-foundations-oxford-england-united-kingdom-london

[pine sleet]

prove to them how you're a better fit than someone with a degree and swe skills

[vapid jay]

Wow thanks melt and robin

[vapid jay]

Through my resume? What can i write that shows that

What if i wanna get hired at rivian or lucid motors?

[tepid maple]

I’m just getting started. I was using VS Code to program, but I’ve seen a lot of people recommending Jupyter. Which one is better?

[fringe sphinx]

Jupyter is very specific to certain jobs and functions. VScode is where you should focus.

You can open/edit notebooks in vscode, which is what I do most times.

(I only use Jupyter when I have to)

[tepid maple]

So I’m trying to understand the concept of Jupyter, but VS Code also seems more user-friendly as an IDE.

What type of applications is it most commonly used for? It’s hard to find content that really explains its concept well

[peak halo]

It seems like you're confusing notebooks and regular py files

Do you understand regular py files?

[tepid maple]

Honestly, I’m just getting started. I’ve taken some basic Python courses but nothing in depth. I’d also like some tips on what kind of project would be interesting to start with, where I can apply several important concepts, study, and learn while dedicating myself to building it. I’m the type who learns best by applying things hands-on.

[proud glacier]

To begin with you can just focus on normal Python files unless the resource you're using specifically uses Jupyter

[tepid maple]

What’s an interesting project I could work on while still learning the basics?

[fringe sphinx]

calculator? snake game?

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[pine sleet]

Brainstorm what advantages you actually have first

[vital holly]

is the uni of Nottingham good for computer science and also am v cautions about ai taking the job in 5 years time ish when I graduate

[peak halo]

are you thinking that if you get into a CS program that's better than Nottingham, your degree would be more AI-proof (because you'd be perceived as more hirable)?

[vital holly]

no just talking about cs in general

simply put we don’t know how ai will be in 5 years

[peak halo]

you are right. we might be approaching a local maximum of what can be achieved with ChatGPT-like capabilities. Or we might not

[vital holly]

yeah 💀 grads right now arent that cooked at all as theres always going to be a demand for senior staff

[fast fossil]

No joke, this is peak advice for those here that worry about the future and AI and wonder what to do, it's pretty much what has been mentioned here numerous times, but with a sprinkle of humour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FywncRD3d8

[vital holly]

not looking good tbh

[mighty spire]

Yeah it is a bit uncertain, but tbh when it comes to ia, you just hope it isnt going to reach super inteligence or smt and choose computer science because the other options get screwed as well and you liked it more

Like tbh, if ia can code like a human, mathematics and other cientific stuff is going to get reached, and then what i am going to do learn a trade

[vital holly]

yes you are right if cs is cooked then so is 90%

[neon marsh]

So, I have experience in langchain and langgraph. What other libraries or franeworks should i learn to build AI agents

[grave maple]

is this ammount of maths good for an AI degree? (taken from the school syllabus)

[small cloud]

bachelor or masters, for bachelor's it's pretty standard

[grave maple]

yeah it's bachelor, i only sent the maths part but there are obviously other stuff

[rain sandal]

🍫

[small cloud]

yes it's very good, especially the combinatorics class will be useful later on

[grave maple]

btw if i were to choose, which one should I pick out of those 4

[small cloud]

anything except number theory is good for AI

[grave maple]

well that give a bit of relief, i was reading stuff that people said about schools having an AI bachelor course being bad

[dense walrus]

Why do you say that?

[small cloud]

well i don't see how number theory is immediately applicable except if you need help with proofs based courses later on....

if it were real analysis or something i can see the use

[serene kite]

Hi, just wondering if I classify as a Senior Python Engineer or mid. Are there any metrics to such?

[small cloud]

not necessarily quailified to answer this per se, but i imagine senior devs in general write more idiomatic python code (and self documenting code), most of them have worked deeply with python tooling and know the ins and outs of the important python libraries and packages

[serene kite]

hmm okay.

[wraith harbor]

well your other option is quit and find a different career

[orchid yarrow]

hello guys

[old crane]

yoo everyone sup

[narrow prawn]

AI is NOT replacing me bro 🙏😭

I am NOT letting AI replace me

Lisan are you done typing bro

I'm just kidding dw ; )

AI just tells me what to do instead of fixing my code 😭

I lowkey want to get so good at arithmetic

that i run the python code i write on my head

I'd go like "My brain is a python interpeter"

[vital holly]

surley as time comes it would become better and cheaper same with most goods these days

[vital holly]

what’s stopping ai from replacing you in 5 years? companies will replace people if it means cutting costs/faster work done

if you are in a senior role you’re fine tbh there’s always a demand for those jobs

think in 5 years the num of entry jobs will become harder and barrier to entry is high.

[vestal bay]

yoo

[smoky quest]

that's true if you assume there is no more software to write in the world. However the world will keep on requiring more and more software.
So you can look at it as reducing the number of people to achieve the same scope, OR you could achieve a far bigger scope with the same amount of people with the help of AI. Obviously it will fall somewhere in the middle and depend on the market cycle, domain, etc.

[autumn quest]

yo

[jolly gust]

where do i ask simple questions

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion

[rare coral]

Guys did anyone follow along harvard cs50's course for ai? if so what do you think of it?

[fringe sphinx]

I skimmed the first few. I like it, it's good. It's foundational: it won't make you an expert, but it's a good first step

[vapid jay]

I am wondering because I'm struggling to find a job especially with how intense the job market is. I've decided to quit bickering about my life being hard and was curious to find out if anyone has a complex project that I can do that will give me a competitive advantage in Python? Does anyone know , especially those already in industry?

[near ocean]

Unfortunately if it was that easy everyone would have a competitive project on their cv and then nobody would be competitive

[vapid jay]

I see, so what can be done? I'm not the type to quit and sit in a corner doing nothing.

[near ocean]

Degree, interesting projects, internships is the usual way

[vapid jay]

I have a robotics engineering degree, internships haven't been that good either. So, there clearly is a problem with my skills.

[near ocean]

!kindling Thats great, then you should skip to the projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

Also, is Ai good at making interesting projects ideas?

[near ocean]

Try a handful from a bunch of disciplines
Usually the webdev ones are more accessible

[vapid jay]

in terms of generating ideas, not doing it for me. As that will make me suffer in the long-term.

[near ocean]

AI can only suggest things from existing content so its pretty much by definition a bland boring thing

[vapid jay]

I see, so i'll need to rely on my own creative thinking and build something new? Like a final year project (my uni only gave me 2-3 months to do that) except it has a more tangible impact rather than to get a good grade.

[near ocean]

You can start with building things that exist
But the interesting projects imho are the ones where they help you in some way

[sick glen]

Hello this is a wonderful day, anyone to talk to about programming?

[fast fossil]

What led you to send that message in this channel in particular? Did you read the channel title? Did you read the channel description? (I'd like answers to all of these questions, it's for a science project)

[sick glen]

I’m having trouble deciding what to do in life, I’m pretty passionate about programming especially with python but I will try out other languages, and I’m also passionate about using programming to the advantage of ethical hacking but right now I’m pretty unmotivated to do programming

Sorry about the long text

[wise vigil]

The number one thing i would say is complete a project you actually enjoy or think you need in life. I wouldn't suggest that you ask someone else for a project idea. Just think of something that you would want, doesn't matter how hard it is and try to do it.

I personally found it way more fun when the idea i was programming was actually worth my time and not something i would program and never use.

[sick glen]

1. What lead me to send a message here is because I want to connect with people here if I become a bigger programmer and then it’s good to have friends here and maybe some motivation.

2. Yes I’m aware of the channel title and description.

Matiiss have you been a programmer for long? And how do I start to step up from being a beginner and being stable at coding?

[deft herald]

And how do I start to step up from being a beginner and being stable at coding?
Lots of practice

[sick glen]

Where do I start? Are there any videos, classes online and what coding language?

[deft herald]

Whichever one you want. What are you currently a beginner in?

[sick glen]

I’ve only known about python

And Lua

[deft herald]

good place to start then
or rather...keep going

[wise vigil]

would you recommend leet code problems for beginners?

[deft herald]

Sure. Those give good practice on DS&A type stuff

[wise vigil]

i kind of have stood away from leet code since it gives me no motivation to do them , like a guess there important for job interviews but i rather just work on my own projects and hopefully will learn the data structures thorughout the process

[deft herald]

That's absolutely fine too, and is probably better experience overall tbh

[fringe sphinx]

I'd prefer codewars or exercism, being more general and better programming practice

[south summit]

hey anyone to talk to about this job market specifically a developer and maybe can give an advice?

[regal axle]

Ask your questions. People will get to it.
-# I’m busy for the next like 2 hours but might jump back on then

[south summit]

I just need an advice on what else I can do to increase my chances of getting a response because in 2 months after graduating for my comsci degree because I did graduate on a different country and im trying to get a dev job specifically in the US and it feels so deflating because the past two months applying I just keep gettin rejected not even getting a chance on a interview. I do have a dev job right now from the country I graduated from a junior software developer but my ultimate goal is to get one in the US and im worried ill never get one

Also in order to increase my chances I have two dev jobs junior sofwatre developer and also have contract developer job so it does feel quite deflating on how much I been putting effort but im not getting any responses in the us job market

[vital ore]

wazzup

[woven crest]

and practicing

[wraith harbor]

feel free to post an anonymized version of your resume here and people can give you some pointers

[sick glen]

Wazzup

[regal axle]

Well 2 months would be a long time a few years ago. But right now,,,, it is rough out there. Not a ton of companies are hiring. And the few that are, are being spammed with too many applications. I am surprised that you are getting rejections instead of just ghostting. I would take a look at your resume. Make sure it looks good and check that you are applying to the correct level of job.

But in short, yes, the job market here in the US is very rough. And hiring people from out of country is ... complicated right now. The timing isn't great. It will get better. But you want results now. And there isn't much anyone can do about that right now.

You can get a job in the US. Just don't expect it to happen within a short time. It can take a year. Or even 2. It shouldn't take that long. But it could. Maybe you might be better off waiting out the economic situation and wait for higher rates of employment. Idk enough about your situation to give actual advice though. GL

[vapid violet]

Hello, I got some advice a while ago to use better action words (thanks damian) which I believe I have done. I also got slightly conflicting advice about whether or not I should put my work experience that is not related to tech. With the work experience my resume is no longer than 1 page, what should I cut? Am I using a good amount of technical words to convey my skills? My goal is a summer internship.

[ornate mauve]

Hello everyone, i'm new here
I'm a software developer and also a computer science student in uni

[weary knot]

So I'm currently 16, wanting to have a career in cybersecurity and currently have a plan that I hope sounds good and want feedback on.

Current plan is to get certifications to be qualified as (I'm assuming here, I'm not entirely sure) purple team, offensive & defensive. Starting from certifications for complete beginners all the way to senior or junior, so I can be qualified for multiple fields or even just 1 so but still knowing how to do other things. And get a job and eventually work up to a point that my employer will pay for me to go a specific school for cybersecurity so I can advance in my knowledge and qualifications, I looked at SANS institute while researching all this which there courses are heavily expensive and really just a dream to be able to do it as most likely won't be able to but just a hope/dream.
Its not entirely worked out, started doing more researching into it around 2 days ago but just wanna learn a path to follow to help setup goals and whatnot.

[sullen bronze]

https://github.com/Daweidie/Virex

[tropic bobcat]

!docs logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler

[inner wren]

logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler

class logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler(filename, when='h', interval=1, backupCount=0, encoding=None, delay=False, utc=False, atTime=None, errors=None)```
Returns a new instance of the [`TimedRotatingFileHandler`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/logging.handlers.html#logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler) class. The specified file is opened and used as the stream for logging. On rotating it also sets the filename suffix. Rotating happens based on the product of *when* and *interval*.

You can use the *when* to specify the type of *interval*. The list of possible values is below. Note that they are not case sensitive...

[orchid yarrow]

hello guys

i want to be an astrophysicist when i grow up

[dry wagon]

Hello im trying to get into this field again but Im bad at math. Any resources ?

[hollow cove]

job job job job job

[fringe sphinx]

Start here: #python-discussion message

[scenic glade]

My honest reaction when I can't land a god damn job despite having like idk decade of experience

[true harness]

🤨

[dark arrow]

!warn 1389224750747746377 that is not an appropriate gif for this server

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @scenic glade.

[vapid jay]

HE HAS THE SAME THING THAT HACKED ME

IM NOT ALONE

Ho guys

[versed pawn]

Hello guys I started learning automation specifically with AI and I'm thinking of learning python first since it's the language AI and automation are mostly built on do you think that would be helpful or not that much?

[vapid jay]

Guys which language will be best for future generation

[peak halo]

No one knows the future. Python seems to have only grown in popularity over time.

[vapid jay]

No bro

[peak halo]

Knowing Python is necessary, but not sufficient, for careers in AI.

[vapid jay]

Im saying bro which language will b best for ai future time

[peak halo]

Nobody knows the future. Generative language models like ChatGPT are less able to produce correct code for languages that are less-frequently used.

[fast fossil]

Ah, for "ai future time" specifically, English seems like a great contender, it's a bit ambiguous though
The truth is, you can't know the future, just pick one language you like right now and learn it

[vapid jay]

Hi guys! I'm new here. Studying python for my exams. How is everyone?

[vapid jay]

Bro computer language

[fast fossil]

Python, learn Python

[vapid jay]

Ok bro but which carrier will be best gaming website or app aor anything else

[versed pawn]

Yes of course I know I just started to learn automation but noticed that i just memorize some steps but I don't know how it actually works so I wanted to learn the base of it to actually understand what I'm doing and i wanted to make sure that I'm heading in the right direction

[fast fossil]

I don't understand what you're asking

[vapid jay]

B4o which carrie will be best game making website making app making or anything else

[peak halo]

don't try to ping everyone. you don't need 400 thousand people to answer your question.
there's probably going to be more jobs in web development than game development.

[vapid jay]

a

[peak halo]

looks like you're trying to run a bash command in python. perhaps you got stuck in a python console.

[vapid jay]

Sorry have no idea how to fix this

[peak halo]

ask in #python-discussion

[vapid jay]

Oh sorry this is career discussion sorry

Bro I want to learn python advance can anyone help m3 I only know block python and terminal and to comment or not just only this please help me 🙏

PleAse anyone

@split venture wt r u typing???

[split venture]

Hello everyone im a fresh Graduate in Computer engr, i just know python.. i know how to fix logics, data structures.. but not good with oop, im good with for loops and lists, dict.. I also worked with java, js, kotlin, godot, arduino, c, c++, c#, html, css, php... But i forgot them already, now my focus is python but i don't know what career fits me.. i have projects, 2 of them are quite big..
Can i ask which career will fit me, i know my skills right now are lacking, but I don't know what i should improve and im fine with studying other frameworks or languages, as long as it's required for the role.

Here are my.projects:

1. InventoProfit - Inventory with QR Scanner using Laptop/Desktop (Python)
   (2023)
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1A8vFrZRgG/

2. Remote Control Light Bulbs with Relays (with LCD and Automatic Operations)
   (Arduino C++) (2023)
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1B3rXyvHbH/

3. Memory Game in Console (C) (2020)
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16xb234aW7/

4. Simple Pacman Game (Specially Made for New Year) (GDevelop) (2021):
   itch.io https://danilo031717.itch.io/pacman
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14LC23BKQCk/

5. Snake and Ladders in Console (Python) (2022):
   itch.io https://danilo031717.itch.io/snake-and-ladders-console-py
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1GLWKBGyvX/

6. Multiple Small Programs (Java) (2022)
   InventoProfit - Inventory with QR Scanner using Laptop/Desktop (Python)
   (2023)
   watch on fb
   https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1D8kfzBfYQ/

7. Chess in CMD (Python) (Work in Progress)
   github
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15vUpnpj85/

8. Jet Shooter (Godot) (2024):
   itch.io https://danilo031717.itch.io/jet-shooter
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16qegzioZE/

9. Simple Pong Game (Godot) (2024):
   itch.io: https://danilo031717.itch.io/test
   watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17NUWXRHCY/

10. Identifying First Letters (Python)(2021)
    itch.io https://danilo031717.itch.io/identifying-first-letter
    watch on fb https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1A2ATbUiNf/

[vapid jay]

@split venture u know java python c++ can u help me to learn python advance

[split venture]

Just finished typing, im currently unemployed 😅 need some advice

[vapid jay]

Ooh bro can u help me in learning advance python please bro

[split venture]

Im not advance bro, im quite beginner too.. but u can use leetcode website to make ur Python skills improve

[vapid jay]

U know there language do SAT

Bro but please help m I dont know coding I only know block python and terminal and to comment or not justt

[split venture]

U first learn in w3schools bro.. u need to learn fundamental first, for loops, lists, dict.. while loop.. like these

[vapid jay]

Bro is CodeWithHarry nice channel to learn coding???

[peak halo]

w3schools is the worst website for learning python. every article is at least slightly wrong. and there are so many free websites that are better, there's no reason to settle.

[vapid jay]

@peak halo which is best to learn advance full complete python

[split venture]

Hello im also a beginner, can u advice me?

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[split venture]

This is my post

[vapid jay]

@split venture but u know better thn me

[icy pagoda]

looks very game themed but breaking into the game industry and being successful is probably fairly difficult

[vapid jay]

@icy pagoda bro should I choose gaming industry or website

[split venture]

Yes yrs ago i was aiming for game development, but i realized game dev needs good laptop, most them use unity.. my laptop can't handle it though, so i didn't continue pursuing it and planned to do python career instead, but i dunno which career fits me with just python

I'm really good with solving problems though

[vapid jay]

Bro im thoughting to buy a desktop under 40,000 Rs please best strong that can run code and gaming software like Unreal and unity

@split venture @icy pagoda advice me please

[split venture]

Bro im beginner too, still unemployed

[vapid jay]

Bro u graduated a university Bro im still a schoolboy

[fast fossil]

Then finish school, go to a university, study Computer Science and then see from there, you have plenty of time

[vapid jay]

@split venture wt u want to become

@fast fossil Bro im from india should I take SAT and after 12th directly to us or doing B.Tech and do ms in us

@split venture @fast fossil @icy pagoda

[fast fossil]

Can you stop panicking a little? Don't need to ping everyone, don't need to stress about anything right now, everything's fine

[vapid jay]

I want to become millioner in USA which should be best

[icy pagoda]

python is just a language, it's used for achieving other things (for example, like you did for games), web development, data science, automation etc

so a "python career" isn't really a thing, you need to look at usecases

[icy pagoda]

i'm not really sure but a 4-year bachelor's degree should open more opportunities

[bronze lodge]

Hello

I'm currently still under 15 and a while back I was wondering on what career I want to pursue a while back. My parents really want me to do much more money based job which is fair and I can agree.

I recently got into python for future persuing of an ml engineer I want to pursue in Ai as it is very in high demand and amuses me a lot

Though, a bit of a problem is that I always feel strange and a bad feeling if my codes like don't succeed this has also slightly shifted my focus from studies to this which could in future possibly affect them I am wondering on what to do tho

[vapid jay]

what makes open ai engineers so much better from the rest of the industry? and i mean the engiineers in the company?
what differentiates them?

[fringe sphinx]

Who says they're so much better?

Genuine question- lots of people claim to have the best or be the best. In reality, it's a race towards the middle for everyone

[vapid jay]

i assumed they were

[vapid jay]

becauase they wroking at open ai? might be another company. who was the most cracked enigneer you knew

[fringe sphinx]

Lots of companies have great engineers.

Your question might be: 'why is OpenAI apparently so far ahead of the competition? Is it because their engineers are better?'

[vapid jay]

no my concern is not open ai persay i just wanna know the top engineers wherever they are what seperates them from others i wanna improve thats all

[fringe sphinx]

My opinion is: great engineers start with a broad foundation, have learned from experience, and are constantly learning from diverse sources. Some might specialize. Some might generalize. Some might specialize for each job, but change specialties.

Other than that, every great engineer I've met is very different.

Many 'top' engineers are top because they're good with people and leading.

And/or communicating

I know this isn't directly helpful. I'd suggest watching PyCon and other conference videos to understand how diverse and interesting engineers are.

[teal jasper]

Guys what sup

How long did you guys take to learn coding

[pine sleet]

youll always be learning stuff

but you can get the basics down in a few weeks if you have no programming experience at all
new languages after that you can usually pick up in a day or two

[vapid jay]

Your projects are fire same here fresh graduate

[vapid jay]

Fallen you can literally do whatever you put your mind to you are a beast it's normal code not working at the start

[leaden glade]

Job market is bad ig

[fringe sphinx]

I think the project bullets could be a bit stronger/clearer. Hosted the project with systemd doesn't make much sense to me, but you could use the second bullet to talk about things like: deployment, testing, GitHub, etc. things you used and learned from. Second project: first bullet starts off ok, but then ends with 'for a problem': what problem? Etc

[vapid violet]

👍

What about what to remove? Are the certifications not worth much?

[fringe sphinx]

It's fine, but the excel cert is pointless to mention... or move it to last.

I'd love to see keywords like GitHub and testing/pytest in there,

Or aws/cloud

[vapid violet]

I have not done any testing or cloud yet.
Also why specifically the excel cert?

[fringe sphinx]

Excel is somewhat irrelevant to a coding job. Like, it's good to know but diminishes the other items

Just think 'order'. People read top to bottom, so put the good stuff first

[humble sage]

Guys is there any software engineer

[smoky quest]

I am sure they still exist

Do you have a question if there was any such person in the room with us right now?

[peak halo]

last time you asked "are there any greeks here", and I told you to just ask your actual question. this always applies.

[weary patrol]

Im asking to all computer science students is there good jobs like good payments and acceptable rights?

[pine sleet]

depends on where you work but yeah they exist

[vapid galleon]

Wondering if I could get some advice. I finished my bachelors degree in computer science in December and did not do any internships. I was focusing on my classes, also I had multiple summer classes that I was taking. I was not able to get any internships.

I have been looking for a job since December and have not had luck. It has been ghosting and rejections. I have also been working on some projects as well.

I did an interview recently for a company but it is an unpaid internship that is supposed to be 15 hr/week for 4 months. It’s supposed to be fullstack development and android development.

Would it be a good idea to do this even though I don’t get paid at all? Someone I know mentioned that they did it for a year and said that they learned a lot. That’s how I heard about it.

Would it be a bad idea to do it since I am not getting paid at all. Would it be better to get literally any other job and get an income while still applying to jobs? It would be something to get my foot in the door. Do I do the internship and also another job as well since it would just be 15hr/week? They also said they had weekly meetings on Wednesdays in the morning so I don’t know how that might work if I have another job at the same time.

[willow kestrel]

what are skills to have if envisioning for becoming an AI engineer? what are the prerequisites for entering the data science field?

[cunning grove]

hello

[remote yacht]

they make more money lol

[vast valley]

Pls help

[remote yacht]

nuh uh

[dry yoke]

hello

[lavish token]

Fr

[sturdy bronze]

Hey, Alex 👋

(Usual disclaimer: take this with a grain of salt. I'm a stranger on the internet that got his first programmer job 25 years ago, so my advice probably does not apply in this day and age.)

I am assuming you can more or less last the 4 months without income. The answer would be obviously other paying jobs, if you couldn't.

To me, that sounds like a worthwhile plan, even if you would need to depend on family for support. 4 months is not a long time and you wouldn't gain or save much money working any other job anyway. In your shoes, I would try the internship for several reasons:

1. It's a real job in the field you want to pursue. It will make getting your second job (or your 1.5th job) a lot easier.
2. Many companies have opportunities for full time hiring after the internship is over. I've seen people do things like "get 4 interns for a summer and offer a full time position to the best one". It sucks and does not speak well of the company, but it could work in your favor.
3. It's a half-time arrangement which means you can continue working on projects, applying for other positions or pursuing certificates.

I would consider the other option of "getting any other job to get income", only if I couldn't survive financially without it and only with a clear plan on how to keep working on getting a programmer job.

[fringe sphinx]

'AI engineer' and 'data science' are very broad topics ranging from software engineers who write AI/ML systems to PhD level data scientists. The prerequisites vary greatly. Generally, all skilled engineering and science jobs start with an bachelors degree and the deeper you want to go on the science side, a masters degree or even PhD become important'

[willow kestrel]

what is the roadmap for becoming an AI engineer? what tools to learn?

[rose belfry]

i also want to know

[alpine night]

Hello, I took the decision that i want to study computer science 2 years now. I think of focusing on ai engineering or cybersecurity ( I think im going for ai engineering) but to get into the university i need to have a strong application so except the good grades and the other stuff i want to create a portofolio with projects so i decided to learn python. The problem though is that I have a limited time. I'm going to need help with learning python and creating projects in the mean time. If someone has any tips or any guide on how to find the right resources and study right while in the mean time build a portofolio i would like to hear it . Right now im sticking with CS50 free course by harvard for python.

[fringe sphinx]

Are you in US? Don't want to give you bad advice.

In US; projects and learning coding are not very important to a college application. Challenging courses, good grades, and extracurricular activities (like FIRST robotics competitions) are the most essential parts of a college application.

Learn coding because you want to, and because it interests you, but the portfolio is not something college admissions will review

[south summit]

hey a question to people currently I have been applying for a job in us job market but I currently live in anther country although I am a valid US citizen I could go back to the us if I wanted to but would it even make a difference to my application if im applying while in the us or not because I do have my address as in the US, so basically I thought maybe until I dont get accepted by a us company I wont go back to the US would that be fine or does that somehow affect how no companies reply to me right now

[fringe sphinx]

For -me- at a small company, I do look at the resume to see if they have ties to the area I'm hiring in. I don't want people to relocate or travel far, even if we're mostly remote.

Larger companies might look at your current location and filter out people in other countries, as a first filter.

You generally want employers to know/think that you're easy to hire, local and ready to start.

[grizzled swift]

how is my django project ( :
name is codechest
It has a different purpose than GitHub.
https://flag-issued-leonard-extension.trycloudflare.com/home

[tacit pewter]

@steel tide

[alpine night]

Im in EU

[molten elm]

is python still worth it?:

[eager token]

Yeahh. Fs 👌🤤

[peak halo]

Python, as opposed to what?

[zinc stone]

Is being unverified on linkedin ok? like will I still get job opportunities?

Thing is i cant verify on it due to having no passport.

[marsh flax]

im thinking to choose ml cuz im quite good at maths

[regal axle]

Depends on the role. But the roles I apply for (software engineer) don’t actually care about LinkedIn. They just ask for it. And sometimes they don’t even bother. Anyone I’ve talked to about hiring; they might look at the LinkedIn after deciding to go forward with interview.

Anyways, probably doesn’t matter.

[smoky quest]

I haven't seen anyone caring the slightest about it

[orchid plume]

Hi all 👋 I’m working through Angela Yu’s 100 Days of Code and aiming to pivot into tech. I’m looking for a role with good work-life balance, financial growth, and a mix of calm stretches + “fire drill” moments where I can shine under pressure. Right now I’m torn between Cloud Engineering, Cybersecurity, or DevOps/SRE. For folks in these fields — what does your day-to-day actually look like, and do these sound like the right lanes for someone coming from a Python-heavy start?

[smoky quest]

Imperative paradigms are ill suited for devops (among other areas). Declarative will usually be simpler and easier to manage and maintain.
What usually happens is you will find a declarative tool with escape hatches for imperative (ex: python) since it's still the main way to describe algorithms

though this is more about #tools-and-devops than #career-advice

[tame bobcat]

any advice to step up in python ( i want to more "employable" )

[peak halo]

What are the most employable attributes that you currently have?

[tame bobcat]

i am an intern as a programer analyst but unfortunately i dont have any training + i did a master degree in finance with CS as an "option" so i am not really good at python just got basis but not strong one so now i want strong one
Honestly, currently without AI i cant do anything and i dont want to depend of that

when i say training i mean my senior is not giving me any lead

[peak halo]

If you can't do anything in python without AI,you have zero python skill from an employability standpoint, so focus on learning python without it

[tame bobcat]

so what do you recommend ?

[peak halo]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vapid jay]

Out of curiosity, if one wanted to work their way into programming for the sake of science and medicine, and pushing current advancements into untraveled dorms, how would one take steps into accomplishing that?

[peak halo]

Getting a PhD in the area where they want to push the knowledge frontier.

[vapid jay]

I can't get a PhD, I'd need to take a loan and that is something I'm unable to do, as of now. However, I want to work and go to univeristy and fund it myself.

As of now, would you be aware of any steps I could be taking? I'm tired of the same old projects, I want a project that benefits society.

[smoky quest]

You have to pick the problem to solve first. In terms of career, a relevant degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

In terms of projects, there are many problems worth solving related to science and medicine that don't even involve knowledge of biology or chemistry (and some, do). So you will have to do your own research to establish what you vibe with and what you want to focus on

[peak halo]

Develop enough understanding of your interest area that you can understand recent academic papers about that topic, and come up with ideas that people aren't currently exploring

[vapid jay]

Jobs in such a sector would be niche, no?

[smoky quest]

no

[peak halo]

If you want to "push current advancements into untravelled dorms [sic]", you'll be blazing a trail in one sense or another.

[vapid jay]

I wanna make it the next big thing, the next big push and leap in current advancements.

[fringe sphinx]

In order to do that usually requires having a solid foundation.

[vapid jay]

In..

[peak halo]

The area of that kind of next big thing

All the current big things in AI are relatively easily traced back to this paper: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need

Maybe that will give you some inspiration

[vapid jay]

Thank you, Stelercus. I just need a job first before my parents kick me out.

I wanted to integrate AI with something medicine related, bad idea?

[smoky quest]

there is already tons of AI in medecine

so sounds like it's already a good start

[vapid jay]

But we shouldn’t be too reliant?

[smoky quest]

because?

If it is useful and provide value, it will be used
If it isn't useful or does not provide value, then people won't use it

[vapid jay]

i think i’m overthinking it

it’s just i’d rather for example a human perform anything on me than a machine, like some don’t trust machines, and would much rather a human reach a conclusion than a machine

[smoky quest]

It's not like there is a choice

And it's not like in the movies where there is an over-arching AI that will try to kill you.
There are processes and standards in place

So concretely, think about it like when doing xrays, doctors will have their results annotated with suspicious areas they can then follow up on, rather than nothing. So it's more difficult to miss anything, make up for shortcomings of some doctors and it's part of a process.
Furthermore, any system added will have to demonstrate its value before being added. All these systems cost money and hospitals won't just buy random stuff and do whatever with all the data

And all of these changes will require a heavy documentation and follow compliance processes

[sharp patio]

Hello

I am in my 20s and am pursuing an online degree in Data Science and Programming. I think the nature of the job market in my region is as such that late bloomers such as myself wouldn't really be competitive for the relevant jobs and it doesn't help much that the current market is not really that spectacular.

I am not really trying to let that pigeonhole myself and not learn the relevant skills necessary but it's just that I am really worried about the feasibility of scaling an economy out for myself through this route in a long run.

[vapid jay]

what’s your current region?

[sharp patio]

India

[empty sierra]

quite same condition

[vapid jay]

I want to learn coding can anyone tell where to start

[empty sierra]

which language

[vapid jay]

Any language

I am beginner

[empty sierra]

What do you like most about coding? I am a kind of beginner too but have an overview

[smoky quest]

sounds like a question for #python-discussion

[unique widget]

CAN COMPENG MAJOR WORK AT CYBER
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[dusk flume]

Made this mistake with Python (it's a nice language I just have little use for it)

Learn what you'll most definitely need. Time has been and is everything so don't waste it learning something you won't need.

Explore various fields and filter which one's you'd like to venture into.

[random mica]

well would you guide me as well i am new and trying to learn programming

[swift turtle]

Hello guys, I am new to learning programming and would like to ask if python is comparable to java script for web development. I've been hearing a lot that I should learn java script if I want to have web development as a niche. But I have already started learning html and python as my main language to learn as a goal.

I would also love to have any project ideas that I could work on once I am knowledgable enough. Maybe some that has python and html working together haha thanks.

[peak halo]

do you understand the difference between server side (backend) and client side (frontend)?
javascript is overwhelmingly the main language for client side code.

[swift turtle]

yeaa I'm aware of that. But does python also work around it like java does or is it entirely different.

I was kinda hoping that it has the same workings 🥲

java seems overwhelming to learn after starting with python

[peak halo]

For your awareness, there's no special relationship between Java and JavaScript.

You can use python for server side code. There's also a way to run client side python code with pyscript, but I'm not sure how well supported that is

Java effectively requires you to adopt a certain approach to object oriented programming. A lot of python natives think that approach is misguided

[swift turtle]

Yea thats what I heard too ngl, so I guess you could also suggest switching to javascript too for web development. 😅

[swift turtle]

oh, I'm barely knowledgeable in object oriented programming

but I guess I understand what you mean with that certain approach and from what ive also read online. Haha, thanks for answering my question

[near ocean]

Java doesn't really work around it either
It can serve html just like python can

[frail mirage]

Hello, I’m a high school student graduating this year I’ve taken a computer science course that was strictly Java based I’m not an expert at it yet lol however for a career i want to go into artificial intelligence engineering I’m also interested in cybersecurity

[fringe sphinx]

Welcome! Take your time and be curious: don't try to 'optimize' your path at this stage. Try different things, like making a game or a web app. Join #python-discussion

[silent scaffold]

I wanna be rich

[peak halo]

Hello, what are you hoping people will do with this information?

[kindred oyster]

@west fractal how many semesters you have left in your degree ?

[west fractal]

4

[kindred oyster]

so thats 2 more years
have you done a survey of average salary package for a fresher from your college / uni ? is that satisfactory for you ?

do you know what it takes to do masters in your country ? are you able to get admission in top colleges of your country for masters ??

because , honestly in my opinion , doing masters is worth it if you have genuine interest in studying more or you want to do research on specific area
While it is true that doing masters , you will be viewed a little differently , but i am not aware of any jobs that specifically require having a masters degree at least in software. so it wont be uncommon for you to be overqualified for fresher positions. Where i am from , the students who did masters get very little increment over the btech people on average unless you get into a good company.

and imo PHD is for people who really are interested in deep research
also , the positions that need those kinds of people are usually like "senior" positions which also need some sort of expereince (afaik, im not much educated in work after PHD)

[smoky quest]

masters in software can be impactful in more advanced fields such as program analysis or optimization. But yeah, for your run of the mill frontend engineer, it wouldn't matter. Don't get a masters to compete with other bsc.
It can also become relevant later down the road in your career. For instance, it wouldn't be unheard of to be required to have a masters or phd for director+ positions

While the USA is not that strict in terms of degree, to be aware that other countries might not be so loose and not having a masters or phd will put a ceiling on your career.

Another area where it's valued is for immigration as it can give access to different visas or quots

[zealous bobcat]

Turk var mı ve bdfdden anlayan

[peak halo]

!rule english

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[zealous bobcat]

Sorry

Is there anyone in Turkey who understands BDFD?

[silent scaffold]

Im a cashier

[peak halo]

And? Are you looking for advice for how to start a career in programming?

[silent scaffold]

Yes

Nobody likes me 😭

[orchid plume]

I think I know what one of my capstone projects will be for my professional portfolio when I get confident enough to do it. Is it a Flappy Bird clone? Yes. Will it be a political parody that's been done before? Yes. But will I make it from scratch and grow it as I acquire more skills (SQL, Docker, Git, Flask, Django, etc.)? Also yes, and that is what prospective employers will care about.

[regal axle]

Your conclusion is correct. I just don’t know that you can use all those skills in a flappy bird clone …

[orchid plume]

I mean, it's just one program for the portfolio. If I need more programs to use the rest of the skills, I'll definitely do it (and should do so, 1 program does not a portfolio make). I figured I could make a tiny DevOps environment where I could push updates to the game as I grow it (global leaderboards, animated intros, etc). Then keep tight records, changelogs, etc. to show that I know something about automation and DevOps.

[wraith harbor]

are you able to go to university to get a comp sci degree?

[silent scaffold]

No

[pine sleet]

what options have you researched?

[silent scaffold]

Nothing

[pine sleet]

so how are you sure that you can't get a CS degree?

[wraith harbor]

!res its a difficult path, start with a foundation of the basics and then from there work on projects. its really hard to break into the industry without a degree. the resources here are pretty good for the basics

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[silent scaffold]

I have a degree in software engineerjng

[wraith harbor]

oh? i thought you were saying you couldnt get one

so what are you asking? are you applying and not getting interviews?

[fringe sphinx]

Pro tip: include GitHub, CI, testing, release to pypi, as part of this. Show an understanding of more than just the coding task

[west fractal]

Will I be able to build better things if I get PhD?

like I might be having entire knowledge of computer science after that

[west fractal]

Should I go for PhD?

[fringe sphinx]

A PhD is a narrow specialty in a very specific subject

[west fractal]

So they are not Jack of all trades?

[fringe sphinx]

No. You should study what a PhD is and how to become one, it's not what you think

[west fractal]

which degree is Jack of all trades?

Till masters?

[fringe sphinx]

There is no 'jack of all trades' degree

[west fractal]

I mean till which degree we get entire knowledge of computer science

Of every sub field since you told PhD is a niche so that's already ruled out

[fringe sphinx]

A bachelors in the first step. A masters is a second step. A PhD is a third step.

There's no jack of all trades. Every degree has tradeoffs

Even in a bachelors degree, different students choose different courses

[strong lava]

think of it as a funnel

the higher degree you get, the more you narrow down into a specific field/subject

[vapid violet]

I am thinking about putting my work experience below my projects on my resume. As it is a grocery store job and less relevant than my projects. Are there any major objections to this?

[fringe sphinx]

Agree. If the experience is not relevant, lower it and maybe dont add bullets for each.

[smoky quest]

phd is not about building things

[smoky quest]

there is so much knowledge that an entire lifetime would not be enough

[shadow mountain]

I' night have to bring up an issue

[smoky quest]

nope, no objections

[vapid violet]

👍 .

[neon marsh]

Hi guys, which AI frameworks do you use and why

[smoky quest]

and?

[kindred oyster]

Only you can answer that , other people can't. By doing PhD you will gain very deep knowledge about a specific area in cs of ur choosing.

Don't do PhD if u think it will double your salary magically, it won't

[vapid jay]

computer science.

[tidal vale]

Hello. What are the benefits and side effects of pursuing MTech in CS? I am currently studying BTech (2nd year)

[smoky quest]

comparing to what?
Side effect might include income and job

[tidal vale]

Compared to people with just btech degree in the industry where i will have btech+mtech degrees

[smoky quest]

!rule 5

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[odd sorrel]

Damn im sorry

[smoky quest]

no worries, I have reported you to discord already

[smoky quest]

I am not too familiar with the Indian market so take it with a grain of salt.
You may want to scroll up to #career-advice message

[tidal vale]

Thanks

[indigo tinsel]

anyone help me in https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1411993417805725696 i need help

any ideas will be considered

[west fractal]

Why will it not double my salary if I have more knowledge in a field than others?

[west fractal]

You said that PhD provides a lot of knowledge then how will it not help in building things?

[kindred oyster]

because thats just not how it works 🤷

[smoky quest]

phd is about research, not building things.
If you care about building, I would stop at masters

[smoky quest]

people are paid for results, not effort.
And then there is supply and demand in the market

[west fractal]

I don't understand how having an expertise in one field by PhD will not help in building great products

[kindred oyster]

there needs to be a job for you to do

[smoky quest]

how do you think it would help?

[west fractal]

More knowledge ---> Great product?

[kindred oyster]

depends on the product
at least in CS , i dont think what you are saying is 100% true

i could argue that someone who did undergrad and worked for half a decade, willl be a lot more useful to a company than a PHD holder who has 0 work experience

if you need to make impact on products , you need to get senior level positions in company , and those dont just come by for freshers

along with your higher education , some work experience is also needed

the only thing i can say for sure is , dont do PHD with the hopes of getting double triple the salary. do it if you have genuine interest in research

[smoky quest]

a phd is about knowing the best a tiny slice of the universe, not knowing how to build products

[fast fossil]

PhDs typically have very deep knowledge regarding their specific niche of research, they're experts in that field, but it's so narrow the vast vast majority of people don't even know it exists, and at that point you're not really broadening your knowledge as much, whereas for a product you'd want an all-round knowledge of various thingies

[west fractal]

I know some people who became director and CTO right after PhD without any experience

In Nvidia

[west fractal]

Ohh so you mean in PhD we spend time on very tiny field while for building products you need to have diverse knowledge in multiple fields?

[smoky quest]

these are different set of skills

[west fractal]

Oooo I see, so like if I pursue PhD in AI then is it better or should I learn multiple things like AI , cloud , backend to be able to build great AI products?

[fast fossil]

you should do a PhD in "AI" only if you want to research some highly specific aspect of "AI" super deeply, it will not help and potentially even hinder your progress if your goal is to make some sort of "AI" product

[kindred oyster]

i highly doubt that

big companies either usually promote their senior most tech leads or hire a CTO who has enough experience under their belt

no company as big as nvidia will hire a CTO right out of college

and from a quick linkedin search , the current CTO of nvidia , Micheal Kegan , worked 15 years at intel starting as just a simple Design engineer, then he switched to another company where he served for about 22 years (so 37 years in total)

and after all that , he go to be the CTO at nvidia

and for being a CTO of nvidia , he only has a BSC 😂 @west fractal , not even a masters

[west fractal]

Why I can't make AI product after doing PhD from a top college like Harvard? I have seen people getting really good job opportunities after pursuing PhD from top colleges

[kindred oyster]

just cramming more knowledge into your brain doesnt necessarily make you good for a company

[wraith harbor]

I think AI in particular is such a specialized and academic field that an advanced degree would be particularly helpful compared to like web dev or something

[west fractal]

I can tell you 100 directors at big tech including Nvidia that got director position right after PhD without experience

[kindred oyster]

can you name a few ?

[wraith harbor]

PhD takes a long time and costs a lot of money(in terms of opportunity cost) though. Idk if you can do it if you don't love academia

[west fractal]

See on LinkedIn

Most of them are Chinese

[west fractal]

You get paid while doing PhD, who told you it costs money?

[kindred oyster]

i did

i litearlly just showed you that nvidia cto is a mere undergrad degree holder , he didnt even do his masters

thats a fact https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikagan/

[west fractal]

I repeat there are many directors in these companies who got that position right after PhD

[wraith harbor]

I meant in opportunity costs, like you can get a bachelor's and start making 6 figures and get industry experience, or you can go the academic route get paid a lot less and not gain industry experience. I'm just saying its not as black and white as you might think

[west fractal]

I have seen them

[kindred oyster]

a company has only a few directors of different departments

you are doing a PHD in tech department , which qualifies you for being a CTO , and i just showed you that PHD freshers arent being hired as CTO for big companies

you are saying there are but you are unable to name even one

real world experience is valued heavily when you are going to work as a captain of the entire tech department for billion dollar companies

forget CTO , even being a senior engineer / tech lead right as a fresher is hard , there are openings that require you to have work experience just to be considered for the position

[fast fossil]

There are a couple shortcuts of course... like nepotism

[smoky quest]

I seriously doubt it

[west fractal]

Go check linkedin guys

[smoky quest]

I have

[fast fossil]

Can you just give us a couple names? Also LinkedIn? Anyone can be anything there pretty much

[fast fossil]

ah notably, "top colleges" means great networking opportunities, so I think that might be playing a much bigger role than the PhD alone

[shadow mountain]

who ping

[fringe sphinx]

My friend, if you want get a PhD get a PhD. If you don't, don't. What's the question here?

Yes, a PhD with a relevant research area is a one way to land certain types of jobs.

[west fractal]

PhD can open doors for a very high paying jobs which bachelors can't.

Suppose if I get PhD in US then I'll have far better job opportunities because of the education I got there in comparison to if I go to job market after pursuing my bachelors from not very good college in Europe.

This is the point!!

[fringe sphinx]

People with bachelors degrees get jobs. People with masters degrees get jobs. People with phds get jobs.

[fringe sphinx]

There are certain types of jobs where a PhD is important, yes. But there are paths to high paying jobs without a PhD. You don't need a PhD to be successful and well paid.

[west fractal]

I don't think I'll ever get a job in US high paying company if I graduate from a bad college in Europe with a bachelors degree

I'll have to pursue masters or Phd from a top college in US to get that job otherwise it will take decades to reach there

[fast fossil]

bad college? what is that supposed to mean? a Bachelor's degree is a Bachelor's degree, as long as it's an accredited university, it has the same weight as a Bachelor's degree from most other universities (not counting the very few top ones)

[fringe sphinx]

That's a very specific question, and yes: getting a US graduate degree is a helpful way to land a US job for several reasons. One is that you can study under a student visa and work under an visa ("OPT") for a few years past graduation. So yes, going to US for a masters is one path to a US based job.

[kindred oyster]

Not to sound rude but you seem to have a certain rigid mindset and are not willing to listen to other people. You are only trying to listen to what reinforces your existing flawed beliefs.

[hallow pebble]

hey members can anyone have experience in python about 2 to 3 years i need to clear things about my carrier in python

[fast fossil]

Just ask away, you don't have to wait to ask your question, if someone's gonna be free to answer it, they will, now or later, communication online is typically rather asynchronous, so waiting for input to proceed is not ideal.

[hallow pebble]

i have a confusion to select a career path in python

[fast fossil]

That does not really narrow down your question whatsoever, just tell us what you're concerned about and give us the relevant details
-# also it's "career" not "carrier"

[fringe sphinx]

Tell us more about you: what do you want to do? What education or experience do you have? What specifically do you want to know?

[fair kindle]

Hello Everyone

I have some questions

[near ocean]

Day trading is a waste of time and money and a borderline scam

[still condor]

!cleanban @waxen vigil tradingview scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @waxen vigil permanently.

[white crystal]

Is anyone else considering QA automation as a career path?

[near ocean]

Im sure many people are
Its probably not as flashy as feature dev tho

[vapid jay]

What útil is Github

[placid gust]

Yoo

Hello Every body
Every boy, men ,women ,children, kids,

[tall wharf]

hello guys i have code but the line says error can some one help?

[peak halo]

Hello, this is the career discussion channel. Please open a thread in #1035199133436354600 where you show the whole code and the whole error message.

[tall wharf]

oh thank you

[tall wharf]

umm well in that case do you know what do i learn if i want to become software develepor

[peak halo]

it depends on what kind of software developer you want to be, but a degree in a field like CS is virtually a requirement to get to the interview stage.

[tall wharf]

well i am a begginner in python

like a newbie so i dont know what you mean if you understand

[visual flax]

Legit

is it really worth it to post pone finishing a degree to go the a half a year of project management training then another half in the workforce? when youre degree is electrical engineering?

[rose hemlock]

i know this probably isnt the server for this but how much does school prestige matter for quant dev/trader roles?

[visual flax]

unfortunately for entry level it can mean a lot. Two people with similar qualifications one from m.i.t the other from temple university just aren't going to have the same weight

[rose hemlock]

fair, but to close the gap, it's not entirely impossible?

[visual flax]

Nothing's impossible, you won't ever know why someone rejected you to be honest. So best not to think about it and do you best if you're going to a regular university. My assumption is that you are already in a university and wonder what you're missing out on. Sorry to say but the simple answer is don't think about it and move forward.

[dense stag]

who wants to join a webinar of stanford students talking bout tech and ai and entrepreneurship ? message me

[fallen sage]

how hard is it to secure an apprenticeship 🙏

[peak halo]

in what country?

[fallen sage]

i live in london

[novel quartz]

Information systems, Information & Communication Technology, or Compsci

[wraith harbor]

Whatever you like more?

[novel quartz]

what's the difference?

[peak halo]

At least in the US, information technology is a business degree for people who do tech support in a business. Tasks might involve buying the laptops for a team and installing company software on all of them. It wouldn't involve being on a team of software engineers.

[desert crow]

Its call for all software developers. PUNJAB FLOOD EMERGENCY? i have something to do like here is so much flood in punjab and can we quickly build a webapp that can provide people shelter and people who can help contribute and rent their places for needy ones. Also submission of lost poeple and a different livestock app.?? I need more people and quickly to build this app. Complete this mostly in 1 or 2 days kindly dm me quick.

[deft oasis]

HEY so uhhh im js starting computer science, specialized in data science, and im kinda getting nervous from all the reels ive been seeing that cs are gonna get replaced by ai

and yeahhhhhh, i dont wanna end up being in a call center after spending a hella money for this major

sooooo is this a good choice???

[novel quartz]

ty

What about bachelor of ai

[onyx palm]

Hiiii

[quasi yacht]

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[quasi yacht]

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[onyx palm]

Hi

[tribal falcon]

I got accepted into college!!

[woeful granite]

Hiieee evryone i am really sorry if this is not the channel to ask this question but the thing is I am working as an intern for 9 months now at a decent company i am getting a stipend and I have like 3 more months of internship left now said all this I have got some interest over ai engineering now
To give a bit of background i work with python flask and fast APIs
My sql,mongo and elk
I have also learnt the basics of pandas and numpy but it's been some time i used it so I doubt that and know kibana too if it helps
And of course git and everything

So now for ai part
I started with NLP and did tokenization and lemmenization and stemming and these basics with nltk first (wasn't able to get much tho )
And now using spacy
Now my interest in this field is all over the place but I wanna do coding so this is me asking on how to proceed and what path i could take
I have been meaning to indulge in GEN Ai as it is the hot stuff but again I wanna be an AI engineer
And I am looking for something that i could learn pretty fast and then try to apply for jobs for the same
Again I am sorry if this is the wrong channel for this basically I am looking for roadmap resources whatever that could help me and especially roadmap as of now I am moving in all directions
Thank you so much and again sorry if it's the wrong channel

[visual flax]

I'm not sure what you're asking exactly. Are you curious as to what to do now that you're about to finish an internship?

Could you possibly give more information? Chatgpt is capable of giving road maps faster and better than most people here.

[regal axle]

Are you still in school? Or are you about to go into the work force "proper"

I would say that not knowing your exact niche is totally normally and fine. So don't be stressed about that part. Keep exploring. Try many things and learn what you do and don't like. This is the time to do that!

Anyways, as for roadmap, gen AI is hot right now. But it will cool down. It already has cooled down. Most positions that you can get quickly, around gen AI, are basically just people who use the stuff. But it sounds like you want to work on creating the AI or at least tuning it in some way. And if that is the case, you will need a lot more time and study. And by the time you complete that, the fad will have ran its course. Not to say it will go out of fasion; it just won't be as hot as it is now. So ask yourself "am I doing this because I really like it, or am I doing this because it is popular right now?"

[woeful granite]

So It's been almost a year and a half since i graduated and I am doing this internship and I'll try my best to get full time in the company as i have already helped them on products that are about to roll out anyways apart from that the thing is I do not know what field to dive in as ai engineering is pretty vast as I got to know right
Also in that it's getting hard for me to pinpoint what should I dive into
I hope i am able to explain to you what I am trying to say again I am sorry if that's not the case I'll help you understand again

[woeful granite]

Also the thing is I am doing it because I want to have a better opportunity i mean my primary focus is earning but I really really like coding so that's why the AI field and it's pretty new so I am thinking for a year or two jobs are accessible compared to other departments

[visual flax]

Well this is great information can I ask what degree you have? Bear in mind my experience is exceedingly limited.

[remote yacht]

hm what about getting another job/internship?

[ocean scroll]

Anyone can tell me by which source I should learn it, some says make projects but how can anyone learn like this u r making projects just but don't know what python is capable of even, help me tell how to learn python or by which source of course I m poor I want in free.

[remote yacht]

so you have 0 idea what you want to realize with code?

[ocean scroll]

May be but I leaned much less by w3schools.com and it was hard to learn somethings so I came to ask u guys

Should I learn by youtube and if youtube so whichh youtuber pls help me @remote yacht

[remote yacht]

i can not help you. you have to decide whats most interesting for you. whoever told u make project was right

[balmy mural]

!res Check out the resources on this page. My personal reccomendation is Automate the boring stuff. But there are also some youtube channels if you'd prefer videos.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[woeful granite]

I have a BTech in computer science

[woeful granite]

I am very open to another job i have been interning for like 9 months and really In need for a job now
And in this internship they were treating me like a fresher
So I had a lot of exposure

[hasty bluff]

bro someone help me i m in first year and i dont understand how to learn python

[gritty bridge]

just search some yt tutorial.

[fringe sphinx]

Start in #python-discussion

[gritty bridge]

Im new to python too.

[quasi sparrow]

w8 idint knew the director would have the same name

[visual flax]

Is it worth spending a half a year in hopes of acquiring an internship?

Also stipend being 200 dollars a month.

[near ocean]

as opposed to what? why would you spend half a year to find an internship?

[visual flax]

They train me for half a year to potientially get an internship but it honestly sounds like bullshit and I reget signing up

[near ocean]

Did you pay for this

[visual flax]

No I got it for free.

But people say the program is a scam and honestly I think it is. I can't imagine someone hiring a person with zero experience in project management in this economy

[near ocean]

Do you have to pay them when you get a job or if you leave the program early?

[visual flax]

No, But I have to work for 6 months for 200 dollars a month learning skills

working 6 hours at chipotle I could make 14k, honestly I'm disabled so I think I might just accept my fate and be a mcdonalds worker

[near ocean]

200 dollars in the US? That's less than nothing

[visual flax]

yea it makes no sense I feel so stupid for even signing up really.

Allegedly it can lead to a project management role worth 54k a year but it sounds like even more bullshit

I thought the internship was guarenteed but it isn't.

[near ocean]

There are few guarantees in life and jobs arent one of them

Did you sign a contract

[visual flax]

Apparently I did because they're talking about one

I honestly hate this idea and honestly I'm 1000% ok with not doing it now.

[fringe sphinx]

You're in US?

[visual flax]

Yes

[fringe sphinx]

Do you have a copy of what you signed?

[visual flax]

No I'm asking them about a contract now because I was under the impression I wasn't under one

I'm going to be super happy to quit though, felt bad about it from the very beginning to be honest and I feel a weight lifting me that I finally have good reason not to do it

[fringe sphinx]

Don't let yourself be bullied into something. Don't listen to their explanation; contracts are about what's on the paper, not their interpretation

And, not all contracts are enforceable, especially when they're predatory.

Did you pay something? Or get paid? Or get some other consideration? (Ie: did they give you something like education?)

[zinc stone]

Hello. I am a web developer and I know HTML, CSS & JS. I am learning Flask in Python for backend and my goal is to land a job in the next 2 years. Can someone guide me please?

[fringe sphinx]

I don't remember, did you say you were in the US?

[zinc stone]

No I am not in US.

[visual flax]

No pay, its a program called year up united, I have zero interest in returning though

[fringe sphinx]

My main advice is to find people who've done what you want to do, in your country/area. learn from people's success

[zinc stone]

They all suggest just going to a UNI and then after that getting a job.

[visual flax]

Just going to bite the bullet and potientally go without an internship when I graduate. Also do you think its worth it to graduate in engineering degree when you struggle to focus or complete coursework. I have bizarre disability I'm not sure if I should just accept that I'll likely be a mcdonalds worker the rest of my life

Pursuing engineering has caused me so much pain honestly, but I'm willing to give up on my dreams I've had since I was little.

[uneven moat]

then do that. Is there a reason you're not planning for that

[zinc stone]

I need to be earning in the next 2 years basically when i've graduated high school

[uneven moat]

Personal reason?

[zinc stone]

yah

[uneven moat]

do you have capital

[zinc stone]

srry i forgot what that was

[uneven moat]

money to start a business

[zinc stone]

uh no not really

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure what bizarre means (and I'm not asking) but: tech is a diverse industry. Uni is tough for most people, so don't think your academic struggle is unique. There are many types of jobs and roles and academic success!=career success.

[uneven moat]

can you do jobs like a waiter at a restaurant, etc

[visual flax]

I have panic attacks and struggle deeply with focus,

[zinc stone]

money thru coding...

[fringe sphinx]

Tech is a very neuro-diverse industry, and every job is different. Not to be dismissive of -your- struggle, but to be supportive: in my experience, Attention/adhd issues are very common in tech. The modern workplace is far more understanding than it used to be.

[visual flax]

Alright man thanks for understanding. I very much appreciate I'm going to try and get that engineering degree. and use this 14 week of working to hopefully prepare for next semester

[fringe sphinx]

Try to look for meetups or other opportunities to see other engineers. Even if you're quiet and keep to yourself, there's some benefit to seeing engineers in the wild... like going to the zoo

[visual flax]

In your experience do nureo diverse people struggle to compete?

[fringe sphinx]

Compete? Or be productive? The measurement of an engineer is whether they: get their tasks done and contribute to the greater good (the team, the project, the design, etc).

[visual flax]

I guess productive, like are they capable of doing well enough to be paid?

[fringe sphinx]

For sure. Tech is -very- neuro diverse.... nothing would get done otherwise!

I've worked with plenty of people who need time to process and give feedback, offline. Modern software development is much better for them that it used to be.

[visual flax]

Is it common for people to express pronouns as an introductory. Also is a floral shirt acceptable in corporate america if there is business casual pants?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm thinking of the first software architect I worked with: a very senior engineer who was very quiet, deliberate and would give his response to tech questions the day after. And he was excellent.

[fringe sphinx]

I can't speak to this broadly: but, pronouns are a normal part of corporate America now. Dress code? No idea, i think nobody cares what engineers wear

[visual flax]

When did pronouns become so normalized?

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, over last 5 years or so?

And just take my input as my just one guys opinion. Seek others.

No idea on causes.

[visual flax]

My apologies this is off topic, thank you for helping!

[fringe sphinx]

It's actually pretty on topic for this channel!

[visual flax]

I'm honestly new to corporate america, I was actually shocked to see it be this widespread. I always assumed it the top companies doing this sort of thing.

[regal axle]

Clothes is very dependent on company culture. Most tech first companies are very relaxed on what you can wear. Being put together is more important than how you are put together (typically)

As for pronouns, it was a much bigger thing a few years ago. Now it’s one of those things that takes basically no effort to do and is either something a company really cares about or just does out of courtesy. But it’s starting to go out of “fashion” for it to be in every communication. (In the sense that people are not being as explicit with it)

[frail mirage]

That’s very relieving to hear

[ashen vortex]

14k per month????

[visual flax]

for 6 months

[ashen vortex]

what will u be doing at chipotle then

[fringe sphinx]

There are actually coaches who help neurodiverse adults: I have a 50 year old friend who -just- started working with a coach, and he said it was life changing.

[visual flax]

I'll definitely consider it

[fringe sphinx]

(Not a therapist but someone to help with work related things)

[visual flax]

Lol how do you know I need a therapist?

[ashen vortex]

anyone who have done a intership
how hard it was to land and what was the work u were actually doing

[frail mirage]

Wait there’s job coaches?? That’s a thing-

[ashen vortex]

its same like career counselours

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, wasn't suggesting that, I just meant there's specialists for everything. Anxious about being anxious about work? Theres people who specialize

[visual flax]

It should be illegal to have an internship that pays 50 dollars biweekly

[fringe sphinx]

Agree

[visual flax]

Idk how I got myself roped into this mess.

[ashen vortex]

the company should be sued

[frail mirage]

Oh wow that’s awesome probably something i should look into in the future

[ashen vortex]

for me
career counselors are not worth it
the peace u get after trying many things to find the thing u love is of another world
you must have heard a saying
" i have failed more times than u tried"

[fringe sphinx]

The program does seem legit from my googling

[ashen vortex]

really?
is there gonna be a minimum wage?

[ashen vortex]

whats the company name?

[marble quest]

cs has a future right?

[ashen vortex]

u in EU?

[frail mirage]

Oh I see I’ll take that into consideration, in my case I know what I want to do for a career

[frail mirage]

Yes of course it does

[ashen vortex]

deffo if u are driven enough

[visual flax]

Year up united, I honestly don't like it at all. It's legit but I'm better than this honestly.

[ashen vortex]

from where

[marble quest]

I'm really passionate Abt computers, robotics, software, is taking cs as a major a good bet

[visual flax]

Still a massive risk, and I don't feel like giving a whole year of my life for 13k a year

[ashen vortex]

whats ur tech stack and exp\

[marble quest]

Many complain that there's too much competition and i often get "scared" from these stereotypes

[visual flax]

Associates in electrical engineering with some projects on the side, I still feel worth more a stipend of 50 dollars bi weekly

[ashen vortex]

whats ur tech stack and exp

[visual flax]

Zero, unfortunately. Still dont have enough mocksy for 50 dollars bi weekly

I'm going to look into missionary work so I don't have exercise anything aside from courage

[ashen vortex]

many are distracted the ones who say so
cutting off unnessecary things is hard but worth it

[ashen vortex]

u know to code?

[visual flax]

Of course

I'm not a mastermind at data structures and algorithms but yea I understand syntax. how to solve coding errors, ect

[ashen vortex]

what languages u work with

[visual flax]

My personaly favorite is c++ but I'm honestly best at c# and python. I've worked with just about all programming languages

[ashen vortex]

ever worked before

[visual flax]

Unfortunately no, zero experience.

Thats the only reason I'd even consider 50 dollars biweekly for the hopes of a project managment internship

[ashen vortex]

if ur financially supported by parents
then opt for it

[visual flax]

I'd have to work for over a year.

For basically nothing and only hopes, hopes of getting an internship. Along with postpoining my education. It sounds and feels like hell.

[ashen vortex]

are u currently enrolled in a degree program?
continue ur education
apply to internships on many platforms

[visual flax]

yes I foolishly risked my place for this internship I'm beating myself for it everyday

yea I was scared that this was my only way to obtain an internship but I'm regretting it really.

[visual flax]

short life we live fk this internship

[fringe sphinx]

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade

[visual flax]

Still fk this intership I'd honestly rather work at chipotle

Not spending 6 months of my life for it. Ive only got 5 years left before 30

Project internship for low income people long story short I'm not doing it, and life is too short to do anything you dont have to do

Nope but I'm getting paid fking 50 dollars biweekly for the hopes of getting a internship

its not even guaranteed

[mossy rapids]

@visual flax that sucks

[visual flax]

Like fuck this shit I'm hardly even young anymore.

I might as well have applied for an internship myself if they're worried about the job market also

[ashen vortex]

bro then commit to any open source project
look for projects many by seniors or people in industry who have jjob
connect with them
referrals are sometimes better that applications

[visual flax]

Thats what I'm thinking.

[mossy rapids]

Sorry to hear that I hope things get better for you bro

[fringe sphinx]

What's the penalty for walking away?

[visual flax]

pretty awful because I have a 2.8 gpa but I have a buch of experience just not proven.

[visual flax]

I can't ever apply again. But honestly who cares because I don't really want to.

[fringe sphinx]

That's hardly a penalty

[visual flax]

I have some games I made in unity, all crappy

[ashen vortex]

what kind of job ur looking for

[visual flax]

I never spent more than 2 months on a project so I don't have anything crazy.

[visual flax]

Anything in the electrical engineering field that isnt dangerous

[mossy rapids]

How can I get a job in freelancing , I'm looking for job in python and AI?

Could anyone tell me please?

I have some projects I made as CS student doing my second year now.

[ashen vortex]

means???

[ashen vortex]

AI is not wholesome for freelance

[ashen vortex]

what might not be dangerous like???

[mossy rapids]

Okay

[visual flax]

I'm thinking about building a ros power robot, they might not do deep research to know that some of the designs are copied or that there's a youtube video on it.

[mossy rapids]

Wow amazing idea

[visual flax]

An office job.

[mossy rapids]

Really woah

[visual flax]

essientially mocking the rover mars build. It'll be a bit pricy but I'm confident it'll look impressive.

[analog sun]

For electrical engineering there is a lot of things you can do. The most dangerous application is probably power transmission, but outside of that there is circuit design, system design, electrical installation, etc

[visual flax]

Please don't patronize me Kiran, its not kind

[visual flax]

why is power transmission is dangerous?

[analog sun]

Manufacturing and contracting companies always need electrical engineers

[mossy rapids]

I'm sorry for making you feel uncomfortable

[analog sun]

Arc flash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1LeDTl2GDg

[visual flax]

I've seen cad be a req, should electrical engineers really know cad?

[analog sun]

I'm sure there is a drawing program for circuit design

CAD is more than just AutoCad 3D modeling

[mossy rapids]

I was like holy shit when I saw the video cool bro

[visual flax]

not really solid works though?

[mossy rapids]

Same question here

[analog sun]

Solidworks is a CAD software, and is pretty standard for any engineering course work. Exposure to it in college is just to show you what is possible

I did Mech. Eng. so it was more applicable

[mossy rapids]

Amazing

[visual flax]

I'm curious if I should spend a lot of time in kicad and solidworks while I'm studying for my classes

[ashen vortex]

make contacts with senior or someone in the job
its a good way

[analog sun]

I'd get familiar with it but wouldn't make it a priority until you are applying for a job that specifically uses that software

[mossy rapids]

Hmm

[mossy rapids]

Ur right

[ashen vortex]

where did u learn python from
let me tell u a hack
if u have social media or twitter or linkedin
read books alligned with ur work and post there with ur working desk being super clean and ur work being there
if any recruiter or senior see it
it can give a excellent impression

@visual flax reading books are not encouraged nowadays
even fiction books help with stress
while u are reading and emerged in story nothing comes in mind

@visual flax try ngo work
lend a helping hand in events
arrive early at events related to tech
communicate with staff

[visual flax]

I'm reading a book on electromagnetism because I have to take a class on it soon.

I'm going to talk to some people and work on some projects. Next 14 weeks are going to be super stressful.

[ashen vortex]

u exercise?

[visual flax]

All the time

[ashen vortex]

noice

[white relic]

Heaviside deserves more credit

[pine sleet]

reading books are still encouraged

[wraith harbor]

My company is hiring, gonna tell my boss to start looking at people's desks on LinkedIn

Do you speak Dutch? Is that a requirement to working there?

[balmy mural]

Gonna tell my current boss to ignore me setting up a camera on a tripod to take a picture of me reading at my clean work desk

[balmy mural]

Some companies do require Dutch, some don't

[wraith harbor]

I see. yeah I'm just in the research stage right now, not sure what I'll decide yet

[potent ingot]

hello i whant to do an signal bot for trading but i am an noob at this, can i please get some help

[astral vine]

hi everyone!👋

[peak halo]

!warn @astral vine your message was removed for asking for work, which is not allowed

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @astral vine.

[fringe sphinx]

start in #python-discussion

[bleak ferry]

Hi

[dense stag]

hellooo

[kindred crown]

Hey everyone, I am starting my university in 2-3 months (Software Engineering). My aim is to go into AI/ML in Masters. Can someone guide me to make the best use of my university time?

[vapid jay]

Hi guys, New to the server. Just wondering if this particular channel, is also geared towards help with interviews and resume questions/review. Or is there another separate channel for that. Thanks

[still condor]

This is the right channel

[vapid jay]

Awesome, thanks

[wheat anvil]

first year, have fun as much as possible :)) while you are having fun just making sure you fully understand what you are doing, (not skipping assignment, and focus on learning as much as possible) although it's not fun, but will give you an edge over time. Second year make connections as much as possible, also find people on social media where you can see yourself in their possition and learn about their path. Last year is unknown, focus more on projects and delivery, you will find yourself in something soon

[kindred crown]

can I dm you?

[wheat anvil]

sure

[fringe sphinx]

Three important things: 1. Uni courses need more time than you expect, put more time in. Try to dig deeper into the topic and get the most out of it. 2. Start coding... and coding often. Like exercising in the gym, jt takes many reps to get strong. 3. Get involved in clubs and social activities: your network will be very important later, start early and 'invest' in it

[vapid jay]

Guys, can you help me once more? I’m already an unc, just trying to make a living without breaking my back at tough jobs. I really like Python and its community. I enjoy using Linux, even though it drives me mad realizing how little I know. I’m also taking a free course here in my town, learning the basics of SQL and databases. Do you think it’s a good idea to start investing some money to take my first step into cybersecurity? Or is it too much for an older guy to wish for?

[analog sun]

picking up a bit of what you said in #cybersecurity I think $30 is probably fine to spend. I'd think carefully before spending something like $3,000 though

[vapid jay]

Thank you, Brad. I just need something to light the darkness for a while. I’ll follow your steps and also try to get some cheap certificates in the meantime.

[analog sun]

I mean my steps was not in computer science at all, I have a degree in mechanical engineering and do programming work as a hobby / small productivity skill to have

@true epoch your message was removed for violating server rules 6 and 9 regarding advertising and paid work

[regal axle]

“It’s never too late” as long as your expectations are realistic. If you don’t try to force the big tech salaries, it is very possible. And there is still a lot of demand for cybersecurity positions.

[vapid jay]

I mean, I’m going to follow the community path, you know? Just reading and learning along with you guys.

[vapid jay]

Thank you for your answer, @regal axle . I’m just trying to survive in a poor country. If I could make around $20k a year, I’d already be safe here.

[still condor]

!cleanban @true epoch looks like the warning didn't work

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @true epoch permanently.

[visual flax]

How bad is it to enter the engineering work force at 28?

[peak halo]

It's fine.

[visual flax]

Don't people that age typically have senior roles?

[peak halo]

maybe because of title inflation. assuming they started at like 22, age 28 would probably be pretty middle.

[visual flax]

Would you be bothered working an entry role at that age? If that's still on topic.

[peak halo]

I started at 26 and it has turned out pretty well so far.

[stark canyon]

I think most people with the experience to realistically fill a senior role would, if anything, dislike working as a junior because of their experience and not because of their age.

[visual flax]

Is it possible to develop professional engineering skills when you are still in undergrad?

[peak halo]

yes, that's sort of the point of undergrad

[visual flax]

Because often I have a hard time seeing what types of skills engineers develop in the work force. So I'll be developing my skills in one of the courses I took?

[stark canyon]

There are some "professional engineering skills" you learn in school and some you don't, IMO. There are some skills you realistically won't learn until you enter the workforce. That's fine, though. Happens to all of us.

[visual flax]

Figured as much ty vergard.

[fringe sphinx]

One skill to work on is testing. I'm impressed by any undergrad who can talk intelligently about how they tested a project.

[analog sun]

Its fine, we just had an intern that was 30

[sturdy bronze]

A highschool buddy of mine did it at 35. It's fine. Also, people at that age get to senior positions faster.

[visual flax]

That's spectacular, what do you mean by testing?

[deft herald]

Adding to what @stark canyon said; but i think a bachelors teaches you how to learn more than anything. SO much of my job early in my career was knowing how and where to find information, then interpreting and applying it to the task at hand. That's really what the root of engineering is, right? Learning the theory and applying it to a practical situation

[deft herald]

As far as testing goes, imagine writing a function that takes a decimal number as input, does something to it, and produces an output. Well you can write a "unit test" for this that basically calls it with different inputs and checks the output against what you already know it should be. It might test with a bunch of different values for the input that may be considered "edge cases" like 0, -1, a billion, etc

which reminds me of a joke.

a QA engineer walks into a bar. He orders a beer. He orderes 2 beers. He orders 65535 beers, he orders -1 beers, he orders "asdf" beers...

[visual flax]

Oh that's soo cool. Yea definitely I've done that.

[near ocean]

It's definitely personality dependent imho
I know many degree holders, some even have advanced degrees, who are absolutely helpless
They dont know how to look things up, they seemingly have no natural curiosity, most of these people got comfortable with the structure provided by their degree and have no real ability to even google things
Its fascinating

[deft herald]

Yeah...i suppose you're right. I also think people can lose it over time. I do work with a lot of more senior engineers who appear to lack any critical thinking skills but i think part of it is their own ego getting in the way. LIke "this problem is below me, i need to tell you to do it instead"

[limber quartz]

i love animals

god damn the slowmode is so long but like, i dont like on site jobs apart from working w animals. i like games and cs in general, i want to make a career out of it so i can fund my other shit but like ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[near ocean]

The slowmode is here to encourage more thought and content into messages, if you want faster paced conversation you can go to #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[near ocean]

Working with animals doesnt pay, it'll be hard to fund anything on animal care wages
Games dev is probably the worst paid software dev discipline if you account for hours worked

You could go into fintech and satisfy both requirements, high pay and working with animals

[limber quartz]

lol fintech is in trend but does it need you taking business in a levels, im taking pre engineering subjects

it has no scope in my country and going abroad means selling a leg to sustain yourself for even food

[near ocean]

I dont think fintech needs business, it is a technology role usually anyway

[stark canyon]

I won't pretend to know the situation you're in, but senior engineers should know that they can't solve every problem themselves. I sometimes have a hard time letting go of the need to control every part of the process myself, but at some point that mindset can't scale anymore. Better to learn how to delegate, then.

[limber quartz]

is there any other route tho, perhaps software engineering

[fringe sphinx]

Reminds me, did you hear about the Taco Bell ai debacle? Not a joke, some dude ordered 18000 waters

[deft herald]

Yeah lol. I just saw the headline but didn't hear what actually happened

[deft herald]

i think some kind of specialist zookeeper would be an awesome job and i bet the pay is decent

[near ocean]

Conservation of any kind doesnt pay, its sad but it is what it is

[deft herald]

Just looked it up. Yeah it sucks

[spring dawn]

Hey, i'm working as a senior software engineer for 5 years, ivy college. Suddenly, i want to contribute back to opensource and i have given a self target that i want to get a free pass to pycon 2026 based upon my contributions. So, which python projects will have the most visibility and impact for me?

Any suggesions are welcome

[near ocean]

It's the most difficult conversation to have with my gf, hardcore animal and marine conservation enthusiast
Unfortunately i dont make enough to bankroll her shenanigans innawoods
Soon™

[peak halo]

are you asking about pycon US? And by "free pass", do you mean a travel grant?

[spring dawn]

no travel grant, just free invitation, i mean free registration

yes, pycon US

[peak halo]

I think free registration still falls under the travel grants, even if the grant is only for registration rather than travel, lodging, etc.

[spring dawn]

okay, so, how to make my profile for travel grant? which project i should target?

for contribution

[peak halo]

Just to make sure I'm tracking, what is the reason you need your pycon registration to be free? would you not be able to attend otherwise? pycon is a source of revenue for the PSF, and there's a cap on how many people can attend, so they need as many attendees to pay as possible.

You said that you want to contribute to open source. Is getting a free pycon ticket just the metric you're using to determine if your open source contributions are impactful?

[smoky quest]

might be interesting to aim for presenting a talk instead

[spring dawn]

yes, that is

[peak halo]

That's not a good metric for that. travel grants are awarded on a need basis. not a merit basis.

[still condor]

@mossy shale Please read our rules and the description of the channel. We do not allow searching for jobs on our server.

[mossy shale]

very sad 🙁 is ok

[astral widget]

Hi, I have a question regarding the installation of Linux, is it better to install Linux with WSL or to do it in partition, having two OS on the same computer?

[stark canyon]

What scales fine? The inability to keep your hands off some tasks? I don't understand your point.

I don't think I said what it seems to me you think I said. Do you think you can re-state what you believe my position is so that I can understand what you're arguing against?

Ah, I see. So your position is that if everyone acts as they should, there would not need to be any management? Maybe in a perfect world. However, as we are all less than perfect, I think there is some use for someone who takes on coordination tasks.

And I would further argue that a senior developer would have a better chance at seeing which tasks are of an appropriate scope for a more junior developer. It makes sense that they take on some amount of coordination responsibility.

I apologize for using the phrase "acting as one should" too broadly. I don't mean that there's someone whose contributions are always a net negative, someone who's toxic or otherwise purely detrimental to the team. Just normal human imperfections, even among the ones of us who try their best. And so the answer to the question of why you'd be on a team with someone who doesn't "act as they should" is "because people aren't perfect". Are you thereby arguing that teams cannot function?

Again, I feel like you're taking "not acting perfect" as "acting really bad". I don't think managers can be perfect.

How many teams have you been on where there was nobody responsible for coordination at any level?

And how many teams have you been on in total? 🤔

Is your argument that a well-functional team is the natural state of software development, only hampered by company cultures which insist that there must be a hierarchical structure?

I think that if the "no leadership" approach worked reliably, we'd see a lot more functional teams organized in that way.

I agree that in a perfect world every team would naturally be like that, but we make do.

[smoky quest]

you do hear about all sorts of management experience though

which ones?

How do you define a flat hierarchy?

Let's not use Valve as an example as it has fuck you money and people are just doing whatever they want there

Sure it's a fun one.
But there isn't much to draw conclusion on for anything related to leadership, execution and structuring groups of people to work together on a common goal

[stark canyon]

I will concede that the overwhelming majority of teams structured somehow hierarchically may be a combination of typical workplace culture and the fact that it just works better most of the time.

And I will say, I come from a country where the general work culture is normally pretty flat. When I say "leadership" I'm not imagining rigid hierarchies, I'm imagining specialization. It's just that there's normally one or more reserved slots for someone whose specialization is leadership.

[smoky quest]

there is still accountability, performance management, hiring, etc.
It's quite different from how are projects defined and being worked on

yeah and there can't be accountability without authority

like?

[ebon elk]

any content like this that show ui/ux design psychology?

https://youtube.com/shorts/pq6zqp6BdOg?si=oukEMcdAx0eKmL_Y

[neon zinc]

is this the official python server?

[still condor]

It is not operated by the Python Software Foundation

[neon zinc]

alright

[onyx basin]

Hi, I've been a python programmer since 3 years..
and I'm going to university in 2 months, I want to learn either C or C++ in the time remaining

what do you think I should learn?

[lost walrus]

Since you already have 3 years of professional Python experience, you probably have a pretty good idea of what your strengths, weaknesses, and interests are as a programmer. If you don’t already know them, you might for example also benefit from learning databases, Docker basics, or software architecture/design patterns. You can also review discrete math, linear algebra, probability & statistics, and algorithmic thinking & proofs to strengthen your foundation for computer science.

[near ocean]

I dont think their experience is professional if theyre just now going to uni

[wraith harbor]

you should try things and see what interests you. try frontend, c, anything you think sounds cool.

[alpine granite]

what are the most common career paths for a python developer a part from data related jobs (data scientist, data engineer)?

[near ocean]

Web development probably

[onyx basin]

Wow thanks for telling me all of these fields, sure I didn't know lot of em but will learn about em

[onyx basin]

I stopped at the stage of learning data science
Not sure if I should be a professional, I think I'm an intermediate+

[alpine granite]

maybe, but I guess web development for the majority is covered by javascript devs 🤔

[near ocean]

Do you work as a developer, thats what professional means, its not a skill level

[onyx basin]

No, unfortunately I don't work as a developer
But I do make a lot of projects, most of them solve real life problems of mine and my father..

[near ocean]

There are professionals that fail fizzbuzz and amateurs that work on things that support world economies

[onyx basin]

You do have a point man

[near ocean]

A professional dev is more likely to have experienced some things or have access to certain resources, so advice may vary compared to students

[near ocean]

You dont need to use linkedin, there are other job boards around

Indeed, totaljobs, other depending on where you live

Everyone wants a remote job, the competition is the highest for them
People are applying with your experience and degrees

[fringe sphinx]

generally, the three keys are: 1. write the best resume you can - some people haven't "maxed" their resume potential. 2. prepare: build current skills/keywords/experience/etc - part of this is knowing what's happening in the industry. 3. network - friends/families/etc.

[near ocean]

Its not us you have to convince
There are many crazy good devs in this world and most of them have degrees as well

[fringe sphinx]

Linkedin is terrible anyway for networking, really...

look for meetups and the like, there's a lot more than you'd expect once you start looking

lunch with ex-coworkers

etc

You said "you might've undersold your experience" and "over a decade of experience". How would you demonstrate that to an employer?

There's an old sales saying: never have lunch alone. Build it up, one day at a time.

Might need to swallow some pride, look for adjacent jobs... even in testing and operations... something to get you back in the game.

[near ocean]

How did you get your decade+ of experience

[fringe sphinx]

for sure, everybody wants the unicorn remote job... demand is high.

[near ocean]

Did you work a normal job, did people pay you to do actual work

Do you have a portfolio then? Something you used to market yourself?

[fringe sphinx]

Generally NDAs apply to the substance of work, not the fact that you worked.

• in my experience

[icy pagoda]

tl;dr you shouldn't expect anything if you can't demonstrate anything

and you are up against degree holders who also demonstrate significant experience and can talk about it

i don't doubt that since I won't place any stakes on you

recruiters will doubt it though without anything backing that, and you might need to prove yourself

you've applied through official job portals, right? from company websites and such?
or are you waiting to network first?

could just try that first then i guess

[fringe sphinx]

If your resume basically reads as "0 experience and 0 degree", then that's the first problem.

But, goes back to my first comment: maximize your resume first.

You can post an anonymized resume here for critique, if you like.

[near ocean]

If they cant talk about their projects what could they put on their cv

[lapis wind]

1000%

[open ivy]

No one seems to give a down-to-earth picture of how AI is changing tech and tech-adjacent trades (such as physically building a robot).

Getting a job is such a social task that people who are "room charmers" have a huge edge. Keeping a job requires a mixture of social and tech. AI may make learning how to be a room charmer easier because it seems to pick up on some of that vibe.

[fringe sphinx]

It's always been true that soft skills are important in engineering.

[open ivy]

If you wanted to be a room charmer, how would you learn that skill? Most people think it is hopeless but I don't think so, it's strange how people box themselves in.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure what a room charmer means. You mean, how to be pleasant to be around?

[near ocean]

Go into rooms, and charm them
Its a skill like any other and needs practice

[fringe sphinx]

Now, snake charmer. That would be a fun skill to learn.

[open ivy]

I was thinking an AI chatbot with body language and intonation and it reads your body language etc could supplement social skills? Chat GPT is already pretty good at making me feel good about myself, even though it is just a text chat, and I have to recognize it is fake and not a real friend.

[near ocean]

Alternatively you could go talk to real fleshy people?

[eager skiff]

Is python used in devlopment of software? am learning python and wanna build a simple file manager with it as my project

[lapis wind]

Go to tech meetups and conferences

[open ivy]

I actually do more of real human interactions than average. Because I avoid most doomscrolling time sucks.

AI can provide honest rapid feedback and allow for "stress tests". So it is a tool that can be used for refinement.

Real humans are, well, real.

I like IRL interactions

[near ocean]

AI provides feedback the same way punching bags hit back
Keep talking to real people and leave AI behind

[open ivy]

AI would be just another tool to read my body language, practice accents in foreign languages etc.

[eager skiff]

too late, i aleady 2 AI wives, and 3 kids

[vapid jay]

Does anyone know what is a good way to introduce myself to someone else on linkedin if I don't actually know them personally but they are in a field I really like?

I was thinking of doing: Hi [Name],
I share your passion for robotics and its impact on society. I’d love to connect and learn from your journey in this field!

Considering linkedin only allows no more than 200 characters.

Or : Hi [Name],
I've noticed that you're passionate about robotics like myself and I’d love to connect and learn from your journey in this field! Let me know of any opportunities!

Or : Hi [Name],
I've noticed that you're passionate about robotics like myself and I’d love to connect and learn from your journey in this field! Eager to learn and open to recommendations!

I think I like the third one, but was wondering what other people are thinking?

[vapid jay]

To connect with robotics enthusiast and potentially ask for opportunities to learn either through their recommendations or potential junior positions.

[echo prairie]

they never respond tbh

[deft herald]

Yeah i wouldn't waste any time cold calling rando's on linkedin

I know if I were to receive some such message, i would assume it's just some other recruiter out to get my time and money

I've even responded to recruiters reaching out about some opportunity that seems good and i've never even gotten one to reply back to me lol

So basically i just ignore any message on linked in unless it's from someone i already know

Like look at this crap

[balmy mural]

Last person wants to clone you? That might be a cool opportunity. Just imagine how much more you could do if there were two of you

[near ocean]

I'd personally not get anything done 🙊

[peak rapids]

i've been out of work for four months, so if i double my income and double my expenses... the math doesn't math very well :/

[spice ocean]

Is someone active

Who knows how to handle hacked account?
My friend got hacked, and the hacker changed everything, reseted his phone.

[fringe sphinx]

This is "career discussion" on a Python server, not really the best place to ask.

[spice ocean]

Where should i ask then? This was the single one i could ask.

[fringe sphinx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/ perhaps

[hollow mist]

why Someone help you out in hacking Situation? are you Celebrity?

[spice ocean]

I'm not hacking

[hollow mist]

.

[spice ocean]

Someone was hacked, I just asked for informations. Why you gotta jump me?

[hollow mist]

Just asuring You