career-advice

[gritty rivet]

Australia

[sly gulch]

I see, all of my Australian experience are in postdocs,
You reckon I need Australian industry experience 1st?

[gritty rivet]

I would be applying in both places but expecting your odds within Australia are far greater, however small the industry may be

[sly gulch]

Yea, I mean, I will definitely be applying for both.
I'm just not sure, to play the US game, do I just go to indeed and start applying? Or I should be doing something else as well?
Maybe just be more active on discrod and reddit with my IRL name on the AI space? does it count as networking?
Initiating convo in LinkedIn?

[gritty rivet]

You can look on places like Y Combinator and occasionally you might see openings for international applicants, but it's pretty rare. Most people sponsored are not found from public listings but personal networks

[gritty rivet]

All of that might help. If you're publishing papers you could also probably be presenting at international conferences

[sly gulch]

Yea, should have networked more during the conference haha.
I mean, I kinda did, but mostly with fellow academia, and not industry

[sly gulch]

I see, fair enough. Do you mind if I DM you?

[buoyant seal]

there's very limited industry AI research role in Australia
consider a bit diverisfying. As far as i am aware Data Engineering is more foundational skill often in demand, accompanying AI to make AI possible
So a lot of Data Engineering is needed, to do a little bit of AI
Also Data Engineering makes sense good enough without AI itself

hubt — 09/22/2022
i warn everyone that wants to be in AI/ML: you spend a huge amount of time on data validation, cleanup, and analysis. and generally a lot less time than you'd think on the actual AI/ML part. unless your company has very mature data management and data pipelines(very few companies do), expect to spend a lot more time on data engineering than AI/ML

[sly gulch]

unless your company has very mature data management and data pipelines(very few companies do), expect to spend a lot more time on data engineering than AI/ML
that's exactly what I meant
very few companies in Australia has a mature data pipelines.
I know such is the case all over the world, but it seems that, there are more of those companies/startup in the US

I need a lot of learning to be good at data eng.

[dim pelican]

So my job has created a brand new position titled Digital Tech I. They don’t have any hard technical requirements, but the first round of interviews went well. I doubt they will have many technical questions has this position was birth from someone who was making software in Excel as a side job. Are there any questions I should ask?

The job posting is here if that helps: https://careers.sunchemical.com/job/Grand-Prairie-CTS-Digital-Tech-I-TX-75050/1194390300/

[analog sun]

Hello, your message has been removed for violating server rules

[gritty rivet]

Sent you one

[hearty totem]

I will be blunt and say that you just need to bite the bullet. No one in industry will be keen on a pure "ideas man". You will always be expected to prototype+MVP your ideas. And that involves sourcing the data for the prototype itself too. You can get away without the skills to process millions of rows through distributed queries, but you will not survive in the industry without prototyping API integrations. And I mean the AI industry.

Your only other options are if you either built a faster Adam optimiser (e.g. doing fractal processing of the search space in linear time to compete with Adam's speed) or if you wrote your own GPU library on top of pure cuda which competes with torch speed on edge cases. Those are the two sets of skills I can think off that would allow you to bypass the data processing requirements. Yes, I suspect that I'd you did one of those you would not have trouble to be hired anywhere. (I may be wrong I did not do either of these two things - they're freakishly hard)

Paraphrasing one of the fav quotes of this channel. Building up a good strength on the data skills is most likely the path of least resistance here

[mortal wedge]

An idea man is basically the CEO, and to become a CEO you need connections. And if you had those connections you wouldn't need help getting the position.

[sly gulch]

Lolll.
This is so funny because literally the other day. I was asking people on vc in this channel on how to learn AI integration, and after talking further, I was told to ditch it and apply US remote research scientist job hahahha.

Shouldn't have listened to random people on the internet.

But yea ok. I think the big picture is, I probably won't get US job, but it is still worth networking and upskilling.

[smoky quest]

I never lie.

Though I am kinda of confused on your objective(s)

[fringe sphinx]

Agree on last sentence. You really haven't no way of guessing what opportunities will arise. Chance favors the prepared mind and all that.

[harsh river]

i guess posting my resume here already is working

i'm not sure posting here had any effect but hell of a coincidence

[pine sleet]

Hello, your message was deleted as it violates our server rules (recruitment)

[strange pumice]

Guys I need advice is it wise to go for masters in software engineer. I'm currently a software engineer. .

Or get a master in AI/ML

[smoky quest]

it depends

[strange pumice]

I love software engineering I feel like getting a masters is useless if you already develop software for a living

[smoky quest]

a masters can be useful for the things masters are good at, especially when wanting to go deeper into a specific topic

don't go into a masters to compete with people who do not need a masters

[slate prairie]

Hello guys
My company reimburses me for courses/certifications upto USD 300. Since I am planning to switch by end of this year and currently skilling up, this seems like a good thing for me.

For context: I am a senior analyst in the data science domain with 3 years of experience. I work mostly on databricks hosted on Azure. My work is more data analysis and some machine learning.

Between Databricks and Azure, which exact certification should I pursue?

[strange pumice]

In software engineering field is it necessary

[smoky quest]

it depends on the masters and jobs you want to pursue

[strange pumice]

Hmmm

[smoky quest]

I would probably go for databricks

[safe ice]

https://lu.ma/i1x6rwe3

[slate prairie]

Should I go with something I want to do (like DB GenAI Engineer cert), or something I am currently doing (like DB ML Engineer Associate cert)?

[smoky quest]

it depends on the expected outcome

[warm merlin]

is angela yus web dev course good or should i buy something else

[smoky quest]

it depends on what you hope to accomplish with it

[warm merlin]

i hope to accomplish the concept of web desigining and get starterd with web designing

[smoky quest]

then it's a popular course for such matter

[warm merlin]

but is it enough to land jobs

[smoky quest]

no

In terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[warm merlin]

im a first year cs student

but since in my first year , we are only studying pcm, i wanted to get ahead with my coding skills

[smoky quest]

then focus on projects and the school classes

[warm merlin]

ok

[faint depot]

I swear I can't help being truthful in an interview. looks like im going back to university. heres a link to the course ill be doing. just want an opinion if you think the course is decent and what routes i can take in life with it. thank you. https://www.shu.ac.uk/courses/computing/bsc-honours-artificial-intelligence-and-robotics-with-foundation-year/full-time#course-modules

btw Im already enrolled into it and will start attending in mid september

[twilit portal]

I can't help you unfortunately but good luck!

[vapid jay]

it delated my text

[summer imp]

check triangle is possible or not if yes then which triangle form. please make a pyhton code for this

[near ocean]

If the bot keeps deleting your post then maybe take it as a sign that you shouldnt be posting whatever youre posting

[vapid jay]

oh i thought it was due to multiple lines tried posting seperatly

what could one expect to do as a java developer,

[near ocean]

Write and fix java code

[vapid jay]

https://github.com/hardikbagaria/PayoutFusion

this is my final year project, it is a ERP system with integrated payment solution and pdf creation (yet to be completed)
will i get a job on the basis of my project

[near ocean]

Probably not

[vapid jay]

so what shoud i do

[near ocean]

More projects, some leetcode, apply to job ads

[vapid jay]

oh okay !

i had another question about code security and code optimization, what is it and do i need to learn it to get a job? (i can code features easily but i don't understand code security)

[gritty rivet]

Most jobs will not specifically prove your knowledge about this in the interview process, but some may

If you want to have a good basic foundation, I would look at the exam objectives and study materials for the ConpTIA Security+ certification. For sensitive government jobs they might require you to have the actual certification, but just having familiarity with that material would be good for any developer

[buoyant seal]

In the first order, the code should be maintainable, and for that it should be unit testable 😎
Learn unit testing and its practices for the greater good

[buoyant seal]

code optimization
🤔 mostly it is asked cleaning here for maintainability as mentioned
But there is plenty of optimization can be done in terms of performance
people learn for that DSA and then go through some comprehensive relational dbs learning if they are backend devs. If they this learning will have optimizing working with db on millions of rows, then it will be a good one to train yourself in optimizations too

subject can be learned further with learning usage of monitoring systems, tracing, profiling, how to navigate them
and writing performance testing

[shadow birch]

i wanna be software engineer

[eternal sluice]

Me and 3 friends are working on a really interesting ai project!

If anyone is interested and has some free time to code with us.

Write me a message on discord

[fringe sphinx]

This server isn't for recruitment (see channel description). If you need help with a problem, you can always ask a question in #❓｜how-to-get-help a help thread.

[reef steeple]

Do you guys have here code share

Like sharing codes

[buoyant seal]

!paste

[inner wren]

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[reef steeple]

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[trim crypt]

We use pastebins. This is one of those #career-advice message

[harsh jolt]

From https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/aug/29/uk-graduates-struggle-job-market:

Noah, 23, a data analyst from Norwich, said he found his £36,000-a-year job because he had taught himself the coding language Python during his international relations and modern history BA, and subsequently applied for graduate schemes at two large software engineering companies.

“Although I didn’t necessarily have the skills they expected for a software engineer, Python gave me a bit of an edge, and my now manager picked up that I was easy to get along and work with in a team,” he said.

Python strikes again!

[hallow wren]

Wsp

I am new to python like very new

[hoary needle]

I want to believe this is a group to help beginners trying to learn Python and not only for guru’s

[hoary needle]

Welcome, I’m new also. But try checking Python doc on there website

Please to all the pro in the house, try to carry we the novice along! Thank you

[hallow wren]

Where are u learning python, I am learning on sololearn

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is the right channel to talk about learning python... this channel is for career topics.

[hoary needle]

Same here

[hallow wren]

Wanna learn together

[hoary needle]

Yes of course

[hallow wren]

Ok mrblack let's talk there

Can I dm u btw

[hoary needle]

Yes sure

[hoary needle]

We don’t have a career yet, we’re just trying to learn and work our way to learn simple script like print (Hello world)!

[toxic ice]

I'm very new like one day old new to python, what's some code I should start learning?

[hearty totem]

Oh, I like what the modules say. You will get basic electronics. I find that many good programmers I know got good at it by learning some basic electronics. Which gives a different way of thinking about the computer. I really like their programme for the course. Good choice. Get in there and see if you can get as much as you can from the many coursework/projects

[faint depot]

thanks for responding. thats what i was thinking. especially with only one exam in the first year, its the perfect course for me as i dont need to focus on the exams and i excel at coursework. however, im still having 2nd thoughts of doing the course. even though im already in it and set to attend this september, im thinking ill still apply to apprenticeships and leave the course if I get one, as i dont think im ready to go back to conventional education after dropping out a year ago.

[harsh river]

Hi, can i get some updated feedback on this updated resume

[hearty totem]

Think the opposite way: maybe dropping out gives you enough motivation to not drop out again. Motivation and hope are weird but very powerful. Good luck!

[faint depot]

I do have to pay for the tuition fees for the foundation and 1st year. I know I only need to pass my foundation to get into 1st year but I just feel for myself I need a new route. A proper fresh start on my life. Ill still reapply for an apprenticeship. If I enjoy the course, Ill stick with it. If not, ill go down the apprenticeship route

[vital wyvern]

wtf kinda job title is employee

[fleet reef]

are you saying that didn't work there?

[vital wyvern]

Your projects are by far going to be the most relevant things to pursuing employment as a developer, if that's what you're targeting. I'm honestly unsure what you're targeting, I get Shen vibes where you're doing IT + ETL

Your Nuitka bullets are incredibly lightweight and lack technical detail.

IMO IDE's do not belong on your resume unless they're truly relevant to what you're doing.
(E.g., it's probably fine to put Visual Studio if you're doing C++ dev because that has a lot that goes along with it.)

My recommendation to you echoes what I've given to others:

• Find a job you're interested in.
• Identify the skills & aptitudes that they expect from you.
• And show that you possess those skills and aptitudes by directly addressing them within the content of your resume.

[harsh river]

What else then?

[vital wyvern]

You had a job title that wasn't "Employee" for sure.

[harsh river]

Not really, it was mostly an informal job, as far as I know I was just an employee

[vital wyvern]

also why is "Import" and "Exportation" and "Various" capitalized?

[vital wyvern]

What did you do?

Like what did you actually do, because "managed imports" doesn't really tell anyone much.

[harsh river]

Import and Export are always capitalized when I see resumes that involve it

[vital wyvern]

I would... not capitalize it personally, but I'll leave that up to you I suppose.

[true harness]

is that related to tech in any way ?

[vital wyvern]

Lemme cook.

You can probably spin this as a Logistics/Supply Analyst which sounds much better than employee. Logistics Analyst/Supply Analyst get you a more technical title, and you can... kind of prevent any negative misconceptions associated with simply being called "Employee".

Which, objectively you were probably doing if you're negotiating pricing on behalf of an organization and managing import/export of products.

[harsh river]

Received and managed imported products that came from different countries and received them via customs

[vital wyvern]

I'd lean more towards the supply chain aspect, the idea being that you want to show that you had technical responsibilities in that role. You'd be shocked at how far showing you're good with data/spreadsheets gets you.

[harsh river]

No

[vital wyvern]

Bro was a warehouse clerk 😭

[harsh river]

No warehouses involved actually, I was the main point for 3 companies at customs and then dispatched it to wherever they needed to go

[true harness]

also the first experience entry is a bit ambiguous. what was your role exactly in starting this business? you list it as freelance developer, but your first bullet claims that you "Started E-commerce business"

[harsh river]

I was the owner of it, managed it by myself for the entirety of it

[vital wyvern]

Cool that you’re explaining this to me, but the fact that I’m asking should be indicative that you didn’t capture it well on the remsume

[harsh river]

Fair enough, my first resume so I’m not really sure what o should be putting and just winging things

[vital wyvern]

I would embrace the advice I passed initially which is to find a job you want, and directly structure your resume around that job.

Right now the biggest issue is a lack of clear intent and direction imo.

[true harness]

I think the title is misleading, then, since you presumably weren't only developing

[harsh river]

So I should separate it out into it’s own field, but I’m not sure what title I should put then, bussines owner?

[true harness]

founder or something

[vital wyvern]

I use “Boss Babe, Vipyr Security”

[fast fossil]

remsume
that's just so hilarious to me

[vapid jay]

unless its a job you particularly want bad, creating a new CV for every application would be draining no? is this common?

[vital wyvern]

This is very common, but doing it when initially constructing your resume is a good move because there’s a good chance much will carry over, and it will help align the direction of the resume a bit more.

[vapid jay]

i see

[balmy spade]

Do you often apply to jobs you don't particularly want?

[vital wyvern]

I think pub might be responsible for the phrase “remsume”. Is it funnier if it’s been in common use for almost a year now?

[fast fossil]

(considering this is my first time encountering it (and thinking it's a typo), it was pretty funny to me, yes)

[harsh river]

I’ll think in it, since I don’t necessarily want to put the business name on the map

[true harness]

would it not be found with your full name and linkedin and github?

[fast fossil]

also... free advertising 😏

[vital wyvern]

Nah it’s just copyright infringement. InstaKRRT

[harsh river]

Not at all, it served a pretty specific niche, lasted for a short time, and was controversial to its niche and I would rather not be associated with it nowadays

[true harness]

scalping, i see

[harsh river]

Good guess, but no

[twilit portal]

What if they ask you about it during the interview? What will you say?

[harsh river]

I can give them the general details and if they want to see the revenue charts I don’t mind

[vapid jay]

yea

[balmy spade]

Interesting. What's the reason for doing that?

[vapid jay]

im 17 with basically no qualifications or experience, lmao

but yeah if i was more qualified then i wouldnt ofc

[balmy spade]

Sure, that's your situation. But why go through the effort (low or high) of applying for a job you don't want? If you're putting low effort into it, you're drastically increasing the chance you won't get an interview. Guess I'm confused on why make the effort if it isn't toward a goal.

You do you I'm just curious.

[vapid jay]

itd be less energy draining to just make a well rounded CV (not specifically catered to the job) and apply to lots of jobs as opposed to making a specific CV catered towards each and every job youre applying for. i figured this would be only worth it if you especially wanted the job

[vapid jay]

and id apply to a job i dont want bc i want money. i think most people are unhappy with their jobs

[balmy spade]

Two fair points. I'm not convinced of the second but would agree to it in generalized terms. You'd have more success getting the money with a little effort into a targeted CV.

[smoky quest]

I recommend to make multiple versions for each persona rather than each job. It's a good trade off in terms of ROI

[errant thicket]

oh so each job you apply to make your resume similar to the job description?

[main grail]

hello world

[errant thicket]

hey mate i got fired from my warehouse job today

[main grail]

how can i upgrade my professional english

who wanna help me

[peak halo]

what is your native language?

[main grail]

@peak halo

[smoky quest]

wow

[true harness]

that is unfortunate

[lofty sigil]

I improved my english + working on accent, by doing US sales job B2B + B2C!!!

[errant thicket]

ik right i hope i can land a help desk job i’ll send my resume in here tm

[smoky quest]

and keep up the good grades at school so you can demonstrate awesome skills and find great jobs

[errant thicket]

i will i realize i did 1 year of cs i just gotta keep going

[errant thicket]

could you help me land a help desk job by the end of the month?

[true harness]

do you need a job right away?

[heavy siren]

who wouldnt mate

[clear mist]

what are website where i can look work on it

[pine sleet]

yes x3

[smoky quest]

bro I don't give jobs

[harsh river]

do you take them away?

[smoky quest]

it happens

[onyx vessel]

Hi guys

[gritty rivet]

As opposed to what? Are you weighing some specific alternative? Almost every other field has at least as much uncertainty, if not more

Nobody knows exactly what the job market will look like in 4-5 years but if you learn how to learn and work hard at it, you'll find a way to do well no matter what

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't a job board; no recruiting allowed

[onyx vessel]

ok I deleted

[south folio]

You need a webiste?

[vapid jay]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sly gulch]

I never said you lie???

My objective is just to get a good career, that's it. Just wondering, given my circumstances, what's the best for me.

[little scaffold]

@fringe sphinx was there a channel here that was OK to post about a job? I'm hiring. I didn't see one, but I could have missed it.

[fringe sphinx]

No, we don't allow any recruiting anywhere on the server.

[little scaffold]

Thanks for letting me know!

[peak halo]

@little scaffold be sure to re read the #rules . They were presented to you when you joined the server, and you clicked a button saying "I agree".

[vapid jay]

Hi wassup??

[glossy dew]

information security is a good degree? I will have experience to work in others areas?

[vapid jay]

If I'm interested in programming but only want to pursue an associates degree or a lesser certification, what exactly should I look for?

Or is it a waste of time?

[near ocean]

Why an associates and not a bachelors

[vapid jay]

I'm getting older and I don't want to go that heavy into it

[near ocean]

You can pay for and spend 2 years in uni but not 3?

[vapid jay]

I was under the impression that it would be 2 vs 4

Gotta get back to work I'll check replies later, thanks for input

[fringe sphinx]

eh, the pace depends on you and your free time (ie: summers or no)

[near ocean]

It depends on where you live, you didnt mention your location or your age really

[warm merlin]

im so down bad burnt out today with all the things i learnt in python

[peak halo]

You can take a break.

[mossy kettle]

hello world

[warm merlin]

yea, gona continue tomorrow morning, adios

[olive vault]

Does anyone know of companies that hire through open source contributions?
In the sense get noticed by contributing to their repos?

[smoky quest]

It would be very helpful to narrow it down.
Everyone in the world wants a good career. No one ever aspires to a terrible career.
In addition this is completely unspecified as it doesn't tell us much about the specific goals and milestones you want to reach.

You mentioned Australia, US, remote jobs, and I am still not clear if there are immigration or purely remote aspects of it.
Clarifying all of it would help us tailor the advice to your specific needs and situation

[smoky quest]

yeah, there are plenty

[olive vault]

How do I find them, do you know any?

[harsh river]

You don’t find them, they find you

[smoky quest]

Pick any company backed open source project

So for instance react, elasticsearch, etc.

Main feedback is show, don't tell.
How did you make the system scalable?
What was the nature of the optimizations?

[dull arrow]

Thanks for your feedback, really appreciate it.
So could you let me know detailed guide in DM?

[smoky quest]

no, I don't do DMs

[fringe sphinx]

Over-use of bolding, especially of uninteresting words. It's distracting.

No real substance. "Architected a scalable web application". What kind of web applciation? What's interesting or relevant about it? etc? Basically same point as r_e said above.

To be clear: it's a good starting point, and you have good experience. But, you're not selling yourself. Accomplishments like 40%, 15 hours, 30%, etc, aren't the footnotes, not the important parts.

[dull arrow]

Thanks, really thanks, I'll update it soon

[fringe sphinx]

Also, first project github link is dead. And, for a text resume, better to show the entire URL rather than a link. You'll submit this as PDFs and URLs are often broken.

[dull arrow]

Thanks, really helpful

[fringe sphinx]

Also, what's your work authorization? Are you actually in the US?

If you are authorized to work in US, should say so... first question someone would ask.

[dull arrow]

I'm not in US, worked remotely

[dull arrow]

Thanks for your help, btw, could we keep in touch? Actually I'm in need of help in such techs like Resume writing, etc

[fringe sphinx]

Just use this channel, we don't DM a lot here.

[dull arrow]

ok, thanks

[gritty rivet]

Please delete and read the #rules . There are job board links in the channel description

[errant thicket]

hello here is my final updated resume i fixed typos and all is this good enough so i could now apply to help desk jobs?

do i need to tweak anything when applying to help desk jobs or just apply with my resume i have now ?

[errant thicket]

@rigid idol

[rigid idol]

it's quality very bad bro i can't read anything

[errant thicket]

are you sure it’s shows good quality on my screen?

[rigid idol]

my bad its ok 😂

[errant thicket]

what you can see my resume?

[rigid idol]

yes

[errant thicket]

ok thanks

[rigid idol]

actually its not good

[errant thicket]

its not what should i do?

[rigid idol]

There is no skills section
There is no project section
Most of the things defined in the resume have nothing to do with technology

You can search on YouTube "how to make a good resume to get hired in the company"

and have a good article for you

https://manimozaffar.github.io/awesome-resumes/

read this its very very helpful

[faint depot]

Theres still typos and grammatical errors. Go to your uni/colleges career advisor to proof read and help you with your resumes

[vapid jay]

yooo, boot.dev is definitely gonna get my ahh hired.

Like I'm learning mroe in a few weeks than I have in a year.

[errant thicket]

thanks so my resume was bad

[red heron]

I am trying to get a general understanding of Python, I have downloaded "A Byte of Python" book and PyCharm editor, has anyone taken other routes to start learning this language, I have no prior programming knowledge.

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is a right channel if you're just getting started!

[red heron]

appreciate it, thanks!

[lethal vale]

Funny.

[gritty rivet]

Every resume starts bad. And then it gets slightly better the more you get feedback and revise it. You've already had several actionable suggestions here about how to do that. Don't be discouraged, just get to work

It doesn't hurt to start applying for jobs sooner than later so that you get a better handle on your local market as you continue to revise, but I would make at least one round of revisions first in the case.

I agree that projects and skills sections would be good. If help desk is your goal, projects are less important but a skills section is standard

Bullet points for the descriptions could help a lot

r/ITCareerQuestions has a weekly resume thread and you might get more relevant input there

Personally when I was applying for help desk, I got way more traction after I had the ConpTIA A+ cert on my resume. You could list it as "in progress" if you're working on it

The fact that you have a CS degree makes me think you might even want to aim higher. But for anything beyond help desk, projects will be key (and depending on what kind of role, certs too)

Feel free to post here again if you make substantial revisions. Like I said it usually takes a lot of passes.

[lethal vale]

Mammoth Interactive has a good free Python course.

[red heron]

ok, I will check that out for sure

[true harness]

scroll up to the last time you asked. you seem to have regressed to an older version of your resume

[open ivy]

I feel healthier and more productive if I don't think of my job as an absolute necessity. Instead, I conceptualize it as a very nice thing to have and a place to grow.

If I was an AI instead of an ape, this strategy wouldn't be necessary. But animals lose health if stress is high for too long and so dialing back the weights has helped me. Which is not an issue with silicon-based computers.

[peak halo]

I'm not sure what point you're making. Do you have a question?

[surreal bolt]

okay, prove your abilities, highlight projects that are relevant to the types of roles you are targeting

and show some detailed descriptions of your approach to solving problem, like how you did something

[visual flax]

What do you guys think of a recommendation system, web scrape with pandas visualization, and a reinforcement learning game

[vapid jay]

@lost cedar

[vapid jay]

I am a intermediate python programmer, So I would recommend going to CodewithHarry.com and taking his notes as he teaches in Hindi I'm not sure if your Hindi or not.

Idk if this counts as advertising if this does please warn me

[astral egret]

@inner wren i needs to help

[vapid jay]

is it a good strategy to learn backend as it's the most skill in demand, or learn a more niche thing since people are swarming into it

[crisp stream]

!cban 1230722731750854656 Racism is not tolerated here. Also, don't bring off-server drama here.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @tacit birch permanently.

[gritty rivet]

It depends on you (your interests and talents) as well as your local market conditions. You can also do both and have different versions of your resume, one more general and one highly specialized

[vapid jay]

my local market conditions are not a concern since i'm willing to work remotely (there's no chance for juniors here).
i'm not particularly interested in backend

You can also do both and have different versions of your resume, one more general and one highly specialized.
it's not that simple is it?

[fringe sphinx]

Breadth is better than depth, especially so when starting out. Specialization is for insects.

[fringe sphinx]

Why isn't it?

[vapid jay]

you don't just slab skills into your resume, you need to learn those things

[fringe sphinx]

The sentence was: ...you can do both and have different versions... meaning: you don't need to only learn one thing.

[vapid jay]

yeah?

[austere badge]

having a problem solving mindset rather than sticking to one thing helped me land an internship then a job. joined as a python intern, currently doing elixir 💀

so I also agree that breadth is important, unless you want to freelance I guess

[vapid jay]

brother, you're either highly fortunate or started applying early, you don't apply for jobs with "problem solving mindset" in your resume

[austere badge]

no but you apply it to leetcode, and technical interview

[vapid jay]

apply what to leetcode?

[fringe sphinx]

Obviously they applied early, to land an internship. Breadth, not specialization, is the way.

[austere badge]

Of course. luck is a factor

you're competing with a lot of people

[vapid jay]

specialization as in learning less demanded skills (OSdev, networking, graphics, compiler design, etc.)

[fringe sphinx]

Your original question was about what you should focus on learning.

[fringe sphinx]

Specialization as in: focusing on only one skill.

[vapid jay]

that depends on how you define "one skill"

[fringe sphinx]

I think my language is pretty clear. Generalize, don't specialize.

[austere badge]

I think he's saying like doing only backend instead of backend in python like that

[vapid jay]

no

[vapid jay]

i don't think so but it's okay

[fringe sphinx]

I'll leave it with the GOAT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QxI-RP6-HM

[vapid jay]

watched this video, he's basically telling you to touch grass, don't know how it's related to my question.

[fringe sphinx]

It's a short video. And his first point is not touch grass.

Anyway, do whatever you choose. You asked whether you should focus on a niche subject, and my answer is no, not imo

[vapid jay]

well thanks for the advice.

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, also, one reason I say this is: if you have a real passion or interest in a subject, that's one thing... lots of people learn niches because they want to. But to learn some niche just to try to get a job? That's not usually rewarding

[vapid jay]

I just think it will be equally as hard if you touch the surface of each field without actually making anything significant,
which is the only choice for someone with a limited amount of time like myself

[hearty island]

ofc my boss assigns me stuff over labor day weekend

[vapid jay]

pieces of fucking shit stealing the resting day of others while setting on their asses.

[fringe sphinx]

In professional world, some deadlines don't have the luxury of weekends.

[vapid jay]

That's in slavery world

[hearty island]

nah it’s alright, easy deliverable

[fringe sphinx]

If you want the big bucks, can't expect to mail it in.

[hearty island]

i got this

[silent spire]

do programmers actually prefer firefox over chrome?

[vapid jay]

it's the default on most Linux distros so it's more popular

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know of anyone with firefox as main right now. I'm sure they're out there, but professional I and my peers use chrome.

[silent spire]

ah i see

[cedar furnace]

yeah its mostly chrome and safari

ive met a few who use edge as well, never a firefox user tho

[coral wyvern]

Hello.
How about your weekend?
Do you need help?
I am developer & designer.
I have 8 years of experience.
And I have some dev team and discord channel.
If you are interested, Send me message.

[vapid jay]

Genuine question, I want to become a software engineer, but I’m stuck between where to start, as people use a variety of languages in their arsenal, and I don’t know which languages to append to my skill set.

I’ve also tried to consider .net development, but I’m not that well informed on it. I think the pay is decent, but software engineers make more I’m assuming and it’s also more in demand.

Any advice?

[red heron]

I appreciate the recommendation , I am not hindi, so that route will not work for me

[vapid jay]

You need help with Python?

Personally, I really like tech with tim, consider his beginner tutorial on Python.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzMcBGfZo4-mFu00qxl0a67RhjjZj3jXm&si=bWi96cUr_A-T_43B

Also Pycharm is a little heavy weight, I’d also recommend visual studio code, which you can find here https://code.visualstudio.com/

[dire hinge]

Long time no see, I have a very profitable project recently

[dire hinge]

中国人？

[vapid jay]

Books I think are more helpful when you’re intermediate, not necessary a beginner in Python, to sort of open the window into programming, you should aim for a person explaining the things to you, books can help but I wouldn’t recommend it, take it with a grain of salt, as I have a bias ( I hate books )

[near ocean]

.net is a platform for development and jobs requiring it are software engineer jobs
You can start with python since this is a python server

[vapid jay]

I’m not Chinese, I js liked the name

[vapid jay]

I’ve learned intermediate ish Python, I should dwell into libraries, what kinds of languages must one master to enter the field?

Libraries can be looked into after ofc, but language wise what’s needed? Does every software engineer need to learn .net dev? I don’t think so..

[near ocean]

There are no required languages to know, look at your local market to figure out what is in demand

[dire hinge]

Are you also a programmer

[vapid jay]

Indeed.com??

[near ocean]

(and go to uni if you haven't yet)

[red heron]

ok, nice, I have read the intro of "A Byte of Python" and it is ok, I have PyCharm , so far so good, was looking for alternative suggestions for me who has zero prior knowledge

[dire hinge]

I am currently working on a flash sale project. Do you have any opinions

[red heron]

Thank you, agreed Pycharm is more than I need at this point

[vapid jay]

Who?

@near ocean I’m considering it, I don’t like the idea of uni, but I’ll see if I can go, as I think I’d do better self-learning. I’ve done better learning myself than through teachers in person, as the pro of uni is that it provides a roadmap only and you do the rest

[vapid jay]

Consider installing visual studio code, I’ve provided the link and then you just follow along via the regular procedure. It’s also what I started off with, also do you have Python installed?

[red heron]

doing that rn

[near ocean]

Uni also provides access to experts and an easier time to network
(And also the paper saying you did what you were supposed to)

[dire hinge]

API interface decryption is too difficult

[vapid jay]

That’s when GitHub comes into play

[vapid jay]

What’s that?

[vapid jay]

Did you install Python and add to it to your path?

[dire hinge]

Product details interface

[dire hinge]

How long have you been studying

[vapid jay]

I stopped, I didn’t know what to do. I’m stopping until I know what to learn, I’m just waiting. I’ve been looking into videos regarding software engineering, kind of lost on what languages I need to learn.

I wanted to learn c++ thinking I’d make more money 😅

[dire hinge]

Why not learn reverse engineering

[vapid jay]

Idk, not my thing

Gotta focus on software engineering

[dire hinge]

Which countrymen are you

[vapid jay]

If you haven’t installed Python, then go to https://www.python.org/downloads/ and click download Python 3.12.5 and add it to path if yk how, if not then ask and I can probably try finding a video to assist you @red heron

@dire hinge idk wym by countrymen, I’m in the UK tho

[true harness]

how does github give you those things?

[red heron]

I have already installed Python 3.12.5

[thorny wing]

Hey guys, so im laerning python in general because i want to start programmig, im learning through a website called mimo and its been helping me much learn python, what should i focus on if i want to start coding game and cybersecurity?

[vapid jay]

Allows you to show off your projects and work

[gritty rivet]

Employers have a different perspective. Even if you're right that you can learn what you need to learn more efficiently without the structure of a degree program (very doubtful) it doesn't matter. Most employers won't look at you without one.

[vapid jay]

I think C++ is better for games

[true harness]

what about the experts and networking

[vapid jay]

Are you an employer?

@true harness discord exists

But I see your point, university would be helpful indeed, and that’s undeniable

[red heron]

My literal neigbor is from the UK but I am in the united states

[vapid jay]

Uk on top

[thorny wing]

How big is the focus for programming?

[vapid jay]

Wdym

[dire hinge]

Eeee

[vapid jay]

Am I wrong? If so, please correct me

[thorny wing]

I mean i started with python because its the easiest one but i still dont know what will i focus on nor what proyects ill do with python

[idle oyster]

python is a good start

[vapid jay]

Continue with Python

You won’t be able to handle C++ and its structure until you understand the basics of Python and JS and the way they’re formatted

[thorny wing]

alright thanks

[red heron]

My buddy gave me the book: Modern CMake for C++, and as I read the intro I thought I should have a little programming knowledge first , so I decided to learn Python, still no ultimate project

[vapid jay]

What’s your end goal, why do you wanna study c++?

[dire hinge]

I think reverse engineering on mobile devices and Android is very profitable!

[red heron]

I actually do not know, I just wanted to learn something new, if anything I just want to be able to monitor my own home network

[dire hinge]

I think reverse engineering on mobile devices and Android is very profitable!

Black and Grey Industries

[red heron]

Definitely interested in Castiel's idea as well

[dire hinge]

hhhhh

[vapid jay]

…

Monitor your own home network? What do you mean by that?

[true harness]

networking online is different from people you can meet and work with in real life

[vapid jay]

100%, no doubt

[dire hinge]

Money is too difficult to earn.

[red heron]

I actually do not know my ultimate goal with Python I just wanted to learn it and see how I can apply it , I am currently interested in networking and mobile devices

[vapid jay]

Cloud development maybe or iOS app dev

[dire hinge]

Some risk controls are difficult to bypass

[red heron]

I eventually would like to host a server for my own files and photos and such amongst some things I guess

[dire hinge]

What did you learn

[vapid jay]

Bingo

[red heron]

After doing some reading I figured Python would be a better first language than C++, thank you for the Tech with Tim tuturial links , starting them in a bit here , also have VSC per your rec. thank you again, are there any books for beginners you would recommend

I work in networking and am starting to study for the CCNA with the 2nd edition OCG , I wanted to learn a programming language in general and apply it to my career down the line maybe in cloud or security , do not really know just yet

Thanks again 龙 ... cheers!

[mossy forge]

Hi .
Anyone here have an idea to enter an university outside the country?? . I want advices

I'm 16 . And feel bad when I see ppl at my age with already full resumes. + Pls don't tell me to have a part time Job 😭

[mossy forge]

Outside country= any good country that uses french or English

[near ocean]

You look up the university you want to apply to, there should be a page with equivalent qualifications for your country

[mossy forge]

Tbh . I have a lot of things that I want to follow up in a university. I have 2 years for now . I just wanna know how to make my resume full

[near ocean]

For example, UCL's CS degree lists equivalent quals for other countries
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/undergraduate/degrees/computer-science-bsc#tab3-other

[mossy forge]

Pls explain to me in simpler words( this is my first time trying to do something productive)

[buoyant seal]

for gaming it is common to go C# and C++ if they are desktop ones 🤔
Probably web games are developed also, in this Javascript/Typescript stuff
And android games should be there too, in this case Java/Kotlin

[mossy forge]

• doing a lot of sports can work?? Should I prove that I master every sport??

[balmy spade]

Many engines are multi-platform. The limit is the type of game you are building, not the language (choose the game then pick the engine that supports it). https://enginesdatabase.com/

I would suggest for @thorny wing to focus on the CS courses to start. Cyber security is a specialist branch so all of the knowledge you learn starting will transfer into it. Game dev is a also a bit of a specialist branch in its own way. Depends if you're going into music or art design, story boarding, project management, ect. All of those can be explored in your first year or two of university with plenty of flexibility (in most countries) to pick where you want to go.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't worry about resume. If you want to be good, practice by building projects. When you've done that, the resume almost writes itself.

[fringe sphinx]

And if you're still pre-Uni: learn your maths and challenge yourself. Find the fun in math.

[mossy forge]

I understand maths .I'm 2 year in high school and still find it easy

[frozen knot]

hello
how can i add a python project to the glitch website?

[fleet reef]

The same as any other project

[frozen knot]

glitch supports node.js
but I heard that I can add a Python project to it

[fleet reef]

Oh wow this is way different then the last time I used it

[crisp stream]

see #❓｜how-to-get-help
this is #career-advice

[orchid wadi]

guys were do i find the general chat of this server ?

[balmy spade]

Depends. If you want python discussion it's here: #python-discussion , if you want free-for-all it would be offtopic #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[orchid wadi]

ohhhh understandable , thank uuu : D

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, my point is to challenge yourself with math. You haven't gotten to the 'good' stuff yet. Linear algebra, stats, discrete math are all fascinating topics topics

[true harness]

being at the top of your math class is a lot worse for your math growth than being near the bottom of your local/school math club. the "pond" is bigger

[fringe sphinx]

Hah, that's also true for sports!

[true harness]

that's why people invented, "never be the smartest in the room"

[mossy forge]

Really

In school I'm already not the best but I'm good to better than 60% than others . I would learn other maths classes outside school

[mossy forge]

I don't really understand... How being bad at a sport is good???

[balmy spade]

I think the lack of challenge from a structured learning environment stunting growth is slightly different than the inability to learn from others because you think you're the smartest in the room. They seem similar, though.

[mossy forge]

I'm not the smartest. I just want to have a cool job and more freedom

School wasn't that hard the real problems are teachers with mental problems and toxic camardes and teachers

[true harness]

is that what that saying means? i always interpreted it as not being able to learn from anyone

[fringe sphinx]

I'm going to go dad mode for a moment: forget about school. School isn't the goal; your learning is. Math is a huge field, a field that you haven't yet explored. You want to be exceptional? Learn, read, expand your horizons

[balmy spade]

I suppose you could take it both ways. If you are the most informed in the room you might not be challenged by that environment. Hence it is on you to provide the challenge. Something many people don't learn right away.
On the other hand, thinking you're the expert in the room can lead to closing down learning opportunities before exploring them. It sets your mindset up to think "there's nothing to learn here" which, in the case of a room of people, is just wrong.

[fringe sphinx]

Just change your mindset. School is something you have to do, but find the fun in math and learning outside of school. School has a way of making subjects boring.

[balmy spade]

100% agree; learning is the goal. Learn, grow, and repeat.

[vapid jay]

You can still take his English notes from the website tho.

[hearty island]

time to touch grass and take a walk

[balmy spade]

Odd plug here but good luck on your journey.

[mossy forge]

Thx bro. I'll learn maths and c# and also I wanna try diving

[faint depot]

This is what someone should have told me back when I was 16

[mossy forge]

Don't look at the past only look to future ( I said that to you early)

[fringe sphinx]

Would you have listened?

[faint depot]

I appreciate the advice kid. I'll also say this; don't focus on getting the highest grades because it'll consume you. Only get the grades you need and thats it

[true harness]

if you aim low, you will never be able to reach high 😉

[faint depot]

Probably yeah. No one ever really told me to stop with the excessive studying I did. I was so consumed with the studies and yet no one thought to just sit me down and tell me theres more to life than studying.

[balmy spade]

You need the past. It defines who you are and gives you the tools needed to choose who you will be tomorrow. If you ignore, or lose, the past you spend all of your energy trying to redefine who you are today with no ability to plan for tomorrow until there is enough of you to move forward. You just drift.

[mossy forge]

I need them all + family pressure. They say if you can do it then you should do it ( if not I'm dead)

[faint depot]

Fly too close to the sun and you may fall

[mossy forge]

I've listened

Eat all the bananas and then there is no more bananas in the world'

[true harness]

yes, you could burn out, but that is a different issue than not trying in the first place

[faint depot]

Then, I don't think you should aim for the highest grades in that regard. Unless you can manage the stress or you are highly intelligent, don't. I had the intellect but couldn't manage the stress so I failed. Work as smart as you can if you want the highest grades; focus on learning how to do the exam rather than learning the content. Study with people, don't study by yourself all the time

[fringe sphinx]

My pro tip is: read history books on computing and math. Books with not a lot of formulas. See/appreciate the big picture

[true harness]

focus on learning how to do the exam rather than learning the content
this is possibly the worst advice i have ever read in this chat. this is single handedly the best way to not understand anything and score poorly on exams. test taking strategy is important, but it can't save you from not knowing the content

[faint depot]

thats the way exams work in the UK for A levels and GCSEs. The questions from previous papers are so similar, you're better off learning how to do the exams rather than learning the content. Believe me it works for a lot of people. For university exams, you must learn the content or else you fail

[true harness]

so you are suggesting a plan that will fail when it matters

[faint depot]

No. It literally is how exams work in the UK for GCSEs and A levels. If you dont believe me, go ask the other UK users in the discord or go look it up on the internet

[mossy forge]

nah. I prefer straight formulas and rules. I hate history and long talks

[true harness]

sure, i believe that. but if it's not going to work in uni, what's the point? why not develop actual studying strategies that will work in uni and beyond

[mossy forge]

i hate also visuals

[faint depot]

which country are you from and how do exams work in your country? are questions on your exam papers totally different from previous years?

[smoky quest]

Power is nothing without control

[faint depot]

dont blame me. blame the education system in the UK. Everyone tells you in the UK, when you go to uni, all what you learn in secondary and colleges you throw out the window

[true harness]

i'm pretty sure studying strategies will carry over

[mossy forge]

morocco and we got a whole big exam at the end this year about no scientific classes and next year is a big exam in scientific classes and jts the biggest and most important

if i get a good grade this year it can cover next year a little bit

[mossy forge]

they are now trying new ways of questions 😭

[faint depot]

They somewhat do but with uni, you dont have access to past papers and the question are kinda random, so you actually have to learn the content. in the UK, for GCSEs aand A levels, you can gain free access for the past decades worth of offical exams papers to practice on. most of the time, the questions in the upcoming exams will be similar to previous years, only with some difference to make it not a copy of previous years

[true harness]

so...studying the content is the best strategy?

[smoky quest]

Would your answer be different if you had access to past papers in uni?

[faint depot]

in that case, learn the content as much as you can, practice on past papers. you shoudl do fine

[faint depot]

only for uni. gcse and a levels, learn the content to grasp an idea of the concepts and then spend 90% of the time learning to do the exam.

[faint depot]

no. i think with uni its far more different as each uni has its own way of teaching and examination. past papers would help in uni in terms of trying to learn the content. i would have benefited from past papers as I find difficult wiht coming up with effective questions for flash cards

[vapid jay]

You can know all the content, but without exam technique you’re screwed 😬

[faint depot]

exactly. In the UK, learning the exams for gcses and a levels are far more important than learning the content unfortunately

[vapid jay]

I’m in my final year of sixth form, starts sept 5th

[faint depot]

good luck bro. i hope you smash it.

maths a levels (and gcses) you have to actually learn how to do the maths. thats why i consider maths my strongest subject as it forces me to learn rather than to memorise

[near ocean]

This mindset results in kids crying on exam day because AQA or edexcel decided to add a "weird" question in the exam that kids didn't "practice" for

Happens every single time and its never not funny

[vapid jay]

Lmao.. I failed maths

[long sequoia]

hi I am going to uni soon, would a maths degree complement compsci related fields or not worth it

[faint depot]

and most the time, its an easy fucking question to answer

[near ocean]

Not when you study the exam and not the content

[faint depot]

just keep practicing on maths questions. go thorugh every maths exercise in the textbooks they gave you

[faint depot]

skill issue (i failed all my a levels)

[night kraken]

how to get a job

you also need to remember a whole lot of formulas

[near ocean]

No you dont, youre given any formula you need or want

[night kraken]

👀

sounds haven

[radiant vortex]

Technically yes, in reality you're going to want to memorise some - but the more practice questions you do, the more it becomes easier to recall and you'll memorise it naturally

You don't have time to be going through the formula booklet trying to find the formula for those that are commonly needed

[fringe sphinx]

Lots of things complement CS. Maths is increasingly important in AI/ML, and a strong math background opens up certain types of CS jobs. Not necessary, many SWE jobs have almost no math.

[radiant vortex]

There's just not enough time you get, most people don't even finish the entire paper

This is coming from somebody who did their A-Level exam this year and got a B

[quasi pebble]

Guy's a career related question. I have done my Bechloars degree in COMPUTER SCIENCE. I am currently 24 in a different field. Is it difficult now to get a good salary or should I stick to my own field ? My current company and field are good but don't have much future / higher pay in it . So I would be starting from scratch. Although I am thinking that in the end it could pay up

[near ocean]

My friends and I always had plenty of time doing a levels
The most awkward part was waiting for someone else to be the first to get up

[fringe sphinx]

Give us more context. What have you been doing?

[radiant vortex]

When did you do your A-Levels and what exam board?

[near ocean]

2013-14 edexcel for maths

[radiant vortex]

Wdym "get up"? Everybody stays till the exam is over

[near ocean]

Nah they let us leave if we were done

[radiant vortex]

Ah, lol, yeah they completely revamped the syllabus from 2017 so your experiences will be completely different

Yeah, it's not like that anymore

[quasi pebble]

It is sales. Third party.. from Verizon. Working from Computer only

[fringe sphinx]

Look into sales engineering or systems engineering jobs: a hybrid of sales and technical work, as a bridge.

[quasi pebble]

I see.

[faint depot]

I did my a levels between 2017-2020 (took a third year for personal reasons). worst years of my life

[balmy spade]

Also project management, business analyst, and business support. You have sales experience, that's a powerful proof of solid communication skills.

[radiant vortex]

Sorry to hear that

[fringe sphinx]

More broadly: be the sum of your experience.... build your story

[radiant vortex]

You would have been the first to do the new syllabus (for maths)

[weary sage]

I’m 27 and deeply interested in AI but no background in CS tho I currently have an undergraduate commitment to Electrical Engineering degree with just 2yrs to go..
Is it too late to make a switch? If No, what’s the best and fastest way to start. + I have some background in python

[fringe sphinx]

In terms of switching: that's a conversation with your Uni to see how many additional courses you'd need to take.

[radiant vortex]

Nice!

[pine sleet]

working in AI often requires a master's degree, so you can either switch your UG now or you can do your ug in EE and do a master's in AI or similar

[faint depot]

i was. we had so many issues with the new textbooks due to printing error (e.g. wed have the wrong answers on the answer page XD). I did further maths and we had to have a free replacement core pure maths textbook becasue all the answers were wrong

[radiant vortex]

Yeah teacher predicted grades went crazy lol

[fringe sphinx]

But, regardless: you can practice programming on your own and get pretty good in two years if you apply yourself. Start by hanging out in #python-discussion

[radiant vortex]

Even now some of the answers are wrong, so it must have been super bad then

I also did FM, but only the first year (AS)

[fringe sphinx]

and there are roles in AI for EE's.

[weary sage]

Great.. but what’s the best way to start? Assuming this process is going to be a self taught

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in PyDis about learning Python. They can give you resources

[smoky quest]

What is your current job?

[faint depot]

if i did my a level exams, i wouldve failed. ended up getting BEU and then there was uproar about the government in the way they calculated predicted grade for our actual grade so ended up getting it raised to BDD

[weary sage]

I currently have a course centered at embedded systems… do you see any opportunity for AI in that

[weary sage]

Its complicated brother

[smoky quest]

It always is

[faint depot]

which country are you doing your degree in?

[quasi pebble]

Will look into that . Thanks again
.Due to financial condition first I have started it .. it's paying good for a first job . but I am anxious. I know i could earn more which I really need as i have my mother to take care of. Do you think a graduate can earn 38k pounds in around 2 years of experience in the UK / LONDON? I am Sorry to ask if you are not from there

[weary sage]

Nigeria

[near ocean]

Yes

[fringe sphinx]

AI involves massive computing requirements, which involves many data center complexities. There are companies at every level trying to build a better AI infrastructure. I can imagine there's many EE roles in that world.

[smoky quest]

yeah, there are tons of opportunities to integrate AI in EE. (see tinyml for instance)

[quasi pebble]

That's great.

[fringe sphinx]

I would suggest focusing on finding people from your country who have done what you want to do. Navigating immigration, job market, education is complex and any advice we might have is going to be not very relevant.

Or at least find someone who immigrated from outside Europe to London

[weary sage]

It’s a pretty new domain here .. so I’d say it’s not that mainstream at least not yet. If any, they’re going to be inaccessible or probably doesn’t doesn’t even based here

[mossy forge]

let's come back 10 years later to this server and say if we really made it

[weary sage]

Yeah I saw tinyml and try to jump in…but lots of things feels esoteric to me like microprocessors, microcontroller, etc..
They were doing something with Tensorflow, etc…

So I thought it’d be great if I go through a course on embedded systems first which I’m currently enrolled in.. (online)..

Just wanted to see if there’s something more interesting to do

[fringe sphinx]

Getting good at coding is always a good thing, regardless.

[long sequoia]

thanks

also im sure maybe it differs in some places, but im planning to do engineering degree and go into software engineering, instead of doing a cs degree. I know courses overlap, is this something I should heavily think about? just cuz I heard the cs course at my uni isnt that good

[pine sleet]

plenty of people do engineering degrees and go into software development. you can even do a CS minor if you'd like

[night kraken]

yeah, but is software dev still the hot thing anymore

[pine sleet]

why's it matter if it's a hot thing

[night kraken]

I am a software dev toobut, i am talking about degrees

[night kraken]

jobs

[pine sleet]

i mean i guess. but it's not that big of a deal

if you are really interested in software engineering and want a career in it, a cs degree is the path of least resistance and most oppurtunities

[night kraken]

yeah

[pastel quail]

I was wondering if anyone has feedback for my resume? thank you!

[smoky quest]

yep. these are the things you will along your classes

[gritty rivet]

Impressive!

[smoky quest]

• Not clear what is a Program
• I would love to see more impact and the show, don't tell. So add things you think were cool, difficult and challenging parts, etc.

[night kraken]

looks good

[true harness]

for "gridMODEL", i think you should mention specifics about what you did to integrate the frontend and backend. (rest api? message queue? graphql?), and what technologies were used for front and backend

overall, you have a lot of different entries, but not a lot of detail for each. to r_e's point, it would help to add detail so that you are showing and not telling

[pastel quail]

ok, thanks for the advice, i’ll try to implement more details and stuff!

[fringe sphinx]

At t first glance, this is a good resume. The main thing I really appreciate is the 'did xyz using abc to do def' format. A lot of people forget one of these pieces (or over emphasize some made up impact statement)

[fringe sphinx]

Make sure to add newer projects, stuff from current year... and you can reduce number of bullets in leadership items.

[quiet crystal]

nice template, can you share it?

[long sequoia]

overall they should mostly offer the same opportunities and job range mostly right? im not too sure what I want to do yet in this field but I can always change still

[smoky quest]

nothing is every binary.
So think about it as a distance function. The closer you are to your target, the easier it is

As such, some things might be closer to you and some others further. If they were "mostly the same opportunities and job range", then we would be talking about "mostly the same thing"

[long sequoia]

Sorry I’m a bit stupid it’s 6am 😥 could you please elaborate

So it could make a big difference later on depdning on what I want to do?

[smoky quest]

indeed

[long sequoia]

Damn 😢, wish life was longer so I didn’t need to stress about these things

[smoky quest]

you have plenty of time

[thorny wing]

You mean CS as cybersecurity or a coding language?

[balmy spade]

computer science*, didn't been to get the two confused.

[thorny wing]

oooh

[blazing vale]

Does my college GPA matter?

[hearty island]

for certain stuff, yea. keep it like at a 3.5 or higher

[balmy spade]

What type of stuff does it matter for?

[blazing vale]

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[still condor]

!ban @wind radish You have already been told that we are not an ad board.

[inner wren]

:x: User is already permanently banned (#99361).

[gritty rivet]

If you're still in school or just graduated and it's impressive, then put it on your resume. If not, probably don't.

[pastel quail]

I think it's just the jake's resumé template from overleaf

[vapid jay]

Genuine question, I want to become a software engineer, but I’m stuck between where to start, as people use a variety of languages in their arsenal, and I don’t know which languages to append to my skill set.

I’ve also tried to consider .net development, but I’m not that well informed on it. I think the pay is decent, but software engineers make more I’m assuming and it’s also more in demand.

Any advice?

[pine sleet]

start off with whichever one you want. software engineers must be good at picking up new languages and technologies quickly, and you can't always know every single thing a company uses before being hired (so there's a lot of on-the-job learning)

[vapid jay]

How do you land your first job? I want to learn a set of languages to have in my arsenal and libraries and ways of working

[pine sleet]

make some projects, the languages and libraries will come naturally from that.

as for landing a job - can you tell us more about yourself? background? education? previous work exp?

[lofty sigil]

I believe Java has most jobs, here me out. Python - easy to get in so most people try to land a job

[lofty sigil]

Then JS- to be really honest nowadays everyone wants to be a frontend developer

[balmy spade]

The language isn't as important as the experience. Build projects, learn, and grow your knowledge.

[vapid jay]

I’ve touched on Python quite a bit, haven’t gone into libraries. I’ve learned a bit of html and css, not necessarily js as I thought it would be required only when I make websites..

I’ve also touched a little on c++, just to sort of taste the chilli, and I’ve done a bit of c# in school.

I’ve not necessarily had any work experience, I’ve worked at this cyber security firm for a week for work experience, therefore it doesn’t necessarily mean anything, I forgot everything, as it was a few years back.

I’m currently 17, with GCSEs finished, I’ve completed my first year of sixth form (a-levels), and I don’t know whether I’ll get into my second year.

I’m unemployed, so it’s just me starting out from scratch, basically.

[vapid jay]

But how do you become a software-engineer 😬

[lofty sigil]

Then there most hyped languages like GO - jobs are less

Finally something like c# or Java - good starting point jobs are plenty

[true harness]

.net developers are software engineers

[vapid jay]

Is there a traditional set of languages that you need to know?

[balmy spade]

No.

[vapid jay]

I know, they also make a lot of money, but what’s the more traditional route

[lofty sigil]

No, but to land your first job it's important

[balmy spade]

Again, projects drive the languages you'll learn. Learn how to program and you can use any language. When you are looking at employers, ask them what languages they use.

[vapid jay]

Where can I find employers? Should I go to companies in person?

[lofty sigil]

Its imp when you start your career. After 2-3 yoe no one career about your language but concepts like system design big data

[thorny wing]

Is this good for someone who started a week ago ?

[balmy spade]

Knowing how to program is important, I agree.

[balmy spade]

Depends on where you are. I imagine most places world-wide have job sites for applying.

[true harness]

linkedin, job fairs, conferences

[fringe sphinx]

are you planning on Uni?

[vapid jay]

London

[vapid jay]

Somewhat, if I manage to finish my A-Levels or undergo a repeat year, chances are that I will go to Uni, but I’m really tempted to take the self-learning route

[balmy spade]

If you have the ability to take uni, do it. You can self-learn while going to uni.

[vapid jay]

I was thinking along-side a normal job I self-learn, I’ve learned everything myself, school taught me nothing

[vapid jay]

That’s also a fair point, but how am I gonna balance work, uni and self-learning

[fringe sphinx]

There's a lot of folks here from UK, you may want to ask them their advice on Uni. I know what I'd say, but I'm in US.

[balmy spade]

The same way you balance anything, with practice.

[vapid jay]

Some people call it a waste of time, I feel like the most important thing from Uni is that it helps land internships

[fringe sphinx]

it's very popular to hate on Uni. There's always some truth to it, but what you read is going to be one sided.

[lofty sigil]

I will tell my story

I started with python did one year extensively doing DSA + leetcode and building projects deploying on cloud using docker using github action to automate the stuffs.

After a year I didn't land any job or was getting low paid offers like 100 $ per month. Finally decided to join an internship which paid like 120 $.

working like 10-12 hours a day, worked in that shit for 3 months.

Then started looking for a full time role, realized python is GOOD TO KNOW LANG

Took one year break due to all the fucking stress, and

Finally started working in sales, now earning 500$ per month.

[fringe sphinx]

But, speaking as a US hiring manager: right now, we won't interview a junior hire that doesn't have a degree. That's somethign you should ask about / learn about: what jobs will be available to you/etc.

[vapid jay]

What’s something that would make one stand out from most? And what kinds of resumes and languages are in trend?

[lofty sigil]

Then reason why I suggest learning something like JAVA or C# because no one want to do it.

Remember DOING HARD THING PAYS.

[lofty sigil]

Plus all the utuber won't accept but they started with shitty language like C/C++/JAVA that's why they have solid concepts.

[balmy spade]

What?

[lofty sigil]

I don't mean they are shity lang. Nowadays people call them shity. I am learning Java

[balmy spade]

Demonstrable skills are what stand out, usually.

[umbral frigate]

There's not really too much of an advantage by learning Java instead of Python. It depends on your skill set and your proficiency.

[true harness]

👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏

[lofty sigil]

I agree but bro I am not blaming Python, I still used everyday when I scrap data.

I had a very bad experience with finding jobs as a developer who only knows python. That all I am saying

[balmy spade]

That's why a developer should learn how to program by building projects. Pick the language that fits the project, complete something, and keep going. You'll always have your go-to language.

[lofty sigil]

Now as I am working in tech sales, when I speak with CTO / CIO they don't have a single lang for a whole project. And when we build some projects for them they have only one requirement we don't want to update regularly and this should not have an issue when they upgrade.

We also do maintenance, so last client I closed has built full backend in Java, some golang code.

We asked why Java. He replied its easier to replace developers.

[warm relic]

hey guys, what language would you recommend i learn if i want to get into software dev? ik python and the tiniest bit of html, css and js but i want to learn a new language

[fringe sphinx]

standard answer is: Depends what you want to do for a project.

[warm relic]

is there no language the field in general would prefer?

[fringe sphinx]

it's a giant field, there's almost no wrong answer... except erlang (that's a joke)

[warm relic]

i like making games, but since i only know python, i just make them using pugame

[buoyant seal]

There are two very general multipurpose languages.
Java and Javascript/Typescript.
Both languages are usable for Desktop, Mobile and Web development in different levels of quality 😉

[warm relic]

tyy

[lofty sigil]

Job answers - go on LinkedIn and various job portal find which job has the most openings for junior dev.

JUNIOR {language name} DEVELOPER

[balmy spade]

People truly only hear what they want to hear.

[warm relic]

ty everyone :)

[fringe sphinx]

You could just get better at JS, since web development skills are important and usable in lots of roles.

[warm relic]

is this directed at me? i can’t tell 😭

[warm relic]

okay, thanks :)

[lofty sigil]

Not at you, but to everyone

[fringe sphinx]

If you wanted to build your "data" skills, there's a whole area of Python to learn that you probably don't know yet.

If you want to build more complex games, another option is C# + Unity

(could go on forever with examples)

[umbral frigate]

And if game dev is your passion, you could try Godot + GD Script or Unity

[warm relic]

ooh okay thanks guys

[lofty sigil]

My 2 cents

When we ask these questions we already have an answer in mind?

But when you ask out loud? You can blame everyone.

That's what I did ! 😅

[lofty sigil]

I have a question about this. How good is Godot ? If you have used it ?

[balmy spade]

It was not directed at you. You only provided the spark of thought in my head.

[umbral frigate]

From what I know, Godot has seen a rise in popularity. Probably due to the fact that many game developers weren't satisfied with Unity's ToS some time ago, and the fact that Godot was free and open source attracted the community that it is today.

[inner hemlock]

Godot is nice and easy for 2d games, though I still recommend Unreal Engine

[thorny wing]

Should i switch from python to sql to learn about data bases and cybersecurity?

Or do i finish my python course and then switch to sql

[peak halo]

Python is for "anything", whereas SQL is very specifically for manipulating tabular data. It sounds like you think they're interchangeable.

[smoky quest]

Godot is awesome

[smoky quest]

it depends if your objective is to learn programming or sql or cybersecurity

Why? This does not build trust

[blazing vale]

And then what?

[vapid jay]

Meaning applicable skills?

Very suspicious..

[fringe sphinx]

Deleted, this is too sus

[vapid jay]

I’d be careful with saying you can still see it (they’ll think you’re using a client, which is against TOS)

[solemn whale]

We are Looking For a Tech Head at our Organisation... Requirement of MERN Stack Developer from India

Please Drop Your LinkedIn Profile in the DM

[harsh river]

is there a term for when you ask a company to pay for something you might need?
like a work office or similar? is it just "benefits"?

i.e if i were to ask a company for a coworking space what would that be called, if there is even a term for that?

[smoky quest]

depends on the nature of said request.
For instance, there are home office stipends, benefits, perks, etc.

[harsh river]

i believe home office stipend is the term i was looking for

thank you

[smoky quest]

though I wouldn't use home office stipend for a coworking space

Home office stipend is more like expenses for a chair/desk/monitor

[harsh river]

i think something like
"i would be requesting a home office stipend or in place of that a membership to we-work coworking space"
would make sense

the monthly membership would be less than a full day of work where i currently am so i believe it's a reasonable request

[smoky quest]

yeah makes sense

[vapid jay]

Does the PC get covered by the home-office stipend or? Along with the keyboard and mouse

Also do companies actually offer home-office stipends..?

[kindred oyster]

the laptop is usually provided by the company , seperate from the stipend

they have to provide the laptop regardless of if you work from office or home

[vapid jay]

And if you leave the job, then..?

[kindred oyster]

then you return your laptop before leaving

[vapid jay]

If I work at Apple and get the most recent MacBook Pro, I gotta return it at the end???

[kindred oyster]

most of the times , at most jobs, yes

but some jobs in some rare cases might just let you have it , its subjective

but in almost all cases you can consider yes , you have to return it

[peak halo]

A company will pretty much always issue you a work computer, and that computer will almost certainly be company property that you have to return at the end of your employment, and there are probably rules about how much you're allowed to use it personally.

[vapid jay]

Gonna remove all the hardware before I return it 🤐

[kindred oyster]

thats not how that works
company has an IT department that verifies the device

[peak halo]

This is a different question, since Apple is a computer retailer, and you're describing free product as a benefit.

[peak halo]

That's going to get you in a lot of trouble.

[kindred oyster]

also , if a company is giving you the latest macbook pro to work , your pay will be most likely good
so you dont have to think about stealing parts from a computer

[vapid jay]

I was joking

[smoky quest]

computers are typically provided by the employer for full time employees

[plush summit]

Also i you get windows laptop will most be thinkpads at work?

[vapid jay]

Hi guys, im 15years old and in 9th grade
I know python mostly, im learning java, and I live in india.
So, in india Python with Ai is in high demand, so how do I go about learning ai? I have seen tims vid on ai, but I didn't understand ANYTHING.
Please help me

[vapid jay]

Or I could learn ai later on, so any tips on how to master python?

[smoky quest]

Ai is in high demand

Do you think the situation will still be the same by the time you graduate and start looking for a job like at 22-23 years old?

[vapid jay]

Probably, I don't think anything will replace ai anytime soon

[smoky quest]

sure, like it was 10 years ago.
The point though is to not assume that what you have today will be same in 8 years. So you may want to make sure you do enjoy it prior to getting into it

[vapid jay]

i enjoy Programming a lot and find computer science very fascinating

[twilit portal]

Learn programming and learn math, those two things are very useful when working with AI. I think AI/ML is more of a specialization than something you just learn by itself, although this depends on whether you want to actually understand it or just use existing models someone else made

If you're curious about it AI and Machine Learning, you can check out kaggle https://www.kaggle.com/learn

[vapid jay]

That seems like a useful website, I'll check it out

[smoky quest]

see also the resources linked in #data-science-and-ml

[digital hazel]

@vapid jay yo what language did u use to code your game in your bio?

[vapid jay]

i made it in godot with gdscript

[digital hazel]

oh cool, never tried godot before, is it newbie friendly?

[vapid jay]

very much!

[digital hazel]

just asking cuz i wanna do something more than just coding python on a provided console on an online website. thought making a simple game would help

[violet spire]

Hello everyone! For someone barely looking to get into software development. Do you recommend picking up python first or JavaScript?

[fringe sphinx]

Python is probably the most common first language right now, and is the first language taught in many Universities. If you have career goals in software, it's probably the better first choice. JavaScript is fine too if your main goal is web development.

[near ocean]

This is a python server so the answer is obviously python

[gritty rivet]

It depends what you want to build. If web apps are what interest you, JS wins. But for anything else, Python is probably an easier place to start learning. Either way is fine,.just try one and see if it gets you hooked. If not, try the other.

[devout zenith]

My first language in computing courses was assembler, RPG, Fortran and COBOL

[fringe sphinx]

I hope that was in 1980

🙂

[gaunt rain]

guys
have u guys gone thru internships during ur college time
for the 7th sem?

my question is, if i do in an online mode, does that still count as an "internship"?

[devout zenith]

80 through 82

[carmine heart]

you mean WFH. Yeah it counts i guess

[gaunt rain]

yeah, but yk, there are some companies that provide internship completion certificates for simple tasks that for each task u can do in just 2 hrs
they give u like 4 task for each week, as a 1 month internship
does that really count as an internship?

its not like the person persuing the internship is interacting with any professional in the company or smth

my doubt is, if this is considered as a yes, then i'll sign up for some of these certificate providers

they charge some money for the certificate
other than that, nothing else
i think some dont even take a course to teach any of the technology they use

[carmine heart]

oh genuine companies don't charge you

for internship

[gaunt rain]

idk where to even find such companies now

[sly gulch]

Sure definitely.
I'm from south east asia, nationality wise.
I now live in Melbourne Australia, and I'm planning to staying here.
My speciality is deep learning research, pytorch, so I'm looking for such jobs.
And there are not a lot of such industry job here in Australia, and most of them are in the US.
So it seems that my best chances is to aim for remote DL research jobs in the US.
I'm not intending to immigrate to the US, purely remote.

[buoyant seal]

as a simpler alternative outsourcing global companies can be checked
https://www.dataart.com/ this one i know is very into Deep Learning stuff as example

[sly gulch]

None of it is remote it seems https://www.dataart.team/vacancies?skills=5877

[novel yoke]

Hi, a Question from the Noob:
What kind of careers can you do with a Computer Science degree and knowledge of python. Especially High paying ones which aren't gonna lose value.

[errant thicket]

ok projects i’ll work on my comp thanks mate

[peak halo]

the highest-paying career class that requires a CS degree and which involves Python is probably AI research and development, but that requires lots of additional theoretical knowledge about AI that isn't about Python.

in general, software developers are well-paid. web development and system engineering are some of the domains, which might involve Python to varying extents.

[fringe timber]

Someone please please please teach me coding with python

Please

[sage cliff]

I'm here bro

[silk wyvern]

We're here for you brother

[peak halo]

have you taken on any debt to get the degree?

[peak halo]

only you can teach yourself, but we can help you along the way

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[peak halo]

how many more semesters would it take to finish?

okay, but how many semesters is that?
alternatively, how many semesters have you already done?

[harsh river]

that's roughly 2 more semesters isn't it?

[formal belfry]

Consider getting an internship or apprenticeship if possible. Also, if an option, consider taking some time out to reconsider and potentially try to gain some industry experience. Doing so, you'll discover if it is really for you. In the case of an apprenticeship, depending on where you are, some companies do also sponsor this.

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't change the main objective: get your degree.
Though implementation of it might change but we don't know enough to advise you on that.

What I can tell you is that a bootcamp doesn't even register comparing to a degree and it would lower your future opportunities and compensation

[gritty rivet]

You have no degree at all? Then finish the degree.

Bootcamps are for career changers who have degrees in something else.

I know a handful of SWEs who broke in without degrees in any kind. a) not recently, it's impossible in this market. b) they all went back to school part-time because they know they need degrees to advance but that's so much harder then just getting it done

Change school or change major, maybe. Probably not when you're so far already. It depends on exactly what youre struggling with and what alternatives you have.

Trying to get a degree without support like you're doing is extremely hard, but if you can just push through the rest of your life will be so much easier

[toxic badge]

I’m trying to decide if I should go into aerospace, electrical, or cs. I enjoy aerospace the most, I’m best at cs, and middle ground is electrical

From what I hear cs is over saturated so it would be very hard for me to find a job in that field unless I get really lucky with an internship during college

Is cs still worth going into?

[pine sleet]

yes

all of your options are good job prospects. it really comes down to what you enjoy the most

[toxic badge]

I’d say I like all of them some what equally, my picture perfect job would involve me in the aerospace industry. I think I enjoy the work flow of coding with a team but I haven’t had the chance since the code team comprises of just me 😅. All the previous coders left to college.

[pine sleet]

remember that it's very common to switch majors, i think it's something like 30% of college students switch majors at least once

[smoky quest]

note also that different industries may or may not require you to move to a specific location. Not necessarily a problem if you can see yourself moving states

[tranquil hedge]

Hello

/Some Text

[true harness]

aerospace also can involve getting some sort of security clearance, whereas that's much rarer in CS

[tranquil hedge]

*Some Text*

[pine sleet]

please use the #bot-commands for testing out formatting

[toxic badge]

Ahh so that’s probably not an option for me in the current political climate 😅

[true harness]

definitely depends what specific areas you'd want to work in, though. i don't know much about aerospace though

[neon gulch]

Yo

[carmine heart]

Hey @delicate wren , I'm a data engineer. Was looking for DEs as well. We can connect maybe sometime.

[slim cave]

Hello. Nice to meet you.
I am professional Web3 Developer with over 8+ years of web development experience.
I believe that my skills are a great match, and I'd love the opportunity working with you.

[My skills]
✅ Teamwork
✅ MERN Stack
✅ MEAN Stack
✅ MEVN Stack
✅ MVC(Laravel, Codeigniter)
✅ Nuxtjs, Nextjs, Python, Django
✅ SCSS, SASS, Github, Git, AWS, TailwindCss, MUI, Antd
✅ Blockchain, E-wallets, Bitcoin, Cryptography, ETH, BTC

I am ready for your so just feel free to message me anytime.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards.

[fast fossil]

you know you can't advertise that here, right?

[slim cave]

I am looking for job

[near ocean]

This isnt linkedin

[slim cave]

yes, I know

[analog oriole]

guys whats better a master in AI or a master in CS having a bachelor in ME?

[spark shard]

CS

[analog oriole]

why

[faint depot]

I think a masters in AI may limit what careers you could get into as its quite specialised whilst a masters in CS is more broad. Im going to do a degree in AI and Robotics and that has a nice blend between mechanical, electrical and software engineering

[true harness]

the point of a master's is specialization

[faint depot]

True but for some people they might not want fully specialise in something yet. Idk how others think

[gritty rivet]

You should seek local advice. Find people in your area and/or from your university doing these things and learn what you can from them about your local job market.

My guess is that it's probably a lot easier for an aerospace major to fall back on software engineering then it is for a CS major to break into aerospace, but that's a question for you to explore with people who k ow better, again especially in your local conditions.

Beyond that, my advice would to focus on what you enjoy. In the long run that's going to determine what you work hardest at and get better at doing.

[near ocean]

How much can you specialise in 1 or 2 years? 🤷‍♀️

A masters wont make you an expert, just pick what you enjoy most, youre not locked into any one career path

[rare agate]

guys if the guy from the company alreadyt offered me a job if i graduate whart do i do now i cant pay tuition because my family doesnt weant to support me ☠️

[fringe sphinx]

What are your options?

[analog oriole]

ai is more fun

[fringe sphinx]

Fun is an excellent reason to learn something. (no snark, for real)

[gritty rivet]

Will he hire you for an internship? If not, apply for internships. And regular student jobs. In short, do whatever you have to do to pay your way through school.

[vapid jay]

AI

[indigo ivy]

What do i do after learning the basics of python?

what comes after building projects like caculator ?

[sour iron]

building more advanced calculators

[peak halo]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[wanton birch]

WHY are you learning python?

Anyone here know anyone with a Robotics career? (Automation, autonomous systems, etc)

[indigo ivy]

To get more into programming and learning more about coding in general

[wanton birch]

In that case, find projects that will help you apply what you are learning while forcing you to investigate new methods/means/paradigms.

[fringe sphinx]

Keep practicing programming. Interact with other programmers (pydis, or clubs, or whereever). Broaden your knowledge (watch europython and pycon videos, for instance, or read about history of computing, or pick new topics to learn).

[indigo ivy]

I should explore more about studying something more specific ?

[wanton birch]

Just a dumb example: Can your calculator create neat log files of all calculations done on it? Can it make this log available over the network to another computer? If so, can you encrpyt it to protect confidentiality?

[wanton birch]

Is there any specific type of things you ultimately want to build using your coding skills?

[indigo ivy]

I dont even know what i am able to do based on my knowledge on programming i just know the basic syntax of python

So, i should try building any specific project any suggestions? Or try learning more about python ?

[wanton birch]

I think this should go into #python-discussion as it has nothing to do with career. This channel is for career

[indigo ivy]

Yea youre right

[analog oriole]

why AI

[vapid jay]

I'm good with ai

AI is easy to learn for me so

And ai can get u easy 🤑 money.

[analog oriole]

what is your background and how do you get easy money with it 🙂

[vapid jay]

Background is private. AI is very easy to learn and if you pick a simple job like data organisation for a Company , you can organize the data in seconds, whatever mass, this is very promising and can lead to good post in that company. Also you can make use of ai in any subject and open up a youtube channel, or study a subject and then teach it, this is very easy with the help of AI, I personally am studying psychology with ai and it is very easy. Of course if you want a more detailed explanation ask Chatgpt.

[fast fossil]

you're advertising yourself and either way, you know you can't do that here, right? (so why is that message still up? do you feel it doesn't quite break the rules here?)
I mean, you can of course ask for career advice here, but that doesn't exactly look like a CV one might submit for review.

[fringe sphinx]

Claims of "Easy money" with anything is instant

[fringe sphinx]

Ime, high paying jobs tend to correlate with skill or ability. You want to be paid well as a SWE? Then be a good SWE.

[wanton birch]

I know a lucky bastard who doesn't know anything about IT or Auditing but keeps on getting IT Audit related jobs for $100k+

[fringe sphinx]

I said correlate 😉

[wanton birch]

I know! I know! Just venting because dude is the least knowledgeable and irrational and unskilled person I know but is among the top earners I know. Makes me feel rather salty! lol

[pastel thunder]

how much more expensive are H1B employee compared to employees with citizenship?

[analog oriole]

yo master in cs or ai which one will be more worth it eh? pls help

[peak halo]

Most AI experts have advanced degrees in computer science. AI hasn't been big enough of a thing to have its own degree program until very recently

This also means that at most universities, the professors who specialize in AI are part of the computer science department

[sterile saffron]

Hi, someone have an idea of a project for mid dev ?
I can manage all domains

[scenic robin]

hi guys

[analog oriole]

this is the content of the master tho

[scenic robin]

is this 25 mins worth it uses rng which generates a number 1-16 and if its odd it says im sigma and even it says its not sigma but im upgrading it soon for more

[peak halo]

What university is offering this program? Is it online or in person?

[peak halo]

This is the career discussion channel.

[analog oriole]

https://estudos.udc.es/en/study/detail/4544v01 spanish uni, what do you think

[scenic robin]

i cant place my picture in the other channels

[peak halo]

Your message always needs to be on topic for the channel that you post it in.

[scenic robin]

#on-topic

[peak halo]

Please do not argue with staff.
Try talking about your project in #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[scenic robin]

how did i argue but ok

[scenic robin]

man there are so much channels i need to go to this channel to go to that channel

[peak halo]

Someone from Europe should probably comment, but having a required thesis component is a good sign.

[peak halo]

You can go to the channel browser and hide channels that you don't think you'll ever want to visit.

We have a lot of channels, but we're also a large server and have users with lots of different interests.

[analog oriole]

anyone from europe that could elaborate an opinion?

[smoky quest]

At face value, CS since you can go into AI with it as well (if you wish to do so) and will make up the fundamentals you lack from your existing bsc. While the AI one will focus you on the AI path at the cost of other paths

[smoky quest]

• Cost for paperworks and preparation, including lawyers
• Cost of time to wait as they are only delivered at a specific time of the year and start being valid months after
• Cost of extra work

[analog oriole]

and filling BSCS gaps with online courses is a good or bad idea? from an employer perspective

[smoky quest]

Employers care about 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 . Degrees can do that. Random online classes do not

And so a AI masters will 👏 demonstrate 👏 skills 👏 for the field of AI but nothing else, while the CS masters will 👏 demonstrate 👏 skills 👏 across anything with computers.
Think of AI as a specialization. The AI masters is jumping straight to the specialization

If your only goal is to get into AI, an AI masters has merit

[analog oriole]

thanks sr

what specs can i get into with a cs degree

[smoky quest]

For computers specs, better ask in off topic channels

[analog oriole]

i mean cs specializations

[smoky quest]

ah. That is college/university specific

You may notice sometimes as well that there are a lot of specializations related to local industries (aerospace close to places with aerospace industries, microelectronic around areas with microelectronic industries, etc.)

[analog oriole]

clever

[smoky quest]

which is also why supporting and creating industries can get quite complicated and political as you do need a pipeline of trained people, 2nd/3rd order industries, infrastructures that people want to go there, etc.

[analog oriole]

supply and demand?

you just opened a new dimension

[smoky quest]

That's part of it.
Think all the memes about "how do we create the silicon valley equivalent for our country?". Same with EV industry, etc.

[analog oriole]

should I aim for the industry and then the university, right? that's the whole point at the end of the day

it is not strictly necessary, but it is very important

[smoky quest]

Remember that it's about the 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏
So for instance, doing backend in the finance industry is pretty much the same than healthcare or cybersecurity.

And some skills might be more applicable in some industries than others (ex: electronic, signal processing, database, etc.)

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure what you're aiming for here. Best bet is to build a solid general software engineering foundation. Trying to specialize for the sake of specializing (rather than true passion/interest in a field) seems pointless and not productive

[analog oriole]

I agree with you guys

[maiden wadi]

Hi

[vapid jay]

If my job does not have an address what should I put for location?

And no hiring person name

[smoky quest]

sounds like it ain't a real job

[vapid jay]

it is

[smoky quest]

then it should have a name and address

[vapid jay]

It is some big company listed on its site

Amazon

[smoky quest]

Great! Then it should have a name and an address.
If you are being hired, it could be a sign of scam if you don't have that information

[vapid jay]

Never mind found out the address

[errant thicket]

how do you tailor your cv to a certain job?

[peak halo]

Emphasize your experience as it pertains to the requirements for that job.
There isn't some secret.

[errant thicket]

so just emphasize your experience and kind of match it up with the job i’m applying for?

[peak halo]

Yes, but don't lie.

[errant thicket]

ok

[smoky quest]

It can help to put yourself in the shoes of the people hiring: someone looking for a frontend engineer would be interesting in different things than someone looking for a backend engineer.
From there, you can taylor your resume to highlight better your most relevant skills

[wanton birch]

You mean accepting a job offer instead of doing a masters? The answer then is 1000% percent yes!

Graduates are dime a dozen. There is endless supply of them. Nobody cares about degrees over actual real world experience. Once you have some experience under your belt, you can then try to pad your credentials and/or specialise with grad school stuff.

[smoky quest]

This is a terrible answer which does not reflect the market

[peak halo]

You might have a point about accepting a job offer over going to graduate school, but in general, employers do care about undergraduate degrees.

(and for certain positions, employers might also care about graduate degrees. Others might view a graduate degree as equivalent to n years of industry experience)

[wanton birch]

Well I disagree strongly. But then again, I am heavily biased by my own experience and many others on many forums/sites where we all moaned for years in some cases about not finding work. Especially when entry levels ask for years of experience.

If you actually think that having a masters gives someone a higher chance of employment compared to someone with bachelors plus experience, then we disagree hardcore.

From what I have seen, most don’t even find work in the field of their undergraduate.

[smoky quest]

Sure, there is no problem disagreeing and it enables @ Wolfe to receive different points of views.

Though your experience of your network does not reflect mine, my network or what I see of the market and would be counter to what one should follow in these conditions

[errant thicket]

ok ok i meant in general for any jobs but thanks

[wanton birch]

Having said that, what I said should not be used as an excuse to avoid further study and specialisation.

I just think that after your undergraduate, your biggest weakness is not lack of education but field experience. A job will grant you that. Once you have that, then you will compete at higher leagues where you either level up by putting in many years or some years + masters /phD specialisation.

[smoky quest]

entry level means no experience. Focusing on the experience when it is expected to have none is antithetical to the point

[wanton birch]

Would you care to elaborate further? Interested

In your network, did most people climb ladders fast /get hired quickly in the absence of any experience because of getting a masters?

[grand saffron]

Hello guys i have a question
I want to be a web developer but as a job
• is it good to be a web developer? (The salary)
•is it easy to find a job?
•can i work from home?

•

[smoky quest]

Yep, they have.
In short:

• In some european countries, people will experience a glass ceiling without the right degree. There is such glass ceiling between masters/non masters
• Masters offers further visas opportunities
• Interest compound. Masters offer more opportunities which will in turn yield better opportunities, which will in turn etc.
• It is generally accepted that years of education have more value than years of experience
• Most people will get stuck into a false comparison. Because we need to compare equivalent job and people without the same degree would not get in the same situation than someone who has
• There are statistics thrown here once in a while about average compensation based on education level and it does reflect the points above
• Further education enables you to be more skilled and thus be more successful which also leads to further growth

[cobalt moat]

1. its one of the lowest paying highest competitive, and easiest CS jobs
2. no
3. if you are lucky

[grand saffron]

Thanks

[wanton birch]

I know some people in developing countries who use platforms like fiver and what not to market themselves. Even ebay! They provide wordpress and other various web support to western small to medium sized businesses. They do well. But like @cobalt moat said, it is highly competitive. Even then, that rates translate well for people living in developing nations. So I guess it depends on where you are based.

[wanton birch]

I wish those things held true in my experience. I mostly have years of education and degrees of all kinds lol. But man I am glad that I have some job now! I was almost giving up!

[fringe sphinx]

'Web developer' can mean many things... such as a front end engineer who primarily works in web technologies but has a broad reach and scope, vs a pure css/js coder who has a very narrow focus building sites.

[fringe sphinx]

The job market is complex, and hard to over simplify. A degree is important. A masters degree is optional in most SWE roles but will get you through, absent any experience, to the interview more easily. Experience vs Masters is a close call, both is better than just one. Which entry job you get does matter, and entering market with a masters will unlock more doors. But you can succeed in either path

[hardy stratus]

Welp, minus a bit of documentation and old unused code cleanup, that's me basically done with my first proper internship. Well not really "proper" compared to standards here because i habe a maths background instead of computer science and the restrictions on working hours for a German minijob are pretty strict. Proper in the low-bar sense that I can put it on a CV and got paid for applying university knowledge

[smoky quest]

Proper in the low-bar sense that I can put it on a CV and got paid for applying university knowledge

I would encourage you to also dig into the learning from your internship and the impact of your work. I am sure you learned quite a bit and there is something to be proud of.
It's not healthy to focus on the adjacent aspects rather than the core of an internship

It's like focusing on the metal used to make the medal rather than the feats accomplished to win that medal

[hardy stratus]

Oh yeah that was me just making a small joke about the standard compared to the people here probably doing internships with hours close to full time. It's was helpful to me because it means I got to experience applying my graph theory knowledge outside of purely theoretical math course context. I was considering focusing more on the graph theory and combinatorics side of things as I get into my later years of university, so this being relevant to getting a taste of that was a nice surprise when I was told what they'd like me to work on.

[smoky quest]

mmh, that was a bad analogy at the end. Let me try again:

• It's like focusing on having a medal to show in a box, rather than how you got that medal. That risks of devaluing how you got that medal, especially if it is a cheap medal like a chocolate medal

[smoky quest]

The most successful math people I have seen in CS are the ones that were able to find jobs that leverage their math skills. There are tons of jobs that would benefit from them too!

[hardy stratus]

Despite my background python really made things accessible. NetworkX letting my easily set up the graph and add seperate labels for packets and parameters, aswell as inbuilt basic functions for getting neighbors ect really streamlined things and let me focus less on the code. When i got a new task it let me spend more time on internally brainstorming valid approuches and which if them is the most efficient, alongside what functions or generated data from previous tasks I already have that I can reuse to make the implementation as simple as possible. Best case scenario there were instances where I got a new task that was meant to take atleast a week (probably influenced by them using java and less of a maths/theory background) and I quickly realised I had all the building blocks to put things together in a couple hours with a bit of thinking and couple dozen lines of code.

[smoky quest]

Nice! Sounds like a pretty cool internship! Far more than something to just put on a resume/cv!

[twilit portal]

This is good to know
Would love to know about more fields in CS where math knowledge is useful (and preferably looks good on a resume)

[austere swan]

Is ai is also a part of cs? Or purely different?

[true harness]

it's like a mix of CS and statistics

[austere swan]

I hear it requires calculus and linear algebra too

[fringe sphinx]

CS programs typically include calculus and linear.

[whole flare]

What does this have to do with career discussions?

[fleet imp]

is there a way to turn off auto-completion for VSC when using python? trying to write code for my exam and dont want the help (and dont wanna change IDEs)

[austere swan]

Yes

[twilit portal]

What are some CS jobs where calculus is particularly useful?

[austere swan]

Ml/Ai

[near ocean]

People really dont read the rules anymore
<@&831776746206265384>

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't a job board. If you'd like your resume reviewed, you can post it here (anonymized)

[dull belfry]

Now I am concerned about my college placements.... Should start building my portfolio (2nd year) i already have some basic crud websites on my portfolio..
I am confused should I continue web development or try out other fields..
I been programming for about 1.5 years.. out of the projects I did I found web developement exciting.. was getting worried like if switch focus to like try any other field like AI maybe then I will have my legs on 2 boats..

[austere swan]

Do ai of you have like ai, or do web development

[fringe sphinx]

Wdym by college placements?

[dull belfry]

like I will have placements in 1 year.. I have to build my portfolio idk what to choose

Web developer or ML or any other field..

Was afraid I have little time to try all

I already have made few crud websites..

[fringe sphinx]

My usual advice is generalize: do different types of projects to build a wide foundation. Learn some engineering practices (including test cases, git, github workflows, maybe deploy to AWS, etc).

[dull belfry]

I have inner feelings spending rest of time to build my web developer portfolio will be a better option than learning a brand new field like ML or a DS

[fringe sphinx]

You can't know everything, you can just pick one project at a time that teaches you something.

[fringe sphinx]

You're not going to "learn ML/DS" in a year. But, you can do a project that uses a ML library without devoting a lot of time to it.

[dull belfry]

Ye sure I'll check those too

[dark arrow]

if youre in 2nd year you still have a decent amount of time

[dull belfry]

1 year or 1.5

[fringe sphinx]

But, if you like web dev, you could also focus on that. Learning react and good JS practices takes time, and is a good skill... especially if you can do the backend too.

[dull belfry]

hmm intersting option

[fringe sphinx]

You could also learn data skills, see kaggle.com/learn for a few introductory topics.

[dull belfry]

My websites only have like django backend and js dom manipulation.. i should give react a try

and those are very basic too.. like most of my projects finished in 2 week and never touched it again

[dark arrow]

just be prepared to defend whatever projects you put on your CV

be it ML or webdev

you should know in depth about the languages/frameworks/tools you use

[dull belfry]

yea i have to start a new project been projectless for 2 months

[dull belfry]

yeh I like learning

[faint depot]

Has anyone enrolled and completed an IBM degree apprenticeship or RR software engineering apprenticeship? If so, what was the teaching like, how did they assess your skills and the overall experience? I also don't mind if you want describe your experience for other degree apprenticeship schemes by other companies. Thank you

[gritty rivet]

You'll have much better odds finding someone if you search LinkedIn

[neon gulch]

Nothing to see just I wanted thank you🙂

[whole flare]

[neat talon]

im not getting hired am i

[near ocean]

The task is not done at the first iteration of code that passes the tests
Try to look for optimizations

<@&831776746206265384>

This is like the 3rd time already

[neat talon]

so it needs to be ran multiple times to complete the task?

[near ocean]

No, look to improve your code is what I meant

[neat talon]

alright

[azure heart]

!cban 950148813178437684 seems like you're just here to advertise

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @slim cave permanently.

[quasi saddle]

Hello, I am a MSc AI student.. I kinda have a course called Automated Machine Learning and I seem to have a little to no foundation in machine learning terminologies.. is there some crash course I can take or anything?

I would appreciate any help. Thank you!

[peak halo]

Hello, go to #data-science-and-ml and let us know what terminology you're struggling with. That will give us a sense of what the course is covering.

[radiant python]

How do I become professional in coding

[fringe sphinx]

The usual route is go to Uni, get a CS degree and apply to jobs.

[radiant python]

Earning skills

Not possible in college

[near ocean]

Why not?

[gleaming wren]

Anyone here?

So about masters

[fringe sphinx]

You asked a general question and got a general answer. You can ask a more specific question.

[gleaming wren]

Um what do I do if I’m in my fourth year and I don’t know how to ask for LORs. I never did anything one to one with profs. I just had their classes and that’s it

[fringe sphinx]

Just ask, the worst they can say is 'no'.

Do you agree have an advisor? Ask them too.

But, who said you need one?

[gleaming wren]

My advisor.. I barely interact from them aside with helping choose classes which I didn’t ask much about. Maybe max 3 times I’ve talked

[gleaming wren]

Wait I thought I need 3

[unreal spear]

/ai history - history managment
/ai ask - ask the ai an question

[fringe sphinx]

/ai no thanks

[fringe sphinx]

First, don't worry about asking. Ask, and don't feel embarrassed about it.

[deft herald]

What is this? You were spamming help channels just now too

[fringe sphinx]

What are the recommendation letters for? A job or grad school?

[fringe sphinx]

This was dealt with.

[gleaming wren]

Grad school. Oh no I didn’t know a job also requires that

[deft herald]

👍

[fringe sphinx]

Oh? Jobs don't usually need school letters, but yah, grad school probably does (as far as I remember).

Just ask for the letters, profs know the deal, I'm sure.

[gleaming wren]

Yeah but I’ve been told that if you don’t know them well, they’ll say no. I’ve been in lectures but I wouldn’t really talk

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, so your choices are: don't ask and don't get them 100%, or ask and don't get them (less than 100%)

[deft herald]

Do you not have any senior-design-type projects for which you must work closely with a professor?

[vapid barn]

Is it allowed to find a job where I code somethings here

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting here, no

[vapid barn]

I'm not recruiting, I'm asking if someone is recruiting

[fringe sphinx]

Same thing, we don't do that here. But, if you want advice or a resume review or something, this is a good place to ask

[vapid barn]

Ok thanks for telling me

[lucid scarab]

Hello, everybody,. Hope you are doing well.

As a Full Stack Developer with a passion for building innovative and scalable web solutions, I am constantly driven by the desire to create impactful technology that propels businesses forward. My experience in both frontend and backend development has equipped me with the skills necessary to craft seamless and efficient applications that not only meet the needs of users but also align with business objectives. I am now eager to take on new challenges that will allow me to contribute to a company’s growth and success.

My ability to navigate both the frontend and backend realms allows me to approach problems holistically, ensuring that the solutions I develop are not only technically sound but also user-centric.

I am excited about the prospect of joining a forward-thinking company where I can apply my skills and experience to help achieve ambitious goals. If you are looking for a Full Stack Developer who is passionate about technology, committed to excellence, and eager to take on new challenges, I would love to connect and explore how I can contribute to your team’s success.

Let’s build something great together.
Please don't hesitate DM me.

[buoyant seal]

!rule 6 9 10

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

10. Do not copy and paste answers from ChatGPT or similar AI tools.

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't a job board

[gleaming wren]

No actually

[errant thicket]

hey do i have to both of the comp classes?

what’s an exam voucher for comptia?

[whole flare]

Typically a single attempt at a CompTIA exam for free

[errant thicket]

oh so the exam voucher is the test ? for my certification?

[exotic cove]

Working on CySA+ now

[gritty rivet]

Yes, when you're ready to take a test you buy an exam voucher, and then you use that to actually schedule the exam. You can use the voucher at any approved local in-perso. testing center (a good idea if possible) or online

[modern dagger]

rows = int(input("HOW many rows: "))

columns = int(input("HOW many columns: "))
symbol = input("Enter a symbol to use: ")

for i in range(rows):
for o in range(columns):

              print(symbol, end="")

   print()

why do we need empty print at last to work this program

[harsh river]

#❓｜how-to-get-help or #python-discussion please, this channel is for career discussion

[flat breach]

Does anyone know how to find and apply for jobs

[near ocean]

Use one of the many job boards around

[flat breach]

What is this?

[near ocean]

A website like linkedin or indeed

[flat breach]

I don't know any of these

[near ocean]

Look them up or use one thats more popular where you live

[flat breach]

Okay

[muted night]

man linkedin is pretty useless ngl

i never see anyone get a job through linkedIN

[near ocean]

I got a job through linkedin

[muted night]

maybe its like that in my country

[errant thicket]

thanks

[keen edge]

That's pretty cool

[harsh river]

geez that was a wild ride, posted my first resume on the 27th, a couple of hours later i received a message of a company i've interacted via bug fixes contributions / user feedback, we had a meeting the next day regarding them recruiting and wanting me to work for them, asked me for my hourly rate range, replied to them with my ask, and 2 days later i signed the contract went thru initial onboarding today

all in a week's work 😆

[muted night]

compTIA is for support roles right?

[fringe sphinx]

Congrats, preparation met opportunity

[harsh river]

i guess i also became the thing i swore to destroy in the process, an AI tech bro

[gritty rivet]

Overwhelmingly yes.

But go by what you're seeing in the job listings you are targeting. For example if you're looking to do development on military contracts they might require Security+.

[plush summit]

Why do ue5 Jobs seems so slim :/

[grave acorn]

hello, I am a python developer from Ukraine, I have about 3 years of commercial work experience, I would like to know what the knowledge requirements are somewhere other than my country, I suspect that they are exactly the same, because this is a market, but I wonder what they want from a backend developer for the position medium