career-advice

[open ivy]

Setting up the framework itself can be hard. For example, why is the lambda function not being called in the first place? Some obscure security setting? A connection misconiguration? Debugging the cloud can be hard because of the black-box nature. Tools like CloudTrail help but it is still difficult.

[sterile thorn]

What are the best fields in 2025 for tech CS ? what do you prefer learning ?

[fringe sphinx]

My usual answer: breadth, not depth. The best field is broad knowledge and being a good generalist.

Second best answer: the best field is the one you get a job in.

For more Dad answers, feel free to ping me.

[sterile thorn]

Bro so tell me if u get a job for 40k -80k a year as new for studying 8 years or you will pick 60-120k for studying 9-11 years ?

[buoyant seal]

Dude if you give someone a task, and they use gpt to generate suitable tests, working code that meets those tests, and whatever else, that's pretty good on boosting productivity.
My aim is never just to write code.
My aim to have code well documented, easy to understand, easy to change further, designed to be testable.

Understanding, reading, and finding solution to the problem
Or writing code that is humanly easy and nice to maintain and support.
That's the goal.
Lie generator is a waste of time for such purposes. I have hard time imagining people voluntarily willing to suffer through generated lies.

For that matter u could be having better time just using CRM system like Wordpress or Wagtail, or some other boilerplated solution if your aim is super rapid development for smth that just works.
Or for that matter we have already enough of boilerplating different solutions that try to sky rocket development as fast as possible. Not surprisingly they all come at some cost (Vendor lock ins, Heavy money spending, Heavy dev costs when try to move away from designed borders).

You need to question yourself eventually, which PRICE you pay with using this crude AI for such stuff. There is always price in every software development solution path
My mental health is super important for me, for this reason i am unwilling to use it for development purposes at this point of time, as those AI solutions introduce heavy sanity (and time) costs (Subject to change potentially depending on evolution of those systems)

[fringe sphinx]

Not sure I understand what you're asking. Uni is ~4 years.

[sterile thorn]

Yeah but that’s why I was asking if one can get more paid and more experienced for 1-2 years so I think one should study more it isn’t easy but u have to do something that’s why I was asking which field is the best in 2025

[fringe sphinx]

What are you going to do in that 1-2 years? Get a Masters degree?

[sterile thorn]

Bro just didn’t say it’s obviously 1-2 years it can be more one person can even not go to uní

[fringe sphinx]

I'm having a real hard time understanding what you're asking.

[sterile thorn]

Let’s leave that I wanna ask what are u studying now or graduated ?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm graduated

If you want a job as a software engineer, the normal path is: go to Uni for ~4 years, and practice coding while there, try to get internships/work experience during that time, and get a job. Optionally, you can get a masters degree.

[dense mesa]

Not really possible when you're working on trading systems and a bad drawdown one day costs you your job 😅 code is a means to an end there, not the be all end all

[fringe sphinx]

The more experience you have after Uni, the higher earning potential you have. There's no exact $$ amount, since it depends on you / the job market / luck.

[sterile thorn]

What do u prefer as u have experience more than me doing master or not and also upto o how many languages do u know of programming

[fringe sphinx]

I don't think a masters is worth +2 years before entering work force. Masters are good if: you have a +1 program (ie: 5 years BS+MS), can't land a job, or have a specialized interest (ie: data science) that is degree heavy. Otherwise, I think it's better to get a job and finish the masters part time.

Personally, I think a masters is a good goal for 5-10 years after graduation tho... because it's helpful when you hit mid levels.

[sterile thorn]

And what do you prefer as I join university next year and at that time I knwo upto 3 or 4 programming languages so should I do master or not ?

[fringe sphinx]

My opinion: Focus on getting work experience... internships. And project experience (build stuff). This will make a bigger difference than anything else.

And, decide on a Masters if you can't land a good job.

(I'm in US, so my opinion is biased towards my experience)

[sterile thorn]

Yeah like aint in collage like studying other subjects and wasting my time I am studying in other institutions and getting experience as well as knowing more about computer science

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, to "get good", you need to keep learning on your own.

[sterile thorn]

No matter where you are but even it’s me or you we should have experience to land a high paying job .

[sterile thorn]

On my own I am learning programming languages and even in institute also as I am not as old as you do I think I have a chance to get more experience at the age of mine as 16 most of my Agers are playing around and having fun but I gotta focus now

[fringe sphinx]

My "dad" advice is: Don't worry about "focus" or "grinding" or "hustler's mindset" or any of that nonsense. The most important thing is to build interesting things - and to learn from doing. Find something you're interested in and explore that. Literally any complex programming will make you a better programmer - if you build a cool game that you like, it'll make you better at all types of programming.

The corrolary is: follow your interests. Learn what is interesting... it'll take you in surprising directions. Even if it's something esoteric like shipbuilding, you'll find something interesting to take away.

[sterile thorn]

Yeah that what I do to get experience create your own programs even it get wrong or errors at first but try again and again as like this you even learn by your mistakes and get experience not just copying others code

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, you'll go far!

[jade birch]

I'm looking for advice on what I should do. I've been an incident response intern for a large organization in local government for 2 years. I don't want to work with the government or as a contractor for the government. I'm going to graduate in a year. I want a pathway where I can work for companies from different countries, and I'm not interested in AI or making surveillance tools. If you have any info or links let me know.

[slender sandal]

Hey! Are you interested in Python-based careers? Or just any career? If Python (as that’s the scope of this discord), I would suggest you check out YouTube tutorials for Python and Scrimba. Start learning and get into a rhythm of learning something new everyday. Start building projects and then you can check out jobs!

[mild pasture]

currently in first year uni doing a CS and Ai degree and was thinking of getting a PCAP certificate, is it worth it or what can i add to my CV for searching of software programming jobs?

[real cypress]

is it true that "AI will take over programming jobs?"

[near ocean]

its not really worth, nobody would care

[mild pasture]

what can i do instead?

[near ocean]

Keep your grades up and look for internships, you probably wont get one as a first year but if you manage one it'll put you way ahead of everyone else

[mild pasture]

alright thank you then

[near ocean]

You could also join a programming related or adjacent club, work on projects, etc, but grades are top priority

[gloomy needle]

ABCD = input("what kind of conversion would you like: Farenheit to Celcius, KM to MI, USD to Euros, or KG to LBS (note it goes other way around to) (A)(B)(C)(D): ")

if ABCD.upper() == "A":
F_OR_C = input("F or C: ")
if F_OR_C.upper() == "F":
TEMP = input("what temp: ")
yes = float(TEMP) - 32
conversion = yes / 1.8
print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

if F_OR_C.upper() == "C":
    TEMP = input("what temp: ")
    yes = float(TEMP) * 1.8
    conversion = yes + 32
    print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

if ABCD.upper() == "B":
KM_OR_MI = input("KM or MI: ")
if KM_OR_MI.upper() == "KM":
DIST = input("what is the distance: ")
conversion = float(DIST) * 0.62137
print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

if KM_OR_MI.upper() == "MI":
    DIST = input("what is the distance: ")
    conversion = float(DIST) / 0.62137
    print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

if ABCD.upper() == "C":
U_E = input("USD or Euros: ")
if U_E.upper() == "USD":
amount = input("what is the amount: ")
conversion = float(amount) / 1.20
print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

U_E = input("USD or Euros: ")
if U_E.upper() == "EUROS":
    amount = input("what is the amount: ")
    conversion = float(amount) * 1.20
    print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

if ABCD.upper() == "D":
KG_OR_LBS = input("KG or LBS: ")
if KG_OR_LBS.upper() == "KG":
weight = input("what is the weight: ")
conversion = float(weight) * 2.2
print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

if KG_OR_LBS.upper() == "LBS":
    weight = input("what is the weight: ")
    conversion = float(weight) / 2.2
    print("your anwser is: " + str(conversion))

my first solo program

its a conversion program

can someone rate it?

[fringe sphinx]

Congrats! (this is the wrong channel tho... this is careers!)

[fringe sphinx]

Open a help thread: #❓｜how-to-get-help and tag it "Code Review"

[gloomy needle]

ok

[verbal wolf]

Does anyone here know where I could apply for an IT internship? My country is Philippines, thanks in advance ♥️

[dense mesa]

Can these types of posts be temporarily banned in this channel

[real cypress]

i keep getting asked these questions and they are soooo annoying, im starting to believe that it would happen now

[dense mesa]

If it's so annoying then why repost it

[real cypress]

I really want to know y'alls opinion on this topic as a programmer, it's a really discussed topic among people who don't really know much about cs.

besides, I also really want to pursue a CS major in the future, so any information would be really helpful

[summer roost]

Did tractors take over farming jobs?

[dense mesa]

Searching for "ai take over jobs" on this server comes up with nearly 50 messages alone. Are those responses insufficient?

[real cypress]

i apologize if this topic on ai is a bit too sensitive for you, it has just been a question that everyone seems to be talking about. this server is pretty new to me, so ill look more into this topic alone.

[dense mesa]

Lmao

[patent umbra]

Hi

[real cypress]

hi

[karmic token]

yes
https://eh.net/encyclopedia/economic-history-of-tractors-in-the-united-states/

By increasing the productivity of agricultural labor, mechanization freed up millions of farm operators, unpaid family workers, and farm hands.

less people are required to harvest more land, so there are fewer people working on farms

[summer roost]

Exactly. It depends what you mean by "take over". There's still farmers, but farming is different than it was prior to industrialization.

[karmic token]

yeah there's a lot less farmers though, those people went on to do other things

the comparison kinda breaks down because it went from "everyone is a farmer" to "a couple of people farm while everyone else does other things"

(not just because of the tractor, a bunch of stuff was invented in that period)

[summer roost]

That's not the comparison breaking down, that is the point. Technological changes affect who is working and how they work

[karmic token]

Oh okay then we agree, I misunderstood your rhetorical

[rugged axle]

What should I learn specifically in machine learning and AI any niche popular in startups ?

[summer roost]

My opinion is that AI will allow some people to create some programs without hiring a professional, but it won't get rid of the profession, and there will still be jobs that require a skilled operator. Current technology isn't really useful to make more than small programs that are quite similar to other things that have already been made. My guess is that, at least for the next decade, what we'll see is AI chipping away at the code monkey types of jobs, while leaving the software engineer types of jobs largely untouched except for greater productivity thanks to smarter tools

[fringe sphinx]

Wasn't that last month?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-ceo-reveals-major-job-124600165.html

I assume most of FAANG will continue to shrink, one reason I think the "faang" obsession is miguided.

[stuck mason]

yoo guys

How can i start

[fringe sphinx]

Start in #python-discussion. Ask for resources and how to start learning programming.

[main wave]

👋 Hello, everyone!
I’m looking for a talented female developer with solid freelancing experience and expertise in Java full-stack development.
Tech Stack: React, Angular, Java, Node.js, AWS, and more.
Requirements:
Fluent in English (both spoken and written).
Comfortable working in U.S. time zones.
Location: Worldwide (preferred candidates from India or Pakistan).
If this sounds like a fit for you, please feel free to DM me. Excited to connect! 🙌

[fleet iris]

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[fringe sphinx]

!ban 1105342867314061363 You seem to be here only to post advertisements. Advertisements and recruiting are not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @main wave permanently.

[dense mesa]

1 day ago

It was announced previously but is happening now

[fringe sphinx]

Ah, yah. I'm waiting for more at Meta. I can't imagine how they can sustain their current headcount.

Netflix had a good quarter, and already went through a big round, so I'd imagine they'd be stable

[umbral dew]

anyone up for learning py together? I started a few days ago and having someone to learn with would be nice

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is the general python-related chat. This is careers.

[hallow fjord]

@umbral dew yes , I just started 3 days ago

[late tapir]

Is fullstack worth getting into with python knowledge?

[vapid jay]

is it normal to bang ur head against a wall while debugging indentions ..

[deft herald]

Just indentations? No not really

[analog sun]

Hello @foggy briar your message has been removed for being off topic and for being an advertisement

[regal axle]

This question means very little. Do and learn the things that are of interest to you. Over time, you will naturally learn more and be capable of more. Languages and topics become an implementation detail and are less important as you gain more experience.

All to say; go for it!

[static bone]

Do ppl (and im talking about juniors here) send their resume with a cover letter? If so, do we have a template for the cover letter somewhere here, like we have for the resume?

[late tapir]

Alright, thank you! I appreciate your answer!

[regal axle]

Depends on what the company in question expects. Some ask for it, some don’t. I also base it off how I am applying. Like if it’s an email, I might give a 1 short paragraph intro.
And there is not a template. Each cover letter should really be written to the company. Not much a general template can help with there

[static bone]

just found this somehwere over the internet some time ago thats why i asked if there is a 'standard' template that we should use. But i guess it makes more sense to write a short paragraph intro, depending ofc on how the job application is being done

[peak halo]

this is for a cover letter?

[static bone]

yes, im not sending cover letters tho, thats why im asking if there is a template ppl use in the industry

[peak halo]

I've never seen this.

are you looking for a resume template?

[static bone]

no no

anyways instead of a cover letter i might put a short about me section in my resume at the top

[peak halo]

this is the resume/CV template I use https://github.com/posquit0/Awesome-CV

looks like that's where you got that cover letter template

[static bone]

yea, but i think i found them on reddit somewhere, but yes they are the same

[young bobcat]

Hm well I am at moderate level

[trim shuttle]

hi guys i want to ask you a question is there any jobs now in machine learning ?and what about the job market in sde

[deft herald]

Sure there is. Did you do any kind of search yet?

[deft herald]

Woah, no skills? can my 10 year old apply?

[wild bridge]

Am I wasting my time self learning python , trying to change careers legit question

[deft herald]

Change from what to what? What is your formal education background?

[fleet reef]

!rule ad hire pay

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[analog sun]

Hello @calm ruin your message has been removed for violating the server rules

[wild bridge]

I work at a dealership was gonna get into data analyst but idk if there's other uses for python beside that, very new to it. I'm starting to learn loops and while ifs

[safe hull]

any way i can like make custom discord bots for ppl

[vivid turtle]

[vapid jay]

feels like python is so saturated and ill have to study this + something else for over a year to ever make $15 an hour xd

[wild bridge]

Yea I think I'm go back to the coal mines less stress for a bit more money lol

[near ocean]

there are faster ways to make $15 an hour

[wild bridge]

Do tell

[deft herald]

Retail. Manual labor. child care. tutoring. Food service.

[wild bridge]

Would picking a second language be beneficial

[deft herald]

To do what you want to do, it seems like you'd best benefit from learning actual data science concepts and not focusing on the language per se

The language is just a tool; a means to accomplish the ends of data analysis

[wild bridge]

I think I'm gonna have to research a bit more, at the start I wanna to get into data analysis. But I heard python was so versatile I wanna to see what else was out there

[deft herald]

It absolutely is and is used for way more that just that. Do you have any degree or other education?

Generally we say here that the "easiest" path forward for getting a career in some kind of programming is to obtain a degree

[fringe sphinx]

One thing: apply to entry data or operations jobs early and often. Anything that gets you a little closer to your goal. Keep learning, and use that to show your motivation and ability to learn. There's no 'perfect' state of readiness.

[safe hull]

any way i can like make custom discord bots for ppl pls

[near ocean]

no, you asked before, this isnt relevant to the channel

[safe hull]

Kk

[fringe sphinx]

Thanks for asking, but we don't allow recruiting on this server.

[edgy sierra]

Fs

[edgy sierra]

Thanks no job board?

[fringe sphinx]

No, it's just too hard to moderate (among other problems)

[edgy sierra]

Yeah and it can get hectic kk thanks for the heads up

[cloud tide]

Hi there, may I share my project to request a review and feedback?

[peak halo]

#1035199133436354600

[half minnow]

Is anyone here freelancing with use of python or should i switch language??

[peak halo]

people don't hire freelancers because they know a specific language.
if you're not currently a freelancer, and you think freelancing has a lower barrier-to-entry than working for a company, I would encourage you to reconsider.

[half minnow]

thanks for the response, i definitely worded my question wrong but what i take from your reply is that freelancing is just like applying for a job in a company its not simpler. What do u recommend i do with the knowledge of python?

[peak halo]

what degree do you currently have, if any?

[half minnow]

I actually am currently studying a law degree and have been picking up python on the side, and am really just looking for more information and careers in this sector.

[peak halo]

if you're currently a law student and you're learning python on the side, there is nothing you can do to make money with python that you have time to do, or that would be worth the time put in.

programming isn't a side-gig; if you want it to become a source of income to you, you'll have to make it your main academic priority.

[half minnow]

Again, thanks for the information, would this be similar to all other programming languages? As in it needs to be a full time pursuit rather than a thing on the side.

[peak halo]

if you're currently a law student, and you're just starting to learn any programming, you cannot turn it into a side-gig.

regardless of language.

[half minnow]

Sorry, just one final question, is there any benefits to me learning this language on the side for general purposes?

[peak halo]

if you have a computer-facing job that isn't about programming, python is the most useful programming language to know. it can be a superpower for automating tasks on your computer.

like moving files around, or putting things into a spreadsheet.

[half minnow]

That sounds great, as my degree is actually law and accounting so later into my degree and further jobs it should be of some use to me?

[peak halo]

I don't know what the accounting software ecosystem looks like.

if you want to get another big degree after you finish the JD, I think there's a lot to explore with interactive LLMs (like ChatGPT) and their potential to make the law more accessible. having a masters in CS along with a JD could be very rewarding for you.

my department (the language technology department of a research company) had an expert in computational law, but he sadly passed away recently

[half minnow]

That sounds really interesting, I'll research more into this and I can see a lot of benefits arising from that.

[half minnow]

Awful to hear! Just shows that my law degree can always be used anywhere!

[fringe sphinx]

I knew a few SWEs turned patent lawyers

[wise cypress]

Any tips to get an internship

[digital beacon]

machine leaning /web dev or machine learning//gam dev

[buoyant seal]

in which choice u will be willing to input many years of time effort 🙂

[light tusk]

hello im new to coding what is a good career path as of now

[vapid jay]

hi. depends on what you call a "good" path

[light tusk]

sth that makes good money

[vapid jay]

well software development itself makes good money and data analysing too. Do you have any specific likes?

[light tusk]

my friend is telling me to be a software engineer

[light tusk]

i like making stuff and game cheats

[iron hedge]

🎫:zzz_Sad_vibes::Check:

[vapid jay]

yes, that makes good money too. but don't just think of money. Focus on likes too. If you can, please try some other types like data analysis or game making

[vapid jay]

I can say you have a creative type. Then maybe a software developer or a front-end developer.

[light tusk]

do u know sources that i could use to study from

[vapid jay]

In my country, i mostly use books or online courses. Udemy is the best choice in my opinion. If you can, please buy some books from your local library.

[light tusk]

that sounds very interesting

[light tusk]

alright i appreciate your help have a nice day/night

[vapid jay]

They mostly are not repetitive so you won't get bored. Also, they pay well. Don't forget, just focus on choosing right now. Don't just start focusing on one thing. Explore for yourself

You can always ask me again when you need help. I'm mostly free.

[clever moss]

Hey guys, I want to get into Test Automation. Long time ago I was learning Java but due to personal issues I had to start a job and did not have time to study.

Now I am learning Python and thinking to learn Robot Framework after. Is this a good plan? I also gotta say that I am almost 40 year old so I feel like I am out of time lol

I am pretty sure similar questions have already been asked billion times now >_< sorry I tried to search in chat but I feel like I need specific answer 🙏

[dense mesa]

What is robot framework

[clever moss]

its an automation framework that was used in my previous company

although please do help me out if I am incorrect :)

[dense mesa]

Is it widely used in industries that you could reasonably work in?

If you want to be a test writer for python, it makes sense to learn python

[clever moss]

yes that is what I am doing and trying to achieve right now :) once I am confident enough, I was thinking about the Robot Framework and wanted to ask the community if it makes sense or not D:

[crimson summit]

Hey guys what career can a teenager get when he or she has learned python

[peak halo]

You can't make any money just from "learning python". If you want to become a professional programmer in the future, you should focus on doing well in school so that you can get into a computer science degree program.

[crimson summit]

oh

but what if you're super good at python?

[peak halo]

Same answer

[crimson summit]

oh

[restive grail]

is anyone good at patterns? specifically in an assessment format.

[peak halo]

This is the career discussion channel.
Remember to never ask if someone knows about something. Always ask the actual question you want that person to answer (but in the correct channel).

[restive grail]

what's the correct channel then?

[peak halo]

I actually can't tell what your question is about, so try #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[vapid jay]

does anyone have any advice on finding ANY remote job at all, even the most entry of level?

[peak halo]

What are your current qualifications?

[vapid jay]

not much

[peak halo]

I don't think you'll be able to find one, unfortunately

[vapid jay]

well I can't even find one in person either, so... I don't have any on paper qualifications

I freelance designed for a couple years, got 20+ million impressions, but no one cares about achievements if you don't have paper qualifications.

[peak halo]

Even when the market is hot (it currently isn't), a degree is required for almost all entry level positions.

[vapid jay]

if a degree and experience is required, then it is not an entry level position of a low level.

[peak halo]

If your definition for "entry level position" is "has no requirements", then there are no entry level programmer positions.

[vapid jay]

doesn't need to be programming.

i guess that message didn't send when i typed it, thought i added that detail.

I understand programming jobs will require a solid resume and port if you do not have a degree, so im not expecting anything of the sort.

[peak halo]

programming jobs are the only ones in-scope for this channel.

[vapid jay]

figured it'd be anything tech related, good to know its useless outside of python 👍

seems like a counter productive channel where its very encouraged to learn python, but it's discouraged in finding a job unless you have a degree.

Need to pick one and figure out what the channel should be... most people with a degree and knowledge in multiple languages don't need this #career-advice channel.

[true harness]

it's not that it is discouraged to find a job without a degree, it's that it is encouraged to get a degree if you want a job

[vapid jay]

unfortunately not everyone has the option of higher education, I place being debt free much higher than potential educaiton.

[true harness]

sure, that's up to you. but everything has tradeoffs

[vapid jay]

it's not up to me, i simply cannot afford it lmao.

[true harness]

that is unfortunate. but it's not impossible to find swe work without a degree

[civic forge]

How much computer science background do i need for data science? I have NONE

[peak halo]

data science jobs are very degree-requiring, even moreso than general software development positions.

[civic forge]

as in college degree? Im a senior in college atm

[vapid jay]

best way to learn javascript? i learnt html and css using freecodecamp, but i find it to be too time consuming, and also idont like that it tells me what to do for each step

[radiant vortex]

https://javascript.info

https://web.dev/learn/javascript

However, this channel is for career discussions - in future, please ask in one of the off-topic channels instead

[peak halo]

what degree are you getting?

[vapid jay]

sorry

[civic forge]

its a bit vague tbh; CIS data analytics degree

It teaches applications, but not the theory like computer science would?

[vapid jay]

starting to think @peak halo is just a salesman for big education

[peak halo]

the way that you've been reacting to people over the last few days who you don't agree with isn't appropriate. this is a warning--you need to read the #code-of-conduct

[vapid jay]

Europe universities cost barely anything/free for citizens

Plus this channel guides on the python path for example AI engineer, software engineer etc...

[radiant vortex]

its the path of least resistance

[peak halo]

for what it's worth, I think university educations are way overpriced and that the courses themselves are often mediocre. but there's more to getting a degree than the courses themselves, and whether the degree has educational value or not, a lot of employers treat them as a hard requirement.

[vapid jay]

it's like a saying I've heard many times: "without a paper you're nothing" not my quote tho I'm just sharing what I've heard

[peak halo]

it's pretty reductive to say that a degree is "a piece of paper".

[vapid jay]

it technically is which just shows you have been attending and passing

Though I do believe there are many ways to get a successful career without university

[peak halo]

"a degree is technically just a piece of papaer" and "a degree is a certificate that shows you attended and passed courses" are mutually exclusive.

[vapid jay]

bro idk it's just a quote which is said a lot in my country

[vapid jay]

This entire channel is redundant and just goes back to "go to college", its ridiculous.

[vapid jay]

I will not apologize for my behaviour and I personally see nothing wrong with it. I will apologize that you feel offended by my choice of words, even though they are not aggressive by any means.

[lapis wind]

Because most people should do that if they want to get into the industry

[vapid jay]

And sure, its a great path for those who have it available to them, but it seems like its the ONLY path people think is available.

[radiant vortex]

Nobody said it's the only path. It's just the easiest.

[vapid jay]

tell that to stel, whos only response is "get a degree"

[lapis wind]

Well, you have effectively two paths (of which Stelercus has not said I don't agree with) getting a degree, or having an incredible set of skills you can prove and a network of people you know who can help you get in the door

[vapid jay]

id argue there are just as many developers with degrees and jobless, as there are with a degree and have work.

[true harness]

what evidence do you have for this claim?

[vapid jay]

the many of graduates in computer science and other tech related fields, applying for 8 months without any progress.

[true harness]

while it is possible to get a job in tech without a degree, the range of jobs available is much smaller. for agnyc, that wants to go into data science, a degree will be much more important

[true harness]

so how many are there? where did you find this evidence?

[lapis wind]

I am going to be completely honest, most grads coming out of computer science and other related fields have little to no knowledge about what they're doing, and imo it is getting worse.
HOWEVER, if your argument is "well people with degrees dont get jobs so no point in getting a degree" has some bias because most hires and juniors looking to break into the industry have degrees

[vapid jay]

Stel statement is "Even for entry level jobs, you will need a degree"

[radiant vortex]

"Even for almost all entry level jobs"

[vapid jay]

no one recommended online courses? CS50?

[lapis wind]

Having a degree proves some element of basic knowledge though, or at least, to HR it does 😅 And a lot of places will filter out juniors without degrees

[vapid jay]

If most grads coming out of college don't know what they're doing , even with a degree, then what the hell is the point of one?

[lapis wind]

Because the industry uses it as a minimum base line and often filters out juniors who dont have one just to prune the pool

[vapid jay]

so whats to stop people from lying about having a degree on a resume, just so it doesn't get filtered out, as long as the resume and port is good?

[lapis wind]

Online courses like these are great for learning the basics, but they are not something you can really put on a CV as a proof you did something, at least most things are not going to look at "completed cs50" as useful

[vapid jay]

Most people I know have got a job nearly immediately after degree. Companies want to hire juniors that are experts or the employer can trust that you have knowledge in the field because of the degree.

[radiant vortex]

What happens when they ask to see the proof of degree?

[vapid jay]

i've never heard of anyone asking for proof of a degree

[true harness]

just because some people don't take advantage of a degree, doesn't mean it's worthless. college is what you make of it

[vapid jay]

Well a few to build up your CV and very basic knowledge and from there maybe just climb the ranks in a company.

[digital fjord]

It 100% will be checked as part of a background check

[true harness]

it is very typical to have a background check before starting work. that's exactly what they look for

[vapid jay]

and if i could afford the 40k in debt for a degree, great!

[lapis wind]

People do lie, but it is very obvious if you then go past the intial scan and have an interview or background check

[vapid jay]

Plus if you say you're from a very good university they may ask the university to verify.

[lapis wind]

The hardest bit is getting your foot in the door to begin with

[vapid jay]

well yes but with tons of courses and tons of applications 1 offer could appear.

[true harness]

yeah, it's unfortunate if you can't. there are other options, but as emphasized they are harder

[vapid jay]

are you in US?

[vapid jay]

coming from a design point of view and not a development, i've seen so many people graduate with a graphic design degree, and have the worse designs i've ever seen, so im not sure.

[vapid jay]

yes, im from the US, in a rural town in texas lmfao.

[lapis wind]

I'm not saying it is impossible -> I did it, I am just saying it is very hard and honestly, most people dont have enough skills to do it

[vapid jay]

maybe it's your opinion that the designs are bad. Maybe I find the designs outstanding.

[vapid jay]

True it is very hard and takes a lot of dedication.

[vapid jay]

it wasnt from an opinion standpoint, it was from a fundamental one, art is subjective, but im not sure design fundamentals are.

[true harness]

i don't know anything about graphic design. but i can tell you that even though there are tons of people that don't know what they're doing with a degree in cs, the average skill level is much higher than those without a degree

[vapid jay]

What are design fundamentals for you?

[vapid jay]

color, contrast, hierarchy, focal, composition, etc;

[digital fjord]

Yea, colleges will sometimes produce incompetent people, it is what it is.

[vapid jay]

which are all objective unless given a task to say which colours are primary/secondary.

[true harness]

we don't need to debate graphic design in the programming careers channel 🥴

[vapid jay]

whos debating? it's not a debate, those are FUNDAMENTAL design needs.
anyone debating fundamentals, is not a debate, is just uneducated.

thats your opinion

[radiant vortex]

Regardless, as interesting as it is, let's move it to an ot channel

[vapid jay]

what are some fundamentals in programming?

[vapid violet]

Problem solving

[vapid jay]

Debugging code

would you say those fundamentals in programming are not FUNDAMENTALS, but rather opinions?

[lapis wind]

No, there is realistically a set of things to know which apply across any work you do, I.e. Conditions, flow control, basic data structures, etc...

[vapid jay]

well how can you program without those skills

how can you program well without them* just as how can you design something competent and pleasing without the fundamentals of art?

[peak halo]

It's fine if the conversation is moving in a different direction, but if we're not talking about careers anymore, please move to one of the off-topic channels.

[vapid jay]

1. Art is subjective. I can draw a black canvas and someone may find it great. 2. How can you program without knowing those basic skills.

[peak halo]

Please move this to an off-topic channel.

[vapid jay]

Okay!

Stel, do people like you around here?

or are you going to give a weird answer like "its not my job to be liked, its to enforce rules 🤓"

I personally like Stel as he has helped me in this channel before with advice.

[lapis wind]

😅 Pro tip: the behaviour and way you talk would definitely cause some problems in a work environment

[vapid jay]

Pro tip: i don't speak like this in a work environment because it's meant to be professional.

[radiant vortex]

Okay, that's enough, please stop with this attitude

[vapid jay]

Pro question: Why are you arguing when we are trying to help? It's getting annoying

which attitude exactly is that?

yall have helped me none in this #career-advice , the only answer i have been given is "go get a degree"

[vapid jay]

and no one said go try take online courses? Cause I think I did

[true harness]

the nondegree route is fairly straightforward: networking, projects, luck

[vapid jay]

you said go take cs50, and others shot you down saying theres no point.

[lapis wind]

Okay, so, you are not getting a degree, that's fine. So what skills do you have that you can actively demonstrate? Do you have a portfolio? Do you network? Tech events? etc...

[vapid jay]

when did I say there's no point

[vapid jay]

never.

[vapid jay]

so you're telling me I said there's no point when I never said that

[radiant vortex]

!mute 110525494591488000 The way you've been behaving over the last few days is incompatible with the culture that we're trying to facilitate here. Stop being hostile to people who you disagree with.

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied timeout to @vapid jay until <t:1737824137:f> (1 hour).

[true harness]

iirc, the discussion was about the certificate you get for completing cs50. that doesn't have a purpose, but the knowledge you get may be useful

[lapis wind]

No; they said it would not help get a job. And by that I mean there is a minimum amount of knowledge you need, cs50 teachs you the basics, but you need more than that to be employable, and CS50 isn't something recognised by employeers on a CV

[peak halo]

sorry that this message got displaced. I haven't heard of CIS data analytics degrees, but it sounds like you don't necessarily need another degree to find related work.

there is no standard for what a "data scientist" does, so it might be there are positions you'll be qualified for that are called "data scientist", but they probably won't be ones that involve AI/ML.

[calm rock]

Hello. I am new to python. What do I need to start learning AI?

[civic forge]

can I DM to explain the issue? and show you the degree, and why I wanted to get a second one

I dont have enough of a coding or IT background to know if what I learned is enough

[peak halo]

is your goal to find work in AI/ML, or data analysis more generally?

[civic forge]

AI/ML

[peak halo]

then you should get a masters degree that's focused on AI/ML, probably under computer science.

[civic forge]

my "Data analytics" degree isnt what you might think it is

[peak halo]

are you just interested to learn about it, or do you ultimately want a career in that field?

[civic forge]

also graduate school is kind of an issue.....

[calm rock]

I want, one day, to push it forward. AI Humanoid Robot.

Puting AI on microcontrollers...

[civic forge]

i sent a dm, but if you rather stay here, thats fine. i just dont wanna spam the chat + the chat timer

[peak halo]

if you want to push the limit, you would probably need to get a PhD.
I'm not sure about robotics, but if you want to put AI on microcontrollers, that would require some pretty big advancements in electronic engineering.

[calm rock]

Of course I will start easy, but just for couriosity I wanna know the deepest roadmap.

[peak halo]

it's better if you say things in this channel, so that other people can give their opinion.

[calm rock]

I am a person that don't like to be limited, thats why I learn how to do every part myself.

So how to find the databes, create models, train models, tune, ect...

What you guys think about this: https://www.w3schools.com/ai/default.asp

[peak halo]

w3schools is probably the worst programming resource on the internet. and there are so many free resources that are good that there's no reason to settle for less.

[calm rock]

Thats what I thought...

Why the worst tho?

[peak halo]

they have great search engine optimization and seem to have no incentive to correct the copious amounts of misinformation on their website.

[calm rock]

ok so what you suggest?

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[calm rock]

Are you an expert of AI?

[peak halo]

I work in the field, but I wouldn't call myself an expert, no

[calm rock]

You have a clear roadmap in your mind at least?

[sick tusk]

rust programming language

[fringe sphinx]

What specifically do you want to learn?

[calm rock]

Making a local AI from scratch.

Very easy one. prbly for Rrasberry pi but later on aiming for a job at the highest position.

[fringe sphinx]

First, have you learned Python? Have you done any small projects/etc?

[calm rock]

I remember calculator, but not anything big. And some Micro:bits micropythons

[fringe sphinx]

So, assuming you're at the beginner stage of coding, doing small projects is the way to go. Any kind of project will make you a better programmer: even a game. But, there are some 'build a NN from scratch' projects that might be accessible for you

[calm rock]

Can you tell me a list of project must-do before moving to the next step and actually whats the next step?

[fringe sphinx]

!kin has a big list of projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[calm rock]

5-8 isnt enough?

Like either way I want to learn some automations, but for ubuntu...

[fringe sphinx]

That's like asking: how many roads must a man walk down?

[calm rock]

I am a person that kinda learns on going... What do you think?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, I think that's the best way: learn by doing.

[calm rock]

But still think that I need a 3 days stopby..

[fringe sphinx]

It's hard to give a precise answer: if you keep building stuff, you'll get good. It might take you 6 months or 6 years, I don't know.

[calm rock]

You an AI expert?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm a data engineer

[calm rock]

oh

Ok thanks for the guide.

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to build an AI, you first need to be able to build things. That means being strong at the basics of programming.

[jaunty cove]

Try to send some message to active voice

[peak halo]

if you spam to get to 50 messages, you'll be banned from verifying. this is your only warning.

[thick latch]

Hi

[deft herald]

Hi

[raw talon]

any python devs intrested in solana memecoins?

[fleet reef]

no

[primal marsh]

Anyone having trouble getting a job recently I haven't been able to get anything on indeed

[peak halo]

the market is tough right now, but you can get suggestions here if you show your anonymized resume and describe what your job-hunting strategy has been (like what kind of jobs you're applying to and how many so far)

[jaunty cove]

I won't

[somber summit]

Hello

[rocky lark]

Greetings, everyone.
I started programming in 2018 with a programming contest. I was in class 8 and managed to top my district, qualifying for the next level contest at the national level. This experience became my motivation to pursue programming. I began exploring various topics gradually, but not regularly, as I had no internet access or connections at that time. I downloaded some Python tutorials from a friend’s Wi-Fi and learned from them.

In 2020, I gained internet access and started learning more systematically. I explored many Python topics and solved numerous problems on platforms like Codeforces, HackerRank, CodinGame, LeetCode, etc. However, due to my family’s financial situation, I had to choose a profession, so I began learning web development.

I didn’t have anyone to guide me, nor did I have connections. I learned everything by myself. Now, I create web applications using Django for the backend and Tailwind CSS with JavaScript for the frontend. I’ve worked on some client projects, but those came through personal references.

Now, as I aim to become a professional, I feel uncertain about my knowledge gaps and what steps I should take to secure a job or remote projects.
Here is my portfolio to know more about me: https://mahamudh472.github.io/
And this is my GitHub: https://github.com/mahamudh472

I would greatly appreciate any advice you can offer. Every piece of guidance is so valuable to me.

[loud phoenix]

Hello what do you think guys about Python Crash Course book ?

[fringe sphinx]

I haven't read it, but other people recommend it, including: #python-discussion message https://www.infoworld.com/article/2337756/plunge-into-python-with-python-crash-course-3rd-edition.html

[loud phoenix]

Thank you Billy

[winged hearth]

Im a bit of a beginner (only 2 years into python-ish) and im 12 so I am young, but im worried that by the time I grow up AI will take over the programming jobs, and I feel like if I want to continue takeing this seriously, I would like to hear opinions on programming jobs in 6 years-ish. This is probably a stupid question, but it worries me.

[plush summit]

I have it at home the book is pretty decent and help you by actually coding and not only theory so i think it is pretty decent

[fringe sphinx]

I don't believe "AI will take over programming jobs". It will help us, just like the wheel helps us travel or the calculator helps us do math. Programming large complex systems is hard and takes a lot of thinking: "AI assistants" will hopefully make certain things easier, such as finding bugs or building very repeatable systems. AI is not going to eliminate humans.

[fringe sphinx]

Also, every job is concerned about AI taking over the jobs. I can't think of a high skilled job where there isn't concern over AI. The reality is, I think, AI will make us more efficient and create new opportunities.

[void snow]

Does anyone have any advice to go about seeking entry level python coding jobs? Like is there a job that would be a good starting point for someone with little knowledge and or no credentials or is that usually an impossibility?

[static pebble]

apprenticeships

[clever aurora]

Left of field but if you really just need to buy time for study, you can train AI models by evaluating their ability to write code on platforms like data annotation. You'll hate it, it sucks, but it gives you some income.

[static pebble]

does anyyone what route down the route of tech i might wanna take e.g computer engingeer i much prefer software over hardware and im in y9 about to pick my options

[clever aurora]

No one knows but you. Make the best choice you can.

[static pebble]

not rlly helping list some options

[fringe sphinx]

Not sure what y9 means, you're about 15yrs old?

So 4 years from Uni or so?

[static pebble]

14

[static pebble]

2 years till graduate highschool uk

[clever aurora]

In truth the only mistake you can make at your age is not picking one.

Just go for whichever takes your fancy more, no need to overcook the decision

[fringe sphinx]

At this age: you won't know what you want to do. There's no perfect answer: if interested in both, learn both. It won't lock your life in one path (at least, not in the US where I live)

I also was interested in both hardware and software. I went to Uni for EE, didn't like it and switched to CS

[static pebble]

where i live is very close to a upcoming tech city

[rugged field]

anyone here quant developer ?

[peak halo]

always ask your actual question. what would you ask a quant developer if they were here? they can't help you until they know your actual question.

[rugged field]

i want to be quant developer and want to know what to learn and where to learn

[final ravine]

I'm not really sure what you mean by a quant developer? Do you mean a software engineer at a hedge fund?

[peak halo]

one way to answer that question is to search for job listings for the kinds of jobs you want and look at the requirements.

[rugged field]

yes

[rugged field]

i did , i googled everything but you know getting information from person who is actually whom i want to be its different…

i am trader and need to talk to person who is quant developer

[final ravine]

I really don't think that's the correct term

[rugged field]

its correct 😉

[final ravine]

quant is short for quantitative analyst

[rugged field]

yes quantitative developer

there are three types of quants , developer , researcher , trader

[final ravine]

I rejected a job offer as a software engineer at a hedge fund

All I had to do was get through quite a grueling interview process of algorithm trivia questions and bizarre puzzles

[final ravine]

They wanted a red brick university, and they wanted good A levels. Which was a bit silly I thought considering most companies don't care about those once you have experience

[dense mesa]

It's not

[dense mesa]

I'm a quant dev

[rugged field]

can i talk to u in dm?

[dense mesa]

Ask your question here please

[fringe sphinx]

Like Pokémon, there's many types and subtypes of quants. It's like asking what a backend engineer is: it depends on the firm. I've seen some firms throw 'quant' onto jobs that I would consider pure analyst type jobs, maybe to recruit better, shrug.

[fringe sphinx]

I assume you'd agree with above? Right?

[dense mesa]

Yeah it's different across the board tbh

[dark roost]

hi, im new in python, someone can tell me if software engineer of python is a too much difficult work?

[rugged field]

do you like pikachu

[fringe sphinx]

I named one of my dogs Eevee

[rugged field]

good

[dark roost]

Someone kwon what is the best tutorial of python?and where i can find it?

[fringe sphinx]

There's no single best, but check out this link and ask us questions about what you see:

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[buoyant seal]

Software engineering can be equally frustrating in any language.
Depending on software development workflow standards / team / member skills, things can be easier or harder by multiple Orders of magnitudes.

Imagine working with code base in size of 100'000 (or 1000'000) code lines in javascript for example, without single written auto test, and code being an ultimate garbage that you can't check for correctness fully unless doing manual checks, and u are not even having environment besides Production for a final checks that everything works correctly, and having zero monitoring systems, and never people solving technical debt regarding code architecture?
To make things worse, many thousands code lines could be manipulating Browser DOM with Javascript vanilla and Jquery in the worst possible interconnecting fashion to change global env.
And to make things even worse further, application for its checking/running will be launching super long times, many many minutes, hours to even check that it works.
In this case it will be ultimate hardness challenge for example problematic in any language.

And on another hand in a team with a strict Pull Request reviewing standards, unit testing the code, static typing, people handling technical debt regarding coding architecture in time, people investing in monitoring systems to debug issues by magnitude easier (Logging, error catching, tracing, profiling stuff), people having Staging/Uat/whatever environments besides Production to test things. People splitting super large code bases to smaller ones to handle complexity / making comfy libraries handling complexity of certain stuff and autodocumentations generated, and even writing documentation itself. And auto tests running rapidly locally in matter of seconds, for super quick feedback. Then things will be magnitude times easier. (Up to 100 times and further easier)

===
In the first provided example, making sense will be possible only by original author of the software, in its first month (year at most) before he forgot other parts of his apps. After that no one will be able make sense of it, unless bleeding a very large quantity of tears of frustration in the size of a lake at least.
In the second example, and strong junior could be easily introduced to solving further problems of the project, handling fix of features gradually, with only minimal introducal to code base and becoming productive in a matter of days. Or even just periodically visiting code base depending on needs without problems. Things will be easy to auto test that all is according to expectations even if not seen it for few months anyway.

[deft herald]

twitch this hurts so bad to read

But, speaking from experience, this kind of thing happens a lot when you get mechanical engineers in charge of writing code

[buoyant seal]

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Code base can be made very screwed up.

• Some data satanists could be writing code in python without even knowing how to use Functions or protecting code from invocation on import 🙈 Probably most ugly Python i ever saw is achieved in this way
  • And each such file is put into invocation through Shell or Cron job hehehehehe
  • Although to be fair thousands of JQuery/Vanilla JS manipulating DOM in a single file is still harder to make sense than such data scientist code 🤔
• And there is also special case how to screw up backend/web development => Write it in many microservices, with different microservices not knowing how to communicate with another one, besides blindly filling dictionaries/query parameters for requests betweeen each other and hopefully expecting that input and output formats did not change too much for the code to break again.
  • And do this nightmare while being a single developer in addition, haha.
  • And in Kubernetes! ^_^
  • And have implemented in this code base Event based system, where different code randomly fires events to some Queue, and any random code, god knows where reacts to those events (and very hard to find which one)
    • Write it all without any unit testing too to cover this stuff
    • to untangle how just code is executed alone will be a challenge to solve pretty much. As finding sequence there will be quite problematic
    • ZeroMQ will work pefectly for this purpose https://github.com/zeromq/pyzmq

[summer bison]

So that second part regarding pyzmq would've been really useful about a week ago... I kinda came up with my own solution for one of my projects, albeit I'm proud of it (after like 3 rewrites but it's good now lol)

[night mountain]

Hi

[vapid jay]

Hey, I'm currently a finance major with a little background in Python, HTML, and CSS. I want to know what kinds of things should I dedicate the majority of my time to learning?

[pine sleet]

whatever you find interesting

[peak halo]

Suppose that you get a job in finance. I would figure out what kinds of tedious things that people with that job do. You could potentially learn to automate them in python.

A few days ago I needed to make 36 PowerPoint slides with four data visualizations each. I figured out how to make the whole deck automatically.

[vapid jay]

So in your opinion, do you think it would benefit me to continue learning Python? I am having trouble finding things I'm interested in, that also happen to be career related.

[peak halo]

I always think people should learn about things that interest them just for the sake of learning.

I don't know enough about finance jobs to know how much it would benefit you for work. You also have to account for how much the time you spend learning python takes away from time learning finance.

[vapid jay]

Is there some plan that you followed? I mean I have general interests: music, sports, art, but what was your approach to discovering things you had a passion for?

[pine sleet]

the most common answer to this is to try different things

it’s hard to find passions without trying it

[vapid jay]

Fair point, I've been waiting around for it to come to me. Maybe I better search for it. Thanks guys 👍

[lone crown]

wondering the freecodecmp certificate is useful or not? 👀

[rugged field]

which path , course to take ?

[rugged field]

can u guide me what to learn in a structural way?

[dense mesa]

What have you tried so far?

[rugged field]

python but it was 1,5 years ago… i know trading , i am trader i would say profitable one but i have some problems with discipline

i wanted to build arbitrage crypto bot thats why i started learning trading. but when i started trading i was not caring about bot anymore ,
because of amount of money which i am getting…

i have tried many things but trading is the only one which i cemented , i dont have any problem with money you know . i just want to combine my programming attitude to trading and also want to work for fund firms

its a lot to say and ask thats why i wanted DM

[dense mesa]

Other people may find the advice helpful here as well.

A lot of people want to get into quant now it seems: there's tiktoks or something saying how much money you can earn, and people don't care much beyond that.

What educational background do you have?

What educational background do you think you need for the job? What about skills that you need for work as a QD?

[rugged field]

yes thats true, but in my case its different, cause i am not interest
ed in salary.. i am pretty sure i am making more per month then salary of quant developer.

About education i dont have bachelor degree , i was in university and of course it was shit as hell . and i think it wont be any problem that i dont have any degree. i think some good projects in CV is more necessary then university .

and what i have read in google about quant developer . i would say its the hardest but i want to try , plus i am trader and its near

[dense mesa]

If you're making more than a quant dev (which is usually a well paid job in developed countries) why do you want to work in the field?

Not having a degree will be a massive barrier if you're applying in the US or EU.

Projects won't make up for a degree, and you're competing against some of the best people, who have degrees and projects

QD is probably the more straightforward role out of trading/research/tech, but that doesn't mean it's easy

Most applicant tracking systems will filter you out for not having a degree. I can't think of anyone I know in this industry who was self taught

[rugged field]

ok then what i need to build trading bot

is it necessary to be QD ?

just guide me if i wont start job thats not a problem

[dense mesa]

We can discuss trading "bots" in another channel. It's not what QD is about

Happy to guide people who've spent time understanding the role, industry, educational/skill requirements, and so on.

[rugged field]

on which channel?

[dense mesa]

There is no structure, set curriculum, or defined pathway for this.

It's a tough field with a lot of self teaching, independent research and generally difficult problems

Ping me from an off topic channel

[compact jungle]

Hii is anyone from risk management background?

[dense mesa]

Don't ask to ask, just ask the question

[compact jungle]

Oh I see. So I am stuck with computation part for Options historical simulation VaR . I don't know how to proceed further after computing call option price using black scholes model.

[buoyant seal]

Next time i recommend picking Celery all the time u can. Very pleasant library that keeps code connecting by IDE search (between Delay of call, and its Task function to execute)
Library is made with unit testing in mind. And solves programmatically all Cron job issues with Celery Beat too

Except when i work in other languages i discovered that Celery is overkill sort of too most of the time, and things can be solved much simplier by just using almost multithreading (goroutines i mean) 😏

[valid fern]

Hi

[dense mesa]

Ping me from another channel and I'll try to help

[toxic citrus]

Imo that's https://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/python/english3e/

[dark roost]

Thank you so much

[dark roost]

thxsm it's so good

[ruby flame]

hello do you guys have recommended company for internship?

[grim elm]

IS anyone interested in Building the ai agents for enterprise IF you are then lets connect me from india need full stack developer lets connect guys

[deft herald]

Any one that will hire you

[grim elm]

I need guys who are interested in building ai agents for enterprise level

Need full stack developer and we are creating team

Let's connect

[dense mesa]

<@&831776746206265384>

[deft herald]

Not gonna happen here

[grim elm]

why

[deft herald]

Sounds like you didn't read the rules of the server before you made your post

!rule recruiting

[inner wren]

Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

[white relic]

As the channel description and rules state, there's no place here for recruitment.

[vapid jay]

Have you done capm and markowitz?

[compact jungle]

I know Markowitz . but for Options how to do that?

[vapid jay]

do markowits for options? You can do markowits for options if there are different assets classes and different weights to be added. If you are just doing them for options, have you made a single index model?

[compact jungle]

nope.

[vapid jay]

install yfinance

[fringe sphinx]

cboe is a good source too, if you want the chain.

Anyway, we should take this to OT, good convo just not careers

[deft plaza]

should you stop applying after you land an internship for the summer?

I mean after you get accepted

[deft herald]

What would be the point of applying then?

[deft plaza]

So should someone in that position wait until summer to start applying again for the next summer?

[deft herald]

Well did you accept the offer already for this coming summer?

There more than likely won't be any openings for next summer yet

[deft plaza]

I did already but haven’t signed yet

[deft plaza]

Good so now I can just focus on learning

[deft herald]

So that'd be a "no" 🙂

But yeah, if you have accepted the offer or at least intend to, the there's no reason to keep applying now

[open ivy]

I have heard that getting remote jobs is very hard. Is that really true? If so, does it mean that a company can find very good remote talent at a modest price?

[fringe sphinx]

Interestingly, I think it means the opposite. Companies believe it is hard to find and manage remote employees, that it leads to a loss in producitivity, and that RTO is the way to get back to full speed.

[open ivy]

I find it hard to write Python while driving, but much easier as a passenger. So I wonder if carpooling is getting more popular? That way I can make use of the time spent as well as save money.

[fringe sphinx]

"while driving"? I would hope that's not a common thing.

[open ivy]

Nowadays I wouldn't put it past anyone.

[open ivy]

I think driving solo is starting to get less mandatory for most commuters:

• Increasing climate awareness.
• Health awareness (sitting is unhealthy, walking to a train stop is healthy).
• Cost of having a car (middle class squeeze, job insecurity with AI, people feel more precarious than they used to).
• Stress of driving (other drivers are more and more distracted).
• Electric bikes and scooters (ebikes allow exercise while biking and can keep up with traffic better).

So a return to office job is maybe not as much a burden as it used to be?

But I am not sure that "remote is so hard to get". That is what people say but it is not clear that that is the reality.

[deft herald]

wtf. Think of driving as your "shower debugging" time.

[deft herald]

None of these bullet points have any effect on the fact that i'm still required to go back to the office now

[white relic]

it's my podcast time

[deft herald]

Yeah that's also fair. It's valuable time to wind down from work mode into home mode

[white relic]

💯 so much that

[open ivy]

I can't wind down or shower debug while driving. Because I need to focus on the road. It's very stressful for me. Why make the job twice as stressful?

But I can do that on BART or as a carpool passenger. Or walking out the station etc (except during street crossings).

[deft herald]

So why you talking about coding while driving lol?

[open ivy]

I never said coding while diving was the plan. I said that commuting with less driving and less money spent was the plan.

[open ivy]

I don't drive. Do I go for office jobs anyway?

• Is it really much harder to get remote jobs, or are office jobs also harder to get? Or maybe it isn't that hard to get a job.
• Is it feasible to avoid driving?

The balance of these points determines whether I go for remote or RTO.

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're mistaking this for something you have a choice in. You apply to all jobs that you could take. And take the best opportunity.

If you can't drive, you don't apply to jobs that require driving. Otherwise, you apply.

[open ivy]

If it is in San Jose and far from BART, can I rely on buses and carpools? Knowing how reliable these are would help me determine it.

Otherwise your idea makes sense.

[fringe sphinx]

I've only driven in those areas, but: San Jose is definitely spotty when it comes to public transportation accessibility... many of those areas, sunnyview and mountain view too, don't see very commute friendly without a car.

Id' definitely ask neighbors tho.

Gets a little better closer to SFO

[deft herald]

I think USA in general just has crappy options for public transportation

[fringe sphinx]

BARTs great if you're in SF or Oakland, just not so great south

[deft herald]

If i tried to take a bus to work, it'd be like 3 transfers and maybe 3 hours to get there too. Or i can sit in the car for 20-30 min

[deft herald]

Yeah i remember bart last time i visited the area and that was how i got around

[deft herald]

was nice to have it at the airport too

yikes

Anyways. My wife really wants me to get a fully remote job so i've been poking around a bit on the job boards. I really hate the idea of changing jobs though

[open ivy]

I wonder how good carpooling is?

San Jose is perfect for starting carpool groups:

• High population density.
• Limited public transit.
• Traffic jams that are annoying.

I don't need it to be perfect, if the carpool pickup and drop offs are 1 or 2km away from the office that's fine.

I am getting 1 hour from BART to many San Jose locations by bus during peak commute vs 20-30 minutes drive.

Honestly this doesn't seem that bad, given that cars are slowed down by traffic more than +already slow) buses so it may be more like 85 min vs 60 min during rush hour

[deft herald]

I have a few coworkers who live in my town but it'd be way more hassle than it's worth. And i really have to be able to commute on my own time due to family, etc (my wife is a midwife and works on call a lot). Honestly i think a lot of people close enough to carpool would also be extremely limited by their own schedules as well

[fringe sphinx]

In some areas, companies will have shuttles to nearest bart.

[deft herald]

But yeah. All that to say i think my only options are to drive to work or find a job that's fully remote

[open ivy]

Not during a traffic jam! It's a traffic jam because so many people are going the same direction from often similar origins and destinations.

[fringe sphinx]

You're in the bay area. It's a traffic jam. Period.

(not as bad as LA, but, still)

[open ivy]

Yes, that's why I think carpooling should work well.

Carpooling would work a lot less well in rural areas or even smaller urban areas.

[fringe sphinx]

It's a fair/reasonable question to ask HR during a screen

[white relic]

I don't think it really works that way.
past a critical mass, carpooling just gets more inconvenient when the commute is a massive traffic jam.

[fringe sphinx]

bay area has some good carpool/hov lanes

[white relic]

if everybody did it, and could make it not a traffic jam, that would be nice, but the game theory doesn't really work out

HOV lanes, ah, forgot about those

here in FL we just have "pay extra" lanes

[open ivy]

I would much rather be a passenger with in a traffic jam than a driver. Driving in bad traffic is hell

I just bring an extra battery for my laptop if it's really bad.

Even people who like driving hate traffic jams.

[white relic]

eh
maybe I'm just an exceptionally chill person, but if I'm going to be stuck in a 1 hour traffic jam either way, I might as well be doing it in my own vehicle

traffic doesn't stress me unless I'm stressed for other reasons

[open ivy]

I do think it's personality.

[deft herald]

This is a good point. Who wants to add the stress of awkard social silence on top of a commute?

[fringe sphinx]

I do'nt mind it occasionally, but I've planned my career around commute distances.

(I've worked a full circle around my town, about 30 minutes in every direction)

[fast fossil]

if there's anywhere you'd want to be stuck in during rush hour, that'd be a train, then again, trains don't get stuck like that

[white relic]

I like trains

[open ivy]

So it seems that driving isn't mandatory in San Jose.

We all have different preferences. I find every minute behind the wheel stressful. I am also more frugal and don't get motion sick easily. I believe 12 miles per day average walking isn't too much for a sessile job.

[fast fossil]

it's almost necessary, lest you want to shorten your lifespan

[deft herald]

RTO just sucks man. I'm so salty about it

[white relic]

if it takes 2+ hours to drive 6 miles, yes, I believe I'd walk too

well, probably I'd get a bike

[fringe sphinx]

The crazy thing to me is how less productive I / my team is in the office.

[deft herald]

Let me go drive to my office in Boulder Colorado only to spend the entire morning trying to coordinate conversations with my team members in San Diego

[white relic]

hah

[deft herald]

because C O L L A B O R A T I O N

[fringe sphinx]

One of my friends "big bank" has to go to his local office 40 hours a week, yet: nobody he works with is in the same state.

And very few in the same timezone.

[deft herald]

If they really wanted us to have a collaborative environment with face-to-face interaction, they would show us by paying for travel again

[fringe sphinx]

Reminds me of a very high ranked person coming to another country to brag to us about the video conference system he got installed everywhere.

[open ivy]

Honestly if there is no reason, it maybe worth pushing back for one day a week.

[fringe sphinx]

I like "remote but within driving distance" type hiring. I don't need people in the office, but I want them to be available / not be a hassle.

[deft herald]

HA oh man that's classic. I just keep thinking of Arrested Development and the surrogate guy whats-his-name hired walking around with a camera on his hat

[open ivy]

Yes that sounds good. One Uber ticket every once in a while at worst, a chance to see some new terrain at best.

[deft herald]

Our policy is actually 4/5 days a week, 75% of the time. In other words 3/5 days a week before you get in trouble/yelled at/fired

[open ivy]

Honestly I would rather be fired if the commute is really bad. But make sure I work and be productive at home of course.

If they really needed me, they will reconsider. If not, I probably need to move anyway.

But I would set clear and fair boundaries. Like if it was a driving only place, I would accept carpools etc.

[white relic]

my company hires for mostly in the office, but to be fair, half our team works in the on-site lab at least part time
and our engineers learn a lot from each other because the skills involved tend to be rather specialized
even so, we're pretty flexible about working from home. (I'm doing it now)

[open ivy]

If in person is valuable than I won't push back as much. But @deft herald does not seem to be in that situation. Thankfully their commute isn't bad.

[white relic]

I don't care for the home office, personally. I get more done when I can leave home at home and work at work.

[deft herald]

But I would set clear and fair boundaries.
Yeah. This approach worked for me for 3ish years honestly. Now the CEO wants no more of it

[white relic]

that's rough.

[deft herald]

My personal ideal situation was 2 days in the office

Was a good balance of seeing people in person and being able to be home as well

[open ivy]

If it is a minor nuisance and not much of a burden then no need to fight. Choose your battles as they say. You don't find driving a burden the way I do.

[fringe sphinx]

This is where I'm conflicted... in office / collab is so powerful

Incidentally, I have a consulting project coming up where I need to deep dive into some companies stack. And... they're 100% remote. I'm dreading it.

[deft herald]

Right. For me it's not the driving itself. It's the requirement of being away from home

but yeah i'm making it work. My bosses have literally told me they don't care when i leave the office or how much time i spend there. Just that i badge-in 4 days a week

So that's what i'm doing. Come in in the morning and go home at lunch because screw it

[open ivy]

As long as you have set enough boundaries that you don't feel work is highly draining you are OK.

We all need ot set boundaries, and if we don't our bilogy will do it for us. In the form of burnout, anger issues, not caring, etc. So setting controlled boundaries will allow us to avoid this and better under-promise.

So it seems you are doing OK. Spending half-days away from home does not sound that bad.

[deft herald]

Yeah agreed. When i got this job, i had learned from previous years that the earlier you do that the better

they always need adjusting though. Apparently things change a lot over time

[stuck urchin]

I flunked out of my ma in economics and I'm looking to go back for a ma in stats.

I'm looking for a data analyst role rn. If anyone here can give me their name as a referral I would appreciate it (I don't really mean this, any job hunting advice is appreciated though)

[clear mist]

have you done interview for work where you failed?

[peak halo]

I'm concerned that you won't be able to get a data analyst role if your most relevant experience is an incomplete economics degree that you flunked out of.

[stuck urchin]

Well, I do hope my teaching assistant job pulls some sort of weight

[peak halo]

oh, you said MA--you finished a bachelors, in what?

[stuck urchin]

Economics

I'd be able to do an MA in stats if I just take 3 specific courses, very easy transition. Plus I'm reading grad textbooks in preparation

[clear mist]

anyone!?

[stuck urchin]

My only work experience is warehousing and I don't want to go back to blue collar

[peak halo]

I thought this was a question that you were asking Melon. can you explain more about why you're asking this question?

[plush plover]

I've failed many lol

[clear mist]

i feel trash after having failed my first technical interview

[plush plover]

Yeah, you will for a bit, and then it goes away

[peak halo]

don't start panicking too quickly. most people don't get an offer from their first interview.

[plush plover]

I've been working in a non-technical role for 4 years now, done more than 5 interviews throughout that period for different roles, and didn't get them.
I just got lucky last week where I got an offer to progress

[clear mist]

so i'm never going to get job?

[plush plover]

How did you get that out of his message? He is just saying to be persistant with job hunting.
It might not happen for months, or it might happen next week.
It all depends on what you bring to the table

[peak halo]

what makes you say that? I said that most people don't get an offer from their first interview.

[plush plover]

I also had recruiters message me on Linked In, ask for my CV, offer me interview, and then tell me I don't fit.
Which ofcourse will piss me off, but thats life

[clear mist]

How could i feel myself "good" after thinking i'm going to work and then getting ejected

[plush plover]

How old are you if you dont mind me asking?

[clear mist]

23

[plush plover]

Take the interviews with a pinch of salt - just because you are interviewing, doesn't mean you'll get it, and sometimes it's for good.
Keep learning, keep getting better at interviewing and it will happen

The more your CV can offer, the more interested people will be in you

[clear mist]

thank you for your kind words, i really appreciate that. I hope in future I can found something

[plush plover]

You will, we've all been there. What position was it?

[clear mist]

it was a backend position, remote work

[plush plover]

How good do you consider yourself?
Do you have a github where you upload projects you work on?

This can be a massive green flag for companies, when they can actually see what you have done.

[rancid apex]

?

[safe coral]

So just to let you guys know that I talked to a recruiter (who is a friend of my bf). She said my resume is impressive and that the reason I don’t get callbacks is not because of my resume but because of the market

She said there are usually way too many resumes to go through and it’s tough on recruiters

Most resumes go unnoticed she said. Especially within the last 3 years

She hires specifically for tech positions and she said the situation in tech jobs is grim at the moment with very limited entry level jobs but tremendous amount of applications

She said my resume doesn’t need to be fixed at all. At least I know that it’s not me 😂

So it seems entry level jobs are limited @fringe sphinx

She said they get around 6K resumes for entry level positions

I was like that’s crazy….

[pine sleet]

that's why its important to be well connected

the market is tough but there are thousands of entry levels getting jobs so its very doable

its unfortunately fairly common for people to blame the market rather than looking inwards and trying to improve themselves

don't know if the "it's XYZ fault not mine" is very helpful

[fleet reef]

If it’s XYZ’s fault then it is

[safe coral]

But she literally said there was nothing wrong with my resume @pine sleet

I don’t know what you mean about looking inwards and improve myself @pine sleet

She literally said there was nothing to improve on my resume.

[safe coral]

There are a lot of entry level jobs in IT apart from that it’s hard to find a job in speciality areas like mine. She said my degrees would be useless in IT and waste of money

She hires for big companies too. Google, Deloitte, PwC

[minor sage]

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of doing "cold call" type stuff

It's like tinder for hiring.

[safe coral]

Yeah the problem is there are so many entry level applicants

[minor sage]

Establishing some kind of connection makes it much easier to beat the HR filters

[safe coral]

Yup thankfully I met this girl

She is putting my resume on top now instead of other 6K waiting to be seen. She said connections are much more important

She is in charge of hiring

Well hiring recommendations.

[minor sage]

👏 nice

[safe coral]

She was like it’s too rough to find a job unless you have connections when there are so many applicants

She liked my GitHub projects too

Especially the NLP one. That’s her area of interest lol

[pine sleet]

sure but it doesn't help

[safe coral]

When there are 6K applicants for entry level positions

Your chances are very slim especially with just bachelors degree…. She said that most entry level positions she hired have grad school degrees now

[pine sleet]

be better than them. how many of them are directly connected to someone higher up in the company? how many are bots? how many are people just mass applying without customizing their resume? how many are putting in the bare minimum because they too believe the market is bad and it's not their fault? its not difficult when there are still huge amounts of people getting jobs

[safe coral]

I mean my resume looks good in my opinion

[pine sleet]

sure one person or maybe a few said your resume is perfect, keep getting opinions until you find someone who says it's not, improve it and see if you get more callbacks (track applications and callback rates)

[fringe sphinx]

As far as I've seen, CS grads are landing jobs. It's slower, but they're landing jobs.

[pine sleet]

you hiring yourself?

[safe coral]

I asked my school and everywhere

When you have one job there’s not much you can do to customize your resume. I’m not sure what you are talking about here

[minor sage]

I wonder if I could get away with using a monospace font for my resume

[safe coral]

This is an entry level position not senior or junior level. You can do so much with customization

[pine sleet]

keep asking till you find someone who says it's not good. it's great that many people are saying your resume is perfect and you should be proud of yourself for that, but unfortunately it doesn't help you get better which is the most important thing

[minor sage]

It's already formatted like a man page

[pine sleet]

also get better connected, its one of the best ways to beat the crowd

[safe coral]

We are talking entry level here. You keep saying you need to customize your resume

[fringe sphinx]

Huh, better than comics sans.

[minor sage]

I'm trying to appeal to a very specific sort of reader lol

[pine sleet]

customizing your resume applies to all levels

[fringe sphinx]

Tbh, that would be eye catching. Might get a kick out of that.

[safe coral]

You can’t customize your resume for entry level positions because you have 0 experience. I’m lucky I have a job that lets me use my skills

How do you customize your resume with one job history @pine sleet can you explain that for me?

[fringe sphinx]

I still remember this one resume that came through corrupted... was the guys name repeated in 48 pt font for 100 pages. Hr printed it

He did get hired, incidentally.

[pine sleet]

highlight specific parts of that job that's more relavent to a particular job posting. do the same with your projects or your involvements

[vapid violet]

what types of things would you customize? I dont have any work experience and still only have a few projects so its not possible to me to pick better ones for the job at this time. I am currently looking for internships

[safe coral]

But my job is data analytics which is pretty much the same for positions I apply

[pine sleet]

though i do agree there's only so much you can do with a limited set of options to customize from

[fringe sphinx]

For internships, just list best available

[safe coral]

Data analytics don’t change that much from position to position…

[fringe sphinx]

I've never seen two analysts positions that are remotely the same

(I mean, perhaps finance folks)

[safe coral]

I mean I can so much go with customization because I only do couple things in this job. I don’t have different sets of responsibilities

[pine sleet]

pro tip: if you're well connected you can get by with a subpar resume :P

[safe coral]

I have 3 or 4 responsibilities and that’s it

[fringe sphinx]

And perhaps I'm exaggerating, but: analyst positions range from spreadsheet jockeys to nearly quant

[safe coral]

I’m doing CNNs RNNs in my job that’s because I’m allowed to do whatever I want @fringe sphinx

[peak halo]

I should secretly get a second job as a spreadsheet jocky, write pandas scripts to do the whole job, and then just keep doing my main job.

[safe coral]

So I created a recommender system and did sentiment analysis just for fun

[fringe sphinx]

There's big money in that, btw. That's almost exactly my career 🙂

[safe coral]

My job doesn’t require me a specific set of skills because it was created for me lol

[fringe sphinx]

You have to say that in Liam Neeson's voice

[safe coral]

But seriously I got lucky lol

I mean they pay little but they don’t interfere with my job. I created recommender system because I was bored lol

[near ocean]

This is about 90% of what overemployment looks like
The other 10% is the huge monitor stacked desk

[safe coral]

Or I use Python to their fiscal forecast

[fringe sphinx]

Well, I'm 10% there!

[safe coral]

Like if you look at some data analyst positions they require nothing but SQL… I don’t apply to those positions

I only apply to ones where I can use Python or R

Especially combined with ML and AI

Like if I see a data analyst position where ML and AI is not used I skip them.

Yes there are a lot of data analyst positions but I only apply to ones that aligns with my resume

Same with ML and AI positions. I only apply to ones that aligns with my resume

I mean even people here were not that critical of my resume @pine sleet

Bobby was like it looks fine

[open ivy]

How do you all keep a personal project going if you are depressed about your job search not working out?

[safe coral]

Are you a recent graduate?

[open ivy]

No I am older, but recent graduates are also facing this issue.

[safe coral]

Yeah unfortunately market is not that great 😭

Honestly right now I’m working on my thesis which can be like a personal project so I say f**k job market and just enjoy working on my thesis

Also @pine sleet you forget the big region factor. The recruiter told me that east coast is having a tech job shrinkage. She said lots of jobs in southwest and west

Now the fact that you are in Texas may be making it a lot easier for you to find a job

Because so many tech jobs are there. Philly is literally struggling with tech jobs

So many applicants not a lot of tech jobs in this area

[pine sleet]

well either way it's not worth dwelling on

or using it as an excuse

ftr im not refuting the fact that its not true

[safe coral]

Aren’t you in California @open ivy

[fringe sphinx]

Well, Philly has never been a hot tech center, at least not compared to the other major metros.

I'd imagine NYc with their TTO mandates is prob the place to be (and to be broke)

[open ivy]

Agreed. I would much rather dwell on my personal project (making a physics engine) than gloom and doom.

As a bonus I will be reaching out to others who are building physics engines and talk to them about mine and their engine.

[grave barn]

do i need to know oop for discord bots?

[safe coral]

Yeah so that’s another problem @fringe sphinx Philly sucks with tech jobs

[fringe sphinx]

You'll want to understand how classes work, #python-discussion is a better channel to ask this tho

[safe coral]

And I’m not willing to move to another state just to work in an entry level job

I got offered one in Seattle for 75K a year but that’s crazy considering how expensive it is to live in Seattle

That would probably equal to 40K to in PA

[grave barn]

oh mb i thought this was the channel

[open ivy]

Has anyone been so depressed you couldn't function because the job search isn't working well?

But than have you said to yourself "Look, I have a project I really want to get done rain or shine. Let me push myself to make progress on it, rain or shine."

Anyone push though bad emotions in order to keep your passions alive?

[safe coral]

I’ve been depressed but I’m now in idgaf mindset

[open ivy]

What personal copding projects are you working on?

[safe coral]

My projects are all college related

[open ivy]

All your projects were given to you by other people?

[safe coral]

This semester I’m working on Graph Neural Networks in Image Classifications (as one of them)

The other one is Music Recommender System using RL (Especially DQN)

First one is gonna be my thesis and second one is for my RL course @open ivy

[open ivy]

Back when I was in college I balanced coursework with personal projects.

[safe coral]

Well I also work part time

4 days a week 😅 so I don’t really have time for personal projects

Now if I didn’t work that would be lovely so I could do some personal projects

[open ivy]

So you will start personal projects once out of college?

[safe coral]

I’m hoping to land a job before I finish my masters

If not yeah but I may also get hired by my college as a teacher.

And pursue phd as a worst case scenario

While teaching in college which means more research

[open ivy]

I have always been a social outcast so it was more important for me to have projects of my own.

Maybe if I more easily made friends the drive would have not been there?

[safe coral]

Research is basically project so 😛

I mean you should definitely have your own projects. My thesis will be my own project

Last semester I did my own project for sentiment analysis

[open ivy]

They give your freedom on your thesis to chart your own course?

[safe coral]

Sometimes collaborative work can be very rewarding tho since it can lead to better outcomes

[open ivy]

I didn't have an undergrad thesis so I don't know what it is like.

And I do want low-level collaboration with my physics simulation and someone elses project.

[safe coral]

Yeah I was either gonna do Boltzmann Machines or GNNs… My prof was not that good with Boltzmann machines so we decided to work on GNNs

Yeah you usually don’t do thesis in undergrad it’s a grad school thing and it’s usually done if you are interested in research. It’s not mandatory @open ivy

However thesis is required if you wanna do PhD

[open ivy]

I see. That counts as a personal project at some level, a task that gives you a lot of freedom rather than one that is just homework.

[safe coral]

Yeah moreover you have a chance to get it published on a journal which is a bonus

[open ivy]

About a PhD: It is "too much of a good thing" but it does allow a lot of freedom. Is it overall good? Depends on a variety of factors.

Tips for a PhD route:

• Keep up the undergrad openness to make friends, but only expect 10% or so to do so. Fighting the pruning can be rough, I think I had/have negligible pruning in the first place so didn't have to fight it. Friends = mental health + networking + more ideas bouncing around.
• Later on, students will get stressed and can be angry at the people around them, including at you. Don't take it personally! Still support and encourage your peers, become an island of strength.
• Make sure you stay interested in the broader topic, even when you lose interest in your sub-sub-sub topic.
• Writing intensive deluxe! English class all over again times 100. Be prepared! But being the engineer who can write is good.
• Academia is very hard to get into (as in a tenured professor). Industry is huge. There are academically-oriented places in industry. Try to reach out to them, maybe a paid internship? At the very least show genuine interest during your PhD.
• Cook. It will save you thousands of dollars, and offering the occasional hot-food meal to other students is magical for making friends. A simple kitchen timer prevents so many accidents.
• Remember that chat GPT and other AI run on classical computers, not quantum computers, which limits these tools to be mostly useful as information sources.

[velvet sigil]

I am moving on from Python basics into intermediate stuff, just recently getting a grasp on OOP as the last topic in CS50's course. I was going to work through Automate the Boring Stuff, since it seemed like a resource to learn scripting with Python. I'm starting it, and it says it is for complete beginners. Is there a better resource? is it worth going through if I'm not a complete beginner?

[open ivy]

Post this in #pedagogy

[peak halo]

One should emphatically not post that in pedagogy, the description of which starts with "NOT FOR RESOURCES"

[open ivy]

You are right. Oops.

What thread does it belong in?

[peak halo]

#python-discussion

[stuck urchin]

I have a BA in econ with econometrics skills and python plus pseudo SQL crash course I did,
How hard is it to land an entry data analyst job? Toronto

I just want a job so I can move out

[peak halo]

the best way to figure that out is to start applying and see what happens. you can post your anonymized resume in this channel to get feedback.

[clear kestrel]

Can you share what website it is please?

[nimble flower]

hello uh, I am currently a 17 years old kid, grade 12th ( the final year of high school ) , so i aimed to be a software engineer and hardware engineer also, I have learned 5 languages including Python, C++, Lua, HTML and little bit of C# My C++ and LUA reached the level of advanced while the others simply at level of a noob.

i just wanna ask that did i actually cook or nah, i really want some more recommendations for my career path

[somber quail]

🙂

[granite cypress]

hellp

[long solar]

Are partnerships worth it

James Dyson for example owns 100% of Dyson, a $20b company

[fast fossil]

How is that example representative of or relevant to what you're asking?

[vapid jay]

until u make an enterprise grade application u will never know the challenges so maybe try n build something. since u know so much u could also intern somewhere

[nimble flower]

yea i have done 12 projects ( 11 console-based and 1 Window Form Based ( IOS calculator )) , idkis that enough but just wondering what kind of projects should i do more to ensure my career security

yea and i do all of that on my own

[buoyant seal]

i wrote article about how to choose topics for awesome pet projects that will be impressive https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html

In a short retelling, you need to pick smth that will be useful for you in every day life, or building smth for community (gaming or smth) you are part of
with real users, of some gaming modification or tooling for them, maturity of your written pet project will be far more impressive
Because u will handle plenty of edge cases, needing to profile problems, needing a lot more code to handle all the feature requests

[nimble flower]

alr

do we need to solo if thats way too far and hard?

[buoyant seal]

people build such impressive stuff alone, like those mods for Starsector game https://www.ashesofthedomain.info/ build by Kaysaar.
They always build alone, and they hope to have colloborators helping them eventually. (but potentially that will never happen)
Sometimes it happens, but rarely for more than single-few moments to help them. Usually such development remains alone even if your software becomes impressive and becomes used by thousand users.

To build such software continously requires some Clean coding effort on your part, otherwise hard to meet all demands of users
and remaining sane in fixing the problems.
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
I highly recommend building it with unit testing in mind at minimum (and with typing, preferably static typing)
That ensures that quality will be up to the task for long term, multi years development without problems

with eventual learned coding architecture skills, the unit testing alone will help enough for the code to remain flexible and adjusting it to changing needs and code growth

[nimble flower]

damn, are you college student right now

[buoyant seal]

no. i am Senior Backend Developer / DevOps engineer at this point for a year already

[nimble flower]

tysm for your recommendation, i might do sth big before i turn 18 lol, although, what platforms do u usually use to create Softwares?
I only know QT Application and Visual Code only but idk which one helps me the most

[buoyant seal]

i am huge fan of Linux, due to it being ultimately Developer friendly system.
and i am somewhat fan of web based backend solutions due to them being... very accessable to users.

So i write web solutions for users, or for web server infrastructure or for developer tooling locally or in CI.
Linux friendly, or development from Linux at least is requirement i have to anything i build.
I like that Golang is easy cross platform compilable so i am able to make Windows/MacOS launchable applications from linux too

i aim to extend myself to some game modding in Java eventually, that will be more desktop based, but it will all remain Linux friendly too

i will prefer never needing in my life developing from Windows or MacOS. At most for some testing purposes i launch Windows in Virtual Machine, to check that my software is compatible with it for windows users

[nimble flower]

Like i said, i made an IOS calculator using C++ last year but is it ok if theres still a little assistance from AI? Cuz there were some part i havent learned and i found it too hard , yea i wanna ask that when we do projects is it ok for us to get some little help from AI, like not too much like we depended on it

[buoyant seal]

I am a person of anti Neural Network generated text lies standing. https://www.cst.cam.ac.uk/blog/afb21/oops-we-automated-bullshit
I believe it should not be used in software writing at all at this stage (may be subject for changes in 5-10 years or smth)
I believe Neural Network have usage cases for some Cancer identification or Oil finding, or as convenient method for Picture Laundering to get them copyright free. But i don't wish to take part in their development due to a lot of hype, and expensiveness when dealing with them, and most of a process not being depended on writing long term mantained quality software code.
And not wishing being a user due to them generating not usedul lies

Some people may have different standing. But i have spoken and will remain standing on usage of AI being a mistake for text generations.
Never received any good results from it in terms of text, unless using it for Name generating ideas
(Just alone usage of AI for help bot purposes is already very annoying feature that i prefer to bypass to live operators(or official documentation) instead of dealing with those lie generators)

[nimble flower]

Alr thank you for your recommendations man, i really appreciate it

[buoyant seal]

in general i also dislike that spreaded usage of text lie generators made Dead Internet Theory as not a theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory
I pick for my sources of truth, reading from Official Documentation (regardless how much horrible it is written), Reading from source code/comments in code and reading some quality O'reilly(or Packt) book for learning purposes

than more we go further, then more articles become some bullshit generated by lie generators. So... the only thing it did is harming internet content further with generating SEO poisoning

[nimble flower]

Yep the AI generated videos and marketing strategies, i pretty dislike those

[tough hatch]

Hey there , any soft skills recommendation to learn , for future career such as building a business based on coding services ?

[nimble flower]

Absolutely like doing Web, it can helps you to open your own store , selling things online

[buoyant seal]

Or having entire photoshop inside web browser
Or making game server
Or making game data navigational tool

[buoyant seal]

https://darklab8.github.io/fl-data-discovery/ like this one.

Ultimately web can do everything, except having hard time to render graphics without javascript in browser. WASM stuff is a bit too fresh.
Some difficulty/limitations to make a nice interface in browser due to limitations to html/css and preferable usage of more simplistic js

ultimately your clients can be Desktop/Mobile applications too.
Web server can be reused for everything, and being open for programmatic communications with anything.

A single data storage, code logic at server reused for all types of web/desktop/mobile applications. Render in whatever interface u wish end result

If u will dive into modern.js u can have entire heavy web applications being present in browser. Or even games in browser.
I dislike only JS itself 😅 that puts some limits to my Web journey, due to its necessity in web world. I use it only in amount i have to

[upbeat jewel]

how active role ?

[buoyant seal]

how active role of what? 🤔

[upbeat jewel]

voice 😳

[neon gulch]

hi

[white relic]

!voice this is the career discussion channel

[inner wren]

Voice verification

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[deft plaza]

For those who are/were university CS students, what and when was your first internship? Was is it a non profit, a start up, or something else? What was it like?

[peak halo]

I haven't been an intern, but I have mentored interns.
groups that hire interns typically scope what they want an intern to work on before they hire anyone for the internship; there has to be something cohesive for that intern to do that can be done over the summer, but which is non-essential.

I think startups are relatively unlikely to hire interns. the company needs to be able to afford the risk of hiring an intern who doesn't work out.

[digital fjord]

It was a pretty large company, tho a fairly independent segment of this company. It was apparently fairly nonstandard, I operated quite independently on somewhat major features.

[buoyant seal]

it was a local start up in my origin city. there were plenty of most terrible mistakes made. I consider i navigated it resonably well despite making my bountiful share of screw ups, and exited with good amount of skills under my belt in time. Most valuable for me earned appreciation of unit test driven development. But also i got initial hang of server infrastructure as a code skills, as well as trying my hand even in system design stuff

I got into this startup because i was local to a big city for IT related jobs, and my resume was enthusiastic and filled with open source/hobby stuff i did. Otherwise i was just a regular graduate as others

Probably my most major screw up was some soft skills (communications) related stuff. But at the same time in other stuff related to soft skills i managed to have some significant victories achieved.

I was lucky to be there i guess. Boss was persuaded by team lead that having juniors working there was more profitable in a long or quick run. Boss wished exploiting plentiful of low skilled devs. Charisma related screw ups were very plentiful.

[deft herald]

I also never was an intern but have mentored a few interns in the last couple of years. Similar experience as Stelercus; we typically have a set project that meets the following criteria:
a) challenging yet obtainable in the small time frame they will be with us
b) Would be used by the team if it is successful, yet isn't going to be something critical that the team or other teams have to rely on

Also, if we overestimate the amount of time it will take them, we usually have a back-up project or a "b" project they can work on too

I will also say the success rate of whether or not their work amounts to anything useful is about 50%. However that doesn't mean they won't get an offer to come back. (we literally just hired someone last year who was a previous intern, but what she worked on as an intern never really amounted to anything useful yet)

[sterile smelt]

Do you guys think its worth it to do a Masters in Data Science? I want to have a strong mathematical background and an indepth understanding of stats. I've only done one internship rn and graduate schemes are look grim right now with only 4 final interviews so far and no responces

[white relic]

1. What will you plan to do with an MSDS?
2. What's your bachelors' in?
3. What's the alternative? I.e., what will you plan to do instead of getting an MS?

[deft plaza]

Thank you all for the feedback

[mortal mauve]

Hii there i am 17 and have started learning python a few months ago , can anyone guide me with what after that ? what are the areas i should look to excel and all ?

[sterile smelt]

so with the masters I want to either build predictive models to help businesses make decisions or be a ML / Data engineer.

I currently am in my final year of Computer science (Artificial Inteligence specalization)

Instead of a MSc i was planning on taking courses building projects and keep applying till I get a job

[fringe sphinx]

The important thing is to start building things; projects. It doesn't matter what (game? Web app? Data projects? Raspberry pi?...). Each project will teach you the next skills you need- how to build increasingly complex systems.

[white relic]

My understanding of data science is that it's hard to compete in that field without at least a master's.
So I wouldn't put too much weight on projects alone if you're hoping for DS/modeling type jobs.
But there are a lot of jobs you can get with "just" a BSCS, if you broaden your scope a bit.
Possibly including jobs that will help you on your way to your long term goals (paying for the master's, for example)

"Is it worth it?" is always a challenging question to answer. Both options have merit, but they'll push your future career in different directions.

[peak halo]

@dapper mantle your message was removed for breaking rule 9.

[hybrid sage]

If i don't have a degree in computer science but have impressionable projects that's relevant to the job's position, do I still have a chance to get an interview?

[peak halo]

do you have a degree in something else?

[hybrid sage]

nope.

I'm in year one of computer science but I don't like the teachers there and I learn better from the internet

[peak halo]

I think it's very unlikely in the current market. you can always try, but you should have a contingency plan.

[peak halo]

so you're a current student?

[hybrid sage]

Yep

[peak halo]

if you say "if I don't have a degree", that makes it sound like you're not even pursuing one--one would usually say "if I'm currently pursuing/in year x of a degree"

it's pretty much expected that CS students will do self-learning in addition to the coursework. you should look for internships that relate to your interests and the projects you've worked on.

do not drop out of the program.

[hybrid sage]

I had many fantasies of dropping out to be honest. Programming is just not that fun when you need to meet deadlines and do a bunch of homework

and the teachers don't teach very well. if I don't understand something, I have to google for the majority of time which is frustrating and time consuming

[sleek charm]

Question: I have a successful application to a degree apprenticeship in Software Engineering Consultancy, and there's a "Game-Based Assessment developed by Arctic Shores" coming up on sunday. What do I need to expect on this and should I be fearful, they said there's no right or wrong answer and it's a measure of my behaviour and way of tackling challenges but I'm still nervous

[peak halo]

All of us with CS degrees have been where you are, to one extent or another. I would very strongly discourage you from dropping out. Your chances of success will drop precipitously if you do.

[hybrid sage]

this is a lose-lose situation

[peak halo]

I've explained why it's a lose situation if you drop out--why is it a lose situation if you stay in?

[fringe sphinx]

I will say: real life SWE jobs are not anywhere similar to University, just like Uni is nowhere similar to High School.

[hybrid sage]

endure the suffering

[sleek charm]

Can someone answer my question pls

[hybrid sage]

endure the suffering or drop out and have a rough time searching for jobs

[peak halo]

there might not be anyone online right now who knows. you can try again later.

[fringe sphinx]

There are a wide range of jobs. Tech is not monolithic. There are many jobs that build off a CS degree.

[hybrid sage]

I never worked as a swe but I really have a strong intuiton this is how it's gonna be

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, this is a very specific question... not sure if anyone here will know what "Arctic Shores" is.

[spice willow]

You've only been in college for a year right?

[fringe sphinx]

I have worked as a SWE. For a long time. If you think you know what the job is going to bne like, you're wrong. Because: there's no one way the job is like.

[hybrid sage]

I started last year in october I think

[spice willow]

Do you have any alternative career paths?

[fringe sphinx]

Is it a coding assessment? Or playing a game? Or some gamified hiring thing?

[peak halo]

I have never heard of anyone doing a "game based assessment"

[hybrid sage]

I like 3d animation and there isn't a prerequisite for having a degree in 3d art. you need to have a good demo reel/portofolio

[fringe sphinx]

Also: You can also change majors. That's not uncommon.

[peak halo]

you can also try to transfer to a different school

[spice willow]

Imo you should get a degree anyway

[hybrid sage]

I think changing majors would make my search more hard for programming jobs to be honest

[fringe sphinx]

If you think CS majors are going to have a tough time getting a job, and art is easier, I suggest you talk to artists.

[spice willow]

Not in 3d art tho lol, just continue CS

[fringe sphinx]

(I'm not just being flippant... I know multiple artists and art majors, and yah, it's a tough career route... altho the ones who land a good graphics design starting point seem to have a career path)

[hybrid sage]

wait wait hold up xD

I'm not saying doing art is easy

both fields require work, between the two fields i'd choose programming since I've tried it before entering into college for CS and liked it and there's more available jobs for it so I can have an easier time finding a job

edit: I reread your comment and I wanna say that I think finding jobs for 3d art jobs is more harder I think since I already have a feeling more programming jobs are wanted in the market. it's just my alternative career path in case I can't find a SWE job

oh wait, I think getting a job in 3d art is more harder

[fringe sphinx]

Uni sucks. It's hard. I don't want to downplay your experience or feelings. Only that: I liked years 3-4 better than years 1-2. The courses get more interesting.

[meager roost]

hello , recently i have started learning python i have CS major , any suggestion how to learn fast ?

[sleek charm]

For context: I'm 18 and in my last year of sixth form in the UK I already have offers at unis to study CS and AI but I decided to take the degree apprenticeship route

The game based assessment is measuring my:

1. Cognitive agility
2. Problem Solving
3. Personality Traits
4. Emotional Intelligence.

Apparently it involves things like matching patterns, prioritising takes, managing resources and solving puzzles, and it's supposed to take on average like 45 minutes.

[fringe sphinx]

Learn fast = code often. And ask a lot of questions (in #python-discussion )

[fringe sphinx]

You can practice at sites like codewars or exercism, and do projects like below:

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[spice willow]

Sounds like some weird mix of an IQ test and a personality test

[lost cypress]

I have just been invited for an interview with a very well known company for a full time software role, they asked me to provide my availability for the next two weeks.

I am currently scheduled a lot of hours this week for my full time job but I am more free next week.

Is it a bad look or just unprofessional if I were to tell the recruiter that I have those things going on this week and send availibility for next week?

[hybrid sage]

My dislikeness for college isn't because that the courses are "boring"... it's just that the teachers don't teach very well and I like learning solo more because I experiment through practice and I don't like the feeling of learning just for the sole obligation of getting a grade to pass which is stressful enough

[fringe sphinx]

They asked for availability for next two weeks. It's totally reasonable to just give them dates for next week. No reason to even explain it.

[sleek charm]

Smh idk what it is but it doesn't sound difficult given that their supposed to teach me on the job while I'm earning a l6, bachelor degree in Software Engineering Consultancy. The pay is pretty good too, I've already been shortlisted and according to my friend who got put in a similar situation where they gave him an interview for a L5 Apprenticeship in Radiography, it's just politics for me to get initiated properly idek

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I hear you. That also gets better as you get to upper class... I think profs get a little bored with freshman classes... their interests are often in the 4xx and 3xx classes.

[lost cypress]

Okay sounds good, and by availibility I simply send them multiple different time slots based on the time window they are asking for correct?

[spice willow]

Dunno much about this stuff ngl, maybe you can find someone from the UK here

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, just say something to show that you're really interested (thank them, and express your interest, and give them some time slots next week)

[lost cypress]

like id be replying with monday 12-1, thursday 10am-11am, and more

thats jsut an example

[fringe sphinx]

Yup.

[lost cypress]

thank you!

[sleek charm]

I see..

[fringe sphinx]

I'd usually say something like; Monday after noon, or Thursday before 11am, or something. Give them a little flexibility.

[lost cypress]

hmmm okay good idea

[sleek charm]

But as a general question, would you guys see a non-technical no right or wrong answer as a threat to me getting the position

[fringe sphinx]

wdym?

[sleek charm]

The assessment they are giving me is non technical it's basically supposed to assess what kind of person I am.

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, a behavioral interview. The concept is normal. I've just never seen it as a gamified process.

[sleek charm]

Yes, what are my chances looking like, the behavioural interview is framed in a game-like manner

[fringe sphinx]

Your chances are non-zero. 🙂

[sleek charm]

Ye I figured

[pine sleet]

unfortunately fairly common. not much you can do beside take your learning into your own hands and just submit homeworks and do well enough on the exams for the class

it's going to be far tougher if you drop out so it's not really a "lose lose situation"

[open ivy]

I have a complex involved physics engine and will be reaching out to other people who are in this niche field. I am working on scripts for reaching out. Here is my script. Note: I treat these as guidelines, not absolute rules.

Cold email to GitHub etc user example: "Hello, I noticed you are working on <name of physics engine> and I am intrigued as I have a personal physics engine project. I have a few questions to ask about your engine. Do you have 20 minutes one of these days for a voice chat?"

Follow up if no response (only follow up once): "Hello, I sent you an email a couple of days ago about your physics engine and am not sure you saw it as inboxes can be hectic and messages are easily missed."

Follow up if they say too busy: "I understand. Could you point me to anyone who may be available?"

If they do have a chance, I plan on asking focused questions etc.

Any advice for my "scripts"?
What time of the week is best to send these emails? Besides email (which is often full of spam), what other ways to contact people do you recommend?

[hybrid sage]

😭 im ded

[white relic]

No career choice reliably minimizes suffering

[pine sleet]

it's only 4 years

and it'll set you up for the next 40

[near ocean]

Thinking of higher education as suffering is such a privileged position its laughable

[hybrid sage]

3*

[pine sleet]

even better

[restive sentinel]

print("hello world")

[peak halo]

!starify 1223022472555659427 "3 days"

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied superstar to @restive sentinel until <t:1738357460:f> (3 days).

Superstarified!

Your previous nickname, 卐, was so bad that we have decided to change it. Your new nickname will be Darude.

You will be unable to change your nickname until <t:1738357460:f>. If you're confused by this, please read our official nickname policy.

[restive sentinel]

😿

name=input("what is your name?: ")
age=int(input("how old are you?: "))
hight=float(input("tall plz (cm): "))
age= age /10
hight= hight/2
print("hi "+name)
print("wow you are "+str(age) +" decade")
print("you are "+str(hight)+" inch")

[deft herald]

This is #career-advice my friend

[restive sentinel]

try it 🤓

[restive sentinel]

ooh ok

[restive sentinel]

im new here

[deft herald]

Welcome. Might be a good idea to read through the rules, but feel free to chat in #python-discussion about your code

[restive sentinel]

ok tnx

[safe coral]

MSDS is not a good degree to study in my opinion. It's geared towards people with limited DS knowledge. I was initially gonna do my masters in DS but I realized how horrible the DS programs are so I switched to CS with AI and ML focus

I have been accepted to UMich, Berkeley, UT, Upenn and John's Hopkins DS programs and the majority of students were new to DS

If you want to have a strong mathematical and statistical background, you should do your master's in statistics

[safe coral]

most DS masters are junk money grab

[sterile smelt]

What modules does ur course have?

[safe coral]

What do you mean? @sterile smelt

[white relic]

We have discussed at length how you have had a singular experience with education and it's probably unwise to generalize it.

[safe coral]

Im talking about masters degrees

I didnt have a bad experince with my undergraduate education

Im talking about how to stay away from DS master's program.

[pine sleet]

what are you basing this on?

[sterile smelt]

yeah what classes does ur CS with AI and ML have? I wanna compare it to some of the universities i wanna go to

[safe coral]

With the courses offered and how easy to get in them. If they teach Linear Algebra as a mandatory course in DS masters, thats alarming @pine sleet That should be an undergraduate course

When I joined the Upenn's DS master's discord, there were people with history degrees with no programming experience

[pine sleet]

is it common to teach linear algebra in a masters program? it’s a fairly common undergrad course so I don’t think they’d do that, unless it’s a more rigorous or extensive version

[safe coral]

No it is not comon at all. @pine sleet

[digital fjord]

Here they've added lin alg and basic discrete math back into masters since students forgot them by the time they got their bachelors

[true harness]

it would not be taught at an undergraduate level

[pine sleet]

ok so it’s not a problem them. you made it sound like most DS masters programs are bad because they teach linear algebra

[safe coral]

You literally need to take exams in some colleges before you can even go to their master's program. I had to take math aptitude test before I could even get accepted to UT

now those colleges are good

[pine sleet]

pretty common for undergrad programs nowadays too.. I took a math placement exam as well

regardless I still don’t get by what metric you’re saying most DS masters programs are bad

[safe coral]

Im just saying people with no DS background are going to most of these new DS masters to break into DS so people with previous DS or CS knowledge wont benefit much

[pine sleet]

why does it matter if there are some inexperienced people in a program if the program is good?

[safe coral]

the problem is programs are not good

[pine sleet]

don’t apply to the ones that are bad then lol

there are some bad programs, most are average, and some are again exceptional

[sterile smelt]

the one im looking at there are a few math courses which are optional

[safe coral]

There are only a few. People see names like Upenn and Umich and apply to those colleges just be disappointed

[sterile smelt]

Elements of stats learning, statistical finance ect . There are lots of deep learning and ML moduels as well

[pine sleet]

that’s on them for not doing their research

[safe coral]

what colleges are you looking into? @sterile smelt

[pine sleet]

applying to a program just because you’ve heard of the name without researching anything else is not a good idea

[safe coral]

Like people hear Berkeley and apply immediately lol

[sterile smelt]

UCL, Imperial, KCL, LSE

[safe coral]

Oh Europe?

[pine sleet]

that’s their problem
but people should do a lot of research on many programs before coming to a decision because you’ll be spending a lot of time and money

[sterile smelt]

Yeah UK

LSE is a bit of a strech bc its a bit expensive.

[safe coral]

UCL looks good

[sterile smelt]

Yeah i liked what UCL offers

[near ocean]

As a local or as international?

[safe coral]

I checked their curriculum. Applicants must have knowledge of mathematical methods including linear algebra, calculus, probability and statistics at least at the level taught in the first year of a UK university undergraduate programme in the mathematical sciences. Relevant work experience may also be considered. Depending on the optional modules selected, students undertake assignments that contain programming elements and prior experience in a high-level programming language (e.g., Python) is useful.

it means it will be rigorous @sterile smelt the fact that they require mathematical knowledge

[sterile smelt]

Yeah I guess that makes sense

Never looked at it like that tbf I just see if I would enjoy their core / optional modules

[sterile smelt]

Local

[safe coral]

Imperial looks good too and its online but their classes are more statistical

[near ocean]

Dont do an online course if you can do the same course in person

[safe coral]

Yeah Im not sure how it is in the UK. Do you guys pay more for in person vs online

Mine offers both in person and online but I save 20K per year for doing it online cuz I don't pay all those extra fees and non resident student tuition lol

[near ocean]

Its not the same experience as meeting with people in person, talking to your profs suring office hours, studying together etc

[safe coral]

thats true

[sterile smelt]

I rlly like what imperial has but yeah online is not rlly for me I did half my junior and full senior year online in hs I can’t do that again

[safe coral]

I would go for UCL

[lost cypress]

if a recruiter for this interview says it likes this

Please provide your availability for the next two weeks in Pacific Standard time to accommodate a 1 hour technical WebEx screen.```

i just assume they mean provide some availibility slots that is within 14 days from now right?

so even if i only provide slots that are say 8-10 days away from now that is okay? like since i am quite busy this week

[true harness]

yeah that's what that means

[lost cypress]

ok thanks

also is it completely normal and not unprofessional for me to ask the recruiter about what kind of format of questions i should expect and also maybe what topic of questions to expect?

[true harness]

that is reasonable

[lost cypress]

they havent really given me much information or a job description that is why im wondering

[fringe sphinx]

Just be polite, not assuming, and accept if they say; 'we don't know'

[plush plover]

Feel free to ask all the questions you need, so you can prepare for the interview.
You don't wanna go unprepared and be surprised with a practical task or something like that.

[final kiln]

I have a very basic coding knowledge

what should i learn now according to the market

[fringe sphinx]

Get good. Write code. Do projects. Individual skills don't matter; what matters is you can solve hard problems

[final kiln]

can you tell me from where should I learn it

[fringe sphinx]

There's lots of good places. Automate the Boring Stuff (free ebook), Corey Schaffer or Brocode (yt) or CS50p are popular

[uncut bay]

Hey guys I was wondering when I'm close to finishing high school and have to choose between TAFE (if you don't know don't answer), or university, if I want a software engineering role.

[jaunty cove]

How's everyone doing

[upbeat jewel]

[jaunty cove]

Why Google Schola do not have API

[near ocean]

Possibly a question for google instead?

[faint depot]

Writing a cover letter for a degree apprenticeship with ARM. I do not have the prerequisite grades but, I believe my foundation year degree may be enough to push my UCAS points to be eligible for it. How do I write a good cover letter to at least try to increase my chances in getting accepted?

[vapid jay]

HI Friends

[vapid jay]

🤓

[white relic]

!ban 1181250180436217910 Your only actions in this server for some time have been off-topic, controversial and antagonizing comments, despite multiple warnings. It doesn't appear you are here to engage in good faith. Goodbye.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @devout field permanently.

[white relic]

Be honest, emphasize any impressive things you've done that counterbalance your grades - I'm assuming you have to report GPA/equivalent on the application, or otherwise you can just not mention it? So they already know your grades don't pass muster, your best chance is to wow them.

[faint depot]

Should I go for a full one page cover letter and try to be as concise as I can?

[white relic]

Use as much space as you need to advertise your awesomeness, and no more.
I'd guess most people at internship level can probably do that in a few paragraphs, less than a full page. You don't want to be adding filler to make up space