ot1-perplexing-regexing

[crystal spruce]

from like some integral

x^2n e^-x^2 I think

from 1 to infty

I've tried to use generating functions

turned it into a diff eq

and the answer uses like erfi and incomplete gamma function

I would try to continue but I have personal things to deal with

I'll see if it gets anywhere tmr

[high verge]

i got banned from github for some reason

[uneven pine]

I wonder what that reason could be...

[uneven pine]

I mean yes. Being the Original Poster of something that violated their TOS would surely do it.

Incorrect

I think the term you're looking for is "Overpowered"

But it's still not why the kid got banned from GitHub.

That's probably sadder.

[young shoal]

[civic pasture]

[high verge]

i would appreciate it if you didnt belittle me

[young shoal]

bannable imo

average local wolfgirl toxicity

[jovial oriole]

Why

[high verge]

dunno yet. github hasnt replied to my ticket

[jovial oriole]

They wont do that for no reason

Check email

[high verge]

i have no emails about this

[hybrid root]

Did you just commit a lot all at once or sth?

[tardy rain]

They dont ban for unreasonable commits

They probably ban for spamming their shit

[jovial oriole]

ratelimiting?

[hybrid root]

that's what i meatn

[high verge]

no? i was browsing github in the morning starring repos i found interesting and adding them to my lists when all of a sudden i started getting 403 forbidden errors everywhere

[jovial oriole]

did you send zipbomb.png

i mean a zipbomb like this but png form

[high verge]

i was on github for like 5 minutes this morning before i got banned

[hybrid root]

huh, i cant open your gh account from your discord connection

wack

[high verge]

yeh im temporarily moving my stuff to gitlab

best temporary solution i could find tbh i dont wanna make a new acc on github and get banned permanently for trying to get around the first ban

https://gitlab.com/yntha-pylib/cstruct

[high verge]

god i love this project. what would normally require me to write hundreds of lines can now be reduced to tens

btw gonna make it so that if you define a on_read function in the cstruct class it'll get invoked once the class has been read so you can do some post processing

[young shoal]

how do you know you're banned again?

[high verge]

i login and im greeted with a account suspension notice

[young shoal]

oof

[high verge]

also my profile is gone if you check my gh on my discord acc

[young shoal]

told you it was your fault with the 403s ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high verge]

cares

[rough sapphire]

rate my drawing

[grave cove]

[young shoal]

just say the word and i'll leak the chats

[civic pasture]

@grave cove I decided to go to NJIT

Masters in Computer Science with Thesis

[grave cove]

do not leak the chats

like actually

[civic pasture]

lol

[grave cove]

where's that

New Jersey?

[civic pasture]

New Jersey Institute of Technology

They are the only online program with thesis option

[grave cove]

nice 👍 not familiar with them but sounds like you'll like it!

[civic pasture]

😁

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Institute_of_Technology

It operates the Big Bear Solar Observatory, home of the Goode Solar Telescope; the Owens Valley Radio Observatory (both in California); and a suite of automated observatories across Antarctica, South America and the US.[21][22]

This is so cool!

[grave cove]

Isn't njit like numba JIT

[civic pasture]

lol

[sterile sapphire]

nice school!!

best of luck dude

you’ll do well

[civic pasture]

Thank you sir

[spare oriole]

i think it literally is

they call it njit lol

rather than saying numba jit

[soft violet]

I think it stands for nopython.

As in a strict adherence to the set of things numba likes to use.

@numba.njit being an alias for @numba.jit(nopython=True) I believe.

[civic pasture]

Wow this is good @spare oriole

[spare oriole]

very nice.

only downside i see about NJIT is that it's in new jersey

[civic pasture]

Well this is online @spare oriole

[spare oriole]

hmmm, why online?

[civic pasture]

Cuz easier for me lol

OMG @spare oriole

should I switch to MS AI?

https://catalog.njit.edu/graduate/computing-sciences/data-science/artificial-intelligence-ms/

[spare oriole]

personally i'd say no, but idk what your goals are

[civic pasture]

I wanna be in an ML engineer

with NLP focus

honestly CS is better

😄

Im staying with CS

[spare oriole]

are you wanting to do a lot of math / theoretical work?

or applied.

[civic pasture]

applied

😄

[spare oriole]

are you aware CS is mainly theoretical?

[civic pasture]

oh o.O

well NJIT has an AI specialization

https://catalog.njit.edu/graduate/computing-sciences/computer-science/ms/

I wanna take CS 610, CS 630, CS 656 and CS 675

CS 670
DS 669
CS 677
CS 732
CS 782

CS 681

these are the courses I wanna take

😄

I can probably ask them if I could take an NLP class too

😄

[spare oriole]

https://catalog.njit.edu/graduate/computing-sciences/computer-science/software-engineering-ms/

see if this has the courses you wanna take too.

[civic pasture]

CS Masters has a Software Engineering specialization too

I would probably take CS 673
Software Design and Production Methodology

Im trying to stay away from courses that requires me to learn C++ or C @spare oriole

[spare oriole]

welp, then you're going about it the wrong way imo

i think ML uses a lot of C/C++

[civic pasture]

Nah

its mostly Python

They require Python knowledge

CS 675. Machine Learning. 3 credits, 3 contact hours.
Pre-requisites: Basic probability, linear algebra, computer programming (Python), and graduate or undergraduate senior standing, OR approval of instructor. This course is an introduction to machine learning and contains both theory and applications. Students will get exposure to a broad range of machine learning methods and hands on practice on real data. Topics include Bayesian classification, perceptron, neural networks, logistic regression, support vector machines, decision trees, random forests, boosting, dimensionality reduction, unsupervised learning, regression, and learning new feature spaces. There will be several programming assignments, one course project, one mid-term and one final exam.

I took ML in my undergrad degree

we did tons of python

[spare oriole]

if you're doing higher level work, then maybe.

but last ML engineer i knew, told me they worked a lot with C/C++

[civic pasture]

interesting

o.O

I mean all the ML courses from other colleges require Python

UT DS masters require Python

not C++ or C for ML

it is also possible they let you choose the language of your choice

[spare oriole]

i'm sure that's the case for CS theoretical stuff.

but for applied it's different.

a CS phd i know used a lot of python but he was mainly working on the math aspect of things and very little programming

his code was a mess

[civic pasture]

lmao

😄

[spare oriole]

i don't think that's the case

unless your professor / advisor knows all the possible langs you want to take and accepts it

[civic pasture]

https://web.njit.edu/~usman/courses/cs675_fall19/index.html

all python @spare oriole

just looked at it

[spare oriole]

if you look thru the slides, most of it is the math aspect of things

[civic pasture]

yeah

😄

[spare oriole]

and very little applied

[civic pasture]

they have coding too1

😄

https://web.njit.edu/~usman/courses/cs675_fall19/midterm_review_sheet2.pdf

bro if this is the midterm

🥲

Its so easy

I did all of these during my undergrad

[spare oriole]

CS isn't all that cracked up to according to my friends, PHDs is where it's at

[civic pasture]

yeah

[civic pasture]

I can do PHD with this program if I choose a thesis option

this is like the only CS masters online that has thesis option

[spiral zephyr]

We barely use C++ at work

[civic pasture]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/technology/openai-sam-altman-returns.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks @spiral zephyr

I think I will do CS with AI specialization @spiral zephyr

[spiral zephyr]

That's a good choice! There's diminishing returns on how much value AI courses give you once you're super deep in it.

[civic pasture]

https://catalog.njit.edu/graduate/computing-sciences/computer-science/ms/index.html @spiral zephyr

Great courses too

[spiral zephyr]

It's strange you need to do DSA at master's level

[civic pasture]

DSA?

Oh yeah

It’s good tho cuz I don’t know much about that

I had my undergrad in Data Science + Cybersecurity (Double major)

[spiral zephyr]

Then it's fine indeed!

The program looks good

My recommendation: do a mix of software, CS and AI electives

[civic pasture]

Okay 😄

[crystal spruce]

this is about as nice as i can get the answer

i've tried converting at least the first bit to the hypergeometric function 2F1, but it doesn't quite work

answer checks out numerically so it should be fine

[crystal spruce]

there may be a better way to tackle that (u^2-1)^n exp(-u^2) integral

if it was from 0 to infty i could convert to -inf to inf and then maybe look at something with hermite polynomials?

idk

it might be nicer to write in terms of pochhammer functions instead of gamma

[crystal spruce]

had a typo

[naive igloo]

erfc?

[hexed sierra]

the (complementary) error function, an integral of an exponential that does not have an antiderivative but can be evaluated numerically

.wa s erfc

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Erfc is the complementary error function, commonly denoted erfc(z), is an entire function defined by erfc(z)≡1-erf(z) equals 2/sqrt(π)∫_z^∞ e^-t^2dt.It is implemented in the Wolfram Language as Erfc[z]. Note that some authors define erfc(z) without the leading factor of 2/sqrt(π). For z>0, erfc(z) equals Γ(1/2,z^2)/sqrt(π), where Γ(a,x) is the incomplete gamma function. The derivative is given by d/dzerfc(z) equals -(2e^-z^2)/sqrt(π), and the indefinite integral by ∫erfc(z)dz equals zerfc(z)-(e^-z^2)/sqrt(π)+C. It has the special values erfc(-∞) equals 2erfc(0) equals 1erfc(∞) equals 0.I

[hexed sierra]

i think the name comes from communications applications, where having additive gaussian noise makes you mistake one "symbol" for another, and the probability of doing so depends on the chance of observing noise values over a certain threshold. computing that chance requires integrating the gaussian probability density function, which has a nice exp(-x^2) hidden in there

[crystal spruce]

that's pretty cool actually

didn't know that's where the name came from

[hexed sierra]

a lot of cool statistics stuff has to do with communications

either because it enabled communications, or its study was prompted by comms

shoutout to shannon

[solemn tulip]

wouldn't those gammas kinda cancel? (other than getting a gamma with the erf

[crystal spruce]

yes

the entire part not associated with erfc(1) is a rational multiple of sqrt(pi)

gimme a min to rewrite it with pochhammer symbols

[hexed sierra]

what did you settle for for your latex needs btw?

i insist vscode is pretty good for latex. i use it for that, and not for python

[crystal spruce]

I'm using obsidian rn

it's a bit restricting tho

so I might look into neovim since I plan on learning that anyways

setup still definitely needs to improve tho

kinda sad when the best editing experience is on desmos

[solemn tulip]

actually, expanding the n choose k itself will cause some cancellations

[crystal spruce]

yes, but it'd be three Gammas vs two gammas and a binomial coefficient

so I figured the latter would be nicer

tho I still do feel like pochhammer would be nicest

might even be able to simplify something

[solemn tulip]

even with just the first cancellation it's
2 Γ + 1 factorial + binom
vs
2 Γ + 2 factorials

but yeah, it's mostly just shuffling things around

[solemn tulip]

lol that leading factor reminds me so much of Stirling's approximation

[crystal spruce]

e and sqrt(pi) sure like hanging out together

[solemn tulip]

and divided by a n!

[stiff siren]

how did you get here? who sent you.

[sterile sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

[crystal spruce]

this is a nicer formulation of it i think

A_n and B_n are purely rational

[solemn tulip]

what's k underscore again?

[crystal spruce]

falling factorial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_and_rising_factorials

i use knuth's notation because pochhammer notation is objectively cringe

[crystal spruce]

might be simplifiable further actually

[naive igloo]

some guy in teensrv sent me to this server

[polar kestrel]

@split wagon consider checking "don't use palettes"

since your image got converted to P mode (palette)

[split wagon]

ohh

thanks

[civic pasture]

so cuteee @rough sapphire

[grave cove]

cat

[acoustic moss]

car

[wanton delta]

Thats a greg destroyer of worlds

[wanton delta]

So
Broadcom just acquired VMWare

Pls dont hurt it broadcom thx

[jaunty wraith]

is there precedent for Broadcom ruining companies they've acquired?

[wanton delta]

Im not aware of it
I defaulted to feel some dread when a big company makes a move

[naive igloo]

who is broadcom?

[wanton delta]

Their product is probably in one of your devices

They are well known for making NICs and anything related to networking

[fading agate]

You gonna sue them?

[jaunty wraith]

why would I?

[outer pebble]

Because he exists

[minor portal]

hi fellow penguin!

[thick osprey]

Getting so close now 👀

[jovial oriole]

yo can someone put this on another server

[thick osprey]

@royal lake we need to update your virus scanner

((my kindred light mode user in there though))

[soft violet]

If you don't send this to ten of your friends, at midnight, the boogieman will eat all your chicken nuggets and rearrange your bookcases by colour.

[grave cove]

😨

[thick osprey]

Me staring at my bookcases: Something's different.....

[soft violet]

My understanding is the C19 viruses can live on and in a dog's nose for a short time, so contamination, but is unable to infect the dog.

Cats being a different matter.

I remember tigers getting sick.

Also vaccinated.

They're designed to draw in particulates and dogs are often exceedingly friendly.

I, however, am not.

[foggy mountain]

!kidling

!proyects

.proyects

!proyect

[soft violet]

!kindling @foggy mountain

[royal lake]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[foggy mountain]

thanks opalin

[tawny coyote]

@thin acorn oh i should have linked to sphinx's official tutorial instead of the getting started guide since i found that more useful in understanding sphinx
regardless if it helps, here's how i'd summarize setting up sphinx for your library:

1. Install sphinx (pip install sphinx)
2. Run sphinx-quickstart docs to generate files in docs/
   i. (choose "no" for separate source/build directories)
3. Enable the following extensions in conf.py:

extensions = [
    "sphinx.ext.autodoc",      # extracts and parses docstrings
    "sphinx.ext.autosummary",  # generates autodoc directives for modules/classes
    "sphinx.ext.intersphinx",  # links to external sphinx documentation
    "sphinx.ext.napoleon",     # adds numpy/google docstring support
]
``` 4. Add the following configuration values to conf.py:
```py
# Automatically document module/class members:
autodoc_default_options = {"members": True}
# Find numpy references and link to stable docs:
intersphinx_mapping = {'numpy': ('https://numpy.org/doc/stable/', None)}
``` 5. Use the autosummary directive in index.rst, or another page if you prefer:

Welcome to mylibrary's documentation!

.. autosummary::

mylibrary

.. (mylibrary should be installed in your Python environment)
``` 6. Ensure your mylibrary/__init__.py looks something like:

"""This is my library."""
import numpy


def func(arr: numpy.ndarray) -> numpy.ndarray:
    """Does something with an array.

    Args:
        arr (numpy.ndarray):
            The array to do something with.

    Returns:
        A new array.

    """
``` 7. Run `make html` inside docs/ to generate the documentation
8. Open docs/_build/html/index.html

[thin acorn]

thanks a lot for taking the time to write all of this. I will definitely give this a look tomorrow with a clearer mind. I just got a bit frustrated 🙂

[tawny coyote]

im with you on that, it (still) takes a while for me to figure out stuff in sphinx too

the above should output something like this:

instead of .. autosummary:: you could also make your own page and use .. automodule:: instead:

docs/index.rst ```
Welcome to mylibrary's documentation!

.. toctree::
:maxdepth: 1

apidocs/api.rst
API Reference

.. automodule:: mylibrary```

[thin acorn]

at least I figured out why the markdown syntax for linking wasn't working in pdoc. It was the google style docstring as you suspected.

regular reST and numpy (which partly uses reST) seem to work for that use case

[soft violet]

@honest star
re: #python-discussion message

https://youtu.be/eIl1VuGTk3g From 0:49

Kat of the air. 🦉😁

I miss these guys. The one in the green tie passed away some time ago and the after-the-news comedy segment on TV has never been the same.

Also was into environmental conservation. Man loved his birds.

[thin acorn]

Hello, I am trying to follow what you wrote here, right now the package I'm developing isn't installed in my environment. Is there any other way to setup sphinx to correctly import mylibrary?

I added this command in conf.py: sys.path.insert(0, os.path.abspath('../src'))
It seems to have fixed this issue.

The html docs are built, but I don't find any of the functions I wrote inside.

My functions are actually written inside mylibrary/modulename.py, not the init file. Maybe that is the reason why they don't appear.

[thin acorn]

I had to run the sphinx-apidoc command. It seems to work now

[stiff siren]

MY DOG SPEAKES ENGLISH

[stable python]

Why am I using macos monteray?

[vale raven]

one of us!!

[thin acorn]

does anyone know how to stop the sphinx-apidoc command from using the :undoc-members: option?

[vale raven]

Why would you want to?

https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/man/sphinx-apidoc.html

[thin acorn]

it's duplicating entries for class variables I defined, see https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/issues/8664
Keep in mind I don't really understand Sphinx right now, so I may be wrong on this.

Am I supposed to even use sphinx-apidoc, or is that not necessary if I am using autodoc already to generate docs from my docstrings?

[vale raven]

You're trying to avoid duplicate output from duplicate tools?

[thin acorn]

I just figured out they are duplicate, if you see above i was trying to follow the help I was provided, then I tried fixing an issue I was having by myself and thought using apidoc was the fix

[vale raven]

I don't actually use either

But it looks like one just runs the other

[vale raven]

Ah, yeah, 8664 just says to remove undoc from here

[tawny coyote]

i havent needed to use sphinx-apidoc before, but if you wanted to document a submodule with automodule, you would provide the path to that module, i.e. .. automodule:: mylibrary.mymodule

with autosummary you can make it recursive too: ```
.. autosummary::
:toctree: generated
:recursive:

mylibrary```

huh, discord's only showing one of the three images...

[thin acorn]

I haven't really understood how to use the index.rst file: I tried writing like you suggested here

.. autosummary::

   mylibrary

..

where mylibrary is the import package (I think that's called?) that contains the init.py file and the module I'm trying to document.
However when doing that, running just make html without doing sphinx-apidoc first, rendered an empty html page with none of the functions in my module. I guess I just have to configure the index file differently?

[tawny coyote]

right, as per my second example you need to make it recursive, and also define a toctree directory so it can auto-generate .rst pages for each module/class nvm that's enabled by default with autosummary_generate

ok i tested that in the wrong order, the toctree is definitely needed to have it generate pages

if there's anything i can rely on, its sphinx to act weird because of artifacts laying around

@thin acorn btw if you want a more topical channel, you can ask about sphinx in #tools-and-devops - at the time, i sent my guide here to avoid pushing other questions away

[thin acorn]

yeah I tried asking a question although it's quite generic, I haven't understood how to write the index file, with the recursive example you mentioned.

[tawny coyote]

think of your .rst files as .md files but in a different format

you still have the basic elements like headers, paragraphs, etc. but beyond the built-in reST syntax and directives, sphinx provides its own directives like table of contents and autosummary

for example: ```
Welcome to mylibrary's documentation!

mylibrary provides the tools for all your numpy needs!

.. warning::

mylibrary may or may not provide tools for all your numpy needs.
The authors are not liable for any damages or injuries that may
arise from believing the above fact to be true.

Table of Contents

.. toctree::
:maxdepth: 1

tutorial
api
changelog
migrating

[thin acorn]

thanks for yet another explanation. I'll just fiddle out with the rst files and see what I come up with. By following your tip I managed to also fix the duplicate entry issue I had. Appreciate all the time you took to help me.

[pulsar heart]

i asked gpt to generate a dog being propelled by a dyson sphere

[grave cove]

that aint no dyson sphere

cute dog tho

[pulsar heart]

it tried its best

[thick ore]

btw there is an ot0 thread for this kinda stuff #1007424600205971636

[pulsar heart]

oh thats dope

[thick ore]

do yall FW this discord bot ❓

[marble bay]

the name is accurate 10/10 would not use again

[lament cairn]

Why

[jovial oriole]

it hurts

i give up

[naive igloo]

what "it"?

[jovial oriole]

Everything

[tardy rain]

I shouldnt have opened glassdoor on a Sunday, the lord's day

[sterile sapphire]

lunch wit team

[tardy rain]

Some day it'll be legal to backhand slap people for misbehaving in public

And that day will be a good day

Im gonna need a glove and stuff

[grave cove]

thou shalt not job hunt on the sabbath

also "lunch wit the team" lol

are they trying to be hip with the kids

[tardy rain]

Nah, missed typo

[grave cove]

9 and a half hours of work for this is actually wild ngl

[frigid aspen]

in search for groups or buddy that want to study python (currently doing cs50p/lecture 1) dm or tag

[remote fiber]

I'm trying to learn python for the third time now and I took the advice to think of projects and do them. However, I always failed and didn't manage to solve the problems by googling or asking for help.

I want to start from scratch again this time learning with Python Crash Course any mindset tips on how to keep going after learning the basics this time?

The last two times I was doing projects which involved a lot of webscraping maybe I should start doing some example projects with solutions this time

[rough sapphire]

Maybe start small

A game is a big project

Do smaller projects

And when you're comfortable with those you can go for bigger things

Also, as a side note, if you primarily want to code games, python probably isn't the best option

[wanton delta]

As for mindset tips, try solving some problem you have IRL with coding, no matter how small within reason.

Thinking about what projects to do can be time consuming, so starting organically by actual problems you want to solve is how i kept my momentum.

[high haven]

@foggy jungle maybe? https://youtu.be/E91pJYO_s7I?si=qIS1Hge15Q7AXjub

[rugged owl]

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare message

Was too slow

[high haven]

im sorry is your name rem?

[brazen ingot]

leave it in sunlight, that's what I do.

[bright grove]

nah should still work

[thick osprey]

Whew. A few more chapters to go and then the second draft. 👀

[naive igloo]

toxins are tasty

[jovial oriole]

Assembly users be criticizing sqrt op for taking more than 3 clock cycles

[tardy rain]

XML was chosen as the most appropriate format as it can be used in various environments, regardless of the operating system in use.

gives malformed xml

[naive igloo]

?

huh?

[tardy rain]

some resource im using

[sick shadow]

what is this?

[thick osprey]

https://nanowrimo.org

[sick shadow]

oh cool

what's your story about?

[high haven]

@young shoal dang my friend has the fancy 3d printer https://bambulab.com/en-us

[young shoal]

sheesh

need to get one of those metal printers

[high haven]

Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with an AMS + LIDAR

whatever that means

[young shoal]

isn't x1 carbon a laptop

also 😬 my meeting is soon and the offer hasn't come in

[high haven]

it never was going to come in today. didnt you say that

[sterile sapphire]

[high haven]

just be honest

[low chasm]

rip

[sterile sapphire]

you'll prob get it tomorrow

[young shoal]

yeah i think it's only been 2 business days

[high haven]

you either tell them now or tell them later

[sterile sapphire]

uhg said they'd decide quickly

[high haven]

yeah and everyones been taking PTO

[sterile sapphire]

so idk wtf is going on

[high haven]

so only half of the company is in

probably like that across the board

[high haven]

people are taking PTO duh

like me

im also off today

[young shoal]

wild

[high haven]

but im running around doing errands

[low chasm]

im not 😩

[young shoal]

extend that weekend 😩

[high haven]

[sterile sapphire]

christmas music

[high haven]

4 day weekend

no wait

[young shoal]

4 days including your pto?

[high haven]

5 days if you count thanksgiving

[young shoal]

we had thu and fri off

[high haven]

yeah

[low chasm]

I got wed through Friday off

[high haven]

ok mr student

[young shoal]

i mean for work

[low chasm]

yeah schoolwork

[young shoal]

for school i had the whole week 😩

[high haven]

yeah aboo got ripped off fr

[low chasm]

It’s terrible

winter break is soon though

I just need to lock in and become an academic weapon

[young shoal]

you keep saying that

[low chasm]

it's true

I’ll have all As this quarter

[young shoal]

i think i'll just say like

i'm pursuing other internships

[low chasm]

my gpa will be pristine

[young shoal]

i'm pretty sure they're not gonna fire me

[sterile sapphire]

"i'm seeing other people"

☠️

[young shoal]

"let's take a break"

😭

[low chasm]

"It’s not you, it’s me”

[young shoal]

it's definitely them

[flint escarp]

Hellow Everyone!
I'm new here...

[low chasm]

Welcome!

[crystal spruce]

welcome to off topic chat 1

i think we drink poison here today

[high haven]

ok lmk what happens afterwards

[high haven]

for rex, its always me

[carmine bane]

I love microplastics in my body

Mmmm tasty water from a plastic water bottle

I love the little bit of jazz the microplastics adds

Makes it taste special

[grave cove]

asbestos

[high haven]

innocent coffee

[sterile sapphire]

bro's got ultimate instinct

[grave cove]

Based?

[high haven]

bro seems like an asshole too

they seem perfect for each other

[young shoal]

nah he's based

she's cringe

actually they're both kinda cringe for yelling in public

[high haven]

exactly

ive seen that happen in public

its not pretty

im just like 'can you not please'

[young shoal]

have you seen someone propose before

[high haven]

yeah

[young shoal]

was it cool

[high haven]

but like far away

i couldnt tell

i was told what happened after the fact

[young shoal]

huh

[high haven]

did you have your meeting yet

[young shoal]

it's at 2

[high haven]

why are you still here

oh

so like

30 minutes

[young shoal]

i've been waiting for my computer to finish updating

[high haven]

speaking of meetings

i just got a teams message

and ended up having to do work on my day off anyway

it was just canceling meetings

but STILL

its the principle

[high haven]

brave

[young shoal]

mandated by company /shrug

[high haven]

ah

i try to do those asap so they dont come at an inconvenient time

[young shoal]

should have done it later so it'll cover my meeting 😭

[high haven]

[sterile sapphire]

o fuck i have mandatory HR

training

[high haven]

still dont understand why you asked for a monday meeting

[sterile sapphire]

smh

i have to do that tomorrow

[high haven]

when you knew it probably wouldnt come in today

[young shoal]

it's just before a weekly meeting

yeah i realize that now 😔

[sterile sapphire]

hindsight is 20/20

[high haven]

its ok

you know for next time (?)

[young shoal]

perhaps

[high haven]

well at the very least this will improve your meeting scheduling skills (?)

[young shoal]

the soft skills you never learned about

[high haven]

dude that soft skills engineering podcast is a gem

[young shoal]

need a meeting theory course

wow all 4 of my PRs are still open from monday

i guess everyone was just gone last week 😩

[high haven]

it was interesting hearing the hosts answer this question since theyve both been at fang companies previously

[sterile sapphire]

"let's circle back after the holidays"

[young shoal]

visual studio got a cool gh copilot update

[grave cove]

reviewing PRs on thanksgiving week would be pretty sad

[young shoal]

we only had off thursday and wednesday though

[grave cove]

imagine

[young shoal]

rex i think i'm just gonna say i won't be returning for the summer. i won't offer up any specific details 😩

but what if they ask me to stay 😬

[high haven]

then you say no

yw

i expect a cut

[young shoal]

how's the desk btw

[high haven]

its supposed to be here soon

but i couldnt wait

so i went to the gym instead

[young shoal]

i see

💪

[high haven]

im almost done

its fine

[young shoal]

ok i'll just be set on not returning

also rex they added shift and ctrl clicking back to the spotify web player

[high haven]

hmm?

[young shoal]

idk for a while i couldn't select multiple songs

[high haven]

for what? like adding multiple songs to a playlist?

[young shoal]

yeah

[high haven]

interesting

not sure if i would ever use that workflow

so idk if they have that on spotify desktop or not

[young shoal]

it's not a workflow it's a keybind 😭

they should

[high haven]

its a workflow in product feature terminology world

[young shoal]

wack

[high haven]

i did not want to become like this

the podcasts have shaped me

[young shoal]

well, i'm meeting

[high haven]

gl

[young shoal]

i accidentally interrupted her question with more small talk

oops

[high haven]

still on discord smh

[young shoal]

it's alright 😌

[high haven]

and its alright for me

since im not shaking my head

im shaking moyens head

smh

ok gym done

[young shoal]

why not shaking moyen's hand

[high haven]

peace

[young shoal]

apparently it's possible for me to move to a different team in the same company

probably not though

i think i'm getting finessed

[grave cove]

MoyenHead

[young shoal]

my manager: "i think we're pretty close to pushing this to prod, don't you think?"
me: "uhh, yeah i think that's pretty accurate" 😬 😬 😬

[grave cove]

skull emoji

but as the ancient greeks always said

[crystal spruce]

robin you can just skull emoji instead of saying skull emoji you know

[grave cove]

sobbing emoji

[crystal spruce]

[rugged owl]

[young shoal]

😩

rex it went pretty good

i think

i mean i didn't get fired on the spot so

[sterile sapphire]

that’s good news

[young shoal]

@high haven have you seen any of the news about cheating in chess

there's this former world champion who does not have a great handle of statistics trying to use stats to show that another player cheated

then a bunch of actual statisticians came out of their holes to debunk the claims

a lot of cool data stuff though

[sterile sapphire]

are you talking about the gm cheating scandal

[young shoal]

indeed

[rugged owl]

🔌

[young shoal]

not that one 😭

[crystal spruce]

which one?

[young shoal]

the recent one

[crystal spruce]

the hans niemann one?

[young shoal]

no that was like last year

[crystal spruce]

idk how recent you mean ok

I haven't been keeping up with chess

[young shoal]

like, a week ago

[crystal spruce]

oh damn kramnik accused Hikaru?

that's juicy

[young shoal]

yeah but it's so bad

he's cherry picked a streak out of a lot of games to try and show that his performance is anomalous

[rugged owl]

The only one I know of is magnus resigning.

[young shoal]

yeah that's the adult toy one

[rugged owl]

Wasn't that just speculation? I don't think they ever got concrete proof.

[young shoal]

it's usually really difficult to find concrete proof

but yeah they didn't find anything for otb chess

pretty cool stats though

[rugged owl]

Put the players in a faraday cage

Then it comes a caged match

🥁

[young shoal]

reportedly, they used jammers for a few tournaments last year lol

maybe it's still happening

[crystal spruce]

he did offer to play in a Faraday cage I think

[young shoal]

the chess boards need to be networked i think

idk if they're wired

we need air gapped chess boards 😭

lol

[crystal spruce]

casually playing at infinite elo

[young shoal]

yeah but this is just a basic fallacy

[rugged owl]

I mean, what is that supposed to mean?

[young shoal]

streaks aren't anomalous

[rugged owl]

45.5 games won outta 46 games?

[sterile sapphire]

damnnnnnn

[acoustic moss]

draw

[young shoal]

yeah so score is 0 for losing, .5 for draw, 1 for win

[sterile sapphire]

has anyone seen the new godzilla movie??

apparently it’s really fucking good

[acoustic moss]

til theres a new godzilla movie

[sterile sapphire]

oh it’s coming out soon

[rugged owl]

What's GM elo again? 2.9k?

[sterile sapphire]

this friday

[young shoal]

2500 FIDE. but online ratings are inflated

[crystal spruce]

hikaru's a super gm tho

[acoustic moss]

what are yalls

[young shoal]

yeah super gm would be like 2700+ fide

[crystal spruce]

mine is like shit because I only play no brain bullet

[acoustic moss]

im a solid 500

[rugged owl]

Fundamentals In Data Engineering (@high haven )

[acoustic moss]

(i started like 5 days ago)

[crystal spruce]

there are 2500 fundamentals in data engineering?

[young shoal]

i think rex is driving from the gym

[rugged owl]

[rugged owl]

oh, so that's like 1.5 hours.

[sterile sapphire]

i am currently suffering in my greek lit class

[sick shadow]

greek lit class?

[young shoal]

ewwww. the new VS update makes the git repo view so bad

[sterile sapphire]

indeed

[sick shadow]

uh okay let me try another way

[rugged owl]

Just learn bullet or w/e the 1 minute time limit is called

[sick shadow]

what is a greek lit class

[sterile sapphire]

a class about the iliad and odyssey

[acoustic moss]

dont wanna

[sick shadow]

oh so it's not about greek people partying

[sterile sapphire]

lol no

[acoustic moss]

i like 10 mins

[high haven]

classic. i have a meme for this

[crystal spruce]

I do not have the patience for 10min

bullet is way easier

at low level u just play whatever is most intuitive

no brain

[young shoal]

yeah i mean. if you're playing chess for shits and giggles, sure. but if you want to get better, no

[high haven]

i was baited

pub do you want that book or not

i cant remember

[young shoal]

perhaps

[acoustic moss]

pub drop the elo

[high haven]

smh

[crystal spruce]

it's easier to be bad at chess than be decent at chess

[acoustic moss]

whoa

[high haven]

youre either getting it for xmas or not

[young shoal]

what does "decent" mean

[high haven]

choose

[sick shadow]

that is the case for everything in the world btw

[rugged owl]

When your bad at chess, more people want to play with you

[young shoal]

what's the form factor. i'm not sending you my address

[crystal spruce]

exactly

[crystal spruce]

idk I'm bad at chess

[high haven]

no way we are in a digital age

if you want a physical copy, you have to get your own

smh

[rugged owl]

??? How else you going to fill bookshelves with books as decoration

[high haven]

im not getting you a signed copy either

[young shoal]

;-;

[high haven]

BUT! i will have an opportunity with the jan conference

[young shoal]

poached from school

[high haven]

thats for my friend though

[rugged owl]

Textbooks? Pfft

[high haven]

does pub have an office with bookshelves? doubt

[young shoal]

i mean, technically

[high haven]

esp with the beer pong table

bruh

[young shoal]

it's not really my office

it's just a room that no one else goes into

[rugged owl]

Calling pub poor?

[high haven]

pub couldve upgraded

but chose not to

[young shoal]

i think i'm getting a new chair

[acoustic moss]

sounds like communism

[high haven]

which chair

one of the ones you showed me?

[young shoal]

probably, yeah

[high haven]

not this

skull emoji times 3

[young shoal]

wait but if it's digital why would you buy it

err

actually the bookshelves are pretty cool

i would send a pic but there's PII so

most of my textbooks are actually not in the bookshelf though 😩. they're stacked on another table

[high haven]

ok have fun then

[young shoal]

me when my manager insists an irrelevant ticket is actually relevant and assigns it to me 🙄

[tardy rain]

Me when my manager assigns a ticket to me 🙄

[young shoal]

apparently the person i was talking to for c# help is no longer with the company

💀

[sterile sapphire]

oh

damn

[rugged owl]

Is that a " 🚪 " no longer with the company, or a " " no longer with the company

[young shoal]

given that they ghosted me...

I'm betting they were fired rather suddenly

[high haven]

tech brew really wildin' today

skull emoji

why they gotta do sam altman like that

[high haven]

@low chasm lawyer arc when

[young shoal]

what happened to them

oh that was recent i guess. the situation is still developing as they say

[high haven]

yeah

'still developing'

[young shoal]

ah, poor choice of words?

wait is this your incoming cs student

[high haven]

no i dont think so

[high haven]

???

no

this is someone who has like

4-5+ (?) YoE

started as frontend dev

but moved "fullstack"

so you know how that goes

[young shoal]

didn't you say you had someone that wanted to get into CS or something

[high haven]

they end up doing something devops-y

[high haven]

thats a different person

we'll call this programmer friend uhh

'V'

[young shoal]

average "take on more tasks" moment

[high haven]

classic

something in the ci/cd realm

because "someone has to do it"

[young shoal]

😩

[high haven]

why do i feel like every other frontend or "fullstack" dev i encounter end up like this

or is it just the ones i know

thats the real question

[young shoal]

maybe it's because you know them

[high haven]

probs the latter

[high haven]

what is that supposed to mean

pub

[young shoal]

it's your spiritual influence

[high haven]

rawr

what does that say about me

🔮

.8ball is this an astrology thing

[median dome]

My reply is no

[young shoal]

what's your zodiac sign

[high haven]

oh ok good

libra

no wait

libra

[young shoal]

😩

rex guess what

[high haven]

whats yours

[young shoal]

libra lol

[tardy rain]

Lmao

🦀 king

[young shoal]

apparently my friend and i are well matched

[high haven]

♎

is it good or bad if you have the same sign as someone

[high haven]

ok mr krabs

[young shoal]

i think it depends

[high haven]

you know what let me ask chatgpt

[young shoal]

according to this website we're 8/10 for love compatibility rex

With an encyclopedic knowledge of nearly everything, Libra can always tell you where to find the best coffee

:O

[high haven]

Whether having a friend with the same astrological sign as yours is a good or bad thing depends largely on your beliefs and perspectives on astrology, as well as the dynamics of your individual personalities.

In astrology, Libras are known for their sense of balance, fairness, and harmony. They are often seen as diplomatic, sociable, and cooperative. If both you and your friend are Libras, you might share these traits, which can lead to a harmonious and balanced friendship. You both might value peace, enjoy social activities, and strive for fairness in your relationship.

However, similarities can also bring challenges. For instance, Libras are sometimes seen as indecisive or avoidant of confrontation. If both of you share these traits, it might lead to situations where decisions are hard to make or conflicts are avoided rather than resolved.

Ultimately, the success of a friendship depends more on mutual respect, understanding, and the ability to communicate and grow together, rather than solely on astrological signs. It's important to remember that astrology can offer insights but doesn't determine the entirety of a person's character or the fate of a relationship. Your individual personalities, life experiences, and choices play a significant role in shaping your friendship.

pub, are you indecisive and/or avoidant of confrontation

[young shoal]

why yes

[high haven]

i feel like that does not describe me

maybe when i was in hs

then i changed

[young shoal]

i guess that just depends on your beliefs and perspectives on astrology and the dynamics of your individual personality

[high haven]

as most people do

[young shoal]

yeah i fell off

[high haven]

balance, fairness, and harmony
no, no, no.

hmm maybe in my past life though

now i just do what i want

[young shoal]

😩

[young shoal]

did you see this

[grave cove]

i've seen the most amount of incompetent "fullstack devs" than anything else tbh

[low chasm]

damn

[high haven]

[high haven]

this is what my friends keep saying

[grave cove]

fullstack is just kinda cringe in general tbh

[high haven]

they end up having to do the backend tickets bc the other fullstack devs on their team cant do them

im like

???

why are you called fullstack then

[young shoal]

"oh you know how to do this? you're the this-guy now"

[grave cove]

most competent fullstack dev

[high haven]

[low chasm]

is the situation still developing

[high haven]

you think they should just keep them split? honestly idk if front and backend are sufficient to describe duties

[graceful basin]

For junior-ish devs, probably

[high haven]

kinda. my other fullstack friend, 'D', ended up talking about how Azure AD B2C is a pain to work with

so now we're talking about that

and 3d printing

[low chasm]

I see

[high haven]

[young shoal]

i've heard of b2c, we don't use it

[high haven]

dont

[high haven]

and here comes that classic loaded question

.randomcase when does a junior dev become a senior dev

[median dome]

When DOes A JuNiOr deV BecoMe A SenioR dEV

[low chasm]

when I say so

I'm the vice president after all

[high haven]

aboose

[sterile sapphire]

rex i think i might get a geico interview

[young shoal]

to the career ladders we go

[graceful basin]

When they start creating new problems instead of solving existing ones /j

[high haven]

"might" hmm

[carmine apex]

so the first day they arrive?

[high haven]

fun

[high haven]

i like this answer

the most

[sterile sapphire]

i don't have nitro rip

[young shoal]

average poor student

[high haven]

idk a good emote to represent these vibes but we need one

[graceful basin]

Every school server I've ever used that has some members has level 3 boosts

But also, IT bubble

[young shoal]

i could buy nitro tbh

[graceful basin]

Same

[young shoal]

and spotify premium

[carmine apex]

the school servers had max boosts? literally why

[high haven]

what happens at level 3 again

[graceful basin]

No clue

[high haven]

you dont have the student version?

[young shoal]

"😔"

[young shoal]

nah

[graceful basin]

I could buy so many subscriptions and still be fine financially

[young shoal]

so true

[high haven]

thats just your general vibes. you cant merge vibes pub. you already do that with too many vibes already

[graceful basin]

But I only pay for backblaze and infinite one time cards and currency conversions at my bank

[young shoal]

what's a one time card

[carmine apex]

not like you can click the globe icon at the top left, right next to the server name

[young shoal]

yeah you know why? because i'm a poor student 😛

[graceful basin]

I debit card that will lock itself after one charge

[high haven]

i cant. thanks for doing it for me thur

[graceful basin]

So you pay for one thing with it and then it goes away

[young shoal]

huh. why is that different from cash

wait so can you renew it

[graceful basin]

Because it works online

It's not a physical card

[carmine apex]

also nice to help those with skill issues

[young shoal]

huh. it's an nft

[high haven]

300 video stage seats. how many servers do you think actually use that feature

[high haven]

youre not wrong.

i wont deny this

[young shoal]

file uploads are probably nice

[graceful basin]

All debit cards are non-fungible tokens, technically

[carmine apex]

big minecraft/fortnite/etc servers could probably max 1000 seats tbh

[high haven]

you still have access to so many normal emotes. could widen your repertoire pub

[graceful basin]

I mostly do generate not-one-time virtual cards though. Makes it very easy to cancel subscriptions

[young shoal]

what if i turn into sg. i can't let that happen

[high haven]

pub for some reason sg has 5 copies of every emote

we need some dedupe-ing fr

[young shoal]

yeah cause they're in like 99 emoji servers

[high haven]

[young shoal]

select distinct 😩

[carmine apex]

this is my highest emoji count:

[high haven]

SELECT DISTINCT *

[high haven]

i like pythons

[young shoal]

in the non-custom-emoji days we had 🥕

[high haven]

or reacts

[carmine apex]

at ~13 (>14 total emojis) are and . no surprises anywhere

[high haven]

and what do those vibes represent

[graceful basin]

my most used is, of course, 🐊

[young shoal]

"carat", ^

[high haven]

what is that one supposed to mean

[young shoal]

why is that of course again

[sterile sapphire]

smh one of the first questions the prescreening questionnaire asks is what are your salary requirements

why are you like this geico

[graceful basin]

It's a lizard

[graceful basin]

That seems reasonable tbh

[sterile sapphire]

ig so

[young shoal]

have you said what lakmatiol means before

[sterile sapphire]

huh

[high haven]

omg people really be sending team messages at this hour. the person who sent it is OOO too AND its after 5p

smh smh

🗿 🤝

[sterile sapphire]

shake moyen's head

[carmine apex]

pub i dunno if i should be angry for you stealing for my thought, or happy that you actually asked it so i didn't have to 🤔

[high haven]

ima pretend i didnt see anything

[young shoal]

it shows seen bro

[sterile sapphire]

rip rex

[high haven]

nah this is just the preview on my mobile notifications

[carmine apex]

also, pub, why the hell does your anime pfp have a santa hat on. it's still november

[high haven]

[young shoal]

after halloween is the start of christmas festivities

[sterile sapphire]

pub is clearly feeling the christmas vibes

[graceful basin]

I always hate when I ask a question and get an answer outside of work hours. Workstie please you can't put 10PM in your timecard like I can

[high haven]

pub, be honest, have you started listening to xmas music already

[sterile sapphire]

what's a workstie

[high haven]

i will know if you lie

[young shoal]

i usually don't at all

[carmine apex]

LIES

[high haven]

.8ball is pub lying to me

[median dome]

Yes definitely

[high haven]

classic

[carmine apex]

if i was in charge, christmas stuff before december 1st would be a crime

[sterile sapphire]

.8ball will i get a geico interview

[median dome]

It is certain

[graceful basin]

I said bestie first, then realized that wasn't the right vibe, so workstie it is

[sterile sapphire]

@high haven !!!

[young shoal]

i thought that was just a term that was used

[graceful basin]

Congrats

[carmine apex]

and mariah carey stuff at any time would be a capital crime

[high haven]

what about australians and celebrating xmas in their winter time

[graceful basin]

Great minds think alike, it is very possible

[young shoal]

.8ball are you lying

[median dome]

Ask again later

[young shoal]

D:

tbh i need the D: emote from twitch. that emote is amazing

[high haven]

bud i think you should wait to be excited until you actually land the interview. dont want to get your hopes up no?

[high haven]

which one

D:

[carmine apex]

regional december 1st of course

[graceful basin]

Fools do rarely differ, and I am both a fool and a great mind. Also it's 2AM I should sleep

[young shoal]

capital d colon

[sterile sapphire]

i'm joking, i have no financial/accounting background

[high haven]

haha where is this guy even from

[graceful basin]

I tend to just do gasp, sorta the same vibe

[sterile sapphire]

chances are i don't get it

[high haven]

so july 1st is fine for them

[young shoal]

twitch

[high haven]

is it for a financial/accounting position?

[high haven]

is it originally from twitch though?

[sterile sapphire]

"analyst development program" 🤔

[young shoal]

idk. it's one of the oldest twitch emotes

[high haven]

analyst is a loaded term. idk what that means

[high haven]

i see i see

[carmine apex]

christmas is still in december. i mean if they want to do when proper time zones are still the end of november.

or do aussies celebrate christmas in the "cold" summer?

[young shoal]

exactly. "😦" isn't the same vibe

[sterile sapphire]

i only applied bc they mentioned "biz analytics" as a major lol

[high haven]

dunno

[young shoal]

i've only intentionally listened to like 3 christmas songs. and it wasn't during christmas season

[high haven]

seems like a finance-ish position. interesting

[high haven]

ive listened to way more

[young shoal]

i'm sure 😩

[high haven]

more if you consider listening to the same song as multiple 'counts'

[young shoal]

the few i can name are: carol, carol v2, and the one that aespa and red velvet did

from last year

[carmine apex]

apparently australians have a mini-christmas on july 25. til.

dunno if that's good cause more holiday presents and food or worse cause the infernal music in stores and such

[young shoal]

weird

[high haven]

interesting interesting

[sterile sapphire]

inb4 they make me write code to "analyze" financial statements

or sum weird fucked up shit

[high haven]

so youre not giving me what i want but making me guess what it is first?

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[runic plinth]

secret

[high haven]

this is almost as bad as that time when aboo also didnt give me what i wanted

[young shoal]

weird

[thick ore]

Probably a front to get data for training some ML model

[high haven]

nah they already have that data

some new Product Manager probs wanted to make a splash

and an exec was like 'fine. we'll try it this year.'

behind that screenshot was probably the tears of multiple product, eng, and data peeps

[young shoal]

😩

[high haven]

anyway

new discover weekly

[young shoal]

"can we try this thing?"
"well yes, bu-"

"great, let's do it"

[high haven]

[high haven]

"wheres the data for this"

"can we get access"

"is this API even maintained any more"

"ask X"

"oh they left the company"

[young shoal]

😩

[jaunty wraith]

looks like they laid off a bunch of people
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/185473i/broadcom_aquires_vmware_for_61b/kazpqb0/

[wanton delta]

well now i know one instance where they roll over on their employees and engineers

is this going to be the trend now?
big companies that are too large to fail acquiring other companies that make pretty good stuff and ruining the structure

[jaunty wraith]

always has been 🔫

[wanton delta]

no

[glossy niche]

!remind 3days aoc

[royal lake]

Fat chance.

Sorry, you can only do that in #bot-commands!

[glossy niche]

bitch

I wonder what language I should use this yr

[tardy rain]

excel

[thick ore]

javascript

trust

[tardy rain]

Use excel like a man (or not)

The real columnar prog lang

[graceful basin]

Boy do I have the challenge for you

[edgy crest]

fp

[thick ore]

or you can use SQL

[glossy niche]

im kinda considering haskell tbh, its a fun language

[edgy crest]

same

[graceful basin]

Do the language challenge, new language for each day

[glossy niche]

tho, the pureness thing turned out to be really annoying cause i have to reimplement every algorithm i know to not have mutations

[graceful basin]

Indeed

[edgy crest]

hm i find that to be the fun part

[glossy niche]

tbf, having pattern matching in functions sigs is makes recursion really easy

[graceful basin]

Flix.dev gives you the ability to get pure functions that mutate local variables

[edgy crest]

yea

[graceful basin]

May be worth experimenting with

[glossy niche]

im coming from C/C++ and i did a lot of ICPC style contests so haskell is having me throw out a lot of code snippetts out of my brain

in a way, its really educational