ot2-the-original-pubsta

[odd sphinx]

ight

[dusky cliff]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/270/actually.jpg

there are no absolutes.

something could theoretically be in a state of superposition of duck and not duck

[civic sonnet]

but...

i thought we only know 1 and 0?

[nova ember]

I’m sensing that something is rigged about this photo

[real forum]

Wym lol

[nova ember]

The lighting of the duck seems... off

[real forum]

Never...

It's a 100% real life duck

[nova ember]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Something sketchy is clearly going on

[real forum]

I don't know what you mean gurkan

[nova ember]

Maybe I’m just confused

[real forum]

Yeah I think so

You probably just need some sleep or something

[nova ember]

There probably isn’t even a duck in the image

Definitely

[real forum]

No...

Stop lying

We should get @clever salmon to confirm that it's a real duck

Because we all know it's never wrong

[nova ember]

True. But if @clever salmon doesn’t answer, we must assume that it’s false, since it sees everything

[real forum]

Ahh you see, python automatically defaults to true, so...

[nova ember]

!e ```py
def python():
pass

print(python())

Let’s see if you’re right

[clever salmon]

@nova ember :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

None

[dusky cliff]

:O

[storm birch]

Detective Gurkan

[clever salmon]

The duck is a lie

[nova ember]

@real forum we have an answer

[dusky cliff]

detective @nova ember , your de-duck-tion was right!

[storm birch]

oh jeez that was good

[dusky cliff]

lol

[real forum]

NOOOOOO

I spent hours perfecting every small detail in the duck

[unreal sigil]

@storm birch I think we require !otn a duck-deducktion

[nova ember]

So you created the duck?

[storm birch]

perhaps

[real forum]

perhaps

[storm birch]

I am thinking more de-duck-tion

!otn a de-duck-tion

[clever salmon]

:ok_hand: Added de-duck-tion to the names list.

[dusky cliff]

yess

[storm birch]

I waited so long for this power tbh, I should use it more

[real forum]

How long did you wait?

[nova ember]

Ahhah, if we use it too much it won’t be as fun ;)

[dusky cliff]

my life is complete

[storm birch]

not very long in hindsight

[nova ember]

Lol you waited like a month

[storm birch]

I only have like one ot name

[rotund swallow]

Fisher became a mod pretty quickly after becoming helper

[dusky cliff]

:|

[storm birch]

!otn s fisher

[clever salmon]

Query results

• fisher’s-flight-lessons

[storm birch]

:C

[nova ember]

!otn s vester (aka dewit)

[storm birch]

!otn s vester

[clever salmon]

Query results

• christmas-vester
• sentimental-vester
• unmute-vester-in-7980-years
• vester-is-a-bot
• vesterbot-9000
• vester’s-duck-trap
• vester’s-epic-ot-names

[nova ember]

Hahaha

[dusky cliff]

lol

[storm birch]

!otn a vester-aka-dewit

[clever salmon]

:ok_hand: Added vester-aka-dewit to the names list.

[dusky cliff]

vester’s-epic-ot-names
that's a new level of meta lol

[storm birch]

I have become unstoppable

[unreal sigil]

I don't think any of the ones I've had added have my name in it

[storm birch]

well, we have no way of knowing your name, since you use such trickery

[nova ember]

Could you try searching for “vest” as well?

[real forum]

I'm proud to say I have added the what-are-gurkans name

Or something like that

[storm birch]

!otn s gurkan

[clever salmon]

Query results

• gurkan-cult
• gurkan-free-zone
• what-are-gurkans
• 𝖵estergurkan’s-class-class

[storm birch]

noice

we are growing powerful in the ot

ok last one

[nova ember]

Ooo right, I actually held that class class in ot

[storm birch]

!otn s vest

[clever salmon]

Query results

• christmas-vester
• sentimental-vester
• unmute-vester-in-7980-years
• vester-aka-dewit
• vester-is-a-bot
• vesterbot-9000
• vester’s-duck-trap
• vester’s-epic-ot-names
• vest’s-giant-bowtie

[storm birch]

haha, nice

[real forum]

How many total names are there?

[dusky cliff]

:O vester is a bot

[storm birch]

noooo, but xith is

[rotund swallow]

800+

[dusky cliff]

think someone said around 700-800 a few days ago

[storm birch]

TIL

I just spent a solid hour working on a website, only to decide I did not like any of my changes and ctrl+z all of them.... I regret everything

[nova ember]

#ot2-the-original-pubsta message

This is my class class hahah

[fluid plank]

git rekt by class vester

[storm birch]

haha, you found it

rekt by ronin

[fluid plank]

if u plan to create youtube content related to gurkult or python, i will follow u

[nova ember]

You should just hire a professional UI/UX designer to design the site before coding it :D

[storm birch]

I am not hiring you

for this

[nova ember]

:(

[storm birch]

haha

[nova ember]

(I don’t even have time for more projects)

[fluid plank]

git some --time

[storm birch]

me neither, and I also apparently lack all imagination

[real forum]

You should hire me

Because I know what I'm doing

[storm birch]

git reset TIME --hard

[real forum]

100%

[storm birch]

el oh el

little did you all know, this was a sting operation

!ban vester and chili !rule 6

[nova ember]

I have actually thought about that, but I’m thinking of pouring that effort into the PyDis YouTube channel. We’ll see 🙃

[storm birch]

no advertising and paid work

haha

[nova ember]

!rule 6

[clever salmon]

Rules

6. No spamming or unapproved advertising, including requests for paid work. Open-source projects can be shared with others in #python-general and code reviews can be asked for in a help channel.

[real forum]

Yeah maybe I should go now...

[storm birch]

:C

[nova ember]

I feel sorry for @and

[dusky cliff]

F

[storm birch]

lolol rip and

I shoud really learn how to do design

and spell

[nova ember]

You should! (Design)

It’s fun

[real forum]

Spelling is for weirdos

We are devs, we don't care

[fluid plank]

it is fun to manipulate (data)

[real forum]

We only care about capitalization

[storm birch]

I feel like is it silly to sit down and try to learn design. I have always been artistically challenged haha.

I suppose it is a skill like any other though

[nova ember]

Spelign iss furr wiedros

[real forum]

Just make colours go brrrr

[nova ember]

Yes! It very much is. You’ll learn by practicing

[storm birch]

It is really funny, some of my students appear to be masters of design, creating works of art with html and css in like a month.

Then I have students who have been doing it for six month and still submit a lime green background with red text and a blue navbar

[dusky cliff]

lol

[real forum]

@nova ember can you please host a design class

[storm birch]

I am part of the latter

[nova ember]

(Yes I’m flexing the animated emojis one last time)

[dusky cliff]

Oh you're a professor?

[storm birch]

oh yeah, bye bye animated emoji

at least for another year xD

[storm birch]

I wish haha, just a measly instructor for the childrens

[real forum]

Why, are you finally coming to your senses and not buying nitro anymore?

[dusky cliff]

imagine paying for emojis

[real forum]

Image

Better yet

[nova ember]

Nahhhh, you shouldn’t block your debit card again hahahaahh

[real forum]

Image paying for stickers

[edgy nebula]

i'd totally pay for nitro though, as a show of "support" because discord is easily the best chat app i've seen
if it didn't cost 10$ per month

[nova ember]

You can get classic for $5

[edgy nebula]

oh true

wait let me see if i can get it now lmao

[dusky cliff]

lol

[edgy nebula]

im still a little reluctant

[jovial island]

In [1]: __chili__
-------> __chili__()
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ValueError                                Traceback (most recent call last)
<ipython-input> in <module>
----> 1 __chili__()

ValueError: way too spicy

didn't know that dunder was an actual thing

[edgy nebula]

there seems to be a free month offer going on

[storm birch]

I just like the upload size with classic

[nova ember]

!e ```py
chili()

[real forum]

What fr?

[storm birch]

and pffffft, debit shmebit

[real forum]

One L

[dusky cliff]

>>> __chili__()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name '__chili__' is not defined

[clever salmon]

@nova ember :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | NameError: name '__chili__' is not defined

[storm birch]

yeah, pffft, wrong builtin

[edgy nebula]

lmao

[storm birch]

you can PR in on CPython

[jovial island]

python is borked for you all

[nova ember]

Shush, that’s the Swedish spelling

[storm birch]

lies

[edgy nebula]

3L's are too many L's

[storm birch]

I genuinely do not believe you

dont hide behind your swedism

[dusky cliff]

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

[nova ember]

Hahaah

[real forum]

DO NOT HIDE BEHIND THE LAND OF CUCUMBERS

[dusky cliff]

count the L's

[nova ember]

Chilli

[dusky cliff]

>>> "llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch".count("l")
11

[edgy nebula]

!e

print("llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch".count("l"))

[clever salmon]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[edgy nebula]

damnit

[dusky cliff]

i am speed

there's a 4 L streak in there

[jovial island]

wasnt the name changed

[edgy nebula]

oh shit i forgot to join class talk to you guys later

[dusky cliff]

lol
bye

[real forum]

Bye anand

Speaking of class, I need to wake up in five hours for class

[storm birch]

have fun in class

[jovial island]

wake up?

just dont sleep

[real forum]

I could, but even I have my limits

[storm birch]

pffft school

I finished that 😎

[nova ember]

Didn’t you sleep or are you just up early?

[real forum]

No, I have not slept yet.

[jovial island]

i wish our classes were at 1am

[storm birch]

I am creeping ever so slowly towards my eminent demise

[nova ember]

!sleep @real forum you need it

[real forum]

Mmm

[jovial island]

plot twist, the ping woke her up

[real forum]

What if I don't want to?

[storm birch]

I need a new status

[dusky cliff]

there are 35 results if you search for "sleep is for the weak" lmao

[nova ember]

Then I’ll make you

[real forum]

Uhh ohh

How

[nova ember]

You’ll find out quite soon

[real forum]

I'm now interested

[jovial island]

@dusky cliff just 35?

About 34,10,000 results (0.45 seconds)

[dusky cliff]

:|

[storm birch]

I have said it 8 times here

[real forum]

Vester hasn't spoken in more then five seconds, I'm getting worried

[storm birch]

I sleep use is arch for btw the weak

[dusky cliff]

yousa in big doodoo this time

[real forum]

Nice

[jovial island]

fisher is now async

[storm birch]

jarjar is bannable here, sorry I dont make the rules

jkjk

[dusky cliff]

lol

[real forum]

Jokes on you I'm not human

[nova ember]

Lol

[jovial island]

209 pings

get rid of them before you sleep

[storm birch]

I get quite similarly haunting messages sometimes

[real forum]

Uhh no

[nova ember]

Are you calling my messages haunting?

[storm birch]

yes

I thought that was obvious

[nova ember]

[storm birch]

haha

[real forum]

No to both sleeping and clearing my pings

[jovial island]

HOW DARE YOU.

pings are super annoying

[storm birch]

Every day I wake up to a barrage of pings and none of them are personally towards me

[real forum]

I thought so too, until I got more then 50

[jovial island]

oh, look i was the one pushing you, but i have 4k unread

[real forum]

Nice

[nova ember]

the life of a mod

[storm birch]

always has been

I use memes to retain my youth

[jovial island]

what is that resolution

[real forum]

Nice quality

[dusky cliff]

thanks

[real forum]

Yw

[dusky cliff]

Hello @storm birch . I hope you have a nice day. That is all. Thank you.

[storm birch]

thank you, except I am still awake

so I will still be drowned in a sea of vulgarity xD

[dusky cliff]

lol

[real forum]

Lol imagine sleeping

[dusky cliff]

I can't even imagine sleeping, bro

[real forum]

Sleep is for the weak

[nova ember]

Sleep is for the week, yes. And the week is always

[storm birch]

I really need to sleep but i dont wanna

[real forum]

Mood

So rn I'm just pretending I'm asleep so vester doesn't kill me

[storm birch]

its ok, vester is not real

at least I dont think he is, just a figment of our collective imaginations.... probably

[real forum]

Probably... hopefully...

[storm birch]

but you should sleep, lol

[real forum]

Ehh

I should but

[nova ember]

Sleep, or I’ll mute you again (though you have admin perms so it won’t affect anything)

[real forum]

Ruh roh

[storm birch]

I. Dare. You.

[jovial island]

moderators get admin perms?

[nova ember]

Another server hahah

[storm birch]

oh that one

I had this !mute @Vestergurkan#0001 999y rule 3 in my clipboard, just in case

[real forum]

Gurkult members rise up

[storm birch]

was about to be the fastest draw in the west

vest

oh yeah, that server

[dusky cliff]

🤔

[nova ember]

I meannn, I could mute you on at least two servers where it wouldn’t do much

[storm birch]

I can mute you in one where it will do much

im jk, I would never

[dusky cliff]

how many mutual servers are you on lmao

[storm birch]

A lot apparently

[nova ember]

Hahah yeah

[storm birch]

9

I counted

[rotund swallow]

They get explicit send permissions.

[nova ember]

But those are mostly kind of smaller ones

[storm birch]

I can mute this whole channel and make it a monologue 😏

[real forum]

Try it

[storm birch]

then be appropriately punished by all the other staff

[real forum]

^

[dusky cliff]

hmm

I love democracy

[real forum]

Guys I think I've done it

[dusky cliff]

prolly not democracy

[real forum]

I think I made everyone think I'm asleep

[storm birch]

LOLOL

you wouldnt even get the chance to ping 😏

jk plz dont tell on me

[dusky cliff]

there's always a bigger fish

yeah that's the sw ref i was looking for

[storm birch]

LOL

I got a ping for that

[real forum]

Let's take a second to look at your shitty font

[storm birch]

caught the filter

[rotund swallow]

huh?

[real forum]

*font

[nova ember]

I just realized something

[rotund swallow]

Mods control modmail

[jovial island]

that font kills me

[dusky cliff]

me 2

[rotund swallow]

what font yall talking about?

[fluid haven]

We don't control modmail.
We work together with it.

o god the jpeg in that image

[rotund swallow]

oh thats the browser version thats why

[rotund swallow]

😕

[dusky cliff]

no...

[edgy nebula]

i came back right on time to see that

[nova ember]

@real forum might actually just be calling her girlfriend. If the nick was valid python code, it would be calling she/her

[rotund swallow]

I am very confused on whats going on

[edgy nebula]

i use browser too, looks fine for me
oh wait i use at 75% zoom

[fluid haven]

There's a ton of artifacting around the text in chili's image, indicating a high compression jpeg

[real forum]

Dude I'm single and no one wants me. So I like the thinking, but it's wrong.

[oblique citrus]

@real forum ahhh the overlapping is killing me xd

[nova ember]

Bummer

[real forum]

Mmhm

It's fine, I strongly don't give any fucks

[dusky cliff]

the font you have
is terrible

[rotund swallow]

its the default font, idk what you are talking about

[nova ember]

Lol

[real forum]

Do you see nothing wrong with the photo?

[fluid haven]

Discord doesn't handle the fact that he zoomed in well.

[rotund swallow]

No

[real forum]

@nova ember do you not fuck with my PFP or something

[edgy nebula]

what i've been doing is gradually zooming out
i used 90% for a while, now at 75%. my mind just gets used to it

100% just looks jarringly big now

[rotund swallow]

its normal for me idk what yall are seeing

[dusky cliff]

why are you zooming out

[edgy nebula]

fit more info on the screen at once idk, without having to use compact mode

[dusky cliff]

hmm yes scrolling is hard innit

[real forum]

Ok I really should go to bed now shouldn't I

[dusky cliff]

no

[real forum]

Ok

Fuck waking up in four and a half hours

[fluid haven]

Why scroll?
Using mice is overrated.

[fluid plank]

who u

[nova ember]

I have no idea how to interpret that in a not-so-strange way

/nic

[real forum]

I'm talking about the reactions you put here #ot2-the-original-pubsta message

[storm birch]

yes, let the nihilism consume you

also you should sleep

also: good morning mr. Gurkan... I forgot to say that

[real forum]

Yeah. I'm a developer. Why tf would I need a partner?

[storm birch]

LOL exactly

[real forum]

even if I wanted one I wouldn't get one because uhh I'm me so...

[fluid plank]

🤔

[nova ember]

Ohhh, that was an answer to the screenshot that used the wrong pfp

[storm birch]

insert joke about my fiance leaving me == better developer skills

[real forum]

If you know, you know lol

[nova ember]

Morning mr. Fisher

[jovial island]

@real forum did you draw your pfp

[real forum]

No

[fluid plank]

no. u get a better partner

[jovial island]

i think ves animated his own pfp

[real forum]

*their, and yes, most do

[gentle gulch]

Who cares?

[jovial island]

and fisher has his dog in it

[nova ember]

Yep. When I got nitro I felt like it was fitting to have an animated pfp

[edgy nebula]

it looks super cool

[storm birch]

idk, yeah probably a lot do. I do not, but I can only speak for myself

[jovial island]

Stupid question but, can you animate from svg's?

[real forum]

That's wrong

[storm birch]

But what about my dev skills :C

[real forum]

Fuck those.

[fluid plank]

you already have it

[storm birch]

well that was a big 180

[real forum]

True lol

[storm birch]

my ex hated how much time I spent programming xD haha

tbf it is a lot of time

[hazy atlas]

I do know most of them aren't patrotic about there country.

[real forum]

Then you should get a girl that coding that it takes time and priority

[storm birch]

yeah, I should probs be single for awhile doe tbh. Although my programming is just a hobby

[real forum]

Ok so weird question, but like how old are you lol

[gentle gulch]

If you can't handle me at my l33test you don't deserve me at my best

[jaunty moon]

someon eplease help me

[storm birch]

many do, yeah. The country is fairly split right now though

[jaunty moon]

someone please help me

[real forum]

Not this dude again

[storm birch]

do not spam channels for help

[real forum]

He did this earlier today too

[edgy nebula]

solve the divide doesn't sound very easy though

[gentle gulch]

Ignored for being political and boring 😎

[jaunty moon]

Please help me

Someone

Can anyone help me ?

CAN ANYONE HELP
ME?????

[real forum]

Sure

[edgy nebula]

reserve a help channel #❓｜how-to-get-help , someone will help you if they can

[real forum]

He doesn't actually need help

[edgy nebula]

oh

[jaunty moon]

from google_images_download import google_images_download #importing the library

response = google_images_download.googleimagesdownload() #class instantiation

arguments = {"keywords":"Solar panel","limit":4,"print_urls":True, "aspect_ratio":"panoramic"} #creating list of arguments
paths = response.download(arguments) #passing the arguments to the function
print(paths) #printing absolute paths of the downloaded images
Guys Assalamualikum
What's the problem here ?
It results in these:
Item no.: 1 --> Item name = Solar panel
Evaluating...
Starting Download...

Unfortunately all 4 could not be downloaded because some images were not downloadable. 0 is all we got for this search filter!

Errors: 0

({'Solar panel': []}, 0)

Process finished with exit code 0
😩 Please help me

[fluid plank]

whut

[real forum]

Ohh

Maybe he doe

[gentle gulch]

With what?

[jaunty moon]

I am beginer

So please help em

[fluid plank]

he copy pasted code he didnt understand

[jaunty moon]

no

[fluid plank]

dont help

[jaunty moon]

I understand'

but lol

[storm birch]

!mute 792748774871138304 2d spamming is not the way to get help. Please do not ignore when a staff/moderator asks you to stop what you are doing.

[sick quail]

Can you stop spamming it everywhere and instead ask in one of the help channels

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @jaunty moon until 2021-01-27 09:02 (1 day and 23 hours).

[fluid plank]

lol then explain your problem

🤔

[jovial island]

I'm also pretty sure that google_images_download violates Google's TOS

[fluid plank]

do a survey i guess

[real forum]

Is someone deleting his messages or something?

[hazy atlas]

Sorry for lying sorry.

[real forum]

Goodnight pydis!

[storm birch]

gn, good, go sleep haha

[real forum]

Haha yeah this is gonna be a fun morning

4 hours of sleep and a dream

[scarlet sinew]

i do agree that ducks, in fact, are not real.

but chimkins are

[nova ember]

Fo some reason, I read that as “chimneys”

[jovial island]

are there more rules then just #rules or? also I love the third mod in the little ad

[rotund swallow]

there is #code-of-conduct

[round moss]

and also the often unread and wilfully ignored https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources/guides/off-topic-etiquette/

[jovial island]

https://discord.com/guidelines

I found more guide lines

number 15 is amazing

[odd sphinx]

lol same

[keen burrow]

12. You may not operate a server that sells or facilitates the sales of prohibited or potentially dangerous goods.

This server is illegal

Python is too powerful

You have to contain it

You can even time travel!

pip install guidos_time_machine

[fallow violet]

akarys, top level stand-up comedy

[keen burrow]

Hey, that’s an actually PyPi package

Submitted by GvR himself

[edgy nebula]

i'm googling that but i'm 101% expecting a rick roll for some reason

oh wow it is real

[keen burrow]

lol yes

https://discuss.python.org/t/python-3-7-7rc1-is-now-available-for-testing/3638

[gentle gulch]

No

[keen burrow]

I hope you don’t

[real forum]

Good morning guys

[edgy nebula]

oh you're awake

[real forum]

Mmhm

[edgy nebula]

wait this means 4 hours or so are already over?

[real forum]

Yeah

It's been four hours

[edgy nebula]

i've just realized i wasted the past 4 hours

[real forum]

Nice

[dusky cliff]

fuck
me too

[rotund swallow]

Wow that was wayy too little sleep

[unreal sigil]

four hours

how are you alive

[real forum]

ehh thats like normal for me

[unreal sigil]

oh dear

[real forum]

ok tbf its normally 4 and a half to five hours, but thats not the point

[rotund swallow]

5 hours is really not enough, at least try to get 6 hours

at least

[keen burrow]

At least 8, please

haha

[fallow violet]

lol I am a rebel

I sleep 7 hours and 30 minutes

[urban sun]

Some people sleep more than others

[fallow violet]

because some people NEED more sleep than others

[urban sun]

exactly, and some need less, people do what they do

[keen burrow]

That’s a plain lie, sir

[urban sun]

IDK about that

[keen burrow]

You just adapted to having not enough sleep

[urban sun]

so different people have different needs?

Once you've adapted your needs have changed, no?

That's what adapting means?

need is a very strong word

a very often misused word

as not having a need should result in death

otherwise it's a want, a like to have, a convenience

oxygen and water, those are needs

sleep in general, I'd call a need

X hours specifically?

Some people need 12 or more, they have what some call medical conditions, some people sleep for near months at a time

I don't like to generalize, saying we 'all' need something, life is far too resilient, it has very few 'needs'

Ideally we'd all get a healthy night's rest, proper nutrition, time for exercise, and not enough stress to kill an elephant.

but we don't

[fallow violet]

holy shit a fricking novel @keen burrow

[rotund swallow]

at least?
no
average, ye

[fallow violet]

my mother makes me turn off the light at 10pm but I only end up sleeping at 12 bcoz I cant sleep. I just lay in bed, looking at the ceiling, for 2 hours.

[rotund swallow]

lol

[urban sun]

sounds like a waste of 2 hours, get some books

[fallow violet]

I rethink the stupid things I did that day, in those 2 hours

[fallow violet]

lol lights off

[urban sun]

get bitten by a radioactive cat to develop night vision

||Don't do that||

[fallow violet]

I'm in a different room tho, but my mama will know coz the light goes below the door outside which the other room will recieve

[timber tangle]

Did you ever try to think about nothing this two hours?)

[fallow violet]

no

I think about crazy shit

[keen burrow]

That should be harmless actually

The cat already absorbed everything

[fallow violet]

life's deepest regrets come back at that time

[urban sun]

Cat bites? They might give you cat bite fever

or is it cat scratch fever and bites are safe?

[keen burrow]

Hmm

[urban sun]

radioactive cat bite fever

[keen burrow]

Well, it depends on the bite

[urban sun]

That's what gives the night vision

[fallow violet]

thinking about nothing = boring.

[urban sun]

radioactive cat scratch fever gives the deaths

[fallow violet]

you mean meditating?

[urban sun]

so it's a dangerous game

[keen burrow]

Well

[urban sun]

but night vision!

[keen burrow]

You can have a contact with a living that has been exposed to radiations

[timber tangle]

I don't think so because it can be really hard.

[keen burrow]

It is harmless

It is more complicated for objects though

[urban sun]

Netflix has a neat guide on meditating

[fallow violet]

it is. but my mother said when I was little that if you wanna sleep, think about nothing

[urban sun]

definitely a good idea if you have nothing else to do

and it is hard to not think

harder than letting random thoughts float by\

[fallow violet]

when do u sleep

[dusky cliff]

at night

[fallow violet]

welp, killed it again

[fallow violet]

yeah funny

at what time

[timber tangle]

Well it can be some sort of concentration training. Quite useful thing.

[dusky cliff]

nighttime

[fallow violet]

ooh

if you dont wanna say you can just say that you dont want to say (hahastinkyshit)

[jovial island]

Heyyy

Rocky is back from the dear

[fallow violet]

@timber tangle hey bro I lost my internet for 2 minutes so dont think I sent the above message to you, I meant it to be for hahastinky, 🥲

[timber tangle]

ok)

[fallow violet]

cause I replied to your message and then sent another message so It might seem like I sent to you but naah.

[fallow violet]

ok whats up!

[jovial island]

Yes

I see the tracksuit

Slav gopnik indedd

[fallow violet]

heeh

[dusky cliff]

lol

ok.

[fallow violet]

haha.

I will call you lolsmellyshit from now on

everthing is a synonym

@dusky cliff

@surreal lichensmellyshit

oh no who did I accidentally ping

akarys whats the new trend with those 2 guys and your username

lol akarys is joking about php now

[timber mango]

@​everyone

[fallow violet]

bruh

you pinged everyone

[timber mango]

no, I used Unicode trick

[fallow violet]

lol ok

mods will get message

that u pinged

right

[timber mango]

there is a 0 width space

0 size space between @ and e

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

​

[timber mango]

@fallow violet do you think this message is possible?

[fallow violet]

wtf

empty message

[fallow violet]

genius

[timber mango]

it's not empty

[fallow violet]

yea, but visually empty

sebastian changed his name

[timber mango]

@​moderators

see?

Unicode is god of text

[timber mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty-morgan-freeman-i-am-god-hello-hey-gif-4743445

[fallow violet]

holy shit

no. bro what are you doing

very funny 😆

[timber mango]

uhh

[keen burrow]

Mhm?

[timber mango]

you pinged him

[fallow violet]

joe isnt at the top of the list anymore

[fallow violet]

?

[fallow violet]

how to do this, tell me

what do I type

[timber mango]

@fallow violet just paste that between @ and n

[fallow violet]

paste what

[timber mango]

this

copy text and paste

[fallow violet]

I cant see that mesage

[timber mango]

just copy text it

[fallow violet]

but I wanna try in other server

no

\u what

[fallow violet]

ok dude it will work yes or no?

caus I dont wanna accidentally ping the mods

[timber mango]

first test with yourself

[fallow violet]

ok

how to ping myself

that unicode character is what

[timber mango]

​

this

[fallow violet]

I cant copy it

[timber mango]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_space#:~:text=a legitimate one.-,Encoding,the groff representation is \%3A .

[fallow violet]

yea how to type it

[timber mango]

paste it

[fallow violet]

i have been asking for many time

s

from where to copy and how

[jovial island]

​

[timber mango]

@fallow violet , in that Wikipedia page, copy the text between, paranthesis

[jovial island]

I got it!

​

[fallow violet]

​

[jovial island]

​

[fallow violet]

not working

[jovial island]

​

[fallow violet]

hey @timber mango

[fallow violet]

...

U+200B

\U+200B

[timber mango]

ugh, just search that Unicode to copy

[fallow violet]

but I dont see it

The zero-width space character is encoded in Unicode as U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE (HTML ​ ·  ​).[6]

The TeX representation is \hskip0pt; the LaTeX representation is \hspace{0pt};[7] and the groff representation is \:.[8]

Its semantics and HTML implementation are similar to the soft hyphen, except that soft hyphens display a hyphen character at the point where the line is broken.

what do I copy

[jovial island]

how to insert unicode here‽

[dusky cliff]

impressive

[keen burrow]

Well, the whole point is that you can’t see it

[timber mango]

@fallow violet https://coolsymbol.com/zero-width-space-joiner-non-joiner-ltr-rtl-lrm-rlm-characters-symbols.html

[fallow violet]

stonesteel not troll me please

ok

The zero-width space character is encoded in Unicode as U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE (HTML ​ · ​).[6]

The TeX representation is \hskip0pt; the LaTeX representation is \hspace{0pt};[7] and the groff representation is :.[8]

Its semantics and HTML implementation are similar to the soft hyphen, except that soft hyphens display a hyphen character at the point where the line is broken.

oh sorry

[timber mango]

@fallow violet I swear, I am not trolling

[fallow violet]

​

hehe bwoi

@​owner

@​moderators

[timber mango]

https://tenor.com/view/irongiant-coolsville-welcome-to-downtown-gif-11935184

[fallow violet]

crainj

[timber mango]

@fallow violet being nerd is not bad at all man

[fallow violet]

not bad*

[fast wyvern]

what is the preferred editor for most people?

[dusky cliff]

vscode and pycharm

[fast wyvern]

interesting

I like vs19 on windows and vim on linux

[dusky cliff]

I've never got around to properly learning VS

I've used it with Unity

but never really experimented much

[fast wyvern]

I got it because of winforms and then kept it for python

i might someday move to vscode tho

[nova ember]

We have 130,000 nerds around here

[proven haven]

and you're all killing my cpu

[rotund swallow]

If this the only server you are in then only that accusation is valid

[proven haven]

It’s not the only server i’m in, but I think it has more users than the combined user count of the rest of my servers

By quite a margin

[terse jackal]

I’d want to affirm that ducks are not real

The earth is flat guys

And vaccines are made with human poop

Ew

[naive finch]

government drones

[real forum]

the duck in the photo I sent last night was real. I swear.

[terse jackal]

Impossible!! You are obviously a person payed by the strong powers to make us think that but indeed that is not true, instead, share the right knowledge spreading that 5G generated the COVID and that aliens exist, that’s true, once i have been kidnapped by them

[fast wyvern]

so have I... what powers their capital ship?

is it bubble mix?

[terse jackal]

Its everything a conspiracy

[fast wyvern]

huh

I could have sworn it was bubble mix

[jovial island]

terry davis

[round moss]

@trail nymph Common Lisp has a surprisingly large ecosystem, and can be very performant, as well as being quite good at writing parsers and overall being a great language. In terms of being exactly better at something than other languages there isn't a whole lot. There is also quite a bit of legacy BS since the lang is ancient

[jovial island]

What’s a good name for a bot

[blazing sand]

maybe

[storm birch]

please stick to one channel, no need to send the same message a bunch of places

[jovial island]

Did I send that in other channels?

[echo fern]

[real forum]

lol

[jovial island]

I don’t see any messages in any of the other channels saying that

[echo fern]

Search for yourself? from: UnknownError#0101.

[urban sun]

no need to deny it, it's easier to just apologize and move on 🙂 I wanted to say something ebcause I normally check the OT channels, and it was disappointing to see not activity, but asks for a bot name

[tall temple]

>>> import activity
Exception in "<string>" line 1:
ResourceError: insufficient people

[jovial island]

Why would I apologize for something I don’t know I did?

Nothing is there when I search myself up except for in ot2-keyboard-caught-in-ceiling-fan

[fluid plank]

hmmm

[jovial island]

But I apologize for what I have done whatever that is

[dusky cliff]

can someone suggest a fancy word for "bad"

War is _______

ugh english projects are stupid

guess i'll go with 'dreadful'

[devout wadi]

what I think is. Why learn my first language again and again and again. rather would learn a new language. Only reason i need to use the insane english is for an english major or if I want to study that in college. So leave it for that Ive learnt my language already, rather move on.

[proper python]

whats the name of that machine learning model that takes in images and then creates something that it thinks will fit the image group?

[jovial island]

Image Recognition?

convolutional neural networks

[proper python]

well, kinda

wait that sounds about right

no, thats not exactly right

im looking for a model that takes a dataset, learns, and then is able to create something that would be in that dataset

it doesnt classify what an element would be, it creates new elements with characteristics from data set elements

[worldly berry]

the one by open ai?

if so, it's dall-e

[proper python]

no no not that

dall-e is based off of what im talking about

im talking about the kind of model that, as an example, takes a set of photos of different people and can create a new person

[steel eagle]

GANs?

[proper python]

yeah, thats the one

[timber mango]

https://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com

[fallow violet]

Ai generated faces?

holy shit it looks very real

[unreal sigil]

That's GPT3 right?

actually nevermind no it's not I don't think

[fallow violet]

very cool tho

GAN?

[unreal sigil]

I don't believe GPT3 is capable of that, since it's just meant for natural language processing stuff

[fallow violet]

woah

Imagined by a GAN (generative adversarial network)
StyleGAN2 (Dec 2019) - Karras et al. and Nvidia
Don't panic. Learn how it works [1] [2] [3]
Help this AI continue to dream | Contact me
Code for training your own [original] [simple] [light]
Art • Cats • Horses • Chemicals
Another

[unreal sigil]

The cats one is pretty cool

[timber mango]

gpt3 is used only for text to text, dall-e is used for text to image

[unreal sigil]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[lucid osprey]

whats poppin

[timber mango]

but gan has very big percentage of going wrong like, making fake passports, making fake ID card

[unreal sigil]

lmao

[timber mango]

possibly making fake signed checks

[unreal sigil]

that's wild

[timber mango]

so, you know

[unreal sigil]

@sturdy relic What are you using to draw your arrows and whatnot if you don't mind me asking? You seem to be able to do it quite fast

[sturdy relic]

i use a few based on OSes

now im in windows, and i use ShareX

its pretty fast

ctrl + printscreen
draw stuff
enter

and i get both image and url in my clipboard

on linux i use... ermm... lighthead.... something like that

[unreal sigil]

Ah yeah I need to set a better keybind on my desktop

[sturdy relic]

and on macOS i use Sketch

what os are you on Jack?

lightshot is the linux one

[unreal sigil]

I'm on my laptop at the moment, MacOS

My desktop runs manjaro

so I'll have a look at lightshot

[sturdy relic]

skitch is better imho

it has a nicer interface

and nicer dynamic arrows

[unreal sigil]

I'll check them out

[sturdy relic]

if you search a year back you will see me using it

[odd sphinx]

i wish win shift s had arrow drawing

[sturdy relic]

same @odd sphinx

thats why i use a third party

[odd sphinx]

rn wht i do is draw a weird oval around the focused part

nice

[odd sphinx]

yes

that works

[dusky cliff]

ez

[tranquil ridge]

you can use flameshot too

[odd sphinx]

lol

[sturdy relic]

i did not like the flameshot interface

[odd sphinx]

its testing my artistic ability

[tranquil ridge]

ah

[dusky cliff]

hmm drawing arrows requires immense expertise

[odd sphinx]

hmm

but having that option is still better

[orchid panther]

@tawny stone

[lucid osprey]

I am seeing eivl evil in the off topic for the first time

[pliant trench]

hm

[real forum]

He used to chat here a lot more

[scarlet sable]

Hi- is somebody of you working in a company and have been responsible for 'email to customers' ?

Please come on chat with me for 400 seconds :|

[timber mango]

@scarlet sable why?

[scarlet sable]

Going to do a startup on it, will be immensely helpful to get my problem validated

[timber mango]

are going to create a application, which makes that process easy?

[scarlet sable]

The general idea is that there is a server which waits for incoming hits, and does something's when a change in parameter value happens, but yeah I will make a cli

for the simplest usecase

It's more product than tech

Like curl

But 10000 times smaller

[timber mango]

I fear that your idea of 'emailing to customers' is already implemented many times

[scarlet sable]

Oh I do not know then about it

[timber mango]

just search about it in google

[scarlet sable]

Can you tell me, because I did search, but the solutions can be for India... And I only saw very big products... Should I screenshot....

[timber mango]

yeah

that will be good @scarlet sable

[scarlet sable]

Sorry

[timber mango]

what happened?

@scarlet sable , the prices are high because, they are normally used by big companies, which can offord that price

[scarlet sable]

When a customer books a ticket on your website, don't we run code and have an email text saved somewhere or is it saved with third party like sendgrid.

Second.
Even if it stored on third party, do you have good product sense involved in that solution for developers

[timber mango]

hmmm, you must talk this topic in #career-advice why because, it's serious topic

[scarlet sable]

Okay

[timber mango]

and, there are many experienced people are there

[scarlet sable]

👍

[timber mango]

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[sage sparrow]

Hi, people. I'm trying to create a contact list. A simple project to test my advance with HyperSkills contents. I don't know how to manipulate json. Do you know a good (simple and 'clear') site where I can learn it?

[scarlet sable]

This was an indie project for me. Indies aren't perfectly serious 😀

[sage sparrow]

Yep.

Just for fun.

[scarlet sable]

Oh my god

No

I was saying to mr. @timber mango

[sage sparrow]

Oh! Sorry. >_<"

[scarlet sable]

Me sorry as well

[timber mango]

its ok then

[odd sphinx]

im wondering

how did a keyboard get stuck in a ceiling fan

[jovial island]

The plot

[odd sphinx]

i see

[timber mango]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-repetition-cute-funny-kermit-gif-3535744

like this

[odd sphinx]

bruh

[proper python]

What version of monopoly doesn’t exist yet?

Like there’s fucking Mario monopoly

The undertale version is coming sooner or later

Cant wait to roll fat, land on a chance space, get a have a bad time card and lose all my papyrus bucks

[timber mango]

are you trying to win human random sentence generator award?

[proper python]

But what would be the characters you can play as?

Obviously frisk and chara

But would sans be playable?

Or would he be the cop?

Wait no

Papyrus would be the cop

Sans would be the monopoly man

No wait monopoly man would be asriel

And then sans would be the guy that sells you the propert um

[primal comet]

this is my weirdest mate

it was definitely an accident

[lament kestrel]

Maybe sans plays as the chairman idk

[lament kestrel]

After I spent a half-hour playing Getting Over It

Lmao

[quaint summit]

Im playing this game

[cedar leaf]

Hey, my channel name came up!

[nova ember]

Nicee!

[odd sphinx]

lmao

[fluid plank]

i think i should try playing gameboy games in this tincan

[keen burrow]

Monopoly Python Discord, at least not yet

[unreal sigil]

making a new notion page rn

[jovial island]

If only there was a way to regex search/lock all subpages in a page

[dusky cliff]

doesn't sound impossible 🤔

[bitter kite]

When that becomes a thing I'll buy it.

[jovial island]

kinda wiered but ok

[dusky cliff]

instead of jail, you go to tempban

parking lot replaced by ot channels

when you 'buy' help channel it becomes occupied, if other people land there they gotta pay interruption tax

[celest field]

at some point, they can't continue to pay property tax. So that channel will be available soon enough.

[dusky cliff]

wdym

if A lands on B's occupied channel, A pays B tax

[celest field]

So A is like the government lol

B*

[dusky cliff]

well yeah, but if B then lands on A's channel, B has to pay him back

unless

no nvm

[timber mango]

so, you guys are starting to play monopoly game?

[dusky cliff]

we're trying to figure out the rules

[timber mango]

.snake

[rustic harbor]

.[snakes|snake] 

Commands from our first code jam.

Commands:
  about    Show an embed with information about the event, its participants, ...
  antidote Antidote! Can you create the antivenom before the patient dies?
  card     Create an interesting little card from a snake.
  draw     Draws a random snek using Perlin noise.
  fact     Gets a snake-related fact.
  get      Fetches information about a snake from Wikipedia.
  guess    Snake identifying game.
  hatch    Hatches your personal snake.
  movie    Gets a random snake-related movie from TMDB.
  name     Snakifies a username.
  quiz     Asks a snake-related question in the chat and validates the user's...
  sal      Play a game of Snakes and Ladders.
  snakify  How would I talk if I were a snake?
  video    Gets a YouTube video about snakes.
  zen      Gets a random quote from the Zen of Python, except as if spoken by...

Type .help command for more info on a command.
You can also type .help category for more info on a category.

[timber mango]

who wants snake and ladder?

nobody?

ok then

.snake video

[odd sphinx]

9

[pliant trench]

6

[fallow violet]

nope

[clever salmon]

Hey @surreal trout!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.exe). We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .mkv, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .afdesign, .m4a, .csv.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[merry rose]

@rain flume where else have you seen me? 🤔

[rain flume]

Uhh

[rain flume]

Here?

[merry rose]

Oh right lol

Good luck with the rest of your project anyway!

[rain flume]

Thank youuuu.

[gleaming thistle]

Wanna play??

[valid sage]

How do I fix unused variable guild

[sage sparrow]

I have 2 points to solve, but I just got stucked.

1. I'm trying to store some user data (id, nick, age, city, [medias: X, Y, Z]) in a JSON file.
   For while, I'm creating a new file to each new user.

2. After creating a single json file with all users, I'll need to search by ID and recover that data.

Any blessed soul could teach me or send me materials about it?

[urban sun]

use the json module

it'll convert the json to a dictionary

which you can then modify as you wish, and reconvert to json when you're all done

https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html

You don't need a new file for each user, you can have a dictionary in the dictionary

first level would be {'name' : {datadictionary}, 'next' :{theirdictionary, ...}}

https://docs.python.org/3/library/shelve.html good way to store the data

if you don't want a json

though it is basically a json, since it is just a dictionary too

[sage sparrow]

@urban sun - Thank u!

[serene oar]

should i make another repository for my projects? :monkaHmm: i dont know what to dohttps://github.com/Xzlaynveir-Deirdre/Script-Archive is where my current one is

[limber pollen]

One per project is a common pattern

Although some prefer having a massive repository for notes

[simple shale]

Why the internet broke 🤔

[rotund swallow]

because of eivl

[nova ember]

True

[dusky cliff]

gosh darnit eivl, not again

[nova ember]

I think this name was actually from the Google outage though

When it felt like everything on the internet had broken

[keen burrow]

Yeeeepppp

[timber mango]

i always, miss when google goes out

[timber mango]

anybody here?

[keen burrow]

Probably haha

[fallow violet]

hello

how is everyone

[timber mango]

hello

[rigid echo]

good

[sturdy tinsel]

GME...LOL

[odd sphinx]

lol

[jovial island]

Ah

Let me just set up

!e ```py
internet_breakage_reason = 'eivl'

!e ```py
bisk_still_gone = True

[dusky cliff]

last seen 24 days ago

F

[keen burrow]

@jovial island please do not spam in all 3 channels

[somber mantle]

[halcyon tiger]

why did you silence the discord.py channel @round moss

[round moss]

there was a bad msg that was already deleted

[halcyon tiger]

ok

[jovial island]

yes

[urban sun]

What's your favorite VIM tutor?

Who maybe?

[fluid haven]

@heavy stream For negative numbers you are just multiplying it with their positive counterpart

Going down untill they are so big they cause a memory error

[heavy stream]

Ah

Understood

My bad.

[fluid haven]

-4 -> - 16 -> -256 etc

[heavy stream]

I have just fixed it anyways, by using

return 0 - factorial(0 - base, precision=precision)

instead of

return 0 - factorial(base * (0 - base), precision=precision

[storm birch]

@cedar forge

[cedar forge]

Ah ok

What do i post about here?

[storm birch]

this is a not currently active off-topic channel. It can be appropriate to share your python projects here, as long as you are not advertising.

This is for things not-python or generally not fitting any of our topics here. It is not for posting random memes or videos though. It does need to follow some sort of relevant topic most of the time

[cedar forge]

So can i post my game menu?

Oh

[storm birch]

Yeah, I do not see a problem with it.

it is important to note, though, that you cannot advertise your stuff here. I.e you cannot say play my new game and drop a link with the video

but it is ok to showcase your project here if you would like

[cedar forge]

Ok :)

I dont plan on releasing it as I have just started programming python about 2 weeks ago actually ha

[storm birch]

haha, very cool. It is looking great! 😄

[cedar forge]

ty :D

I’ve used the Pythonista 3 Examples and tweaked the code so it said the name of my game.

[celest field]

Did you have any experience with other languages or framework before python 2 weeks ago?

The menu looks great.

[serene oar]

Anything I'm missing?

[dusky cliff]

Working with databases

[serene oar]

Thanks i just remembered that

[timber mango]

reading and writing files

[serene oar]

Done with that

[timber mango]

flask basics?

[serene oar]

Probably nope

[steel eagle]

it really depends what you want to do

once you have the basics down you should just be learning the modules that are relevant to your goals

[timber mango]

instead of unit testing, just use assert keyword, its the same

[steel eagle]

what?

that's horrible advice

and not true

[serene oar]

Machine learning

[steel eagle]

testing is a very important part of any sort of development

and just throwing some assert statements into a program is not the same as testing

[serene oar]

[steel eagle]

and bad practice, anyway, as assert statements can be disabled very easily with a flag

[viral hare]

well asserts make debugging a bit easier

[serene oar]

I dont know what assert states ment are

[steel eagle]

they can be used for debugging yes, but they're not a replacement for actual tests

and shouldn't be kept in production code, usually

[serene oar]

Btw what else is a good practice like using following pep8

[dusky cliff]

I don't even need to debug 😎

[serene oar]

And conventions

[serene oar]

No debug needed
Code:

print("hello world")```

[steel eagle]

I don't follow pep8 really, I was using black for some projects but later decided I don't like it, I stick to my own conventions

[serene oar]

[steel eagle]

good practice is just following reasonable principles, whether it's pep8, google's codestyle, using black, or whatever you prefer

[serene oar]

Any good practice you know?

[dusky cliff]

wash your hands before eating

[steel eagle]

the zen of python has a lot of good advice there

!zen

[clever salmon]

The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

[viral hare]

my opinion about zen

some sht is really vague

[steel eagle]

...that's the entire point

if it weren't vague, it wouldn't be applicable in general.

As you learn python and develop more, it all makes sense

even if it might not at first

[serene oar]

.

[timber mango]

after seeing many unit testing examples, its only fancy work

@serene oar and also learn every keyword and its uses

[serene oar]

Keyword?

What do you mean

[timber mango]

and A logical operator
as To create an alias
assert For debugging
break To break out of a loop
class To define a class
continue To continue to the next iteration of a loop
def To define a function
del To delete an object
elif Used in conditional statements, same as else if
else Used in conditional statements
except Used with exceptions, what to do when an exception occurs
False Boolean value, result of comparison operations
finally Used with exceptions, a block of code that will be executed no matter if there is an exception or not
for To create a for loop
from To import specific parts of a module
global To declare a global variable
if To make a conditional statement
import To import a module
in To check if a value is present in a list, tuple, etc.
is To test if two variables are equal
lambda To create an anonymous function
None Represents a null value
nonlocal To declare a non-local variable
not A logical operator
or A logical operator
pass A null statement, a statement that will do nothing
raise To raise an exception
return To exit a function and return a value
True Boolean value, result of comparison operations
try To make a try...except statement
while To create a while loop
with Used to simplify exception handling
yield To end a function, returns a generator

these

are the

[steel eagle]

was that really neccesary

[timber mango]

without keywords, you cant understand code

[steel eagle]

yes but you didn't need to post the wall of text of ALL of them

[dusky cliff]

she meant the wall of text lol

[timber mango]

just copy paste

[steel eagle]

yes and that was wholly unnecessary and spammy :)

[timber mango]

@serene oar and also learn all inbuilt functions

[steel eagle]

uh oh my CPU is at 100% again

compiling C is annoying