ot0-no-stealth-portals-please

[tidal widget]

rest in peace

[mystic mauve]

but I uh, crashed the avionics/efb plugin by being dumb

so dumb apparently that the staff on their discord decided rather than answering my question of what I was doing wrong, they told me to enter a call with them next time and they'll show me how to do it properly instead

🙃

[upper turret]

lol

[oak hemlock]

well. I think I've done something good

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/judixijipo.py

Basically... MovementSystem procs every 20 ticks, RenderSystem procs every tick

[upper turret]

ECS?

[oak hemlock]

Yeah

This seems good so far, right \🤔

[upper turret]

idk

bruh is azure down?

[hearty prawn]

is this react?

hey cy

[oak hemlock]

howdy

[hearty prawn]

how's the wife?

i started playing genshin again

[sick olive]

It is. Yes.

[sick olive]

Wife? @oak hemlock ya got wife?

[hearty prawn]

i just knew from the return and the useState

[hearty prawn]

no i'm the wife

[sick olive]

Cyph's wife?

[hearty prawn]

ye

[oak hemlock]

I have a wife?

[hearty prawn]

i am ur wife :)

anyone here know java?

[oak hemlock]

hm. how to say this

no.

[sick olive]

Yeah.

[hearty prawn]

not me making a compiled language

[hearty prawn]

right so

basically what my parser does is

converts the string to an array list

wait no only a list?

[sick olive]

I'm also playing rocket league

[hearty prawn]

and my compiler needs a ArrayList

i need help converting a List to an ArrayList

[solid prawn]

ArrayList is an implementation of the List interface

why is your compiler expecting an ArrayList

it should expect List

[hearty prawn]

i made it so

also something just fucked up wait

okay i think i fixed it

what i need now is a way to convert my input to a List

for example, I am bob becomes [I , am , bob]

@solid prawn helpppp

public class Parser {
    static HashMap<String, String> tokens = new HashMap<String, String>();
    //static HashMap<String, String> tokensFound = new HashMap<String, String>();
    static List<String> tokensFound = new ArrayList<String>();
    public static void parseInit() {
        tokens.put("PRINT" , "print");
        tokens.put("LBRACKET" , "(");
        tokens.put("RBRACKET" , ")");
    }
    public static List<String> parse(String parseInput) {
        //System.out.println("lol k");
        String[] input = parseInput.split(" ");
        for (int i = 0; i != input.length; i++) {
            if(tokens.containsValue(input[i])) {
                //tokensFound.put(input[i] , Integer.toString(i));
                tokensFound.add(String.format("%b" , input[i]));
            }
            else {
                //tokensFound.put("Error" , String.format("Wrong Token : %s" , input[i]));
                tokensFound.add(String.format("Error Wrong token %s" , input[i]));
            }
        }
        //System.out.println(tokens);
        // System.out.println(tokensFound);
        return tokensFound;
    }

}
``` epik parser

[sick olive]

what about the string "4+4"

there is no space in that

[misty sparrow]

Which nft tag should i buy

[sick olive]

but its valid c code

[hearty prawn]

ssshh

that's a feature :)

[sick olive]

i guess its fine to simplify things

[hearty prawn]

i noticed this a while back but i'll fix it later lmfao lemme get a myp working

[sick olive]

or else you might go crazy

[hearty prawn]

i did print() like in python and it errored out lmfao

anyways

i need a way to convert an input of words into an array list of words which i can feed to my compiler

so it does shit

making an actual compiled language is hard

my other language just prints everything after PRINT

DragoLang flaskbacks

[sick olive]

Disregarding efficiency and other approaches this could be done easily with a loop over the string of code.

you might be able to read a file character by character and while doing so convert it into a list of words or tokens

[hearty prawn]

yeah but i don't wanna do thast

i wanna make it fasty boi

[sick olive]

i think the fastest way would be to construct the tree or intermediate representation as your reading character by character instead of reading the file into one big list then feeding it to your compiler

[hearty prawn]

hmm

yeah making a tree would be faster

[solid prawn]

unhh
Arrays.asList(s.split(" "))?

[oak hemlock]

I think I'm oddly proud of my crappy ECS

[sick olive]

this will basically do the loop for you

[hearty prawn]

yeah i got it

aight my parser is fucking broken

[oak hemlock]

love when that happens

[sick olive]

yeah i made one recently and im pretty proud of it.

[sick olive]

i will find it tommorow and maybe we can share

[hearty prawn]

i found the problem

i was never putting the tokens

[oak hemlock]

sad. there's a single millisecond of lag

[hearty prawn]

just the actuall thing i basically made a duplicate of thing

EJHW HUF????/

@sick olive help

@solid prawn you too help

ok so

        for (int i = 0; i != input.length; i++) {
            if(tokens.containsValue(input[i])) {
                //tokensFound.put(input[i] , Integer.toString(i));
                System.out.println(input[i]);
                tokensFound.add(String.format("%b" , input[i]));
            }
            else {
                //tokensFound.put("Error" , String.format("Wrong Token : %s" , input[i]));
                tokensFound.add(String.format("Error Wrong token %s" , input[i]));
            }
        }
``` i did this right

print
(
)
``` it printed this out as `input[i]`

bUT when the forloop ends

and i print the list System.out.println(tokensFound + " what ");

IT'S [true, true, true] what ???/

WHY TRUE TRUE TRUE

[sick olive]

print

[hearty prawn]

AND NOT [print , ( , )]

[sick olive]

and () are three token

[hearty prawn]

?

[sick olive]

oh

[hearty prawn]

yeahh

[sick olive]

"%b"

this means format it as a boolean

[hearty prawn]

FUCK

it works

[sick olive]

lucky i got that becuase im terrible with lang dev stuff

[hearty prawn]

i changed it to %s

don't you love when a functions just calls itself

[sick olive]

glad i could help

[hearty prawn]

:))

okay im so close to being done

[oak hemlock]

Well

I guess tomorrow I form my ECS into a module and try making a TUI game with it

[hearty prawn]

UGH this won't work

[plain osprey]

Use f-strings

[hearty prawn]

wait something worked

[plain osprey]

There's very little reason to use .format() over f-strings

[hearty prawn]

do you know java?

[plain osprey]

nop

[hearty prawn]

this is java not python.

[plain osprey]

oh

[hearty prawn]

yeah

[plain osprey]

that looked like python at a glance lol

[hearty prawn]

haha

deignfeugbnhutrbgutng'

@oak hemlock

BRO I DID IT

IT WORK

[pliant canyon]

damn

[oak hemlock]

what did

[hearty prawn]

OKAY SO

[oak hemlock]

huh

[hearty prawn]

MY PARSER WORKS

[pliant canyon]

for shitlang?

wait what was it called

[hearty prawn]

no for klurklang new language

i finished drago lang lmfao

[pliant canyon]

the one with the super hard to type keywords?

oh damn

[hearty prawn]

yeah

[pliant canyon]

nice

[hearty prawn]

OK SO I'M MAKING A COMPILED LANGUAGE

AND GUESS WHAT

[elfin jolt]

caps bro

[hearty prawn]

THIS CAN BE CORRECTLY PARSED AND E3BFUHRB

AND COMPILED

aND IT CAN

HANDLE ERRORS

never been more happy in life

now i need to rework the entire parser to make the print statement like this

print -> [whatever]

ez

it's a simple api to add new functions ngl

[sick olive]

Anyone know of a visual studio code extension to show the assembly of my program?

[hearty prawn]

no sorry

why though?

[oak hemlock]

Isn't there a compiler option to show intermediary assembly?

[sick olive]

ill look for it

yeah its -S

im going to try and make an operating system

[hearty prawn]

pogg

[sick olive]

and ill need to know what my compiler produces.

[hearty prawn]

it's fun to make one

[sick olive]

have you made one?

[hearty prawn]

yeah a few

[sick olive]

wow cool

[hearty prawn]

yeee

[sick olive]

did you use c?

[hearty prawn]

yeah i used C

i could give you some code that just chonks you into using C

but reminder, it's not fun if you just start from C

i don't mind giving it lol

[sick olive]

i dont know where to begin

maybe making my own implementation of string and other data strucutres

[oak hemlock]

Abandon all hope and switch to LFS

[sick olive]

then maybe make emulators

[oak hemlock]

Who needs to make their own OS when they can make their own Linux distribution

[hearty prawn]

lemme get you a starting point?

also guys. i lost all of my programming data

everything in my RAW folder is gone.

[sick olive]

github has free private repos now

how did you do that

[oak hemlock]

Hasn't it for a long while

[hearty prawn]

iDK

[oak hemlock]

all my repos have been private

since at least 2 years ago

[hearty prawn]

thank fully my OS code is online but

all of my other code is GONE

[sick olive]

yeah that happend to me after i bricked my system

shut it off while updating

tried fixing it but even grub was broken

[hearty prawn]

well dang

lemme check my drive

[oak hemlock]

meow

I go sleep now

[hearty prawn]

gn

[quasi cape]

english be like

[oak hemlock]

lol

[hearty prawn]

lol

[solid prawn]

bruh

[still pike]

Seems like everyone is asleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Nvt47YuhU

Fun vid

[fathom yew]

Today, I realized that I was no more a beginner...
my total number of lines exceeded 100...

[cursive agate]

well it is afternoon

also ;) more job opportunities for js devs

more vulnerabilities

[low marsh]

@sick olive You know way too much to not know how dynamic arrays work 😆

[sick olive]

i haeve written 200 lines of css

[abstract peak]

sad css noises

css is kinda boring

but I have to learn it

[sick olive]

lol

Why is this channel named something different than what it was last night?

[neat glen]

it changes every day

0:00 utc

!ot

[obtuse swallow]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:
• #ot0-no-stealth-portals-please
• #ot1-banned-from-discord
• #ot2-egg-is-gluten-free

Their names change randomly every 24 hours, but you can always find them under the OFF-TOPIC/GENERAL category in the channel list.

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[sick olive]

Ahh got it

Thank you

I'm sorry for asking such stupid questions, I just joined last night so I didn't know

[sick olive]

Sorry just saw it, wdym?

[abstract peak]

waht

english is weird

why discord red underlines english

[sullen elm]

It might want it capitalised

[abstract peak]

yeah

btw how do you customize ubuntu's desktop?

[cursive agate]

seems i can run sway now, now that nvidia supports GBM

[fathom yew]

watch a yt video xD

[abstract peak]

yeah doing that rn

gnome I see

[low marsh]

Lots of people on this server that can do that

[thick widget]

hello

[thick widget]

anyone can do that

any programmer

can do that

[rustic parcel]

nicee

[thick widget]

yooo same

[hearty prawn]

pov : i stood up for myself

[sick olive]

That's kinda toxic ngl

[sick olive]

Good job. Don't let people who trampled over you try to use you.

Also do people still use gay as an insult? Really?

^

But why get "insulted" of someone called you gay tho?

[hearty prawn]

i'm not

he uses gay as an insult

[thick widget]

bruh

[hearty prawn]

i

[thick widget]

les goo

[sick olive]

[low marsh]

Anyone "can", not many people know what they're doing though

[thick widget]

ye

[summer robin]

Why know what you're doing when there is google.

[sick olive]

Is googling what most programmers do if they don't know something? Do they not try and figure it out themselves first?

[ruby trellis]

C moment

[ruby trellis]

well

[lofty cypress]

isnt googling part of trying to figure it out yourself?

[ruby trellis]

you will be hard pressed to find any programmer who does not google stuff from time to time.

[sick olive]

I mean doing sort of hands on work yourself

[lofty cypress]

if not, why not? Explain your position in 500 words.

[summer robin]

if you don't know something that's already past the trying to figure it out part.

[polar rose]

does this sprite look like a top down motor boat lol

i suck at pixel art so bad

strike that, i suck at art so bad

[sick olive]

I get that googling it is very useful, but isn't part of the fun of solving whatever problem you have trying to solve it yourself?

[lofty cypress]

why isnt googling part of that

[polar rose]

^ ?

[sick olive]

Google is probably more used than coding when you're a programmer

[lofty cypress]

are you getting someone else to come over to your place and fix it for you?

[fathom yew]

lol nice

[lofty cypress]

are you contracting someone to fix your issue?

[polar rose]

aNyone?

[ruby trellis]

well, some times you kind of just want to get something done.

[sick olive]

That's true

I guess it just depends on why you're programming in the first place

[ruby trellis]

more just why you are coding something in particular.

[lofty cypress]

this sounds like youre trying to put someone's efforts down because they used google

[summer robin]

I know functions that I use somewhat frequently from the top of my head, but for less used functions I definetly google the docs entry etc.

[lofty cypress]

youre not any better just cause you can remember some obscure function names

[ruby trellis]

i try to think through most of my problems first, but if i am just doing something because i need to do because it makes something i am doing easier, then i will happily copy paste something from the internet.

i can figure it out later, after all.

[polar rose]

soMeone check my sprite please

[sick olive]

No no, I'm sorry if that's the message I portrayed. I'm just trying to ask if googling the answers ruins the fun of solving questions for you.

[polar rose]

^

[ruby trellis]

it can, but it assumes that somebody found the problem fun in the first place.

[solid prawn]

this is a python server, we don't google stuff here

we find a package on pypi instead

[lofty cypress]

google is part of the fun, its a reference, how are you supposed to solve problems without referring to anything

[summer robin]

One of those with a massive fan at the back

[solid prawn]

/s

[ruby trellis]

PYTHON MOMENT

[polar rose]

(its a propeller)

[ruby trellis]

me and the boys aimlessly filling our project with dependencies because we want to be using Node.js

[polar rose]

but just tell me does it look like a boat?

[sick olive]

I'm sorry if I made it look like I was putting people down if they google stuff, I just started so I can't judge haha

[lofty cypress]

no

[summer robin]

It does somewhat, but I find it hard to tell for such small images.

[polar rose]

my sister and someone else told me the sprite i made earlier looked like a mailbox...

[ruby trellis]

not necessarily

[polar rose]

oh well :C

[ruby trellis]

some people just Google shit because it helps get it done quicker. i do not find every programming problem i come across fun.

[summer robin]

Fun fact: Sprite used to have anti depressants in it.

[polar rose]

what

[ruby trellis]

i still enjoy it, but programming is still a mix of a tool and hobby to me.

[summer robin]

Just like Cola used to have actual coke in it.

[polar rose]

what

[lofty cypress]

why do you think its called coke

[ruby trellis]

why not

[sick olive]

Well it's not called coce

[ruby trellis]

i think they used to give kids heroin.

[summer robin]

It's one of the best painkillers.

[sick olive]

That used to be ok and be the norm, but things change

[ruby trellis]

for mental pain AND physical pain! =D

[lofty cypress]

it sure kills something

[ruby trellis]

crack is wack. just like C.

but unlike crack, you should do C.

[lofty cypress]

career goals is getting into investment banking and doing lines on a skyscraper somewhere maybe

[summer robin]

That seems like harmful advice.

[lofty cypress]

spaghetti lines of code i meant

[ruby trellis]

the only thing that this can harm is Python's market share.

[static trout]

and ur sanity

[ruby trellis]

you cannot lose what you do not have. 🤪

[static trout]

good point

[solid prawn]

I WAS TYPING THE EXACT SAME THING

[ruby trellis]

[lofty cypress]

it just proves how youre all instances of the same bot

[solid prawn]

hmm

[summer robin]

It's the kind of thing where you find out you still a a tiny bit of sanity left and then lose that 😦

[thick widget]

obviously

[ruby trellis]

we are running on different shards.

[lofty cypress]

aboo is the puppet master

[solid prawn]

D:

[ruby trellis]

let it go 😎

[sick olive]

Great minds think alike!

[mortal hull]

banned for botting

[ruby trellis]

join the underbelly of programming.

the spooky scary C programmers.

[static trout]

this just proves bananas are our overlords

[lofty cypress]

evil aboo be like

Bye D:

[ruby trellis]

oh i should remind all of you:

yesterday was Vim's birthday.

🍾

[static trout]

vim is 1 year closer to when people stop using it

whenever that may be

[thick widget]

monke = best friend of banan

[ruby trellis]

lalalaalalalalal i cannot hear you over the clattering of my home row

tap tap tap

[thick widget]

you dont hear text

[ruby trellis]

i can hear my keyboard though.

[thick widget]

les gooo another joke ruined

[ruby trellis]

🪤

why the fuck is this an emoji?

that is so random

[thick widget]

you never know when you may need it

[solid prawn]

there's worse emojis

[ruby trellis]

elaborate 🔫

write me a 3 page essay on the quality of Discord's emojis and then submit it to the drop box by 4:32 AM yesterday night.

[solid prawn]

🫃

https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/

[sick olive]

Yesterday night?

[ruby trellis]

AH YES

SQUARE

[solid prawn]

doesnt render for me either lol

[sick olive]

I answered to someones question

[lofty cypress]

excuse me thats a rectangle

[ruby trellis]

pregnant man

[mortal hull]

inferior home row 😔

[midnight forge]

Agreed

[ruby trellis]

A pregnant man holding his round stomach. Sometimes used in jest to represent feeling too full after overeating, as in a "food baby."
oh lmao

[ruby trellis]

problem?

[mortal hull]

arstneio

[ruby trellis]

yes, and maybe even last year.

[sick olive]

Ok...

[ruby trellis]

arstneio

is that some Harry Potter spell?

or some obscure Python library i am unaware of?

your silence speaks volumes.

[chrome zinc]

they're both the same

[ruby trellis]

TRUE

[magic tendon]

aka. stickers

[ruby trellis]

^

[static trout]

wungus:

[static trout]

yes exactly that

[magic tendon]

This one isn't that bad

You can't even recognize wumpus

[ruby trellis]

big wungus

[magic tendon]

Or whatever it is supposed to be

[solid prawn]

@wintry copper you're needed

[static trout]

wungus*

[solid prawn]

bring forth the wungi

[magic tendon]

No no, you can't recognize wumpus

Because, like, wungus is wumpus

[static trout]

wungus disagrees

[pliant canyon]

wtf

[hearty prawn]

lmfao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/291284109232308226/905415810015711282/adf1017f-b9d1-4e66-ce69-402431b1adb9.png

[pliant canyon]

thats a curse and a half

[hearty prawn]

hot

[sick olive]

What exactly is that supposed to be?

[static trout]

god

[hearty prawn]

yes god

[royal jetty]

non cursed image

[hearty prawn]

i love wungus

wungus is love, wungus is life

[summer robin]

Lol someone made an image of a human wungus

[hearty prawn]

big ed

[royal jetty]

no, no and no

[ruby trellis]

A

[pliant canyon]

chungus + wumpus

[hearty prawn]

uwu ed

[ruby trellis]

yes, yes, and yes.

[hearty prawn]

we stan big ed

[sick olive]

I'm so sorry for so many questions, but who's wumpus?

[royal jetty]

writing 💯

[static trout]

wtf

[static trout]

discord's mascot

[viscid flume]

wumpus is discord mascot

[sick olive]

I assume chungus was that meme a while ago

[hearty prawn]

girl of my dreams

[pliant canyon]

yes

[hearty prawn]

ily<:3

[sick olive]

Ohh it's that guy

[pliant canyon]

lol

[sick olive]

Ok thank you!

[pliant canyon]

yes the mascot of discord

ye

[hearty prawn]

nice.

oh my tyrading bot is back on

thank you heroku lords

[royal jetty]

what?

[hearty prawn]

and we somehow trippled our networth

[hearty prawn]

my stock trading bot

[sick olive]

3 x 0 is still 0

[royal jetty]

it does trade real money?

[hearty prawn]

this one

[viscid flume]

you put a stonk bot on heroku?!

[pliant canyon]

lmao

[hearty prawn]

ye

it trades stocks

[royal jetty]

what does it trade, like actual stocks irl?

[hearty prawn]

with defineitly real money, trust me on this one

it trades actuall stocks on my paper account

we started with 200k

[royal jetty]

so not actual money

[hearty prawn]

now at 426 k

no not actuall money

[viscid flume]

ok ok i thought it did use real money would be interesting on heroku

[pliant canyon]

put commas

[royal jetty]

gib invite

[pliant canyon]

👍

[hearty prawn]

too lazy

[pliant canyon]

brh

[hearty prawn]

i send the invite

lemme see what stocks we own

[viscid flume]

the last part is cents..

[pliant canyon]

f"{amount:,}"

[pliant canyon]

yes

[hearty prawn]

right we sold everything

[summer robin]

To wump or not to wump.

[viscid flume]

oh i thought you meant like a comma instead of the decimal point lol

[sick olive]

That sounds so wrong on so many levels haha

[hearty prawn]

only stocks we own

[pliant canyon]

petition to add this emote

[hearty prawn]

istg someONE bought snowneo

[lofty cypress]

Krillin is unbased

We only accept yamcha memes here

That is krillin right, i cant tell on account of there only being like 4 pixels there

[summer robin]

Kuririn

[hearty prawn]

not me buying 1 dollar of bitcoin and checking it every 4 seconds

[royal jetty]

this will 100% be added here

[hearty prawn]

aLSO I MADE GOOD MONEY OF ETH yest

[pliant canyon]

undoubtedly

[hearty prawn]

eth for up 2 percent and when i woke up it was like 6

[viscid flume]

oh speaking of eth when they go to proof of stake its going to take 146,075.84$ to become a validator

seems like scams

and thats just now but it’s really just 32 eth so when it undoubtably goes up by then it will cost more

[hearty prawn]

ahaha

[solid prawn]

thank you

[wintry copper]

Welcome

[pliant canyon]

bruh u have stickers for everything

[fallen tangle]

how do i stop font hopping 😔

i switched from ibm plex mono to fira code to meslo lg to fira code to jetbrains mono to sf mono all in 3 days

[onyx ice]

Easy, I started to use Fira Code and never changed it again

[fallen tangle]

i like fira code, but other fonts entice me too 😔

[pliant canyon]

combine them all

and make all of them look shit

[fallen tangle]

o wow

[pliant canyon]

so u will search for other fonts

[fallen tangle]

yes

im always looking for TheIdealFont™️

[rigid cliff]

Comic Sans Mono

[lofty cypress]

comic sans mono is actually very nice

[summer robin]

Have you considered the thinking font?

[static trout]

#TechnicallyTrue

[fallen tangle]

bruh

[summer robin]

Great font

[quasi cape]

i didnt realize its all 🤔

[summer robin]

That's what makes it great.

[abstract peak]

apple themed firefox looks so cool!

[pliant canyon]

LMAO

[lofty cypress]

Who

[serene dagger]

truly an exemplar genshin impact player

[thick widget]

you better not know..

[thick widget]

lolololol

[lofty cypress]

Know what

Is this some weeb shit im too well adjusted to understand

[ocean walrus]

Hi :D

[serene dagger]

bye D:

[mystic urchin]

Hello 🙂

[ocean walrus]

Firacode superiority

[ocean walrus]

How dare you

[abstract peak]

I use fira code even in browsers

[ocean walrus]

Lmao

I use hack pro for my browser mono space font

[abstract peak]

lemme see how that looks

[mystic urchin]

IMO monospace is better..., just IMO

[abstract peak]

looks good but fira code is just 👑

[ocean walrus]

Hack pro is a mono space font

[abstract peak]

@ocean walrus 🤷‍♂️

[mystic urchin]

I'm forgetting the name.. wait.. the defualt one in xfce

[ocean walrus]

Agreed agreed

[ocean walrus]

Ofc

Amateurs

[abstract peak]

sad

:(

[ocean walrus]

Oop

[mystic urchin]

I'm too bored with Monokai in sublime, and I cannot decide among other themes...

[onyx ice]

Its about quality over quantity

[mystic urchin]

any sugesstions?

[serene dagger]

u saying that "Hi :D" isnt quality? heresy

[abstract peak]

lmao

[flat gull]

anyone here that uses vscode for python... do yall know how to fix this?

[ocean walrus]

One dark

[onyx ice]

You are keeping me on my toes with the constant nickname and profile changes

[abstract peak]

click python (bottom right)

[ocean walrus]

One dark superiority

[summer robin]

Thinking font only

[abstract peak]

select interpreter from there

[ocean walrus]

Are you implying that my messages aren't quality???

[serene dagger]

im the imposter

[abstract peak]

you've installed python right?

[mystic urchin]

looks a lot like atom editor...

[ocean walrus]

Best color scheme

[solid prawn]

yes

[ocean walrus]

True true

[onyx ice]

Don't use the Code Runner extension, I find it's behavior very weird

[abstract peak]

Lies

[solid prawn]

D:

[ocean walrus]

Lies

[onyx ice]

not at all aboo, you're messages are great

[mystic urchin]

Kinda nice, agree

[upper turret]

Gnome is poggers

[ocean walrus]

Thank you Brad

I'm flattered

See hsp

[abstract peak]

yeah :)

[onyx ice]

This is a great example of a great message

[thick widget]

theyre beautiful dont worry

[serene dagger]

hi flattered im dad

[thick widget]

iron male > sigma male?

[ocean walrus]

Hm

[serene dagger]

yes

[ocean walrus]

Ok

[mystic urchin]

fe is iron, nicely noticed

[thick widget]

ye

[mystic urchin]

Try Xfce,(except default, using themes like Qogir) looks cool and is so light....

[ocean walrus]

Hm

[pseudo pivot]

Guys like if once in ur life u got to choose 2 languages for ur carrier, which 2 languages will you continue learning or will choose in between all of the present rn?

I want to become a programmer but I don't know which languages do I need to learn as my primary and as my secondary

[ocean walrus]

Why restrict yourself to two

Learn as many as you want

[pseudo pivot]

I mean just for starting

Not for the whole life

[ocean walrus]

Focus on one

If your just starting

[pseudo pivot]

As I said primary and secondary so ofc I will focus first on primary

[ocean walrus]

Python is a great start

[short oyster]

I wouldn't force yourself to choose a primary and secondary until you have an idea about what kind of programming your personally enjoy

[mystic urchin]

As a first lang, i'll say learn Java, since it's fully OOP, or learn Python, if you like to learn on ur own..

[pseudo pivot]

Web dev and app dev

[ocean walrus]

Python is also fully oop

[lofty cypress]

JS

[modest flint]

anything web related = JavaScript at this point

[ocean walrus]

Yeah

[short oyster]

What you want to do and what you enjoy to code will likely inform which languages are best suited for you

[modest flint]

It's not my favorite language, but it's more or less indispensible for web

[mystic urchin]

Not as OOP as Java

[ocean walrus]

JS is pretty much necessary in the web

[ocean walrus]

Oop enough :P

[abstract peak]

noooooooo

[ocean walrus]

And once you've learned it, you can always ditch it for typescript

[abstract peak]

JS makes me sad

[lofty cypress]

java isnt more oop just cause it forces you to put everything in a class

[mystic urchin]

but it's not that great for first lang

[lofty cypress]

JS is perfect for a first lang

[mystic urchin]

I mean stricter OOP

[abstract peak]

⭐ TS

[ocean walrus]

How is it stricter

[short oyster]

I would say Python is as object oriented as Java, but it also has some functional attributes and doesn't force you to use OOP

[pseudo pivot]

I don't know what 2 languages shall I choose as my primary and secondary language

[ocean walrus]

Js would be a fine first language

[mystic urchin]

Yeah,

[lofty cypress]

JS and literally any other lang

[ocean walrus]

Python is good too

It has a slew of tools for web development

[lofty cypress]

JS/python works, JS/C# works, just pick one

[sick olive]

Would HTML count as a language (I think that's the one you use for web development)

[ocean walrus]

And you don't necessarily need to restrict yourself to two

Don't keep a second language in mind yet

Focus on your first one

[lofty cypress]

HTML and css are included in JS imho

[mystic urchin]

But, if you look at data types logic and ugly thing of JS such as 1+2+3+"4"

[onyx ice]

I know python, and hello world in rust and C++

[lofty cypress]

bro this is such a non issue, are you for real

[mystic urchin]

and such type wirdness

[summer robin]

@ocean walrus

[lofty cypress]

its not weird at all if you understand what type coercion is and how JS does it

[ocean walrus]

Downfalls of weak typing, but it's still a fine first language

[ocean walrus]

Wtf

[short oyster]

I wouldn't really count html as a programming language, there isn't any logic to be found for it. It's a markup language, designed to build up the structure of a webpage

[proper anvil]

L is for language 😎 but not a programming language like others are saying

[short oyster]

JS has some issues and "quirks", but that doesn't make it unusable

[summer robin]

It's in the name, markup language

[ocean walrus]

Html + css Turing complete 👀

[clear root]

modern JS is really nice

[ocean walrus]

And once you've learned js , you can always learn ts

[mystic urchin]

i like js a lot since, it's easy and has a huge community but it stands out in the way of doing things

[lofty cypress]

the JS "1" + 1 = "11" issue is literally the same as if <iterable>:

[short oyster]

isn't that assuming the spacebar is advancing it/the input?

[sick olive]

I'm sorry I don't really know a lot about programming. I don't even know what HTML stands for, my apologies.

[ocean walrus]

https://javascript.info/ I highly recommend this tutorial

[short oyster]

My biggest gripe with JS is that it fails silently and that drives me nuts

[ocean walrus]

Hm, I don't know all too much about it lol

[pseudo pivot]

Dont know why but I have a list of 7 Lang's but don't know what to use as my primary

[summer robin]

Hyper text markup language

[short oyster]

"did that actually work or is js lying to me"

[ocean walrus]

Use whatever language is best for the task at hand

[clear root]

"use strict"; makes JS fail a lot louder

[ocean walrus]

Always use strict

[mystic urchin]

undefined has no property "foo"

[ocean walrus]

Function is not a function :P

[clear root]

no need to apologise for not knowing something, that's the default after all

[ocean walrus]

https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs

https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs#function-is-not-a-function

[onyx ice]

.wtf python

[pseudo pivot]

And wha best language combinations u guys can think of?

Just curious

[ocean walrus]

Hm, for web dev?

[onyx ice]

CSS and HTML

[clear root]

there isn't a reasonably sized set of languages that are universal enough to be called best

[ocean walrus]

Amateurs, who needs css, my web pages are pretty by default

[onyx ice]

Python and JS

[clear root]

I know quite a few languages and still there are a lot of things that I would have to learn more languages to do effectively

[short oyster]

oh yeah, that reminds me. I wanted to open an issue for that. I think it would be neat if you do .wtf with no query, it links you to the repo directly

[ocean walrus]

.wtf python

[median swallow]

WTF Python?!

Search result for 'python': ▶ Okay Python, Can you make me fly?
Go to Repository Section

[onyx ice]

That's a good idea!

[clear root]

between C++, python, ARM and x86 assembly, prolog, haskell and TypeScript you cover the majority of possible problems you can solve as a programmer

but that is a lot of things to know

[upper turret]

Oh what is proloy for

[clear root]

and still there are a lot of things where a different language would be significantly better

[lofty cypress]

prolog is for bigbrains

[ocean walrus]

Lmao

[clear root]

if you run into a problem like the social golfer problem, prolog is often the only reasonably fast way to solve it IRL

I know of someone who had to figure out how to send surveys to employees in a sensible way

and prolog was the only viable way to do it

in reasonable time

[upper turret]

Damn

[clear root]

actually, add Coq into the list, you probably want a proof assistant of sorts

[upper turret]

What about Haskell

[proper anvil]

haskell was in there lol

[clear root]

Haskell can give you type safety in ways few other languages can, and unlike those few other languages, it is actually useful

[pseudo pivot]

Only 1 pair? Btw thanks

[onyx ice]

Take it with a massive grain of salt

[clear root]

for webdev, you should probably just stick with JS

node.js is great

[proper anvil]

i have a math background so i've always wanted to get into working with theorem provers and stuff

[pseudo pivot]

Ok if I don't want to go for web dev then what?

[clear root]

well, then what do you want to do?

[mystic urchin]

JS is pretty much sufficient for webdev(front +backend)

[proper anvil]

python and C maybe depending on what you want to do

[mystic urchin]

Kotlin, and/or Java

[clear root]

if you want to make GUI apps, JS, C++, C# are great options.
If you want to write scientific stuffs, python, C++, fortran, julia

if you want to contribute to the linux kernel, C

[mystic urchin]

Cybersec:-, ruby, js, python, go, c

[pseudo pivot]

@mystic urchin I don't think learning kotlin and Java makes any sense

Cause learning any one of them will be fine

[mystic urchin]

Just in case if u want to go to android dev

[stone gyro]

it'd be hard to not pick up any java by doing kotlin

[mystic urchin]

yeah.. must hv said or

[upper turret]

Kinda funny that no one mentioned rust

[clear root]

there isn't an area where rust can do everything you want from that area

[mystic urchin]

It's nice for anything almost

[clear root]

or well, webdev, but is rust really better than node.js?

[mystic urchin]

it is immature imo

[upper turret]

fair

[stone gyro]

i had to write a small amount of JS lately and I think I have a newfound appreciation for just about every other language

[mystic urchin]

since, most things in rust are basically C ports to Rust

[mystic urchin]

lol

[upper turret]

lmao

[stone gyro]

imagine having iterators, with map and filter and nice things 😔

[upper turret]

Do I start web dev with TS or F#

[pseudo pivot]

I am just a student till now so guys can you suggest me 2 Lang's that I should learn first. I want to become a programmer. I will continue with more Lang's after I complete my first two. (Plz exclude python)

[stone gyro]

C# wouldn't be bad, I guess

[upper turret]

I mean the obvious answer would be TS but I like f# a lot

[burnt tinsel]

I made a fun project lol
https://github.com/SONIC-CODEZ/Discord-Login-System

[ocean walrus]

Then go for f#

[upper turret]

🙏

[burnt tinsel]

It's decent but kinda scuffed

[pseudo pivot]

Anyone?

[upper turret]

Isn't that against discord tos

[burnt tinsel]

?

I made it in the terminal

The input and output

Not the actual lol

[upper turret]

Hm idk

[burnt tinsel]

You can check it

[mystic urchin]

Have you tested it...

[burnt tinsel]

It works

That's y I added it to GitHub

[short oyster]

did you read the code?

[burnt tinsel]

It isn't that scuffed tbh

[flat gull]

yeah

[burnt tinsel]

You can check it

[upper turret]

Nope

[clear root]

why do you want 2 languages

[upper turret]

Just the description looked sus

[sonic glacier]

@clear root have you used Lean? I've been considering learning it

[burnt tinsel]

It's definitely not breaking tos

[short oyster]

I would read the code in the repo itself before saying it's against ToS

[burnt tinsel]

Have you checked

[clear root]

no, I am avoiding proof assistants for now

[upper turret]

Okay sorry

[short oyster]

read through it quickly, yeah

[burnt tinsel]

Thanks

[flat gull]

okay i did that, what do i do after?

[mystic urchin]

in line 28, seems like u made a mistake in sequence

[clear root]

I have heard good things about lean though

[burnt tinsel]

It works somehow 😅

[sonic glacier]

i've heard it has a warning for implicitly assuming the axiom of choice, which I found incredibly funny

[mystic urchin]

starred it, cause it's kinda hard to get stars...

[burnt tinsel]

Thanks

[mystic urchin]

np,

[pseudo pivot]

@clear root ok Even more than 2 is ok I just want to know which languages do I need to learn to solve almost every programming problems

[burnt tinsel]

Java, python is one of them

And u can try c++

[clear root]

too many to be practical

[burnt tinsel]

400 lmfao

[pseudo pivot]

To be a proper programmer I need to learn many Lang's so it is ok

[clear root]

no programmer can do all of programming

[ocean walrus]

you don't need to know many to be a proper programmer

[burnt tinsel]

And useful ones

[clear root]

people just know the section they find interesting

sometimes the section is wide

r

[ocean walrus]

You said you like web dev, right?

[pseudo pivot]

I am just asking for some of the main Lang's to solve most of the probs

[burnt tinsel]

Imagine brainfuck

[ocean walrus]

Learn JS

[clear root]

yeah, JS is probably your best bet

[ocean walrus]

you want to do web dev, right?

[burnt tinsel]

For frontend mostly

[clear root]

even for backend JS is excellent

[ocean walrus]

why not backend

[burnt tinsel]

Node.js?

[clear root]

ye

[ocean walrus]

Sure, JS is good for backend

[burnt tinsel]

Ahh...

[sonic glacier]

because you dont have to

[pseudo pivot]

I just like it and a web dev is good but I want to learn some of the main Lang's like python

[ocean walrus]

Is JS not a main language

[summer robin]

JS is also Great for comedy.

[pseudo pivot]

To solve most of the programming problems

[ocean walrus]

theres not language that can solve all programming problems well

[pseudo pivot]

Not all cause that's not possible

[burnt tinsel]

react.js is my best bet for front end

[ocean walrus]

Svelte supremacy

[clear root]

to amend my list: C++, python, ARM and x86 assembly, prolog, haskell, Coq, HLSL, VHDL and TypeScript will handle quite a bit, but not everything.

[ocean walrus]

JS + Python would work

[burnt tinsel]

ye

[clear root]

which you stand no chance of learning in a lifetime

[ocean walrus]

whats wrong with those two

[clear root]

learn python+JS, see what you like and specialise

[ocean walrus]

amateurs, imagine not knowing every language in existence

[summer robin]

PythonScript when.

[ocean walrus]

theres brython :P

python can compile to wasm, yes? So a WASM framework for python would be nice to see

[onyx ice]

binary. checkmate

[ocean walrus]

lmao

[burnt tinsel]

Malbolge.

[jade wedge]

Yes finally my microbit is here. I can code with python on it but the board does not have pip so let me load all lib by myself lol

[ocean walrus]

malbolge is higher level than binary :p

[summer robin]

Dutch

[burnt tinsel]

It's so easy to learn!1!1!1!1

[sonic glacier]

i'd rather code in binary though

[ocean walrus]

amateurs, I program in russian

who needs english

[onyx ice]

Malbolge is a public domain esoteric programming language invented by Ben Olmstead in 1998, named after the eighth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno

[ocean walrus]

oop gtg

[burnt tinsel]

Pfttt, I program in alien langauge aka Galactic langauge

Cya

[mystic urchin]

whoa..

[sonic glacier]

wait til you read the really bad parts

[burnt tinsel]

Lol

[onyx ice]

I'll stay away from it

[burnt tinsel]

I will try to learn it 😅

That is if there are any tuts for it lol

[pseudo pivot]

I am trying to find some Lang's that can help me solve almost 50%-70% programming problems but don't know that what to choose. I don't know why but yes I want to become a programmer and need some help from u guys cause as much as I have seen most of u guys have a job and have experience that could be a bit helpful for a student like me 🙏

[burnt tinsel]

Python + JS

[rigid cliff]

if you learn 1 language, you can easily learn another, solving any problems you had with the first

hardest part is learning the fundamental concepts

[pseudo pivot]

I see

[modest flint]

as others have said, learning any one language gives you the keys to learning generally.

[sonic glacier]

The first "Hello, world!" program written in it was produced by a Lisp program using a local beam search of the space of all possible programs
GL

[flat gull]

then how am i supposed to run python code?

[burnt tinsel]

Ok, I already give up learning it

[onyx ice]

In VS Code? It should be built in once you select an interpreter

[summer robin]

Triangle in top right corner

[burnt tinsel]

What's that theme

[onyx ice]

Andromeda

With some transparency

[burnt tinsel]

I used it alot back then

Vibrancy extension looks cool

[mystic urchin]

i think that learning a statically typed lang is the best start.. cause after that you will feel dynamically typed langs to be easier

[mystic urchin]

My opinion

[onyx ice]

Bigger photo

[burnt tinsel]

that's so pog

How did u add that background

[onyx ice]

Its my desktop

[mystic urchin]

Colourful... a lot

[burnt tinsel]

Vibrancy?

[onyx ice]

just transparency (GlassIt Extension)

[burnt tinsel]

That's Andromeda?

[burnt tinsel]

Ty

[onyx ice]

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=s-nlf-fh.glassit

[burnt tinsel]

Imma install it

[onyx ice]

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=EliverLara.andromeda

[flat gull]

oh thanks so much i uninstalled code runner and it works now

[burnt tinsel]

Ty @onyx ice

[proven sand]

two random questions about these very channels

[pseudo pivot]

@mystic urchin can you suggest me some statically typed languages

[proven sand]

• are the names randomly generated?
• how often do they change?

[thick widget]

ayo why is my program slowing down after a minute or two?

[mystic urchin]

cpp, rust, type script, java, etc

[onyx ice]

The ot names are added by mods to a big list (1500 ish I think) and they rotate at 0 UTC every day

[proven sand]

wrong message :p

[mystic urchin]

my bad..

[thick widget]

its not cpp its ccp 😡😡 -4 social credit

[burnt tinsel]

Lmao

[mystic urchin]

?

[thick widget]

glory to the ccp!

[proven sand]

it's a joke about the chinese communist party

[mystic urchin]

oh, just whoosed over...

[thick widget]

not joke 😡

[pseudo pivot]

@mystic urchin ?

[summer robin]

They are mostly staff in jokes

[mystic urchin]

yeah, cpp, rust, typescript, Java, etc... these have strong type enforcement

[onyx ice]

!otn s brad

[proven sand]

fair enough

[thick widget]

btw when did this ot-name thing start?

[burnt tinsel]

Joe-is-JoeMama

No offense btw

[short oyster]

The off topic name thing has been a thing for awhiiiile

( #ot2-egg-is-gluten-free is us all having to turn zig up to 200% during staff meetings because his mic is very soft)

[thick widget]

lol

[burnt tinsel]

Ahh... I see

Lmao

[summer robin]

When he gets a proper mic we'll all be getting hearing damage.

[thick widget]

anyways ill brb and always remember, glory to the ccp!

[burnt tinsel]

Lol

[mystic urchin]

kinda reminds me of one of my friends.. he said hail ussr every 5 mins or so...

[wintry copper]

We added OT names in Apr 2019 😄

So almost 3 years ago

[onyx ice]

Whats the list length now?

[summer robin]

Glory to the cpp!

[thick widget]

• 56 social credit 😊 😊

[short oyster]

oh damn, the names remaining are getting short

[mystic urchin]

he said cpp, not ccp... lmao

[thick widget]

WHAT

[sick olive]

Learning about regular expressions , why would epsilon be included here ? I thought it has start with a or b

[mystic urchin]

see

[onyx ice]

1,400 over three years is about 1.2 names added per day

[summer robin]

C plus plus

[thick widget]

-43298 social credit 😡

[sonic glacier]

excuse me what

[wintry copper]

lol, GitHub said 3 years ago, and I was like what

[sick olive]

The epsilon refers to an empty string, I think

[mystic urchin]

@summer robin btw, your about me is very motivational..

[sick olive]

Null set symbol… I think

[mystic urchin]

made my day..

[sick olive]

Yes , but (a|b) I thought it couldnt be empty

[ocean walrus]

damn

!otn s

do non staff have perms to search otns?

[wintry copper]

nope, helpers don't either

it spoils the fun

[short oyster]

nope, only mods and admins

[onyx ice]

[ocean walrus]

ah ok

[ocean walrus]

oh yeah

[sick olive]

Yeah, but the asterisk means "at least 0 of the previous character/group"

[mystic urchin]

!otn r

[short oyster]

if you know the old syntax for how they added old otns you can even find when lemon, gdude, and I think volccy went HAM and turbo added the initial set

[ocean walrus]

hah

[onyx ice]

!otn s brad

[mystic urchin]

does it allow use of regex

[onyx ice]

I think I have 1 ot name

[sick olive]

(a|b)∗ , is it not it has start with a or b then it can have 0 or any character after it

[ocean walrus]

I also have one otn

[sick olive]

That behaviour should be the plus sign instead

[sick olive]

oh

so if there is a plus then it has to start with that character or chracters ?

[summer robin]

Black magic is outlawed.

[sick olive]

Hmm, in what sense? If you want a string to start (and end) a specific way, you can use anchors instead; plus signs and asterisks are less about that and more about repetition of characters/groups

[thick widget]

thats 2.5 years ago

[sick olive]

whats a anchor

[wintry copper]

GitHub rounded up to 1 SF, so I did too 😄

[thick widget]

man the platform code i wrote is so trash

[sick olive]

I think your learning material would talk about that

[summer robin]

This is just so creepy, the flavor text, the art

[thick widget]

whats better: != True or == False?

[summer robin]

is False

[thick widget]

ok lol

[summer robin]

not var

[thick widget]

hm

so none of the ones i mentioned?

[plain osprey]

depends on the context

[ocean walrus]

nope

[plain osprey]

go for the one that is more understandable/readable based on what you're coding

[onyx ice]

if this_var is False:

[thick widget]

that actually sounds like english

[onyx ice]

Pretty readable then

[plain osprey]

it's satisfying when that happens

[thick widget]

im gonna use is False from now

[plain osprey]

i was mentioning in context of != and ==; but the one you mentioned is more readable

[ocean walrus]

is and == do different things, use whatever makes sense for what your comparing

[plain osprey]

hmmm

[ocean walrus]

is compares the identity of two objects, == compares equality

[plain osprey]

identity in what sense?

[ocean walrus]

id(object)

!e ```py
x = "foo"
print(id(x))

[obtuse swallow]

@ocean walrus :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

139697729627632

[plain osprey]

so like what sort of object the thing is?

[summer robin]

is will check if it's actually False, not just a falsy object

[thick widget]

cant believe i had 6 lines for something to do trash when i could use 1 line for it to do a wayyyyy better job

[modest flint]

There is only one instance ever of False, True, None in a Python program, so it's fastest to compare identity for those things

and also more accurate in many respects

you can have something that evaluates to True without being True itself, and that can create subtle bugs if you ignore that behavior

[ocean walrus]

an example would be non empty strings

any non empty string evaluates to True, since its truthy, but it isn't actually true

[modest flint]

if mystring: evals to False if mystring = ''

[sonic glacier]

each object is a distinct place in memory, each object has a unique id

[ocean walrus]

and those are called singletons, yes?

[modest flint]

yup, because only one instance exists at a time

[plain osprey]

not yet quite grasping it; prolly will read up on it at one point but i'll keep in mind to use is over == in boolean cases

[thick widget]

yeaaaa

[summer robin]

When you use is, only the actual boolean will pass the if, when you use == a lot of other things can also pass.

[thick widget]

i love when kids use logic to pronounce words based on their spelling but get destroyed by english's rules

[summer robin]

As if that's based on rules.

[ocean walrus]

you could also do if not self.collis

[summer robin]

not x follows the same logic as the ==/!= with the conversions

[thick widget]

yes but what i did resembles english more

so its easier to read

how could i

im a disappointment to meself

[pseudo pivot]

Guys any reason why ruby is like dieing rn?

[summer robin]

Because the remake is releasing soon

[pseudo pivot]

Wdym?

[ocean walrus]

remake?

[pseudo pivot]

Ruby remake?

Sounds like bruh

[summer robin]

Oh, Omega Ruby released in 2014

[thick widget]

LOL

[pseudo pivot]

Pokemon?

[summer robin]

Yes

[ocean walrus]

lmao

[plain osprey]

i thought you peeps were referring to the language ruby lol

[pseudo pivot]

I mean by ruby language