career-advice

[safe coral]

Yeah but it has different purposes

[brazen island]

I agree with you but this stuff invites many curveballs. If you're willing to study up to be 100 % certain, keep it but I wouldn't feel comfy (but that's a me-problem I think)

[safe coral]

you can sure use it the same way but I get different insights from ANOVA compared to OLS

[harsh river]

the Note isn't irrevelant imo

[brazen island]

They're functionally equivalent, that's at least something I remember from econometrics. I forgot why but you can get the same insights from both (in that special case)

[safe coral]

I found this online

Purpose: Estimate or predict the dependent variable based on the independent variables. Understand the nature of the relationship between variables. (OLS)
Identify if the group means are statistically different from each other.(ANOVA)

[brazen island]

Getting off topic, but here's a link https://www.reddit.com/r/rstats/comments/llt82m/comment/gnrb5kd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

They're the same thing - from a theoretical view it's like asking if a VW or a Volkswagen is a better car.

[safe coral]

Explanation:
For example, an ANOVA could be used to determine whether the difference between different sets of linear regressions were statistically different or not.
A multiple regression looks for correlation within a set of data. ANOVA looks for differences between sets of data.```

Correlation is what I use OLS for. Coefficient of Determination is important in some cases

[brazen island]

I'm not gonna argue this one in this room because it's off topic. You can tag me in #data-science-and-ml or read the link I sent you from r/stats. It's all statisticians and they're all reiterating what I said 😅

My point isn't strictly about this method, it's about every bullet you have that is technical, just be ready to elaborate on them. All my technical interviews for DS/ML roles have been like that

[hoary marlin]

Hello everybody. I was wondering if anyone knew good resources to learn how to build AI applications using Python before college?

[safe coral]

and OLS gives you that option. You cant find R^2 score in your ANOVA output

you get that using your linear model not your anova output

[brazen island]

Just read the comments in the link 😄

[safe coral]

I saw that. I mean you can consider ANOVA as an OLS but their outputs are different

some cases you wanna focus more on slopes rather than the means

[muted bridge]

Is this a good project entry? If not, what can be improved? (For Data Science/Analytics)

[gritty rivet]

https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-artificial-intelligence-python

[viscid harbor]

Hi guys, I'm actually building a voice assistant using an external esp32s3 microcontroller. I am running it locally on a platform io project. Now I want to transfer it to cloud. I am confused between aws ec2 instance and aws iot core in combination with a lambda function and s3 for storage. Any suggestions?

[gritty rivet]

That's not a career question, move it to #tools-and-devops if you need more help... But I agree, EC2 will be far easier if you don't have a good reason to do serverless

[shy oasis]

hi guys

[viscid harbor]

Thanks

[fringe sphinx]

It's good, not great. A little too many adjectives like 'closely' and 'rigorously': obvious the goal is to predict as accurately as possible. But? How did you validate? Etc. reads a little bit like you had GPT complete the sentences, the excessive thesaurus words.

[muted bridge]

thanks

[brazen sky]

@woven apex @sage tree
Here

[smoky quest]

Hi! You are on the wrong channel as this is not related to #career-advice . See #❓｜how-to-get-help

[brazen sky]

I just wanted to show them smh real quick 🗿

[smoky quest]

It's best to do it in an appropriate place

[woven apex]

Why would you send this in #career-advice ?

Please send it in the general channel, or a help thread.

[vapid jay]

Have you completed this course?

[safe coral]

Analyzed guest satisfaction surveys using regression models with R and Python, incorporating ANOVA for hypothesis testing and K-fold cross-validation for model validation, leading to actionable insights that improved online reviews by 10%

Is this too wordy?

[safe coral]

what do you think?

[vapid jay]

This is perfectly fine.

[hearty island]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3974437353 interesting role @safe coral

[safe coral]

yeah 😄

[hearty island]

apply for it

[gritty rivet]

No. The Harvard CS50 courses are well known and widely recommended and they are free, but I've never done one

[vapid jay]

oh okay, that's fair.

[wispy lichen]

For those who have been through the interview process for data science, ML, etc, if they asked you to code live, were you guys allowed to use documentation and such? lol

[safe coral]

Im still fixing my resume

I got bashed by z today I dont know if I wanna apply for jobs @hearty island

he kinda slammed my professors so and apperantly I would fail interviews

[hearty island]

then save the job at least? who's z?

[safe coral]

check #data-science-and-ml

[hearty island]

bro if you listen to what everything everyone says, you will be paralyzed

[safe coral]

Why are some people so toxic here? I dont get it

[hearty island]

no one's toxic here.

[gritty rivet]

Technical screenings/interviews vary widely, you'll encounter a range of open/closed approaches.

[safe coral]

I shall say some people

[hearty island]

we are literally trying to help you

[safe coral]

that guy literally grabbed my confidence and trashed into garbage

[vapid jay]

that's the purpose of this channel lmao

[hearty island]

if you let a random internet stranger have that much power over you, how do you expect anything in life to work?

[safe coral]

and I cried for like an hour

[wispy lichen]

Are bigger companies more likely to take the close approach?

[hearty island]

bro

[vapid jay]

the opposite. Bigger companies expect you to get a task done, and if you're honest that you need to look up a specific feature for the code you're trying to complete, they'll happily let you.

[hearty island]

i'm reading the chat, he was trying to help you.

[safe coral]

that wasnt help tho

[gritty rivet]

Better to have that happen when you're preparing so it won't be as harsh in a real interview. Negative feedback is never fun but it's necessary.

I didn't see whatever comments you're referring to,.so I'm not defending them if they were unnecessarily harsh or rude. But you have to expect unpleasant emotions are part of the game

[hearty island]

look man. my mentor from the military taught me this. you will never be spoonfed your answers in an academic or work setting. you have to fucking go for it. fuck it we ball mentality.

[wispy lichen]

Ohhh ok tyy

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/bellingham-real-madrid-gif-2387078744764954487

[safe coral]

he then refered my project as useless

now Im not even gonna mention that project in my resume which I was so proud of

[hearty island]

bc it likely was, dude. zestar knows what he's talking about. he's being honest so you can improve.

[gritty rivet]

The bigger the company, the more public info you can normally find about what to expect.

[safe coral]

That project I presented to the whole class? Teacher said it was the best project in the class. I got like 96

[true harness]

maybe it's time to take a break for a bit. go for a walk

[hearty island]

i agree with psvm, disregard what i said or come back to it later when you've calmed down a bit. taking a break is good.

[safe coral]

I mean whats so shitty about it?

[wispy lichen]

True ty

[hearty island]

fam you have time. make another project.

[safe coral]

I have other projects too

[true harness]

(the statement in question: #data-science-and-ml message)

[hearty island]

zestar acknowledged he was being hard on you, he's trying to make sure you're interview ready.

[safe coral]

ohe he also said my grad prof was not good either

[hearty island]

so what?

[safe coral]

considering the guy did his phd in Carnegie Melon

[hearty island]

i see stel typing i'm gonna chill 👀

[safe coral]

literally had to remove everything from my resume. Now Im back to 0

[peak halo]

Why are you rehashing everything that zestar said?
You didn't like what he said. I don't know what this play-by-play review of the conversation is intended to accomplish.

[safe coral]

Instead of helping some people are bashing @peak halo

[hearty island]

look you're going to receive critical feedback at your jobs. i had the virtue of having bosses who'd give it to me on a daily basis. he's legitmately trying to help you.

[safe coral]

He criticized my resume too

that I dont know what Im doing cuz I put regression models and ANOVA in the same sentence

[hearty island]

my bosses were all "hard" on me and it was to improve me

[safe coral]

Ive been working for 5 years tho

[peak halo]

@safe coral people can read the conversation that you had with zestar if you want. and you can also block zestar if you don't want to talk to him again. Going around in circles about how you felt about that conversation isn't conducive to the kind of environment we want here.

[safe coral]

Maybe I dont articulate stuff properly but that doesnt mean I know nothing

[hearty island]

stel, when you started your role on the first day, did you sign an I9? or did you sign it before?

[peak halo]

pretty sure it was after I signed the offer letter and before my first day.

[true harness]

iirc it just needs to be within 3 days of your first day

[hearty island]

ah they are saying they'll send it shortly before my hire date, i start the 29th so

[peak halo]

there might have been special rules at the time because of covid.

[hearty island]

my undergrad is asking me to come speak to students now regarding careers

[true harness]

i had an internship ~covid times. apparently the requirements for verifying documents or whatever were paused. then about halfway through they were unpaused, so i had to do the form thing

[hearty island]

i just don't want anything to slip through the cracks. would it be too much to call the background check vendor like next week?

my parents are advising me to chill

[peak halo]

You will pass every background check unless you have a criminal record, basically

[hearty island]

I’ve already passed it all

[hearty island]

I should just relax

[outer rivet]

(Image has been censored for privacy reasons) Does this email sound cap to anyone? Although, I do know that the "big bank" is hiring software engineers.

[hearty island]

hmmm.

[umbral frigate]

kforce?

[fringe sphinx]

That's a recruiter email. Totally normal, to me.

[umbral frigate]

In what way does it seem suspicious to you? (if at all)

[fringe sphinx]

Kforce does a lot of staffing projects (contractors), not sure if this is a recruiting (placement) or contract opportunity l

[safe coral]

What the hell? Do they send this to every applier?

[fringe sphinx]

What do you mean? That's a good thing.

[hearty island]

No, your resume must’ve got past their ATS screen for the right keywords. Congrats Jiggly, go kill it.

[true harness]

they probably send that to everyone ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty island]

potentially true

[vapid jay]

❤️ logaritham ❤️

[outer rivet]

The referral bit. Like, are they saying they'll pay you for getting your friends recruited?

[umbral frigate]

Some companies do that. Paying you to advertise ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vapid jay]

oh wait wrong chat

[fringe sphinx]

That's how (third party and staffing) recruiters work. They get paid to place people, so building their resume database is really important to them.

[gritty rivet]

If Big Bank has relevant positions listed, apply direct and leave these parasites out of it. Sometimes you have no choice and can only apply through recruitment firms, but better to drop the middle-person if you can

[safe coral]

It’s been rough lol

[whole flare]

Dude, read your emails 😄

[hearty island]

holy moly

[safe coral]

I only answered one question wrong out of 15 questions

[hearty island]

dang, second round incoming then!!

[safe coral]

and that was a typo reee

[hearty island]

fantastic stuff man

just promise that you won't get crushed if you get rejected for the role. bc shit happens.

[safe coral]

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I saved my answers. They give like 5 mins for questions like this

🥲

[hearty island]

do you concur @safe coral

[safe coral]

Yes

[hearty island]

good shit brother

[safe coral]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3978644854/?refId=FuAGw0ztRnqVOHEbEGYo1Q%3D%3D&otpToken=MTAwYzFjZTIxMDJiYzljNGI1MjQwNGVkNDQxZmU0YjY4YmNjZDA0NTljYTg4YjYxNzRjMTA3NmI0YzUzNWJmMGYxZDFkZjk5NzhlYmRlODc1YzkzYzBiMTU1OTRlOGRhNmU2MWM3OTIzZjkwOWZmM2Y5ZjcyYSwxLDE%3D

it was for this position. SENIOR????????? Im not even senior. Im not sure how I passed the first screening

[hearty island]

keep it up, brother.

[wary drum]

do i focus more on math or programming in hs

[peak halo]

Math. You need good grades in math to get into a CS program.

[wary drum]

alr

[graceful owl]

Depends how good you are at maths already

[vapid jay]

ok i want to go in cybebrsecurity what all the languages i need to learn

[robust ember]

First step. Learn the golden rule. Thou shalt not make changes on Friday. Especially ones involved with Drivers. Or that are untested.

[hot saddle]

C, C++, others are optional

[kindred oyster]

<@&831776746206265384>

[graceful owl]

python is generally pretty useful for making scripts as well

knowledge of a shell language/how to use a shell is really good as well (e.g. bash/powershell)

[hearty island]

they mean well though, I’m not sure about the broscience comment.

It’s ok man, let it go. You’ve done tremendous things for this channel. Can’t let it get to you.

If they don’t appreciate you, I always will 🙂

[undone glacier]

Anyone in insurance use python? I heard its used in actuarial analysis, how tough is that to get into?

[balmy mural]

If you want to be an actuary, there's a lot of exams you normally have to take with whatever regulatory board there is for actuaries in your country. To get to that point, you'll want to do a very math and statistics heavy degree. Some universities also have actuarial specific degrees to look at

[hearty island]

My buddy from UHG does

[stray vortex]

choose bio

[gritty rivet]

What are the options you are choosing between? Anything technical/math related could be relevant.

What you do isn't nearly as important as doing it well! So pick whatever you think you might be interested in, but also don't be afraid to explore something new

[fringe sphinx]

First: try to find someone local who would know. Find someone in Uni in your major. Or, maybe contact a local Uni's CS department and ask if they have any informational sessions.

We can suggest things you should learn to prepare for CS, but it's hard to recommend educational paths without knowing your system. For instance, US and UK higher education systems are very different

[peak halo]

@plain wing what is your concern regarding your CS degree?

[stray vortex]

Mann go with biology and do MBBS you'll earn a lot compared to programming

[hearty island]

[fringe sphinx]

Many bio (and sciences in general) jobs end up involving programming. Also, perhaps compare number of SWE jobs to number of bio and biomed jobs: I don't know numbers offhand, but I suspect it's 10x or greater

[compact frigate]

Hey so Im doing A levels, boutta do A2 after summer, and my parents keep asking me to do some sort of 'course' where I get a certificate or smth at the end. They dont take CS and I have no idea what they're talking about, but they claim a certificate like that is a free pass to any uni. Are they right and if so do yall have any recommendations for something like this?

[fringe sphinx]

Do you have a uni advisor at your school?

[graceful owl]

are you in the UK?

if so: what kind of unis are you aiming to apply to?

[compact frigate]

Nope, Im just doing A levels, Im actually canadian and hoping to go to UofT or Uwaterloo for CS

[compact frigate]

Nope

[fringe sphinx]

Generally speaking (I'm in US): strong grades in pre-Uni math are the most important thing

[compact frigate]

Yeah Im taking maths and physics along with CS

[fringe sphinx]

Nice, along with that: extra curriculars: programming and robotics clubs, for instance

[compact frigate]

I feel like everyday my parents are either trying to give me new suggestions like taking a rando 4th subject like culinary arts just to get a 4th A even tho I explained to them thats not what unis valued, or they're flat out trying to get me out of CS and do pre med. Idk if this is another one of their bad suggestions so I came here to ask just in case

[graceful owl]

i'm from the UK (so might not apply fully): also agree that maths is very important (you should ideally know a bit more than the courses at your school provides), and on top of that having good programming skills + building stuff will generally imbue you with quite a good skillset in terms of problem solving etc.

[fringe sphinx]

As a parent of a soon to be Uni student, I am full of terrible advice for my kids. My parents also gave me terrible advice.

[compact frigate]

Im doing fine on studies and knowledge gaining, but my parents say the credentials that a 'course' gives are more important than anything else like eztra currics

[graceful owl]

in my experience (which comes from speaking to admissions people at top UK unis), the certificates and stuff are usually not very useful

[fringe sphinx]

I believe they are completely wrong here

[graceful owl]

my opinion is that they're cash grabs, top unis can distinguish if you're good or not without seeing if you've done one of these courses, and the courses usually suck anyway lol

[compact frigate]

Im decently well versed in python, SQL, and pseudocode detailed in my course so I think thats kinda ok for a 16 year old but I could be wrong

[fringe sphinx]

A course -vs- an extra curr activity that requires human interaction and coordination and commitment?

But how does your school not have an advisor? That sound weird, in US I think every Hs has at least one

[compact frigate]

Great. Now time to convince the most stubborn parents on the planet that they were wrong about something

[compact frigate]

We technically have one, its on MS teams, theres no real advisor but theres an account that posts random quotes and announces when the next uni scouts are coming

[fringe sphinx]

One way of convincing: certificates don't require much effort and are not accredited.

[compact frigate]

I tried saying this, and that on online courses everyone cheats so the cert. is worthless, but my mom said theres one harvard course or smth thats supposedly highly regarded by unis

[graceful owl]

cs50?

[fringe sphinx]

CS50p. I'm not in admissions, but I doubt this is 'highly regarded'... -but- there's perhaps little harm in knocking it out rather than fighting it out.

[compact frigate]

I mean Im not doing standard HS like americans cuz A levels is different, so no AP classes for me. The only thing I do for knowledge these days is youtube and SQL, along with practice

[fringe sphinx]

It is a good course tho.

[compact frigate]

*youtube and leetcode (dont know why I said SQL)

[fringe sphinx]

Damn. I love sql.

[compact frigate]

Lol I do SQL on leetcode

[fringe sphinx]

There's also some sql practice sites that are pretty good

[compact frigate]

Other than leetcode? Can you name a few?

Also let me just sum up my original question rq, is there any online free course I could do that gives me genuine credentials that unis highly value?

[fringe sphinx]

Datalemur

[graceful owl]

i would imagine cs50 is probably one of the better ones you could choose

[compact frigate]

What do I get for proof at the end of it?

[graceful owl]

well, nothing for free, but if you pay $219 you get a certificate lol

[compact frigate]

Damn, anything free that gives me similar certificates?

Dont wanna pony up 219 bucks for a certificate that might be worthless when applying

[graceful owl]

usually nothing of value will provide a certificate for free, that's the business model :p

again: i think the certificates are mostly useless

if your parents are dead-set on you getting a certificate, is there any way of convincing them to pay for it?

[compact frigate]

Idk I could try asking but is the online certificate even worth it?

Is it like a real extra curricular?

[balmy mural]

It's a solid course. But it's highly unlikely to make a difference for getting into uni/college

[graceful owl]

i don't know the details of canadian uni applications, in the UK i don't think it would be useful (you would get the same value out of doing the course and not getting the certificate)

[compact frigate]

UofT specifically doesnt value extra curriculars at all for CS

[graceful owl]

i feel like an extracurricular like tennis is probably different to a course in computer science

this was my experience in applying for cambridge/imperial, neither of which really value extracurriculars either

[compact frigate]

Whats your advice for applying to unis that dont value extra currics (other than the obvious answer of getting better grades)

[graceful owl]

i would say there's a distinction between extracurriculars (e.g. tennis) and 'supracurriculars', which are directly related to your course (e.g. programming)

i would say that although grades are important: for top unis it's important to go beyond them, you can get 3A* but still not get in

[compact frigate]

3 a stars is a given, but outside that what would you recommend to guarantee a spot in a CS course? Should I sign up with one of those uni advisors that 'guarantees your admission to your dream uni'?
Also how would I do a supracurricular and have proof of it?

[graceful owl]

i haven't used one of those uni advisors, but no one can guarantee admission to your dream uni, probably a scam lol

i don't know how the canadian system works, but in the UK we submit a 'personal statement' (small essay) where you can talk about this kind of stuff, we didn't need to provide proof necessarily

but realistically the best thing these supracurriculars do isn't give you a certificate, it's give you skills/knowledge that help you succeed in interview/admissions tests

[plain wing]

HEY guys do you have any advice for me , i am soon entering into my 1st sem in uni as an undergrad in cs , but my uni is not that great , i want to get into an elite uni in aus or us for my post grad in ai nd ml what should i do to increase my chance of getting an admisson there

[hearty island]

how's your math?

[plain wing]

not bad

but i still trying to put more efforts in my maths

i m pretty good in fast calculations

but i still have more to go in calc

[graceful owl]

you shouldn't focus on fast calculations, you should focus on mathematical knowledge/intuition

[plain wing]

i see , so i have to focus more on my intuition

[graceful owl]

best way to do that is just to solve lots of hard problems

[plain wing]

like what topic should i focus more on

[graceful owl]

whatever interests you :) if you like doing calculus, do some hard calculus problems, if you like discrete maths, do some discrete maths problems

[hearty island]

use prof leonard. 3blue1brown.

[plain wing]

@hearty island i see

[twilit portal]

In the https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/366673247892275221 channel there are some pinned messages, there is a math book in there

[plain wing]

ok

[graceful owl]

also it's really important not to just consume videos/books, but to actually do some problems

this is the book i used in my 1st semester calc course, it's got really good info + some really interesting problems littered inbetween it all https://www.astrosen.unam.mx/~aceves/Metodos/ebooks/riley_hobson_bence.pdf

[plain wing]

thnx ,an it means a lot for me

but can you give me some advice for my plans which is mentioned above

[graceful owl]

get good grades, get good at maths, do well in kaggle competitions

[plain wing]

umm, actually i am pretty stressed bcz to get into an elite uni abroad i need to stand out a lot and usually from the place in belong we have a very low chance to get admission in a pretigious uni

[pulsar drum]

Why are you concerned with the prestige of the university?

[plain wing]

actually, i dont care about the prestige of a uni but i actually want to work hard and see whether i can into a good uni or not

bcz ultimately everything comes under your skills

[safe bane]

Hey guys, I am jobless and bored. Looking to talk. I am a software engineer whose main programming language is Python.

[pine sleet]

that's not really all there is to getting into a "prestigous" university tbh, it doesn't matter too much. as long as your school is accredited and you're going for a CS or related degree you will be fine

[vapid jay]

Nah not really. Uni is also a lot of fakeness. Its not just your skill which will give you a PhD. But it plays a big role for sure

[tawdry sable]

Please help me fix this part i got insta rejected from dream firm so im trying to fix it up

I feel like the bullet points are not great any advice or suggestions would be great

[final ravine]

How insta? Like automatic response?

[tawdry sable]

like 8 hours

tbf it was competitve quant firm, point 72

[final ravine]

What's a point 72?

[sweet cypress]

the name of the company

[compact frigate]

Update: Told my dad as much and got chewed out for not being serious about studies and not wanting to put in work

[graceful owl]

i'm not saying the course isn't useful tbf, cs50 seems p decent to me for uni applications (although i never did cs50 :p), but the certificate is somewhat useless imo

[harsh river]

tell him to schedule a meeting with us, we'll set him straight

[graceful owl]

especially for building good programming fundamentals

[fringe sphinx]

What's the harm in making your parents happy and knocking out the cert? It's a good course, we just think the $$ is pointless, but if they're paying :shrug:

[smoky quest]

If I understand the situation correctly, your parents are paying the cs50 cert for you and insist you take it.
In this case, I would focus more on the learning that go with it than the cert. Sure the cert will be useless for your career, but it's still an opportunity to go through some good material, learn or review topics and make some projects.
So in the end, the value you get will be the learning that you will take with you.

[fringe sphinx]

(Besides just doing it) The 'better' option is to seek out an advisor whom both you and parents trust. Your parents (probably) don't know how Uni admissions works and neither do you.

[safe coral]

I dunno if I should have tweaked my resume at all… I keep getting interviews with the previous one before I had to put all tha part time info and stuff. @hearty island

I guess your resume tactic worked but I don’t know if I should have made the most recent changes

I got 5 interview requests in one day

[compact frigate]

He dont really care about the knowledge of CS50. Besides if I was doing it for knowledge, I could prolly find a better course than CS50

[safe coral]

This is before putting all day part time info and stuff

I passed the technical interview on Cardless with 95

So they bumped me to the next interview

[smoky quest]

Which course would you consider better than CS50?

Then it comes down to two factors:

• Resolving the conflict around the topic of cert and how useful it will be to admissions in colleges. That implies finding the resources and developing arguments about the best way to get into college
• Disagree and commit. How much energy are you spending in arguing about it instead of just doing it

[compact frigate]

idk I just havent seen anyone recommending it as a course for purely gaining knowledge vs random courses on yt.
I just wanna make sure that I commit the time and money into something that isnt a waste

[smoky quest]

CS50 always come up as a recommendation over random yt videos.

Also in terms of learning, you should expect books to be more efficient over random youtube videos

[smoky quest]

I think the answer here lies with the type of employer/career you want.
From what type of companies do you get the most replies? Recruiters/contract based companies or high tech companies/startups?

[fringe sphinx]

CS50 is a series of courses, all of which are highly recommended. They're a bit more structured than random yt videos; it's designed as a course, so treat it that way: watch the videos, read the notes, do the assignments/projects, etc

[hearty island]

Ayyyyyy

Keep going man!!

[safe coral]

I mean working 4 days a week is kind of full time @turbid bobcat

I worked Mondays, Tuesdays, Saturdays and Sundays

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My internship was online. We were given a project and told to be working on it for 3 months

It was 3 of us worked on the internship for a project

[smoky quest]

As an interviewer, that would not be received well

[safe coral]

What do you mean not received well? It counted as an internship

[smoky quest]

Internships are about discovering the world of the enterprise. That means how teams organize themselves, methodologies, taking things to production, or even what other parts of the comapny do, etc.

As phrased, it sounds more like a paid project than an internship

[safe coral]

I dunno I had to go present our findings and everything

Columbia Montour Chamber of Commerce has 10 employees

[smoky quest]

That's just a final report.
But how integrated with the day to day life of the team were you?

[safe coral]

My team was my college friends

Who did the internship with me. I literally worked for chamber of commerce that has 10 employees

[smoky quest]

Sure, but do you see how it looks from the employer's perspective?

[safe coral]

We met weekly about the internship on Fridays with the director

We presented our findings

And did the same every week for 3 months. We had to submit progress report and stuff to the director

Once a week before we meet with him

[smoky quest]

and do you see how it looks from the employer's perspective?

[safe coral]

It counted as a school credit that’s why @turbid bobcat

Yeah it’s an internship. They can look online for the company to see how big it is

[brazen island]

I did an internship in my final master's year when I had experience just for the sake of it. I don't think it's weird

[smoky quest]

No. It looks like a school project

[safe coral]

First of all. I worked for chamber of commerce

It’s not a school project? School project doesn’t involve working for companies

[smoky quest]

This is missing the point.
So I guess I will bow out

[safe coral]

But you call it a school project when it’s an internship

Why would I do school project for another company?

[brazen island]

I see what you mean. I think my reason was that it was a way into more entireprisey ways of doing things (cloud services and so on).

[safe coral]

It was a project for them that required us to meet weekly with director and write reports

And go present it for the school directors of 12 districts and you care calling it a school project?

[smoky quest]

Because functionally there is no difference between a school project and what you did.
Other candidates will have 100x the value out of their internship comparing to yours

[safe coral]

That’s why I have the name of the company there? montour Columbia chamber of commerce

The recruiter can look it up online and see how big it is before proceeding with me

[smoky quest]

It's not about the size. It's about what you do with it

[safe coral]

I told you what I did

[smoky quest]

Right. And as interviewer I would say thank you and then ignore it as an internship for you, potentially just rejecting the candidate altogether

[brazen island]

I think getting tacit knowledge and experience from seniors is the key component of an internship, but if it was one on paper like your course was called "internship project" or similar I don't think it's a misrepresentation

Which seems to be the case

[safe coral]

I didn’t even work for a tech company

It literally says in the name of the company for gods sake

Chamber of commerce remote internship. How am I supposed to do day to day stuff there?

When it’s remote

[smoky quest]

Remote work exist and they have tons of ceremonies and activities

[safe coral]

You are thinking of big corporates

[smoky quest]

no. Even tiny startups

[safe coral]

well this company didn’t

[smoky quest]

that's not the interviewer's problem. They have thousands of other candidates

[safe coral]

I met weekly with the director to discuss what’s going on and the wanted my report weekly basis

[smoky quest]

I understand that and you are completely missing the point here

[safe coral]

My college says it’s an internship

So I’m going with what it says on my transcript

The college actually advised me for the internship

Like you are kind of shading

Telling they wouldn’t even hire me? Wtf is wrong with people here

Plus it was during my winter break

I had much more time. By the time I was in my 5th year of college (final semester) I only needed to take 2 classes

I literally went to school once a week

You guys think oh how does this person work while going to school

I’m hardworking. I’m not a lazy person

[smoky quest]

I only gave you my opinion about how I would interpret it as an interviewer. That can be useful feedback for you to see and understand the other side of the coin

[safe coral]

Yeah but that’s before you listen what I say

You told me to put part time as my position when I worked at least 32 hours a week while in school

Because it’s weird I worked full time while in college

[smoky quest]

I do listen and do understand what you say. I have candidates calling random shit as the best thing since slice bread every day all day long. That's normal and part of the incentives.

[safe coral]

How is 32 hours a week is part time while in school?

I literally went to work after my classes

My classes would end up at 1 and I would work 3-11

Because they said it’s weird for someone to work full time and go to college @turbid bobcat

[smoky quest]

Working multiplt full time jobs is highly sus and could get you rejected on the first pass

[safe coral]

What multiple jobs?

[smoky quest]

Multiple full time jobs count as multiple jobs

[safe coral]

That internship was 3 months only

[smoky quest]

Ok. Multiple full time activities count as multiple full time activities

[safe coral]

So you can’t be full time student and full time employee?

[smoky quest]

no

[safe coral]

You live in a parallel universe then. I worked 32 hours a week

[smoky quest]

I understand that. And in my universe, people do find jobs

[safe coral]

No he thinks I can’t work and study full time

[delicate swift]

[smoky quest]

It's not just me. 16h per day without counting breaks, sleep, eating, shopping, etc.

[safe coral]

So?

[sleek copper]

do you speak like this irl too?

[delicate swift]

That sounds unrealistic and miserable

[smoky quest]

so it's not normal and highly sus

[safe coral]

I’ve been doing that all my life. I worked 7 days a week before

[smoky quest]

I am fully aware and cognizant of that. They also have evening classes too.
But the keyword in your sentence is part time

[delicate swift]

...I think you might have worked under illegal conditions

[safe coral]

Not really

I worked 5 days in one place and another place for 2 days a week

[smoky quest]

The argument here is working 2 full time activities. So 2x8h per day

[safe coral]

That’s why I finished college in 5 years read my education. I didn’t finish in 4 years @smoky quest

[smoky quest]

No one will read it in such details or care

over employment was a meme during the pandemic

[safe coral]

I took 3 classes per semester @turbid bobcat

9 credits count as full time

6 counts as part time

3-4

For masters full time is 6 credits

I was talking about undergrad

I mean I’m doing 9 credits for masters

I did 9 for undergrad too

It might be part time actually

My undergrad was 9-12 credits

[pine sleet]

that seems a bit on the low end

but i guess it depends on school

[tawdry sable]

suggest changes to this pls

[safe coral]

That might be why I graduated in 5 years but I got two majors and 2 minors

[pine sleet]

for us it's 12 hours to be considered FT

[safe coral]

I went between 9-12 so that makes me part time? @pine sleet I graduated in 5 years tho

Because I took so many courses

I had too many credits at the end of my 4th year I was no longer eligible for financial aid

[pine sleet]

i think it depends on the college but yes at mine you would be considered a part time student

[pine sleet]

shouldn't you have graduated earlier then

[safe coral]

I ended up 261 credits @pine sleet

[pine sleet]

interesting

was this in the US

[pine sleet]

oh

[safe coral]

Yup hahaha

[pine sleet]

i guess that is more reasonable

wehre did the transfer credits come from tho

[safe coral]

Turkey. I had a college degree there too

[sleek copper]

i would try to make the bullet points shorter in any way you can

[pine sleet]

i see

yeah that makes more sense

[whole flare]

BS in Linguistics right?

[safe coral]

Yup

I’m not putting that in my resume tho…

Wow

I actually took 4-5 classes per semester @pine sleet

Maybe I worked 24 hours during college? I can’t remember

I graduated a year ago and now full time so 👽

Yeah I changed my job to part time in Marriott already @turbid bobcat

Bachelor of Arts?! That seems wrong…

[sleek charm]

Was about to say..

[whole flare]

data science is an art form /j

[safe coral]

I got bachelors of science…

There’s no BA in Data Science tho

And it says my major was Math

[whole flare]

my academic title is PhD in Javascript Deobfuscation

[safe coral]

Anyway so that should clear it

[pine sleet]

some, in the types of classes you take

[sleek charm]

Anyone here from the UK?

[pine sleet]

also sometimes correlates with the department for your major

[sleek copper]

BSc will get picked up better by a poorly configured ATS

[peak halo]

Always ask your actual question. Don't ask to ask.

[sleek charm]

🫡 forgive me Sir stelercus

[safe coral]

I changed my current position as a part time in Marriott so it doesn’t look suspicious for school and internship

And I checked my schedule it seems I did work 24 hours a week

Fridays Saturdays and Sundays

[sleek charm]

Always randomly appearing in a conversation + that pfp is unsettling man 😭

[safe coral]

So that’s part time 😄

[peak halo]

I mean I'm one of the people who runs the server.

[sleek charm]

I figured 🫲☠️

[safe coral]

I passed the technical interview in a job position I applied to @turbid bobcat

[peak halo]

You can say "Can any Brits in the chat tell me ..."

[safe coral]

I got 95

My percentile is 98

So 2 percent scored better than me 😩

[sleek charm]

Noteddd

Question: Is the barrier to entry for game development relatively low?

A friend of mine whose only been coding for probably a year or two, created an enemy ai for a client who paid him £3000 (He said the client was likely just hella rich), then he supported a small team in the making of a game, and looking at his proficiency/knoweledge in programming he probably sits barely at a Junior position.

The work was via a freelancing discord server btw

[cobalt moat]

the barrier for entry is low but it gets complicated fast especially when working with the newer technologies

[sleek charm]

Do you mind elaborating on that please

[cobalt moat]

it is very easy to start in game development and make small games. It can even be done in python. But it does get very hard when you need to use other engines like unreal or unity to make complex games that need optimizations and 3d graphics and networking.

[sleek charm]

Ahh I see

Would you consider it a better use of one's time to become proficient in c++ in comparison to Python considering its more suited to the specific field

[smoky quest]

It's all relative. Freelancing on small tasks is not the same than making a career in a gamedev studio.
£3000 might also sound a lot, but depending on the number of hours worked on it, the taxes and other costs, it might not actually be that much in the end

[cobalt moat]

if becoming an unreal engine dev is your goal yes

[smoky quest]

It depends on what parts of the jobs. Gamedev is super broad and cannot be summarized to the core inner working of an engine

[sleek charm]

My Goal is backend development, I was interested on what the field entailed since me and my friend speak regularly

[smoky quest]

gamedev as a field does have a reputation of working a lot for lower pay

[sleek charm]

Wouldn't various factors play a part in determining that? Such as geographical location, company etc

[smoky quest]

Not really. Every kid wants to work in gamedev.
Not every kid wants to work on accounting software.

One will have trouble finding candidates while the other one will always have a long line of applicants

[sleek charm]

I'd love to work in accounting software, financial analysis with Python/Java. Could you elaborate on what would generally be the requirements to get into accounting software

[smoky quest]

A CS degree would be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[sleek charm]

I see, thank you for your input recursive

[safe coral]

Omg

I got another interview lmao. What the fuck is going on. 6 interviews in two days 🤣

@hearty island bruhhhhhhh

[hearty island]

I am so proud of you, see? I fucking told you so.

[true harness]

why is everyone just telling you to email "YES". that's so odd to me. every single email i've got for interviewing has always had some sort of scheduling talk

[hearty island]

psvm has a point

[safe coral]

I said yes to one of those and they emailed me again for scheduling @true harness

[hearty island]

@safe coral https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3938865181 here ya go fam

[hearty island]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3980478658

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3927709201 moody's is rather hard to get into, but i'm putting it here.

[fringe sphinx]

Seems like some sort of automated resume system, probably feeds directly into an OA or other screening tool, before going into main review pipeline.

[true harness]

maybe. the lack of personalization and...general humanness feels weird

[hearty island]

i second psvm on this one, normally when recruiters reached out to me it was never reach out to me with an "OK"

it was something like this:

or "Hi Damian,

Thank you for your interest in Nomura. I would like to speak with you regarding your resume and application for the Client Onboarding Analyst role. Could you please send back a few times that would work for you to connect?

Many thanks!

recruiter"

[fringe sphinx]

On plus side, even if it's just automation, it means resume is hitting keywords and ATS scanning well.

[nimble mountain]

As others have said a CS degree would probably help
Python would probably be a bad choice for accounting/finance since most mission critical software is developed using languages like cpp/Java/Erlang and in some cases legacy languages
If you’re more interested in the analysis/reporting side def learn a visualization tool like PowerBI/Tableau since those two hold a de facto duopoly in enterprise reporting

[fringe sphinx]

Python is bad for accounting and finance? I think you'd be surprised.

Sure, perhaps bad for hft but it's a big industry. I work in fintech.

[nimble mountain]

Not at all, it’s a great tool, it’s just that I’ve never seen Python used for mission critical software

I have colleagues that work at zucchetti (big European accounting/finance cloud vendor) and they mainly work in Java/PHP

[fringe sphinx]

It's a big industry that uses all sorts of languages and platforms. Python is a major language in this industry.

[nimble mountain]

Absolutely, I’ve personally written invoicing software using Python at work, it’s just that there’s no way I’d work on scaling that

[fringe sphinx]

But OP's question had nothing to do with mission critical and 'scaling'.... regardless, Python is fairly central to many financial analysis workflows. I can cite, but I think it's pretty well established.

In fact, I think Python fluency is (or should be) pretty much required for new grad financial analysts.

[nimble mountain]

Definitely, I probably phrased my comment wrong, Python is a must have, just that it’s even more so for analyst roles

Just my experience tho

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, it should be noted that students should expect to see multiple languages over the course of their education.
So the specific language at play is a distraction. They can pick that up any time

[nimble mountain]

Can you actually get a job without knowing a programming language or picking it up later ?

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, I didn't want to over - react, just wanted to say that for OPs question about financial analysis, I thought Python makes sense as a first language.

[smoky quest]

You wouldn't get a degree without knowing a language

[nimble mountain]

Where I live you don’t really learn to code in uni
It’s more about data structures, algorithms etc

[smoky quest]

Which country is that?
I have never heard of a country where you go through years of CS to not see any programming language

[fringe sphinx]

If you're asking: can you get a job in, say, c++ if you don't know it? It's hard to predict and depends on supply and demand for that language, I think

Ie: I got hired for a Java job back in the day, but only knew c++, but the market was tight and I had other redeeming qualities.

[smoky quest]

• Are you looking for hiring a senior engineers who knows the inner working of the JVM and how to tune it and how to train engineers on that? Definitely needs to have that experience
• Are you looking for a backend engineer? Anyone can pickup python/java in a matter of days. That's the easy part. The difficult part is the backend related skills. So it's routine to hire people who have not exclusively worked in the specific stack of the employer

[nimble mountain]

My masters is in high performance computing and data science
While you do “code” you’re not really learning good design patterns
It’s more about the theory, there are coding classes but they’re extracurricular, it’s expected that you learn to actually code at home
I live in Italy btw

[smoky quest]

Ah yeah. But you do have to write projects and code, right?

[fringe sphinx]

'Not really learning good design patterns': yah, that's why we call new grads 'junior engineers'. That's understood, although you can develop your skills independently to stand out

[nimble mountain]

Yea, last one I did was about writing cuda kernels
It’s soooooo jank, professors aren’t really looking for “good” code, they just wanna see if you understand the basics
Most of the course work is related to high level stuff like how the architecture is laid out

[smoky quest]

Sure. That's normal.
Anyone can pick up git in an afternoon. That's not the most valuable use of the school time to spend hours on git for you.
What's more valuable are the skills which will serve you throughout your 40 years long career.

But in the end, you do write code and you do deliver projects.
As such, languages would not be blockers

[fringe sphinx]

Getting involved in OSS is one way to develop your 'engineering' skills, you learn a lot from the project structure, testing and rigor of even medium sized projects. Even if you're just testing or reporting bugs.

[smoky quest]

languages are like tools. You pick the tool for the job.
Similarly to screwdrivers or hammers. What matters is not that you can use a hammer but the space rocket you can build with these tools

[smoky quest]

Also to add that the best students are the ones who do learn the theory but also put it in practice. As you are entering the adult life, no one will sit down to give you a grand class on topics anymore.
So do not hesitate to pick up on your own other skills that schools won't teach you

[nimble mountain]

Def, I got a job last year to support myself through uni and I wouldn’t have gotten it if it wasn’t for all the skills I learned on my own
My hiring manager actually told me that most applicants never even heard of unit tests lol

It’s a sort of blessing because you can easily stand out by upskilling yourself since most other students usually just learn the coursework and don’t go further

[fringe sphinx]

'Usually just learn the coursework': I wish. Many didn't even do that.

[nimble mountain]

Yea I have a friend that finished her bachelors early by cheating on all the exams
Kinda mad about it but I guess she’s never gonna get into a technical position

[whole flare]

Yikes.

[hearty island]

python is fantastic for accounting and finance. edit: wrong ping sorry.

[smoky quest]

none that relate to #career-advice

[strong badge]

myb i dont read most of the time lol

[smoky quest]

We don't do ads here

[solid sonnet]

Like as in the whole server or just this channel?

[smoky quest]

the whole server

[solid sonnet]

Should I take it down?

[smoky quest]

that would be nice. Thanks!

Feel free to hang out any time you want to discuss career or advise folks here too!

[solid sonnet]

Does anyone here make softwares?

[graceful owl]

i imagine most people here do

[solid sonnet]

How'd they came to learn that?

[graceful owl]

by doing programming

[solid sonnet]

So how, and where should I start from?

[smoky quest]

If you are in HS or college age, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[solid sonnet]

I'm in my last year of college, although I want to start learning skills along with the degree.

[graceful owl]

what are you studying in college?

[solid sonnet]

A full fledged software programming skills would be nice.

Cs and other subjects.

[smoky quest]

Practice makes perfect. One way is to have your own project or double down on the school projects

[wanton locust]

what do you plan on doing with these skills later on

[solid sonnet]

Become a software pro, open a firm and do business i guess.

[graceful owl]

you should try and make as many projects from start to finish

[wanton locust]

so you want to be the inventor face of the business

you should do as many mini projects as you can for 6-12 months then start a bigger project which will help you learn skills for the business plan

[solid sonnet]

Well for that, like I said to start somewhere you need to know what that thing/project requires, and I don't even think I know the basics of programming.

Like I need to know where I should start from to actuate my journey towards my goals.

[graceful owl]

i thouhgt you were in school for CS?

[solid sonnet]

Schools don't teach much.

[smoky quest]

schools teach so much.
It's also what you make of it in terms of applying the skills

[solid sonnet]

The skills you need lie somewhere else hidden.

I'll have to wait 5 years in order to become even the least version of my ideal self.

Looking for a way around the back, which will teach me the same things I need to learn with the right guidance in a short period of time.

[fringe sphinx]

Huh? You want to drop out?

[solid sonnet]

I just want to fasten the process of acquiring the same knowledge that I can probably learn somewhere else too.

So I'll do my uni in no time.

[graceful owl]

i'm surprised you say that schools don't teach much tbh,

[solid sonnet]

Can't say much about Universities although college is just about getting you prepared for your exams.

[wanton locust]

not much more than you can find online

[solid sonnet]

It's exactly like that.

[graceful owl]

oh i think there's a misunderstanding: does college mean pre-university to you?

[wanton locust]

why be limited by student loans when you can get the same education for free

[smoky quest]

far more than you can imagine

[wanton locust]

maybe for you, but generally no

[hybrid sapphire]

hey

[smoky quest]

most likely for you, generally yes

[solid sonnet]

I sure hope it does what I think it means, because if my college is on par with Universities, then it's going to be a hell lot harder.

[wanton locust]

i know people who have paid $250k over 20-30 years in student loans

[graceful owl]

can you show me the free online learning resources for denotational semantics

[hybrid sapphire]

whats up y'all

[wanton locust]

colleges use free resources..

[graceful owl]

are you >18? or does college mean the same thing as 'school' for you

[hybrid sapphire]

Bro you can just serch on yt mosh hamedani

[graceful owl]

like professors? who will speak directly to you?

[hybrid sapphire]

he's the best

[wanton locust]

you think you can't get an online professor or teacher?

[solid sonnet]

I wish I could tell you if I saw what the future holds, although my mindset isn't developed yet to not agree with that statement.

[graceful owl]

for free? who is a leader in the field?

[fringe sphinx]

Learning is an individual journey: transitioning to higher education is about finding your own motivation and purpose to learn. Many people fail to realize their potential in Uni.

[wanton locust]

there's no point paying for a full college education if you want to learn computer science

[fringe sphinx]

Why do you say that?

[graceful owl]

??? what does this mean

[wanton locust]

there are cheaper alternatives that teach the same thing

[fringe sphinx]

My advice is just think of it as a matter of balance: Uni is one piece of the equation, not the entire equation.

[fringe sphinx]

Such as?

[solid sonnet]

I mean it's just about the degree, but real skills aren't meant to be taught at any level, unless you're ambitious enough to look for it.

[wanton locust]

coding is something that should be self taught in my opinion

[smoky quest]

It's the opposite. You will face many hurdles on your own. From knowing what to learn, getting access to resources, building a professional network or even demonstrating your skills for jobs

[fringe sphinx]

Ah, do you know how much of a CS curriculum is coding?

[graceful owl]

i'm curious as to why you think this? where are you in your career right now? what's your educational background?

[wanton locust]

most of it is engineering and programming fundamentals

[fringe sphinx]

Not really.

[wanton locust]

this is a python server

[fringe sphinx]

Look at the course curriculum for a CS undergrad degree. You'll find maybe 2-3 actual 'programming' courses, maybe a 4th in software engineering.

[solid sonnet]

Aren't there paid courses that teach the same thing or even more by certified people?

[smoky quest]

you mean like teachers? In a school?

[wanton locust]

i think we have mixed contexts

[fringe sphinx]

Your question is same as Obscures: I believe you're making a false assumption about what's covered in a CS degree program.

[solid sonnet]

From people who are certified in their CS skills.

[smoky quest]

How is it different from teachers in school?

[wanton locust]

it doesn't cost you 6 figures for one

[smoky quest]

I can assure you that private teachers would probably cost far more

[solid sonnet]

Enlighten my mind and I welcome exposures to new possibilities.

[wanton locust]

a few thousand at most

[fringe sphinx]

I suggest looking at the requirements for a CS degree. Look at the actual courses.

[smoky quest]

For 4-5 years? People who are at the forefront of the technology?

[wanton locust]

you won't need a private teacher for 4-5 years

[graceful owl]

a single CS teacher that will have the same combined knowledge as multiple professors?

[smoky quest]

I think you should follow BillyBobby advice and look up the curriculum

[wanton locust]

it's not like i'm talking about MIT, i believe american education is corrupted overall

[solid sonnet]

I don't think it'll take more than a year to learn a whole course of fundamentals of programming.

[fringe sphinx]

Are you in academia?

[graceful owl]

did you go to school for CS?

[wanton locust]

to be able to apply yourself it will take at least 2

[smoky quest]

So you are talking about a subset of the first year of a degree. Sure. But that's not equivalent

[solid sonnet]

Do more than one course at the same time maybe.

[wanton locust]

no

[smoky quest]

What does that mean?

[fringe sphinx]

Intro / fundamentals of programming is just one course in freshman year. About 1/8th of 1 year.

[smoky quest]

If you are in HS/College age, then a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[wanton locust]

sure, if you can afford it

[solid sonnet]

Take on more than one course of a certified teacher to actively gain more knowledge with less time.

[wanton locust]

crippling yourself with the debt is not worth the 4 year education you receive

[smoky quest]

There are ways to cheapen the cost like in state tuition, grants, leveraging community college, or even student loans

[graceful owl]

did you graduate from a CS degree? or are you working without a degree?

[smoky quest]

It's an investment. It's up to you if you want to save on 4 years of education and make a starting salary in the 6 digits or just struggle with very low wages throughout your life

[wanton locust]

i'm going to community college studying business

[fringe sphinx]

SWEing is a pretty well paid field. I think the math here is very suspect.

[wanton locust]

i've been learning programming since very young and did many semester long courses during high school

a portfolio is sometimes more than a degree if you want a job

[smoky quest]

not really. That's not how it works

[wanton locust]

really?

[smoky quest]

no cap

[fringe sphinx]

I'll just leave with an appeal to experience: many of us have advanced degrees and have worked in industry. I'm a hiring manager, and have been for a long time. While I do have concerns about higher education, what RE said is spot on: <#career-advice message>

[wanton locust]

i never said it wasn't good, i just don't think it's worth it in america

heard many many stories of people complaining about their cs education

[smoky quest]

The market disagree with your take though

[wanton locust]

🤷‍♂️

[smoky quest]

so it comes down to how much you believe your take and whether or not you are willing to bet your remaining life/career on it

[fringe sphinx]

I complain about McDonald's, but I still buy their sandwiches.

[wanton locust]

i'm not personally seeking a tech job so it's not worth as much to me

[smoky quest]

Sure. If you don't want a tech/swe job, then a CS degree has lower value for you

[fringe sphinx]

The reason we're pushing back is: you're dispensing what we (at least I) see as bad advice to people who -are- seeking tech jobs

[wanton locust]

the only reason i didn't mention a proper education is because he was already in his last year of college and didn't seem to want to go that route

i was a bit bland to begin with

[graceful owl]

do you think someone that has (admittedly) zero programming experience is in the same boat as you who has been programming from a young age

[wanton locust]

i didn't learn that way and neither should anyone else that isn't looking for a tech job

[graceful owl]

what is your point? this person is looking for a tech job

[wanton locust]

he stated he wanted to do business, which is what i'm also doing.

it's all about what you want to do in the end

[fringe sphinx]

Fair, if you want to 'do business', a CS degree is not recommended (unless it's a software business).

[graceful owl]

tbf, they did say they wanted to start a software business and be a 'software pro'

[wanton locust]

once again we have mixed contexts

i'm gonna leave it at this because he's not even here anymore so there's no point

[solid sonnet]

I'll welcome good recommendations of courses to start my journey as I am still young, have some other stuff to attend to, so I'll take my leave. And DM if y'all have any ideas to assist me in my journey.

[hearty island]

!resources, this should help you champ. I would do the famous Python Harvard course if you wanna get strong fundamentals

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[obtuse root]

do u think cs will be a saturated job in the future??

[hearty island]

i think every job is going to be full of competition in the future.

[dark shell]

is there still money in gamedev

[hearty island]

game dev is one of the hardest fields out there.

[dark shell]

because of competion right?

[hearty island]

simply because of the industry culture and pressure as well.

[dark shell]

ok, thanks

[obtuse root]

is it too late if i try starting now this is catu stressing me out

[hearty island]

Are you currently in college? High school? There isn’t an “age” to start coding really.

[obtuse root]

2 years left until i graduate high school

but like do u think com sci is a degree thats too broad??

should i go for amth more specific like data science or ai engineering

[hearty island]

data sci/data eng would pigeonhole you imo, but i think others should weigh in. CS is a lot more general and would give you a more "full"view of coding as an entirety.

kinda like if you do cybersec as a degree you wouldn't really end up doing a lot of data science.

what do you think about what i said lisan, do you wanna weigh in?

[obtuse root]

like i heard that being too general puts u at a disadvantage idk anymore 😭😭

[hearty island]

specializing too early might screw you over too

[sturdy magnet]

hi

def "myfunc"(a,b):
return a*b what is wrong

[hearty island]

dude my corp is obsessed with it. to the point where my new org is like no we have rules in place.

[hearty island]

wrong spot, man.

[obtuse root]

do u think 2 years is enough for me to figure out which specific field in com sci i should specialize??

at first i was thinking i should do cs for my bachelors and smth more specific for my masters, but someboyd told me degrees are useless for com sci related??

[sturdy magnet]

k

[hearty island]

i'd have picked a minor in finance/accounting and a major in biz analytics. love financial statements and DCFs and shit.

[hearty island]

degrees are useless, huh. guess we're all wrong then 💀. on a more serious note, degrees are your least path of resistance.

[obtuse root]

i thought so too 😭😭

what about the people who say thta portfolio matters more than a degree. is that true

[hearty island]

why am i getting pithink'd

a college degree simply put imo teaches you how to learn.

[obtuse root]

ohh thats a relief thank you so much

what if u dont know if u have a passion for coding yet. is it bad to go for com sci simply bc u like math nad com sci is the only practical math degree youd be willing to do???

[hearty island]

you are trying to enter CS without a passion for coding? that's gonna be.... interesting.

[true harness]

you know you can just try coding, right?

[obtuse root]

based on ur answer im screwed over 😭😭

[hearty island]

no, you're not, just trying to figure you out.

[obtuse root]

i just finished my igcses so im trying 😭😭

[hearty island]

you in the UK @obtuse root?

[obtuse root]

noo im not but i still do igcse

[hearty island]

ah, i don't have a background in that. i'm in the US.

i agree with this. i bombed out for a year of college taking CS and figured a pure CS degree wasn't for me. but business analytics? hell yea.

i discovered i love finance and accounting too during my courses in my major

Jamie Dimon: It almost doesn't matter to tell you the truth because you're looking for smart, ethical, decent people, but I do think in business you should learn the language of business, which is accounting and learn a little basic business.

finance, accounting, micro and macro econ came a lot easier to me as opposed to something like a coding project

but if i never took CS i never would've never been exposed to this server.

[obtuse root]

thank you guys for these insights 😭😭 couldnt get it anywhere else

[hearty island]

there are a lot of CS people who graduated a year ago than me that don't have a job because CS wasn't really their strongest field. but they gritted their teeth and did it anyways for hopes of that sweet green.

[flat kindle]

anyone got some freelance jobs/servers ?, need around 180$ in 24 hours .

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[flat kindle]

anywhere i can find help?

[hearty island]

fiverr, potentially?

[flat kindle]

wont work for new user

[hearty island]

hell, there are people who graduated a year or two earlier than me who are still searching.

[flat kindle]

i got a job

[obtuse root]

thats scary 😭😭

what do u do for a job as a physics major tho

[flat kindle]

i need some urgently

[true harness]

get a loan

[hearty island]

true, but not a single internship to their name either? doesn't really show initiative on their part.

[flat kindle]

dont want to get into that shit

like i dont want anyone to think m going through a hard time or smth

[hearty island]

that's two pithinks in a day.

[flat kindle]

meaning?

[hearty island]

it's psvm's way of saying hmmmm iirc

ok psvm now you're just doing it for fun

[true harness]

ask a friend then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[graceful owl]

ngl as someone in charge of hiring new grads i would much rather see good projects than an internship

[hearty island]

i had to interview replacements for my role. if i see a resume with nothing on it, there's not much i can do.

[true harness]

why? (and of course, people with internships can have projects also)

[hearty island]

your projects are fucking sick, from what i've seen.

[graceful owl]

i think projects demonstrate a lot better what a candidate is really interested in and good at, and can showcase their skills to top potential

i feel like in internships a lot of time is wasted, there's not much stuff that you can actually end up discussing in interview

[hearty island]

i definitely feel like my time was wasted during a significant chunk of my 6 internships.

[graceful owl]

yeah dawg you did 6 internships ofc yo uwasting your time

[hearty island]

lol. distinguished me from everyone else at my school, tho.

[graceful owl]

no offense lol, but having like 6 internships doesn't really different from having 1 or 2 imo

[hearty island]

no man, none taken. it's sad i had to do so many. i was over-compensating for the quality of my school.

[graceful owl]

but if you built some cool compiler tooling, game engine, dbms, etc. that would make you stand out more imo

[hearty island]

not my field or what i wanna do.

[true harness]

maybe. but internships also give you access to things that you can't really get on your own, like working on some large scale project. there might be less individual impact, but i think that experience is valuable

[hearty island]

internships gave me soft skills or augmented them.

[graceful owl]

yeah for sure, i feel like for a good hire this stuff should be super teachable quickly anyway

[hearty island]

idk a lot of my interviews were revolving around my internships. they gave me a ton to talk about. keep in mind i got 2 CJOs and 2 actual offers.

possibly a third if i wanted from Nomura.

they were excellent tools in my arsenal to leverage.

[graceful owl]

i feel like you will have gone through a v different experience though, given you're not going into sweng/even a programming related job

[hearty island]

true, i'm more finance-oriented.

[graceful owl]

of course building an optimising compiler isn't useful if you're applying to be a landscape artist, right

[hearty island]

i still think what i did in college does help people on this server, however. getting practical exp has been highlighted by every recruiter i've ever talked to.

[true harness]

i think internships have diminishing marginal utility though

[hearty island]

depends, i mean i switched it up. from doing them at startups, to mid sizes, to a fortune 500. allowed me to be exposed to multiple environments.

[radiant vortex]

How long were your 6 internships for each?

[wraith flame]

someone help me

when i want open "main.py" this script i see only for 1 sec black screen in commands and its close

[radiant vortex]

#python-discussion please, also you need to run it from a terminal with python main.py

[graceful owl]

recruiting for what type of job though

[hearty island]

most recent? 3 months. before that, 5 months. before that, 2 months. before that, 4 months. before that, 10 months. before that, 1 month.

[wraith flame]

come private message pls

[radiant vortex]

no, please go to #python-discussion

[hearty island]

i extended my job scope rather wide and focused on roles with the word "analyst" in them on LI.

[radiant vortex]

I would have thought that a company would offer you a job from the internship?

[hearty island]

they did in september, man the offer was like $50K. i declined. i ended up getting an offer this july for $80K.

[radiant vortex]

fair

[hearty island]

yea.

[wraith flame]

no one help in python discussion lol

[hearty island]

i did start up -> mid size -> (same) fortune 500 -> mid size -> (same) fortune 500 -> (same) fortune 500

[radiant vortex]

You asked a question and didn't even wait a minute for an answer, be patient

[radiant vortex]

ah nice, good experience

[hearty island]

same mid size took me back as well, CEO took me to dinner and wanted to hire me full time and i was down till he told me the salary and my jaw dropped and in my head i was like fuck i am cooked.... can't pay off student loans with that

[radiant vortex]

did you manage to negotiate anything?

[hearty island]

for my curr offer?

[radiant vortex]

for this

[hearty island]

no, he wouldn't listen to me really. he was like you're lucky in this job market to get something.

it was a mid size insurance firm on LI, he was pocketing a sweet $180k i believe.

he had years of industry exp tho.

no, he just wouldn't budge.

[fleet iris]

hey
i pretty much decided to go for DS degree. Even though my wish is to become a SWE. i think i would be able to manage time and develop SWE skills along with this degree.
i dont know actually what does it mean to be DataScientist i hope i will be fine getting a SWE role with this degree

[vapid jay]

Any advice for me? I'm thinking about rejecting a part time contract position in data science to focus on grad school + projects. I want to get into data engineering, MLE, or SWE.

[hearty island]

if you wanna do SWE, why choose data sci?

[true harness]

why are you doing a DS degree if you want to be a SWE and don't know what DS is

[fleet iris]

i am looking for online mode.. I cant find any good CS degree online in india

this DS degree was the best i could find which had placements too

[hearty island]

some impacts would be nice. check this out: https://careerlaunch.mays.tamu.edu/blog/2020/02/17/get-hired-with-an-x-y-z-resume/#:~:text=The X-Y-Z format&text=Google touts the X-Y-Z resume,heart of an applicant's achievements.

[fleet iris]

thier syllabus also teaches cs stuff like dsa,software engineering.

[vapid jay]

Is it possible to create impacts with only research experience?

[hearty island]

well, did your research have tangible impacts?

[vapid jay]

nope

drug interaction vs cancer stem cell count

Data fitting: gradient descent for parameter search on the gompertz function + euler's/runge-kutta on some diffeqs. HER2 blockers on generic CSC count. No publication.

The part time job is with my states goverment to do workforce analytics but its part time and the pay is trash

I have an offer but I'm thinking about rejecting it

Ah. They were both REUs.

$20/hr, max 20hrs a week.

I would also have to go LDR with my girlfriend which is what is currently stopping me unless its a huge career boost

I'm going to grad school next semester but I have applied for FT positions as well

$400/week isn't livable anywhere in the US

Rent for an ok single bedroom apartment is ~1100-1300

I'm tempted to wait for a FT position. Do you think its possible to get a targeted internship in fall/spring + summer without anything else on my resume besides a few projects?

I think I'm also torn on the probability of landing a fall/spring internship that would be more beenficial to me

I'm happier living overseas

I'm a US citizen but I live overseas because I hate the city I went to school in.

Yes, back to the city I went to school in

They told me that it was in-person during the first phone screen but I can try

[obtuse root]

what do you need to get a job ?? only a degree can't be enough

practical experience?? like w jobs??

ohh icic do u do internships remotely orr?? how do u find an internship

ohh icic thanks so much !!

say i manage to finish cs50P what should i do next

[balmy mural]

What stage of education are you currently in? Still in school? Busy with university degree? Something else?

[kindred oyster]

make projects about stuff you like
maybe learn a library that interests you , like flask / django

[obtuse root]

2 years until i graduate highschool

[obtuse root]

whats a library
what if i dont know what to code 😭😭
sometimes my creativity is non existent 😞😞

[kindred oyster]

i thought you had finished cs50p ?

that course should teach you coding in python (not to an advanced level , but to a good level )

[balmy mural]

Then I'd say just start doing some random projects that interest you. Make a small game, build a small website, do something in robotics. Now is the perfect time to just explore everything and figure out what you enjoy more

If you've completed cs50p and don't know how to code it sounds like you just watched the videos without doing any of the excercises or understanding what you were watching

[obtuse root]

not yett but ill start grinding it after this vacation

[kindred oyster]

then focus on finishing that first , dont think of specifics which concern step no 6 when you havent even climbed step 1

[obtuse root]

ohh when its a project, we dont have to invent something completely new rightt

[obtuse root]

wait but what about cs50x, would i have to do that before cs50p??

[kindred oyster]

i am not familiar with the syllabus of both , so i cant say

you should check the prerequisite of those courses

[obtuse root]

the x is intro to com sci in general while the p is intro to python

i mean i guess u can take both as a complete beginner

[balmy mural]

They're not prerequisites of each other. cs50x has more of a focus on an introduction to computer science, cs50p is an introduction on just python

[obtuse root]

i keep planning stuff to do but cant get nth done 💀💀💀

[balmy mural]

I'd suggest starting with cs50x since you cover the basics of a few languages, sql, algorithms, etc.

[kindred oyster]

then start with x , after you finish that , do p

[obtuse root]

icic ill do that

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with above. If you're an absolute beginner, either X or P are good... but, P is a more typical intro programming course for a beginner college student

[obtuse root]

ohh i see. thanks!!

[muted bridge]

If I get a masters in Applied Statistics and my goal is to work in ML, should I still pursue an MS in ML?

I am being pretty vague but basically it's way easier to do an MS in applied statistics for me

[gritty rivet]

Should you do two Master's degrees? No, definitely not. I would imagine getting hired as an ML engineer with an MS in Applied Statistics is not that unusual, but you could search people in your local area via LinkedIn etc. to confirm this

[muted bridge]

thanks

[vapid jay]

could anyone please differentiate between (if, elif and else) in python and how to use them please reply

[kindred oyster]

this is wrong channel for such questions , use #python-discussion or #1035199133436354600

[vapid jay]

oh sorry

[vapid jay]

can u reply there?

[kindred oyster]

me or someone else will help you

[vapid jay]

could u please help

[fleet imp]

hello, has anyone done TA work for CS courses here? I'd like to ask some questions in dms if anyone is comfortable with it

[dark shell]

what are good cybersecurity tests i can take online that give me certifications

[gritty rivet]

I think you can technically do any CompTIA cert exams online, but better to go to a testing center if you can

Most other security-related certs with any value require professional experience.

That's not counting online degree programs like WGU

[dark shell]

ok, thank you

[lilac sundial]

Whats the best masters degree for swe

[gritty rivet]

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/computer-science-rankings

[fringe sphinx]

Any 'best' question always begs the answer: 'it depends'

[crisp stream]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[lilac sundial]

Tru

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe tell us more about you/what you want?

[lilac sundial]

Im abt to be done w my undergrad in a yr or so and im planning to do my masters in something swe related so i can get a good job hopefully

[fringe sphinx]

What's your undergrad major

[vapid jay]

hi bob pls answ my dm

@fringe sphinx

[fringe sphinx]

I don't dm, just ask here

We don't allow recruiting here, but you could try Fiverr

[vapid jay]

oh ok srry

[fringe sphinx]

All good, it's just too hard to moderate

[wraith flame]

whyi cant open python files when i open isee only in 1 sec black screen

[acoustic forge]

How are you opening the files

It seems like you are running the program

[gritty rivet]

That's not a career question, try #python-discussion or #editors-ides

[lilac sundial]

Computer science

[wraith flame]

double click

[peak halo]

this is the career discussion channel. please do not answer off-topic questions.

@acoustic forge you too ^

[sand patio]

Hi, so I start applying for colleges very soon (for CS), and while I have a decent selection of schools I'd like to apply to, a lot (maybe the majority) are reaches/high targets, and so I'd like some insight or suggestions of some schools that are fairly low reach in terms of difficulty, but still offer decent CS programs and job prospects post graduation. I know suggestions will vary depending on my stats - I go to school in a very competitive district, so while I have good grades, academics isn't going to be a defining point of my application, but I'm fairly confident I can get a 1500 on the SAT before I finalize my applications, and I have decent ECs.

for some more context, Virginia Tech, Rutgers, and similarly ranked unis are feasible targets for me.

I'm thinking maybe NCSU, but I'm not sure.

I also looked at Rose Hulman, but I wasn't a huge fan of the location.

I could also CC/George Mason for a year or so and then transfer to, like, UVA if I don't get accepted to any of my targets.

[vapid jay]

what state are you in?

[sand patio]

Virginia

VTech for the past few years has been almost unreasonably competitive 🥴 so it's not a sure thing if I'll get accepted there either

[vapid jay]

It doesn't hurt to apply. In the worst case, you can always go to George Mason like you said for a year and then transfer to VTech. It's not impossible.

[sand patio]

yeah I'll apply regardless, but it's still pretty worrying

[vapid jay]

You're going to ultimately want to find your way to VTech. CS Programs don't really mean a lot in terms of CS education, however, when it comes to employment, companies do target specific schools.

[sand patio]

although my school is apparently a feeder for tech, so that might help my chances (or hurt them, because more competition 😔)

[sand patio]

I see

[vapid jay]

probably 90% of your school is applying to VTech then lol

[sand patio]

lol, yeah I wouldn't be surprised

[outer rivet]

Man. Just got off a screening test with a credit card company. I figured out the trick on that last question too late and didn't have enough time to finish it. I got it submitted, with only 20/300 tests working.

[fringe sphinx]

How UMD in terms of reach? Nearby and with a good CS program

[vapid jay]

What was the question?

[sand patio]

I'm going to apply there, yeah 👀 it's a reach, though.

[peak halo]

Try reading this and give your thoughts in one of the off-topic channels. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_is_there_anything_at_all%3F

[sleek charm]

Sir Stelercus what exactly does this have to do with career discussion 🫡

[peak halo]

It doesn't. I told them to resume in an off-topic channel.

[sleek charm]

Lmao

[peak halo]

All good?

[sleek charm]

Yesss how's you're day been 🙂

Nah because u purposely refused to answer that question 🫲☠️

[deft herald]

Aw you can't use a word like resume in careers discussion

[peak halo]

This is not what I intended to happen when I redirected f1lukaas to off-topic. Please stop commenting on all this.

[harsh isle]

Ty

Mb ill delete my message

[whole flare]

[fleet reef]

“Web3” is a super common scam that tries to steal your money by getting you to “invest” in something that doesn’t exist

[pine sleet]

Hi, this server doesn't allow recruitment or being recruited, kindly delete your message

[pastel quail]

I'd consider adding RIT - co-op program, not too hard to get into, and it's pricey but if you get a decent SAT score you probably have a good shot at a scholarship (they gave me one)

[sand patio]

I see 👀 that did come up, I'll look more into it.

you're there for CS?

how do you like it?

[pastel quail]

nah i ended up choosing a different school, but im a rising freshman so wouldn't know anyways 😅

seems like the main downside would be the weather :P

[sand patio]

ah, I see.

[sand patio]

lol, is it rainy?

cold is fine

[pastel quail]

i think that area gets very cold in the winter, but if you're fine w cold it should be fine!

[sand patio]

I see, thanks!

I'm panicking somewhat less now

[pastel quail]

great lol

[true harness]

in general, the "success" of a student is more correlated with personal motivation and skills rather than the ranking of the school. but that isn't to say there are not benefits with going to a more prestigious school. that said, drexel is great, albeit expensive 👍

[fringe sphinx]

I told my kids anywhere but upstate New York (for the weather)

[sand patio]

I see, I'll look into that 👀

[true harness]

a certain geek with mod powers went there

[sand patio]

I suppose I can always go to CMU for my masters 😌

[fringe sphinx]

I figure if I need to visit them, I might as well get some good weather out of the bargain 🙂

[pastel quail]

lmao

[sand patio]

I'd much rather be cold than hot

[fringe sphinx]

You'll likely also have a 4+1 option at undergrad school, so that may influence

[sand patio]

oh? 👀

I think I know someone who's doing that, actually

they go to georgia tech, and had so many AP credits accepted that apparently they started out equivalent to a junior? and then decided to get their masters done early as well.

[fringe sphinx]

Even without that: schools that do a 4+1 typically will let you take grad classes senior year, and apply them towards both undergrad and masters.

[sand patio]

I see

isn't it also reasonable to work while you're doing a masters?

[fringe sphinx]

I did.

[sand patio]

I see

[fringe sphinx]

Not recommended for a PhD (part of why I didn't finish mine)

[regal axle]

Don't they pay you? Or rather, you work as part of you PhD. Being a TA or RA?

[sand patio]

you know, I've got a great uncle I've never met that apparently came to the U.S and just got a masters from like three different ivies

[sand patio]

you get a stipend, don't you?

but it's not typically a lot, I'd imagine

[fringe sphinx]

I was working full time, had my career/etc.

[sand patio]

doing research sounds fun, but doing a PhD also seems like kind of a pain.

[regal axle]

From research I did and people I talked to, it was enough to live and not need to take on debt. But nothing "fancy"

[true harness]

the general advice is that if you can live without a phd, you should not try for one

[smoky quest]

you should

[sand patio]

I see

lol are you automatically pinged whenever someone mentions cmu

[smoky quest]

I get referrals

[regal axle]

But it all depends on the school and program. Some are more just "here is money" and some are "here is money on conditions (like work as a TA)" Most are the TA route. But if you can apply for special money from various routes, that is preferred.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I met a lot of 'abd'-ers (all but dissertation) in the workforce.

[true harness]

as a "fun" anecdote, i had a prof that was a 5th year phd student. they were being paid 15 an hour to teach a course, and needed a separate job at walmart to live

[sand patio]

aw rip

[true harness]

there were numerous strikes of the TAs and RAs because they weren't being paid a lot (which they really weren't, i made the same amount at chipotle 🥴)

[stark egret]

How to start projects in python

[outer rivet]

It's one of those questions that tricks you into thinking you have to go through a list in like O(n^2) time with how the question is written.

[harsh river]

RIT Is a pretty good school, just be aware the CS program is highly competitive, the SWE as a result can be easier to get into

during the fall it's beatiful and chill but during winter it gets Freezing, however the dorms do tend to have really good Heaters, i'd also consider housing costs, you're forced to live in the dorms during you first year, and the housing is expensive, and since you're living on campus you're also forced to buy a meal plan, and insurance

one of the major downsides for a lot of students is that in the winter, the dorms and the college buildings are a bit far (not really, like 10 mins walking) and in the winter it sucks walking to and from the dorms, but there's a cool underground system that gets you pretty close to the colleges and saves you that pain, if you have any questions about RIT i can answer them 😛

it has one of the best co - ops program in the country, which makes it just as good as any fancy college tbh and for CS / SWE /engineering they have top of the line computers and a lot of support

cybersecurity even gets these beauties 😛

[smoky quest]

that's better than all the jobs I have seen

[harsh river]

the breakout rooms are awesome, three letter agencies send their people to recruit students out of the cyber range (the rooms you see there)

[smoky quest]

I can see why. Sounds awesome

[harsh river]

me and my buddies used to chill and plug in our PS's and had LAN parties there, fun stuff
if anyone asks, i didn't say that

[sand patio]

I see, you went there?

thanks for the advice, it's on my apply list now 👀

hopefully I get some sort of scholarship or whatever, but I'll worry about that if I get in

[sand patio]

oh what that's sick

[harsh river]

i was there for a semester or two and left for family reasons, i'll be heading back next semester or so

[sand patio]

I see 👀

[smoky quest]

don't get distracted. CMU first

[tepid forum]

gotta love the schools that pump out skiddies left and right

[pine sleet]

[harsh river]

if you think RIT is one of those, i got a bridge to sell to you

[tepid forum]

I don't purchase things from sales assholes

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> troll

[tepid forum]

... what?

an apple sales asshole tried to sell me a macbook

since we have a "business account", we have our own dedicated sales assholes

they call us peddling the latest trash, and they just read off their memorized script, it's pathetic

[pine sleet]

@tepid forum all of this is off topic, but your earlier statements come off as rude and are unnecessary, please re-review our #code-of-conduct if you have to

[nova snow]

[tribal sandal]

don't act like a nerd

[faint depot]

Just been feeling restless over past week. Such a pain in the arse waiting for fucking interviews. Im essentially at the final stages of two apprenticeships and confirmed to have an interview but Ive not been given any dates. Should I wait a week and then email the companies whats going on?

[gritty rivet]

A week is probably appropriate. In the meantime you can keep applying

[hearty island]

it's my last week at my old employer. they're slowly weaning me off tasks and having the other intern do my work

[faint depot]

the deadlines for apprenticeships is passed now. cant apply to anymore apprenticeships now. waiting for essentially 6 companies to get back to me

[hearty island]

what country is this? UK?

[faint depot]

yes. applied to an apprenticeship with BT and another apprenticeship with an engineering company

[hearty island]

best of luck. here in the US you're allowed to apply to as many internships as you want essentially.

[faint depot]

i applied somewhat late for the apprenticeships. thats why i cant apply to anymore apprenticeships at this moment in time. in about 1.5-2 months time is when i should be starting

[fading patio]

hello

[balmy mural]

Small question. I currently work at a company that does consulting. How would I indicate on my CV who the client I was located at was? It's probably not relevant to most applications, but the client I work with is a bank and I do believe that would have some worth in mentioning somehow if I were to apply to a position at a bank

Would I indicate it somehow in the first bullet point? Or would I include it in the company name somehow? For example:
<Company> (Client <Bank name>)

[regal axle]

Depends. Did you work with other clients? Or just the one?
In short though, there is no perfect way to do this.

[balmy mural]

I've only been with the one client

[regal axle]

This is what I did to indicate different clients I have worked with. Not to say you should copy. But this just an idea to think about

[regal axle]

In that case, yea, the $COMPANY (Client $BANK) is fine. Not perfect. But I think it should be fine.

[hearty island]

Did you end up landing a role from the interviews you did?

I should’ve networked some more, but my undergrad alum were stingy with responding

[regal axle]

Just need to sign the offer. But yes. (the guy who has the offer is traveling right now so we will see how many days. But it is days, not weeks)

[hearty island]

Fantastic stuff, man!!

[regal axle]

Thank you ❤️
It is going to be a big move. But it should be a great company to work for

[hearty island]

yea my company is in a totally different sector. Going to be exposed to a whole new world.

[regal axle]

Yea. Going from suburbs to big city. Very different. And hours away by plane. Could be good. Or maybe not ... (should be good I hope)

[hearty island]

I’ve been in the healthcare sector the entire time, now I’ve jumped into finance

[regal axle]

Nice. I was mostly doing my own thing. Freelance type stuff. And now I am also getting into finance. FinTech!

[hearty island]

Yaaaaaa!! I’m working for a firm that regulates other firms

[gritty rivet]

In fintech here too 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

I'm like 10% fin and 90% tech, but same

[gritty rivet]

I have zero background or particular interest in finance but my first dev job happens to be on a platform for banks. Seems like just a huge space for Python

[brazen island]

Has everything banking adjacent just been renamed to "FinTech"? Not a question in bad faith, genuinely curious

[gritty rivet]

Basically yeah. Or payment processing or anything financial

[brazen island]

Then I was in FinTech in 2018 😅

I guess it was more accounting related? I was in large $ServiceCompany that does payroll stuff for many companies. I was making something for them to understand their cost as well as (financial) performance relative to their competitors in the sector

[gritty rivet]

Yeah, that would generally fit.

I'm going to a fintech conference next month and Intuit is presenting... I definitely associate them more with accounting than banking

This kind of shows how broad it is. There are some on the list that have "fintech" as the "type of company" but there are all kinds of more specific things included. https://courses.cfte.education/ranking-of-largest-fintech-companies/

[delicate swift]

Oh, I've gotten the feedback from the recruiter that interviewed me this... last friday, I believe.
Apparently, they decided to move with another, internal candidate and that my profile didn't quite match what they were looking for.

[hearty island]

happens, mate. keep going though!

[delicate swift]

Which is... fine, I suppose.
People have told that the positive to take away is that I now have a better feeling and and practice of how true interviews generally go. And well, there's definitely that silver lining; I've gotten a good grasp of how my strength and weakness now, and looking back, I could've definitely worked my oratory and answers better. Oh, well. Hindisight's 20/20.
That said, I feel like an idiot for even worrying so much about this, and spend three days overthinking about it.

I feel like calling it a waste of time, but not quite.
Onto the next one.

[true harness]

the overthinking happens to everyone, really. it's kind of human nature to care a lot and analyze everything you did to find faults. just need to use it to improve instead of wallowing and coping, seething, or malding

[obsidian matrix]

Hey guys, can you give me some ideas of projets for data science and A.I that i could put on my github?

[hearty island]

go exercise, go do a hobby. anything.

[delicate swift]

I have a trip to the bank today 🥴 So hey there's something for me to do.

[hearty island]

gotcha

[delicate swift]

Apparently I got caught in their backend fuckup and I have to go there and unscrew my account

Why they couldn't fix it themselves, I do not know.

[lilac sundial]

Probably not the best plc to ask but should i primarily use my gaming laptop or my old macbook for projects , learning etc down the line for when ill hopefully get close to getting a good job

Basically , im asking if ill need the beefy power for making some higher lvl projects or maybe for something else , or if ill just be fine using a 7 yr old macbook

[kindred oyster]

unless you are doing something in AI/ML or smth similar , you dont need a much powerful laptop , you just need lots of ram and any modern day CPU

[deft herald]

My comanpy has virtualized compute available for devs. I would think any serious AI/ML company would do something similar instead of just giving everyone an expensive PC.

[lilac sundial]

Guess ill keep my legion 5 then

Was planning to sell
Although ill probs use mac a bit more in these early stages bc its more portable and ez to use

[safe coral]

Hey @turbid bobcat I updated my resume

How does it look?

I havent had an interview yet so 😄