career-advice

[viral fiber]

strange you say that tbh actually not many people know of it, I have 2 years where I studied to be a PI in the UK

so I am like licensed PI in a sense, but in UK they don't have licenses but basically I like all that OSINT stuff and know how to do it well + AI degree

[vapid jay]

im a cybersec kinda guy - kinda my field

[viral fiber]

whats your project? be interesting to hear more

[vapid jay]

its an all rounder tool - looking at leaked databases all the way to initialise ai seekers for targets

[viral fiber]

background is like mainly in admin / data processing / analysis, but my last job was heavy on automation but used BASIC lol

[viral fiber]

feel free to @ me whenever you release it will take a look

[vapid jay]

haha - its not going to become public - its for a strike team

[viral fiber]

also background is like, mainly a mix of AI, mathematics and computer science academically, my current main degrees are comp sci and AI

[vapid jay]

we're planning on helping clear-up discord a bit

[viral fiber]

cool! yeah gonna be totally honest would love to work in cyber security, its like the ideal field for me, BUT I know I can't pass security checks especially the higher end clearances lol

[vapid jay]

this is a threatmap - more map of a given target

[viral fiber]

cool

[vapid jay]

and relative connections - ofc its dynamic, and thats also just sample data

[vapid jay]

you could do somethhing like run a private team - and lease services

[whole flare]

👀

[vapid jay]

thats something which is becoming common - but make sure u stay legal

[smoky hull]

Guys is there a general chat where i can ask questions or just ask here?

not python related, like server related

[viral fiber]

ah yeah I was in a few cyber security communities here on discord but I get banned often I think its because I use my real name and face though lol

[vapid jay]

wdym exactly by server related, as in server like hosting and running or like discord server

[near ocean]

#community-meta or the offtopic channels

[viral fiber]

#python-discussion

[vapid jay]

haha - a lot of communities prefer to stay anom - or unfortunately are skidds

[viral fiber]

I used to do cyber security stuff as a kid in the nineties, was a whole different etiquette now everyone just seems angry lol

[vapid jay]

the latter don't like being found out - so just ban, the former well, anom says it all

[vapid jay]

lol, anom is the name of the game now a days

[viral fiber]

but why if they OSINT you anyway whats the point lol

[vapid jay]

more public u are abt something - more likely something will happen

[viral fiber]

it only takes a few characters in a name to create a link to a lead IMO so may as well not be anon and at least get it over with lol

[vapid jay]

there's very easy ways to avoid osint - and something called leaving fake trails

[viral fiber]

but everything is hackable and trackable at the end of the day

[whole flare]

this feels like its gone off topic

[vapid jay]

quite

[viral fiber]

nah we are discussing cyber security career

[whole flare]

right

[viral fiber]

this is why I usually get banned from communities, it starts a argument, someone calling me out, its not that deep lol you were not even talking before!!!! so its not like I was causing you issues was I?

and now they go silent, again dunno why people do that, then they give up continuing, if it was such a problem you would try to push for a solution surely

[vapid jay]

as for a response, relatively speaking most cybersec personnel hold two different faces - one fully anom to do what they need - other for public interactions. also osint doesn't hold full stories most of the time anyways. You'd need a decent amount of data to work with for osint to be truly effective.

[vapid jay]

nah - sorry for a late response, i was just getting some water from my old ass tap

[viral fiber]

honestly give up talking here, apprantly I need to stay precisely on topic because it effects someone who is not even talking lol

[whole flare]

I wasn't talking but I was following the conversation and it has gone off the topic of careers and more into OSINT so it's probably more welcome in somewhere like #cybersecurity

[vapid jay]

i mean you could dm me

[true harness]

you never know if someone might avoid talking because they think there's an ongoing conversation

[viral fiber]

yeah I am just gonna leave the server instead tbh lol

[vapid jay]

damm

[whole flare]

what?

[vapid jay]

breuh just when i was getting into a good conversation

[white relic]

I mean there are off topic channels for all kinds of discussion

[viral fiber]

fair

[vapid jay]

true

[viral fiber]

but this is what I meant also etiquette from the nineties to now, you can't have a conversation without someone getting hurt, and I don't even mean saying offensive stuff, like everything has to have a category and strict rules to it lol

pls don't ban me 🙏

[vapid jay]

lol i mean - you could join my server of randomness

[viral fiber]

perhaps another time I think I need to go offline and relax rn lol

[vapid jay]

fair - have a good day then

[viral fiber]

you to, sorry to everyone I hurt and offended

[true harness]

you were hurt by the conversation?

[viral fiber]

not physically, blood pressure and heart rate is optimal

[celest kite]

I was

[whole flare]

I mean if there weren't any categories and structure this discord would descend into chaos

[viral fiber]

agreed

[dapper bane]

Hey I dont know AI but I have interest in automation , backend (django), webscrapping and cybersecurit what is the best pick for me to start earning some money ?

[viral fiber]

this is good question

anyway I digress, apologies for my behaviour and demeanour earlier

[peak halo]

if you don't have any professional experience, you should probably get a CS degree

[dapper bane]

I have one from college I also do an internship in react native

[peak halo]

so you have a bachelors in CS (you have already graduated), and while you were pursuing it, you did an internship where you made software with React?

[dapper bane]

React Native

[peak halo]

okay, so if you have a CS degree, why are you asking how to "start earning some money"? that makes it sound like you're looking for income that isn't from a full-time job.

[dapper bane]

I am actually doing intership but i dont earn that very much so I started upskilling myself further with python stuff

[peak halo]

so you have not graduated?

[dapper bane]

I completed my graduation last year

[white relic]

internships are usually for current students

[lost cypress]

he's saying he graduated and has his cs degree, however he is doing an internship currently

unless i am misunderstanding him

[peak halo]

I sense there is both a language barrier and cultural barrier at play

Not that anyone should trust my senses

[dapper bane]

yeah I am doing an internship

[peak halo]

when you start looking for full-time/permanent jobs, you'll probably be most competitive for jobs that are similar to your internship experience

[dapper bane]

Heres the stuff I know React, React Native, Godot, Django(still learning) , Linux Ubuntu, socket.io, websockets, express, beautifulsoup, sql

pixel art , pixel art animations, pixel roma and asperite

[viral fiber]

its weird at the moment, because graduate schemes are even hard to get interviews for now

[white relic]

The market is difficult at the moment and especially for entry level folks.

[viral fiber]

tell me about it haha, in 2022 I had 402 interviews, but I learned everything I needed to know then in 2023 bam, it took me entirety of 2022 to learn DSA / competitive programming to pass the interviews, then it just all shifted

I think in tech you have to be so many things and be quick, be willing to take advice and really listen and not let emotions get better of you, in UK every day I am angry how bad this place is getting lol

[true harness]

you had multiple interviews a day, at least 35 times?

[viral fiber]

thats only 1 interview a day, considering my job searching spans 16 hours per day, majority was done by AI and easy graduate positions (where you literally just need a degree to start an AI video recorded interview)

BUT it did span over a bit back into 2021 and into 2023, so I think it was about 1 to 3 in person interviews a month, realistically

[true harness]

402 interviews is more than 1 a day

[lost cypress]

random question but as a cs student right now is it probably rare to have an in person interview for an internship>

[viral fiber]

I don't know what else to say, I explained the math, feel free to interpret how you wish

[true harness]

not particularly

[strange nova]

@viral fiber how is your resume? Can we see it

How long per day did it take you to learn competitive programming in 2022?

[peak halo]

Why are you asking that?

[dapper bane]

can u explain more ?

[strange nova]

Why not, I'm interested.

Hm the people in here can definitely help with your CV, if you could post it as an image in this chat would make it easier for others to see

I did check your website though

[plucky anchor]

Hi Team: I am kind of new to Python, I mean i have been seeing Python in my projects but never been asked or never tried coding... what would be the perfect way for me to start coding and how do i keep up?

[true harness]

you can anonymize it

[neon obsidian]

a

[viral fiber]

https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
https://cs50.harvard.edu/python/2022/
https://futurecoder.io/
https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/python/ (more experienced actually)
https://roadmap.sh/python
https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/
https://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/webprogramming/Python1_Basics.html#zz-1.

one of these course will suit you, I like futurecoder personally

[hasty copper]

anyone up?

[white relic]

It's daytime in much of the world, many people are

[viral fiber]

I am feeling down tbh

[vapid jay]

damm - get back up soon

[viral fiber]

its living in the UK lol

[random fulcrum]

Hi there, how difficult would it be to get an american 5-6 month internship as european university student? I have roughly 1.5-2 years of python experience (and along with other skills but thats not relevant at the moment though i can definitely make a list if it helps you guys) and I have completed a Robotics minor at my university. Along with that, im currently 20 years old and looking for an on-location internship

Is something like this feasible?

[viral fiber]

look for embedded programming jobs also / internships, yeah definitly feasable

robotics is weird, people underestimate what a robot is as sure you know, but look at CNC programming, embedded programming lot of off spans from robotics rather than specifically titled robotics jobs IMO

actual full on robotics companies the robots are expensive so its better looking more at established production lines IMO

I am trying to set up my own robotics company at the moment, its a 9 months projection to even afford the first thing I need 😂

[random fulcrum]

It depends on the depth of robotics. I have great experience in working with ros and decent knowledge in embedded systems (i have primarily learned about methods of connecting my arduino’s to a raspy and coded a variety of logic in arduino as well)

I definitely need to step up my c/cpp if i were to go deeper in embedded systems though

[random fulcrum]

Keep in mind that simplicity is key when it comes to robotics. Especially when tackling mechanical issues

[viral fiber]

yeah C and C++ still has its place in robotics and AI, these languages were focused on more on my AI degree

[viral fiber]

yeah exactly thats same principle when looking for jobs, don't look at the mega robotics corporations they most likely will never have interns, they probably struggling to stay afloat, like I am surprised tesla bot has got this far tbh

[random fulcrum]

I dont know how hard it would be to implement bridges between python and C software with the python C api

[viral fiber]

I think theres cython?

[random fulcrum]

Can cython ‘reverse’ transpile to Python?

[viral fiber]

micro python also works on arduino have used that before although I don't think it worked well

honestly no idea tbh I don't usually switch a lot between the two its usually one or the other for a project

[random fulcrum]

Also, cython wouldnt be an option as python simply doesnt have the toolkit to run certain C parts

[summer roost]

no

[random fulcrum]

Im more talking about having a blueprint in python that executes C code

[viral fiber]

honestly I would just stick to a language and build your portfolio if your still studying worry about these semantics later

[summer roost]

I'm not sure what you mean by this, though - wouldn't be an option for what?

[random fulcrum]

Well, I am free for half a year now and i really want to make some money + build my portfolio with an incredible internship

[viral fiber]

I think they want it for embedded programming but you can do embedded programmign with python alone

[summer roost]

yeah, micropython runs on microcontrollers (though CPython doesn't)

[random fulcrum]

yea but, its not the standard

[summer roost]

it is on microcontrollers, heh

[random fulcrum]

Tho i need to learn C properly :d

[viral fiber]

yeah I have used micropython in the past, had to use it to solve a networking issue on MQTT protocol because C was hard lol

[random fulcrum]

aghhh mqtt sucks on microcontrollersssss

[summer roost]

I've written a captive portal DNS server in micropython for a project a few years back

[viral fiber]

what way would you like to learn it pure embedded approach?

[random fulcrum]

So, id have a decent C background + advanced python background with robotics and mechatronics experience. I would primarily learn the pure embedded approach through an internship with this skillset

The thing i need to improve right now is my C.

But idk if i need that in the first place to even get an internship. I would prefer a robotics related internship. But any software engineering internship would also do

robotics however is really something i want to pursue. Its been a great experience

How big is the internship competition 😆

[whole flare]

probably very comeptitive

[viral fiber]

https://nostarch.com/bare-metal-c this is best book for what your after its like learning Arduino but with a C like language

[vapid jay]

same here actually

[vapid jay]

its very competitive

[random fulcrum]

I hope my blockchain and robotics experience helps me out a little then :d

[viral fiber]

which city though I find where you live makes a big difference

[random fulcrum]

I have no clue on this. I dont really mind the state, as long as its not a deserted place

I imagine its going to be quite a culture shock for me as a naive dutch person haha

[vapid jay]

london

[random fulcrum]

Im looking for an American internship, though I imagine its not much better there

[vapid jay]

just london - where it rains and scorches in the same day

[vapid jay]

i mean there's more americans than brits - so based on that i would say there's prob a decent amount of comp

[random fulcrum]

its more about the density i think. Im sure this varies per state though

[vapid jay]

it will

[vapid jay]

Alaska won't have the same density as Washington

[random fulcrum]

i definitely agree on that haha

still a high median income though: 78k

90k for washington for households

[viral fiber]

ah I wish I lived in London

so expensive though I got invited to an hackathon at anthropic AI next week, and I can't afford to go lol

[random fulcrum]

Does the UK pay that poorly?

[viral fiber]

like nearest hotel / hostels work out about £1k for 3 nights lol

[vapid jay]

uk sucks

[viral fiber]

yes, they pay abysmally, for example a neurosurgeon here will be lucky to make 30k a year

[random fulcrum]

i thought the paycheck was bad in the netherlands, but i keep getting surprised by how bad the uk is

[vapid jay]

ngl were going way off topic - like way off - even though everything were saying is accurate

[viral fiber]

honestly I dunno whats off topic or not here anymore lol

[vapid jay]

lol thats fair

one sec talking to some guys back in my server - anything else you wanna q me on?

[pulsar sentinel]

hey what's the best place to enter in tech today I'm thinking of data science i want to hear you guys thoughts ?

or reccomendation ?

[pine sleet]

What do you mean by "best"? Ease of entry? Compensation? W/L balance? something else?

[smoky quest]

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[viral fiber]

https://henrikwarne.com/2024/02/11/finding-a-new-software-developer-job/ I found this yesterday I thought it would be useful here

[pulsar sentinel]

yes

[fringe sphinx]

As an entry level candidate, you really don’t get that much say. You should prepare a broad foundation, and strive to be competent. Being competent with ‘data’ is definitely a good idea, but true DS is more than that.

[pulsar sentinel]

i have a degree already in computer science

[smoky quest]

so then it's about making sure you have awesome projects, great internships and a superb resume

[twilit depot]

aye

[pulsar sentinel]

wydm by ds is more than that ?

[twilit depot]

wsp

[pulsar sentinel]

but back to this whats the best place to venture into because i want to specialize since i have a cs degree

[fleet reef]

You have a typo on your website's form

- delt
+ dealt

[twilit depot]

it leads to a right site

[fringe sphinx]

Entry level? Generalize, don’t specialize

Also, because: if you have to ask post-degree, then you should certainly generalize.

[gritty rivet]

What do you want to specialize in? You're asking us to decide for you when we know nothing about the options you are considering, the things you value, your interests or talents, the conditions in your local job market, and so on.

[narrow oyster]

Guy, I'm gonna be serious: With the insane exponential growth on AI, what's gonna be left in the next few years?

I'm insanely worried with entry level jobs right now

I haven't even finish college yet

[strong lava]

itll make standing out as a candidate even more important

[pulsar drum]

I think this topic has been brought up many times in this channel. Suggest you take a look through the message history here.

[late flame]

Reports of the power of AI are mostly spread by people selling AI.

Code generation tools have existed for decades. You'll be fine, just have the fundamental skills expected of a software engineer and try to do good work.

[narrow oyster]

Yes, I know, current AI technologies are quite bad at generating code: I have lots of experience with ChatGPT on that. In fact, it didn't help me at all with my chess game project (Only in one part where I didn't know how to make the surface transparent with the alpha value, yet the rest I did it by reading the documentation in the pygame website and by my own)

I use AI more like a tool for help rather than prefering it to make write all the code for me. For example, as a little guidance on parts I already knew but the knowledge is quite rusty. Or to teach or give perspective or ideas to approach a problem. If it's code alone, I'm better at it even though I'm worse than a junior dev because of the few amount of projects I have in my portfolio and how I still need to learn more technologies (I still don't know SQL or React and need to get used to with important libraries of Python)

[gritty rivet]

While lots of people in your situation are terrified, almost nobody who actually writes code for a living is the slightest bit concerned that AI is going to replace us 😉

There are daily conversations in this channel about why not

[narrow oyster]

I'd like to see examples of those conversations and the arguments you guys make. Because, Let's be honest, exponential growth is terryifing. Just look what they OpenAI released. I was shocked

I don't even know if within 3 years there will be AGI already or if companies accept any form of junior dev anymore. I starting to lean more to hard left and considered the creation of strong labor union if possible

[buoyant seal]

Run search in this thread. All the time this question

[random fulcrum]

i really liked this article, thanks for sharing

and he landed at a crypto company, even better :D

and they have a great website, you should check it out

[random fulcrum]

dont worry bro lmao

if youre a good developer you utilize ai as a tool, not as a replacement

[blazing harbor]

good developers are always better than AI ask @fringe sphinx

[near ocean]

Do you have a careers related question?

[wanton berry]

does anyone has knowledge about Microsoft Learn Student Ambassadors*MLSA), please DM me. I need some guidance

[alpine hazel]

I'm new to python and i would like some help. I've started learning it for fun but since I liked it a lot thinking into creating a career out of it. What are some career paths for python programming? And which ones are most interesting?

[vapid jay]

what are u current interests in life? hobbies perhaps would be a better word. Based on that - see how you can use the lang to help you out. If your into making ur life easier and faster - maybe automations?

[alpine hazel]

I did study mechanics and electronics so I can get into robotics. Plus I do have some idea and enjoy games if that helps. I'm new to this thing so I appreciate all the help I can get

[vague coral]

why is my cmd python install going like 40kb/ps

my internet has 40mbps

[knotty oar]

Does anyone have coursera subscription?

[weary crag]

currently I have one, why

[icy flint]

hi guys!! i have a technical interview in a few days and i am really nervous cause i've never done anything like this before. i would love to do some pair programming with someone as a practice! if anyone is interested, feel free to dm me.

[fringe sphinx]

Can’t help you with pair programming but: remember that you won’t know every answer. Be comfortable handling a question you can’t answer, whether by asking for a hint or explaining how you’d research it or by breaking the question into smaller questions (decomposing it). Know what you know and accept that you can’t know everything.

[icy flint]

thank you for the advice! you're definitely right. hopefully they will also be understanding.

[fringe sphinx]

Good luck! Also, review your resume and be ready for a question about anything on it, especially any projects or experience.

You won’t believe how many people can’t answer questions about their projects: ‘oh I didn’t that as a school project, I don’t really remember what I did’

[icy flint]

thank you!! i appreciate it 🙂

[near ocean]

Ask in #python-discussion please

[pulsar hollow]

Ok

[pulsar hollow]

You cant put Photos in there

[near ocean]

Open a help channel #❓｜how-to-get-help

[pulsar hollow]

👍

[vast glade]

Hello I a new to programming... Plz suggest me a a roadmap

[fringe sphinx]

You don’t need a roadmap, just a starting point: step 1 is learn a language and get good at it by doing small projects.

[fringe sphinx]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[pulsar sentinel]

im thinking data analytics and later transitioning into data science i value really being the best in whatever i do and my interest am more of a recreational person

[fringe sphinx]

After you ‘get good’, then ask: what’s next. And the answer will be: focus on what you’re interested in.

[hearty island]

@fringe sphinx , last time i didn't have a work sample/ sample dashboard for Ericsson to look at when they asked me (by surprise). do you think i should have something for pfizer just in case?

[vast glade]

I have learned C and now learning C++...

[fringe sphinx]

No idea, but having a work example seems unrealistic for an entry level candidate (even with internships): your work product belongs to the company, not you

[fallen silo]

Is there a Software Eng here i can privately DM for advice ?

[hearty island]

right, and i said that to the Ericsson hiring manager. he didn't look very impressed, quite pissed off really.

[vapid creek]

ummm where do i ask for help related to programming language software

[fringe sphinx]

For Python questions, #python-discussion

If not Python related, see the off topic channels

[pulsar sentinel]

any data scientist / data analyst in the house looking to guide a newbie or mentor a newbie ?

[vapid creek]

its about a problem with the python software im using, idle

[merry fulcrum]

Hi guys,

I really thankful that after suggestions for my resume i start to get interviews. I altered my resume to suit for 6 different roles and currently got two interviews one is Data scientist and data engineering instructor, and one is NLP developer.

I still didn't get web scraping engineer inteviews is my experience too shallow for them?

I quickly did two take home assgiment one is for NLP developer one is data engineering instructor. But i think i shit all of them.

In data scientist and data engineering instructor role they asked me to prepare a 10 minutes video for processing a dataset. The startup data analyst like my portfolio but i quickly understand i even don't know a standardlized process to read a dataset and clean them. I only did project specific => do the job.

In NLP devleoper they asked me to code filtering the data and doing the prediction of incoming text, i realize i even don't know how to design a linear regression model in code despite i know all the concerpts.

So right now time wise i need to choose start to learn data scientist hard, I already spent a good amount time from ML to DL, from K to VSM to CNN to RNN to TTS, i skipped the machine learning projects becase by nature it is outdated compared with deep learning. But i do realize for lower tier company you do need those skills for task bounded tasks. And i don't know where are the quality courses to learn data analyzing. All i can get from IBM and online are basic identify nulls, replacing nulls, and that's all.

for data engineering i need to learn ETL pipeline and start with airflow

so how can i choose?

[balmy spade]

One of the primary expectations of a junior role, regardless of the specific field, is learning. You've shown you have the skills to start and the spark to learn. From there it is all about learning the specific hard skills needed for the company/job/task/etc. Learning the code base, how the research, development, and deployment cycle works, and continuing to build the skills shown in the interview.

In a good environment you'll have the chance to stretch your wings while having a team to support you when you need. It's not all hand-holding, as you will be expected to dig deep into a problem yourself. (that's one of the reasons you get hired) But thoughtful and detailed questions are most certainly expected (and mistakes too).

[tired spear]

Yea he's right imo

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with ^. In my opinion: start with getting good with data engineering, because it’s what makes you useful: being able to solve problems. In parallel, start studying DS topics: but this is a long path. True ‘DS’ is a graduate level discipline requiring a lot more than just learning how to use tools.

[merry fulcrum]

I think the data scientist role is more baseline, data engineering kind start to feel boring for me after start to learning the airflow.
I think the same thing, data engineering is more promissing as doing the function, but it is a long road, you need to go from airflow to database to SQL, and it may take months and i still not be a very qualified data engineer as i can't know all technical stuffs on hand. It's just kind like, frontend web development..

Data scintist i maybe can get a junior role if i start to design models and train them, i already spent a good amount of time for linear algebra, all machine learning concerpts: linear, K-nearst, VSM to deep learning CNN, RNN and TTS model, embedding layers and CNN layers and how to on top of them, But i realize i haven't single code a simple linear reggression model as i was so suck (not confidence about not know what is more advanced topics, and what is the water level there). I even questioned myself data processing skills as i only do task bounded processing to do the job, after getting to processing a dataset with a 10 minutes video presentation i even don't know how to process a dataset on scale for data analyzing

[merry fulcrum]

a big snake isn't?

[merry fulcrum]

Also i found out that all my given take assignment only one is very pleasant is for a detection engineer role for reverse engieneering a javascript and find the trusure.
All other stuffs are very unplesant and not suit for my expertise just like NLP developer, it clearly starts low requirement: human filtering the "gold" contrained income text and then do a trainning to predict the possbility, i think?
Why i applied so many data engineering roles not getting even a assignment, as i know someone did is creating an API something like that, is it because i have no airflow and kafika in my resume or just too much people applying for date engienering?

I get a conclusion that lower tier job i didn't get any interview, sounds wrong, too much people

[snow patrol]

C, C++ and Python are great languages in my opinion!

[wild cipher]

hi''

how do i learn python from beginning

[plain bone]

What is better for learning Codecademy or Hyperskill?

[fallen silo]

If you work remote for a Los Angeles company can you go to an asian country and live there for 3 months

[tawdry sable]

projects

BTW anyone willing to refer me looking for an internship role

[hearty island]

you would b better off applying or asking on linkedin

[plain bone]

fair enough

[tawdry sable]

300 messages

[hearty island]

sounds about right

[tawdry sable]

3 referrals all 3 were from the same company AND got rejected for them midnight?

maxxed out my connects and message with premium

[hearty island]

also sounds about right. have you shown your resume here?

[tawdry sable]

loads just said apply on the website like mf i didnt know that

let me show it here rn

[hearty island]

ok

[tawdry sable]

@hearty island

Rate my resume

[hearty island]

well, it's two pages for starters

[tawdry sable]

ik bro i tried so hard

[whole flare]

mine is two pages

[vapid jay]

hi

[whole flare]

it makes me sigma /j

[hearty island]

what country are you applying in @tawdry sable?

[tawdry sable]

everyone says make it one page, UK

[hearty island]

mine is one page

[whole flare]

yeah for entry-level candidates

[vapid jay]

i have a question anyone look me ?

[tawdry sable]

Yea im not even that im an intern

[whole flare]

Could you capitalize the s in Computer science?

[whole flare]

still very early in your career so probably best to keep it one page

[tawdry sable]

Thank you, lmao imagine thats why i got 400 rejections

[whole flare]

I doubt it lol

[tawdry sable]

what do i cut suggest some stuff

[whole flare]

Also there is an extra space in Programming in your technical skills section

also remove the & Awards since you state the awards in the subsequent section

[vapid jay]

Hi , i want start software so i choose python for start anyone help me how i learn python ?

[whole flare]

That question is probably best suited for #python-discussion

[peak halo]

you shouldn't go over one page. for whatever position you're applying to, you should give the most pertinent information that fits on one page.

if you want an easy way to keep track of different pieces of information that might only appear in certain versions of your resume, you can write it in latex and version it with git.

[merry fulcrum]

Experience first than skill and project

[tawdry sable]

i dont see this ,OH ill do that, b

[peak halo]

also, I find the indentation kind of offputting.
and where's the line under WORK EXPERIENCE?

[tawdry sable]

I just fixed it

[blazing harbor]

Sounds like someone needs to use latex…

[whole flare]

maybe it's just me then lol

[tawdry sable]

Lmao i applied to nvidia with an duplicated CV page in page 3 lmao got rejected so quick

Is that why i actually got rejected? ima reapply with a new account ngl

[hearty island]

i like using jake's resume. it's gotten me 20 something interviews over 23/24

[tawdry sable]

Thats what i used

[whole flare]

I see MintPages referenced twice in the projects is there a reason for this?

also in your courses section you start the first entry's description with a lowercase g

[tawdry sable]

This is a new updated resume i just made like this week, no wonder i got so many rejections

[peak halo]

I'm not a hiring manager, but I can't imagine passing a candidate who I believe has relevant skills only because of non-content properties of their resume.

[tawdry sable]

wdym it was duplicate of my CV like honest mistakes happen, ngl that hiring manger ghosted me for weeks didnt answer a single question on email or linkedin

[whole flare]

Maybe you should condense the Courses section into a few bullets i.e. the name of the course, the issuer and the date

[hearty island]

i don't even include courses on my resume, my internships take too much space.

[tawdry sable]

True but then it would lose some of the things i learned? and maybe the bots read it positivley

[whole flare]

alpha

[tawdry sable]

is it fine to put awards earnings or no?

[whole flare]

to be honest, I just skipped internships, went straight into the deep end 🗿

I think that is fine as long as its not excessive

[peak halo]

right. my guess is that if you submitted a CV with a duplicate page, and you got rejected, the duplicate CV page isn't the reason you got rejected.

[tawdry sable]

doesnt make sense my rejection had a Referral from a senior engineer, CHATGPT said i got a 9/10 match on my CV my stuff was crazy good idk why Sorry CHATGPT4/MIXTRAL 8X7B

[blazing harbor]

eh you never know honestly if someone even sent me a 2 page resume and they don't like that impressive, it would be auto reject

[tawdry sable]

and jane street first year spring insight rejected me? Like howwwww

[whole flare]

ChatGPT 🗿

[hearty island]

jane street is insanely competitive, no?

[blazing harbor]

all good apply for jst next year... it doesn't really matter if you get into program as long as you keep prepping for the interviews

[peak halo]

I got rejected from a position where I had a referral from a senior engineer as well. and LLMs can't see into the minds of hiring managers.

[pastel thunder]

In my job ,
I have worked on data asset management system with java, mongodb and open source framework: Nuxeo .
I have also worked on event streaming plattform using kafka, mongodb, java

how to write this in resume so that it looks better. Preferably in one line

[tawdry sable]

yea but like atleast an interview right?

[blazing harbor]

also it's jane street prob the most competitive company out there

[hearty island]

i have rejections in the 1000s 🙂

[peak halo]

I didn't get an interview, either.

[tawdry sable]

thats my dream role data asset management system

[whole flare]

I've applied to a total of 4 roles and been rejected 75% of the time

[blazing harbor]

@tawdry sable do you go to mit/cmu/stanford/harvard or have awards in usamo/imo/putnam etc?

[tawdry sable]

No no no I wish i go to newcastle uni, rejected from cambridge

[blazing harbor]

yeah that's prob another reason it's mega competitive but apply for internship and they prob will still give you an OA. It's very difficult, but if you practice enough, you will be fine

[tawdry sable]

I did OA's and some 100% where u interning

[blazing harbor]

if you really want to "make" up for uni prestige, I would get some hooks in like icpc or putnam or something very prestige

[tawdry sable]

whats putnam

[blazing harbor]

eh I setlled for an IB but they pay p decently like ~$45/hr so it's all good. Maybe next year I will go for like Meta or sm

[tawdry sable]

DUDE lucky MF, best internship in the uk is like 25, u know how lucky u are in an IB. i tried so hard goldman didnt message me after i got 100% on OA

[blazing harbor]

math competition

[hearty island]

lol i make $23

[blazing harbor]

yeah lol the UK kinda sucks

[tawdry sable]

Which IB?

[blazing harbor]

but I would say umich def helped me along the way and it was def the connections that helped

[tawdry sable]

umich is crazy u must be partying like the movies right

[blazing harbor]

I really didn't do it on my own ofc

[blazing harbor]

sometimes, but @fringe sphinx convinced me to take a 2 week break

[tawdry sable]

can u say which Ib it is? if its a big one

[blazing harbor]

it's a big one think like jefferies, jpmgc, etc

I'm interviewing with infosys tho 🤔 it's more tech related (final round tmr)

if they offer more money, I might just jump on that cuz they got a bigger name in tech

[tawdry sable]

How do i use connections to get it? they keep saying apply on the page and best is a referral

like some of them can get me a job like i know this prinicapl engineer at MS but idk how to convience them to

[blazing harbor]

go to your uni career pages and you use ur uni's connections. I remember at one time they renamed my resume to like "[my name] - Umich.pdf"

[tawdry sable]

my uni has no connections bruh i wish

[hearty island]

haha neither does mine 🙂. gotta hustle.

[tawdry sable]

plus there is like 10 newcastle alumni at each company

hustle isnt working its legit feb

[blazing harbor]

but like doesn't matter for quant, as long as you can pass the OA

[tawdry sable]

I got 100% on every quant

[blazing harbor]

if you don't get a quant internship in uni, it could be very difficult to get into quant 🤔

[tawdry sable]

Ik ik i want it badly but looks like only next year, very sad i want an internship this year soooooooooo badly

my friend got one instantly aswell no cv no nothing had a connection with a head

[whole flare]

🤨

[blazing harbor]

just focus on yourself

[tawdry sable]

what do u mean

[rough depot]

Hiya, people! Does anyone here have experience in machine learning and data science? I'd like to figure out the benefits of these two fields and why it's interesting for others.

[blazing harbor]

practice math get more projects on your resume

[tawdry sable]

Yea thats all i got rn i guess

[blazing harbor]

touch some grass

[tawdry sable]

u can say that in u mich

[blazing harbor]

no grass in new castle?

[tawdry sable]

do u apply for every internship in the US? cause i applied to every single tech internship in the UK

[fringe sphinx]

I said a month.

[blazing harbor]

but like 2 weeks is alr over when you think about it

[pastel thunder]

Help guys
In my job ,
I have worked on data asset management system with java, mongodb and open source framework: Nuxeo .
I have also worked on event streaming plattform using kafka, mongodb, java

how to write this in resume so that it looks better. Preferably in one line

[tawdry sable]

OK TIME TO GRINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[rough depot]

AI could help you out to finetune your resume.

[blazing harbor]

xbox you got this man just remember billybobby is always there

[rough depot]

Make sure to get yourself a feedback loop for the best results.

No, Data scientists or ML Engineers here?

[blazing harbor]

lowkey @tawdry sable my sis might jump ship into a startup that was founded by her coworkers at FAANG, and I might able to join

and I would do anything to work with my sisters 🙏 so we will see for that

[rough depot]

What's the start-up orientated towards? And I hope you do get to work with your relatives.

[blazing harbor]

it's ML oriented

[tawdry sable]

no way thats is crazy good, must be an ai startup

[tawdry sable]

oh lmao knew it

[blazing harbor]

yeah lol my sis makes me very proud

[tawdry sable]

Wait wtf u sister works at faang could she not get u a tech job????????

[blazing harbor]

she prob could, but I don't wanna ask that much of her

[tawdry sable]

why not perfect before she jumps ship so no harm done + if there is she would just say no

[blazing harbor]

eh idk no point applying rn

also one of my really good friends works at Meta, and I also wanna join him too 🤔 next summer

[tawdry sable]

bruh ur good, ur sister works at faang and friends work at meta like bro u made it

[blazing harbor]

he shares my party antics

[blazing harbor]

nahh lmao they made it. I still have a long way to go

[tawdry sable]

is it like the movies or no

[blazing harbor]

yeah kinda lol

[tawdry sable]

No wayyyy thats crazy like the avg college party in US is real

[blazing harbor]

but more throwing up and more bad decisions ig lmao

[tawdry sable]

i hate how there is a message cooldown here sucks

[blazing harbor]

and these bad decisions could lead you to not ever getting a job 🤔

so be very careful

[tawdry sable]

nah bro gotta find an internship ill go to my careers office try get them sorted, my uni is great with game companies tho we get like rockstar epic games etc coming in giving talks

but software engineering is like bad

[blazing harbor]

why?

[blazing harbor]

def utilize ur uni connects and also if clubs in the UK are similiar to the US, you can have a lot of fun too

[tawdry sable]

idk i guess they focus more on games or something, no one got a Faang internship for like 3 years

[blazing harbor]

FAANG not that bad compared to top quant

expect like 8-10 interviews for a good quant role where they really make sure ur a good hire

[tawdry sable]

top quant is good but WLB sucksssssss + not cool offices like google

Bloomberg was so much like 5 for a internship which is too much I gotta grind more leetcode def but i got so much work and dont really like leetcode i dread it. U leetcode?

[blazing harbor]

honestly, I've been to the google office in one of those take your kids to work day, and I just found my dad renting out a room and just chilling there. The food is nice tho tbf

[tawdry sable]

this sounds bad i only wanna go to google for food, like rn im bulking hard so ill make my money back quick

[blazing harbor]

if there is free food, it doesn't really matter how the office is; I'd rather them pay me more

[blazing harbor]

ofc I leetcode

[tawdry sable]

how much and do u not hate it? i try to use neetcode but its soooo annoying so much

[blazing harbor]

not a lot but I'm pretty good cuz comp math experience transfers well

[tawdry sable]

So what math stuff do i need to do to get into quant

[blazing harbor]

depends qr qt or swe?

[tawdry sable]

data engineer preferably,

[blazing harbor]

then prob a lot

[tawdry sable]

Where do i learn and what do i learn

[blazing harbor]

thing about quant is it's not easily gamed if you know what I mean

you can def study for quant, but you need tons of experience with math + CS that's assumed lol

[tawdry sable]

yea i was thinking more point72 i really liked their environment no food tho

[tawdry sable]

yea that is an issue i guess i mean like if i got a top Google/nvidia job ill be fine, + nvidia stock is soooooooooooooo good

[blazing harbor]

you don't explicitly need algebra but as @fringe sphinx prob knows, rings and groups are very useful to understand simple stuff like

[tawdry sable]

i have all my savings in nvda stock rn

[blazing harbor]

uh if you have a polynomial that is reducible with Q coefs, it is also reducible with Z coefs

[tawdry sable]

LMAO avg IB intern

[blazing harbor]

tho I will say one thing 🙏 I owe umich a lot

[tawdry sable]

TF u pay like 50k tuittion fees or smth

[blazing harbor]

they really grilled my ass in math and made me a better mathematician and for CS def too

[blazing harbor]

nah I'm here on a bit of scolly billybobby eould never approve of me paying so much

[tawdry sable]

whos bobby

i though he is ur friend but he goes same school as u, but then he goes to that school

[blazing harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEnZz6-7Dmg&list=PL22w63XsKjqwn2V9CiP7cuSGv9plj71vv&index=5

[tawdry sable]

did u think about consulting btw i heard its cool u travel the world

[blazing harbor]

@tawdry sable I'd go through this whole playlist to start you off; it's p basic stuff

[tawdry sable]

ok after that what i do

[blazing harbor]

then this: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22w63XsKjqwN7sHsEiy0yqkcjQfXAuVb

[tawdry sable]

how do i show it on my resume tho

[blazing harbor]

it's for interview and for yourself lmao

[tawdry sable]

maybe idk like rn if i master leetcode ill do maths

[blazing harbor]

mastering maths is like a lot harder than LC

then @tawdry sable you can use the goat yufei zhao from MIT to teach you this: https://yufeizhao.com/olympiad/

[tawdry sable]

yes but i suck at LC, good at OA but technical interviews suck

[tawdry sable]

ill do that cause if i get pnaum ill 100% get intern at quant

[blazing harbor]

and remember, if this is not fun for you, you will not make it here

[tawdry sable]

its hard ngl like projects are fun leetcode + interview prep not much

[blazing harbor]

Leetcode is pretty cool sometimes

[tawdry sable]

Yes sometimes but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, do u do blind 75? neetcode 150?

[blazing harbor]

Nah I just do problems lol

If you get stuck, look at the tags and learn about the concepts in the tags

[tawdry sable]

also i heard learning some AWS/GOOGLE CLOUD /CI/CD is good for swe internships

[blazing harbor]

Yeah it’s useful but prob not necessary for most entry

[tawdry sable]

send ur resume btw and what resume u use? jakes?

[celest kite]

I'm pretty sure PhD's in math don't even call themselves mathematicians

[blazing harbor]

We all are mathematicians

[celest kite]

... If you say so

[balmy spade]

Being familiar with the tools used in deployment can't hurt. The use of cloud infrastructure varies from project to project. As does the use of ci/cd pipelines. Knowing the pieces a little and the patterns they fit into helps when it comes to working on a new project.

[tawdry sable]

btw any advice on reducing my resume to 1 page

[balmy spade]

Keep it short. Rule of three. Three past experiences, three bullet points each. Speak to the job you are applying to. A resume is not your portfolio. It is your one-page "buy me" advertisement.

[tawdry sable]

i only have 1 experience and i follow three bullet points, just my certs take alot

[merry fulcrum]

https://mml-book.github.io/book/mml-book.pdf what s is this book

i feel discouraged, i don't want to read this

[pine sleet]

Who Is the Target Audience?
This book is written in an academic mathematical style, which
enables us to be precise about the concepts behind machine learning. We
encourage readers unfamiliar with this seemingly terse style to persevere
and to keep the goals of each topic in mind.

It's more of an academic book so people not familiar with that style of literature will probably have some trouble

Though I'm sure there are other ML-related books that focus on just the overall concepts rather than the mathematics behind it. Couldn't give you recommendations, though, as I don't do ML

[merry fulcrum]

is there any more picturelized with no notation book can i read as a sleeping book with good reputation?

[fringe sphinx]

On what topic?

[merry fulcrum]

fundation of designing a deep learning model? math behind it? without math?

[fringe sphinx]

If you want an easy intro to ML, try CS50 for AI

[merry fulcrum]

i already past that level

i'm not sure, but it seems too easy

[smoky quest]

You can't avoid the math past a certain level

[blazing harbor]

Yessir and math is so good anyway

[vapid jay]

does anyone have a python roadmap to follow for very beginners?

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to follow a resource like a book. Ex: automate the boring stuff

[merry fulcrum]

web design, data science, deep learning, web scraping, choose one

[merry fulcrum]

how much math i needed to design a deep learning model knowing what's behind, from high school?

[vapid jay]

is that the name of the book or youre describing it?

[smoky quest]

automate the boring stuff

[vapid jay]

i want it for machine learning and ai if that what you meant

[smoky quest]

it's free and available online

[merry fulcrum]

great, i'm learn it too, https://mml-book.github.io/book/mml-book.pdf

[vapid jay]

mathematics? is is needed in codingg??

[vapid jay]

ill read thank you.. but is it smth like a tutorial or introduction

[pine sleet]

It is in some fields. ML/AI is generally math-heavy which is why it's even more important to have a Master's in it or a related major

[smoky quest]

It's a full book to teach you python

[vapid jay]

why coding is so complicated 😭

but thank you guys!! :3

[smoky quest]

Start small. It's fun but there are a lot of moving pieces, especially if you try to go into the latest and greatest tech such as deep learning.
If you are just starting, then focus on python and the basics

And in terms of career, a CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.
So make sure you have good grades to get into a good college and have fun learning and building things

[balmy mural]

Introduction to Statistical Learning is a great book that doesn't dive to deep into the math (and can always look at Elements of Statistical Learning if you're interested into diving more into the math)

[merry fulcrum]

i remebmer my education stopped here, where should i start

[smoky quest]

It's a question for #data-science-and-ml , not #career-advice

[narrow oyster]

Guys is Data Science/ML stilll worth it despite AI, there are people who say they already are obsolete

[fringe sphinx]

This question gets asked about once a day. The short answer is: No. Data science is worth it because of advances in AI.

"there are people who say they already are obsolete". "People" say all sorts of things.

[distant jackal]

anyone got ip look ups?

[buoyant seal]

What do you mean by this phrase? Could u rephrase or extend your question with some additional context?

[distant jackal]

something i can download, i type in the ip, it looks it up

[true harness]

what information are you looking to lookup 🤔

[hearty island]

mate are you lost?

[deft herald]

Maybe they're trying to build a GUI in visual basic to track the killer's IP address

[fringe sphinx]

It’s best if we type using the same keyboard

[blazing harbor]

billybobby have you tried gta v b4

[summer roost]

this is #career-advice

[trim crypt]

Just saw a tiktok video where someone advised to stop building side projects and build startups instead to put in your portfolio. If anyone has any, can I see an example of what a portfolio of startups look like?

[indigo forum]

can some tell me that is pythorch for DL and ML is best for a beginner .... to start career in AI etc..

[smoky quest]

lol no. This is a terrible advice

[smoky quest]

Hi!
It's a question better asked over at #data-science-and-ml

[trim crypt]

idk, seems fair. I just saw a job ad asking if someone has experience building a SaaS from scratch to deployment in their portfolio. 🤷‍♂️

[smoky quest]

you can probably find an example of everything. It won't make it the rule nor a great idea

and all in all, it's a pretty terrible idea.

[trim crypt]

Mind sharing why its a terrible idea? I can see one good thing about it. At least being able to grow a side hustle

if at all

[smoky quest]

you are kind of proving the point: a side hustle is counter productive to the employer. It's a distraction.

The skills demonstrated from building a startup or saas have nothing to do with the skills required for the job of a swe

[trim crypt]

I guess it can also be argued that employer is looking for someone with experience to build one from scratch to launch.

I mean the SaaS app doesn't have to be the main driver. I could probably think of something autonomous so it won't be a distraction

[smoky quest]

if it has nothing to do with the job, then it's still as relevant as someone knowing how to bake bread

[smoky quest]

your side business don't help your employer

And in terms of portfolio, it's not great. It means either you have a bunch of failed businesses, which implies you aren't great, or you have some great businesses and either you will quit your job or it will become a distraction.
Hence for looking for a job, it's a terrible advice

[trim crypt]

yeah I guess

[clear hazel]

Can anyone tell me how to be a shark in algorithms?
Some good sites where i can test myself or understand in easy. I feel like my teacher is bad at formulate things so i try to Think about homestudy for that class.

[turbid bobcat]

I'm gonna be an ML CUDA Programmer for physics simulations applications

[turbid bobcat]

Actually, it's gonna be challenging without a local GPU

[near brook]

Hi can I ask question here, I need you guys suggestions 🙏

[zealous path]

Go on

[near brook]

my lecturer is pursuing a master degree course, he's about to build a project, a wide one, he called me and explain the project to me that it's a master's degree project not like school project that it's gonna be wide. the project is based on agricultural sector (Nigeria for example) and AI. as he explained to me he said, it going to be an application that'll predict what famer will do for his next plant, just like forecast since it's built with AI, like forecast predicting the weather if it's going to rain today or not, if it'll be sunny tomorrow or not like that.... he said, if the famer plant maize today following the AI app that's going to be build, the AI will tell him what to do next, maybe in the next 4 days he need to add fertilizer or wet it or do something else to it.

He also said that as i know we're going to collect data from various places in agriculture to train the AI, so AI will work very well and accurate, he also said that he also want it to help the economy as things are cost in Nigeria nowadays, instead of importing things in from other country.

What he told me to do now is to make research about it and i think about the agriculture too also.

Need your assistance, you can use your country ad example instead of Nigeria

[zealous path]

Not exactly a Python coding question so might need to go into #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval but I think you’d need to:
-look into AI in agriculture
-do apps like that already exist?
-do farmers use an tracking for their crops?
-do they have cameras or sensors set up?
-some have automated watering, how is that setup/calculated?

-how might you consider gathering this data?
-would you question farmers on their techniques or do you setup cameras to video capture instead

-how would this algorithm learn?
-what data would it take in?
-weather impacts farming, will you gather that data as well?

[merry fulcrum]

earned 10 billions last year, but by some reason i want your $50/h job

[merry fulcrum]

Shark has 3 years old IQ.

[near brook]

all these questin i would like to ask also from someone that has done soemthing similar to it or an exp developer.... i wish to do something like this buh am confused on how to get started 😥

[near brook]

yea

[merry fulcrum]

Trying to be useful here, for academic algorithm, trying any Python courses + algorithm speficific class, i recommand codewithmosh, for $39 per month, or any other Google or IBM courses

[weary crag]

hmm interesting. But let's say you built an app or website as a side project and were able to launch it, have a couple hundred of users and maybe made some money with it. Isn't that much more impressive than some side project that no one ever used and you solely built it for yourself.

[clear hazel]

Thx

[fringe sphinx]

See the pins in #algos-and-data-structs , there’s a free MIT course you could use. There are also practice sites like exercism and codewars for general coding practice, and leetcode/hackerrank for DSA problems

[fringe sphinx]

!res and review these

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[white relic]

It is both more impressive and more concerning for someone who might want to hire you full time to do something other than work on your "side project".

(Especially if it was a side project you developed while also working for someone else)

[weary crag]

okay yea that makes sense

[true harness]

lots of onboarding documents have forms like, "do you have other somethigns you will continue while being employed by us"

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with above: building a business/side gig is a good life skill for reasons other than being / landing a SWE job, but for purely preparing for SWE don’t see the point

[hidden slate]

is AI a more lucrative career than cybersecurity?

[hearty island]

idk about that one chief

[hidden slate]

hm

[hearty island]

it really depends on what you want to do and how deep your knowledge goes

[peak halo]

the best way to find this out is looking on glassdoor

[hearty island]

if y’all were told you have a panel interview with 6 other people for an hour long, you’d assume it’s the final round right?

it’s the final countdownnnnn 🎸

[peak halo]

Yes

[hearty island]

ok then i better knock this shit out of the park

[hearty island]

i have a feeling they kinda just gave me a shot because of my past internships

but you never really know what goes on in the minds of hiring managers

https://tenor.com/view/bears-dank-gif-21434891

for example L3Harris all of a sudden said it’s a payroll related role… during the interview

[fringe sphinx]

Or perhaps penultimate. Sometimes there's a final interview with the boss man to sign off. The panel is important: it means they care about you enough to spend 6 man-hours on you.

[hearty island]

yep 🫡 i will do my best to land this

[hybrid sage]

i swear some hiring managers are so dumb in the head

[lost cypress]

on a SWE resume for trying to get an internship, should my technical skills section be near the top? right after education? or should it be lower in the resume like after my projects

[fringe sphinx]

Don't think it matters, but when in doubt, follow https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

Personally, I prefer to see it on bottom, because it's less important than what you can demonstrate through work xp

[inland breach]

can anyone help me with the error Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully.

[lost cypress]

oh yea i actually use this exact template

i've just seen different placings for the skills section, so i have been unsure

[inland breach]

i am new topython and doesnt know much plz help error = Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully.

[lost cypress]

use #python-discussion

[inland breach]

i tried but count ubderstand how to use it in vsc as i said i m new so

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I usually see it up top, but it's one of the sections I skip because it's context-free

[fringe sphinx]

This is the careers channel. As random said, use #python-discussion for general questions about python programming.

[inland breach]

oh ok

[lost cypress]

oh okay, are you a recruiter I assume?

[fringe sphinx]

Hiring manager

[lost cypress]

oh nice!

[lost cypress]

idk if you usually dont do this but would you mind taking a quick look at my resume to make sure everything is fine? i actually just got referred for an internship and want to do one final check!

[fringe sphinx]

Just paste it in this channel and remove anything personal. It's normal to get reviews here.

[lost cypress]

of course

and sounds great give me a sec

[fringe sphinx]

I might not get to it for a few hours, but someone else would

[lost cypress]

no problem

[narrow oyster]

Guys I can't decide

Like I want to make different kind of projects but I ALSO have to specialize

I have in mind 1 web dev project and 2 mobile dev projects but I'd like to specialize in ML

Basically I like every aspect of pogramming* LMAO

What would you recommend in this situation?

[fringe sphinx]

Tell us more about your situation? Education/experience/country/why you have to pick?

[narrow oyster]

I'm in my third year of college in a third world country (Panama). I'm summa cum laude, though only because of the hopes of getting a scholarship abroad to study AI. I lack experience, with some knowledge of HTML, CSS and JavaScript because I did some static web app befores but not far from that. My best language rn is Python because I did a chess game project with a UI and OOP in which I'll plan to add a main menu soon and a SQL system there (I have to learn SQL but I guess it would be better for me if I implement both SQL and Python so I get the hands of both better). I guess I have to specialize in one domain because, well that's one of the things most tech influencers say nowadays and they're right. What's the point of being a Jack of All Trades if you've mastered nothing?

[fringe sphinx]

Most tech influencers are full of, well, you know.

[blazing harbor]

billy I hate those people who sell algorithms course with little to no qualifications and it's literally just a repackaged version of leetcode

[fringe sphinx]

"What's the point of being a Jack of All Trades if you've mastered nothing?": Because this is exactly what we want entry level candidates to be... a good foundation.

[fringe sphinx]

You have no idea what job offers you'll get. Maybe it'll be AI, maybe it'll be Data, maybe it'll be an e-commerce platform, maybe it'll be game related, etc. Trying to specialize now is, in my opinion not good for your career.

[blazing harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGE-tFalwpA @fringe sphinx ppl pay for this stuff

[fringe sphinx]

Instead, consider: Focusing on foundational skills... I'll just cite Darkwind here: #career-advice message

[balmy mural]

I'd say generalize while you're early in your career, specialize later in life when you have a broader grasp on what the possibilities are

[hearty island]

i like neetcode, that’s about it

[vapid jay]

i was just about to say neetcode is fire

[strange nova]

Don't count me out, I'm not giving up, I am unbreakable

[dapper bane]

making backends aint cutting it too much competition here cant event get an internship

[merry fulcrum]

You are on my boat, i full of anything but can't find a job, from computer vision to cybersecurity to deep learning, i guess that's just the burden we must carry. You know, "with great responsibility carries great price" - uncle jue

[merry fulcrum]

you are unbreakable but can you bendable?

[lost cypress]

Any advice on my resume, currently in process of internship searching, don’t have any related work experience yet

I’ve been kinda stuck between having skills above projects or not but I hear differing opinions on this

[woeful ravine]

What is the best way to start learning python any tips or guidance from people who have completed it

[lost cypress]

Ohhh like put projects above education

Anybody have more tips for me aside from section ordering?

Or does my resume look pretty solid

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[strange nova]

Have you tried applying for actual jobs or just internships? How long have you been at it?

You could remove the sections about frameworks and developer tools

and try to collapse that into a one liner for skills, while trying to make your projects demonstrate those skills instead

Knowing how to use VScode and Gemini AI isn't that relevant and can lower your level of professionalism to mention

With the extra space from collapsing you can put a link to your portfolio, which you can host for free with github pages

[lost cypress]

Yes for the past few weeks I’ve been applying to internships and also doing my best to expand my network with recruiters and students on linked in and in person as well

[lost cypress]

Oh perfect thank you

[lost cypress]

By this you just mean I could just find a template on GitHub that I could fork and use as my portfolio and deploy it right

[humble kelp]

Hey so I’ve been working at a MAANG for 1.5 years now, although from India, I’m trying to move out. How possible is it for me to find an opportunity which might would help me achieve my goal of moving out? And where should I start? How feasible is it and etc

[pine sail]

as in, you work for meta/amazon/apple/netflix/google currently? and you want to move to the US? see what options your company has for relocation

[small ember]

where is the best place to hire a python dev for crypto

[lost cypress]

like u want to hire one or you want to get hired?

[small ember]

i wanna hire one

[fringe sphinx]

Post a job on linkedin, I'd guess.

[small ember]

thx

[lost cypress]

joking ofc but not really haha

[analog sun]

Please don't use the server for advertising

[lost cypress]

me?

[lost cypress]

hey billy i was able to send my resume up there, ik ur busy so whenever you get a chance a quick look would be awesome

[fringe sphinx]

Tag me with the messag, and I'll look later today

[lost cypress]

unless they said everything youd say

[lost cypress]

@fringe sphinx (resume review)

[fringe sphinx]

I'll read more thoroughly later, but this is one of the best ones I've seen here in a while.

[humble kelp]

Don’t want to be in the current company. I want to know if some other company will be willing to directly call me abroad

[pine sail]

if youre in a faang company just apply, id look into work visas before anything else so you know all the needed steps

[strange nova]

Eh you could write a page for your portfolio and host it with gh pages, not sure if there's templates but worth a shot to look

[clear sandal]

Anyone wanna tell me abit about how people make their careers learning python? like what can you do with python that a potential client would want, im curious since if i wanna learn this as an actual skill i wanna figure out what kind of gain i can get from my time

[smoky quest]

python can be used for many things, from desktop app, to automation app, to ML/AI, or even building services that power things like youtube and discord

In terms of career, a CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

[clear sandal]

cs as in cybersecurity?

[radiant swan]

Compsci I think

[smoky quest]

computer science

[clear sandal]

and this is achivable from being selftaught as long as i work? or will employers expect me to have a degree or something

[radiant swan]

Usually they want a degree. From my experience at least...

[smoky quest]

Not having a degree means you will go on an extremely more difficult path with less opportunities and less pay.
There is a reason a degree takes 3-5 years of full time studies to obtain 😉

[buoyant seal]

i use it for DevOps engineering and backend development ^_^
for first thing: i need to know infrastructure as a code instruments in addition (they allow autoconfigure infrastructure for servers/databases/networks and etc), debugging issues in infrastructure, knowing AWS stuff
for second: sql, and coding skills in general. unit testing stuff, gathering requriements, debugging issues in a regular code, working with rest apis.

[clear sandal]

yeah theres just no way im gonna be able to take a computer science degree while also working full time and having a kid

[radiant swan]

I heard bootcamps are a good alternative

[smoky quest]

bootcamps can be helpful. They still don't compare to a degree, and they may have more experience helping placing students.
Still on that more difficult path track

[clear sandal]

ok so then it might actually not be worth my time if i wanna turn it into a career in the future

beleive it or not but working on a boat leaves me with literally no skills that helps me on land

[smoky quest]

It's not a trade job and it takes time to learn and practice.
So it should not be considered as something where you can show up and learn on the job.

In terms of path, you could also look at adjacent jobs like QA. They are somewhat easier to get in, but it's not something you can walk in either

Depending on your country/state, there can also be evening classes and help to learn. But regardless of the option, that's going to be tough with a family

[clear sandal]

unfortunately there are no evening classes etc near me that doesnt have the same requiresments as signing up for a bachelor

[buoyant seal]

true, QA looks like very easy to enter in comparison. heck, we can see even manual QA without coding!
not sure about satisfaction though in such job. Also suspiciously all QA i saw until this time were not males for some reason. May be hidden extra requirement is present in such job positions, potentially.
for some jobs like being vocal translator and etc being easy to get hired as female in some countries.
job requirements aren't very gender equal sometimes.

[hearty island]

“Dear Damian,

Thank you for taking the time to apply for the [not available] position at Red River. We appreciate your interest in joining the company! At this time, we will not be moving forward with your application.

We have reviewed your resume and have carefully considered your qualifications. While your skills are certainly impressive, we have decided to pursue other candidates for this position.

We encourage you to check back on our careers page for future openings. In the meantime, we will hold on to your resume and will reach out again if anything changes on our end.

We appreciate your interest in Red River and wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Best regards,

Talent Acquisition Team
Red River Technology” lol rip me

[woeful ravine]

?

What is QA?

[buoyant seal]

Quality Assurance.
Such jobs are called Manual QA , or Quality Assurance Engineer and etc
usually QA is tester of application frontends (from web to desktop and mobile)
QA exists in manual clicking variation, and automated one. Automated QA usuallly writes and maintains Selenium/Cypress and etc e2e tests

[woeful ravine]

Is just learning python good enough for a potential job

[smoky quest]

you may want to scroll up a bit as there was the very same conversation

[buoyant seal]

#career-advice message

[gritty rivet]

Have you looked at WGU? It's very flexible and affordable and therefore popular with late career changers.

[deft herald]

Is learning how to use a calculator enough to get a job as a mathematician?

[idle halo]

hi guys

[deft herald]

Hi

[naive marlin]

skibbidi

[marsh thistle]

!cban 919405755784892467 You've disregarded our rules prohibiting self-promotion and the solicitation of payment/paid work numerous times. Goodbye.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @vast cedar permanently.

[vivid bone]

okay so the thing is im sharpening my skills but i have no idea how to apply for jobs, i have 4 months left to end my last semester and i see others in my college getting a response back when they apply, i have no idea when to apply like do i apply for interviews alongside learning or finish learnig then apply? sounds stupid but yea i had no guidance at all in this area so my mind is blank rn

[smoky quest]

you only need a resume to apply to jobs

[vivid bone]

i've applied to 15-30 companies but i got no response so its problem about my resume not being shortlisted

so im thinking to upskill and add more to it and make better projects but its kinda anxious because i have only 3-4 months left to do so much

[smoky quest]

Why don't you post your anonymized resume for review?

[vivid bone]

let me see

[vivid bone]

nah its kinda not impressive i need to make a better one with some formal template

any recommendations?

[smoky quest]

I have zero information about you other than you have applied to 15-30 companies without any replies. So nope, no recommendation at this stage

[vivid bone]

i mean any recommendation for resume templates

[smoky quest]

jake's template is popular

main thing is to make sure it's text and preferably single column

[vivid bone]

i picked mine from canva and its too overdesigned and maybe that was the problem but thanks

[steel spruce]

Hi

I am new to Python programming Language. Please guide me

Is this the right channel?

[white relic]

It's the right channel to discuss starting or preparing for a career using Python in your job. It isn't the right channel to ask for general Python help or questions about the language itself (try #python-discussion )

[bronze egret]

Help me solve one problem. Basically, the teacher told me that I have access to the Internet at a speed of 500 Mbps. That is, I have access to free Internet from 8:00 to 15:00 from Monday to Friday. He told me that if I find a way to make money using this Internet, then I will allow you to do it until the end of the school year. I have 5 months left until I graduate, so if anyone has any ideas or just any advice. Write me a private message. We will discuss this with you, and I am ready to thank you generously with money for your help.

[fringe sphinx]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[bronze egret]

soory my bad

[fringe sphinx]

And, not sure I even understand your question. Access to internet is common in developed world, that’s certainly nothing special or terribly relevant to making money.

[bronze egret]

So the point is that I have free acces of high speed internet, so for example I can at least hold server for free with this internet

[fringe sphinx]

You’d still need a server. And a server that only runs for a few hours isn’t terribly useful.

[kindred oyster]

just a bandwidth on its own is not that useful

[fringe sphinx]

And more importantly: hosting a commercial site on a schools network likely violates the schools use policy.

[bronze egret]

anyway, thanks for your help

[dapper bane]

is there any library to get an image link I want to populate my db with fake data I can populate but how will I put in the image links ?

in django

[proven crest]

Question for employed Python devs, do you have a second language you use for your job, if so which one and what’s your role?

[near ocean]

Javascript, SQL, some bash occasionally or various linux tools

[proven crest]

I’ve seen a few say JS, where does that come in? Is it mainly in backend roles?

[near ocean]

In "fullstack" situations

[dapper bane]

hey i need holp

[kindred oyster]

please use the correct channels for asking the question , read channel description if you are not sure what the channel's topic is

[near ocean]

Fullstack in quotes because it implies an even or close to even split of roles but its not really even

[dapper bane]

oh shit i did not notice this is career discussion

[white relic]

In my office, three people working on the same team on the same project who all use Python might answer that with (1) bash (2) SKILL, which is a Lisp based scripting language for Cadence design software (3) MATLAB

(4) C

I make no claim to represent the average Python development environment

[proven crest]

Ah interesting. I’m looking to add another language since I’ve been working with Python for a year and a bit now, but I want it to be fun (to me) and useful (to me, and my career). I was thinking of c# as it’s used in a lot of pi stuff and can create some fast automations but idk if it goes well with Python in any way (in terms of career)

[white relic]

What kind of career are you interested in?

[proven crest]

I’m a developer atm, I want to stay a developer (or swe)

[white relic]

c# is a good language to know but idk about much synergy with Python

[proven crest]

Would another similar language have more synergy?

[white relic]

But I wouldn't let that stop you from learning it if you want to

[proven crest]

I mean it’s a huge investment of time and effort over a long period so I really would want it to be something that i can maximise the benefit from, if I were to learn a passion mess around language it would be swift (which I still want to in the future! I think c# or similar will make the transition easier too)

[white relic]

It depends on where you are in your career and what you want from learning a new language. Like if you use Python for web back end dev and want to do web backend, well, you already know Python, maybe you would get more out of learning a language used for a different part of the stack (JS, maybe, or perhaps C/Rust to go the other way)

[merry fulcrum]

Do whatever you want, but at time when you want at job you will find that only learn something is important

it's not about yourself interest or something

[proven crest]

That makes sense. I’m a junior dev, have been for around 9 months or so. I mainly use python with some SQL and spark. I mainly work on software without a front end, models, apis, automation software etc. I really enjoy it and get to work on a verity or projects. I wouldn’t really want to get into web dev, although I’ve never done it if seems a bit boring and limiting in what kind of projects I could be part of without getting front end (which I don’t want to)

[white relic]

To me Python and C# fill kind of similar "layers" in the fields in which they overlap. And there's nothing wrong with learning both and being a more rounded developer in that layer (back end, e.g.) but it probably wont mean you use them together in the same project

[merry fulcrum]

i heard lot job posting want C and Python

[proven crest]

That also makes sense, I’m happy in the backend and want to stay there, so maybe c# really is the best option if I want to become more valuable as a back end developer

[white relic]

Nice, I also deal in software without a front end. My pick would be Rust but that's highly personal (nobody uses C# in applied electronics research)

nobody uses rust either but I'd rather do that than c#

[proven crest]

Rust looks very interesting, but also quite new and I don’t think it’s reached mass adoption yet, so that might limit job opportunities. Maybe I’m wrong though, I’ve not really looked into it

[white relic]

That is fair. I'm at a point in my career where I can mostly pick the tools I use and in a career field where I'm not much encumbered by historical decisions.

That said, I still use C and the rewrite in Rust stalled, so...

[proven crest]

Ah sounds fun, hope I get there before AGI takes my job

[white relic]

probably

[proven crest]

How long have you been a developer and what’s your title if you don’t mind me asking?

[white relic]

My title is senior researcher. I'm not primarily a software developer, although Python is a significant part of my job (exactly how significant varies from month to month)

[proven crest]

Oh interesting, did that stem from a developer job?

[white relic]

Not in my case, I started in digital design. But I have had coworkers who came up the other way.

[proven crest]

Interesting, I guess there’s a whole bunch of really interesting jobs that might not be development but would use that experience, also good to know! Thanks for the talk 🙂

[dapper bane]

why would one wanna learn python and rust together ?

[fallen horizon]

hello

[gritty rivet]

Scroll up and you'll see that while many people are worried about that, none are working in the industry yet. Those who do know that software engineering isn't going away anytime soon

[white relic]

They are languages that are very different in how they work and how you use them independently, but they integrate very well, so there's a lot to learn from both and there's a lot of potential in the combination as you can use different languages for solving different kinds of problems.
Moreover, both are modern languages with excellent package managers and well designed libraries for most common things, plus great communities.

Also for fun

[dapper bane]

okay but if u are looking for purely job or freelancing wise in python then what would u choose ?

[near ocean]

JS probably

[white relic]

A sensible choice

[merry fulcrum]

50 years, 80%

[fringe sphinx]

That’s what they said 50 years ago

[dapper bane]

I already know JS

[blissful hollow]

Can I get something of Consultant position (specialised in one field)? I am aware of exit opportunities, but I struggle to find solid ground to migrate skills I would get. (Waiting for an offer) Couldn't get a typical developer interview this far yet.

[proven crest]

I mean in the AI field the year on year advancements now are bigger than the advancements made in decades previously, but that’s a moot point. If AI can takeover complex swe jobs, your job will be the least of your problems. Society, the economy, it’ll all have to change.

[proven crest]

Afaik consultants are usually consultants because they have a great deal of experience in a field, if you’re struggling to get a dev interview you might not be experienced or have a skill set in demand enough to consult (afaik, I might be wrong)

[blissful hollow]

I do have experience in dealing with users (call center) and kind of with the supply chain (basically worked at the start and end of it). I wasn't tested with coding but rather math. Wasn't a top performer but got into 2nd and 3rd stage. It is said they use AI/ML but afaik it isn't the case yet.
(I had a BS work with ML and Data analyst but no one cares tbh)

[clear sandal]

looks non european

[blissful hollow]

Still could be the case where they have 1-2 strong candidates and take 7-8 more just to meet the requirement ig. They do recruit throughout the year though

[proven crest]

Tested where? So you are getting interviews for developer roles?

[fringe sphinx]

Im joking more about the utility of long term predictions. Im still waiting on my hover car

[proven crest]

https://tenor.com/view/hoverboard-back-to-the-future-gif-26241375

Actually looking at that they weren’t far off with shoe design lol

[blissful hollow]

I do but few and far between. For this month 1 advanced stage (no answer yet) and 1 take home and 1 for gov (very long recruitment process).

[fringe sphinx]

Hah, true

[proven crest]

Keep going then, when you fail on an interview look why you failed, request feedback for improvement and improve for the next one!

[white relic]

"Year on year advancements" are not really how research progresses. There are always long stretches of slow incremental progress separated by sudden innovative leaps. And every time there's a big leap people make predictions like this.

Maybe I'm wrong and this time the singularity really is around the corner

[blazing harbor]

Hmm would you say hr works mainly for the share holders or the employees

[fringe sphinx]

How’s that even a question?

[blazing harbor]

Just curious

[proven crest]

Hr is a charity that helps employees out of the shareholders expense

[fringe sphinx]

HRs first job is to protect the company.

[blazing harbor]

But it’s Human Resources

So who is here for the employees 😔

[fringe sphinx]

Yup. Just like the IT departments first job is to protect the company.

Not the computers.

Or the finance department and dollar bills.

[blazing harbor]

Damn this sucks

[proven crest]

Why?

[hearty island]

they've always been on the company's side lol. protect the company at all times.

[blazing harbor]

I honestly idealized corporate culture lol

[proven crest]

HR will help you, because it’s in the companies best interest to avoid being sued. If you’re being bullied, experienced racism, abuse from a manager, they’ll deal with it and be on your side.

[fringe sphinx]

That doesn’t mean HR is trying to screw you. Just that their priority is the company.

[blazing harbor]

Hmm but like if the company tryna screw me, who is on my side

[fringe sphinx]

HR are not your social workers.

[white relic]

the company (presumably) pays you money. You can always hire your own lawyer if you have a legal issue with the company itself. But the company isn't going to help you against itself

[proven crest]

Depends, give an example. If HR might be if it’s in the companies best interest and there’s been manager screwing you, otherwise yeah get a lawyer.

[fringe sphinx]

Just you.

[fringe sphinx]

Also; a companies lawyers also work for the company and have no duty to you.

[proven crest]

I meant a private one, against the company

[narrow oyster]

r/ArtificialIntelligence is so gloomy lol

[buoyant seal]

i actually suddenly realized there is an aspect of work i would not have minded it was Artificle Intelligenced to 100% 😅
give me more AI to monitoring of logging/metrics for anomalous stuff.
It is convinient to check only important stuff, or stuff that has higher chance to be important

Less routine, more fun stuff to act upon then.

[proven crest]

Why can’t that be automated today?

[buoyant seal]

It is automated already, Datadog offers that.
Just wishing more quality provided to it
And preferably being usable without expensive Datadog

Smh like self hosted free log analyzer
Prometheus metrics analyzer

That creates a lazy room where we don't need to configure monitoring alerts on our own
Put AI to serve as default alerting situation finder

[hollow vault]

any tips for a coding interview? about to have one later this week? been practicing leetcode and reading about them

[peak halo]

if they're a good interviewer, the point of the questions isn't to see that you solve it correctly per se, but to create a basis for discussion about how you approach those problems.

[blazing harbor]

You should be able to do both for top tech

Also this isn’t generalizable (consider meta)

[kindred oyster]

if your approach is correct but you are messing up somewhere in silly mistakes , the interviewrs help you.
they even give you hints sometimes (assuming they are a good interviewer)

[fringe sphinx]

Similar to Stel's comment: practice not knowing the answer, not knowing the answer. That's part of the point of the general "how would you move mount fuji" type questions.

[blazing harbor]

Meta is like here’s 3 lc mefiums or 2 lc mediym + 1 hard solve it in a hour

[fringe sphinx]

I don't think you can move the needle on your ability to do that, given a week or two of prep (assuming you've done some basic prep/etc over the past year). You are who you are. The thing to practice is how you handle yourself: the soft skills involved.

[blazing harbor]

Also sometimes they like to mix numerical reasoning qs in like if I give you and Saul a coin each and I put you in a room and you guys can’t talk to each other. If you both come out with the different sides ( both tails or both heads), you guys get a reward. Otherwise, no. Assuming this game is played optimally by both you and Saul, what’s the probability of winning?

Hmm and let’s say it’s a fair coin

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, my point is: what I'm looking for in this question is: How does the interviewee conduct themselves? Can they explain their thought process? Do they solicit feedback from interviewer? Can we work together towards a solution?

Do they decompose the problem, or otherwise try to simplify the stated problem.

[blazing harbor]

Yeah Ik I thought I would share that fun question

I like that kinda problem solving

And I like billybobby he’s pretty cool

I sometimes ask the weirdest questions and he still responds

[serene bison]

Hello, I have a question

Our company is looking for a python dev, anyone know if there is a channel here for that?

[blazing harbor]

We don’t do that in this server no recruiting

[buoyant seal]

!rule 6 9 , this server is not this place

Discussion of Python and the world of work | NOT FOR RECRUITMENT | For recruitment and jobs, see https://www.python.org/jobs/ and https://www.pythonjobshq.com/

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[serene bison]

Oh sorry didnt know thanks

[blazing harbor]

No problem ur all good

[winter walrus]

I am web developer.
I can use python perfectly.
I can help u.

[merry fulcrum]

Elite Python develope, 10 years experience, hire me

I completed kaggle intemediate ML certificate, where to go?

[peak halo]

you can't ask for jobs here.

that's because you repeatedly fail to follow the rules and code of conduct.

[merry fulcrum]

I dropped college

[peak halo]

okay? the #rules and #code-of-conduct are easy to access within the server.

[merry fulcrum]

Okay

[merry fulcrum]

Just for formatting

[merry fulcrum]

You guys are busting my ass.

[peak halo]

!ban 1208800068782522499 "1 week" Your poor behavior has been a drain on our moderation team. Please re-consider how you engage with other people before you return.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @merry fulcrum until <t:1709053377:f> (7 days).

[pine sail]

LOL

[proven crest]

Humorous exchange

[pine sail]

"elite python develope"

[proven crest]

Consider his ass busted

[peak halo]

let's move on.

[dapper bane]

What should I freelance with python ?

There's so much stuff I can't decide

[smoky quest]

It depends on your skills, the demand and your location.
I would suggest to check out freelancer platforms

[dapper bane]

I did I am applying to jobs and trying freelancing I need something that can work with both

I know django I made a bunch of apis and stuff using rest

[rare parcel]

What’s up everyone, noob question here. I’d like a path to start making some side money with Python (Upwork or that kind of thing). So far my experience with python has primarily been in pygui automation for my own pet projects.

1. where/in what is demand the highest for side work?
2. what are the most valuable things I could be learning?
3. what kind of certs should I be going after?

My background is in finance

Thanks in advance!

[buoyant seal]

how much solid your background in finance?

[gritty rivet]

You can go on Upwork and see for yourself, both what people are looking to hire for and what skills people are offering

You'll see loads of highly skilled people charge $10/hr and below and they have established customer bases with lots of good reviews. Competing with that isn't easy

[neon ember]

any other good platform after upwork... ?

[strong viper]

I am wondering about CS in general, I saw some reddit posts, it seems like that CS is doomed. People are not getting internship, they are saying it is super hard to land a job in a entry/juinor positon rn. I have to admit that the market is rough now, it feels like that it is worst in recent years.

[smoky quest]

Hi!
Is there a question?

[strong viper]

no just discussing about the CS and its future.

[native loom]

1. I am not able to use the copy method in array... like a2 = a1.copy() where a1 and a2 are arrays
2. I am able to use the dunder method of copy...

__copy__()

3. I am able to copy with the help of copy method from the copy module though

I am confused... Plz somebody help me out

[smoky quest]

Hi!
This channel is about #career-advice . You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help

[native loom]

alright

[rare parcel]

Over 10 years in credit and equity management.

[rare parcel]

What’s the reasoning? Ai?

[strong viper]

AI? layoff?

[rare parcel]

Thanks for the response, I do see the $10 hour, is that really all a developer is worth these days.

[strong viper]

bad market, if it will continue in future?

[rare parcel]

Yea I have seen the blood bath of layoffs. But I haven’t seen a real reason for it beyond vc money drying up.

[strong viper]

I wonder if the company's changed their motto I mean less people then more efficient?

For instance for meta it was a great year in financial perspective.

[digital fjord]

A reasoning I heard is that there is nowhere really left to grow at the old speeds. The tech giants have run out of people to gain, cloud adoption is slowing down since people are already on cloud etc. And with slowed down growth, revenue can't go up, so costs must go down to keep raising the stock price.

[strong viper]

Most of them assume the problem is created bc of over hiring during the pandemic. But freash grads gotta compete with those people who has yoe in their bag.

the progression of AI, layoff + new grades make it super hard to land an internship or get an entry level job. I saw thousands people are competing for a single post.

[true harness]

the tasks you would ask of a freelancer and those of a full time employee are different

[digital fjord]

Yeah, it's the hardest it's been in years. We shall see if it changes in the future.

[strong viper]

I afraid if it gets worse with time?

[digital fjord]

There will likely be more demand once all the people who made today's computing in the 70s-90s retire

[strong viper]

since no signs of improving...

[balmy mural]

You're also competing against developers in countries where $10 goes a lot farther than Europe/America

[digital fjord]

Give it time, these things are volatile

[strong viper]

I have spent three years already, countless sleepless nights. I hope it wont get wasted.

[strange nova]

Have you shared your resume for review here?

[balmy mural]

There's also still companies that are hiring fresh grads, even in hiring slumps. The company I work at hired about 80 new grads start of this year. There will be less demand overall, but that doesn't mean there's no demand for fresh grads

[strong viper]

No, I didn't. I think its a good idea. I will do that.

[digital fjord]

Yeah, we are picking up new interns all the time

[strong viper]

I see.

[strong viper]

I see discord is better than Reddit at least. I saw many doomed posts over there. It scared me kinda

[strange nova]

I can't say what I think of reddit it wouldn't be very nice 😂

[true harness]

don't worry about doomerposts tbh

half of them are like, "i applied to 10000 jobs over 5 years with no interviews", but then you look at their resume and it's like half a page with like 30 words in total

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t buy this. Last year wasn’t about tech, it was about the economy (and to some extent, the massive Covid overhiring). Recession fears, banking concerns, and rapid interest rates is a terrible situation for businesses.

And, we’ve had similar events every 10 years or so, almost like clockwork.

[smoky quest]

Note also that even if your company isn't impacted directly by the economy, its customers might. Which in terms means being more conservative on the budgets and plans

[forest kayak]

Im new to learning python coding does anyone have suggestions on a good 1st topic project type something that needs a bit of everything

[fringe sphinx]

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fringe sphinx]

Start here, and ask us questions (or ask in #python-discussion )

[rare cliff]

How does one deal with the stress of waiting for internship replies? I've applied to 4 companies (1 being IBM) for a data engineer/scientist position through uni (the companies work w uni) and waiting is killing me rn

[deft herald]

use the waiting time to apply for more

[rare cliff]

I'm checking every day,most positions are either IT support or full stack/front end devs

[deft herald]

How many days has it been?

[rare cliff]

I have this creeping anxiety no one will reply even though my undergrad thesis is "more of a masters thing" according to my prof

[rare cliff]

Sent the CVs on Thursday/Friday

[deft herald]

ok, well they're not gonna contact you over the weekend. Yesterday was a holiday too (in us)

so really they've had 1 day to look at it. Just be patient. Give it at least 2 weeks

[fringe sphinx]

And in short weeks (in US), many people take this week off

[deft herald]

but yeah, use the idle time to go find and apply to more openings

[vapid jay]

chat

[rare cliff]

I'm located in Greece so yesterday was a normal working day, does it really take weeks to get a reply? I'm wondering whether they're waiting for CVs to pile up before they start reaching out to people

[vapid jay]

any1 up?

[deft herald]

Did you see there was already a conversation going? yes people are awake

[rare cliff]

Also it's been about a week since the internship platform has opened so idk if that has a role in it as well

[deft herald]

I see. You don't have to go through the uni, do you?

[rare cliff]

If I find a position outside the platform the company will have to make a listing on the platform so there's no avoiding it

[fringe sphinx]

Focus on the things you can control, is my advice. You can: apply to more opportunities. Network (have lunch with friends and friends of friends). Start a new project. Etc

[true harness]

apply to more. don't worry about the ones you sent

[rare cliff]

I'm already working and have decent progress on my undergrad thesis (grand challenge), still have a couple of exams in the way

[rare cliff]

I've applied to most data engineer positions near me, that's why I'm just sitting here anxious

I'm checking the platforms every day multiple time for new listings it's nerve wracking tbh

[fringe sphinx]

Network. Talk to friends of friends, family friends, graduates, etc. don’t lead off with ’ask for jobs’, ask them about their experience and any advice. Grow your knowledge.

[vapid jay]

no i didnt. who is awake rn?

[rare cliff]

Speak of the devil, an old acquaintance posted something about a company I've applied to, sent a message their way

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps you’re looking for ‘sleep discord’?

[fringe sphinx]

That’s the way!

[vapid jay]

im not sure. how do i find that out?

[deft herald]

None of your messages makes any sense so far

[vapid jay]

i asked if active

[smoky quest]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[rare cliff]

In any case, the whole thing is through the uni program for undergrads and I'm not sure what the bar is for seniors in IT

I'm working on a rather difficult dataset (MRIs)and also have an Nvidia certificate on deep learning, dunno if that puts me above or below avg

[fringe sphinx]

We take our on topic channels seriously. If you’re not here to discuss the topic of the channel, use the off topic channels, please.

[vapid jay]

hi

[smoky quest]

It's all about how relevant to the role it is.
You should be able to phrase it in terms of: <THE THING> is helpful for this role, because <REASON>

[fringe sphinx]

Every market is different, every company is different, it’s hard to generalize

[vapid jay]

no one is in offtopic.

[rare cliff]

I mean all the applicants are through universities so at least I'm not competing w masters students for positions, it's still anxiety inducing and I also wsnt to get a free code camp certif or 2 as well as another Nvidia certif from uni next semester

[proven crest]

!ban

[vapid jay]

dang

[smoky quest]

Not trying to scare you, but last time I put a job ad for a data engineer, 99% of them had masters

For an internship, you may have more chances

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 325142973245554688 I explained, we take our channel topics seriously. Follow our #rules and #code-of-conduct if you want to be a member of this community.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @vapid jay.

[rare cliff]

Well these are internships put in for uni students specifically since it's in the system for bachelor undergrads so thankfully that's not the case here

Still not sure if I should apply for data analyst jobs as well even though it's not 100% what I want to do

[proven crest]

Just out of interest, what would you deem more valuable, a masters a year or 2 of job experience?

[smoky quest]

masters

years of education >>> years of experience

[proven crest]

Really? So a masters with zero experience in the role is worth more than a degree with two years working as a data analyst?

[smoky quest]

yeah. That's what I said

[rare cliff]

Well data analysts and ML engineers are 2 different things

[proven crest]

I guess I just find that surprising

[fringe sphinx]

It’s tough. I think I’d be more likely to hire the 2 YOE, personally.

But I’m in small tech, and we don’t have the time to invest as much as big tech would

[rare cliff]

In any case, just because it's late for me and I want to go to bed

I can not expect a reply from a company past the 2 week mark right? On very broad terms

[smoky quest]

Last time we put the internship ads, we got thousands of applicants in a matter of weeks. So it took us some times to review folks and sometimes never got to them

[smoky quest]

lots of these questions also have some baked in assumptions.

[rare cliff]

It's not quite the same here (again thankfully) because only 25 people from my dept got access to the internship platform, based on grades etc

So there's a few hundred IT seniors looking at posts,idk how many want to become ML engineers though

[fringe sphinx]

20 years ago, I remember I was hiring at a big tech company for two or three roles. Recruiter got hundreds of applicants.

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to not put all your eggs in the same basket. I would encourage you to also apply on linkedin/indeed/etc.
Unless your platform has >= 25 internships, there are still chances you get nothing

[fringe sphinx]

I never saw a single of them? Because I interviewed/hired solely off the piles of internal referrals.

(Referrals by employees, not internal candidates)

[smoky quest]

yeah, I think we crossed the thousands in less than a week for the more frontend/backend internships

[rare cliff]

Looking on there as well, haven't found anything machine learning internship related sadly

In any case thanks for the info, I'll try to keep my patience in check for this week at least gn

[smoky quest]

feel free to send your anonymized resume here for review as well

[smoky quest]

Hi! we don't do recruitment ads

@fringe sphinx I don't think it's their first time either
(mentioning it since I see you typing)

[urban lynx]

Anyone know some good discord servers for video editing?

[lost tapir]

helo

anyone here?

[modern dock]

Hi can anyone tell me how to start learning machine learning i find it like a black box

[west badger]

hello

can someone guide me if i wanna do my bachelor's in canada as it is much more affordable than USA i think?

[near ocean]

Is that a question?

[desert imp]

Same

[spark sparrow]

We need an expert here ....Any expert in the builiding

[near ocean]

The current advice is go to uni

[spark sparrow]

What is this you are uni you are reffering to Dude?

[near ocean]

University

[spark sparrow]

There are online resources that can help a person learn programing , these are the ones am asking for

[near ocean]

Youre not going to find a job as a machine learning engineer through self learn

[spark sparrow]

Why bro?

[near ocean]

Because thats how that industry is
Look at job ads, they usually ask for multiple degrees

[spark sparrow]

Are you a programmer expert?

[near ocean]

Yes

[modern dock]

bro my college education is bad

so i am afraid to get into university for higher education

[kindred oyster]

get into a good uni then

[loud schooner]

With the AI boom, there is a real drive to get people to learn Machine Learning. This means there is funding to do an MSc that covers fees and sometimes living costs

You would need to do an undergraduate degree first though

[loud schooner]

University is a different place. Personally I struggled previous levels of education and scraped enough grades to get into university. I ended up loving university, then 8 years later I left with a doctorate

[modern dock]

bruh i am in india here scenario is different

[kindred oyster]

there are plenty good unis in india too , not sure what you are talking about

[loud schooner]

Pretty much what @kindred oyster said. You need to work hard and engage.

While most of IT I would argue you can get into without formal education. I've met some excellent people working in IT who left school at 16. However, machine learning is highly complex and very much requires some statistics background. I would also argue that research design training is very beneficial

[modern dock]

yea bruh getting into those are impossible 😦

[kindred oyster]

the harder it is to get in , the better the UNI

if you need to get top 1% of the unis , you need to work harder than the 99%

[modern dock]

🙂 mm

[kindred oyster]

also its not strictly crucial to get the top university

as long as you can develope skills , its all fine
(a semi decent uni should be fine)

[loud schooner]

I was going to say. I went to Portsmouth uni and ended up doing my doctorate at Exeter. Most of your time in uni really benefits from self driven work.

[proven crest]

Question about US uni. How does one accredited uni degree differ from another. E.g a degree from a non top 30 university compared to a top 30? Would you be less likely to get a job based on that?

Also for further education, if you have a degree from a lower ranking university are you still likely to be accepted for a masters in a higher ranking university and would that supersede the lower ranking undergrad in terms of job offers and pay?

[loud schooner]

I would also highlight the place in the league table does not equal a better experience as a student. So much is based on subject specialists

[white relic]

"Top" universities are generally known for their research and not for their undergraduate programs

[loud schooner]

Very true.

A name may open a few doors, but a few years out of uni and no one will care

[white relic]

If even that

[proven crest]

So a bsc from Stamford would be treated the same as from university of Oklahoma? Generally.

[white relic]

Sure.
It's worth pointing out though that you might know more useful connections from going to Stanford.

[proven crest]

Yeah that makes sense.

[white relic]

Or maybe not. But in general a BS is a BS

[spark sparrow]

Where are you from

Is there anyone from US in the building?

[proven crest]

Ok and in terms of post grad, is it the same? A post grad in machine learning for example would be treated the same from Stamford vs university of Oklahoma?