ot2-the-original-pubsta

[wide totem]

Why not?

[median blade]

just askin

cuz there already is one

[wide totem]

It's a fork of kyb3r's bot

[median blade]

present

[wide totem]

Which is the bot of this server

[median blade]

o

[wide totem]

And at least 9k other servers

Basically used in a lot of servers

If you see a modmail chances are pretty good it's this bot

Unfornately, it does have some quirks and flaws.

I'm trying to fix that and make it easier for all to use while still being insanely customizable.

But perhaps you want to deploy multiple bots all with the same custom settings.

So there's a way to configure settings through a .toml

[cursive bluff]

I have started to study Data Science from online courses .Currently I am planning to buy a laptop which will help me in studying Data Science and also in the long run. Please recommend me a suitable laptop

[blissful coral]

depends. AI? laptops are shite - buy desktop + GPU. only going to use cloud services? M1 Macbook Air

cloud is a bit expensive tho, but as long as you have a job - shouldn't be too much of an issue

[hazy laurel]

Why a macbook of all things?

[median blade]

its supposedly good for ML

tho idk how it will compare to an AMD

[hazy laurel]

I'd probably recommend a gaming laptop at that point

but like a good one...

[blissful coral]

cuz M1 homeboi

[daring jay]

Why does it matter if it's a Macbook or anything else? (this is coming from someone with no hardware knowledge)

[median blade]

M1 is not that good of a CPU

[blissful coral]

M1 is much better for AI > CPU because of neural engine

[hazy laurel]

because Apple is notorious for not being worth your money

[blissful coral]

well, if you don't have anything to argue about then don't ping me

[median blade]

wat

i did not ping

[daring jay]

Why not just get a good CPU on any other laptop?

[blissful coral]

Apple might be "notorious" but unless anyone can give me a spec sheet and 10 page essay on why M1 is bad for ML, those arguemnts are useless

[median blade]

what resources does ML take?

[odd sphinx]

well for starters it takes memory

[median blade]

mhm

and?

[blissful coral]

Neural Engine and shared memory are +++ for large models

[odd sphinx]

and cpu

[daring jay]

Okay, say Mac is good. Is everything else bad?

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[hazy laurel]

Providing such an essay would be entirely useless

[blissful coral]

nah bruv

[odd sphinx]

dang

mac vs everyone else

epic

[hazy laurel]

The debate is not whether or not it's "good" it's a comparison of all options and how much you've gotta pay for them and what you get in return

[blissful coral]

M1 helps much more than a normal CPU. granted, software support is kinda slow but it's a long term plan

the debate is not mac vs. anything else

[hazy laurel]

I refuse to believe any Apple device is ever worth the price

[jovial island]

alright

[blissful coral]

it's the best recommendation for DS/AI, which is M1, which is Mac Mini or Air or Pro

iMac is good too

[hazy laurel]

Where does this come from, though?

[median blade]

https://www.einfochips.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-hardware-requirements-for-machine-learning/#:~:text=So%2C if you are planning,a GPU is not necessary.&text=If your task is a,end should do the work.
if this is correct,
you are better off buying a laptop with dedicated graphics than a Apple device

[blissful coral]

for large models, memory becomes a huge bottleneck. shared memory is faster, its kinda cheaper too (seeing Apple tax) and Neural Engine can be fully optimized to take full advantage which is something AMD lacks. (who talks about f-ing intel lol)

for serious DL, it's cloud + TPU

[median blade]

but what about GPU's 😏

[blissful coral]

but for normals, M1 does fine

CUDA is proprietary, so is Apple @median blade

[median blade]

yeah at the price , you can get a more powerful machine lol

[hazy laurel]

A single processor is not worth a whole laptop ngl

[median blade]

better off not buying apple

[blissful coral]

probably not, but for DS it is

[daring jay]

Just get a good OS, beef it up with a nice CPU if you really need it, and be happy

[median blade]

it doesnt work that way

[hazy laurel]

I doubt it's worth it, truthfully

[blissful coral]

if only it was simple as that

[daring jay]

I'm sure you could make it work

[median blade]

ML is heavy

hardware intensive

[blissful coral]

I mean, why are we even arguing if most of you don't do ML?

[median blade]

if you for some reason want only a CPU in your laptop - it should be light etc, an Apple device is a great option

[odd sphinx]

yes

[median blade]

cuz one person asked

[blissful coral]

yeah, and he meant in ML

[median blade]

wat

[hazy laurel]

I imagine you can put the money you save from buying a whole macbook into cloud, honestly

[median blade]

mm true

[blissful coral]

cloud is not good for experimentation; in reality, the pressure of the $ you waste discourages experimentation

[hazy laurel]

If you're just experimenting, then you don't need every ounce of performance

[median blade]

you waste a lot of $ on Apple too lol

[blissful coral]

speaking from expereince who blew 600$

[blissful coral]

long term

[median blade]

no

[blissful coral]

I can use it a long time, while in cloud only for a few weeks

[hazy laurel]

Apple products are essentially built specifically not to last

[median blade]

ah that way

[hazy laurel]

and this has been proven time and time again

[odd sphinx]

damn

[hot pulsar]

if you are experimenting then just use googles colab you even get gpus lol

and its ~free~

[blissful coral]

see, either you can get the "APplE bAd"route, or you could look at the hardware

[odd sphinx]

and go the apple bad route

either way

[median blade]

and i say its overpriced for the hardware

[blissful coral]

either way, depends on the budget

[hazy laurel]

The mentioning of Apple immediately puts me off

[median blade]

same

[odd sphinx]

oof

[blissful coral]

then don't talk about it 🤷

[median blade]

k

[odd sphinx]

k

[hazy laurel]

I don't think I prefer having someone recommend a macbook

[median blade]

i would only for design etc

[blissful coral]

your choice - MB's are pretty standard in DL now since M1 got Neural Engine

[median blade]

adobe software

[blissful coral]

it's basically a huge edge over AMD

[median blade]

AMD without GPU

[blissful coral]

yeah ofc

[median blade]

AMD with GPU will kill apple ig

[hazy laurel]

but if you really need that much performance, I don't think getting that from a laptop is a good idea

[odd sphinx]

agree

[hazy laurel]

especially an Apple one

[blissful coral]

nah, fine-tuning models doesn't take much

[median blade]

yeah so , at the same price, you can get an AMD + GPU lol

[hazy laurel]

so then why does it matter ;-;

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[hazy laurel]

You have to assume that person is going to be daily driving that laptop... and I refuse to believe a mac is their best option

[odd sphinx]

why does anything mater

[median blade]

i can fkin get a 4800H CPU + 1660Ti for the price of a macbook lmao

• 16GB

RAM

[blissful coral]

because with an AMD + GPU comb, you can't train big models you would actually use IRL. but pre-trained models can be fine-tuned on Neural engine and shared memory can help to use the large flavours of some models too

[odd sphinx]

ram

[hazy laurel]

The only acceptable reason is that someone has the money and just likes the UI

No matter how much that mentality annoys me

[median blade]

i see, i cant argue with that cuz i dont know a lot about ML

[hazy laurel]

I still think the money can be better spent

[blissful coral]

uh-huh. that's why M1 is pretty great for data scientists. prob widespread adoption may take place if they make it more cheaper at M3/M4 and more focused in Neural Engine

knowing apple, they can prob afford a new lineup with a new chip

[hazy laurel]

God, I'd hate to be put in that position

[median blade]

M2 is coming very soon

with 40 cores i guess

[blissful coral]

yeah, it's already in production

[hazy laurel]

if I have to seriously consider getting an Apple product, something is wrong

[blissful coral]

95% of cases in webdev and other things (which is smthing pretty common on this server) you won't need Apple at all

Only for AI/DS/Artistic work = Mac

[hazy laurel]

I just don't think any hardware gains are worth it when it comes to Apple

because everything else just doesn't make it worth it for me

[blissful coral]

most creative professionals use Mac 🤷

[hazy laurel]

Yes and they're weird

[odd sphinx]

lol

final cut bro!!

[median blade]

no i agree with ruler with this

creative art = apple

no other way

[hazy laurel]

But why

[odd sphinx]

they do use apple

[hazy laurel]

I never understand

[median blade]

Adobe suite

final cut pro

[odd sphinx]

that true

[median blade]

all works very well in mac

[blissful coral]

Apple is very art-focused since Steve Jobs. it's a tradition they maintain

[median blade]

and Mac displays are sick

[odd sphinx]

bruh

u sound like an ad

but mac displays are good

[blissful coral]

they have more rez than most monitors on Amazon 😮

[hazy laurel]

I don't know, I know too much... My decisions are always based completely on efficiency

[odd sphinx]

pro duplsay xdr

[median blade]

not the same refresh rate but yeah

[blissful coral]

just see the imac rez

mind = blown

[hazy laurel]

and I find Apple absolutely horrible for anything efficient

[odd sphinx]

bruh

[hazy laurel]

Everything is always completely preference

[odd sphinx]

only artists need that kind of resolution

[median blade]

its easy to see that mac's are aimed at creative profssionals

[odd sphinx]

max i would get on a laptop is 4k

and only if it can be 144hz

[blissful coral]

exactly

[hazy laurel]

I mean what's stopping them from using Windows or something?

[odd sphinx]

i think its the ecosystem

they most likely have an iphone

[median blade]

ye

eh

nono

[blissful coral]

artists love that sort of thing - wider colors, more art emphasis, integrated eco where everything simply works

[odd sphinx]

yes

[median blade]

the software hardware integration is very nice with Mac's

[odd sphinx]

yes

[blissful coral]

they don't want to mess about nerdy things like patches and code. they just want their shit to work

makes sense from their perspective

[odd sphinx]

yes

agree

[hazy laurel]

I kind of feel like 99% of them don't even think about patches

if that's even really a thing

[odd sphinx]

because thats not their job

they want things to work

[blissful coral]

I feel like 99% don't even know about technical things, and they shouldn't really

[odd sphinx]

they dont have to

[blissful coral]

yeah

[hazy laurel]

so how does that justify "their point" if they don't even know it's a point?

[median blade]

wat

[odd sphinx]

?

[blissful coral]

wdym

[daring jay]

People want what works for them

[hazy laurel]

I mean to say

[odd sphinx]

ye

[daring jay]

Mac works for artists(and other people) who don't want to mess with technical stuff

[hazy laurel]

How do they know Apple fixes their problems if they didn't even know they had problems to begin with

[hazy laurel]

How does Windows not "just work"?

[median blade]

they did have problems

[daring jay]

Never said it didn't

[median blade]

Windows laptops dont come with high refresh rates, icky integration etc

[daring jay]

But some people just might prefer mac

[hazy laurel]

But you mention mac specifically

[median blade]

yes mac

i told you why :/

[blissful coral]

they don't really care. they have an ecosystem that simply works and doesn't break down. they have devices which while are expensive works well enough for them 🤷

[daring jay]

Because that's what this convo is about

[odd sphinx]

lol

[median blade]

for example, Adobe loves to crash in my PC

[hazy laurel]

What an annoying situation

[odd sphinx]

ye

[timber mango]

For me, even Microsoft office crashes

[median blade]

lmao

[hazy laurel]

Oh well. I'll forever abstain from both macOS and Windows (as much as I really can)

[blissful coral]

I mean, I tried to do music production in windows and I couldn't even get the fukin installer to run

[median blade]

eh

[odd sphinx]

dang

[median blade]

its not that bad

[hazy laurel]

Apple just really has a monopoly on their own software

[median blade]

its just not efficient

[hazy laurel]

everything they have only works on what they have

[daring jay]

Ye

[blissful coral]

perhaps. But with Mac, you know most Apple software works out of the box

[hazy laurel]

all they do is raise the price and make their products intentionally bad

[odd sphinx]

but enough to still work

very well

with other apple devices

[blissful coral]

I think you are looking at this with a pretty nerdy perspective. Other people are not like that

[odd sphinx]

yes

[blissful coral]

they don't want to fix stuff they don't understand

[hazy laurel]

I've already said that

[blissful coral]

they would pay more just to get everything to work

[hazy laurel]

Which is just an annoying mentality, honestly

because now all the support goes over to Apple

and so those who refuse to use Mac (cough) are stuck with the shorter end of the stick

and the monopoly continues

because there's no reason this software can't work fine on another OS

[median blade]

yes and no one can do anything about it 👍

[blissful coral]

same way we don't know about what chemicals we get when we drink coke, but chemists would consider it heresy that you drink somthing which has x chemical which would cause cancer.

I don't really care i would get cancer. I just want to enjoy my coke

[median blade]

wat

[hazy laurel]

I mean I'd rather live with a "worse" experience than support a company like that

[timber mango]

Yeah shooting the gun for the love of its sound

[median blade]

more like no experience

[hazy laurel]

I mean I'd save more time fixing whatever issues I encounter rather than having to work more hours to make up for the price

[median blade]

issues you cant fix

...

[hazy laurel]

Like what?

[odd sphinx]

like me

:"(

[somber belfry]

hey, that's okay :O

no one wants to use you anyway

❤️

[median blade]

high res screen, lack of software

[odd sphinx]

dang

[hazy laurel]

What software could you possibly need in this context?

[median blade]

final cut pro

[hazy laurel]

and I don't understand the "high res screen" argument

[odd sphinx]

i think u can get high res screens

maybe they might not be colour accurate

[median blade]

im talking about laptops here btw

[odd sphinx]

bruh

[hazy laurel]

Why would you need this, though? Surely there aren't absolutely no alternatives

[median blade]

and for the price, apple is the best

[median blade]

ask professionals that

[hazy laurel]

:|

[somber belfry]

what

[median blade]

context...

[odd sphinx]

lol

[hazy laurel]

Idk man. I have a hard time believing Apple is ever the "best"

[median blade]

better than manjaro ;)

[somber belfry]

do professionals use Final Cut Pro?

[median blade]

afaik yes

[somber belfry]

shushhhhh 🤫

[hazy laurel]

I'd still prefer Manjaro over macOS ngl

[somber belfry]

Strange

[median blade]

for real , move on to arch already

[round moss]

yeah, Final Cut pro is a very solid piece of software

[hazy laurel]

as compared to what, though?

[odd sphinx]

i assume it crashes less than premiere

[round moss]

Premiere

[median blade]

lol yes

[round moss]

companies don't use Apple for the lulz, they use apple because it is the most profitable

[odd sphinx]

well ive never really done any 6hr editing job so my premieres never crashed

[median blade]

yup

[somber belfry]

but it can never be as good as Windows Movie Maker™️

[timber mango]

1st rule for me as a programmer is whatever i use should be a free software. I haven’t spent a single penny for online software

[round moss]

yeah, that is a worthy priority

gentoo even lets you set a limit which prevents non-free software on your PC

[odd sphinx]

damn

[round moss]

and its the default

[odd sphinx]

lmao

thats funny

how does it recognize paid software

[hazy laurel]

Gentoo is really just the distro for masochists

[round moss]

any new software you have to build from source, so it checks for a license

you can probably bypass it

[hazy laurel]

I'd hate to miss a month of updates and sit there for a day or two or three just compiling everything

[round moss]

(and well, you can probably also run apimages)

[odd sphinx]

interesting

[round moss]

if you miss a month of updates, you have to reinstall

or maybe a bit over a month

[hazy laurel]

Jeez

[round moss]

not exactly sure

[odd sphinx]

wtf

[round moss]

but they do not support large updates

[timber mango]

You guys use any paid software for programming?

[odd sphinx]

no

[hazy laurel]

Well

Define paid...

because I use PyCharm Professional and what-not

[odd sphinx]

pycharm professional

[hazy laurel]

but I didn't pay for it

I should clarify that I'm a student

[round moss]

I use word for writing down notes and such

[hazy laurel]

I don't pirate lmao

[round moss]

which my parents do pay for

free software is a cool idea, but I don't think I care that much

[odd sphinx]

same

[hazy laurel]

well tbf if you use Windows or macOS you're basically using paid software

[odd sphinx]

except when i need it

[round moss]

yeah

I am debating putting gentoo on my laptop for uni and just use vi for taking notes

gotta have a good battery life

[hazy laurel]

but why would you do this

[timber mango]

I downloaded windows 10 for free from their main website

[hazy laurel]

could just use any server install :c

Install Alpine 👍🏽

[round moss]

that could also work

or just freeBSD

[hazy laurel]

I don't think that'd help much

I doubt it's as optimized

Alpine might be a good case for this... considering it's supposed to be incredibly light for use with Docker

[round moss]

honestly, even just fedora workstation would probably be fine. It's mostly the screen that is energy hungry

as well as WIFI

[hazy laurel]

I don't think Fedora would be good

[round moss]

alpine as a daily driver seems unwise

[hazy laurel]

They're too GNOME-centric

and GNOME is notoriously not very performant

[round moss]

you can install fedora with something other than gnome

at least I saw the button in the installer

[hazy laurel]

Yes, but their spins are low quality

[round moss]

ah

[hazy laurel]

their main focus is on GNOME

and it shows

[fossil pier]

You dont need a spin to install a desktop enviroment,

[jovial island]

Someone can chat with me I m alone

[hazy laurel]

You'd ideally want a generic desktop

but I don't think Fedora has an install for that

Honestly, for the most part distro is kind of irrelevant

it's pretty much mostly the DE that you have to worry about

[jovial island]

Nobody?

[hazy laurel]

so openSUSE or Arch might be good picks, because you can customize your installations fairly easily

[jovial island]

hey guys could someone help me out with a code?

[fossil pier]

Depends on how difficult the problem is 😄

[hazy laurel]

and yes, this is correct... but I assumed it'd work well if all you wanted was vi lol

[jovial island]

how do I assign a unique number to an item in a list?

[fossil pier]

So you have a list like ["a","b","c"] and want [("a",0), ("b",1), ("c",2)] ?

[hazy laurel]

zip a set of random IDs with the list to have a dict with {id: item}, maybe

[somber belfry]

you'd want to use UUID too

[hazy laurel]

the library?

[somber belfry]

yes

[jovial island]

basically i want so when the first item appears in the list, it's assigned to the number "1", the second one to number 2, but if the first item appears again, the program would know that this item is number 1

[somber belfry]

for generating the id

okay, never mind

[hazy laurel]

I mean it could still work lol

[somber belfry]

where do you wanna assign it?

[jovial island]

in another list

[hazy laurel]

Wait

Are you not able to use a set for what you're doing?

[jovial island]

so ['Michael', 'James', 'Andrew', 'Josh', 'Michael', 'Josh'] would be [1,2,3,4,1,4]

[fossil pier]

Are you sure you dont want to use a dictionary instead? So you have a mapping from the item/names to numbers?

[hazy laurel]

I'm thinking this might be some X/Y problem

[jovial island]

yeah a dictionary could work better lol

[hazy laurel]

and maybe step back and say what it is you're trying to accomplish

because I think using just a set might be able to work if you don't require order or something

[somber belfry]

could be a homework assignment too, they give the craziest most useless
stuff

[hazy laurel]

Fair haha

In [1]: x = [1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4]

In [2]: set(x)
Out[2]: {1, 2, 3, 4}

[jovial island]

i thought of a better solution

what code could assign a number to an item?

[hazy laurel]

You'd want to use a dictionary or a class for that

[jovial island]

but the numbers would have to be going up to 50

[hazy laurel]

or even a tuple/list, I guess

[somber belfry]

a named tuple

why do you wanna store the number in another list?

Sorry, I'm way too tired to be awake right now

[hazy laurel]

It'd be helpful if we had some clarification as to what you're doing lol

[jovial island]

with a dictionary, is the number forever assigned to the value, or it can be overwritten if a new value is added?

[hazy laurel]

it can be overwritten

[jovial island]

-_- :)))))

why is coding so hard? :(((

i want it to be simplerrrrr

no

[hazy laurel]

Could you maybe explain what it is you're trying to achieve ;-;

[odd sphinx]

yea

[jovial island]

so basically i want to add a bunch of names to a list

[hazy laurel]

uhuh

[jovial island]

and i want to write a program so that each name is the list is assigned to a specific number

[fossil pier]

Something like could work, but this is python so there probably exists some fancy one liner:

result = {}
ident = 0
for item in the_list:
  if not item in result:
    result[item] = ident
    ident += 1

[odd sphinx]

{i: name for i, name in enumerate(names)}

[hazy laurel]

Is there a reason for this?

[jovial island]

so if the same name is added to the list again, the program would automatically know the number asigned to that program

uni assessment :))))

[hazy laurel]

I see

[jovial island]

but i just struggle to write this

[odd sphinx]

then u can check if such a value already exists in the dictionary

[fossil pier]

Does not give same id to same names.

[hazy laurel]

You could probably just use a list of dicts

ouch

[odd sphinx]

oof

[hazy laurel]

It's list.index right?

[odd sphinx]

yes

damn

ok

[hazy laurel]

I might be thinking of list.find

[odd sphinx]

ok

[hazy laurel]

D:

[odd sphinx]

it is defintely index

[jovial island]

yeah maybe a list of dicts would be good

[odd sphinx]

so u allow duplicate names in ur dict? @jovial island

[radiant socket]

oh there's a cool way to do this one

[somber belfry]

Or just use one dict
the key will be the name of the person and the value will be the unique ID

before adding a key to the dictionary, check if the key already exists
if it exists, dont add it
if it does not exist, add it and assign the unique id to the key.

[odd sphinx]

yes

[jovial island]

yeah

let me give you an example

I would want my program to recognize this

[somber belfry]

does the unique id have to be 1, 2, 3.. etc?

[radiant socket]

using OrderedDict

[hazy laurel]

well. I managed to come up with a solution

idk how I would... explain it without giving it

[jovial island]

['Michael', 'James'. 'Peter', 'Michael', 'Peter'] = [1, 2, 3, 1, 3]

so every name is assigned to a number

but if the item appears in the list again, the program would use it's appropriate number

[hazy laurel]

Okay, so list.index() returns the index of the first item it finds in a list

or maybe that's any... "indexable"

[radiant socket]

lists

[hazy laurel]

So even if you have multiple of the same item... the index will always be of the first one

[fossil pier]

Nobody wants to give you the answer directly, but if you take the code from #ot2-the-original-pubsta message and tweak it slightly you can have it do what you want.

[hazy laurel]

You can land on something much more straight-forward with list.index(), though

[jovial island]

yeah that's a good idea

thank you 🙂

yeah that makes sense

if the item appears one in the list, an index is assigned to it

[somber belfry]

why though?

[hazy laurel]

You don't need an if, though

[somber belfry]

why not an ordinary dict?

[dusky cliff]

list.index will probably make it even more complicated

[somber belfry]

unless you mean OrderedSet

[hazy laurel]

Want me to show you the solution lol

or from what I did

[dusky cliff]

I have a solution alrd

[radiant socket]

wait, maybe dict will work now

[hazy laurel]

the actual "solution" is like a single line

[nova ember]

Dicts are guaranteed to preserve their order nowadays

[dusky cliff]

||list(dict.items())[x] \😎||

[radiant socket]

yeah, should work with normal dict

[somber belfry]

bUt yOu ShOulDn't rEly oN iT

Karen said

[radiant socket]

who cares, it's in the reference now

[hazy laurel]

lol

all you have to do is make a list of dicts

the key the index, the value the item

[nova ember]

Smh nowadays you can

[jovial island]

how can i add the index of an item from one list to another one<

[hazy laurel]

enumerate?

Maybe I've mistook what you're wanting

[jovial island]

so the index of a value from list1, how can i append this number to list2?

[hazy laurel]

[{0: 'A'}, {1: 'B'}, {2: 'C'}, {1: 'B'}, {0: 'A'}]

this is the result of what I've got

[jovial island]

this is good, but my program needs to include up to 50 names

and random ones

so the person would just type in the name, and this name would be assigned to a number

[hazy laurel]

I think you may be overthinking it

[odd sphinx]

yea

[hazy laurel]

The secret lies in list.index()

In [1]: x = ["A", "B", "C", "B", "A"]

In [2]: for i in x:
   ...:     print(x.index(i))
   ...:
0
1
2
1
0

[odd sphinx]

hmm

[hazy laurel]

ah, actually.. I think I see the situation

if I add another, it'd need to be 3, wouldn't it

[odd sphinx]

defaultdict

[radiant socket]

almost

[dusky cliff]

yeah

[radiant socket]

you get an issue with an input like this, [1, 1, 1, 1, 5]

[hazy laurel]

it'd be 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, yeah?

which you'd want 0, 0, 0, 0, 1

[radiant socket]

but it should be 0 (or 1, depending on what you start at) 1

[dusky cliff]

no it should be 0, 0, 0, 0, 1

[radiant socket]

yep, exactly

[dusky cliff]

laggg

aaaaaaaaaaa help

[hazy laurel]

okay, but index can still be useful here

[dusky cliff]

I hav a one liner

[hazy laurel]

nevermind. maybe not

[dusky cliff]

unfortunately I cheated with ors

wtv

its still a oneliner

[hazy laurel]

[{0: 'A'}, {1: 'B'}, {2: 'C'}, {1: 'B'}, {0: 'A'}, {3: 'D'}]

there we go

[round moss]

a = {name: i for i, name in enumerate(dict.fromkeys(l))}
res = [a[name] for name in l]
``` sth like this?

[hazy laurel]

keep in mind this is someones assignment lol

[dusky cliff]

🤔

[radiant socket]

that was my sol, yeah

[dusky cliff]

won't that keep the last occurrence

not the first

[hazy laurel]

mine's different

oh. but actually not

because all I did was not use enumerate in my obsession with list.index

[fossil pier]

I also have a question. I am thinking about creating a special kind of profiler for python. To explore this idea and to see if its feasible, i need to have access to some code to test. Does anyone know about any python based projects that has a good collection of benchmarks? Preferably for longer running tasks.

[round moss]

most web servers have some sort of benchmark

[fossil pier]

Like the frameworks or specific web serves/websites? A web server would be a great fit.

[round moss]

web frameworks, there may be some project that maintains them. You could also just pick out the python ones from this list https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[fossil pier]

Thanks

[tribal tinsel]

Reporting on the birdie. It eats a loooot and shits a lot. The feathers are now bigger. Birdie likes hands because they're warm.

[dusky cliff]

nice

[tribal tinsel]

Well, the eating and shitting parts are not as nice. It's loud when it wants something :D

[dusky cliff]

lol

[odd sphinx]

daily bird reports letsgo

[sinful sun]

#birb channel when

[median blade]

Yooooooo

Yes

[jovial island]

no

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What made you want to join this Discord server?**

Suggest more topics here!

[jovial island]

Free range help

[wide totem]

what the fuck was i thinking when i coded this

[jovial island]

Girls?

[languid osprey]

PFFT

[wide totem]

i legit coded a database schema into a config file

this was dumb

so i have to re-rewrite half of my rewrite of the configuration

[lucid osprey]

I just searched it up.

since pydis was the first server (public server) I joined.

[dusky cliff]

same

[lucid osprey]

I just wanted to join a public server since the only server I joined before this one was my frens' server which is currently dead.

[dim root]

i saw r/python and then saw the discord which was the day i joined this server and discord

!u

[clever salmon]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[lucid osprey]

almost deleted discord until I found this server, and a couple of others too.

[dim root]

hence ^

[lucid osprey]

nice.

[wide totem]

fuck pipenv lol

[jovial island]

all my homies use poetry

[gaunt wave]

folks How much shud I charge for a website like this website clone

https://www.chibishiba.com/#tokenmetrics

But responsive and scalable!

[lucid osprey]

what does scalable mean btw?

[gaunt wave]

Scalability is the property of a system to handle a growing amount of work by adding resources to the system. ... In computing, scalability is a characteristic of computers, networks, algorithms, networking protocols, programs and applications.

source : wikie Pedia

[lucid osprey]

oh hmm

[odd sphinx]

ye

[daring jay]

Scalability only really matters if you have a backend

[lucid osprey]

I need a few more mins to let that sink in..

[gaunt wave]

@lucid osprey it's like... it shud be like... capable or adding new features and.. thinks

[lucid osprey]

ah got it.

[gaunt wave]

Get it?

yah thats it

[lucid osprey]

I remember writing a python file

and

[round moss]

scalable doesn't mean extensible, scalable means you can take this from 100 users to 1000000

[gaunt wave]

Capable of scaling... the program in future.. ig.. coz wikipedia thingy doesn make sense

[lucid osprey]

I wanted to add one more functionality to it

[gaunt wave]

oooooooo

folks How much shud I charge for a website like this website clone

https://www.chibishiba.com/#tokenmetrics

But responsive and scalable!

welppp

plss

[lucid osprey]

the code was written like a final one or smth it was a pain to accommodate it.

[gaunt wave]

ooooo

[round moss]

what country are you in?

[gaunt wave]

@round moss INDIA

but client

is from the us

u can say the us

standards

@round moss......

[round moss]

On second thought, I am not the right person to give advice for pricing. Consider asking in #career-advice

[gaunt wave]

No one pops is there :-/

pops up*

[wide totem]

I was actually using poetry

But I decided to just

Take pipenv and remove it from the project for now lol

[odd sphinx]

@frozen pelican have a doggo

[frozen pelican]

ahhhhhh cute

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[frozen pelican]

yeah

[odd sphinx]

hes such a lad

[frozen pelican]

i like puppies

like my fav pets

but never had one

looking to get one

[odd sphinx]

u should get one

i mean

ive never had a puppy

[median blade]

same

[frozen pelican]

ok

[wheat rock]

damn

[odd sphinx]

ey?

[wheat rock]

that's kyoot

yours 👀

[odd sphinx]

agree

[wide totem]

wow

[narrow sigil]

dogo

[odd sphinx]

quite

[wide totem]

wong server smh

[narrow sigil]

but its dogo

[wide totem]

smeh

[jovial island]

Thanks a lot. This is what I was looking for :)))

[radiant socket]

that will have incorrect behavior on certain inputs

[fossil pier]

What is the edge case?

[radiant socket]

[1, 1, 1, 2]

[fossil pier]

I don't get why that will cause a issue.

[radiant socket]

you would get 3 as 2's id, not 2

for one based counting in the id

[fossil pier]

Oh yeah, you are right. Well the id's are unique, but they are not compact.

[split flax]

ok

nice

[jolly oriole]

a repo for example

[split flax]

More like.... rice.

[jolly oriole]

fair enough

[hoary basalt]

:0

[split flax]

I know what a fucking repo is.

[jolly oriole]

😮

[split flax]

🤣

[split flax]

Don't cancel me.

[jolly oriole]

what if the algorithm was the impostor

[split flax]

Imagine.

[jolly oriole]

ejected the algorithm

[split flax]

Fuck 🤣

[jolly oriole]

rip algorithm 2021 to 2021

[hoary basalt]

oh no. everywhere i go, I see the sus word STOP

[jolly oriole]

i know

it gives me PTSD

[split flax]

" " - AlgorithmSus 2021

[jolly oriole]

😮

back to the general

[split flax]

😈

[jolly oriole]

we need to go help people

[split flax]

Yep

[jolly oriole]

nvm

they are all dead

[hoary basalt]

general is dead

[jolly oriole]

yup

[steel eagle]

Amongus/sus is such a dead meme now it's just a calling card for those who are behind the times or just unfunny in general

[wide totem]

Ur sus

Im sorry I had to

[steel eagle]

I wish you a very bad day

[languid osprey]

OMG SUS

[real forum]

lol

[wide totem]

I had one smh

[languid osprey]

sususu

[real forum]

Tbf everything they said was correct, the meme isn't funny, it's dead, and it's annoying.

[languid osprey]

lmao

[wide totem]

Basically I'm no longer rewriting @vapid maple

[languid osprey]

oh no

why

[wide totem]

I'm writing a fresh modmail

[languid osprey]

oh

new modmail

[wide totem]

That's mostly compatible with @vapid maple installs 😏

[real forum]

Pog

[wide totem]

because this way I can license the rewrite under MIT or LGPL

[real forum]

Tbf after looking at @vapid maple's source code it's a bit of a mess

[wide totem]

^^^

[wide totem]

Mods can we pin this

[real forum]

Python discord modmail when?

#dev-contrib 👀

[wide totem]

I redid the entire bot configuration

And then redid the other code

And then when I got to the threads code

And I could run self.threads.bot.threads.bot...

[real forum]

lol

[wide totem]

I gave up on that code and started a totally new bot

Hm

It actually runs atm

It doesn't do anything other than connecting to the gateway

Next step is to add the database

[real forum]

You know, I looked at most of the bots source, and I didn't find a single on_message event

[wide totem]

It's in the bot file iirc

bot.py

Line 1125...

[real forum]

I can't find bot.py

[wide totem]

It's in the main folder

https://github.com/kyb3r/modmail/blob/3717df646644159c5a0e713aa83bfcdbf768dcdb/bot.py#L1125

[clever salmon]

bot.py line 1125

async def on_message(self, message):```

[real forum]

Nvm I found it

[wide totem]

Reason 2 for a rewrite, a gigantic 2k+ line main file

That includes bot definition and most of the thread logic

But not ALL of it since half of that is in the core.thread file

[real forum]

Yeah I don't get why most of it isn't in threads.py

[wide totem]

EXCEPT core.models also includes half of the thread model

[real forum]

Ugh I keep seeing the %s method and it pains me

[wide totem]

AND in core.threads the ThreadsManager has a attribute of bot!!

[wide totem]

👀

That's what pains u?

Smhhhhh

[real forum]

Well ehh

[wide totem]

Lol

[rigid oyster]

Off topic but is the title of this channel sarcastic?

[wide totem]

Probably

[rigid oyster]

xD

[wide totem]

This is where the rewrite is @real forum

https://github.com/onerandomusername/modmail/tree/main/

Look at that config file 🧑‍🍳 💋

Pydantic, toml, and dotenv used automatically load from a config-default.toml, a config.toml, and a .env file

[real forum]

mmm

good shit

[jovial island]

microsoft teams is terrible software

[hollow heart]

@jovial island do pls share more, what do you find its weaknesses are?

[jovial island]

I'm on mobile so bear with me

why do you have a bear with you

1. teams is not a native application:

of course, it is an electron app, meaning it'll be way slower if implemented incorrectly, and it relies on layers and layers of software to display things correctly, which of course means overhead

2. teams is full of Microsoft fuckery

since teams isnt a native application, and it embeds things like power point and word, it was very easy for Microsoft to simply load the webpage version of those two, and on teams for some reason the toolset for those embedded apps is very restricted, try to edit a word document in teams for example

3. not asynchronous

teams loads every bit of information from the database in the main thread, whenever you go fetch something like your messages, team list, team chat whatever

and that leads us to the last point, teams doesn't cache anything, it fetches everything again and again and never bad a local copy of a document, you can guess how well that goes.

for people with fast internet connections and slow response times they might not feel the effects of these poor implementation choices

but me with my puny 10mbps uplink cries about it every day

@hollow heart

[scarlet totem]

why is your rewrite branch on main

wait I thought that was a fork nvm

[jovial island]

imagine not having a message cache and loading in 1000 messages each time you pop up a new tab

[wide totem]

It was earlier.

But due to licensing and the current state of the code of @vapid maple, it's more efficient to rewrite from scratch.

Rewriting from nothing means I can safely license it with MIT

Since all code is mine or is from other bots with MIT licenses

[hollow heart]

thanks for this... my company has been using personal Skype which is stupid and i was gonna push us towards using Teams since we already have the full o365 setup

[wide totem]

so to be clear, this is not a rewrite

[hollow heart]

instead we're trying to move to zoho cliq bc we also have the zoho one subscription but.. i don't love cliq it just feels like a barely completed application to me. I'm not technical enough to outline the faults like you did though.

is there a dream work-messaging app for you?

[scarlet totem]

ah so you're writing a new modmail bot

[wide totem]

yea

now, it will be compatible with @vapid maple

[wide totem]

probably will, anyhow

motor relies on the other one

[sweet meteor]

no, microsoft teams sucks

[odd sphinx]

oof'

[sweet meteor]

pls don't use it if you have that option

[hot verge]

of course it does suck everything from microsoft except Task Manager and Ms Paint does

[slow valve]

indeed Microsoft Teams is great software

[misty blaze]

a

[cerulean panther]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What would you do if you know you could succeed at anything you chose to do?**

Suggest more topics here!

[jovial island]

Wait is this channel a joke ?

[cerulean panther]

yes

[jovial island]

Ah okay

[cerulean panther]

the names change every 24hrs

[jovial island]

Okay

[cerulean panther]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What's the best pastry?**

Suggest more topics here!

[cerulean panther]

donuts

[fickle thorn]

ye teams is great

[hybrid maple]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What book do you highly recommend everyone to read?**

Suggest more topics here!

[idle comet]

the Daodejing
Brave New World

[sinful sun]

Time to build another crud app again i guess

I hate life

[sinful sun]

pygeneral be like: aUtOmAtE tHe BoRiNg sTuFf

[odd sphinx]

lol

[worn sluice]

idk

seems like u need to automate

some boring stuff

[radiant socket]

educated by tara westover

[proper python]

wtf

[dusky cliff]

?

[proper python]

it doesnt fully collapse

[dusky cliff]

o lol

[proper python]

how do i make it fully collapse

[median blade]

what is {% %}

[proper python]

django syntax

[daring jay]

In Django? It indicates their template tags

[median blade]

o

[languid osprey]

dawn

new pfp

[delicate lion]

it is singular bongocat

he is not bongoing

just sittin there with his paw in the air

[hot pulsar]

🐱

[daring jay]

bongocat

[odd sphinx]

no

theres no bongo

therefore it is just a cat

[bold zinc]

hi

[jovial island]

hi

[cerulean panther]

hello

[bold zinc]

i am 13 years old boy

pls i want to learn code

can you help me

[cerulean panther]

!resources check out our resources list for many guides

[clever salmon]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[bold zinc]

thx

[cerulean panther]

>>> ᓚᘏᗢ="cat"
>>> print(ᓚᘏᗢ)
cat

hmmm

[rigid echo]

mhm

[bold zinc]

what is this ?

[steel eagle]

The python discord off topic channel

[wide totem]

@rare moat is back y'all

[rare moat]

sup.

[urban narwhal]

ouch, took me 3 hours of fiddling, but I made it work! Spotify api export of all my playlists and imported it to sqlite db. Unicode tables is still a challenge. Also the max request of 100 each time

[blissful coral]

!rule 6

[clever salmon]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[blissful coral]

#ot2-the-original-pubsta

[urban narwhal]

Who did advertising?

Not me

[blissful coral]

lol, the staff breaking their own rules

[urban narwhal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blissful coral]

I can finally legitimately charge the admins for the voilation of their own rules 😎

[dusky cliff]

👀

what happened here

[odd sphinx]

same

[slow valve]

same

[jovial island]

ok

[dusky cliff]

@blissful coral explainnnnnn

i need answers

[blissful coral]

#ot2-the-original-pubsta

[dusky cliff]

lmao

well played

[jovial island]

It's still on tho

[slow valve]

lol

[slow valve]

but it's fax

fax != advertise

[jovial island]

Faxmachine

[blissful coral]

google meet for me 🚀

[slow valve]

🤮

[dusky cliff]

discord vc

[slow valve]

lol

[blissful coral]

zoom is fair for me

but then I don't have online classes anymore

[slow valve]

zoom is the worst of all

[idle comet]

BigBlueButton > anything else

[blissful coral]

can't comment - Ive forgotten them all

thats what you get for browsing youtube during online classes

[slow valve]

lol

[jovial island]

I love myself

[slow valve]

nice

[slow valve]

bru I must leave now

[cerulean panther]

oof

0%

[sinful sun]

Now kiss already
Scores 0%
Which one is it, bot

WHICH ONE

[tribal tinsel]

it's love-hate relationship

[round moss]

@pastel nest added some python questions to the doc.

[sullen estuary]

I like your new pfp @bold dove

[fallen bramble]

a

[upbeat sandal]

b

[lone mist]

could we not have blatant lies in channel names please?

[echo fern]

wa

[bold dove]

💙

[pastel nest]

got it, i'll check it out!

[wide totem]

c

[pastel nest]

@round moss you're singlehandedly carrying the entire next pr. thank you soooo much, these are incredible contributions :) i just finished checking your python questions, on to the cs!

[wide totem]

….

i just

wtf

i deleted discord

i reinstalled discord

I STAYED SIGNED IN

[daring jay]

Nice

[wide totem]

no bad

i found malware in my discord install lol

[daring jay]

Oof

That does not sound good

[daring jay]

Nice

Did you install Discord from the official site?

[wide totem]

yes

i installed it many moons ago

it was discord which downloaded it

file: C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\discordcanary\Cache\f_004e1a

mm

[wide totem]

why do u keep saying nice smh

[daring jay]

Idk

I've dealt with enough code errors today that I can't think very well

[pastel nest]

going to think to some image questions tmr to spice up the variety, and then it's PR Time™️

[wide totem]

@grim seal nice channel name

[daring jay]

Why are you replying to them in the wrong channels

[wide totem]

why are you pointing that out

[daring jay]

Because I want to

[grim seal]

?

[wide totem]

#ot0-fear-of-python

i know it was

[grim seal]

why not ping there lol

[wide totem]

you've been well versed in python for many years

[grim seal]

soon i'll bar your permissions from ot2

[wide totem]

its ot0

why would i use ot0

[wide totem]

i'll use ot1 then 😏

[hazy laurel]

haha get rekt

[languid osprey]

lmao

[echo fern]

👀

[languid osprey]

ooh

[daring jay]

That's amazing!

[languid osprey]

yep

[echo fern]

I've reached the point where the poor Rust function actually runs for a decent fraction of a second, lol

when I use a high MaxIters and horizon

still works fine, though

[daring jay]

Only programmers would think a second is long

[echo fern]

users would too if they were using it 😛

[wide totem]

oh good i can chat here again

[echo fern]

by the way, the window is resizable!

and the viewport automatically adjusts to it - as in, if you resize the window to half the size, fewer fixels will be calculated each time and performance will be better

[wide totem]

hm.…

i wonder what will break here

LOL

tl;dr everything

[dusky cliff]

my otn 😌

[languid osprey]

Lol

[raw raptor]

a second to me is an eternity

[odd sphinx]

now make it colourful 🔫

[dusky cliff]

black and white are colours too smh

[odd sphinx]

how far can u zoom in

shouldnt u reach a float limit

especially if ur using c#

[odd sphinx]

ok

or hes using doubles

[lucid osprey]

this ot name is too good

[vague belfry]

Hey! How do I pass a 2d array to a function?
#include<bits/stdc++.h>
using namespace std;

// Print the distance of nearest cell
// having 1 for each cell.
void printDistance(int mat[N][M])
{
int ans[N][M];

// Initialize the answer matrix with INT_MAX.
for (int i = 0; i < N; i++)
    for (int j = 0; j < M; j++)
        ans[i][j] = INT_MAX;

// For each cell
for (int i = 0; i < N; i++)
    for (int j = 0; j < M; j++)
    {
        // Traversing the whole matrix
        // to find the minimum distance.
        for (int k = 0; k < N; k++)
            for (int l = 0; l < M; l++)
            {
                // If cell contain 1, check
                // for minimum distance.
                if (mat[k][l] == 1)
                    ans[i][j] = min(ans[i][j],
                         abs(i-k) + abs(j-l));
            }
    }

// Printing the answer.
for (int i = 0; i < N; i++)
{
    for (int j = 0; j < M; j++)
        cout << ans[i][j] << " ";
}

}

// Driven Program
int main()
{
int T;
cin>>T;
while(T--){
int N,M;
cin>>N>>M;
int mat[N][M];
for(int i=0;i<N;i++)
for(int j=0;j<M;j++)
cin>>mat[i][j];
printDistance(mat);
}
return 0;
}
It shows me that N and M were not declared in void printDistance(int mat[N][M])
How can I declare it before hand when I am supposed to get it as input in my main

Sorry for this C++ 😦

But might be you guys can help as always:)

[dusky cliff]

if its anything like java, it should be void printDistance(int[][] mat)

or maybe void printDistance(int mat[][])

also please use codeblocks when posting code

[odd sphinx]

yes

[dusky cliff]

like so
```cpp
code
```

[odd sphinx]

precisely

[dusky cliff]

you're missing a few 69s in your username

[odd sphinx]

lol

[round moss]

you can't have VLAs in C++, no?

[jovial island]

i don't think you can

they are optional

afaik only standard that forces VLA's to exist is C99

[round moss]

huh, it does work in C++ with gcc, but not with msvc

[jovial island]

yes, gcc has all the non-mandotory stuff while msvc doesn't have any of em

gcc adds more awesome features too

[round moss]

even clang has VLAs

well, regardless, you can't have a VLA as a function parameter

[jovial island]

you have pointers

you know

int func(int *arr)
{
}```

and then you can pass

int arr[45] = {4};
func(arr);

[round moss]

you will also have to pass the size if you want it to be useful

but yes, that would work

[jovial island]

well yeah

[dusky cliff]

wait what
what does int arr[45] = {4}; do

create a 45 length array with 1 item?

[jovial island]

it creates a array of length 45 with all elements being 4

[odd sphinx]

yes

[dusky cliff]

o ic

[round moss]

it should create an array whose first element is 4 and the rest 0

[jovial island]

oh yeah, sorry

i just woke up

pfp change?

me, yes

it's been a while with the mordecai one

so i decided to change it

[echo fern]

I am! That's the pixelated image when I zoom in very far. And yes, that's doubles.

[echo fern]

how tho

[odd sphinx]

oh i see

using the number of iterations?

[echo fern]

like, what would each color mean

[odd sphinx]

the hue of each colour would map to the number of iterations

eh?

[echo fern]

currently I'm using the shade of gray to mark the iteration count

[odd sphinx]

yea

[echo fern]

uhh, but that'd literally be gray though

because all three colors would be the same

[odd sphinx]

no using hsv

[echo fern]

pub fn calculate_mandelbrot(
    x_min: F,
    x_max: F,
    y_min: F,
    y_max: F,
    width: u32,
    height: u32,
    max_iters: u32,
    horison: F,
    shades_max: u8,
) -> Array2<u8> {
    assert!(shades_max >= 1);
    let horison_sq = horison.powi(2);
    let fun = |(i, j), el: &mut u8| {
        let y = y_min + (i as F) * ((y_max - y_min) as F / height as F);
        let x = x_min + (j as F) * ((x_max - x_min) as F / width as F);
        let c: C = Complex::new(x, y);
        let mut z: C = Complex::default();
        let mut converged = true;
        let mut iter: u32 = 0;
        while iter < max_iters {
            z = z.powi(2) + c;
            if z.norm_sqr() >= horison_sq {
                converged = false;
                break;
            }
            iter += 1;
        }
        if !converged {
            let color: u8 = (iter as u8 % shades_max) * (255 / shades_max);
            *el = color;
        }
    };
    let mut img: Array2<u8> = Array2::zeros((height as usize, width as usize));
    Zip::indexed(&mut img).par_for_each(fun);
    img
}

here's my current impl

hmm, hsv... what'd be the hue, saturation and v?

[odd sphinx]

saturation full, lightness half and hue the number of iterations

[echo fern]

hmm

maybe, maybe

[odd sphinx]

lightness can be anything

except 0

cuz

well

[echo fern]

let's see what happens when I do that

might need to figure out how to make hsv images with image first though

or, rather, how to recode them into RGB

because I think it's easier to do on the Rust side than on the C# side

[odd sphinx]

are u using Bitmap in c#?

[echo fern]

yeah, I have to use WritableBitmap even because the normal one doesn't seem to support loading grayscale (1 byte/pixel) images

but with an RGB image I can probably use the normal one (passing it a stream made from the array)

ah, first I need to figure out how, in Rust, iterate only over 2 dimensions of an array...

[dusky cliff]

how many shades of grey

[jovial island]

50

1

[echo fern]

32 by default, you can see it in the video 😔

how long does it take to index one tiny package aaaaa

ah, I see, it's because of my sins

[sullen estuary]

yay! you replied to me

[echo fern]

I'm in color hell now

how does palette even work

and it wants float32 components, u8 is a no-no

[tranquil ridge]

wait whot

[echo fern]

            let color: f32 = (iter as u8 % shades_max) as f32 / shades_max as f32;
            let pxl: Hsv<Srgb, f32> = Hsv::from_components((color, 0.5f32, 1f32));
            let rgb: LinSrgb<u8> = LinSrgb::from(&pxl);
            el[0] = rgb.red;
            el[1] = rgb.green;
            el[2] = rgb.blue;

not pictured - the 10 errors I get from this snippet