career-advice

[uneven ledge]

because I want to learn comp sci but I don't want to do a lot of math

[harsh river]

Not my circus, not my problem

Python is used for any field you can think of really

If you want to avoid as much math as possible check if any of the universities / colleges you’re thinking of applying to have software Engineering programs. If not, sadly you’ll have to deal with math anyways

[open ivy]

If you are paid, keep it (at least at some level) untill your first paycheck from \another job comes in.

[buoyant seal]

Commonly useful for data science and its machine learning, backend (apis/websites running on servers) development (and its data engineering), system adminstrators/scripting and devops engineering (glue for server infrastructure)

Commonly not useful for any user interfaces at least. Not for desktop development, not for mobile development, not for web frontend (technically usable with things like Jinja2, wagtail or streamlit and etc, but python can't ensure client side interactive web fronts, so limited to backend request-response from servers logic in implementing web frontends)

[buoyant seal]

in my origin country any software development university program is very high on math 😄 which i did not like too except for some of its disciplines, I just survived this moment mostly.

Some math disciplines are great to know in basics for computer graphics related stuff at least and in general for gaming related stuff

[uneven ledge]

yeah same here. I'm 27 and have an unrelated degree but I think I could self teach programming at least as a hobby. when I was in university recently the comp sci program was just a rediculous amount of math

i'm in the se usa. ppl taking it hated it.

[buoyant seal]

is your unrelated degree STEM related?

[uneven ledge]

nope

[harsh river]

you should definitely be able to find SWE programs in the southeastern part of USA, SWE tends to have less math that CS but you can't really escape the maths requirement fully

[true harness]

computer science is math. it's foundational to the field as a whole

[smoky quest]

why not?

[final ravine]

You can definitely avoid the math and get a comp sci degree

[true harness]

how?

[final ravine]

I sort of managed to fumble through with very poor arithmetic skills

[true harness]

arithmetic isn't really the hard part, though. i don't know of any CS program that doesn't cover at least a little discrete math ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sly tiger]

suggest a video for recursion

[smoky quest]

I mean, technically, you can always cheat your way, but not sure it removes the point.
The lack of math related skills might hurt your career even if you fumbled your way through your education through various means

[random grotto]

What level of maths or specific topics, should I know to learn python language ?

[smoky quest]

it depends on what you want to do with it.
In terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[random grotto]

I don't have a cs degree

I am learning python myself via an online course

[smoky quest]

Then you are choosing a path of much higher resistance and with lower opportunities and compensation

[random grotto]

I do have a degree in economics, so I think learning python may help me in getting more job opportunities

That is why I am asking what level of maths or is there any book recommended that I can practice from to cover maths required in intermediate and advance python

[smoky quest]

Nice!
It's still a distance function between your target role and your current skills

[random grotto]

So what should I do . Not learn python ?

[smoky quest]

I never said that

[random grotto]

Or I can definitely fill the gap

[smoky quest]

Programming languages are like tools, such as a screwdriver.
What matters is not the screwdriver but what you want to do with it

[random grotto]

I asked for level of maths required 😭, you are giving me crisis

[smoky quest]

The level of math will depend on how you plan to apply python in your career.
To learn python itself, you do not need a high level of math. You have 12 years old learning python

[random grotto]

Yaa I do know that..

[smoky quest]

then why asking the question?

[random grotto]

But I was asking what kind of maths is required for intermediate or advance level python

[smoky quest]

None

[random grotto]

Okay 🙃

[sudden timber]

"discrete maths" is really the only thing and that's not really what people think of when they talk about math

[smoky quest]

everyone should learn programming

[final ravine]

If you like economics you might also like the python support built into Excel

[dark roost]

Hey everyone, is anyone here in healthcare informatics by any chance?

[spiral shell]

hey which is the best bachlor degree for my AI/ML journey?? recently completed my 12th board.

and now i want to be verygood at python and ML. i need a practical and best degree for bachlor can anyone help me for this?

[random grotto]

Oh thanks .. I will look into it .

[pine sleet]

computer science

[spiral shell]

is it best?

i heard of bachlor n AI like that is also there and it only focus o AIn ml

[rugged plume]

Bachelors in AI/ML? That's weird. I'd just do a computer science degree is more well rounded as imo the hype for AI/ML is going to die down a little with ChatGPT running out of new training data to improve its general purpose model so other general purpose models are going to encounter similar issues so AI hype will likely deflate somewhat

[spiral shell]

bachlor in cs is better ??? can i know what s the dfferent?

[rugged plume]

There are a few reasons. Computer Science has been around for a while and teaches more broadly about programing and generally a few different languages. Being more general can also help you be able to get jobs in different areas of Development/programing, whereas a AI/ML focused degree almost pigon holes you

[spiral shell]

ohh ok

[mellow thistle]

Hey guys

[dull belfry]

any tips for getting internships
am in 2nd year in uni
my prof asked us to give list of students who are doing internships. but idk where can i find these at the first place

[digital fjord]

Usually, unis would hold events where local companies could recruit interns, but if you missed those, linkedin, or ask people who have gotten some/know where to look.

[dull belfry]

yes i did miss a whole semester due to medical problems. we have something called placements at the end of last or second last semester. apart from that idk where to get these internships i did try linkedin but not getting any results

maybe i should ask some senior or tutor

is there any other space than linkedin where i could possibly get connections and maybe participate in team events(hackathons) or maybe some internship in startups

online ones

[white relic]

looking for internships is like looking for any job. You should be proactive about looking for companies that offer them, making sure your résumé is as good as it can be, and sending applications.
May I ask where in the world you are?

Online only internships are less valuable than in person ones (and some of them are scams)

[dull belfry]

india

[dull belfry]

hmm but i was looking for part time online internships which i can do along with my uni

[hearty island]

guys it's been 4 months of me in the full time job!

[regal axle]

Nice! Shoutout to our new jobs (I also started this one around that time)

[dull belfry]

nice did you get placed from your university

[hearty island]

fire stuff, man!!

[hearty island]

nope, got it after 4k apps.

[regal axle]

Fun thing is that they do yearly reviews of everyone at the same time. Meaning I’ll be “up for review” before actually being there for a full year

[hearty island]

same here man. kinda nervous, idk how to review myself but i will do my best 🙂

[dull belfry]

i have to find one too🥲

[hearty island]

i have been very active on r/financialcareers, they've been very helpful

[regal axle]

Depends what type of person you are and your manager(s). But you can always be proactive and keep a frequent journal of your work accomplishments. Frequency of update is up to you. But once a week is good.

[hearty island]

yea it's competitive in india

[hearty island]

my manager doesn't really talk to me much. she doesn't like messaging on teams back and forth, unless all hell breaks loose. we meet weekly for 1:1s. i have other teammates and examiners at my firm that i talk to a lot more

she's ascertained that i need less hand-holding and i need to stand my own ground

[hearty island]

i did my onboarding event and met/shook hands with the VP and president of the entire firm like 3 weeks ago? super fun

[regal axle]

What I mean is about making a strong case for yourself about all that you have done. Making sure that other people know. Basically it’s important to show that you have been punching above your weight and are a valuable member of the company. And so that is why I said it depends. If you are off in a corner, you will benefit from more documentation. But if you have high visibility, that is more inherent

[hearty island]

i'm decently visible since i'm in the consulting area of my firm. i work with risk monitoring analysts, examiners, exam modernization, etc.

[regal axle]

Nice! I work for a very lean company. So I actually sit in a room with 6 C-suite. It’s great,,, as long as I do a great job.

[hearty island]

i was one of the only people to actually have the cojones to talk to them lol. good thing i came prepared with an impressive topic

[regal axle]

Hahaha, yea. Sometimes people forget that they are just … people. Granted, they have a lot of power over your world. But that can be a good thing too

[hearty island]

it took me some time to get my bearings in the role. my mgr is definitely tougher on me and expects more bc i came fresh out of college. i'm trying to improve my technical writing, if you have any tips or ideas on that it would be great!

i try to be as proactive as possible

[tame berry]

hey everyone, in what tech areas would I need to use Python for or in which is python best suited ?

[hearty island]

no such thing as ai in my org bc we've deemed ai as a gigantic risk for the investors we are trying to protect and we are not comfortable sharing our confidential data with ai, so ai writing is out of the pic

[regal axle]

Honestly ,,, just practice and experience. And if you are impatient, that means doing things outside of work. But also, making sure that you get frequent feedback is important. And … that’s about all I got. I don’t have a ton of insightful things to say for getting better at technical writing

[hearty island]

i think i am getting better, that's what the feedback says

[regal axle]

Valid and fair

[regal axle]

Yay! That’s always great. The important thing is not to be perfect day 1. But to show effort and improvement. People like growth. Arguably you are in a better position

[hearty island]

i also have a lot of facetime with people who've spent 10-20 years at the firm too, thanks to my role

[regal axle]

Sounds like you are in a really good spot. Good luck! (Although it sounds like you are doing a ton right and don’t need any more luck)

[hearty island]

it's amazing how much you can learn if you ask people for 15 mins of their time and ask good questions

[deft plaza]

I now understand the technologies that are in demand and the truth is I don't know them. As a beginner, my question here is: When is it a good time to start learning other technologies such as JavaScript, HTML/CSS? Also is it wrong to learn new technologies while I am still learning Python? What constitutes enough experience in a first programming language (in my case Python) to move on to new programming languages and frameworks?

[buoyant seal]

depends on your situation.

if you are in university, then any time learn another thing. Your goal is to try everything and find what u like and ready to work with after graduation.

if you are already working. makes sense first to deepen knowledge in a current language/teck stack most used at work in order for importance. that journey can take a good amount of time to learn stuff in depth.

[calm flint]

please help for this

WARNING: The script wsdump.exe is installed in 'C:\Users\lasko\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python313\Scripts' which is not on PATH.
Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location.
ERROR: pip's dependency resolver does not currently take into account all the packages that are installed. This behaviour is the source of the following dependency conflicts.
discum 1.4.1 requires websocket-client==0.59.0, but you have websocket-client 1.8.0 which is incompatible.

[next plover]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[open ivy]

Between side projects, creating a website to showcase them, and networking I am pretty busy. Thankfully, all three tasks build up core job skills (technical, communication, social).

This leaves me with less time to actually send applications. So I want to make each one count more. My DevOps exp is a better fit to Pulumni than Terraform, so I want to target companies that use Pulumni. I guess I can start with the Pulumni website company list?

[buoyant seal]

Terraform is too much popular to miss 😉 Target Terraform and Pulumi better both. It should be not a big issue as they are super close.
The main issue should be actually learning how to use them for specific big cloud provider like AWS, instead of learning their syntax usage problems

[buoyant seal]

😅 i learned all terraform syntax in a matter of few days with an awesome book Terraform up and running
I continue learnining through years how to use it for AWS :/

[open ivy]

It's not so much the syntax and other basics. It's the overall workflow that is tricky.

Terraform is not a general purpose programming language. So if you need to run general purpose code as part of the DevOps you need another language. Clean, bug free code with multiple interacting languages is tricky to maintain.

Pulumni has some tradeoffs of its own, but it allows using a single language for dev ops and general purpose code.

And I agree that learning what infrastructure to build is also a good idea.

But with all this, I simply don't have time to apply to all DevOps companies. I need to narrow my list considerably. Pulumni seems like a natural fit. But maybe I should be using other criteria instead to narrow the list?

[dapper bane]

I added open source contributions in my resume that I am currently doing

[dapper bane]

is adding open source contributions I am currently wokring on a bad idea because some will take months to merge

they are being worked actively and have PRs

[dapper bane]

Plz pong pong me

[long nebula]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEY

[muted bridge]

wtf?

How should I cite a future opportunity on my resume? Including it may help with my summer '25 search

This is for Spring '25 ^

[muted bridge]

insanity

[hearty island]

yep

[hearty island]

i learned a lot though

[muted bridge]

all that matters

[hearty island]

i had 6 internships too 🙂

[muted bridge]

may I ask which career path?

[hearty island]

consulting 🙂 in the financial sector. did my bachelors in biz analytics at hofstra.

[muted bridge]

gg wp

[hearty island]

yea my advice is to keep applying. change up your resume to fit the role

[lost kernel]

r u intl

[hearty island]

international? nope. US

[lost kernel]

then why did you get so fucked

[hearty island]

it was a tough year for applicants

[tough coral]

yooo, i'm costa rican, 15 years old, clearly fluent english, i'm actually trying to get some courses and experience programming and tech related so when i get outta high school i can easily get a job, how did ya'll work that out?

ik it's kind of a hard time getting a job as a programmer, but i heard it pays off well 😭

[harsh river]

do you live in costa rica though?

[tough coral]

ofc

[tough coral]

it's kinda harder here, though i have applied for some courses tech related, like cisco ccna and it essentials, i do know the basics of python (even if i didn't find any courses programming related)

[harsh river]

i would highly suggest to start being active in local programming groups

[tough coral]

Yeah, those are expensive afff, even though we can afford it it's 300 dollars each module for a course, and each course has about 6 modules

[harsh river]

in latin american countries networking is far more effective than having a degree itself, however you should also have the neccesary background, a college degree will be the path of least resistance, but networking in LATAM is very strong

[tough coral]

but i'm paying for the certifications, not the knowledge btw

[tough coral]

so i just need to build projects and show them off?

[harsh river]

huh? i didn't suggest any modules / paid things.

i'm saying start interacting with local programming groups / meetups

[tough coral]

ohhh, i don't think those exist here 😭 people aren't as interested in programming as in other countries, since they don't speak english on a high level

[harsh river]

sure, but try to get a college degree if you can.

a college degree will be the path of least resistance

[tough coral]

yeahh ik

what free courses do you recommend to start on programming basics?

[harsh river]

i know for a fact that isn't true, a lot of the LATAM countries have underground (small) but strong groups, they're a bit harder to find but they're still around.

matter of fact, next year the LATAM version of pycon will be hosted in costa rica 🙂

[tough coral]

Damnnn, that's amazing

soo, what happens if i assist pycon, am i assisting to see other people's projects?

[harsh river]

i think i have the contact of some professors in the national unicersity of costa rica and they might be the ones who run the local groups, i'll reach out for you

[harsh river]

https://us.pycon.org/2024/about/pycon/
there's a summary here, you can ignore the "us" part since it's largely the same across the world

[tough coral]

yeahhh, i was thinking of doing courses on universities, since they only ask for 9th grade certification

[tough coral]

i'll be reading that

[harsh river]

you should aim to get a full degree. un titulo universario, hacer cursos esta bien pero no es lo mismo que tener un bachiller universitario, el bachiler te abrira y te dara muchas oportunidades comparando con cursos.

[tough coral]

they kinda have a think called "INA" here, where they give free courses, but it's only for 30 people each course, so it's hard for they to call you, and it's nothing coding related, it's more like networking and cybersecurity

[harsh river]

los cursos en python realmente no tienen mucho valor para empresas extranjeras, que son las que pagan realmente bien, claro que localmente dentro de costa rica pudieras encontrar trabajos solamente con cursos pero no te pagaran lo mismo.

[tough coral]

sisi, aca pagan 2500 dolares en promedio comparado a los 5000 dolares en usa

[harsh river]

still take them, in LATAM all the technology fields basically get merged into a single thing "computer people" and dont really distinguish between the different fields, like cybersecurity, CS, SWE, networking, tech support etc, it's all the same to them in my experience

the one exception i'd say is probably mexico and colombia, since they have a larger concentration of tech jobs and thus they do get more technical about things.

[tough coral]

yeah, i applied for cisco (networking) and it essentials

https://acaducr.ucr.ac.cr/horarios-y-matricula/

this is a python course in the university of costa rica

it's a paid course, and very expensive

[harsh river]

that's a good start! a lot of people jump from IT / Networking to jobs like SWE / CS

[tough coral]

Niceee, i'm glad i made a good decition

[harsh river]

the cost is high, because the earning in such careers is also high.

also, relatively speaking, the cost you mentioned is high for costa rica, but not neccesarily for USA / UK / Europe, but with that being said, it is a good investment if you take advantage of it.

[tough coral]

Look at the course, it's divided by modules, even though you HAVE TO take the full course, they divide the prices by modules, for comparison 121000 colones are 237 dollars

so i thought about taking an international course, maybe those are cheaper to take

[harsh river]

it wont be.

my brother is taking a similar course where he's paying close to 4K USD in the dominican republic, compared to that, your course is about half that.

plus, i'm pretty sure you get university accreditation with yours.

[tough coral]

ohhh

[harsh river]

the university accreditation you get there will go a long way.

[tough coral]

and university accreditation, that sounds important, i bet i can get a good job so i can finance more university studies with that

my cousin recommended me to start on a call center

but i think it's better if i start taking these courses at a young age so i have enough experience to also get a job at a young age, that would solve a lot of my future adult problems 😭

[harsh river]

Honestly, call centers in LATAM are often recommended so that you get a better grasp with english quite fast, if your spoken english is as good as your written english, i wouldnt take that advice.

[tough coral]

if i could be working on a call center, i would take it since i was 14, but they mostly ask for experience in similar jobs and over 18

and if i get that programming experience i doubt i have to be working on a call center at 18

[harsh river]

sure, i'd say if you can take that university course as early as possible, do it, and then start working on projects so that you have demonstrable experience

the next PyCon LATAM will be in punta arenas, CR, at the local university there, if you can go there i'd highly recommend it as you'd do a lot of valuable networking and learn a lot!

[tough coral]

yeah, and the university of costa rica is the most prestigious university here, if i did this course i bet they would also let me in the university

[tough coral]

that's an hour long ride

[harsh river]

that's quite close!

[tough coral]

yeahh ig

[smoky quest]

accreditation is very important for anything official (ex: visa)

[tough coral]

i have a visa, that's good

[harsh river]

it'll be a 12 hour flight for me i think it'll be a 6 hour flight for me.

[smoky quest]

Not for all the countries

[tough coral]

lmaooo, where are you from?

[harsh river]

I'm from El Salvador, raised in the USA and now i live in Colombia

[tough coral]

how lmao

[tough coral]

that's quite an amazing touristic life

[smoky quest]

Each country has a different process and visa.
Being more educated (ie. accredited degres) can make things easier and give access to special visas

[harsh river]

(in LATAM, just having the visa for USA opens doors for basically everywhere, so mileagae may vary)

[tough coral]

yeahh, i think i'll be doing that course, that would be amazing for starters

[tough coral]

getting an usa virtual job here would be quite convenient

[smoky quest]

Sure and that's great! But then would not apply if they wanted to go work in another country

[harsh river]

it certainly would, though those are hard to get, and people with full college degrees go to the top of the list for those 😛

[tough coral]

yeah i've seen jobs at google with 7 years experience, i'd be aiming for that tbh

[mortal ember]

Hello

[tough coral]

yoo

[mortal ember]

How are you

[tough coral]

Goood, wby?

[tough coral]

also that course's schedule really favors me

[mortal ember]

Good too, what are you doing?

[harsh river]

@mortal ember please check the description of this channel.

[tough coral]

tbhh, deciding my future lmao 😭

[mortal ember]

I saw but I need somehow build the conversation first

[harsh river]

you don't, just ask your question directly.

[mortal ember]

Sorry

[tough coral]

I could be filling my resume with these, this cibersecurity course is only 2 modules, quite cheap, and barely 8 weeks each

[harsh river]

sounds like a good plan to me, you still have plenty of time as well 🙂

[tough coral]

literally!!

[tough coral]

this is so amazing frr, tysm, you've helped me a lot with my decitions

[harsh river]

i've contacted the profess of the national university, i'll pass along any info he gives me, hope to you see you punta arenas as well!

[tough coral]

as well? lmaooo you are deadass a coding master

[tough coral]

also i wonder if the ucr courses also count as careers?

[harsh river]

they don't, but they are accredited by the university, which goes a long way.

[harsh river]

no really, but the community is very welcoming and very hopeful!

lots of people say about pycons that they assist it for the conference but stay for the community

not to mention it's great to network with other spanish speaking programmers and professionals

sometimes companies go there and host job fairs as well, another benefit.

[tough coral]

that's amazinggg, i'll be there for sure

[tough coral]

yeahh, but i'll focus on doing courses, the only job i'm getting at 15 is skillshare 😭

[tough coral]

brb broo

[harsh river]

https://2025.pylatam.org
enjoy

[tough coral]

back, i already convinced my mom to pay for the course

[harsh river]

congrats!

[tough coral]

yeahh, i really got to thank you 😭 you probs saved my future

[harsh river]

@tough coral if you're a student, you can apply to financial aid, if you wanna talk about it though, DM me or ask me in any of the offtopic channels, this isn't career advice any longer what we're talking about lol

[tough coral]

alrightt

[tough coral]

dm'd you btw

[dapper bane]

can someone holp me ?

[rocky needle]

Hello people, I'm here because I'm high-key lost, I'm currently a senior in Egypt, and if i get good enough grades at the end of the school year I'm between going to engineering and aiming for either electrical of mechanical, maybe architectural, or going to compsci, i know the market for engineering is bad because of the amount of people that graduate every year 60,000 engineers on average yearly in Egypt alone but i may have a good chance as well and i like compsci for the market of it and i like the work itself but the market competition rising rn idk what it's gonna be like in 5 years when i graduate, same with engineering, I'm passionate about both but I'm simply afraid of regreting my choice within the 1st 2 months of college, so everyone's input would be helpful because i want to know what to aim for, but at the end it's all up to fate i might not even get the grades for both

Summary is, engineering degree in either electrical mechanic or architectural, engineering itself which is very difficult in Egypt or a compsci degree in whatever major i choose then.

[uneven ledge]

what is a sysadmin?

[smoky quest]

Egypt really spits out that many CS graduates each year?
The USA has 100k graduate each years and is quite bigger than Egypt with a bigger tech industry as well

[buoyant seal]

that depends on company from company. definition can vary a lot.

• 1. at a lowest form it is Help Desktop support with computers and small office equipment.
• 2. a step higher can be a person manually deploying web services and taking care of their maintanance across multiple server machines (Which can be Windowses).
  • 3. As a side step same person usually knows SQL/relational dbs enough to manage databases, and has potential evolution into Database Expert person
• 4. a step higher will be same but deploying to Linux machines, as it is more automatable and can be done at a large scale.
  • 5. a step significantly higher can be a person that does a high level of automation regarding it by using Infrastructure as a Code tools like Ansible/Salt/Puppet/Chef stuff and Containerization with things like Docker (Some people name this role as already devops engineering)
  • 6. as a step even more significantly higher can be actually using container scheduling abstraction and working with systems like AWS, Kubernetes (Some people name this role DevOps engineer quite often already)
• 7. If the sysadmin learns software development well, he can become fully fledged devops engineer. usually can be having joined duties with some other development

Depending on a job role, system administrator could be handling any system failures, responding to communicatins with users, doing any trivial manipulatios with server infrastructure needed at the moment of a time, from upgrading to extracting some kind of information.

TLDR: Depending on a company System administrator can be actually a Help Desk support, operator of servers (Windows and Linuxes), from manually operating with them to with tools of automataions, and communicating with users/dev and resolving any issues they have. Keeping the infrastructure running well, by preventing accidents when they happen or before they happen (by employing good usage of monitoring systems)

[uneven ledge]

do they program a lot or just manage GUI applications?

or terminal commands

[buoyant seal]

1st level out of 6 i mentioned does not program at all.
2th usually is not too (but can be using Powershell scripting at some point in small amounts for terminal commands)
3th knows SQL at least
4th level is usually navigating efficiently in terminal commands and knows at minimum shell (potentially smth else)
5th (and 6th) levels have to know infrastructure as a code tooling and can code infra (as well as knowing shell scripting or python scripting and etc as a helping glue) (Limited coding only related to infrastructure basically)
7th level is basically software developer taking care of infra (so can code freely)

[uneven ledge]

Wow that is really nice. I bet I could teach myself to do that, honestly.

Well, I don't know. But you make it sound easy,

[buoyant seal]

there are involved hardships depending how well job role type is pursued.
1 and 2th levels are basically almost illiterate and should be less hard to enter yes
3th level, knowing SQl level and databases at expert level... somehow requires being expert them which is acquired only if you actually became usually dev working with them (sort of long journey)
4th level linux system administrator... kind of less learning curve yes, but people rarely somehow have alignment to take care of infrastructure stuff?
5th and 6th choices and 7th choices are basically very opportunistic as people often wish seeing specialists right away?
and 7th level being software developer taking care infra... assumes usually university education and previous software developer job role experience (like backend developer), before transitioning to devops engineering
(Somehow amount of software developers wishing to take care of Server infrastructure stuff is super rare? Most devs seem to be seeing it as alien stuff they don't wish to work with for some reason. Plus learning curve is tough in needing to learn a lot of server/cloud infra stuff and software development at the same time. Which is quite a lot on a plate)

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There is a small problem with finding a good company/job to actually develop in a right direction a bit?
Majority of low level jobs and government related stuff happens to be stuck in a previous century at at most reaching level 4th, doing only manual stuff (or 5th at most)
6th and 7th type of jobs is kind of chance of luck, good previous education background, good previous job experience. There is need to find companies modern enough companies that actually use such stuff and manage to get job in them

#career-advice message marked with numbers for clarity

[harsh river]

i think they just spit out engineers in general, not specifically CS graduates

[dapper bane]

if someone can holp me 😥

[rocky needle]

No the 60k are engineering not cs, so in terms of job safety I'd say engineering even so it's more competitive, but in terms of availability cs has more jobs but that's on the decline and the ai thing idk what it's gonna look like in 5 years when i get my degree

[smoky quest]

If AI can replace all the CS jobs, what makes you think the other engineering degrees are safe?

[long solar]

If ai can take cs jobs then all jobs are cooked. So then at that point you have to become a farmer

[smoky quest]

if AI can take all the jobs, then why wouldn't it include farming?

[long solar]

No like subsistence farming for yourself

[rocky needle]

Do you think chat gpt can build an electrical curcuit by hand? , some stuff just need human resources engineering is one of them

In terms of design yes that might not be safe but in terms of hard capabilities i think engineering is good

[smoky quest]

So you are saying that AI can device any complex algorithm but an electrical circuit requires far more processing power than any other algorithm?

For reference, AI was already designing brand new antennas and electrical circuits 30 years ago

[rocky needle]

I'm talking hardware brother

[smoky quest]

What about it? Are you saying that there is no automation in hardware production?

[rocky needle]

Dude I'm saying manual human input combined with human creativity ai might take it in a way but the combination of both i don't see that happening

[smoky quest]

If AI can design the most efficient antenna in the world 30 years ago, why would it need humans?

[rocky needle]

Are you sure you're reading what I'm saying?, i said the design part might be solely ai at some point but the hardware capabilities combined with manual human input that's IN a human being won't be replaced by a humanoid

[smoky quest]

You are missing the point.
What steps or parts would require human input if AI has reached a level it can replace all CS jobs? What parts are out of reach of AI? Why would it need a human to perform some of the steps?

[long solar]

Yes manual labor will hold out a little longer before those too are all replaced by boston dynamics combined with chatgpt

[rocky needle]

You just said it, some, but ai will always need human input for it to fully work efficiently in terms of engineering if it advances to that point

[long solar]

You could make a little money as a roofer for a few years

[smoky quest]

I never stated anything, only asked question.
So which parts would require human input? Do you have a concrete example in mind?

[smoky quest]

roofing would actually be made safer/faster with robots

[long solar]

So would surgeon, and doctor, and everything else. We’re all gonna be unemployed

[smoky quest]

time to get into the matrix, or UBI

[long solar]

Ubi is dumb imo

[rocky needle]

Actually making buildings?

[smoky quest]

why would that be out of reach of an AI who is smart enough to do any CS job?

[rocky needle]

Cs jobs can be made in an ai's feild of vision if you know what i mean, a curcuit, a computer etc, more software ish, but even if ai gets to that point of creativity i don't think it'll be efficient enough to actually compute every single brick and structure all at once and every single accident that'll happen then willbe more expensive to fix in a complex robot than getting humans to do the job

[digital fjord]

I mean, the second automation has to interact with reality, it gets categorically more expensive, and needs maintenance much more regularly.

[rocky needle]

What i just said

[smoky quest]

what would make it computally too expensive?

[rocky needle]

Fixing the robots themselves would drive the costs up

[digital fjord]

The software is not the issue, the issue is just deploying fleets of robots at scale - tho there are some good results e.g. amazon gets.

[smoky quest]

why not using other robots?

plus you can also use the cheap approach like drones where you don't care if they die

[rocky needle]

Don't you think those would need maintainence?

[smoky quest]

robots cannot maintenance?

[rocky needle]

Yes indeed, drones can build the burj khalifa

[smoky quest]

indeed. Nothing prevents that. or something better

[rocky needle]

Dude you're just yapping beyond sense at this point

[digital fjord]

Fully autonomous supply chains is a very different level of improbable than AI replacing all programming forever.

[smoky quest]

not my fault you don't have the skills to keep up

but no point in this discussion if your arguments are limited to insulting people

[digital fjord]

the new advances in AI don't matter too much for industrial automation, the biggest bottlenecks are more to the tune of vendor lock-in, lack of standardisation, and huge up-front costs.

[rocky needle]

Keep up? Dude this isn't a competition how old are you? You're just saying yes ands and I've been responding even if you don't make sense, in 20 mins you said cheap drones can build the tallest human built structure ever,and that every single manual engineering hardware input made by humans can get replaced by cheaply made robots embedded with ai

[rocky needle]

Exactly, even if in theory as a thought it'd be better, the cost to keep it running would be extremely high and even then it'd be inefficient compared to human in terms of complexity

[digital fjord]

I mean, plenty of advances are made regardless, it is by no means doomed, 3d printed houses are becoming vaguely real, for example.

but it is a categorically harder problem than anything software-adjecent

[rocky needle]

Yes but can you 3d print a 3d printer? And tons of materials can't be used there

[digital fjord]

there's no reason you couldn't, but at some point it does become easier to just have a human do it. But that is just a question of advancement, which is in fact actively ongoing. But nowhere near to the level of advances in software (which I also don't believe will be replacing programming in the next decades).

[rocky needle]

The replacing of cse itself is what i was asking, going to study engineering even though it's competitive or studying cs instead and getting a degree there, but the whoe advancement in ai coding thing idk what it'll look like in 5 years when i get a degree

[long solar]

The most future proof job seems to be construction worker. So maybe studying that is ideal

[smoky quest]

or owning the means of productions that use AI

[long solar]

Yeah or that

[digital fjord]

There's a ton of programs not made due to labour constraints, so I'd expect that if AI makes programming less expensive, it'll just result in more programming done more so than dropping programmer demand.

[smoky quest]

owning land might be a good bet too

[rocky needle]

But what i was thinking about is, going to engineering, electrical major which is related to cs in ways and gives me hardware job options in renewable energy and such, and self studying cs on the side which opens up jobs to both worlds. How about that?

[digital fjord]

if you want to study engineering, you can do that

nothing wrong with that, and if it gives you more comfort regarding the future, it is a good pick.

[rocky needle]

But is what i just said the best of both worlds or is there something better

Cause electrical engineering does give perks when it comes to cs related jobs i believe

[smoky quest]

not really

Generally speaking, it's like a distance function with the target role. The best is for roles that would combine both

[rocky needle]

Even if i don't have a cs degree I'd have an ee degree and a couple of languages under my built with courses

[digital fjord]

You may want to look at something like HDL developer or embedded developer

that's generally the programming EE positions

[smoky quest]

any job receives thousands of applications, most of which from people with CS degrees, awesome projects and great relevant internships. You would need far more to stand out in the top 20

[rocky needle]

I'll definitely look into it, thanks

Now does anybody know anything about indefinite integrations?

[smoky quest]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[smoky quest]

Or one of the help thread.

[muted bridge]

Should I consider a career prep fellowship for Spring '25? I expect to be very busy; I'll be taking the max permissible courses (6), will be a club leader for 2 orgs, and I have a school internship starting January. At the same time, interview prep is one of my weakest areas, and I'd like to be held accountable for it.

I can always back out if I can't handle it.

[long nebula]

I think YES

[old moth]

you'll be able to do if-statements with unstructured data, thats realistically the only change

which in its self, is pretty cool. finally if is_cat(png) will work

[modest schooner]

So if I code in binary

[old moth]

binary is structured

programming will still be the point of interface, its unlikely that we'll magically come up with another interface

[indigo timber]

hi @low dome

[low dome]

hi

[tawdry quarry]

Will ai take our jobs as programmers?

[lapis wind]

No

[near ocean]

It will for some people, just be better than that
No pressure

[tawdry quarry]

Actually

i dont think it will because people need to understand the languages and their logic first because they wont even be able to understand where its going wrong etc maybe in like 20 years ai will become advanced and be able to program anything but then again if you can code your own ai you can profit from it

[dreamy holly]

20 years? better say 6yrs

[tawdry quarry]

ngl for me its ok because i do game development so theres a wide range of jobs i can do

[tawdry quarry]

why not

[dreamy holly]

So, question is that, I worked a different job. I took 1 yrs gap to prepare for coding job. Now iam in a huge "?". MAny companies are specific saying python application development in job description. but still many says backend developer. My question is does python developers know only python oops programming only?

But backend dev includ python, sql, rest, git, docker, everythin in back. right?

so, does the backend devs paid more?

[lapis wind]

I wouldn't put yourself in a single language niche like "I only do python or tech X"

SQL, git, docker things like that are just absolute requirements for 99% of jobs in tech and somewhat the bare minimum

[lapis wind]

A) companies and upper management seems to never actually know what they want, half of the job is establishing those details.
B) a lot of problems are more involved and require domain knowledge.

Also it absolutely is possible for AI to replace your job if all you're doing is writing randomly scripts of generic blocks which could just be copied from SO or the likes.
Otherwise, you're probably pretty safe

As an extra note/disclaimer, companies do absolutely buy into the hype these ai companies sell but it ends up going in cycles just like outsourcing does

[near ocean]

"if you can code your own ai" is a wild statement
Not everyone is keeping up with tech, not everyone is doing hard work
Some people just do "change x css thing" or "implement x wordpress plugin" type of work and that could easily be handled by current AI

Also theres no "coding your own ai" the sooner people get it out of their head the better for their career

[tidal void]

Guys

can you come in? will you do me a favor?

[harsh river]

[tawdry quarry]

what if i have already coded my own ai at the age of 15 lol

[peak halo]

There are "AIs" that are trivial to implement.

[near ocean]

when people say AI in this channel they mean the type of AI that anthropic and openai are working on, like claude, gpt, watson
you did not and cannot code up something like that by yourself at any age

[tawdry quarry]

how would u know if i did or did not

[harsh river]

becuase it's taken decades to get to the point where we are today.

[tawdry quarry]

🤣

[near ocean]

self awareness is the biggest asset a person can have, in any career

[fringe sphinx]

In business world, everything is AI. Added a linear regression into a spreadsheet? That's AI(tm). /hj

[lost sage]

would these all be correctly called LLM?

[harsh river]

yes.

[lost sage]

synecdoche

[exotic horizon]

India, a land of unparalleled beauty, weaves together a tapestry of landscapes, cultures, and history.

sar do you know about the Jeet AI

best AI in the vwool world

[rugged axle]

What up with that name ?

[tawdry quarry]

Lol

[vapid jay]

does someone know how to login with cookies i would pay

[white relic]

Offering paid work is against server rules.
If this is the same thing you asked about in general the other day, note that circumventing Google's authentication is also out of scope for this server.
Moreover, this channel is for career discussion.

[open ivy]

After several discussions I think that I will not focus my job search effort to DevOps jobs. I am just much better at physics simulation algorithms, or even simulation in general. The way I think is to take things apart, analyze the pieces, and put it all together again. DevOps is a bit "black boxy" for my taste.

[odd ermine]

Guys is being an AI DEVELOPER AND MACHINE LEARING a good career?

With python?

[pine sleet]

yeah

[odd ermine]

Ok

[unkempt coral]

# I am looking for a partner to collaborate and earn!

[harsh river]

pls no markdown

[proper saffron]

I know its not right channel to talk about it but I really need help using PYTHON for some kind of tasks. It's really going hard everytime, kinda need to use maths in some spaces and I don't understand at all. Where can I find help ? Someome pls recommend me

[rugged plume]

#python-discussion is probly a better chat to talk about task automation than this one

[hollow nacelle]

@pine sleet, question about the thing you just close, if he uses https://www.xml-sitemaps.com/, it should be legal right because it only give the map that the website disclosed intentionally

[pine sleet]

this is not the channel for moderation concerns, please use @severe widget

[hollow nacelle]

it was not really moderation related but legally related

[pine sleet]

this is not the proper channel for this

[hollow nacelle]

my bad then i thong world of work was suiting this

[hearty island]

hello hello everyone, another day another grind 🙂

[woven crest]

hello everyone i am a 9th grade with aspirations to be a developer

so if u had to start over wht whould u do

[peak halo]

you should do well in school and especially in math courses so that you can get into a computer science degree program at a university. that needs to be your top priority. if you have any remaining time, you can practice programming if you want.

[woven crest]

thx for the advice

[analog sun]

Hello, your message was removed for being off topic and violating rule 9

[old moth]

go through the hoops, get through school, its the easiest and fastest way in. Program on the side, learn search algorithms, learn alot of search algorithms, you won't know how useful they are yet, but having them in your backpocket makes a land slide of a difference when you need them

[true harness]

why are search algorithms particularly important over...any other algorithm?

[old moth]

they're kind of the basis for how all the performance enhancing stuff works

ofc theres tons of hard problems that need dsa, but they're very niche at times, search algo tend to be little bit more common use

[true harness]

"performance enhancing stuff" like what?

[old moth]

like reducing o(n)

[still quarry]

Hmm anyone where who knows ML and tell me a good roadmap??

[old moth]

not really a road map, but kmeans is good pointer in that direction

[still quarry]

ok

[true harness]

why are search algorithms relevant there?

[old moth]

bc they reduce o(n)

[true harness]

don't other algorithms also do that? compared to naive approaches?

[old moth]

what algorithm *do you have in mind

[true harness]

any?

[old moth]

usually they give O(n) as part of its description

doesn't necessarily mean we're trying to reduce of O(n) yet tho

a way forward might exist as o(n), but if we're looking to optimize, then we can use search algorithms to help reduce it to o(log n)

[true harness]

there is no reason to focus on search algorithms whatsoever. they are not really special in the way you are describing

[old moth]

they are, in such they are the reducers

and it gets you start thinking in terms of actual cs

you can program all day and not know a lick of cs, and thats fine -- you can get very far without it

but there is a point where it is almost necessary

[white relic]

you're not making a lot of sense.
Are you saying that search algorithms are more well-studied in CS than other kinds of algorithms?

[true harness]

i mean, this is true for literally any algorithm compared to brute force. you can solve, e.g., coin changing with exponential time, or you can use dp and solve it in polynomial time

[old moth]

no, not what i'm saying

feel free to read it over though

it kind of feels like brute force spending more time on this than necessary though

[true harness]

so far, you've just said that search algorithms can help reduce the time complexity of your code. which is true, but it's not unique to search algorithms

[old moth]

well if you have a particular one in mind, i'd be happy to contend further

[true harness]

a particular algorithm? i gave an example here: #career-advice message

[old moth]

have you spent alot of time writing algorithms?

perhaps you're expert, and i am just simple minded

[true harness]

it doesn't matter

[white relic]

let's not get distracted.
if you're not trying to explain what point you were trying to make about search algorithms, let's drop it.
it's barely career related anyway

[old moth]

i am curious though, he may know something i dont

[true harness]

ask in #algos-and-data-structs

[old moth]

i await your answer

[open ivy]

"Guys is being an AI DEVELOPER AND MACHINE LEARING a good career?"

Remember that most of the person-hours of making most AI is in training it. I assume you don't want to spend your hours hand-labeling thousands of videos. So you are asking for an upper pyramid job, a job where you get to work on the fun stuff (programming and algorithms) while the majority of people (the trainers) are below you. How good are you at climbing pyramids?

There are other parts of computer programming that need much less climbing the pyramid. Such as core algorithm design in, say, physics simulation or networking optimization. Doing so requires a deep understanding and insight of the problem domain which itself is hard to be replaced by AI. Also, it does not require an army low design-to-do-ratio workers to support it.

[analog sun]

Your message has been removed

[odd ermine]

I'll take your point in concern thank you!

[open ivy]

I am also avoiding AI because everyone is talking about it. Supply and demand. Lots of people want to do it. That makes it harder to do.

My main advantage in the job search is not getting a job. But there is a technical and social advantage I do have:

• Social: I have proven myself able to absorb much more anger than I dish out. "The buck stops here" and the cycle breaks.
• Technical: I am working on several ideas that people struggle to even understand. This does not mean I am smarter. It just means that I am different enough to be relatively safe from AI replacement. Currently I am working on a physics simulation project using a flat configuration space.

[true harness]

a lot of machine learning is the problem of deploying models, not necessarily designing and creating models

[sage relic]

guys for like getting into companies like Meta, Waymo, Databricks, Palantir, Stripe, Pinterest, Google, Citadel, Tesla, Nvidia, Figure, or Uber, what level of coding skills and problem-solving skills are required? I’m sure they won’t be directly asking me a LeetCode problem. Instead, they would likely give me a problem statement, ask me to derive the problem from it, and then ask about my approach. for example, whether I should use a HashMap, Binary Search, or another solving pattern.
Currently, with the level of my coding skills, I think I’m just able to solve easy problems like linked lists, two-sum, merge of two arrays, etc. In october, my total number of days practicing LeetCode was 6, and in november, it was 7. So, in two months, I practiced DSA for only 13 days.

[open ivy]

People really want to go to these! Are you sure you want to operate in such a saturated market?

I would say that you should be proficient at LeetCode, but that is secondary. Make sure you have solid experience in architecting complex projects and also know a few people from these companies in your network to have a decent chance.

[vapid jay]

what role? what country?
Last I heard, Uber tends to ask a bit difficult things for entry level role. Purely anecdotal though

[sage relic]

for software engineering roles

[fringe sphinx]

The tech industry is massive. But, in general, highly selective jobs start by filtering people with the top credentials. I'd argue this is true for any field and any 'top' (highly desirable) company. Then, these companies are known to use OAs (often Leetcode style questions) to identify the top problem solvers, with the idea that skills can be taught.

The point I want to make here is: by focusing on the 'elite' companies, you may be hurting your career development in other ways. Maybe you have a shot, or maybe you don't, but consider whether you'd be better server by aiming at the other 99% of the job market.

(It may also be a good idea, so don't let me talk you out of it)

[deft herald]

Do you have a degree?

[sage relic]

yes in Electronics & Communication engineering. I'm currently in my final year

[fringe sphinx]

This is the case where grinding out some leetcode/hackerrank makes sense (I hate recommending it, but it's good interview prep$

But there's no answer to 'what level is required'. It's sort of: do your best. Some ppl are really good at these styles of puzzles and others aren't.

[deft herald]

Cool. You might want to look at a company that specialies in that kind of stuff too. Qualcomm, Broadcom, Ericsson, Nokia, ZTE, Samsung, Keysight, etc. (this is actually the industry i'm in)

Yeah, and as for the interview experience...it doesn't even vary by company but rather by individual interviewers within each company

[open ivy]

And the most important "credential" is industry experience. Afterall, the best way to get good in industry is to be in industry.

I am in a very different scenario. I am at the margins of computer programming, and am interested in topics that have a much smaller amount of people talking about them. How many people do you know working on physics simulation algorithms (my side project)?

My weakness is that I get rejected in the "cocktail party" setting. People want to talk about AI and social apps these days. Not about how to improve a simulation method or build a metaprogramming optimization compiler system.

My strength is that AI has less training data for what I am doing. Makes it harder to be replaced by AI.

[odd ermine]

So a better career would be in something else since AI is trending nowadays and it seems like a very low chance of making it that far in AI also what do u think about game development?

[deft herald]

everything i hear about that industry is that it's toxic af

[open ivy]

It's hard to be sure that AI is bad for you in particular. If you are good at being socially popular than following the trend is the place where the attention is currently and you can grab that attention with your social skills.

But I am very much not in that situation. I have a long history of reaching out to others much more than they reach out to me and making friends with people on the margins.

[open ivy]

I am good at setting boundaries so that I do not get overworked. It actually increases my long-term producitity to do so.

[deft herald]

that's a good skill to have

[odd ermine]

Honestly I'm also not great in being social except some close friends and like what do you think about game development?

[open ivy]

I estimate that people got mad at me (and presumably each-other) about 5 times how much I got mad at others. Breaking the cycle. Put enough of this phenotype into a group and the anger in the group will die out.

But toxic environments are also less of:

• Discussing ideas.
• Being willing to help when you get stuck.
• Having a friend to go hiking with etc.

[open ivy]

I am personally using game dev to network.

Build technical skills. Build social skills. Find fun activities. All three are important for well being and jobs.

Note that applying for jobs on a massive scale is none of these three. So don't do too much of this, be selective.

Side projects build technical skills and are fun if you choose the topic.
Networking builds social skills and is fun for many people.

Why is game dev good for networking?
Because games are fun! Fun to play, fun to watch, fun to develop as side projects on your own time. Its a great conversation starter. Games come alive.
Also, games are cutting edge in many ways. The UI, the algorithm and optimizations, and the art of a well-built game are top notch.

Be open to work a technical job when it comes, even if it is not your choice of field.

If gamedev is a bad place to find jobs, most gamedev hobbyists will have to have day jobs in other areas. Be willing to go to these other jobs. Having a job that allows problem solving and is tech related but is not in your passionate area does have an upside: it keeps your hobbies fun to do.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't worry about specialization. Be a good generalist first. Do a little of everything. https://youtu.be/c6rP-YP4c5I?feature=shared

[odd ermine]

thank you guys.

[slender knot]

Suggest some good courses in AI and ML

I am at intermediate lvl of data analysis

[dapper plover]

I am looking for new job,but I have not any job
this is my resume.
please check

[smoky quest]

Hi!
We don't allow recruiting

[smoky quest]

TL;DR: too much yapping

Your bullets are all written in the style of "Integrated complex backend systems to enable seamless communication and data exchange with advanced AI technologies, enhancing overall system efficiency and enabling sophisticated data-driven insights".
This would not surprise me if this came from a markov chain generator and as a reader it sounds like bullshit.

So instead, look up the STAR method and the show, don't tell. People don't think superman is strong because he keeps yelling he is strong. People think superman is strong because they see him lifting cars with one hand.
Similarly, you should show how your system is complex and scalable and how you made it seamless.

For instance, talk about the architecture, the number of request/s you made it able to handle, and how/why you had a key role.

You can also add examples of difficult initiatives to prove your point

Oh and one last advice: with 5 years of experience, it would make sense to move your professional experience above your education

[deft herald]

To me, that could very well just be "Installed github copilot"

[dreamy spade]

How many years should one stay in a company so they don’t look like a company hopper?

[near ocean]

You move when you find a better opportunity

[smoky quest]

Rule of thumb is ~2 years.
But a one time is fine. Think about it like this:

• If someone has an issue with a job and leaves quickly, they may be right
• If someone can't keep a job, the problem is with them

[dreamy spade]

What does the “~” mean?

[uneven ledge]

Do you guys think the avg python dev does the same amount of math as a Java dev, or it depends?

[smoky quest]

around

[smoky quest]

languages are tools. You can do the same amount of math regardless of the language

[dreamy spade]

All right. Several to 5 months to go then. Give or take

[uneven ledge]

Why is python more used for data science and ai?

[fringe sphinx]

Complicated question. Maybe ask in #python-discussion , not really careers related, and I'm not sure there's a simple answer.

[deft herald]

continued the discussion here: #python-discussion message

[visual swift]

I am sure this has been discussed, but I am planning to go to school in January for computer science. (community college). I have been looking around for a good laptop, my maximum price range is only like 600-700 dollars though. I keep seeing people online call laptops budget laptops and say "completely reasonably priced" then I click the link and its 1500 dollars on sale. I just need something to get me through like 4 years of school that can handle programming and has the battery life for being used at school.

to make a long story short the TL;DR: is that I am wondering what sort of laptop people recommend for going to school for computer programming / computer science.

[deft herald]

Bought one of these for my wife and it's great. Would totally use it for CS

https://a.co/d/76hJYDi

[peak halo]

prioritize battery life and your ability to lug it around campus. even though getting a computer science degree involves writing code, it doesn't involve writing demanding code that has to execute on your laptop.

[deft herald]

I like my personal electronics how I like my cars: used and paid for outright in cash

[next plover]

cars yes... i dont like used electronics though... icky

[slender quartz]

Here's a potentially odd question: How much do employers care about their employees' feelings about this or that language? I once had an interviewer ask me what I thought of the language the company was using. He hinted that he hated it. On another occasion I asked someone what they thought of Java vs C#. He said he just couldn't make himself write it, and preferred the other. (I can't remember which was which.) How aware are employers about these kinds of "feelings," and how do they think/plan/strategize around them?

Also, is there a server/channel where people talk about this?

[rugged plume]

Interesting question. I wonder if it's being asked to see how people would think about a company employing another language/technology to see how apprehensive they would be to it.

[slender quartz]

Well, I'm also thinking about this in the general context, not just in the context of companies. Is there any discussion about why people come to have these preferences, how rational/irrational they are, etc?

[deft herald]

Depends on the size of company and size of relevant code base. My gut would say they couldn't care less about how you feel, only about your abilities

[slender quartz]

Another question, which I suspect is indirectly connected to the first: how typical is it for a startup to hope or plan, more or less from the get-go, that they'll get bought out? Apologies if this isn't the right channel, and please let me know if there's a better one for this sort of question.

[smoky quest]

you don't plan from the get go to get bought out

[slender quartz]

So how come so many of them do get bought out, and are so happy about it?

Actually, strike that. I don't have the statistics.

[smoky quest]

Super simple. Either:

• They get offered more than they could have obtained otherwise
• It's a better deal than the alternative (ex: shutting down)

Plus sprinkle a bit of projection of success and not biting the hand that feeds you

[smoky quest]

also note that in terms of statistics, most business will fail.
So any other outcome is a good outcome

[fringe sphinx]

A startup should plan and optimize for potential exits (acquisition, ipo, etc). Returning money to the VCs is the main goal of the board. But, most acquisitions occur because the company failed to reach orbit (ie; fire sale)

[vapid violet]

Just make sure you check your schools website to see what specs they recommend. I think my school also said that Mac was not allowed for engineering degrees.

[pine sleet]

i dont think its common to outright disallow but they'll just say like we won't be able to support so you're on your own if you have issues

[vapid violet]

I think it is because some of the programs they use are not supported on Mac

[white relic]

I ask questions like this regularly. It isn't because I want to judge them by their opinions but because I want to probe whether they have actually used the tools and formulated opinions, or if they are just reflecting back at me what they think I want to hear.

Someone who has extensively used Python will have specific pet peeves even if Python is their favorite language overall.

[deft herald]

That's actually really good advice for potential interviewers. "What do you hate about <whatever tech is a hard requirement for this job>?"

[gilded wedge]

not as a python developer but in general, how do you guys remember syntax and some fundamental methods? like i gave an interview in some company and they were asking me syntax like how do we merge to dict and some sql queries, which i couldn't recall as i never remembered them, i often google such stuff which is easy to find

[grave solstice]

Repetition / experience. You’ll remember it after googling it for the fifth time

[gilded wedge]

i think yes, maybe i can't remember things in the interview because i was not in practice as I was working with a different tech stack, thankyou

[vapid jay]

hii

[visual swift]

Thats a food perspective I hadn't thought of really

[grave solstice]

The ‘ol reliable is something like a lenovo thinkpad. Not sure if its best bang for the buck though

[viscid tusk]

AT‐WILL EMPLOYMENT
The relationship between you and the WORKPLACE is referred to as "employment at will." This
means that your employment can be terminated at any time for any reason, with or without cause, with
or without notice, by you or the WORKPLACE. No representative of WORKPLACE has
authority to enter into any agreement contrary to the foregoing "employment at will" relationship. You
understand that your employment is "at will," and that you acknowledge that no oral or written
statements or representations regarding your employment can alter your at‐will employment status,
except for a written statement signed by you and the WORKPLACE owner.

is this weird ? or ok 👍

[pine sleet]

pretty sure this is the standard in the US

[viscid tusk]

doesn’t that mean they can just say “we dont need you any more”

[pine sleet]

yeah

[viscid tusk]

Isn’t that scary

[pine sleet]

yeah

[viscid tusk]

[pine sleet]

being a good employee will reduce your chances of getting let go but like if it happens it happens

that's why you want to always be tracking what achievements you've got and working on your resume, staying up to date on the market just in case

[smoky quest]

it also goes both ways

[viscid tusk]

Would they really fire me for no reason though if I’m good worker ?

[pine sleet]

they probably wont. but if business isnt looking too good then yeah

[viscid tusk]

They said i would be replacing someone

does that mean they quit or was fired and murdered

[pine sleet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow ocean]

would it be crazy to try to make a llm alone? I am relatively new to python and i don’t really know what im getting myself into is it too hard for one person?

[pine sleet]

depends on the scale

[mellow ocean]

i want to make one that helps people get comfortable when they are stressed

[smoky quest]

yeah that's crazy. It means you are missing knowledge on python, ml and llm.

[mellow ocean]

i am currently in a python course

And i need a final project.

[smoky quest]

indeed

[mellow ocean]

would it be too hard to do for a final project

[smoky quest]

nothing you said changed my answer

[mellow ocean]

ooo okay😢

[smoky quest]

you have plenty of time to get there

just not enough for a final project

[buoyant stone]

Heyy everyone✌️

I’m looking for competent individuals who are 18+ and eager to grow personally while building something alongside their current job. It doesn’t matter if you’re male or female – everyone is welcome!

If you're interested, feel free to send a request.

[buoyant seal]

!rule 6 9 , advertisement of stuff u do should be following professional conduct of developers for properly presenting stuff
otherwise it is just an advertisement which is against current server rules. So better delete your msg.

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[hearty island]

ay, i found someone at my firm who came from my undergrad school

[true arch]

hello anyone going for gsoc 25....?

i need a bit of help

[hallow nest]

anybody requiring a freelance django and flask developer ...

[grave solstice]

!rule 9 beware

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[buoyant stone]

Because a lot of people think that this stuff is only for man but thats not true we have a lot of woman

???

Bro I said that everyone is welcome?

[buoyant stone]

Sry, how should i done it ?

Tf brooo can you not read I said we have a lot of woman and everyone is welcome ????

[amber wadi]

I am working on a Django which is Connected with MSSQL and I need some help with this. Is their is anyone who can help me ? 🙏

[peak halo]

see #❓｜how-to-get-help. be sure to read the whole thing.

[buoyant seal]

usually there are two choices

The most acceptable one, present your own stuff as Git remote repository documented in Readme https://github.com/a-h/templ + Optionally external documentation on top https://templ.guide/
Like this site.
Depending on how you present, it can be viewed acceptablish.

Alternative choice can be just having only the landing web site advertising the stuff you are building usually acceptable if it is only blog web site or smth.

For prorietary products it will be usually against the rules too though, unless they are somehow fitting channel description.
If u will be abusing people's trust, then choices above will not work too.

TLDR: Anything of commercial clearly nature will be seen as violenting the rules. As well as anything that takes advantage of people in general. (People wish to avoid being hamsters in other people experiments and sales goals basically)
And any advertisement will be suspected as being a bad one like this stuff above unless proven otherwise.
Anything that is actually fitting channel topic, or just indeed promoting some healthy open source stuff, could be seen acceptable under some circumstances.

[buoyant stone]

Okay, thank you 👍

[faint depot]

Got rejected again to a Rolls Royce apprenticeship (higher, not degree apprenticeship). Asked for feedback. Hopefully, its useful enough to use for next year. Edit: got an email back saying theyre not able to release feedback. Fml

[alpine patrol]

Is it worth including an ML project on my resume when im tryna apply for MS in CS

[true harness]

i don't understand what you mean by "worth"

[alpine patrol]

As in will it have any weight

Am i like better of putting something else in its place

[true harness]

both could be true. it depends what else you have, and what you want to demonstrate

[alpine patrol]

I have an algo visualizer website thing and im planning to work on an app for the playstore

[true harness]

do you want to do ML in your masters? you should probably demonstrate ML skills if so

[alpine patrol]

No i would like to do it in CS

[true harness]

what specifically in CS though

[alpine patrol]

I mean I would like to do my masters in cs

[digital fjord]

it is rather common to specialise when doing a masters

[alpine patrol]

Could u list a few examples

[digital fjord]

!cban @restive monolith nsfw

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @restive monolith permanently.

[true harness]

is that a sheep 🗿

[true harness]

are you a CS undergrad currently? there are a bunch of different areas that are usually offered: systems, theory, ML, etc

[digital fjord]

at my school we have

• networking
• formal verification
• mathematical methods
• AI and machine learning
• supercomputing
• NLP
• audio processing
• databases
  and such

[analog sun]

!cban 933113537893642270

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @lethal ledge permanently.

[slender quartz]

probably mean "formal" rather than "format", right?

[alpine patrol]

Thabk u ill look into it

[digital fjord]

yea

[true harness]

are you currently in undergrad? if so, what year?

[digital fjord]

ideally by the time you get a bachelors degree you know what part of CS you want to do and whether a masters degree is helpful for that goal.

[true harness]

as long as you have a specific reason and end goal for getting a masters, you'll be ahead of a lot of applicants. many people are applying to masters because they can't find a job as a last resort

[analog sun]

@true harness @alpine patrol just fyi I deleted a few of your messages while cleaning up the channel

[alpine patrol]

Np all good

What would be the difference in salary and job oppurtunity if i chose MS in software enginnering over MS in CS

[peak halo]

there are jobs that effectively require an MS. If you're not looking for one of those jobs, an MS probably isn't a great investment. You'll have low or negative income during 2+ years that you could have been earning.

From my job hunt, it seemed that for positions that don't require an MS, the time you spent earning the MS is treated as years of experience.

[alpine patrol]

But i dont have a degree from the us

So hows that all gonna go

[alpine patrol]

Btw is this the same as concentration?

[digital fjord]

that term is not used in this context in english, what's the term in the original language?

[alpine patrol]

Some guy in vc told me to pick my concentration, idk what he meant by it originally

[true harness]

we do have the idea of concentration, at least in the US. it's just a focus/specialization

[digital fjord]

hm, I googled wrong somehow, my bad

[rugged axle]

How is this lookin open source contributions Hey folks what do yall think ?

[earnest mason]

Nice

[rugged axle]

See I told you I was the choosen one

[open ivy]

I never got how work can leave people exhausted. My optimum point for long-term performance is to leave energy for other things. Marathon runners also know to pace themselves. If work leaves me with nothing than I am not getting as much done.

I wonder if it is more the environment rather than the workload? If we were all encouraged to put a little time and energy into a side-project each day, at a sustainable rate, then the same day-job workload would *feel *more manageable. If we didn't have all this doomscrolling available, then we would have more time to ourselves.

So maybe changing the environment is a good way to reduce how much work feels overwhelming?

[smoky quest]

what's the difference between projects and Open Source Contributions?

As a reader, the latter would imply your contributions were integrated in already well known OSS projects, but that doesn't appear to be the case

[smoky quest]

Have you ever had to work where the stakes were high? Where you had to sprint rather than run a marathon?

[open ivy]

During a sprint I must put everything to the sprint itself. But for weeks which aren't sprints (as in not more stressful than the previous week) I need to not exhaust myself.

[smoky quest]

So you are saying that if you are working in a slower environment, in a slow pace and do not push yourself, then there is less reason to feel exhausted? Sure

[open ivy]

I am going for peak long-term performance. Which means pushing myself a moderate amount, but not pushing so hard that I am feeling exhausted.

Why should I exhaust myself only to end up doing less overall work long term?

[smoky quest]

Yeah, for long term performance, you want to push yourself without going over the line

[smoky quest]

Is this rhetorical?

[open ivy]

I wish. Sadly, too many people crank the workload up to maximum and end up falling into this trap and lose performance.

They end up wasting so much time on their phones but then don't have two minutes to chat it is almost comical.

[rugged axle]

Yeah that is true

[open ivy]

I found that, at optimal day-job performance and at good time management, I have energy for about 1/3 of a job's worth of side-projects as long as the side projects are different enough from the job. 1/6-1/4 is more realistic given my non-perfect time management skills. Cloud vs offline gamedev qualifies as "different enough".

As well as physically demanding mentally-relaxing tasks such as hiking, I have time for these as they don't take mental energy.

[smoky quest]

There are plenty of reasons why one would do such thing

[open ivy]

Yes, it takes abundant metacognition and self-awareness to fight this trap.

A LOT of work was put into making the algorithm so good at hooking people in. A long time ago social media (MySpace, Facebook) was chronological and from friends only. Doomscrolling feels like an information assault, it does not relax me the way other recreational time does. Who knew that simply rearranging the order of the feed was so powerful?

And there are also lots of other life stresses that consume energy but don't have to (because much energy is spent thinking about possibilities rather than making meaningful plans). Medical is common as most people have family members who are dealing with pretty serious issues. But the rate of decision making is low enough that the time-averaged mental energy need not be that high as long as people know how to set the problems aside.

Within the field of programming I had to learn not to plan for every eventuality that I thought of, and focus more on building code that is easy to expand when the need comes rather than the perfect abstraction out of the gate. This also cuts back on cognitive load.

But I 100% agree that doing all of this isn't easy. It is a slow mental process.

[smoky quest]

you also might not have the choice

[open ivy]

You mean a surprise task comes up that demands a week of overclocking?

[smoky quest]

That's one of them

[open ivy]

I accept that a rare surprise task can come up and wipe out a week or so every few months. Or a day or so every couple of weeks. Thankfully that is rare.

I know it is rare because if these kinds of work emergencies weren't rare, they would not be surprising and I would just use the "non-overclock setting" to deal with them.

[smoky quest]

Yeah, it's a self regulating problem that goes both ways

That means either someone is getting let go, the project/company flounder and close up shop, or lack of promo/positive reviews

[outer fern]

where do i get help

[smoky quest]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[open ivy]

I think the fear exceeds the actual risk. People worry about losing a job and being thrown on the street, etc. Although the worst case scenario is indeed very bad, it's the less dramatic stuff that gets most of us:

• Nervous eating can ruin health.
• Not having time to relax can ruin health.
• Not having time to make friends can ruin health AND hurt future job search networks.
• Burnout can ruin mental health AND work performance job.
• Never having time for side-projects can create "mid-life crises" depression and limit the chance to learn.

I remind myself just how important health is, it is at least as important than a source of income.

Knowing what in work is an emergency (as in much more important than the baseline average) is valuable, it means we know when to over-clock and when to relax a bit. The week after an essential tech worker leaves is such an emergency.

[fringe sphinx]

We all go through different moments in our lives with different priorities, tolerances, and interests. I've been fortunate to be able to obsess over my work yet maintain a healthy work/life balance. Some days/weeks might be more demanding, but I'm never in a constant 'crunch mode'

[open ivy]

Yes

[feral stone]

Guys

What exactly does a content application engineer do?

What’s a good salary for this position?

[white relic]

That to a large extent depends on the company; there are no universal standards for what a job title means.

"Application engineer" in my experience usually means someone who knows some particular line of products and works with customers to meet the customers' needs using their company's product.

I'm not sure what adding "content" would mean.

[feral stone]

I understand, but it wouldn’t really fall under software engineering would it?

[smoky quest]

would you be engineering software?

[feral stone]

Yes

[smoky quest]

in terms of career, the main thing is if you are writing code and the distance function between the problems you are solving now with the problems you would be solving in your ideal role

[white relic]

Application engineer is a job title that says something about your role within a company. Software engineer is a descriptor that says something about what kind of work you do and what expertise you have. There is certainly overlap.

[true arch]

hello guys, i want to get into contibution field and do some bounty hunts can you suggest how can i do that in python

[peak halo]

The people who do bounty hunts are typically very experienced professionals. You should look into open source projects on GitHub

[true arch]

can you help me on how should i get into it...as i am not able to find python related open source....or it will reallly be a big help if you could suggest me some

[peak halo]

There are lots of open source projects on GitHub that are entirely or largely in Python

[true arch]

i am pretty new and i don't have any clue

[harsh river]

you should get as familiar as possible with the basics of python first then, after that you can worry about bounties and such

[peak halo]

GitHub has a search tool

[true arch]

i have been doing python for 10 months i do a lot of dsa

i am just not familier with github and open source

[peak halo]

https://github.com/search

[pine sleet]

you should try to contribute to a project you actally use

[rugged plume]

Many people do bug bounties already so you'd likely need to be more of a seasoned professional with multiple years of job experience before diving into that.

Start making some code, upload on Github, find an open source project you'd like to contribute to like Robin suggested

[true arch]

ok...and should i go for gsoc 2025

[smoky quest]

Definitely! That's a great experience!

[true arch]

ok and one more thing should i go for old orgs go for new ones

[smoky quest]

doesn't matter

[true arch]

like is it not good to get selected in some new org then not being selected in old one

[smoky quest]

What would make it good or not good?

[true arch]

like i am a second year rn...so wouln't it make me look good if after this year i apply for internships

[smoky quest]

why not?

[true arch]

soo thats the reason i wanna get hooked into open source contribution as i am mainting a 9+ cgpa in my uni soo i need more real work exprience

[smoky quest]

and how does it relate to:

like is it not good to get selected in some new org then not being selected in old one

and

like i am a second year rn...so wouln't it make me look good if after this year i apply for internships
?

[true arch]

like is it not pretty hard to get into old orgs like django, cad blender.....as they will have pretty seasoned coders....and the new orgs will be have a intermediate level....so getting a selection in them would be easier to being with

[smoky quest]

There is no relationship between the age of the organization and the experience of the engineers behind that

though there might be a relationship with their experience in hosting gsoc

What matters is what project you will do, not the name nor the age of the org where you do it

[true arch]

ok i see

[muted bridge]

Look into Google Summer of Code (if 18+) if you’re looking to do some open source dev

ofc you don’t need a paid program to do open source but it’s nice to be held accountable

[true arch]

if i don't get selected does it still do me any benifit....like can i add it up somewhere

[feral stone]

Thanks for the explaination, I wanted to ask because i was recently named full-time Content Application Engineer at my work just shy of turning 20 years old. Im still in school but i never really understood what my job title meant

My company is based around content/data for the automotive industry and my department is called "Content Engineering" so i assume thats where the content portion comes from

[muted bridge]

to be a competitive GSoC applicant you typically have to contribute to the orgs you’re interested in. Even if you don’t get in, you can list whatever contributions you like in your projects section

[alpine patrol]

Should i be intent on what job role id like to take on in the future before i even apply for a masters degree in a university

[smoky quest]

that would certainly help

[true harness]

yes

[vapid jay]

Can anyone tell, can I earn a little or more than little after learning intermediate python

If yes then tell me that way too

[rugged plume]

The most surefire way is to get a job as a developer. Look at job postings in your area for a Junior developer to see what they want people to know. Usually it'll be more than just python

[vapid jay]

Hmm

[alpine patrol]

What is the difference between a regular and proffessional masters in cs

[pine sleet]

can you elaborate more? i haven't heard of such a distinction, at least in the US

[autumn hearth]

Guys i am a kid will ai replace Programmers lol

[pine sleet]

no

[autumn hearth]

ok imma 14 year old with 5 years of experience python impressive?

[buoyant seal]

people will have hard time believing you having 5 years of python experience.
When they ask for years of experience, they mean full time commercial years of experience of working in a software developer like role. Since 14 year old person is not able to be hired to work in such capacity => therefore u don't have what they wish
Or at least as some measure of substitution freelancing could quality at some level for that

[autumn hearth]

i mean learning

[pine sleet]

that doesn't count as years of experience

[autumn hearth]

impressive?

[pine sleet]

but sure it's a great thing you're learning at a young age

[autumn hearth]

ok thx

[pine sleet]

it's not something you would put on your resume

[buoyant seal]

DevAboHQ — Today at 8:13 AM
i mean learning
impressive?
Can be impressive, can be not, depending on quality of stuff you will do with that 😉
5 years can fly in a blink of a fly and nothing can be acomplished. As well as in 5 years can be made plenty of cool stuff.

[autumn hearth]

check my youtube astreis.odoo.com

my website tooo-

https://www.youtube.com/@DevAboHQ

Astreis V2

[buoyant seal]

i haven't found programming projects

[autumn hearth]

the astreis software v2

made by me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYqSOSvGVPQ&t=1s

[buoyant seal]

ah. right. mm, can't see the code of the app so can't evaluate
I see only video and download link

[autumn hearth]

i dont like to upload code and the code i had resseted accidently deleted it. i am currently making the software again improving it.

any programming software suggestion i have made outlook data grabber with python and put it in excel file

[buoyant seal]

well, without code it will be hard to evaluate then.
without the code it will be questioned if it is smth virus or not.
developers like to see the code to see its internal charactersitics for quality.

[buoyant seal]

the devs wish to see the code for its internal characteristics like:

Maintainability The ease with which you can modify a software system to change or add capabilities, improve performance, or correct defects.
Flexibility The extent to which you can modify a system for uses or environments other than those for which it was specifically designed.
Portability The ease with which you can modify a system to operate in an environment different from that for which it was specifically designed.
Reusability The extent to which and the ease with which you can use parts of a system in other systems.
Readability The ease with which you can read and understand the source code of a system, especially at the detailed-statement level.
Testability The degree to which you can unit-test and system-test a system; the degree to which you can verify that the system meets its requirements.
Understandability The ease with which you can comprehend a system at both the system-organizational and detailed-statement levels. Understandability has to do with the coherence of the system at a more general level than readability does.
they value it more than external beauty
External beauty is more for users.
Devs are interested in internals

Devs can appreciate external beauty too, but they would prefer to check the code first, at which cost the external beauty (and its functionality) was achieved.

[autumn hearth]

hmm wanna see its a new one 100 lines only

rate this? https://www.fiverr .com/users/azurment/seller_dashboard

[lilac sundial]

Is it a bad idea to include a webscraper in my resume

[buoyant seal]

nothing is visible even after the joining of the link

[autumn hearth]

u have to login first

also combine the link as it blocked it

[buoyant seal]

i will not register/login to view it. too big effort

[autumn hearth]

lol try this https://www.fiverr .com/azurment/develop-or-design-pc-software

i will talk in this to bypass slow lock

[buoyant seal]

it is better than nothing

but i personally recommend to remove as soon as you can eventually
because it shows usually one out of two things

1. immature young dev stuff
2. dealing with... gray legal (or illegal) stuff.

• If you are doing web scrapping with consent of a web site owner / to refactor its legacy to a new modern way
  • then it is actually applaudable and very good to see effort 😏 but it is not often a thing u see when people present web scrapping.
• Also web scraping can be used for good to implement end to end testing. i don't see it ever mentioned in this capacity in resumes too

TLDR: question of consent/legality/morality if u used it for good or for bad. most people use it for bad reasons

[lilac sundial]

Also i was told to not make my resume projects too overcomplicated and keep em simple

[autumn hearth]

data grapple from your email no one's else i can just talk in this

[buoyant seal]

this qualifies as breaking Terms of Services activity and against rule 5 of current server. because Youtube is not really favouring its downloading in such way.
Most people would view it as acceptable though in terms of moral because youtube is doing everything to annoy its users. Youtube is in Enshittification stage at this point pretty much to convert all user satisfaction into money

[lilac sundial]

1. Im sorry
2. Lol

[autumn hearth]

ok

[lilac sundial]

Well dym tellin me if itd be good on a resume

[buoyant seal]

it is better than nothing
but better to remove eventually in my opinion.
very gray area stuff.

[autumn hearth]

will ai replace programmers me scared

I mean my copiolt and chatgpt is litteraly coding for me at this point

[grave solstice]

Sure it'll replace you if all you do is write simple scripts and make simple code changes.

Its the engineering part that will remain untouched, as LLM's do not possess the ability to make logical decisions

[autumn hearth]

i wish i could ban it

[buoyant seal]

there are no proofs for your qualifications, even not visible code at this point.
there is nothing to evaluate here.
Devs are wanted for quality, not for quantity
So far i don't observe anything towards the quality point except ability to make shiny youtube videos that interact with some pretty interfaced program.

I would expect from devs seeing projects interesting in terms of code
and higher education present highly preferably.

[autumn hearth]

also u guys are so lucky living in a good country US Canada Germany ETC

[buoyant seal]

i am from third world country origins too. 😅

[autumn hearth]

Me litterary suffering lol. in pakistan.

No joke thats second worst contry before africa

[buoyant seal]

🤔 i thought North Korea is first, but it has good competitors in africa?

[autumn hearth]

worse then india it is

i used to be migrated to UAE biut back to shtty pakistan study sht and everything

[lilac sundial]

Brother i suggest you dont get political here you might get booted

[autumn hearth]

ok lol

[lilac sundial]

Allahumma barik

[autumn hearth]

wait u live in pakistan?

[lilac sundial]

No i live next door

[autumn hearth]

we are litteraly silenced like north korea

vpn time! now me living in US

[buoyant seal]

Also i was told to not make my resume projects too overcomplicated and keep em simple
that's somewhat strange advice. i mean...
..overcomplicated as in terms of overengineering, that's bad for sure. Overengineering like bringing Kafla/Postgresql/Cassandra to a regular pet project is usually bad idea.

But making pet projects complicated in terms of stuff they provide and amount of code is usually not bad at all. You will be evaluated by your most complicated project pretty much
Or at least really great if u will bring user satisfaction by providing them with all the functionality fitting your project/handling their feature/bug requests to reach maturity of a project
For example this Applied Energistics 2 mod for minecraft https://appliedenergistics.org/ae2-site-archive/
https://github.com/AppliedEnergistics/Applied-Energistics-2

Highly complex in terms of provided functionality and maturity, but will be very admirable to see in resume.

[lilac sundial]

U can put mods in ur resume wtf

[autumn hearth]

adad

[buoyant seal]

https://www.ashesofthedomain.info/
https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=26307.0
Or this conglomerate of mods for Starsector, ashes of domain. It looks so much well devleoped and rich in functionality
That would make a killer resume pretty much
Showing your passion by ACTION and ability to handle indeed complex development, interacting with user base and even potentially collaboration and etc

[autumn hearth]

Morse code translate

imma talk in morse

[grave solstice]

^^ perfect examples 🙂

Never be afraid to show something off that you poured a lot of time and effort into. even if it is a minecraft mod (as long as it isn;t the sexy citizens mod or whatever it is called)

[buoyant seal]

well made projects meet user demands and in use.
It is not that important if it is dev only tool, or minecraft/starsector mod.
The important moment that you made smth that real world people actually need and use / and indeed showing passion by actions instead of words
Such projects are pretty much the peak of... stuff u could put into resume

[lilac sundial]

[lilac sundial]

Is making a full stack app solo overkill for university resume

[smoky quest]

no

[lilac sundial]

How long would something like a website that checks if another site is down or something, take to make

[rain scarab]

guys, what are some career paths that will still be good in 10 years?

[smoky quest]

• Depends how skilled you are
• Companies care about the demonstrated skills in your projects

[lilac sundial]

Wb unis tho

Also im pretty much a newb

[rain scarab]

I know some basic stuff, but struggle to find a good path to put time into, be it: AI, Data Science, CyberSec, DevOps, Blockchain, Cloud Engineering, Software dev, Embded..

[faint depot]

As many of the people say on this channel, it depends. Better to have breadth first and then, focus on depth later

[rain scarab]

whatchu mean breadth first. try to focus on what exactly?

[buoyant seal]

is it worthy to try building full stack app? Yes, because try everything is really good streategy during university.
also worth it if you aim eventually for fullstack/frontend stuff, but even if not, at least one project is good to do to find out if u can appreciate it. If not appreciating then no, but u tried. if appreciating, then in luck and etc

[faint violet]

seeing these conversations make me fear for my future 💀

[buoyant seal]

i started to take seriously programming career only after I graduated from master's degree program at around 26 years old age
still managed to build career.
imagine how much easier career can be done if person started to take care of his own self studies/goal aiming earlier than i am 😏

[faint violet]

i am 15.i am very much into programming. i have went to 2 events and still lost however i was the youngest on there (it was a national school event). so far ik html,css,java now i want to try phython.i am not really a academic guy only good at pratical in everything.idk whether i should go for software engi or programmer or whatever but i want to be in tech

[buoyant seal]

i am not really academic person too and more practical person. Still managed to survive university anyway.
Shined in programming disciplines.
Struggled and sneaked through high math subjects

[buoyant seal]

i am 15
u have plenty of time for preparations 😉 Question only for you to find out actually which stuff u actually enjoy to work with
And preferably to do the preparations and dedicate eventually self studies towards smth
years can fly. very fast. and software development is more of a very long term commitment and years of effort anyway
you just need to find out your road to walk. It will be constant walk. as software development is more of ... lifestyle

[faint violet]

thanks g. which profession is urs?

[buoyant seal]

I am devops engineer and backend developer
I appreciate working only with Linux machines, as they are the most dev friendly system in my opinion
and appreciate web backend/server infra and web development in general for its easy accessability for end users.
I keep strong opinions that modern js web frontend is a mistake which i am not wishing touching though, prefering to concentrate myself towards languages having static typing, or at least they aren't js related in any way.
I value ways for Developer Comfort 😋 Yay to static typing, unit testing, documentation as a code, gitops, infra code and automations stuff

[faint violet]

oh i see

[faint depot]

Dont focus on one aspect like for e.g. web dev. For now, gain the general skills to be a decent SWE and then later on, focus on an aspect of computing. In uni, theyll teach a broad ramge of skills such as databases, web dev, cybersec , app dev etc, as a way to give you an idea on what you want to specialise later on

[faint depot]

Tbh atm Im going to focus on learning AI/ML for the next month just to see if Im interested in it. At the turn of the new year, going to learn about cybersec. Bear in mind, Im still a beginner like you

[faint violet]

is becoming a devops engineer and backend developer really worth it? do u get paided high?

[buoyant seal]

pretty good payment ladder in my opinion. At least in a full time job role working for some specific company.

[buoyant seal]

Tbh my the only concern is present Ageism discrimination in software development careers.
So even if i get ridiculously high salary, i question myself, is it high enough to get me enough money til my retirement eventually or not
if to include discrimination by age, i need to plan things accordingly and strive for even more high salary preferably (as once discrimiation will be applied to me too, i should be having already enough saved money not to care about it)

one of the most popular companies in my origin country leaked all the different discriminations used in hiring practices. Nobody like will admit it being truth (they apologized in the way that they admited it being truth though), but i suspect all the leaked stuff is average temperature among many many companies for different discriminations anyway.

[faint violet]

so do u earn 50k to 100k usd dollars?

[buoyant seal]

too much personal question for community with 50'000+ audience.

[faint violet]

hahaha ik

[faint violet]

or can u dm me?

[buoyant seal]

i will mention though that majority of software development job roles have more or less equal salaries (i don't consider difference in 10-20% as any significant)
It is all proportional to your practical skills, job experience, plus educational background/and your location, and your ability to sell yourself for good enough price
So more or less devs of different good enough average marketable roles have same salaries on the level of their country, and on the level of world market

[faint violet]

i see

[buoyant seal]

it is like only question of picking actually stable demanded job speclializations though
hype stuff is your know very opportunistic thing.
Stable in demand job will provide a stable job searching capabilities and predictable salaries

[buoyant seal]

TLDR... my career strategy is mostly picking the most market wide demanded specializations and skills. capturing majority of a market
But not entirely towards it as i refuse to deal with js. There is plenty of choice among market wide demanded stuff that is not touching js or php for example
I navigate towards market wide stuff that i can appreciate/enjoy to use

[faint violet]

so as a devops engineer and backend developer what do u work on? do u do programming and stuff?

[buoyant seal]

as a cloud oriented devops engineer at a bleeding edge modern infra
I deal with AWS, linuxes, Container scheduling systems AWS ECS/EKS, Terraform, Kubernetes, Docker stuff.
As backend dev i work with writing code for server side Apis, interacting with relational databases like postgresql, message queue stuff. Writing libraries for ecosystem of company stuff.

As a person standing between infra coding and backend development, i pick languages which can work in both directions.

with picking all the time backend friendly languages to wield
I ensure i will be asked for server infrastructure related stuff to support for them

Pulumi supports those languages 🤔

TypeScript & JavaScript (Node.js)
Python
Go
C#, VB, F# (.NET)
Java

for personal (developer comfort and code quality) reasons i prefer to exclude from this list an array of languages i don't appreciate to work with.
That narrows down the list for me towards a short list of languages/ecosystems i wish to know in depth and being comfortable to solve any type of problem in them
I just need to know server infrastructure languages on top of that in addition to the chosen general purpose languages.

it is rather convenient if my picked languages are multipurpose enough to serve for other types of target platform developments in a good way though. makes me opened for other types of projects to maintain and experiment

[faint violet]

ohh i see. u type really quick and correct

[viral stream]

@icy berry now, i send video here

[willow iron]

guyz there is a big project expo in my university ,
i want to submit a project which can be software or can be a hardware ,
i am confused about what i can present or what i can do for it like i know python basics but dont worked with any framework or any library except discord.py
like i have less than 1 month to build final project so is there any suggestion what i can make with python which i can present

can someone help?

[fringe sphinx]

This is a tough question, because it's a function of your skill level and interests

[fringe sphinx]

But if you're trying to find a project that makes a good demo, maybe something with computer vision (opencv)? Or speech recognition (ie: detecting how many times someone says: 'What does this do?'?) or something graphical (drawing fractals?) or something ML base (predicting something using some data set from your Uni)

!kin for more ideas

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[lilac sundial]

Would it be possible to tweak and modify my projects on github after i mention them on my resume and apply to a uni

[near ocean]

Sure, why wouldnt it be?

[lilac sundial]

Bc im worried that my projects my not satisfy the person who will review it

[near ocean]

Im not sure universities look at your github

[lilac sundial]

Mmm

[lilac sundial]

Hey am i at a good pace if im building proto SaaS based websites if im in my final year of colleg

[deft herald]

Weren't you just talking about applying to university?

[lilac sundial]

Im applying for my masters degree my G

[deft herald]

Gotcha, G

[true harness]

what is a "proto SaaS based website"

[true harness]

it's not strictly defined, but professional will usually be more courses, and will not have research components

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, like a thesis vs non thesis masters in US?

[lilac sundial]

I guess so, bc on the site thats the biggest difference i could find in the course description

[lofty otter]

Hi , i am looking for collaborators to help with some projects part time - a project in Flask , a project with langchain, others to come. PM Me for more. thanks

[lilac sundial]

Like a site that for eg u can upload a .pdf and u get like a chatgpt style interface to ask stuff abt and its supposed to be subscription based

[true harness]

i would expect senior cs undergrads to accomplish much more than that

[hearty island]

the cs seniors at my school barely did projects

not good chief

[lilac sundial]

Ym like internships n stuff?

[true harness]

no, i mean projects n stuff

[lilac sundial]

Oh

Can i get an example plx

[lilac sundial]

Oh btw

Is it not ok if i slap a bunch of copyright logos and disclaimers on my projects website

I would like to make it look professional but i don kno if it gud or bad

[near ocean]

Are you making money off of this?
If not, the logos won't help
If yes, the logos are pointless

[bleak heron]

this is an idea that has been "done to death"

that goes for every other project that wraps OpenAI's API

[lilac sundial]

Haha lol

[lilac sundial]

I understand

[west flicker]

how does occupation work for python devs

[true harness]

anything semi-unique or challenging. like a compiler or something. a backend framework

[lilac sundial]

O boi

Wb something like my own programming language

[fossil geyser]

guys how are you

[true harness]

sure, if you're interested in that

[lilac sundial]

Saw some dud make it vc looks pretty fun

And by fun i mean ultra nightmare mode

[true harness]

if you're not interested in it, it doesn't really matter. there's tons of other cool stuff you can do ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deft herald]

Care to elaborate on your question?

[lilac sundial]

Mention

Oh btw what domain does this relate to, yknow how like front end and server stuff is like fullstack based

So what does this pertain to exactly making ur own os, compilers, language

[true harness]

systems

[willow iron]

thankyou very much it gave me little bit clearance ,
i like opencv , speech recognition, graphical but ML base , uni data set is like not possible for now

so u have some ideas for this , i am newbie in creating projects like this , like i can create a fully fledge discord bot but i cant showcase to my university 🤧

[willow iron]

@anyone plz?

[radiant vortex]

@willow iron

[willow iron]

@radiant vortex

[radiant vortex]

Yep, so just be patient

We're all volunteers here

[willow iron]

i really don’t know anything in python except making discord bots 🤣 so i am totally confused thanks

[radiant vortex]

Have you looked at the kindling page billy linked?

[willow iron]

umm wait sorry

[long torrent]

no way bro 😭

[smoky quest]

Hi! This is the wrong channel. This channel is about #career-advice .
You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help to find the best place for it

[long torrent]

what?

[smoky quest]

Hi! This is the wrong channel. This channel is about #career-advice .
You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help to find the best place for it

[long torrent]

sry it was js a "meme" ig , didnt find where to send it

[smoky quest]

oh, we don't do memes here. It's a serious career channel.
Maybe one of the off topic channels?

[obtuse dragon]

is there anyone from india?

[peak halo]

what would you ask someone if they were?

[obtuse dragon]

That what are the current right programming languages should I start learning depending on the Meta and for job seeking opportunities in india.

[gritty rivet]

Looking at local job listings for yourself should give you a clear idea

[true arch]

ohh ok

[lilac sundial]

As in systems engineering?

[dreamy spade]

Would a year and a half be considered around two years?

[regal axle]

It’s a rule of thumb. Best judgment to be applied. It can be ,,, but it also could easily not be …

[smoky quest]

if it was close to around two years, you would not have used "a year and a half"

[muted bridge]

“A year and a half” sounds awkward. Two choices, round down or round up. No real reason not to round up, it isn’t a humble competition

if it’s not exactly two years and you arent comfortable completely rounding up I’d put “~2 years” and no one can really argue with you

[dreamy spade]

I see that most software developers jobs are paid by salary but how many hours a day do they work if they are paid by salary?

[pine sleet]

it can vary

[regal axle]

Well … it is 100% dependent on the company and the culture. Some get amazing cushy jobs and only work 20 hours a week. But other people end up putting closer to 80! All that said, you should roughly expect 40.

[dreamy spade]

20 hours a week is insane

[regal axle]

I agree. But it does happen. Do not expect this in any way though

[vapid jay]

if anyone would mind helping me out cheers #1311524401656889425 message

[dreamy spade]

Any advice on how to navigate a non-technical manager with OCD?

[regal axle]

In what regard?

[dreamy spade]

How to deal with their anxiety and requirements that can sometimes be nit-picky

[peak halo]

As for their anxiety, you aren't in charge of their emotions.

As for the requirements: if they're the primary stakeholder in what a piece of software needs to do, they get to decide what the requirements are. Are they asking for things that aren't feasible or which are mutually exclusive?

[lilac sundial]

Is it ok if i have two seperate web pages on my project that have links to one another?

Or am i expected to cram the whole thing into the interface of a single page

[minor raven]

i am looking to learn more about tensorflow

[smoky quest]

It's up to you, whatever makes sense

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> recruitment

[pine sleet]

!cban 1185423721977102458 advertising

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @strange karma permanently.

[upper sorrel]

hello friends... i am a master's in AI but i am unable to land a job. i have been contemplating on doing a certificate course online but cannot decide which one to opt for ?? Shall i got for Google Cloud or AWS Cloud ??? Please guide me 😄

[lilac sundial]

How many projects are recommended to have on a resume

[pine sleet]

theres no hard number but generally quality > quantity

try to have one or two solid unique projects you can talk meaningfully about in an interview

[lilac sundial]

Wb if im applying for uni

[pine sleet]

same advice there too

they like seeing that you're involved

[lilac sundial]

Alr

Will they care if i make one kinda simple compared to others

[smoky quest]

So you are asking if they would care if your project is much simpler than everyone else?

[lilac sundial]

Not much simpler but yes

[smoky quest]

What's your guess?

[pine sleet]

you don't have to submit a list of every project in your college apps. just do the most impressive one, include other extracurriculars and your grades

is this for the U.S btw?

[lilac sundial]

My most simple one is a link to video converter website so idk

[smoky quest]

that doesn't answer my question

[lilac sundial]

I suppose it depends

[smoky quest]

on what?

[lilac sundial]

On the institution and their expectatioms

[pine sleet]

well this would go in the section that asks you to talk about outstanding accomplishments so yeah just list your most impressive project and other stuff

[smoky quest]

and your competition.

If your school only has space for 10 students. It doesn't matter if your project is better than the 20th of 15th applicant. It's still too weak

[lilac sundial]

Im not aiming for 11% acceptance rate colleges

[pine sleet]

yes, this too. for your regular state school that often accepts tens of thousands of students, simply having good grades and SAT scores and some extracurriculuars will be enough (your personal programming projects will just be a bonus)

[smoky quest]

you should adjust your target to your expectations

[lilac sundial]

Im tryna get into uiuc purdue or georgia tech

[smoky quest]

then why are we even discussing weak projects?

[pine sleet]

having some good projects will definetely help there

[lilac sundial]

Well would the one that i meantioned earlier be considered weak

[pine sleet]

this? probably yeah

[smoky quest]

if it's a wrapper around ffmpeg, definitely

[minor raven]

AWS cloud is good

[lilac sundial]

What about a full stack e commerce app

[smoky quest]

it's about the demonstrated skills, not the nature of the projects

[lilac sundial]

Alright

But would i have demonstrated enough if i made one of those or should i do something even better

Id like to know bc i dont really have a lot of people guiding me rn

[smoky quest]

there is no answer to that.
a fullstack ecommerce app can be stupidly simpler or very complex and fancy. The nature of the project does not specify the demonstrated skills

I would also argue that an ecommerce app is far more bootcamp-y than CS-y

[lilac sundial]

Ok but i do something that involves a stack would that be adequate

[pine sleet]

its not just about that, its like what r_e said. can you talk about what important skills you learned from it?

[lilac sundial]

Ive learned a good deal of react js etc and some back end stuff and using apis

[pine sleet]

while that's nice, that's not really the kinds of things colleges are looking for, more of a job thing

[lilac sundial]

My last project is one where ive made a algo and sorting visualizer on react wb that

[viral peak]

Hello everyone, I want to share a bit about my past and need some advice. I am not from a good background, environment, from a third world country and after my high school I enrolled in a university. After 1 semester, I couldn’t see much value in it and dropped out, I knew that it won’t really lead me to a better path. My goal was to be able to have enough resources so that I could afford to study at a better university abroad. And I worked hard for the past 2 years and earned about $10k - $20k ( Which btw is a lot compared to where I am at ). I made those using my web dev skills ( Making projects ), I learned a lot about different topics of programming and overall I would say it was good. However, I am done with this place now, I don’t want to be here anymore, but don’t have much options. I can’t get a job outside the country because I don’t have a degree and not sure what should I focus on next. Not sure whether it’s still possible to get into a university outside the country as I still don’t have much great educational background. I am 20 btw

[smoky quest]

Schools will care more about the theory than the javascript framework of the day.
Think paxos or compilation theory

[lilac sundial]

Ok

[smoky quest]

Hi!
Is there a question?

[pine sleet]

i think they just want to know what to do

[smoky quest]

It depends on your country, but getting a degree in your country will always be cheaper than abroad. It might be worth going back to school

[muted bridge]

???

[lilac sundial]

Rip it said somwthing else when i googled it

[muted bridge]

You named 3 T20 CS colleges man

[lilac sundial]

Hahahah

[pine sleet]

nothing wrong with being ambitious

[muted bridge]

when you look up college admission rates make sure you add "for computer science" at the end, it varies college-to-college

[lilac sundial]

I think im being a lil too ambitious for my level

Robin could u give me like 2 suggestions on what projects i can do

[pine sleet]

that's why its recommended to have colleges in three categories, "reach," "match," and "safety"

[pine sleet]

its not about the project, its about what you learn in it

[smoky quest]

aim high so you have no regret.
Worst case you don't make it but at least you will reach higher than if you had not aimed as high

[lilac sundial]

True

[muted bridge]

I would like to add that you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket, I applied to 10 reaches and got rejected from all of them

[lilac sundial]

Wait is this undergrad?

[smoky quest]

and best case, you succeed 🙂

[muted bridge]

I was under that impression, but I'm assuming their graduate options aren't less competitive

[lilac sundial]

Lol

[pine sleet]

like in my college apps i wrote about being a helper here. most people would say thats dumb but i was able to word it in such a way that i focused on the skills that i learned here which are useful. so the actual project that you do doesn't matter, you just need to explain what you learned

[lilac sundial]

Where did u explain in the resume itself?

[pine sleet]

are you using commonapp to apply?

iirc there was a portion where you talk about significant achievements

you would write about it in there

brief introduction on the project itself (dont get too technical or into the thick of it, the person reading it may not be technical and even if they are they probably dont care) and explain what skills you used or learned

[lilac sundial]

Whats that?

[pine sleet]

how have you been applying to colleges?

[lilac sundial]

Ive only just finished my shortlist lol

[pine sleet]

well i'm not sure how you haven't heard of commonapp but its the most common way to apply to colleges. pretty much every college in the US takes applications through it iirc. i think some states also have a secondary way to apply though i'm not sure how common that is. we had applytexas as well which had most texas universities on it

[lilac sundial]

Oh also do the universities only consider your gpa at the end of your degree

[pine sleet]

they look at your cumulative high school gpa, the courses you took, and the grades you got in each of them

[keen phoenix]

I have been learning to code Python for a while now. Is it possible to get an online remote job as a fresher Python devloper? I am only 14 and I find it really hard to find online jobs

[pine sleet]

no, it's going to be next to impossible to find one as a 14 year old with no other experience

[keen phoenix]

Possibly freelancing?

[pine sleet]

freelancing is just as difficult

[near ocean]

Everyone wants remote jobs, you're not going to find any at 14 years old

[digital fjord]

At that age your best bet is friends and family.

[round kindle]

Hello, Does anyone know which role has good pay, better opportunities and scope in India? - Data engineering or Data science

[tawdry quarry]

u need to find a place where ppl hire for commissions

i free lance, im 15

[keen phoenix]

yeah i actually do believe its not that hard if you know what you're doing. i freelanced as an intern at an AI company with almost no coding skills but still managed to code with the help of my team lead. I made a surprisingly a lot in just a week

[keen phoenix]

what platform do you use?

[dreamy spade]

Okay so if you technically worked for a company for 1 year and 7 months, is it fine to say that you worked there for two years to round it out?

[near ocean]

1.5years is closer
Are you applying elsewhere or is this for a linkedin summary or something

[dreamy spade]

My intuition is telling me to create an exit plan because I see no prospects of me getting a raise due to my company being a start up and me being the only developer. Also, the stress is getting to me now

My manager also changes their mind about the tasks they give me a lot

It’s been said that the best way to get a raise is to find another job, but at the same time I don’t want to look like a job hopper. So it’s a catch-22

[rustic jetty]

How old do people usually get into coding

[peak halo]

I assume you're talking about yourself? what career experience do you have?

[near ocean]

I wouldnt worry about that, if they think job hoppers are a problem you probably don't want to work with them

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with ^. Job hopping is not something to be worried about. Finding a good company and job where you are growing is.

Especially true if this is your first job. Nobody cares how long you stayed at your first job.

[dreamy spade]

All right. Thanks for the career advice guys

[true harness]

they're applying for ms

[rustic jetty]

Im 15 but im only good at chess rubiks and math science stuff i dont have any career so im trying out programming or coding idk what the difference is but its really fun in my opinion

[junior valley]

Bro u literally the perfect cousin my mom wants me to be

You make me look stupid AF

[peak halo]

I misread your original message--you can start learning to code at any time. you probably won't be able to start a career without getting a degree in computer science (or something similar)

[rustic jetty]

Im in need for a conversion about it
But it seems like i haven't sent 50 messages yet which is the requirement for vc..

[rustic jetty]

You have your own talents, not dumb at all considering that i see sense of humor in you, often the manifestation of intellect

[junior valley]

Bro even using this smart person type grammar but thanks

[rustic jetty]

I believe in you pepe

[junior valley]

Thanks YOO i looked in your pfp damn ur preety jacked

BTW im starting in python is it valubule skill to know python or just take it as a window for learning other languages

[true harness]

both

[rustic jetty]

I do homee workout

[junior valley]

If you gonna keep on these home workouts you finally will destroy smth - my mom

[rustic jetty]

Yep its really fun, its all the fundamentals you'll need to get used to being so objective and get used to the headaches

[rustic jetty]

Lmao, all i broke is my wrist

[junior valley]

Btw i slammed my table cuz of python n when im tired of python im sweating in scretch

[rustic jetty]

Loll

I did get frustrated when i deleted all my progress once by accident

It was a calculator that insults the user, the insults get worse the more you use it

[junior valley]

Same i actlidenty turn off my pc

[junior valley]

xDDDDD

[rustic jetty]

Yeah.. i got carried away ik

[junior valley]

Once i did a poker simulator that asked you questions at start about your familly and the more money you spend it was giving you list that you can buy to your family

[rustic jetty]

Ohh

[junior valley]

xDDDDDDD

[rustic jetty]

That sounds complicated..

[junior valley]

I know it was just like the question and the poker part

[rustic jetty]

When i complete my my rock paper scissors project imma start neural network idc if it takes me years

[rustic jetty]

Goodjobb

[junior valley]

BRO from RPS to neutral network what a upgrade

[rustic jetty]

I get excited haha, but ill try to start early and make little progress consistently

I need 50 messages sent for vc

[junior valley]

What messages

[rustic jetty]

Voice verification section

[peak halo]

They're talking about #voice-verification
this is the career discussion channel, so if your conversation is going in a different direction, head to #python-discussion or #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[rustic jetty]

Im so sorryy right

[willow iron]

guyz guyz guyz
i dont know what to do in my career ....
i just choose b.tech but i just want to become financial free like want to surpasss people near financially but know i came to knwo i have no clearification what i can do in life?
i know basic python but i dont know what i can do with it? to earn money , i can make discord bots easily but thing wom't get me money , so what should be my goal project to acheive that after this i am able to earn some and provide any service to someone . can somebody help likee what opportunity i can take?

[fringe sphinx]

This is a complex topic, and it sounds like you need to start with learning more about the field. Don't try to 'map a course' without understanding what the landscape looks like.

[willow iron]

thanks billy u r here , i am 18 yrs old and have no plan about future like what to do , i am maybe a spoonfeeder like somoone give me a task to learna nd i just do it but can't make any decision like what i can do

i just want to be rich as much i can

[fringe sphinx]

I was the same. At 18, I went to college (University) with no idea. It took me a while to find a path

[fringe sphinx]

Rich is not a useful way of thinking about your career path. You're talking about a field that's well paid, provided you are well prepared and motivated.

Chance favors the prepared mind - Pasteur

There are three things to focus on at your age: 1. Education: learn things 2. Experience: do things. 3. Networking: talk to people and hear their stories