career-advice

[white relic]

Often the candidates might not even have been interviewed by the same people, which is another factor.

Is it unfair? In a sense it is, and I'm sympathetic to someone who got passed over in such a way. Is it morally wrong though? That seems a hard position to take.

[harsh remnant]

What’s the max page a resume should be

[dreamy shadow]

1 page, 2 pages if you have ~10 YoE+

[balmy spade]

Aim for one.

You can always bring a more detailed copy to interviews for talking points.

[harsh cape]

Hey All I want to ask one question ?

[white relic]

does it have to do with careers?

[vapid jay]

Lol hi

[brazen island]

It's not because I heavily benefitted from it but I see nothing wrong with referrals. Especially if the company does their due diligence and asks in what capacity you know them and if you've worked with them as well.

[smoky quest]

It's not predictable nor can you schedule it

[brazen island]

All the referral did at the other company was getting people to look at my CV faster and having a character reference. I still had to do the 4 round, 1 month long process

Depends on how much they could vouch for that one person and who it is who is referring and how good their cv is

[fringe sphinx]

That is true: I do try to qualify whether it's a 'I worked with this person' vs 'I hang with them at a bar' or 'my cousins boyfriend needs a job'. I get a lot of the latter type.

In fact, my worst hire was a family member (not very close, but close enough). Only time I ever did it. Epic mistake.

[pine sleet]

do you make this judgement before looking at the resume?

[plush orchid]

Guys is there any famous discord server for java learning just like this for python?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I always ask how/why they know the person.

[smoky quest]

nope

[plush orchid]

No discord for java? That's sad

[smoky quest]

there are discords for java. None of them as useful or great as this one is for python

[plush orchid]

I understand, high paid jobs are only demanding Java these days so I decided to learn Java first. My friends got many rejections for not knowing java well, especially in this recission time in software industry.

[fringe sphinx]

That's certainly not true. Many languages are in demand. Java is valuable but not your only option.

[smoky quest]

There are many types of high paying jobs

[fringe sphinx]

https://www.glassdoor.com/Job/united-states-software-engineer-jobs-SRCH_IL.0,13_IN1_KO14,31.htm?maxSalary=209000&minSalary=120000&sortBy=date_desc

Lots of well paying jobs, all with different stacks

[robust island]

My advisor convinced me to go for sw eng major instead of cs, any thoughts between the two? I imagine it could vary per uni

[fringe sphinx]

How many courses different? Probably 4-6 max, I'd bet

[robust island]

A few less gen eds and a few more sw/math compared to cs

[fringe sphinx]

I don't think it matters, does vary by school, usually it's a small diff between the two

[safe loom]

Answering my message from months ago: I'm now laid off and looking for a new job where I live. It's been around 2 months and so far nothing positive. I got some interviews that ended up in ghosting because I guess they were looking for more experienced profiles or whatever the hell that means.

[fringe sphinx]

Have you had your resume reviewed?

You can post here, redact/remove your personal info

[safe loom]

I have a resume in French. I can probably grab the English ver but it's not up to date rn.

[robust island]

more than a few actually lol

The advisor said SE would be more focussed and challenging but lead to more developed skills and a more competitive resume

[atomic nest]

ive never seen a swe major be an option

[fringe sphinx]

They're probably right. CS carries some legacy classes that'll make you wonder what the point is.

[atomic nest]

idk where I live it’s all under the broader computer science

[fringe sphinx]

It's increasingly common, as a slightly more practical version of CS

[atomic nest]

you’re telling me that I could have been sparred calc 2

[fringe sphinx]

But it's not so different where an employer would significantly care about the diff

[robust island]

16 hrs of foreign language is crazy for cs lol

[fringe sphinx]

The worst of all calcs

[atomic nest]

I only took 1 last semester im taking it this semester im cooked

[balmy spade]

dang, Data science just being throw to the wolves with "You figure out what to take"

[robust island]

Yea he literally said "Data science is new, don't even bother with it" lol

[safe loom]

Will this be ok?

[smoky quest]

• Make it one column
• Make it fit in a single page
• Remove the skill bars
• Use the newly gained space to describe more your experience and projects

[safe loom]

Because of the ATS thing, right? I heard that's how my resume could be filtered.

[smoky quest]

it's mostly a myth.
You can view ATSes as a giant spreadsheet to track applicants/jobs

[safe loom]

Like so? Also the tool I'm making these resumes with doesn't remove the bars under skills unfortunately.

[smoky quest]

this looks like way longer than a single page

[safe loom]

It is actually on 2 pages.

[smoky quest]

yeah, you do not have the experience to justify 2 pages

[safe loom]

Not even if I delve into further detail when it comes to my professional experiences?

[smoky quest]

With your experience, going into two pages means you wrote way too much about your professional experience

right now, most of the space is not taken by that anyway. It's taken by the random lists

[safe loom]

I think I wrote too many skills too. Some of them might not be relevant to the job offer.

Someone should definitely add that layout to AmruthPillai's ReactiveResume.

[smoky quest]

there are also lessons to be learned in how it relates to product and communication of value

[regal axle]

Lol, I just got a (warm?) cold contact from a company that gave me an offer for an internship. I didn't go with them all that time ago because the pay was less than a different offer.
But I don't have my resume set up and can't get it together for a few days (at least). How long do you think I have to respond? I mean, may as well. I was looking for a new job. And it costs me little to respond directly to a recruiter.

[true harness]

such as?

[summer roost]

you've got until the role is filled, I'd assume 😄

[regal axle]

hehe yea :p

[sharp owl]

Is there anyone among you or someone known here who knows Python very well?

[harsh river]

#python-discussion

[coral wasp]

Hello guys can you help me with something? Im applying for a internship and im sending an email with my resume attached. I also made a brief presentation and was wondering if should add my linkedin to it. Honestly i don't have any projects there yet, only some posts about some mentoring ive done. Do you guys think is unnecessary to add it then?

[trim crypt]

LinkedIn is a professional network site. So definitely add it in.

[coral wasp]

Alright then, thank you Qoyyum! I was a bit worried that i could look a bit silly since i didn't have anything relevant there. Like what if the recruiter go search me thinking theres some project and they find nothing hahahaha

[brazen island]

I'm from Belgium too. One column CVs are not a must here. You can keep it in. Such a layout. Don't use the template they mention. If you're applying internationally then maybe changing it makes sense though.

[static mesa]

Hey all , just joined the server. I been working in ops for 13 years then switch to devops and finally learned python fully and I am in love, i think i wanna change career again. Been coding like crazy trying to build a portfolio

[crimson dust]

How many years or months have you been preparing to get the job?

It's really happy if I refer your resume... haha

I mean I want to see your resume as a reference

[fiery shell]

Hey Guys,
Is anyone available for a short check of my CV? I'm searching for a job, however It's kinda... harsh these weeks and I'm wondering if it is due to CV or just bad market.

[crimson dust]

In this field, I am a newbie and haven't no idea how make a clean and well-structured one

Thanks

Oh, I downloaded it already.

I will refer to it. Thanks

[fiery shell]

SHould I posrt the CV here for a check or there is a different page ofr that?

[fiery shell]

That is my current resume

[fiery shell]

Thank you, appreciated.

@turbid bobcat why not 2 column type tho?

[gritty rivet]

Also bad for ATS trying to read your resume

[cunning rock]

oh

[west nest]

bro im ne w

[brazen island]

Any tips for negotiating a salary? Received an offer but I feel like I should have more

[fringe sphinx]

First, grab a nice cup of coffee: don't stress it or be offended. (nearly) Everyone feels that way.

Then, dispel any idea of feeling bad about negotiating. We (techies) tend to hate this, but it's an opportunity to start things on the right foot: by setting expectations and establishing your value.

On a practical level, consider the three levers you can negotiate: Base, Options, Bonus.

Broadly: this is an opportunity to put them on the backfoot: make them say something like: "We'll reevaluate" or "If you do XYZ, we'll do ABC"

[fringe sphinx]

On the specifics: what's your main concern? Base?

[brazen island]

I'm not offended, it's a good offer. I just think I could have more. I'm basing it on my cohort (we transparently share TC). One of them actually works there already, I asked her her comp before applying and it's higher than my offer and she's due a negotiation so she'll rise

[fringe sphinx]

How far off do you think it is?

[brazen island]

The gross is off by 7-8%, before she negotiates

[fringe sphinx]

I mean, how low do you think your base (salary) is from your expectation (and from what you think would be great)

ie: Is it 5% below what you expect, and 10% below what you would be thrilled with?

[brazen island]

I have no idea that's the problem. I'm talking to my cohort to see where they're at and will take what they have as a lower bound

[near ocean]

Theres more than salary you could negotiate for btw
PTO, remote/hybrid status, your equivalent of pension matching, etc

[fringe sphinx]

The second thing you can negotiate is the bonus / options. It's often easier to walk in and say: "While the salary is lower than what I'm seeing elsewhere [you don't have to explain], I'm confident in my ability: I am confident that I'll come in and deliver."

[brazen island]

My reasoning is that that's what they're on now and people typically renegotiate between sept and dec, I'm not going to get that bump

[brazen island]

This is solid, thanks

[fringe sphinx]

It's a little bit of back and forth: anticipate their questions and don't try to guess on your feet. If they ask an unexpected question, tell them you need to think about it. They are experts at (hiring) negotiation, not you.

[brazen island]

I think I can rationalise it ahead of time yeah. me and my cohort share comps so I'm collecting them as we speak

My line of argument will be that it's a very strong offer and I could take it as is but I have reasons to believe I should get a bit more based on xyz

[fringe sphinx]

Not a very compelling argument if "you could take it as is".

Or "its a very strong offer".

[brazen island]

I think this is cultural

Flatter and add a but at the end is typical (compared to direct communication)

[fringe sphinx]

You could say: "You appreciate the [generous?] offer, and really want to work there and work with [people you know]. The comp package, however, is a bit lower than your expectations. Is there some flexibility on your part with this?"

It's low-key, not assertive, but doesn't come out and say: "Yah, I'll take the job even if you don't offer more"

[brazen island]

The title/team I'm being assigned to is also not optimal but that's something I care about fighting

[fringe sphinx]

Title is often hard to negotiate, because it's often aligned to salary and HR needs to be sensitive to current titles.

I had a funny situation where I got a really good package, but they couldn't figure out what title to give me without pissing off current employees.

[brazen island]

I think the title and team I'm assigned is more so because of accounting purposes

[fringe sphinx]

I ended up getting some stupid title. Can't remember it now.

[brazen island]

It's consulting. Each team has a couple of partners. They need to balance the books. They figured I could do the work of a traditional data engineer/architect as well as a data scientist but gave me the former as a title

[near ocean]

i've had to negotiate a title change but it was 8months into a job and i had to basically give a presentation 🗿

[fringe sphinx]

One thing you can do is put this on the table now, and ask for a title review in 6-12 months.

It doesn't mean much other than giving you something to reference later: "Hey, during hiring, we talked about the title and agreed to revisit after we got a better feel for my responsibilities"

[brazen island]

I care more about the work than the title tbh. I could carry the "data plumber" title so long as the work is interesting

[fringe sphinx]

However, it might matter on your next job... especially as a DS. As a DE or SWE, I don't care about title... but in your expertise, title may matter more.

[brazen island]

We'll see. I'm also not married to DS so I might pivot out of it. More than enough time to think about it.

[nova glade]

hello everyone i studying to build my python skills

do you know amy free websites to cod along a projects

[fringe sphinx]

exercism and codewars is popular.

!kin is also helpful

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fringe sphinx]

And, #python-discussion is a better channel to ask.

[trim crypt]

Need a bit of advice. I'm in a good job position. Its remote support work. Been at it since 2017. I'm sure there's more to learn but, I kinda have this bad position/image with my employer. We kept getting misunderstood and miscommunication. My colleagues are pretty chill and we quite well together. My supervisor is accommodating albeit busy with a lot of work on a daily basis that its hard to get help or advise from him. But my employer tend to either micromanage or just chooses to be difficult with me when the opportunity to interact with me is there.

Now I'm getting the opportunity to fly in to the head branch, where he's there. I'm not comfortable with confrontation and hopefully, no gaslighting. I intend to stay because I like this remote work. The other con is there's no growth or progress in the company. It's the same old, same old since 2017 but its not a dealbreaker for me. Should I stay despite the bad relationship with my employer or should I start looking for another job? How should I address this properly if I'm about to get into another communication conflict?

E.g. of such conflicts. I said that I can handle this technical problem and its being handled. He believes that I should call for help (bug my supervisor) but I don't need to. He insists anyways and bugs him for me. After back and forth between him, my supervisor and myself, I managed to resolve the technical problem without my supervisor's help. Then complains to me that I should ask for help anyways. 🤷‍♂️

[fringe sphinx]

"The other con is there's no growth or progress in the company": This is the real problem for me. Without growth, you may reducing your future options. This job won't last forever.

"He believes that I should call for help": You do have to play the game. If bossman wants you to do things their way, do things their way... but maybe suggest a short standup meeting to chat with your supervisor. What may be happening is: supervisor is saying that they don't know what you're working on.

Maybe proactively schedule a 5-10 minute daily or every other day chat with your supervisor to talk through things.

I have a lot of experience, and my coworkers have a lot of experience, and we always come up with better solutions when we talk to each other.

[umbral ibex]

hi guys

[kindred hull]

anyone in here know anything about discord bots ? #1250487602893819934

[hazy ether]

https://tenor.com/view/bus-london-red-cat-jam-meme-gif-18591021

[fringe sphinx]

My standard advice is: Get better at not knowing the answer.

[pastel thunder]

is my round of 1 of current company(that i am interviewing at) i was actually told to answer only what was asked, lol

anyways camera gave up on director round, i hope they reschedule

same here dude, it happen even if they ask me conceptual question

[wheat hatch]

Would you like an advice regarding this that I usually use?

I also have a habit of going into too much detail during interviews. The way I try to get around this is that I tell myself that the person interviewing isn't interested at all, and that I'd only bore them with details. It's a balance of course, sometimes they want you to go into detail, but in my cases they have always asked if that was the case.

Yep, I think that's the way to go. As with most things you apply portions of it depending on the situation, but letting them guide the subject to an extent can definitely be a sound strategy.

[thorny horizon]

Sup everyone, so I am thinking of doing a portfolio for software developing but to be honest I have 0 idea on where to start, can anyone give me some projects so I can work on?

[summer summit]

check out https://github.com/tuvtran/project-based-learning#python for some ideas

[thorny horizon]

Thanks

[open ivy]

I wonder if anyone has long-standing portfolio website, of thier own projects, but still has trouble getting a job?

Would you like to share your website's link?

ok

[tender cove]

So a person messaged me on fiverr and said this:

We are looking for a dockerized RAG system that can in parallel crawl and index webpages, PDFs, audio, image, MS Word, MS PowerPoint, MS Excel, Text, etc. The RAG should be able to support streaming responses (OpenAI format)

Tools: haystack 2.0 RAG combined with an premise hosted LLM. We already have and will provide access to a LLM phi 3 model via OpenAI API compatible text-generative-inference server.

The service should be deployed as a docker container with the exposed streaming endpoint.

The RAG endpoints should be able to take in text as well as also other formats such as pdf, image, audio, Excel, word, PowerPoint, video and URLs.

he keeps asking me the price without going into the details like hours needed on this and I already told him that the web crawler thing is alone a big. So what should I do here, tell him that this isn't gonna work and back off?

[fringe sphinx]

This is a project that needs a team of engineers, not fiverr. You're doing right thing by telling them to break it into smaller milestones. If they are open to small task milestones, and can afford it, then great. But as written, this is impossible.

[dim coyote]

Hi everyone! I had my first pair programming interview ever and it went... ok. Five minutes before it I found out that the language support module for the language I wanted to use wasn't installed in my editor. Then I got really nervous and decided to refactor a couple of loops that didn't need anything but to be left alone. Those ten minutes felt like a nightmare, luckily my interviewer was really patient and let me try something else. So I went for trying to simplify nested loops into a linear data structure to reduce time complexity. That gave the interview a fresh breath and I could discuss something that actually showed my skills. However, the lesson here is: Get ready as much as you can even though you think you're ready because sometimes you aren't actually. Also, test everything you'll be using in the interview and make sure that it works properly. I might not get to the next stage but today it was a great day to learn to prepare my interviews in the future. BTW, check your wi-fi as well, it can give you a huge head ache.

[twin shell]

Crafting my first resume! Could REALLY use some help from someone whos done it before regarding where to put the info i want. Please dm if ur willing to help, MERCI (THANK YOU)

[true harness]

you can look up some templates for software engineering online. i believe there is a pinned message with an often recommend template too

[true hatch]

Ik I shouldn't worry about my career in this stage of my life but do high-end hotel bartenders make good money? Look, I enjoy mixing sodas and drinks, I do it all the time, I enjoy it a lot.

[peak halo]

I would look that up on Glassdoor. This channel is for discussing careers that involve python.

[deft herald]

^ this

But also, I believe they do make good money. I also know that's a pretty prestigious job and takes a whole lot of work to get there

[true hatch]

College is necessary? I'm just happy I found something fun.

[deft herald]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[deft herald]

Let's take this there

[hollow kestrel]

do you guys think AI will replace cs jobs in 5-7 years?

[pine sleet]

no

[open ivy]

The answer is the skills are/will change, which is not a clean "yes" or "no" answer.

Remember that computer programming has been replaced in a sense. Compilers generate machine code so humans don't have to (interpreted languages such as Python get compiled to byte code). But of course, we still need to tell the compiler what to do.

And so people will need to know what to tell the AI to do. At this level it becomes more an architecture question: How do you design your program's codebase so it's not spaghetti? What are performance/efficiency/security considerations? What prompts are best to ask the AI.

[pine sleet]

senior prompt engineer 😩

[peak halo]

I'm a computational linguist and work with LLMs as my profession.

My speculation is that the worst case scenario for the next 5 to 7 years is that there are fewer entry-level jobs. Generative LLMs are pretty capable as assistants when you already know what you're trying to do. But there's a lot more to being a professional software dev than the set of tasks for which LLMs are especially capable on their own.

[open ivy]

But the skills are not the same.

Programming in the early days was about fundemental understanding of computation and algorythims. Moving from assembly to Python didn't really change this.

It is less and less this. Instead of coding a clever molecular dynamics code, you just use a package. Oh, but you will use this in the cloud and need to learn Docker. Sorry, your advanced understanding of sympletic integrators will not help...

When the cloud goes wrong, it is much like a biological system going wrong. You can't stick breakpoints into the middle of an AWS lambda serverless server and see why the packet was dropped. It is really hard to drill down.

But unlike biology labs (as they are now), you can automate everything given enough time. The decisions of what to automate how and where becomes crucial. This skill will matter most.

[peak halo]

the idea that prompt engineering will emerge as an occupation makes me so fucking mad. generative AI isn't very impressive or helpful if you need years of special training to use them effectively.

[hollow kestrel]

so if i want a career in cs what steps do you guys recommend taking (i have basic cs knowledge)

[peak halo]

getting a CS degree

[hollow kestrel]

ok

[open ivy]

There is a trend in employment that they are hiring less and less junior engineers.

I don't really know a good fix for this bootstrap problem...

But there are quite a few people in CS who struggle to get a job, but are still invested in the craft of thier work. Those are useful for networking with. Because they are less busy, and many eventually DO get a job. And hey, making friends is better than just wasting time alone online.

[buoyant seal]

During master's degree i played with neural networks for a thing to defend diploma.
imo it may affect or replace some entry jobs / level of effort as mentioned.
affecting stuff like simple html/css writing queries for freelancers, or automating for HRs cold recruiting and etc.
Otherwise, if we think for cs jobs, as thing done by people who finished CS higher education, then it is intelligent enough work to be irreplacable by AI due to technology limitations.

[buoyant seal]

Nothing really to be worry about. Chances that this hype will open any breakthrough stuff that can indeed affect stuff seriously is like a chance to invent Hyperspace Fast Than Light Engines. Chances are very slim.
For people like Nvidia to tell otherwise and with certainty it is completely reasonable because for them hype gives billions of money, as they are the ones producing videocards used for neural network trainings. Money can force people to tell whatever thing is necessary with conviction

[buoyant seal]

I have some hopes people in 5 years will finally mostly forget about this hype like web3/crypt/nft hypes went down, and we will be emitting less CO2.

[buoyant seal]

AI is very convincing in telling bullshit, and convincing non tech people though. So this statement is truthful:

"AI can't replace a programmer, but it can convince a manager that it can"

[open ivy]

AI is disrupting the balance between brainwashing tools and productivity tools.

Computers and internet have been amazingly good at both. In the right hands, powerful amplifiers of one's creativity and individuality. But the internet also spreads lies. So a double edged sword with about equal edges, you win some you lose some.

However, AI is not a good productivity tool! It seems like it is, superficially, since you can say "draw a car ..." and it draws a car. But the ability to personalize the car is very limited. You cannot really express your creativity through a few sentences of prompt. This is in contrast to, say, GIMP where you retain fine-grained control over the parts of the images that need it.

AI coding is a useful tool, but it really is being used as a database. "how do draw an ellipse arc with a gradient from red to green" in Javascript. Is it drawEllipse? drawArc? beginPen? AI will tell you. But so would a database of API calls and examples, if it had as much and as good training data as chat GPT has.

It's the illusion of AI being so good that makes it a super brainwashing "tool". It can spam out generic art, deepfake politicians, superficially intelligent-sounding fake news, and more. It repeats human-learnt biases and group-think and encourages humans to do the same.

Crucially, there is a loss of control. Good tools don't have this problem! I don't understand Python in terms of how the .py files turns into logic gates in a silicon chip. But I understand Python very well from a behavioral perspective. A dict won't suddenly turn into a list because some weight in a neural network says that lists are better suited here. Python is excellent (not perfect, but close) at keeping the user in control. But with AI, it is very much a black box which makes it worse (in my mind) than just having running a "dumb" search engine across the training data annotated code examples.

[smoky quest]

probably more appropriate for #data-science-and-ml ?

[open ivy]

Yes, if anyone wants to continue the AI discussion they can move it there.

[flat elk]

Anyone in data Analytics ?

[torpid sierra]

I want to be an expert in python .. what should be my approach to learn all basics and advance topics from where should i start . which topics i need to read

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[torpid sierra]

where can I learn python any sources becz there are are many sources put there which one will be the best

[smoky quest]

sounds like a question for #python-discussion

[brazen island]

Okay after talking to basically all of my cohort I'm still friends with I'm gonna ask for a 10% bump on their offer. The offer is really good but I still think I'm being lowballed a bit and 10% is right on the border of "worth fighting for"

[smoky quest]

so you are saying you will ask for 15% but settle on 10%?

[brazen island]

Is that what I should do?

[smoky quest]

Depends if these 5% represent 5k or 50k

but it's easier to get there where you want by asking more than what you want

[brazen island]

It's a European salary, so more like 5k

[smoky quest]

I mean, in general, what you ask for in your counter offer becomes the max you can get. The negotiation will be based on that number.
So either you take the "I want my 10%, take it or leave" road, but then you have to be ready to walk away, OR you are ready to negotiate on the spectrum between their offer and your counter-offer

[brazen island]

Comparing packages is non-trivial here because every company has different bonuses and perks. I was just looking at an offer I received from their competitor 2.5y ago. There was a transparent growth plan on it. If I look at where I'd be in their growth plan vs. their offer is 27% lower (but their offer had better bonuses and perks)

I think if I can pull out the 27%, which isn't a number I invented but also the benchmarks I did with my cohort (that work for competitors, that I'm still interviewing at) it should work

Unless salary discussions aren't facts and just vibes. I haven't done any

[brazen island]

This is solid, I'll start with 15% then

[smoky quest]

a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B

you just have to be a bit flexible in the how. It can happen the cash is somewhat fixed due to benchmarks, but can have more wiggle room on the equity side. Though that's more for US companies

[brazen island]

It's kind of a matter of principle for me. I'm flexible but don't want to be lowballed but my preference is taking their offer. I'll try and convey that

[smoky quest]

yeah, people want to feel appreciated and do not want to have regrets

[brazen island]

Yeah, I don't need to be upped on the gross. Whatever else they can do in the form of perks works for me

Assuming they're functionality equivalent ofc

[trim crypt]

Thanks for the advice

[still oracle]

is Mircrosoft Azure Fundamentals Certifications worth it ?

[dense mesa]

Did the company/recruiter specify WhatsApp?

Interesting, maybe they've had bad experiences calling people over regular lines

[true harness]

what about teams or zoom though. do they use WhatsApp internally too 🤨

[dense mesa]

That would explain it

[dense mesa]

A number of recruiters in London have been asking to message/call over WhatsApp now. Let's them get a hold of candidates easier

[true harness]

interesting

[lapis wind]

personally tbh, I would prefer whatsapp

Teams and zoom install and setup etc can sometimes be a bit of a pain -_- Looking at you in particular teams

[true harness]

unix philosophy 😩. though Jenkins is a bit dated now

[lapis wind]

Yeah ngl I do not miss Jenkins

GH actions has its issues, but man it is easier to setup and maintain

Also now it finally supports ARM and GPU instances a lot of our issues with it has gone

[fringe sphinx]

If you're committing to main, then tagging commit messages with the issue is really helpful/importsnt. If you're using PRs, same thing for the PR. The ability to later figure out -why- a change was made is both helpful and very simple. We try to enforce this religiously: if a change needs to be made outside of an issue, an issue is opened.

(That said, don't need to do this, and just use the PR as the source of changes, but we have a lot of discussions in the issues and use it for communication with our client(s)

Are you familiar with conventional commits? Since we're talking messages

https://www.conventionalcommits.org/en/v1.0.0/

Yah, if pr is small, seems overkill to tag each commit.

[true harness]

my team enforces a 9 character jira ticket ref, plus some spaces and a colon, plus whether it's a fix or a docs change or whatever. really eats into my 50 characters 😔

[mighty root]

hi, I have a problem with access for my github user, I can't log in even if I recover my password

[mighty root]

please help me

ehm thank you bro

[worthy violet]

I need some setup device when it comes to working from home. I have a new job. I have a personal, ultrawide monitor that has multiple inputs. I have a work laptop and docking station. If I plug my work laptop into my personal monitor, and switch back and forth between inputs, can IT see what's on my personal computer? Is this even efficient, or would it be better just to get new monitors for work only (geuss I'll need a new desk).

[fallow tusk]

anyone recommend free version of code with mosh tutorials? i find his lessons really good but its not free lessons

[fringe sphinx]

No (to the q of whether IT could monitor the other inputs to your monitor). Your work laptop and personal computer use different inputs to the monitor: IT could monitor your work laptop, but not your personal computer, because they don't have direct access to your monitor

My main setup is a ultrawide main monitor, and a smaller side monitor. The side monitor doesn't fit well on desk, so I have it on a swivel mount (clamp)

[worthy violet]

Thank you for the explanation here! That is a good idea about the swivel mount. I will need to look into that. I think I would be able to do everything I need with my ultrawide monitor and a small side one as well. I just wanted to make sure that if I switched back to my personal input (with the work laptop still being connected to my monitor) that IT could not see that.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, unless they're hacking your laptop camera or something (pro tip: cover it with a sliding cover.. they sell little privacy tabs that stick to a laptop camera that slide open/closed)

[worthy violet]

Hopefully they're not that invasive haha! I have seen those on Amazon! I'm going to pick up some now. I apprecaite you!!!

[vapid jay]

Hi guys Ai is Taking over Should i choose computer science as Major ? i'm intrested in Coding but.. Scared that AI will take over the career

[brazen island]

I decided not to cancel ANY interview I still had in the pipeline in case the negotiations go south on salary tomorrow

Going to aim for a full 10-15% bump on their offer and I don't think they'll be able to call my bluff because I have numbers to back it up

[fringe sphinx]

Just remember that if they hit you with a curveball, don't feel the urge to answer on the fly.

Like, they might say somethign about: x but we'll do a salary review in X months, or something

[brazen island]

Yeah, I've not done any salary negotiations but "talking" in a broad sense (incl. pitching) is my strong suit so I think I should be fine.

If it goes south or threatens to go south I'll tell him to take it offline with the partner that actually facilitated the deal. It buys me more time to actually get offers from other places

[brazen island]

Review after n months is something I'd not want actually.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, other things they might say: What about bonus? Or options? Or, they might test your resolve: we only have X in the budget, or people at your lvel only come in at X.

[brazen island]

At the risk of sounding boastful, the person I messaged put me on the fast track because he knows what I'm worth so I want that to be reflected in the comp. The guy negotiating doesn't really know me.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, the HR person is just a gatekeeper. They don't make the decisions (well, they have some discretion usually)

[brazen island]

Bonus and/or options is totally cool

[fringe sphinx]

I once made a million dollars in options. ||they were worth pennies by the time my restrictions expired||

Luckily I was young. Easy to laugh off.

I'd be a lot more sour now.

[smoky quest]

not gonna happen for tech in the USA

ok, am gonna be an ass about it, but it's still worth learning about it.
It's like saying you don't want to make money because then you have to deal with taxes

[somber chasm]

I attend my university in india and have been struggling with Python. I enrolled in this course because of the AI hype, but now I'm finding it difficult. While I'm comfortable with the basics, delving into advanced Python feels like diving into the deep end without knowing how to swim. I'm genuinely scared and would appreciate a helping hand. It's like I'm in the middle of a stormy sea, desperately trying to stay afloat amidst the waves of complex coding concepts.

[smoky quest]

that's a good excuse. Don't delay it too much as you will get more and more equity as you grow

[smoky quest]

what's the blocker?

[somber chasm]

oops

Object oriented program

[smoky quest]

There is no magic, it's all about practice. So if you have questions about how to leverage OOP, then #software-architecture might be a great place to talk about your doubts.

[somber chasm]

hey

can I add you as friends? actually i am new at discord and i on know how it works and shi

[smoky quest]

I don't have friends. Sorry.
But feel free to ask your questions in the channels so you can get more answers from more friends! We are all friends here

[vapid jay]

Iit bhubaneswar mechanical or dtu cse ?

[hardy flint]

hi, there are different fields to choose from inside development,
like ML, webdev, mobile dev, game dev etc..
how would i know, which one is for me, should i try all? how do i know where to shift and keep my focus

[true harness]

you've never had a conflict with anyone?

[plush summit]

Damn bro wanna talk about it 🤪

[smoky quest]

You say it has never happened or you try to find something adjacent.
With regards to conflict, it does not necessarily mean getting into a fight or having an archnemesis. It can also mean conflict about a decision like a disagreement.

[alpine pivot]

guys im new to buliding projects i want to make a dicord bot maybe

as my aiml project but idk how any resource which can teach me from scratch ?

[fringe sphinx]

" feels like diving into the deep end without knowing how to swim": This is a very normal feeling. See https://www.google.com/search?q=imposter+syndrome+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Flearnprogramming if you don't believe me.. I can't make that feeling go away, but please know that everyone feels this. It's overwhelming, but it's not hard. You just have to trust the process and keep learning.

[fringe sphinx]

Ask over in #python-discussion

[balmy spade]

I like the fact that the first one tells me what you built. If you want to trim space you can drop the 8% magic number.

It doesn't say anything to me. 8% against what? The other value is left to my imagination.

"significantly reduced running costs" would say more. But that's me.

30% more*
*than leading product

It's marketing. It doesn't actually give you facts.

[smoky quest]

First one as it demonstrates how you accomplished it. The runs at 8% of the cost of established products doesn't mean anything though

[lime wave]

how do i make a 3d model interactive so like descriptions pop up when i click certain parts of the model

[smoky quest]

Hi!
It's a great question for #python-discussion

reading your follow up on #career-advice message , that's a bad number as you open the door to questions about TCO, what it means, and the fact that you had to clarify it.
It's simpler to frame it relative to what was the existing like how much you reduced an existing bill or how much % of some quality it has improved

just getting into that discussion means you have already lost

yet, two people have questioned the same thing

I see a lot of people trying to make various claims.

With a less charitable interviewer, they could bait you into a bad spot by digging into how equivalent it is by going into compliance, reliability, scalability, upgrades, documentation, maintenance, etc.

And so my point is that I don't even want to argue these with you. My point is that you should not even put yourself in the position of having to argue about it as there is so much you could say

The comparison here is unfair. The first sentence is a mouthful and not clear

I would attempt to rephrase the first one

around 80%.
People exaggerate a lot on the claims and as such, any random claim is just ignored

If it's too fishy, the candidate gets completely ignored and rejected as well. Remember it's safer to pass on a potentially good candidate than take the chance on someone who might be great

it's a great problem to have and a great forcing function for prioritizing your bullets

[fringe sphinx]

Tbh, I imagine there's something more interesting you could say about why or how you were able to make a diff using PyTorch: the cost savings isn't the interesting part but what technology or reasoning was employed?

Just saying PyTorch is fairly generic

[keen karma]

hey guys this is ponmanoj

in our clg they told about making project suggest a project that not only project it helps to provide value for people and one more thing i am basic in python but i have 6 months left so i am ready to spend time on learning

[smoky quest]

the more your resume sounds like a collection of buzzword, the less likely you are to be taken seriously by competent interviewers.

Note also that this is a great bullet for a data/ml engineer, not so much if you want to focus on the data science part

[fringe sphinx]

What's your question? What project to do?

Based on your posts in #data-science-and-ml , you know your shit. But, that bullet sounds generic where anyone could throw that on their resume. That's my point: you know more than that

[keen karma]

no idea about but i need to check my programing skill

[fringe sphinx]

Practice: write code often and do small projects. You don't get good without doing

[keen karma]

sure

[near ocean]

That would be most companies currently hiring

[little crescent]

hello

[near ocean]

It was a reply to a message now deleted

[brazen island]

Hmm I wasn't able to successfully negotiate the 10-15 % bump I wanted on the offer 🙄

[brazen island]

Do you have a laptop stand?

get one, that's like an easy level up

It doesn't but it's a small detail that makes a difference

I never overpractice for interviews. I just talk and see where it goes

[near ocean]

can you negotiate for other perks?
you could try for a couple more days PTO

[brazen island]

no

Yeah then you may need to practice there

I'd say I'm a generalist too, but I sell it by saying that I'm interested in delivering data projects that aren't just PoCs and that I plug the holes because I have experience in the e2e process

Something bullshitty like that

[dense mesa]

STAR + throw in some metrics should be fine, make sure to practice it so it isn't unnatural

[strong lava]

!rule paid ad <@&831776746206265384>

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[azure heart]

!ban 632845771640799232 you've been previously warned about not advertising here

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @sand solar permanently.

[pearl hornet]

hey, somebody can help me in dm ? i want to install a script but i have issues with python, "pip install not recognized" etc...

(i have python)i dont understand anything at this

[umbral frigate]

!rule topic - Basically, there is #python-discussion and #1035199133436354600 available for you to ask in. This is not the place to ask questions.

[inner wren]

Rules

7. Keep discussions relevant to the channel topic. Each channel's description tells you the topic.

[pearl hornet]

idc fr

i said come dm
buy life incel who think is moderator lol

[umbral frigate]

<@&831776746206265384>

[fringe pine]

What's going on here?

[hexed salmon]

where can i ask quick questions about python instead of making a whole post

[fringe pine]

You could post in #python-discussion or one of the topical channels. But feel free to make a post in #1035199133436354600 too, even if it's a small question.

[umbral frigate]

Disregard for the rules

[fringe pine]

This isn't the right channel to be asking for help with python, and people are usually reluctant to offer help via DMs. I recommend posting your question in #1035199133436354600. In the future, please don't insult other members for pointing out the rules; this may result in your removal from the server.

[vapid jay]

hellooo

[west nest]

broo im new to python

tooo new to python

[lethal mirage]

me too

[west nest]

oh nice

i just cmpleted some boolean values

[lethal mirage]

im new sooo i cant even do while loops properly

[west nest]

ooo

[lethal mirage]

u indian?

[west nest]

accept my fq

[nova glade]

Hello everyone i like to hop in here before u continue on my pythin studies.

so does any one want to talk about what career they want in python?

[fringe sphinx]

What career do you want?

[dense mesa]

What is CAR?

[indigo locust]

Is there a place to recruit inside the cluster?

[true harness]

ah, so context is like what was happening and what you had to do?

[dense mesa]

I think any general structure of:

1. I was asked to do X
2. I did Y
3. Z happened
4. I learned this
5. In future I would do that

Should be fine for most initial interviews

You shouldn't structure it that strictly, it'll sound weird

Blockers, old code, someone is on vacation, team politics, to name a few

You can't always do exactly the task that was asked

[brazen island]

Today's last interview was a bit annoying. You know the kind, very broad / vague questions but they're looking for very specific answers

[dense mesa]

What I'm saying won't make sense with having worked in an office/corporate/etc environment

You may be reading too much into the framework itself, rather than what the framework is aiming to achieve

[brazen island]

I'm gonna take it but I'm still rounding up other interviews out of curiosity

I did like 3 today. One actually asked me if I were open to expedite it when I told her I had an offer out of transparency.

Either way, I think there's a lot of intangibles in taking the offer I'm going to take (even tho it's less ML, more engineering)

Yeah, I still think the comp package they're proposing is BS but I'm at most 5-10 % off of what I'd want to that's not going to be a dealbreaker

The growth opportunities look a lot better there

oh shit, I did pass the technical interview for the machine learning engineer position. Only a formality (HR screen) was left, oh well

[pastel thunder]

@white relic can I dm please? need an advice

[summer roost]

The Situation explains what the problem was, the Task is what you were doing to resolve that problem.

The letter that makes the acronym pronounceable, heh

Yeah, T and A are probably the same, or T is an overview of the overall task and A is a detail about one specific piece

[fringe sphinx]

Isn't T more about the goal, not what you did?

I feel more that S and T are more or less the same.

Like, "Stuff is slow (S). Make it faster (T). Implement a MP worker (A). Stuff was 10x faster (R)"

[summer roost]

I think T and A are only really different if the thing you were asked to do turned out to be impossible, or a bad idea.

[sacred sequoia]

How do I get a job?, I'm good with alot of stuff like AI, algorithms, DS, Data processing and analyst etc.

I'm a minor btw

[near ocean]

you go online to job boards like linkedin and apply to the ones that look good

[sacred sequoia]

And what can I expect as an absolute beginner in jobs(I'm talkiñg about salary)

This is like my 2nd ever job if everything works out fine

[fringe sphinx]

How minor is minor? Different countries/regions have different rules about employing minors.

[lunar coral]

im bad at math and problem solving in general, although it does interest me apart from the fact that i loose hope when i cant understand simple stuff sometimes. is there hope for me and should i invest more in coding or reevaluate decisions.

[sacred sequoia]

17 is still considered as a minor

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, then there's many parts of your question:

Oh, wait, what country?

[sacred sequoia]

India

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, then I'll not answer that part... I have zero clue about india.

[lunar coral]

they can't work before 18 in India

[sacred sequoia]

Not even as an intern?

I just don't wanna be unemployed

[fringe sphinx]

But, in terms of socializing: just accept that you're the same as the rest of us. Everyone has their struggles. My usual advice is something like: you can't get good at something without doing it.. this is true with socializing. You'll find your village (people who you get along with), Many of us did in University or even later.

[lunar coral]

they can work in an unorganized sector but officially no since they're a minor

[sacred sequoia]

Are there no workarounds for this??

[fringe sphinx]

"bad at math" usually means: "bad at math class", and being good at math is not critical to being an excellent programmer.

[lunar coral]

you can pretty much do anything off the record but officially no

[sacred sequoia]

I'm good with people of my age, but I don't know two shits about the way adults think. I heard corporate politics is tough

[lunar coral]

that makes sense

[kindred oyster]

you dont need math , but you do need to have a sense for solving problems

[fringe sphinx]

Also, I think you might be feeling the dreaded imposter syndrome. You're in good company: https://www.google.com/search?q=imposter+syndrome+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Flearnprogramming

[lunar coral]

don't think about it too much, corporate politics revolve around not making your bosses look ugly whatsoever and you're good.

[fringe sphinx]

That seems completely normal to me. And "corporate politics" isn't a singular thing... there are many types of companies, jobs and careers.

[fringe sphinx]

Problem solving is also a skill: something that you practice and develop. Think of it as like skills in a video game: we all start off, perhaps, with different innate strengths... and we invest in growing skills that we care about and level up.

[sacred sequoia]

Well thanks, this seems to have solved some anxiety.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't compare yourself to the outliers (the amazing people who post amazing content/etc who are probably 90% fake). Just remember that the average person is, well, average. And you can do better than average.

[sacred sequoia]

Thanks for the encouragement 😁, I'll try my best to not be unemployed

[fringe sphinx]

Just practice, and hang out in #python-discussion . You'll learn something new every day there.

[dense mesa]

Dude you don't need to time it 😅

[deft herald]

I think you're thinking way too hard about this

Answers to what?

Ok

Is that the correct time to thank them for the opportunity? Doesn't seem very natural to me

[molten parcel]

@turbid bobcat arab?

[fringe sphinx]

I'd say that's probably too much information to convey in a single introduction. Simple. One message. "Hi, I'm Lisan, and I'm the Al Gayib you've been waiting for."

[empty cave]

where can i send a github repo for a code review?

[peak halo]

#1035199133436354600
you might point people to specific parts that you want to see reviewed.

[shrewd parrot]

do cover letter matter in job applications?

[peak halo]

from what I understand, it's only sometimes important for very senior positions.

[shrewd parrot]

so like i should use one genric everywher or customize based on the job?

[peak halo]

if you're applying for junior positions, I wouldn't even write one.

[shrewd parrot]

and does ATS matter or should i go with a basic word cv?

[peak halo]

I'm not as sure about that. Most of the jobs I applied to required you to copy and paste data from the resume into a form.

[untold scarab]

Komut formatı hatalı. Doğru format: .gir kanalID TokenSayısı aktivite veya .çık kanalID

[peak halo]

hello, we only allow English here

!ban 797503892492779535 selfbot

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @untold scarab permanently.

[plush summit]

why perm lol

[peak halo]

because we always permaban selfbots

[plush summit]

oh it is a bot?

[peak halo]

they were saying "Command format is incorrect. Correct format: .enter channelID TokenNumber activity or .exit channelID" which indicates that they were a poorly-written selfbot

[molten parcel]

So if i say "Command format is incorrect. Correct format: .enter channelID TokenNumber activity or .exit channelID" will indicates that i am a poorly-written selfbot?

[peak halo]

if you were to say it repeatedly and for no particular reason, the mods would reasonably conclude that you are self-botting, yes.

[molten parcel]

Fair enough mate

[torpid birch]

Anyone has an CV example/template for EU based jobs?

[silent wolf]

@smoky quest there is one more even easier path of resistance

[obsidian matrix]

Guys, do you see things getting better for entry positions anytime soon?

I've been looking for an entry position for like a year now and i can't even find job positions, like 95% of the jobs in here are for interships (which i can't do anymore), the other ones requires tons of experience, which i don't have yet

[fringe sphinx]

Where is 'here'?

[brazen island]

I just used templates on Canva because honestly, those are the templates I also see circulating on LinkedIn

[obsidian matrix]

Brazil. Yeah, probrably not the greatest economy right now

[smoky quest]

ok

[shell flume]

niether is germany.. nor china.. nor the USA

[obsidian matrix]

:/

[torpid birch]

i see, i will go back to those templates then and try my luck, thx

[brazen island]

Also depends where you are in Europe. A lot of variance there. Adding a picture on your CV is quite normal, maybe even recommended where I live. I'd google it for your country

[torpid birch]

Yep i think that is one of the things i am missing currently

[smoky quest]

1. is behavioral

make sure also you still feel natural.
The main thing is to do a few interviews so you can naturally see patterns, but not be overly scripted

you are far more prepared than I ever was

I do 4-5 leetcodes before I start all the interviews (to get back on the saddle)... and that's it

everything else is YOLO

that makes me thing there might be something else at play

You have some great experience and a lot of things to talk about.
You are also aware of how/when/what value to communicate

technical leadership

might be it

Not: gosh I hate that timer

Sure. Maybe you were rambling too

it feels like your overpreparation is just a band aid for interviews, not fixing your rambling

I know what I am doing too 🕶️

nevermind, I am jesting.

But it's like trying to memorize all the leetcode questions instead of learning DSA.
Same thing here. Your goal should be able to take any question and not ramble, rather than prepare for all possible interview steps

To do so, a common advice is to think about it in terms of "someone is asking about X, then what is the shortest path of required knowledge and their dependencies to get there?"

either way, it's part of the communication skills.
Another broken analogy is taking the geeks from sci-fi series/movies as example. They all talk about how they all need to get the quantum gyroscopic neural engine to adjust its topology when the hero is only asking "how long before we can fly again?"

It's a common issue with engineers trying to transition to senior level.

(even senior engineers still struggle with it)

I wouldn't overthink it, but the ghosting probably means they preferred the other dude

might be worth doing more mock interviews

and doing exercises where your friend ask you random questions and you try to answer them without rambling

you may also benefit from https://www.amazon.com/Communication-Engineers-developers-communicators-productivity-ebook/dp/B08W8MJNF8

I would also be concerned that you overprepare for the interview, succeed, but then have issues into your job because you didn't fix the root cause

Here is the deal.

Note: you are gonna have to wait the 20 s slow mode

The thing that makes someone strong for an entry level engineer, is not what make them strong for a mid level engineer, which is not what make them strong for a senior level, which is not what make them strong for a staff/principal/distinguished engineer

[true hatch]

Is a chemistry degree good for a data scientist job?

[smoky quest]

The higher level, the more communication and leadership will become important

[smoky quest]

It's like a distance function. The further the distance between your degree and your goal, the less applicable it becomes

it's always a good exercise, albeit not always easy

plus it's never easy to remember what you did more than two weeks ago

one problem at a time
Also it won't hamper your chances at finding a job

[dapper zinc]

Hi there.

I want to be a devops, any suggest for what library to study in python?

[gritty rivet]

https://github.com/tuladhar/Python-for-SysAdmin

https://roadmap.sh/devops

[vapid jay]

Hi

Does this look good on a resume:

Automate Project

Objective: Developed an all-encompassing application as a Lead Backend Developer to revolutionize "client-name" internal processes by streamlining workflow for monitoring rate estimates and managing pre-approvals, enhancing document management, and improving user access control.

Key Contributions:

Workflow Optimization: Enhanced the efficiency of creating, submitting, and managing pre-approvals and rate estimates.
Document Management: Streamlined document accessibility and status updates, promoting a paperless environment.
User Experience: Fostered a unified user experience through integration with "client-name" applications and external services.
Technological Integration: Leveraged OCR technology to minimize manual data entry errors, increasing process accuracy.
Monitoring and Analysis: Utilized Sentry and Hotjar integrations for proactive system monitoring and user interaction analysis.
User Interface: Simplified the user interface for ease of use while maintaining high standards of data integrity and security.
Technologies Used: Node.js, Python, React, FastAPI, OCR, Sentry, Hotjar.

Responsibilities:

Engineered Python APIs as the Lead Backend Developer.
Developed database design and schemas.
Managed CI/CD pipeline.
Deployed the application to a Kubernetes workload ensuring scalability and security.
Ensured the application was accessible only from within the VPC, maintaining internal-only access.
Led the backend team to drive the application to completion and collaborated with the frontend team for seamless integration.
Conducted and managed QA sessions with the client, incorporating feedback and providing recommendations to meet business requirements.
Iterated on the application to ensure client satisfaction and compliance with business needs.

[fringe sphinx]

Reads like gpt wrote that

[vapid jay]

It did. I wrote it first, but I asked ChatGPT to make it ATS friendly

I am hoping once the ATS passes I get the interview and I can showcase my experience to the prospective employer.

God damn this job market is so competitive.

[vapid jay]

Is this good or bad? I can see this being both depending on the interviewer.

[steel relic]

hyy

[vapid jay]

Hello Yoda

[fringe sphinx]

Dad speech: In a competitive job market, you don't want to half-ass things. And, relying on GPT to write something is half-assing it.

[peak halo]

!otn a billybobby's dad speeches

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: Added billybobby’s-dad-speeches to the names list.

[sleek charm]

Accidently uploaded this gif in the "upload files" section of my apprenticeship application. I already sent it off

Idk if I'm screwed smh

[sour iron]

Forget about it and move on with life

[sleek charm]

Ye I'll try to

[fringe sphinx]

At least it's SFW.

[true hatch]

The GIF 🔥 tho

[vapid jay]

Maybe not relying on GPT in any market is a good idea

[karmic fog]

yo guys, fuck coding i fucking suck ass at coding i cant understand shits for fuck

[wispy cipher]

Is $95,000 for 1.8 yoe good?

[fringe sphinx]

Salary questions are usually unanswerable. I'll answer in 'senior engineer speak': it depends

[karmic fog]

fucking fuck shit why am i born so bitch when will my dream come true

want to grow up and be a programmer i said

[wispy cipher]

how would you quantify if its good

[karmic fog]

how the fuck do people even learn to understand this shit

[fringe sphinx]

If its your best available option

[kindred oyster]

by chilling the fuck down

[upbeat monolith]

where are you from

[karmic fog]

china

[kindred oyster]

start with small steps

if you dont undersatnd computers , learning about them would be a good starting point

[wispy cipher]

Thoughts on always looking for new opportunities?

[grave knot]

I went from staff engineer to contractor engineer to SDET as needed but now SDET has been a dark mark on my resume.
I will try and pick up a 6th? Programming language and get back to staff engineer.

[upbeat monolith]

which place

[grave knot]

So don't do SDET (automated testing) unless you are bad at engineering or very desperate.

[fringe sphinx]

Always network. Invest in your personal life. Opportunities will happen.

[karmic fog]

lets say i want to learn about AI and neural network, where do i start, everything is confusing as shit, they tell you all that shit but where exactly do you write code and after that what the fuck do you do with what you wrote, where to run, why is there pycharm when there is VS code studio which one do i use, why is there numpy and why cant i just code on one thing what the fuck

[fringe sphinx]

Ahhh, yes. It is hard to get started. We all suffered through imposter syndrome.

[wispy cipher]

this 'why is there pycharm when there is VS code studio which one do i use' is an entry question. Maybe learn the basics before going into AI?

[fringe sphinx]

There's a reason why college graduates are still considered 'junior engineers', even after 4 years

[karmic fog]

i just want to understand it but it is like my brain cells are being blocked by something it just wont understand it it wont go in

[fringe sphinx]

As they say in the military: embrace the suck and stop complaining.

[upbeat monolith]

you are too confuse

[grave knot]

It is a tool, learn to use what is simple and then add more understanding around that.

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, don't worry about it. This is normal. Some stuff will make sense, others won't. When something doesn't, ask in #python-discussion

And just get used to not knowing things. That's your life for the next few years.

[karmic fog]

sorry for the agressive rant but holy shit this is really frustrating

[wispy cipher]

@fringe sphinx Question, how would you deal with non technical leadership that tries to push implementation details and architectures? Would you consider this bad management?

[fringe sphinx]

Here, read this: https://www.google.com/search?q=imposter+syndrome+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Flearnprogramming

[fringe sphinx]

It's an age old battle about what makes a good requirement, etc. People have a hard time expressing a true business requirement vs a specification, especially the more technically they are (or used to be).

[karmic fog]

does watching python 12 hours video work

[fringe sphinx]

I'd consider this normal. Your goal is to earn a seat at the table: to embrace it, and 'AND' instead of 'BUT' their ideas

[karmic fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHEtdqhLK8&t=2578s does this actually help, is this the best way to learn

[fringe sphinx]

Do you get good at tennis by watching it?

[karmic fog]

but at the end of the day all im doing there is just rewriting what the guy said, eh even said copy what he wrote if you want

[fringe sphinx]

Do you get good at tennis by copying someone's moves?

[karmic fog]

it isnt like learning something physically because it is just typing what is there so how exactly do i even get good at coding, can i get good just by understand what the fucntions do

[fringe sphinx]

Can you get good at piano by watching it? How about good at calculus without doing problems?

[kindred oyster]

what to type is the part to learn

[wispy cipher]

An idea that came up recently from management is they wanted to store the same data across multiple databases. Not just databases but multiple database vendors as well. Felt like pulling teeth telling them why this is bad. How would you handle something like this?

[fringe sphinx]

Coding, nor Uni level math, is not a memorization exercise. It's not about remember things. It's about reasoning and apply and solving.

[karmic fog]

the demotivation comes when you realize that most of the things you code can just be copied from somewhere to run and is better than yours anyway so why waste time writting

[fringe sphinx]

Case studies, examples, etc. I'd find articles or practices and appeal to authority.

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, when you're a beginner, you do beginner things. Embrace the suck.

[kindred oyster]

its like doing math
there are loads and loads of math solutions online
does that mean doing math is pointless ?

[wispy cipher]

I do this and they go , "well im thinking more with my business and data knowledge" and deny best practices. Its very frustrating

[karmic fog]

good point, you unblocked by brain cells a little bit there

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I feel you. I'd still find a way to AND them and redirect

[wispy cipher]

how do you feel about asking them questions when they go over things at a high level till they see the gaps in there knowledge? Is that good?

[karmic fog]

i dont know how my life will end up like in the next 4 years, i dont have any other dreams

[fringe sphinx]

Like, that's a great idea boss, AWS has a tool to make data management easier so we can coordinate this stuff. Let's start there at phase 1

[fringe sphinx]

Chance favors the prepared mind - Pasteur

[kindred oyster]

no one knows what their life would be like in 4 years for sure

[karmic fog]

i dont want to work at stupid company doing dumb shit

[fringe sphinx]

Sometimes breaking the task down to milestones can be enlightening, and give a chance to redirect.

[fringe sphinx]

Then don't?

[kindred oyster]

"dumb shit" is usually translated to "stuff that you dont like "

so just avoid that stuff and focus on what you like to do and progress in that direction ?

[karmic fog]

that is only if i can raech my dream

[fringe sphinx]

A degree doesn't mean you have to do 1 specific job.

[fringe sphinx]

The dream being?

[karmic fog]

programmer

[kindred oyster]

how old are you rn ? are you in school ?

[karmic fog]

now thats a hurtful qestion to ask

usually i wouldve said yes i am still in school so I still have time ? but nah im not even in school anymore

[kindred oyster]

i think its a reasonable question to ask if you want to give some meaningful advice.

usually career advice depends on the current situation you are in

[fringe sphinx]

If you're in middle school vs high school vs uni vs graduated, the answer is very different

[karmic fog]

im 1 year late into university doing nothing useful at home

[kindred oyster]

what degree are you pursuing ?

[karmic fog]

i havent even decide for sure what to study

[kindred oyster]

but you are in uni ? or not yet ?

[fringe sphinx]

Do you know what percentage of Uni students finish in 4 years?

[karmic fog]

not yet even after 1 year late

[karmic fog]

i dont know that

[kindred oyster]

and , when do you think you would be able to join a uni ? are you taking a gap year to prepare for an entrance exam of some sort ?

[fringe sphinx]

Less than 50%. For real.

[karmic fog]

yes i took a gap year just to chill for nothing, was fun the first 3 months but then it got miserable after that

[fringe sphinx]

Only half of US college students finish within 4 years of starting. You're not behind, you're average.

[kindred oyster]

what is the next plan ? one more gap year or join whichever uni you can get into ?

[karmic fog]

might be going to one on september

[karmic fog]

man

[kindred oyster]

okay cool

and you are sure you want to do programming, correct?

[fringe sphinx]

My advice; stop worrying and just start programming. It will suck. It will be hard. You will think it's impossible. But in 2-3 months it'll come together.

[karmic fog]

that is what i find the most interested at least

im not into doctors hospital, math or whatever law business

[kindred oyster]

then go for a CS degree

[karmic fog]

im not a social person so i cant do a lot of things

[kindred oyster]

and since you have free time at hand for now , you can get into programming as suggested above

pick something that seems cool and fun to you, and start learning it

[fringe sphinx]

Also; learning programming doesn't mean it has to be your job.

[karmic fog]

im not sure if that python 12 hours youtube video will actually help or a waste of time

[kindred oyster]

it would help to some extent
but there are much better options

[fringe sphinx]

If you really want to learn, go to #python-discussion . Read our resources page, and pick a short book.

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

And whenever you get stuck, ask a question in pydis

[karmic fog]

i guess book do help, i never read books for real ever in my life

wasted my whole life not reading and consuming anything

i cant keep using being young as an excuse anymore

it hits when you aren't young

playing games too much is probly one of the reason i still suck ass like this in life

they surely were fun but i regret investing any time at all into them, couldve gone outside more if i didnt get into games

what a shame im born in an era where i get access to those things so easily

[fringe sphinx]

Dad time: today is the first day of the rest of your life. Quit complaining. You haven't done anything unexpected or harmful, just stop blaming other things and take a step forward every day

So right now: pick an ebook or short tutorial . If you want us to pick, we'll pick.

Then, complete chapter 1 and ask questions in #python-discussion . When you understand all of chapter 1, reward yourself with some video game time.

It all worked out fine for me.

[fringe sphinx]

And, you didn't read this link #career-advice message

[drowsy ridge]

Hello, is anyone pursuing phd or pursued?

[outer granite]

Can Data Analyst be considered a junior position to Data Scientist?

[pastel thunder]

I notice Data Scientist title is rare at bachelor level (In india)
Data Analyst is pretty common

[outer granite]

You mean undergraduate degrees in Data Science?

[pastel thunder]

I mean data scientist usually are Master/phd guys or have multiple years of exp.

Anyways exceptions are always there, it depends on individual skills

Indirectly Data Analyst position seems relatively more suited to less experienced candidates. (Based on my limited observations, in India)

[outer granite]

Here in Pakistan, there are barely any positions for Data Scientists while there are ample of opportunities for Backend developers.

[strong viper]

Can someone tell me about the opportunity as the data analyst?

[tidal cairn]

What do you guys honestly think of the job market right now for IT or specifically cybersecurity? I hear there's a need for jobs within cybersecurity but they're more experienced roles and there's an abundance of noobs right now. How do you think the job market would look in the future and what jobs do you think are going to be most necessary?

[ripe bramble]

what are some general internships that i should pursue in the us? i study math and i have quite a limited knowledge of python and programming in general(but its changing very soon, learning matlab sql and more programming fundamentals in the fall). I have a few simple projects like an ant simulation that ive completed but nothing super specific for any of the jobs that do exist. ie: nothing with django flask javascript or whatever the industry uses.

I think its also useful to mention my interest in data science and statistics, so I started the data camp course for associate data scientist this summer. any thoughts/suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks

[fringe sphinx]

I think the market has largely stabilized after the layoffs and recession fears from last year. I think tech opportunities and careers will continue to grow, especially for people who excel and work hard.

[fringe sphinx]

But fear of a sudden recession has subsided

So yah, it'll mean growth is slower, but that's different than panicking

The idea is that higher interest rates slow inflation, and inflation is more dangerous because it makes your money worth less

Not my expertise, all I see is less panic

[smoky quest]

It just means less free money and companies need better finances.
But the waves of lay off have passed. Now they will hire based on more reasonable growth.

That said, I keep hearing a lot of wait-and-see based on the upcoming presidential election in the USA

[smoky quest]

I assure you that it does have effect on funding, hiring and planned growth across all the tech companies

it's a big question mark about how shitty things can get

If it does have effect on funding, hiring and planned growth across all the tech companies, is it just a perception?

It's not about ideology. It's about the impact on markets and growth

[pseudo spire]

ik it might be a recurrent question here, but i want to know some sources where i can apply for python projects where I'll be paid, and though money need not be much, im looking for good projects where i learn decent stuff.
P.S. i have about 5 years of experience with python (Selenium, numpy, pandas, matplotlib, Tkinter (CTk included), mysql connectors, sockets, other backend libraries)

[smoky quest]

That uncertainty is having an impact in the decisions made today.

Besides that, I would argue that one side has more demonstrated brain power to make better decisions than the other

• more people died than it needed to because of it
• there was nepotism at play in terms of things "seized"

you get conspiracies that people actually believe as well. Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

no. It means that more people died than it needed to because of stupid shit that could have been avoided

You are trying to establish a false equivalence here

these things take time and have long lasting effect.
You see religious and health liberties being eroded today because of what was decided during the last presidency.

That said, it going pretty far from careers

you don't have to believe me. I am just stating what I see in the tech circles

Maybe we don't talk and interact with the same circle of VCs

I know. I am only a 21 years old recruiter at a tech company

Regardless of the context, keep in mind their job is to sell you the dream.

one step at a time. It's no different from you selling them the lisan dream

[summer roost]

Lining up financing is easiest when the medium to long term regulatory environment is predictable. That's the mechanism. The reason to wait and see today is that as of today, it's a ~50/50 toss up whether a year from now we'll see more restrictions on emissions or less, more restrictions on social media companies or less, more taxes on large companies or less, etc. After November, things get much more predictable than they are today, and the markets dislike surprises

[timid nova]

Hi guys, I'm wanting someone to talk and give me some advice/guidance about freelancing, anybody awake?

[timid nova]

Good morning😅

[blazing onyx]

What are the best and indemand IT jobs to look for in next 5-10 years

[minor gorge]

Hey

I decided to switch my career in to Web development i know HTML CSS MySQL but still I haven't made any projects how i can where i can find

[fringe sphinx]

!Kin is one place

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[minor gorge]

Thanks

[balmy turtle]

Hey guys I need some advice please. I'm lost. I've been coding Python in animation/vfx for over a decade and finally my turn has come to get laid off. I worked mainly with PyQt/PySide which is lol for job searching outside this industry. Other things I know are SQL, a bit of AWS (setting up images for render farm) and just finished my cert in data science. I have no idea where to go from here and what kind of other jobs are out there.

[vapid jay]

hey how are you bro

[tropic field]

Hey anyone interested in Quantum Computing plz dm me

[fringe sphinx]

Short answer is: all you can do is, prepare the best resume you can, have it reviewed (here if you like, remove personal info), and interview anywhere that'll let you.

[fringe sphinx]

It's easier to give advice when looking at an actual resume, because a lot depends

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting here, nor is it likely to get any interest. There are job boards and other site where you can post a full job or opportunity: but not here

[vapid jay]

its stessful man

[pastel thunder]

For people in us,
When if comes to top tech companies, how easy do you find to land an interview?

[fringe sphinx]

"top tech companies" by definition will be the hardest, especially if you're talking about FAANG. I don't know first hand, but of course it's going to be incredibly hard to even get your resume past the screen.

Good thing the tech industry is much bigger than FAANG.

[balmy spade]

Its a funny thing. I've interacted with thousands of people who have worked all over the place in all industries. There's always someone who doesn't like where they work and are quick to tell others about it.

[pastel thunder]

what makes certain people get interviews and certain people not get it?
If it comes down to your qualifications, doesnt that also mean

1. DSA is actually necessary
2. Univ from where you graduate matters a lot

although we always discuss how these are good to have but not necessary

[fringe sphinx]

For jobs with thousands of applicants, luck is a factor. Whatever mood the reviewer was in that day, etc.

[balmy spade]

The reputation is biased toward who you've listened to more. That's my point. There are devs who say bad things about Amazon. There are also devs who say great things about Amazon. That is true for any company.

I believe that we agree reputation is word of mouth.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, I've heard similar stories about google. I think the reality is: regardless of company size, you work in a small team. And that team might be good or bad.

[vapid jay]

like what

[smoky quest]

it does

A place where engineers go to retire and where promos are driven by shortsighted objectives

it's also far from the heydays where coming from google meant something

[fair token]

How about coming from Oracle

[smoky quest]

As a rule, focus on your 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 , not the name of the company.
Having lunch at the Apple cafeteria won't make you an expert in your field

[fair token]

I can make a library management system on c++

[smoky quest]

you may

[lapis pewter]

boysssssssssss i almost finished my bot so i can finally realise it soon ||its carl bot flantic and xenon in one FOR FREE|| im so happy today

wrong server sorry

[frozen lava]

anybody knows whats the most you can get out of being a freelancer?

[fringe sphinx]

Money and experience?

[frozen lava]

mid level experience

[fair token]

Is that enough for working at Nvidia?

[smoky quest]

Why nvidia specifically?
Note also that nvidia has many jobs, from the marketing person who will send newsletters, to the tech writer who writes doc, to the hw engineer who will work on the GPUs, etc.

At the end of the day, look at it as a the jaccard distance between the 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 by your project(s) and the required skills by the role

[smoky quest]

And in terms of jobs, it still about the education, experience and projects to help you support your skills

As such, a degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[fair token]

Because Nvidia’s carrying the IT field nowadays, any CV from having worked there on any section could call attention for future better job opportunities don’t you think so?

[smoky quest]

It's not a strategy. It's as good as saying your uncle works there.
Focus on your skills

[fair token]

Would you believe if I told you there’s IT graduates (tecnologías de la información) who can’t code?

[smoky quest]

And?

[fair token]

IT graduates who can’t code…. Like mechanics who can’t drive 🙃

[smoky quest]

IT's focus is not on coding.
But what's the point?

[brave swallow]

i got multiple job offers all remote developer work, should i go for the fixed time or flextime? i know the basic pros and cons of each other, this is going to be my first ever job since im a fresh grad

theres a significant difference between salaries for flextime and fixed time flextime offers more

[fair token]

Just curious data

[fair token]

Y’all are getting jobs?

[smoky quest]

Not really.
It's just that things are not binary. Similarly, you have excellent and terrible engineers from the same cohort.
In the end, correlation is not causation

[fair token]

What’s your job/ what do you work in?

[smoky quest]

sounds like a personal choice based on your needs what you value

[brave swallow]

after trying my best i got a few JOs. i asked my brother for advice, long story short he said the flextime will come with more stress and if i want to take it easy the fixed time should be my option and vice versa

[smoky quest]

am a 21 years old recruiter at a tech startup

[fair token]

True that

[brave swallow]

still can't come up with a dicision even after knowing their differences and my needs

[fair token]

What do recruiters look for on interns? Like let’s say I’m looking for a 5-6 hours daily internship on any company, seeking for a software developer / database related position, what could help me get that intern? With you being a recruiter what do you consider or are told to consider as attributes a prominent hired intern should have

[brave swallow]

my biggest concern is that the flextime offer is a startup that has been for only 3 years so they might not have the same number of developers compared to the fixed time, so i might not be able to ask for technical questions much and take more stress and thats prolly the reason why its significantly higher offer

[smoky quest]

Then, you could think about:

• Equity - how much equity and do you believe in its growth
• The team - enjoying people you work with is a big difference
• Are you going to work on cool things?
• What about career growth?

[smoky quest]

Interns are more about growth potential than experience (since they have none by definition).
So that means working on a degree and having some cool stuff

[brave swallow]

equity - flextime
team - fixed time (more devs)
working on things - [ERP engineering on flextime] [web dev on fixed time] - my current skill is in web development but i really have no problem if i transition to erp dev
career growth - flextime since it offers more and changing to my next company that means my base salary would be relatively higher

[frozen lava]

is it ok if you can disclose how much you get paid in the startup company?

[brittle token]

cool innit

[brave swallow]

the only reason im going to choose the fixed time over flextime is because i dont want to think about work after end of work schedule because on flex time i might burnout

[fair token]

Talking seriously, I was thinking on applying for software developer intern at oracle, been working on a face recognition system, a YouTube downloaded extension and an app of any kind for the phone, apart from solving at least 50 leetcode problems (without copying cose ofc) is that enough?

[brittle token]

guys is knowing just python enough to land a job?

[brave swallow]

i say go for it

[smoky quest]

sure, you can disclose how much you get paid

[brave swallow]

absolutely but be proficient as much as possible, enough to ace an interview

[brittle token]

is there any other language thats similar to python that can help land a job?

[smoky quest]

• equity means shares or options given to you over time
• team - I fail to see the relationship with flex time. Do you vibe with your team mates?
• career growth is more about your growth inside the company, not having time to prepare for other interviews

[brave swallow]

really any languages but python will give me more flexibility as many company hires python developers

[fair token]

I mean I’m a public university student competing against private uní fuckers who are taught better and more complex stuff so ig I gotta be on the level

[smoky quest]

That would fits in the average.
Each internship ad gets thousands of applicants in a matter of a week. Oracle is surely even worse than that. So imagine that all your school applies to the same internship than you and that will give you an idea of your competition. And then the question becomes: why would they call you back over any of your school mate?

[fair token]

Like google who just fired all of em

[brave swallow]

first time learning developers get equity, are benefits included in this equity or not? sorry im new to this

[frozen lava]

6.89 a year (steam credit)

[brittle token]

LOL

[smoky quest]

benefits are not equity.
Receiving equity is a standard thing in the USA

[brave swallow]

ahh im in asia

[brittle token]

w mans

do yall recommend studying comp sci or software engineering?

[brave swallow]

ill have to ask the hr regarding how many developers their flextime company have but i can say that team and career growth should go for the fixed time company

[brave swallow]

theres no software engineering course

[fair token]

A teacher said American companies value even more English proficiency, I myself made C1 on toefl and that same teacher said: “I’m pretty sure for interns these kind of companies appreciate more your English level than your coding skills themselves, they might teach you all you need to learn as long as your English’s good” (live in Mexico)

[brave swallow]

@smoky quest ahh yes i almost forgot the job title for the flextime is jr software engineer and for the fixed time its software dev so i understand the flextime comes with more responsibility

[smoky quest]

yeah, for career growth that could mean making sure you have mentorship, you have frequent feedback so you can learn and adjust, and space/opportunity to go up in titles

[brittle token]

ye, i did some comp sci course and just finished the exam a few days ago, hope i get a high grade cuz i defo cooked there, if yes, ill have some head start in studying computer science(like ill have to study less).

[smoky quest]

Depends where you are.
If you are in the depth of Montana, sure.
If you are in a big city, chances are your team will be international with people with many accents and background. So it's less about having a perfect american accent and more about "can people understand you and can you understand people"

[brave swallow]

yeah its fixedtime. And theres a flaw in the contract for the flextime, theres this the company can change my job title without prior notice if i am not fit for the role along with salary

[smoky quest]

any company can and will do that

[fair token]

Im sure mine is better than average tho, started learning at 12 and I’m currently 19 so

[brave swallow]

so its standard?

[smoky quest]

yeah. That's why people keep memeing on safe government jobs 😉

[brittle token]

are yall like actually employed irl?

[brave swallow]

if you can type english really good then becoming fluent in it isn't really that hard, just keep speaking english everyday and it'll take no time to become fluent

[smoky quest]

and watch movies/tv in english

[brave swallow]

career growth on government sector is like snail

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're mistaken about the course differences. The real differentiator is excellence, and that's not 'taught': that's what you do with the education and experience you gain.

[brave swallow]

theres no software engineering perhaps you mean computer engineering? (im taking about college courses not job title)

[fringe sphinx]

They eliminated a team of a dozen people in an organization with 100k people. Not a real bellwether

[fair token]

What’s your job?

[fringe sphinx]

I wear a lot of hats, but I just say I'm a data engineer to keep it simple.

[fair token]

Just a joke tho

[brittle token]

if i search well, i will find it eventually

[fringe sphinx]

Many Uni's do have a SWE degree

(Less common than CS and CE of course)

[fair token]

In how many programming languages do you think you’re able to solve a Fibonacci sequence?

[brittle token]

im gonna study comp sci but i dont wanna be a scientist, i wanna develop shit and work in high tech

[opal lynx]

;-;

[brave swallow]

didn't know its a thing we dont have that on our countrytotally my fault

[brittle token]

lool i probably said smth so stupid

[fair token]

That’s literally what you’ll do if you study comp science, you won’t be a scientist you’ll develop shit

[brittle token]

i regret saying that😭

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, c, c++, Java, Python, Fortran, bash, batch perhaps, sql, c#, powershell. I'd probably think of a few more, it's not a hard problem.

[brave swallow]

just searched it and realized SE is actually a college course on some countries, would be nice if we have that on our country as well but i already graduated :V

[brittle token]

but heres a y=cos(x) function in python!

[brave swallow]

every language that can run and compile

[fair token]

Nah it’s okay dude you’re just confused on the totally incredibly vastly huge world of computer science, it’s up to you, you could focus on building hardware like nvidia or Ryzen, or software like Tata and Microsoft, it’s up to your like but studying computer science will be your intro, don’t be overwhelmed

[fringe sphinx]

It's usually just a few courses different than CS, from what I've seen

[brittle token]

i mean, im 15 rn and got a long road left to go, and Im already doing comp sci university courses

[brave swallow]

i see no x and y axis, this might be a x = cosy but rotated

[brittle token]

i could add it, wait ima do it rn in a sec

[brave swallow]

my advice would be comp sci, SE, or comp eng all over IT

IT is good but applicants who graduated on those 3 degrees are prioritized more over IT

[fair token]

What do you want to do? Like realistically what do you see yourself doing?

[brittle token]

developing apps or games, i already have an itch.io store with a few games in there that i made using pygame

thats why im also looking at software engineering

but im not sure if its worth it since i already started comp sci

[fair token]

After how many hours coding do you consider one can code without assistance like consulting someone or something else?

[fringe sphinx]

Wdym?

[fair token]

Then you wanna be a fullstack or a Devops

[brave swallow]

hes asking what field of development do you want

if you still have no idea you can search on youtube on different kinds of developments so you can have a clear understanding of you career path

[fair token]

Like, when I’m solving problems on leetcode, problem after problem I just can’t solve any of them without having to look for the solution somewhere on stack overflow or asking chat gpt, how long does it take to actually do stuff from memory and not needing any assistance other than for very complex things?

[brittle token]

heres the x and y axes, u can barely see the function lol

[brittle token]

ik what fullstack is, what is devops tho?

[fringe sphinx]

All SWEs constantly consult resources. I almost always have some documentation open

You just get better through repetition -and- understanding

Many coders just go through the motions, instead of taking the time to understand -why-.

[fair token]

facilitate process to reduce steps for developing anything

[fringe sphinx]

Leetcode isn't even all that important, except for interview prep. That said, you really should be able to solve any Leetcode easy fairly easily.

[fair token]

You’re saying that when I do my job interview I’ll be allowed to consult google or somewhere else if Idk how to solve the problems given?

[fringe sphinx]

That's not what you asked

[fair token]

I’ve only been doing easy ones and still struggle problem after problem, currently 2 hours and counting stuck in “longest common prefix”

[fringe sphinx]

When do you graduate uni?

[fair token]

Well, I ask that bc I suppose that when I apply for a job they’ll not be so okay with me consulting how to solve it 💀

[fair token]

Around June 2026

Currently 4th semester of IT

[brave swallow]

theres a youtube video from that dojo channel explaining how to solve coding questions, ofc its applicable to ALL kinds of questions

[fair token]

Link?

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, then you're fine. You just need experience: leetcode is just one piece of the puzzle. Being good at leetcode doesn't make you a good dev. Do some leetcode but also do projects. In a year, you'll find the leetcodes easy's are easy.

[brave swallow]

you can just find it on cs dojo

[fringe sphinx]

Don't fall into tutorial trap; watching and not doing.

[brave swallow]

you might also want to master your data structure and algorithm for leetcode problems

[fringe sphinx]

And it's ok to be stuck on a question for a week. Avoid gpt. Ask people for hints, nothing more.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I usually say: balance studying, practice, and projects. Too much of one is harmful.

[fair token]

Ive been working on a google extension that replaces any picture of Sydney Sweeney with Mao Zedong

[fair token]

Why avoid gpt? All answers given by gpt always surpass on stats like 95% of other solutions.. it’s better most of the times

[fringe sphinx]

Do you want to be a good engineer? Or just good at using tools?

In other words, why are you doing leetcode or projects? To finish the project, or to learn something?

[fair token]

I honestly wanna be on cybersecurity but I wanna learn the most I can from software dev and networking before I get into “hacking”

[fair token]

To get a job

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, but obviously if you use gpt, you won't have learned as much as someone who didn't. And if I'm interviewing, I'll hire the person who learned

[fringe sphinx]

You don't get a job just because you have a degree. You also need to have learned it.

[fair token]

True that, I’ll use it only for explaining solutions

[fringe sphinx]

Even then, you shouldn't. Because GPT won't be there when you need to explain or debug something more complicated.

My opinion. I like gpt, but consider it harmful for beginners.

[fair token]

True

[fair token]

How did you learn coding in general? Like solving problems, doing projects and such

[fringe sphinx]

A balanced of: reading/watching, practice, and doing .

You need all three, imo.

[balmy spade]

Mixed with a healthy dose of always asking questions and being curious why the answers worked.

[fair token]

So just making udemy courses won’t work?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, the result isn't the goal, the journey is.

[fringe sphinx]

I think my opinion here is clear, no?

[fair token]

Wanna help me build my google extension that changes any picture of Sydney Sweeney with Mao Zedong?

[fringe sphinx]

No thx, you got it tho.

[agile moat]

Hey guys
Iam a python biggener .i don't know how to start learning python right and how i will use it to ease my life. I am alittle not good at English so can you give me some advices for how to start right and have the biggest benefition from python on my programming career

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[harsh remnant]

Should I go to a school that teaches more of the application/actual tools of how to be a software engineer but be stuck in the province where I live for a while or go to a prestigious university and do more theoretical/research and have a chance at FAANG

[fringe sphinx]

!res If you're just asking about how to learn Python, please see this list and then visit #python-discussion and ask for guidance.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

There is likely very little curriculum difference between CS programs. A SWE program isn't that different than a CS program. In general, take your best available option. FAANG is so unlikely, regardless of where you go, that you should focus on your own studies & learning.

[peak halo]

You should go to an accredited university for a computer science degree, or maybe a software engineering degree. The alleged prestige of the university isn't very important.

[brave swallow]

Same thing

[cobalt moat]

one of those makes minumum wage and one makes 6 figures

[brave swallow]

You'll be surprised how many 6 figure earner has no skill but good at tools

[cobalt moat]

name one

[brave swallow]

Politicians

[cobalt moat]

they arent good at using any tools
they are just good at hiding crime

[brave swallow]

They're really good at using people as tools

[true harness]

to refocus on swe... the people at the top end of the pay band won't be the ones using chatgpt for everything. they're engineering solutions to problems that have never been solved before

[brave swallow]

True

Was being sarcastic tho. Everyone can gpt but not everyone can engineer

[uncut cloud]

Al Does anyone have a free Artificial Intelligence course on YouTube to send me?

[cobalt moat]

not sure that that has to do with careers but it takes 3 seconds to search "artificial intelligence course" on youtube

[uncut cloud]

Thanks

[jaunty prawn]

Can someone tell me what's the point of this age requirement?

[regal axle]

What country is this?

[jaunty prawn]

Thailand

[regal axle]

Ok; was about to say. That is illegal in many countries. So I can only guess. Regardless, that is still kinda wild

[still crescent]

Hello,

I am a college student and wrote a paper with some colleagues about ML, using different image recognition models to solve a specific problems. The results were not as good as expected (we think we know the reason why) but we think we have a nice work finished. We would like to get feedback from other people and have it posted somewhere so that we can reference it.

Do you think it's a good idea for us to publish our paper in arXiv? What are other alternatives?

We also don't really have in mind publishing it to any journal because we doubt our work is worth it to be in any journal. What are your opinions on that?

Thanks!

[balmy spade]

To exclude those outside of the age range for any number of pointless reasons. That's it, really.

[jaunty prawn]

This is the first time I've seen that. I thought it was illegal too, but I guess not

[sly panther]

how do people justify getting paid more than 20k yearly for software engineering?

our indian brothers ask no more yet are equally qualified

[smoky quest]

it depends on the market

[cinder fossil]

sadly too many people slip through anyways. I work in finance and we definitely have a higher proportion of good quality engineers than my previous workplaces, but some of these people are still massively reliant on AI programming.. and earn more than most ever will

[fervent folio]

name = input("What is your name? ")
print("Hello " + name)

[clever kelp]

Let's say i learn python, how could i make money off it as a beginner?

[near ocean]

You cant really make money off of anything as a beginner

[clever kelp]

Mhm but when i do get to a decent lvl how can i?

[kindred oyster]

by getting a job

[soft heath]

Hey, does the Python Bot have a /pypi [libary] command? I added it to my own discord bot and just thought that it would be a great function for the Python Discord Bot. Thats why I am asking.

[kindred oyster]

!pypi flask

[inner wren]

Flask v3.0.3

A simple framework for building complex web applications.

Released on <t:1712517971:D>.

[buoyant seal]

https://github.com/python-discord/bot open source viewable ^_^

[kindred oyster]

and use proper channels next time , this is not hte place to ask for python doubts

[soft heath]

Yea no problem

[soft heath]

Oh so there are just no slash commands.

[buoyant seal]

Python Doubts Questions
Doubt is a feeling, that u can feel, if you are not certain about smth. Like, you can doubt that planet is round.
Voicing a thing u ask is a Question.

[kindred oyster]

yea , dont think so

[soft heath]

:(

[regal axle]

Ok, resume cleanup time!

I am working on my current section. It is not done. But while I do that, I figured I could get some eyes on what is "done" (generally done but can be polished if need be)
The top is cut off (the section I am working on) but the top is "work experience"

Any thoughts // advice is very much appreciated

[fringe sphinx]

I like to see the skills in the experience section, and generally discount any skills only listed in the skills block. Try to work in the stack or technology in your experience

[regal axle]

Hmmmm ok. It reads more fluently without it. But fair enough. I do generally agree with discounting the skill block section. Let me see what I can do real quick

As an example, I used to. have a section that basically read "I did CRUD opperations". And that felt really really lame. Like of course someone at my experience level knows CRUD. It felt like it didn't add anything specific. And more so, I think it makes sense to point out the tech more based on the position I am applying for. Regardless, my base resume probably should have more mention of tools / languages

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not saying no skills section: just that it's not enough. If you want a Python job, make sure Python shows up in most recent exp

[regal axle]

I got what you meant

[sudden basalt]

Python is like a sub skill in most jobs honestly. It's just an extra thing you know under bigger stuff.

[regal axle]

How is this? Is this better?

[sudden basalt]

How do you measure that 140%?

[atomic nest]

its like an unspoken rule that you gotta include percentages in your resume for some reason

[sudden basalt]

I'd list out the different SQLs you know

[regal axle]

The people who were using the tools before were able to add X number of couplings a day. And that number went up by about 140%. Not an exact number. But it was about that amount

[atomic nest]

id list out all the backend tools you used for your data management

[sudden basalt]

Not in my experience. But I'm Systems side. So it's more about streamlining the Infra, business, and internal processes.

[sudden basalt]

Yes, expand on the data piece as a whole. List out tools and SQLs

Postgres, MSSQL, MySQL, etc

[regal axle]

It is a thing in all sides of the industry. It isn't structly required. But plenty of people really push for it. And it generally doesn't hurt to add. Most of the time

I mean, it was mainly just django and postgres. Everything else was self made tools.
But point taken. Will add postgres somewhere in there

[sudden basalt]

I wouldn't want the headache of quantifying it. In Systems it's all org centric. Senior here isn't senior there and so on.

[regal axle]

That is always the case no matter what. But yes, % can be silly at times. And often meaningless. But there are meny things we do in our jobs that are "meaningless and pointless," just to satisfy some random manager. So maybe the value is more in demonstrating that part of it ? idk

● Designed and implemented a real time price-tracking system, monitoring over 1m product relationships.
->
● Designed and implemented a real time price-tracking system, monitoring over 1m product relationships with Postgres.
Feels a little forced. But I can't really see anywhere else to add it

Wait; don't respond. I have an idea to restructure that

● Designed and implemented a real time price-tracking system, monitoring over 1m product relationships.
□ Managed relationships through Postgres and updated data through various CRON jobs.

[regal axle]

I think the reason they all went away, is becuase my resume used to focus way too much on the tools and not what I did. Maybe I overcorrected. But regardless, a hard balance. I feel like the conversation about what tools was used could be explored more in an interview. But yea, they still need a rough idea of what it was to be able to make a decision on if they want to give me an interview

[regal axle]

See, this feels like going too far in the other direction:

● Built a React and Vite frontend, powered by a Django rest framework for the backend,
connected through a Caddy reverse proxy, and hosted as discrete railway services.

But idk. What do you think?

Hmmmm. This would become a very long bullet point.

oof. 3 lines. Not the worst. But I prefer two liners if possible

It is an internal tool to be used by staff to manage inventory systems. The frontend was built with the purpose of keeping frequent activity as quick, easy to do actions. Basically allow them to retain high velocity.
Becuase before this ,,, they did 0 tracking (basically 0 at least). And so I needed to make sure to not slow them down // be a bottleneck. And I did that

I see what you are going for. Makes sense.
Do you think it would be better to break them up into sub bullet points?

I mean, I already have them showing up in a few places. It "helps" with origination / grouping. But yea,,, not the biggest fan.

[near ocean]

noticing a lot more take-homes used recently, anyone else have the same experience?
I hope it doesnt become a trend

[regal axle]

Purely from things I have read:
It seems like there is a growing distain for leetcode style questions. // pure whiteboard interviews. And as a result, a growing preference for companies that have alternative strategies for interviews. It would seem like this is a popular enough option.
To me it feels like there is just a growing divide in the type of interview people like. And different companies will choose the one that aligns with their "culture" better.

An example of this can be seen with repos like https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards

[near ocean]

there's also doubt regarding companies exploiting interviewees for basically free labour
i'm surprised this is picking up, i really dont want to have to spend 2-4hours on a takehome

[regal axle]

Understandable. I agree; take homes are not great. But similar to the "whiteboard" interview, there are good and bad ways to do it. The issue with any style is not the style itself but rather the implementation

[near ocean]

leetcode type interviews are easier to game though, just takes time really and not even that much time at that
i guess employers are waking up to peeps cheesing their technical interviews

[regal axle]

It isn't just a "cheesing interviews" issue. It is that some places will have very arbitrary interviews that are in no way representative of knowledge required for the job. So people get annoyed when they can't get a job for not knowing something that is never used at that job.
https://x.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768

Max Howell (@mxcl) on X

Google: 90% of our engineers use the software you wrote (Homebrew), but you can’t invert a binary tree on a whiteboard so fuck off.

Twitter · Jun 10, 2015, 5:07 PM

[regal axle]

Anyways, I feel like this is getting worse. I really can't figure out how to make this good

[deft herald]

I'm at the point in my career where if I have to go back and interview again, i don't want to answer any questions that involve me writing code

I hope interviews for positions with 10+ YOE don't do that anymore

[worldly lily]

Do colleges even matter for top CS jobs

[deft herald]

What's a top CS job?

[regal axle]

In general (and this is for more than just CS) your college is most important for the first job you get and maybe the second. But past that, it starts to become irrelivent. Only sometimes showing up when HR has a strange rule about you needing a specific degree for a specific role.

[worldly lily]

high paying, in big tech company

[worldly lily]

so degree is still needed?

[regal axle]

Are you asking do you need a degree to get a job? Or do you need to go to a high ranking college?

[worldly lily]

i asked the second originally, now asking the first

[regal axle]

If you are asking about degrees in general;
You can 100% get a big tech job without a degree. It is just way harder. Getting a degree is the path of least resistance. Companies do higher people without degrees. It is just harder becuase competition is high.

As for the "rank" of the school;
The advantage of a higher ranked school is that A) you are far more likely to make more meaningful connections. And B) if someone cares about the schools, you at least won't be comeing from one with a bad reputation. For that second part, it is more that some colleges are looked down on than it is that a college is revered. (excluding the top of the top)

Also, I am simplifying and generalizing things here. So keep that in mind too

[worldly lily]

wo that was like the concise and well thought answers i got

In my country there is only a few internationally recognized colleges and the clearing the entrance exam is tough

[deft herald]

Depends on the job. I know mine has a hard requirement from HR to have a bachelor's degree

though the university it's from doesn't matter

[regal axle]

Yes sorry; I should have also clarified that this is focused from the USA perspective. I hear that it is similar in many other countries. But not all of them. So I can't say specifically for where you are from.

[worldly lily]

I can either study hard the next 2 years for a seat, or i could focus on my programming skills and get in a lower class university : /

[worldly lily]

I understand the us perspective ye

I want to move to usa or some developed country anyway, so i asked here

[fringe sphinx]

I'd start with one bullet that said what you did. "Developed and deployed an inventory management system in React/Vite with a Django backend"

[fringe sphinx]

above was for you

[regal axle]

Yea. This is nice. But I am also struggling with mentioning the tools used. But I guess I can drop the Caddy part. And I doubt anyone even knows what railway is + not looking for infra job. But I guess if the job becomes more infra focussed, I can add it in for that app

[alpine rose]

Hi everyone:
I had a dream about a formula to calculate the next term of prime numbers from the previous one, I woke up literally 20 minutes later and only had time to write down part of it, help me solve the rest.

For example, from 3 -> 5
from 5 -> 7

etc.

I have a polynomial of degree 5 left to solve, whoever can do it would be grateful 🙂 .
CEIL (1 * 10^-5 * x^4 {+ or -} {ax^3} {+ or -} 0.002x^2 + x + 2)

Find a and the two + or -

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps add a second bullet with tests, CI/CD, and deployment? If you did some devops, it's worth calling out.

[regal axle]

hahahaha tests! Lol, what are those. 😂
(no really, this project had way too little unit testing. It is kinda sad. I mean it doesn't actually matter; but I do kinda wish there was more in it)

[near ocean]

This is the careers channel
Try offtopics

[fringe sphinx]

what I'm thinking is: the first two bullets should say: "I can code (React, Django, etc)" and "I have SWE skills (CI/CD, tests, etc)".

[regal axle]

(been jumping between things, hence slow responses)

How is
● Developed an inventory management system in React/Vite with a Django backend.
● Deployed services automatically with Railway, and ensured code quality through CI/CD formatting and linting

[copper tinsel]

Hey there.
Is there anyone that works with freelance as a data analysis or dashboard and that wouldn't mind givin me a hand?
I'm studing it for a couple of months and I`m getting to a point that is quite a few questions are starting to pop up on my mind.
Like, for example, the delivery of it. Is it online? With streamlit or other tool. Do I make a standalone that the client will be able to run on his own computer and then generate the result it wants? ( this would only aply to situations where the client only have certain type of spreadcheets to look and then the format of the information would no t change so much), do I create an online and then only deliver the results?
like, I have no Idea how to proceed with it, I do not have a client, but am getting to a point of my studies that I will start running after it and would want to be ready to a point to be able to solve this streatch.

[regal axle]

It depends ™️

Basically anything you said is possible. But generally, the client has data sotred somewhere and you will need some way to access that data. If it is 100% local store (push them to make it not) you might make a local tool. But if it stored on some other means, you would tap into that and have an online app.
Think of streamlit in a similar manner to Canva. It is a good tool and powerful for doing rough creative stuff. But the "pros" (in this case, if you are trying to really stand out and specialize) are likely to use tools that offer higher control and power.
Nothing wrong with it. just not likely the tool you use.

And all of that is to say; none of it matters. The only thing that actually matters is what the client wants and how you can best deliver that. If it is to do X over Y. Then do X.

[copper tinsel]

go the jizz of it...thanks!!!

on the topic of the streamlit. ....I`m organizing myself to study django, would that be the right tool for a better, more profissional aproach? Do u know if in django I can use tailwind??

[regal axle]

Think of Django as a backend that can serve frontend. But you can easily create a frontend and have it talk to your django backend. But yes, you can use tailwind with django. They are different tools and do different things

[copper tinsel]

what would u recommend instead of streamli?

[regal axle]

Well .... I have no idea what you are actually trying to do. So ,,,, it is really hard to give you a recommendation

It was a really small scale thing. But yea, it is pretty cool. If I was more into the market I was serving, I might have grown it even bigger and made more money. But I was really hating that market. So me and my co-founder tried looking for someone who wanted to take over our stuff. We managed to find someone and sold. It wasn't sold for a lot or anything. But that doesn't matter. That isn't the important part. 😄

[copper tinsel]

sorry to botther you. and if i`m trying to do a front end not so focused on the backend, what would you recommend?

[regal axle]

? You said you were doing data analysis. Or do you just want to do data visualization?
If all you want to do is visualization, I recommend looking into JS frameworks. React is very popular. It has issues and isn't the end all be all. But it is popular.

The crazy thing is that the contract doesn't even give them exclusive rights to the software. They were lazy and gave us a bad contract (for them bad, good for us) and in theory, I could sell the software and data that we collected (not user data; product data) to anyone else. I mean, we won't do that. But we could

[copper tinsel]

@regal axle than k you

[vapid jay]

hey bro can you suggest some good project for an ml engineer reume

how many projects are sufficient according to you

[faint sluice]

bruh im soo confused on what to do in the tech space 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Theres web development, data science/analysis, software engineering/development bruh. What do i do

[fringe sphinx]

Why do you have to pick?

[faint sluice]

i want to study comp science. And i really want to start learning now since im going to university next year february

[vapid jay]

agh

all of it ends at openai api key

and i dont have a credit card

[fringe sphinx]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[vapid jay]

oh i can do it on huggingface as well

[fringe sphinx]

You don't need to pick a specialty. Just pick anything you want to learn. Over four years, you'll end up touching everything.

[fringe sphinx]

I'd suggest just picking a language (Python is a good choice), and focus on getting good at the basics.

[faint sluice]

im actually taking a course on it right now

[fringe sphinx]

If you really want to get good, hang out in #python-discussion . You'll learn a lot every day.

[faint sluice]

but as i go on the thoughts flood my head

[fringe sphinx]

Welcome to the club 🙂

[faint sluice]

ill be sure to check it out, but later im probably too beginner for that right now :d

[fringe sphinx]

It gets easier. But it takes a long time to get there.

[fringe sphinx]

Nonono... it's half beginners.

[faint sluice]

thats what they all say 😭

[fringe sphinx]

Whenever you want something explained, just ask there.

[fringe sphinx]

Seriously. Many of the questions there are extremely basic... and we love helping. This isn't like most other programmer discords.

[faint sluice]

Thank you ❤️

[regal axle]

Ok, obviously you can see there is a little section that is not done. But ignoring that one for now, please advise:

Be as brutal as you want to be. I am genuinely looking to make a good resume. Even if you have an opinionated opinion; that is still welcome. I can discern if I agree.

First bullet point ...
Noted. I agree. Will see if I can fit a better explanation on the first point
Second bullet point ...
Maybe I can swap it with the last one of that section?
... why did you have to train them ? Were they SWE ?
I see the confussion. Not sure how to make it more clear; but I trained the staff of the company to use the new bespoke inventory system that was created. Helping with any issues that showed up // confusion.

Customer company

Mainly I like the line because it does have a lot of impact. But I do see what you are saying about role matching

Yea, I think that last part is why it is still really relevant.

I appreciate the feedback.

how's this? Better?

Makes sense. Just not sure how, in context, to pull that off.

No for sure. But everyone always wants a "perfect resume"

[fringe sphinx]

I think the first bullet could add some more substance, without dropping the technical part. Can you tell us (here): what did this inventory mgmt system do? Why was it needed? What made it interesting?

I like squeezing the stack into the first bullet. It makes it clear that you're an engineer, that's the first thing you call out, etc

[bright niche]

Hi, Everyone
Full-Stack web developer is open to work.
If you are looking for web/blockchain developer, just contact me.

Plz invite me to any private chatting for more detail discussion. 🤝

Reach me:
https://github.com/formysister

https://formysister.github.io

[fringe sphinx]

This is not a job board, we don't do recruiting. But, if you'd like a resume review or discuss careers, this is the place.

[vestal hedge]

I'm so stuck in my code journey. Never worked as professional. Tried to get into IT last 5 years. Now motivation lost due no clear goal any more and no milestones. What are the uppertunities.

[regal axle]

The company goes through hundreds of stock (1 of 1 items) a day (hundreds in and hundreds out). But they were only marking some of their purchases and only "tracking" expensive stock, while mostly ignoring cheaper stuff.
So

1. the system is able to handle the high velocity of the stock.
2. every product is tracked from purchase to sale.

• Meaning we can also get insights like how much stock you have on hand now and also get analytics.

3. Allow for better insight in general. Before there was only rough ideas based solely on the accounting. But now you can pair that with the actual inventory. They did track money just fine. But they are now actually able to track the stock itself.
4. Easier creation of crates (composites of individual stock). They had a much worse system before. That would require a ton of recalculating on costs to get how much they are spending vs making. But now that is easier to A build and B calculate.

I also helpped them with physical organization. Before, they kinda just had stock in buckets. And only really organized for expensive stock. But I helped them create a system for how to organize and integrated it with the inventory system

[regal axle]

We have zero context on you. Really hard to answer. But there are still a ton of opportunities out there.
But; what country are you in? What type of "IT" are you trying to do? Do you have a degree? What type of work have you done in the last 5 years?

[fringe sphinx]

What were they do before? Just manual tracking?

[regal axle]

Google sheets. And not the best. ... (they didn't use it to the full extent // tracking)
I mean their accounting was fine.

But yes. All manual. But now everything is tagged with an actual barcode.
And while product are typically 1 of 1 items. They can still be really similar. So technically there was no way to know if it was item A or B. But if it is tagged with a barcode, way harder to make a mistake

For a lot of business, especially new ones, it really can be. No hate on google sheets. It can be amazing in a lot of ways. But once you get to certain size, it just doesn't work.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, so the first bullet is something like: "Modernized..." or "Implemented an automated inventory management system in ..., eliminating error-prone manual processes and providing more reliable data for sales & accounting purposes."

(just thinking out loud... trying to work in the so-what with the what.

[regal axle]

Yea makes sense. The hard part is keeping it as a single point and not just splitting it up into two different points. Because then we are right back where we started

[fringe sphinx]

Two lines is fine, if it's clearer. My problem before is it didn't really say much.

[regal axle]

Yea, I am fine with two lines too. I just meant it that it is likely to be two ideas pushed together that would normally read better as two different points; but is 1 point only becuase it is the first point

This feels a little better for sure. Going to probably work on that blank section and then maybe circle back to the top part.

Man ,,,, my resume is very confusing.
What role am I? Do I have a place anywhere except a startup? Like, I do a lot of things; architect, programming, managing, client relations. But I don't have the time to be more senior. (and also I just am not in certain ways)

I don't know a lot about Europe; but is there not a bunch of international companies? Are your only options companies that exist in one country? I would think that they would serve a bunch of neighbors. ?

Oh yea; that is fine. My org is very easy to leave. The way it is structured, I can take on as much or as little work as I want. For the most part at least (and also I can take as much work as I can find :p)
I have some things that I would keep running. But they take up maybe 5 hours a month. And I mean, what I do on my weekends is not up to them

But higher population also = higher oppertunity. Bigger companies and bigger cities have bigger room to higher from outside.
I do get what you are getting at though. I mean, you could always throw some apps out in the wild (without catering or anything) just to see if you get lucky.

I will see if it becomes an issue. And if it does, I can reword it. But I just hope that if it does become an issue, I can at least get feedback on that.

Well I appreciate the heads up

[vapid jay]

can someone take a look at this please

[vapid jay]

thanks buddy

any other suggestion?

[fringe sphinx]

It's a good start. Grab a better template to work from, like: https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[true harness]

template matters less than other stuff though. on first glance it looks empty, which implies that you don't have much to talk about

[vapid jay]

how can i make the resume look more populated? increase the number of projects?

[true harness]

sure, or write more about your experience

[vapid jay]

thanks man

[vapid jay]

got it

[true harness]

one thing that i notice is missing for your experience bullets is impact. how many users did the library have, what did they think about it, etc

[regal axle]

Ok. Here is my updated resume. Went through and cleaned up the top and some other minor points.
Don't actually know what to do for the skills section. But besides that, it is in a more stable state (even if not final final)
Again, any advice / critique is very welcome.

[hallow otter]

personally I prefer skills higher up,

Skills
Work Experience
Education

Also your links, I would shorten the display link text, like Github:Username and let the hyperlink be long. this maximizes your space while keeping the link and you'll be able to get more space to put it in one line.

I'm not sure if anyone has said anything on the order of the secitons, I just joined the chat.

[regal axle]

For the most part, I disagree. I hate skills being first. But this is one of those personal opinion things and there is no right answer. However, the top is the most important, so it stands to reason you want to showcase what you have done. It can be assumed that if you are applying for a position, you have at least some skills aligned with that position.

As for the link, yea, I can chop off the .com from github.
Regardless, thanks for the response 😄

[hallow otter]

no worries lool 😁

[vestal hedge]

secondary school worth shit. i live in the netherlands. last 5 years worked parttime jobs as delivery.

[acoustic bobcat]

I work remote for a company out if state in a major city. When I was applying in 2022, if you only listed 49 skills out of 50, noone would call you back.

Depends how broad you're searching. When looking for remote work you are going against alot more people.

[craggy galleon]

Hi , Guys
Does anyone work rn in the programming field. i just Wana ask em some questions about the career and work . I'm fresh graduate ai programmer