career-advice

[kindred oyster]

in india, the name of UNIs hold decent value , if you are from top colleges like IIT, you are def treated a bit differently from normal college graduate

[loud schooner]

You also need to remember that a lot of a degree really provides you with the ability to learn, along with a lot of soft skills.

I really would not get worked up about league tables.

[kindred oyster]

some companies hire freshers exclusively from some campuses

so if we are thinking in terms of good employment right out of college , a top UNI name matters

in the long run , maybe not so much

[proven crest]

At a junior level maybe

[kindred oyster]

yeah , i am talking about fresher positions

[rare cliff]

sadly i can't change the cv that's already uploaded, plus i had my brother and one of the hr people at his company look at it for validation

[white relic]

Well when you start talking about a PhD then it starts to matter what exactly you did research in and that is where it does matter where you go. some universities do have better resources for specific fields like machine learning and even more specific subsets of research. Researchers cluster together that way.

[proven crest]

In my context, I studied art at uni in the UK but dropped out in the last year due to family issues. I started getting into programming and focused on that as a hobby for a couple of years and decided to try to switch careers, I got a job as a junior dev in a good company and have been working there for the past year. In a few months I’ll be moving to the US, again for family reasons but I understand that there’s a lot more emphasis on a degree over there.
I’m kind of afraid I won’t find a developer role so I’m thinking of getting a degree from an online accredited college whilst working in tech (I have a job open to me in tech support which is better than a non tech job).

I’m just trying to understand if a degree from WGU would be seen as less than a degree from another institution.

[white relic]

A master's is, idk, kinda in between I guess? Doesn't matter as much as for actual research. I never really had to think about it. Haven't hired an MS in a long time.

[upper swift]

Is anyone good with node.js? I needed some help.

[kindred oyster]

this is not the place to ask , ask in one of the off topic channels

[near ocean]

The advice to go to university applies in any country you can think of

[spark sparrow]

@near ocean ok bro. Am in need of an remotask ,,you mind creating me one?

[near ocean]

Idk what that is and also no

[white relic]

As a person involved in hiring (although not usually software devs), I would consider it better to have done an online or hybrid degree at a traditional university over an online only one like WGU. But that's my personal bias. WGU has an ABET accredited CS program which is largely the same as anything you'd get at most unis

Many universities (even some top tier ones) offer affordable remote programs these days

[proven crest]

I thought they had a campus and offered both? I mean other options are university of Florida & Oregon but they’re more expensive and less flexible.

[proven crest]

Can you recommend any? From what I’ve looked at I couldn’t find many options

[white relic]

I'd be looking at options that will be relatively local to you so you do have the option of going in person if you need to. But I don't have any particular insight on specific schools or programs.

I mean I know of some but probably just what you can easily find by googling

[spark sparrow]

its an account for remote tasks bro isn't bad I assure you

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion

@proven crest it doesn't matter that much. A mid tier university might be (say) 10% better than WGU. But WGU is 1000% better than no degree and given your circumstances it's probably pretty obvious to anyone reading your résumé why you didn't go the more traditional route. In a couple years after finishing, it won't matter at all and you can always go on to get a graduate degree elsewhere

[gritty rivet]

To me the biggest disadvantage of something like WGU is that they're less likely to help you make connections with companies and land a good internship... But given that you already have work experience that's not as much of an issue.

Beyond that I agree with what trentj said.

[vapid jay]

@white relic i was thinking of doing a minor

in addition to math

does it matter much what i pick

[white relic]

as a general rule, minors are for you to do extra study in stuff you find interesting. a minor doesn't count for much on a resume.

[vapid jay]

i reread what you wrote in the previous channel

[white relic]

If you can do a minor in computer science or something like that, it shows you know at least some of the material, but you'd still be competing for jobs as a math major and not a CS major, if that makes sense

[vapid jay]

so it is very useful for various fields but it is usually prepatory for more advanced degrees and it would be better to specialise

[white relic]

Broadly speaking yes.

If you know you're going for a graduate degree in something mathy like data science, getting a BS in math is probably great

[vapid jay]

oh yeah i dont think im interested in swe

[white relic]

if you don't have a specific plan, well, I don't think I'd go for math as a generally useful undergraduate degree

[vapid jay]

yeah im still exploring

comp sci or other specialised degrees are, well, a bit too specialised for me for now

[fringe sphinx]

Funny, I think of math as being more specialized

CS being a very broad field

(I know it sounds wrong, I just meant from a career perspective)

[true harness]

an undergrad in any field isn't going to be very specialized though

[vapid jay]

i see cs as a subset of math, which is more specialised

but from a career perspective im not sure

[fringe sphinx]

Academically true(ish), but in practical terms, CS has broader career options

[white relic]

Being a true mathematical generalist is ironically extremely specialized

[vapid jay]

you guys are right

i looked through the degree structure of both math and comp sci, and comp sci classes are much more applicable in your typical industry job

math is very specialised and catered to advanced further studies

its a bit theoretical for someone who isnt interested in doing more with education past a bacehlors degree

[blazing harbor]

wow amazing billy

math absolutely sucks

I got a 2/3 which is like 66% bc I made a silly mistake with my coefficient kms

[white relic]

yep.
same can be said for most "pure" sciences. nobody gets a bachelor's in physics or chemistry or biology unless they're going on to something more specialized.

[blazing harbor]

do not major in math it's too hard and they scrutinize you

[fringe sphinx]

I like CS because there are multiple answers to a problem.

[white relic]

ah, generating functions
aka class III magic

[blazing harbor]

it was free points too but like seriously going to give me a 66% on this question

[white relic]

I've taken exams where 66% overall would have been a score to be proud of

[blazing harbor]

not in my household

tho my brother has failed a couple exams at CMU SCS... he just pass/failed the class tho so his gpa is like 3.9+

[white relic]

I didn't go for pure math. I don't do well with the more intuitive side of it

[blazing harbor]

I was looking through the exam questions from the past year for my combo exam and it doesn't seem bad

[fringe sphinx]

My PhD qualifier was like that. Nearly everyone failed.

[blazing harbor]

Wait Billy you have a PhD???

[white relic]

tbf, I don't think you get really into the interesting/hard bits of math in undergrad.

[fringe sphinx]

I think literally one person passed. The rest of us got a re-do

And then only two of us passed that

[white relic]

hah

[blazing harbor]

eh I think what I'm doing is p interesting 🤔

[fringe sphinx]

Nah, I left it ABD

(All but dissertation)

[blazing harbor]

today billybobby I learned the percent of permutations of n that are derangements as n -> inf is 1/e

[turbid bobcat]

I have zero time to prepare for the last interview, which is tomorrow, hhalp

[blazing harbor]

@white relic this is like an exam q

it's not hard but I'm worried that I wouldn't have enough time

[blazing harbor]

when you get bored, you should go back and finish it up and I'll congratulate you personally

[turbid bobcat]

That reminds of the first part of my group theory class

[fringe sphinx]

I do think every now and then about going back. It’d have been useful at this stage of my career

[blazing harbor]

yeah this is p elementary like combinatorics meant for like freshman or wtv

[blazing harbor]

also maybe a change of pace could be fun 🤷‍♂️

also motivate your kids (me included); if dad can get a phd, you can too

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, I’m not bored.

[turbid topaz]

Hi anyone can suggest good IDE for python scripting

[blazing harbor]

pycharm is p cool imo

[turbid bobcat]

In algebra, more specifically group theory, a p-elementary group is a direct product of a finite cyclic group of order relatively prime to p and a p-group. A finite group is an elementary group if it is p-elementary for some prime number p. An elementary group is nilpotent.

Ah yes ofc, I remember knowing some of this non sense >.>

[turbid topaz]

Does it require heavy specs

[blazing harbor]

decent specs

[kindred oyster]

relatively , yes

[white relic]

not that you would know it, but this channel technically is for career discussion

[turbid topaz]

thanks buddy

[kindred oyster]

(btw better move this convo from this channel , its not on topic for this channel)

[blazing harbor]

ah yes maybe you should do quant finance with cs

[fringe sphinx]

nilpotent is a hilarious word.

[turbid bobcat]

I've actually considered being a quant, but finance just doesn't catch my interest

[kindred oyster]

so is idempotent imo

[blazing harbor]

nilpotent matricies are cool

[whole flare]

easy the answer is 3.2

[blazing harbor]

I remember for my first exam in university there was a true and false question that asked if every orthagonal matrix is a nilpotent matrix

[fringe sphinx]

Hey, I like those odds.

[blazing harbor]

counter example was kinda obvious, but I missed it. Consider a R^{2x2} rotation matrix with irrational degree (say sqrt(3)) of rotation

now I will always remember this question

[reef ferry]

Des français?

[turbid bobcat]

The stuff I do remember is very pretty tho, it was a pleasant subject to study, wish I got to study more of it

[fringe sphinx]

This is an English server, see #rules

[vapid jay]

you're right

[reef ferry]

Oh Ok sorry I hadn't read

[forest kayak]

Yo

[mellow socket]

what should i learn to start building skills for career?

[balmy mural]

Path of least resistance is to get a CS degree

[mellow socket]

ok but now i want to learn python

[marble blaze]

Go ahead, it's a great skill to have and relatively easy to learn

[mellow socket]

how i start learn

[marble blaze]

There are plenty of helpful online resources to learn, start with the basics, try https://www.youtube.com/@freecodecamp#

[mellow socket]

ok i try that

[cobalt moat]

Will it make a difference if on my transcript it says Pass instead of A/B for calculus 3

I can get an A but I also enjoy sleeping

[white relic]

who's asking for your transcript?

[peak halo]

difference for what?

at least at my university, taking a Pass/Fail means that the course isn't taken into account for calculating your GPA. And for course prerequisites, a Pass is treated the same as a C.

(So if Course X requires that you got a B in Course Y, a Pass wouldn't count, even if a B is what you actually got before changing it to a Pass.)

[cobalt moat]

Like when I apply for jobs and they want my transcript

[peak halo]

That's pretty unlikely. They'd probably at most want a certificate of degree completion.

[cobalt moat]

So pass failing a class won’t hurt me

[peak halo]

and this is something they'd ask for at a late stage in the interviewing process, if ever.

[peak halo]

I wouldn't throw away an opportunity to bolster your GPA with another A. But those details of your academic record matter more for applying to grad school or PhD programs.

[cobalt moat]

Calc 3 is not an opportunity to bolster its an opportunity to decrease it

[peak halo]

you said you could get an A.

[cobalt moat]

Yeah if I don’t sleep ever

[white relic]

I sent a transcript to (what would be) my first job during the application process

I remember because one interviewer specifically asked me about the one class I got a C in

[cobalt moat]

Oof

[white relic]

I think it was fairly late in the process though tbh. Like I was already getting offered the job unless it turned out I had lied or something

[cobalt moat]

What was the C in

[white relic]

Electronics I

[peak halo]

Underwater basket weaving

[cobalt moat]

That’s something my school would actually require

[white relic]

which is to be fair a pretty important class for a computer engineer

[cobalt moat]

My entire electronics 1 class is online, multiple choice, and no tests with no lectures

[white relic]

but honestly I had like three hard classes that semester and I'm proud I survived with only the one C

had a colleague who was a straight A student for the entire program except electronics I

we were in the same class. just a tough semester all around I guess

[true harness]

some applications asked for unofficial transcripts

[dusk wharf]

If anyone got dextools trending bots, DM me, got a lot of clients

[rough depot]

Focus on acquiring the skill set and maintaining it. The career will be the byproduct.

[fringe sphinx]

One of my first jobs, my final interview was with the CEO (it was a startup, I was hire #70). He asked my gpa and was not at all impressed by my answer: apparently he then asked the vp of eng whether they really wanted to hire a B student. They did anyway, and it all ended up well.

[dusty moon]

I graduate this Spring and I will begin my masters in engineering in Summer. Is 7 applications every other day a good number or is it a rookie number?

[inland turtle]

I don't really know, but I think 7 is a lot.

but it's up to you

[dusty moon]

Okay, I just want to make sure that I am not applying to too few jobs.

[fringe sphinx]

If you’re just starting your masters, when do you expect to graduate?

[dusty moon]

@fringe sphinx By 2030, I aim to complete as many internships as I can within a six-year timeframe for the masters.

[fringe sphinx]

6 year masters?

[dusty moon]

Who's in a hurry with today's market, right? Haha

Honestly 2 to 3 years most likely.

[fringe sphinx]

So why apply?

Nobody’s going to be interested in a candidate who can’t work more than 18 months are now

[dawn wadi]

i luv python!! 🫶🫶🫶🫶🫶😘😘😍😍🧑‍💻🧑‍💻🧑‍💻🧑‍💻 #coding4life

[true harness]

if you're graduated, you won't be eligible for most internships, though

I think you have it kind backwards . should be internships now, jobs later

[inland turtle]

python is the best ahah

[whole flare]

is this a class I can take?

[dusty moon]

One of my friends obtained a full-time job through an internship while enrolled in a master's program. Or Are you suggesting something different?

[dusty moon]

Honestly I was just joking with that statement 6 years is bit insane for a masters program duration.

[true harness]

that's a reasonable path to a full time job. i guess i misinterpreted

[vapid jay]

6 years is like studying a PhD, and even that time is longer as usually one is expected to finish those programs in around 4 years, maybe 5 unless your thesis professor never checks your thesis or adds more work

[rocky skiff]

hi

[smoky quest]

depends on the country and education system

[dark thunder]

i wanted to apply for full stack internship at tesla, how competitive is it compared to faang ?

[smoky quest]

same?

[weak mulch]

Hii

[pulsar solar]

as american user, how much is the reasonable price for Saas Product ?

[buoyant seal]

As any user there will appears question what it does.
This is not possible to put value to unknown product

[smoky quest]

Given that question, you may want to pick up some books and podcasts about sales and how to market your product.
Ex:

• saastr
• Crossing the chasm
• From impossible to inevitable

[pulsar solar]

ai pdf reader is the product

[nova wyvern]

Can someone help me

@cosmic cedar

[near ocean]

Do you have a careers related question

[cinder field]

Hello Python!

I'm facing an issue with my Python script that attempts to send SMS messages through a GoIP using the SMPP protocol. I'm receiving the following error: Command unbind failed: Incorrect BIND Status for given command. Ignored
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/Cdsxoxo/Documentos/goip.py", line 40, in <module>
send_sms(contacto, 'Hello from my Python script')
File "/home/Cdsxoxo/Documentos/goip.py", line 18, in send_sms
client.bind_transceiver(system_id=SMPP_USER, password=SMPP_PASSWORD)
File "/home/Cdsxoxo/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/smpplib/client.py", line 187, in bind_transceiver
return self._bind('bind_transceiver', **kwargs)
File "/home/Cdsxoxo/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/smpplib/client.py", line 169, in _bind
raise exceptions.PDUError('({}) {}: {}'.format(
smpplib.exceptions.PDUError: ('(14) bind_transceiver_resp: Invalid Password', 14) It seems that the issue is related to authentication with the SMPP server, as the error indicates that the provided password is invalid (Invalid Password). I've checked that the password is correct and confirmed that both the username and port of the SMPP server are configured correctly.

Has anyone experienced this kind of error before or have any ideas on how to solve it? I would greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions for resolving this issue.

Thank you in advance for your help!

[near ocean]

Wrong channel, for help look at #❓｜how-to-get-help

[lavish adder]

I am currently working on fast api job and wants to expand my domain should I start learning django and django rest frame work now is it still worth learning in 2024 or should i learn something else?even learning other languages like java and Javascript framework is fine too i already have learned react

[gritty rivet]

Learn what you want to use, not just whatever you think is on trend... but of course you should have an eye on your local job listings to understand what the relative job opportunities are

[buoyant seal]

fastapi and django rest framework are two entirely different approaches in terms of coding.
probably helpful for you to learn.
I personally more of a fan going towards Django-ninja. Django but without DRF... choices and not enforced ASGI of FastAPI, with cool stuff from both FastAPI and Django to use

DRF helps to be more productive for junior and mediocre developers. and very good choice in general for people not very good with python.
DRF is essentially... kind of... Wordpress of backend world, if to draw some analogy. Allows very rapid boilerplated development with very uniform architecture u can't screw up, at certain costs. A lot of people are satisfied with made trade offs
Due to the bonuses Django/DRF stuff brings, it will not have a shortage of jobs 😅 its uniform code can scale well enough to million code lines sized products.
usually may be perfect tool for so called full stack developers

[pale wigeon]

hey tell some good laptop around 70k inr

[true harness]

you're gonna have to tell us the currency for that. also, you should use an off topic channel

[pale wigeon]

ok

[lost tapir]

hi

[shrewd parrot]

Hi Guys

Whats happening in python rn lol

[fringe sphinx]

Welcome, check the channel topics. We have some off topic channels if it doesn’t fit into a channel topic. #python-discussion is the main Python-related channel.

[dreamy spade]

What are the job responsibilities of a database administrator?

[fringe sphinx]

Largely depends on the organization. In some places, it's a very devops-y role. In others, it's also a DB programmer / involves app development.

I consider a DBA more of the devops role, and I'd use a different title (DB Programmer).

[true harness]

it really depends on the company, yeah. at my company, DBAs are involved with managing the on prem and cloud DBs, but rarely touch the app itself. also my manager calls us "database developers"

[hexed pike]

Is there any job for part-time python Programmer.

[fringe sphinx]

For more specifics: dba = configure & deploy the database, develop scripts to automate DB maintenance, configure and monitor db services (including backup and replication), and help troubleshoot problems (including some performance analysis)

[hexed pike]

????

[true harness]

the image itself is kinda funny. you have, "Programmer", "Data", "Network"

[buoyant seal]

Administrator.
It can be just an Ops, getting extracted data, doing manual maintenance to db
It can be even using psql heavily.

Or it can be more heavily DevBackend (in some legit programming language) or DevOpsy (infra as a code requirements and usually some big cloud knowledge like AWS,GCP, Azure)

[near ocean]

No, not here

[vapid jay]

here undergraduate studies can take also 6-7 years, specially for engineering (in other places they may be considered as bachelor and masters), but since they talked about masters it reminded me of a PhD time wise

[mellow socket]

guy what should i learn in python to get career

[turbid bobcat]

My interview went well. The solution I got seemed convoluted at the time, but the more I think about it, it was actually super optimized, probly one of the fastest for that problem

[smoky quest]

Optimizations can take on various shapes.
For the purpose of interviews, interviewers will look first and foremost the space or/and time complexity

[smoky quest]

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[turbid bobcat]

Space was O(1), time a bit harder to calculate, but less than or equal to O(n2), naive solution goes like O(n3) and space like O(n)

But he didn't ask about it tho

[mellow socket]

i like python most and im learning the basics in school rn

but what should i do after basics?

[smoky quest]

That's interesting

[smoky quest]

Make projects

[buoyant seal]

https://codingchallenges.fyi/challenges/intro
https://nedbatchelder.com/text/kindling.html
Build simple programms and further.
Practice makes perfection
Anything will do fine, things u desire to build for fun.
If having problems with ideas, then links above can help.

[turbid bobcat]

It was an MLE interviewing and they called it a "technical research interview", originally someone from the software team was gonna interview for a "technical software interview" but they switched last time, I didn't read too much into it and just kinda winged it ig

[mellow socket]

thanks ill try that i lofe you

[vapid jay]

do you want to work in frontend, backend, apps in general or do you prefer data science? if you have an idea it will make easier to choose what to learn first

[mellow socket]

i dont know really im still in high school

[vapid jay]

you can give a look to those areas so you can get an idea of what seems better for you

[buoyant seal]

too early for this advice. i think safe to ignore 😅
just learn languages you like, find what u like, experiment
try everything, desktop developments, cli, mobile, web and etc

[mellow socket]

ok imma keep doing tiny projects

[buoyant seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6rP-YP4c5I

[vapid jay]

do you want to study informatics at college?

[mellow socket]

that is kinda the plan

[vapid jay]

yeah then there makes more sense to test all options

[turbid bobcat]

Y tho

[vapid jay]

you will have time to see what fits you and if other languages could be useful

[buoyant seal]

click for redirect 😅

[mellow socket]

ok but thanks for advice i have to go eat now

[turbid bobcat]

Ah got it

[vapid jay]

132k is nuts for backend

[true harness]

obama, you of all people should understand the median salaries in your country!

[dreamy spade]

Btw. That’s Canadian currency

[vapid jay]

oh

[true harness]

oh

[zealous path]

Jobama

[hybrid sage]

the market is so oversaturated lmao

[true harness]

weren't you muted for doing that exact thing

[hybrid sage]

Who cares dude

weird and i add creepy that you remember me actually.

[zealous path]

Depends on which one

[hybrid sage]

im this close to learning a trade lmao, the entry market is so bad

[hybrid sage]

entry market

[zealous path]

Do you know how little that narrows it down?

[hybrid sage]

... huh. how.

[pine sleet]

Would you like some help? We do resume reviews here & other career related advice that can help you get your foot in the door

[hybrid sage]

thanks but you cant really help me since i dont have a resume

[pine sleet]

Well, then it's logical that one might come to the conclusion that the "entry market is bad" if one does not have a resume

You may find it much less so if you had a good resume

[hybrid sage]

i mean people here tried the "one page" resume from the pins and dont have any luck

[pine sleet]

They probably did not do it well

[true harness]

how did you ascertain that the entry level market is oversaturated if you don't have a resume?

[hybrid sage]

it really doesnt boil down to a resume i think, because literally people from 2020 were hired non-stop despite having an average resume

[hybrid sage]

uhhh that doesnt correlate actually, i can just look on linkedin and listen to people applying who have experience. :/

[white relic]

you could listen to people who have experience right here in this chat

[pine sleet]

Yes, there's an influx of under skilled folks looking to get into the CS industry. They'll get weeded out easily so at the end of the day if your resume is good, you won't have much trouble getting interviews

[hybrid sage]

as much as i like making projects, if i cant make a profit off this then id be happy if someone told me the market will look bleak and can concentrate on learning something else that helps me financially

[hybrid sage]

define under skilled

coding is literally easy

[pine sleet]

These things come and go in the market. Some new AI thing or blockchain thing comes along, and everyone thinks CS is cool and wants to do it. If you're competent you can be above all of that

[true harness]

you have at least 3 people telling you the opposite. are you just looking for a specific answer?

[zealous path]

I will say it’s harder to get the job you want than in previous generations but there still possibilities.
I’m an idiot who took Applied Physics and realised in my 2nd year I’d rather do CompSci.
Due to that I couldn’t get a data engineer/scientist role out of uni.
So I took a data analyst job, now after 2 years I have qualifications for the job I wanted.

[kindred oyster]

you make money by working a job , not by making a buck on your resume projects

[white relic]

the market's kinda hard right now ngl. that's not the same as saying that CS is worthless now

[pine sleet]

Yes, it is. SWE is a lot more than just coding, so if that's all you know, you're already under skilled

[zealous path]

If you’re calling coding easy it means you don’t have much coding knowledge

[hybrid sage]

i dont want a "food in mouth" response, im saying in 2020 people were hired even if they had "bad" resumes. this isnt a resume thing, it's the market

[true harness]

yeah, the market is definitely different from 2020. you need more than a bad resume now

[hybrid sage]

i think everybody going for a computer science bachelor has a goal to get a job in the industry

[kindred oyster]

2020 was a one time thing , more people were needed
now that everything is going back to "normal" the market also seems to be going back to "normal"

[white relic]

aren't you like 19? why are you worried about the job market right now?

[pine sleet]

Isn't not hiring unqualified people a good thing, though?

[hybrid sage]

good job 😄 , i'll still learn and try to see how the market holds up. but for now im sitting on the fence to learn a trade

[pine sleet]

You make it seem like a bad thing that companies don't hire people that aren't fit anymore

[kindred oyster]

the thing you should focus on rn is to get into a good uni with decent placements

[hybrid sage]

i never said that. i'm talking as a person whos gonna graduate

[white relic]

the market will be different by the time you're actually qualified to enter it

[true harness]

graduating this year?

[hybrid sage]

3 years later + probably master if i feel like it and want to learn more

[white relic]

in the mean time, the doomsaying and being rude to people who respond to you gets old fast

[hybrid sage]

but some jobs do require masters for some reaso

[pine sleet]

The market will most likely be fine in 3 or more years if you do a master's

If you're good it doesn't matter either way. You'll find a well paying job easily

[zealous path]

Ngl, the jobs that require a “prestigious” degree are usually BS

It’s the same as “providing a competitive salary”

Buzzwords that don’t mean anything

[white relic]

not too many jobs necessarily require a master's, but lots of companies will hire you at a higher tier for $10k more if you have a master's

[hybrid sage]

i still dont understand people looking into prestigious degrees really

[true harness]

more connections, better resources, mostly

[hybrid sage]

as if a BA isn't enough and doesn't prove you have the necessary skills

[pine sleet]

It has some merits. Isn't always best for you to do (there's a time + money trade off) but it has some advantages

[true harness]

a master's is not the same as a "prestigious" degree 🤔. i take "prestigious" to be the about the school, not the degree itself

[hybrid sage]

anyways, what have you guys been working on recently? we can talk on #python-discussion if you guys want

[true harness]

if you're worried about the market, the steps to getting a job are still the same as before. try to get internships and make impressive projects. network at career fairs and meetups

[hybrid sage]

ive been thinking of getting a rent apartment so i can study in silence

[true harness]

i'm not sure what you mean by this. you simply learn different things in undergrad vs grad school

[true harness]

noise cancelling headphones may be cheaper

[hybrid sage]

you dont need noise cancelling lol, you need closed headphones

[zealous path]

If you’re not making money, it’s not smart to be spending more

[hybrid sage]

and listening to music while studying takes your concentration

[fringe sphinx]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[smoky quest]

Industry expectations will be at least a BSc for most tech jobs.
A masters would open more doors, but in any case, a BA is below expectations

[true harness]

how does "BSc" turn into bachelor's of science

[smoky quest]

20 deletions, insertions, or substitutions

[fringe sphinx]

Some schools offer a CS BA, which is only a few courses differ than a BS

[olive remnant]

Hello, does anyone know any good IT universities in Canada/Europe?

[near ocean]

Do recruiters care about the BA/BS distinction?
I've never been asked about what classes i took in uni

[white relic]

There are thousands of universities in Canada and Europe, and at least hundreds and hundreds that have quality programs in various aspects of IT. If you want to narrow down the search a bit, you probably want to be more specific.
(Like, what region do you want to study in? what degree programs most interest you? do you need financial assistance? etc.)

[smoky quest]

oh wait. I may have read too fast.
I was thinking about AS, not BA.

Not much distinction between BA/BS

[near ocean]

Ok yea that makes sense

[smoky quest]

my bad

[mossy lance]

Hey guys I wanted to just ask where could I find work as a Remote Entry Level Django Developer? .. And, would I only need Django/Jinja to catch a gig or would it also take knowing a Front End Framework?

[gritty rivet]

There are two job boards in the channel description.

But networking is everything: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/advice-for-junior-software-engineers/

[mossy lance]

Thank you man! Appreciate this x100

[thin hatch]

yo

u hiring hackers?

[zealous path]

Europe is vast, you might wanna pick a country

[eager dagger]

Hi does anyone have an idea of ​​a useful python program I could make

[magic horizon]

wdym by useful?

if you just wanna test your skills or wanna play with data structures then try to make a chess clone

if that sounds hard, then try making small games like tic tac toe, rock paper scissor and others

and if you're doing web dev with python, then you can build web apps to interact with those games and share them with others

or if you're doing AI/ML, you can train a model to play some games

Trust me you'll love the process of creating seemingly simple games once you get into it

[eager dagger]

Ty

[topaz yew]

hy

[sly solar]

How can you measure your potential as a python programmer in regards to obtaining a graduate/entry level job

Just to mention I have done projects in other languages before but I am still very inexperienced despite having a bachelors in computing :`)

[buoyant seal]

that's how i got my first job.
Python is popular today in demand to shovel code around in backends 😅

[sly solar]

Definitely agree hence why I decided to make python my current main language

[white relic]

Apply to some jobs, get some interviews and see if you get any offers.
It may sound flippant but this question comes up a lot and I don't think I've seen a better answer. Programming skill and hireability can look very different in different regions, fields and companies

[sly solar]

Gotcha. Think I just need to improve my CV writing skills and interview skills whilst continuing to improve my programming knowledge

[white relic]

Feel free to post your (anonymized) résumé here for feedback

[sly solar]

I'm going to make some changes when I get home from work, then I shall do so 🙂

I have a website portfolio built in html and CSS also though I can't really anonymise that due to he domain name lek

My current project in python is making a collection of card games (nearly finished with blackjack, the second) and then setup a betting system where you start with credits and the goal is to increase your credits without going bust with a save and load system should be good practice and good for the portfolio once I learn how to make UI ^^

[wary drum]

guys i study computer science and im really good at it but when i see a real code in the internet it feels wayyyyy more complicated and overwhelming than the stuff i study is it normal will i be able to easily comprehend this stuff when we study them in class or they will be way more difficult?

[sly solar]

I feel this way, but then I break the code down and begin to understand it. Maybe you just need to take another approach at it

[wary drum]

i do that too but the real code i see on the internet just feels like wayyy too much stuff to handle

[near ocean]

It takes practice

[wary drum]

it's just my 2nd year in computer science tho

[near ocean]

Usual onboarding procedures take weeks if not months before you really start being productive at work

[wary drum]

good to hear

[near ocean]

My current job told me they expect me to be productive and self sufficient 6 months in, not earlier

[wary drum]

any advice on how to improve and be preapered for real code (other than class since i alway get full marks)

[wary drum]

they give u simple tasks in the beggining right?

[near ocean]

Read more code from popular projects
Try and build something "real"

[near ocean]

Yea, they usually start you off slow

[wary drum]

like what for example i built some text based games using python and some stuff using html css and js like sites and calculators and this stuff

[wary drum]

that's good ty for answering

[sly solar]

What qualifications did you have prior

[near ocean]

Try and do more on the deploying side
For web dev try and add dev tools to projects, formatters, linters, CI/CD
Try and follow the architecture of other packages, etc

[sly solar]

I've got a first class bachelor's in general computing with a. Few projects to my name such as mods for games

[near ocean]

Most of my starting and current struggles are with config file being all over the place and dev tools missing

[wary drum]

we didn't study those yet but ill learn them alone anyways thx

[near ocean]

BSc and MSc but you dont really need an MSc for swe

[wary drum]

oh forgot to ask the most important question : you get paid good right ? :)

[near ocean]

Relatively

[wary drum]

better than the average job ?

[near ocean]

Yes definitely

[wary drum]

NICE!!

[near ocean]

That applies to any country i think
Im in the UK

[wary drum]

now im so hyped to study thx yall

[sly solar]

Also UK!

[sly solar]

I think my qualifications are helpful, but lack of experience is my current goal to fix

And it's hard to tell when I'm ready. I learn pretty quickly though I feel atm though I learn better by doing so I've been watching code bros tutorial at 2x speed then doing mini projects every couple hours or so to try to incorporate my knowledge

[near ocean]

Good grades should help you get internships

[sly solar]

Mhmm, like I said I have a first bsc(Hons)

Not a prestigious uni or anything and it's not compsci,j ust comp

[near ocean]

I did my 2 degrees, no internship and got my first job in the pandemic, it was hard but if i managed then anyone can

[sly solar]

Oof

Pandemic doesn't help for sure. I'll work on my cv tonight, and then get some feedback

[sly solar]

Updated and anonymized! At least all the details I care about.

[true harness]

I would not put your age or gender on there. it's not relevant to hiring decisions.
the Stack section can just be condensed to a single line without the blue bar things. your resume should be a single column
you don't need to date your projects, you should move the more impressive ones to the top of the list

[near ocean]

Dont grade your skills either, its weird when you quantity stuff like that
You should look at jake's template which is missing from the pins for some reason

[sly solar]

Grade? I didn't :0

[near ocean]

What are those bars under each skill

[sly solar]

Decor

[near ocean]

Oh, they look like youre implying your skill is maxed out in each of those techs

[sly solar]

The app does force them as experience bars, but I just got rid of all the text to make it just decoration

I'll see if I can get rid of them entirely.

[sly solar]

Honestly for ages I agree but for gender I don't tbh, my current manager said I should definitely use it as companies are super absorbed in chasing diversity.

If the app lets me should I move the employment below the projects since those are more relevant?

[true harness]

yes, i would have projects further up. additionally, i would probably remove some of the older experience and replace them with more projects

[sly solar]

I currently haven't got any more projects to add ywt

Once my card game in python is finished I'll probably add that to my GitHub and portfolio website and chuck it in the cv

[near ocean]

I think youre actually hurting your chances by being so upfront about being trans
There's already good push for women in tech jobs, do you really need this added risk?

[sly solar]

Ehhh I don't see how it's risk? I dunno I've just been told by various employers it's worth putting :0

[near ocean]

Ok, well anyway its not the biggest issue right now, you need to get rid of your multiple columns first

[sly solar]

But I also don't want to deceive any potential employees expecting one gender to get another when/if an interview pops up and if they don't want to hire based on being a trans person, I probably don't want to work in that environment anyways

[near ocean]

This CV is something you give to a person but thats not going to happen early on in your career
(And software is dumb)

[sly solar]

I mainly chose that layout because it's aesthetically pleasing aha

[near ocean]

Yea, for you, a human
Machines are stupid

[sly solar]

I also need to get a more professional photo for it, currently just a selfie ahaha

[near ocean]

No pictures on the CV, thats instant rejection

[sly solar]

Eh?

[near ocean]

It opens the company to risk of litigation and discrimination suits

[true harness]

it's the same with any other protected characteristics you include

[sly solar]

That seems counter productive

Surely if they don't want discrimination suits the best thing to do is not discriminate?

Rejecting a cv because it has protected characteristics in itself could be considered discrimination surely

As opposed to rejecting due to skill

Well I suppose the point here isn't what's morally right but what's best for my hiring so I guess you're right if that's the case

[true harness]

yeah, that's the point. if you reject someone that includes these details, it could be alleged that you're discriminating unfairly. if you have a blanket policy that always rejects resumes that include such details, then there isn't any unfair discrimination

[sly solar]

Very true

I can't remove the column from this CV app unfortunately. I'll probably have to just rewrite it on word or something instead

Alright here's the updated version with most of the suggestions taken into account

[near ocean]

Yea the 2 col layout is bad
Personal details should be in the header
Skills bottom i guess

[sly solar]

I found an option to remove the column but it takes up more than a page

[sly solar]

Does exactly that

Nevermind I've found a fix! One momento

This should Be more suitable?

[delicate bane]

i guess this doesnt really surprise me:

[near ocean]

Better
I wouldnt self title though, and put your details next to or under your name like so
Dont date your projects as mentioned and drop the "additional" part in the subheading

[true harness]

link study?

[sly solar]

Yup was already planning to drop additional. I'll see what I can do about the placement of my details

[near ocean]

Projects arent ever done, you'll find this out when youre hired

[delicate bane]

bro its going to be a wsj paywall if its from them

[true harness]

the study wasn't by WSJ, they reported on it

[delicate bane]

well the article works for me. maybe its that reflink https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/college-degree-jobs-unused-440b2abd?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink&st=esuycpaipkott9n

[near ocean]

Archive it

[sly solar]

I can't move the details, I can either move the name into details and replace it with curriculum vitae, or I can have my name is both the title and the personal details at the top

[near ocean]

It might just be better to make the CV yourself in latex or even word

[sly solar]

Maybe

Should I rename stack to skills?

[near ocean]

Yes, and you should add more things
DBs, devtools, specific packages, etc

[sly solar]

Alright

I haven't really worked with many DBs other than SQL and oracledb, not packages

I suppose I should Iclude source tree, vscode, unity?

[delicate bane]

lolol.

also thought this would be interesting to you:

Nearly half of people who majored in biology and biomedical sciences—47%—remained underemployed five years after graduating. Likewise, business majors less focused on quantitative skills, such as marketing and human resources, were twice as likely to be underemployed than those with math-intensive business degrees, such as accounting or finance. The data cover graduates who didn’t get master’s or other advanced degrees after college.

[near ocean]

Archive link btw
https://archive.is/xii90

[near ocean]

Should i tell the gf she's now part of a statistic or would she be mad at me you think

[sly solar]

It's funny, my friend and my exgf both studied bio chem kek

[near ocean]

A little bit of stats, python and comp work and they could switch to bioinformatics

[sly solar]

Well one now does data science she knows python

And my ex works in laboratories with chemistry researching medicine but she uses python too ahaha

[near ocean]

Nice, in cambridge i assume?

Theres only a handful of places for biotech stuff in the uk

[sly solar]

Naw london

I think I mispoke, I mean natural chemistry

Oh, for my practice and learning, think it's worth buying an old mini pc to run as a server?

Could prolly get them for like £45 on eBay I suspect + a little extra ram

[white relic]

if that's in line with things you find interesting, definitely

you'll likely learn a lot about running a server depending on how far into it you go

[sly solar]

It sounds like a useful thing for practice

[turbid bobcat]

You can also get free tier servers with cloud providers if you'd like to circumvent costs

[sly solar]

I didnt know that, thats helpful to know 🙂 thank you

[turbid bobcat]

Just be careful not to run one that costs money to then get a huge bill at the end of the month.

I mean, you're not really obliged to pay if you make a mistake, you can just abandon the account.

[sly solar]

kekk

[prime oar]

if i learn python what can i do ? after that if i am schhol dropout student

[near ocean]

You should go back to school

[wintry coral]

Hello can anyone help me, I have a python program in English and I want to translate it into python language. Is there a channel provided for this?

[deft herald]

You can open a help channel
#❓｜how-to-get-help

[delicate bane]

you can tell her and if she gets mad you can blame it on me

just show her the charts. its not just her major

[near ocean]

Wild chart

[spring notch]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maanasa-ganesh-463132223_googleindia-buildforeveryone-lifeatgoogle-activity-7122163974715961344-HSDE?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
y'all kindly show some support for this post!!

[deft herald]

why?

[white relic]

Those numbers seem very high tbh. I wonder how they measure underemployment. Asking people "does your job require college level skills?" seems ripe for self-reporting bias

[delicate bane]

the report is linked

well its linked from the wsj link. 2nd order link

[white relic]

Ah, didn't scroll enough

I could argue that my job rarely requires any particular skills I learned in college. But, like, if I were hiring my replacement, I'd want someone with better education than me, tbh

[delicate bane]

the report is super long https://www.burningglassinstitute.org/research/underemployment

seems to have only focused on undergrads i think

[tawdry sable]

Which cv would u more likely to hire

OR

[near ocean]

The one without the typos

[tawdry sable]

Which one has typos bro

[near ocean]

AWARADS is the first thing i saw

[tawdry sable]

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Thats why i got rejected 500 times ffsssss

[near ocean]

It do be like that sometimes

Surprised it doesnt highlight it

[tawdry sable]

If ur a hiring manger which candidate would you hire? Forget about the typo

[fast fossil]

what is happening here?

[tawdry sable]

ok people notice that i guess,my formatting was weird so i added a textbox instead

[crisp stream]

Also, Go is generally not stylized as GO

[near ocean]

Your work experience is pretty anemic looking in the first one

[true harness]

are you manually adding newlines?

[tawdry sable]

no i downloaded a template

[true harness]

the text here should go all the way to the right margin. would save space, less clutter

[tawdry sable]

and it would just write to half the page mark and the rest is in a new line which i didnt like

I have never seen a cv like that tho

this is the guidelines i used from MIT handbook thats online

[true harness]

yeah, the text goes all the way to the right side

[tawdry sable]

Do u know how to run/compile latex documents in my pc i think ill switch my cv to a latex format one

[true harness]

you don't need it locally, you can just use overleaf

[tawdry sable]

ok

[hearty island]

overleaf is awesome

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> like the fourth time now

[azure heart]

!ban 777190294143631391 Seems like you're just here to advertise

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @formal flame permanently.

[whole flare]

overleaf >>

[lost cypress]

any advice on this resume? aside from adjusting it based on job descriptions, how can I make it stand out??

I am a junior in university trying to get my first internship and I am honestly worried I’m gonna be jobless when I graduate next year and I have been applying to internships and building my network with recruiters/swe’s on LinkedIn, is that the best I can do for now?

any tips are appreciated

are those projects too weak for an internship perhaps?

[fast fossil]

how about "looking for" instead of "trying to get"

[fast fossil]

wait, what is this code formatted section?

[smoky quest]

yeah, they are on the weak side.

• All your projects are read as: REST + python backend + sometimes frontend. Except for the first one that has some ML, it's 4 times the same thing. I am not learning anything new about you.
• Your AI project would count as another API project. Calling Gemini APIs does not make it ML/AI.
• Your first project is unclear in terms of your personal contributions vs the rest of your team
• Your hackathon prize winner sound the same than your first project? It also doesn't specify anything other than it was a website. It doesn't demonstrate any skill

So in essence, it would be great to demonstrate more breadth and depth to your skills

[lost cypress]

sorry there was honestly no point in me formatting that part lol

[lost cypress]

really good points

[smoky quest]

Try to think about some cool technical things you did, that are above average applicants, and that you would want the reader to know

[lost cypress]

yeah now that I think about it i did not really highlight what i exactly did for that group project in my projects section i kind of just explained the project and what it does/what we used

[lost cypress]

could you give an example perhaps?

[smoky quest]

for instance how you had to implement paxos for a distributed system.

[lost cypress]

hmmm

[smoky quest]

Or how you have leveraged websockets to include real time updates. And handled failures so that no event is lost for the user

[lost cypress]

I don't have many projects outside of the ones that are on my resume currently

[smoky quest]

something that isn't just "did an http call and converted the response"

[lost cypress]

so i should probably look into creating a more unique one for sure

do you have a recommendation for a project that could really stand out for an internship resume and could be done in like a week or 2?

[smoky quest]

there is no shortcut and no magic.
If there were awesome projects to stand out within a week or two, everyone would already have them and no one would stand out

[lost cypress]

Ofc it isnt good to rush anything but im not trying to rush, only look for a project that is not a long term one.

Due to my time constraints of securing an internship for the summer

[smoky quest]

• Look for other student posting there resumes here for ideas
• Find inspiration in school projects and go deeper (ex: make your own language interpreter/compiler, compression, etc.)

[lost cypress]

sounds good

[lost cypress]

also for this, should I expect my post grad life to be extremely difficult if I do not get an internship for this summer? if I am graduating in spring 2025

[digital fjord]

In general, try to make a project where you have interesting answers to the interviewers questions.

[lost cypress]

during an interview, do they tend to ask questions directly about the projects on a resume?

like straighjt up "tell me about {random project on resume}"

[digital fjord]

As per my experience and this channel, yes. Usually not quite so explicit though

[lost cypress]

got it

[fringe sphinx]

I’ll often ask exactly that.

[blazing harbor]

They probably ask you more like “tell me a project that you demonstrated [blank]”

But could be possible

[true harness]

more likely it'll be more general, "tell me a time", so you can draw from experience, school stuff, etc

[fringe sphinx]

I go with what’s on the resume more than the general ‘tell me a time’ stuff. But that’s my personal preference with entry level: I think the ‘tell me a time’ questions are better for senior+ candidates

[summer roost]

they're not mutually exclusive, either. "Tell me about {random project on resume}" is a good icebreaker question, and a way to get a candidate talking about themselves. "Tell me about a time when..." is useful when probing for specific soft skills

[lost cypress]

good point

[vapid jay]

Hey everyone

I was hoping to start a career in programming

I’m honestly not sure where to start I’ve applied for many positions I have interest in

[near ocean]

Your experience, which you should go into more detail in, covers 2000-2010 then jumps to 2020-now
What happened in those 10 years?

[vapid jay]

School 🙌

[near ocean]

School thats not listed on the resume?

[vapid jay]

Pretty much full sail

[near ocean]

An associates took you 10 years to complete?

[vapid jay]

Yes

[near ocean]

Are you sure? Associate's take 2 years in most places, theyre even shorter than bachelor's

[vapid jay]

I was going for a bachelors and have all the credits for a bachelors but never completed it due to a life emergency

Yes 👍 I am positive sir I only was awarded An associates

[near ocean]

Ok, as long as you can explain why the dates dont match up

[vapid jay]

Oh never really thought about it, have only had one ☝️ interview after “graduation”

Startup culture is ummmm… difficult to bootstrap alone

[near ocean]

Your work experience section is very small, you need to go into more detail about that you did

Are both the experiences your own startups?

[vapid jay]

I founded a startup and did pretty much everything from r&d, to product design, to business management

No the other is my family’s business it’s a pretty successful restaurant that brings in about $2m a year in revenue

But I’m no longer involved in the family businesss 🤦🏽

I’m trying to find a project to work for I’m a seasoned developer/programmer at least went it comes to core programming

But yeah I need all the help I can get financially and professionally 😔

Meta, Apple, Google was my hope but I guess I’m not smart(or nice enough) 🤷‍♂️ I love augmented reality (spatial, metaverse)

A nice stable-high-income with a team the requires responsible management or a high level of creativity would be ideal. 😔

[strange nova]

Hey, you should put some projects that show how good you are at coding on here

[near ocean]

There really is no indication of how good you are/what you did
And working at a place with your own last name on it might have some negative effects

[gentle flicker]

Is the job as a programmer fun?

I've been wondering it since many days

[vapid jay]

Sure, they aren’t python they were done in unity using c# it’s been a while: https://caraveo.gitbook.io/exo/the-story-of-exo/exo/the-type

https://youtu.be/E5mDpCSa5Xg?si=VG7C790DkE-DsuY_

[strange nova]

This looks cool, but what do you mean when you say "you used code from a game called the shadow" ? Was there a license that permitted doing that? But definitely get more of this good stuff on your resume there , it shows off your skills moreso than just listing them

[strange nova]

Try thinking about problems and coding up things all day and see if you like it

[vapid jay]

Oh used some public code/tutorial

Part of it 😃 I don’t really want to do game development was interested in platform development like metaverse infrastructure projects

I just want a career 😞

Since my start up failed spectacularly

[near ocean]

You might have to curb your expectations
First you should add to your work experience section

[strange nova]

You can definitely get a start in IT at the least, I've been in the same boat, there's no shame in it.

[boreal summit]

Hey guys, this is my CV. I need your honest opinion if this formula can work or not. Heard some HR saying that these kinds of CVs don't even pass to an interview, while others say it doesn't matter. As well as your opinion in the content. Thanks!
Note: No Data experience here yet, only in VFX

[fringe sphinx]

First: pictures/head shots are very country specific. In some places, they’re not used. In others, they’re expected. So, I’ll not comment on that.

[thin sage]

need projects related to web developing and seo

[fringe sphinx]

For the layout, for a two column layout, this appears very professionally done at first glance. Its graphic design is good.

We don’t really like two column layouts though, it’s a bit non-standard, and we tend to use less ‘flashy’ layouts

In terms of substance; the ‘paragraphs’ of text under your profile and jobs are not good. Be short, to the point: crisp bullet points

[boreal summit]

Exactly, that's what I am afraid of. The filtering process can detect some aspects of this CV and automatically kicks it out. I just used my VFX old CV and updated it with more Data-oriented stuff tbh.

[fringe sphinx]

We recommend this resume a lot: https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

Another resume template is here: #career-advice message

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, we call that ATS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applicant_tracking_system

There are ATS checkers, google for them. I can’t recommend one, but I hear many candidates will check their resume using them.

[boreal summit]

Thank you so much. What about the content itself?
I have been in the VFX industry for 8 years and i am looking to shift. I can't say much about my experience being more data-oriented because it's not expect for my current job that has some data stuff in it.

[fringe sphinx]

Shift to what?

[boreal summit]

Data Analysis

[fringe sphinx]

Substance wise: rewrite each section to be bullet points. Try to emphasize the data aspect of VFX (it’s not unrelated) and any scripting or automation you’ve done.

Nothing here shows any programming skills, other than Python in bottom left

Projects. Add some meaningful projects

[boreal summit]

I have GitHub and Medium for sharing my data analysis projects, do i need to also add that to my cv?

[fringe sphinx]

For sure, say less about your jobs and your profile (not that important.. one sentence or none is fine)

Separately, there’s always the question: what should I learn next to be better? After updating the resume, that’s a good question here or in #data-science-and-ml

[boreal summit]

Can I sum up my vfx experience into 2 categories, my management current job, and the 7 years before that without having to be specific about where these jobs and when?
Like Job 1: Current Job
Job 2: All previous jobs combined

[boreal summit]

Is this included in the CV as well, or it's a general advise from you?

[fringe sphinx]

I’d start with listing the jobs individually, you have enough work experience and I -think- you could argue that VFX taught you relevant skills.

[fringe sphinx]

General

Data analysis is a big space. You can never know enough

[boreal summit]

But I can talk about how my skills in these jobs related to coding or data analysis collectively? Without having to mention each job? Because most jobs didn't actually. Only later ones kind of did, where I learned coding in VFX, and analysis.
If i talk about each job individually, there won't be a lot to say other than that I used some coding skills to do some automations here and there, but nothing solid.

[fringe sphinx]

I’d start with one bullet about each job.

And then see how much space you have. It’s preferred to list each job individually.

[boreal summit]

Will do so, thanks a lot @fringe sphinx. Much appreciated.

[fringe sphinx]

For Arqam, you could collapse this to one section, even though you had two jobs.

That’s common

[boreal summit]

Definitely, I never stopped learning VFX for 8 years.

[boreal summit]

Yeah. Didn't want to make it look like I was a manager more time than I actually did 😄

[white relic]

It's understood that when you put a title on your résumé it's generally the last, most prestigious title you held while at that company.

[boreal summit]

Really? never heard of that until now.

[white relic]

If the last title isn't the one you want to emphasize I have known people to put something else

[fringe sphinx]

You could also add a bullet; ‘Hired on as a VFX Artist and promoted to Head.. etc’

Like Trentj says, it’s also about the story you want to tell.

[boreal summit]

Got it!

[strange nova]

We needs more projects Omar 🙂

[boreal summit]

Didn't now I had to include projects in CVs, thought if i attached github or medium along with the CV, that would suffice

[strange nova]

The resume needs to "wow" people reading it in the first thirty seconds or so before they lose interest , bullet points like we said here before with your most marketable points

[placid haven]

I need a code editor for x32bit laptop

[final sinew]

Tell me Which linux is better for a programmer

[fringe sphinx]

This is #career-advice , you can ask in one of the off topic channels or #python-discussion

[tawdry sable]

any tbh

if u want something to get u started on i would say pop os since it has the same as ubuntu for everything so its most likely supported and easy or fedora which is made by redhad which is owned by IBM its good

they are easy to install aswell, if u want watch the ltt linux installtion[

[acoustic phoenix]

I personally use ubuntu. It's worked great for me so far.

[rotund mantle]

I like ubuntu as well. kali is good for security related stuff.

[coarse dust]

I'd recommend ubuntu. I use parrot myself but ubuntu is pretty solid.

[vapid jay]

hi who can help me

i creating video sharing appilacation with flask

[near ocean]

Not the channel for help
Use #❓｜how-to-get-help

[warm herald]

im 16 and have a goal to start learning a high income skill at home by myself. I saw coding and was interested in it but dont know if i actually will be interested and if its worth it

[fringe sphinx]

Best thing to do is: pick a simple tutorial and write some simple programs. It can be hard at first, but when you build up some experience, you’ll get good and find things you enjoy.

[fringe sphinx]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vapid jay]

@fringe sphinx hey again brother if u can give me simple help this time it would be much apperciated. https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1211014337129611274

[fringe sphinx]

Pick a beginner resource from that site. A Byte of Python and Automate the Boring Stuff are popular.

And when you get stuck or need project ideas, ask for help in #python-discussion

[fringe sphinx]

Can’t help now but ask in #python-discussion

[warm herald]

hmm alright thank you

[fringe sphinx]

Me, I like programming because I like solving puzzles/problems. Programming feels very creative to me, and it’s satisfying being able to build something with just my computer

[warm herald]

should i still do this if i am going to pick computer science as a subject in school or am i wasting my time

[fallen owl]

Can you share resources i have learned python

[warm herald]

and yeah i think i would be interested in that aswell

[fringe sphinx]

Yes. For sure. You don’t need to become an expert or anything, but you should know the basics… it’ll make freshman year so much easier

[fringe sphinx]

Red

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[warm herald]

thanks for ur time

[proud glacier]

still do what, practice and study on your own time?

[proud glacier]

(meant to reply to this)

[warm herald]

no start to learn computer science like python now even though im going into a year next year where it will be chosen as a subject and i will learn it from scratch there

[true harness]

yes. while it's not necessary to program before doing CS in school, you will be at an advantage. intro courses will be easier, and probably more fun. and even after you're in school, you should still keep programming outside of school

[proud glacier]

if you end up being genuinely interested in CS, you'll appreciate having started earlier and on your own. even once your CS class starts you should keep learning and making stuff unrelated to it. you shouldn't aim to learn it purely through an academic class. programming needs an amount of undirected exploring.

[warm herald]

thank you

[warm herald]

30 mins* a day enough? for now maybe

[mellow socket]

guys how did you learn python?

[vapid jay]

I need help! Should I major in Computer Science or Cybersecurity?

[fringe sphinx]

Have you looked at the curriculum differences?

[vapid jay]

Yes.

[fringe sphinx]

Which one interests you?

[vapid jay]

That's the problem, they both do!

[mellow socket]

do both

[proud glacier]

Maybe? It depends on your level of interest, your attention span, and how productive you are in that time. I never set time limits like that personally.

[mellow socket]

guys how you learn python?

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[hybrid sage]

It would be cool if there was a channel for referrals in this time

[terse hatch]

i have cisco certificate is good?

for my career steps

[hybrid sage]

I have a question. do certificates have the same importance as bachelor degrees in CS?

[terse hatch]

i dont know

[hybrid sage]

ngl the market for juniors looks so scary like damn

[terse hatch]

i didnt understand ur question sorry can you say again

[hybrid sage]

@terse hatch the last post i made or this one?

[terse hatch]

this

[hybrid sage]

so you know bootcamps that give you a certificate, right?

[terse hatch]

yea

[little basalt]

hi

[hybrid sage]

my question was if they help you look good to the recruiter or they're not that important

[terse hatch]

That's what I was asking

[hybrid sage]

welp, gotta wait for someone experienced to answer

[terse hatch]

Türküm kanka bende sana soracaktım

[spiral dirge]

I think having nowadays a degree or a certificate in a related computer course will be at your advantage since there is a rise of self-taught programmer and also have the skills of programming and DAS and algorithms

[hybrid sage]

https://tenor.com/view/damono-damonoland-keydamono-gif-24715005

[terse hatch]

AUUUUUU türkler birbirini yine buldu be

[terse hatch]

ISJSJSBSJSNSJSNKwks

kod yazıyor musun

ne öğrendin en son

güzel de döngü falan biliyor musun

[peak halo]

Please speak only English

[little basalt]

yes okey okey

[terse hatch]

what should we do

[fringe sphinx]

No. Not even close.

[terse hatch]

i have cisco certificate

[little basalt]

ı dont know

[fringe sphinx]

There’s a more nuanced answer of: what job? What certificate? What experience? Etc.

For a SWE, a bachelors is normal starting point.

[terse hatch]

so, is Cisco certification good @fringe sphinx

[fringe sphinx]

Good for what?

And what cert ?

For sure, that’s a well respected one for PMs

Haven’t seen a six sigma black belt in a while, but great stuff

But what’s your education?

[terse hatch]

how old are you

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, fwiw, I assumed a bachelors if you were going for those certs

[terse hatch]

me 15 .D

[fringe sphinx]

My old man advice: learn a -little- programming now. You don’t need to be an expert. Take math seriously, find a way to ‘love’ math (not math class, but math the subject)

And aim for a CS or similar degree in University (if this is what you want)

[terse hatch]

thanks

[fringe sphinx]

Getting good at programming is a long slow process, so don’t stress or try to rush it.

[terse hatch]

i have cisco certificate is good? for my career steps

[terse hatch]

thanks

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I recommend CS only because it can shift into different fields easily… not that I think it’s better at the end.

Fair but I also think we’ve been there for a while: coding is what beginners think about (more or less)

[terse hatch]

I wonder how old you are

[fringe sphinx]

My kids are older than you 🙂

[terse hatch]

oh

[fringe sphinx]

This server has people at every age/skill level/etc.

Besides luck?

Corollary: chance favors the prepared mind - L Pasteur

Anyway, I can speak to luck in my career:

[terse hatch]

i think you are high level

[fringe sphinx]

I took a few ‘risky’ moves: when I felt I wasn’t learning or growing, I took new challenges.

I went to a high growth startup fairly early , which grew quick and blew up even quicker. Learned a lot.

(Blew up = failed)

Through that, I had built a good network, so landed some consulting projects. One of which was for a big tech company who wanted to learn from my startup.

Ended up getting hired there, and learned a lot about big company process

(Eventually becoming a manager)

Left there, did some consulting, and joined another startup.

[terse hatch]

nice

[fringe sphinx]

But the point here is; when I stopped growing, I found the next opportunity (sometimes the opportunity was within same company)

I think experience/changing jobs is essential. You want to accumulate a breadth of experience. I do appreciate that this is my mindset, and everyone has different biases: I know many people who stuck it out in that failing startup and stayed there even though they were miserable.

[terse hatch]

I want to be one in the future too, but how can I become one?

[fringe sphinx]

Accumulate experience. Diverse experience.

(Not specialization)

-Anything- new is good. Big tech is not that different than small tech, from an engineers vantage point. (Management is different)

[terse hatch]

i understand thanks

[vapid jay]

Im in college rn, using python to code for projects. Any advice from anyone about uni and stuff? People are saying a degree is useless, but i still plan on studying CompSC at cambridge or something (if im lucky lol) and i'm already gaining experience from projects, and ops?

[fringe sphinx]

Don’t assume that you have any ability to determine whether you’ll like a job. I am quite risk tolerant, personality wise: I’ve taken some ‘dumb’ moves.

[fringe sphinx]

Who says that?

[balmy spade]

However, it's challenging to identify organizations that need my skill sets in a way that allows me to continue my experience growth.

Be mindful, the organization you work with has not impacted your ability to grow now. Nor will it be a limiting factor later. You have control over that aspect of your life. The org might not always give you all the opportunity you want, but that's why we can always change who we work for.

[fringe sphinx]

FYI, in US we call college and uni the same thing, so sometimes answers get confusing

[vapid jay]

Not sure, but classmates are telling me that degrees don't pay that much more so idk just needed confirmation

[fringe sphinx]

Your classmates don’t know jack 🙂

[terse hatch]

how can i join

[vapid jay]

ah my bad, i'm in highschool right now and am a junior (11th grade i think its called)

[fringe sphinx]

I understand 🙂 it’s very hard to land a SWE job without a degree (or without a lot of effort)

[vapid jay]

Yeah have them all backed up and stuff on a portfolio

[terse hatch]

thanks

[vapid jay]

makes sense, thank you! Btw, did you need to study physics to get into a CompSC course?

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to work in AI or Ml, you’ll likely want a graduate degree (masters) too

[hybrid sage]

is it true the market for juniors is looking bad right now in 2024?

[fringe sphinx]

I can’t speak to UK programs. In US, most Uni’s require physics or another physical science

[balmy spade]

It's looked better. But it has also looked quite a lot worse.

[vapid jay]

Fair enough, thank you!

[hybrid sage]

i think the time i finish my BA in CS will be in 2027 cause im entering this year

[vapid jay]

I'm studying further maths and maths right now in the uk at a selective school, but planning on dropping physics since it seems so tiring and unrelated lmfao. Cool subject, but not something i'd wanna sit a final exam on yk but thank you! I've grasped calculus, if that's how challenging it gets then it's looking good

[smoky quest]

lots of folks expect the market to significantly get better as the outlook for 2024 firms up by June

And so companies feel more comfortable hiring

[fringe sphinx]

Anecdotally: we don’t hear from a lot of graduates complaining that they can’t find work.

Internships are tough, for sure

[smoky quest]

I have worked with quite a few great engineers that were physics majors 😉

[hybrid sage]

I hope, as much as I like coding, if the market is still bleak I'll just learn a trade through apprentice ship or a course

[balmy spade]

Physics was the only math I enjoyed in high school. Great problems to solve.

[fringe sphinx]

Hi, welcome, but we don’t allow ads or recruiting!

[smoky quest]

You are graduating in 2027. That's quite far out.
For the sake of the example, if you walk back to 2020-2021, these were great years for hiring

[vapid jay]

I enjoyed further maths more tbh. Physics was the more interesting typa maths but always slightly harder 💀

[balmy spade]

Got to play to your strengths. I'm not much of a math person. I can learn what I need and I politely ignore math for the rest of the time. ;)

[smoky quest]

To note also that math in college is very different from the math in high school.
It's common to hate math in HS and discover it's actually quite cool once you hit college and starts having real use

[fringe sphinx]

I love math more now than I ever did in any level of school

[buoyant seal]

i liked math in school. and then i entered university where this love was mercileslly squashed by trying to understand very quickly written Chinese looking like symbols on boards by chalk 😅

and anyway, i hoped learning programming instead of math in uni. all the years in university i prayed, may be this year will be different and at last we will have mostly programming instead of maths? but my prays were never answered. (it was all the math until the very graduation)

[hearty island]

i just realized something. i should be applying to internal roles at my company. the only problem is that i have to clear that up with my people leader aka my boss at the company that i’m applying to roles outside her department. anyone have any ideas on how i should approach that conversation?

[fringe sphinx]

You’re an intern. That seems like a fairly easy conversation: I’m graduating, I’d like to check out a few different opportunities within the company.

[hearty island]

yeah, that sounds good to me

[hearty island]

she’s been a bit abrasive tho lately

[fringe sphinx]

Just act oblivious, is my suggestion.

Like: just ignore and not worry about what they think. Just matter of fact, not apologetic. It’s super normal.

[hearty island]

she completely snapped during my 1:1 and was like jesus do i have to spoonfeed you everything? do you understand problem management enough to create the training program or not?

then she took it back a notch and was like ok maybe you should meet with your coworkers and see how they created stuff

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, even more reason to act oblivious.

[hearty island]

i was networking with a coworker actually and i helped her do some excel stuff and she said she’d talk to her manager about me and that they’d like to potentially make me a contract worker for the team

(assuming there is space in the budget)

[hearty island]

it was basic excel, lookups, index match, pivot tables

[fringe sphinx]

Pivot tables is dark magic to some ppl

[hearty island]

i don’t understand why though, it’s just a way of condensing data… into a readable format?

[fringe sphinx]

I showed an accountant pivot tables a few weeks ago, this is someone who lives in Excel. Said it was a life changer.

[blazing harbor]

Wow amazing

[fringe sphinx]

He was older than me, fwiw. Entire career without pivots.

[hearty island]

instead of saying “you should do this on your own” i decided to hold her hand and walk her through the entire process

[blazing harbor]

For me, I think like some of the stuff is quite interesting like you have done leetcode and you have seen Catalan numbers and stuff

I mean that’s the amount of binary trees with n branches or amount of valid n parentheses

[round river]

is it good to do AP computer science for preparation for learning programming

[blazing harbor]

And it’s like now we can make a generating function for it (where like the coef for a_n is attached to x^n)

[blazing harbor]

I’d say does little to no good. Poorly designed class but better than nothing

[round river]

I see, thanks

[fringe sphinx]

I want to disagree with you, but I think you’re right. It’s better than nothing, but high school programming can suck the fun out of the subject.

[true harness]

I agree, CSA bad. the course is generally not great. but I would say to self study the exam to get the credit

[fringe sphinx]

Main plus is just getting college credit for intro to programming

[blazing harbor]

Yeah that’s very true, but if you don’t have too much experience, you jump straight into introductory data structures (at umich) and most students face major difficulty

[fringe sphinx]

My son took intro to programming at a local U over the summer, instead of AP CS. Still got college credit for it, and knocked it out in 12 weeks

[blazing harbor]

Which could be pretty brutal for a lot of people. It really depends on your experience with CS

I guess there’s no race, but there is also no point going over stuff you already know

[blazing harbor]

Billy I feel like more students need to be introduced to some proofs outside of geometry

Personally it was the proof for sqrt(2) is irrational

That really got me into math

[vapid jay]

do universities care if i take ap cs or will i get endlessly shamed and laughed at for wasting my money (or both)

(i live in canada and i am currently gr. 10 (15-16 years old))

[zealous path]

(From the U.K.)
What’s AP CS?

I’m guessing CS is Computer Science

[vapid jay]

advanced placement computer science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Computer_Science

i'm not exactly sure (which is why i'm asking)

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, basically

The course doesn’t grant college credit, but there’s a test you take afterwards that does (provided you get a good enough score and the university accepts)

[fringe sphinx]

Take it if you have the option. It’ll help your college application, it’ll help you learn a new topic, but just remember it’s just covering fundamental programming skills

[vapid jay]

sorry if my question was not clear but should i take ap computer science if i'm already confident in my programming skills? i.e. should i take it just so i can say i took it?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, in my opinion

Altho: ap calc, etc are more important

[pine sleet]

Sure. It will be easy for you then, and it often lets you skip intro to CS in your first semester

[true harness]

imo no. there's no need to take the course if you're not going to learn anything. just self study the exam

[vapid jay]

not the course but the exam

[fringe sphinx]

My rationale for taking course is: AP courses look good on transcript

[vapid jay]

(i am already planning to take ap calc ab in my gr.12 year, so any other ap exams will be on top of that)

[fringe sphinx]

So an easy A on an AP is goodness. But the question is: what wouldn’t you take?

[true harness]

yes, and for the low low price of extreme boredom and opportunity cost of another course

[fringe sphinx]

Agree, for sure

[pine sleet]

That's good. Even better if you can take BC

[fringe sphinx]

To PSVs point, opportunity cost. You can test out without taking the class, regardless.

[sly solar]

So, I'm trying to flesh out more portfolio, once I've finished my blackjack game with a UI, can anyone make suggestions for further projects?

I was thinking of a task manager for database manipulation and a messenging app for server experience.

Neat 🙂

Texas sounds much harder to make
though that might be because I dont know how to play really

ahaha

I'm probably the opposite

[hearty island]

well it turns out if you apply to an internal role, it automatically notifies your people leader

so i’m not sure if acting oblivious is the solution here

this lowkey makes me think that they don’t want people moving around in the organization period

[versed totem]

sounds like a good way to keep your leader on their toes

[true harness]

i thought they meant, "act oblivious to their abrasiveness"

[hearty island]

ah ok

yeah i have no idea what’s gonna happen to me on tuesday, i have 4 meetings back to back to back to back

3 are with coworkers, one is with my manager lol

[fringe sphinx]

You’re an intern. Why wouldn’t you apply to other jobs?

Did they offer you a job already?

[hearty island]

not a full time one

[hearty island]

just an infinite internship

yeah same reaction here

it is what it is

[balmy spade]

If someplace said to me, "We're just going to keep extending your internship", I'd be out of there the next offer I got.

[hearty island]

that’s what i’m planning to do

[vital wyvern]

Thoughts on applying to a job that lists a Bachelor's degree as a requirement; but with a rapidly approaching graduation date and significantly higher levels of vetted certifications?

E.g., they're asking for Sec+ on a job, I have... significantly more impactful certifications.
And they require a B.S., but I'll be very close to mine depending on how fast the hiring process goes.

[fringe sphinx]

What I’m saying is: if they haven’t offered you a post internship job, you should be unapologetic about applying to other positions within the company.

[vital wyvern]

What the hell is the point of having a resume if I have to manually submit all this information..

[hearty island]

workday? i don't have that problem with greenhouse

[vital wyvern]

Ultipro it looks like.

[hearty island]

ah yikes i know that one

[hearty island]

UKG? that shit is atrocious

[true harness]

yeah that's not great. workday is pretty good because i can just autofill

[hearty island]

ukg also has shitty password management.

[blazing harbor]

hmm @fringe sphinx I have a question lowkey if we test through problems that were made my humans that obviously test a specific skill

what happens if we need to do some research that needs like out of the box thinking

[vital wyvern]

Oh wait I had an option to upload my resume I just missed it. They don't ask about any personal projects though...

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t understand the premise

[blazing harbor]

"In every math competition I know of, the problems presented are already known to have solutions, and have been “reverse-engineered” by real mathematicians to not just have solutions, but likely very clever ones, often involving a symmetry or invariant (geometric or algebraic), about which the designer of the problem understands deeply. So to do well, contestants must be able to “see” a trick, that is already known to exist."

"The job of a real mathematician is to extend mathematics into the unknown, where nobody has ever been, and it is not known if there is a solution, a symmetry, or other underlying structure about which anybody yet knows a thing. This involves a very different kind of thinking, closer to art perhaps, and a kind of bravery of journeying into an unknown world, using inductive reasoning, and pulling in tools and techniques from other mathematical fields or possibly even physics which nobody else had ever thought related." 🤔 but this holds true even for like exams in math

[fringe sphinx]

Reminds me of Knuth: “Email is a wonderful thing for people whose role in life is to be on top of things. But not for me; my role is to be on the bottom of things. What I do takes long hours of studying and uninterruptible concentration. I try to learn certain areas of computer science exhaustively; then I try to digest that knowledge into a form that is accessible to people who don't have time for such study.”

[gritty rivet]

this holds true even for like exams in math

No, the quote is very much talking about knowledge production / original research. Most working engineers are doing nothing of this kind. There are occasional opportunities for us to be original but overwhelmingly we're trying to master the accurate and efficient repetition of implementing solutions to problems that have already been solved before

[fringe sphinx]

Hmm. I have conflicting opinions here…

[smoky quest]

math exams are very clean, constrained and bounded.
Real life is very messy and full of unknowns. There is a lot of room for creativity

[fringe sphinx]

Like, maybe it’s more like; the creative application of patterns we’ve seen, there’s some creativity even though it’s within the confines of what’s already been done.

[smoky quest]

a bad analogy is like being an architect. You may build bridges and buildings that do have to meet requirements that are super technical, but they can also be done in very creative ways

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, totally agree with that.

[smoky quest]

Like think about the weight at the top of taipei 101 to dampen movements in the building. It's amazing

[hearty island]

damn, i was about to network my friend into this company i interviewed for once upon a time and it turns out they don't exist anymore

datasleek

[deft herald]

Oh i'm sorry. How did your friend die?

[hearty island]

hahahahaha

[deft herald]

lel

[gritty rivet]

That one is the largest but it's far from the first or only. And very few of us get to work on world famous projects 😉 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper

[smoky quest]

you don't need to invent new physics to do something creative. I am pretty sure implementing that dampener with such size and location did come with issues never seen before.

While not everyone will win a nobel prize in their life, it doesn't mean one should not try to aim high and that folks won't achieve new highs with bright careers.
I would rather instill in this channel a sense of growth mindset and that we should strive to better ourselves. While not perfect, the fields related to software are quite meritocratic. Anyone here can obtain an awesome career if they put their mind to it. Obviously you make your own luck and to that end, you want to maximize your career path (CS degree for instance to increase the likelihood of a better job), but that's in every student hands here.

[gritty rivet]

Sure, I don't disagree there... But the quote from nosqldb is saying that if you're not doing PhD-level research you're not "a real mathematician" and in the specific sense described there, it is true

[hearty island]

damn. the hiring manager who was interviewing people for the business analyst 1 role at my company just straight up refused my meeting invite. i had scheduled it for this friday

really be taking Ls left and right nowadays

maybe i just landed on a bad apple? or a bad time?

[vital wyvern]

Sorry that happened to you, but the mental image of you just creating meeting invites with various hiring managers and seeing if any of them accept made me chuckle.

[hearty island]

my coworker encouraged me to do it 😭😭😭 she emphasized networking, maybe i’m doing it the wrong way???

[vital wyvern]

I would not accost random hiring managers without some sort of preamble.

I find it much more socially acceptable to just shoot off a few connection requests versus any sort of compelled interaction.

[hearty island]

i said i was interested in the role and i had a few questions if she had time

connection requests get ignored for me typically

[elder patio]

hey guys

I am working on a game engine in python. Anyone wanna contribute?

[trail socket]

should i learn python

[near ocean]

Yes

[hybrid sage]

same pfp as mine

and the better question is: what languages do i need to learn to make a X project

it doesnt really matter tbh

[near ocean]

The only question that really matters is what languages/tech are in demand near me

[trail socket]

yess bro

[smoky quest]

that's just navel gazing. There is so much more out there. there is no need to gatekeep it

[near ocean]

I didnt and my github suffered because of it when i first got hired

[fringe sphinx]

Full time both? That seems like too much. Two classes and full time is doable, i think. More than that? I couldn’t

[near ocean]

Are you doing uni to career switch? If your current job pays well, is that a problem?

[fringe sphinx]

You also have summers too, which is usually two accelerated semesters, so, you could stay on pace if you do year round

Huh? Why a bootcamp if doing degree?

[true harness]

what is the current degree and why can't you just switch to cs instead of dropping out

[fringe sphinx]

Seems like we’re missing information here. As psv asked; what’s your current major? How far along are you? What country? What is your current job (is it related to the field you want to go into)?

But what’s the degree?

[last oriole]

Which role is best for python fresher?

[peak halo]

depends on your credentials.

[uncut sail]

is python worth learning? I mean it probably is but what can I get from learning it? do the carrier option it may offer pay good?

[peak halo]

no one is going to pay you to "know python". they'll pay you to be able to do a certain kind of thing, and that thing might involve python to varying extents.

[fringe sphinx]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-top-programming-languages-2023

Hmm, I assume you haven’t taken calculus?

[vapid jay]

i have

[fringe sphinx]

Any intro to programming?

[vapid jay]

yeah im doing one right now

[true harness]

where did all the messages go 😔

[fringe sphinx]

You might be able to get into a masters program, like a data analytics program.

[vapid jay]

yeah i was thinking if i should just do a masters degre

instead of a whole new degree

[fringe sphinx]

Instead of going for another bachelors. Theres a lot of different masters programs, and a lot of career changers go that route.

[vapid jay]

its just very frustrating to not have income

which is why i want to quit

[fringe sphinx]

Masters programs are also viable part time… many full timers do part time masters

[vapid jay]

i meant that right now, i still have a year to go of not having any income

[true harness]

yeah, I know a few part time Masters students

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t know your situation but: finish the bachelors. If you stop, you might never get one

Even if it’s the wrong major.

[vapid jay]

i think so too, im scared if i switch i might never get a degree

cuz working will take too much of a toll to complete the degree

but right now my financial situation is horrible so im really tempted to quit

[fringe sphinx]

You have one year left. You could: take summer classes and spread the last year out part time

[vapid jay]

not an option in my uni

they have to have you attend full time uni 5 days attendance a week

[fringe sphinx]

That’s why I asked what country. Different countries have different norms

[vapid jay]

so i dont even have the option to go to work unless i transfer

my financial situation is absolute trash right now so im really tempted to go to work, but if i do go to work i might never finish my degree

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno then. I guess you have to grind it out first a year.

[vapid jay]

i do have the option to stick it out but its going to be painful

[fringe sphinx]

For sure, at least it’s one year and it’s the last year: i found courses got easier (less busy work) towards the end

[hearty island]

ooh yay, i figured out how to refer people at my company 🙂

[vapid jay]

i hope it will be

[fringe sphinx]

Going to refer yourself?

[hearty island]

time to build my network fr fr

[vapid jay]

cuz i think i might take more than 4 years to complete merely a bachelors degree otherwise

[hearty island]

nah, i'm going to refer close school friends first

it was so simple this entire time. if you type into workday's internal system "refer a candidate," it pulls up a window where it asks for their PI and their resume

[hearty island]

wait is it nepotism if i refer friends? what if they're qualified?

[near ocean]

No

[true harness]

you're only going to be able to refer people you know already, anyway

[near ocean]

That's just good networking

[hearty island]

ah, ok. yeah i do have a ton of friends i can refer then

[near ocean]

Besides, referring doesn't mean they'll be hired

[hearty island]

right, i was referred by my friend from JPMC in september. they never called me lol

[fringe sphinx]

Referrals in large companies mean a lot less.

[hearty island]

probably even less if it comes from an intern. doesn't hurt to try, right?

[cold delta]

i randomly got kicked out the server

[peak halo]

ask @severe widget about that

[trim merlin]

hii anyone help i am not able to post my query in the python doubts

[kindred oyster]

you are supposed to select one of the tags that suits your question

read the steps given in the #❓｜how-to-get-help section to understand how to open a help post

[hearty island]

anyone heard about biginterview? my college offers it

[hearty island]

.... ok?

[ashen hornet]

Soo

[buoyant seal]

same wish business people have since 1960 year.
every year they think it will be for sure automated this/next year 😅
...still not happening.
and highly likely not going to happen unless there will be miracle at the level of inventing Faster Than Light hyperdrive (and will be invented a real AI instead of a crude imitation)
What are the chances of inveting FTL drive? What are the chances of inventing real AI? super very small, despite whatever business people hype to say.

[ashen hornet]

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[warped matrix]

is python popular for make GUI applications at the work-market?

[buoyant seal]

quite the opposite. Unless we can name Web GUI as still GUI. then python can flare very well there.
with using stuff from https://www.djangoproject.com/ to https://wagtail.org/ and etc

There is like PyQT stuff for desktop, but it looks rather... horrible invention with difficult licensing.
U can still do it though. But easier just using another language for Desktop/Mobile GUI

[warped matrix]

what do you recommend to me? I want to focus at desktop/mobile apps

if it's possible, make a cross-platformer application

aah I forget, something that is used at the work-market

[buoyant seal]

😅 Sounds like u will benefit greatly from Java.
It can do both!
Although for mobile Android people transition to Kotlin (Java offspring pretty much), probably still fine to go with Java too though.
Jetbrains IDEs are all made with Jvm stuff as well.

IOS world suggests using Swift
And Windows desktop while can be done in Java, often asks for C#. It can be done in other languages though, it is just easiest to do in C#.
People can go with just electron stuff and doing GUI in Typescript, both for Desktop, Mobile and Web at the same time

if it's possible, make a cross-platformer application
with this requirement i would strongly think towards Java and/or Typescript then. Both languages are for cross platform development, for both desktop and mobile.

[warped matrix]

are there good examples of java?

applications already in production

[buoyant seal]

most of Jetbrains IDEs are originally made in Java. (probably they migrated some of them to Kotlin though, because they made this language)

Intellij IDEA for example

[warped matrix]

I'll look it up, thank you

[buoyant seal]

Also the best example is Minecraft 😅 cross platform launchable at any OS without any tweaking
Just copy paste to another OS and launch same Jar

[still oracle]

can anyone suggest some good Projects to work for Backend Development [i am a Fresher ]

[tawdry sable]

Review this CV please

[velvet saddle]

omg i needed this too

[gritty rivet]

I think your last section is mislabeled as Projects when it should be... Certifications maybe?

[deft pelican]

The last title is copy pasted incorrectly?

Also, the projects section, are those personal hobby projects?

[tawdry sable]

yes

[deft pelican]

I would make that a bit more clear

Also are they available on Github or such?
There might a bit too much detail I think.

[turbid bobcat]

Hi, remove indentation from the bullet points

Don't let bullet points go over 2 lines

Don't let words spillover to the next line in such a way that it leaves a lot of blank space

Your education section could benefit from better formatting, it's harder to read than usual, maybe use bullet points to keep it consistent to the rest of the document

Your awards should be listed under the education entry where they were obtained

Skills section is usually place at the top, 3 lines max

[tawdry sable]

yes 1 is the rest is on my uni github

[tawdry sable]

which identeation from bullet point?? tbh idk how cause its like latex

[tawdry sable]

my awards were not obtained by my education? altho it is good idea

[turbid bobcat]

The bullet points should be aligned with the header of the section, the bullet point itself already provides the necessary indentation

[turbid bobcat]

List them wherever they were obtained, I just assumed during the education cuz that's the most likely

[tawdry sable]

MIT careers handbook resume

[turbid bobcat]

I'm following guidelines produced by contributions from many hiring managers coming from various engineering industries.

[tawdry sable]

ok thats actually fair, can u tell me why hiring managers are soo annoying tho like they ignore people all the time on linkedin even with referrals and being redirected by their boss a hiring manager just ignored me, leaves me on read

message an engineer and they usually respond

[turbid bobcat]

idk, you can do everything right and still not get the job, it's just how it is unfortunately

[hybrid sage]

this guy even said "buy more to save more" when his 1000$ gpu got announced LMAO

[smoky quest]

Multiple reasons:

• Are you sure you reached out to the right manager?
• They may have to figure out something before reaching back
• Your message was closer to begging or self serving than something they would like to interact with
• Your profile is not a good match