career-advice

[silent crown]

I learned python trough w3schools. It was a good start. Can't learn everything at once. But I highly suggest looking into the function "print(dir(whatever object or function you throw in here))". If you get the hang of that, i'd look into PiP, installing modules and setting up a virtual environment. (venv).

[stray thunder]

tysm

[silent crown]

If you dont have a diploma, you need external acknowledgement in another way. It wasn't clear to me that is was a competition you won.

Maybe also willingness to finish your graduation? If that's an option at least.

Anyway, got to go back to work. Discord is distracting me lol. Good luck 🙂

Honesty is better. Maybe willingness to fill in gaps in knowledge.

No problem :). I Ace at getting jobs. Keeping them is another story lol.

There's always gaps in knowledge. The more you know, the more you know you dont know

And pro tip: Ask questions instead of being asked questions. People love talking about themselves. If you keep them talking about them, they feel good about the conversation. And then you create a positive connection. And be positive.

I wouldn't go 100% about them. There has to be a balance. But often when someone applies its like a... interrogation instead of a conversation. Go to prevent that.

Questions like, how long are you working for this company? What do you like about it? Gets them completely off guard sometimes

Showing interest in the people you're going to be working with.

[lucid citrus]

Honestly, do guys recommend learning a "popular" language? Like if is popular wouldn't it be competitive and you less likely to get a job?

I know it's useful for many things but because of that there is a lot of dev for that language and feeling it's likely that they have already filled gaps and covered the demand.

[near ocean]

There are devs for all languages, you'll have competition regardless

The question is, do you want more competition that's only in the race because of hype and arent actually competent or do you want less competition with actually passionate people who know the less popular languages because they like them and not because some tiktoker made a short

Theres a lot more py and js "devs" nowadays because of hype but theres also many more bootcamp kids that cant even do fizzbuzz or cs grads that are only in the degree cause they think it'll magically bring them mega paychecks

[lucid citrus]

yeah, that happened all the time the amount of people who think they can make easy money from something is insane, like the dropshipping trend where they sell courses. It's just all shove and no gold. All hype and no commitment

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> crypto nerd spotted

[karmic merlin]

!cban 917318718483214376 some weird crypto stuff. We arent crypto server mate

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @somber forum permanently.

[near ocean]

Anyway, a touch of ability would put you far ahead of a big chunk of the devs looking for a job in these popular langs today

[lucid citrus]

So, devs are a lot but devs that are creative, and skillful are rare

[near ocean]

Well, rarer, theres still a bunch of good devs, its just that theres a lot more new, inexperienced, unprepared devs in the market now

Dont be complacent is the point, the start is always a grind

[fringe sphinx]

I've worked with a lot different types of devs, and I'm reminded by Bill Nye's quote: "Everyone you meet knows something you don't". Lots of people think differently - you'd be surprised how creative and skillful most devs are, when given the right environment.

[white relic]

if you're not still working towards an msc, I wouldn't put the degree on there.

you just have some graduate education. what degree you were working to is irrelevant if you're no longer pursuing it.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, tbh, I too abandoned my phd... I wouldn't put that on my resume, altho I do talk about it occasionally.

[white relic]

"Graduate studies @ whatever university"

[fringe sphinx]

And, if your thesis is interesting, I'd rather hear about the topic

[white relic]

If you are still pursuing it, you can put your intended (future) graduation date on there.

[lofty zephyr]

Received feedback from senior developers and deployed code enhancements with source control using Git and Gitlab

I'm revisiting my resume, how does this bullet point sound? I just need to rubber duck this one point

[white relic]

if you enrolled in one program, then switched programs and got a different degree, would you put both of them on there?

you shouldn't

that you spent time in graduate studies should be on there.

The name of the degree that you didn't earn and aren't working towards should not.

you don't, because the fact that you enrolled in a master's program is irrelevant, since you didn't complete it.

I already suggested one way to put your studies on there without naming a degree you don't have: #career-advice message

well, as BillyBobby also pointed out, you could name your thesis topic for a start

and include relevant coursework that you did complete

"I have a master's degree in X" means something

"I have half of a master's degree in X" doesn't mean anything.

then why don't you have a degree?

[hearty island]

san andersen cali at 88K, nah fam

[gray lava]

where can i practice my coding in python?

[hearty island]

clear projects

[white relic]

so is it impossible to complete now?

[gray lava]

am i gonna search that in ggl sir?

[white relic]

I prefer candidates who don't mislead me about their educational credentials, yeah.

[hearty island]

no, i mean do projects

[white relic]

so you have decided not to complete your MSc
therefore, you do not have an MSC

[gray lava]

ohhh okay, does asking chatgpt would help me on what projects i should do to start with?

[white relic]

it's the first thing under your education section.
look, I'm not saying you're technically lying, but putting an MSc in the education section of your resume when you do not have and are not working toward an MSc is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. I've made suggestions how you could avoid that. It's up to you whether you decide to go along or not.

or you could present your dissertation and then you would have actually earned it.

I do value time put in. I could value it more if your resume emphasized better what you did with that time, and not highlighting the degree which is the one thing you did not do with that time.

I'm seeing a severe lack of what you actually did during that time.

Thesis was the opening oral presentation at a workshop ...
That's nice. But what was the thesis?
Selected for poster presentations at ...
That's nice. But what were the presentations about?
Unanimously elected as class rep[...] and made an impact on the MSc program
Sounds vague. What impact would that be?

[fringe sphinx]

(I agree 100% with this: It was all self-praise with no substance)

My view is: Listing it as MSc is a little bit of a bait and switch... maybe "MSc (incomplete)" makes it more obvious than putting a phrase to the right. Second: the bullets underneath should have substance: what was interesting or challenging about what you did? Accolades/accomplishments are the type of thing I ignore, at least while screening.

[hearty island]

ok from an outsider's perspective who's been lurking here, i don't understand the point of listing an MSc if you didn't complete it. if you listed it as incomplete, it makes it more obvious.

it says hired before completion

[true harness]

i do agree with trent that it reads slightly fluffy. it's a lot of words to not mention what the actual content of your presentation, posters, or impact were

[fringe sphinx]

Screeners aren't checking dates/etc, they do a first pass looking for high level things: education, experience, relevant keywords, etc

No screener will read your thesis: if it's interesting, explain why.

I mean, I wouldn't even read it for a final round candidate.

[hearty island]

as a side note, linkedin premium is 🗑️

[fringe sphinx]

That actually supporting my point: if it's cool and impressive, put it in a bullet.

[white relic]

"(withdrawn)" might be a softer way than "(incomplete)"

[jagged phoenix]

can someone tell me why im not able to activate venv

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion. See #❓｜how-to-get-help for Python help

[rocky lion]

For google?

[true harness]

you can look up their interview process

[near ocean]

It was a 4day weekend btw, if you were applying last week

It was also kinda sunny, no chance people looked at applications

[smoky quest]

agreed. I would keep the withdrawn or use another term.
As a reader, I would try to look for the story to understand if the candidate has withdrawn because they failed, decided to pursue something, had life event or whatever

I would prefer "Hired Before Completion" over "Withdrawn" as well. It's more positive and descriptive

You may need to add start/end dates to your education as well to make things more clear too

tbh hired before completion is pretty explicit on its own, especially if it matches with a job in your timeline

[warm thicket]

Was last week/week before but do have chat with specialist tomorrow

I'm moving into new career though, been a consultant for past 6 years in software space running development teams/client facing and decided end of last year to go for soft eng/data eng instead

[wheat hatch]

I'd also advise you to be mentally prepared for questions like "Why did you decide to drop out?", "Do you feel you have difficulties completing things?", etc, during any potential interview.

"Hired before completion" sounds more positive, but it can also be interpreted negatively by some interviewers.

[copper otter]

why this thing doesnt launch anyone knows??

[near ocean]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[copper otter]

?

[sinful mountain]

Good afternoon yall, I want to pursue programming/python but right now I can't find the motivation to. I feel like it may help with my career but at the moment I don't anything to really keep me in check to fully learn it

[near ocean]

Thats not on topic for this channel, read the description or even the channel name

[sinful mountain]

I'm looking to utilize this server to keep my focus with possible assignments that are given out

[wheat hatch]

The one I have seen is that the person might have difficulties actually finishing things, leaving many tasks half-done.

It sounds like you have thought it through already, I just wanted to bring it up in case you hadn't.

[snow patrol]

Wrong channel. But the answer is: Save your file.

[grave quartz]

can i with turtle print in window turtle "hi"?

I do not know, just turtle is a modified tk window

[white relic]

Try #❓｜how-to-get-help

[grave quartz]

No, I was just asking. This is just a theory

[grave quartz]

@white relic

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion

[grave quartz]

sorry

[onyx roost]

is this a thing? I thought they needed proof such as diploma, here they pay less tax if they hide a person who finished college

finishing education

[peak halo]

interesting. how many years of experience do those people have, would you say?

My department would never consider an applicant without at least a bachelors, except maybe if they somehow have many years of experience without one.

[onyx roost]

not every company is like yours, i have colleagues who are sillicon design engineers without bachelors, but they are very talented people

[peak halo]

I work in the AI department of my company (which backwards_propogation knows). I'm talking about ML positions. Not all programming-related jobs.

[smoky quest]

they are most likely an exception, far from the rule

[onyx roost]

yup

[smoky quest]

Startups do care about degrees too. They correlate strongly with skills

[onyx roost]

oh they are not forgiving

if anything your work could not be more important because theres much less hands

sorry i just alt tabbed

the way my colleagues without bachelors is they just got certificates in varying skills to show proficiency, but they all started at startups

yeah i can't say from experience i just finished uni and then worked for a corp while doing stuff on the side

i had it easier than my friends who were in like a trade skill uni and covid hit

then when job market opened up againt it was like a zombie apocalypse

it sounds to me like you broke the barrier to entry which is amazing, just put everything in your resume, i'm not american but from what i hear not alot of people can even afford higher education to begin with. And working for a startup is even better cuz you got to learn so much more. my time working here at the beginning was revolting I would get these giant estimation which i was not encouraged to finish early so i just did side projects for my resume cuz my professional experience in my humble opinion was lame, and at my new job they barely asked anything outside my responsabilities from my prev work

Plugins for stable diffusion xd for like 60%, of my time

The rest is tesfing out different web frameworks

I love it, ive been using it for making a game

But its such a humongous workload i dont rly have a demo

I also did some cheat engine tables but idk if that counts

I keep feature creeping and it never ends

Then i have the genious idea to rework something

Ive just been soing it on and off tho for like 1 year

[eternal summit]

anyone where have experience with a fall/spring internship while also being in uni? do you recommend?

[smoky quest]

“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”
― Mark Twain

[wind temple]

hey that's actually very smart quote

[gritty rivet]

If you can manage it you absolutely should. Internship experience is extremely valuable

[onyx roost]

nah I was cybersecurity dev for automotive and now i do devops and automation

[dull ledge]

Guys I'm going to college this year, should I even pursue computer science, will I even be able to get a job by the time I'm done with college?

I keep hearing that the market is saturated and that ai is gonna take over

[eternal summit]

and I'd assume those internships are less competetive

[gritty rivet]

Nobody knows what will be 4 years from now.

Unless you have a better plan, just work hard at it and you'll be fine

The growth of AI just means you better learn something about AI. Software engineers are not going extinct anytime soon

[jade rampart]

I want to move to Europe since I've passports from 2 european countries.

But I'm a young student, and I'd like to start working full time before finishing school.

Where can I find job offers? I'd like to know what are the most used technologies so that I study them and prepare myself for interviews.

[whole flare]

LinkedIn is a good place to start looking for the most used technologies in the job roles you are targeting.

[jade rampart]

They all ask for like +2 years of experience and I've only done Freelance

[mortal wedge]

Do you guys feel like bragging about yourself and like... puffery is vital to getting hired and advancing in your career?

[pine sleet]

i mean, your callback rates are going to be significantly lower if you highlight all the bad parts about you & your projects on your resume

[mortal wedge]

I mean, sure

Well, let's set getting hired aside for a moment. Should it be necessary to like... overrepresent your expertise? To advance?

At my current company, I'm watching grossly incompetent people win people over to their side and gain power/responsibility, completely screw everything up, then I get blamed as the senior engineer even though I spoke out against it and it's repeating itself. I'm trying to avoid this pain so wonder if I need to like... puff myself up too

[pine sleet]

if you can "overrepresent" without lying, sure

but that's essentially just any resume - painting yourself in the best light

[mortal wedge]

Yeah, I agree and have the stance that as long as you're not fundamentally misrepresenting your ability to do the job then whatever

[pine sleet]

are you looking to jump ship?

or are you trying to fix the workplace?

[mortal wedge]

Both. I'm trying to fix the workplace to the degree that I have spare mental faculties to work on jumping ship, lol

[fringe sphinx]

That's fair: it can both be true that- your workplace is dysfunctional, at least in this particular aspect, and: that you could learn to better handle such dysfunction because the root issues are fairly common.

[mortal wedge]

I am getting a lot of practice in like compartmentalization and changing my mental processes

I think I'm also getting a stark lesson in the risks of just "playing along" though. You have to stand up for yourself when situations occur that are likely to lead to future pain

[gritty rivet]

No. Don't say it, just show it.

Sometimes projecting confidence feels fake, but it has to be sincere

[fringe sphinx]

Meh, I haven't. I think competency is everything. The empty hats (suits, I mixed my metaphors) I've met never lasted that long.

[mortal wedge]

Okay. I'm glad to hear that. Hopefully competency is enough for most companies.

Like I know there's a degree of showmanship in interviewing

[fringe sphinx]

But: you (imo) should strive to be more than your role. Understand the bigger picture, learn about the business and project management and other aspects.

[fringe sphinx]

But, I will say that confidence does correlate with success: you have to take some risks (to unlock certain opportunities).... and many people lack the confidence to do it.

[near ocean]

second time this week i hear someone say they'll stay at current toxic workplace until they fix <insert fancy resume pad project> before they leave
why?

[mortal wedge]

That makes sense. I think that type of confidence is a little different than what I'm thinking of in this context. I take on big/important projects and take risks (well, not now, but I hope to again when I'm at a bigger company). I'm more of referring to like... false bravado people use to advertise themselves.

At a recent company meeting, a few people stood up to give small speeches and objectively the speeches were very similar. Similar cadence, eye contact, puffery, etc. But I also knew that some of those people could really backup their puffery with strong qualifications and for others it's false advertising. Idk

[vapid jay]

imagine hacking a guy then he comes to u and liek everything about u 💀

[mortal wedge]

If you mean me, I can't afford to be unemployed so I can't just quit. But when I tried applying to other jobs in my field it seemed like the vast majority of jobs either advertised that they were looking for experience with GPTs or they asked me about them in interviews. It's always ended the conversation when I admit I don't have experience utilizing/programming them. Especially if I mention that I think it's a bit overhyped and not applicable to their business

So I'm trying to learn because I think that needs to happen before I can be successful at getting a job

If I could afford to quit I'd be gone so fast

[near ocean]

I didnt mean you should quit btw, just start the job search, dont impose arbitrary deadlines on yourself

[mortal wedge]

Oh. Yeah. I’ve been looking. Just realizing I need to skillup to meet the demands of the current market

[eternal summit]

is the best route to go in AI/ML? i heard it’s really challenging but i want to be relevant for some years im just not sure if im into all that data stuff though

[minor harbor]

is computer science dying and data science rising?

[smoky quest]

nope

[mint oracle]

Nowdays what skill i needed to get ai job

I have not a clear roadmap

as a fresher which field is easy to get
i have interest in backend and ai both

Computer but not a engineering degree
and going for master in computer this yr

I am creating roadmap for my self do u recommend which book is best to start

My roadmap Part1: fundamental
Step1: Revise dsa and computer architecutre basic
step2: Learn sql
Step3: learn Math and Stats
Currently i am focusing on this may be i completed all in next 3 months

Any thing u recommend me to add in fundamentals

Okay Noted!

Revision is indeed important!

[onyx roost]

[copper otter]

thank u

[tidal gazelle]

Can anyone help me decide what are the most sustainable jobs in the future if I am currently doing the following subjects at AS levels: Physics. Chemistry, Math, IT
And I plan on either dropping IT or chemistry for A levels, but more likely IT.
Initially I planned on doing mechanical engineering but now I am not so sure because the demand might fall

[desert cipher]

Guys how hard to get into good company if your data structure and algorithms are good but just 6 months internship experience?

[fringe sphinx]

Not sure how one begins to answer this. 6 months internship is good, you'll be fine. Just get your resume squared away and practice for the non-technical parts of an interview: it's not just about technical skills.

[desert cipher]

squared away means?

[fringe sphinx]

That's a really broad question. I'd say say: unless you have a specific passion, focus on breadth over depth. Computer science is a broad major, for instance.

[fringe sphinx]

Make sure your resume is well written, and get feedback from a variety of people

[desert cipher]

Okay

Should one include 2-3 months experience in resume too? or does it give negative impression?

[fringe sphinx]

Why would it be negative?

[desert cipher]

Too little?

[true harness]

if it's an internship that seems fine. for a job that might need explaining

[onyx roost]

cute and silly name

it seems theres a gap in 2023

idk any of those its sci fi to me

[tidal gazelle]

Isn't engineering also broad?

[white relic]

FWIW, "paused" is totally fine IMO. Everybody who's been through the academic system understands what a pain it can be to line up all the ducks you need to defend a dissertation and it's often out of your control (department schedules, whatever). If you intend to complete it, even if the timeline of completion is a little vague at the moment, no problem with including "MSc (paused)".
IMO the education section is still missing the details I would want to know, like what actually was your thesis and what your presentations were about or any other relevant field work you did. Yes the project is labeled elsewhere as "Thesis project" but it's easy to miss. If you wrote a dissertation, putting the title under education (perhaps with a note "see Projects") would help.

[near ocean]

I cast <@&831776746206265384> action

[fringe pine]

It's super effective!

Wait, wrong reference? 😄

[near ocean]

The reference is in the eye of the beholder

[fringe pine]

🐝
🫴

I should stop contributing to the spam sorry.

[tidal gazelle]

Do jobs look if you did A levels or if you did foundation after doing AS level?

[whole flare]

What do you mean?

Oh, they're UK qualifications, oops 🗿

[fringe pine]

If you have a bachelor's degree, I would think it's unlikely that employers would be interested in your pre-university education.

[jade rampart]

Guys I want my first job...
I want to move to europe and I'm kinda lost...

[fringe pine]

I guess unless you're currently at university 🤔

[dull fjord]

Hey guys a general question. I was thinking of taking ai and ml (cs) my major in college. Someone told me that ai field is very hard and unrewarding and it is mostly luck they land a job or are exceptionally talented. Is it true ?
But I don’t really think anything else right now gets me excited. Or i can land jobs in different things with ai and ml ?

Should I pursue it? I don’t want to end up doing jobless 😭

[peak halo]

I'm an AI professional. If they think it's "very hard and unrewarding", that's their opinion, I guess. I think it's fine. It might also be that they work for a shitty boss/company.
I would encourage you to pursue the degree you mentioned. Though keep in mind that AI/ML is applied math, so you need to maintain a positive attitude about learning advanced math.

[tough salmon]

is it all linear algebra?

[peak halo]

neural networks involves lots of partial derivatives on matrices.

[tough salmon]

what does that fall under?

[peak halo]

derivatives are calculus.

[dull fjord]

Well i want a stable job. I am not for some big money. But still you know choosing wrong major and then ending up jobless would be bad. I am willing to put in the work and wait patiently,but if it certainly pays off in long run

[dull fjord]

So does it pays of certainly. I mean I would get some job, even if things don’t work out for me as i wanted ?

[true steeple]

hello friends can anyone help me with the best resume template for freshers?

iam currently pursuing engineering final year

[peak halo]

I'm not really sure how good the market is right now for entry-level AI jobs. My department isn't hiring, but that's because we're federally funded, and Congress is dysfunctional. But if you have a CS degree, you'll definitely be able to find a job with salary/benefits

if it was something like "here at Some Company, we have a can-do attitude--'it can't be done' isn't part of our vocabulary!", I would just consider that marketing bullshit. But if it's in a bulleted list of "job responsibilities" or "applicant traits", that might be an issue.

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't read too much into it. Still can probe during the interviews

[analog sun]

"Hustle" in a job description is a red flag on its own

[peak halo]

I was going to say that it's probably just marketing that's spilled over into HR. But it sounds like glassdoor is corroborating.

[vapid jay]

I always thought that consulting was no sense.
But apparently there's lot's of people willing to pay for it huh

Yet I find it hard to comprehend why someone would pay X over Y

[regal axle]

There are lots of reasons to hire consultants.
Maybe they have experience in some complicated matter and you don’t want to waste resources making the mistakes they can tell you about.
Maybe you need some 3rd party, non involved, perspective. Some fresh eyes
Or maybe you already know what needs to be done but you want someone to blame if it doesn’t go well. This last one is common enough

[tidal gazelle]

If I am in high school now and would likely be looking for a job by around 2028/2029, would it be a good idea to look into doing engineering, specifically mechanical? As in the demand and pay, if anyone knows. Hope this question isn't too broad

[fringe sphinx]

Agree... altho I've worked with some engineers who were frustrating nay-sayers. Even as their manager, it was a a fight to get them to work on something they didn't want to (kinda the job of a manager: assigning tasks)

[vapid jay]

I mean you can just ask the net... It's free (mostly)
The amount of nosense that I am asked at work, is surprising, and I find even more surprising that someone is paying for it

[regal axle]

But how do you know the net is giving a good answer? Or that it can? At least with real people, I can know your background and who you are. And build my trust around your credibility.
The net isn’t always right. And nor are consultants. But for some problems, that credibility is worth the $$

[analog sun]

I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering. It is a very flexible degree

[vapid jay]

I was going to say nor are consultants. Likely I am not the right demographic, as I would never pay one, unless I am forced to.
Most issues are about reading the docs that nobody reads or trying ~randomly till you get the issue fixed

[fringe sphinx]

What's wrong with consultants? Not sure I follow.

[vapid jay]

I don't get why someone would pay for it, although I am a consulatant myself (at the end of the day), but I work under a company.
Most of the guys are either i-word or forced to deal with us due to legal stuff.

[fringe sphinx]

There's lots of types of consultants (and contractors)... from low value to high value work.

For example, I often consult with companies that don't have well established data engineering processes.

Sometimes that turns into a deeper client relationship, but sometimes it's just some advice I deliver that they'll never follow.

[vapid jay]

Yet every consultant is high value, whereas the competitors is low value, often under the pretext of "quality" you give more value to one own activity.
All I see is big BS.

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're arguing that expertise is simply the acquisition of knowledge, and discounting any benefit of experience.

[vapid jay]

More a rant about how I am paid to do consulting under a company, and suggested by peers to do consulting in my own, but even if I tried in the past, I was never able to acquire any long lasting client.
So to sum up, I'd like to know how/what did I do wrong?

[white relic]

finding and retaining clients is hard
this is pretty true no matter what field you're trying to freelance in

[tidal gazelle]

In 5 years will the demand be high?

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, I did independent consulting for a while. I had a pretty good network due to a previously imploded startup, but also took an interest in the business and product mgmt side of things.

Finding clients was very random.

[white relic]

Nobody knows what will happen in the next 5 years. But there is no particular reason to believe that demand for engineering skills is going to crater

[gritty rivet]

The projections in the US are pretty positive: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/mechanical-engineers.htm

[analog sun]

As long as something needs to be built, removed, get hot, get cold, move, or stay still mechanical engineers will be needed

[fringe sphinx]

(Until the heat death of the universe, of course)

[analog sun]

True true

[hearty island]

ok guys this may seem small, but i just got another online interview!

[lucid citrus]

Do you guys use chatgpt for your work?

Many use it to be lazy making me real mad

[buoyant seal]

Nope 😅 i tried using it a bit with AWS Q offered version for questioning.
But it generated so much bullshit that... i grew dissapointed.
What's the point to use Bullshit generating stuff, when u can read more truthful documentation ^_^

[lucid citrus]

well, it's bad "for now" don't you think? Do you feel like you gonna use it again?
Before they generate bad video quality now its hyper-realistic in just 1 years

[near ocean]

Its fairly easy to tell when people use it
Smack down PRs that look like it

[lucid citrus]

hmmm...yeah
Tbh, AI is truly a unique technology it can learn have self-improvement, and most of the stuff humans can do. It will alive in a few years or sooner

But do they even bother setting boundaries for it? Or are we just slowly walking to our demise?

[buoyant seal]

i think the problem is with people not understanding limitations of the used technology.
current neural networking/language model stuff is just not able to generate... quality answers in the world of software development
where any single mistake or lack of understanding leads to compiling or runtime errors, or even worse, semantic mistakes made due to lack of understanding of used technology.
As much as people like to put LLM to use for every usage case... that's just the wrong case.
you need more powerful... technology/foundation to build smth giving quality here.
And u can't improve something built upon a shitty foundation.

TLDR: what u wish i think can be achieved only with opening revolutionary new technology. (likelyhood of which is very low, just passing of time is not enough to open new miracle tech)

[near ocean]

Its not your demise, its just another tool

[crimson jolt]

Hey guys, I’m new to the computer science world I’m currently in school studying for python first then once I master this move onto C#, Java and Java script. Can yall recommend any videos or books or practice simulations that will help me understand how to code properly? I really want to learn this stuff and get ahead of school

[buoyant seal]

Or are we just slowly walking to our demise?
at this moment, my biggest concern is probably being taken advantage of participating in development with shitty devs using this AI
and me being forced to deal with... results of code just "generated" without lack of understanding or any quality
So... i don't wish to pay with my life time for other people making... ... bullshit.
My life is short, and I desire building quality stuff. Not dealing with problems araised from people using solutions even worse to boilerplate code than django rest framework and wordpress.
P.S. if u wish super fast development in terms of API, u can use DRF. it will be blazingly fast 😅

Hmm... that's probably a good question to add to list of questions needed being asked during interview to some company probably.
if they use unit testing, use git, if they don't use llm to generate code and etc

[lucid citrus]

I can see the problem with using AI is we don't understand what it just generated. And making braindead devs think they are qualified for the position but it turns out there are other braindead devs that also do the same thing and use the same AI. I can see a lot of expert devs on Upwork that use AI for their profile and cuz of that they might also use AI for their work. I'm shocked that there are so many imposters on freelance platforms.

They just might not be good at communication but that's still unprofessional to me

[gritty rivet]

The most valuable practice is to build useful and/or fun stuff.

If you're only learning basic Python right now, text-based games are a good place to start.

[crimson jolt]

Where would I be able to practice building ?

[buoyant seal]

Well, the problem with this AI generated stuff... that those unqualified developers resort to wasting a lot of time from other people in debugging all their... questionable code 😅
That's in my opinion a real problem.
So... best to identify such "devs"... and shutting down when they ask questions in pursuit of debugging their... code generated as bullshit tbh.
Helping debugging their stuff does not improve them, it is just a waste of time resources at this point i think

[gritty rivet]

Wherever you write code

[lucid citrus]

Yeah and there are also braindead clients who willing to pay hundreds of dollars for such devs

[buoyant seal]

!rule 10 was added and it was a good decision

[inner wren]

Rules

10. Do not copy and paste answers from ChatGPT or similar AI tools.

[lucid citrus]

Absolutely what is the point of asking people here if you can seek for AI help lol

[buoyant seal]

Freelancing business is rather scammy and difficult to quickly check for dev credentials in the first place.
U need to be basically... dev, having developers of right expertise to evaluate if u were scammed or not

[lucid citrus]

yeah, I just hope that when go to freelance upwork I will avoid scam clients and not work with shitty devs. I'm currently learning vba try to master it
I have gone so deep into the language I don't remember how I got here in the first place

[near ocean]

Why are you learning VBA?

[lucid citrus]

its easy, and I love excel

I want to learn a programming language to understand how coding works.

[vapid jay]

Hey guys, I decided to stop taking the shotgun approach and messaged a recruiter directly on linkedin, I thought it was a good message but no such luck. Any advice?

[buoyant seal]

i talked recently with experienced freelancer (more than 10 or 20 years working as front/fullstack)
apperently encountering quality software development is rather rare during freelancing.
Likelyhood of working in codebase having types/unit tests/docker/CI/monitoring systems/and other dev pleasantries (even just having Git) is very small.

[gritty rivet]

If you're getting zero interviews, it's usually a resume issue. You can share anonymized screenshots here for feedback

[vapid jay]

I haven't sent a resume out yet. I have a project to finish before I do that.

[near ocean]

VBA would do little to help you there, pick a more popular language

[buoyant seal]

likelyhood of having pleasant development with VBA is around 0.01%
It is not really a language made for... average multipurpose development you know and having ecosystem around it to develop in a good way

[near ocean]

I enjoyed it but it didnt teach me anything transferrable, you do VBA you only learn VBA

[lucid citrus]

right It's still early so I can withdraw with ease. What programming language do you recommend investing in?

[buoyant seal]

what is your educational background and which educational facilities do u visit and or plan to graduate
what is your desired development field also: server side, desktop, mobile, embedded, web frontend, data science or smth else

[near ocean]

Python, js, go, c#, java, pick one

[gritty rivet]

You're on a Python server, why not start there 😉

[lucid citrus]

I was thinking about going solo and yeah It is also only for Excel applications, Marcos, interactive dashboards, and other office apps like Word and PowerPoint they can interact with each other using vba. But that's it

[lucid citrus]

Good point. But what do you guys usually Python for? I'm only know about data stuff with python

[vapid jay]

So, look. . . .Until you go pro? That question isn't really useful to you. It's like. . . .Most 3D artists start with Blender or Daz3D, and when they go pro they go to other tools that are easily picked up due to Blenders skill ceiling.

[buoyant seal]

python is usable for rapid scripting/system administrator and devops stuff/data science(+machine learning) and rapid backend development
javascript/typescript is usable for rapid frontend/backend/desktop and mobile development (technically usable for system administrator/devops stuff too)
java is usable for slower but more quality backend/desktop/mobile development.
C# is usable for quality windows desktop development, and some slow but quality backend development (tied to Azure/windows heavily, but tries to migrate to linux)
golang is usable for slower but quality server side and dev instruments and other things.
All those languages are actually multipurpose... just some things are done better by one than another one.

[vapid jay]

For now, Python can be used for anything and everything just like any language. The fact that Large Language Models are built using Python is pretty telling of its uses.

[lucid citrus]

So the point is I can pick any language above and learn them and can still be versatile for many different tasks

[buoyant seal]

actually no. U will be asked also knowing relevant technologies to your speciality, knowing different specialized stuff
Like if going for backend development in any language, u will be asked also for knowledge of relational databases, about unit testing, linux, docker potentially, clean code writing skills, web frameworks and etc

So... while language does offer many choices where to specialize... u still need to specialize. language itself is not enough

[vapid jay]

tbh, that's a heavy and cumbersome way for him to think. He's new. He shouldn't even be thinking about specializing yet. He should just. want to make things with code and get the ball rolling.

Not to contradict your expertise, Darkwing. It's just : If somebody told me back then what you're telling me now? I'd not want to code ever.

[buoyant seal]

well... ideally should be thinking of getting CS degree, then there will be plenty of time to try everything and specialize later 😅
otherwise can be a point to make a choice a bit earlier

[lucid citrus]

I'm curious if this is how they taught in college and academy. Going specialized right away? I'm still in high school and decided to choose CS for next year college

[buoyant seal]

mm no... we were taught a lot of generic core software development stuff in languages like C/C++ which 98%+ of us are highly likely not even going to be using after graduation anyway.
We tried different languages like C#, Python and multiple others to solve different problems.
We had 50 shades of higher maths and solved it with programming too.
We practiced in all of this stuff from 4 to 6 years during university

After that pickiping up some language and choosing to specialize in something chosen was not a problem... even if we started self studying our speciality only after graduation

It would have been still nice if i knew where i wish to go a bit earlier.

it takes so much bloody time to learn language at the level of its best practices and ecosystem.
Hard tbh self studying while having full time work
It would have been nice if did a good majority of work of getting used to tech stack i wished during uni.... eh

the biggest problem was though i did not know during uni what i wished to work with :/ So... how could i have learned stuff i desire... if i did not know what i desire.

[gritty frigate]

Can anyone tell me how we can highlight return types of functions like these in python in vscode i am done lot of research not getting how to do that tried extensions also.

hey please anyone there

[lucid citrus]

oh, that's why you tell me to go specialize. To save time

[gritty rivet]

Wrong channel, try #editors-ides

[buoyant seal]

yeah... it is hard to pick up for example Java, and fullfiling my desire modding minecraft mods while having full time job
hard to get used to it while having so little time during work.
but saving time is not the only reason.

Languages/ecosystems u will be good knowing at the time of graduation, will be opening for you your potential future jobs
you will be highly likely sought as junior depending on what u know best
So... depending on that, your highly likely jobs can be decided in advance... it is nice to navigate here and potentially choosing something more to your liking
than stucking with something random in language u just.. used from time to time.
or knowing only languages that get you chances to only specific types of jobs that may be u did not desire

[lucid citrus]

yes I can see the benefit of setting an early goal here.
And your desired job is Minecraft mod dev?

[buoyant seal]

ergh.. my current desire to pursue quality Java Backend development (Development of server side web logic deployed to Linux servers)
Conveniently having expertise in Java i would have been easier able to fulfill desire of doing as hobby Minecraft modding 😄
I like that with Java we have also optional choices of doing Desktop (Crossplatform from linux developing is okay!) and Mobile development (java is language to go for Android dev, and i like android). Interesting language opening many roads, even if having a bit of legacy a lot of stuff
This language is not without disadvantages though... some stuff is very outdated in some places in it 😅 i am still interested and willing to pay the price and language is super popular
TLDR: very multipurpose language pretty much giving options for development of all stuff i am interested in.

[gritty rivet]

If you're not looking to do "data stuff" then what are you looking to do?

JavaScript is another good beginner language if you're interested in doing front end / full stack web stuff

[lucid citrus]

Choosing a path is critical. My time and youth is finite perhaps I could try to do random things with the language and figure out what I actually want to be

[lucid citrus]

hmm...I'm curious about what mod you created do you mind sharing it?:)

also, I just get started so out of all , minecraft modding is the thing i understand the most 😄

[buoyant seal]

still learning Java ^_^
I already learned only Python, Golang, different backend and devops ecosystem related stuff
As hobby developed things for Discovery Freelancer community around space simulator game

• different dev instruments.
  Everything pretty much as pet projects made in Golang so far. Very productive language for me, as this language answers to things i keep looking for.

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[dapper depot]

!cban 1219248758961864766 ad spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @mighty thunder permanently.

[vale lava]

Hey everyone,

I'm currently at a crossroads in university where I need to choose a specialization.
I'm torn between Information Systems(IS) and Data Science and AI(DSAI).

I was hoping to get opinions from those working/having experience in these fields to help list pros and cons for each specialization.
Orr any guidance on how to approach making a decision for this would be greatly appreciated.
My main problem right now is uncertainty about where to focus my efforts.
I believe if I have a clear vision, it would help me work towards that goal effectively.

My IS course has
IT Systems Integration, Systems Deployment & Implementation, Web Server Management, Human Computer Interaction, Mobile App Technologies, and some electives.

My DSAI course has
Machine Learning, Parallel & Distributed Computing, Fundamentals of AI, IoT Application Development, Data Analysis & Visualization, Applied Deep Learning & Neural Network, and some electives.

A bit heavy and long winded but any pointers would be greatly appreciated <3

[lucid citrus]

Discovery Freelancer looks incredible in the trailer how is it so unpopular? Some games just came out like Lethal Company already received a huge welcome

[buoyant seal]

uh. i'll be honest that this trailer is around 1000 times cooler than the game itself 😅
It is very niche fan game tbh. The game itself is from 2003 year, and the main point of community that it is Role Playing one at the level of forum and game.
The mechanics of game itself are rather... ergh... very 2003 year. Community is not even having proper access to source code, things are built on top of dissasembled with Assembly stuff.
It is very... tricky journey.
TLDR: it is small close community of people who liked Freelancer space simulator and able to go roleplaying

[lucid citrus]

a very old game indeed. How are they still alive with a small community

[buoyant seal]

https://www.top10films.co.uk/img/die-hard-christmas-gif2.gif
Die hard fans keep it going. Roleplayers are very persistent and invested emotionally into the game. Plus thanks to the great Alex that keeps servers online and rebuilds dlls

We have a small community joke... that no player is ever leaving it for forever.
"This is Freeport 7, see you in a week" is said to those who leave (this is phrase from the beginning of a single player campaign hehe)

[vale lava]

Also Id appreciate if you ping while replying

[lucid citrus]

A lot of potential like space exploration, space battle but the graphics look outdated

Like rn games are using hyper-realistic graphic to draw attention and hype

[buoyant seal]

well, our community is able to play on really ancient PCs 😄
Plus we have roleplaying
plus it is free! Community is often joining developers to continue participation as more than players
It is kind of very fun you know... being more than player
Or being a player in a game that is shaped through roleplay to different directions

It is like Dungeon and Dragons already 17 years going roleplaying campaign tbh, augmented by space sumulator.

[misty zenith]

If I were choosing, I would check some career and job advertising sites, and see what kind of jobs, both paths would give, in terms of open jobs, and salaries. Check out deloitte.com Insight Tech Trends 2024 and such like, to see the real world application of very modern technologies. And look at how much demand there is, and what job opportunities there are, for different IT sectors.

[jade rampart]

Guys I want to prepare myself this year to start taking interviews and get a full time job.

I want to be a backend developer, pretty general, but I really enjoy everything, though I think I've done the most developing API's.

My problem is, I dont know what things to study and learn to add to my resume, what projects I can work on to show the the potential employer, and then, how to prepare for interviews.

Help is much appreciated 🙏

[lucid citrus]

yeah, I would say it is very underrated. A masterpiece that has been overshadowed by AAA game

[vale lava]

Thank you! Will check it out.

[near ocean]

Do you have a degree? You mentioned before that you want to emigrate to the EU (?)
You will struggle to get a work visa without a degree

[jade rampart]

I'm a citizen of both Italy and Czech Republic.

I'm at my second year of CS. But I know I can progress much more by working directly instead of studying in uni.

[near ocean]

Ok, the argentina tag you have on your nickname is confusing lol

[jade rampart]

Yes sorry

[glass silo]

hello people, im an undergrad (about to graduate in a year) and applying for internships. could someone comment about ML roles (in CV/img proc) considering my basics are done, and I have worked on Liver Tumour segmentation (0.94, 0.7 dice) and detecting ZnO nanostructures (96%), Can i expect for an interview at least with these projects?

ive prepared my own dataset for detecting ZnO nanostructures - by writing a sim in Unity and I was able to get very good results

also feel free to recommend me to another place if this isn't

[near ocean]

Do both
Apply and work at internships while youre studying

Dropping out of your studies and praying to find work is not a sustainable tactic

[jade rampart]

I meant more like finding a job and then dropping when the year ends, after passing my exams.

[jade rampart]

But in Argentina you work for nothing, the pay here is horrible

[near ocean]

Wdym dropping here, the point is to finish your degree

[jade rampart]

I feel like the degree isnt really necessary if you can show that you can work in the industry

[peak halo]

!cban 1179865717609353258 racist meme

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @hardy jolt permanently.

[jade rampart]

wtf

[near ocean]

Why would anyone take a dropout seriously?

[jade rampart]

to start working

and gain realy experience

[near ocean]

Why would they employ a dropout when there are tons of grads with the same ability or better

[jade rampart]

First because having a degree doesnt stricly mean you can work better than someone that doesnt have one, and second because they will pay less

If this was medicine, civil engeneering, and things that DO require a degree, we wouldnt even discuss it. But its a fact that you can get a job without having a degree if you are well prepared.

Now, even though I know its possible, I need help and recommendations with the things I asked initially, and I think I'm no one to discuss about that, so I'm all ears.

[near ocean]

Its also a fact that you can win the lottery but i wouldnt quit my job over it

[jade rampart]

Well I think that comment doesnt have a link with what we are talking about :/

[pine sleet]

well you can get a job without having a degree and you don't even have to be well prepared or hard working or anything like that, but since this is a python server's career discussion channel and the type of jobs we're most interested in is engineering jobs, a degree is almost always requried

[jade rampart]

Why would a degree be required if the employer doesnt need one?

[near ocean]

The link is that you shouldnt be planning for this super slim chance and instead get your degree and do internships like the majority of successful software devs

[analog sun]

For future employers

[jade rampart]

Sure, some employers will ask for the degree, but it's not like I want to work in a specific business, I just want to start working in the industry.

[smoky quest]

you wouldn't get the same job with or without degree

[smoky quest]

It's like saying you can work in a hospital. Sure, anyone can work in a hospital, but the person cleaning the toilets won't have the same career as the neurosurgeon

[jade rampart]

I talk a lot with my uncle, he is a college dropout, and he has been working for 10 years and is now at a senior position. Why wouldnt I achieve the same?

[smoky quest]

you can be a senior toilet cleaner. That won't be related to the neurosurgeon

[jade rampart]

But lets not use those examples where having a degree is compulsory

[jade rampart]

You know I didnt mention my uncle for being a senior toilet cleaner...

[smoky quest]

I guarantee you he is not doing the same job than people with more education either 😉
And he doesn't have access to the same jobs either

[near ocean]

Why don't you ask him then? What is his advice

[jade rampart]

Guaranteeing something that you dont know with certainty is not always good.

On the other hand, salary talks by itself.

[smoky quest]

how much does he make?

[jade rampart]

I already did, but I want different points of view.

[pine sleet]

we never said it's impossible

[near ocean]

Well what did he say and how is it different from what youre reading here

[pine sleet]

there are actually many successful people in the industry without degrees

but there are even more people who tried and failed

[jade rampart]

Please understand me guys, I'm not trying to be arrogant, I'm just discussing about what I want to achieve and the different paths I see.

[pine sleet]

you just don't hear about them

[smoky quest]

I am not trying to debate either.
I am just stating how the market is

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[white torrent]

I think the point others are making here is that without having a degree or currently working towards one, the opportunities available to you are super limited compared to others who are working towards a degree or have one already

[jade rampart]

I see.

But I would start at entry level, while Juniors might be at mid level

[pine sleet]

how are you differentiating entry level and mid level

[analog sun]

A CS grad would also be entry level

[white torrent]

I know that there may be a slight difference between them, but in most places an entry level engineer is a junior engineer

[jade rampart]

entry for someone new to the industy, first job

[pine sleet]

typically the convention is that juniors start entry level

[jade rampart]

Btw, someone that studies by himself and starts projects, will know much more than a cs student that just follows classes and does nothing but that

[smoky quest]

schools do have projects and internships too 😉
You also study things you wouldn't know exist otherwise

[jade rampart]

Super basic projects.

[pine sleet]

obviously. but there are a lot of CS students that do classes, have great internships, have great projects, contributed to open source, etc

[smoky quest]

that's just wishful thinking.
School based projects are rather quite competitive nowadays

[jade rampart]

Okay so it's clear to me that the general opinion is that getting the degree is the way to go.

So, then my question would be, what can I work on to make money while I study?

Can I work for another country perhaps? Salaries in Argentina are 💩

[pine sleet]

the people that just want the degree and go through classes and do nothing else will get weeded out early, you don't have to worry about them. the people you will be competing with will have all the stuff you do + the degree

[smoky quest]

Salaries are based on your location, not the company's location.
So you will tend to be paid based on what someone in argentina would be paid for your level of experience. And if you are aiming at freelancing or other global markets, then you are in competition with other skilled people from countries with low cost of living

[pine sleet]

what can I work on to make money while I study?
If you're in university, you can get CS internships that will pay you

if you want to work to subsidize your education, you can instead also look into loans and federal grants

[near ocean]

You could also get a different type of job, doesnt have to be a tech job if money is the goal

[jade rampart]

Education is free here, depending what uni you go for

[pine sleet]

that's great then! you don't have to worry about financing your education, which is an additional burden many college students in other places have to deal with

[jade rampart]

In my case, I go to the University of Buenos Aires.

[jade rampart]

I see the issue then...

It might be worth for me just coding personal projects, since a low salary wont change my life thank god.

[pine sleet]

great plan

make sure your personal projects are impactful or show your technical expertise, since many of your classmates will be doing the same thing

[jade rampart]

I want a tech job that pays decent based on the time I work.

But sadly, salaries here are mediocre, and if it's my only option, then I might just do open source or whatever you guys recommend.

There isnt a general rule on what to code though, right?

I just need to come up with ideas?

I've always wanted to come up with a sellable product and make money off it but I find that complicated haha.

[pine sleet]

do whatever is interesting or useful to you

if you can make a monetizable product that's actually successful, that puts you ahead of the curve of most CS students

[plush summit]

Yeah wouldn t say uni is easy we build complicated fullstack websites now and next week we gonna merg multiple websites into each other with different backends and databases and im Just a 1st year

[near ocean]

Tech jobs everywhere pay much more than most other jobs in the same area

If you live in argentina with argentina expenses a tech job should pay you relatively well

[jade rampart]

Then my uni is shit

[plush summit]

What do you do then?

[jade rampart]

Idk my uni is supposed to be at least top 3 at tech

But in cs we do lots of maths, not as much programming as I'd like

[plush summit]

I mean we had just couple weeks of math in the beginning dor 2 months with a test and that was it

[pine sleet]

that's kind of how CS is

coding is easy so they dont teach it much

[near ocean]

😎

[buoyant seal]

Or professors are just so old and dissattached from industry, that they don't know what to teach in terms of software development. But they know math and they can teach that instead ^_^.

[pulsar umbra]

is sololearn a good website to use to learn how to code

[gritty rivet]

When you're starting from zero, it's a good way to practice the basics

Real learning happens when you build stuff though

[plush summit]

How do you not use git lol we used it in the 2nd month of uni alr and in every group project

[smoky quest]

We were never taught version control management. All the students just picked it up on their own

There are more interesting things for school to teach

[plush summit]

For us it was Just pick it up on your own read docs you need it gl 🙂 but not hard so it is fine

[jade rampart]

That... So why would I even go to school, if at the end of the day, my employer wants me to know how to code.

[pine sleet]

they dont need you to just code

theres a lot more to it

[smoky quest]

anyone can code, that's super basic and why you have people without degree in the basic roles.
The hard part is what you do with the code.

[summer roost]

CS degrees teach theory, not technical skills, for the most part.

[topaz tusk]

Hi, what can I use python for as a mechanical engineer?

[jade rampart]

How can theory help me that plain programming wont.

[summer roost]

it helps you understand what code needs to be written

[jade rampart]

Not like theory is impossible to learn without getting a degree

[jade rampart]

This means that those that dont have a degree dont know what code to write?

[summer roost]

they're less likely to know what code to write than someone with a better theoretical grounding, exactly

this isn't binary, of course. Some people without degrees will have better theoretical knowledge than some people with degrees. But in aggregate, people with degrees are more likely to have better understanding of computer science theory than people without degrees, and in aggregate, people with better understanding of the theory are more likely to build maintainable, scalable, performant systems than people with a worse understanding of that theory.

[balmy spade]

You don't know what you don't know. That's where a structured learning course (with a degree at the end) comes in with a strength. It's also, generally, easier to enter the workforce with a degree.

[true harness]

e.g., will you know what database indexes to add, and how to best utilize them? or decide if you want to normalize certain tables or not? these things don't need to be learned in a course, but if you've never even heard of normalization before, it will be difficult to seek out that information

[shrewd plover]

Hey. I'm in my final year and currently doing an internship in a startup as a developer
Lowkey I hate the work here. Should I switch my field to AI or go for M.Tech in India

[summer roost]

what do you hate about the work?

[shrewd plover]

Well the culture and all is good here
But the type of work they're doing might mess my profile alot
I know that the market is rough these days so I was thinking of dropping this work and will work on myself

[summer roost]

what type of work are they doing?

[shrewd plover]

They develop chat bots
service based stuff basically

[summer roost]

so - you say "should I switch my field to AI" - what's your field currently?

[shrewd plover]

Bot development
They're not developing AI Chat bots
They develop bots which you see at the sides of website
Customer help section

[summer roost]

I see

do you think that you'd find AI more interesting?

[shrewd plover]

I recently was checking a little on it
Done till linear regression but then the work load exploded

Till now it's good idk what will be best in future

[tough salmon]

we used git in our first programming course, and in most courses after that

[balmy mural]

I believe that's why more degrees called software engineering or something similar are starting to pop up as alternatives to CS degrees. They don't go as deep into the theory, but they also give more practical knowledge. I didn't do git in uni, but imo it's something that the basics can be learned in a day on your own and then wherever you start working you learn the extra bits required to slot into your team's branch management strategy. So I don't see the value it brings for a uni to teach that

[mystic violet]

Chat, is doing this with other aspiring students a good idea?

Like teaming/partnering up

You get what I am saying?

Teamwork makes the dreamwork

[smoky quest]

Having group projects can be a formative and interesting experience. Having only group project would hurt though

[mystic violet]

hm

[stray prairie]

So question as a current UNI student here:

• What projects are worth doing that can add more into my resume or portfolio than others?

• Is there better ways than UNI at the moment to learn CS and enter a career for? Asking so I know what to do if I want to take a break, so any information would do good on that.

[sage chasm]

in my pov having a project related to game development and integrating AI to it is a plus

[smoky quest]

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

In terms of projects, the main thing is to do something. The nature of the project doesn't matter as much as the skills demonstrated. To that end, do something that interests you so you are more likely to spend time on it and go deeper.
You can also pick a project from school and go deeper than what was asked

[stray prairie]

I see

[smoky quest]

also to note that at your stage, there are many areas you don't even know exist.
So don't try to hyper specialize now. It's still super valuable to explore and try new things. So try to make robots, games, OS kernels, mobile apps, compression tools, encryption tools or even your own programming language

[stray prairie]

OS kernels, discord bots, encryption sounds fun

[kindred oyster]

a "deployed project" ( ex a website you made for someone whcich is now live) or an app that solves a day to day problem you have , etc would be a plus imo

[buoyant seal]

What projects are worth doing that can add more into my resume or portfolio than others?
we can clarify here, best are project that are in use.

it can be smth even silly as Minecraft Mod. but as long as it is in use even by just few users, has feedback for real users and improved from time to time, living its software development life, it will be awesome to resume

projects that meet demands of any real users are always great, instead of being made in vacuum and not used

[buoyant seal]

Is there better ways than UNI at the moment to learn CS and enter a career for? Asking so I know what to do if I want to take a break, so any information would do good on that.
uni is best way currently
but... you can help yourself tremendously by having extra self studies of getting used to specific language/best practices/ecosystem around it.
it takes time to get comfortable to specific language and development of specific area (backend, mobile, desktop and etc)
if u will manage to save yourself time here and get familiar with smth earlier (it takes a lot of time to get really comfortable and being capable fastly solving daily problems in different areas of development/language)
you will help yourself in terms of easier getting jobs after graduation

[stray prairie]

Hmmm, ok ok, thanks for this

Because I thought about taking a break to not only regain my thoughts on UNI but also do more research so I don't fall behind if I do decide to take a break.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't think of projects as 'resume bullets' but as ways to become a better engineer. What makes you a good candidate for a good job is competency: while it seems like the resume is the thing that holds you back, you still need to have substance when you get your shot. Two strategies for project selection; depth (pick something you've done before, and go deeper) or breadth (pick a topic you know nothing about... it doesn't matter what).

[idle quartz]

#python-discussion

[lucid citrus]

Do you guys think its disadvantage to be born in the later generation in term of career?
I was born after the computer and coding stuff were invented, It was until im 18 that I decided to start career, and see so many senior most of them are very old like middle age, old people. They also adapted the latest technologies too. None of them are in their 20s tho

[white relic]

see so many senior most of them are very old like middle age, old people
look up "senior" in a dictionary?
it would be surprising if seniors were the same average age as juniors

in other words, of course people with more experience in the field are older

[vapid jay]

Should i ask my question about selenium in #web-development ?

Qui sait coder bdfd?

[fringe sphinx]

Best to start in #python-discussion or open a help thread #❓｜how-to-get-help

[buoyant seal]

I find people born later being actually at advantage in terms of having access to more already established practices and ecosystems to do development in a good way
i find a great advantage in people already having written a lot of wonderful books explaining how to do things better.
They had to discovery things with bloody experience and wasting many many years, while we have advantage to consume their experience and manage to acomplish more within our lifetime.

Ergh.... not everything created later is a good thing though... but still there is a big choice to navigate across.

[onyx roost]

totally agree with this

[hearty island]

what the fuck is this

yo this is some bullshit

at least amazon put some assesment

[rocky fulcrum]

wheres a good freelancing place to sell my coding services for money? besides fiverr of course

[hearty island]

neither do i man

[white relic]

personally I feel spanished

[rocky fulcrum]

como estas?

[wild skiff]

In a regular expression, + and * sign mean? I kinda forgot which one meant which

[digital fjord]

+ is one or more, * is zero or more

[lapis wind]

wrong channel but https://regexr.com cheat sheet is your friend

[wild skiff]

Ty

[fringe sphinx]

Check them all 🙂

[paper sundial]

10 original attributes and then just a bunch of synonyms

[zealous topaz]

hey guys. question:
as a junior dev with 1 year experience, should I only do exactly what I was asked to do or one step further which may or may not be in wrong direction?

[whole flare]

@crimson viper ads aren't allowed

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[lapis wind]

I'd say that really depends on what it is you're doing.

Generally, it is a good idea to not over-engineer things since the extra features or what not you implement may never be used or have side effects that aren't desired.
But, if you're asked to implement something and you think there is a more suitable way of doing that thing or something that might warrant a discussion around the implementation or issue itself, then I'd raise it with your team, tech lead, whoever.

The problem is it can be hard as a junior to actually know when the right time is for these things or not, which tends to come with time and feel, along with changing from team to team.

[near ocean]

Dont go and do your own thing
If you want go a step further theres a proper way and a not so proper way
Finish your tasks and ask your manager about what else is to be done, whether any coworker needs help, etc

[digital fjord]

I would strongly suggest against just going off on your own and doing things without consulting anyone, but if you want to show intiative, ask to be assigned something you think is valuable. If your manager is unresponsive to such requests, it may be time to look for new employment. Be a team player.

[gritty rivet]

Real pros rely on word of mouth, but other than Fiverr there is of course Upwork

[mortal kite]

Does anyone have any recommendations for books, articles, databases, etc. of common interview questions?

[toxic condor]

i want to be a back-end dev, but i was told that python is no good programming language to back-end, is that right? i like programming with python, i want to be a back-end dev though. How is the job market to python? is python good to back end?

[fringe sphinx]

Backend doesn't really mean anything, so I wouldn't overthink it. There's lots of Python programming jobs, and you may end up working in multiple languages (Python+others), depending on the job.

[toxic condor]

ok! thanks

[wind cedar]

Does high school leadership matter as a college student looking for internships/job?

[white relic]

Probably not a lot, but what else do you have?

In other words, if you're considering what to put on your resume, is there anything better you're going to put on there over high school activities?

[near ocean]

i would imagine if it mattered at any point in life it would be then

[white relic]

Depending on where you are in your college education, that could be a yes or a no

[buoyant seal]

Python is very backend popular and ecosystem mature language for that. Pretty okay.
There will be for long time a lot of jobs for python backend.

It can be not that good choice only for pedantic people seeking a bit more building more easy to maintain in long term code, but that is another story

[gritty rivet]

You should look to see who's hiring for what in your city / country and what languages / frameworks they're looking for

I write APIs in pure Python all day but I wouldn't necessarily say it's simple to find a lot of jobs like mine

[toxic condor]

thanks guys

[wind cedar]

A lot, to give context im a senior in college

[wind cedar]

Ofc

[white relic]

This is the last point in your career at which anything you did in high school might possibly matter

Speaking in Western and specifically American terms at least

[oak sparrow]

Feels good living where school is valued very highly

[white relic]

It really depends on what you did in high school demonstrates skills that the rest of your resume does not. If you've got projects, previous internships, anything that shows basically the same stuff, going back to high school probably isn't relevant

[wind cedar]

So it wouldn’t matter or have any affect on my internships/job search?

[oak sparrow]

we get to work at companies during our studies 🙂

[wind cedar]

It’s just general clubs that are relevant to my major, that I got leadership positions for. But I already got leadership positions from a club I did in college that’s more relevant. I feel like that’ll have more of an effect on my internship/job search since it’s from college thus I feel like I should have leadership from college on my LinkedIn/resume and leadership from high school should be removed from my LinkedIn/resume

[white relic]

I would generally agree with that unless something you did in high school really stands out.

[wind cedar]

Im gonna still include the clubs I was involved in hs since that’s what ultimately led me to choose cs as a major, and explain what I did in those clubs. But I feel like I should remove the high school leadership since it’ll have no affect on my internships/job anyways and college leadership will. So I’ll just have that instead of having both high school leadership and college leadership there. Another reason why I wanna remove high school leadership is to make my LinkedIn profile more cleaner as well

[wind cedar]

It’s just regular clubs, idk what you mean by standout

[wind cedar]

@white relic what do you think?

[smoky quest]

it comes down to whether or not you have the space for it and whether or not you have something more interesting

And there is a question in the back of my mind about why you don't have something more interesting?

[wind cedar]

I have the space for it, but I don’t think its going to impact my internship/job search whatsoever. The college leadership will impact my internship/job search more so I want that to be the only highlight of the leadership I did since that’s what’s going to impact my internship/job search as oppose to also having high school leadership there which won’t impact my internship job search thus being a distraction. Also it makes my profile more clean by having just leadership I did in college. I’ll still have the clubs I did in high school since that’s what ultimately led me to choose cs, and how I contributed to those clubs. But I feel like mentioning leadership is meaningless and it’ll distract the recruiters from what will actually impact my internship/job search which would be college leadership

[wind cedar]

I do

[smoky quest]

no one will care about why and how the clubs in HS lead you to pick CS. Save these for discussions once you are hired.
Talking too much about your HS in terms of clubs and leadership might give the impression you peaked in HS.

[smoky quest]

The implication there is that you would have so many interesting things to talk about that there would be no space for HS topics

[wind cedar]

@smoky quest I’m just saying I’m going to have clubs I did in high school, and how I was involved in them for content. I’m just removing the leadership from those clubs I did in high school cause it won’t have any impact on my internships/job search. And leaving the college leadership there only since it will have an impact on my internship/job search on my LinkedIn profile

[smoky quest]

right. And I am saying you would have a much higher ROI by saving that space from your high shcool clubs and putting more projects instead

If you have the space for HS clubs, you should remove them and add more stuff you did in college

[wind cedar]

i will put projects, but theres no harm in adding clubs i did in high school as well. so many linkedin profiles add clubs they did in high school

why are you against that?

[smoky quest]

• Your resume should fit in a single page. So the space should be very scarce
• You are focusing on something no one cares but you and might be a distraction from the focus points which demonstrate how awesome you are.

[wind cedar]

im not talking about resume, i am talking about linkedin profile

[smoky quest]

alright, it changes things slightly.
Doesn't matter as much, but make sure it's not over indexed. There should still be far more things from college than HS, otherwise it might become a flag

[true harness]

these might be interesting to bring up in an interview, but it will be difficult to tell that story on a resume

[wind cedar]

ofc

[wind cedar]

im not referring to resume, i am referring to linkedin profile

[wind cedar]

but you think what i mentioned about only having college leadership makes sense, since thats the only thing that will impact my internship/job search?

[wind cedar]

for my resume, everything i have is college stuff, no high school stuff

[smoky quest]

I think we shouldn't even be talking about it because you have so many things to brag about.
If you want to add random things to your linkedin, sure, there is no harm.

But the general view of things are that you are consistently improving and growing. And as such, the things you are doing now are far more valuable, deep, broad and amazing that the stuff you did years ago doesn't even compare or matter anymore

[wind cedar]

idk if youve read what ive been saying in this chain but these things arent just random things, theyre things i wqs heavily involved in high school, that i was very passionate about, and led me to choose cs as a major. how are they random things to you? if they werent important, dont you think i wouldnt have it at all?

[smoky quest]

I have read your messages and I have been trying to convey a different perspective from what you have been used to.
Internships are wild. I would get thousands of applicants within a week. And am not even working at a faang.
They all claim to be awesome, and are all trying to 👏 demonstrate 👏 their 👏 skills 👏

So you are looking at things from your perspective, as a student, who has a very special story and a very specific context. But when you look at thousands of applicants, these stories disappear. You start looking things as cohort.
It's a crude analogy, but you are thinking about things like pets while I am looking at things like managing a cattle

Note that it's completely normal and part of your growth. There is nothing wrong with it

[wind cedar]

so whats your stance on what i said so far then?

[smoky quest]

that you are far too attached to your HS activities

[wind cedar]

im not

im attached to having a relevant profile

@smoky quest answer this, hs leadership has no affect for a college students internship/job search right? only college leadership would have that affect right?

[smoky quest]

I think we are going circles and that has already been answered.
Happy to answer other questions though

[wind cedar]

where has it been answered?

@smoky quest please just answer it

[near ocean]

Nobody looks at linkedin, add it if you want to

[wind cedar]

ive gotten reache dby a google recruiter through linkedin, so what you said is wrong

[near ocean]

Recruiters dont scroll all the way down to your college or hs accomplishments
Your profile pops up for their linkedin searches and they send template messages

[wind cedar]

they view the whole thing bro

[true harness]

i don't know how to tell you this, but they don't really

[wind cedar]

idk why youre ignorant about it, first you said that nbody looks at linkedin profiles which is wrong. ive had tons of recruiters view my lonkedin profile

[wind cedar]

hdyk

even if they dont which i doubt its true, its still good to be safe

[summer roost]

I'm sure that they don't have no effect. Some employers will notice them and care. They're less relevant than stuff that you did more recently, but if you don't have enough recent stuff to talk about to sell yourself, talking about older stuff is better than nothing

note that things that you add may have a positive or negative effect, also. If you make your profile too long or too noisy, some people who would otherwise have liked it won't.

[wind cedar]

i do thats the thing, i have college leadership thats more relevant than the hs leadership. thats why i wanna just have it there on my linkedin profile only since itll actually have an effect on internship/job search compared to hs leadership

[wind cedar]

okay

[wind cedar]

@summer roost so the way i am going about it, makes sense right?

[summer roost]

you should list the most relevant/desirable stuff about yourself. If you think your high school leadership fits the bill, include it.

[wind cedar]

did you read anything i typed for the past hour?

[summer roost]

I've skimmed it. What do you think I've missed?

[wind cedar]

i give up with this chat man

[topaz tusk]

Hi guys. I don't know if this really belongs here but to make my resume more competitive(I have no work experience and my only skills are python) I am looking to do projects to put under practical experience and for my portfolio. What are some hardware+coding projects I could do? For example python+raspberrypi or arduino plus something else etc.

So far I have been thinking of some sort of smart plant pot based on python/arduino connected to HomeAssistant but that is pretty much where my ideas stop....

I am open to learning anything in my free time really as long as the project is worthwhile to my cause and engaging.

[wind cedar]

why would i include something that wont have an effect on my internship/job search?

[summer roost]

are you including your elementary school report cards?

[whole flare]

I would, I peaked in elementary /j

[wind cedar]

so youre telling me hs leadership is going to make a difference when applying for internships or full time jobs after college?????

[summer roost]

I'm telling you that your linkedin profile functions as an advertisement for yourself, and like all advertisements, it works best if it's succinct and eye-catching

[wind cedar]

yes i know, im saying i have that through college leadership. and the college leadership is actually going to have an effect

[summer roost]

if you put too much there, people will tune it out, so you need to decide how to curate all of the facts about yourself down to just the ones that best function as an effective advertisement for you as an employee

[white relic]

because people are telling you things you don't want to hear does not mean they aren't paying attention to what you said.

[wind cedar]

no, its because they arent reading through with what im typing

[summer roost]

If there's something you think I've missed, feel free to point it out 🤷‍♂️

[wind cedar]

and its frustrastrating to keep on re explaining myself

[white relic]

You conclude that based in the fact that you don't agree with what they're saying.

[wind cedar]

okay, like what?

[white relic]

This whole conversation you keep contradicting people trying to give you advice.

[wind cedar]

example?

[summer roost]

https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Ambilight-With-Raspberry-Pi-and-NO-Arduino-Wor/ is a pretty cool project, perhaps?

[summer roost]

I guess I'm not clear what you're asking here. Are you asking me whether your college leadership experience is one of the most interesting things about yourself to highlight? If so, I don't see how I'd know that - I don't know what that experience is, or what other things you've done

[topaz tusk]

Noted, Thanks! Any other ideas? I tried searching google but got a laundry list of stuff that I don't think would really shine on a resume.

[wind cedar]

@white relic if you cant give an example, youre just making stuff u about me

[white relic]

Since you know better than the people here, I guess you don't need career advice from me. Good luck!

[summer roost]

I'm not sure that hardware projects "shine" on a resume in general - at least, not unless you're applying to jobs in the embedded or hardware space. If you're applying for software jobs, highlighting hardware skills is probably less useful than highlighting software skills

[topaz tusk]

I see. sorry that I wasn't clear. For context, I am a mechanical engineer so I will probably end up dealing with hardware and software simultaenously. Which is why I am looking for that sweet spot of hardware AND coding instead of just focusing on one. unless of course focusing on one specifically is more beneficial?

[smoky quest]

Work backward from your goal: What roles do you want to apply to? What skills do they require?
From there you can narrow down projects that would help you 👏 demonstrate 👏 these 👏 skills 👏

[summer roost]

I don't know much about what mechanical engineering employers are looking for. That's way outside of my wheelhouse. I'd think stuff that focuses on mechanical stuff might be interesting? Things that manipulate the physical space, like a box that flips light switches on and off, or an automated deadbolt, or... I dunno, stuff in that direction.

[topaz tusk]

gotcha both, thanks!

[summer roost]

I've seen people make a "defense system" for their home office, where if someone opens the door it shoots a nerf dart at them 😄

my naive intuition would be that stuff with moving parts would be better for a mechanical engineer's resume than stuff without

[topaz tusk]

gotcha. I'll focus on that then. Thank you once again!

[hearty island]

"Hello,
Came across your profile and thought you may be interested in the opportunity below. Let me know what you think!

Here is a little more information about our client’s Data Analyst that is operating REMOTE (EST Hours)

Duration: 12 Month Contract with Extension
Hourly: 25-40/hr on W2
Team Location: Jupiter, FL

Must Haves:
5+ years of data analytic, data validation, data manipulation, experience Six Sigma yellow or green belt Strong Power BI skills Strong Excel skills
Plusses:
Six Sigma Black Belt
Job Description
An employer is looking for a fully remote Data Analyst to join their team. This analyst will be responsible for analyzing, sorting, and interpreting, and clean large data sets to help assist this construction team to help solve and interrupt to run more efficiently and spot opportunity. Responsible for understanding source systems, data flows and their data models and Adheres to data governance strategy and guidelines.

Nick Bremmer
Professional Recruiter at Insight Global" is this legit? i don't have 5+ years of xp

[whole flare]

Average recruiter on LinkedIn to be honest.

[hearty island]

memery

[white relic]

I get these all the time

with slight wording variations

I ignore them, but I have the luxury of a great job I'm not trying to leave

[hearty island]

i desperately need a job, but i have no business trying to get into a 5 yr+ experience job

time

[white relic]

It probably isn't a scam if that's what you mean, but the recruiter (or the auto scraper pretending to be a recruiter) isn't really reviewing the openings

[hearty island]

i want to burn my internship welcome letter once i get a full time offer

https://tenor.com/view/burn-fire-invitation-spongebob-gif-20714005

i will also print out every rejection i've gotten that's in my email and burn it as well

still under consideration for a jefferies role that i applied to 13 days ago

thank god i have an internship

ooh amazon assesment lessgo

[whole flare]

🗿

[hearty island]

lmao

[whole flare]

based.

[hearty island]

The Amazon part?

[whole flare]

No just burning your rejections lol

[hearty island]

Ah

[vapid jay]

Who here good at python coding I wanna learn to be good

I’m 14 and just started and I need some tips

[stuck shale]

I am thinking of transition to a less Microsoft specific tech tech, and leaning more learning some python analytics and SQL related skills. Considering my previous experience doing data visualization at my last job with SAP webi reports and at this current company with Power platform stuff(Powerbi,Power Automate, Powerpages), im trying to think of way to pivot something more flexible would increase my future job prospects. Are there any other languages or tech stacks that sort of relate to my current skills i can pivot to?

[pine sleet]

at your stage it's quite simple - build whatever seems fun to you!

[peak halo]

and it doesn't need to be useful. just something that you think would be interesting to make

[vapid jay]

Incidentally, Now that I have the basics of Python, I'm just taking John Blows advice : Pick a project I don't know how to do, look at the books I have and read relevant chapters.

Picked the FTP project on the list and just skipped to Chapter 12 of Programming Python.

So instead of reading a book cover to cover like I did when I actually learned the language, I'm just getting the relevant pieces fo rnow.

[vapid jay]

Make a game using python without using Udemy or Youtube.

Oh, and rules : No Unity, Unreal Engine, or Blender allowed.

[whole flare]

Maybe look at R?

[stuck shale]

I'm trying to decide between, R , pandas or matplotlib

[peak halo]

R is a language and pandas/matplotlib are two libraries in Python. none of these are interchangeable

[stuck shale]

I mean sticking with python and learning two big visualization libraries, or just learning R , sorry that's what I meant

[brisk cargo]

senior at faang is generally ~4-6 yoe for external hires. staff is closer to that though yeah. for smaller/non-tech companies there's usually more title inflation so that's not totally unreasonable

[lucid citrus]

How do you guys know if you're ready to apply for a job? They said they need a dev who knows x,y, and z languages, how to know if you are qualified in x,y, and z?

[whole flare]

I'd stick with Python then

[rancid edge]

guys i am new to python how do i begin with it?

[buoyant seal]

U could start with reading this cool book, installing python and completing all exercises in it

[winter siren]

I want to be a software engineer well I’m currently working on python I’ve covered all the basics now I’m working oop also I built a simple hangman game yesterday My plan is to learn Tkinter after I’m done learning oop so I can apply GUI to all my previous project my main question is when do I stop with python and move to something else yk not waist time learning irrelevant stuff

[whole flare]

Learning Python never stops!

[winter siren]

I know but what I’m learning might be irrelevant to my plan to be a software engineer

[fringe sphinx]

Everything you're learning is relevant: it's not just the libraries but also the experience at building increasingly complex systems. You can choose to go 'deep': build more games (go deep), or pick projects in topics you know little/nothing about (breadth).

[winter siren]

Ok build more complex stuff noted#

[fringe sphinx]

Complex will make you a better engineer. New topics will give you broader knowledge. Do both.

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[winter siren]

Thank you another q# should I learn data structures and algorithms along or not yet

[winter siren]

🍴

[buoyant seal]

As mentioned before more complex systems to build is challenge

To do it easier u will be highly preferably needing to learn what is unit testing for example, and architecture your code accordingly.
https://www.amazon.com/Unit-Testing-Principles-Practices-Patterns/dp/1617296279
https://www.amazon.com/Test-Driven-Development-Kent-Beck/dp/0321146530

There are more topics to cover on this adventure of going more in depth for building a code that can scale.

[winter siren]

Thank you

[buoyant seal]

https://www.amazon.com/Code-Complete-Practical-Handbook-Construction/dp/0735619670
Feel free to read this one too, as first or after unit testing.
This book covers a lot of different existing aspects to building more quality code and what can be read to do better in each this aspect

[white relic]

If you know the basic syntax of those languages, and have ever used them to write a program beyond "hello world" that's enough to put it on your résumé IMO.
It is up to the interview to determine whether you possess the skulls necessary for the job, or if you can acquire them on the job

[lucid citrus]

I thought they would have high standards like being actually fluent. The economy is competitive. Also if I can't choose a path then going full-stack is a good idea or not?

[fringe sphinx]

Having broad skills is (imo) always a good idea.

[white relic]

They may well have high standards, which you would likely find out in the interview if the interviewer is doing their job.

[buoyant seal]

how to know if you are qualified in x,y, and z?

• i put stuff into resume
  • i am willing to work with
  • i feel confident to solve tasks or learn further to solve them
  • usually putting into resume if i used it at work or practiced at pet projects after certain amount

[white relic]

Unless the opening lists specific YoE or familiarity with certain tools that you definitely don't have, no reason to assume you would be rejected.

What if they have low standards 😂

[buoyant seal]

how to know if you are qualified in x,y, and z?
after reading like 2 books about specific material
you are usually getting some overview ergh... what is possible with it and what is average stuff needs to be known about it
ergh... that depends on a subject, some things are sufficient to learn from official docs, some with 1-2 books to get ready, some can be tough as requiring many many books to keep learning
as i read official docs, reading books, practicing in pet projects, i can estimate what is "average" (to my standards) necessary level to have it usable at work, solving average tasks at work
when i reach it and i am sure i will be willing to continue worknig with it and knowledge will not fade away because i commit my further time towards it, i certainly put this new acquired skill into resume

Some examples, i am willing to use Python, Golang, AWS, Terraform, Kubernetes. i put them into my resume.
In university i used C++, C#, opengl to make desktop windows stuff... i am not willing to work with it, i don't put it into my resume (considering removing all frontend related stuff out of my resume tbh too sometimes 😅 Also i worked even with web scrapping, never going to add it to resume as i am severally disliking it)

[lucid citrus]

alright, but there are tons of books for just a single language how do you choose which one to read? What I recently learned is books, online courses or any kind of knowledge source you are seeing now contain the knowledge of the OGs. They release new books on daily basis😄

[buoyant seal]

1. well, it is enough to read a single Head First book to start appreciating for thow much they are awesome, so they are my go to default for starting with smth new
2. I also just read reviews at Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Clean-Architecture-Craftsmans-Software-Structure/dp/0134494164
3. than more i read good books, then more i received good recommendations what to read next, this one recommended a lot of different ones https://www.amazon.com/Code-Complete-Practical-Handbook-Construction/dp/0735619670
4. Usually good books are pretty much often recommended by other people whose opinion i value. Ergh, like this book was already recommended to me dozen of times https://www.amazon.com/Designing-Data-Intensive-Applications-Reliable-Maintainable/dp/1449373321

TLDR: than more u read, then more u are aware what to get next
As every book has recommendations, and your knowledge increases in understanding what u don't know yet

[buoyant seal]

i put value into reading core software engineering subjects books usually
As for language/tech specific books... tbh i don't put a lot value in them, i usually read just beginner book to language/tech to get started, and then learn the rest by practice/official documentaiton. I can read one-few more to get in depth further though if the technology is rather big

Like... i still haven't read Django 3.0 book i have... and i understand now i will never going to read it 😄 I see no point at this point to do that. as i can learn everything about django from official docs as i go through any related tasks to it

I can read more than 1 book about programming language though, because getting best practices regarding the language and its ecosystem takes bloody time. So i am usually needing at least 2-3 books to get at necessary level with language to keep going at level i wish. This helps me to make a shortcut and not discovering all the things through practice and other people. And official docs to language are usually too little structured to do it in any other way

[gritty rivet]

You don't know until you're hired.

If you can answer questions about the relevant technologies that's good enough to apply and find out

[lavish lagoon]

Can i get a job as a python developer?

[lucid citrus]

I take some time to go through reviews they seem decent and relevant, I usually have trust when reviewers put effort into their reviews. I give them a try. Hope I can learn some exclusive knowledge that I can't find anywhere else. Those books seem to not target any specific language, and seem promising.

[gritty rivet]

There's only one way to find out... Apply.

Topic description has some job boards if that's what you're looking for but LinkedIn, Indeed etc. will have more opportunities

[winter siren]

I mean if you need the job why not just fill it up

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that just saying #

[fluid moat]

I was looking at the python tutorial, and I find some sections kind of tough when it seems to introduce stuff that's never been explained up until that point and roll with it. I did read python crash course, is the official tutorial a good course of action to keep learning?

To be fair, it's nothing that I couldn't solve with some googling and extra resources, but I was just wondering if there was something that laid out everything a bit better.

[foggy musk]

Do I really need to get a degree in computer science in order to get a job in computer science more so software engineering

[vapid jay]

I don't usually read at all job ad description, but this is peculiarly weird

[true harness]

you don't "need" much to get a job. however, a CS degree will be the easiest way to get a job

[digital fjord]

this seems to me like they have a shelf you'll need to reach or similar.

[lavish lagoon]

Yes, this is true 🥲

[wheat hatch]

Did they also ask you for your skull measurements?

[near ocean]

210cm on my tippies

[small berry]

what is the best web site to learn python with exercice mini project quiz and stuff like that

[true harness]

ok but like, what's wrong with a little step stool or 🪜. 😔

[mystic violet]

i cant wait to work in the AI industry

just 4 years to go

[simple tusk]

Hello

[mild pilot]

Does anyone know what I should be uploading for the 2nd thing here? Do I just reupload whatever I most want to be looked at between CV and cover letter?

[pastel thunder]

must know question for COMPUTER ARCHITECTURE and EMBEDDED SYSTEM PROFILE?
company is cadence design system, its also mention ML in profile

have very few days to interview

dont know computer archi and embedded at all, forgot everything i learned

[gritty rivet]

I take these things as a sign that I don't want to work for them and move on 🤣

[mild pilot]

Understandable! It's for a summer internship with my Uni, so I'm not too worried about it. I'll take that as meaning they fucked up so I wont look like an idiot whatever I do though so thanks :)

[near ocean]

It means people dont understand your statement/question and would like you to elaborate

[mystic violet]

Could they not jusk ask directly?

[near ocean]

Emojis are faster

[wind cedar]

Should I include high school diploma on my LinkedIn profile?

[pine sleet]

do you have a college degree?

[night path]

what are post 16 (uk) options for education like for python and code in general?

[wind cedar]

I’m about to finish my bachelors degree?

[pine sleet]

that's good. you shouldn't put your high school diploma then

[wind cedar]

Why not?

[pine sleet]

but i don't think you'd put it anyway since most jobs require you have one

[pine sleet]

its irrelevant

[wind cedar]

How? It’s still an educational accomplishment

[pine sleet]

sure, but assuming you're applying for jobs that are even a little technical all the candidates will have it, and the employer will assume/require you have it

it's pretty much a baseline

[wind cedar]

Okay, so what’s wrong with including it there. I see so many individuals have it

[pine sleet]

it adds no value

[wind cedar]

Nothing wrong with including it

[wheat hatch]

You asked whether to include it or not. An answer was given.

It's as Robin says, it adds noise where you want signal. A university degree is a lot more interesting.

[pine sleet]

meh. it's better to not have it than have it and have someone reading it get a wrong idea or not like it or whatever

[wind cedar]

How come the majority of people have it on there then?

[pine sleet]

for instance, it might signal to a recruiter that you don't know how to pick what's important and highlight the important parts about yourself

[pine sleet]

most profiles i've seen don't have them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat hatch]

Why did you come here to ask that question if you already had an opinion on it?

[wind cedar]

The majority of profiles I’m seeing includes it

[pine sleet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wind cedar]

What’s wrong with getting more opinions on an issue?

[wheat hatch]

Nothing wrong with it if you are receptible for different opinions, you don't seem to be that.

[pine sleet]

whart sort of jobs are the owners of those profiles looking for / working in?

[fleet reef]

Do most of the profiles that you’re looking at have college degrees?

[pine sleet]

no

[wind cedar]

I’m just telling him what I notice, doesn’t mean I’m not receptible for different opinions

[pine sleet]

@wind cedar its probably bias

[wind cedar]

All these guys are all in the tech industry that have cs degrees

[pine sleet]

oh well. it is how it is

i think the opinion of most of the regulars here would be the same, tbh

[wheat hatch]

You sure sound defensive though. Ultimately what you do is up to you, but if I were in your shoes I would only include my highest and most relevant education achievment.

[wind cedar]

Should I remove anything hs related from my LinkedIn profile?

[pine sleet]

if it's particularly impactful or if it's something you think most people won't have then you can keep it

but for the most part what you did in college is far more important and employers will care about that more

[wind cedar]

You say this, but you’re against putting high school diploma on LinkedIn profile. That doesn’t make any sense to me

[whole flare]

a HS diploma is probably less impactful than your degree just saying.

[wheat hatch]

It helps imo to picture it from the eyes of the recruiter. Most recruiters would prolly not be interested in me working on a farm when I was a kid. My university degree and work experience though, that's a different story.

[pine sleet]

there's a difference between coming first place in a state tournament in high school (which not many people do) and finishing a high school diploma (which like, 90% of people in the US have)

[wheat hatch]

Imagine I wanted to employ you for a coding job, something you'd be really interested in. Explain to me why I should hire you based on your high school merits.

[pine sleet]

at the end of the day, your resume/linkedin profile should highlight your achievements that make you unique and stand out from the other candidates. why would you waste space saying, "hey look, I have this thing all the other candidates do!"

[wind cedar]

If I did something cs related in hs, that’s a good indicator I am interested in this field since I did it early on

[true harness]

to be fair, most people just throw whatever on their linkedin. it can be less focused than a resume

[wheat hatch]

Yeah but I have this other candidate here that's also interested in this field but he's got a uni degree, why should I hire you over him?

[pine sleet]

can you be more specific? i'd reckon these days most kids do "something cs related in hs"

perhaps this "something" is something you can capitalize on

[wind cedar]

Like being part of the robotics club, or cs club

[pine sleet]

any achievements? e.g 1st/2nd/3rd in some local/state competitions, hackathons, etc

[wind cedar]

I’ve had leadership in both clubs

[wheat hatch]

That's something more valuable to add than simply your high school

[pine sleet]

that is good. you can add that. not everyone has that

[true harness]

i don't think simply being interested early on will gain you much with employers though. that doesn't really factor into skills. you could make an argument on "passion", but i don't understand how high school clubs would be better than college clubs or college activities or personal projects you've made

[wind cedar]

I’ve also taught kids coding stuff in those clubs as well

[pine sleet]

that's all great stuff, but surely you have more to talk about that you did in college?

[fleet reef]

What if I didn’t go to college?

[pine sleet]

i get "HS club leadership position" but "tutored kids" seems like something one would see on a resume of someone that didn't go to college

[pine sleet]

what about it?

[wind cedar]

Ofc, I’m just wondering if I should add that or remove it

[pine sleet]

i guess it's fine but you should use that space for more impactful stuff you did in college

[wind cedar]

I don’t think it would matter for jobs/internship search, so what’s the point of keeping it there you know

[pine sleet]

yes that is my point

[wind cedar]

All the hs stuff I talked about is going to make up like 5% of the stuff on my LinkedIn profile

[pine sleet]

you seem to be putting way more thought into 5% than is necessary

[wind cedar]

That’s why I wanna remove it but you’re saying it’s good to have

[wind cedar]

Cause I want a relevant profile bro

[pine sleet]

it's a good "fallback". if you have nothing better to put on there, then leave it

[true harness]

why not optimize the 95%

[pine sleet]

right. ask us about the other 95%, we can help you optimize that

[wind cedar]

Because I’m fine with that

[pine sleet]

why not make it better? there is always room for improvement

[wind cedar]

I’m just struggling with the 5%

[pine sleet]

here's some advice: just don't worry about it

[wind cedar]

If don’t have an issue with something there’s no point of asking about it

[pine sleet]

i guarantee you that some interviewer is not just going to say "oh this college person that's almost done with their degree didn't put their high school education on their profile, let's reject them"

[wind cedar]

Idk bro

[pine sleet]

you've heard multiple opinions. you seem very set on having it there, so feel free to go ahead and keep it

[lucid granite]

Hey, I’m total beginner in Python and right now I am learning def, return etc. functions. Some parts I do not fully understand. Should I go and try to learn them 100% or is that a waste of time?

[fringe sphinx]

Learn them 100%, if what you're not sure about are basics like functions and return statements

[lucid granite]

Cheers

[fringe sphinx]

And if you need help/explanation, ask us in #python-discussion !

[lucid granite]

Everything in start seems extremely complicated and hard, is that normal or I am just slow?

[fringe sphinx]

Normal. The first few weeks/months are hard.

[fringe sphinx]

If you don't believe me: https://www.google.com/search?q=imposter+syndrome+site%3A%2F%2Freddit.com%2Fr%2Flearnprogramming

[fringe sphinx]

If you take your time in the beginning and ask a lot of questions & write code (practice/experiment), you'll be fine.

[analog bridge]

hello

[fringe sphinx]

For sure, someone could.

They shall give someone a job.

[mighty belfry]

can you explain to me in simple words how to make AI?
And how I can make my career in AI?\

[peak halo]

If someone were to explain how to make AI in simple words, that information wouldn't be useful for actually doing it

[peak halo]

You'd need to start by getting a degree in computer science that emphasizes AI.

[oblique latch]

"To create AI, learn coding, algorithms, and machine learning, and for an AI career, focus on these skills through education and practical projects."

I just ran your question through AI lol. :>

[spare merlin]

Best ways to get away with being over employed?

[smoky quest]

don't get overemployed

[spare merlin]

Teaching assistant during an internship nothing too serious

[smoky quest]

then the simplest way is to talk about it with your employer so you can all work something out

[lavish lagoon]

More opportunities like ??

[frank grove]

Hi everyone I am learning coding i want to get very with the pandas library in python can someone help me with a list of projects which can help me go from beginner to pro in pandas?

[frank grove]

Anymore suggestions?

[vapid jay]

Ah Italy.. looking for a full time engineer without rights cause he'll pose as an intern
And all of those companies work for the state

[frank grove]

And also can someone help me with full guide of how much python is needed to make successful career in India

[vapid jay]

You're not going to get it.
It's all down to people relationships no matter the market

[frank grove]

Ok still a guide to become good at python

I can learn basics i want to be good so i want projects

can people here help me with projects

[vapid jay]

Yeah, they're all latin languages, also many words are akin to the others.
I don't understand German, yet it's pretty similar to English

Lucky there's glens and akin

[frank crag]

theres no job board in this server?

anyone can suggest a place to look for a python dev? i am burnt and tiered of the quality of devs i get in the different freelance sites

[vapid jay]

Tbh I see no point of learning new languages now. If I were to transfer to a new country well then.
But markets seems to be bad no matter where you go 🤷

[dusky sorrel]

Hello there

[plush summit]

Just learn skiing and become a skiteacher in austria 😆

[placid haven]

Hello guys
Who needs Udemy courses?

Based mainly on programming languages

[white relic]

udemy has its own page where they list free courses, nobody needs to solicit links on discord

[rancid edge]

guys how to begin with python?

[rocky fulcrum]

learn from tutorials, (not recommended) youtube videos, websites, books if needs be

theres all sorts of ways, you just have to find out what works for you

[wheat hatch]

They have a large ski/tourism industry in austria, switzerland, alps area essentially. Lots of people that take a hiatus after high school here go there to teach people skiing.

[rancid edge]

thanks

[wheat hatch]

I think the joke was that you can always become a ski teacher if you know a little bit of german

[winter siren]

How many years experience do you have in programming

You studied cs in school ?

@turbid bobcat

Then you are self taught or what program did you study

Wow it’s really nice tbh

I know someone that also transitioned from aero engineer to software engineer and she studied for 2 years and finally get a job idk if you know her she is cs Jackie on yt but I think she had a job while learning how to code

I wish all the best dude gtg I’ve a maths test rn lol

[nimble mountain]

Viva l'italia figaaaa

[high mason]

🎉🏆🎉🏆🎉

[hearty island]

what on god's green earth is human capital mgt

i have applied to the

i am about to feel immeasurable pain

https://tenor.com/view/scream-timothee-chalamet-paul-atreides-dune-in-pain-gif-18400569

[umbral moat]

Hello there!
Lookin for some advice over here, I learned basic python and have completed some projects, to get a job for python in the current scenario, what libraries/ farmeworks I should be focusing on...?

[smoky quest]

libraries and languages don't matter as much as what you can do with them.
So make sure you have a CS degree, pick a target role you want to apply to and make projects that demonstrate you would be great at said roles

[umbral moat]

Right, is django fine if I want to start off with web dev?

[smoky quest]

sure

[umbral moat]

Thanks! What all frameworks do you recommend to learn after that?

[smoky quest]

#career-advice message

[opaque silo]

Hey guys, wondering for people who are looking for jobs - what's the biggest problems you're facing right now?

Hm ok, so I'm guessing you want a visa in maybe a country known for tech like USA or maybe Europe?
Also you can just ignore recruiter spam or no lol?

Ah ok, so jobs don't offer visa is that the main problem? Is there no jobs your country or is it that the pay is low in comparison?

Hm ok I understand, I didnt have to deal with this in UK so I cant relate but I can definitely empathise.

So do you think in terms of coding/experience/skill you have no problems?

Yeah I think leetcode is just practicing so that's good.

What do you think you will do then, Im not sure if you currently have a job, but will you keep trying for visa, look for remote, or take one in your country for experience, maybe build your own thing?

[ebon dove]

hey bro i got some questions

for interships how experienced do you usually have to be to land one

[hearty island]

Usually you get internships your junior year. But I would recommend applying as early as your freshman year. Leverage your projects and your knowledge of coding. Practice behavioral questions

[opaque silo]

Ah ok nice, i wasn't aware of the europe/us office visa. I will look at this in more detail, sounds like a problem many people likely also have. Thanks for sharing

Which country in EU is it if you dont mind me asking? Im guessing eastern europe

lol so not too bad though, should hopefully able to find something with connections/offices to bigger tech countries

[ebon dove]

whats behavioral questions

[opaque silo]

do you re-write it for each job? seems excessive if so

So you're trying Linkedin or where are you meeting these people?

[vale storm]

Hey guys when you get to a point of being a mid-level engineer, what are the next steps? I understand it depends on the individual (i.e. personal preference and personal goals) but I’m thinking how do I make the next leap in terms of just being a python programmer? Would it be sensible to just work hard where I’m at and reach a senior position eventually? Or maybe every few years jump between companies until I’m at a senior position? I’ve been thinking recently I’d love to go freelance/contractor work as the end game because I’d want a be your own boss/work your own hours kind of lifestyle. But with that I have really massive confidence issues and an insecure feeling. How do I know when I’m ‘good enough’ to take on being a freelancer/contractor? That’s why I’m thinking maybe reaching a senior position at a company should come first? Also how hard is it to get freelance jobs? I’ve tried sending proposals on upwork but I never get any replies (and it’s more often jobs I’m confident I can take on). Do I just need to get better at it? Also as a bonus question - how much can you earn up to as a freelance python programmer? I want to know what kind of a living can be sustained going down that path (can you support a family)

[opaque silo]

Ah ok cool, thats good to know. And yeah I agree, people are friendly on here because they want to be in these servers, not just randomly some kid messaging you for a job lol

[smoky quest]

Does your company have a career ladder? Have you asked your lead/manager about the path to becoming senior?

[mystic violet]

Isnt Discord a little less professional tho? The whole point of LinkedIn is professionalism

Discord really isnt somewhere to network

[vale storm]

Yes and they do, and my company is actually an enjoyable place to work at, whilst also being a great place in terms of career development (it’s mostly python and data work with healthcare data). But I have this personal mental problem where I feel like if I’m not making what is the ‘most efficient’ move in my life then I’m wasting my time if that makes sense? So I was wondering what would be the best next move for me? Focus on my job to climb the ladder vs focus more on pure python learning so I can fit into another role at another company (which apprently if you move companies you always end up with a higher salary) vs put in time and effort to establish myself as a freelance python engineer

[summer roost]

I’m thinking how do I make the next leap in terms of just being a python programmer?
I wouldn't focus on a single language like that. In my mind, the thing that separates junior engineers from senior engineers is that senior engineers are trusted to design large systems and run large projects. Part of that trust is trusting that they will use the right tool for the job, and so focusing solely on any one tool (like Python) might easily be a detriment to really reaching a senior level. If you've focused entirely on Python, you might not realize when Java is a much better choice for a project than Python is, for instance

[smoky quest]

no one cares about the language.
The market is great for software engineers, no so much for narrowed down python engineers

[summer roost]

which apprently if you move companies you always end up with a higher salary
Not always, but it is true that yearly raises tend to amount to less than you'd make by switching jobs. It's often easier to convince a new company to pay more for your skills than convince your current company

[smoky quest]

Note also that most career ladders won't even focus on the language at senior levels either

[summer roost]

But I have this personal mental problem where [...] So I was wondering what would be the best next move for me?
If you see it as a problem, perhaps working towards solving it would be a good next move.

[vale storm]

Okay so in terms of languages is it good to like have a core set of languages youre familiar with? And how in-depth should you go with your knowledge of these languages?

[summer roost]

"network" is just business-ese for making friends, and Discord is a perfectly fine place to make friends. Better than LinkedIn, I'd argue, since you're much more likely to have an actual conversation with someone here

[opaque silo]

Its acutally very easy to switch langauges if you know one programming language well

[smoky quest]

It's about what you can do with them. You can pick up a new language in a matter of day(s)

[vale storm]

Okay thanks!

[smoky quest]

it's also linked to the demographic. There are other communities geared more towards professionals

[summer roost]

"networking" on LinkedIn doesn't tend to actually involve conversations, and so it doesn't meet the "recognize, create, or act upon business opportunities" part of that, and it only barely meets the "form business relationships" part. It's mostly a lot of people introducing themselves to each other, from what I've heard.

[smoky quest]

there can be discussions, but there is also tons of spam

[summer roost]

I'm not arguing that Discord is necessarily a great place for it, or Python Discord in particular. But any real networking involves having non-superficial conversations

[smoky quest]

my previous message was referring other communities like some on slack that I have in mind.
Plus most tech hubs will have a slack/discord/other specifically about their location

[summer roost]

yeah, that sounds like great places for real networking

you can use it for one thing without using it for another

[smoky quest]

The current way to do it is to use an ATS and then connect to multiple job boards (linkedin/indeed).
In addition, you can source candidates on linkedin

[hearty island]

both optum and amazon ✅

[chilly socket]

my career based off python is that making that ^^^

[smoky quest]

Hi,

It's not a meme dump

[chilly socket]

im sorry my beautiful king

[vapid jay]

did ADHD disorder made the carrer of anyone here harder?

[deft herald]

Attention deficit hyper disorder disorder?

[ornate raptor]

Coping with it lol....I mean what else can I do anyway.

[vapid jay]

yess, me too, just keeping on objectives hehe

[true harness]

ADHD is very treatable with modern medication

[vapid jay]

yeahh, that is true, i will start the treatment

is getting hard to focus on things that demand energy, like learn a new language (speak), and that impacts a lot in my carrer

[fallow musk]

.

[hearty island]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3882273421/?refId=b340ad8c-e777-437d-a6e5-4a10bce85e71&trackingId=YTYoSh6HS%2B25om7sdkIknw%3D%3D this doesn't sound like a data sciency role

[wind cedar]

whats a good amount of software engineering internships to get a FT job?

[hearty island]

i think it matters more what you do during them. also i agree with below too

[rancid flicker]

Hi. İ have py buy i cant see source code. Who can dec? i will pay 100 EUR

[hearty island]

... what? also i think you're in the wrong spot

[rancid flicker]

Why

Who can dec this file?, i want see source code

[smoky quest]

that's not related to the topic of this channel. You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help

[smoky quest]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[oblique latch]

Also apart form that sending a picture of the code doesn't help with the problem.

[shut plume]

Can any1 help https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1226727674366394400

[smoky quest]

that doesn't seem related to #career-advice

[shut plume]

oh sorry sir/ma’am just trying to find someone to help me

[smoky quest]

Sure. Still not a reason to spam. Let's try to keep the channels on topic 🙂

[elfin sparrow]

i studied econ in college and realized all the people who work in finance are engineers during my 2nd year, how can I show that I want to do what the engineers r doing even if I don't have the credential? ive been using MIT's OCW and finEng from youtube to replicate curriculum for basic classes but dont think this will help because I will have no way of verifying my education

[smoky quest]

projects are a good start

[jolly scroll]

before learning math topics like calculus, linear algebra, probability statistics, what math concepts do I need to clear first then start these topics for ML for better understanding or i can directly start learning these??

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to pick up a book for begineers about the ML and related maths. Most books will include some pre-requisites.

[dim apex]

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone here can answer a question of mine. I have been trying to solve LeetCode questions for about a week now and im struggling but making progress, if anyone here is skilled at LeetCode, how long did it take you to be able to solve easy level questions?

[smoky quest]

do you have any background in DSA?

or CS?

[dim apex]

not sure what DSA means, is that Data science?

[smoky quest]

datastructure and algorithms

[dim apex]

I went to school for CS and got my degree but I feel I have just had a lot of exposure but not too much in depth knowledge

[dim apex]

ahh, no. I don't have much of a background in that.

[sand needle]

Hi!

[vapid jay]

hey

[smoky quest]

mmh. Sounds like you missed on the basics at school then.
I would suggest to pick up a book like https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262046305/introduction-to-algorithms/

Otherwise it's like trying to pass the exam for rocket science without having learned anything about rockets

[sand needle]

im new here, im ready to learn some new things

[vapid jay]

bro suggest me something

[smoky quest]

welcome aboard!
A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[vapid jay]

python django is enough for future in india

[sand needle]

Thx ❤️

[dim apex]

I appreciate the recommendation 😁 are you skilled with LeetCode?

[vapid jay]

can you help me guide me ?

[smoky quest]

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[vapid jay]

i m non it background but my skills are very gud in python

[smoky quest]

nice!

[vapid jay]

also i am a quick learner

[sand needle]

me too lol

[vapid jay]

currently im working in startup compant can u plz suggest something how do i grow my career after this how do i prepere if u have any idea

[smoky quest]

what's compant?

[vapid jay]

are you working bruh?

[jolly scroll]

could you suggest me some books, if you have any idea

[vapid jay]

startup company in indore ramo pvt ltd

[smoky quest]

I just suggested https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262046305/introduction-to-algorithms/

[smoky quest]

what's your goal?

[sand needle]

yea im doing something somewhat similar to you

[vapid jay]

future secure but i m a not tech background i m afraid about this is it matter

[sand needle]

Thanks for the suggestion i might have to check that out

[jolly scroll]

does, this book includes ml and mathematics concepts?

[smoky quest]

no

[vapid jay]

which profile ?

[jolly scroll]

could you suggest me any related to that?

[smoky quest]

His books are good: https://charuaggarwal.net/

[jolly scroll]

oh ok, I'll check it out!

[sand needle]

cProfile

[vapid jay]

tell me brother how do i find gud jobs and freelancing work or if you have freelancing work servers plz send link's that serves

[umbral frigate]

Fiverr is a good place to start.

You must be careful of competition though, as it can be tough competing others who have already made a name for themselves.

[sand needle]

fiverr ehh

[dim apex]

Where did you fellas find your jobs at? I know about Linkedin and Indeed but i'm wondering about anything else.

[umbral frigate]

I don't have experience working, so I'm not the best person to answer this question, but you can check out https://www.searchenginejournal.com/linkedin-alternatives/297409/

[dim apex]

I appreciate that 😁

[umbral frigate]

No problem

[unique seal]

hi

[plain valley]

Hello im a biotech student with 12% knowledge in python. Like ik basic things in python. What can I do to study more pytho

[near ocean]

what do you want to do with python

[plain valley]

I would love to do some project in kivy module in python like doing some Android apps. But it was hard. And I don't have much time to spend on it.

[rapid valley]

Does anyone know of like a youtube series that teaches a lot about python?
Im trynna bulk some info cuz I got free time after getting sick

[full osprey]

hi anyone can help me for my python project i am willing to pay please DM me. thank you

[digital furnace]

what project ?

[wise rock]

@full osprey can you share with me the project material.

[near ocean]

!rule 9 Does no one read the dang rules in here

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[umbral frigate]

I read it before bed!

[umbral frigate]

Not really the correct place to ask, but Corey Schafer's Python Programming Beginner Tutorials is good.

[gritty rivet]

By talking to actual human beings. Networking is a must

[balmy mural]

Sent my CV to a general recruiter and landed two interviews and job offers via that to choose from

[wind cedar]

Wdym below

[stark dirge]

Hello people.
I'm Delilah, a business builder.
I sell wall paint galleries via an online store and I wanna relate and bond with other brilliant people like me too.

I will like to learn more fluently too

[brave wagon]

I just finished my Automate the boring stuff course what should I do after? 🙂

[umbral frigate]

You've read A Byte of Python as well?

[brave wagon]

No just did the Udemy Course 🙂 and google does not help me figure out what to do next :).

[umbral frigate]

!res Have you looked thru the resources again?

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

Projects. Small projects: the books are just the ideas, but now you have to use them.

[fringe sphinx]

!kin Start here for some ideas. If you can't think of any after reviewing, ask in #python-discussion

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[brave wagon]

🙂 ok thank you very much !

[hearty island]

data.exs said i reckon the most you can get below what i said. i agree with him

[void skiff]

i wanted to get into cs and persue a career in it

will it be worth it in the future

[vapid jay]

No

[void skiff]

why not

[vapid jay]

It's going to die out there's no point, coz of AI.

[void skiff]

thats what i was thinking

[void skiff]

i want more opions too please

[vapid jay]

In what field