career-advice

[analog sun]

Hello, I think the topic has strayed quite far from #career-advice

I think a better channel would be #ot1-perplexing-regexing

[knotty aurora]

my friends tell me that you gotta start applying before you're ready, what do you think

[broken plover]

is college worth it to become a python dev? ik u can do it without but heard it's hard. was gonna learn all on my own but been thinking abt starting college going to comm college and transferring for a cs degree

[gentle pumice]

def not

[bleak quail]

i dont think thats a good idea

[gentle pumice]

especally since highly competitive today

[analog sun]

Having a college degree is the path of least resistance towards landing a job as a developer

[gentle pumice]

apprenticeshi would be good for this though i'd say or maybe even internship but that's a long shot there

[coral fern]

i don't know about other colleges but mine had lots of internship programs with local banks, businesses and my friends work as developers with the help of college

i didn't need it tho but i guess it had benefit for lots of students

[true harness]

this reasoning stems from the difficulty in determining when you are ready. so if you just apply, the rejections will tell you if you're ready

[gentle pumice]

again it comes to confidence

[knotty aurora]

oh I see, wish me luck
I am gonna study my ass off from today

[gentle pumice]

any questions on a project, lmk! 😄

[bleak quail]

idk how you can get an entry level job as a web developer cause i saw a job listed that required 5 years of c# knowledge to apply lol

[knotty aurora]

I'll ask after I am done with the fundamentals

[bleak quail]

my plan is to learn html css js + frameworks to land an entry level frontend job idk if this plan is good or nah

[knotty aurora]

you can get into AI right

[bleak quail]

for frameworks i think ill go with react and tailwind css

[gentle pumice]

css is great to go into very nice to have on a resume

tailwind is the goat

i'd say web developers are only useful for high income companies or if you're an entrepeneur though, most local companies will build there own websites

[bleak quail]

its funny cause i really like css and then i saw a python package called kivy that lets you code in what looks like css format (for a gui)

[gentle pumice]

kivy is gay but yeah it uses a .kv language not necessarily css but has a css-like vibe to it

[peak halo]

is this a compliment about kivy?

[gentle pumice]

i'd actually recommend you flask instead

[true harness]

[bleak quail]

i like my boy tkinter 😤

[bleak quail]

isnt flask a backend frsmework like django or nah?

[gentle pumice]

great for simple gui for local developement or yk a project that won't be seen by the public, but pyautogui can be cleaner and then theres other libraries you can use that are paid like pyqt and enaml

[gentle pumice]

close! jinja + tailwind or bootstrap

you could just use django with tailwind tho

[bleak quail]

you lost me at jinja and bootstrap 😭

[peak halo]

@gentle pumice to be clear: using "gay"--or any other adjective for someone's immutable characteristic--as an insult isn't allowed here.

[gentle pumice]

ok my bad

[gentle pumice]

Jinja is a templating engine used in Flask and Django, Bootstrap is a CSS library that makes it easy to style websites with pre-built classes.

[knotty aurora]

if you don't mind me asking what's the male to female ratio in CS fields?

[bleak quail]

ohhh were actually using django in our software design subject this sem

[peak halo]

it skews male--why do you ask?

[gentle pumice]

ah glad you changed that to django i was about to recommend pygame xD

[knotty aurora]

it is abysmal is civil😩

[bleak quail]

lmaoo

whats a good beginner django project? like legit surface level just to teach me the basics

[gentle pumice]

hmm

[analog sun]

Follow their tutorial for starting out

[gentle pumice]

do you mean like just straight straight beginner

[gentle nest]

Is there point in learning JS if i don't know html? Html is required for js correct?

[gentle pumice]

make a notepad or list

[bleak quail]

yeah

i really have no idea what django does all i know is "backend website hehe"

[gentle pumice]

if you want intermediate you could make a webscanner

[bleak quail]

does that use an api?

[analog sun]

This was a real suggestion, their tutorial is well done: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/intro/tutorial01/

[gentle pumice]

lol yeah thats pretty much it Django is a backend web framework for Python that makes it easy to build web apps by handling things like databases, url routing, templates as you've said, forms, and i think authentications

[bleak quail]

its not that i have a hard time learning django, its just that i dont know what to make with it lolol im horrible of thinking up software projects

[gentle pumice]

from the top of my head i'm thinking no, you could use an api but i'm thinking for this using nmap and scapy, which, if you don't know about are good to learn in terms of cyber security and networking

[bleak quail]

maybe i could make something simple like a program that sorts files

[gentle pumice]

well for most languages you have people that will upload lists of projects you can start with, I did this with python as of right now i'm currently learning how to do aob injections with pymem in python, but let's see if i can't find you a project list

yeah here u go man 🙂 ```
https://github.com/wsvincent/awesome-django

[bleak quail]

im saving this thanks

[gentle pumice]

heres one just for python

https://github.com/Python-World/python-mini-projects

this one too

https://www.dataquest.io/blog/python-projects-for-beginners/

[broken plover]

I searched it up n only rly seeing they have a job fair so the school doesn't help much besides $5k for getting a internship I think

[tranquil wyvern]

Hey Guys, Can anyone suggest any good Python's Crash Corse to refresh Lnowledge of Basics ?

[gentle pumice]

@tranquil wyvern right here bro read our convo man

[tranquil wyvern]

I mean't if I could go through any video sort of thing too for recap. But yeah the project are also great way to revise Thanks. But If I could refer to any Crash Course it would help a lot

Nowadays there is so much content out there, its just confusing which one to watch out for

[gentle pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqtD5dpn9C8&t=28s this guy helped me

[gentle pumice]

I have a zoom meeting for a job position "Information Systems Technician" tomorrow guys!! 😄

[near ocean]

what in the spam <@&831776746206265384>

[still condor]

@sacred cape Please read the rules and the topic of the channel. This is not a job board.

[sacred cape]

Got it.

[wicked fractal]

And I kept finding my chat where I left and even if someone has replied to me or not lol cuz there are so many ppl and texts !!! 😭😭

Heyy, thanks a lot mate 🙂

[final ravine]

Did you make a cool site?

[spark cloak]

Hey, planning to go to UWaterloo in Canada next year, and was wondering how good of a reputation it has with tech companies in the states? If I'm studying CS or data science, what kind of job prospects can I expect and how much should I do on my own if I want to go into data science specifically? Thanks!

[fringe sphinx]

That's a lot of questions in one. No idea on school rank, but 'how much should you do on your own': a lot

School gives you tools, but you need to practice them to get good

[spark cloak]

Sorry didn't mean to cram them all together like that. But so what specific do you think I should work on? Cause Waterloo has a coop program that starts at the end of year 1, and I preferably want to get a job at that point

I have experience in some data science stuff so far and I've been trying to study math behind it, plus I have other projects made but they're not specifically data science just more general things

[fringe sphinx]

Start at the beginning: code. Often. Do projects. Be confident that you can start and finish a coding project.

[spark cloak]

Is there something specific I should be doing to build up a portfolio for data science specifically though?

[fringe sphinx]

I can't speak to that, but if you're just starting, you have a lot of basic coding skills to develop first

[spark cloak]

I'm not a beginner to programmer per say, I have a few years of experience in a couple different languages, but I'm just concerned about still not having enough to be able to land a coop

[true harness]

Waterloo is very good

[alpine whale]

What is the best way to find strong python backend engineers with 5+ years kubernetes, terraform, kafka & database experience these days? LinkedIn?

[dim pelican]

I’m finally getting a job offer 😃 it’s been a long 2 year fight with my job but at last it’s happening.

[fringe sphinx]

Im a bit more pragmatic about it: the only thing you can do is: keep doing incrementally more challenging projects that are aligned or complementary to your career goals. Do projects that force you to learn things in your chosen specialty, repeat. Hard to give more specific advice because it depends on your experience, skills and interest.

[fringe sphinx]

Go to meetups, or ask for references. Personal recommendations are my preferred way of hiring.

[true harness]

you can ask in #data-science-and-ml

[glad elm]

Im just starting with python rn, and I got my bases from C and Java, can someone recommend me a way to start python. 🙏

[fringe sphinx]

Check out the tips in #python-discussion message

[glad elm]

Thank you

[fringe sphinx]

And feel free to ask a lot of questions!

[azure mango]

I wonder
If my skillset is systems test engineering with a focus on test automation, trying to move down towards hardware with HIL stuff, especially with a bend towards robotics and automotive...

What's a python project I could do to both have something interesting on my resume that'd actually matter to hiring managers + up my general overall Python skills

Hardware automated test framework with Pytest and docker?

[buoyant seal]

i wrote some thoughts on the topic of how to pick portfolio impressive projects
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html

The answer i suggest: not building horse in a business vacuum projects which has no life beyond their first implementation

build smth u actually care about, wishing to build for fun. Some game modding or other stuff.
Build smth u need as every day tool.
As long as what u make actually has users, it will have bug/feature requests and will reach far more impressive maturity as a project
Than building one time off project that imitates business like stuff

building projects that have actually life ensures their progression and their development during their career (if u continue spending time towards them)
Thus they remain relevant to your portfolio

projects that have no life tend to become too shitty in a year or two when person outgrew his past skills. Projects with continued life has a chance for a better situation

[hearty island]

goddamnit. i got an interview and it's only $85K in NYC. fuck.

why am i getting cooked like this

[past zealot]

When putting a project down in your CV, do you mention it's a university project? I feel like if i did that, it'd seem I don't have any passion doing my own projects. But if i don't mention it as such, i feel bad. (i am a second year cs student applying for an internship)

[past zealot]

bruh aint that pretty high enough though, though you could get 100k+ but still

[hearty island]

not for nyc, i need 125K -150K

[fringe sphinx]

In office?

[hearty island]

yep

back office, risk monitoring and compliance

[fringe sphinx]

That's tough, city is so expensive

[hearty island]

yea i’m getting cooked. might as well stay at my firm and stay tough

[fringe sphinx]

Good for you for looking

[hearty island]

always gotta hedge the risk

[fringe sphinx]

Also, they might adjust their offer. Not crazy if they like you

[hearty island]

meh unlikely i only have 6 months of exp

my boomer parents want me to stay at my firm till i die

[fringe sphinx]

Always be negotiating, worst they can say is no. In this case, it's reasonable to say that's just not competitive for full time in office in NYC.

[fringe sphinx]

lol, I have family members like that. Luckily my father was like me: changed jobs for the challenge

[hearty island]

nah my dad’s stayed at canon his entire time

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, it's definitely a thing. Ppl sometimes just don't understand how employers aren't the same.

[hearty island]

canon treated him like shit

[craggy vale]

For learning deep learning and all about neural networks, what resource should I use

[peak halo]

Check the pins

In #data-science-and-ml
Which is where I thought we were

[rugged axle]

How does this look now I added animations and stuff it still needs a lot of work https://x1vi.github.io/my-website/

[wicked fractal]

Been learning from this youtube channel named as "Tech with tim" !

You guys tell me some websites or youtube channels from which i can learn python from scratch !

[azure mango]

hmm, i could make a funny little automated test framework for hardware projects, hopefully i can avoid buying an oscilloscope with script control though

[gloomy ermine]

How old should i be to start working as a developer for someone?

[vapid jay]

old enough

[gloomy ermine]

I mean experience…

[vapid jay]

do you have a degree?

do you have experience?

[buoyant seal]

a path of least resistance can be as soon as u graduated from CS degree. (or earlier if u managed to get internships during university studies)

[gloomy ermine]

Not really but im going to get a Python Institute certificate soon( well i hope)

[vapid jay]

NICE!!

[gloomy ermine]

Ive been programming for about 1 year

[vapid jay]

the trick is to never abandon the long and mid-term goals

in my opinion

[gloomy ermine]

Okay 👍

[vapid jay]

if you complete a cert, then you for the next, etc. All the while working your way up

neglecting education is the dumbest thing you could

of course how you order it and set it is your responsibility

[buoyant seal]

Certifications from non official parties are not valuable though.
Best certificate is diploma 😏

Also it can be very beneficial climbing your skills by practice in some pet projects, instead of chasing certs

[vapid jay]

Is not about chasing certs

is the motion of always being learning new things

[vapid jay]

This is true, you should not waste your money in fake certs

But for people who cannot go to college there's valid and reputable ways to go subject over subject in an ordered way as they work

[gloomy ermine]

What should i have in my portfolio?

[buoyant seal]

Cert programs are usually teaching a dumb array of stuff u need to remember to pass exam and forget later.
Sounds like not very good path to me 😛

Your own self studies can be built upon actually learning actually useful stuff in practicing skills more throughly in pet projects
and learning things in depth with books
Grabbing quickly essentials/how to use some tech if necessary with reading official documentation

[vapid jay]

You know that if say you got an 8-5 job there's ways to go over a major subject by subject, right?

Like you can have a day job and yet fix yourself to say go during night for 4 months to an algo class and then give a few exams and present projects and get the credits

[fringe sphinx]

There's no specific satisfying answer to this. The idea is that projects should reflect what you've learned and are interested in. It's the side effect of your learning, and reflects you.

To keep it simple: stop thinking of a portfolio as the goal. It's a side effect.

[buoyant seal]

good wording. @gloomy ermine portfolio is reflection of your interests.
Good portfolio is filled with whatever u find the most interest in.
Used technologies in it only reflect preference towards specific job role, but not requirement at all to do everything in specific tech stacks.
As long as you show... good application of at least related programming language towards set goals, that's already enough.

Portfolio built upon smth you have no interests for = has no chances to live and being impressive.

😏 Build pet projects with smth related to even game modding development, or whatever is the most fun for you. Other devs/geeks will understand you and will find them impressive (if they are having unique flavour to them / feature richness /user base ) regardless how silly they are for non tech people
Pet projects are made to practice your own skills and to be appreciated usually by other devs.

Topic of portfolio for freelancers that can be needed impressive for Non Tech people is a separate issue potentially.

[alpine hill]

i create another help if you want
https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1035199133436354600/threads/1342136165595222098

[analog sun]

!timeout 1210961361375334522 Do not use ableist language as an insult

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @alpine hill until <t:1740064262:f> (1 hour).

[analog sun]

!cban 993356831185444974 scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @pastel thorn permanently.

[peak halo]

can you tell us about the experience that you have?

what jobs, if any, have you had that involve programming?
have you made open source contributions?

if you won't put it on your resume, then it effectively didn't happen.

I fear that if the only relevant experience that you have are open source contributions, and you don't have any prior jobs or education that relates to programming, you'll lose every entry-level job to someone with a degree. But you can always try.

I think you need to have a contingency plan.

Networking can potentially cover shortfalls in other areas, yes

I think @fringe sphinx said that you need at least two of {degree, experience, networking}

[lost cypress]

got a faang new grad interview in a few hours

can anyone give me a banger question to ask the engineer thats interviewing me

i already have a lot of questions im interested in asking but im just trying to see if theres one more rly good one I can ask

[analog sun]

Hello @open berry , your message was removed for violating rule 9 regarding paid work

[open ivy]

Anyone had experience with RobertHalf or other recruiters to get a job?

[lost cypress]

Is it weird to ask interview for their email at the end of a technical virtual interview? just so I could follow up with a thank you and such

or do i just not follow up when im in a situation where I'm not provided the interviewer's last name/contact

[fringe sphinx]

No, I wouldn't ask. It's an interview, and the recruiter is your point of contact for the company.

[lost cypress]

true, thank you

[lost cypress]

do u have any for this btw? @fringe sphinx no prob if not

[fringe sphinx]

"If you hire me, how could I exceed your expectations?"

Or "What's the top thing you'd like a new hire to learn / study before starting?"

[lost cypress]

bangers, thanks so much

[open ivy]

My concern with (agent-type) recruiters is that they will spray my resume everywhere and that will make it harder for me to apply again in my own terms.

I don't know how valid this concern is?

[near ocean]

im not sure thats how they work

you can already spray your resume everywhere, what use would they be

[open ivy]

Leave it to the pros. I am not that good at job applications, there are people who are far better than me. Why can't I let them do it for a share of my wage? There are two main things recruiters are good at:

1. Automation. They will likely have much better automation systems in place for sending out applications. Sure, I could build my own, but why reinvent their wheel?

2. Matching. I struggle to extract much in the way of meaningful information from job descriptions (the particular tech stack is secondary to the skills I bring to the table). A recruiter would have a better idea of what the work entails and which positions are more of a laser match to what I will do.

I hope my recruiter does more of (2) than (1). It does not look that good to shotgun your resume everywhere, as it communicated a lack of care about any particular company.

[fringe sphinx]

Third party (agent) recruiters are very important. They don't just spray your resume everywhere: that's a waste of their time. They select down and give the companies the best candidates

They definitely don't pass resumes they know won't get hired.

[open ivy]

That is good news! Would you call RoberHalf a third party recruiter?

[fringe sphinx]

At small companies, I've used these types of recruiters a lot. I generally build a good working relationship, and they take the time to send me 10-20 "good" resumes in a batch... not hundreds.

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know them specifically, but looking quickly, yes.

(I'm not sure tho, or are they a staffing company?)

[open ivy]

THey have a lot of negative reviews, but maybe that is a biaed sample? They are a temp agency.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, a temp agency = staffing, meaning you work for them under contract.

[vapid jay]

calibayzone i like your profile picture

[fringe sphinx]

They do staffing and recruiting, two very diff things

[fringe sphinx]

I got my first startup job through a recruiter many years ago too... wouldn't have even found the opportunity without them.

[open ivy]

How did you reach out the recruiter? LinkedIn networking? Or was it by signing up to a site such as RobertHalf?

[fringe sphinx]

I don't remember. It was decades ago

[near ocean]

i would avoid the big ones tbh
RobertHalf, HunterBond, etc

some of these agencies absolutely spam linkedin with the same job description, its infuriating

they also tend to call first, in the UK at least, and i hate that

[open ivy]

Why can't there just be a simple website that you go and it matches you?

Because I think that getting a job is essentially a social task. It cannot be turned into a formulaic matching process. Thus there is no better way than creating and maintaining relationships.

Talking to small-scale recruiters is no exception, and is a good idea as it places you closer to a source of jobs.

[lilac yoke]

anyone have a good resume template? I honestly think mine might be getting blacklisted by the scanners lol

[near ocean]

in the pins, Jake's resume

[lilac yoke]

ah thanks

[covert steeple]

Sorry if this has been already asked, but what are you all's opinion on certifications? I have looked into some of the AWS but have seen mixed informtation on the pros and cons...

[peak halo]

They're not an alternative to a degree. Some certs have perceived value for specific roles.

[slate prairie]

Between AWS, gcp and azure, which cloud platform is the most in demand among recruiters? (From a data science perspective)

[fringe sphinx]

That presumes that cloud skills are important and differentiating to data science positions. I'm not sure that's true. Perhaps for data engineering, though.

[pine sleet]

i don't think the specific provider is important. they all share a lot of the same concepts

[slate prairie]

So suppose if I get proficient in AWS but my next job works exclusively on GCP, the transition would be easy for me?

[pine sleet]

shouldn't take you too long yeah

[unkempt lintel]

Hi I have an question for anybody who is interested. do you think that the pace of Artificial Intelligence and its direct impact on those who rely on human intelligence to make a living. Is it reaching a point where evidently artificial intelligence is being poised to take away all the jobs and make them unemployed

[pine sleet]

it's hard to tell the future of course but I don't think AI is nearly at a point where it can fully replace and do better than humans at most jobs

people are still figuring out AI, where it fits with their workflows and how to use it best. if you can get ahead of that you'll be set

[unkempt lintel]

Tell that to 500 billion investments

[true turtle]

Hey @pulsar warren, I've deleted your message since it's offtopic for this channel

[coral basin]

Hi, I have a question. Is there a channel where you can look for assignments or something like that? Because I'm a python programmer with a porfolio, but I don't know if it can be done here.

[fringe sphinx]

No, we don't allow recruiting or job postings here.

[tidal olive]

Bangladesh @fringe sphinx

[placid hill]

I'm from Bangladesh, and most people earn way above $200.

[tidal olive]

How ?

[placid hill]

What do you mean how?

[tidal olive]

Afaik the entry salary is about $200

In most software companies

[placid hill]

Depends on the company, if you're working for some random, run of the mill company that only seeks to exploit it's employees, then sure

[tidal olive]

Do you live here?

[placid hill]

but it's around $400-500 usually

[tidal olive]

That's like at least 1 year experienced

[placid hill]

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the company. But that's the range I've seen the most.

[tidal olive]

Still isn't a lot

[placid hill]

Sure, but it's a heck of a lot more than 50 cents a day

[tidal olive]

It's about quantity

[placid hill]

It's not, I'm telling you from personal experience, you don't want such an unstable income.

[tidal olive]

If one website on average can make 50 cents everyday on average then 100 can make $50 everyday

[placid hill]

Apply for jobs, gather experience, work for better companies

[tidal olive]

I am on my 3rd year ... I can't apply rn

[placid hill]

And then, possibly move aboard if you want.

[placid hill]

A lot of people apply for jobs during their 3rd & final year.

[tidal olive]

Ik . But I was thinking how I can earn money by myself rather than working for a company.

I like to do everything by myself not a good corporate or team person.

[near ocean]

Youre not going to make it far in this career if you dont like working in a team

[placid hill]

Starting your own business requires a lot more effort, and since considering all you have right now is: "A random website, 50 cents a day, a 100 of them", honestly: it's gonna fail.

[tidal olive]

That's what I was asking

If it's that much of a bad idea I'd try something else

[placid hill]

Working well in a team is a skill but not impossible to learn, you shouldn't avoid it

[tidal olive]

I am gonna major in DS ... So is there any other way I can have side income by not working for a company or a job ?

[placid hill]

It's not side income then, it's full-time

Join the Future Entrepreneurs Bangladesh Discord server, there are a lot of people there who are familiar with the local market.

[fringe sphinx]

It only takes a year to get one year xp

[placid hill]

I'm not sure if I can send a Discord link here 🤔

[fringe sphinx]

You can try, if it's not allow listed, it'll block

[tidal olive]

You can kindly send in dms

[placid hill]

I don't really want to take this to DMs

[tidal olive]

Oh sorry mb

I'll search it up

[placid hill]

Can I get a whitelist pwease pwease 🥺 👉👈

[fringe sphinx]

Could you dm modmail with the link? It's a team decision.

[placid hill]

Alrigh!

[radiant abyss]

hello! everyone. I am new here and new to python can anyone help me how i should learn python...

[vital drum]

there are many free resources and videos throughout the web

[radiant abyss]

yeah, iIsaw some of those videos. how much time did it take for you guys to learn to code and how long was it

[vital drum]

no matter how far we get, we're always learning
after all it's called a "language" for a reason
just keep building projects on what you have learned

[radiant abyss]

yeah true 🙂 any tips will help

[gritty rivet]

As this is the career channel, I will emphasize that if you decide you're serious about programming professionally, then you should focus on getting a CS degree.

[radiant abyss]

i have heard about cs50 is that helpful or what?

[gritty rivet]

I've not done it but it absolutely does look like a great place to start

[radiant abyss]

really thks 🙂

[vital drum]

just be passionate and never let the spark go away

[gritty rivet]

Try it and see. If it doesn't click with you, move on and try something else. How you learn and what you learn isn't as important as finding whatever engages you and keeps you moving forward step by step with persistent effort

[vapid jay]

Hey everyone!

I’m Demmy—a student, entrepreneur, and artist based in NYC. After hitting some rough patches, I decided to take control of my life by focusing on fitness, health, and creativity. I recently fell in love with art and am now building an online store to share my work.

My goal is to break free from the 9-5, support my parents’ retirement, and create a life of independence. Excited to connect, learn, and grow with all of you!

[pine sleet]

welcome!

[woeful spruce]

how long does it take to master python

[fringe sphinx]

About same time it takes to master tennis 🙂 (it depends)

Weeks to months to be able to start doing useful things

And a lifetime to be a master

[woeful spruce]

bill bobby do you python like a pro

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, I program Python professionally

[woeful spruce]

ok bet

is there any help on this sever or is it just a discussion

[fringe sphinx]

There are help channels #❓｜how-to-get-help

[woeful spruce]

ok bet

[crisp scroll]

like i said before it depends per person

just like in school, some people learn easier than others. only way to find out if by just trying and seeing for yourself

[junior marsh]

i wanna do cybersecurity, how proficient do i need to be at python

[analog wigeon]

you should be proficient with it

@fringe sphinx hey whats up briskettaco

[hard willow]

what are some high paying jobs
?

[deft herald]

NFL quarterback

[main nova]

Hello! I am @main nova , AI & Backend Developer with 5+ years of experiences.
Now I am looking for a new job opportunity.

[minor vigil]

Many years

[minor vigil]

It provides a glimpse into low level computer science concepts, the class is in C. C is much harder to pick up than python, but it's useful to have some understanding of such concepts. It can't hurt you, only help you. Yes you can learn python without knowing C, but eventually , knowing what's going on underneath the hood will help you understand programming

[minor vigil]

1 Year of focused study at 40 hours a week got me an internship. But I treated studying like it was an actual job

[minor vigil]

Being a solo contractor requires that you can build actual software good enough that people would pay money for it. Can you do that?

[scarlet elk]

Whichever won’t burn you out eg make you not like your job

Find what really interests you and stick it thru. You always have the option to pivot. But I’m still in college. Maybe the seasoned professionals can give you more sound industry advice

Linus Torvalds built Git and the Linux kernel as projects a long time ago. The OG seems like he did alright for himself

[sullen crystal]

Hey mates I am 19 , i just bought m3 16/256 recently I know basics of programming languages like python , GOLANG.

I want to go in the field of aiml but I'm not going to any college , instead of this I am dedicated to learn by my self so my question is are there any prerequisites like is it necessary to know web dev to learn ml and last question is is my m3 16/256 enough to learn and get an internship or job in ml ai.

Sorry for my English 😅

[regal axle]

Well … it depends ™️

Ok first the easy one; web dev and ML are not related in any way. So learning one won’t really help you learn the other.

The next easyish one. You computer is powerful enough to learn things. Depends what you want to learn though. And while many models can be ran on apple silicon, many more systems are designed around CUDA. and CUDA is nvidia only …
But that just means you can’t train some models efficiently. However, for the purposes of learning, you don’t need to do crazy training and models.

All that said; getting into AI/ML without a degree is … basically impossible. Hard to say for certain. What country do you live in? But the expectation is that ML is a field that requires higher education to enter. You could maybe get away with some data science related field and try to climb your way up from there. Yet, every step of that is also hard. Most “data science” also expects a degree.

Based on the way you write, it sounds like you are pretty new to this field. Learn what you want to learn. Try many things. Anything can be done in any language. You can worry about what is the “best language” later. Once you have been doing this for long enough, picking up a new programming language is not that hard. So sticking with one or two languages while you learn the foundations, is a good thing.

[spiral citrus]

hey , i know python . I joined a startup before 3months . and they put me in opencv projects. now im working on yolo. but i didnt know how to build a career from here. is Opencv is enough to get a good career or else i need to study ML?DL concepts . i need a counseling

[fringe sphinx]

The thing is: as a beginner, you should learn a little of all of those things. Being a solid programmer with diverse skills is sufficient specialization for your first job.

[fringe sphinx]

'Is XYZ enough for a career'? No matter what XYZ is, you need to keep learning new things. Software engineering is a career path of continual learning.

[fringe sphinx]

If I had a job involving OpenCV, I'd certainly start reading / studying the theory behind it and related topics. That's what I've done my whole career - dig deeper into whatever 'domain' my job involves.

[rugged plover]

hi guys i m new

[tidal olive]

I am hoping I can with the advancement of AI

[sullen crystal]

Ohh i see thank you brother for this long explanation, iam not doing any college but I think if mlai need a degree so I won't make it , but can you please tell me bro that what should I do to get a job in 7-8 months iam dedicated to it cause iam having a limited time to learn , so I can get atleast an offer of 60k usd starting

[fringe sphinx]

Aim for jobs with lower entry requirements. QA, support, operations, devrel, etc. Tech is a huge industry, and it's hard to land a software engineering job with: no degree, no experience and no network.

But, get your foot in the door and you can use your experience as a stepping stone.

[sullen crystal]

Gotcha mate thank you iam gonna start learning and building project

[violet spire]

Anyone good in studies..dm me

[solemn gust]

HELLO

[knotty aurora]

A very noble goal indeed

[deft pelican]

You should get a solid foundation in mathematics. Analysis, algebra, statistics, numerical methods. This takes a while.
Here is a free book on ML: https://smlbook.org/

[open ivy]

With job applications there becomes a point where the odds get so low it is worthless beyond an initial trial period and the occasional unique position.

But creating and maintaining social relationships is never worthless because it has benefits beyond just getting a job (i.e. networking is not just about networking).

[hard gazelle]

Almost all of my jobs, and certainly all the worthwhile jobs, came through social connections.

[open ivy]

Yes and so many people are lonely! Two birds with one stone.

[shadow arrow]

typicaly for average cyber security is 5 yrs experience maybe 3 yrs for beginner

and probabl 3 yr c++ mayb some rust and etc for beginner paired with

[balmy spade]

5 years experience with python for an average cyber security job? What field in security are you referring to?

[sullen crystal]

Thank you again but the thing is I am not going to college and ml jobs require degrees without degree no ones gonna hire me , so I am thinking i should do some other tech stack 🥲

[umbral frigate]

!rule ad Please remove your post

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[deft herald]

wtf is a YOLO developer

[hexed prism]

google it python Developer

[umbral frigate]

Like I said, please remove your post. Unapproved advertising isn't appropriate in this server.

[agile snow]

tushar please refrain from insulting others

[hexed prism]

whats the purpose of being here learning 2014 coding tectics?

[agile snow]

please leave the server if you plan on dissing python this is a python oriented server and is made to discuss python focused coding tips for devs

[hexed prism]

im not dissing just giving reality check to the server bots

[hushed falcon]

<@&831776746206265384>

[pine sleet]

?mute 1187244812227850260 you were already told not to advertise

wrong prefix

[agile snow]

thanks robin!!

[leaden jasper]

!ban 1187244812227850260 only here to advertise despite already being warned

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @hexed prism permanently.

[leaden jasper]

I'm not as nice as Robin

[agile snow]

Yes he got banned! serves him right W mods

[agile snow]

plus he called python a language for "bots" so he shouldn't be allowed here

[leaden jasper]

We don't ban people if they don't like Python, that's fine. But that's also not quite what he said. Either way it's fine and has been handled

[agile snow]

oops sorry thanks again though

[open ivy]

It's hard to hide the long-term effects of social rejection on my persona for interviews. This is a vicious cycle in socializing, more fear of rejection makes one more clingy which does not come across well which generates more rejection etc.

Subtle changes in voice, worrying about what if they don't like me, etc are hard to completely hide. I can instead stop the obvious signs and then hope that it flies under their radar. Preparing tech demos and putting that foot forward may also help distract them?

[hexed parcel]

[fading ruin]

👀

[hexed parcel]

👄
sup

[fading ruin]

Just wondering why I'm awake rn

[hexed parcel]

lmfao, that's a daily thought

[near ocean]

This channel isnt for chit chat, there are 3 offtopic channels for that

[hard gazelle]

Google on "T-shaped developer", but yeah, what @fringe sphinx said, don't get into this career if you're not committed to continuing to learn for the rest of your life.

[halcyon lichen]

Hey All anyone knows about HCI hyper Converged Infrastructure?

[fallow sundial]

!paste

[inner wren]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[bold forge]

please can somebody help me with my homework

[fringe sphinx]

Wrong channel, start in #python-discussion or open a help thread #❓｜how-to-get-help

[quaint lily]

What does a tech analyst do? From what i understand its not very much coding but still a role in tech

[sullen crystal]

Hey bro i am not going with aiml , but iam thinking about app dev , now iam confused which one is better cross platform vs hybrid apps

[true harness]

"analyst" is probably the most overloaded term in job titles. there's really no way to know what it means

[quaint lily]

Oh, so im just best off asking the employer?

[true harness]

yes

[quaint lily]

Ok, thanks

[near ocean]

from what i can see on linkedin analyst type ads ask for domain knowledge more than anything
common tech tools include excel, powerbi, tableau, sql flavour for whatever db they use
(and good communications skills)

[open ivy]

"excellent communication skills" is a universal thing on job applications.

But they don't explain what kinds of skills they want. It's like saying "excellent tech skills" without specifying the stack.

[vast thistle]

Who have a good tool termux mobile pls

Whit command pls

[ember dome]

Hello people

[paper tinsel]

.

[vapid jay]

Does anyone has advice for someone who will start working as software engineer react + Python with django ?

[fringe sphinx]

You landed a job? Congrats

Usual advice for anyone with their first job: be curious. Make a list of things you hear about and don't know: and try to keep crossing things out, even as you add to the list.

It might be programming related, maybe business related, or maybe something about how the customers. Don't ignore topics outside your job.

[vapid jay]

Yes it was quite long period of trying, a lot of interviews where I was at final stage. Thank you, u are right organised list with unknown topics is great. In my previous job as DA I didn’t do it, but from today’s perspective I should do it - it does not mean that I wasn’t curious. Once again thanks for advice

[fringe sphinx]

My other tip: watch conference videos. PyCon, Europython, or DjangoCon (since you mentioned Django), for instance. These are great at showing you things you didn't even know existed

[near ocean]

I dont think it needs to be explicit and im not sure theres a metric for it
Can you communicate ideas to other people? The interviewer will decide

[open ivy]

Either way I am "practicing" by meeting other people, making new friends, and other networking. Its the best I can do.
I have also been reducing the feedback-loop coupling on my social rejection, meaning detecting and reducing the bad social habits it has produced in me.

[fringe sphinx]

Practicing also helps. Many interview questions are predictable.

You'd be amazed how many people struggle with 'tell me about yourself'

I struggle with it if I'm not prepared.

[near ocean]

Im not sure meeting new people and presenting to clients or your team work the same communication muscles

[open ivy]

Its so vague that I would rephrase and specify the question before answering it. I think this is *part *of the test.

A big part of most jobs is to take a vague idea, such as "make this code cleaner" and turn it into a specific plan, such as "I will first focus on package xyz because it is under active development and has a very bad god object anti-pattern. I will break it down by separating the database stuff from the cloud-instance server stuff and .... Next comes package 123 because ..."

[open ivy]

Maybe I should find a place where people get a chance to show progress reports as demos? A couple of game dev meetups were very good at this but my projects are somewhat off-topic to game-dev.

[near ocean]

You could practice with friends and family
Ask them to sit with you while you present and then have them ask questions

[fringe sphinx]

There are certain questions you should just prepare a simple answer for. Tell me about yourself, why do you want this job, why did you study computer science, tell me about a time you had to overcome adversity, etc.

They're easy questions where you can control the conversation and tell them what -you- want them to know

(And there's wonderful YouTube videos that you can find that'll give you ideas on how to answer)

[open ivy]

Yes, my stock answer will include rephrasing the question when it is vague.

The best way I can practice interviews right now is to network, as every interaction is a social one on top of actually getting interviews.

[near ocean]

imo these questions are about as useful as cover letters
The sooner the industry moves past them the better

[fringe sphinx]

My questions? Sure, but they're asked in some form or another.

The game is the game.

[near ocean]

I hate it all the same

[peak halo]

Nice rhyme

[fringe sphinx]

I was just trying to quote The Wire 🙂

[open ivy]

Stock answers do not take much effort. It is stupid, but it's a small problem that only costs a few hours total of your time to prepare fairly unique answers once and then reuse them. Car-dependent commutes, micromanagement, rigidity in how problems are solved, toxic workplaces, etc are all much better battles to fight (assuming that they are a problem with the particular job).

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, I love these questions because you don't have to give a stock answer

[open ivy]

Yes, your answer you prepare and can reuse between interviews is not the same as the stock answer everyone googles.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, yes, but if you google the questions, they'll actually tell you -how- to answer not what to say. What you don't want to do is repeat your resume, for instance: they already brought you in.

Focus on something you're excited about, something you can talk about with true energy and passion

[open ivy]

My physics simulation personal project is that.

[fringe sphinx]

And, find a way to express it succinctly... without going off on tangents/etc

That's very hard, we engineers like to over explain

[open ivy]

Yes. Thankfully I am getting quite a few chances to practice this in my networking even though getting interviews is hard for me.

[fringe sphinx]

You'll crush it, I'm sure.

I also really like this yt-er. A lot of his advice is about keeping it simple: https://www.youtube.com/@askvinh

[open ivy]

I doubt I will crush it, people have amazing variance in skill level. It's like everyone has a luck stat which can really help or hurt, but no amount of horseshoes and 4 leaf clovers and avoiding black cats changes the stat. There is likely a way to change it, but it's hard to pick out which charms out of the thousands of charms everyone says are powerful will do so.

That being said, my hybrid strategy of portfolio projects and networking is well worth it regardless of how hard getting a job is:

• If getting a job is hopeless no matter what I do, a strong network can ease the effects of future poverty.
• If getting a job is hard but doable for me, this is the best strategy (in terms of where to put the main effort) to maximize my odds.
• If jobs start flooding in, a strong portfolio will help me find a better match since it tells others (and me!) to know my interests.
• Portfolio projects and networking are also quite fun and give me a sense of meaning, warding off depression.

It won't hurt to throw in a few Youtube videos and market research here and there; askvinh seems like a good start.

[fringe sphinx]

Speaking of luck, tehre's an old joke about a hiring manager who would throw out half the resumes he received.

When asked why, he said: "I don't hire unlucky people"

[open ivy]

Honestly I do think that randomizing the resumes, as long as they are decent enough, would help for those who are flooded with applicants. Less splitting hairs and picking that one super-well-done resume that everyone wants, more chance of picking good-but-neglected candidates.

[fringe sphinx]

For sure. That's what I've done in small tech... small tech hiring is very different than big tech.

[open ivy]

Why can there just be a big website that matches people with jobs and works reasonably well? There is a meaningful unmet need here, but it seems to be an unsolvable problem.

RobertHalf can take over half of the salary (from the company technically, but ultimately that means less employee salary). Very inefficient and huge overhead.

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, pretty normal for a recruiter. If they bring me a candidate, and I hire them, then I pay them.

Doesn't impact the employee at all, tho

Depends largely on the job market tho. Pre-"crash", it was extremely hard to find ~~good ~~ any candidates.

Now, it's the opposite problem.

[open ivy]

Plenty of highly experienced people laid off? Those are great for open source and just people to talk to. Useful for longer term career goals.

[analog glade]

How much time did it take you?

rough estimate is acceptable

[rotund galleon]

Hi, I’m still learning python right now, would you say the market is really competitive for python coders as there is many of them

[balmy spade]

I would say that the market is thirsty for programmers that have a passion for continued improvement and have, at least, one deeply understood domain they've explored. Python is just a language in a pool of languages.

[open ivy]

Yes that makes sense. Language less important at higher skill levels.

[balmy spade]

I'd argue the language is less important at any skill level in which you enter the workforce. You need an understanding of how programming works. That's going to include problem solving, testing, structuring, and any tools that support it. Your hard skills aren't the language, it's the fact that you understand how programming can accomplish a goal. You know how to learn what you don't know. You have even just the start of the discipline needed to do that.

Language matters when you've figured out what you want to build and need something to build it in. That's in both the professional field and in the personal projects field.

[austere swan]

I'm going to drop out the school , im 16 , im in ai/ml(1.5+month) and software(6+months) development, wanna become entrepreneur/business man , soon I will start monetizing my skills
Any advice ----- , please don't give advice of not dropping out
I proud of what I did and doing and will going to do .

[balmy spade]

Good luck. Most successful entrepreneurs I'm aware of only dropped out of school after they were successful.

So, a piece of advice that isn't directly related: When you leap into the unknown, be certain there is something to land on.

[austere swan]

You mean when to stop ?

[balmy spade]

No. When you jump, you don't get to choose when you stop. You only choose how you might land. Jumping without having a plan, or the skills, to give you all the options seems needlessly risky. There's already a ton that can go wrong. Why pile up the chances of failure?

[austere swan]

But I need some technical advice
Anyways anyone can suggest:
So the problem currently I am facing in ai/ml side , I really not know where to stop in maths , currently did lot of linear algebra (matrices, vectors, lot of stuff) , I fell geometric interpretation very helpful , so like i wanna ask these type of things can really help me , and broadly asking is these type of things can break stagnation ?

[austere swan]

Yeah , I think what I observed till now, in journey that things become clear and clear only when you proceed in the journey .

[deep knot]

Hi everyone,

I’m applying for a summer internship at a hospital and have been asked to submit a 3-minute video answering the following questions:

1. Describe a project you have led and what role you played in collaborating with others.
2. Talk about something you have achieved that you are proud of. What did you do, and what were the results?
3. Describe a situation where you faced challenges in working with others, such as a conflict or differing opinions that led to friction.

I want to make sure my answers are structured well and impactful without sounding too rehearsed. Does anyone have any advice on how to approach these questions effectively? Should I use a storytelling approach, focus on results, or keep it concise and to the point?

The internship involves working within different departments, such as Medical Technology, Medical Diagnostics, and Production, to drive projects that contribute to healthcare improvement. Interns will work independently with support from a dedicated supervisor, leading data-driven analysis, process improvements, and workflow optimization projects. Tasks may include data visualization (e.g., Tableau), process mapping, and developing technical solutions to enhance hospital operations. The role also involves collaborating with healthcare professionals and technical teams to ensure projects align with clinical and operational needs.

Would love to hear how others have tackled similar video interview formats!

Thanks in advance for your help! 😊

[fringe sphinx]

At least the military will take you.

(Not even joking, it's a fine backstop)

[austere swan]

I think we met before, anyways why ?

[true harness]

they take everyone

[near ocean]

(depending on your health)

[austere swan]

I'm good

[pine sleet]

have you finished high school at least?

[austere swan]

my laptop not able to run 11 billion parameters model

Can I say it potato

[near ocean]

Your hardware dont matter at all

[austere swan]

My exams are going on , but I not study much for it , however I don't what will be my parents reaction, my focus is on my career skills, so I think I will fail on high school, idc

[near ocean]

🤨

[pine sleet]

you need to make sure you pass and get a high school diploma at least. you will find it next to impossible to get a job without a high school diploma

[near ocean]

No grades no career, i think they teach you this in school

[pine sleet]

your career and your grades are not completely orthogonal either

[austere swan]

Skills matter

[pine sleet]

people won't look at your skills in the first place if they see you don't even have a high school diploma

your resume is just going to get binned because they have a hundred other applicants with bachelors degrees

also many of those applicants will be just as skilled as you

[austere swan]

They will , they have to , I will start from start-ups and eventually start my startup

[pine sleet]

they don't have to. they have many high skilled candidates with degrees

[austere swan]

Colleges and schools are just burning a time and money

[pine sleet]

most industry professionals would disagree

[austere swan]

That's the thing quality people are less , on those quality people the people who love their work they doing are even more less

[near ocean]

What makes you more quality than the billion graduates with portfolios and excellent degrees on the market

[austere swan]

I can work All hours , but I think 5 hours sleep have to be taken by human that I don't like, love my work so much , enjoy journey than destination, my free time is learning about new technologies unlike others . Lastly, i never give up until the last breath

My schedule , that I love to follow daily

*lo = lot

[near ocean]

🙄 you'll try and do this and realise you made a mistake because you wont even find regular blue collar work, let alone fancy tech work and then you'll be back to getting your high school diploma while having wasted a couple years chasing a pipe dream

May as well not do that, finish high school, go to college, work hard, get nice cushy high paying tech job like everyone else

Of course if you want to make it easier for your competition go right ahead

[austere swan]

I think you not understand, what company want and what they don't matter, this is my observation . I will offer them quality and solutions, and they will offer me money .

School already wasted my lot of time , not more now.

[near ocean]

Ok, check back here when you have a tech job and do let us know your story in getting it

[pine sleet]

its not that simple

[fringe sphinx]

Working your way up from the bottom is a strategy. Just don't expect to land a "dream" job with: no degree, no experience and no network.

[austere swan]

Maybe at that time I will be focusing on my startup .
Again most simple:
School and colleges will teach you nothing, the things they teach are not that comes in the life , will not give you money, not any company needs it , all world wants your ability and willingness to contribute , that lot of people not wanna do with their heart .

[pine sleet]

i really don't think you understand how it actually is. this is not at all how it works

school is what you make of it. you can learn a lot of relavent things, or you can just go to class and do the bare minimum and get Cs

[near ocean]

I dont think youre in a position to say that school and college teaches you nothing when youre barely half way through the usual schooling most commonly required for software development

[pine sleet]

high school probably doesn't teach you a whole lot. it's just a minimum requirement you need to get through. but you learn a lot more interesting and relavent things in college

[austere swan]

I don't have a dream job , I have business, that exist in the future , I am just taking steps

And Anything can do for that

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, good luck. Just don't ignore the fact that: employers look for degrees, and without a degree, certain doors will be closed.

[austere swan]

College is my anxiety, it's fucking stupid joke 🤣

[pine sleet]

it's only a joke if you treat it like that. the majority of companies want their software engineers to have a bachelor's at minimum. you'll have an incredibly difficult time otherwise

[austere swan]

If 0.000000000001% all doors will be closed , I just make my one

[pine sleet]

i was anxious about it too when i was in high school but you get used to it within a semester. it's pretty fun after that

[near ocean]

Where is that stat about 90% of startups failing (within 2 years)

[fringe sphinx]

There's many types of startups. I hate startups. I like "small businesses" with great aspirations.

[near ocean]

Absolutely gigantic aspirations

[austere swan]

It's not pretty fun wasting a lot of time everyday , just learn what matters to you and what this world want , and most important learn the things you love

[pine sleet]

if you just learn what you want you won't learn the stuff that's necessary

college will make you learn a lot of things even if you don't want to, and makes you generally well rounded and more flexible. companies like that

[austere swan]

Everyone fails , I think it's normal like when baby try to walk but it fails, first time, it's so normal, idk why people fear from it lot , it's just a process, you just have to keep making steps, that's all you should and can do

[pine sleet]

well your business failing is pretty scary if you don't have a fallback option

most of the successful people like were already rich so it doesn't matter if their businesses failed since they had money anyway

[austere swan]

Shoot out college

[pine sleet]

hm?

[austere swan]

Not everyone was rich the point they started, some also not expect they will fall so low
Your backup should be money that's it .

Aesthetic and procrastination is killing this world

[pine sleet]

yes. but in your case most people would recommend you stay in school, and finish a bachelor's in computer science so you can go into software engineering. you can start a business then as well once you've already built up capital

it's hard to start a business with nothing and even worse if it doesn't work out

[near ocean]

This is why you baby proof the house, exercise the baby, teach them to walk, talk, behave
You dont let it "drop out" of being parented

[austere swan]

That's a kid thought, you should not

[plush summit]

I mean atleast you can start investing young

[pine sleet]

quite the opposite. IMO you don't have the experience yet to tell what you want to do is not a good idea

lot of people think school is boring and they'll be rich without it as a kid

[near ocean]

In the UK at least, you cant invest as a minor, you need a guardian to do it for you

[pine sleet]

i'm not saying don't invest, i'm saying don't drop out of high school and try to start a business

[austere swan]

Believe in self practice, ultimately the steps who take is you not anybody for you .

[fringe sphinx]

If you're familiar with decision theory, it's about managing expected outcomes. There are paths where the expected value is very low, or where there's extremely low chance of success... and there are paths with good average returns.

[plush summit]

fair ig unless you really have something going alr ig

[austere swan]

Haaaaaa , colleges not giving average returns

[fringe sphinx]

You have an awful lot of confidence in your opinions.

[pine sleet]

it does. the average salary is much higher, and most companies require it

[plush summit]

i mean most ppl don t invest when they are 18 so would consider that youing

[fringe sphinx]

Hmm, what age is required to open a robinhood account?

Ah, 18

[austere swan]

It's just children schichology that they let them push in their final years of college , and then college takes a credit ,
I think you not understand, and I just wasting time in this chit chat ,
I should sleep some

[pine sleet]

it's not childish. ask anyone working in the industry. if they don't have a degree, they'll tell you they wish they did. if they did, they'll tell you it was worth it

[fringe sphinx]

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

[austere swan]

I think children in colleges are becoming angry here when they hear reality, what matters and what not .

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're trying to insult people unnecessarily.

[pine sleet]

nobody is angry. we're just trying to tell you what you want to do has a low rate of success

[fringe sphinx]

I've been a hiring manager for many years, I'm sharing my experience.

[austere swan]

Haaaaaa

[pine sleet]

many CS majors will go on to do very well for themselves. certainly more than the people they're competing with without degrees.

[austere swan]

Idc even if I die right now, idk why people afraid of everything

[pine sleet]

i don't see how that's relavent

[near ocean]

Thats such a teenage angsty thing to say

[austere swan]

I should sleep, here people are just burning of jealousy

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, have a good night.

[pine sleet]

[hallow lily]

so i absolutely need college in order to actually get hired?

you seem like a reasonable person to converse with about this type of things

[true harness]

generally, yes

[summer roost]

"absolutely", no, but most developers have degrees, and not having a degree puts you at a disadvantage that makes it much harder to get hired

[hallow lily]

Ok was thinking of quitting because I struggle with maladaptive daydreaming and adhd so it's hard to pay attention in class or remain focused on something

[near ocean]

Dont do that

[summer roost]

are you seeking treatment for those conditions?

[hallow lily]

Nahh

Hard to get treatment for a mental condition

[summer roost]

of all the mental conditions out there, ADHD is among the most easily treated by far

no reason to play life on hard mode.

[hallow lily]

I'll look into it

What about the other one?

[summer roost]

I know less about it, but I'd still recommend working with a professional on it. If you're finding it impossible to manage classes, I can't imagine that managing a job will go any more smoothly

[hallow lily]

I have perfect attendance, just find it hard to concentrate in classes

[summer roost]

I'd anticipate that problem following you into your career

[hallow lily]

Never thought of it that way

I just assumed most of my worries would be solved before I became an adult

[true harness]

it's actually the other way around 🥴

[summer roost]

yeah... adults tend to have a lot more worries than kids, heh

and problems related to mental health tend to take work to resolve. They're unlikely to just go away on their own

[hallow lily]

Well I guess most of the problematic adults we're once problematic children

[noble marsh]

Hello everyone i don't know if this the right place to ask or not but i hope it is

right know i have been working for almost 3 and half years now as back-end developer using Django
i feel like the last year i did not have any progress and i don't know what to do to become senior
i worked in 2 different software houses but i did not work on large scale projects before
and in interview when recruiters ask me what is some thing you made and so proud of i don't know what to tell them

actually i do some personal projects but i don't know if that actually useful or not i don't what projects would be really good and to make me unique

i really need someone with real experience to tell me what to do

[summer roost]

do you work with senior engineers? What do you see as the difference between the sort of work that they do and the sort of work that you do?

[fringe sphinx]

I have a 50 year old friend who just -this year- sought treatment for ADD through regular counseling. He described it as life changing.

[regal axle]

For various reasons; sometimes crunch is just impossible to avoid. It happens. How do you guys help manage and handle the psyche toll while in a period of extreme crunch?
I have to keep working and pushing. I have no choice. But at the same time, my quality of work is suffering. But slowing down is worse of a solution because ... well it isn't an option for one. And also, the guilt and pain of not working while there is all that needs to get done, leaves me in a worse state than if I burry myself in more work.

[balmy spade]

But slowing down is worse
Taking breaks and ensuring the quality of the work remains steady will, in the long run, reduce the time spent on the work.

the guilt and pain of not working while there is all that needs to get done,
Your body is a biological machine. It needs to be kept in shape mentally and physically in order to perform. Try replacing the guilt and pain of not working with the knowledge that you are working. You're just working on a different important part of the project. You.

[fringe sphinx]

Is this a 'perpetual crunch mode' situation or truly just a brief crunch period?

(As a manager, I consider anything more than a short crunch an absolute failure in my part... and assume that crunch=worse outcome)

[summer roost]

For various reasons; sometimes crunch is just impossible to avoid.
Nope, strong disagree. "A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

[fringe sphinx]

Crunch => spiralling technical debt

[balmy spade]

Discovering where the crunch is coming from is key here. To echo the words above. Are you creating it? Is your management creating it? For both questions, learning why would go a long way in resolving the root issue.

I lived through four months of crunch a few years ago until I belatedly realized that I was making it all up myself. Hard discovery The pain was coming from within myself.

[fringe sphinx]

Rumor has it: game development is all crunch all the time

[true harness]

good question to ask your manager: "what do I need to do to get promoted"

[summer roost]

If a project I'm working on seems like it's gonna come in a week behind schedule, I feel like that's my fault, and I'm very likely to work extra hours to salvage that. If a project I'm working on seems like it's gonna come in a quarter behind schedule? Not my problem, someone above me screwed up.

[balmy spade]

Unfortunately true from what I've heard of friends in the industry. Though most of them have since left and a few gone indie. Their work only continues to improve as they move at a slower pace.

[regal axle]

Is this a 'perpetual crunch mode' situation or truly just a brief crunch period?
brief crunch period.

I have two separate life (work) responsibilities right now. Crashing in on me at the same time. Once this is over, I am making sure to never get in this situation again. But I am here now. And I can't change that. Too late.

Try replacing the guilt and pain of not working with the knowledge that you are working.
I am a creature of momentum. If I stop, I will sit there, as if a void onto myself. If I continue marching forward, yes, I will move slow; but I will be moving. It is like a fog of "depression" (it isn't at all but the concept is similar, around the ideas of self motivation to continue doing things important for my own health)

[fringe sphinx]

I believe in the 'no small slips' philsophy. If we're off by a week, then we're off by a month

[balmy spade]

I am a creature of momentum. If I stop, I will sit there
Then don't stop. Work out. Do crafts. Cook. Volunteer at a soup kitchen. Just because you're giving your body time needed to recover for the next sprint doesn't mean you just stop.

[balmy spade]

Does that philosophy mean that if your off by a week you'll hold the project to take the time needed, or does it mean being off by a week is as though you were off by a month?

[fringe sphinx]

If it looks like I'm missing by a week, then I demand a month (or more), more or less

[regal axle]

I feel this right now in a few ways. I am working really hard to get my first fully owned product (for this company) out the door. But I keep getting sucked in by other minor things. The pain of working without having produced something is also eating at me. And my manger knows this. They are doing everything they can to help get my stuff through. But there are real reasons why I have to do other things (we don't have enough resources and are activly working on getting more).

[balmy spade]

That's what I thought. Thanks for the clarity. Truly a "bi-monthly" moment. haha

[fringe sphinx]

Part of it is just accepting that planning is imprecise, so believing that a 1 week slip is only a week is just nonsense

[regal axle]

This is idealistic at best. I agree with you in principle. However, what if 1 month of extra time is just not possible? And 1 or 2 weeks is?
I get the whole "that is someone higher ups fault". But if you find yourself in that situation, you can't exactly ask for a whole extra month every time

[fringe sphinx]

Also, no small slips is from mythical man month

https://www.ghostweather.com/blog/archive/20060111-fred-brooks-and-late-projects/

[fringe sphinx]

My answers were from a managers perspective, as the higher up. (Doesn't really help you in this situation)

[summer roost]

moreover, if a project is running a month behind, there's been a failure of management to adapt to new information and update the targets. It's not news to them that we're running late, any more than it's news to me, so why haven't the targets been updated?

[regal axle]

Well,,, I am also on a really small team. So sometimes I can be the one that is bringing the outside news of why something is going to be running late.
Oh and when I say small team ... it is me and my manger ... that type of small. Long run, we are enough. Short term, we are not enough. But agree that bringing someone on right now would only slow us down even more

[fringe sphinx]

My last project in big tech had: a fixed release date, fixed resources, and a fixed feature set. Realistically, the only lever I had as a manager was to tell them that what features might not make it. Luckily my management chain had my back here, but product management was pissed at me.

(I don't even think I had any input on any of those)

The reason I got cover from mgmt was because my predecessor's release was such a mess (quality wise) that they didn't want a repeat. Otherwise, I'm not sure I would've been able to say no.

[noble marsh]

i want to leave my company because i am not leaning anything new

[summer roost]

Long run, we are enough. Short term, we are not enough.
Do you mean that the amount of work assigned to the team is going to go down long term?

[regal axle]

Yes.
Although to counter my own point. Part of why we are where we are right now, is because my manager is suffering from health complications. So in reality, we want more resources if not for any other reason, than better coverage.

[noble marsh]

there are no seniors in my company right now

[fringe sphinx]

Have you considered hiring contractors? 3-6 month contracts? (By you, I mean: mgmt)

[summer roost]

My reaction to the situation that you're describing is that your responsibilities shouldn't go any further than communicating to management the reasons why the targets couldn't be achieved.

[summer roost]

"right now"? So there used to be? Was that before you started working there, or while you were working there?

[craggy drum]

FSWD or bacholor science computing science

Which is better for the future, which has more futural pathways and such.

[regal axle]

We are looking to hire full time employees. But finding people is a difficult process. And doesn’t solve the issues facing me right now.

[summer roost]

the solution to the issues facing you "right now" is adjusting management's expectations

[noble marsh]

when i joined the company there was senior after a while he join amazon since when for almost a year now i don't have one the company did not hire one thats why i want to leave

[summer roost]

sounds reasonable to me. Juniors become seniors by emulating seniors. If you don't have seniors to learn from, you're not likely to ever become one yourself

[regal axle]

Ah right. Sorry for not painting a clear picture.

I have that going on in my regular job. But I also have a different project I am responsible for, from a past life. And I have to fix those issues. But once I have,,, I’m never touching another one of the “past life” work requests. (I’m morally obligated to complete this. Not to mention that I will be heavily compensated. But regardless of that, it has put me in a state of crunch.

It is this double pull that is putting me in a bad situation. One of the other would be manageable. But both at the same time is killing me

[summer roost]

I guess I've got no relevant experience with a situation like that, but my instinct is still that the right way to handle it is to just admit that it's not gonna happen on time, and work with the people you're reporting to to either reduce the scope of the work or push out the deadline.

[restive pike]

Where do I ask for python help? for like my code? (Its on google collab with one excel sheet)

[peak halo]

See #❓｜how-to-get-help

[dull belfry]

how much dsa level or leetcode questions do i need to have before applying for an internship
me currently knows some algorithms and data structures, but not that confident to solve problems using those algos, as i just finished my dsa course in uni

[rain heath]

Do 150 interview questions in leet code it covers most of the important topics

[dull belfry]

ye am planning to start leetcoding soon

[covert bolt]

well, it is not your fault that you needed to do product management after they failed to do so properly and overpromised

[vapid jay]

3 months, maybe 15 interviews or even more where 5 in final stage. I was after economy course at uni and had active status of CS student also 1 year of experience of Python automation/ data analyst

[dense finch]

Let's do that bruh

I do don't think that I'll be able to join you guys in the meeting

[worldly flicker]

Hello i am Fn1ky a youtuber and developer that makes python apps and games

[analog sun]

@wise vine your message was removed for violating rules 9 and 6

!rule 9 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[analog sun]

@fringe ridge Your message was removed for violating rules 9 and 6

[naive shale]

how probable is it to get hired from github?
by contributing to open source and being active?

[near ocean]

Do you mean scouted and recruited because you contribute to open source or do you mean applying to jobs while only having OS contributions and no degree or past experience

[analog glade]

Doesn't seem like a lot of time but 15 interviews must have been very pressurizing

[dull belfry]

Hi

[true harness]

I have heard of it happening, but I would not make this your main avenue of job searching

(assuming you mean the former in mar's message)

[heavy torrent]

Hey everyone! 👋

I'm a Data Science master's student USA graduating in Summer 2025, looking for referrals for Machine Learning, Data Scientist, or Data Analyst roles. My internship at Selective Insurance involved automating data extraction with OCR & NLP (improving accuracy by 20%!) and analyzing 1 million claims using Python to build LDA models with 65%+ accuracy. I'm proficient in Python, R, SQL, Power BI, and machine learning libraries. I'm eager to apply my skills in building predictive models and data dashboards to solve real-world problems.

If you know of any relevant opportunities, please DM me! I'd be happy to share my resume and discuss further. Thanks!

[dull belfry]

Can we advertise here?

[analog sun]

@vapid jay hello your message was removed for violating server rules

[deft herald]

so?

[slow pilot]

so thats means its goated fr

[deft herald]

ok. How is this relevant to the channel?

[slow pilot]

for fun

oh there is general chat

[acoustic cape]

I am never getting longely again

being lonely for a short period is fine but for long periods puts on the brink of many issues like depression, and bad mental states and habits

[peak halo]

I'm glad you've engaged in some self-reflection.
What you're discussing isn't relevant to this channel.

[snow fable]

So

Got into a backend position, pretty junior, actually helping a friend with a project

I honestly feel I'm terrible at it, I'm failing bad

I was kind of part time until december 15th then I'm full time, we took a week on december ofcourse but is now february 24th and I think my progress is just really weak

[true harness]

best person to talk to for that is your manager. are you having 1-1s with them on a regular basis?

[snow fable]

Well my friend is my manager and he's horribly busy all the time, we have a weekly meeting but the problem is that where he is an 8-9 in terms of programming I'm like 1 right now

I struggle picking up some topics and the project we're working in is kind complex, he's kind, great person to work, and obviously is paying me a full time salary, but that also means I have to pickup by myself, but I often get lost

I might need to get diagnosed with ADHD soon too

[true harness]

so what do you talk about in those meetings? that is the perfect time to ask about how you are doing

[snow fable]

We're developing a trading algorithm and we talk about how it went last week, we usually go about how last changes affected it

I made a great advance in the data pipeline where I increased our number of messages comming it and the accuracy, but I'm struggling to retain what I learn, and I'm also struggling to not worry about being prepared for other jobs in some future

We're currently using Python, Pandas, some Polars, and a lot of web/data tools that I also had some issues picking up as Celery, Redis, etc

I also don't know if my progress is going fast enough, I know the concepts but my knowledge is very shallow, I can pass a spoken interview for sure, but a technical-coding one? far from it probably

I've been about 3 months full time and I feel I should be way better at this point

[fringe sphinx]

My friend, this is an exceptionally difficult topic that even the most experienced of people struggle with. There's a mountain of information that you continually need to learn.

[fringe sphinx]

The first key question is: are you contributing and adding value? Even if slow, you're accumulating experience.

The second is: are you spending some time each week learning something new? Allocate some time to -your- well being and growth.

[regal axle]

Well I didn't get much sleep. But ,,, I did make a ton of progress on one of my problems. And I did go work out tonight 👍. So progress all around. Yay. Hopefully I keep this trajectory.

[drowsy tiger]

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I look forward to connecting and discussing how we can enhance your cybersecurity framework together.

[stone nova]

hey is it worth learning programming preferably python if your major is finance just wanted to know cuz i've interest in programming

[digital fjord]

Probably yes, if you are in a field that uses excel a lot, Python can work just as well once you learn it.

[stone nova]

i am actually studying finance rn

[mint oracle]

Hi bro, I need some advice. Our department is organizing an alumni meetup where we will have some CTOs and vice presidents from MNCs. Is it a good to ask them for an internship if available?

[glad elm]

how do I center a div?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, totally appropriate to ask them, altho try to make it natural. Ask them good questions, like what their engineers do, and what do they look for when reviewing resumes, and perhaps who to talk to (or an intro) regarding internships. -they- might not be involved directly, but will know who you can talk to.

[fringe sphinx]

I work with many finance folks. Some of them are 'up-skilling' by learning Python and/or pursuing data science masters. I think it's good to combine business and technical competency: opens the most doors in the short and long term.

[safe gate]

me too, bro! I'm learning Python and my major is finance. What have you learned recently using Python?

[stone nova]

just studying basics loops and functions and all

[safe gate]

interesting, is there a data engineer among them?

[stone nova]

where u from @safe gate

[safe gate]

That's good bro, I'm learning about fundamental first

[stone nova]

data types u mean?

[safe gate]

Brazil, and you?

[stone nova]

those are very hard to learn at first because of the methods and shit

Im from India

[fringe sphinx]

I'm the data engineer.

[safe gate]

yupp, and many more like variable, type data, function, structure control

[safe gate]

I want strong fundamental first before build a project

[safe gate]

oke bro, if u want to discuss about project using github we can collab

[safe gate]

Wow really bro? Can i ask something about data engineer, cuz that's my career goals

[fringe sphinx]

Ofc!

[stone nova]

sure lets both sharpen our fundamentals and maybe we can do a project in the future

[safe gate]

Can personal projects built on GitHub be considered as valuable experience for working as a data engineer? Or do we also need certifications for data engineering? Additionally, if you don't mind me asking, do you have a recommended learning path for becoming a data engineer that is relevant to the industry? I'd love to know

[fringe sphinx]

GitHub is an important tool. Use it often and be comfortable with it.

I'm not sure whether any certifications are helpful. Complementary certs like cloud might be helpful, but that's more for DevOps types jobs imo.

Learning path. Not sure, there's all sorts of types of jobs out there. I'd do a variety of. data science projects, database projects (learn sql), and get comfortable with tools like airflow/dagster, and dbt. I think of my job as 50% understanding the business problem/data and 50% being versatile (being a jack of all trades)

But, being familiar with a variety of tools and data formats is important. Data comes in many formats, from many sources, and the tools you use often vary. I frequently need to interact with multiple databases, files and cloud storage.

[safe gate]

alright bro, once I've finished some of my college assignments, I'll come back and we can discuss how far we've progressed with our lessons and adjust our joint project accordingly

[safe gate]

okayy, do you have any GitHub projects that I can take a look at? Or do you have any GitHub references that I can learn from?

[safe gate]

ohhh i see, What about Python? When should we use Python in data work?

[safe gate]

Okayyy noted 👍

[vapid jay]

hi guy, did anyone here read "Python Crash Course" book?

[snow fable]

many thanks for your kind advice

[stone nova]

im reading rn im at functions chapter

[fringe sphinx]

Python is probably the first thing to focus on, if you haven't learned yet. Just learn the basics and don't small projects, don't worry so much about whether it's relevant or not

[fringe sphinx]

Nothing specific, ask in #python-discussion , I'm sure someone has a suggestion

[spice cradle]

hi, so i’ve been doing a python course but stopped since its (i think) generic.

my current goal is to get a data analyst job thats why i’ve finished an excel course and would go do a powerbi course.

for data analyst, is this a good starting point?

[peak halo]

analyst positions are more degree-requiring than software development positions. do you have one?

[spice cradle]

I’m still in college, computer science.

Can I ask why tho?

[peak halo]

because employers want to be assured that you understand how to analyze data before they trust you to help them make expensive and consequential business decisions.

will you have the option to take courses about data science as part of your CS degree?

[spice cradle]

I’ve searched stuff online, majority of the people said that for a data analyst job, it only required proficiency in Excel and Power BI

for a data scientist, it would require SQL, Python (pandas, numpy, matplot), and some ML

at least thats what I’ve searched

[pine sleet]

afaik most universities leave some slots open for you to take any CS related courses

[spice cradle]

I’m actually taking one right now, we’ve learned python, SQL, and statistics. I wouldn’t say I’m an expert/confident with my skills on it tho

[spice cradle]

with regards to data analysis, its more on statistics right? because i did the IBM Excel course, the only “data analysis” I did there was aggregation (sum, mean, mode, etc.) and pivot tables (filtering/sorting)

I don’t know if thats “data analysis” already

[devout cradle]

Does anyone know have any good recommendations on learning python first time? I am taking a course on Udemy and im not sure if its for me

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[spice cradle]

is that the 100 days python course?

[devout cradle]

yeah, with Angela Yu

its ok, but I just wanted to see if maybe there were better ones out there

[fringe sphinx]

Others: #python-discussion message

[safe gate]

alright man, anyway thanks for the insight

[rugged axle]

I need to make this website more appropriate https://x1vi.github.io/my-website/

I need to look like a big player in what I do

[hazy crystal]

Apologize, but I must

[leaden jasper]

you don't, and if you do it again I'm going to mute you

[hazy crystal]

(Let's leave aside the fact that I don't really write here because I'm weak at coding, xd)

[oak lichen]

Any advice on being a python dev?

[peak halo]

get in a computer science degree program, work on projects that expand your knowledge of the language, apply for internships that relate to your interest.

[weary gazelle]

hello developers

Is a m4 pro macbook pro overkill as a comp sci final yr student aspiring for a software dev -> devops career?

24gb ram 512gb ssd

[pine sleet]

could be, but its probably fine. you can do with cheaper options

[weary gazelle]

or is the 16gb base m4 macbook pro with 1 fan in chassis enough?

[pine sleet]

not really on topic for this channel though

[oak lichen]

Can a bootcamp help instead of the whole 3 years degree? Usually the first year is math

[pine sleet]

they're nowhere near equivalent

[weary gazelle]

oh, which channel do I ask this in?

[pine sleet]

one of the off topic channels (like #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare )

[weary gazelle]

thank you

[pine sleet]

or a dedicated server like https://discord.com/invite/5czbmKD

[oak lichen]

Got it. What if the curriculum is outdated? Any online universities that offers it?

[pine sleet]

curriculum for what?

[oak lichen]

For CS

[pine sleet]

at a university?

[oak lichen]

Yes

[pine sleet]

some things they teach you could be outdated. but you should be learning relavent stuff on your own time as well

online universities are not that great if you don't already have a degree. you miss out on some of the most important parts of a degree

[oak lichen]

For example, many unis are not that great. The student graduates with minimal knowledge that they later get in an internship or at work. That's why I'm asking.

[peak halo]

Good developers are good because they made themselves good. It's possible to pass all the courses and lack design sense or problem solving skills.

[pine sleet]

how skilled you are after graduation is in your hands, not the university

that's not to say the quality of the university doesn't matter though. it's important to have good resources available to you so you can get quality help when you need it

[oak lichen]

I see. Thanks for the advice

[weary gazelle]

I feel like my quality is so bad right now with me heading into my final yr in September so I have to work on my programming and problem solving skills further

[oak lichen]

Thanks!

[weary gazelle]

Any tips on enhancing myself in my situation? @pine sleet

[fringe sphinx]

Most important thing is: slow down and ask a lot of questions. You're not preparing for a job of doing homework problems: you're preparing to build software systems that people will use. Do projects, listen to other coders, read about software engineering practices... not just coding

One way to learn is to pick major open source projects and try to understand their architecture, their methodology, how they manage their distributed development, testing, builds, releases, etc

[weary gazelle]

thank you so much for your response. I will begin to do this because I DO NOT want to turn into a bum

are there any pointers on where to begin when it comes to python? I last programmed in Python in my first year and I havent done it since, I've forgotten it all

to learn python in a digestive way where it's easy to concentrate on the method of teaching and how it's delivered to the audience?

[dark relic]

Hi, im currently learning python aiming to be a backend developer, to all python developers how happy are you with python and how happy are you that you learned python, im a bit confused right now in the coding world and want to hear experiences from other python developers, is it worth it to learn python?

[fresh plaza]

Hi bro

[fresh plaza]

I just fully happy with the automation the python provides

The python power is incredible

[dark relic]

Hi Gustavo

[dark relic]

Happy to hear that

When it comes to job opportunities or even business ideas related to python, would you say that python is a good choice?

When it comes to automation and web scraping the opportunities to monetize python are endless

[fresh plaza]

Well, about jobs opportunities I couldn't tell because I don't work directly with python automation.

But in my days, I use this for accelerate the processes, I work with Power BI

[dark relic]

I understand, i was just wondering how good would the job market treat me as a python developer

[fresh plaza]

I've be worked with web scrapping using selenium in python, the power of this is very nice

[dark relic]

I have done a bit of research and python seems a good choice to start a career on

[fresh plaza]

I would recommend you learn about this

[fresh plaza]

yes, you use other programming language?

[dark relic]

Well i have learned react.js a year ago but back end development seemed more exciting to me

[fresh plaza]

Python for start on the programming world, is the best thing you can do

It's easy to learn and is a powerful language for backend

[dark relic]

Maybe i will combine both of react.js and pythons power and become a full stack

[fresh plaza]

Yes, good ideia, very nice

I like back end, but I never pratice backend development with python

[dark relic]

Well i wanted to learn python for backend but after learning a bit i found automation with selenium and web scraping and i liked it really much

So i think i will try to master python and hopefully find a good job

[fresh plaza]

Yeah, I've sent u a github repo, in this I used selenium to get google maps infos.

[fresh plaza]

Good lucky bro

[dark relic]

Thanks

[dark relic]

Thanks i will take a look, i have had the same idea but could not made it now atleast

[fresh plaza]

So take a look to find anything that help u, I hope you can

[dark relic]

Thanks a lot pleassure taking with you

[fresh plaza]

I say the same bro

[buoyant seal]

😉 u are probably expecting only words of encouragement. I would mention that i from university got love to use C# as the most easiest language to code thousands code lines easily in. That loved transfered to learning Golang, and moving on into Java.
I really appreciate static typed languages languages for ability to code easily dozens thousands code lines in them with easiness, as language features protect me from a lot of mistakes automatically.
I really appreciate how productive also gaming community in Java (Starsector/Minecraft), and i am fascinated how many people managed to make working hundreds of mods together.
How their many mods very often manage to work stably despite being written by regular community devs
as long as code is written with unit tests in mind in such languages, and sometimes refactored for cleaner state... it is easy to reach pretty much perfect architectured and easiest to maintain code.

I got stuck after graduation with python though. Which i sort of was okay in the beginning. But when i reached its limits, i slightly less started appreciating it. Using it just for scripting, and for work because i have to. 🙂
I really missed in python same easiness to code plentifully and easily as in static typed languages. It is hard to refactor code in python, since no auto validations are present. in python everything is discovered only at runtime (More unit testing effort is required to get passable quality). This language is of absolute freedom, freedom that is helping to write scripts fasts, but also abused to write less maintainable code often enough.

[sullen gazelle]

I attended almost all the placement drives conducted at my college, i couldn't pass a single aptitude test and this made me nervous about my future.
I can't understand where I need to focus on programming or the aptitude test.

[chrome cedar]

Wanted to share a funny thing happening at work
Amazon's pushing that 5 day in-office mandate and that' isn't working for me cause I'm in NYC and my team are all in Seattle, management wanted me to either move to Seattle or possibly move teams

Got a job offer elsewhere and wanted to bait my manager into a convo where I can put in my two week notice, so I asked to go fully remote thinking they'd deny me immediately

Except in an incredible turn of events, they told me to send my request in an email and they'll talk to upper management about it
For added context, every single remote work request I've heard of only got temporarily approved for medical reasons

Moral of the story is, at some point you really can become important enough (even as a lower level employee like an L5) that management will make exceptions to keep you

[slate prairie]

Companies always give higher priority to retention. Basically the equivalent of ignoring your gf when she is with you vs going panic mode when she threatens to break up.

[chrome cedar]

I would agree with you if this wasn't Amazon, the company that has been:

• Mandating return-to-office at the C-suite level, starting with 3 days in office and now 5 days in office
• Forcing people to move to where their teams are located, or be moved to another team - and likely firing those who can't do either
• Limiting raises, promotion, bonuses, and stock provisions for everyone

Really screams "we have high headcount and want people to leave so we don't have to do layoffs and pay severance"

[cobalt moat]

How does someone get into computational biology or chemistry ? Surely they don’t require both a biology and CS degree?

[finite crag]

What is something that if you had an expert research assistant you would ask it to research for you?

[pine sleet]

why would they be your assistant if they were an expert

[finite crag]

For whatever reason. but what would you ask them tho

[fading patio]

I think you need good cs baground and some basics of biology

[near ocean]

But did they? Or is it just an empty promise

[rare coral]

There are literally fields of studies which cover both in uni

[sinful elbow]

Hello here

[buoyant seal]

if u want to become proper software engineer/programmer, then u should learn Core Software Engineering subjects...
...how to write actually clean and maintainable code for years, how to make sure your written dozens/hundreds thousands code lines are actually remaining maintainable for years.
How to communicate what actually needs to be implemented well, gathering requirements what is real issue that needs to be adressed
https://www.amazon.com/Grokking-Algorithms-illustrated-programmers-curious/dp/1617292230
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#SystemsAnalysisandDesign
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns

Code Complete is a book with overview of everything in general and gives advices what to read next

usually (in majority of cases) it is good idea for professional career to finish CS degree

[radiant timber]

yeah nvm forget what i said earlier

[fringe sphinx]

Moral of story too is: corporations do things for (what they think is) the "greater good", and ignore the impact on individuals. Many NYC area companies are forcing 5 day RTOs, to the point where it's even more restrictive than some of the policies pre-covid.

Secondly: it's also a method of reducing headcount - it's a layoff in disguise, I suspect.

[naive shale]

plushappylab

[naive shale]

the second no degree or past experience

[near ocean]

Yea youre probably not getting a job like that

[half sinew]

How do I speak in vc

[peak halo]

See #voice-verification. ⚠️ Do not spam to meet the requirement!!!

[half sinew]

so

I need to send 50 messages? and be in here for 3 days? Im leaving this server.

[umbral frigate]

Lives up to the name.

[chrome cedar]

I'll be finding out eventually but we'll see if I'm even here that long

[near ocean]

Did you reject the other offer?

[chrome cedar]

I already accepted it, start date is one month from now

[near ocean]

Excellent decision, carry on

[near ocean]

You should ask for resources in #python-discussion

[cobalt moat]

Ye but I don’t want to get a phd

[analog sun]

@acoustic aurora your message was removed for violating server rules 9 and 6

[solar willow]

hello

uhh im still 17 i actually turned 17 few days earlier matter of fact i actually dont know what to do at some time i was doing web dev then i got into python then for a very long time i did data structures and algos and then stopped and then recently i've been doing automation and stuff i feel like im doing many things at once and i cant even do 1 thing properly i am very stuck i dont know what to do i dont know what i want to do though all i want is a job to be honest. but idk what to do.

if any adult would help it'd... good for me

[pine sleet]

it’s fine to explore different things and not be an expert yet

[solar willow]

hmm

so like- what should i do?.. it feels not good what im doing idk..

[analog sun]

Are you pursuing a college degree?

[solar willow]

yes

im in 11th ill be in 12th next year then get into b.tech i guess 4 year degree course

[analog sun]

Very good, that is usually the path of least resistance towards landing a job in the industry

[solar willow]

i am very... fascinated by some stuff for some days then the excitement gets like over and i just stop doing what i was doing

[analog sun]

I wouldn't worry about things, gaining experience on your own is valuable. Pursue passion projects and as you encounter new fields you can choose to learn more about them - or not

[solar willow]

but im forgetting everything haha.... uhmm

[true harness]

many schools offer comp bio as a major

[next peak]

Do you guys recommend Harvard's Python Course , and is the certificate worth it

I studied 2 years python and I kind of want to start the course

[cobalt moat]

only phd at my school

[vapid jay]

Did u guys know about system design algorithms?? Apparently these r asked for software engineering jobs

I thought in system design they ask about mvc architecture n stuff bit i had no clue about these algo stuff

[analog sun]

@elder lichen your message was removed for violating rule 6

[elder lichen]

Sorry! I thought today that I should figure out how to reach more people with web design/development skills because I don't really know anyone so I found this group. Sorry for not asking for permission before posting that

[naive shale]

how do i make it so that when i change the name of a class on 1 file it changes the name on all other files?

[proud glacier]

your editor may have a "rename symbol" function, maybe in a "refactor" menu
alternatively you can do something on the command-line with sed
this isn't really something for #career-advice though

[naive shale]

ok

[buoyant seal]

may be under algorithm they meant "Software Development Lifecycle" procedure as algorithm.
That whole thing with Planning, Designing, Development, Testing and Deployment i mean

[vapid jay]

Like these. I saw in linkedin post

[buoyant seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fast fossil]

that is such a wide range of algorithms for a rather wide range of applications
is that really the broadness you want for a system design interview?
what even is the aim of this poster?
(it does look cool though)

[buoyant seal]

i am not sure how they manage to be all advertised together. Rsync is one some infra related stuff.
Ray Casting is game development specialized trick.
Raft thingy from databases stuff and leaky buket from apis 🤔
Dunno, somehow it looks like all random stuff thrown together. I am somewhat suspecting it is just a post in linkedin to look smart.
Buzziest shiniest buzzword algorithms thrown together in order to impress Linkedin audience.

Linkedin is not really a good source of useful info. it is like reading from twitter X, or from instagram

[vapid jay]

I don't want it but it seems these r asked in interviews too

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure that's true. I'm quite sure it's not true, in fact

Like, I love most of these algorithms. Hyperloglog is literally my favorite. But, I'd never ask it in an interview

[chrome cedar]

Seen a lot of these types of posts on LinkedIn, some of them do help visualize some data structures / algorithms / tools, but often like the above one it doesn't really do much in that regard

[vapid jay]

Clearly a lot of you know about these but i don't. So its understandable if they ask to see if i have any clue about these

[molten cliff]

Should I worry about universities paying brokers or is it very unlikely?

[proper silo]

Heyyy

[unborn venture]

What should I do after learning python except dsa

[regal axle]

What specifically is your concern?

[fringe sphinx]

Understandable? No, not unless there's some reason to expect you to know this stuff. These are just some interesting algorithms that don't tell me anything about -you- as a SWE, it's just trivia. Broadly: System design interviews don't focus on specific algorithms. And the typical algorithm interviews focus on foundational DSA type questions. Regardless, those are interesting algorithms to learn, but they're not representative of interview questions, ime.

[vapid jay]

I honestly dont know what is even expected of me now

[fringe sphinx]

wdym?

"system design interviews" is a thing that you can read about and prepare for. It's not "knowing specific algorithms".

[buoyant seal]

Depends on desired job role, and depends on if u intend working full time as employee, or as freelancer 😏

I could point at least stuff for backend development / devops engineering.
If u will name desired job roles, other people could point things too

I noticed trend at least that qualities important for a person intending to maintain his work for years
And qualities important for freelancers are having a difference.
So probably what i tell will be helpful more for full time long term workers

[vapid jay]

i intend on getting job for backend dev

[buoyant seal]

Then tower is built out of three things.

1. Getting hang of core software engineering subjects #career-advice message
2. Learning fluff of technologities related to backend https://roadmap.sh/
3. And most importantly... practicing things in pet projects or some other way. Knowledge remains dead without practices. I recommended some stuff on this topic there https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html

Just getting hang of writing properly maintainable unit tested code could mean a lot 😏 (books for that are mentioned in the first point)
(Somehow big majority of people often not knowing this eesential skill for writing code of Minimal quality for commercial development)

[vapid jay]

i am following the python roadmap from that site and once i am comfortable i will start with backend dev

[buoyant seal]

don't skip practice ^_^ without practice that is all will be gone quickly
i have at this point plentiful array of languages, that i just forgot due to lack ever going in depth in them, or not using in general willingly any longer

[molten cliff]

My main concern is that I was given internet access too early and theres some old accounts that I had to delete

If I search my name in every way possible on google it either shows up a dude from France with my same name, or nothing at all, but if there's a chance the uni will go ahead and pay a data broker for whatever info they have on me to take into consideration before accepting or declining the application like some jobs do, I'd rather not take chances and request data deletion asap

[buoyant seal]

paranoid over concerns. There are too many people with same names in the world.
to identify a person passport/birthday/photo is required in addition at least.
Also obviously universities do not have budget for such stuff and don't do such practice as such people are scam pretty much 😏 At most your criminal record in police will be requested.
universities usually as government structures... query information only from government structures.

[tranquil lotus]

Hello, I am currently finishing my last class for my associates degree in general arts and science and am planning to transfer for a bachelors in mathematics and I want to learn computer programming on the side. I plan to minor in computer science as well and have an interest in finance and banking which I also plan to do research and learn on the side. I have never touched programming in my entire life. I am a math wizz who wants to use their skills in the best way possible and I thought computer programming is a good skill to have. Python peaked my interest and now I am trying to figure out what a good source to learn python can be. Ive watched some videos and a good reccomendation is freecodecamp for learning the basics and then using other sources and practice to get more skillful. I was just curious about feedback if anyone thinks this is a good way to start my journey.

[regal axle]

IMO it sounds like you want to request deletion regardless. Most colleges are not put together well enough to actually find that info. Background check is expected. But I know some universities that don’t even do that …
So ,,, if you want to delete that stuff because you are embarrassed; that’s fine. It is unlikely to impact your career. Although I guess I don’t know how identifiable your comments were, nor how bad what you used to post was …

[molten cliff]

Oh no I dont mean like posts that could cancel me or anything like that, I mean like really old private instagram accounts with child me

Also thanks for the insight, Im just recently starting to look at other unis outside the US and was pretty unaware of whatever might hurt any chances

[vapid jay]

I practicevin vodewars. I will start leet. I did few there but i want to get comfortable with the language first n dsa

[buoyant seal]

don't get stuck too much in leetcoding. 😉
leetcoding is having low relevance to real app development.

[near ocean]

It has high relevance in passing tech interviews

[vapid jay]

Plz explain that to interviewers

[buoyant seal]

to be fair i encountered leetcoding only in 10% of my interviews
i suspect only certain type of "Google/Yandex" like companies pursue it
Yandex for example is known for having 10 rounds of leetcoding 😁
And my current company has 0 leetcoding on entrance, there were refactoring/app design challenges instead

[quaint lily]

Does data analytics involve much python?

[peak halo]

Yes, though people get jobs in data analysis because they have formal training in how to properly analyze data. python skills are secondary.

[vapid jay]

Here in my country they give problems to solve

[fringe sphinx]

Leetcode style questions are popular, but just keep in mind it's often just one step of an interview process. Often the first filter, but that's just to get through a gate. System design, decomposition, behavioral, etc are all different styles.

[fringe sphinx]

What country?

[vapid jay]

bangladesh

[vapid jay]

so many steps. here most ppl ik got job through links. networking. i dont think resume droping works anymore

[fringe sphinx]

I usually say you need to balance: experience, education, networking.

Too much of one is imbalance

[regal axle]

This is partially correct. It does work. Just not as well. And it is getting harder and harder over time (to cold resume drop.)

[vapid jay]

Yea. Like most wont even send rejection. Most will try to hire through some internal referral.

[quaint lily]

Interesting, how does it pay relative to software engineering?

[violet spire]

Hi guys

I still don't understand this thing?How can a person self study and learn from internet by self and crack a job?Without even guidance of anyone?How is this possible?How can person learn things without getting guidance of experienced person?

[peak halo]

the job market is pretty tough right now, and it's exceptionally challenging to get a programming job from just self-study even in good times.

[violet spire]

How is job market being tough is effecting self study

[peak halo]

if there are fewer jobs available, the companies can be more selective about who they hire, and probably won't consider any candidates for entry-level positions without degrees.

[violet spire]

I saw one girl..she said she learned full stack and ml from online courses by self and searched topics and studied from different courses?How is this possible without any expert guidance and with internet only?

[peak halo]

how do you know this person?

[violet spire]

Just met her online

[violet spire]

And I am talking about knowledge only..same like a person who is out from degree or even more than them

[peak halo]

you can learn everything degree-holders know from online resources. but employers won't have any reason to believe you when you say that you know it.

[pine sleet]

it’s very difficult but some people manage it. There are many resources online, it’s just about being disciplined enough

the majority of people are not disciplined enough for that, so we have university programs instead

[violet spire]

Yes I am just saying about knowledge..how are they going to know which topic to learn next and which step to take next..what if they are wasting their time and money?How will they know like by searching in internet enough..you won't get correct way.. always

[digital fjord]

A lot of people do run into these roadblocks

some just happen upon the right resources

[pine sleet]

you can just follow the course progression of a university

[digital fjord]

Generally, in these tech-adjecent fields, people avoid egregious mistakes fairly consistently, so it's not all that severe

[violet spire]

So it's best to consult a expert and get guidance from them right?

[digital fjord]

I would strongly recommend it, yes

[violet spire]

Well I am not sure if this or that video or course will be worth my time and money

[pine sleet]

different people will tell you different things. You just need to take the leap and get lucky

[violet spire]

How will I find it then so I can get rid of this problem

[violet spire]

Damn the problem is lucky is lucky and if bad luck comes then my money and time wasted

[digital fjord]

usually, a university

[pine sleet]

pretty much

or you could go to university which relies far less on luck

[violet spire]

Why will university guide me and give me resources to what to study ahead different from university syllabus?And how will I be even sure if that teachers know about this field that much?

I mean I want to study more outside of uni syllabus also that's what I am saying

[pine sleet]

It’s their job to give you content, resources, and professors. Just make sure you go to a decent accredited university

[pine sleet]

You can, and will have to

[violet spire]

I am talking about out uni syllabus?How it's their job to help me out of uni syllabus thing

[pine sleet]

But unlike self studying, you can study whatever you want outside of class and not worry about efficiency

[pine sleet]

Not sure what you mean by this

[digital fjord]

Yes, teachers are generally eager to have students who want to learn and will help them when asked, with resources, conrete advice, research oppoturnities etc. Incompetence is fairly rare at the uni level, but you can end up with people with very dogmatic views. This stereotype of stuffy academics with no relation to the real-world is more bitter students being bitter than an actual prevalent issue.

[vapid jay]

professors don follow the syllabus to word. I remember my teacher telling me about how his teacher in uni gave them a question from a topic in a research paper

[violet spire]

And how will I be even sure that this professor knows about this specialisation well or not

[pine sleet]

nowadays i think profs do need to follow the syllabus very closely

[pine sleet]

research them

their information is usually public

[vapid jay]

u either ask the seniors or look em up on linkedin or somewhere idk

[digital fjord]

They are good enough to teach a university class, that's not a low bar

[vapid jay]

ah i see

[pine sleet]

First and second year profs can be lacking

The upper level ones are usually more competent

[violet spire]

No it's not..uni don't tell which type of professor will teach you early..you only learn it after join uni and asking the professor etc..

[vapid jay]

then its ur luck

[violet spire]

Is there any other way to ask experts about step by step guidance

[digital fjord]

you don't have to talk to profs that are teaching you

[pine sleet]

You usually have a list of professors to pick from for any given class. Just do your research and pick the right one. If you get a bad one just focus on passing the class

[violet spire]

No..it's not here like that..you get what professor uni gives..

[digital fjord]

classes don't really matter, they're pretty trivial and if they aren't it's still like a week you spend preparing for the exam on the high end. What matters is what you do beyond just passing classes.

[violet spire]

Any other way out?

[pine sleet]

well, just make sure you pass them. Study on your own outside class

[fringe sphinx]

Out of what? Going to Uni?

[proud glacier]

how are they going to know which topic to learn next and which step to take next
you choose based on what you want, what you feel like doing.
what if they are wasting their time and money?How will they know like by searching in internet enough..you won't get correct way.. always
you can't avoid making mistakes forever, nor should you want to. going down a couple unproductive paths is natural.

[wispy lichen]

how did you guys figure out what specific branch in tech you wanted to pursue? im a little lost rn, im into a little bit of everything (web, mobile apps, and ml) and im not sure what to actually do ;-;

[chrome cedar]

This isn't the right channel for this question

[chrome cedar]

I went to college for comp sci, took the required courses that taught different aspects like you mentioned, and realized I don't like frontend development. Elective classes are also a good way to figure things out

[steel fossil]

Oh sorry, i thought that was python discussion channel

[chrome cedar]

That would also not be the right channel lol

Make a help thread or something

[steel fossil]

Okay lol

[fringe sphinx]

I figured it out when I got a job.

[fringe sphinx]

Study a bit of everything and be prepared.

[wispy lichen]

same and i picked ml as my specialization, love learning the theory (for some reason not so much the coding), i do love the designing and building that comes w web and mobile apps but w ml/ai booming i wonder if all that web/mobile dev will be shadowed by ai, basically will there be more ml/ai job openings than the other ones?

[balmy mural]

I enjoyed studying a bit of everything and dipping my toes in it all. Didn't have a favourite, but did learn what I didn't actually enjoy. So I just applied for jobs in the areas I did enjoy and went from there

[chrome cedar]

AI will not be taking your job in that regard. Lots of business people look at AI as some cost cutting measure when in reality it's just another tool for devs to use that will never be a complete dev replacement

[wispy lichen]

yeah sounds like getting a lil taste of everything is a good start

[wispy lichen]

ok ok ty all for your input imma try to get my life together in this regard 🥲

[fast fossil]

never say never...

when/if the fateful day comes, it likely won't be a concern with regards to one's wellbeing anyway (that would be my hope in the sense that, when it happens, it'll pretty much immediately solve all the world's problems (in a way that doesn't involve destroying everything), so having a job won't matter)

until then, it's not a direct threat to software engineering jobs in any way (it does raise the bar though)

[chrome cedar]

Well it raises the floor more than anything lol
But that is likely that one day AI will act as a replacement for software engineers, but based on how all LLM companies have run out of source material that wasn't generated by AI, further advancements will be slowed down significantly

[open ivy]

I think AI is more useful for using hard-to-use-tools.

For example, consider AWS services:

• Can be very hard to use with black-box failure modes.
• Lots of people build things with them, more training data.

AI will have more trouble replacing more bespoke projects that do unusual things, simply because the training data is not there. AI needs huge amounts of training data.

[near rapids]

Is it still worth learning machine learning with all this auto-bot-ism going on.

[open ivy]

It's very hard to predict what industry will want. For me, social skills limit me much more than technical skills, so the exact field didn't matter. Remember that getting a job is generally a social task, which is why there aren't any good job-matching websites.

What does that mean for you? Pick the field you are interested in. But that may be hard to tell without knowing a field, so explore a bit to try to find something. So worry less about what indistry wants, which keeps changing.

Keeping a diary of your development, ideas, bugs, challenges for each week etc will help get a job because more to talk about.

[finite crag]

Understanding machine learning actually keeps you ahead, helping you build and improve those auto-bots instead of getting replaced by them. Skills like that stay valuable

[open ivy]

There is also a big market to generate the training data for the AI. I have seen some for biological AIs.

In fact, I think much more time is spent getting the data than designing the algorythims in AI. They need so much data.

[fringe sphinx]

Is it worth learning the hottest technology out there today? Not sure I get the premise. Whats the concern? That humans will become obsolete?

[fast elm]

ML is necessary bro for now

[peak halo]

"is ML going to advance to a point that it's no longer worth it for anyone to learn about ML?"
I can't imagine a circumstance where that can be true.

[topaz iris]

Is it weird that I don’t want a job writing Python code, but now can’t imagine working a job without writing Python code (to help do whatever the actual job is?)

[peak halo]

so you're saying that you don't want a job where the main point of the job is to write code, but you do have a computer-facing job where you write Python code, and you "can't imagine life without it"?

[silent sparrow]

how to turn off discord activity rich persence only like Watch Togethor , Chess in the Park , Farm Merge Valley , etc. one and it should still show all other like spotfiy games etc

[peak halo]

This would be a question for one of the three off-topic channels.

[spark edge]

🔥 What are some effective ways to make money with Python as a side hustle? 🐍💰 Looking for real experiences and suggestions! 🚀

[fast fossil]

Well, I suppose a part-time job could be considered a side hustle and it would be a pretty effective way to make money

[fast fossil]

I suppose what they meant is having a job not as a SWE but still in a position where they could utilize Python to automate tasks. (I once thought I wanted a job like that too, turns out that there's a job that fits that description pretty well, though it violates one of the prerequisites... that'd be the job of a SWE)

[violet spire]

Damn yeah same

[little ether]

Hi Everyone

How can I land an internship, i'm new to python and have previous 5+ years of exp in PHP/Laravel full stack development

[junior flame]

I am working on different sector. I start learning programing. Started with python. I give average 4 hours daily.

Can you give me a road map so I can get a job on programing, at least a part time with in next 8 month.

[versed yacht]

i need help, im learning python (day 4-5) and i can make the basics by myself (python password generator, calculator, number guessing game, quiz, dice roll)
all them are the same easy basic stuff and i want to learn more stuff about python but when i try, it brings a whole new section of stuff i dont understand with imports, (os, pygame) etc
what should i be learning how to do next?

[vital quartz]

Guys I know this is the wrong server but is any computer expert willing to help me with my problem

It isn't related to python 🙏 just a general problem in my pc

[umbral frigate]

Ask in #ot1-perplexing-regexing or #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[vital quartz]

Thanks

[spice wyvern]

Hi everyone! Could anyone please provide some advice on what to learn for a GenAI Developer role?

[viral dragon]

I am looking for a remote job. I am sixteen years old. Any advice?

[blissful marsh]

shit mb didnt see the second sentence

[fringe sphinx]

That's depends very much on what you already know. Could you share info?

[fringe sphinx]

Remote programming jobs are hard to find to begin with. Impossible (afaik) for a 16 year old. I'm told some people do projects on fiverr or platforms like that, but it's a grind and not steady

[fringe sphinx]

Main advice is: get a degree. It's the best path to a career in SWE.

[viral dragon]

I do not believe that is a possibilty for me.

[fringe sphinx]

Why?

[viral dragon]

Because I live somewhere with really dumb rules.

[fringe sphinx]

Tell us more? There's a lot of people here from diff countries.

[viral dragon]

To get a degree I pretty much need the equivalent of final exams, for final exams I need to betray the person I am.
I cannot do that to myself.

[slow hare]

Hi guys, is there any US based dev here?

[balmy spade]

What would you ask if there were? (there are many of us)

[umbral frigate]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[umbral frigate]

It might be a win-win, but it's against this server's rules. Don't advertise/recruit here please.

[slow hare]

Oh, got it. Sorry for that.

[umbral frigate]

Please remove the post.

[balmy spade]

Regardless of the rules; that's a great way for the dev with a job to get their arse fired too. Just keep that one in mind if you keep looking in other locations.

[fringe sphinx]

I don't really understand, but regardless: the alternative path is to start in a non programming job (like tech support or QA) and gain practical experience. But even that's all but impossible to get for a 16 yr old

And in general, remote jobs are becoming harder to find

[near ocean]

You might betray yourself by doing well on your exams? What are you saying

[vapid jay]

I'd rather kill myself than do tech support again

[rustic lantern]

في حد عربي

[peak halo]

discussion of self-harm is disturbing for some users, so please don't refer to it here.

[topaz iris]

Correct.

Mostly because I can write just enough code for my needs. I feel like full software dev has all sorts of extra work, you have to care about style, documentation, unit testing, complex branching and deployment, etc.

My background is devops/sysadmin but all the coding is applied data analysis data engineering used to work on the thing I’m actually delivering AWS cost optimization recommendations. Plus now it’s completely replaced almost all shell scripting and automation in my legacy devops/sa work)

I feel blessed that I was about to put in 2000 hours+ of Python coding in the past two years and it’s not in the JD. IE: applied self-directed learning.

[violet spire]

Then why different courses are there..some courses has full stack developer as software engineer but they never mention data scientist as software engineer..why

[silent jackal]

Hi, I am new here. I wanted to ask if anyone has some cool project ideas that are more complex, can teach me a lot, and might look good on a resume too. I have done a bunch of small projects and some mid-sized ones (my GitHub: https://github.com/filip-h-999), and now I want to step up my game and get more serious. I would like to work on something related to AI, full-stack development, or something in that direction.

[spice wyvern]

Sure, sorry for the late reply. I have 1.5 years of experience as a GenAI Dev, and I've worked with LLM models such as GPT, Claude and Gemini and i have knowledge in basic RAG + Extensive knowledge in prompt engineering. I'd rate myself a fine line between a beginner and an intermediate in Python.

[peak halo]

@glossy swift your message was removed for seeking employment, which is not allowed in this server.

[austere lichen]

Is there somewhere to introduce yourself in a text channel? I'm still just starting out and am looking for like-minded people here.

[peak halo]

"introducing oneself" isn't very useful in a Discord server, since only people who are present in a channel around the time that you post your introduction will see it.

[fringe sphinx]

!kin might be a good place to start

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fringe sphinx]

Alternatively, I like to watch conference videos (Europython or PyCon), and you can see things other ppl are working on

[meager sleet]

Hi. Where do I start ML from? Is ML still worth learning. As for my career I don't know. I might want to be a data scientist but only fixated on AI. I learn pandas but I forget the commands so easily and it feels like all is a waste.

[mortal kite]

Recruiter: "I see you have experience with GitHub Actions, but the role is looking for years of experience on the job with GitHub Actions."
Me: "Well, the company in question, at the time that they told me they needed to save money and eliminated my job, told me that GitHub Actions was explicitly prohibited. So my only experience with GitHub Actions is for my personal projects."
Recruiter: "Is this the same company that I am representing right now?"
Me: "As a matter of fact, yes."

[fringe sphinx]

Learning data and ml skills is useful. Whether or not your job is directly AI or ML. Sql, pandas, numpy, etc are good. These important thing is not remembering the api but being able to solve problems (using the documentation)

[meager sleet]

Yes but if I want a job I should be able to do what AI cannot do. Otherwise AI will replace me

[potent fossil]

AI will replace those who dont use AI

[fringe sphinx]

AI can do the basics. You must learn the basics. It's not really a good gauge of what you should learn.

[fringe sphinx]

It'll also first replace those who do, so :shrug:

[potent fossil]

I dont have much coding experience i come from the administrator sector but let me tell you in a business enviroment things dont work that way. You will work with legacy things which cant be automated easily and also you must respect company ways. Also the use of AI is in many places forbidden/blocked and you use your companys shred down AI because people will put secrets into AI which is a nono

If you think there will be 1 guy controlling the AI and the IT of a company runs smoothly thats far away