career-advice

[raven rivet]

Alright
Thanks

[hard plover]

vscode

spyder

[still plover]

are you ok?

[hard plover]

yeah

[hollow vault]

could anyone look over how i worded things in my resume to see if it makes sense? or if there is a better way to word it?

[strange nova]

Send it in here

[hearty island]

you can also post it here, yeah

[hollow vault]

cool thanks! I feel like i just repeat ETL pipeline but idk what else to say

[strong socket]

Hello, is there any certification of programming skills that has a good weightage

[peak halo]

Not really.

[deft herald]

A bachelor's degree

[hearty island]

"Thank you for your interest in our firm. KPMG has considered you for the Associate, AI Business Analyst position, Job #107936, based on reviewing your resume.

Although interested in your experience, we will not be moving forward with you for this position at this time. (Please note that this is a status update only for this specific position that we considered you for by reviewing your resume. You may be in consideration for other opportunities. If so, please disregard this message and continue to work with your respective recruiter.) " 😦

i must've applied in september or something haha

[vapid jay]

Does anyone here have an AI role at a decent company ? Mind sharing your resume?

I wanna work in either AI or data science, need to know what I need to bring to the table.

[smoky quest]

the field is so wide that rather than looking at an example of a single person, I would suggest to look at job ads to see what they are looking for

[peak halo]

At least a bachelors and probably a masters in computer science or similar. I got in with only a bachelors, but only because I maxed out all the AI-specific courses that undergrads could take, and got a research paper published.

[vapid jay]

I have a bachelors!

[deft herald]

✋ high five

[peak halo]

what did you do during your bachelors that relates to DS/AI?

[vapid jay]

🖐️

[vapid jay]

Well, I DID take an Intro to A.I. class. . . . .Aside from that, not much. The thing is, I'm currently setting up to make projecets geared towards that.

[peak halo]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but prospective employers probably won't care about your personal projects if the only formal credential you have is one intro to AI course. You should probably apply to grad school.

[vapid jay]

Sigh. . . .

This is so fucking stupid. . .

By the time I finish grad school, A.I. will likely be old news.

[hearty island]

that isn't true

[peak halo]

AI won't be old news. It will just be different.

It's already very different than it was five years ago.

[vapid jay]

Look man, the only way I go to grad school? i.e. get saddled with another 100k in debt and have to dedicate another 2-4 years of my life to ANOTHER institution? Is if I can actually get some degree of work during my first year.

[smoky quest]

AI has existed for far longer than anyone alive on this server

[vapid jay]

Wow. . . . So my thoughts just went a little dark.

[peak halo]

That's your best bet, yes. I know it sucks. But these jobs pay well, and a lot of people want them, and so the most desirable companies are going to have formal requirements.

[blazing harbor]

I mean to be fair; if they are super super cracked, they will be fine for QT

[peak halo]

I don't know what super cracked or QT mean.

[vapid jay]

Quantum.

[blazing harbor]

they just need some kinda hook in ANY field

[smoky quest]

You also need to consider that you should optimize for your 40 years long career.
If you optimize for something that will be old news in a few years, then your optimization is not optimal

[blazing harbor]

quantative trading or quant swe

[vapid jay]

ah yes. . . bean counting. . . . .

[peak halo]

as far as I can tell, jobs start with "quant" are the new "data scientist".

[lean hawk]

you could always branch out to a similar profession like Software Engineering but I wouldn't if you just want AI

[vapid jay]

Okay look. . . . .

Fuck A.I. for now. I need to get a job as a sofware engineer by May and I have a bachelor's degree but no projects, so I'm currently building and reading textbooks.

[hearty island]

any internships or anything?

[blazing harbor]

what's ur major in

[vapid jay]

Not that I haven't tried. I had basic stuff on my resume, but no company wanted me. Apparently, some kids got into Amazon with garbage like HTML on their resume, but that didn't work for me. So no, no internships. My major was Computer Science

[blazing harbor]

if it's math or data science , you should be chilling tbf

[vapid jay]

Computer Science was my major and I did / do a lot of math.

[peak halo]

Given that you need a job by May, your effort would definitely be better spent not applying to DS/AI positions.

Do you want to show your current resume (with uniquely-identifying information removed)? Perhaps people could suggest what positions are most appropriate for your skills. And if you didn't do any internships, do you have a noteworthy capstone project?

[blazing harbor]

dawg get yourself some projects, and maybe if you need to do an research experience to pad up your resume and you should get a job ez

[vapid jay]

Look, the story behind my capstone project is. . .Very sympathetic, but in the interest of my "no excuses" mentality, it was the backend of an e-commerce site. Wasn't my choice, but I did what I was asked to make.

[blazing harbor]

and if you really want to, you can do what stelercus said and do a masters but be a GSI cuz like free tuition

[hearty island]

dumb question, what's a GSI? oh

[blazing harbor]

YOU get full tuition waiver if u are a graduate student instructor

[peak halo]

Not a dumb question. I've never heard of it, either.

[peak halo]

That's going to depend on the university.

[lean hawk]

you'll need projects to show your work

[blazing harbor]

I mean @vapid jay can come to umich and they're chilling fr

I'll get him some boba and take him around the campus, and boom gets their masters in something related to DS/AI

[vapid jay]

halfway done with this textbook Learning Python, and the second textbook Programming Python will teach me how to make an email client.

[blazing harbor]

free tuition has fun and goes party and we are all good fr

[vapid jay]

Boy, do NOT "they" me, I am a man. . .A MAAAAN! shirt cartoonishly rips off as I flex my muscles

[lean hawk]

you'll need to learn more languages than just Python

[blazing harbor]

talk about being comfortable with your masculinity 💀

[vapid jay]

I already know C++, and C among other things. However, I was told my skillset was "wide" and wanted to go deep. Frameworks, docker, full stack, APIs, you get what I mean?

[azure wyvern]

hi

[vapid jay]

Oooooh OKAY NO so when a woman or a trans person affirm they gender they are superheroes, but when I do it, I'm the bad guy! You know what? I'm gonna go conquer Canada. . . . . That'll show you! 🤣

[blazing harbor]

OMG hi bestie

[azure wyvern]

hello

[arctic moss]

Hello sir , I am new in python, beginners. Can anyone give me a guideline where to start from ?

[vapid jay]

Get him. . . .

[azure wyvern]

same

[blazing harbor]

I mean to be fair, cis males have the power in society lmao

[vapid jay]

Yeeeah~ that's a pretty reductive way of looking at it.

[hearty island]

!resources

[lean hawk]

that should be fine, those langues are what companies like Google want anyway

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[peak halo]

@vapid jay @blazing harbor please stop this discussion about gender/sexuality

[blazing harbor]

I guess it's the wrong place to have it, but it is an important question

[vapid jay]

BUT DAAAAD~ HE STARTED IT! 👉 @blazing harbor

(I am not tryna be disrespectful, I de escalate by joking just so you know)

[peak halo]

it doesn't matter who started it. it matters that both of you stop.
you in particular are shitposting in this channel when people are trying to give you and others serious answers to their questions.

[vapid jay]

Can you give me an example of a project you used python for on your resume that got you hired?

[peak halo]

That isn't something that people are want to talk about on platforms such as this.

[hearty island]

oh ok

[azure wyvern]

AttributeError: module 'pygame.display' has no attribute 'set' can someone help with this error i am new to python

[vapid jay]

help channel, broski.

[peak halo]

see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[azure wyvern]

thanks

btw do you guys know good youtube python teachers hope im writing this to correct channel

[hearty island]

corey schafer

[azure wyvern]

thank you

[vapid jay]

Like right now for projects, all I can really think about is a website but I don't really want to be a web developer.

[fringe sphinx]

!kindling have you seen this?

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

@fringe sphinx Thanks, mate.

[lean hawk]

yeah, I also hope to become a back-end engineer
I suggest GitHub since that's what most people use anyway

[royal crystal]

go to an in-state school? I got my masters for $7k

[vapid jay]

Will anyone even hire you if you go to an in-state?

[royal crystal]

lol why wouldn't they

[deft herald]

"we only hire people who went to school in a different state they grew up in"

[vapid jay]

Same reason why one wants a Harvard student rather than a Rutgers student.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the term "in-state" ?

[deft herald]

seems like it

[royal crystal]

what? this doesn't make sense to me

[vapid jay]

Hey!

[blazing harbor]

well people are looking for signals of intelligence

[vapid jay]

Hi I'm a codder from Israel

[vapid jay]

I made a mistake, bro. M/b. I didn't realize that in-state is just what it implies. I went to RU-N , it cost me about 13k / semester (LOL).

[royal crystal]

@vapid jay I mean a public school in the state in which you reside. You can typically get less expensive education.

[blazing harbor]

and sometimes college prestige is a quite safe signal that you are intelligent, and (would be a good member to have on our team)

[lean hawk]

I wouldn't go to a cheap school for CS, especially AI
since I hear lots of stories about how the professors there don't care about the students so they end up teaching themselves
every school is different so I wouldn't expect to get good education everywhere

[deft herald]

Shalom

[blazing harbor]

BUT if you are able to show on your resume, with competitions, projects, or previous experience that you are very intelligent that can help

[royal crystal]

Cheap doesn't mean bad

[vapid jay]

That's what happened to me at NJIT when I used Rutgers cross registration program.

[blazing harbor]

NJIT goated tho lowkey

[vapid jay]

NJIT is trash , bro. . . .

[royal crystal]

get your masters if you want it; you don't need to saddle yourself in debt though

[blazing harbor]

WTF bro wym trash dude

https://news.njit.edu/wall-street-journalcollege-pulse-ranks-njit-no-2-public-university-us

[vapid jay]

I have a littanny of reasons, but the most important one is how they treated a friend of mine who was in their entrepreneurs program, Chrystoff.

[blazing harbor]

damn beautiful campus and stuff too

[vapid jay]

They had him run this startup Para-trees, and had the news basically say that they "pulled him out of poverty and made him a C.E.O. of a startup."

[deft herald]

One anecdote does not condemn an entire organization

[vapid jay]

when the startup got money and started getting customers, they said he "did not match the image of a C.E.O." and fired him.

[blazing harbor]

Tbf tho if it involves racism or any sort of bigotry, it absolutely does

[deft herald]

I guess it depends on where the behavior came from

[vapid jay]

He didn't have enough money to finish school either, and they knew that. . .They didn't let him finish as a sign of good faith despite using him to tout how "diverse" they were and how they were an ally to people who look like he and I.

[royal crystal]

idk man, if you look like this...

[vapid jay]

They let him build the startup for them, got rid of him when they no longer needed him and threw him out like garbage. I almost joined his startup, I can tell you? This guy worked very hard and brought a LOT of value and growth to the company.

[blazing harbor]

Maybe he wasn’t serving the shareholders and making value

[deft herald]

But was the startup asociated with the college?

[lean hawk]

I might be forced to since I don't know the math that's required for my college yet
so I might transfer after 1 year from a community college

[vapid jay]

Yes. The college backed startups basically, there is a chain between RU-NB , NJIT, RU-N, etc.

[vapid jay]

Precalculus, and Calculus textbooks mate.

[vapid jay]

Company is backed by the school , customer list was growing and the sales were up so that doesn't make sense.

anyway, we got a bit off topic. NJIT professors don't really teach students in CS classes, that much I know from experience. Math is decent, though.

[blazing harbor]

Oh interesting. Math is insanely good at umich and out cs is p decent

[vapid jay]

Well, maybe I'll apply after I get my first role.

[blazing harbor]

Math tho is taught so well esp at upper levels

We’ve literally done leetcode questions (mediums) as like math questions

[lean hawk]

mine only required Calc 1

[vapid jay]

Well, maybe its a blessing or a curse but I had to do Calc 1-4.

(Calc 4 is differential equations and Linear Algebra)

at this point, I might as well teach myself physics, because why not?

[blazing harbor]

Lmao I’m a freshman

Btw and I have time to do a lot of math courses ig and I’m wondering what I should do

It’s pretty exciting to see what there is to come

[lean hawk]

would be a blessing if I was actually taught it
I was only taught algebra 1 and i'm in algebra 2 now 💀

[vapid jay]

Dude, this is career, go to help or python discussion.

[blazing harbor]

fr

[molten finch]

Ok

[inner wren]

Resources

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[buoyant seal]

dislaimer, i am more programming oriented than math oriented
math i mostly neglected, but passed
Math related disciplines i do not name

anyway, what we had in programmiing

1. beginning, leetcoding pretty much, we learned to read 10-50 code lines of code what the mean
   learnt to modify this simple code to fit some new things to solve

2. we learned data structures.
   Made linked lists, stacks, queues and programmed calculators with them

2.5) we worked with showing our programs as diagrams

3. we learned object oriented programming basics, structured code through inheritance, that object Shape can be a Cycle and built simple 2D programs of cycles/squares moved through a screen

4. we had funny all around discipline where we could complete any desired chosen tasks:

• learning gui of linux, CLI way with windows and linux, working with filesystem, working with tex, building web sites, building android applications, working with OS interface win api, regex, working with virtualizating tech like Virtual Box/Vmware, performance optimized way to read and write files in C#/C++, including controlling memory and working with graphics

5. we continued learning data structures at university level program. different forms of graphs, red/black, whatever others, searching in width/depth
   we learned in C++ moving from having fixed memory to programming with dynamic memory.
   as final course work it was requested from us writing program with resursive algorithm that traversed dynamic extendable graph in requested way. i think dijkstra's algorithm was used too

6. learning in depth at HEX level what are float and its standard
   making applications breaking limit of float32/64 with implementing our own custom float1000+ with math operations
   at the same time learning to test our program for all weird edge possible edge cases of data
   Working with word/excel/access at scale programatiicaly. Working with hundreds of pages documents in a dry way, macrossing
   programming excel and access.

7. shit hits fun. Numerical analysis / iterative computation of different stuff through programming methods.
   Learning amoung of errors in computations from using different type of data
   learning different formats how to present big matrixes efficiently in code and working with
   calculating interpolations of polynoms
   calculating integrals of different stuff through iterative computations, through rectangles/trapezoids and etc
   calculating different polynoms and some kind of gauss stuff

8. programming our own mini language, transpiler from simple C++ syntax to Assembly. i coded it in C#.

9. shit hits fun again. Using program to calculate higher math
   This time discipline is called Methods of optimizations
   something from stat analysis now, calculating parameters of gamma distribution
   methods of one-dimensional searces: dihotomia, method fibonachi, searching intervals with func minimums,
   methods of searching math func minimums through methods of zero, first and second order. Method guass, newton and 10 other mathemtical stuff that is somehow possible to code.
   the rest continues in same way at this discipline

10. learning history of programming language evolutions, from fortran and further.

10.5) we also learned working with linux, at CLI level and further
10.6) Computer networks

• including we built simple chat app with sockets
  10.7) basics of programming in linux in C

10.8) parallelism in depth at low level

10.9) also we programmed cryptography

10.10) we programmed in assembly too

11. Learning raw SQL, writing complex queries up to 1-2 A4 pages at a single one.
12. programming economics
13. programmed game for android application
14. learning to cooperate with each in programming, we programmer chess game with GUI in C#
15. Theory of games, programming linear and quadratic stuff including transporting problems. Like u get real life problems how to get proffit from buying selling stuff across towns
    programming to win in matrix representable games
    programming how to get maximum proffit from processes happening during factory manufacturing of smth (Linear programming)
16. we also programmed physics, GUI application simulating laser smth stuff
17. programmer computer graphics in opengl, i made rubix cube graphical game, where u can rotate and try to solve
    and then made smth minecraft a bit with voxel graphics, where u can fly through 3d world, build simple stuff, and worked with video graphics drivers to make shaders giving nice sunlight/night and tried also making shadows too

This what i had during 4 years of university

During mster's degree we coded more, including neural networks.
Including basics of System analysis and design some chapters

==================================================+
What we did not have but i wish we had?

• we should have learnt working with git
• we should have learnt how to unit test programs
• we should have learned building and releasing our own libraries in some language for code reusability
• we should have learnt design patterns
• we should have learnt code architecture stuff in general, including what are the bad smells of the code and how to refactor them away
• we should have learnt system analysis and design in depth, including gathering requirements, working with user usage case scenario, planing database design, infrastructure, application development
• we just should have tried building more complex stuff in terms of amount of code. challenging us to build smth out of more than 5 or 10 or 20 thousands of code lines, learning more how to structure things. Like building a complex game.
• we should have learnt working with docker

[blazing harbor]

dawg you learn that in the first DSA course lmao

dude literally they test faulty and correct implementations of the program to make sure your unit tests are intensive

and you learn GIT in the first 2 weeks

[blazing harbor]

i've usually found the most cracked developers have taken some kinda real analysis and decent combinatorics and graph theory

[buoyant seal]

we had all the shades of higher math, including programming it.
I wished though more software development stuff instead of all this math/data science 😅

[upbeat oyster]

I was into robotics and did some video game programming when I was in grade school, decades ago. I have a strong knack for coding, and it gives me a lot of joy--suits my brain well.
I have a bachelors in visual art and a career in sales, but I don't like sales.
Been spending some time lately getting back into programming, learning Python and I'm loving it.
Any recommendations on how to switch my career path to programming? Is it worth doing one of those bootcamps or certifications? My understanding is that you can also self-teach yourself and then make up a sort of portfolio of programs you've written...

Gonna scroll back through this discussion to see what I can glean

[blazing harbor]

avoid bootcamps! https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/14w439o/post_bootcamp_no_job/. You can try to get a masters

[blazing harbor]

I just found that the complicated DP algorithms/other algorithms were literally simpler verions of what I learned in graph theory and combinatorics

[long solar]

apparently boot camps were good a couple years ago when the job market was awesome

[buoyant seal]

Anyway, some extra point: despite all the uni program, i succeeded because i self studied a lot after university and learnt all the stuff that i needed to know but was not present
Uni still helped to learn other foundational stuff / and just coding more and getting used to it
and learning soft skills how to learn

[blazing harbor]

I think what's important in university is you challenge yourself to take the hardest courses

from what people have told me, it's usually in operating systems, computer architecture, etc.

[upbeat oyster]

Thanks for the input! Sure the question comes up a lot

[buoyant seal]

education of adults is different from young ones.
adults are more knowing towards where they are going
university is built on top of students having some capability to realize they need to study on their own. / even choosing stuff they wish to learn
i like that university helped me to learn i can learn on my own, that i guess is most important.
My only regrets that learning actually in controlled way on my own i started only after graduation.
but i guess better be late than never

[blazing harbor]

Hmm did you do research in university?

[buoyant seal]

also fair to say until i got my first coding job after graduation, i never knew i will be able to code for earning
i had a backup plan to be professional translator

[buoyant seal]

clarify meaning of "research".

[blazing harbor]

Like released a non industry paper to a conference

[buoyant seal]

we had only research for final graduating works, bachelor's program, master's program graduations.

for bachelor one, i worked with computer graphics, made my own 3D world with coding videcard shaders and having similar abilities to minecraft
only to add to it "research of balistics", pure the most basics physics balistics u can think, it was added just to pass requirement of "research"
my real work was with computer graphics pretty much, as i am more interested in software development than science
probably everyone could have guess it easily when they watched my balistics happening in minecraft resembling shiny world during presentation

for master's degree ergh... i had to do some real research this time, worked with neural networks to recognize pressence of oil based on finding salt through geo scans.
my research was different ways to improve algorithms and comparing which stuff was better

[blazing harbor]

Hmm do you think I should stay at umich for my masters and do a 2+ 1 or a 3 + 1 or try to apply for Stanford/MIT/CMU masters

[buoyant seal]

it depends on what is your aimed job role and country of origin i guess
if you aim to have job role related to data scientism in anyway, then go ahead for masters for sure, or what are other job roles that need master stuff
if u aim immigrate later to some other country, master's degree could help to immigrate easier.
if u plan to work for government related jobs, then master's degree can be again beneficial, because government employed jobs get bonuses for extra degrees (at least in origin country they do)
if u are just not wishing to leave university, u aren't ready to work. i guess i would recommend not to leave uni too

Otherwise can be a waste of time in my opinion 😅 and working for 2 years more can get more benefits
In my country master's degree is not having anything really strongly different from bachelor's one, so it was mostly waste of time
but it helps if u switch a bit direction for master degree, then it was better. but it was not US

[blazing harbor]

I’m a U.S. citizen lol

[buoyant seal]

well, then i guess cross immigration out of your list if u don't plan doing that. although who knows 😅
other points still stand
U can ask opinion of other people here if master's degree have other benefits. I heard recursive or some other person is very math wise and applies learned this math stuff very good at work
That's actually can be an extra point to make, if u manage to like higher math,, liking to work with it, then extra spend time in university can help developing those skills further for work later

i personally never encountered need for math after graduation (DevOps engineer / backend stuff doing)
the most math stuff i did after graduation, building monitoring dashboards 😅
So i am not the best person to ask about math.
At most i liked applying math for computer graphics (yay to 2-3 dimensional graphics computations)

[fringe sphinx]

What's a 2+1?

[blazing harbor]

If you are really smart you can graduate in 2 years undergrad

[fringe sphinx]

What's the 1 then?

[blazing harbor]

1 year masters cuz umich double counts

[fringe sphinx]

On one hand, 2+1 is super attractive. On the other hand, I don't ascribe much short term benefits to a masters if you're going into industry right away. It's good to get part-time, IMO... but hard to pass up the doublecounting/acceleration.

(I'm speaking specifically to CS)

[buoyant seal]

Our higher math teacher in uni made a joke regarding when math was useful for him in real life.
he dropped some important item behind sofa.
he shaped the found object into integral, and managed to pick up succesfully the lost item with it 😅
I guess i remembered this joke too close to my heart

[blazing harbor]

I’m also thinking should I try to upgrade prestige

[fringe sphinx]

I've never been big on prestige, but I know people have varying opinions on this.

Me, I'd rather prestige be what I've done. Not where I did it, but some people are snobs 🙂

[blazing harbor]

Yeah so if I was to go to Stanford/mit/cmu it would be 100% be more than 1 year of masters

Though the name esp Stanford could open doors ig

More doors than umich? Maybe. Worth another year of education idk

Ig another thing to consider is if I gsi at umich, tuition is covered but idk about the other unis

[fringe sphinx]

That just seems like a lot of effort for marginal return, but again, just my opinion.

[blazing harbor]

I mean for a recruiter you get a lot of apps and it’s hard to find talent without having signals

[fringe sphinx]

at the expense of two years of life?

[blazing harbor]

Ig hiring someone from Harvard carries less risk per say than someone from a random state school

[blazing harbor]

Bobby I had a question for you

[fringe sphinx]

Yup?

[blazing harbor]

If you went back to ug, would you pay $90k/year for cmu scs

[fringe sphinx]

No idea, with no scholarship to offset? $90k is eye watering full-rate.

[blazing harbor]

Mhm but it is the #1 cs program in the world

[fringe sphinx]

It's a great program, and is recognized as such. But #1? I dunno, lots of people claim that title, I think.

[blazing harbor]

Hmm do you think MIT deserves that title

[fringe sphinx]

No idea. There's a few places where the brand name carries a ton of prestige. But not many.

[blazing harbor]

At a grad level, I’d def put Berkeley up there

Uiuc and uw ofc

[fringe sphinx]

As a hiring manager, I rarely see any of those resumes, so it's sort of irrelevant to me. It's certainly true that big tech gobbles grads from those schools up.

I know two accountants who have engineering phd's from MIT. Still never figured that out.

[blazing harbor]

wtf that doesn’t make sense

[blazing harbor]

Have you heard of ramp btw

[fringe sphinx]

One was a SWE, other was a EE

No, RAMP?

[blazing harbor]

The startup yeah it’s supposedly one of the best to work at rn

They pay very well new grad like close to $200k p sure

[fringe sphinx]

These guys? https://ramp.com/

[blazing harbor]

Yep!

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, it's a growth strategy: raise a LOT of money, spend it as if you're big, and hope you break through: https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/fintech-startup-ramp-raises-300m-at-a-28-lower-valuation-of-5-8b/

I rode through one of those startups before... was a fun ride.

[blazing harbor]

Wow yeah

Sounds really cool ig until it crashes and ur left homeless

[fringe sphinx]

There was no downside for me: if it crashes, then you're on the market with hirable skills.

the company I was at did eventually crash, but I think the only people who really had a downside to it were the top execs.

[blazing harbor]

Do you ever wanna be in big tech btw

And just grow that way through leveling up as an engineer and switch companies ever 3-4 years

[fringe sphinx]

I was. It's fine, I don't have anything against it... big tech companies are just collections of small teams.

[blazing harbor]

What do you think about quantitative trading companies that pay like $400k entry but don’t have much growth

[gritty rivet]

Lol wut. Who needs growth at that salary? How many SWE's ever make that much... 5%, maybe?

[blazing harbor]

Less than 5% and it’s a mixture of swe and math

[azure wyvern]

yo anyone know a website for sound effects

dm me pls

[near ocean]

Nobody pays $400k for entry level software devs

Sure some may get up there after some years of experience but they are not the 5%, 0.005% maybe

[fringe sphinx]

I'm between "urban legend" and "rare and unrealistic to achieve unless you're a unicorn"

[smoky cairn]

Highest I’ve heard is 250k for a fresher in fintech

But this if you’re like top candidate at a top firm

(Also AUD but compared to average salary for SE there it’s a shit ton)

[near ocean]

i imagine there's probably some 18yo super genius working for citadel getting paid that much but they are definitely not "entry level"

[harsh river]

not in the tech sector

[smoky quest]

There is also a grand canyon between being a genius and also being a recognized and employed at a very selective place

[blazing harbor]

I mean there are a bunch of quant finance companies that will pay you that entry. My friend is going to Old Mission as a Software Engineering and he's getting close to that TC

search up companies like Citadel, Jane Street Trading, Radix, SIG, Optiver

[blazing harbor]

Ah it is in quant finance

[blazing harbor]

I mean not in like big tech or anything, but you can be a swe

[blazing harbor]

not super genius to be fair, and if ur decent at olympiad level mathematics and really good at OS/LC/computer architecture you have a good shot

[brittle bloom]

Hi yall. 2 yoe as swe but having trouble finding a job after being laid off on Dec. Actually considering taking a help desk role at this point but worried that a demotion from swe to help desk technician looks real bad on a resume. Has anyone done the same?

[deft herald]

Yeah that's tough. All i hear right now is that the market is really rough

I would keep looking for swe if you can afford to do so

[smoky quest]

a help desk position would indeed look like a downgrade and make you less attractive in the future. But if that's a help desk position or you get evicted, I would pick the lesser of two evils.
It may also help to expand a bit on your issue with closing a job and to share an anonymized version of your resume for feedback and as to provide context

[strange nova]

Stock market at all time high and job market is rough somehow

[smoky quest]

so you are saying there needs to be more layoffs so it can go higher. Got it

[strange nova]

We need communism 😂👌

[verbal elk]

where can I go and meet people in progarmming it field?

[smoky quest]

this server is a nice place for that

[verbal elk]

how about in person?

am new to programming and just start school recently

[smoky quest]

that server wouldn't be a nice place for that.

meetup.com could be a place more suited

[wanton trench]

Any web developers here? using flask to make my site and css isnt imported properly

[smoky quest]

Hi and welcome!
This does not appear to be related to this channel. You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vestal solar]

What should I focuss on for landing a job at a robotics startup or boston dynamics like college wise? Python or C++?

[smoky quest]

A degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

You could look at their jobs on their career pages and see what they are asking specifically

[vestal solar]

Well from what ive seen they usually use both but would be best you know im thinking python for readbility but im not too sure

[smoky quest]

any professional engineer can pick up a language in a day. Most engineers will learn both (and more!). So the language is the least of your problems

[vestal solar]

Alright then cool! Do you think like starting a portfiolo of robotic projects will help? Like do most companys actually look at what youve made or coded in the past?

[smoky quest]

Assuming you are going for a degree, most companies will care about your learning from your projects and the demonstrated skills

Also note that in the first few phases, the interviewer will make a decision about you in less than 30-45s. So your description about your project should convince them you know what you are talking about and did some cool stuff, but they won't have time to click on the links, unless they are on the fence about you, which isn't a great sign

[vestal solar]

Alright I mean im about to graduate highschool but ive almsot completed a Robotic hand that works of electromyography soundwaves so hoping that would look good as well as some other projects I have planed

[smoky quest]

Then your main objective ought to be about getting into a great college

[vestal solar]

Thankfully I live super super close to a really good engineering school

I also get a pretty hefty college fund so I might be able to dual major as well im taking college classes in high school were im activity involved with teachers there

[smoky quest]

nice! Sounds like you are on track!

[lament pawn]

Do you think a CS degree is good if am not doing anything complicated just Django and other stuff ?

I will add some stuff i dropped out of school almost 8 years back and those credits are now worthless since the degree had to be completed in a number of years
I still see a lot of companies asking for a degree in their JOB postings.
I see that i can online degrees while working i am trying to look into it.

[weak kindle]

As far as i know the answer would be No. Because having degree with less skills it's not good, chances of getting selected will be low

Rather gain some nice skills set ypu won't need degree

[kindred oyster]

A degree is very valid in the current job market , if you can , you absolutely should get the degree

with that said , just having the degree wont gurantee a job , you will also need to have employable skill sets

a lot of companies have a degree as a requirement to their job postings

so regardless of if you possess the skills or not , you wont be considered
aka , even if you have good skills , you will not be given the chance to show them

with that said , a person without a degree isnt doomed forever , they just have to work significantly harder than degree holders

if you pursue degree, your college also has on campus placements , alumni network , and you get a chance to go out there and make connections with like minded people

[lament pawn]

I was thinking of the problems of HR not giving a look at my resume because i dont have one so i am very reluctant to change jobs and such.
Are online degrees viewed as good ?
I remember someone from online recommending a cs degree from WGU if you already have experience what are the alternatives if i am not from the US.

[weak kindle]

How long those online degree last?

[kindred oyster]

Are online degrees viewed as good ?

i dont know tbh.
you at least get to pass the degree required barrier with an online degree.
but you dont get all these other beneifits of getting an offline degree
i highly recommand going for offline degree if possible

I was thinking of the problems of HR not giving a look at my resume because i dont have one so i am very reluctant to change jobs and such.

if you already have some work experience in related fields, then the degree might not be crucial
at any rate , you will need to learn CS stuff

[lament pawn]

Depends on where you are taking them from varies by uni

[turbid bobcat]

Just checked on Glassdoor, and this company has infinite steps after the online assessment. Someone had to do a 8h take home on top of like 5 interviews.

Interviews are fairly short in duration tho. But I'm not excited for a take home.

[fringe sphinx]

What level position? That’s just terrrible.

[turbid bobcat]

Mid, I don't mind short interviews, but I'll refuse the assignment and ask for a leetcode thing if possible

hr interview is 30min for ex

It seems to vary, there's several reviews with differing schedules, but overall it looks lenghty

[gritty rivet]

From the perspective of passing a basic HR filter, I think generally a degree is a degree if it's accredited. I don't recommend WGU to folks fresh out of HS but if you have substantial experience it's an attractive option.

As far as whatever country you're in, I have no idea

[potent sage]

ive officially lost my touch w coding

im unable to differentiate bw a set and dict?!?

badges = {
    'foodtruck-start-badge': ['FoodTruck Starting Badge', ':foodtruckstartbadge:', 'Congratulations on starting your FoodTruck journey! Good luck :D'],
    'first-dish-badge': ['First Dish Badge', '', 'Hats off on cooking your first badge! Keep going :D']
}``` what does this seem like??

[lament pawn]

I'm not fresh out of HS but I'm working on python and databases for the past 5 years or so.
I'm based in India wgu only accepts US residents

[fringe sphinx]

Wrong channel, use #python-discussion , but see https://python.swaroopch.com/data_structures.html for details

[potent sage]

thanks but im ashamed to say i have 4 years of experience with py.
i guess a year long break doesn't help

[fringe sphinx]

Don't stress it, part of being a developer is forgetting stuff you don't use... but knowing how to find it again

[fringe sphinx]

But I'd suggest skimming that book, or another tutorial, as a refresher

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[potent sage]

of course, i get you, but its just such a funny thing that a dict is being taken as a set haha

[tropic hound]

Hello

I’m new here

I’m hoping to learn a thing or two from this platform hopefully

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is the best place to start, that's for general discussion about Python. We try to keep conversations on topic for the channel. There's some off-topic channels too.

[tropic hound]

Alright, thank you

[delicate gyro]

yes

[last moat]

Share any good resource to learn QA Automation

[near ocean]

Say the magic word?

[frosty plume]

uh

[vapid jay]

hello can someone help me

[kindred oyster]

help with ?

[noble socket]

Hi guys, what is the best freelance website for young Django developers?

[kindred oyster]

popular ones are fiverr, upwork, freelancer

btw this is not the correct channel to ask this

[noble socket]

Where should I?

[kindred oyster]

well you have your answers now
for usual python related talk #python-discussion is the channel

[crisp stream]

They are

[buoyant seal]

They are. i left in this list k8s as the last one in the list, as desert.

https://www.amazon.com/Kubernetes-Book-Version-November-2018-ebook/dp/B072TS9ZQZ
yearly updated for many years. from the author of Docker Deep Dive.

[silver escarp]

Im struggling on finding companies who will hire a self taught programmer like myself. I mainly specialize in Automation and Web development frameworks. Any ideas on where I should look or who I should talk to. I am based in the UK

[gritty rivet]

I hope you may find a lot of the advice here to be relevant: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/advice-for-junior-software-engineers/

[silver escarp]

Thank you

[smoky quest]

It's not about finding someone wanting to hire a self taught engineer. It's more about:

• which jobs you apply to and if they are complex enough to require an education
• how you fare comparing to your competitions and other applicants

You also need to look at it like a sales funnel. That enables you reflect on where you have issues. And in that sense, where do you have issues? Getting called back for interviews? The interviews themselves? Other?

[silver escarp]

Oh I see

[crisp jewel]

Thank you for sharing this it is very useful.

[crisp jewel]

I would focus on getting connections in the industry as it would tremendously improve chances of getting into something. The only reason I already have internship experience as a freshmen is due to connections from competitions I've done. I've also received multiple recommendations from people in industry just from starting projects that they end up using. So in my experience these are a couple things that might also work for you

It will take a lot of applications as well I have to send around 300 applications for every response.

[silver escarp]

oh right okay! I never thought about competitions and stuff to be honest, thank you

[robust inlet]

i'm coming out as trans

[smoky quest]

congrats!
How does this relate to #career-advice ?

[lament lotus]

print("idc")

[robust inlet]

More job opportunities

[smoky quest]

not really

[kindred oyster]

if you made it as your identity , you might even get pushed back in the line lol

[mint oracle]

||DIversity Hiring||

[smoky quest]

Alright, this is getting into shitposting and trolling territory.
Am gonna call the mods if it gets further 🙂

[smoky quest]

fyi, am happy to have serious conversations about it in the context of careers. But from the past few replies here, it doesn't appear we are setup for success

[mint oracle]

Okay Man! I understand!

[orchid tapir]

hio

[smoky quest]

Hi!
This is the wrong place to ask. You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help

[carmine trench]

sorry, i will remove it

[hybrid sage]

oh look another person trying to get into IT cause theyve heard its well paid and you can just type on the keyboard

[fringe sphinx]

That’s neither friendly or helpful. We don’t need to be gatekeepers.

[hybrid sage]

have you seen entry job levels? this guy is wasting his time

[fringe sphinx]

There’s constructive vs insulting ways of making that point.

To the actual question: There are paths to switching careers, and someone with visual arts and sales backgrounds build on their experience rather than starting from scratch.

[true harness]

why does it matter how someone gets into programming

[hybrid sage]

LMAO

[hybrid sage]

he literally said his main motive for programming is a career switch, so money

and im letting him know the reality, so he wont be dissapointed

[true harness]

why do you think it's all about money?

[kindred oyster]

people with very little to no experience have gotten into tech
its about if you are willing to put in the work

[hybrid sage]

did you read what he said

[kindred oyster]

also , money is a fine motivator
i dont get why its wrong ?

[hybrid sage]

lets talk how january had the most layoffs

[true harness]

they said they like programming and they don't like their current job

[kindred oyster]

ok ??

people are still getting hired

sure , its gonna be harder , but i dont see a point in telling them rudely "dont do it" ?

[hybrid sage]

if he likes what hes doing, let the man do, but career wise the market looks so stupid and im afraid it wont change thanks to how overhyped it is

[kindred oyster]

you are making lots of assumptions here

you dont have to work in a top level corporate job as your starting job

there are tons of local companies which required devs

[hybrid sage]

startups are risky

[kindred oyster]

also they might be in a small niche market where there is deficit of devs

like , you are making lots of assumptions here

if you wanna actually help , ask questions , get to know their situation

instead of rudely saying "another person who wants more money is switching"

[hybrid sage]

you win here

@kindred oyster 🤦‍♂️ yourself buddy lmao

[kindred oyster]

??? I reacted with 🤦‍♂️ because you are considering this as a battle where one wins and other loses
so you are misunderstanding the whole conversation here , this isnt a war for someone to win , its about not being rude

[hybrid sage]

my brother in christ you reacted outta nowhere, i gave u a thumbs up in a what seems to be some heads up, jesus. leave me alone?

[kindred oyster]

you reacted outta nowhere,
i reacted when i saw your message , i was not at my PC , hence not active , i had closed discord after typing that message
i gave u a thumbs up
looked like you were giving a verdict on a battle
leave me alone
how about you leave me alone ? i just reacted to the message , why are you continuing this ?

[low basalt]

Hey saul!

You're looking new career?

[fringe sphinx]

Startups are risky for the investors. For employees? Startups are great experiences where you can do more, build out a killer resume (if it fails), do exciting work, etc

Me, I worked for a startups just before the market crashed, and it really helped my career: I had relevant / marketable skills in new tech. Vs other people who had stale skills working in ‘old tech’ (not saying big tech, just that there’s many stale / old tech jobs out there)

[unreal ocean]

I'm also joining a startup as junior SE in a week or so, while finishing the final year of my bachelor's
before this I did an internship/part-time consultancy for the same company last year
I can tell I got better at more practical aspects than most of my peers who did course based internships/training
hopefully this will continue to help me later

while who doesn't want a job at a big company... I found starting small is more suited to my workload and ambitions

[vapid jay]

Would you guys say a career in IT or programming or what ever is a good career or?

[near ocean]

yes

[vapid jay]

Which is the better career? Within the computing industry?

[near ocean]

better how?

[gritty rivet]

Based on what criteria? This will generally depend on the work you want to do and nothing else

[near ocean]

generally, tech jobs are always a good choice
if you want specifics you have to elaborate

[vapid jay]

Idk well my college course they’ve put me on is a T Level Transition Computing Programme aim.

[near ocean]

no idea what that means

[prisma crow]

hello I have a question about cyber security

[vapid jay]

Idk neither that’s just what they put me on

[gritty rivet]

If it's a career question that's fine, otherwise #cybersecurity

[gritty rivet]

It's your future. Better decide what you want

[vapid jay]

No I want a career in this industry and I just don’t know specifics and what you can achieve

I have my GCSEs this year so.

[near ocean]

look at what this t level thing is in more detail, ask your careers counsellor if youre still in school

[prisma crow]

I’m currently going for a computer science degree but I want to move away from coding, I like the security part of it more

[gritty rivet]

You can have a look at the job market and salary data for your country but in general both careers are very viable if you're interested in doing the work

[vapid jay]

Apparently a T level is the equivalent of three A levels, and involves work experience.

[near ocean]

ok, that sounds like a great program, why are you having doubts

[gritty rivet]

We don't know anything about your degree program and what options they give you. There are dedicated cybersecurirty degrees if you're very certain you want to focus on that

[vapid jay]

I’m just unsure what careers it could lead to. Our Schools Career officer is only in once a week.

[prisma crow]

But I want to do both

[near ocean]

your a levels dont decide what career path you go down, just how good of a university you get into

[prisma crow]

I just want a career that involves more security than just coding

[vapid jay]

So apprenticeships aren’t a great choice then?

[near ocean]

apprenticeships are different

[vapid jay]

Cannot you achieve a degree through it?

[prisma crow]

🧍 no one knows the answer

[near ocean]

yes, but you asked about a levels vs this t level thing

i didnt do an apprenticeship and as i understand theyre incredibly competitive

[vapid jay]

Fair I was just trying to see what the careers could be.

Thank you for the help though.

[near ocean]

about the same as the normal path to a CS degree, tho it takes longer

i dont know why one would be limited
they both lead to a degree
one has practical experience, you get paid the entire time you're an apprentice
its easier to get into university, its shorter to get a degree out of uni

[prisma crow]

Does anyone know the answer to my question 🧍

[vapid jay]

Hm sounds interesting to be honest.

[near ocean]

you were told about cybersec bachelors

[true harness]

cybersec degrees are very hit or miss though allegedly. a cs degree will be generally better i think

[weak kindle]

Are you in cs?

[true harness]

allegedly

[hearty island]

cybersec at my school isn't great, then again my school isn't fantastic so

[near ocean]

I dont think any of these concentrations make good standalone degrees tbh
Not cybersec, not data science, not any other

[hearty island]

i agree, not business analytics either 😭

[prisma crow]

What about a minor in cybersecurity along with some certifications?

[hearty island]

without a cs degree? with a cs degree, that's good.

[prisma crow]

WITH

[hearty island]

i would say that sounds good

[prisma crow]

Lmao if only the college would offer it as a minor ughhhhh

They offer computer engineering as a minor

[gritty rivet]

You don't need to minor in security to specialize in security. If you can transfer maybe you should but if not there's plenty you can do (projects, certifications, etc.). Learning to program from you classes will not be a waste

[prisma crow]

What type of certification for cybersecurity?

[hearty island]

indeed is so fucking annoying. why does it keep spamming me with "hi, our company thinks you should apply?" is there a way to shut that off?

[true harness]

notifications, email settings

[hearty island]

thanks pub

[silver jacinth]

100 applications, 1 full time contract that I can't accept. 2 interviews where they said their company is now laying people off and cant hire. My cs degree is going to be useless, I need an internship for 7+ weeks. Yet I cannot get one matching the criteria. I have no problem applying to retail and managerial positions, only tech. I have experience too. This is fucked

[gritty rivet]

It's not my field and there's a lot. CompTIA has CySA+ and Pentest+ among others. Look at job listings to know what's in demand in your part of the world

[hybrid sage]

Welcome to computer science. ; )

[true harness]

think about what stage of the pipeline you're being filtered out. before interviews? after interviews?

[silver jacinth]

It wasn't like this when I started

[silver jacinth]

I hear back from them with the default "we moved onto another candidate... we are in growth mode..."

These are for full time roles since the internship ones are oversaturated and I see 100+ applications

Sometimes they email me directly with the recruiter

[true harness]

why apply for full time if you're not looking for full time . if you're not being called for interviews, then you need to improve your resume somehow

[silver jacinth]

Full time starting April 22nd to June 7th

I mention it in the cover letter

[true harness]

that's probably part of it. companies don't want to hire a junior dev that's going to leave in a few months, when it takes a few months to ramp someone up in the first place. internships are designed to be short, so you'll have better luck there. unless i'm misunderstanding what you mean by "full time"

[silver jacinth]

The contract had 15 days of setup

[hybrid sage]

I never thought to live here to hear that computer science is now a useless degree lmao

[silver jacinth]

So you're probably right there. Companies want long-term people

[true harness]

i thought you were looking for an internship anyway?

[silver jacinth]

Yes within that timeframe

[true harness]

it's not useless, but it's also not the only thing you need

[true harness]

alright, i was just confused then. you could try sending your resume here to get reviewed

[silver jacinth]

Can't send a PDF here keeps getting deleted

[true harness]

use screenshot

[silver jacinth]

Information not redacted is already public, so I don't care

I used to review CVs and such at the keyholder position/assistant manager. I preferred smaller cvs and I am willing to bet recruiters look for less information as well

[hybrid sage]

remove interests

[silver jacinth]

Thats just for me to seem human

[near ocean]

are you not?

[silver jacinth]

Maybe

[hybrid sage]

bro youre crying youve applied to 100 jobs. remove it or no food for u next month

[true harness]

can you at least try to be somewhat constructive

[silver jacinth]

I got enough moneys

[near ocean]

your formatting is weird

[true harness]

there's just so little detail anywhere. your resume should describe your accomplishments, not simply what you do on a day to day basis. "Paperwork" is just not interesting whatsoever and is not going to make someone want to call you, so why add it? what cool things did you do at your job? that's what should be on there.

also, it's not code golf. add detail

[near ocean]

and your wording for work experience is super minimal, why are you golfing your experience my guy

[hybrid sage]

my question is do recruiters even look at your resumes? cause i think majority just hire based on referrals

[silver jacinth]

That's why I leave it there, they talk about it in the interview. They're curious

[silver jacinth]

Yes like 40% of rejections have the recruiter email my email on the cv

Removed some other information: Thank you for taking the time to apply for the Co-Op/Intern Developer, DevOps position at Kinaxis. We appreciate that you included Kinaxis in your job search. Although we have decided not to move forward with your application at this time, we are in growth mode and frequently post new roles.

We encourage you to keep an eye on our career site and stay connected with us on LinkedIn to be the first to learn about new opportunities. If you want to stay up to date for future work terms, join our Student Talent Community!

[near ocean]

bro fix up your experience
fix up your formatting too, its really weird, why are your languages in the middle of the page

and what does Written and Spoken mean, its redundant, why would you list a language you cant speak and write

[true harness]

that is an interesting strategy. a resume is an advertisement for your skills. no one buys a product to try it out if they don't know what it can do

[silver jacinth]

Man's never lived in Quebec

[near ocean]

im bilingual

why would i tell other people i can speak or write a language but not both

[silver jacinth]

You always ask if someone is fluent in French and english

[hybrid sage]

lmao this is the result when many people apply into CS

[near ocean]

you dont mention to what level of fluency you are at each language

[hybrid sage]

layoffs go brrrr

[silver jacinth]

My guy I was a keyholder at a French store they would know

[near ocean]

are you just gonna ignore advice like that? why are you even here

if youre going to have a languages section then mention how fluent you are in each language

[silver jacinth]

To get advice on why no one is hiring + what I should do. Applying abroad or what

[near ocean]

companies are hiring
theyre just not hiring people who just say they do "paperwork" on their CV

[silver jacinth]

Cash loss and prevention then?

[near ocean]

surely you can add more details to your experience

[snow patrol]

Why do you think that no companies are hiring?

[silver jacinth]

Because I'm not getting hired

[snow patrol]

I get dms almost every day. Developers are in high demand.

[silver jacinth]

I apply to finance roles and I hear back all the time, in tech I don't

[true harness]

include the relevant details. if you're applying to tech positions, why is "paperwork" relevant? then do this for all the bullets. "why does the person reading my resume actually care about this bullet?"

[snow patrol]

You must be doing something wrong then

[hybrid sage]

have you thought that theres over 100 applicants for where hes applying?

[silver jacinth]

That's also true

[hybrid sage]

again. market = saturated. repeat it with me

[silver jacinth]

I'm also rarely ghosted in applications. I hear back usually for the majority

[true harness]

100 is honestly...not a lot. some recruiters that i know received over 3000

[snow patrol]

Many companies do not get many applicants

[near ocean]

there's always 100 applicants... that doesnt mean you shouldnt even try on your CV

[hearty island]

also linkedin messes with the number of applicants

[hybrid sage]

key word "over". you dont know the number, its not like 150, it may be 500

[near ocean]

are you employed? where are your opinions coming from

[snow patrol]

What kind of companies are you applying to?

[hybrid sage]

yes, my company is doing a hiring freeze aswell for 2024

[silver jacinth]

Are all you guys employed

[snow patrol]

Many companies would DREAM of 100 applicants

[near ocean]

yes

[true harness]

i am. i work as a software engineer intern

[hearty island]

i am too... just not in the swe field 😔, which is fine cuz my degree isn't CS

[hybrid sage]

bruv, imagine your competition. youre not the company

[snow patrol]

hmm?

[silver jacinth]

Every listing in mtl has 100+

[true harness]

ok, it's 500. that's still not a lot in the grand scheme of things. and regardless, you need a job, there's no point in caring about the number of applicants

[snow patrol]

What is mtl ?

[hybrid sage]

data science has ALOOTTAA peeps

[silver jacinth]

Montréal

[hearty island]

it doesn't matter how many applicants there are, i agree w psvm

[snow patrol]

Okay

[hearty island]

again linkedin likes to fluff up the number of applicants

[snow patrol]

Would be good to know how many of the applicants come into question

[silver jacinth]

I just know when I was reviewing CVS I threw out the ones with a lot of words

But that was retail

[near ocean]

my guy, judging by your own cv you probably shouldnt have been reviewing CVs

[snow patrol]

sounds valid

[hearty island]

"a lot of words"?

[near ocean]

he hates yappers

[true harness]

there is a very large gap between "too little" and "too many". your resume is definitely on the "too little" side

[snow patrol]

more than 1 page is usually bad (well, in germany)

[hearty island]

this is the resume we're talking about, right? just checking

[silver jacinth]

Yes

[hearty island]

yeah it is mad short

it needs some quantifying

[hybrid sage]

wouldnt it made sense if you shared a link to one of your projects instead of displaying it with just words tho...?

[true harness]

you are right that you should cut out unnecessary fluff. but you've cut out too much. there's nothing left over that actually says what you do and why they should hire you

[silver jacinth]

Portfolio go to it

Only link there which explains projects in detail and has links. All starred repos get hooked up using the api

[true harness]

a combination is good

[graceful mason]

that's not true, he did paperwork 🤔

[hearty island]

i was about to say, how much paperwork? for what departments? etc

[silver jacinth]

Loss prevention and sales + cash flow

[true harness]

say that then

[hearty island]

^

[silver jacinth]

It's paperwork at a retail store

[hearty island]

that doesn't matter, it's something

[true harness]

if it's not relevant, then it probably shouldn't be a bullet

[silver jacinth]

It shows I can handle company $ and be trusted with their finances

[true harness]

that's pretty reasonable. but "Paperwork" doesn't say that

[hearty island]

if i was the hiring manager and you gave me a resume that said that, i would think it's maybe HR related

i'm not sure if you need an "interests" section, but that's just me

[near ocean]

say that then

[silver jacinth]

I don't think that's the issue though

I think it's just over qualified people applying for these roles.

[near ocean]

You dont know that because you dont exactly lay out your qualifications for people to see

[true harness]

aren't internships usually only for students though? how overqualified can you even get as a student

[smoky quest]

Hi!
It looks like you are asking in the wrong place. You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

oops

[smoky quest]

Sharing a link is a bonus, but it should not be expected to be clicked on, at least on the first few stages.
Furthermore, the code produced might not necessarily be yours, especially if written during employment

As a rule of thumb, you should expect the recruiter to make a decision in less than 30-45s for the first pass. And as such, they won't have a reason to click on the link, unless there is something specific and have the time for it.

So all of this to say that the descriptions are quite important.

[vapid jay]

guys i study in harvard

[hearty island]

congratulations, harvard is a great school

[pine sleet]

Do you have a question related to the topic of this channel you'd like to discuss?

[vapid jay]

The Impact of Remote Work on Productivity and Work-Life Balance

[vapid jay]

i think that allowing employees to work remotely provides them with more flexibility and autonomy over their schedules, leading to improved work-life balance and overall job satisfaction. However, it's worth noting that challenges such as blurred boundaries between work and personal life and social isolation can have a negative impact on work-life balance.

[fringe sphinx]

That feels very GPTish.

[vapid jay]

nah

I use Grammarly it makes my texts better

[winged saffron]

Hey Y'all! I recently had a job application that wanted me to complete a project. As soon as they got my project I was rejected within 12 hours. Can someone take a look at it and give me some feedback? I'm relatively new to python but think I did an alright enough job with it.

[buoyant seal]

Could u provide all requirements they gave to the task (description of the task in details)
And job description/duties of the position

[winged saffron]

A summary of the Task Description is:

Data Description
You’ll be working with data from two tables: visits.csv and subscriptions.csv. The
recruiter should have supplied both files along with this document.

The visits data set records each account’s first visit to our website. This means that
the data set contains only one visit per account. For the purpose of this assignment, you
can treat “visits” and “visitors” as the same thing. This data source includes the
following fields:
● visit_id: Unique identifier for the visit
● account_id: Unique identifier for the account created by this visit; note: an
account is only created when a visitor starts a subscription or a trial
● day: Date on which the visit occurred
● region: Geographic region associated with the visit
● language: Browser language associated with the visit
● channel: Marketing channel responsible for generating the visit
● landing_page: Landing page visited; potential values include the capital letters A
through J

The subscriptions data set contains an entry for the first subscription (if any)
generated from each site visit. It contains the following fields:
● subscription_id: Unique identifier for this subscription
● account_id: Same as the account_id in the visits table, except this table should
contain an account_id in every row
● subscription_start_date: Start date for the subscription, if applicable
● subscription_end_date: End date for the subscription, if applicable
● trial_start_date: Start date for the trial, if applicable
● trial_end_date: End date for the trial, if applicable
● revenue: Revenue resulting from the subscription in USD; note: Trials do not
generate revenue, so this row is populated for subscriptions only.

[winged saffron]

Questions

1. How much revenue did each region generate within the time frame covered by
   the data sets?
2. Which channel had the highest revenue per visit? What was its revenue per visit?
3. Which landing page had the highest overall conversion rate (% of visitors that go
   on to become paying subscribers)? What was its conversion rate?
4. Did any regions have a different top converting landing page (as compared to the
   previous answer)? If so, please list them along with their top landing page and its
   conversion rate.
5. Which region had the highest direct subscription rate (% of visitors that start a
   subscription directly without doing a trial)? What was its direct subscription rate?
6. Which region had the highest trial start rate (% of visitors that start a trial,
   regardless of whether those users ultimately cancel or become paying
   subscribers)? What was its trial start rate?
7. Which region had the highest trial conversion rate (% of trials that start a
   subscription)? What was its trial conversion rate?
8. Suppose that the company has a goal to increase revenue from the US/Canada
   region by 20% over the next year. Provide at least 4 potential strategies we could
   employ to help us reach our goal (no supporting data analysis required—just
   ideas).

[winged saffron]

The Job Description is a basic data analyst:
Responsibilities

Work with senior leaders and other stakeholders within various departments
Identify and understand problems and opportunities
Construct and present data-driven recommendations
Implement new initiatives that help grow the business
Create and maintain SQL data models that encode business domain logic for analysis and dashboarding
Other duties as assigned

Requirements

Completed Bachelor's and/or Master’s degree, ideally in a technical or quantitative field
Proficient with SQL/Python
Basic understanding of statistics and hypothesis testing
Great communication skills, both written and verbal
Able to think strategically and tackle open-ended problems
Detail-oriented, organized, and a good team player

[buoyant seal]

i guess too far out of my domain to help here. I can only evaluate internal code beauty here reliably, but even in this case i have some doubts if my dev standards are applied to data scientists.
i'll leave it to help to other data scientists here with newly discovered data.

[gritty rivet]

Depending on what they said in their rejection and other context, it's more likely than not that they never even opened what you sent them and that the rejection has nothing to do with your work but just their sloppy process and large number of applicants

[smoky quest]

question 3, the visitors computation is suspicious since I would expect visitors who weren't converted to not have any subscription?

also the variable names isn't great

But given that you were rejected 12h from submission, I would assume they were looking for something that they did not find here. Be it something missing or a mistake or other

[winged saffron]

Yeah, that does seem suspicious, but each visitor gets a unique subscription id since an account id seems to be created when either a trial or subscription is started. So it's accurate to use in this case, but maybe not the best in reality.

Thanks for the feedback about the variable names.

[smoky quest]

also using start date is suspicious

[winged saffron]

What makes that suspicious to you?

[smoky quest]

ah so that each visit gets its own subscription id

[smoky quest]

using the count of start dates.
Something like the account ID of paid subscriptions (or whatever equivalent) would be more appropriate as you are looking at the number of visits converted into a paying account

[winged saffron]

ahhh, good point. Thanks!

[smoky quest]

Also, not necessarily an issue here, but something to be mindful about is the tight coupling. It's not because a field happens to work out that you should use it. That's how you end up with tight coupling and weird errors with unrelated queries failing because someone relied on specific properties that happened to be true at the time but have changed since then.
Correctness is pretty important in data analysis since one may make business decisions based on the results. As such, you don't want people to question if the data or queries are correct

[rigid robin]

If I would like to be a data analyst, where are some good places where i can learn the skills of one?

[smoky quest]

A CS degree will be the best place to learn and path of least resistance, and with the most opportunities and compensation

[smoky quest]

Not sure to follow. Can you expand?

I would put more effort in the motivation letter.
You will have a hard time being routed to the right person

Try to think about it from the other side:

• Hiring is an activity done on top of everything else. At the end of the day, you are accountable for the execution of the team, and hiring is important but not above that
• You have a queue of thousands of applicants for that role
• You are chomping at it every few days, reviewing a batch at a time

If someone somehow reaches out to you and ask you to prioritize their resume, what would you think?
That could go either way. They may oblige, but they may also think you are too annoying/desperate and just insta reject you. They don't know you after all and they even haven't seen your resume

So it's a delicate thing that would require you to bring something interesting to the table to make it worth the annoyance

yeah, what's your hook once you got their attention?

what do you mean by starting today?
What's your situation/context/background?

[hearty island]

huh

ok, do you have a college degree in CS?

[smoky quest]

that's not what self taught means.
Self taught is used in the context of people who do not have a college degree in CS

Sure, but that will confuse people

[hearty island]

just curious, you're graduating in may? do you have any internships?

projects?

ah, tough spot

ok, what are some of them? which ones do you show on your resume?

[smoky quest]

feel free to share an anonymized version of your resume

[hearty island]

ok, are you mainly going for web dev roles?

i think maybe some resume feedback might help

[true harness]

you didn't learn anything in college ?

[hearty island]

you're not using like... canva for your resume or multi column stuff, right? or tables?

ok. yeah i was just wondering bc i've seen a lot of ppl on r/resumes complain that they aren't landing jobs but they use like wild resumes

nah dude, don't pay lol. i wouldn't.

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs this is a default resume i've seen a lot of people use.

[smoky quest]

get the foundations first before trying to hustle with calling up people directly

in getting a job

[visual radish]

is python a compiled or interpreted language?

[smoky quest]

I think you need to get your resume in order first

get it reviewed

[outer granite]

How exactly do I get a job as an entry-level applicant in front-end or back-end development?

[smoky quest]

no worries

[smoky quest]

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[outer granite]

A CS associates or bachelor's degree?

[smoky quest]

bachelor or masters

[outer granite]

Is it possible to get a job as an entry-level applicant in front-end or back-end development without a CS degree?

[smoky quest]

then it means you are taking a more difficult path with less opportunities, more work and lower pay

If everyone could get the same result without going to school full time for 3-5 years, then no one would do that

[outer granite]

How exactly do I get a job as an entry-level applicant without a CS degree?

[smoky quest]

you get a resume and you apply to jobs

[hearty island]

without a cs degree you're in a bit of a pickle

[fringe sphinx]

My advice- #career-advice message

[smoky quest]

projects are great ways to demonstrate skills

[vapid jay]

Recognize is going to be challenging and you're not afraid to take it. I believe i'm in the same road but In data analysis path. I'm willing to take it

Also hi everybody! ^ o ^

[blazing harbor]

just enroll in a community college and work to build projects along side that

then try to transfer to a 4 year degree. If you have a degree (just not in CS), you can apply for a masters program

you need both.

I mean I think it sucks but if there are so many candidates, why not take someone with both

[true harness]

what do you mean "designed"?

[smoky quest]

Sure but:

• you will often hear "you are good but not good enough to get a degree"
• The educated folks also have great projects
• There are still some doors that will be more difficult to reach

The degree is the normal path. People don't just opt out of degrees on purpose

[blazing harbor]

I still think traditional education is needed for like most people 🤔

unless ur winning like facebook hacker cup or sm

idk the system is easy and accessible for all people; it's a sequential process that is pretty good

[true harness]

who is "they"?

apart from that, a degree absolutely does not guarantee a job. several users that were here before are proof of that

[smoky quest]

that's kind of normal to have people going to school to learn about a high tech field. This ain't a trade job like plumber

[true harness]

it's (almost) necessary, but not sufficient

[smoky quest]

bootcamps have certainly displaced the easy low end jobs like all the UI wiring and stuff. But that's very different from implementing an audio codec or building robots that can work autonomously in factories

[blazing harbor]

unless ur that guy

[true harness]

yeah, but if you have to ask, you're not him

[smoky quest]

and if you are that guy, think about how much better you would be with a strong CS education on top!

[blazing harbor]

mhm and it would be at like MIT

[smoky quest]

or cmu

[blazing harbor]

yeah lol I'm at uni 😭 (and it's not MIT)

[summer roost]

You don't just get to hand your degree to a man and have him hand you a job. You get a job by convincing the hiring manager that you're the most qualified applicant

[true harness]

first part is employee withholdings 💀 💀 💀

[eternal mist]

What would you guys say is in demand right now:

• cloud computing
• machine learning/AI
• cyber security

I was just accepted to university for computer science so I want to start strong and maybe in my first year choose a specialization that’s high in demand and try my best to get a few internships but I want you hear from you guys

[pine sleet]

you generally don't specialize in your first year of uni - at least in the U.S, you'll most likely be getting your geneds out of the way

[summer roost]

specialization would normally start in the 3rd year of a 4 year degree

[smoky quest]

they are all great areas to work in. They will all be in demand for the foreseeable future.
I would also suggest to explore and see how you like them as it is also quite important to enjoy your work

[indigo shuttle]

Are internships a thing for freshmen and sophomores?

[true harness]

yes

[pastel flume]

I’d like to recommend a book, Fluent Python by Luciano Ramalho. Why I recommend it in the career group is because I’ve been gutted on multiple python interviews. The book’s preface starts with something to the effect of “An experienced programmer can quickly become productive without becoming fluent”. After many years and many thousands of lines of C-accented code, this is the book I needed.

[vapid jay]

Hey everyone! im kind of new to python and i wanted to know if anyone could help me on a problem im stuck on 😦

[weak kindle]

#python-discussion ask there

[ivory compass]

What is a good data engineering + devops project that is highly complex? I want to challenge myself.

[red kraken]

How's going on? Do anybody know how do i create 8 emulators on desktop using python or another language if you seriously know this so DM me it's urgent.

[kindred oyster]

this really isnt the channel to ask about that , try #python-discussion and provide as much detail as possible

[grave pelican]

Should I search a highscholl about programming or will AI takeover?

[fringe sphinx]

AI is not taking over

[grave pelican]

okay ty

[true harness]

what sort of questions did it help you with? just curious

[turbid bobcat]

Having lunch, coffee then I'm gonna jump in on the OA. Hopefully it will be as easy as the last one

[turbid bobcat]

I believe it went super well. Completed everything about 20 min early, every one of my test cases passed, it says here their test cases completed but it doesn't seem to say if they completed with success or not

As I was doing this one I got an invite for an interview. I'm starting to gain traction it seems : D

[turbid bobcat]

Ok not knowing the score right away is not cool >.>

[hearty island]

nice!!

[regal axle]

The best way to cheese your online assesment (with python) is to just use numpy. You don't need to make a perfect solution and you still end up crushing the constraints (time). That is what I did back when I got my Amazon internship. The problem wanted me to do things that are just solved in numpy so ... import numpy and the assignment is complete

[hybrid sage]

do whatever you want oh my lord

IMO try all them 3, hands on experience is the best

but that's gonna take a loooooooooooooooooooong time

[turbid bobcat]

I can't believe I did not remember that one

It would've just saved me like 2 min though, I kept messing up a median calculation ._., but it was part of the problem it wasn't the whole thing

One was an actual leetcode problem, the one about stock prices

I mean they were all easy, what kills you is the time constraint and anxiety

[grave pelican]

Yo, I am a "normal guy" with friends and all of that stuff. I'm a little into programming and ai and I am thinking of going to a programming highschool. I got two questions though, first of all, is it worth learning and educating in programming (idk what lang) or will ai takeover?? Second of all, do you think its better to go on a more normal school with not as much programming but normal people or a more programming school with only those "weirdos"?
(i got zero to little knowledge in programming but none is needed for neither)

[buoyant seal]

#career-advice message

[fringe sphinx]

What's a "programming high school"?

what country?

[grave pelican]

for example they have like 3 weeks no school work only graphics work together with coders and yeah, a school but alot of programming

[fringe sphinx]

That sounds cool.

[grave pelican]

oh yeah i forgot i did it in this serv

[fringe sphinx]

Why wouldn't you?

Like, if your choice is: Graduate high school w/ regular classes. Or, graduate high school w/ regular classes + programming. What's the downside?

[grave pelican]

think so aswell, only thing being its pretty low requirements (i think its bcuz its just nerds who is good at their stuff) and alot of unusuall people imo

[fringe sphinx]

What country?

[grave pelican]

sweden

[fringe sphinx]

I think you'll find everyone is unusual, regardless of what they do.

[grave pelican]

but you know how in a typical school there are the popular ones, the normals and the weirdos. this school is full of weirdos (imo), dont know why it would matter but feels like it would turn me to one of them u get me

[fringe sphinx]

This feels more like a TV trope forced upon people. Sure, there's a range of people, but real world isn't high school musical.

Altho I went to HS decades ago.

[grave pelican]

Do you think my job opportunities will be affected by ai? Should I go to a school that won't be affected??

[fringe sphinx]

No, I don't think it'll affect your job opportunities.

But if you're just talking about high schools, your job opportunities are 8+ years away. I wouldn't over-think it right now. Do what you enjoy.

[turbid bobcat]

I passed the OA, got the interview

[grave pelican]

okay ty

[deft herald]

@grave pelicanThis is a little off topic for the channel, but since it was discussed already i think it's still somewhat related. I also went to high school (2) decades ago, but i remember I spent way too much energy worrying about what group of people i was associated with. It wasn't till my 4th year where i realized that I actually enjoyed hanging out with the kids I usually avoided and that there's no reason everyone can't actually be friends.

Now that i'm older I understand that people the typical unpopular or "weirdo" groups are forced to develop personalities and real character because they don't necessarily have their natural looks/parents' money/athleticism/whatever to fall back on like the typical popular kids do. I would be proud to be associated with the "weirdos", or better yet, even be known as the guy who can actually make friends with anyone regardless of what social clique they belong to.

/rant

Besides, if it's the nerds who go on to earn a degree in engineering/computer science/whatever and the popular kids who get degrees in some nonesense, who do you think will be working for whom in then end?

[turbid bobcat]

I hated highschool so much. College was also bad when classes were mandatory. My brain doesn't fit in a boring class, it fits in a project setting doing cool stuff.

I think education should really change to adapt to each person's learning style.

[grave pelican]

Thanks you! You all giving me new perspectives 🙂

[weary plover]

where do i post memes

can i not post funnies

[fringe sphinx]

!topic

[inner wren]

Off-topic channels

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• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
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See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[weary plover]

thank you kind sir

[pliant leaf]

So I hope since this is a career discussion, that maybe some of you fine people wouldn't mind talking about ways you started in programming and how you got your first job in it? I am trying to move out of what I'm doing now and into something more tech base. I would be interested to hear about ways it can happen.

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe tell us a little more about what you're doing now?

[pliant leaf]

im a chemical operator it really was a job out of necessity not any real interest. I have always liked messing with computers but have not spent much time working with the programming aspect of it until a few months ago.

[deft herald]

Talked about this a few days ago

#career-advice message

[pliant leaf]

that is cool working for Qualcomm was that around the time 5G was just starting to be everywhere or was that earlier. Honestly can not remember.

[deft herald]

Yeah I started like a year before the first modem was released. Still working on 5G

[pliant leaf]

that is cool, what drew you to working with 5G. To me working with something so widely used would be exciting.

[deft herald]

What drew me? The open job position 😄 I had actually had a bit of communications knowledge too from college, but not much. Idk maybe that helped

It is pretty cool though to see a phone someone is using and say "I worked on that"

[pliant leaf]

I get it some times a job is a job. That is why I am trying to get away from my job, primarily to change my working hours away from swing shift work.

[gritty rivet]

I moved into tech in general (as a job) by getting my CompTIA A+ cert and applying for basic desktop support rules. Way easier to break into without a relevant degree then programming is, but also pays less

That experience was helpful but the key step for me to actually get hired for programming was doing the Nucamp Backend bootcamp. It's worth checking out their curriculum, but not necessarily worth paying for a bootcamp if you have the discipline to build good projects on your own

[deft herald]

Hey a boot camp success story. What was the bc focused on? Data science or something else?

[pliant leaf]

so what you are saying is cert and projects are a good place to start

[heavy pivot]

ai is not taking over but didnt programing jobs got like 10x bigger requriments?
i heard that 5 years ago medium lvl developer is equall to junior lvl developer rn in terms of job and stuff

[deft herald]

By what measurements?

[heavy pivot]

i have no clue what i am talking about
just seen yt video talking about it
but i assume its by job requirements

[deft herald]

Who knows. I've been working at the same company for over 5 years now and I can tell you the requirements for the job levels haven't changed. At least on paper

Of course every company and even the different departments within a big company will have different requirements

[vapid jay]

made an aim assist for a game for those who are bad af. i love it

oh i guess a bot hearts a comment that starts off with "made an"

[deft herald]

No, it's "love" and"heart" apparently

[heavy pivot]

made an financial mangament app and now working on story managment app fully by gpt and it works and i love it

[vapid jay]

wowie

[vapid jay]

that sounds nice!

[heavy pivot]

yeah and by breaking down the code with it i actually learned a lot, using custom gpt focused on python tho

i would say more than any yt course

[gray silo]

bro im so confused, i just downloaded a module in command prompt and now my .py doc cant recognize it?

[deft herald]

You can open up a help channel

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[gray silo]

sorry

[calm willow]

hey I am new here

I tried django but it was taking so much time to learn so I left it (consider I don't have any interest in full stack)
but now interested about FastAPI

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is for general python chat, this channel is careers

[calm willow]

okay sry !!

[fringe sphinx]

no worries, just check the channel descriptions... we try to keep conversation on-topic in each channel, but there's also three off-topic channels.

[calm willow]

yup that's what we wanted , thank you

[lethal veldt]

I need little help.

How is career for cyber security

[calm willow]

It depends on you sir!

[lethal veldt]

I want to get started on cyber security. Where do i start. What should i learn first?

[calm willow]

tryhackme.com

hackthebox.com

[lethal veldt]

Its dumb to ask but do i need any prerequisite to join this?

[fringe sphinx]

Check the pins in #cybersecurity

Please read our #rules before posting

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[fringe sphinx]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[gritty rivet]

Certs are helpful if general IT is your immediate goal. If you're going to try to break into programming directly, certs have considerably less value for that

[gritty rivet]

You can find the curriculum outline on the web but Nucamp Backend specifically focuses Python, SQL and cloud deployment. A typical capstone project is a REST API built with Flask or Django, with tests, Dockerfile, documentation, etc.

[buoyant seal]

• got CS degree
• put my "enthusiastic" resume of a graduate onto local hiring site, it had stuff that i participated in open source one gaming community + i worked with python during Master's degree
• got into interview with home task building Microblog application in flask through tutorial for 5 days
• Made the task, passed, got hired as backend developer 😅

[buoyant seal]

worked in this startup as backend developer and was single responsible for server deployments.
Learned infrastructure as a code tools to automate deployments and have them as a code (because was lazy to remember how to deploy them manually)
Docker, Ansible, Terraform, Gitlab CI, Kubernetes,
got hired as next job being DevOps engineer working with AWS high loaded infra

[pliant leaf]

so I get that going back to school is a great way to break in to the industry. However unless there is a significantly cheaper way to get the CS degree that didn't require me to go into even more student loan debt. I am going to have to go about it in another more hands on way.

[smoky quest]

A CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation. Foregoing means you will face far more struggles to end up working more for less opportunities and compensation

[pine sleet]

If you are in the U.S there are many ways to reduce the price of college

[gritty rivet]

Did you look at WGU for example? It can be crazy cheap and crazy fast

[pine sleet]

CC is also a great option. very affordable and local

though you may miss out on some of the oppurtunities available in large universities

[buoyant seal]

Yeah, getting degree is path of least resistance.
With some extra self studies (eventually. I started self studies only after graduation, somewhat regretting I did not do them during studies)
With some mediocre effort above average (50% graduates do work by speciality)
You do become working in this field

Some other options are present, but they require a lot of luck, social connections or lowering expectations and/or very exceptional portfolio and some very rare amount of determination for self studies with knowing where u a going

[nocturne fjord]

Hello Guys,
I am a Bachler's in Technology Computer Science Student. I am found of python and i am good at advance python, DSA little much on AI/ML. I have knowledge about python packages like pandas, numpy, django, scikit learn etc. I am So much confused and don't know what to do next or what should i do. I am in my final year now. Any Suggestions.

[ivory compass]

maybe just create projects business want to be honest. Sure CS degree is great and gives you access to interviews you wouldn't have at big companies. If you don't interviews , try to weasal your way into the industry via friends inside of the industry. I don't think this is a meritocratic field

[outer granite]

How many websites should I have in my portfolio?

[deft herald]

Seven

/S

I'd rather see one really good one than seven half finished crappy ones

[near ocean]

Best i can do is one crappy barely started one

[gritty rivet]

0 to 5. More than 0 if you're trying to be hired as a full stack web developer.

[young bobcat]

Heyo

It's been a long time I am here

[vapid jay]

What u guys thing a solo game development of a 1 year full time can make 💵 ?
Any one has an idea? I know it depends on a lot of things but what’s urs idea? 20k? 30k? 100 dollars? 0?

[pearl veldt]

do you guys think a programming bootcamp is a better approach for validity than a certification? of course, it doesn't beat a degree, but i want to review my options here

a lot of comments i read online state that a bootcamp will get you an interview at least, and a lot also mention that they're now working in the industry because of the bootcamp. the issue is, the recommended camps are all over the place. i've yet to find one that another person also recommended

[regal axle]

Technically bootcamp . Certifications are generally worthless. And boot camps tend to also give certifications. However, both suffer from the same problem “who the hell are you?” The chances of it being reputable and well known in a beneficial way, is low

[regal axle]

Yes. Exactly. They are all over the place. Degrees are best.

[harsh river]

it depends on experience, location, education, the company, etc.

[summer roost]

the best boot camps have relationships with businesses, and design their courses to spit out graduates who have all of the skills that those businesses require for their entry level candidates, and almost all of their graduates get hired.
The worst bootcamps claim that all of their graduates get job offers, and they guarantee that by offering their graduates positions as teachers for the next classload of bootcamp students.

[pearl veldt]

so where would i find the camps that arent just cashgrabs?

[summer roost]

I don't know

[pearl veldt]

okay, a better question then: how can i know that a camp is affiliated with a business? do they just show off the company's name or logo? perhaps, but then again, anyone can do that..

[summer roost]

I really don't have any relevant expertise at vetting boot camps. My best advice would be to try to track down graduates of the boot camp you're considering and ask what they thought of the program, and whether they were able to land a job in industry. I'm not sure how best to go about that, though. Looking for communities of self-taught developers might be a good way. Looking for local tech meetups in your area might be another.

[pearl veldt]

i see, thank you for your input

[summer roost]

most boot camps are somewhere in between those two extremes - not necessarily a scam, but also not designed to give you the exact set of skills that some particular employer needs

[fringe sphinx]

I also think: if the promise sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Temper your expectations.

[pearl veldt]

[summer roost]

if the promise sounds too good to be true, it probably is
yeah. finding the obvious scams shouldn't be too hard, but distinguishing between "really great" and "ok" is a lot harder

[fringe sphinx]

ie: "1 month will land you a $500k/year job for free, guaranteed!"

[pearl veldt]

i think my money would be better invested in a degree

[harsh river]

absolutely.

[summer roost]

Degrees are much more valuable, but also more time consuming, and more expensive. If you're young and can afford to get the degree, it's probably the better long term investment. If you can't, the boot camp would be better than nothing (possibly much better, possibly only a bit better, depending on the quality of the boot camp)

[pearl veldt]

im still young

by the time i get my bachelor's i should be 30. typical age for a swe

[true harness]

you would be older than most junior devs i think. but age really doesn't matter at all

[summer roost]

🤷‍♂️ that's less young than people who started pursuing the degree right out of high school, but it's still pretty young in the grand scheme of things

it's young enough that age discrimination laws don't protect you yet in the US, heh

[true harness]

yeah, but that's one of those "you really didn't want to work there anyway"

[summer roost]

sure, just also a proxy for when "old" might start

[fringe sphinx]

😢

Tears were for gg’s last comment

[strange nova]

Meow

[strange nova]

Wait how old are you? Aren't you younger than me? Lol

[pearl veldt]

25

[strange nova]

25 is the new 18 😂

[turbid bobcat]

I don't like that I'm approaching 30, but I sure do like that I'm no longer 18, it's a paradox >.>

[vapid jay]

Lol i'm 31 and starting a bootcamp in data science (looking for data analysis first) and i know the road is going to be rough, but I'm optimistic

Still sometimes age bother me... but meh

You have to live your life

[sage dirge]

Lol no wonder I feel ancient starting a CS degree at 35.

[spice forge]

Are you guys who are getting degrees now going to college in-person or doing it online?

[turbid bobcat]

If I do another degree, it's gonna be online, in-person is a waste of time and energy unless you want to network.

[analog sun]

!shhhh

[inner wren]

✅ silenced current channel for 8 minute(s).

[fringe pine]

!silence

[inner wren]

Cannot operate on silence career-discussion; it is currently locked and in use by another operation. Please wait for it to finish and try again later.

[peak halo]

!unshh

[inner wren]

✅ unsilenced current channel.

[pearl veldt]

what happened

[vapid jay]

Spammer ?

[analog sun]

Some raider

[copper comet]

Python is language amazing, is better what go work

[harsh river]

<@&831776746206265384>

yes.

[crisp stream]

!cban 1204271505802919997 Don't post scams

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @icy ferry permanently.

[cedar snow]

Meowww

[cedar snow]

Hello! My name is Chiranjeet. I am a 3rd year ug from India. I had a question. Where do people post about summer internship opportunities? Thank you for answering 😊
I am also looking for collaborative opportunities as well!

[wide wing]

hi there! Could someone guide me on how to continue with python technologies? I have finished basic Python and I have little knowledge of Flask and very little knowledge of Django.
Could someone guide me on what is the best option to follow? thank you.

[jovial bay]

Hi there, any body can help me finding a career role for cashing out?

[near ocean]

What does that mean? Cashing out? Like being a cashier?

Cashing people out at casinos? Being a dealer?

[jovial bay]

Hi, so i really need some help with my resume or my career advice. My best to categorize myself is J.A.R.V.I.S developer, as i goal is creating JARVIS.
My stack basically is everything and will be everything in the future: Computer Vision, Web Scraping, ETL, Bot Detection, Current little bit Cybesecurity, Data engineering data science machine deep learning and future wil include bluetooth wifi or anything can connect with robots.
i was doing really fine on Upwork but somehow i got banned permanently and i started to write a resume and find a job. I was want to find a cybersecurity role at least entry as i can bypass all bot detections, and watching logs will be fun, or big data related because i want to use big daa processing something. But i don' know what role should i do, what role i can do right now to survive?

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If you can give my any useful advice will be much helpful. My resume:
https://jjxxgalaxyxx00.wordpress.com/2024/02/06/296/

[trail zealot]

Hi all

How I can get remote job in machine learning?

[fringe sphinx]

Let’s start with the basics. The resume is a mess. “Jarvis developer” isn’t a thing. Start with cleaning up the resume to a 1 page format, and focus on professionalism. Secondly, some of your portfolio projects are malicious or TOS violating, fairly unprofessional things to list if you’re applying for jobs.

We don’t do that here. See channel description and rules. This is just for advice, not hiring.

[icy snow]

ok

[fringe sphinx]

Can you give more context? Do you have a degree? What country? What experience do you have? Why ML?

[fringe sphinx]

Here’s a good example https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[jovial bay]

And heard red teaming?

[jovial bay]

So what should i call myself? That leads to the question what job am i going for

[fringe sphinx]

The cloudflare bypass isn’t red teaming, unless you were working for cloudflare.

[fringe sphinx]

Software Developer, probably. What’s your level of education?

[jovial bay]

Cloudflare bypass => Bot Detection and Firewall Bypass and driver => Javascript reverse engineering, HTTPS, RESTAPI, DOM manipulation, WebDriver, Websockets, and even some web3, at least from i know there is no job required this but you need to know threat behaviour as offensive engineer? I didn't go to school but i pretty sure school don't teach bypass cloudflare? or do they? i have no idea. But did you???????????
Dropped out, 100% self taught. current onging certificates:
IBM: Data Analyst (Near finished), Data Engineering (Need learn tools), Deep Learning (Finished), Google Deep Learning (Finished)

[fringe sphinx]

The usual advise here is: it is hard to directly land a SWE job as a self taught, in this market. You have to be a bit creative: get -any- tech experience in your resume, even if your first job is in support or QA, and focus on networking: your next job will likely be through someone you know, this job market has a lot of degreed candidates that you’d be competing with. IMO : broaden and lower your expectations, get your foot in the door in tech, rather than aiming for the dream job first.

[fringe sphinx]

You’re doing the right things, and learning good stuff, but you have to think about the competition and how you’ll differentiate yourself

[jovial bay]

I understand. I searched entry level job no luck.

[fringe sphinx]

Did you apply with that resume?

[jovial bay]

Yes, because i didn't know how to categorize myself

[fringe sphinx]

I’m just being blunt but: that resume won’t get looked at

[fringe sphinx]

Use a title that companies use, not a title you use. Software developer, for instance

The title is just one issue.

Clean up the resume and have someone review it (or this channel again). And lower your expectations: apply to adjacent jobs like support… use it as a stepping stone

[jovial bay]

I think is first don't know title my self, second is legal hiring issue. I was trying to find data analyst role and still no luck. I found cybersecurity no luck.

[fringe sphinx]

Are you younger than 18?

[jovial bay]

I do get QA inteview once instead they need javascript language

[jovial bay]

29

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, ok, heard legal hiring issue

[jovial bay]

I was looking global paying jobs. Such as remote work

[fringe sphinx]

What country?

QA is a great place to start

[jovial bay]

Most QA need JS

[near ocean]

Do you have any projects that arent legally questionable at best

[fringe sphinx]

You can build up your resume by adding some QA related projects/skills

And creating a QA focused version of the resume

[jovial bay]

Too legal not exciting, scraping and violate IOS term issue just like on the conferance they hacking the ATMs. Why you always question about that?

[near ocean]

Theres nothing creative or exciting about violating ToS/laws

[fringe sphinx]

No offense intended here, just being blunt: I am a hiring manager. I see that and I assume the person is immature and ethically challenged.

[jovial bay]

QA i need QA tools like appimum, i am aware but also they need javascript

[jovial bay]

Web Scraping is not violating the laws.

[near ocean]

Is there a problem with using javascript?
None of your projects have readmes, legible code, examples, etc

Your projects are all you have, you should take extra care to tidy them up

[jovial bay]

How about hacking an ATM in the conference? => immature and ethically challenged?

[near ocean]

Yes?

[jovial bay]

Thanks

[near ocean]

Hacking anything is immature and ethically wrong, how is this even a question

[fringe sphinx]

That stuff is slightly different: cybersecurity is a profession and there are responsible disclosure rules

So, building a tool to bypass cloudflare and sharing it is not responsible disclosure.

If your project was: ‘researching ways to prevent xyz’, then it’d be different

[jovial bay]

Let's just don't bullshitting here. You need a good attacker for the defence position, That's why your phone are consistently got hacked becuase you don't know how to attack them and ethier defending them.

Its like you give up on your choices and blaming others for using violance.

And=> i never did massive attacks and showed on my resume i cost this company billion dollars = > illegal

[fringe sphinx]

I’m not sure what this has to do with anything here. Your projects are building malicious tools to bypass cloudflare. That’s not something I’d want to see on a resume, unless it’s a red team project -for- cloudflare

[jovial bay]

How about You projects demonstrate good Javascript reverse engineering, HTTPS, RESTAPI, DOM manipulation, WebDriver, Websockets, and even some web3 understanding, and promised the compnay choices for any website ETL

Is that difficult?

[hearty island]

guys i have a big interview coming up, im excited

[fringe sphinx]

Those are all great things. Just find a way to frame it outside of bypass/malicious projects.

[near ocean]

You dont work for anyone
You dont have anyone's permission to test their products
Youre just admitting to crimes here...

Regardless, your projects look abandoned, badly structured, no documentation, nothing

Even if they work and have the results you think they do, theyre not convincing anyone you know what youre doing

https://github.com/NickxDxx/Yelp-adadadada-adadaBetter-Business-Bureau
https://github.com/NickxDxx/Capterra
https://github.com/NickxDxx/Showcase-Shopify
??????
Theres nothing here

[fringe sphinx]

Also, I know we’re saying things you don’t like. We’re not trying to be negative, just listen and consider our opinions as friendly advice.

[jovial bay]

In this project there is nothing is a crime, it only did for a programmer view is demonstrating the skills they have and level they have. While i don't know if you programming or anything, starting blame people and call out a project just like preventing a friendly attacker and when you been attacked you have no idead where is it coming from

[jovial bay]

My project such as that driver and computer vision algorithm are not showed, those are only some web scraing code

[jovial bay]

i thought recruiter don't look at the repository?

[near ocean]

I see you have no intention of taking advice
Why did you even ask here

[proper plaza]

What fields of cs can I explore besides web dev? I tried it before but it isn’t for me

[fringe sphinx]

I'm giving you my impression. You can have your opinion, but first impressions matter when it comes to resumes. I've been in the industry (and a hiring manager) for decades. I'm not saying this to be confrontational... only I'm being blunt because it's hard to be nuanced in discord.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, web dev is my least favorite. Look around: (nearly) everything around you is tied to CS in some way. It's an almost limitless field right now.

[white relic]

Nobody here is currently hiring you. Arguing about why you should be appealing to employers is not an effective way to become actually appealing to employers. You can take advice or ignore it, but it feels like you're just arguing that you shouldn't have to

[proper plaza]

The main things I can think of are ai, data science, or cybersecurity.

[digital fjord]

• research things - compilers, formal verification, solvers, ...
• data science, machine learning
• embedded development
• os development
• operation stuff, CI etc.
• networking
  These come to mind

[jovial bay]

Do you know what filed i can get or most close to get?https://jjxxgalaxyxx00.wordpress.com/2024/02/06/296/

[fringe sphinx]

That's just because it's what people talk about. There's bioinformatics, embedded systems, games, IOT, etc

[fringe sphinx]

What's your background / education?

[proper plaza]

If we’re talking cs, I know HTML, CSS, JS, Python, and Arduino

[fringe sphinx]

Self-taught? In school or not in school?

[jovial bay]

That is twisted, that's why i feel struggled when i need to talking to a recruiter while recruiter have no idea and only look for years of experience to make the deal. And i really want to corret your mind is

[jovial bay]

Next time if you see 1 milion browsers attacking Cloudflare, thats is what you should have impressions

[jovial bay]

Not 4 brwosers testing the most technical (no) technologu

[proper plaza]

The web dev stuff was in a bootcamp, Arduino in school, and Python mostly on my own

[jovial bay]

That's just how dev view things and programmer view things and know how to programme

[jovial bay]

I just really want to you to know that that view is twisted.

[proper plaza]

Honestly Python was probably my favorite
My ambitions just didn’t fit the purposes of the other languages
Like IoT or web dev. Then again, my school’s Arduino courses are pretty shit

[jovial bay]

I think the only thing you think it is melicious, is you don't know what serious attack it is.

[fringe sphinx]

It doesn't seem like you're open minded / receptive to criticism. I'm not your enemy, I'm just representative of the people you need to convince. So, I'm giving you my first impression because it's the only impression you usually get.

[digital fjord]

I would suggest learning enough to understand your own limitations so that you can provide at least vaguely accurate information on your resume - the statement no. 1 in all area is frankly ridiculous from someone with 2 years of experience.

[true harness]

let's say it's a serious attack. the responsible thing to do is disclose the vulnerability to the people you're attacking, not publish it on the internet

[fringe sphinx]

It sounds like you're frustrated by what I'm saying. Please understand I mean this all constructively. I and the other people here have a lot of experience, and we're not naive.

[jovial bay]

I disagree as progammar.

[fringe sphinx]

You are certainly entitled to. But, do you think hiring managers don't think the way I do?

[fringe sphinx]

You're still in school? Uni?

[jovial bay]

I mean, in computer vision and bot detection maybe yes, but i have no comparison with. I only know two devs created a driver bypass Cloudfalre

[near ocean]

My guy its time for some self reflection
Fix up your CV using one of the templates
Dont be so incredibly arrogant
Tidy up your projects with actual good code, documentation, whatever

[jovial bay]

That's why i think is process is fucked.

[fringe sphinx]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[near ocean]

The process is fine, if you want to change it then get a job and do your own hiring

[digital fjord]

I mean, if you are producing state of the art bot detection systems, you can just sell those and not worry about hiring at all.

[jovial bay]

Thanks, but i have concerns showing my code such as the driver, and such as proton sign up with CAPTCHA solvier algorithm

[near ocean]

You have concerns about proving you know what you say you do?

[jovial bay]

My driver is the same as Brightdata Scraping Browser, instead you need web devs creating infrustucuture, and saling teams. And right know i am wanting to make money go for it sometimes. As my goal is not building a scraper and sell it in my current career goal

[jovial bay]

I have concerns providing something i think valuable to free share

[near ocean]

Have you monetized it?

[jovial bay]

you need web devs creating infrustucuture, and saling teams

[near ocean]

I mean, have you created a product around it or convinced someone to give you money for it

[jovial bay]

Yes, a lot.

[near ocean]

So why do you want a job then lol

[jovial bay]

My Upwork Account got banned, thats why.

[digital fjord]

Anyway, point is your resume makes you seem like a clueless, arrogant, child who has no idea about their own limitations, try to make it not look that way.

[jovial bay]

I really do not know.

[near ocean]

I wonder why

[jovial bay]

I was doing remote and consistnet changing my IP location, while try to be clean and reported to the team

[jovial bay]

I just want to get a job and learn data science, that it. Where i struggle to write a resume decrible my self and i have no idea what i can do

[near ocean]

Use the template posted above
https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[strange nova]

Documentation of my projects needs some work

[fringe sphinx]

My 3 step plan: 1. Clean up resume (using that template). 2. Rephrase the projects as research, rather than (what appears to be) malicious code you distributed. 3. Prepare a QA and Support oriented versions of your resume. bonus: Round out your skills with QA and/or cloud skills.

[near ocean]

Yes
And also your CV last I saw
More numbers, more words

[strange nova]

Numbers?

[digital fjord]

also drop emotionally charged language, no one is going to believe any sort of "best in the field"/"state of the art" claim from someone with 2 YOE, regardless of the reality, especially if you can't provide code. Be strictly professional, avoid sales language.

[near ocean]

Yea numbers
"Made X faster by Y%"
"Took on Z new clients in time period"
"Managed <next letter in alphabet> developers for product whatever"

[strange nova]

OK cool! Yeah I can give some sweet numbers about my company, thanks

[jovial bay]

Overall i really thanks for the resume advices with lakmatlol. I strogly disagree with malicious as that is only how strong you are not how weak you are, seconds the web scraping is not illegal, which bypassing them is not illegal. DDOS is illegal

And i felt the recruiter have no tech skills to view others only depending on how many years and strict gate keeper the "talented" is also fed

[fringe sphinx]

Good luck then! I do mean it.

[whole flare]

what the- did I just read

interesting 🤔

[fringe sphinx]

Oh please dont

[whole flare]

👍 I think I'll need a few minutes of fresh air after reading this conversation

[near ocean]

We've been through this already

[jovial bay]

Next time you can call Bright Data IDE, and any website out there are mlicious instead of me. Also you should stop any non-acadamic knwoing nothing "researchers" from "attacking" the webisite. That's a great wat improve the technology. The AI most likely with robotics will kill half percentage of humans and you just don't call them melicious

Why not call AI melicious?

[whole flare]

I think that's a topic for #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[near ocean]

Life isnt the Terminator, youre not convincing anyone here
Just go fix up your CV and drop the subject (from this channel anyway)

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, not really a topic for this channel. You don't get to argue with the hiring managers who screen your resume.

[jovial bay]

Maybe i am glad that hiring manager is horrible and no tech skill and company can't hiring good talent and then goes boom

[whole flare]

🤨

[near ocean]

This really is your loss more than theirs

[fringe sphinx]

I'll just quote an excellent post from a few days ago: #career-advice message

[jovial bay]

Just to mention, Most ETL or web scraping process needed somewhat bypass the bot detection, while you are judging that this is melicous and your company or your dev team probably don't have that skills, and you are gate keeping that for happening, that just how the process f ed

[fringe sphinx]

I've been in data engineering for a long time. Bypassing bot detection is not how professional SWEs do things.

[near ocean]

Im not in data eng but we dont scrape anything either for our data

[jovial bay]

So those scraping browser and otopharse are only designed for ametures and no point of value then

[jovial bay]

so your devs just give it up call it day when meet bot detections

[true harness]

web scraping is not as common as you think it is

[near ocean]

What in the world is that message, are you sure youre 29 years old?

[kindred oyster]

scraping browser ?

[jovial bay]

Byebye

[kindred oyster]

you mean stuff like selenium ?

[fringe sphinx]

Look, you're getting confrontational. I know you're frustrated, I'm just trying to give you a different perspective so you can adjust your resume and increase your hit rate.

(and we don't need to get confrontational back... we can disagree without being disagreeable)

[cedar snow]

Hello. Does anyone know about any prospective of EEG and data science with respect to the corporate field and an engineering pov?

[near ocean]

Im starting to doubt its ethical to even help this guy anymore
He's showing no understanding of ethics, respecting terms of service, he's mentioned he's distributed malicious code
Maybe its time to stop

[fringe sphinx]

If you genuinely want to hear our point of view and experience here, I'm happy to share.

[kindred oyster]

EEG ? like those medical graphs ?

[cedar snow]

Electroencephalography. Yes those medical graphs.

[kindred oyster]

OHHH BRAIN ACTIVITY graph THING , didnt know it was called EEG lol 🤦‍♂️

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not quite sure what you're asking tho?

[whole flare]

I don't think so, per [] it doesn't seem so

[fringe sphinx]

?

Could you remove that?

[whole flare]

sure

[fringe sphinx]

I'm know there's tons of active research in AI analysis of EEG... I think there's some people who work in that or adjacent (MRI) data science, i've seen some images / layer detection stuff in #data-science-and-ml

[cedar snow]

I am asking if anyone knows any path or the necessary tasks a student of engineering background must do to enter the field of EEG and data science. There are companies such as neurable, neuralink etc. but i would like to know if it's a field worth pursuing.