ot0-no-stealth-portals-please

[pseudo pivot]

Any reason why is it dieing

@summer robin

[fathom yew]

Lies

[sick olive]

sup risen new profile?

syntax error?

[fathom yew]

yeah, name also gonna change

[fathom yew]

yeah xD

[lofty cypress]

Ruby is based

[fathom yew]

*biased

[lofty cypress]

A real hidden gem if you will

Badum ts

[sick olive]

who would have figured that out if it wasnt for the extremely concealed bracket at the front of the name?

[summer robin]

No clue, never used it, don't even know what kind of lang it is.

[fathom yew]

lmao yeah 😂 😂

[lofty cypress]

Its similar to python and used extensively in webdev

[pseudo pivot]

Is it worth learning after learning python?

[lofty cypress]

RoR used to dominate

[fathom yew]

yes, why not lol ~~at the cost of you boosting the server... absolutely ~~

[lofty cypress]

If you already know python you dont gain much by learning ruby

Similar paradigms similar syntax

Similar web niche

[pseudo pivot]

Ok so in that case I think better for me not to learn it as my primary

[lofty cypress]

Learn js already

[fathom yew]

why??

[dim flicker]

You've been told multiple times to go with js

If you don't want to just say it, no need to make us guess.

[pseudo pivot]

@dim flicker btw when did I ask for a laang?

[lofty cypress]

You've been asking for a couple hours now

[fathom yew]

if this is so... @pseudo pivot... don't be stuck in choosing a language I already have wasted time in it

[ocean walrus]

we've given you an answer quite a few times now

[pseudo pivot]

I was just asking about the reason why ruby was dieing and u guys thought I was asking for a lang

[fathom yew]

I would pin your message if I were a mod that's why I'm not in the staff

[pseudo pivot]

No offense

[ocean walrus]

its fine

[dim flicker]

It's alright

[lofty cypress]

This primary/secondary lang thing has been going on since before i went to lunch 3h ago

[pseudo pivot]

Thanks

[fathom yew]

it's okay

[ocean walrus]

JS is what your looking for, so go ahead and learn that

[lofty cypress]

1. JS
2. Whatever other lang you want

[pseudo pivot]

Js and have some more langs in my list btw guys can u tell me the difference between C# and C++?

[burnt tinsel]

hi

[pseudo pivot]

Hi bud

[empty flint]

What's the difference between Java Script and Java ?

[burnt tinsel]

Hi

[fathom yew]

kutiekat secretly keeping an 👁️ on us

[lofty cypress]

The similarity between js and java is the name only

[fathom yew]

lol yeah

[empty flint]

Ahh okay

[short oyster]

it would be easier to tell you what's similar, because they're very different

off topic is my OG stomping grounds on this server, I always lurk here

[onyx ice]

This is so true

[fathom yew]

lol I rarely see you here

[summer robin]

Java Script, Java (the language) and Java (the island) are all very similar.

[ocean walrus]

hah

[burnt tinsel]

why did u step down from an admin

[pseudo pivot]

Guys can someone tell me what's the difference between C++ and C#

[burnt tinsel]

Lol

[lofty cypress]

Same thing as JS and Java

[empty flint]

C# is C sharp, right ?

[lofty cypress]

Yes

[ocean walrus]

Yep

[burnt tinsel]

Ye

[ocean walrus]

aha beat you to it

[short oyster]

I'm very busy and my life is very hectic. Given that I felt I wasn't being a good contributor to the admin team and could feel myself burning out. So I stepped back to narrow my focus on just events so I don't burn out from this discord as a whole

[dim flicker]

No, it's C-number ||/s||

[burnt tinsel]

Ahh...

[dim flicker]

Kat, are you still home sick?

[wintry copper]

C hashtag?

[lofty cypress]

C-pound

[wintry copper]

now that's a blast from the past lol

[summer robin]

If by sick you mean slang for very cool.

[pseudo pivot]

I am never gonna go for c#, I hate this lang

[wintry copper]

Kat is very cool, hence the hat

[summer robin]

Oh, it's the Kat in the hat.

[dim flicker]

that's gold

Pure gold

[pseudo pivot]

React.js is the best front end framework and I love it

Angular needs typescript right?

[wintry copper]

Yea, react is real nice, we've been migrating our work app from angular to react

[dim flicker]

Kat in the hat was better IMO

[wintry copper]

We still use typescript for react

[short oyster]

yes I am!

[wintry copper]

It's a strict superset of js

[pseudo pivot]

Wdym by work app?

[summer robin]

ah, so that was the title, was doubting myself

[dim flicker]

Yep

[wintry copper]

An app that the company I work for makes 😄

[pseudo pivot]

I see

[dim flicker]

Why do you sound so exited about that lol

[wintry copper]

app in the broad term, rather than specifically a mobile app

[upper turret]

oh react > angular?

[pseudo pivot]

For me yes

Some people may find it wrong but yes I love react more than angular

[short oyster]

Adding exclamation points to almost all of my sentences is an addiction I cannot break

[wintry copper]

It depends on your preferences, many different devs will give difference opinions

[upper turret]

interesting

angular dart devs suggest using flutter web lmao

[dim flicker]

Ahh. It's better to sound happy and exited than sad and depressed though so it's not too bad

[short oyster]

actually me: https://pics.awwmemes.com/thread-kathleen-barber-follow-me-katelizabee-every-email-i-ever-63880127.png

like literally writing any announcement for this server

[summer robin]

I never use ! when I'm manic.

[short oyster]

also this https://pics.awwmemes.com/buff-cookie-springrooove-adult-email-culture-is-ending-every-43003273.png

[dim flicker]

Your ration is 3:1 exclamation marks to periods in your most recent announcement

That's not too bad

[short oyster]

... I spent a fair amount of time editing that down

[dim flicker]

Don't worry, it gives the announcement good energy

I would rather read an announcement with all exclamation marks then with all periods

[onyx ice]

no punctuation
just line breaks

[dim flicker]

*semicolons

[mortal hull]

same!

[dim flicker]

this is what a proper announcement should look like;

please follow the new, modern writing etiquette;

I'm sad to say that I had to look up how to spell etiquette

[sonic glacier]

this is a python server; semicolons are against our code of conduct

[onyx ice]

HelllLLLLlllooOOOoOoO PYTHON DISCORD!

This is a high energy, exciting announcement! Read on to learn more!

Curious how to write a message that is captivating? Does your written English fail to attract eyeballs?

Just add some random case lettering and exclamation points! Bonus: write sentences as hooks and change up the pacing through varied sentence lengths.

[lofty cypress]

just do the whole announcement through .randomcase

[dim flicker]

I could see an announcement like that being put out here

[lofty cypress]

.randomcase ezpz

[median swallow]

EZPz

[sick olive]

whaat?

[stone gyro]

Bonus: write sentences as hooks
reader.add_hook(reader.COMPREHEND, lambda: sentence) ?

[onyx ice]

Looks good to me!

[proper anvil]

😄 || 🔫 ||

[median swallow]

HewWWWWWwwWWOOoOOooOO PYFoN DiscOwD!

Dis is a High eNeWgY, EXCitING ANnoUNCEMeNT! weaD On tO Weawn mOwE!

CUWIOuS HOW tO WwiTE a mesSagE dat is captivATing? DOES Yur WwITteN engWiSH fAIW tO ATtWaCt eyeBAwWS?

juSt ADD SUM WANDOM caSe wEttEWIng AnD EXCWAmaTIoN PoINts! BONuS: wWItE SENTences As HoOks anD cHAnGE Up De PaCinG dWOugh vawied sEnteNCe wenGds.

[onyx ice]

who the fuck !int e'd an .uwu message of that?

[dim flicker]

That would be me

But I didn't int e it

Simply .randomcased it

[onyx ice]

.uwu That would be me
But I didn't int e it
Simply .randomcased it

[median swallow]

Dat wouwd be me
But I didn't int e it
Simpwy .wandomcased it

.uwU THAt wOuLd Be Me
BUT i DIDN'T inT e It
SiMPLY .RandOmCasED it

[onyx ice]

oh you deleted after

[dim flicker]

Yeah

[onyx ice]

Yeah its from Sir-Lancebot not Python

[dim flicker]

Could someone check how many messages I've deleted vs how many messages I've posted? (If you're allowed to tell me that is)

[sonic glacier]

it's hard to count from our logs since it mixes the message deletions with message edits and discord search isnt great

[solid prawn]

count it manually duh

[dim flicker]

Ahh ok, no problem

[thin kraken]

Why are the general chats name like that

[sick olive]

I also wanna know

[plain osprey]

or create a python program!

[sonic glacier]

we have a large pool of OT names, and the channel names are switched daily

[short oyster]

mods and admins can add to the pool of names, they're usually funny moments and jokes from this server

[mortal wagon]

Hey guys quick question

What's the site for pasting python code called?

[sick olive]

You mean https://paste.pythondiscord.com ?

It is called a Pastebin or Hastebin

[mortal wagon]

Hastebin yeah

Thanks

[sick olive]

Depends on your mood

[sick olive]

Yeah

[static trout]

why is it so curved now

[thick widget]

YES

[lofty cypress]

because sharp edges are soooooo 2008

[thick widget]

lol

theyre 2015 actually

i dont miss being 7

neither 12

[static trout]

2008 was curved actually

because that was windows 7's era

[thick widget]

only miss being 10, 4, (6 kind of)

[lofty cypress]

ok boomer

imagine actually remembering things

[thick widget]

11 very less but i feel i missed out on 2019

[lofty cypress]

wtf

[thick widget]

lol

[thick widget]

yooo win 7

my love

my game's fast in the beginning, but keeping it open for some time slows it down

is there any reason to this?

[solid prawn]

mem leak?

[stone gyro]

⭐ profile it ⭐

[thick widget]

?

[thick widget]

probably, but idk what part of my code does it

[solid prawn]

⭐ profile it ⭐

[dusky inlet]

mem leak in python?

[stone gyro]

yes

[dusky inlet]

how

[thick widget]

⭐ what does that mean ⭐

[stone gyro]

you forget that you have a giant list that keeps references to tons of objects that reference others, that's how. At least that's what I did that time.

[dusky inlet]

oh

[solid prawn]

profilers are tools that tell you which lines of your code are responsible for the most time/memory consumption

[thick widget]

hmm

[stone gyro]

run it with cProfile, show the results with snakeviz, rejoice

[solid prawn]

i think you might have to postpone the rejoicement part to when you actually solve the issue

[sonic glacier]

my weirdest memory leak was creatures that remember the last creature they see, so when they die it wasnt updating, so I was producing a very large directed graph of dead creatures that remembered older, also dead creatures

[solid prawn]

why dont i have these cool bugs

my worst bug so far has been removing from a list i was iterating over

[static trout]

more accurate
run it with cProfile, show the results with snakeviz, think it's an easy fix (it isnt), spend 2 hours on it, start crying, while crying find the bug, and then rejoice

[thick widget]

thank you for instructions

can i cry first tho?

[dusky inlet]

stop using bug spray it scares them away

[stone gyro]

run it with cProfile, show the results with snakeviz, realise you need to rewrite half your program in Rust

[static trout]

yes that is an option too

[dim flicker]

I can just imagine a programmer spraying bug spray all over their pc and monitors

[thick widget]

yay 😭😭

https://youtu.be/T23s3O6iSiU masterpiece

[static trout]

what dunder is called when you get an item using an index

like thing[(3, 5)]

[dusky inlet]

getitem

i think

[sonic glacier]

yeah

[solid prawn]

ye

[hollow holly]

My worst bug was a bug I spent two days trying to debug with a profiler till I realize I couldn’t solve it, it was a problem on behalf of the API I was using

[plain osprey]

donut cheese cake

a new dessert

[static trout]

x = Grid(3, 3, [Object(Coordinate(3, 2), "huh")])

print(x[3, 2])

is it worth bothering about the Object() class

because it's only useful to find coordinates

but i think it can be quite a bother

[thick widget]

today i am ver agry 😡

[static trout]

ok

[pliant canyon]

unanger urself

[thick widget]

my mom ate my dog 😡😡

[static trout]

ok

[ocean walrus]

wat

[pliant canyon]

damn

tell her to un eat it

[thick widget]

for the 55th time

anyway

[static trout]

^

[arctic solstice]

hoi

[golden lynx]

You guys think it's worth it to go to win11?

[onyx ice]

Its been fine with me

Other than a random bug where alt tabbing doesn't go back to Destiny 2

[golden lynx]

I do have a ryzen though.

[onyx ice]

I'm running with a Ryzen 5 3600

[golden lynx]

hmm okay, what about performance though? All those fancy animations must have a cost.

[marble turret]

oh dang, delete 2fa fast?

[pliant canyon]

fine with me but i have an intel chip

[onyx ice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

My Specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600
GPU: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3
RAM: Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan Z (4x16) 64Gb DDR4 3600
PSU: Corsair RM850
MOBO: MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk
Storage: 1 Tb Samsung 970 Evo & 1 Tb Samsung 980
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212
Case: Fractal Meshify C
Monitor: Asus VG27AQ 2560x1440 165Hz
Keyboard: Rosewill RK-9000V2
Mouse: Corsair Harpoon RGB
Speakers: Creative Pebble 4.5"

[pliant canyon]

the animations make it seem fast

but maybe thats just me

[marble turret]

it just looks like going deeper into the microsoft rabbit hole

i use linux as my main so personally idrc if i upgrade or not but EOL is still 5 years away

[pliant canyon]

if u use wsl u can use graphical apps now

and u can see ur wsl distros in file explorer

[marble turret]

yeah i saw

[onyx ice]

WSL2 is awesome

With the graphical support as well? 🪄

[marble turret]

though i still prefer dual-booting linux :p

until i can learn how to gpu passthrough a windows vm

[golden lynx]

Yeah okay, i got a bit of an older pc but i should be fine.

[marble turret]

• i know TPM 2.0 is fairly new isn't it?

[pliant canyon]

no it isnt

its been there in laptops for some time

but for desktops im not sure

[onyx ice]

Depends on the MOBO

[pliant canyon]

yea

[onyx ice]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/motherboards-that-support-tpm-windows-11/

[golden lynx]

i think all mobo's 300+ have 2.0

Yep 300+

[pliant canyon]

u can check urself with tpm.msc

[onyx ice]

You can also add a TPM chip apparently, but that's some wizardry

[marble turret]

i was tryna boot win11 on a vm once, i just overwrote a .dll file or something and it got rid of the requirement lol

but that during one of the leaks, might've patched it

[pliant canyon]

yea theres workarounds

[prime kindle]

Why delete 2fa?

[pliant canyon]

so i can hack you

[sick olive]

Is 2FA really that affective?

[pliant canyon]

probbly

[golden lynx]

For people that have 0 experience in computers, yes.

[lofty cypress]

2fa is annoying tho

[golden lynx]

For the average user that doesn't have a password like Welcome123 it's just annoying.

[pliant canyon]

its a few extra seconds usually

so im fine wit it

[golden lynx]

Not if my mobile is upstairs

[pliant canyon]

lol

[lofty cypress]

Fuck 2fa all my homies hate 2fa, just let me use my wordlist passwords

[golden lynx]

Or switching numbers

😂

[pliant canyon]

true

[summer robin]

Just don't reuse passwords

[sick olive]

how many of y'all actually clean your ear canal

please help

[delicate knoll]

happy diwali!

[proper anvil]

have you tried pip install ear-goblins

[delicate knoll]

not me

and i don't believe you should do it yourselves

[sick olive]

this is not a joke

[sick olive]

google says I can

[delicate knoll]

can is different from should, and why would you?

[sick olive]

I have a lot of earwax buildup

[delicate knoll]

hmmm

[sick olive]

that my ears for some fucking reason don't clean

I'm a minor so I can't really go to an ENT myself and I don't wanna bother my mom

[delicate knoll]

oh

[sick olive]

I have terrible fucking tinnitus thanks to the earwax

eternal suffering

[lofty cypress]

you can use q tips just dont push them too deep, you could rupture your ear drum

[delicate knoll]

F, I don't know how I can help because I've never had to clean mine really

[summer robin]

You could damage stuff inside there

[delicate knoll]

yeah

[sick olive]

how far away is the ear drum?

[summer robin]

Less than a meter

[proper anvil]

gotta be real careful with qtips in ear

[lofty cypress]

its at least within arm reach

:^}

[sick olive]

Lmao

[proper anvil]

best to ask your mom to take you to a professional if you've got it bad

[summer robin]

You're in big trouble if things break in your ear.

[delicate knoll]

technically correct lol

[lofty cypress]

just dont push it in if you feel resistance, idk why you need an exact measurement

[delicate knoll]

i guess you can just, clean off the outer parts? juuuuust enough so it's not as bad?

[sick olive]

The adult human ear canal extends from the pinna to the eardrum and is about 2.5 centimetres (1 in) in length and 0.7 centimetres (0.3 in) in diameter.

fuck I'm not using q tips

it's hella close

Q tips aren't that bad

[proper anvil]

if you've got a load of earwax qtips might not even help tbh

[lofty cypress]

you could get baby qtips which have a thicker point making it harder for you to accidentally push it in

[summer robin]

The best QTips can be found in #user-interfaces

[lofty cypress]

disclaimer im not any kind of doctor

[delicate knoll]

^^^^^^^^^

[proper anvil]

my nonprofessional advice is to seek professional advice

[sick olive]

I think I'll try using saline water first

and see if that takes care of the problem

[lofty cypress]

its a q tip, its not sharp, its not dangerous, just dont be dumb

[sick olive]

First off just lightly tap in the ear with a qtip, and don't push

[lofty cypress]

if you went to the doctor for every minor thing you'd be broke before you knew it

[summer robin]

Unless you live in a country with public healthcare.

[proper anvil]

yeah but it sounds like we're talking about a professional amount of earwax

[summer robin]

That makes them sound like a profressional earwax producer.

[lofty cypress]

even with public healthcare doctors arent available 24/7 and if you wanna wait a couple months for an appointment thats kinda yikes

[proper anvil]

they are? are they not?

[summer robin]

months? what?

[lofty cypress]

welcome to the uk?

[sick olive]

Happy diwali✨

[summer robin]

Dang

[sick olive]

funny thing is my ears weren't always like this; they just decided to be an asshole suddenly

for no reason

[rough marsh]

bug your mom to go to an ENT

[summer robin]

If your ears became assholes i would definetly not hesitate to see a doctor.

[lofty cypress]

it takes them weeks to give me a repeat prescription, how long do you think youre going to have to wait for an impromptu appointment

[rough marsh]

they're your mom

bug her

[sick olive]

that would be a pain in the ass but I'll try

You could also ask her for advice first

It's her responsibility after all

last time I tried to make her take me to a doctor she took weeks to call the clinic for an appointment lol

[lofty cypress]

bug her till she does?

[rough marsh]

do you guys have private insurance?

are you in the US? specialists usually have wide open schedules, more or less in my experience

[lofty cypress]

do you wear headphones a lot?

[rough marsh]

also rather than q-tips, they sell ear cleaning tools that are wooden or metal and you can just gently kind of exfoliate the outer area of the ear.. for you a q-tip is a bad idea

[sick olive]

no but I live in a country with free healthcare

[sick olive]

used to

[rough marsh]

ah ok. start now.. even if it takes your mom weeks to set up an appointment, it will only be slower if you don't bug her

[summer robin]

Headphones are the best tool to make public spaces tolerable.

[sick olive]

Plus, she can't get upset at you for caring about your health

[brave estuary]

absolutely

[royal jetty]

only 3 channels in dormant so in total of 6 openable help channels

I have never seen that before

[lofty cypress]

i see 7

[sick olive]

Me too.

[summer robin]

It's not a static number

[royal jetty]

you are late

[serene dagger]

oh i did a mistake i wanted costco hotdog but got pizza instead damnit why do they have both :c

[pliant canyon]

bruh

how did thta happen

[serene dagger]

pizza smell is hypnotic

[ruby trellis]

good afternoon gamers.

[serene dagger]

hey ur supposed to censor the g*mer word

[ruby trellis]

Nope

[serene dagger]

wow ratio'd

[faint ivy]

yes

what does your MC settings look like?

no i mean the launcher settings

do you have any custom shaders installed or other graphic mods?

right.. share the launcher options

thats where you set how much ram MC has

might be on the "server" instance of the settings

depends on how much it uses now

and how much ram you have available

thats a bit on the low end.

laptop?

you need it to be plugged into wall power

you might have two GPUS, and that it will use the intel HD gpu when its conserving power

what laptop model do you have?

yeah. you have two gpus

[pliant canyon]

is Minecraft using ur integrated

[faint ivy]

you need to force it to use the NVIDIA card when it run minecraft

[pliant canyon]

bruh why is that so common

[faint ivy]

integrated will always be 20-30 fps

[faint ivy]

it saves on battery power

and every intel cpu has intel hd gpu built into it

well.. every modern cpu

[pliant canyon]

so if u were charging would it use dedicated?

search "graphics" in start

[faint ivy]

i dont remember tbh.. it might be a nvida control panel setting

[pliant canyon]

then u need to find a javaw.exe in .minecraft

and set it to run using dedicated

[royal jetty]

eivl in off topic is quite rare

[sinful lark]

is there a indian holiday going on

https://i.imgur.com/dLRh27H.png

feels like a indian theme

[onyx ice]

Diwali

[sinful lark]

oh wow

it feels like only a couple months ago it was diwali

[mystic mauve]

I'm making a new super ergonomic web API framework

It will be extremely parallel and work exclusively with async and uvloop

And it will add a random delay to every request between 50ms and 5000ms

I will call it slowAPI

[dusty aspen]

Maybe you're thinking of holi

[mystic mauve]

Maybe you are you are of holi

[sinful lark]

ohh... could be lol. Because i swear i have seen the same logo a couple months ago

[dusty aspen]

Oops

[sinful lark]

haha i didnt even notice

my brain just read it normally

"maybe you are thinking of holi"

[onyx ice]

Its lkie taht bairn ticrk werhe you olny need the frsit and lsat ltter in the rhgit pcale to undtsanerd

[sinful lark]

is this what a stroke looks like?

[onyx ice]

Depends, does it smell like toast?

[sinful lark]

😱

smells like toast

im screwed

wait, do u actually smell toast during a stroke

[sick olive]

Burn toast, yeah

[onyx ice]

It is one of the symptoms

[sinful lark]

oh wow

[sick olive]

do we have any ethereum / monero miners in here?

[brave estuary]

Proof of works needs to die already

[sick olive]

lol

:^)

i disagree

[sick olive]

which proof of stake blockchain appears to come closest to being good nowadays?

good being ethereum

with actual smart contract capability

and actually still decentralized

[onyx ice]

Its probably because your battery cannot give your GPU the power it needs

Keep it plugged in

Or deal with the lower frames when un plugged

Desktop PC

[dusty aspen]

That's what you need if you want to game well

You'll need it plugged in unless it has some really good battery

Even if it's a desktop, it's still plugged in

[onyx ice]

But then there isn't an option

[dusty aspen]

Do you intend to use it unplugged?

Well if it's always plugged in, yeah

But if it's always plugged in, it also doesn't matter if the battery is good

Since it's constantly getting energy

[sick olive]

vark is fake 😔

[dusty aspen]

A build tool for my website

[sick olive]

Messiest code i've ever seen in my life

[mortal hull]

that's gotta be 200+ chars in one line

[hollow holly]

Ooh

how's mustache btw?

I might use it but I don't wanna run away from JS

[dusty aspen]

fucking amazing

No JS, and everything loads fast since it just becomes pure static HTML

[hollow holly]

Interesting, right now all of my projects don't really need awebsite so it's fine but I may use it in the future

Making projects specific to your hobbies is really nice honestly

I get to use it for something and it has a purpose

[dusty aspen]

Yeah

Programming is such a huge field

[hollow holly]

It also has a lot of uses outside of just the terminal

[dusty aspen]

oh yeah

[hollow holly]

What got me into programming was just seeing it applied to automate something instead of just inside the terminal + discord bots

[dusty aspen]

I love seeing "real world" uses of it

[hollow holly]

discord bots are fine for a project once you're past the basics of Python honestly, because it's a learning experience

[hollow holly]

Same, it's just very pleasing to see that the script I made is actually working lol

I have a script that just automates logging stuff for this school club I'm in

And it makes things so much more easier

[dusty aspen]

Haha I'm working on something that I can't really test until I write the whole thing so it's so confusing

[hollow holly]

That's happened with a few of my projects before

[dusty aspen]

I mean I probably can test it, but idk how

[hollow holly]

And it ended up in a while of debugging

I think one time I wrote 100 or 150 lines of code and surprisingly there were no errors from it

besides a few syntax things I forgot to fix

[hollow holly]

But that's the only time :P, one time I added 20 lines of code to my codebase and I had to spend 20 minutes debugging it lmao

[dusty aspen]

I love the errors in Rust, when I went to look at JS errors, I was so confused.

Node errors are a whole bunch of random paths that tell you nothing whatsoever

[hollow holly]

Rust errors are so beautiful it's insane

It tells you what to fix too

[dusty aspen]

ikr

[hollow holly]

Python errors are nice but sometimes they're just quite verbose when I help out others with their errors I notice its a bit verbose

[oak hemlock]

what errors? insert sarcasm switch

[dusty aspen]

that's a good question

browser js has very few errors

[hollow holly]

I feel bad for the people with the last name null

some of them can't sign up for things because of weak typing

[neat sparrow]

lol

[ocean walrus]

LMAO

[hollow holly]

There was a story about it too 😭

[neat sparrow]

Christopher Null

[hollow holly]

Jennifer Null

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160325-the-names-that-break-computer-systems

[lofty cypress]

They dont break computers, they break bad software

[stone gyro]

who the hell can mistake a string "null" and a null... well, JS programmers, I'd bet

[mortal hull]

i mean if that even has the possibility of breaking anything, that deserves to happen to those programmers

[clear root]

in the olden days polymorphism was but a fringe concept so you used special values of a type to indicate various states

so of course if that special value is needed as a regular value, your software breaks

[neat sparrow]

fuck the news

That is all

[neat sparrow]

fr

who tf checks if a field is Null

at least check if the field == ""

[mortal hull]

like, the only way something like that breaks anything is if programmer is doing something like eval(input())

and they deserve whatever happens to them

[prime girder]

"2" - 1

[neat sparrow]

fork bomb

im tempted

but i dont want to wreck this laptop

[dusty aspen]

This is JS, we must ===

[prime girder]

> null - 2
-2

also this beauty

[mortal hull]

vm

[neat sparrow]

oh yh i have 16 gb ram

[neat sparrow]

dafuq

then tf is == for?

[stone gyro]

who the fuck didn't tell JS about nan propagation

I mean, that's null, but that's still bad

[prime girder]

non-strict comparison

"2" == 2   // -> true
"2" === 2 //  -> false

[neat sparrow]

bruh

[dusty aspen]

=== but with type coercion

[neat sparrow]

oh

[dusty aspen]

stupid af

[prime girder]

well it just compares the raw values

without enforcing a type check

[dusty aspen]

The fact that the compiler even has that is screwed up

[neat sparrow]

typescript ftw

[dusty aspen]

ya

[prime girder]

and the fact it's so dumb it can't even compare raw objects

[neat sparrow]

typescript can be run in a js environment right?

[prime girder]

{ '1': 2 } == { '1': 2 } returns false or true? i cant remember, sec

yeah returns false

[dusty aspen]

It compiles to js, so yeah

[prime girder]

Typescript is just better JS imo

[neat sparrow]

no imports needed?

[prime girder]

wdym imports

[dusty aspen]

TS has it's own compiler

[prime girder]

you can't have ts syntax in js

[neat sparrow]

oh

[dusty aspen]

You run tsc to compile it

[prime girder]

you can have vanilla js syntax in ts though

[vast valley]

Bash scripting suddenly doesn't' feel so daunting. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/41/3f/5b/413f5b322110d2f470ae0ffc12ce1b41.jpg

[neat sparrow]

wtf it's almost 2022

[neat sparrow]

gimme dat in hd

[vast valley]

I'm definitely going to make my own in docs but this is a good place to start.

[lofty cypress]

Why use bash ever

[mortal hull]

fish or pwsh

[stone gyro]

fish is such a 😔 name for a shell script language

[mortal hull]

why?

[lofty cypress]

Should have named it fsh

[mortal hull]

fo sho

[lofty cypress]

What do you call a fish with no eyes

[mortal hull]

fish stands for friendly interactive shell though

[sonic glacier]

isn't there a lang called ><>

[mortal hull]

esolang, but yeah

[vast valley]

I just installed linux on a bunch of old systems and bash is kind of the only thing I can program in on some of them.

[lofty cypress]

Have you considered not doing that and installing powershell core instead

[vast valley]

That sounds like something I don't want.

[stone gyro]

hence 😔

[mortal hull]

o

[stone gyro]

in all the meanings of this emote

[mortal hull]

😔

[lofty cypress]

Have you considered wanting something else

[mortal hull]

you got him there

[vast valley]

I take many things into consideration. This won't be one of them.

[stone gyro]

mariosis making arguments for wireheading in ot0

[dusty aspen]

And other shells like fish don't work?

[vast valley]

I already installed Lubuntu and it works perfectly I don't need anything else.

[midnight forge]

ah yes, javascript type coercion

absolutely mindfkery

[neat sparrow]

I saw some peeps today dancing for I think a tiktok

boi how I cringed

cringed so hard that I failed nnn

[prime girder]

and I thought I said questionable things.

[neat sparrow]

my tongue is dead

just accidentally bit into a pepper

[lofty cypress]

Thats a wild feeling

Chewing on Szechuan peppercorns is nice

[mortal hull]

numb tho

[lofty cypress]

I cant feel you there
Become so tired
So much more aware

[oak hemlock]

I see what you did there

I hope it was on purpose

[lofty cypress]

Of course

[oak hemlock]

is that a lyric to something

[lofty cypress]

Been a while since i've listened to lp

Bruh are you fr fr

[oak hemlock]

lp?

[lofty cypress]

https://youtu.be/kXYiU_JCYtU

[oak hemlock]

Linkin Park?

[lofty cypress]

b r u h

[oak hemlock]

oh.

[lofty cypress]

For shame.

[sick olive]

Looks good?

[oak hemlock]

oh. this song

it's one that my mom would listen to, but not me

[lofty cypress]

Yea youre too young

[oak hemlock]

Well no

[lofty cypress]

Its sad really that you didnt get to experience peak LP

[oak hemlock]

I just don't like this kind of music

[lofty cypress]

How old are you again

[ocean walrus]

smol pycereal

[oak hemlock]

I'm 17

[lofty cypress]

No youre not

[oak hemlock]

There was one Linkin Park song that I liked

[ocean walrus]

denied

[lofty cypress]

You cant have gone through puberty without liking LP

[oak hemlock]

oh yes

https://open.spotify.com/track/104buTcnP2AsxqB7U1FIZ4?si=d8b26699e80143ee

that was the only song by them that I ever liked

[lofty cypress]

Go listen to meteora and hybrid theory

NOW

[oak hemlock]

:(

[brave estuary]

crawling in my crawl

these crawls they will not crawl

[oak hemlock]

oh yes

[brave estuary]

crawling

[frozen narwhal]

Do you have any recommendations of R or/and python courses at udemy ?

[neat sparrow]

I blended tomatoes, onions and 1 pepper to make something for my food

Also kde is getting on my nerves

ui menus keep on freezing then stuttering

[low marsh]

Probably like a good amount of the Helpers

And a few hundred people on this server

[ocean walrus]

dont we have a few actual core devs

[oak hemlock]

Supposedly Guido himself is in this server

[ancient mural]

I don't he his, he just was here once

[oak hemlock]

I don't think he ever left, he just doesn't use Discord and the staff are hiding him

AFAIK

[ancient mural]

Oh lol

What kind of conspiracy is this

[oak hemlock]

I just remember the staff being reluctant to give the username lol

[ancient mural]

Well.. makes sense y'know

[brave estuary]

lol yea can you imagine being a notable community presence like that on any discord, let alone this specific one?

You'd have fuckin 12 year olds in your DMs all the time like "GUIDO HOW DO I MAKE A LIST"

[oak hemlock]

lol

"When's Python 4 coming out?"

[brave estuary]

Guido, if you're reading this, just give up on the GIL.

[ocean walrus]

GUIDOE

[oak hemlock]

Guidough

[brave estuary]

Pretty much everything now has at least 2 cores, Guido. We don't write on fast pdp11s. Just sayin

[ocean walrus]

gui-dough

[oak hemlock]

Guide

[ocean walrus]

eh, removing the GIL would be breaking backwards compatibility

[oak hemlock]

oh yes and make me look like epic CPython programmer

[ocean walrus]

Since a lot of C libraries rely on the GIL

[dusty aspen]

ikr

[ocean walrus]

So adoption would be slow anyways

[dusty aspen]

Py v4 :D

[oak hemlock]

👀

[dusty aspen]

That's what major versions are for

[ocean walrus]

they've already stated that python 3 -> 4 wont be like 2 -> 3

[hollow holly]

Python 3.11 is promising (quite promising)

[ocean walrus]

they need to keep adoption

[dusty aspen]

They said they'll try

[oak hemlock]

Unexpected things happen

[hollow holly]

50% speedups from experiments so far, somehow

[oak hemlock]

you never know

[hollow holly]

Oh wrong reply lmao

[brave estuary]

py4 needs to make assignments into expressions by default

[ocean walrus]

that would be nice

[dusty aspen]

I personally am of the opinion that major changes are major for a reason, and that you should not be afraid of making breaking changes

[brave estuary]

and the value of assigning to an object attribute should be the rvalue, not the value assigned.

[ancient mural]

No

[mortal hull]

^

[ancient mural]

So a copy?

[ocean walrus]

hm

[brave estuary]

Not necessarily?

[ocean walrus]

why not the value assigned

[oak hemlock]

I must admit that I like assignment expressions being black magic to most people

[ocean walrus]

python already has assignment expressions

[ancient mural]

Well take a list for example, it would copy the list- or?

[ocean walrus]

if you need them, just use them

[brave estuary]

Hell no lol

[brave estuary]

Because making it the rvalue conserves the value of the expression.

[ancient mural]

So what do you mean I don't understand

rvalue?!

[ocean walrus]

wdym

[ancient mural]

It's not

[ocean walrus]

async is asynchronous

remember, async != parallel

[mortal hull]

not really

[ancient mural]

In what way?

[mortal hull]

it means async in python

[hollow holly]

hey, isn't there that _xxx_subinterpreters thing that is parallel and concurrent? or am I mixing my things up

[oak hemlock]

synchronous would be "occurring at the same time"

[ancient mural]

Not parallel afaik, because GIL

[hollow holly]

Let me double check, I think I had a book that listed out everything

[oak hemlock]

love'nt English

[brave estuary]

You can't use them with object attributes or subscript, because those aren't guaranteed to assign the actual value which was assigned on the right hand side of the assignment statement.

[hollow holly]

Oh, interesting

TIL

[ancient mural]

There's a PEP for making subinterpreters more friendly to use, but it's still not official if the different subinterpreters can have their own GIL

[clear root]

@brave estuary weakly typed conditions make that a horrible idea

[ancient mural]

Hm? What's this and how does it run in parallel?

[oak hemlock]

oh yes. my favorite kind of subinterpreters

[clear root]

if a = b should be a syntax erroe

[ocean walrus]

lmfao

it'll be confusing for beginners

[hollow holly]

I think it's because it launches its own interpreter? So it's parallel since it's still running on one GIL, just different interpreters?
and the book is CPython Internals by Anthony Shaw, from RealPython

Really good book

[ocean walrus]

sadly its paid D:

[hollow holly]

There's a free version with less things

[ancient mural]

But- if they all share the same GIL.. then only one can run at a time (like asyncio :p)

[brave estuary]

The rationale was that it may not be clear what the assignexpr should evaluate to, but anybody familiar with assignexprs will expect it to evaluate to the rvalue of the assignment

[ocean walrus]

I need all the things

[hollow holly]

They use different GILs since they run on different interpreters @ancient mural (iirc)

[ocean walrus]

they're separate interpreters, with different GILs

[brave estuary]

It's no different from assignexprs in C being allowed to truncate, yet still evaluating to the untruncated value

Or any other language which supports integer truncation

[ocean walrus]

why

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0554/ iirc this is the PEP for it

[hollow holly]

Found the excerpt

A fourth option is subinterpreters, which have a smaller overhead than
multiprocessing and allow a GIL for each subinterpreter. After all, it’s
the global interpreter lock.
Within the CPython runtime, there’s always one interpreter. The interpreter holds the interpreter state, and within an interpreter you can
have one or many Python threads. The interpreter is the container
for the evaluation loop. It also manages its own memory, reference
counter, and garbage collection.

.rp cpython internals

[median swallow]

Search results - Real Python

Here are the top 5 results:

CPython Internals: Paperback Now Available!

https://realpython.com/cpython-internals-paperback/

CPython Internals Book

https://realpython.com/products/cpython-internals-book/

Python Community Interview With Anthony Shaw

https://realpython.com/interview-anthony-shaw/

Your Guide to the CPython Source Code

https://realpython.com/cpython-source-code-guide/

C for Python Programmers

https://realpython.com/c-for-python-programmers/

Click the links to go to the articles.

[hollow holly]

the 4th one

I love this command so much

[oak hemlock]

You mean 3rd?

[hollow holly]

Nope, the 4th one

[oak hemlock]

wait i'm blind

[hollow holly]

Yeah you're really good at that stuff, you don't need to worry about it lol

[oak hemlock]

Why does that command not use fields

[hollow holly]

You should put your own version of CPython on github

[oak hemlock]

\🤔

or does it and I'm crazy

[ocean walrus]

contributing to cpython might be fun

I need to learn C first

[hollow holly]

It is pretty fun honestly
I don't have experience though cause I'm bad at C :P

[oak hemlock]

I'd sooner contribute to the Linux kernel

[ocean walrus]

why

[hollow holly]

ohhh

[oak hemlock]

to make sense of things

[ocean walrus]

ok

[ancient mural]

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0554/#interpreter-isolation

Scroll down, they do share a GIL from my understanding

[ocean walrus]

ah, seems like they do

[ancient mural]

So that "parallel" should have a * and note stating it "depends on if the subinterpreters share a lock"

[hollow holly]

The CPython Internals book came out on May 5th, 2021

So I think things have changed from 2017 to now

[ocean walrus]

@hollow holly

how many pages does the book have

[hollow holly]

384

My favorite chapter so far is about frames and code objects

[ancient mural]

Hmm, fair. Though that PEP has been updated

[ocean walrus]

frames can be confusing

[dusty aspen]

It's concurrent because GIL iirc.

Wait oops, I no scroll down

[hollow holly]

relatable

I once responded to a message from 15 hours ago in pydis-general

[oak hemlock]

try two years ago

[ocean walrus]

amateurs, I replied to the first message sent on discord ever

[hollow holly]

I agree honestly, though the book puts it into good perspective

[dusty aspen]

unintentionally?

[oak hemlock]

yes I was searching and never scrolled

[dusty aspen]

I really really doubt that

[dusty aspen]

ah fun

[ocean walrus]

how dare you

[ancient mural]

Other eat around, it is not parallel because of the GIL

[hollow holly]

I think I'm gonna go with what the book says since Anthony Shaw, the author of the book, contributes to CPython quite a bit if I recall correctly and it's also more recent, it also got feedback from CPython core devs before being published

adaptive opcodes?

i've been following it and it seems very cool

ah

oh is it your cpython that'll get edited?

to change the numbers that get cached for int to be expanded?

ah

[dusty aspen]

Oh yeah, that's what I meant, I speak nonsense

I wrote that while thinking about how concurrency != parallelism so I got confused

Do you use your forked CPython?

Or do you just edit it for fun?

okie

[hollow holly]

I heavily respect the people who are knowledgable enough to do that

Or even those who screw over Python in #esoteric-python , or the people who make disassemblers and stuff

Just a massive amount of respect for those people

[dusty aspen]

You don't need to be that knowledgeable, I don't think

Well, it depends on which part you're messing with

[hollow holly]

the CPython source code is fairly large honestly

[midnight forge]

that's what you want us to think.
we know you know.

[dusty aspen]

But who said you have to know how to edit every part?

[hollow holly]

fairly large is an understatement, but I know you already know that

[hollow holly]

You don't necessarily, but it's quite overwhelming. there's quite a few files you have to edit just to add a newoperator

[dusty aspen]

Yeah that's true

[hollow holly]

and it's beyond grammar and interpreting

So I really respect people who can do that

[midnight forge]

sigh when i can't even edit the grammar

[hollow holly]

relatable :P

[dusty aspen]

Honestly lang dev is so cool

[hollow holly]

no cmpop.py?

oh wait i'm so dumb, that's for comparisons

[dusty aspen]

It seems like such a specific thing, but there's so much too it

[hollow holly]

interesting though

[hollow holly]

seeing a calculator work from a lexer/parser/interpreter is just magical

[dusty aspen]

What's asdl?

[hollow holly]

like you made that all from yourself

[dusty aspen]

oh yeah

Although that probably is a bit overkill haha

[hollow holly]

It's a fun project though for lexers/parsers

[oak hemlock]

subjective

[hollow holly]

I tried to do one in Rust but mutable borrows kinda uh ruined it lmao

[oak hemlock]

hate messing with that stuff

[dusty aspen]

This is why I just do whatever the compiler suggests, and I get wonderful code

[hollow holly]

True, true

[oak hemlock]

did you just reply to yourself

who's your alt >:(

[hollow holly]

wrong reply, yet again

[oak hemlock]

oh yes assigment

[ancient mural]

Haha that's hilarious

Like imagine how many people read that and missed it

[oak hemlock]

this is why I like IntelliJ IDEs

built-in spell checking

[ancient mural]

All fun and games until it complains about the way you shorten variables

[oak hemlock]

Add to dictionary

[hollow holly]

I cannot tolerate VSC, maybe it's just me

It feels too packed

[oak hemlock]

VSCode feels like foil to me

[hollow holly]

I've always been a fan of Jetbrains IDEs

[oak hemlock]

that's my way of explaining it ig

[hollow holly]

interesting way

[oak hemlock]

foil.

[ancient mural]

In what way?

[oak hemlock]

PyCharm's my big honcho that gets shit done with the only effort going into installing it

[ancient mural]

I feel the same about PyCharm

[oak hemlock]

no need to tinker with the endless intimidating VSCode settings

[hollow holly]

I don't even know how to explain it, just not a fan of the UI

[ancient mural]

There's too many elements and stuff in the UI

[hollow holly]

that's also true

I don't use 90% of the pycharm features

[ancient mural]

So many toolbars, side views, icons at the top, text everywhere

[ancient mural]

Exactly

[hollow holly]

it's like a kitchen sink

kitchen sink software if that exists

[oak hemlock]

:( I disagree with this

[ancient mural]

VSCode you basically have a simple top toolbar, some icons to the left for the debugger and switching modes. A file tree to the left, and a console at the bottom

The rest of the features you basically can't find (in a good way)

[oak hemlock]

VSCode is more the kitchen sink since you have to tailor to multiple languages

[dusty aspen]

I like the VSCode UI personally

[oak hemlock]

all and none at the same time

[hollow holly]

Oh no, not the IDE showdown, I shall be lurking cause I don't know much about IDEs lmao

And I should not be procrastinating

[dusty aspen]

tailor to multiple languages
If it's more than adding one or two extensions, VSCode just isn't great for that language.

So it's really not that hard.

[oak hemlock]

so like most compiled languages

[ancient mural]

Yes

I don't think VSCode is all that good for C for example?

[dusty aspen]

I guess. I use it for Rust fine, but idk about other langs.

[hollow holly]

I would use CLion but I need a license 😭

[oak hemlock]

GitHub Education

[hollow holly]

And I need to wait for a document of proof to show that i'm a student

Like a report card

[dusty aspen]

You haven't gotten a report card yet?

Or an email?

[hollow holly]

Not yet, my quarter just ended today

[dusty aspen]

Ah, fair enough

[oak hemlock]

Do you not have like powerschool or something

[hollow holly]

We shouldn't have had school today

[oak hemlock]

online portal to view classes

[hollow holly]

we did nothing but "you can use your phones"

[hollow holly]

i'd rather stay at home than play kahoot / use my phone for 6 hours

[ancient mural]

VSCode does HTML, CSS, JavaScript/TypeScript, Python, C# good.. at least from my experience. I won't make false claims about other languages

[oak hemlock]

also do people really think PyCharm's that cluttered? Like this looks fine to me

[ancient mural]

But in general other interpreted or JIT languages VSCode seems to do good

[hollow holly]

your pycharm looks beautiful

[oak hemlock]

oh yes thanks

[hollow holly]

here's mine, a bit meh

[oak hemlock]

I haven't worked too much on my other IDEs

[dusty aspen]

I don't think that it's cluttered necessarily, I just like VSCode since that's what I'm used to.

[oak hemlock]

It is??

[dusty aspen]

How? It's a toolbar on the top and right, a file tree, a couple buttons, and an editor.

[oak hemlock]

Doesn't VSCode have more UI elements than PyCharm

by default, I mean

[dusty aspen]

Not necessarily, here's mine

Not too much there

[oak hemlock]

what the

why no run button

[hollow holly]

I'm just looking through source code and
username, _, discriminator = argument.rpartition('#'), why use rpartition if you're going to ignore the delimiter? Why not just use argument.rsplit

[dusty aspen]

rust-analyzer doesn't have it

[oak hemlock]

shame

[dusty aspen]

Well it has this

[oak hemlock]

what on Earth is that let

[dusty aspen]

Just to invoke clap

Since everything is handled with subcommands

Although I really don't need it, I should probably get rid of it

[oak hemlock]

lol my CLion looks awful

[hollow holly]

You could tone down the background a bit

but it looks nice

[dusty aspen]

eww, I can't see anything on that background

[oak hemlock]

yes that's the problem

it shows how little I end up using it

[hollow holly]

use a gaussian blur

[oak hemlock]

Do I even have that power

[ocean walrus]

Wtf have you done

[oak hemlock]

lol

maybe I need a better background image

as much as I'd like this one for CLion

[lofty grotto]

can someone help me make a bot that click on a capatcha, solves it, and then clicks some other stuff and types some letters? ill pay you and dm me if intrested

[dusty aspen]

!rule 9

[obtuse swallow]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[dusty aspen]

That's a violation of this server's rules, please don't ask for paid work.

And uh, that also sounds highly malicious, so I'd advise you just don't do that.

[lofty grotto]

lmfao alr bro

[sonic glacier]

@lofty grotto you've already been told about our rules, please respect them

[lofty grotto]

bro i said alr lol

[prime girder]

damn bro

[brave estuary]

bro what is it you think captcha does?

you realize that the entire point of a captcha is to be a problem which is difficult for a bot to solve, right?

like that's literally the entire point

[prime girder]

Lol, the wildest thing I found was a service offering to solve captchas for your program.

[brave estuary]

I mean yea there are literally sweatshops which do it

[prime girder]

Yee. I can't imagine sitting all day in front of a computer, solving captchas for other people.

[brave estuary]

There are also other ways to attack captcha. But it is hard, which is the point.

[prime girder]

Imagine you fail the captcha tho

[jolly hound]

What starts with W.

[prime girder]

Winston

[jolly hound]

Lmao

[brave estuary]

It's defo not as simple as "someone make a bot to do it and I'll totally pay you like $5 lol"

[prime girder]

Yeah I've heard of ideas and caveats to beat some captchas.

But there are intentionally “complex” captchas for computers. Which should allow only humans to logically conclude what they are.

[jolly hound]

Did you get the joke Kernel?

[prime girder]

Which is the whole purpose of a captcha, but there are various levels of difficulty.

[prime girder]

What joke? I'm bad with them.

[jolly hound]

It's not a question its a statement(my first message)

[brave estuary]

probably my favorite attack on captcha is to just replay it to a rando user

the problem ofc is you have to have rando users to replay captchas too lel

[prime girder]

Oh. Hahaha

[jolly hound]

Lol

[brave estuary]

but if you were say, the New York Times or something, you could automate captcha solutions (by making random fuckers click on them)

[prime girder]

Yeah, usually wordplay and puns go over my head.

[jolly hound]

Dw it took me a second as well

[prime girder]

The aussie term for “random user”—“random fucko”

[brave estuary]

I wonder how frequently you'd have to start injecting captchas into random sessions before people started really noticing

kinda like figuring out how much sawdust you can put in a rice crispy treat before people notice.

[jolly hound]

Lmao probs would be awhile

[prime girder]

How would you even display the captcha to a random user?

[jolly hound]

Just embed it into your site?

[prime girder]

Oh, you mean users on your own site.

[jolly hound]

Yeah

[prime girder]

Lmfao

[jolly hound]

(I think)

[prime girder]

“Why does this article website have captchas I have to solve just to read it?!”

[brave estuary]

Make a queue of captcha you want to solve - pick a random session - on their next page load, say "Blah blah blah your session is sus, please prove you are human by solving this" - replay the solution to whoever gave you the captcha

[jolly hound]

Everything in 2025 will have captchas, wonder why.

[prime girder]

Gigachad moment

[prime girder]

Same

[jolly hound]

Lmao what

[prime girder]

Though, I have heard that people who are highly intelligent are more prone to developing bad habits and driving themselves into some sort of mental disorder/illness

[brave estuary]

What this indicates is that whoever made that post doesn't understand the difference between correlation and causation, and isn't as smart or insightful as they think they are.

[jolly hound]

Yeah studies have shown the higher your IQ is the more of a chance you'll have a mental illness like depression(please correct me if I'm wrong)

[prime girder]

Well, it's supposedly posted in a sarcastic/satire tone

[jolly hound]

I just thought it was funny.

[static trout]

i need a bit of help

[prime girder]

Ignorance is bliss /s

[jolly hound]

Lol

[jolly hound]

Don't ask to ask

[dusty aspen]

doesn't seem very satirical to me personally

[static trout]

which approach is better: using objects in a numpy array or using indexes to a lookup table in a numpy array

[prime girder]

You think it's realistic?

[dusty quarry]

yoo

I want a beard

[prime girder]

There's all sorts of demographic that yield the same results as mentioned above.

[dusty aspen]

No, it's just a serious topic.

[prime girder]

Sure, but the internet is a strange place.

[dusty quarry]

Wonder If I can use hair from other parts of ma body as a donor for my beard

[jolly hound]

I would say the numpy array would be better. But try using both and see what looks cleaner and what you prefer

[prime girder]

What.

[dusty quarry]

Does that work?

[jolly hound]

Please tell me what drugs you are on so I can get some

[static trout]

rather than ["hello", "hi"] i would have 2 seperate lists [0, 1] and lookup table ["hello", "hi"]
very small example

[dusty quarry]

lmao

[prime girder]

Maybe wait until you're older to see if you can grow a bread 🤔

[dusty quarry]

Hair transplant is a thing

Asians can't grow beard

[jolly hound]

They can't???

[prime girder]

Be happy that you have a baby-smooth face then.

[dusty quarry]

The very majority

[stone gyro]

intelligence is positively correlated with mental illness and suicide.
There's actually a really simple explanation for this - since IQ obviously is very helpful for survival, it'd have been heavily selected for as humans evolved. So nowadays, we should expect that all genes increasing IQ above average have some kind of disadvantages that make them approximately neutral fitness-wise - if they weren't, they'd have spread and that IQ became the new norm.

[sonic glacier]

assuming that IQ is heritable

[brave estuary]

Also, even if we assume there's a causal relationship, it could be for a different reason than they claimed.

For example, people don't like dealing with morons.

[dusty quarry]

yeah man

[prime girder]

What if they are the moron?

[brave estuary]

The smarter you are, the more morons there are compared to you, and the more moronic they are.

[jolly hound]

I see, I think this is a good explanation really. Also couldn't it be that youre more self aware when you have higher intelligence?

[dusty quarry]

Just look at the poor Alan Turning, one of the greatest mathematician and the father of modern compputer he killed himself

[pseudo pivot]

Guys what is better to learn Java spring framework or golang gin framework?

[dusty quarry]

flutter

[brave estuary]

I mean I don't think that was because he was depressed from being smart.

[prime girder]

Alan Turing was a homosexual who was repressed by his country's society, I think.

[jolly hound]

What are you doing to use it for?

[brave estuary]

he was chemically castrated.

[prime girder]

So, no, his intelligence wasn't the reason for his depression

[brave estuary]

The other option was prison.

[dusty quarry]

He overthink

[static trout]

wtf

[pseudo pivot]

Anyone?

[prime girder]

“Chemically castrated”?

I don't understand what that is.

[dusty quarry]

Poisoned himself in bed

[stone gyro]

I don't think you can get depression from any "normal" cognition. Depression-the-illness is the cause of having depressed thoughts, not the result.

[jolly hound]

Alrighty. I see, thanks for the input!

[brave estuary]

It's done via anaphrodisiacs in order to reduce both sexual function and desire

[dusty quarry]

I think commiting sucide is a learned behavior

[prime girder]

I see

[static trout]

wat

[dusty quarry]

it's not instictual to kill ourself

[static trout]

oh like that

[jolly hound]

(ngl it's funny how one can change the whole topic of chat with one image)