career-advice

[brazen island]

Code it form A-Z yourself and then paste your entire project into GPT4. Considering you're new to Python it will point out helpful things

[mighty glade]

None that are impressive enough to showcase. Student full time as of now.

[fringe sphinx]

I won't go so far as to say 'rarely'. I think it's about as accurate as stackoverflow (60%? I dunno)

[brazen island]

Irrational claims. Are you even using 4 or are you basing this on 3.5 because they're so different?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, so your resume is very weak then. It just says: I've done the minimum. Get some projects going to build it up

Or student activities and clubs.

[mighty glade]

My friends got into Nvidia and Amazon with no projects, I'm not sure this is a requirement

[fringe sphinx]

I didn't say it's a requirement. I said your resume is weak: no different from everyone else.

[deft herald]

I only recently started using copilot (actually an internally-hosted copilot equivalent) at my job. The thing i find it most useful for is generating boiler-plate type code that's repetitive or somewhat tedious to write. I still often find myself hitting tab to autocomplete the AI suggestion, then going back through it and correcting some things

[brazen island]

For instance, when I was coding up some reinforcement learning algorithms I took them wholesale and pasted them into gpt4 to check if they were done correctly and indeed, it did fish out small implementation errors that many people wouldn't catch

[deep wharf]

ig the college or university had great placements

[deft herald]

It's still proving to be a pretty useful tool though

[mighty glade]

My average is high and the university I attend to is top of my country, It's not weak

[brazen island]

If it's wrong you lose absolutely nothing, you can double check it. You don't need to take its word for it.

[compact glacier]

Do you guys with coding jobs have a computer science degree?

[mighty glade]

Yep, we attend the same university
Which is why I'm asking for criticism about what I do have in my resume

[deft herald]

Nope. Electrical Engineering

[fringe sphinx]

I gave you criticism. Other than my criticism, all you have is your gpa x

[mighty glade]

Okay, thank you
Anything else?

[deep wharf]

well depends on your country but i think mostly good companies prefer a guy with degree

[fringe sphinx]

There's nothing else to criticize? I guess gpa: I've never seen gpa reported as a number out of 100.

[mighty glade]

I'm assuming you're american or from another english speaking country?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes.

You did say you're from Sesame Street.

[mighty glade]

Right, so GPA's are not commonly a thing outside those as far as I understand

The rating in Wonderland is #/100
I think translating it to GPA would be a bit weird

[fringe sphinx]

Follow your normal, for sure

[mighty glade]

Cool
Regarding the design and other details I've added (Classes taken, technical skills, whatever.) - seems okay?

[fringe sphinx]

Again, without projects or anything, I would assume you don't or barely know the skills listed.

Many students claim knowledge, and it comes down to 'I used pandas once for a class but I don't remember it's

[mighty glade]

That's about right
Nothing serious I can do with Pytorch without taking the classes I'm currently taking - so I never got the opportunity to make anything serious
Considering the labs I'm interested in are AI-related this would make sense

(Notice I haven't even taken stats yet, which is a bit criminal if you want to make anything serious I'd imagine)

So I take it the design is fine and there's nothing I should remove or add given the circumstances?

[fringe sphinx]

I've got no other feedback

[mighty glade]

Cheers, thank you

[gritty rivet]

I agree with BillyBobby that if you want to add substance to this resume and show convincing evidence of the skills you claim, then a relevant project or two would make a huge difference.

[strange jay]

Hey people, I'm having a hard time finding a proper place to ask for an advice, so I will try here:

Over a year ago I transitioned from mech engineering into backend web development at 28yo. Due to some bad judgement, I have accepted my first job in a small pre-seed startup. Very quickly it turned out that the founders leading this company have hardly enough technical and managerial expertise - the engineering process was non-existent, development was extremely chaotic with no planning. History of incorrect architectural choices, coupled with no control over the quality of the committed code are making introducing even the simplest changes painful and time consuming. After half a year working in this environment I grew extremely frustrated. After 9 months I started to burn out - I've decided to start searching for a new job. After over 4 months, I have just one offer on the table (with 1YOE)

The plan for my career was to keep working as a backend dev, with the hope to specialize in distributed, data-heavy systems.

Now, the offer on the table is a Data Engineer position inside of a tech-based scale-up in a interesting domain. People I met during interviews, and with whom I would be working made a really good impression on me with their professionalism and communication. Position seems to be code heavy using a modern tech stack. I would be using Kafka, Pyspark, Databricks, Airflow, AWS. The job will consist of processing raw, scraped data, modelling it, transforming and feeding into output client streams.While I never had a chance to do any 'data engineering' work, I grew to really like backend dev, employing design patterns and all the jazz necessary to build performant, scalable software.

My concerns are:

• Pigeonholing myself into data eng - which might turn out to be not as fun (but also might).
• I'm concerned writing pipelines might not push my coding skills as much as working on applications.
• On the other hand, understanding first-hand big-data processing sounds like a valuable knowledge, useful for a backend dev
• If it turns out to be a mistake, I'm afraid of not-so-relevant experience which won't help me circle back to backend dev.

Should I reject and keep on searching for a perfect match? Should I accept and give it a shot? Are there any people who were in a similar situation and could give an advice?

TLDR: Burning out at the current employment, has only 1 offer on the table after 4 months of a job search. The future company/team would be really good, but accepting it would result in shifting from backend development into data engineering. I'm afraid data engineering will not be as fun as building software, and might pigeonhole me into data eng.

[signal oar]

https://www.coursera.org/degrees/bachelor-of-science-computer-science-bits/ is this a good online degree to pursue can i get placed with this

[strange jay]

I got the opportunity as it was still a jr. role, and ive impressed the interviewers with my understanding of business and the the fact i am independent. While I agree with the take that in the end it's software engineering, there are still different areas of focus as you progress, which might cut my chances in BE dev,

[peak halo]

I don't think data engineering will feel as different from backend dev as you're worried that it will. And I think a lot of the skills you'd acquire from doing data engineering would be transferrable to backend dev, even if the tools are different.

I would probably accept the offer. Getting job offers is going to be hard with 1 YOE. I can't imagine that the experience you'd gain from the data engineering position will be less valuable than staying at your chaotic company.

[peak halo]

I would be skeptical of an online degree through coursera. is there a reason you can't apply to the university directly?

[signal oar]

its partner program with coursera

bits is a popular offline campus here in india

[strange jay]

@peak halo @turbid bobcat
I appreciate your takes. I guess deep down I know this is the only correct call, but somehow the heart riots.

[signal oar]

is chances of jobs with a online degree is less? even if i make up the skills for it

[peak halo]

when you're applying for a first job, your degree is the best evidence an interviewer has that you have skills.

[signal oar]

so a degree from a tier3 college which is offline also can get me job? i am asking the difference in online/offline.. here the bits university is pretty popular one..

[peak halo]

I don't really know how it works in India. in the US, online degrees are often regarded as less valuable.

[signal oar]

oh ok

i dont have any other choice.. i may go for the online

[sudden timber]

tbh even if your degree is online and considered less valuable, if you make up for it with a strong resume and personal skills you will be A-OK, having a degree just to get you through the HR firewall and into the interview process is the most important part imo

[pine sleet]

i think the biggest thing you miss out on is a support system and a network

[versed nacelle]

my cursor wont let me select a customtkinter entry widet

[pine sleet]

that isn't relavent to this channel

maybe try #1035199133436354600 ?

[versed nacelle]

have done but its so bizzare

[signal oar]

i hope so.. i pretty much decided to go for online..

[versed nacelle]

im gonna get my qualifications through the army as a cyber engineer hopefully

[fringe sphinx]

Talk to people in country who hire engineers. -Some- online programs are considered inferior. -Some- are fine. Get good advice, and continue to seek people with experience

(Don't assume that Google or what you read online is reliable)

[fringe sphinx]

Country?

[versed nacelle]

United Kingdom

[fringe sphinx]

I can only speak for US, but: military training/xp is useful and opens doors, but is not equivalent to a degree.

[versed nacelle]

no but experience gets you quite far if your only looking for a small development job

[fringe sphinx]

Both is preferred, and will be a great asset, and you may have opportunity to work on online or in-person/on-base education

[fringe sphinx]

There's a number of us with US military experience: I wouldn't have gotten my first SWE job without my degree.

[versed nacelle]

im 17 so i have quite alot to learn, I may aquire a degree down the line after the army but theres 4 main benefits to going to the army atm so I travel down that path

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, another fundamental truth is: recruiters lie.

Don't believe anything they say. I'm glad I served, but yah, they'll tell you anything.

[versed nacelle]

the application process is so annoying though and the benefits in questions is what I see from it

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, just try to knock out as many college credits as you can. There are military friendly programs.

[versed nacelle]

im in college atm, just waiting for them to review my medical records and im in I hope aha

[cobalt moat]

How does one get to the code testing profession instead of being an actual coder? Like the people who run code and check for errors before it goes into prod

[near ocean]

it depends, manual QA probably wont have you write code

[gritty rivet]

I googled it for you... Apparently they have certifications for that. I would poke around on LinkedIn and job sites to confirm whether those are actually in demand at all.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/career/Manual-Tester/What-Is-How-to-Become#How-Can-I-Become-a-Manual-Tester

[cobalt moat]

So no CS degree needed? Cool!

[strong sigil]

I did a second degree in computing using distance learning. I found that while I was doing it, it was a useful sales tool - individual courses had themes which meant something to clients, for example relational database theory or project management. Often I could get contracts where I could put new knowledge into action or practice a skill I was studying. Ironically when I completed my "post graduate diploma in computing for commerce and industry", nobody seemed to notice or care!

When I'm on the hiring side of the table, I'd tend to think well of candidates who were doing well on distance learning courses as it implies an ability to get things done on your own motivation. Or perhaps just my natural bias having been there myself; there's a risk that too much reliance on extra-work activities could discriminate against people with families who have less time.

[gritty rivet]

That's also something I would reality check by networking, looking at job listings, etc.

Probably a dead-end without a degree, but maybe a good way to start gaining some relevant professional experience

[fringe sphinx]

Also, there's different types of QA roles, from manual testing all the way to QA devs who develop fairly sophisticated test systems. I've worked with many different types of QA.

[pulsar shale]

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[regal axle]

Have an interview with him tomorrow. It would be very swell if this whole process could just be a one and done thing. Is that too much to ask for

[covert cairn]

could someone help me identify the problems with my cod e

[peak halo]

This does not appear to be Python. If you have a question about Python, ask in #1035199133436354600

[covert cairn]

this is python idle

[peak halo]

yes, but the text that you entered is not code in the Python programming language.

[covert cairn]

oh mb

[fringe sphinx]

Good luck, 🍀. Relax: he's just some guy.

[regal axle]

Oh yea. I’m not worried or stressed. I’m just hopeful that I don’t have to draw this out. I would love to be able to just get a job. And not have a whole multi month song and dance.

And thank you 🫰

[brittle kite]

guys

help me out please 🙏🏾

[peak halo]

Hello @brittle kite, you need to ask an actual question to get help. This is the career discussion channel, so if your question is about python, read #❓｜how-to-get-help

[quaint fulcrum]

Hi, could anyone guide me on how to network for jobs. Also if I wanna network to get a job in a different country (Australia) while not living there, how should I proceed?

[signal oar]

yes. even the reviews on reddit is kinda mixed

theres one more online one i found https://study.iitm.ac.in/ds/

but this one is datascience i dont actually know how datascience works.. does it involve much programming

[deep wharf]

ohh the online degree without any entrance test

[signal oar]

i think theres a entrance for it.. not sure

[deep wharf]

won't be hard as jee mains ig ! but seems nice if you got risk-taking capabilities a quite hard program as every month you will have to give exam

[signal oar]

i am not sure to join or not.. theres very less options for online ones.. another one is bits bs cs which suit me better than datascience

[deep wharf]

well you should connect to alumni via LinkedIn to get better feedback but ppl prefer iit madras more the which suits you better will be the best

[dusky dune]

what degrees are best to become a robotics engineer?

[pine sleet]

mechanical engineering, perhaps

[ruby mirage]

Any DRF Users ?

[terse acorn]

I want to know where can I find real world production based python projects ? Is GitHub the only choice for open source or ?

[kindred lion]

You can find projects on the internet, for example there is the main python mail listing which had mentioned Youtube being at least partially written in Python. You can find projects on places like github/gitlab/bitbucket/etc

[terse acorn]

Thank you

[gritty rivet]

Connect with people by taking a genuine interest in their career paths. People generally like to talk about themselves when asked, and if these are people doing the work you want to be doing, the info they will share can be gold.

LinkedIn is a great resource. And when you're ready to go there in person, meetup.com

[mighty glade]

pardon the late reply.

I can't really add any "substance" to the fields I'm applying for considering I'm only now learning the fundamentals of AI. I need to work with what I can

[gritty rivet]

You list a range of specific technical skills.

If you know those things even at a basic level, then you can build stuff with them.

If you refuse to do so, expect to be asked why in an interview.... If you even get that far. Someone with a similar resume but with a project listed to demonstrate those skills will almost certainly be picked first

[fleet iris]

is it hard to get a job at big companies.. as a web dev

why dont i find roles like web dev on searching jobs in google on linkedin. all i get is software engineer roles.why dont they have like specific web dev posts

[gritty rivet]

Titles shmitles, don't overthink them. Big companies might lean towards standardization of titles. It can still be a web dev job even if the title is SWE. That's pretty standard.

If I put "web development jobs" into Google I get 100 results, and at least the top ones are relevant and local. Obviously this will vary by location

[fleet iris]

and btw i am going to join 2nd year soon.. i am getting worried, even if i can crack atleast a job with medium pay.. i been coding for a year and love doing it. my problem is my college is a tier 3 one..

[fleet iris]

i hope if i continue to work hard to improve i can land a medium pay job.. the competition here is so much

[regal axle]

What part of the web? Frontend? Full stack? Infra? I assume you might be better off looking for frontend

[fleet iris]

i like doing backend i am using django.. but i maybe looking for frontend jobs first since they are easy to get into

is it true theres better chances to land frontend job than backend ones for fresher

[regal axle]

fresher?

I don't have stats. But I think it depends on the type of company you want to work for. Based on that, yes vs no

[fleet iris]

i meant a fresh graduate. yes it depends on the company ig. my college wont get me a placement i am sure they dont have much

[regal axle]

If you just want a job now, you can always make two resumes. One for backend and one for frontend. Maybe even another for fullstack. And then just use that based on the role you are applying for

[fleet iris]

yeah ok

[hearty island]

i have a stupid question for you. if you wanted to write a thank you note to an interviewer, but you asked the HR last time for their email and they declined saying you shouldn't have access to their emails, should you still write one?

i'm thinking no

[true harness]

you could just ask hr to pass it along for you

[hearty island]

true, didn't think of that

yea i have a lot of thank yous to write

[gritty rivet]

A lot depends on local market but I don't know that's a general rule. I bet you'll see jobs for someone who is junior but knows Django and related technologies really well.

[tough rune]

I'm sorry I know this isn't the right server to ask for this. but, is there anyone who's into the IT career with good knowledge about MCSA and windows server 2019? got a question about policies.

if there's anyone please dm me :))
(Sorry again if that's not related to the server and the channel)

[gritty rivet]

The Reddit group r/ITCareerQuestions has a Discord server... That might be a good place to ask your question. (Also better to actually ask in public, nobody wants to DM.)

[tough rune]

Alright! thank you so much :))

[mighty glade]

... I feel like I've said this too many times - I'm applying for a lab and most of these skills aren't relevant.

[calm garnet]

hey. If anyone here has ever managed a small team and is down to give some really brief advice - lmk.

About to be leading some people and I really do not want to fall flat on my face. I would really really appreciate it.

[gritty rivet]

Then list relevant ones instead. There is no value in listing a bunch of irrelevant stuff.

[gritty rivet]

There are a lot of good articles out there by people who have made such a transition. Here's one: https://dev.to/sasidhar_gadepalli/transitioning-from-developer-to-tech-lead-tips-and-challenges-1k8d

[calm garnet]

thanks for this!! Have you had some teams yourself?

[dusky dune]

will mechatronics be useful or mechanical degree if i am planning to be a robotics engineer?

[analog sun]

Yes

Mech can be used for anything, but if you are wanting to specialize in robotics then mechatronics will probably have more relevant courses

[dusky dune]

oh alright thank you

[kindred oyster]

electronics is also a good option

[fringe sphinx]

Do you have any specific concerns? What about it do you think k you'll fail at?

[calm garnet]

I do not think I will fail. I actually think I will do pretty great. I just want to do the best job that I possibly can and I think that talking to someone that has some experience in this will really go a long way considering it's something that I have not done before.

There are so many little things that it would be too much to mention here, but if you would be open to potentially dming a bit, that would be wonderful

[deep orchid]

What do you guys think of the job market these day and will it ever get better and also What about the " too many devs and too many people learned programming and the job market if full "

[vapid jay]

Our college will give us one month time for a internship and they are calling a full stack developer for that and does anyone think it is the good internship to do or I should do other android app or iOS app internship https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742057568230441030/1255535535473164318/IMG-20240626-WA0001.jpg?ex=667d7c16&is=667c2a96&hm=e1bab919d9f14c3f561bcfabc15e85f5648881347e1a0806ba01e373bd825677& This is what they send I am in 4th semester I should do a internship after this sem

[winged summit]

full stack first imo

its better to know front end web and back end web then fill in mobile than to only do mobile

[fringe sphinx]

I don't like to dm, and I'd also say: you'll get a diversity of opinion by asking here. I have a lot of experience in mgmt, but everyone has a different experience

[vapid jay]

I SEE THANKS

[regal axle]

I just got done with my intro interview with the CEO. How long should I wait before my "thank you for your time" email? And I mean, what do I even say? Becuase I kinda hit the notes at the end of our meeting anyway

[peak halo]

tomorrow morning?

[regal axle]

Is there a reason to not do it same day?

[mighty glade]

There is value in it, for the same reason I'm listing my non-software job. I don't see your point.

[regal axle]

But a ritual one must go through

I like how at one point he was like "we have to give you a programming test, are you fine with that?" Like what am I going to say? "No. I am not fine with that, do something else "

[white relic]

Having a complete work history is not the same as listing irrelevant skills.
For someone who "will appreciate any criticism what so ever", you seem very resistant to the suggestions you have received so far.

[ebon anchor]

early in the morning the next day, show them you enjoy starting your day early and are actively thinking early on

[pure hollow]

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone in here knew of any place offering unpaid internships for the summer in software development. Just for context, I am a high school student with the experience of building my own web app and I have already reached out to a lot of companies who have all provided rejections so far. Any assistance at all would be REALLY greatly appreciated!

[winged summit]

Any company that does unpaid internships is shit, any good company won't allow it, very few companies will allow a high schooler or first year cs student to intern

Unpaid internships of minors probably breaks several labor and child labor laws in the USA

[pure hollow]

Yeah I think thats why I am having such a hard time finding one lol. Do you know of anywhere that would offer any kind of internship for a dev, paid or unpaid im just looking for the experience

[mighty glade]

Because you're not suggesting anything feasible, and are not actually providing any criticism

You're just suggesting pseudo-solutions and not actually providing the way
The cost of putting projects in there is dropping my average and not being accepted into grad school. And that's horrible advice.

[winged summit]

Scam companies who want to use illegal unpaid child labor just go to college and worry about it in year 2 tbh

[pure hollow]

Yeah true

[true harness]

that's a bit pessimistic. there are tons of companies that hire paid interns even in their first year. I know tons of people that have found one. searching on LinkedIn and other job boards works fine, as well as your typical networking events

[pure hollow]

idk if its paid though just want the experience so I would be willing to take on a paid internship I just dont know of anywhere that would offer that

[winged summit]

Anywhere with decent devs won't do unpaid internships, so you wouldn't learn a lot

[pure hollow]

Do you know of anywhere with paid internships that I might be able to get into?

[rugged verge]

is their an age requirment

[true harness]

#career-advice message

[fringe sphinx]

Don't get frustrated with us: we'll tell you our opinions and you decide which advice to follow, given your unique situation (which we can't possible know). We're trying to be helpful.

[pure hollow]

I have been looking through linkedin and everything have tried thus far has not been a success. Do you have any advice or guidance on companies I should reach out to that you know of that provide this kind of thing?

[fringe sphinx]

But I'll say; I've seen many undergrad resumes. Your resume doesn't stand out. But you just started and that's OK. But by graduation, you should aim to round out your resume.

[true harness]

i don't know of specific companies. but I know that many companies will filter by graduation year right away. the best thing you can do is have your resume go directly to someone at a job fair or similar

[pure hollow]

Ok I will look into that and try to search for job fairs around me, however I will prob have to look for companies outside of close proximity to where I live as most of the software comapnies that are around where I am have gone out of business. I reached out to my school's career center trying to ask for help finding an internship for the summer and they provided me with a list of companies that are all out of business now

[true harness]

that's not great. as a first year, it does take some persistence. it took a substantial amount of applications for me

[pure hollow]

Yeah from everything that I have been trying lately it definitely is not easy. If you dont mind me asking, where were some places, if any, where you applied and were actually considered? If you dont want to share thats understandable as that can be personal info

[true harness]

some companies like Google have internships specifically for 1st and 2nd year, you could try searching for these specifically. for my case there wasn't anything special about the positions, I just got lucky

[mighty glade]

No, you're fine. You were helpful
The other people are just parroting your points and I have to repeat mine again which... Is puzzling.

[mighty glade]

Absolutely, once I get through my intro class, and get my electives going (and, well, take my stats course which is probably relevant to making AI-oriented projects) - I'm sure I'll have something great

But right now, I can't. I don't have the knowledge. I feel like finding a research position would help me with that a lot. This is what this resume serves

I should probably add that I can definitely get some interviews with my current establishment and grades (passing them is a different story, obviously) but I just don't really care about what the market has to offer at the moment - I'd like to try out something AI-related first

Point is if I wanted to strengthen my resume - it'd probably be through finding a job, and not a project. I'm just not sure I want to do that just yet. Does this make sense?

[fringe sphinx]

Yup. Maybe a personal statement would help up top? Something that tells the reader something about your interests, since they don't have much else to go with?

[mighty glade]

I was wondering if I should add that, but I never got the impression people actually care? For example "Interested in AI" just sounds... cliche at best

Also I was trying to go for a "concise and effective" style-resume. I felt like a statement might conflict with that

Doesn't help that I don't actually know what exactly I'm interested in. "AI" is super broad lol

[fringe sphinx]

Concise works when you have substance, but in lieu of that, a short sentence about your interests or what you're looking for. Nothing long, one or two sentences

[mighty glade]

That's a fair point
I'm not entirely sure what I'll be typing there but I'm sure Google will be able to provide plenty of examples.

Thanks

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-planet-of-the-apes-gif-4887024567657918299 my manager scheduled a 1:1 w me tomorrow

[true harness]

you don't have regular 1-1s?

[fleet reef]

Nop

[hearty island]

i do, they're usually on friday. this one might be special bc i asked about a fte offer and he said he had to drop to discuss the request to his manager during our daily stand up

either i got the offer or i didn't

[low prairie]

is ai taking cs jobs

[hearty island]

nah fam

[pine sleet]

no

[peak halo]

No

[deft herald]

We need a bot tag for this

[balmy spade]

Not sure the bot answering with "No" adds to the conversation.

[deft herald]

I suppose. All my tag suggestions are very anti conversation lol

[balmy spade]

Tags, in general, are rather anti conversational in their eventual use. It's a shame.

The fear of "AI is taking the jobs" is real. It's a valid concern. The hype and marketing around AI is targeting and enhancing that insecurity. Youtube and other media platforms grab hold, seeing traffic in hype, and just double down on it. While most questions around it are phrased poorly, I assume any asker is genuine in their question. If they aren't, it shows itself two or three replies in.

[fiery patio]

I’m being honest: I am lost. I’m in my 3rd year of Computer Systems Engineering and I truly want to get a job as a ML engineer. But, I have been bombed with a lot of internet opinions (my fault). Some people say that there are not ML engineer entry-jobs, so I should aim for a data science role first, but then, there are opinions that you should aim for a data analyst role. Should I learn first these roles or go ahead with just ML? Yes, I want to be a ML engineer but I also want to get a entry-level job, not necessarily in my dream job, but useful to get experience. Feel free to tag me:)

[buoyant seal]

hubt — 09/22/2022
i warn everyone that wants to be in AI/ML: you spend a huge amount of time on data validation, cleanup, and analysis. and generally a lot less time than you'd think on the actual AI/ML part. unless your company has very mature data management and data pipelines(very few companies do), expect to spend a lot more time on data engineering than AI/ML
add here opinion regarding ML engineer being for major part data engineering job

this is kind of useful, because tech stack for data engineering jobs are well known and advertised
Plus there is book for going into it that was often recommended

https://roadmap.sh/data-analyst
Looking over data analyst map and comparing with data engineering, they look liks sharing similar stuff
it even has machine learning pretty much

https://roadmap.sh/ai-data-scientist
data science ai roadmap is more pure ML stuff having

[carmine geode]

Just a random thought in my mind, do you guys work in teams or solo at your work?

and where do you work from? you have a office or are you working from home?

just interesting to hear for me that just started working

[past reef]

hii guysss! im a senior rn and i am about to go to college but im still choosing my major and im really interested in ai! is machine learning engineer a good career?

[young cedar]

same me too

[past reef]

Nicee

[young cedar]

im boutta go to college this fall and im thinking of choosing mathematics and computing as my major

[past reef]

Sameee!! where are u from?

[young cedar]

The Belgium wbu

[past reef]

Nice, i am from egypt

[young cedar]

you interested in math too?

[past reef]

Yeaa i am bad at it tho but im going to start taking free online courses online but i don’t know where to starttt! I do love math tho

[young cedar]

oh

did u do linear algebra

[past reef]

Yess

[young cedar]

oh lovely what about calculus? where you at in em?

[past reef]

I switched to an online school so i really didn’t attend any of the pre calculus sessions because i wanted to prepare myself for the ACT exam so thats why i wanted to take a free online course this summer

[young cedar]

i see

[vapid jay]

Job hunting is so draining. I have done so many interviews but I don't seem to be able to get past the interview stage idk what I am doing wrong.

It's always the second interview.

[carmine geode]

First job hunt?

[vapid jay]

Second, actually. First time I had no experience. But now I do.

[azure palm]

Hey @past reef
I am also preparing for Machine Learning / Deep Learning.
I am studying this: https://www.coursera.org/specializations/mathematics-for-machine-learning-and-data-science
I applied for financial aid and got 75% off. You can also audit it for free (no certificate)

[carmine geode]

Yeah, here in Sweden they expect everyone to have massive amounts of experience and the companies are very bad at hiring young people

[vapid jay]

I try to Apply for Data Engineering roles and they say your skills seem suited for Software Engineering role and would love to have you in that role. I did Software Engineering role and they push me of too Data Engineering roles.

[vapid jay]

I am from Australia and I found my first job fairly easily. I am just trying to find a new place and I can't seem to find any.

I don't even know what I am doing wrong tbh. It feels insane because I am doing the same thing expecting different results.

[carmine geode]

Yeah Sweden is in a weird spot just because the people that work at the companies are very conservative like "We have done this for 75 years, this is the way we do it" when there are a lot of improvements to stuff

[azure palm]

I think if you build a really good portfolio with complex projects that shows what you can do that can make a big difference to get that first job.

[carmine geode]

Yeah I got my software engineer work without showing any project or a portfolio

[vapid jay]

Same here. I got my first job as a Data Engineer fairly easily but finding a new place for growth is a challenge.

[azure palm]

Me too, I got my software engineer job without showing any project / portfolio, but I think it would help get more job offers if you have a really good one.

[carmine geode]

Yeah I believe so too, currently I am working with heat treatment of steel

[vapid jay]

Do you work with IOT devices for that?

[carmine geode]

Basicly the part I am doing is supposed to help my colleagues calculate the derivative of temperature so we can know when the furnace is supposed to be closed

[vapid jay]

Is it an automated furnace or does someone manually close the furnace at the specified time?

[carmine geode]

Manually

[vapid jay]

What kind of data points do you use for calculation?

[carmine geode]

So we weld on 4 thermo elements so that we can get live data on the temperature at 4 places on the product

and it logs sensor, date, time and value (temperature)

[vapid jay]

Do you use kafka for sending the data through? or just wired? I am going to assume it's wired connection to get the data.

[carmine geode]

I can't tell since I haven't worked for that long here and do not really have the experience of it

but the sensors are wired connected to a thing

[vapid jay]

Server ig

[carmine geode]

yeah

[vapid jay]

Sound pretty fascinating.

So I am assuming you would find out when the yield of the product is max on a certain furnace close time. Then close the furnace at that time?

[carmine geode]

Yeah so the standard we go after is to calculate when we believe the temperature is going to increase with 1 celsius per hour and that is when the furnace is being closed. With that we can say a time for when to close it*

I have only worked here for 3 weeks so there is extremly much to learn:D So I can't most of the stuff yet

[vapid jay]

What's it for though? What value do you gain by ensuring furance gains an increase in 1 celsius per hour.

[carmine geode]

We have a temperature that we aim for and a holdtime. ugh I hate slowmode for chat..

[vapid jay]

I have sent you a friend request so we don't have to wait lol

[carmine geode]

oh nice

[cloud silo]

how do i practise python (beginners)

[spiral urchin]

What are your dream jobs?

All of u guys

[near ocean]

I dont dream of labour

[vapid latch]

GUYS how do i get a remote job in python like real quick

i checked out the official python website jobs section

but it looks like every other company expects like 12+ years experience or something or whatever, just need some advice how to break through this stage and get started on atleast some sort of remote python job, even if its less paying

these freelance forums like upwork, freelancer or fiverr, they're way too difficult for me to land a python job there . the pros are taking all the gigs for themselves!

[strong lava]

do you have a resume? are you still in college/university? what country do you live in?

[vapid latch]

yes, i have a resume, i'm still in university, and, i can't say the country on this account but . i'm american

i just want to put my foot in the work space ( preferably remote) how do i do it? how do i find a company that'll let me work for them for free!? they can give me whatever work as long as i'm getting experience , oh well but they probably can't do that because of labor protection laws so they can't make me do stuff for free!

[strong lava]

you should have access to internships through your uni's career office

[carmine geode]

What is your sell point?*

[vapid latch]

i do , i'm doing one very soon. but . its not enough. i need something for python

[carmine geode]

Have you tried looking at some companies that you think could have some use of python code (all companies have it basicly) and you present your idea?

[vapid latch]

mann i can learn stuff if i put enouogh time to it ,.. i can work very well with wordpress. i'm still learning mern stack. i wanna become a python pro

[carmine geode]

not like that, see that is what every programmer says I feel like, sell in an idea instead

Most companies are in need of some sort of python but most don't know it since they do not know what you can do with python which means the only companies searching it has atleast some experience with python. Instead present an idea for a company that could benefit them. Your idea is your sellpoint I would say

[vapid latch]

mann even i dont know what i can do with python for a company. all i was tought at university about python was how i can use machine learning models like linear regression and stuff , like image detection etc. tensorflow. and stuff. i have no clue how i can help a company

[strong lava]

I, and a lot of people here, think what language you use specifically matters less than demonstrated skills

[broken spade]

What things i should keep in thought of before making freelancing profile

[vapid latch]

the only thing i can think of is "" I'll make your business grow! i'll make your business a beautiful looking MERN stack (or wordpress) website! where you can sell digital products as well to boost your profit!! i'll attach a payment method to it too " (but they probably already have a PRO web developer for their business who they've hired and hence they wouldnt need me !))

[carmine geode]

Do you see my point? Pretty much no companies I believe will make a work ad if they need some code, instead they just turn to a company that has full teams of proffessionals. Which means you are the one that need to show them what they need. Sorry if it is unclear but having had multiple companies (nothing with programming) I know how they think I believe.

[carmine geode]

okay say take a look at a company common. What do companies have in common? I dont have a good example at the moment but there is this common stuff that someone employed at the company has to do say once a weak that takes up time. What if you can make a code that helps that person do it very very fast?

[true harness]

there are tons of companies that do exactly that: hire engineers to build a product they already know they want

[broken spade]

?

[carmine geode]

Yeah but that is when we come to the start of this conversation I believe? "10000 years of experience"

[vapid latch]

isn't there some sort of platform where companies are looking to let newbie "software developers" to "work" for them for absolutely free, so that atleast those newbies can learn something?! those newbies could atleast get some experience and add it to their resume/linkedin/ etc and get some connections too

[carmine geode]

@vapid latch Have you looked at the smaller companies? Like any kinds of companies?

@vapid latch wouldn't you think a small carpenter company would be super happy if you'd help them by providing them with idk say a website for marketing? or a code that helps them store these documents? Carpenters hate paperwork and sending out bills because it is boring (Worked as it, ik how they feel)

And why work free when you can go in there with your ideas and tell them about them and then either ask "How much would this benefit you and what is it worth for your company?" or you say I can do it really cheap because I am currently studying and looking to get more experience to my portfolio?

[hearty island]

hey guys, i interviewed for FINRA on Monday. would it be ok to follow up this friday with a call and just ask how the decision-making process is going?

[vapid latch]

thanks

[true harness]

I usually give it a week or two ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true harness]

you're doing an internship you mean?

[carmine geode]

Think through all of the big clouds, (big clouds = huge companies) that shine and hide the small companies struggling with simple things. Of course the companies that you see would hire the proffessionals but the smaller once that really need it is hiden beaten up in a dark space. They need you

Imagine that hard working human that puts in full work to just keep the company running that need to sit those extra hours on a friday evening dealing with all the boring stuff. Imagine your that person and someone enters the room and tells them "Hey, I only want experience and I saw that you are working really hard with that thing and I can make you do it with one click" Imagine how happy he would be to be able to go home earlier on a friday and be with his family

@vapid latch ya here?

Do you think he would tell you something like "Okay have it done by two weeks!" I believe he would give you the time you need because otherwise he would need to sit there every friday. See you got a selling point, he can't put press on you like that because you got a card back on him

Or how about this one: Instead of telling him you can stand with a cardboard and try to bring customers in you tell him "Hey I noticed that your company is really hard to find on internet and I am currently studying "something" and I am looking for more experience, would you like me to create a website for your company so that your customers can find your company easily?"

@vapid latch Imagine you do that task for him and he notices a big change and feel like it really helped. Then you have work for a while for him

[white relic]

Is that how you are employed? Serious question.

[carmine geode]

No I work for a company doing heat treatment of steel, and got a bigger project for automating some calculations. Basicly I got a project bigger then my lifetime will be

[carmine geode]

Earlier I tried very different jobs, feel like 1 second I was a carpenter the next I worked at kindergarden the one after that I ran a company working with reducing peoples electricity consumption and after that I was a game developer and so on

[carmine geode]

The company I work for is a part of scana so not really a small buisness that has been beaten down

[spiral urchin]

My Dream Job
Python Data - Scientist

what do data scientists do?

[near ocean]

Why is it your dream job if you don't know what they do?

[spiral urchin]

idk

i will search tho

[analog lion]

I'm located in the US. Does anyone know of any accredited bootcamp that will come to a corporate location and teach Python/JS/React/UI & Web Development etc. to teach a team? It doesn't have to be all of those things, just giving examples. I've trying to find one, but all I can find are places where I can attend virtually, and are directed towards individuals attending. Feel free to @ me, and even DM directly, even if it is just to say "I replied to you" because sometimes I miss messages. Thanks!

[spiral urchin]

Ooh
In terms of application areas, Data scientists prefer Python for Data Analysis, Data visualizations, Machine Learning, Deep Learning, Image processing, computer vision, and natural language processing (NLP).

[sly panther]

is it at all possible to maintain a talkdesk/genesys clone's frontend alone?

contact center software for 10+ salespeople

[fringe sphinx]

That's an awful lot of different topics. I recall that Raymond Hettinger runs a Python program/education org

[compact glacier]

What's an SWE job? But I guess having a CS50 certificate does decorate the resume a little doesn't it? Even though it might not mean much.

[fringe sphinx]

Software engineering.

What education do you have? What career/job are you trying to land? What country are you in?

[compact glacier]

I'm currently about to head into University in a week or two. I guess I'm trying to get a web development job. I'm in South East Asia. But my Uni isn't really that well known, so I guess I'll really need to decorate my resume before having my first job.

[fringe sphinx]

Ah, what degree/major?

[compact glacier]

Comp Sci, I was planning to head into Business Administration but I've heard from my relatives that it isn't that great or useful in the country that I'm in.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh. Then learning a language like Python is a good use of time. But the way you'll show it on your resume is through projects, not by saying 'I took a Python course'

[compact glacier]

Oh, I see. I don't suppose these projects are just the good old basics of Rock paper scissors or hangman that everyone that codes has done when they were a beginner, right? lol

[fringe sphinx]

Those are beginner projects. You'll do more complex projects over time.

In other words: your goal is to get good. Build your skills. And you'll only gain (and demonstrate) those skills through increasingly challenging projects.

[compact glacier]

I see...

[fringe sphinx]

(And/Or internships, volunteer work, team projects, etc)

[compact glacier]

Oh, another question. Do they really care about where I've studied from? Because my University is only known (not well known) from where I live at. Do employers care about where I graduated from? Or do they care more about the skills I have and the projects I've done?

[fringe sphinx]

What difference does my answer make?

[compact glacier]

Not much, my situation doesn't really allow me to change Unis lol, but the difference it'll make is i'll probably do a lot more projects if so.

[fringe sphinx]

My point is: at this point, your school is already decided. The only variable is how much you learn, how well you network, and how 'good' you get

I can't speak for every job market (I am in US): but, school is one factor among many. Sure, going to a top school is a boost. But not going to a top school isn't the end.

[vapid jay]

my experience in the past couple years has been a huge shift into pre-hiring assessments as a gatekeeping process for obtaining interviews

[fringe sphinx]

For sure. The rise of the leetcode filter.l (and others ofc)

[vapid jay]

that was exactly what i had in mind 😄

leetcode can be fun practice, though, and good for hacky web devs like me to dip our toes into academic thinking

[fringe sphinx]

This is kinda my point: learning the basics is the starting point. Actually being able to apply them is the important thing. For years, half of the college grads I'd interview couldn't pass a fizz buzz

[vapid jay]

and the job market right now is saturated with entry level positions asking for years of experience with a tech stack that would require more years to understand

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know about saturated: but the target candidate for most positions is a 4 year degree holder with a few diverse projects (knowledge)

[vapid jay]

@compact glacier if you want to get into a webdev position, i recommend developing familiarity with 'basic' sql, like composing aggregate/join queries & understanding the value of indexes, using javascript to manipulate the dom, and learning how to work with a back end framework like django or flask

[vapid jay]

yeah, i guess i don't think from that background. interestingly, in the us, professional engineers require 4 year apprenticeships to compensate for this

[compact glacier]

Thanks for the tip. I sure will after I hone my basics at Python.
But what do uni's really teach with computer science?

do they go in depth in every field? web dev, app dev and the sort?

[fringe sphinx]

My counter proposal would be picking a programming language like Python and getting good there first (for first year of Uni), then decide on a plan for years 2-4

Breadth over depth

[vapid jay]

my son's sophomore cs involved creating a web framework in php

as well as basics of cryptography and infosec

[compact glacier]

Oh yeah, I'm kinda wondering what language they'll teach as well. I don't think they'll teach Python, probably C++

[fringe sphinx]

Every uni is different. First thing you should do is reach out to your department and ask them what your intro programming language course is in. Might be Java or c++ or Python

[vapid jay]

python is pretty widely adapted in the usa at this point

[fringe sphinx]

Most departments would be happy to answer

[compact glacier]

I see, I think I'll be heading to the uni tomorrow. Hopefully they don't answer with scratch lol

[fringe sphinx]

Hah. Hopefully

[vapid jay]

i would love to see your scratch rest api

[compact glacier]

Coming from a beginner python learner, how hard would c++ be?

I'd say I'm familiar with the basic concepts of coding by now. the classic while for loop and the sort

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I wish I could interview candidates who actually knew sql. They all say they know it from one course, and then know nothing.

[analog lion]

Yeah, it didn't need to be on each one specifically, I was just throwing out examples of what I was looking for. Thanks

[gritty rivet]

Not sure how to answer that, but this looks like it might help: https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/cpp4python/index.html

[compact glacier]

I see, I guess it's not necessary for me to watch a beginner's guide to C++ that's targetted towards beginners of coding?

[vapid jay]

Select * from employees
I will take $200K as my starting salary

[regal axle]

It depends what you are looking for. I mean for 1, most videos are not great ...
But ignoring that; yea, you can start from 0 with c++. There are a lot of great guides. But one that doesn't just talk down to you is also nice. You can always try a more general resource. And if it is too much, you can go for one that is more targeted at beginners

[regal axle]

"I use an ORM. So basically, I am a master when it comes to SQL"

[true harness]

👀

[compact glacier]

What makes videos not a good form of learning? Up until now, I've only used tutorials to learn python, except for this server too.

[fringe sphinx]

They said most videos are not great, not all videos.

[compact glacier]

I can't seem to read documentations yet, most of them leave me with more questions than answers lol.
Except for the really simple ones

[fringe sphinx]

As long as you're learning something, you're fine. It's not a straight line, there's a lot of zig zags

[gritty rivet]

Video tutorials vs written tutorials is a matter of preference if you're actually following them and doing the thing.

After a tutorial, then you should have some context to get more benefit out of reading the documentation.

Tutorials, topical guides, documentation and references are four different things. Videos are fine for tutorials and so-so for topical guides. They're mostly useless for reference and documentation.

Personally I do hate video tutorials though, to much pausing and rewinding, can't copy-paste anything etc.

[vapid jay]

Entering my second year of community college right now, going to university once I get my associates.. I’m really gunning for an internship next summer and I’m kind of lost. I have a lot of projects but they’re mostly in the realm of web scraping / automation and I’m
Not sure there are lots of jobs for that type of stuff. Not really what I see myself specializing in either. I just don’t really know where to go from here, what to learn this year. Any recommendations?

[peak halo]

does your community college have a career services center? I don't know how often companies recruit interns from community colleges. I figure it would be less often than at universities.

[gritty rivet]

Along the lines of what Pope said, I would also check LinkedIn for people who are in or have been in your associates program and are doing or have done anything interesting. In other words, it's all about networking.

[fringe sphinx]

In terms of skills: focus on breadth over depth. That will be more helpful in your job search, as you can't predict what skills an employer will find interesting. You've done automation and scraping projects, great. Now do something else (a web project, or a data analysis project, maybe learn something about cloud or ci/cd or Linux or networking)

[buoyant seal]

I would recommend learning skills making development pleasant

https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
Read this book for learning with overview about code software engineering skills
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
Dive deep to learn unit testing
It is life changer to made dev work sane and far easier

Try to learn more than dynamic typed languages. Try learning Java and Golang, u may find that it can be more nice to work with.
As they have extra means to provide nicer development experience (they may work or may not with you. Check if your tastes are compatible)

[pastel thunder]

are HR in US, really ok when you say "I dont want to share my prev compensation"?
The same company's hr here in India, are cheap as hell. They show 0 professionalism and sound like i am bargaining from a vegetable seller. And they straight up ask for proofs.

[deft herald]

I think yes? At least I haven't had anyone verbally oppose it when I said something similar, but who knows what they really think

[near ocean]

In the UK at least they'll eventually find out your past earnings anyway
Letting them know before an offer/contract signed is usually a mistake

[gritty rivet]

Seriously? How? That's wild

[near ocean]

You gotta give them a form (p60?, maybe p45) that lists your earnings in the past year, they can extrapolate from there

[gritty rivet]

In the US I've never in my life been asked, unless you count some application forms. I've never disclosed.

[pastel thunder]

i think i did few mistakes, told my expectation, told myy prev ctc, and so much more

[gritty rivet]

Interesting... That's a form related to tax withholding? So you don't have to fill it out until your salary has been agreed on?

[pastel thunder]

i am learning now, that i could have avoided that

[near ocean]

You get it from your previous employer after you're done with them, you dont really fill anything in yourself
afaik your new employer needs it to figure out how much tax they need to pay for you

(and yes, it all happens after you sign a contract)

[pastel thunder]

and the funny part is, they havent really given a number from their side.

I played pretty stupidly

[near ocean]

It happens, just keep it in mind for next time

But also, just because we do it in the UK or US doesnt mean you can do it in india

[gritty rivet]

It sounds like you don't have the same legal protections or cultural expectations in India but personally I'm not going to waste time on any more than a phone screening if you can't tell me a budgeted range for the position, and I'm not going to talk any specific numbers until the very end

[pastel thunder]

man I love this western attitude, this is the reason the culture is so much better

in india, the HR probably wont call back, if i said like that

lmao:

[gritty rivet]

A lot of US companies would be the same if it wasn't for the law.

[near ocean]

Yea well thats why we have laws innit?

[near ocean]

I just linked you the rule this is breaking in the off topics

[brittle peak]

Hi,
Is it me or it is difficult to get a internship in montreal right now?
I am struggling so much to find one

[hearty island]

it's difficult to find an internship anywhere really. gotta look in the right places and have a nice resume

[brittle peak]

Like, I think I have a good github profile.
I contribute to some project and I do mine
I honestly don't know what I can do more to get higher chance to find a internship

[hearty island]

can you post an anonymized resume? just curious

[brittle peak]

I don't feel to publish it here, but I sent it to you in pm

[gritty rivet]

You should talk to people doing relevant work in Montreal. LinkedIn and Meetup.com are both good resources for that kind of networking

[wind python]

"I use json so I am basically a master at sqlite3"

[brittle peak]

I never tried Meetup, but 99% of the time, I got no response of people I pm on LinkedIn

Ok, no, not 99%, but it's really rare that I get a response

[coarse plover]

@noble radish

who are u

[errant thicket]

hey i’m not in computer science anymore because im busy working is it still possible to get a job with python even without a degree in computer science ?

[peak halo]

it would be exceptionally challenging.

[errant thicket]

hey this is my situation so it is still possible to get a job without a degree how so?

[errant thicket]

how so? also there is no way at the moment to get into college for computer science should i try community college for computer science?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm feeling lazy so will just link to an earlier comment on this topic: #career-advice message

[peak halo]

doing an associates in computer science would make sense as a stepping stone towards getting a bachelors in CS.

[fringe sphinx]

Your question lacks a lot of precision, like: what do you know? Where are you? What kind of job are you looking for? Etc

[errant thicket]

wow really thanks billy also i finished one year of computer science do you think i should do community college ?

[fringe sphinx]

Why wouldn't you?

[errant thicket]

ok that is so true i thought i wouldn’t have time for it because im busy working now and also i couldn’t finish at my university because i didn’t have enough money

should i take a loan for community college?

[errant thicket]

i’m a basic in python a few projects but i scroll and read in here everyday and i still learn

[fringe sphinx]

I can't speak to your life situation. A degree is highly recommended if you want to land a SWE job. There are other paths, but they take longer and you may be at a career disadvantage.

[errant thicket]

so i already finished one year of college of computer science what do you think i should do honestly opinion i have a lot of time on my hands but i also work a lot

[fringe sphinx]

My only real advice is, same as Stel, keep working towards a degree. Don't stop your progress.

[errant thicket]

ok thanks i’ll finish it off in community college

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe it'll take you an extra year doing it while working, but that's ok

Do you know the percentage of students who finish in 4 years?

[errant thicket]

no

[fringe sphinx]

Google it and tell me what you find

(You'll be shocked)

[errant thicket]

i see 36k is that right ?

[fringe sphinx]

% you mean, right?

"While 90 percent of entering students in a nationwide UCLA survey say they’ll graduate within four years — the most basic promise made by a university or college to consumers — only 45 percent of them will.

And fewer than two-thirds of students manage to finish within six years, the Education Department reported. "

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-students-dont-graduate-4-years-government-counts-6-years-succe-rcna2776

[errant thicket]

wow why is that ?

also billy should i learn ai because it’s so fast growing or stick to learning python?

because tbh too billy i wanna make money now in coding and i thought ai could make that happen

[fringe sphinx]

I don't really know all the reasons, but my point is: get the degree. It's ok if it takes you 6 years and you're working.

[radiant sable]

Guyz anyone can please teach me py

[fringe sphinx]

First job is to become a good programmer with a wide foundation.

Specialization is for much much later

[fringe sphinx]

Ask over in #python-discussion

[errant thicket]

ok thanks billy i’ll keep learning

[fringe sphinx]

My usual advice here (without a degree) is to land a job in tech and get relevant / adjacent experience. QA and tech support are good places to start.

[errant thicket]

wow your so right i will get degree and should i be overwhelmed my loans or just do it?

[fringe sphinx]

That's (the financial part) beyond my ability to recommend.

[errant thicket]

why do you say that if getting a computer science is a good thing to have ? so say this what if i do get a job with my computer science degree and have loans then it will be worth it right?

[peak halo]

You'll be able to pay off the loans

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know your personal situation. It'd be irresponsible for me to say what you -must- do. I'm just saying: find a way to get the degree.

[errant thicket]

ok i’ll keep pushing for the degree i love this python group so much love

[fringe sphinx]

To be clear, all I was saying is: don't go broke, homeless or foodless/etc.

[errant thicket]

that shouldn’t happen i’ll just start off in community college for now to finish the rest

[strange nova]

In light of that information about so many people taking six years to finish, that makes community college seem pretty attractive 🙂

[errant thicket]

yea ik right i never knew that!

[drowsy cloud]

hey guys i am from india and i am kindaa new in python , i know basics of python and want to progress into data science field it would be a pleasure if anyone can guide me properly

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[drowsy cloud]

can any body guide me i just passed my 12th exams and now i want to go in data science field how can i progress in that faster

[drowsy cloud]

can you help me

[vapid jay]

hi

i have a question about my career

[pine sleet]

ask

[vocal breach]

look for data science roadmap in roadmap.sh website. There are many free resources on the Internet.

[drowsy cloud]

thanks for guidance

can anyone help on how to build linkedin profile perfectly

[remote ginkgo]

Can anyone recommend me a youtube channel to learn python for free?

[strange nova]

This is the wrong channel to get help, but since we're here, you can try CS50P course. Be sure to head over to #python-discussion and interact with the community, also don't forget to practice your skills https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhQjrBD2T3817j24-GogXmWqO5Q5vYy0V

[fringe sphinx]

There's also Corey Schaffer and Brocode.

[winged summit]

I second get the degree, I'm working as a dev rn and finishing my bachelors slowly

[winged summit]

If you want to get a job without a degree my advice is apply to jobs as you pursue school full time and if you get one, you can slow down your college while working full time

Honestly the alternative is likely that you will fail to be self motivated, do nothing, and waste a lot of time then go back to school or give up on tech

You have to be a really special person to self teach tech and if you were you probably wouldn't be asking no offense. If you already had a bachelors it might be worth self teaching especially two years ago.

[gritty rivet]

Without a CS degree or without any degree at all? There are lots of us with other kinds of degrees. No degree at all is considerably more rare. This probably varies widely by country, type of role, etc.

[azure tendon]

hey guys, I'm planning out my degree and job, I'm 15 currently starting A levels i'm doing CS computer science and want to get a job asap, what would you all recomend for me to start learning from to get a job and start working part time i have futher plans for uni and stuff and will get a degree but i want to start learning and achieve a side hustle or income source

[kindred oyster]

its hard to earn money in tech ( esp someone as young as you ) without a job when you dont have much skills

[gritty rivet]

Unfortunately this is near-impossible. You can look at platforms like Upwork and Fiverr to see exactly what people are looking for, but when you have no established client base writing good reviews for you, then the competition is effectively insurmountable, even at $3/hour.

When it comes to earning income, a normal student job is the realistic option. If you really want to do something vaguely related to tech, maybe your school has part-time help desk positions or something. For general IT support jobs, the CompTIA A+ certification is generally respected. But that experience is only very barely relevant to programming

[azure tendon]

Yeah i dont exactly need to earn right now, i just want to have good skills till i reach university

[kindred oyster]

ah ok
well then , just start learning something that you find interesting
as long as you are having fun doing / learning "something" it doesnt really matter what exactly it is

[azure tendon]

i get it, it's hard to earn with no proper skill, thats the point i need reccomendations from where to start and get good skill

[azure tendon]

but it has to be related to my career, software engineering and relevant enough

[kindred oyster]

yeah , thats a very wide spectrum of stuff to do , you will find something for you

[azure tendon]

exactly i'm just kind of unsure where to start from

[kindred oyster]

when you go the route of something that "is good but is not interesting" , you stop doing it after sometime
but if you do something that is "good enough but interesting to you" , that will produce better results for you down the road

[azure tendon]

I'm starting responsive web designing for now

[kindred oyster]

well ,then just start with learning python

[gritty rivet]

That's what the degree is for. In the meantime like Saul said, explore whatever is most interesting to you... That will keep you engaged and that will make you good.

[azure tendon]

Yeah i find coding kind of interesting so im not really gonna quit

[kindred oyster]

thats fine , keep doing it if you find it interesting

[gritty rivet]

Awesome, run with that as far as it keeps you learning and advancing!

[azure tendon]

Yeah and i have javascript after that

[kindred oyster]

js is the next logical step after HTML CSS👍

[azure tendon]

Oh Alright i can explore that

[shrewd parrot]

you were amazing in Better call saul bro

[gray hatch]

я умный

[deft herald]

!rule english

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[gray hatch]

@inner wrenuntil 12 июля 2024 г., 21:37 (14 days).

[odd dew]

Which option is better to pursue in college, BSIT or BSCS?

[gritty rivet]

The one that fits your career goals.

You need to look beyond the name and consider the specific program individually, but generally if programming is what you want to do, then CS is better.

[compact spoke]

I am a bit weak in python and oops. Should i go to data science, machine learning and gen ai or finish dsa in python and do sde first? I want to go for data science and i have already good command on numpy pandas matplotlib.

[vapid jay]

Can I study Computer Science and Physics together?

[true harness]

sure

[vapid jay]

is this the good channel for resume review?

[true harness]

indeed

[drowsy ridge]

Any site for making resume? Also give some tips pls

[drowsy ridge]

Is this ATS friendly?

[vapid jay]

Yep

[normal lotus]

Is hackerrank any good for interview prep?

[deft herald]

eh

depends on the interview/position/experience level/company etc etc

[normal lotus]

Like for entry level software job?

[drowsy ridge]

Which site u used

[deft herald]

I mean sure, all practice is good. It's possible to just dump a lot of time into some esoteric algorithm though that has a low likelyhood of being asked about during the interview. So you just need to be mindful of that

[normal lotus]

Ah very true, thank you.

[fringe sphinx]

Hackerrnak and Leetcode are popular: also depends on your current skill level. Can you complete easy level problems easily?

If you struggle with easies, you might not be ready yet to focus on DSA interview prep

[normal lotus]

Eh probably, bharadwaj raju recommended me neetcode which seems like a more structured approach to leetcode.

I studied DSA in university and use alot of algorithms and node based datastructures in my personal code so i think i could do the harder questions.

But thank you for the advice

[pastel thunder]

I think now I understand why these HR offer pennies.

So, if HR offers your desired compensation, you will stay for long,
so you wont need a new job soon,
hence, HR wont be needed for a longer time.

So they are creating demand (of hr managers) by limiting supply (of your dreams-salary).

[hard cedar]

Hi , I'm just gonna start data science in college , any tips so I could do well in it ?

[deft herald]

go to class, take notes, do the homework

And by that i mean don't use AI to do your homework

[hard cedar]

Which other languages I could learn other than the main python and SQL needed for data science

[peak halo]

don't just learn a bunch of programming languages. focus on your understanding of concepts like statistics.

[hard cedar]

alright thanks , if there are any other tips please share.

[vapid jay]

Thank u bro. Yeah I've been meaning to learn unit testing, seems pretty integral lol. Definitely hopping on this

[vapid jay]

We do yeah, I don't expect it to be easy either tho. That's kind of my whole thing with why I'm trying to get so many projects under my belt, I've been on this stuff since junior year of high school and most of my peers still don't really have any projects to show for their work so I feel like maybe I'm ahead at least in terms of community college students.. Idk. I've been looking into some events to participate in that might look good on my resume as well, but I feel like if I just have some impressive projects I'll surely be able to get SOMETHING right. It's definitely seeming like almost an impossible task at the moment, don't wanna be stuck looking for my first one after junior year

Currently I'm on upwork too trying to get some freelance stuff under my belt so that should be kind of huge come next summer, at the moment it's still just all web scraping stuff tho lol

[turbid monolith]

set1- python, java, c#
set2-Mongo DB,RDBMS using Oracle, RDBMS using MySql
set3-Azure,Aws,GCP
one from each set which one would you suggest as per the present market and why ?could you also add few tips on how to plan future accordingly

[near ocean]

Tech depends on your local market

[buoyant seal]

set1.

• Not C# because it is Windows oriented, and it has awful dev experience. Present and future belongs to Linux (in Backend development), and C# is very behind in those terms (And i am not persuaded by its recent effort to support Linux and having some poor level of ability to work with it. C# devs say they can work from Linux with it through Rider and Visual Studio based on former Xamarin. both .Net framework and core mgirated to linux, but i am not convinced)
• If u have time, it would benefit you a lot becoming Java dev, for becoming a real in quality dev capable to tackle a lot of stuff efficiently, eventually. You will achieve it very highly likely as long as you learned Unit testing throughly
  • https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
  • https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
• Python is possible fallback here to go if dynamic typing is more your thing, and you aren't brave to go static typing language

Set 2. Not mongo db, because they are very bad default bringing worst quality. Not Oracle too (All devs i know compained about them as worst thing ever). MySQL is good enough. Mariadb or Postgresql are more preferable though)

Set 3. Not Azure, because Windows/Microsoft stuff, most compatible with C# stack. AWS is preferable because more market is captured by it. GCP to go is okay too.

[near ocean]

Come on darkwind, you know better
This all depends on where they're applying to
The advice you gave would be terrible for london for example where every other software shop uses dotnet

[buoyant seal]

Screw that. Java and Python are both capturing such high amount of market that it will not matter where they are 😅
They will find jobs with those both languages everywhere

C# is the only one more niche language with country specifics

[buoyant seal]

We can make the opposite opinion here. If for some reason you are fan of Windows/Microsoft, then go C#, .Net, Windows, Azure 😅 Just don't pick Mongo please in any choice as main database until u learned throughly relational dbs.

[near ocean]

Simply not true

[buoyant seal]

Pic with no source link or searching params. Very useful

[near ocean]

Its the SO dev survey for 2023 filtered for professionals
You know where its from...

[buoyant seal]

searching params are still not shown. Anyway... it is not important data anyway. Because as i said Modern Present and Future of backend belongs to Linux.
If some people use... Windows development with .Net... it is not a point to choose it. No point making suffering part of your job
TLDR: Welcome to super opinionated opinions from darkwind 😁

[near ocean]

Maybe you should lead with "super opinionated", its not really good form to give advice like that

[fringe sphinx]

I always wrestle with whether to qualify my opinion with imo/ime, or whether that's implied by the fact that I'm saying it. Hard line to draw when it's required or implied

[near ocean]

Its easier and more correct to just say "go to linkedin and look at what your local companies want"
No need to qualify anything

[buoyant seal]

The untold history of web development:

1990: HTML invented
1994: CSS invented to fix HTML
1995: JS invented to fix HTML/CSS
2006: jQuery invented to fix JS
2010: AngularJS invented to fix jQuery
2013: React invented to fix AngularJS
2014: Vue invented to fix React & Angular
2016: Angular 2 invented to fix AngularJS & React
2019: Svelte 3 invented to fix React, Angular, Vue
2019: React hooks invented to fix React
2020: Vue 3 invented to fix React hooks
2020: Solid invented to fix React, Angular, Svelte, Vue
2020: HTMX 1.0 invented to fix React, Angular, Svelte, Vue, Solid
2021: React suspense invented to fix React, again
2023: Svelte Runes invented to fix Svelte
2024: jQuery still used on 75% of websites
according to this joke JQuery is still used on 75% of web sites. Question araises... is it good choice to follow the most used things. Like wordpress or smth.

Anyway... he presented stack for backend/cloud development, so my opinionated opinion was exactly within the necessary domain.
As i mentioned, LInux rules in this domain. At least if wishing to go for modern pleasant development. The rest of tech stack was adviced accordingly, as just anything but Windows.

[digital fjord]

can also confirm backend dev is dominated by C# locally (czechia)

[near ocean]

Its not that deep darkwind
People are starting new projects in modern dotnet all the time
We know you love java but thats not necessarily the OPs reality
(dotnet core is crossplatform)

[buoyant seal]

Correction: I adviced anything except Windows tech stack. I love actually Golang 😁 Java is way more job popular though, so easier bet.

[digital fjord]

now, I am generally not of the opinion that the best way to get a job is to learn the most popular thing, but if you wanted a webdev java job here, you're basically left with two companies and the government.

[buoyant seal]

Rather low population. 10m people... that can affect a lot available teck stacks yeah to some unique country specific combinations... large amount of Java jobs is ensured probably only for bigger countries

[digital fjord]

yup, it depends on the local job market

[buoyant seal]

adding here... do check if making such choice is possible for your local market. Possibly you will have no options to choose Java or Python, and it can be C# only preferable in terms of job amount. Do check your local web sites regarding which choices u are able to make

[digital fjord]

and well, lets not pretend Java jobs running on anything vaguely modern are common. The bulk of Java runs on a variety of dated versions with no new features past 8.

I would honestly take a Windows stack over a Java 8 stack atp.

[near ocean]

I've only heard good things about dev experience dotnet, vs, c# overall

No idea where this microsoft stack bad dev experience take is coming from

[buoyant seal]

common looking to me because first level support in Monitoring, Infrastructure as a code and other cloud/server tooling tech stack. One of languages out of very short list (smth like 5-6, that are actually supported)
also highly popular at least in my origin country with 140m population. Comparably popular to other common languages at least.

[digital fjord]

cloud tooling doesn't like your regular ol' backend dev to me

[buoyant seal]

Backend job is literally dealing with server side applications. Cloud is just remote rented servers with optional extra abstractions for easier management.
exacly regular backend job to me

[digital fjord]

when I hear Java backend dev, I imagine working with frameworks like Spring, Micronaut, Quarkus, not IaC stuff.

[buoyant seal]

nevertheless Java goes through server side infra and tooling. Elasticsearch, Cassandra, different data engineering park of server side technologies.
First level support in AWS for AWS lambdas, usage of AWS SDK, using even in IAC as Terraform CDK and Pulumi CDK.
That alone with integrations in common monitoring stacks supported, makes java possible to use across everywhere in terms of backend. For all custom solutions running in it to create the infrastructure
one of languages out of very short list that can do it.

[gritty lantern]

Anyone knows about ai scraping, flutter and jungle

[fringe sphinx]

You prob want #python-discussion , but lead with an actual question (don't ask to ask plz)

[gritty lantern]

Got it!

[true harness]

we switched from Cassandra to Scylla and saved a million dollars a year. reduced our cluster size by hundreds of nodes. just because you can use Java doesn't make it a good idea :P

[buoyant seal]

What can i say. DBs are better be written with languages having manual memory management. I don't say java is good idea here exactly.
But i find Java as attractive idea as reasonably low effort and high receiving quality for backend applications. Garbage collected languages make more reasonable effort to write apps ^_^
Nobody uses by default C++ for web stuff, as it was used to build ScyllaDB. (Same can be said about Rust). C++/Rust is not a good average choice to go for backend, but GC languages are.
I find most attractive to me level of languages Golang, Java (heck even C# if it was more Linux friendly) for web development, for the reason of having certain design advantages to write code at scale. And having no over complexity from manual memory control.

[true harness]

isn't that the same argument mar was trying to make? it's usable, but not always a good idea. it depends on your location as well as your use case. while you might find jobs with java in any area, that doesn't make it will be the most popular in a specific one

[polar veldt]

@regal axle thats why I started playing around with booting up API on a server I made and see what the problem is fix it and tinker but idk feels like it's not enough to get experience with databases and back end software

Like most jobs I look at want 8+ years experience ☠️

[regal axle]

(for context for everyone else #1256261924643930234) Why not? That is always needed and desired. It is a fundamental type of thing. Companies do desire this type of work. There is a ton of demand for it.

What country do you live in? Idk where you are looking. Or what types of jobs you are looking at. But that is a senior position. There are tons of "any experience" jobs out there. Most are really "new grad" positions. But genuine "any experience" does exist.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't look at senior jobs?

[polar veldt]

What in doing now lmao 😅

I feel dumb lmao

[mossy forge]

hi im new to python and never did a job but if i want to make my first 2 $ how hard it is whar level should i have??

[peak halo]

how much money do you expect to be making per hour? are you okay with it being way less than minimum?

[mossy forge]

im okay with anything my only requirements is to be a temporary thing and to have time to solve problems with less stress

im now not thinking about a full time job but some job that i can train in it

[gritty rivet]

You can look at Upwork and Fiverr to see what you're up against.

If you're a student you should probably get a normal student job instead until you're ready to apply for internships

[mossy forge]

fiverr needs to verify my phone number

I'll try upwork+ Applying for internship now in my country is harder than starting a business

[regal axle]

starting a successful and profitable business is harder. But then again, idk what country; nor what is going on in said country

[fluid python]

in my area python is actually less in making traditional apps but more running queries, data sciene

data science

so degree like statistic, math, maybe finance but a lot of math stat and compsci is also accept, not just compsci

i hear fiverr is good what u can talk during interview

[wind cedar]

Anyone have any good certificates I can do for free that will help me with swe?

[pine sleet]

don't think there are any such certificates that meet your criteria

[mighty stratus]

I chose commerce with IP courses (python included) and I dont know what degree to pursue nor which college nor country to go and study.

My dad wants answers to all these questions and so do I, but am stuck even with abundant information, Since I don't know where to look and what to search even after hours of research.

[cerulean basin]

is there any change to get hired directly as a fresher for the role of MLOps Engineer ?

[analog cipher]

Hi. I know the basics of python but I want to take some real life projects and hopefully make some money while doing it, where can I do that? I want to focus my skills on ML. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[white relic]

I chose commerce with IP courses
This means nothing to me. Where in the world are you located and do you want to to into software engineering or some other field?

[mighty stratus]

I am in India, and no I dont want to do any software or engineering.
I am interested in money and business

[plush summit]

Would start with helping with some open source projects on gitlab

[white relic]

This is a Python server. Some people may have thoughts for you on business careers, but most of the career advice here is going to be CS and SWE oriented.

[last oriole]

Anyone know webscrapying with scrapy and selenium that can help me?

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion , but ask an actual question... don't need to ask to ask.

[last oriole]

there is no one who knows it

[fringe sphinx]

This is the careers channel. And lots of us know selenium. Ask in the Python channel, or open a help thread: #❓｜how-to-get-help

[last oriole]

i did both can you help?

[fringe sphinx]

But fyi: if your project violates a site's terms of use, people won't help because of our Rule 5 (#rules)

[vapid jay]

Hey guys., do you know how I can learn Python? I have taken a CS20 class in high school and I want to continue my studies, I know for loops, while loops, strings., int, functions, var, but I really want to be able to do Python in the future.

[rocky gust]

check dm

[fringe sphinx]

!res is a good place to start, then ask questions in #python-discussion

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

There's a lot of choices, so better to take a look and ask questions

[meager gulch]

I have tried to learn python untill i am tired 🥲 i have given up 3 times and here i am again i feel like i would never grasp the whole concept aside if statements, while loops and for loops and strings and integers please any suggestions for me ? 🙏

[regal axle]

You don't need to rush. You don't have to study 8 hours a day. That is a sure fire way to burn yourself out.
You really only need to put like 30 minutes a day in. It is a marathon and not a sprint.

[meager gulch]

Thank you 🙏

[regal axle]

And even with "30 minutes a day", that isn't a hard rule. You can do less. But the most important part is just be consistant. More so than for how long you do it a day / week.

[meager gulch]

I just wanna know if anyone faced this and finally got to understand it, because i feel like even if i study for 2 years i won’t understand

[meager gulch]

Okay i will do that, thanks

[regal axle]

It takes more or less time for each individual. But if this is something you really want to learn, it will eventually make sense.

The most important aspect, is to create realistic expectations and goals.

[silver jacinth]

invest in spx with leveraged gains of 8x. Then use your positions as collateral and you'll be able to take out a loan of at least 5x your current self networth

[fringe sphinx]

(When many analysts are forecasting a major sell off this year)

[silver jacinth]

not financial advice

but yeah all markets are reaching peak saturation

[fringe sphinx]

Nice thing nowadays is starting a business requires far less capital

[silver jacinth]

the bad thing is high interest rates

[burnt zephyr]

morning people, i have my resume like this so far, can u give some feedback on this section, is it clear? i have the skills on the right side to change them depending on job posts...what else?

[gritty rivet]

I would cut "TASKS:" and the star emojis. I would use Education for more formal education and have a separate, more compact section for certifications if you feel these add value.

[buoyant ocean]

Hey lads, I know it's pretty tough out here for everyone looking for work in the industry but I gotta ask- working in AU and NZ is it really as tough as I've been reading.

Nearing the half way point for my bachelor's degree so I got a little time but I can't help but to think of my future prospects ya know?

Literally thinking of applying for jobs in Aus for a potential move there fresh out of my degree. That seems the best chance of getting my foot in the door

[strange nova]

Hey, are you working on your resume and projects currently? Could you finish those up and start applying before you graduate?

[buoyant ocean]

That's defo a good idea. I have a couple projects. Basic ones and what I've done for assignments if they count. No resume yet.

[whole flare]

You should probably create a resume, and then post an anonymized version here so people can help you out with guidance and advice.

[mighty scroll]

Can someone give me some advice for choosing a laptop

[true harness]

the best thing you can do to prepare for a job is to get internships

[fringe sphinx]

A few things to think about: 1. don't just view projects as a resume builder - use them as a way to challenge yourself and develop skills. 2. You'll want to show engineering skills beyond just coding: topics like - ci/cd, unit tests, building and distributing to pypi, cloud hosting, etc. 3. Long running projects (year long or longer) are something I find more interesting than a 1-2 month project (coding task). 4. Getting involved in OSS (even as simple as submitting issues) will also teach you valuable skills

And i agree with psv, internships or -any- tech related job are very helpful

[warped root]

hey guys, i want to learn python, but like with online courses with teachers, is there any place you know?

[gritty rivet]

I did Nucamp which is relatively cheap for something with live instructor time, but that live instructor time is very limited.

You may want to hire a tutor one-on-one and there are many platforms for that

Also, you could do an online degree program, there are lots of those. WGU is a cheap one

I think some Coursera courses have some teacher involvement in terms of feedback on assignments but I'm not sure

[warped root]

nucamp which one is for python is it this?

or which programming language do u recommend me to start with first as a full beginner

[gritty rivet]

That's the one I did, yes. I think it's their only one that deals with Python.

You could do it as a complete beginner but I'm not sure I'd recommend that

[gritty rivet]

What do you want to build? Python is a very good option but HTML + JavaScript might be better if you're interested in web development

If you're really not sure, do the free CS50 courses from Harvard. They have a general one and they also have a Python one

[warped root]

i want to learn the simplist language there is, so then i can learn the basic of coding how do people like put sentences n stuff, then after ill learn other languages such as lua so i can make my own roblox games n stuff then html and c++ and etc etc

[pine arrow]

Hi guys I created a resume template. DM if you want the link to the google doc

[fringe sphinx]

The padding between experience elements seems inconsistent with padding elsewhere

[strange nova]

I guess that top line with links and stuff is kinda cool minimization of vertical space. Though I think I'd like to put software engineer in there somewhere towards the top.
(That is if I felt like an engineer)

Oh maybe thats what you've got the dashes there for- nvm.

[silver jacinth]

Tuition for an online coding course? Isn't that just a subscription since tuition is limited to college and unis

[silver jacinth]

And if you print that most printers won't work with those margins

[regal axle]

I can only guess becuase this is just an image, but you should never rely on hyperlinks. You should write out what is required. Like "github/CoderJoshDK"

[gritty rivet]

You might just try learning Lua. I've never used it but it doesn't sound much harder than Python

[noble sleet]

It’s really not difficult to learn LUA, I’d recommend it for beginners.

[muted bridge]

Hello, I have a question. So, I am looking into double-majoring in CS and Data Science because I intend to work in Machine Learning in the future

I had contact with the program coordinator and he told me there are a lot of regulations in place for that specific double-major, and I’m not sure if I should take up the extra time commitment

I was wondering if DS was really important for this career, or if double-majoring in Statistics would work just fine

[vapid jay]

Don't think about specialization before even you start your undergraduate

[muted bridge]

I am a sophomore and I have to declare my major soon

[vapid jay]

In that case I don't know

I thought you were just about to enter university

[muted bridge]

Thanks anyways

I find data science very fun but I don't know if I should feel justified in having to take another semester's worth of classes

[lethal mango]

@gritty rivet I start learn python programming so hand wrighting note is best or computer note is best wich one is good could you tell me bro plese 🙏

[fringe sphinx]

Is that even an option? Most ds and cs programs are nearly the same except a small number of courses: some schools won't let a dbl major if the degrees are too similar

[gritty rivet]

The title on your degree ultimately doesn't mean a whole lot. I probably wouldn't delay graduation just to double major. There are certainly traditional CS graduates doing machine learning.

You could search LinkedIn to see the outcomes of recent graduates of your university with one degree or the other or both and decide from that if you think the extra semester might be worth it to you

[muted bridge]

my school allows it but none of the cs elective courses can crosslist for ds courses and vice versa

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know your specifics, but at least consider: instead of an extra semester towards a second bachelors, put that towards a masters. That's like 25% of a masters right there.

[muted bridge]

that’s another problem I’m having because I feel that I’m too early into my career to know that I want to do a masters

and even then I still hope to work in the industry a little before that decision

[fringe sphinx]

If data science is of interest to you, then the answer is: get your masters. You don't need to do it fulltime, but it should be in your 5 year plan at least.

[muted bridge]

so basically i shouldnt put it off, and instead i should work on my masters as soon as I finish my bachelors?

[gritty rivet]

Maybe.... Or maybe apply both for jobs and for master's programs and decide later based on how it goes

[muted bridge]

ultimately I feel like I need to take a double-major because at my current pace I’m expected to graduate a year early, and I don’t really want to rush. If I choose Applied Statistics I wouldn’t have to worry at all about graduating early or late, but I don’t know if it’s relevant for what I want to do (Machine Learning) or if employers will find it as relevant as something like Data Science

[peak halo]

Applied statistics is probably one of the best double majors you could do for machine learning

""data science"" is a buzzword with no widely accepted academic standard. Whereas statistics is very established.

[muted bridge]

okay thank you

[loud fiber]

hi

[fringe sphinx]

What I meant is: plan on the masters. Whether you take a short break, go right away, full time, or part time (while working) is up to you.

[muted bridge]

is a masters program important?

[gritty rivet]

Is.an MSc degree valued for machine learning work? Get a feel for your local job market and see who's doing what via LinkedIn etc.... But most likely you'll find that it is.

[fringe sphinx]

^ what I said specifically was "If data science is of interest to you, then the answer is: get your masters", for the reason dowcet cited above.

[muted bridge]

alright, thanks

[strange nova]

#python-discussion message
@tardy pecan
That sounds awesome!

[tardy pecan]

@harsh remnant I am here if you want to continue.

[muted bridge]

i mean, if you have further insight, I'm more than willing to listen

[tardy pecan]

Not as much insight as I wish I should've had at 30, but enough to understand from observation that once you start a career in tech it gives you the chance to turn your life around for the better. Better time management is the biggest I seen and health ! It's bizzare when I see friends in the field who somehow still have hair and look as if they were stuck in time.

[white vessel]

why would ppl give up paying f/t work to go into debt for a cs degree in 2024, esp with AI likely to replace them by the time they get 10 year exp under their belt

that statement made no sense to me

[strange nova]

That's why I suggested we come into here to continue the discussion

[white vessel]

please do

[summer roost]

the answer seems really obvious: they believe they're likely to have a better career a with a CS degree than without one

[solar shoal]

Ai will never replace software engineers

[umbral cradle]

wild statement considering the fast advancement of ai

and the already extremely prevalent use of ai within software engineering

[craggy cedar]

Anyone got a job ?

Need referral

[sour iron]

Hi. On that note, is writing github.com/CoderJoshDK enough? Or should there be a complete address, for hard copies.

Further, suppose I wish to refer a repository on my profile, then is typing CoderJoshDK/reponame.git enough too, this time omitting github.com?

along with the hyperlinks... that is

[white vessel]

the answer wasn't obvious, thats why it was open for discussion

things changed after the post covid hiring cuts, they cut 100 thousand odd jobs (maybe more globally) - yes they will keep the current 'super stars' and hire a dribble of the really top end high IQ grads with 1st's, but seriously the dude in McD's flipping burgers and doing a degree on the side graduating with a second, then getting a job at Google paying 250k cos they were grinding leetcode 24/7, those days have gone.

[dense mesa]

How are you using AI in your software engineering job?

[regal axle]

Yep, those examples are correct. Luckily there are a few links that you can take liberties on. GH being one of them (another being linkedin)

[craggy cedar]

What should we do now

[white vessel]

if a newbie I see it as you can either slog away and hope for the best, hope they see you're a 'shinning' star among the sea of applicants for ghost jobs at the lower levels, or you can stay in your present job and look for promotion, or you can train in another field, plenty of other areas of employment that don't need a cs degree

[craggy cedar]

What other field ? AI ?

[dim bay]

1. What is best python related freelancing skill/niche?

[white vessel]

are you likely to be graduate with a 1st degree from an esteemed top tear uni to meet the requirements of cherry picking hirers? If not then probably not AI, unless you want to focus on building your own business or get fortunate to land a job at a start-up

[craggy cedar]

Man this stuf sucks

[white vessel]

life is a sliding window, the window was broad and long for IT since the 70s and then suddenly there was a skills crisis when tons of startups got venture capital due to low interest rates, so bumped wages crazy as companies had to compete for very average workers, but now we have high interest rates, low venture capital and likely not so many startups, with companies deciding to use the opportunity to 'right size' and cut the wage bill and likely implement AI tooling which replaced the prior low level roles that were done by a basic IT dude before

but skilled civil engineers or trade specialists are now the one's in demand, so maybe a degree in mechanical or civil engineering is where the big wages will be for now, however thats beyond the scope of python career discussion

[warped root]

guys i want to learn python

how is it possible, i want like a online tutor like yk what i mean, like not just for me its like a teacher that teachs multipal people n stuff

[fringe sphinx]

This is one very skewed and cynical view of the world with some very cherry-picked analysis. There are other points of views, but you sound like your mind is made up.

[fringe sphinx]

Ask over in #python-discussion

[fringe sphinx]

For instance: employers hire from all uni's. Sure, the top 5% might get a boost in their initial job search, but tech does not have a caste system. (I'll correct myself here: psv said it better. Below: I'm saying tech is a meritocracy)

[fringe sphinx]

Freelancing isn't as big a thing as influencers would have you believe. Check out fiverr, and look what's available.

[abstract compass]

hey guys, I'm a cs student and I made an app that protects you from drunk you (no more drunk texting). I'm shooting for more reviews and users so plz check it out! https://www.drunkmode.app/

[gritty rivet]

There is plenty of illegal webscraping work on Upwork if you're willing to take $3/hour, otherwise you're better off looking for a normal job

[white vessel]

I said nothing about a 'caste system' do not make up things like this!

I think the need you had to say that tells me where your mind is

[white vessel]

haha nice one bro

[white vessel]

you obvious see the reality yet you turn it on it's head and throw in race to mix that up a bit, class act!

[true harness]

I think this is true in the US, but iirc the UK has their "Russell group" which companies really like

[fringe sphinx]

Are you here just to stir the pot? You implied that unless you go to a top uni for your 1st degree, that you can't land certain jobs. Perhaps I used the term incorrectly, but what I'm saying is: university is not career determinant.

[white vessel]

bro you lied that I was calling for a racist caste system

and you say I'm stirring jeeze

I'm done talking to you bro, ur on ignore

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1215181668634075177 Bad faith trolling is not welcome here. You seem to come here to drop hot takes and not engage in discussion. Either change your behavior or be removed from the server.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @white vessel.

[true harness]

what billybobby means to convey is that tech is generally a meritocracy. the "pedigree" of an applicant is hardly a consideration

[white vessel]

I see how it is, I'm sticking to just talking about python coding now

[muted bridge]

the ivy league name certainly gives you an edge in applications but the honest truth is that an ivy student with nothing on their resume won’t get hired just the same

but they’re ivy students, the likely odds are that they put much more work into their projects/competitions/resume

i go to a public state university and it’s funny how many students enter career fairs with “car washer” in their resume

cs is getting competitive and so simply getting a degree won’t cut it when it comes to applications

but to be honest, you should be majoring in something you’re passionate in anyways so if you can’t put in the work to make yourself a competitive candidate then cs was likely never for you

[peak halo]

getting into ivy is mostly about wealth and connections

[muted bridge]

wont deny

[white relic]

hmm, I wonder if the kind of people who have the connections and wealth to get into an Ivy also have an easier time getting jobs

[analog quartz]

sounds like a stretch

[peak halo]

One can only speculate.

[near ocean]

It sounds about right
Who else would you expect to have an easy time getting jobs if not the rich, highly connected graduates?

[fringe sphinx]

This conversation is difficult because there's a difference between bias (affluence has a positive affect on education and career outcome) and determinism (affluence and connection is the primary or dominant factor)

[white relic]

To be clear, I'm not saying tech isn't meritocratic, I'm just saying it's hard to argue that it's more or less meritocratic than getting into a "top tier" university in the first place.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, and: who's to say that these schools don't select highly qualified, organized and motivated students who are likely to be successful and land good jobs regardless?

I'm also not arguing against systemic bias, only that it's not one dimensional.

[near ocean]

I think its fairly obvious these schools overselect kids whose parents are alumni or rich enough to be
https://archive.is/N7tUy
Kids making it to the ivy leagues on parents coattails probably means they make it into the workplace on those coattails too

The best way to ensure a nice lucrative career is to be born into wealth, yall are too late already 😔

[white relic]

Likely. Which says very little about the success rates of people who didn't have those advantages.
Sometimes people talk like getting into a "tier 1" school is the key to a successful career, and having to go to your fallback school is as good as giving up

[near ocean]

Sure you might not be able to measure success rates of people who didn't go to ivy league from the stats but you can be sure they're lower

[low prairie]

No its not

Most people get into an ivy through hardwork, and they get it on complete merit too like my sister.

[peak halo]

my cousin did a phd at princeton without any legacy connections or my uncle making a donation. there are people who get in on their merits. but by and large, legacy connections and your ability to buy your way in is the chief predictor of ivy admissions.

[white relic]

what does it say about the acceptance rate of people who pay money for NYT articles

[gritty rivet]

Wait, people do that? They don't know about archive dot is?

[peak halo]

it's widely believed in the US that ivy graduates are the most meritorious people in the country (hardest working, best educated), and that belief is used to justify the high salary and high importance positions they take on. When it's really about keeping certain families at the top.

[gritty rivet]

And anyway wasn't this whole conversation started by the silly claim that only top Ivy students are getting hired as SWEs? That's just doomer nonsense that nobody actually working in the industry could possibly believe

[white relic]

doomer nonsense keeps this channel in business

[near ocean]

The link i posted above is an archived link for this exact article

Oh, it didnt post an embed, dangit discord

[white vessel]

guess it was too much to expect people to read without getting the wrong end of the stick and then going on about something totally different, then getting upset and start name calling, but it's to be expected online. My intention was not to have a go and then get racked over the coals for bothering, but actually to get a realistic view of how it is right now in this economy so those making the chose don't waste their time down a blind alley if it's not right for them

anyway I'm done, got real things to do then continue this

[near ocean]

🤨

[white vessel]

maybe read the rest for the correct context?

maybe thats the problem, I don't think it was just you

[fringe sphinx]

I'd perhaps quibble with 'most' (I think there's also an antiestablishment belief and understanding), but yes, I'd say it's widely assumed that Ivy League entails Hard Working and Well Educated and Exceptional, and this is probably fair: money alone doesn't get you in to these schools. (By Ivy League, I just mean; top uni)

[white vessel]

all I was saying that with easing money policy few years back it was far easier to get into a high paying role, with (or sometimes with out) a bog standard CS degree cos there was a high demand, not the economy has changed it's tightened up and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but for some reason I'm a doomer for stating reality

I didn't struggle, straight from uni to a job, but it was different at that time, as I said

I would have chosen a different degree if I couldn't get a job at the end of it

thats all I was trying to say but people took parts of the convo out of context of the original question and answer

are you serious?

do you not notice a huge number of layoffs

I do not know of one single company hiring deliberately right now

lots of ghost hires but they are just chancing it to replace people with a higher calibre (and don't start taking this personally, it's not ment to be a slight on people reading this, sigh!)

[true harness]

what companies do you know of?

[white vessel]

as I said, none

[analog quartz]

lmfao

well if you guys are talkign about different economies then the discussion is pointless

[white vessel]

are you employed or not?

[true harness]

that would explain why you don't know of any that are hiring 😛. but saying "no one is hiring" and actually meaning it is just absurd

[white vessel]

QED

[fringe sphinx]

The reason we say you're a doomer is because the three topics you raised are: AI is taking our jobs. There are no jobs. And, if you don't go to a top Uni, you're screwed.

[white vessel]

I hope it works out for you mate

[analog quartz]

he can see the future

[white vessel]

sigh, I said no one 'I know of' is hiring right now

I'm not actually looking, I still have a job thankfully

[analog quartz]

i need a job

[white vessel]

hope you get one soon

[analog quartz]

resume writing is my bane

[white vessel]

yeah it sucks

[gritty rivet]

It always will suck, but it may suck slightly less now with AI

There are loads of people on LinkedIn who will gladly take $200 to write your resume for you. Honestly I've never felt the need but some people swear by that approach

[true harness]

that's why I asked what companies you knew of in general. but even with massive layoffs at large companies, there are still tons of smaller companies that are still hiring and expanding

[analog quartz]

i has no money

[white vessel]

yeah projects and github, maybe physically networking with startups, but I know a lot of the venture capital is drying up now

[gritty rivet]

Do your best at a first pass, share it here anonymized, and we'll gladly roast it 😉 There's no way around it, you have to keep revising and getting feedback

[analog quartz]

😩

[white vessel]

yeah not sure if best to post on here from my experience, maybe get to know some trusted ppl

[fringe sphinx]

VC money isn't drying, VCs have to spend it or lose it: https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/10/venture-capital-2023-analysis/

It's cyclical, the markets ebb and flow

No, interest rates affect bank loans and the like

There's some indirect considerations, but VC money is private money

Here's a more recent article: https://www.bain.com/insights/global-venture-capital-outlook-latest-trends-snap-chart/

I guess, sure that's a way to look at it

[gritty rivet]

That's true, but I do hear that interest rates have an impact (https://www.goingvc.com/post/how-rising-interest-rates-impact-venture-capital-2). I'm also hearing that a lot of VC money is tied up in the buzz around AI and is a lot harder for everyone else

[white vessel]

rich people got rich by NOT using their own money, they leverage their wealth to borrow

you can't borrow so much on hair brained schemes if the economy tightens

[fringe sphinx]

They got rich by being rich?

[near ocean]

richer*

[fringe sphinx]

Same as a few years ago with crypto

[white vessel]

and a lot of start ups were zombies kept alive by loans, they were just throwing it at the wall, seeing what sticks

[vague forge]

I

[white vessel]

yep and thats what happened, now the market has restricted lending and interest rates way up the rich folk arn't going to throw in their own money, as I said the rich borrow to invest speculatively

[fringe sphinx]

That's literally the VC model: fund many companies and hope one succeeds (spectacularly)

[white vessel]

that train has gone

[fringe sphinx]

They're easy to get a hold of, I've worked with many. Pretty approachable.

[white vessel]

hence gold prices going through the roof, thats where the rich stash money in assets, they borrow to invest to make it

[fringe sphinx]

Assuming you have something to talk to them about. If not, then watch TechCrunch or similar and find recent investments

[fringe sphinx]

And you said you're not a doomer. Plz.

[white vessel]

anyway this is economics 101 now and nothing to do with python hiring

[analog quartz]

he's not a doomer he's a dreamer

[white vessel]

good luck with getting a job in the real world bro

[fringe sphinx]

You can email them. LinkedIn might works, of anyone, networking is their life

[analog quartz]

good luck getting that resume written*

[white vessel]

thankfully I have a job and don't need to write one, but good luck to you

[analog quartz]

😩

[white vessel]

and pro tip, if you use AI to help you, at least rewrite it in your own way, we use AI detectors at my place

[analog quartz]

o no

[odd dew]

if I want to be a software engineer, which is the better option BSIT or a BSCS?

[peak halo]

BS in CS

[dense mesa]

If you're in a major city there'll be meetups and events regularly. Bunch of stuff online to connect founders, operators and investors otherwise.

[near ocean]

Come to london, for er, business?

[dense mesa]

I've not met any VCs in London who would respond to cold linkedin messages

[smoky quest]

they wouldn't

[warm coral]

Best place to learn python from a course?

[smoky quest]

Sounds like a question for #python-discussion

[warm coral]

shii LOL wrong chat my bad

i saw discussion and typed away

[astral cosmos]

Is there any chat fouced on Python data?

[vapid jay]

Pro tip: go on upwork and copy other python dev’s projects

[deft herald]

.topic

[fringe sphinx]

Wdym?

[regal axle]

Wrong channel. Maybe one of the off topic ones. But you can alwasy dual boot. And just have split drives to make sure one OS doesn't mess with files in a different one

[tardy spire]

whoopsies i didn't notice sorry

[late sleet]

I'm trying to make friends.
I'm new at python &i need help
@late sleet .

[modern lark]

Hey, so I'm beginning to learn python and I wanted to know what other skills/ languages along with python would improve my chances of getting a part time job while I'm in school? I'm also picking up on some linux as well currently

[deft herald]

Part time job while you're in school? You should be happy with literally any job. You can get an internship in the summers though

[peak halo]

you won't be happy working food service or retail.

[peak halo]

The only programming-related jobs that will be available to you before you finish your degree are internships, which are usually full-time over the summer, and maybe some part-time campus jobs. There won't be any substantial part-time, programming-related jobs that you can do year-round until you finish the degree, no matter how much you upskill.

When you're job hunting during your last year, you might be a job offer to start part-time until you graduate, and then go straight into full-time. but that's about it.

[deft herald]

That's a broad statement.

[peak halo]

it's actually part of the US constitution that you can't be happy while working food service or retail.

[true harness]

there are highs and lows for any job. it's just that there are mostly lows in these areas 🗿

[shy sigil]

what's a good language for interview dsa 🤔
is python alright as long as you avoid using builtin methods to solve the problem
or would something like C be better so you have to implement everything yourself and somehow that contributes to the interview's success
im asking here, not stating

[nova snow]

C++

[spiral urchin]

What should I learn?
Data Science
or
Ethical Hacking

[umbral cradle]

why not both

imo ethical hacking is pretty easy to learn since most of it is using preexisting modules and packages efficently

[spiral urchin]

Ok

[azure heart]

!ban 496175050773364736 piracy spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @simple storm permanently.

[gaunt tartan]

which Branch of college should i take when going for Cybersecurity? Computer Science or Informational Technology?

[white relic]

Cybersecurity is neither. Are those the only options?

[balmy mural]

Our universities dont generally offer cybersec. The people who go into cybersec here do CS degrees and some additional essential cybersec certifications while completing CS

[white relic]

That's far from unusual here (USA), too, but if you were planning to go into cybersec specifically, it could pay to look a bit deeper.

I'm also not sure what they mean by "college", sometimes that means university level and sometimes secondary education

[young cedar]

blackhat hacker

[signal oar]

i applied for a internship and after 1 day i got a mail with a invite url for attending a 3hr test .. i am tensed:(

i dont get why its 3hrs long

i never applied for anything before

[spiral urchin]

Bruh

[true harness]

probably an automated OA. will just be some questions that test your knowledge somehow, probably won't take the full 3 hours

[white relic]

3 hours does seem like either an intense OA or a big overestimate

[shadow haven]

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Hello

[fringe sphinx]

These OAs have gotten so crazy, wow

[midnight grove]

Hi everybody

[gritty rivet]

Long shot, but anyone else here going to Fintech DevCon in Austin next month?

[patent robin]

I'm willing to learn data analysis

I downloaded a dataset from my city website with data about population by district over 10 years

I could know where's the best location to find a girl which wanna have babies analysing that?

like colouring a city map from green to red with red as the most increased in pop districts

[patent robin]

xD

I mean, if population has grown, that means maybe girls want to have babies

[true harness]

💀

[deft herald]

This is probably going to end up being just a population density map

https://xkcd.com/1138/

xkcd: Heatmap

There are also a lot of global versions of this map showing traffic to English-language websites which are indistinguishable from maps of the location of internet users who are native English speakers.

[buoyant seal]

Oh. That makes more sense now. I understood first different meaning.
Hmm... U could see Increase difference, but it would not account for immigration.
I would assume u need some age of people data to find such data via regular analytics.

U could also find it via neural networks, but once again u need more metric types so it would work correctly. Plus needing mapped set of answers in addition

[patent robin]

I'm just trying to find a good first project for learning data analysis

I thought a dataset about population is something with I can practice

but I need a first question to start the analysis process I guess

like, where to invest in a property to rent?

[buoyant seal]

Doing research on how to extract such data is essentially the core meaning of what data analysis is
Research is the process ^_^ easy to find answers if research is done

[calm willow]

most of the python freelancing jobs are of web scraping , why so?

[patent robin]

but I mean. What would a employer ask me to do with that database if I work as data analist?

[calm willow]

and now ML things!

[patent robin]

I know, but I don't like it pretty much, it implies dodging captchas and ilegal things

[calm willow]

where I can find freelancing jobs ( fr ) , other than just upwork!, I need to buy a GPU

[patent robin]

xD

[patent robin]

freelancer.com

[buoyant seal]

Check Kaggle competitions. It has datasets, and tutorials showing how people think to find their solution.
Get hang of thinking in this way.

Also u could put effort towards data engineering part to extract, process and clean data first
Pretty obvious hard skills to get hang of
Plenty of effort going to be in this direction for data person

[patent robin]

nice. Ill take a look. thanks

[patent robin]

are there a noob rated competition?

[buoyant seal]

Scientific research papers make the scientist's portfolio. Consider also writing your own blog eventually for research findings

[buoyant seal]

Yeah, find human digit recognition challenge for example

[buoyant seal]

I mean hand writing / hand written sorry
Instead of digit can be number or smth

[patent robin]

it is basically developing an OCR

[buoyant seal]

I am not really into data satanism, but I recently wrote kind of research stuff too
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/article/article_shortest_paths.html
Very silly stuff for calculating trade routes for a space simulator game.
I wrote my research comparison how I improved graph solving for all shortest paths finding from initial 2 minutes to 600ms
And all the algos for golang

It is more article for devs how to implement this stuff in Golang in performant way and showing ability to profile stuff for debug and acting on the received info to improve stuff further

[gritty rivet]

Because if you're not hiring for shady business, you're usually hiring full-time employees

[gritty rivet]

Are you still a student? You could get a normal student job

[calm willow]

yeah, final year!

so how can I find opportunities? for jobs?, currently can't do full time because of this attendance system in our university
and what are normal student jobs?

[deft herald]

Normal student jobs? lots of schools have part time jobs open to the students. Waiting tables, other food service, retail, lifeguard, child care, door dash, any of that kind of stuff

[gritty rivet]

What do your classmates do for income?

[calm willow]

they are dumb actually, few students have GPU but hey, for what they use GPU , obviously to play games not to learn new skills!, shit happens!

and yeah the college timing is generally for 5-6 hours (including attendance system ), but still I somehow remains at home and learn skills!

[regal axle]

what does a GPU have anything to do with anything?

[calm willow]

Training ML model sir!

[regal axle]

With modern ML problems, you need cloud compute to train anything novel. But ignoring that; there are many, many other things to do besides just ML.
But ,,, sure ...

[true harness]

why can't they just like video games 🗿. who's to say they aren't learning programming or something, lol

[deft herald]

I thought we were talking about income

[calm willow]

come on , I also like to play video games, I play actually, but if you got something usefull then use ! along side of playing games, because in our area job market is very bad!

[digital fjord]

feeling contempt for your classmates is a rather ineffective way to go through college, remember that these are the people you'll be working with or for after college, so try to make connections.

[calm willow]

yeah, I have strong connections with usefull people
for example , when I was in second year , I used to think who are the students from final year are best at coding and all stuff, but what I found was only few are , like 2 from 100. ( yes it's true ) bcz I belongs to tier-3 college, but when I found that students, I immediately connect to them , also they were finding good people to connect!
but not in my class, where half of students are just to get degree nothing else!

[regal axle]

There is more to life than just pure utility. ...

[calm willow]

and we are talking this in career related channel!

[digital fjord]

well, regardless, paid internships are sometimes a thing, and if not, the various part time jobs in the service industry are usually at least somewhat attainable.

[regal axle]

also don't be so stuck in your mind that it has to be a tech job. At least if you are need of cash and in school.

[digital fjord]

here, the awards (idk the actual term) for getting top 2% grades in a semester are also rather generous

and if you just need to train one or two models, look at a service like vast.ai, I have found that with local GPU prices, investment interest rates, and electricity prices, it is actually cheaper than owning a GPU. (not that I need a GPU anywhere near 24/7, making it even cheaper).

[fringe sphinx]

The problem with most cloud services (ime) is achieving that actual rate. The inefficiencies (hourly rounding, idle time, etc) often add up. I haven't checked out vast, but keeping aws cost under control is a daunting task

[smoky quest]

It's also far cheaper to take a scaling approach. When you are learning ML/AI/DL, you don't need to train on gigantic dataset from the get go. You can learn and start learning on your CPU or local GPU and a subset of the data.
Then when ready, you can rent a GPU. That's a great way to save money too

[keen karma]

hey hi i guys #1035199133436354600 i stuck at my collge project idea i only know the basics but i need to do mini project it need to contain 3 to 6 modules any one have any tip or idea but the project will be transacation based not transform

[final ravine]

This is off topic for this channel

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> self harm

[vapid jay]

instead of pinging mods to punish try to talk hikm outta it 💀

[smoky quest]

mods are there for your happiness, not punishment.
Also that would be off topic

[zenith jewel]

Hello World !

less goooo

[placid pelican]

Hiii

[gloomy phoenix]

Can I earn from freelancing if I learn just Python? Someone with adequate knowledge please answer.

[digital fjord]

yes, but freelancing is largely ineffective compared to regular full time employment unless you have good connections, or are in a low cost of living area.

[gritty rivet]

The chance you will find freelancing worth your time as a beginner is near zero unless $3/hour sounds like good money where you are

You can look on Upwork and Fiverr to see what the market is like

[gloomy phoenix]

I just want to earn around 20 dollars monthly to afford some of my expenses. I will mainly focus on my college studies but just want to work aside a bit to earn a few dollars. Is that possible?

[gloomy phoenix]

okay I get your point

[digital fjord]

yeah, that should be doable. I made respectable money (for a highschooler) freelancing for friends of friends, but it was rather inconsistent since there are not that many friends of friends.

[gloomy phoenix]

ohh alright.. sound good. Btw, what services I can provide if I know just python. I have heard multiple answers so just want to be clear on it

[gritty rivet]

Maybe possible then ... Suggest you to look at those sites. The problem is you'll see that even at the bottom for the most basic work, there are already people with tons of good reviews and they are likely to get picked before you

[gloomy phoenix]

Ahh I see, yeah thats true

[gritty rivet]

You'll see shady stuff like web-scraping is pretty popular

[gloomy phoenix]

Aside from that?

[gritty rivet]

Mostly highly advanced stuff... But again, taking a look for yourself is the best way to see

[gloomy phoenix]

okay thanks for you help! have a nice day

[signal oar]

hello does anyone have experience or heard of bits pilani online course..

of bachelors in cs online

https://www.coursera.org/degrees/bachelor-of-science-computer-science-bits

[fringe sphinx]

No, but; if it was in US, the first question I'd ask is: Is it accredited and by whom?

[signal oar]

they claim as recognized degree i cant see anything of accredition

[signal oar]

the university bits is a popular tier 1 university in india

what makes me doubtfull is, this is offered through coursera

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I had the same reaction (to the coursera part)

[signal oar]

but fee structure is same as offline ones

there is one more, online one for data science from iitm it has very good reviews.. but since it is datascience am not really sure

[gritty rivet]

No, but you could check LinkedIn to see if real people are graduating from there and what they're doing

[dull belfry]

anyone doing iitm online ds

is it good one to pursue as a degree alone

[brave matrix]

Anybody here did the Hudson River trading test on Code Signal? Want to know what to expect

[vapid jay]

Online course are not worth their cost especially from indian universities

[vapid jay]

hello

[sacred socket]

I'm new to coding. I want to learn coding. I'm gonna do AIDA from IIT Madras. Where should I start from?

[lusty river]

Is there anyone looking for a developer?

[sacred socket]

Add on yes

Separate is putting your career at risk

Actually it's a part time course

[sacred socket]

Newbie. Know 0 about except Python(60/100)

[feral narwhal]

yo how do i do hello world

[fickle ether]

system.out.println("hello world")

[feral narwhal]

thank you

[fickle ether]

anytime chief 🙏

[feral narwhal]

how do i use variables

[regal axle]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

Do people actually care if a cover letter is a page and formatted like a letter? Or can I just write a paragraph of what I am looking for + why the position is a good fit?

Something like this (image) seems excessive to me.

[feral narwhal]

yo is c# better than python

[regal axle]

buddy; wrong channel.
tl;dr they are different. Not one better or worse than the other. #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare or #python-discussion

It is an internship. I wouldn't stress over if you made the right choice. Both are good options. And congrats on getting an internship!

[sage hatch]

tysm!

[regal axle]

I get the value of them. Just the format is kinda all over the place. I feel more open to less formal when it is a text box. But when they ask for a pdf,,, idk

Yea ,,, no. I have used gpt to help me with writting in the past,,, I end up rewritting almost all of it. And it is super generic. I don't find good outcomes with using gpt

But I guess I am confident enough to write above average

Oh, I know how to prompt it. I spent a couple months on helping design a whole prompt engineering crash course. I still find that it is not quicker. There are a few things that it can be quicker on. But not this. When I need to make a message more "flowery," it helps with that

it do like to yap

[peak halo]

@last condor we don't allow the posting of surveys, so your message has been removed.

[frank lance]

Hello all!

[dense mesa]

@sage hatch JPM is 100% a better brand name than Barclays. It's not really a comparison imo, not sure why people are saying both are the same

[dense mesa]

Also wanted to ask: this is in London right?

[sage hatch]

yeah that what i was thinking. i just wanted to clarify with people who will know the differences between them

[sage hatch]

glasgow, scotland

[dense mesa]

Barclays in London would have been comparable to JP Glasgow, but if both are in Scotland then still 100% JP way to go

[sage hatch]

yeah both scotland. plus jp just opened a new technology centre in glasgow and its 100% tech recruiters / swes that work there

[dense mesa]

Come a bit earlier and stay a bit later than everyone else in your team does. Have many coffee chats where possible. Go to any events/teach-ins/networking things that you can

One summer at JP will be a massive boost already, make sure you get the value out of it

[regal axle]

Because it isn't worth thinking about if one was better over another and having regret. There was some reason why they chose one over the other, and that should be all the thought required into it. No need to stress over what could have been. I get that they just want validation for their decision; but I just wanted to share how it isn't super important to dwell. Both are good options with good opportunities.

[dense mesa]

I'm a software engineer, in finance, in the UK. It's a super competitive industry, the earlier you can get a leg up the better

Having a difficult 12 weeks over one summer to boost your career a few years is usually worth it

[regal axle]

That is what they all say about all of the industries. Grind grind grind. If you are not putting in at least 100 hours every week, you are behind. In fact, just reading this, you are falling off!!

[dense mesa]

That's not what I'm saying at all, the point is to put in some of that work early, in 12 weeks, so you don't have to work 100 hour weeks for the same opportunities.

Additionally finance is notorious for this, if not one of the main examples

Entry level positions are becoming difficult to break into as a CS grad, having any advantage is necessary in the UK.

JPM is on another tier to Barclays, not only in tech exposure but also getting further opportunities in other industries

[regal axle]

Perhaps. But A) I never said that you can't get a lot out of one over the other. And also, just seems like you have a small world view. I am not going to pretend that I am always right; just that you are not really grasping what I am saying

[true harness]

having a small world view is not really relevant when the small world is what is being considered

[dense mesa]

@regal axle do you work in the field?

[shrewd parrot]

guys i dont really use linkedin does it really matter?