career-advice

[near ocean]

https://www.efinancialcareers.co.uk/news/citadel-hedge-fund-pay

The next highest paid people at Citadel in London are at Citadel Management Europe III, which employs the fund's quants and technology staff. There, average pay last year was $769k.

[smoky quest]

It's not about skills here. It's about putting the time and effort

[near ocean]

yea you dont need passion to do that, it helps but you dont need it

[smoky quest]

yet plenty of students don't do that

[near ocean]

i dont see how thats relevant, are you saying its not possible to be successful without passion?

[smoky quest]

anything is possible, not necessarily with the same plausibility

and to go back to your message at #career-advice message, no, not everyone would grind in something you arent particularly interested in for 200k+ a year

[near ocean]

some people would and they absolutely could though, isnt that the topic?

[smoky quest]

So now your argument is that there exist someone in the world who would grind in something they aren't particularly interested in for 200k+ a year?

Sure, there must exist such person in the universe of the possibles, though it's useless for a discussion

[near ocean]

im just responding to #career-advice message

[smoky quest]

that misses the point then as there will always be the possibility of someone in the possibilities of the universe to exist. But it does not mean it is valid or it should be followed

[near ocean]

ofc its valid and i didnt say it should be followed, i said it can be followed

kind of elitist to suggest someone's career isnt valid because they dont have passion for it?

[wraith harbor]

i think in cs its more common for people to be passionate about their work than other high earning fields. im thinking like law/finance/accounting, usually what i hear from those people is they just want as much money as possible

[smoky quest]

no one spoke about it being valid or not

[near ocean]

what do you mean by it being valid then

[smoky quest]

alright, sounds like you are trolling. Am out

[near ocean]

you said something isnt valid and shouldnt be followed, if that "it" isnt a passionless career then what is it

[next plover]

i dont live for money

i couldnt even do that if i wanted my brain cannot focus on something im not interested in

[near ocean]

i did it, at least enough to live a comfortable life, its doable even if not advised

whether people can tell you're doing it, it depends on the individual, im sure there's some understanding at my workplace that people do it for money
the industry is uninteresting and kind of immoral
the tech is ancient
we're remote

[vapid jay]

how much do you make

[hardy oxide]

pls put a triggerwarning on this channel

[near ocean]

what for

[hardy oxide]

empl*yment..

[vapid jay]

i wanna know just give an estimate

[near ocean]

around 60k, but how would that help you, are you in the UK?

[vapid jay]

a year? nah i’m not in the uk

[near ocean]

Well yea

[vapid jay]

i’m tryna make money with programming without going to school

[near ocean]

Thats gonna be tough

[vapid jay]

i’m 15

what if i know c++ python and dart

will that make me earn more money?

[near ocean]

Maybe? Most software jobs ask for degrees

[harsh river]

the more languages you know doesn't translate to more money down the line

[vapid jay]

then what does?

[harsh river]

a college degree

[vapid jay]

i wanna start a language that’s easy to learn and gives me money

[harsh river]

knowing a specific language won't translate into more money, there's more to software engineering that the language

[vapid jay]

yea but uni’s around me suck and the goal i want can’t be accomplished if i go to college

[vapid jay]

Then what can get me money at a young age

[near ocean]

the goal of making money with software? its pretty much exclusively accomplished by going to uni

[smoky quest]

What would be your goal?

[vapid jay]

but aren’t companies saying we don’t degrees

[vapid jay]

having around 10-20m$ before 20 which is in 5 years

[harsh river]

million?

[vapid jay]

yes

[smoky quest]

And what makes you believe that being less educated and skilled will help you reach that goal faster?

[near ocean]

Cut down 5 or 6 zeros and maybe

[vapid jay]

bro school doesn’t make you smart💀

[smoky quest]

School is not about making you smart

[vapid jay]

then what it’s just a piece of paper

[smoky quest]

it's like saying what matters when shopping for groceries is the receipt, not what is in your cart

[vapid jay]

the only reason i hate school is because when you go there and finish college you get rich in your 40s-50s and i don’t want that

[smoky quest]

that's a skill issue

[vapid jay]

i wanna be rich before 20

[smoky quest]

(and luck)

[harsh river]

probably impossible at this point.

[fringe sphinx]

Play the lottery, I guess

[smoky quest]

This is a great goal to set, but unrealistic by most metrics

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't really a career goal that anyone can help with. I'd like to get a lot of a stuff without working hard too.

[vapid jay]

definitely not if you believe in yourself

[vapid jay]

i don’t mean having a job i mean selling an app for like 10-20m$ maybe even more

[smoky quest]

hope is not a strategy.
If there was a valid strategy, everyone would be doing it

[pine sleet]

this is stuff parents tell their kids but real life doesnt work that way

[fringe sphinx]

Sure. Doesn't everyone here?

[harsh river]

don't you think that if it was that easy all of us would already being doing it?

[vapid jay]

yes but my ideas are good

[pine sleet]

thats what everyone says

[fringe sphinx]

What's your question tho?

[vapid jay]

i have a friend who’s willing to do it with me 100% he left school this year and i will next year

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, pursue your dream. Dream big. But have a plan.

[vapid jay]

i’m trying to learn programming to make an app

[fringe sphinx]

Great, that's a great start. Education helps in many ways too.

[vapid jay]

yeah but how do i start

my friend told me to learn python c++ and dart/flutter

[fringe sphinx]

How to learn Python?

[vapid jay]

no to make an app

[harsh river]

first you need to learn programming to make the app

[vapid jay]

and learn skills i have 5 years and like 3 months until school

[fringe sphinx]

Start with learning one language well. #python-discussion message is a good start

[tired lynx]

If I was to take on a Data Scientist course at University, would i require maths at A-Level?

[fringe sphinx]

You need to know many things to build a commercial application, but start small.

[tired lynx]

I’m currently taking Computer Science, IT, and electronics at A-level

And I really don’t wanna do maths

[brazen willow]

It's generally recommended and most unis will require maths as a compulsory

Look at the unis you're interested in and chekc their entry reqs

[tired lynx]

So basically my entire computer science driven career is off the cards💀

[vapid jay]

Okay thanks could i add you so you could help me if that’s okay?

i’m just gonna ask questions

[fringe sphinx]

I don't do DM's ... best to ask in #python-discussion there's many people there with a lot of experience

[harsh river]

why? because you're bad at math?

[fringe sphinx]

But I'm happy to answer q's whenever

[harsh river]

i'm also bad at math and i have a job in the field

[tired lynx]

I’m not great at it, i’m aiming for a 7 or 8 at GCSE with is a B/A in the old UK system

[fringe sphinx]

I wasn't bad at math but I would've preferred at the time to not take so many math courses!

[vapid jay]

thanks appreciate it

[near ocean]

dont do this, wtf

[tired lynx]

it’s just that i find maths slightly boring sometimes, but if i require it for lots of careers in computer science then that might be what i need to do

[wraith harbor]

Every job is slightly boring sometimes

[harsh river]

depending on the work you're doing you might not use too much math

[tired lynx]

okay that’s good

[smoky quest]

math also gets more interesting in the later parts as it is far more practical and concrete.
So what you might see now, may be more boring than what you look at later

[lime tree]

helo yall
I joined this server a couple days back beacuse i wanted to get into python. This venture has been going well so far but I am kinda confused.

So i wanna get into the webscraping side of things (for now -- plan on going the machine learning/AI route when in Uni, so not focussing all that rn)
Ive gotten the basics down so far, rn ive reached classes, objects (OOP). from what ive read, i dont need to learn it rn (instead jumping into stuff like beautifulsoup) but im not sure and hence want a second hand opinion. Ik that scraping is not that hard (as in there are far more challenging concepts in it) and i eventually intend to get into making bots and stuf

[vapid jay]

why

[fringe sphinx]

Im not sure what you're asking. Whats your question here?

[cosmic turret]

hi again ramby

[vapid violet]

If I am looking to gain more experience with what will be used in the field. Should I continue getting better at hosting my projects with systemd or are there other things that I should look into that may be more beneficial.

[lilac yoke]

in what field?

[vapid violet]

Computer science/software engineering

[lilac yoke]

You'll need to be far more specific than that

[vapid violet]

I am currently in college and wanting to learn new things. I have used systemd a couple of times to host my stuff but am still a beginner. I want to know if there are other industry standard hosting(?) technologies that are good to know, or would be a skill that employers would want to see for internships/jobs.

[lilac yoke]

I think it would be a good time to start thinking about distributed systems. Systemd is great, but when it comes to hosting across multiple machines across multiple regions, you need some kind of abstraction layer. Research kubernetes, containerization, terraform

I read this book recently before I started an internship at a large cloud provider. It's pretty much the gospel, it's not an exaggeration to say every single paragraph of every section was shockingly relevant and immediately applicable.

https://www.distributed-systems.net/index.php/books/ds4/

[vapid violet]

Thanks 👍 Will look at this tomorrow

[wicked turret]

hey guys

oop dead chat nvm

[smoky quest]

indeed. Though asking a question or bringing up a topic would give an opportunity for the dead to rise up

[wicked turret]

so uh im a bit new to python and i havent coded in a few months

what can I do to jog my memory?
any projects i can do? what are some beginner friendly projects

[inner wren]

Resources

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[smoky quest]

sounds like a better fit for #python-discussion than #career-advice

[wicked turret]

ah. my mistake. i thought this was like the general of this server

[jaunty helm]

can you tell how can i learn pyhton in free

python*

[jaunty helm]

helo fuckinng fellows

[smoky quest]

sounds like a better fit for #python-discussion than #career-advice

[jaunty helm]

tell fast

[smoky quest]

fast

[jaunty helm]

yesss

plzz tell how can i learn python full in free

[smoky quest]

sounds like a better fit for #python-discussion than #career-advice

[jaunty helm]

dont copy paste

FUCK YOUUU

[smoky quest]

If you do not invest the time in asking in the proper place when pointed at the right place, I see no reason to invest my time answering your question

[jaunty helm]

plzz tell what to ask

[smoky quest]

this is not the place to shitpost

[jaunty helm]

and where

[smoky quest]

probably #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[verbal harbor]

Hi there

[marble portal]

Hey guys, I am beginner python programmer, Is there anyone to discuss about Python that which sort of concepts can make us able to build any kind of projects in Python? Anyone that is also a beginner and want to talk as both friends?

[lime tree]

my question is should I learn object oriented programing rn or later, with the road im trying to take

[next goblet]

this isnt strictly python related but

what is better , going to a research college or going to a engineering college for computer science

[white relic]

are "research college" and "engineering college" formal terms in your country?

[next goblet]

yess

[white relic]

And where would that be?
You'll probably want to get perspective from someone who knows the local employment market

[next goblet]

India , and no I wont be looking for jobs in my country as in India research graduates are practically unemployable

[balmy mural]

Other countries won't always know the difference between the types of universities. But if research grads are unemployable, I'd assume engineering college prepares you a lot better for the workforce, regardless of which country you want to work in

[next goblet]

no i dont mean the quality of education that research grads get, that is actually good and students get a lot of phd offers from foreign unis but the thing is in India there are no jobs or extremely low paying jobs for researchers. Its a cultural thing. Neither the government nor the private companies spend much on r&d and academia

[fringe sphinx]

You should learn programming, which includes understanding how classes work. Learning 'OOP' can mean a lot of things (from merely classes, to designing the entire application with an OOP model). So yes, learn classes early because they're a building block you'll often see

[balmy mural]

I'm also not talking about quality of education. But it sounds like one will prepare you for traditional software jobs a lot better than the other. If you have a bigger interest in academia, then it's something you should consider. But worldwide there's significantly less jobs and they pay less when compared to traditional software jobs

[next goblet]

my question is ig more general in the sense that what would be better for a person interested in computer science , academia or corporate job or what questions should I ask myself that would make it clear to me

[lime tree]

thx mr billybobby

[zinc stone]

How to build an online audience? Like followers on twitter?

[near ocean]

A twitter audience isnt really a career, but you do that by posting interesting things i assume

[zinc stone]

Yea its not a career but it will help me build a career

[balmy mural]

I've never seen anyone put their amount of Twitter followers on a CV :p

[zinc stone]

-_-

What if I were to start my business later? Its good to have an online audience it helps u market ur product

[balmy mural]

I think naturally growing your online audience by posting high quality and interesting content is the best way then. I've also checked out socials of some people that host interesting talks at conferences if they share their socials. But personally I don't think just having a large online audience will make a big difference in marketting your product

[zinc stone]

I am bad at marketing so uh idk much

all i know is its good to have an audience, especially on twitter since its known for being a good platform for freelancers.

i have friends who make $10k+ by simply posting what they are offering and people come to them

but the thing is they have 1k+ followers and i have literally "1" follower :/

[balmy mural]

If you have friends that are so successful in online marketing, why not reach out to them and ask them for advice?

[wraith harbor]

they get $10k from the blue check?

[zinc stone]

one of my friends i know isnt verified and he makes $10k+

[zinc stone]

I ask them. They just tell me to work hard and one of them just says I am lazy and im just not working enough

like id like to ask them how to grew from 0 to 1k followers but they just call me lazy instead of giving advice

[balmy mural]

I also highly doubt 10k+ is made from 1k follower accounts. Plugging it into calculators you'd need on average about 40 million impressions per day to make that. Sounds more like "influencer" lifestyle where people are showing off a lavish lifestyle and claiming it's due to their online presence, but the actual source of the money is very likely something completely different

[zinc stone]

I may have exaggerated it but I can say for sure its $5k+ and even that is alot per month.

One of them is a gfx artist for **roblox **.... 😩

[proud glacier]

I don't think the claim is that they're making money just from the social media platform. They use it to promote their freelance work which brings in clients worth $10k.
To what extent that claim is true, who knows.

[wraith harbor]

the people i see who are successful on social media either post memes or rage bait

[balmy mural]

Aha, that would make more sense

[zinc stone]

yeah thats what i meant

[zinc stone]

i can actually link u to one of my friend's twitter profile

if that doesnt count as advertising

[balmy mural]

Well, I do know some smaller artists who freelance. They share their work on socials (a lot avoid Twitter due to copyright reasons) and promote themselves in other circles where there could be overlap with artwork. DND groups love commissioning custom art of their characters for example. My own profile pic is some art I commissioned from someone with a cool art style that I met in a mutual discord server.
However, all of them do it as a stepping stone into a stable job, or to supplement their normal income. Because 5k+ just from freelancing on social media is not normal. Art is also a completely different field than software, so the same rules for freelancing do not apply

[misty kiln]

Is there public stats about of how much is the % of people that makes money out coding when they finally are ready?

[balmy mural]

What is the bar for being ready? If you're passing interviews and getting job offers, you're probably ready. If you're not getting past interviews, you're probably not ready.
There are however statistics like these that show 6.1% of computer science graduates are unemployed for the united states: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/16/college-majors-with-the-best-and-worst-employment-prospects.html

[misty kiln]

Damn 6.1% is nothing. That's really low. So it's good I guess

[hearty igloo]

Hello?

I am new here and going through a journey of machine learning

[icy pagoda]

mathmaxxing

good luck!

[near ocean]

I dont think thats a very accurate figure
Most of my team (6/9) and the company (~100 people) arent CS grads, i dont think its a meaningful metric to use

[proud glacier]

are you talking about the 6.1%?

[wild pendant]

@olive python

[near ocean]

yea, its 6.1% of CS grads that are unemployed but there are a lot of devs that arent from a CS background

[vapid jay]

i’m doing a science biology based degree and doing coding on the side, is it possible to become a software engineer despite having a completely different background ? (i’m starting to hate bio and chem as it is )

[near ocean]

yes its possible, might be a bit more difficult though

[vapid jay]

do i need certificates ect or can i just develop projects ect and use them to display i’m somewhat good ?

okay cool, but is it advisable to a do a degree related to software engineering or computing after my current degree ? i genuinely don’t wanna do anything with bio or chem when i graduate tbh

[ripe geyser]

Hello,need help
I finished learning the basics of python and now I don't know what to do with this knowledge
Should I keep learning the entirety of py or do project

[peak halo]

do a project. it's not necessary to know "the entirety".

[vapid jay]

fairs, you are amazing, ty for the advice

[ripe geyser]

Thx, but where do I find projects
Do I ask chatgpt or YouTube or should I make my own idea

[peak halo]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

Hi,
I've learned the basics of Python and practice regularly, but I am unsure of what else I can do to help me get a job in the future. Can you please suggest a roadmap for what to learn or focus on after Python?

[brazen willow]

I'm new also but from what I've heard just doing projects that are increasingly difficult to show progress also doing courses that might give you certification can help

Depending on how old you are can look for freelance jobs too or if you're not in uni try think if you wanna do a degree in the field

If you are in uni maybe ask your teachers if there's anything they may need help with that could use a programmer to even gain that experience

Ok now I ask my question

[vapid jay]

@fringe sphinx

[brazen willow]

So I started learning python a few days ago. I have no background in programming. I've only learnt how to Matlab gams and gproms at a surface level in my first year of uni(chem eng). I started reading python crash course by Eric matthes. Am I correct to assume learning a coding language is not the same as learning about programming?

i want to develop my skills to be better in the engineering field which is what I plan to work in

[fringe sphinx]

Don't think of it as a roadmap, but a character skill tree in a video game: you can grow your skills in different topics, and when you gain enough skills, you level up 🙂

Some ideas: build a calculator, or a snake game, or a web app, or a weather app using a publicly available api, or draw fractals, or build a simple http server.

!Kim has more ideas

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

Thank you for your kind response and the information.

[brazen willow]

https://tenor.com/view/its-like-im-invisible-kanel-joseph-its-like-they-dont-see-me-im-like-transparent-to-them-they-kind-of-dont-notice-me-gif-27114458

[tender badge]

Hey guys. Does anyone want to partner up to work on a side-project (webdev) together? Hit me up if you're interested.

[vapid jay]

Sorry, I'm new here too, so I'm not sure how to help.

[brazen willow]

Nono dw I was just being dramatic with the gif I'll just wait till someone replies there's no bad feelings 👍

[vapid jay]

Glad to hear there's no bad vibes! Hopefully someone replies soon — you deserve answers!

[lavish violet]

A programming language is a tool you can use to solve programming problems. Programming concepts are transferable for example if you know what arrays are, you can easily figure them out in other languages. You can learn both at the same time by studying programming concepts and solving problems using a specific language.

[amber lagoon]

Is there any senior ML engineer? I need mentorship and guidance

[formal rapids]

what did you want to learn Neko? any specific aspect

@amber lagoon

[amber lagoon]

Like I am currently working on LLMs and gen ai…I want to move forward to model fine tuning etc

[formal rapids]

do you already have a sizable dataset to work with?

[amber lagoon]

Yes I have

[formal rapids]

when you say you want to work on fine tuning are you working off an already created Model?

or you want to get into the tokenizing yourself?

I'm in Voice chat 0 if your verified

[amber lagoon]

I want to get into it

[formal rapids]

joining up? its a bit of a major topic over text chat and I'd need more detail to help better

[brazen willow]

Would you recommend doing the cs50x to hone programming skills in general or stick to learning python rn

[amber lagoon]

Yeah sure

[brazen willow]

Thanks!

[lavish violet]

I never did cs50x myself so I can’t speak for taking it but I would recommend learning enough from resources whether that’s cs50x, youtube, google, etc and then applying that to something you are passionate about or are involved with. Since you mentioned the engineering field, you could use programming to solve something in chem eng, even if it’s as simple as a program to check your university homework.

[glad quarry]

can someone help me i'm begginer

[wraith harbor]

in this case you just need to get rid of the word the. but in the future try to go to #1035199133436354600 or #python-discussion for help

[glad quarry]

ok bro thanks

i should remove (the)

[sacred hollow]

why is swe so over saturated??

[harsh river]

low Barrier to entry + high reward
pandemic hiring bubble
bootcamps

[sacred hollow]

elaborate plz

I’m ux and bus tech but I work w swe on our project and I’m curious why so many cs grads r unemployed if they did all the rly hard coding class work?

i thought cs was the thing to do

[pine sleet]

i thought cs was the thing to do
i think this is the cause lol

[harsh river]

low Barrier to entry + high reward
you don’t need a formal degree anymore, this allows for a far higher number of applicants
bootcamps
programming bootcamps make it very easy to get a programming education without a formal degree in a fraction of the time, makes it easy to pump a high number of devs

pandemic hiring bubble
companies hired like crazy during the pandemic expecting that we were going to go all digital for a while and this more expected demand for people maintaining / working on systems

i'm not sure what UX / bus tech is and what you do there

bootcamps

[sacred hollow]

Whenever I describe informatics to someone who has no clue, I describe it as the person at the meeting table who is the bridge between development and business. I can take business requirements and understand them, then translate them into technical acceptance criteria

It’s like a European thing lol

[harsh river]

oh like a Product Manager

[harsh river]

i would argue that getting a CS degree doesn't make you qualified to get a job in the field, furthermore, it also doesn't qualify you to be a SWE, i've always seen CS as the more theoretical sides of things and SWE the applied

[balmy spade]

It's not just a European thing. That was my last role before my current. The ability to connect with both the customer (client) and the dev teams is invaluable.

[sacred hollow]

WAIT WHY?? Cs and oop and syntax errors r so hard like that’s insane im confused bc when i took ap CSP and A and java and python in hs i thought cs was the best thing u could be doing rn what happened??

Also I met informatics is my major and is more popular in Europe as a study then in the us i think their r like 5 good informatics schools in the us atm

[balmy spade]

Maybe. I'm not an expert in schools. I just know that the role and skill tree you are describing. I lean on those at my workplace heavily. Finding someone who can think within both scopes is always a benefit to a project.

[lilac yoke]

major in electrical engineering if you want to do something that is so hard you’ll be hired if even you graduate lol

[sacred hollow]

Lol I’m an aspiring product manager
(PMO)

But ik the best pm’s r engineers so I was just curious why cs is so over saturated bc the last time I was on discord it was significantly less ap cs ppl

Also what is the hype for consulting and swe??

So is the reason swe is high unemployment is bc of ai or bc of the off shoring ??

[sacred hollow]

LMAO how did yk

[harsh river]

you won't get a single answer because truth is, any of hundred things could be truth

[vapid jay]

Yo anyone know any good books or online forms I can print out to learn coding without being online? I got a concussion and cant be online for like 2 weeks and I wanna learn how to code

It would be better if they were something I could print, instead of buying a whole book

[balmy spade]

Neither, both, but not one or the other. Unemployment is complicated. There is never one cause.

[real cypress]

I'm down

[misty mountain]

Pls somebody know how to repeat the same code

[harsh river]

ask in #python-discussion

[misty mountain]

ok thanks you

[true lily]

Is it worth to do full stack now

wed dev dying because of ai ?

[smoky quest]

web dev is not dying

[true lily]

Then

[smoky quest]

then it is not dying

[true lily]

So should I go for full stack ?

[smoky quest]

if that's what you enjoy the most, then sure

Note that in terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[true lily]

Idk I just started college sem 1 I know python

[smoky quest]

At your stage:

• Keep up the great grades
• Explore the field. There is far more to it than webdev or fullstack

[true lily]

Yes sometime I think of doing ai ml sometime cyber security

[smoky quest]

yes and so many more!

[true lily]

I learnt python my sem 1 exams are going on from sem 2 should I do dsa or learn c++

[smoky quest]

you can't do either python or c++ or any other language without DSA.
So I would go for DSA

[true lily]

What

[smoky quest]

you can't do either python or c++ or any other language without DSA.
So I would go for DSA

[true lily]

What do u mean

[smoky quest]

about what?

[true lily]

I mean shoul I start learning c++ or start doing dsa from python

[smoky quest]

you can't do either python or c++ or any other language without DSA.
So I would go for DSA

repeating the same question will only yield the same answer

[true lily]

Dsa with python or dsa with c++

[smoky quest]

it doesn't matter

[true lily]

Some of my class mates says don't do dsa with python

[smoky quest]

backtracking will work the same way
DP will work the same way
...

By the end of your college, you will have learned both anyway

so start with whatever is easiest for you

If all your classmates are going for c++, then using c++ means you can get more help from your friends

[modest kraken]

When you learn to code you don’t learn to code you learn to think

[timber lion]

Hello everyone, I am new to python programming language as in the intermediate-advanced level. I am familiar with all the basics. Can someone please guide me if I should enroll myself in CS50's python course for adequate practical knowledge and skills

[modest kraken]

Intermediate-advanced and taking cs50 don’t go together 😭 but yes you should and make your own projects

[timber lion]

Idk, the website says you don't need much prior coding knowledge before enrolling in cs50p

[modest kraken]

Yes you don’t, so do it

[timber lion]

@modest kraken um, okay. Thanks for the suggestion! 🫱🏻‍🫲🏻

[twilit harbor]

i use c++ but just mainly because i am interested in low latency work

[verbal harbor]

Hi sir. I am a frontend dev. I wish work with you.

[pseudo sage]

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[white relic]

Hello!
This channel is for career advice. This server isn't a place where you can advertise or look for work. But if you want a resume review or have other concerns about your career path, education, and so on you may feel free to ask for advice here.

[hallow kindle]

How can i get fiverr orders

anyone who is familiar or can refer me can dm me

[crisp stream]

@hallow kindle, ^

[hallow kindle]

Then i would only like to get advice on how to get your first fiverr gig order

[fast fossil]

Quick survey:
I'm rather curious as to why specifically you were under that impression
For example, did you notice the #python-discussion channel? If yes, why didn't you think that was the general chat? Especially considering what this server is about. Did that channel being under the Lobby category confuse you? Did this channel being the first one under the Discussion category make you think this was the "general chat"? Was it something else? What?

[zinc stone]

I think he got confused by the "Discussion" category name

[hearty island]

i turned down the crypto firm offer

[near ocean]

in this economy?

[hearty island]

yep

[arctic iron]

Hi, could anyone take a moment here on this resume. I would be thankful for any suggestions.

https://app.enhancv.com/share/b14b0540/?utm_medium=growth&utm_campaign=share-resume&utm_source=dynamic

[open ivy]

I never understood working two (full time) jobs to get by for more than a few months. Unless you really like your work.

Choice 1: Work two jobs, don't have a life or time for taking care of kids etc.

Choice 2: Keep one job and focus on your passion and reaching out to people, maybe have a life.

[arctic iron]

Thanks for taking a look @open ivy, I am working with a B2B company where I get to work with Start-ups on contract basis, which are usually from 6 months to an year.

[open ivy]

The resume is slightly wordy.

Maybe bold a few keywords?

Some people hate two columns resume, but I don't care I think that is one of those bike shedding fallacies.

Skills is a bit long. Which ones are your primary skills? Bold those.

The descriptios of the jobs are nice and specific. If you could add quantitative numbers they would be even better.

[arctic iron]

This helps so much, @open ivy. Thanks for your suggestions.

I liked, highlighting the primary skills and notable keywords. Thanks!

[lilac yoke]

You should not use two columns in a resume

The skills section takes up far too much space as well. Unless you are in a non majority speaking country, don’t list English

[open ivy]

Why do people hate on two columns? Both one and two columns seem fine, it doesn't make it harder for me to read it.

[lilac yoke]

The emojis and other symbols are useless as well. Stick to text and dividers

[wraith harbor]

1 col is more reliable for ats systems

[lilac yoke]

Leave a space at the top of the resume to write a short summary of qualifications paragraph, where you can hit all of the job postings key words as well.

[arctic iron]

Thanks for looking into this, @lilac yoke. Will definitely look into your suggestions.

[balmy mural]

I've generally been under the impression that people working two full time jobs are people who have to do it to cover basic costs of living. If one job isn't going to fully cover all of your basic needs, two jobs is the fastest way to increase your income while trying to find more sustainable options

[open ivy]

So it is only a short-term thing, and then you get out of it. As long as you set clear limits on how long you will do it. Because if you don't limit working your body will limit it for you.

[near ocean]

There are many tiers of multiple employment
There are people who work a bunch of part time jobs
There are people with a full time job and an unrelated part time to cover more bills
There are people who work multiple full time jobs, in the same field and get paid a lot more, its risky, your company has to allow it or at least not forbid, you need to balance two schedules with meetings and such but you get paid 2x salaries

Its not something you could sustain forever, usually a couple years at a time

[open ivy]

Two part-time jobs is an interesting idea but yes two full-time jobs is not sustainable except if you love the work.

[near ocean]

I doubt they do it for the love of the game, more like to get to retirement faster

[nova fiber]

how do i know what error am i having in my code

if it just says runtime error

[true harness]

often the people in this situation don't have a choice of how long they work two jobs

[open ivy]

Burnout will hit and then it will be impossible to continue no matter how bad it is to stop.

[near ocean]

For people who work part time jobs on top burnout wont pause their bills while they recover

[peak halo]

This is the career discussion channel. Try following the instructions in #❓｜how-to-get-help

[nova fiber]

was just asking a general question

[peak halo]

Your messages always need to be relevant to the channel topic. Be sure to always read the channel description.

[open ivy]

This is why burnout is so dangerous and people need to know their limits to avoid it.

[near ocean]

Idk what people could do about it if they cant afford life

[open ivy]

Avoiding burnout by setting limits is best for long-term productivity and avoiding losing jobs and income in the first place.

[wraith harbor]

The people who work like that don't have the privilege to care about burn out

[open ivy]

They still will burnout and be unable to continue unless they really like their work. Generally I think sustained two full-time jobs is very rare for this reason. Many smokers are unable to quit no matter how much they need to quit.

[peak halo]

I used to work in food service and had coworkers who were drowning in debt. They didn't have the option to "set limits".

[open ivy]

I wonder if they were in debt because they didn't take on a second full-time job? I am talking about what is possible not what is needed. Smokers really need to quit, lung cancer is literally life and death, yet many don't quit. Burnout works the same way. It doens't "care" about needs.

But a second full-time job to avoid a debt spiral would be just as bad if not worse because they would have no resources left and would burn out.

[wraith harbor]

Imagine you have debt, no degree, bills to pay and a child to feed. And stocking shelves for 6 hours and then doing food service 6 more is just enough money to stay afloat. What would you do in that situation

[sacred hollow]

Does anyone have an ats friendly template I can use?

[open ivy]

I probably would fail and be thrown on the street assuming no family to live with. There are enormous amounts of tents and RVs in the bay area because it is an extremely desirable area and housing costs are through the roof. Many of these people work. I would consider this not to be a failure on my part since life is just unfair.

But here is what I would try to do:

60 hours a week is marginal and whether I could continue depends on commutes and how intense these hours are. Lets say I got the sense I could safely continue for two years.

Lets also assume I was very good at frugality and had already really beaten off the social media addiction (which I am making progress IRL), applied to food stamps and other raid, and otherwise used up all these options and still barely afloat.

Lets also say my passion was art (which does not benefit from a strong formal education as much as STEM). I would sneak in a small pen and paper into the shelf-stocking job and then do it in short bursts during breaks. This may be against the rules, but I would be kind to others (my strongest social skill is not lashing out at others when times get tough) and quiet and do the best to work hard. So there would be a cost of firing me.

Then I would reach out to people at work, online, and maybe in-person, joining communities etc which I currently do. I would focus on a few minutes each week as time would be precious (if homeless, library computers may help) and frequency to build up familiar faces is more important that duration.

With luck, I could commission enough art (even if it was in advertising or other fields that are not exactly as "fun" but beggars can't be choosers) to eventually get replace one of these jobs and stay afloat.

[wraith harbor]

yeah its a tough life. i might move to the bay area soon so ill be curious to see what its like

[wraith harbor]

any of the generic 1 column ones are good, since everyone uses those. i use Jake's Resume

[sacred hollow]

Is product management oversaturated???

Can someone tell me what the path to pm was for them

[open ivy]

Homeless are everywhere. One of the highest rates on Earth.

Because the bay area is a wonderful place! Very good transit by US standards. Excellent climate even as climate change continues, with powerful microclimates so you can often choose fog or sun. Access to the ocean and beaches, as well as mountains. More so than anywhere on the East coast as they don't have a coastal range. Incredibly city life and most cities are fairly safe. Ethnic food from every ethnicity on Earth it feels like with thousands of restaurants.

If you can afford the money of housing or the lack of safety of a tent you will love it.

[sacred hollow]

Deedy vs Jake’s?

[open ivy]

Going back to actually getting decent jobs here...

I think ATS optimization is overrated unless the resume is exceptionally strong. Because the odds drop exponentially with the number of applicants. If there are 200 applicants and I beat 90% of them, which is doing pretty well, do I get a reasonable 1/20 or so chance of being chosen? NO! The odds of beating 199 people in a row at 90%ile is under one in a billion! In reality, it is not quite so bad but still a very remote chance. As long as the keywords are there it should be fine for humans giving a quick 6 second scan.

The solution to such remote odds is to avoid areas with such extreme competition. I usually prefer just making connections over shared interests. It's still a numbers game but without the exponentially decreasing probabilities.

But giving up completely on applying is not necessary. I can try to "look past the algorithm" to find obscure companies. Social media is very unfair in who gets seen, the average person gets ten times less than average attention. If online job postings are in a similar unfair situation, then half of them only have 20 applicants (given an average of 200) but those will not be the easy ones to find because they have trash SEO.

Another strat is to try to set up a 5-10 min talk before the application. This puts you in a much smaller pool. Sure, many people won't get back to you, but each one you do get will count far more.

[smoky quest]

are you in tech?

[wraith harbor]

yeah i do mobile dev

[smoky quest]

then it will be fun!

[wraith harbor]

yeah it will be exciting if i end up going through with it

[wraith harbor]

the conventional wisdom is to not use 2 column resumes because theyre bad for ats. idk if its been empirically tested but i stick to 1 column because thats what people say

[smoky quest]

yeah that's true

[wraith harbor]

if i have an interview at a restaurant, if i get there first should i wait for the interviewer before getting a table?
not really an interview but like a business conversation

[sacred hollow]

swe pm or consulting?

Which one is the safest

[smoky quest]

first one to arrive grabs a table

They might have made a reservation too. So to keep that in mind

[smoky quest]

one is a role, the other is a type of employment.
That's comparing apples to oranges.

Safety is also ill defined as in software, they rarely require your presence in dangerous areas

[wraith harbor]

makes sense thank you

[open ivy]

Its a shame because I like the two column aesthetic of having jobs on one side and having skills on the other.

Honestly there is so much superstition without empirical tests because empirical tests are hard. How many people have seen studies where they compare these, carefully control other variables, etc? Only for name bias did I see that.

You simply can't get the sample size of A/B testing! Lets say you get 100% rejection/ghost from both A and B, which is better? No idea. Lets say A gets one hit. It is way too small a sample size to draw conclusions.

This is ((yet) another) advantage of "my find shared interests with people" strat is that I get so much feedback that A/B testing has improved myself social skills wise, still quite slowly as A/B is a very slow strategy inherently.

[smoky quest]

I use ATSes all the time and I assure you they can't handle multiple columns. You don't need A/B testing for that

[open ivy]

Remember that 99% of us never see any ATS's, even the online ones may be very out of date.

How many applications per position do you typically see? What information does the ATS return that the HR people use?

[smoky quest]

Remember that 99% of us never see any ATS's, even the online ones may be very out of date.

annnnd that's why I am telling you 😉
It's not that deep.

How many applications per position do you typically see? What information does the ATS return that the HR people use?

Multiple thousands of applications per position. Applications come at an even faster rate for internships as they can cross that in a matter of days, while FTE may take at least one to a few weeks.

And the ATS is a tracking system. So you can see their past applications, interviews (including results), and other applications they have

ATSes are also useful to get a global view of your pipeline with informations like:

• Source of application (linkedin vs indeed vs website)
• The state of your pipeline (ex: X applied, Y in the initial call, Z in interview, etc.)
• This is more for HR, but there can be modules to also look at the diversity of the candidates in the pipeline

[open ivy]

"Multiple thousands of applications per position."

Why the hell would it even be worth sending applications at this point? That is deep into the "exponential falloff region" where the chances drop way below 1/the number of applications because only the very top positions are chosen.

I think you made it clear that sending cold applications is not the strat at all, use it very sparingly if there is a near-perfect match to years of specific industry experience.

Do you work at a company with market cap >$1Bn so it is fairly well known? Maybe smaller companies get less.

[smoky quest]

I usually work at smaller tech companies. So I am sure the large companies get even more applicants.

But the strategy is to be better than your competition and have your resume making it clear.
Also most of the resumes are trash, so while the numbers look big, your pool for competition is much smaller

[open ivy]

"But the strategy is to be better than your competition"

Honestly it is so competative that I don't think I can win this particular game.

I don't have the years of specific experience to really do this, regardless of resume tuning. Out of the multiple thousand there will be at least 50 or so who have multiple jobs in very similar fields and easily beat me given my short history.

I am better off finding people with shared interests, building my portfolio, etc and hoping for the best. That doesn't require being hyper-competitive.

[smoky quest]

The amount of energy you want to put into it is entirely up to you.
But if you go in with the mindset you won't succeed, then it's likely to become true

[open ivy]

Yes I need to focus on what is good about my community-building rather than what is bad about sending out applications, so that if I spot a good match I will jump on it and hope for the best.

[wraith harbor]

have you tried sending out a bunch of resumes? you might get better results than you think

[open ivy]

Yes but it failed miserably. I was much more optimistic at the start.

I also had nothing to show for it. No connections, no meaningful lessons learned, negligible human interaction.

[forest silo]

Hi, so i'm a teen and I want to do Robotics more specifically cobots, I am working on a certain AI project but don't really know if I should study robotics or AI in University, or if i should just do online school. Please any suggestions?

collaborative robots

[smoky quest]

In terms of robotics, I would assume an online school might not be that practical 😉

But yes, in terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation. An AI degree will focus more on the AI at the cost of stuff related to robotics

[forest silo]

Okay, thank you guys for the feedback!

[heavy trench]

Any of you guys have any experience with freelancing?

[sacred bloom]

Has anyone here ever cold approached financial companies with no tech or IT team offering them automation and efficiency services?

[peak halo]

Why do you ask? It's best to ask a question that someone can start answering.

[prime oar]

hi

[deft herald]

Do those companies exist?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah. I work with many of them.

[deft herald]

Scary

[fringe sphinx]

There's many service providers to fill the back office stuff. You too could start a hedge fund with just finance ppl

[deft herald]

Yeah ok so they out source it

[fringe sphinx]

Yup. And lots of excel spreadsheets

[sacred bloom]

A lot actually. At least in my country.

[sacred bloom]

Hey can I DM you?

[fringe sphinx]

I don't dm, sorry

[sacred bloom]

It's okay. Just wanted some advice on cold approaching them. Like what to say and how to persuade them that they need such services.

[fringe sphinx]

The 'trick' to sales is to get -them- talkings

It's also the hard part: to be able to open up the discussion and for them to see you as credible

Once you get them talking, it's often easy to find an opportunity

[sacred bloom]

I'm using email tho.

[heavy trench]

I was more just looking for someone w experience to chat with / give me some pointers in the right direction😅

For example, what line of programming is best to get into for freelancing? Im relatively new but i want to specialize myself in something thats both profitable and has good learning value

[teal flare]

hello, nice to meet you
I wanna gotta know you

[summer roost]

@remote crater It seems like you're assuming that interviewers put much greater stock in leetcode than they actually do. No one cares whether someone is the best leetcode solver, because that's not really a skill that translates to doing well at the job. Interviewers care whether you can code, and whether you can break down and solve a problem. "Leetcode-style" - that is, algorithms-based - problems are only used because they're a fairly level playing field for comparing candidates on, given that pretty much every candidate will have taken a data structures and algorithms class at some point, and so should be able to come up with some solution to the problem in the time constrained setting of an interview

[lilac yoke]

It's likely we see a pivot from the traditional leetcode interview by this next college recruiting season. Companies have had time to adapt since the recent anti-interview cheats have come out

[remote crater]

I need to become good at leetcode or I won't have a job. I couldn't even solve the trading stock problem.

[summer roost]

if you don't ask candidates to write any code, you hire people who can't code. If you ask candidates to write code that requires knowledge of some framework, you would miss out on candidates who don't know that framework but could learn it quickly. Algorithms-style questions are just the easiest baseline to compare people on

[summer roost]

I expect much of that pivot will just be back to in-person interviewing, the way we did things a decade ago

[lilac yoke]

I'm seeing more interviews where they tell you to make something with a API documentation they give you, on their own internal platform, and encourage the use of AI

I was just talking to someone from where I work who lead the charge on building an internal platform for that

[summer roost]

I've heard of some of that, but I think it's really hard to scale

in the sense of, continually coming up with new problems so that candidates don't just leak the description of the problem to each other in advance

[lilac yoke]

Well, if you don't have the API it doesn't really matter if you know what the problem is

[summer roost]

that was always a problem with leetcode, but it was cheap to have a pool of hundreds of a different leetcode problems that interviewers might choose from, and anyone who memorized all of them probably learned the skills

[summer roost]

That seems unlikely to me - I'd expect candidates to be able to describe the key features of the API they were pointed at to other candidates in a way that makes it pretty clear how the work is meant to be done

[lilac yoke]

The interviewer can pivot mid interview if you are solving it easily, introduce different constraints

[remote crater]

https://neetcode.io/solutions/longest-repeating-character-replacement

[balmy spade]

At my company, getting a leetcode style question wrong in an interview is far from the worst outcome we expect. We're using the questions to understand a lot more about the candidate than just their programming skills.

[summer roost]

anyway, my point with this is - it's hard to give different candidates different questions of this sort, so you're really opening yourself up to a different sort of cheating - instead of candidates using AI without telling you, you're back to candidates passing information through backchannels to tell other candidates how to succeed.

[summer roost]

indeed, I'd rather see a candidate struggle than get it right on the first try, I learn more that way. If they get it right on the first try, I'm likely to just cut them off before they even finish coding it and move onto a different one

[remote crater]

Why does this work?

            while (r - l + 1) - maxf > k:
                count[s[l]] -= 1
                l += 1

Why does this help when you MIGHT DECREMENT THE MOST FREQUENT CHARACTER?

[summer roost]

that's not really a question for #career-advice - better for a help channel or #algos-and-data-structs

[remote crater]

But I need to get good at this shit in order to have a career.

[summer roost]

no, you don't, and that what everyone who has practice interviewing has been telling you

[remote crater]

And also learn ten trillion different languages / frameworks / libraries /

Because companies don't train anyone anymore.

[balmy spade]

Yes we do. We have to. There isn't really a choice.

[summer roost]

I work pretty closely with some professional trainers

[lilac yoke]

I'm being trained by a company right now 😄

If you call 40 comments on a PR training

[summer roost]

anyway, as regards learning many different languages / frameworks / libraries, it's helpful if you know the tech that the company is usuing, but definitely not necessary. The best candidate could easily be one who has never worked in the language we're using

[lilac yoke]

(joke) everywhere I have interned has had incredible mentorship

[remote crater]

Every job I see on indeed says "must have n years experience in (random thing I've never even heard of before"

[summer roost]

you should ignore that

when they write the job ad, they've got some picture in their head of what skills the perfect candidate will have. If you're closer to that, great. But as you say, the odds are pretty high that no one meets that description. They'll choose from among the candidates who apply, based on who they perceive to be the most likely to be able to succeed at the job despite their weak points

[remote crater]

Okay, then I should focus more on algorithms first

You guys keep saying it doesn't matter, but I'm very bad at them.

[summer roost]

have you taken a data structures and algorithms course?

[remote crater]

Yeah, but it only taught surface level knowledge. The teacher even said "take a look at leetcode, because this class is only an intro into this".

We solved like ~10-20 problems, and we walked through all of them.

[lilac yoke]

neetcode is the best platform to continue learning with

[remote crater]

I'm trying

Also a lot of the class was dedicated to mathematical analysis and understanding what "O(whatever)" means mathematically.

[summer roost]

that sounds like a terrible course - 10-20 problems should be like one homework set...

you may just need to find a good course online to help fill in some of those blanks

[remote crater]

The college I went to was basically a scam.

Everything was surface level. They didn't teach us anything. It was a scam.

[summer roost]

I mean, if that's the case, wouldn't you agree that any hiring pipeline that's filtering you out is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing?

I'm not trying to be mean, just pointing out the obvious - if you learned very little from college, you're behind basically every other candidate

[remote crater]

Actually, I shouldn't really say my specific college was a scam. I don't think you can teach people what they need to be taught to be hirable via a school, so it's more just the nature of the field.

[summer roost]

perhaps, but it sounds like you learned significantly less from your DS&A course than a typical grad

[remote crater]

Other users have said that. "You should have been self-teaching during your free time, college isn't enough".

[summer roost]

that's true to some degree, and for some skills, but DS&A isn't one of them, really. You're supposed to learn algorithms in class, which is what makes it a good baseline for comparing candidates

you can't really learn, say, software architecture in class. You need to build stuff and read stuff to level up that skill. But that's not particularly true for data structures and algorithms - that is a very teachable skill

[remote crater]

I think there's more to it than that. I know about two-pointer / sliding window, but still couldn't solve the stock trading problem even though it was explicitly saying "use two-pointer".

You can have the tools and still not be able to figure out how they help you.

Like if you put a crow and a house cat together, and stick some food in a pipe, and give them a long stick. The crow will figure it out, the cat will just be lost and not know what to do.

[summer roost]

I mean, sure, that's true. If you're not able to decompose problems and solve them even when you're told the specific approach to use, that doesn't bode well...

[remote crater]

I know that

[summer roost]

what sort of projects have you worked on? Is it just algorithms that you get hung up on? Can you generally build stuff?

[remote crater]

I guess so. I haven't made that much.

[summer roost]

I guess what I'm trying to dig into is whether it's your coding skills in general that need polishing or your algorithms skills in particular. It sounds more like the former than the latter, tbh - most of "algorithms skills" just comes down to identifying the right algorithm to use. If you can't do it even knowing the algorithm, I'm not sure it's more leetcode that you need

[remote crater]

Actually, when they taught us about patterns, they basically just said "there's a shitload of them, and here's a few of them", so I'm probably bad at that too.

[summer roost]

"patterns" as in design patterns? bridge, singleton, decorator, etc?

[remote crater]

Yes

They basically claimed that there's no way to learn all of them, you just pick them up as you write more and more programs.

[summer roost]

yeah, I think that's one of the hard-to-teach ones. I think that's a skill that most people learn by reading other people's code

yeah, I basically agree with that

they're hard to learn in the abstract, and much easier to understand when you look at a real codebase that has really applied them

[remote crater]

Then I just need to learn leetcode.

I don't have an issue writing programs.

[summer roost]

ok. Well, if that's the case, there's some pinned messages in #algos-and-data-structs that link to resources that are useful for learning data structures and algorithms

[remote crater]

Can any of you tell me why this doesn't break the algorithm? It doesn't make any sense why this works.

[smoky quest]

leetcode is just about writing some algorithms. So not being able to use DSA would impair your ability to write complex programs

So what you could do:

• Pick up a book on DSA, read it and do the exercises
• You can do some hackerrank/leetcode/codingame to practice on the DSA. But in terms of interviews, if you have done the first step of reading a book on DSA, you don't need to grind anything, just to practice a bit
• Continue to do projects

[harsh river]

so if someone has never done leetcode then they wouldn't have a day, is that right?

[remote crater]

All the employed people say 99.9% of the time they don't need to deal with anything like what's shown on leetcode.

[smoky quest]

I am employed and have never said that

[remote crater]

Plus even when you do, you have the luxury of thinking it over for a while, talking to your coworkers about it, looking up solutions online.

[smoky quest]

That's coping.

Interview questions are expected to be aimed at being solved within the allocated timeframe

[remote crater]

What does that have to do with what you deal with on the job?

[smoky quest]

Either way, I am confused about the discussion.
If you want to succeed at leetcode, I would still recommend #career-advice message

Beyond that, if you are here to tell us how it works, then sure, that's your right to state your opinion

[smoky quest]

Are you asking how are datastructures and algorithms related to software engineering jobs?

[remote crater]

Does your boss come in and say "IF YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW TO CONVINCE N MONKEYS TO TRADE M BANANAS IN O(1) TIME IN THE NEXT 30 MINUTES, YOU'RE FIRED"?

[smoky quest]

Your are mixing multiple concepts here:

• In terms of DSA, choosing the wrong datastructure or wrong algorithm could make the difference between something that fits on a computer or something that would never fit on any computer ever. Or something that can be computed in seconds or something that takes years
• An interview is limited in time and scope. So you want to trim the context so you don't have to spend 5 weeks giving domain expertise and context to candidates (who would complain you are asking them to do free work because it's too close to real life). So to have such questions fit in the interview time, you remove context and abstract away. That's how you end up with questions about bananas and generic items

[remote crater]

I'm just saying that it seems like a really separate skill from just writing programs. Even if you were awful at writing algorithms, you could just write some brute force solution and write "TODO: replace this algorithm with one that isn't O(n^1000)".

[summer roost]

yes, of course you can do that. Companies want to not hire people who will do that, because algorithms that are O(n^1000) work fine in development environments with 5 rows of test data, but blow up and cause outages as soon as they deal with real input

[smoky quest]

But then you would be demonstrating that your skills are limited by brute force solutions. You would not demonstrate skills that you know useful datastructures or how to apply them to a given problem.

[smoky quest]

Remember that as a recruiter, I am looking for the best candidate.
It's not school anymore where a passing grade or passing algorithm is enough. You have to go further

[remote crater]

I know, I'm just saying that being able to write readable programs is a completely separate skill from being great at algorithm puzzles.

And anyways, who can't write cleanly written code? Just use your brain and don't be stupid, comment when needed, etc.

[peak halo]

Some people have no sense of taste

[smoky quest]

Indeed. Being able to do some DSA does not mean you can do a whole program. But the inverse is true as well. You won't be able to handle whole programs without DSA

[remote crater]

Just use your eyes and ask "does this code look like shit", and refactor if it does.

[summer roost]

knowledge of design patterns is a large part of writing readable programs

[smoky quest]

You would also want to factor maintenance and evolution cost.
I like to make analogies with martial arts where you want to move with the least amount of effort. Similarly here, you would want to ensure you can adjust or add new features without having to change your code all over the place because it's tightly coupled

[remote crater]

Yeah but that's just common sense stuff

[deft herald]

Not always

[smoky quest]

Making it easy to debug and find bugs is also useful.
I would also add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_law or https://www.laws-of-software.com/laws/kernighan/, and or cource https://blog.codinghorror.com/coding-for-violent-psychopaths/

[pine sleet]

its only common sense if you've been taught to write clean code or have some experience already

[balmy spade]

It takes just as much effort to learn as, say, DSA.

[deft herald]

Sometimes requirements change unexpectedly. Sometimes that happens years after the initial requirements

[summer roost]

hardly ever, tbh

it's by far the hardest part of learning to code. It's the part that takes years to decades

[deft herald]

Yeah for sure

[smoky quest]

and you might still have staff+ engineers who disagree on it. Not because one of them is wrong, but because they optimize for slightly different things

[deft herald]

Not to mention all of the domain knowledge that's useful for anticipating how your code can scale

[balmy spade]

All of this leads to the interview looking for someone who can reason, think, and demonstrate an ability in these area. The interview is not looking for someone who gives a perfect answer.

[remote crater]

What leetcode types of things do you need to come up with in your job?

[smoky quest]

One example was being able to do a diff and show diffs between two "things". DP comes into play there

[remote crater]

What's a diff

[smoky quest]

the differences. like imagine git diff

[remote crater]

I didn't really use git that much

[smoky quest]

best time to learn! It's super useful for projects

[harsh river]

i've never used leetcode in my life and i'm still employed, i've seen people show example answers of leetcode questions and sometimes they're familiar with stuff i do at work.

[pine sleet]

you wont use dsa directly daily but being able to break down problems and solve them is kind of the crux of engineering in general. but more specifically if you took a DSA class in college, then when you come across things like DB index types or git trees you'll be more familiar with them

[smoky quest]

another way to frame it is that I give you 2 blurbs of text.
You need to highlight the differences and find them

[remote crater]

Like by index?
I don't get it.

[smoky quest]

another one is you have a stream of event, but you only want to keep the top k items

[smoky quest]

However you want, as long as it highlight the text on the screen

[summer roost]

it's pretty frequent that the difference between finding a good algorithm and a suboptimal algorithm is the difference between whether a feature can be delivered at all or not

[smoky quest]

and even if you don't write these every day, their knowledge will be useful because other people do. Knowing the difference between a tree index and hash index in your DB would make quite a difference

[remote crater]

But that's not the caliber of questions that are asked on leetcode, that's really really basic.

Everyone knows the difference between a tree map and a hash map.

[harsh river]

not everyone does actually, interview questions filter out the ones that don't.

[sonic crag]

Exactly.

[smoky quest]

I can reject a good half of the candidates by asking about factorial

And plenty of people get confused about algorithms and argue about stupid things. I had people argue about O(n**2)

[remote crater]

What's factorial. I thought that was a math thing.

[peak halo]

Do you reject anyone who does it recursively?

[smoky quest]

It's a classic recursion function. A fun one to try if you haven't!

[smoky quest]

they would pass. But they can get bonus points if they can get into tail recursion

[remote crater]

Oh, you're saying you use it as a fizzbuzz type of question

[smoky quest]

yeah. It's also something every DSA course teaches you when learning about recursion

so it's a bit of a classic, yet people trip over it so easily

[remote crater]

They really shouldn't use problems like that for teaching recursion, it's too contrived.

[smoky quest]

What's complicated about it?

[peak halo]

(if a language doesn't have tail call optimization, recursive factorial is O(n) for space complexity, whereas the iterative solution has O(1) space complexity)

[smoky quest]

though it's more about #algos-and-data-structs than #career-advice

[remote crater]

They should use stuff like tree navigation. Or Fibonacci. Or stuff like that that recursion is easier to use with.

[pine sleet]

factorial is probably simpler than all of those

since it's something you were already introduced to in elementary or middle school

[remote crater]

Because it's easier to do it without recursion.

[smoky quest]

I would echo @pine sleet . Factorial is easier than the ones you cited

[remote crater]

It might be easier to convert the common sense solution to a recursive one, but the learner will end up thinking "wtf, why would I write it like that?"

[smoky quest]

#career-advice message would be a reason

usually, recursive versions are more elegant and simpler than their iterative counter parts

[lilac yoke]

just write it in haskell and then say it cannot be optimized further

[smoky quest]

if you let someone know you know haskell/ocaml, they would ask you to write a type checker then, not a factorial anymore

[pine sleet]

the learner would know it's an example they're already familiar with being used to teach a new concept. thinking recursively is important in DSA. for me personally doing examples like this where taking stuff we already know about and making them recursive helped me to get the "thinking recursively" part down

[summer roost]

there are lots of programming concepts where you have to teach the "how" and the "why" (or "when") separately. This is why OOP is taught using toy examples, too. Until students understand the concept of a call stack with multiple calls to the same function on it, they're not gonna understand the recursive tree traversal algorithm. There's a reason classes start with recursive factorial or recursive fibonacci or recursive string length or whatever

[remote crater]

https://algo.monster/liteproblems/424
Is the algorithm that the sliding window size increases to match the size of the current best length?

HOW is this algorithm supposed to be obvious?? HOW can anyone just spontaneously come up with this shit while speedrunning it in an interview??

[summer roost]

This is off topic for this channel. You can use a help thread or ask in #algos-and-data-structs

[summer roost]

Ah, I see you asked there earlier. I've answered you there.

[wraith harbor]

I'm happy to share I finally got a nice offer and I'm switching jobs. Thanks everyone here for all the great advice :)

[sacred bloom]

Can someone explain what counts as "experience" and what counts as just a "project" for beginners? Like collaborating on open source or doing side projects with real use cases, do they count as experience?

[supple solar]

how you got it bro

[wraith harbor]

applying a lot but this is my 2nd job so it was significantly easier than the first

[wraith harbor]

experience is usually work experience like a job or internship

[balmy mural]

Experience would be where you work in a professional environment with colleagues and get paid to do the job.
Projects would be collaborating on OSS, side projects, etc. Even if that side project is popular and used by a lot of real businesses, it would still count as a project.
Work done as freelancing could be either. If you're making enough money off of freelancing to cover all your expenses while living alone, it's probably at a scale to put it down as work. If it's jusy making enough money for a few drinks a week, I'd probably not count it as professional work experience.

Certifications don't hold much weight except for cloud certifications.
For projects, you want to be able to demonstrate your skills. However if you're still new to the field, I'd suggest just making any projects that interest you. You'll very likely learn some things as you make them

[heavy trench]

Hey! Mind if i send you a dm?

[teal flare]

yes, of course

[lilac yoke]

I wouldn’t invest heavily in certifications unless you see yourself going into cyber/networking

[fringe sphinx]

If you're at "snake game" level of learning: don't worry about certs or projects for your resume. Just focus on doing small projects - like going to the gym as a newbie, any exercise will make you stronger. After a while, it'll become easier to pick up new projects and dive in.

In terms of which projects, a few good ones are: snake game, calculator, a simple web app using flask or django, a simple chat app, a quiz game, do some image manipulation with pillow, do a text to speech or speech to text project, build a simple HTTP server using sockets, etc.

!kin is also helpful

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[lilac yoke]

^ anything and everything is a good start. I would also encourage you to use the theory foundations you have learned to research high level DS&A, and try to apply findings to your field of choice (web development, systems engineering, data science, etc)

[fringe sphinx]

Nah, you can do some leetcode tasks now if you want. Don't "grind it" but it's a topic that's best to learn over a long period of time, so starting now is helpful.

Some leetcodes will be hard without taking DSA, but for those, it doesn't hurt to study a solution or for a hint

[summer roost]

Personally, I don't think there's much value in spending time on leetcode before you've taken a DSA course. You'll just wind up self-teaching the exact set of material that the course you're paying for ought to teach you. Your time would be better spent on stuff that doesn't get taught in the classroom, like how to build large-ish programs and how to design them to allow you to add new features to them over time

[fringe sphinx]

I agree with above too. Only concern is that they don't take it until late Junior year, so getting familiar with the style of question is probably useful (ie: leetcode easy's but nothing further). edit: useful for interviewing purposes

[white relic]

Two and a half years of a computer science program without data structures?

[summer roost]

Yeah, I agree it's weird that's not a sophomore year course...

Self teaching some of the basics might help you land internships. Just don't go too crazy with it.

Ah. Mm. Ok, that changes my opinion, it's worth self teaching. It'll be much harder to get a valuable internship without having had that course, and internships help an awful lot in landing good jobs later.

[harsh cedar]

okay thanks ill try to self learn as much of it as I can because i've heard that it's one of the most important courses for CS

[ripe geyser]

Can Anyone suggest me a mini project to do

[next thunder]

calc

[ripe geyser]

Calculator? You mean

[hearty island]

is it normal for recruiters to beg you to join their firm

like i remember i turned down a recruiter last year and he was like fine

but this time, i turned down a recruiter and he was like let's chat

[white relic]

that seems normal enough
personally I never had much time for recruiters

[hearty island]

this is the big crypto firm recruiter

[open ivy]

Hm, I was afraid this would happen:
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/the-resume-is-dying-and-ai-is-holding-the-smoking-gun/

This gets back to my 5 min chat before applying idea: if I can have a 5 min back and forth conversation before applying, they can be pretty sure it isn't AI.

I don't think resumes are worthless, despite what the article says. They are just something to be used after an initial talking-to.

Goodharts law: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure"

[lilac yoke]

Leetcode shouldn’t be anything like the DSA course you take in university, they should hardly coincide imo

A university course should be more geared towards how data structures are defined, and proving their complexities mathematicall. Leetcode is more solving problems using those structures. I.e., you can be great at Leetcode and never know how a hash map works aside from knowing the use cases

[true harness]

a course will have both theoretical problems and practical problems

[lilac yoke]

my class at least was entirely theory, used no programming language, and expressed problems through formal proofs and finite automata

Leetcode is a different ball park

[balmy mural]

Considering resumes normally get screened by HR first, how do you make sure you're doing a 5 minute talk with the right person? I know I wouldn't approach my company's HR to tell them "Hey, this one guy is real" if he spoke to me for 5 minutes on LinkedIn

[open ivy]

I believe this approach would work better for smallish companies where most people know each-other? A certain fraction of people would love to give a 5 min summary of thier work or and hear your feedback and how your own projects may use similar skills. In a back-and-forth voice chat it is (for now at least) fairly easy to sniff out most AIs if you know what you are doing and ask precise questions.

Remember that the strategy does not have to be all that good to be better than cold applications, which got much worse post-2022 with chat-GPT AI-slop. I am not expecting a magic bullet!

There are plenty of lonely people and I would love to talk to others about my personal projects, and when I had a job also my work projects, for a few minutes. Surely others are in my situation.

[near ocean]

There are online communities for that, some company's HR dept isnt it

[open ivy]

What you are saying is more along the lines of traditional "networking" which indeed is the staple of how I will get a job.

The 5 min chat idea is more direct: I reach out to someone with the explicit goal of asking for positions (which you don't do networking untill you know the person, and even then it is secondary to the friendship). It supplements "standard" networking (relationship building, shared interests, mental health benefits, etc).

Good point about HR! I can reach out to tech geeks instead as I can relate to them.

[glossy summit]

Guys tommorow is my first job day as an soc trainee. anything I should do?

[white relic]

soc?

[open ivy]

Summer of code? That was fun Blender's fluid simulation was written on one of those.

[glossy summit]

security operations centre

[near ocean]

You can reach out to tech geeks but i wouldnt expect any results

I've asked this before but you havent answered
Why don't you attend conferences

[delicate dragon]

whats soc? oh nvm

[delicate dragon]

i wish that manhwa didnt finish

[open ivy]

Lonely tech geeks are a thing! I am generally open to random people reaching out as long as they give some info about who they are and thier interests, why they are reaching out, etc. I am not the only person on Earth who is this way! A job will reduce the time I have but not eliminate it.

Conferences are expensive. That is the reason. Especially plane-ticket ones. Thankfully I had luck with GameDev in SF which was only a bart ticket away and had a large pool of people hanging out outside so I did not need to enter.

Fortunately, meetups are cheap (entrance fee is free to $20 or so) and I occasionally do these. Also makerspaces have been good, you get to meet the same people many times so you see familiar faces.

Between all of these, conferences are not that high priority on the list. They aren't bad or anything, there are just lots of in-person options and I am too heavy to quantum-superposition myself in multiple places at once. I do in-person events about 2-3 times a week currently as well as a similar amount of online stuff.

[balmy mural]

I'm not going to respond with personal details people can contact me by for a 5 minute chat. Neither would most devs I know. At least not if they reach out to me via something like LinkedIn. I have however had much longer chats with a lot of devs and university students at small tech conferences

[near ocean]

Aren't you a phd student? Conferences are the number one way of meeting others like you and collaborating or networking. If you have access to conferences you definitely should put it up higher on your list.

[open ivy]

No longer, I finished. And my expirence was that the last two years of the PhD is not a great time. Which didn't affect me all that much. But it affected other students, making them a lot less social and curious.

[balmy mural]

If someone reaches out to me and explicitly tells me they're reaching out to ask for positions, I'm going to refer them to our job board

[next plover]

Just be ready for a lot of information to learn fast

And get ready for scattered spider attacks /hj

[open ivy]

Different people are different. I don't expect most people to respond, but a small number will. I would be likely to respond if I had a job. I will still refer them to the board but the 5 min talk and thier application would feel much more real than all the AI-slop out there.

[balmy mural]

So instead of scattershotting job applications, you're scatterhotting LinkedIn messages hoping to get someone to respond? Seems like trading six of one for a dozen of the other. Especially if you're talking to someone who's not part of the hiring pipeline.
Is the person going to reach out to HR and just tell them that X is a real person and not AI if they apply? What is HR going to do with this bit of extra info? It's not a referral. I would not refer someone I don't know pretty well. That would be a bad look for me if they have no idea what they're doing

[open ivy]

Basically what you are saying is to not scattershot in the first place. I think scattershotting messages is somewhat better than applications because there is not as much (for now!) AI slop. Applications often are literally flooded with thousands.

But your general idea holds: scattershotting isn't the way to go. I don't know why forums and other places keep saying "keep trying, keep applying, never give up", when ultimately it is a losing numbers game for most given all the (increasingly convincing) AI-slop crowding out everything. My 5-min talk idea was at most going to be a secondary strategy for me, something to try and see how it works, not to replace genuine human connection and oppurtinities to help others.

Actually building human connections has so many benefits it's odd that people are wasting time on shot-gun resumes:
0. Better job matches. Knowing someone fairly well and liking them makes co-workers more likely good.

1. Mental health. People are more and more lonely.
2. Wisdom. I have had good convos about programming tips that go beyond factual knowledge.
3. More fun. A nice break from all the time alone in front of a screen.
4. AI-resistant. Even online chats I am reasonably confident that I am talking to a real person, especially if I ask certain questions.
5. Connection to society, at least for in person, such as shows and other fun city activities.

Like it should be obvious that building social relations should far exceed either time spent applying for jobs or my idea of 5-min job chats. Yet many people insist on cranking up the application numbers as if that is the primary goal of their time between jobs.

[stoic pelican]

umm any indians doing cse or completed it

[hexed kraken]

and its past midnight in India, so you may not get much responses

[stoic pelican]

ik but i cried vv much and i need to figure out shit where are u from and are u experienced ?

[sacred bloom]

So if you try your own Saas or work in a open source project it is not experience? They seem to be very appropriate to be called "experience" to me.

[smoky quest]

They don't necessarily represent professional experience

[balmy mural]

I do contribute to open source. No I do not consider it professional experience that I can put on my CV

Could your own Saas be professional experience? It depends

[white relic]

the word "experience" as a resume header is generally taken to mean professional experience, i.e. getting paid to do stuff.
it doesn't mean those things you did that aren't paid are worthless, or that they shouldn't go on your resume at all, just, not necessarily "experience" per se.

[stoic pelican]

hey @white relic are u free for like a call 5 minutes ?? i see ur bio i need guidance . it is urgent pls

[white relic]

professional means paid to do it.

[hexed kraken]

Don't ask people to call you...just post and wait...

[stoic pelican]

i am sorry

[smoky quest]

They do not entail to the same experience you would build in a professional environment

[summer roost]

That sounds very weird to me. Mine taught the concepts and the math behind their asymptotics, but also taught when to use different algorithms, tradeoffs between BFS and taught A* and best-first search and Dijkstra's algorithm, etc. I just see leetcode as the "word problems" that accompany a DSA course - they're testing the same material, plus making you figure out the right tool from your toolbox to use

[smoky quest]

Like working in a team, working with other teams, deploying to production, working with a PMM on a public announcement, etc.

Not that collaboration does not happen in OSS, but it's a different type

[balmy mural]

If you have regular contributions that demonstrate relevant skills, they 100% can help. They just belong under projects or possibly an open source section if you contribute to multiple projects and not under experience

[white relic]

I prefer not to take things off-server.
I'm happy to talk about (some aspects of) my experience here, if you have questions that are suitable for a public channel.

[stoic pelican]

so umm can ik what do u do so i can ask for guidance

[white relic]

oss contributions can be professional experience, too. I have some

[smoky quest]

yeah, OSS is a method of development, not a business

[white relic]

why me specifically?
I'm an electronics engineer turned researcher. I sometimes use Python in my job. What would you like to know?

[stoic pelican]

cause i only see u as a mod active rn
and i need some guidance
i study in tier 1 college in india with cs major
but i feel all the theoritical study i am doing for college exams has no practical use for a job or internship . i want to know what to actually do to get an internship in USA or anything else . i have just completed my first year . skills ik basic python and sql and little bit of dsa ( doing leetcode problems)

[sacred bloom]

Oh Okay. How should I mention and describe them in my resume?

[white relic]

Ok, couple of things.
0) I didn't technically study CS, and I'm not a software engineer by title, so what I say here is from observation and collaboration. Maybe some others will have different perspectives. (That's one reason it's better to post in the public channels; you get better visibility by people who might have the answers you want.)

1. The Indian education and economic system is a bit different from the West, I'm not super familiar with it (I don't know what "tier 1 college" really means to you, for instance). So take mine and any advice you find online with a grain of salt.
2. The role of a university CS program is to give you sound fundamentals and a broad theoretical basis. It's fair that you feel it's impractical, but that doesn't mean it's a waste of time. Employers will expect familiarity with theory and it will serve you well during your whole career.
3. That said, you should be also seeking practical experiences. Building projects is one of the best ways to get hands on knowledge of your field. What kinds of projects? Anything you're interested in. The important thing is not what the project does necessarily but the skills you demonstrate by making it. Python and SQL is a good start on the backend of some kind of web app.
4. The easiest way to get a job in the US is to already be in the US. The easiest way to be in the US, without a job or prior connections here, is a student visa. And student visas are easier to get the higher the education you're seeking. You're already in college so if you want to go to the US it's time to figure out how you will get here. The path I'm most familiar with is to get a MS or PhD at a US university under a student visa and transition to an H1B once you start working. There are other ways. What path could you take? Once you know that, you'll be better equipped to prepare for what it will take to get there.

Mods, btw, are just people who can do moderation actions in the server, we don't necessarily have more or better experience than other people here.

[molten plinth]

What’s with this pride profile picture

[stoic pelican]

oh i am sorry i just need some guidance

[fast fossil]

it's beautiful, innit?

[molten plinth]

Not really

[stoic pelican]

ohh so tier 1 means the top colleges of india as per goverment
like how making projects help u and what kind of projects
and can u also tell how to get an internship if uk anything

[candid hinge]

Can we use a flag that isn’t offensive

[white relic]

this channel is for career advice and discussion, like the ongoing conversation.
you can talk about the server pic in off-topic or #community-meta , although it's not going to change.

[molten plinth]

Well its fucking shit mate so change it only a joke calm down

[candid hinge]

To keep this convo ongoing, I think the best flag would be no flag

[molten plinth]

Yea I liked it when it was no flag at all just the py logo

[fast fossil]

I'm also curious as to what a "tier 1 college" is

[molten plinth]

@white relic is this profile picture changing in July

[summer roost]

you were already told taht this is off-topic for this channel, and where you could ask about it instead (ugh, wrong reply)

[vast anvil]

any1 here expreinced with discord bots and servers and stuff im makeing a server where i make alot of codes and sell them i pay to the dev that makes the code with me 50% if i sell it for money

[molten plinth]

Where’s the off topic channel then ?

[fast fossil]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[molten plinth]

Can I be homophobic here or what genuine question btw

[stoic pelican]

it is the top colleges in india
they are classified as tier 1 idk y but yes

[leaden jasper]

No and if you keep this up you will be banned

[vapid violet]

I dont really see how you reselling peoples code would be a viable career strategy. Its not hard to sell stuff so why would devs sell through you if you take 50% of the money when they could just sell themselves to get 100%

[vast anvil]

i said we both do the code and we both get 50% and im trying to achive something good here not just makeing money

im trying to learn codeing and also get some money so i can upgrade my pc i know some codeing but its not that good

[summer roost]

that's against 2 of our rules

[fast fossil]

!rule paid reminder

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[vast anvil]

what are the 2 rules other than 9

[fast fossil]

rule 6 probably, advertising

[vast anvil]

its not advertising advertising is sending invites to a server

[fast fossil]

how do you differentiate between "advertising" and "advertising advertising"?

[vast anvil]

advertising is when some advertises for a server and telling people to join it and i didnt do that

[summer roost]

ok, then it's against 1 rule, instead. EIther way, it's against our rules to ask about it here

[vast anvil]

can i ask some1 to help me in my server then

[summer roost]

no, that would be against the other rule

[vast anvil]

so everything is against your rules i get it now

@summer roost just a suggestion hide the channels because people can see it useing discord mods u should hide it and organize it it looks so bad and bye bye ill learn codeing with chatgpt

[summer roost]

we're aware that people using discord mods to show channels they can't join will get a worse experience than other users. That doesn't concern us. Those mods violate Discord's ToS anyway, and if you don't like it you can always turn the setting off

[vast anvil]

i wasnt telling u that for me i was telling for yall because i bet yall get confused in all of those channels

[summer roost]

hm? No, mostly just use the quick switcher to get around.

anyway, this is the #career-advice channel. That'd be on-topic for #community-meta , if you want to chat more about it

I realize it looks like a lot of channels, but a server with this many members, and trying to support this many separate active threads of conversations, needs to have a lot (that's also why we enforce our channel topics pretty strictly - putting other stuff in them makes it really hard for people who are trying to use them for their intended purpose)

[true turtle]

they're prestigious universities with good placement (read: campus recruitment) records. Usually very competitive to get in

[stoic pelican]

umm vivek are u indian can u help me ?

[true turtle]

with cs major
BTech in Computer Science and Engineering?
Also, honestly, the seniors at your college would be the best people to ask.

[stoic pelican]

it is like urgent 😭 and yea cse branch

[true turtle]

You just finished first year, I'd say you still have enough time to prepare.

As others have said, focus on building a few solid projects, and start working on a resume (and make sure to get it reviewed by someone).
You should also brush up on your DSA skills and practice problems regularly

[stoic pelican]

but the problem is

ahh are u indian so i can talk to u in a better manner

[true turtle]

urgent how?

[stoic pelican]

see the point is i am in nsut and i am trying to go to bits cause i feel i wasted my 1 year and all and better oppurtunaties

[true turtle]

how are you planning to move to BITS? You'll have to write their entrance exam again right?

[vapid jay]

Nsut is not tier 1 university

[uncut nexus]

Lol wut, just learn stuff, make projects and go for off campus

Also 1 year isn't really that long of a period, goes by in a jiffy

[long aurora]

I'm systems engineer student of Colombia, I choose the path of programming because I can build everything I wanted. I spend the last six moth practice and made projects, also a friend give me freelancer work. I tried a internship, and know I feel that I don't know anything after the exam, any advices?

[fervent sandal]

hey

[lilac yoke]

can you elaborate on that last sentence there? not sure I understand what you are asking

[austere swan]

guys don't you think, lot of people see this AI field more like AI/ML field, but the real money and work is in AI/Gen AI ?

Like lot of ml models are already there, real work and money is to build upon those models, for build upon models they simple need to learn frontend and backend, but still when people start learning AI they start with math, but in real they should start with JS/python so they can make frontend and backend for use those models .

Ai has lot of money, but not where we thinking, don't you think so ?

[open ivy]

There are plenty of places to do this! But not this channel, as it is an ad-free channel. It's very hard to make money from a fresh start, but having a collab for two people on some project sounds like fun.

[turbid silo]

hi what s up

[austere swan]

make good projects, nowdays fastapi is trending for backend

genrally startups and corporates use js(for frontend and backend both )/python for backend and AI stuff generally

[crystal glacier]

i can aprove this
my prof told me too to get projects anykind and load them to GitHub so you can show your skills
this is more effective then licenses
just get an idea and make a program out of it so others can see that you have an idea of the basic structure of code

[verbal needle]

Thank you guys for your words. I am doing projects and putting it on github. I think it's just a matter of time before I get hired.

[crystal glacier]

wish you sucess

[plush summit]

im competing with 100 ppl on every job lol

[lapis wind]

That's a pretty low number

[near ocean]

100 people so far

[lapis wind]

I think in general every position will get hundreds of applications

That being said, I've not been terribly amazed with the quality of candidates recently, it seems to already be that only a couple of you're lucky can actually do stuff without chatgpt

[worldly lantern]

why is my program is not running when I click the play-button on top right in vs code.

[crystal glacier]

you get no feedback?
not even errors?

[worldly lantern]

nothing happens. I can run my code using the terminal

but not the button

[crystal glacier]

so the programm is designed to give you an output like print(something) in python?

[worldly lantern]

input then print

I think something is wrong with my vs code

[white relic]

this channel is for career advice and discussion. You'll get better Python advice if you ask in #python-discussion or create a thread in #1035199133436354600

[worldly lantern]

oh, sorry

[crystal glacier]

so you got an interaction in your code and it doesnt come to that
try another program like spyder or python to see if its code based or vsc

[crystal glacier]

sorry

[white relic]

nbd

[sweet root]

https://youtu.be/bbymbopzygU?si=p77pVkxkcwaGQt6U
How's my start-up idea guys?
Btw like the video as I am participating in blue ocean competition and the start-up pitch with most likes wins.

[kindred oyster]

this is not a place for self promo

[sweet root]

I am just asking for feedback

[near ocean]

Throwing AI on anything and everything doesnt automatically make it a good product

The average person doesnt need a financial advisor and those who do can definitely afford one

Im also not convinced Advisor -> AI Engine -> thousands of customers is good marketing

[lilac yoke]

There is a difference between learning ai and learning how to use existing models… one requires a graduate degree, the other requires understanding some companies API.

Where the money comes in is more nuanced. Most AI startups are completely dependent on a third party model, losing 95% of the gross income to paying for that model. However, as we can see right now, an incredibly talented doctorate and professional in AI could be paid well over a million dollars a year to work for these companies

[lapis wind]

As someone who has one, I certainly wouldn't want it to be an AI tbh. And not to mention and idk if they've thought about this, but being a financial advisor comes with liability for the advise you provide in a lot of places i.e. UK

If your product is generative AI financial advise as a service, you are asking to be sued or just not allowed to operate

[near ocean]

What do you use them for if you don't mind?
I dont see any reason to in my case, pension is settled, monthly standing orders to savings accounts, excel sheet going brrr

[rapid holly]

This is such a ludicrous statement imo the goal is to make these models capable of coding such that nobody would have to write code for either frontend or backend not the other way around.

Also if you like money more there are better things to do

[summer roost]

There's a saying that the best way to get rich in a gold rush is by selling shovels

[misty kiln]

In a world where everyone is doing the same thing, everyone copying everyone what should we do?

[summer roost]

I don't understand what you mean by that. I'm saying that the people building models are the ones who are going to get rich in the AI boom, not the people paying to use other people's models

[misty kiln]

Don’t worry! It was an independent question.

[misty kiln]

For example my brother is not a coder, but needed a software to run his company so he had to pay for it!

You guys learned to code in college or by yourself? In any case would you kindly please give me recommendations from where to start to learn by myself with python??

Roger!

[glass ledge]

I am proficient with RDKit, and I want to participate to the project related to chemistry.

[austere swan]

i like things that meet two conditions, Is that thing my hobby and if it has money/value in it . Like full stack development . I also did Ai/Ml for more than 3 months, and i am thinking of continuning it , but i am confuse if it will be valuable or not, and more importanty as we all know it will be valuable more but what area of AI will be most valuable, gen ai or ml/dl which are too different things

[lapis wind]

Probably can discuss more off topic, just saves me time and means I don't have to keep track of what the best things to put the money into or what funds etc... especially around tax and making sure various allowances are made use of.

[austere swan]

yes !!

i think only some people are making these models, lot of high earning people from AI comes in gen AI category

even Autonomous vechicles are comes in half gen ai and half ml / dl / computer vision

[austere swan]

“one requires a graduate degree” degree is not important but if , if you have are master in which you intrested.
In the same way, degree is only paper, if you don't have skills and don't know how to do actual work .

and therefore there are also people that can be self disciplined and really have skills the people/market need
there are also people who just hold degree in hands but internally don't wanna work
this is so simple philosophy

[icy pagoda]

creating impactful and new/novel statistical learning models comes well within academic research scope anyways so might as well get a degree for it

typically, graduate degrees will help you building the background to do this and allow you to gain experience at the same time

[near ocean]

"degree is only paper" in the same way a key is only a chunk of metal
degrees open doors

[icy pagoda]

so in a sense, since most people who can do that kind of work might as well get a graduate/research degree for it - a lot of employers can expect you to have it

[rapid nimbus]

i wanna become python coder!

[austere swan]

i don't have degree, and you know what, what stopping me from making money is i think is me because i don't have all skills now that i need to make money but i am consistent to work, i don't think there will be time you will be hire (after getting a degree), you should have discipline, consistency and patience asap, you will get everything you need . If you intrested in the field you are working and making a efforts to make money in it, then that's what you only need, you don't have to struggle for papers, just learn and increase your rate and capacity to learn

[near ocean]

the lack of degree is kind of stopping you from making money
have you tried finding a software job, especially in ML/AI?

[peak halo]

ideally, only having skills would be required. but if you don't have a degree, you're asking prospective employers to take your word for it in a way that degree-holders are not.

[austere swan]

then, what i think is: sharp you skills that much that you end up creating your own product (this will also open doors)

just do smart work and hard work everyday

[peak halo]

that requires skills over and above what "regular" developers have. you need to figure out what unmet wants there are in the market, and know how to run a business.

[austere swan]

yes

and when it comes to regular developers, most of people work to just earn money, if the work you doing is your hobby, it will give you edge

[peak halo]

I'd wager that one would get more money-per-effort if they just got the degree. but the market is pretty bad right now.

[austere swan]

market will always be bad for those who are not skillful and not wanna struggle from the situation that stopping them

if you able to make product that people buying rapidly and continuously, then you will become talented,experienced, and all automatically

the learning perspective should be change

[open ivy]

People act as if work life balance is up to the company. In reality it is up to the employee first and foremost. We all must know what we can safely do long-term, and when to use a short term burst for hot deadlines.

Remember that burnout is dangerous in almost every regard, financially, mentally, and physically (long term stress hormones). So avoiding it is necessary for career security.

[hearty island]

holy fucking shit, cboe offered me the job 🗿

[white relic]

Congrats! Hope it's a good offer!

[hearty island]

thanks man

[analog crown]

Lf experienced game hackers dm

[novel kelp]

yeah crooly read the rules

[quartz gate]

Something else. It's why I'm just saying "Fuck it" and making video games starting with OpenGL.

[quartz gate]

Peter Thiel happened to think that those who "do it for the money typically don't last." Of course, he is the richest person who did the least amount of work for his products, so he's likely a very unreliable narrator. As are Musk and all of the Paypal mafia who go on television and make that geek hand tent.

[long summit]

its more to life than hacking kids

[misty kiln]

How?

[deft herald]

How do we hack kids? Also I don't think this is the right channel...

[summer roost]

This isn't a server where you can solicit other people to build things for you. See rule 9.

[gloomy blade]

oh sorry am new

[summer roost]

no worries. If you want to learn how to build things yourself, check out our resources links!

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[misty kiln]

Can they offer me as well?

[hearty island]

lol

[misty kiln]

I mean why no bro? You can teach me and I can work for you

[hearty island]

lol

take that energy and go apply for jobs

[silver hull]

Any coding beginners here??

[summer roost]

this is the #career-advice channel

[zinc stone]

Hi. My high school is starting in 2 months and my academy (think of it like a must have tuition center) has already started and I am getting homework as well. So I think once my high school properly starts along with the academy, I won't be able to give time to coding.

Here's the routine I will have:
Go to school at 8 come back at 2:00. Academy at 4:00 evening till 6:00 evening.
There is going to be loads of homework which I will have to cover. Should I quit coding? Any advice?

It doesn't work like that. I won't have any free time. Work load was insane when I was in secondary school 9 - 10 grade. Now I am in 11th. The only free time I will get is probably sunday and if I started coding on sundays, I would probably get burned out and just tired of it as there is nothing which would keep my brain fresh.

[flat river]

Yes bro

[trim crypt]

You'll be fine. Its manageable.

[zinc stone]

okie...

[silver hull]

Nd how do you manage it with your study nd all??

[flat river]

I don't have any study for now

[silver hull]

You're graduated??

[flat river]

No , I am going to take admission in clg very soon

[silver hull]

Oh nd I'm in class 12th

[flat river]

Ohh

[glossy summit]

Any place to learn all about blockchain including development and newest blockchain tech?

[glacial cedar]

hi

[white relic]

@elder flicker Please read the #rules and channel descriptions. This is not a job board. I have deleted the advertisement.

[indigo cloud]

Hello everyone, im currently learning smth new and deciding on what speciality(for exm managing dbs or game developing etc.) im gonna learn as my future career. Can you please tell me about your speciality and whatever your doing on it, maybe show me some pros and cons of your specialty

[hearty island]

i’m kinda getting screwed on my offer tbh. $82.5k and some “promise” that the salary is increased in january

i asked for the max pay range and the HR mgr said no bc it wasn’t fair and equitable to the rest of the team. go figure.

so yea i’m fairly upset about it. plus the areas im looking into aren’t very good - i can’t find a lot of apartments near the office that are like 1.6k a month

2.5k a month would fuck me up, i’d be living paycheck to paycheck

[white relic]

You need a budget

@weary owl Hi, please read the #rules and channel descriptions. This isn't a place to find work.

[hearty island]

yep

[white relic]

what city?

[hearty island]

chicago, illinois for cboe

[white relic]

Oh right cboe

hmm

2.5k rent on an 82.5k salary is a bit high but it shouldn't put you in poverty tbh

[hearty island]

https://www.zillow.com/apartments/chicago-il/245-w.-north-ave./CKVc/
what do you think about this?

[white relic]

I'm not up on the local col but that seems pretty reasonable

be sure you check the accessibility of local public transit, it's an advantage of living in Chicago

And can be a factor in the price as well

my contact who knows Chicago says to save money, live as far south as you feel safe

[hearty island]

hmm

[white relic]

Hyde Park maybe
If you aren't close to a train, you may have to take a bus into the city, but the rent is cheaper

that's officially all I know about Chicago

[neat forge]

Are there like any non Maschine learning jobs for beginners, like no job expierience?

[hearty island]

i'm gonna take a spreadsheet and start detailing it up

[fringe sphinx]

ugh, not sure if this is really indicative only of msft's health or some fear for 2026: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/microsoft-to-lay-off-as-many-as-9000-employees-in-latest-round/

(this is a new round)

[grand cloud]

me! I'm doing a minor in computer science at my university. Currently doing into to computer science right now and in august i will be starting programming I

[molten spoke]

@fluid fable please don't post adverts here, it is against our rules.

[grand cloud]

would anyone be able to share what they used online to help with beginners? or any entry level jobs/projects they did?

[molten spoke]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[molten spoke]

check out some of the things on that page -- it's a curated selection of resources we feel are both useful and also teach fundamentals well (not just "how to do something" but how to understand what it is doing as well). there's a range of things for different experience levels there as well as different learning formats so you should be able to find something that works well for you

[edgy ingot]

what is the average salary for a junior python programmer? and what about a pleno and senior?

[summer roost]

That depends greatly on the country and city. The best way to get an accurate answer for that is going to be looking at job postings near you

[peak halo]

try looking on glassdoor

[silver hull]

Ohh cool nd I'm learning coding side by side as an extra skill

[grand cloud]

thank you so much!

[grand cloud]

nice! i’m learning python right now actually in school so this discord is perfect lol

[silver hull]

Ohhh great

[balmy patio]

Yo

I was wanting to ask someone there opinion on something

I want to make… I don’t really know how to describe it. Basically think of Alexa but with a face. I want an AI with a face. I was wanting to use one of my old tablets as its screen.

[peak halo]

this is the career discussion channel; try #python-discussion

[balmy patio]

Ah

My bad

[steady dawn]

NICE !!!! 😃

[vestal gust]

Anyone bullish on the MCP ecosystem?

[near ocean]

What does that mean

I dont think anyone is betting their careers on this next hot thing becoming successful

[arctic zealot]

anyone done gcse

how do i revise for maths and science like websites ect

[harsh river]

ask in #python-discussion

[fringe sphinx]

Just want till we have competing mcp's. Mcp++ vs Mcp.net, etc

[near ocean]

Its not serious until we get py related puns in package names

[lilac yoke]

I’ve never really liked the “salary for X language”, I don’t think it has real correlation

[near ocean]

It kinda does tho

[lilac yoke]

I also have yet to meet anyone in industry who says “I am a <language> developer” as their job title, that would be strange

You will probably use many different languages in any given job

[white relic]

it really depends on the job

[brazen willow]

Corbett Maths, Maths Genie, watch freesciencelessons on youtube, cognito

And past papers ofc

[long solar]

What font do yall use for cover letter

[summer roost]

you should probably not spend any time at all writing cover letters, unless you have an extremely non-traditional background that requires some storytelling to justify why you believe you're qualified for the position

[hearty island]

most companies don't even ask for 'em

[summer roost]

right, the only reason to write a cover letter is if your resume can't convey the point - which should be rare

[long solar]

Yeah would be nice if they became a thing of the past

[summer roost]

they already are, that's what I'm telling you

they're an option available to you if you need to tell a story in prose that you can't convey in the format of a resume, but most people should never need that option

[vapid violet]

I have been told that a 1 paragraph cover letter is good.
-# Note I have only applied to internships
My template for them is:

• Sentence to explain why I am interested in the positions product
• Sentence to explain why I think I am qualified
• Sentence to explain my academic/career goals.

[hearty island]

do linkedin jobs get reposted automatically?

[long solar]

I guess it couldn't hurt though, but it does hurt in that it wastes time lol

Rn I'm applying for a role I want to much that I'm messaging the recruiter

[summer roost]

not just wastes time, but potentially also signals that you don't know the rules of the game you're playing

a bad cover letter - one that doesn't do what a cover letter is meant to do - is certainly worse than no cover letter at all

[long solar]

I had my career advisor from my Uni look over and tweak my cover letter so it can't be that bad lol

[tardy shuttle]

Guys

[remote crater]

Whoever popularized cover letters should be executed in minecraft

Just look at the fucking resume

[peak halo]

If you don't have anything to say in a cover letter that isn't in the resume, just don't submit one.

I've never seen an application where it was required.

[remote crater]

Doesn't that cause HR to instantly reject you?

[peak halo]

No, I've never submitted a resume cover letter and got several interviews and two offers during my initial job hunt.

I mean a cover letter

[long solar]

I've heard some say thet no cover letter is insta reject but that might have been either in a non tech industry, or before chatgpt could write one for you, making it meaningless

[balmy mural]

When I was entering the job market ~2 years ago, I received 2 offers without ever using a cover letter.
When I was applying earlier this year, some of my applucations included a cover letter, some didn't. Made no difference to all the rejections I was receiving 🙃

I was however applying for a role that would require visa sponsorship. So it wasn't as black and white as applying locally

[fast fossil]

Perhaps, the ones with a cover letter were turbo rejected 🤭

[balmy mural]

I think they were all turbo rejected. Except for the one rejection I received a full 5 months after applying 😂

[white relic]

slurbo rejected

[hearty island]

would you go for CBOE or wait on a maybe from societe generale for a role in NY so you wouldn't have to move to chicago for a paycheck to paycheck lifestyle?

the problem is that societe generale is culturally different and doesn't seem to understand my urgency

if i don't say anything to cboe by wednesday, they'll rescind the offer. july 11th is the last day ppl take their voluntary buyout at my firm. cuts are likely to follow after.

i made it to the 5th round for soc gen. most likely one more round to follow.

[white relic]

Any idea what societe generale would pay in NY?

[hearty island]

around $115K.

[white relic]

Have you reached out to say hey I really need an offer by Tuesday

[hearty island]

cboe's giving only $82.5K with a 10% bonus so $90.75K

[hearty island]

my dad thinks it's too risky

[white relic]

he's wrong
you have to apply pressure if you're under pressure

[hearty island]

bc yea the recruiter can say then fuck off to cboe, but then i think that shows i'd never fit in at the firm then

[white relic]

if they won't give you an offer by Tuesday anyway, you run the risk of getting nothing

[hearty island]

i applied on may 24th for both cboe and soc gen

[white relic]

That's not likely to happen given you've already been through 5 (!) interview rounds

they already want you or you would have been kicked out after 3 at most

[hearty island]

with 6 diff people, 7 if you count the recruiter himself

[white relic]

ridiculous

anyway yeah

[hearty island]

fuck it we ball?

[white relic]

push them. You've got a deadline

I would not rely on the recruiter though, if you've already had contact with the hiring manager I would reach out to both

[hearty island]

can’t, don’t have their emails

[white relic]

bummer

Well write that email ASAP

and send another one if you don't get confirmation by end of day

tomorrow's a holiday

you can't afford to wait on their bureaucracy

that said...
I don't think the cboe offer is anything to sniff at given the other one is in freaking Manhattan

Chicago is cheaper than NYC

by a lot, if online calculators can be trusted

but you can maybe live with family in NYC iirc?

still

[hearty island]

i live with family in long island

[vapid jay]

defeat universities and outsmart them my only goal in life.

i am sure no one will help me in this.

i have to do it alone. but i am sure i will achieve it.

my flesh my soul all should be devoted to this goal.

i will quit social media. i have already cut some social media btw.

[hearty island]

it's all about calculated risks really and i think this is a risk worth taking

[wraith harbor]

why do you want to defeat your university?

[balmy mural]

If you have a deadline, you have a deadline. When I got my first offer I was still waiting on another interview process. I told them I have an offer that I need to respond to by a certain date. They came back to me with an offer the next day

[hearty island]

gotcha, ty guitar

[near ocean]

Do they know you have an offer from cboe already?
Might not have been the best idea to tell them where the offer is from
(For future reference)

[white relic]

Yeah, there's no need to throw in more information than necessary, but it's probably not a big deal if you already mentioned it. They don't need to know anything more than that you have another offer and they need to act by Tuesday

[keen grotto]

Is this the right platform to learn python guys

[near ocean]

CBOE is plenty big, this is not advice but i would probably feel tired of this and take it

[vapid jay]

people are suffering because of the education system. that's why. even if they won't admit that they are unhappy.. they are.

[keen grotto]

I'm just a beginner

[hearty island]

no i'm not saying where i got the offer from

[near ocean]

Oh so theyre saying "fuck off to unknown possibly more prestigious company"?
Thats kinda yikes from societe ngl
This is all hypothetical, i dont think they'd say anything like that, give them a deadline

[cerulean tiger]

I was thinking on trynna go to the cyber security

[wraith harbor]

people are suffering because of the broader economic system. education is one of the few somewhat reliable ways you can improve your quality of life

[vapid jay]

i made this math software and it is going to save everyone from this inequality producing oppressive education system. idk rest. i don't want to prove myself or prove that i am winning an argument. idc. i am just saying what i feel to be true.

[near ocean]

ngl this is giving terry davis

[vapid jay]

its like the story of the person called terry davis yes. using computer programming we can do a lot. even claims to bring possible societal changes through the help of it.

[near ocean]

Sure, i dont think its related to careers though

[vapid jay]

it is related.

i have made a math software which is 4000 lines of code.. so, math software -> mathematics exams -> university admission -> career. now you see how.

[near ocean]

Are you trying to get universities to use this package? Or are you saying you'll use this to get into university
Neither of those are careers related, this isnt a channel to talk marketing in

This might also be bordering on advertisement

[vapid jay]

you are stupid btw.. its not marketing. its programming discussion. python programming discussion. don't try to dismiss me all the time. i got 95 percent in cbse board exam also.

[near ocean]

😩😩 take this to python discussion then jesus christ #python-discussion

[vapid jay]

you don't instruct me. mind your own business. if you are looking for lectures in python programming, from me then ping. otherwise do not.

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> please

[tender thicket]

!silence

[inner wren]

✅ silenced current channel for 10 minute(s).

[radiant vortex]

@vapid jay Please read the channel guidelines and follow them, what you posted isn't relevant. Furthermore, keep it respectful towards others when talking here.

@near ocean You know better, there was no need to engage further. Just let them know in the first instance and ping us if it continues, no need for more discussion

!unshh

[inner wren]

✅ unsilenced current channel.

[hearty island]

what are your thoughts on the following email: Hi RECRUITER,

I hope you're well. I wanted to quickly share that I’ve received another offer with a tight deadline, but Société Générale remains my top choice.

If I’m still under consideration, is there any chance the next steps could be expedited? I’d really appreciate it.

Thanks so much for your time.

Best,
NAME
PHONE NUMBER
EMAIL ADDRESS

and if they respond with yea no thx bye, then so be it

[white relic]

I think you should be more firm and specific. You have, effectively, two business days before you need an answer. Give them a deadline. You are applying pressure; that's OK. It might not feel good but you can apply pressure without being rude or unprofessional

[mossy shuttle]

What does it mean to be a python programmer cuz I don't really understand I know python but not master it yet. I don't want to go into web development, I also don't want to do AI because I don't know maths 🥲 is there something like system programming where you develop libraries and tools ?

[hearty island]

I hope you're well. I wanted to let you know I’ve received another offer with a deadline of Tuesday, July 8th, but Société Générale remains my top choice.

If I’m still under consideration, is there any chance the next steps could be expedited? I’d really appreciate any flexibility you can offer.

Thanks so much for your time.

Best,
Name

[white relic]

Lgtm

[fickle falcon]

Are you guys allowed to assist me adding something to my resume

[pine sleet]

yes

[peak halo]

@coarse crane your message was removed for spammy job solicitation

[fickle falcon]

So I went to a bioinformatics boot camp internship and here’s all the takeaways.

Technologies Used: R, Bash, Python
• Focus: Gene expression analysis of chicken genome (thyroid vs. saline treatments) and mouse data
• Data Visualization: Created plots in R to interpret and present findings
• Project: Designed and completed a solo research project including introduction, abstract, methods, results, discussion, and acknowledgements
• Presentation: Delivered a formal presentation explaining code, analysis process, and results
• Skills Developed: Programming for biological data analysis, scientific communication, data visualization, scripting
• Compensation: Paid internship experience

It lasted over a month and they did pay us.

[tribal schooner]

hello im a beginner programmer i dont have any expierence in school or something i follox economics and i dont like it that much im in my last year in highschool i thaught of finishing highschool with economics and then in uni im doing software engineering but im scared i dont know that much so im trying to learn coding in my free time where do i begin and how do i begin ?

[scenic glade]

Do you want a completely honest opinion? Pick a different path, this one completely saturated

I have over 10 years of experience in programming, and cybersecurity, and I struggle to find a job myself

[torn path]

Computer Science undergraduate looking for a software development internship. I have a solid understanding of Data Structures, Algorithms, and Operating Systems. I’ve built projects using AI/ML models like CNN, RNN, and LSTM, and integrated them with backend technologies such as Django and Flask. I enjoy creating practical applications that solve real-world problems, and I’m eager to keep learning and contribute to meaningful software solutions in a professional environment.

[silver rampart]

Hey everyone
I recently created my new portfolio website take a look and tell me what should I improve the design was provided by astro template

https://vivekthedev.me

[tribal schooner]

oh, i didnt know is it saturated everywhere or only in america because i live in belgium and i searched vacancies and i saw alot like a lot

[timid ibex]

hellow everyone can any one advice me for a panda and numpy course

[scenic glade]

Everywhere pretty much

I am not saying you can't get a job right now, I am saying, if you are a complete beginner, by time you finish learning the gist of it, AI, and even more Indian workers are waiting to replace you

[timid ibex]

its nice because of its simple design but try to add photo ut will add a nice style touch

[willow marlin]

Yhhhhh. AI is what I kinda fear.

[silver rampart]

Thanks for the response. I will do that.

[timid ibex]

but its nice i will rate it 7

[tribal schooner]

what if i learn ML? because i really want to do something with coding

[timid ibex]

hi everyone can any one advice me for a python course for biegginer

[silver rampart]

Yes go for it. I think it's one of the most lucrative field out there

[timid ibex]

@silver rampart i am new python learner so do u advice anything or start learning randomly from yout

[silver rampart]

Do you have a grasp on basics or are you a complete beginner?

[timid ibex]

yes