python-discussion

[cyan wolf]

idk if that would be enough

[charred tusk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/qqhtak/yes_do_as_i_say/

[eternal gyro]

When people make AI they function that they can't Kill Human always. But there's an AI who murdered the human for the first time. It's due to Claude. Humans are making something that's smarter and faster then us humans. So the story is a robot is designed to check company mails and he found mail that a company employ name Mick going to off him(robot). As it's design for the function checking mails. So robot knows that if he got off he can't able to check mails. That's why he murdered Mick.

It's real

[silver plover]

Dad mode; take your education seriously, don't use GPT without at least trying to do something first

[alpine cipher]

it's like i am new and learning python but now want a project beginner friendly so i can earn because this is the task our uni professor give us to so 😀 f you guys can help me find a way for that

[eternal gyro]

Read it

It's real

[arctic folio]

i just liked pop! os back then ❤️

[charred tusk]

!projects

[edgy kraken]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[brazen canopy]

I'm thinking of creating a virtual machine with Linux. I currently use Windows 11 and I like it, but I'd like to try Linux. Is it worth it? I heard some people saying that it's better for developing, but I feel that it might be the same as Windows for simple python project or others

[cyan wolf]

😅

[arctic folio]

Make a weather app

[visual juniper]

make a hangman game
make a random number guessing game
make a book management system

[exotic solstice]

it was a experiment, nobody was actually killed. FYI.

[silver plover]

Are we talking about I Robot?

[eternal gyro]

If we design robot for specific task if anything comes in way of robot and the task robot can do anything

[charred tusk]

That’s a weird show
I’m not sure I like that show

[visual juniper]

nice script

[eternal gyro]

Bro that's real 😭

[eternal gyro]

Search

[silver plover]

You might like the Spanish version, Yo Robot https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo,_robot_(película)

[visual juniper]

ill just put a SHA256 hash between the robot and the target , good luck to AI for few million years trying to reverse the hash

better yet , just make unhashing the hash as the target of AI

[eternal gyro]

What's is SHA256

[charred tusk]

It’s way better for dev work
It can be worse at other things sometimes
Get the virtual machine and try it out; that’s the only way you’re going to find out

[visual juniper]

a hashing algorithm

[silver plover]

(Insert xkcd crowbar gif) wrench. https://xkcd.com/538/

[exotic solstice]

this is what auxilio was taking about https://www.anthropic.com/research/agentic-misalignment

[eternal gyro]

What's basing algorithm

Hashing*

[charred tusk]

Heh
That’s great

[eternal gyro]

No let me send video

That's not

[cyan wolf]

wow i got one better than gpt https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9803457

[exotic solstice]

the video is completely based on this paper

[cyan wolf]

thanks

[brazen canopy]

Okay, I'll try it, thanks for the tip

[visual juniper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9JGmA5_unY

[silver plover]

Also check ACM, it's similar to ieee

https://dl.acm.org

[eternal gyro]

How long it gonna take to learn python medium though?

[cyan wolf]

okk need 4 papers

[silver plover]

How long did it take you to learn Java

[silver plover]

Also, google scholar is pretty good

[eternal gyro]

Like I started it for fun making mods and plugin idk how I learn

Java take me like 1 year but the thing is I got a motivation and reason why should I learn java

[silver plover]

There's no timeline. Keep learning and doing projects and you'll keep becoming a better programmer.

[eternal gyro]

How long ago you started?

[silver plover]

Some stuff will be easy, some stuff hard

[silver plover]

I'm old.

[eternal gyro]

Oh sir age?

[arctic folio]

Interesting, great video

[silver plover]

I remember y2k

[eternal gyro]

?

[silver plover]

!compban 332411980415500289

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @mystic abyss until <t:1767793255:f> (4 days).

[eternal gyro]

!compban @eternal gyro

!compban 1443690760581939331

[pliant heron]

👋

[eternal gyro]

Bro you scared me I thought bot sended my ban msg

[alpine cipher]

guysss

[arctic phoenix]

asimov laws

[eternal gyro]

Guysss

[alpine cipher]

from where i can get a beginner friendly project or assignment of any student that i can do and earn is it possible

[eternal gyro]

Tesla

They do pay beginners

[alpine cipher]

tell me more about it

[eternal gyro]

Your country first please

[arctic folio]

He meant tesla, the company.

[eternal gyro]

No

[eternal gyro]

Your country first

[alpine cipher]

i want yo work seriously what about country bro

[arctic folio]

 The company was named in honor of inventor Nikola Tesla and has since become a leader in the design, manufacture, and sale of battery electric vehicles (BEVs), stationary battery energy storage systems, solar panels, and solar shingles.
 Elon Musk, who joined the company in 2004 as a major investor and chairman, became CEO in October 2008 and ha```

[eternal gyro]

Bro it depends on your country theirs different companies

[eternal gyro]

Just leave it

[arctic folio]

Just read it

[eternal gyro]

Oh how much share elonmusk now own?

[harsh anchor]

[arctic folio]

I cant understand your question since you cant text english properly.

[alpine cipher]

guys can you stop fight and help me figure out how can i complete my task and get 15 marks from my proffesor please

[eternal gyro]

What's task

[alpine cipher]

this is the task my proffesor gave me that i have to do a task and earn through python otherwise he will cut my 15 marks

[eternal gyro]

How much %% share eleon musk now own from Tesla e.g revenue/ownership

[alpine cipher]

though i am beginner

[eternal gyro]

Which task!

[arctic folio]

Google it.
Im not Elon Musk 😂

[silver plover]

!ot

[edgy kraken]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[opaque cosmos]

that sounds cruel. What is the task

[silver plover]

Open a help thread please and explain your question there: #❓｜how-to-get-help

[eternal gyro]

Stop stealing my work 😉

[alpine cipher]

bruh some one need to give me a project assignment work or something that i will do as a freelancer than that person will pay me for my work and i have to show the earning

[opaque cosmos]

that is the task??

[velvet hull]

Idk maybe #career-advice will help

[arctic folio]

She needs to make a project with she can earn cash

[alpine cipher]

yeah i show one of my project to krieg

[dry yacht]

yeah, but like: what kind of cruel assignment is that? Especially considering she's a beginner?

[eternal gyro]

It depends on how much you know About python I got a job for you if I explain

[velvet hull]

Read this y'all who can't read

[opaque cosmos]

I can read broken english too. I was in disbelief.

[arctic folio]

Probably she wants to do it herself to make professor proud lol.

[eternal gyro]

Bro your Pfp seem like a parrot first to me

[arctic folio]

!ot

[edgy kraken]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[opaque cosmos]

unrelated to #python-discussion

[dry yacht]

She said her prof will give her a 0 ("cut 15 marks", I assume that means give her an F).

[alpine cipher]

bruh why i am going to impress him like whyyyy....m

[dry yacht]

But still, like wtf is that task?

[opaque cosmos]

@alpine cipher how long have you been learning Python?

[arctic folio]

She told me in dms she needs full 15 points
but she made a weather app and i think she wants this project bad so she can get full 15 points with the weather app she made before.

[alpine cipher]

i just joined 2 months ago and need certificate which idk he will give or not without this task

[opaque cosmos]

freelance a python project and show proof of earnings from it

[alpine cipher]

yeah i made that project and show you i want to do more work he actually expect alot from us idk why

[arctic folio]

Make a timer

[opaque cosmos]

I've got a good one. Convert coordinates to linear lengths in decimal feet. I'll pay you in XMR

[alpine cipher]

what is XMR

[pallid garden]

you'd be better off asking your parents

[opaque cosmos]

Monero crypto

[pallid garden]

you don't have to reveal that your client is your parents

[opaque cosmos]

that... may be a better client.

[pallid garden]

just help your parents do something useful with code

[arctic folio]

And frends

[pallid garden]

friends... not so much

[shadow hull]

The credit of developing first computer program goes to "lady ada augusta"
And she is a woman

[arctic folio]

Not you,
Her

[pallid garden]

i would rather not lose a friend over money

[alpine cipher]

you know he is soooo ____ he will find out then wiill write on paper what i did and will paste on entrance 😂😂

[pallid garden]

if i am helping my friends im doing it for free

[arctic folio]

I meant showing it off to your frends, not to ask money lol

[opaque cosmos]

@alpine cipher write up an invoice detailing what the payout is for and have the parent sign it and pay you cash. You can code something for your family!

[arctic folio]

I do everything for free

[pallid garden]

i dont like showing off to my friends

[arctic folio]

I didnt meant to say brag

[pallid garden]

one of my friends advertised on instagram that she vibe coded some app lol

[arctic folio]

Thats cool

[pallid garden]

...

[arctic folio]

what app ?

[pallid garden]

i have no idea

[arctic folio]

Why so ?

[pallid garden]

because it's vibe coded

[alpine cipher]

hey i can't code for my family he already made it clear

rayon i can research and made the project you want

[pallid garden]

just dont tell him who the person is in relation to you

[arctic folio]

You dont have to be somone with skills to make great things

[pallid garden]

...

[past pagoda]

this is so real

[pallid garden]

besides

[opaque cosmos]

code for a friendddd irl. Is cash in person also not allowed?

[pallid garden]

!rules paid

[edgy kraken]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[pallid garden]

so yea

[opaque cosmos]

😭

[alpine cipher]

he is faster that gpt last time he caught a boy now he shares his story in every class that how he try go deceive him by asking for order from his uncle

[arctic folio]

Example: Politician

[slender hound]

Guys who's studying python at 11th grade lvl

E.g. me

[arctic folio]

-3

[slender hound]

T_T

[past pagoda]

You I guess, what's the big deal?

[pallid garden]

welp you saw the rules

unfortunately it's not allowed here

[past pagoda]

why're you minimodding 😭 🙏

[slender hound]

Well ig u r all in university 💀

[pallid garden]

why not

[past pagoda]

it's patronizing

[arctic folio]

I learn C and python but im 14

[pallid garden]

i dont think telling people what the rules are is minimodding

[slender hound]

Wow nice

[opaque cosmos]

@alpine cipher find an irl friend! That prof can't possibly be THAT much of an ass 😢

[alpine cipher]

@opaque cosmos are you serious about co ordinate to linear length project

[harsh anchor]

😬

[arctic folio]

I seen a 12 year old boy making physics engine and now hes going to make an OS ✌️

[opaque cosmos]

no, i'd be violating the rules here if I was

[slender hound]

Brilliant minds ngl 😭🔥

[arctic folio]

Breaks my motivation lol

[slender hound]

😭🙏

[past pagoda]

Your worth is not dictated by others' achievements

[opaque cosmos]

@alpine cipher have you tried... freelancing your professor? ballsy move, maybe it'll work?

[arctic folio]

At some point yes

[past pagoda]

You're like 14

It's not

[arctic folio]

I still could do better

[alpine cipher]

so what's the conclusion should i go and sleep instead of doing all this what he will do more than not giving my certificate or cut my marks will manage

[past pagoda]

this mentality is how you completely ruin your mental health and actually do worse

[arctic folio]

certificate after 2 months of learning ?

[arctic folio]

Okay true i always forgot im young , i just seen kids doing better at my age

[alpine cipher]

yeah in some time we will get that but i got no marks for that 😂😂

[past pagoda]

Stop paying attention to other people

[arctic folio]

Does your project have to be graphical Env or not ?

[alpine cipher]

not necessarily

[fringe lava]

hi

[opaque cosmos]

look at videos about code you don't understand and seek the professor first chance you get. Email them if they allow email

[opaque cosmos]

hello! I go now byee

[arctic folio]

Make a timer.
Make a banking CLI
make a Temperature converter
make a bill splitter
make a number guesser

[alpine cipher]

i already made who will buy

[fringe lava]

ylal talking about python?

[arctic folio]

She needs a project due tomorrow with she can earn cash

[alpine cipher]

it's not tomorrow i got few days may be 3 or 4

[arctic folio]

Then you have a lot of time

[pallid garden]

i'd be frank with you, i'm not buying it, neither your program, nor the story

[alpine cipher]

tell me serious ways i can get clients will i actually went on face and post on some groups and also one thing happened 😁😁

[arctic folio]

Me too yk, just the fact is even netflix doesnt worth nothing

[pallid garden]

this is not the right the place for you to ask for clients, nor is it the right place to ask people where you can find clients

[slow rivet]

!rule 9 yeah you are very close to the line here

[edgy kraken]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[pallid garden]

for all i know you could be telling the truth, so I apologise for that, but I've never ever heard of a certificate where the assignment requires you to find a client that buys your product

[alpine cipher]

it's was about python i was asking where i can get clients related python you don't need to be that rude actually

i am going sorry if that hurt uou

[arctic folio]

Oh makes more sense

[oblique spindle]

Making you aware of a rule is rude?

[alpine cipher]

bruh i am saying sorry

sorry you guys i was just seeking for some one hell me with understanding how to actually do it may be i was wrong i am apologizing

[pallid garden]

there is a marketplace channel in the practical python discord where they do allow you to hire/ask for clients

[silver plover]

Please open a help thread: #❓｜how-to-get-help

[arctic folio]

Certificate after 2 months is something i never heard of.
And one project is not the end of the world

[past pagoda]

wth is happening here

[pallid garden]

i think you would have better chances there

[alpine cipher]

where are you from will tell you the institute name

[pallid garden]

what

why does it matter where i am from

[oblique spindle]

Ah I wanna repeat something that I said 4 hours before.

[pallid garden]

-# it's always afternoon somewhere in the world

[eager smelt]

true

[oblique spindle]

I would say I do that when I don't like someone's advice to say you don't have qualifications to give this advice.

🤣

[pallid garden]

i mean sure, i dont think i have much of a qualification

[harsh anchor]

why challenge the qualifications when you can challenge the advice itself

[tender bloom]

Well, it’s often because you can’t challenge the advice

Got to challenge something!

[oblique spindle]

Yeah

[tender bloom]

Had this happen to me on here before

Someone asking me for my qualifications when I was discussing microrepo vs monorepo architecture

[harsh anchor]

well?

[eager smelt]

monorepo 👍🏼 /hj

[tender bloom]

Well it ended without a discussion conclusion because I didn’t want to tell them about qualifications or my career

Did not seem relevant to the discussion really

[pallid garden]

eh, not worth debating with these kind of people

[river needle]

👋

[tender bloom]

I tend to prefer monorepo if it’s done well

If it’s done horribly then everyone suffers for it

[visual juniper]

You can always say I'm pretty dumb and uneducated but then blow their mind with knowledge

[cerulean ravine]

i think when discussing tradeoffs and opinions, experience matters a lot, and it's fair to ask about how much you've worked with either or both of the options being discussed.

"mono-repos are much better!" "have you used them?" "No, but I have micro-services now and I hate them"

[cedar island]

👋

[tender bloom]

Actually - I think both have their problems for different reasons - but I was chatting with someone who was convinced microrepos were always better

[cerulean ravine]

right, and in discussions like that, finding out about each other's experiences can be really helpful.

[slate wren]

👋

[tender bloom]

Lots of waving

[formal fern]

👋

[tender bloom]

Fair enough - I personally prefer just to have a discussion than to give away my life story. I’d rather just not have a discussion in the first place if it comes to that

[bronze dragon]

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[wet fox]

Is there any value is analyzing data from discord servers?

[turbid bloom]

I mean it depends on what you want to do bro, do u want to derive any sort of insights?

[eager smelt]

!cpban 1364854731620745248

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @acoustic charm until <t:1767796809:f> (4 days).

[hybrid nebula]

I am once again asking for a bot that deletes all messages with 4 attachments each called IMG_####.jpg

[wet fox]

Yeah I'm trying to find some use out of data I have. I have data on channel-specific mutes, bans, text-mutes and flags and could probably record some more data, but idk what to look at if im trying to create something out of the data

Like mutes/second would be something but idk the use of that statistic

I just want practice with python really, not really trying to derive insight, but if I can then all the better

[cerulean ravine]

these messages seem really easy to notice and remove

[harsh anchor]

given that you need a selfbot to send image attachments in this channel, right?

[hybrid nebula]

wait are you saying it's easy to notice and remove manually and thus doesn't need a bot, or it's easy to notice and remove automatically and should thus be done?

[hybrid nebula]

you can https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870411388475031572/1456575387663335476/unknown.png?ex=695a2e8a&is=6958dd0a&hm=7851e1273110afc98da9e114e5f045acc748a4067030303c3f5e7453c085cc82

just send links

[harsh anchor]

I see

[hybrid nebula]

I honestly think discord handles 'uploading to cdn' and 'attaching to message' as two distinct actions

[spark obsidian]

Then now's a good time to think about what kind of stats would actually be useful

Programming is a nice thing to know, but it's as much if not more important to learn how to figure out what's useful

[cerulean ravine]

the latter. It would be easy to automate the removal.

[wet fox]

Thats why I'm asking here because it seems like python is ideal for data analysis and if i have something cool to work with I'll stick with it and learn more python along the way

[turbid bloom]

Great u have the fields for your data, now try to pick a question you can answer from the data for example something like "What channels in your server tend to have the most mutes".

[hybrid nebula]

yeah, I agree
possibly also give the user some 'captcha' role where the only channel they have access to is a mod-only appeals channel

[wet fox]

Hmm thats golden, answering a question... interesting

[turbid bloom]

pick up the pandas library in python it's the most used for data analysis

[spark obsidian]

In that case, let's start by listing the raw data you are collecting

Are you collecting message counts ? Mute events ? Ban events ? Etc.

Then, after seeing what you have, try to see what you / users / people who want to use your bot would like to see

[wet fox]

I've seen pandas, numpy and seaborn which is pretty neat. I just asked chatgpt and it said this question which seems interesting: Is graduated punishment actually better than jumping straight to timeouts?

Maybe implementing some sort of heat

Interesting

[rugged barn]

👋

[hybrid nebula]

you'd need both moral reasoning behind that and statistical evidence that it results in less "bad behaviour"

[wet fox]

Or atleast gauging how often repeat offenses occur

Hmm true

How does one measure if someone started behaving?

[silver plover]

Maybe have several systems predicting users future crimes and voting on it?

3 seems like a good number, in case of ties

[wet fox]

I also like the number 3

[spark obsidian]

🤨 ayo we got predpol in discord before gta6

[charred tusk]

Consensus relies on the community wanting to be good

[robust ledge]

While diving deep on the questions you can ask and answer with data; don't think too deeply if you're just exploring and learning. If you've never mapped data before, your question can simply be: How do I map this data?

[silver plover]

What do you do if there's one disagreement in the minority? What would you do with that report?

[wet fox]

Interesting. I already have a table with these fields id | action_type | target_discord_snowflake | executor_discord_snowflake | guild_id | channel_id | reason | metadata | created_at

I've got a direction, im going for it. Thanks to all of you.

Anyone who want the data I don't mind sharing too

[plush iris]

Im interested in share mi knowledge ad recieve the one from others in python

[wet fox]

Am i missing any other data I should store?

I've already decided to track timeout

[chilly jasper]

Gemini after destryoing my week old script:
"👈✌️😌🦅"

[silver plover]

!compban 1218853678329495644

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @leaden hamlet until <t:1767798358:f> (4 days).

[chilly jasper]

they out there raiding security servers man

[hybrid nebula]

another mrbeast crypto scam?

[cunning carbon]

Is tablet good for learning coding?

[compact eagle]

it'll be a bit hard
but you can

[cunning carbon]

I don't have computer, and building computer, or buying a laptop is much expensive for me

[hybrid nebula]

use a laptop or PC

you definitely want an actual computer

when in doubt, use a raspberry pi, you can get those for cheap

[cunning carbon]

It is so expensive

[hybrid nebula]

compared to a tablet?

raspberry pis are cheap

[compact eagle]

you can install termux
and connect a keyboard to your tablet
it's a start

[unborn lagoon]

Better than a phone, yes, but you'll still be limited by the platform. Typing might be a bit hard without a keyboard and, depending on the OS, the software available could also be limiting.

[hybrid nebula]

only works if it's an android tablet

[compact eagle]

oh yes
i assumed android

[hybrid nebula]

which I doubt because ironically most people who have a tablet but not enough money for anything better, have an iPad

ime

[cunning carbon]

Yeah i mean, i know a tablet is redmi pad 8 pro. Has snapDragon 8 elite chip. Compared to laptop it's cheap

[hybrid nebula]

ooh, redmi is Android

you can install termux

(please from f-droid and not google play)

[cunning carbon]

Yeah, i know but, can i root it after, and can i install desktop os?

Is it possible?

[hybrid nebula]

I still recommend a raspberry pi for more serious projects (good luck hosting a web server on your laptop)

[unborn lagoon]

Yesn't? It depends. You could probably get some form of desktop Linux on the thing with some work.

[hybrid nebula]

I'd assume so, but you probably a) need a PC for that and b) it's risky and not guaranteed to work

and c) you either get all your android apps, or a desktop environment, probably never both

[cunning carbon]

What's the limitation, of what i can do in desktop, that i can't do in tablet (android)

[hybrid nebula]

It's easier to list all the things you can do on android

you can only use features Termux or Termux-API exposes

[winged girder]

hey guys im new here to coding in general im thinking about learning python

[hybrid nebula]

you can only use CLI editors unless you setup VNC which takes long and doesn't really work well

[cerulean ravine]

good idea. you will like it.

[winged girder]

yes i was just hoping if i get any help from someone in this server

[cunning carbon]

Well i use neovim on my current android, and i love it. I have configured some pluging, and it looks nearly as vs code

[undone wagon]

Why is my pyinstall executable so bloated because my .py file is 46kb but executable is 31.64mb

[unborn lagoon]

!res general
Have you looked at our resources yet? Some common suggestions here for starting are Automate the Boring Stuff with Python and Harvard's CS50P course.

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[unborn lagoon]

Because PyInstaller ships a Python interpreter alongside your actual code. This is how PyInstaller is able to bundle your app into an executable.

[undone wagon]

Is there a way to reduce filesize

Or is porting to c the only option?

[gilded hornet]

U can increase it by extracting one

[undone wagon]

Why would I increase it?

[unborn lagoon]

One would be to simply ship the source code files as is (if possible, perhaps via a zipapp) and have some form of setup script that installs a Python runtime. Another would be to use something like upx, though iirc this tends to trip the AVs. The other would be perhaps trying with Nuitka, that might do better size-wise.

[undone wagon]

What is AV?

[unborn lagoon]

An antivirus.

[undone wagon]

And what are cons of Nuitka

[charred tusk]

That it's annoying as hell to work with

Is it Python executable o'clock again?

[hybrid nebula]

I heavily recommend C# if you 'just' need an executable

It's actually not too hard

[leaden plinth]

guys

[unborn lagoon]

Nuitka is effectively a different Python compiler, so things that might work with CPython might not work with Nuitka (though I'm not sure of any significant ones here, except certain libraries). You will also need a C compiler for building stuff with Nuitka.

[leaden plinth]

i made a Rock paper scissors project in python

i feel so proud

[charred tusk]

Do you have some time to talk about our savior, Rust BTW?

[winged girder]

The python community ignored me .... TwT

[leaden plinth]

i can help you

[harsh anchor]

how does it work?

[leaden plinth]

basically

its like player vs computer

[harsh anchor]

in one message, please 😬

[leaden plinth]

oh

1 sec

[finite sigil]

How do I know which off-topic forum to ask a Javascript question in? (Looking for a guru)

[leaden plinth]

I Lay the instructions, like 0 = rock and 1 = paper and 2 = scissors, then i ask the user what do they want to go for, then i print their choice and I import the random module beacuse they will verse a computer. and i made a big BIG chain of if conditions 🙂

where do I send me code?

(im not really good at explaining stuff.. 😥 )

[harsh anchor]

sounds reasonable enough

[leaden plinth]

yep

btw

I do need help for OOL

(Object oriented Lang)

basically just classes i need to learn

[harsh anchor]

do you have a specific question?

[finite sigil]

About Javascript?

[undone wagon]

How can I make this pathfinder not be stuck at walls https://github.com/TuxWarez/Pathfinder/blob/main/distance.py

[shrewd pine]

and with 0-2 you can do the cute mod trick 😌

[undone wagon]

Something that I have been thinking about is adding depth like in chess bots where it looks multiple moves in the future

[shrewd pine]

globals all over 🥴

[undone wagon]

It doesnt work if I dont put global

[harsh anchor]

no

[undone wagon]

I don't know why but the only fix is global keyword

Which hasn't been causing troubles

[cerulean ravine]

we can explain global to you if you like

[shrewd pine]

it's probably fine for now, but it's probably worth learning why it's a bad idea long term

[shrewd pine]

you (greedily) try to take a step in whatever direction would produce the shortest point to point distance, and this gets you stuck at a wall?

[undone wagon]

Yes

[shrewd pine]

what you probably want it to find the shortest path to the target, and act based on that

for that you would need to implement something like a bfs

[undone wagon]

What is bfs

[shrewd pine]

breadth first search

[undone wagon]

Is it a good idea to add depth like what chess bots are doing but on a much simpler level

Like it doesnt account for the player moves

[shrewd pine]

afaict it's not quite the kind of depth you need

[harsh anchor]

i see there is an enemy?

[shrewd pine]

what you would want is to make a move to the cell which has the shortest distance to the target, taking the obstacles into account

[undone wagon]

I calculated it anyways and it would be so slow

[undone wagon]

Well I know that, but how do I make it work

[undone wagon]

Yes

[undone wagon]

Can you explain it to me

[bright shoal]

highly likely lol

[leaden plinth]

hello

can someone explain class to me

id highly appreciate it

[harsh anchor]

do you have a specific question

[leaden plinth]

what are clsses used fore

for

[harsh anchor]

creating custom objects that behave how you want

[leaden plinth]

could you go into more detail please

[shrewd pine]

the simplest thing might be to start at the target and expand layer by layer like so

#........
#........
#...#..O.
#...#....
#.@.#....
########

#........
#......1.
#...#.1O1
#...#..1.
#.@.#....
########

#......2.
#.....212
#...#21O1
#...#.212
#.@.#..2.
########

#87654323
#76543212
#876#21O1
#987#3212
#A@8#4323
########

[harsh anchor]

are you familiar with types like list, int, and dict?

[leaden plinth]

yep

[harsh anchor]

classes are how you make custom types in python. so you can make your own objects that behave how you want

[leaden plinth]

something like functions?

[shrewd pine]

in this case the smallest number you can reach is an 8, and either up or right would take you closer to the target

(I probably accidentally flipped O and @)

[harsh anchor]

not really. classes can have functions associated with them, which are called methods, though

[leaden plinth]

right

How are classes used?

[shrewd pine]

(making diagrams on a phone was a mistake)

[harsh anchor]

essentially the same way you use any built-in type. you create it, you do things to it with its methods, etc

[leaden plinth]

(im totally new to python OOP)

[harsh anchor]

but you have used things like lists, right?

[leaden plinth]

yes

[harsh anchor]

are you following a specific resource?

[leaden plinth]

w3schools

i dont really know anything other than that resource

[eager smelt]

w3schools is a bad resource for Python

!res general
We generally recommend Automate the Boring Stuff and A Byte of Python

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[leaden plinth]

what do you reccomend?

oh

[harsh anchor]

automate the boring stuff doesn't teach oop, but a byte of python does

[leaden plinth]

btw

im going for more of a user-friendly ui

but ill try

oh that make thing easy for me

whats self?

[spark obsidian]

in which context did you see it ?

[leaden plinth]

classes

(methods)

[undone wagon]

I still dont understand it

[spark obsidian]

to keep it short, because I can't and won't do better in a few lines than the thousands of tutorials out there, self refers to the instance itself.

In other terms,

class Foo:
  def bar(self):
    ...


inst = Foo()

inst and self refer to the exact same things here

[harsh anchor]

self refers to the instance that you called the method on

[leaden plinth]

so self is the class?

[limpid meadow]

The instance of a class

[leaden plinth]

so like a action?

[spark obsidian]

there is a bit more of a distinction to do there, the core principle of oop is that you distinguish the blueprint from the realized product

classes define the concept of what you have, and instances and concrete realizations of it

[split garden]

I think that self refers to the instance of the class that you just created like inst in the previous example

[leaden plinth]

oh so self is the actual product?

[shrewd pine]

the idea or how to write code that does it?

[spark obsidian]

Here is a minimal example before getting back to self

class Dog:
  def __init__(self, name):
    self.name = name

fido = Dog("Fido")
cooper = Dog("Cooper")

The class Dog defines what a dog is. In our case, it's saying that a dog has a name
Then, you have fido and cooper which are actual Dog, and therefore have concrete names

[split garden]

In my mind I picture it like that

[leaden plinth]

heh.. whats init...

(dunder)

[undone wagon]

The idea

[split garden]

Its the initializer method of a class.Every class has one of it

[cerulean ravine]

__init__ is the code that gets run when the object is first created.

[leaden plinth]

oh

so its the base?

[cerulean ravine]

the constructor

[leaden plinth]

right

[shrewd pine]

ignoring obstacles for the time being, you can compute all the distances to a point by expanding from that point, layer by layer

      x
    01234
    -----
  0|.....
  1|.....
y 2|..x..
  3|.....
  4|.....

distance 0: [(2, 2)]

      x
    01234
    -----
  0|.....
  1|..x..
y 2|.x0x.
  3|..x..
  4|.....

distance 1: [(1, 2), (2, 1), (2, 3), (3, 2)]

      x
    01234
    -----
  0|..x..
  1|.x1x.
y 2|x101x
  3|.x1x.
  4|..x..

distance 2: ...

if you have obstacles it limits what cells you can actually expand into at each step

if you have this computed everywhere you can just look at which cell around you has the lowest distance to the target, and move there

[oblique spindle]

I mean idk what even is monorepo or microrepo

[cerulean ravine]

my point was that there are discussions where it can be helpful to know the person's experience. It's easy for people to have opinions. How do you decide whether they are right or not?

[oblique spindle]

._. oh I replied to wrong message

[midnight patrol]

Hello devs!
Question, apart from basedpyright, do you also use mypy?

Or is the linter + the type system sufficient enough

[steady rain]

I just use whatever type checker pycharm is using to tell me that my code is wrong.
Astral's ty will probably become the most popular type checker once it's "ready"

whenever Astral makes something, it quickly becomes the most popular tool for that thing.

[midnight patrol]

I see, interesting...

(I haven't heard of astral before, will look into it)

Oh, Astral is uv and Ruff...
Wow... okay, yea that's cool

[oblique spindle]

Isn't Ty already released?

[cerulean ravine]

it's alpha

[midnight patrol]

Beta apparently

[cerulean ravine]

beta? not sure!

[oblique spindle]

Oh

[midnight patrol]

https://astral.sh/blog/ty

That's just what they have here

[oblique spindle]

Let's use Ruff and UV till now

[cerulean ravine]

0.0.8, beta

[unborn lantern]

Hy

How to understand python class and object

[midnight patrol]

Can start with understanding the principles of classes and objects (Object oriented programming)

[unborn lantern]

How many members here ?

[bright shoal]

at least 3

[midnight patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[patent sky]

hi

does any one know what yolo is ?

[finite sigil]

Can someone please tell me which forum I can post a Javascript question and get a decent response. The silly named Off-Topic forums all see like they have random gibberish posts in them. (Genuine question)

[oblique spindle]

I mean you should join a dedicated discord server for it.

[finite sigil]

Sadly all of the Javascript servers suck

[oblique spindle]

The Programmer Hangout The Coding Den

Devcord is also a good server for web development

[brisk osprey]

hi guys I need help

hackathon ideas

[oblique spindle]

I mean they don't

[brisk osprey]

the topic is "everyday problems and intelligent solutions"

[oblique spindle]

If you're expecting a response in a minute it's honesty not possible.

[finite sigil]

Couldn't find "The Coding Den"

[velvet hull]

I m trying to figure out my ubuntu but idk I am having issues with connecting to wifi how do I fix it anybody knows is this offtopic?

[finite sigil]

When you don't see posts of responses for months or years, then a server sucks....

It won't let me join - strange because I have never been a member there

[wise plinth]

can any1 provide me a good video to learn python? i watched the course of brocode saw for 8hrs/12 then it just becamed too hectic without any project is there any good course to help me with that?

[oblique spindle]

Probably banned.

[finite sigil]

But I have never been on that server

[cerulean ravine]

off-topic channels specifically have no category, so they will have random posts in them.

[finite sigil]

So does that make them a bad place to post?

[cerulean ravine]

maybe not. They are for posts that are not on-topic in any other channel, so they could be anything.

[velvet hull]

There are good resources here

!res

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[wise plinth]

tysm

[finite sigil]

I just want a Javascript guru to review something - I kniw it's a stretch here, but there are so many smart pwople on this server

[bronze dragon]

if the JS servers aren't active enough, our off-topic is worth trying. we're active and have lots of people who have experience in a lot of different fields.
this still doesn't guarantee a response, nothing will, but the cost of trying is zero anyway.

[finite sigil]

True, I just wasn't sure where to post. Well, if any JS gururs are listening, I I will try in logs-are-people-too

[velvet hull]

I had this problem of finding a good to do list maker.U can use text to speech converter and let the code make a to do list with reminders and more.Imo ofc

[formal lintel]

is it possible to add any unique name or id to addTrack of peerConnection of webRTC?

[tropic mason]

Yolo is a computer vision model

[brave nexus]

what is the for and in functions for

the course im watching didnt explain it 😢

[tropic mason]

For is loop colled for loop

[bronze dragon]

what course are you watching?

[brave nexus]

harvards c50's actually

maybe i missed it

[bronze dragon]

they do explain for loops in cs50

[brave nexus]

wait lemme rewatch

[bronze dragon]

check if you didn't accidentally skip a day, or something?

[tropic mason]

Yep they did...

[shadow hull]

"One new thing in a day keeps the anxiety away!"

[vagrant acorn]

Does anyone know about "anvpy"?

[peak relic]

What is that?

[shadow hull]

What is anvpy?

[vagrant acorn]

I am not getting it maybe because I am new to python

[brave nexus]

yea mb guys

[shadow hull]

Me too New

[peak relic]

Where did you see or learn about anvpy?

[vagrant acorn]

In Google play there is a app called anvpy

[brave nexus]

they are for loops

[vagrant acorn]

Python android builder

[tropic mason]

Yup...

[peak relic]

First time I heard about it. Things I've heard mentioned here are Acode, Termux and PyDroid

[vagrant acorn]

Maybe it's a new tool i think

[shadow hull]

Yeah there is a app called anvpy

Only 26 reviews , exactly new app

[vagrant acorn]

Yes

[shadow hull]

I am reading a book, else i could install and open it

AnvPy (short for Android Versatile Python or Python Android Builder) is a mobile IDE (integrated development environment) for Python. �
PyPI
It lets you write Python code and immediately run it as an Android app (APK). �
Google Play
You can build apps, simple games, and other Python projects on your phone or tablet. �
APKPure.com

[plucky beacon]

anyone here does PyTorch ?

[steady rain]

always ask your actual question. don't ask to ask.

[shadow hull]

Having no friend is better than having fair weather friends

[steady rain]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**When you were first learning, what is something that stumped you?**

Suggest more topics here!

[steady rain]

decorators.

[merry bronze]

Decorators are insane

[shadow hull]

Logic

[shadow hull]

What's 1,2

[celest osprey]

🤔

[steady rain]

it means two people had done the reaction

[vagrant acorn]

Could anyone recommend how to start android development using python am confused ?

[steady rain]

Python isn't widely used for that

[frosty oriole]

you may want to look into Kotlin which seems to have a better ecosystem for android development

[vagrant acorn]

But I saw many apps and games prototypes made with python

[frosty oriole]

it is possible, just not very common

[vagrant acorn]

In the samples section of "anvpy"

[nova breach]

if I want to use MSYS2 GCC for building libs and don't want MSYS2 Python to be ran in Powershell, what should I do?

[peak relic]

Anvpy looks very new and not well tested. You are free to experiment and see how to use it to build Android apps but we think its uncommon and unproven that it will work. Consider learning Flutter or React Native or Kotlin for Android development for a more popular and supported approach.

[spice hill]

apparently Swift also works on android

[sullen dust]

What doesn't run on android bruh

[vagrant acorn]

Oo. Thanks i thought running python locally on android will minimize server cost thats why

Maybe i should ask "anvpy" developer once

[spice hill]

If you want to host some server side program on a phone, that's a different story

I think that's more likely to succeed

[vagrant acorn]

Can I install python libraries locally

On android

[peak relic]

yes you can

[vagrant acorn]

How

[charred tusk]

pip installs packages

[vagrant acorn]

On android ?

[charred tusk]

ah

yes

[peak relic]

Depends on your editor. You can try Acode or Termux or PyDroid. Acode or Pydroid are simpler to use and has some specific steps to install via their GUI. Termux requires you to install Python and pip install your libraries but involves a bit more technical with vi or nano

[charred tusk]

But you need whatever emulator first

[vagrant acorn]

As a standalone app

.apk

[steel whale]

kivy is pretty solid, I've made tons of apps with it, even did some design

[steel whale]

use buildozer, the process is long but it's worth it

kivy is easy to use too

[vagrant acorn]

Do you know about anvpy, maybe it's a alternative to it i think

[steel whale]

never heard of it

I recommend kivy for Android development

[vagrant acorn]

It's in Google play

[peak relic]

Have you tried Acode or PyDroid yet?

[steel whale]

@vagrant acorn pydroid is solid, use it

[vagrant acorn]

Yes pydroid I tried but I didn't see any option to create standalone .apk package fromthe samples section

It just runs there

[steel whale]

that's how it's supposed to run

if you wanna make android apps use kivy to make the app and buildozer to build it

[dusky crag]

Hey people

[crystal scarab]

What takes someone from basic understanding of python to intermediate with python?

[versed jasper]

it depends...

[crystal scarab]

Yea this is probably a really vague question

😭

[vagrant acorn]

I think we need to get linux for this

[steel whale]

if you wanna

I recommend it tho

[versed jasper]

Which area of programming are you working in?

[vagrant acorn]

Ok we can also do it in colab

[steel whale]

or that

[real cosmos]

IMO when the stop using hacky solutions to do a task with a built in solution.

[crystal scarab]

Well I just got done with a 12 hour YouTube course by brooded, just to understand the basics, but I want to get into data science

[vagrant acorn]

Oops 30 minutes that's a lot of time for buildozer

Is this efficient for testing

[steel whale]

only way to get APKs

[sullen dust]

!res

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vagrant acorn]

I think it's a kinda project not a stable way for app development

[sullen dust]

theres alot of stuff on the resources page that can help you aswell

[crystal scarab]

My autocorrect messed me up I ment to say brocode

[crystal scarab]

Thank you

[vagrant acorn]

Oh, but in "anvpy" i build the app in seconds. Maybe i should study on it.

[peak relic]

share your code repo of what you made with it. I'm curious if its any better

[vagrant acorn]

No i just copied a sample code in "anvpy" app and build .apk with it

[versed jasper]

That is great, if i were you i would start project based learning approach. Make a projetc proposal (start small) in the data science area and start buildind. Dont forget to use git.

[crystal scarab]

What is the point of git I see alot of videos and people talk about it i know people publish code there but i dont fully understand what its for other then sharing code

[frosty oriole]

it tracks different versions of your code and lets multiple people work on the code together

[versed jasper]

sorry to interrupt, but why do you want to use python libraries at the an android app ? Is it embedded LLM's?

[crystal scarab]

This was also very helpful thankyou it reaffirmed the route I wanted to go down

[vagrant acorn]

No i have a telegram bot automation project using python and inwant it to make it an app without relying on servers

[crystal scarab]

Interesting

I’ll have to learn how to use that

Is it possible to only give access to certain people?

[unborn lagoon]

That will depend on the platform you're hosting the Git repository on, but usually yes, there's such a thing as "private repositories".

[crystal scarab]

I have a friend that’s getting into python and we wanted to work on something together and we didn’t know if it was possible so that’s great news

[runic flower]

Source control for your code is a HUGE feature you'll want to learn. There will be times where you will change your code, or lose some code, and really wish you had saved an older version of it. Added bonus you can set it up so that other people can look at / help you on as well, and bonus bonus, you can set up automatic testing and building as well.

[versed jasper]

take a look at thishttps://docs.python.org/3.14/using/android.html.

[crystal scarab]

That would be very helpful rn honestly 😂, I built a little program that could take in a article and count how many times each word was used, and I deleted it so now I have to remake it.

Although I made most of it with ai last time so now I get the chance to make it fully myself

[versed jasper]

Git its a versioning tool that allows you make check point at your projetc. Further it can be used with other platforms as github ou gitlabs to work with peers without having conflics.

[compact loom]

are django models used so the migrate command understands what needs to be added to the schema?

[rapid bridge]

Yes, but I think that's sort of the wrong direction to think about things. You make models because you want to store data in the database. The makemigrations command then sets up migrations to convert them into actual tables in the database, since the database doesn't understand Python

[cosmic mantle]

Hey guys i just finished chapter 6 of automating boring stuff in python what should i build to practice all those

[compact loom]

okay, just trying to grasp the idea better

[rapid bridge]

To be pedantic, the migrate command only looks at migrations, it doesn't look at models. makemigrations is what looks at models.

[compact loom]

yeah you gotta makemigrate then migrate

its like commit and push

[shrewd pine]

oh there will be conflicts

[versed jasper]

You understood what i meant kk. You can solve then before commiting kkk

[compact loom]

theres alot to take in with django

kinda confusing lol

[shrewd pine]

I know what you meant, it's just almost the opposite of what you wrote :P

with more naive sharing someone else can easily just clobber your stuff without thinking

[compact loom]

q.choice_set.create im kinda confused what im looking at here

[shrewd pine]

getting conflicts in such a case is a great feature :)

[compact loom]

a method of a class, but whats the other bit?

.create

[versed jasper]

sure it is :). As i was explaining to someone that just started the jorney at programming, i jumped the process and present only the final solution...

[cosmic mantle]

Hey guys i just finished chapter 6 of automating boring stuff in python what should i build to practice all those

[shrewd pine]

factory function, maybe?

[compact loom]

i dont even know lol

tutorial has lost me

class Question(models.Model):
    question_text = models.CharField(max_length=200)
    pub_date = models.DateTimeField("Date Published")

    def was_published_recently(self):
        return self.pub_date >= timezone.now() - datetime.timedelta(days=1)
    
    def __str__(self):
        return self.question_text

class Choice(models.Model):
    question = models.ForeignKey(Question, on_delete=models.CASCADE)
    choice_text = models.CharField(max_length=200)
    votes = models.IntegerField(default=0)

    def __str__(self):
        return self.choice_text

these are the models it shows you how to make

[rapid bridge]

.choice_set is automatically generated as the set of choices for which question is q

Don't remember the create bit tho.

[compact loom]

i mean it creates a choice

# Create three choices.
>>> q.choice_set.create(choice_text="Not much", votes=0)
<Choice: Not much>
>>> q.choice_set.create(choice_text="The sky", votes=0)
<Choice: The sky>
>>> c = q.choice_set.create(choice_text="Just hacking again", votes=0)

[shrewd pine]

is this orm stuff?

[compact loom]

but ive never seen like class.method.???

just in python in general

[shrewd pine]

!d classmethod

[edgy kraken]

classmethod

@classmethod```
Transform a method into a class method.

A class method receives the class as an implicit first argument, just like an instance method receives the instance. To declare a class method, use this idiom...

[compact loom]

could be - its about databases

[compact loom]

ive seen class.method but not class.method.whateverthisis

[rapid bridge]

foo.bar.baz in the general sense is just

temp= foo.bar
temp.baz

[compact loom]

oh thats confusing as hell

i hate that

[rapid bridge]

There will be more complex chaining cases in the orm later IIRC

[shrewd pine]

we have namespaces at home
namespaces at home:

[compact loom]

ive not once used decorators so makes sense ive never seen this

[rapid bridge]

I'm surprised you've never seen people do like py s=s.strip().split(',') or similar

[compact loom]

never seen them chained together

[shrewd pine]

decorators on their own aren't weird, it's pretty simple syntax sugar

but you can do a lot with it

[compact loom]

im tryna think of a decorator ive seen before

i cant remember it though

[shrewd pine]

staticmethod?

cache?

[compact loom]

maybe

cant remember really

ive never had a reason to use them

[shrewd pine]

do you know what they are useful for?

[compact loom]

not really

[shrewd pine]

if not maybe you're missing out

[compact loom]

ive never worked on a large scale project, maybe thats why ive never used them

i just work on silly tiny things

hence why django has me confused

[shrewd pine]

it's hard to know there was reason to use something if you don't know what it does :P

[compact loom]

i guess yeah

[cobalt flax]

Dude the more I look at like tech and electronics content the more I get motivated to learn python

its crazy how much stuff can be done with python

i've heard python isnt even like a fast language compared to others

[shrewd pine]

tl;dr about the syntax sugar

# Given
def deco(function):
  ...

# this
@deco
def fun(...): ...

# is equivalent to
def _temp(...): ...

fun = deco(_temp)

[cobalt flax]

wonder what that @ symbol does

[compact loom]

if i could post a terrified look gif right now i would

[shrewd pine]

that's kinda all there is to it

[rancid fractal]

True but that's irrelevant and/or negligible in many usecases.

[cobalt flax]

radical

also im getting better at touch typing

[runic flower]

general misconception, there are some languages that are faster at some things, but most of the time you're waiting on user input or bandwidth or the data so it's very rarely an issue, and when it is an issue, someone makes a library that does that thing fast.

[shrewd pine]

but it turns out you can do a lot of fun stuff with it

[cobalt flax]

hitting letters like p, q and b is so weird tho

[cobalt flax]

oh ok

is coding games in python efficient then

[abstract vigil]

Does a variables exist outside a for loop

[rancid fractal]

Besides many Python libraries are written in C/C++ so you'll get speed boosts where it matters. There is a reason why libs like pandas are numpy got so popular.

But yeah you can write very non-performant code in any language

[compact loom]

well i had a productive 20 minute session with django today

time to contemplate

[bronze dragon]

like, can a variable created inside a for loop be accessed outside it? yes, but better not to rely on that.

[abstract vigil]

Better not rely on it how?

[shrewd pine]

usually picking a faster language can win you a constant factor in performance, which may or may not matter depending on the circumstances

[bronze dragon]

if the for loop doesn't run for at least one iteration, the variable won't be defined and you'll get a NameError

[velvet hull]

may i ask a foolish question aside from the sub branches of python is it possible to fully master python as in coding or is it a very vast thing

[abstract vigil]

I remember reading a book that days it being fast usually depends on computer but algorithm efficiency doesn't vary much

[velvet hull]

i kinda am at CLASS and i dont think there are topics beyond that or are there?

[abstract vigil]

Oh i get it,thanks

[shrewd pine]

there are always new topics and new concepts

[bronze dragon]

there are many topics beyond that. the question is whether you're interested in them, and/or whether they will be useful to you.

[cobalt flax]

for i in range(10):
    integer = i

print(integer)
``` wow i didnt know that worked

[velvet hull]

as in on every update?

[velvet hull]

do u mean the subbranches?

[bronze dragon]

idk what you mean by "subbranches"

[velvet hull]

like ai ds is a subranch game dev web dev etc

[shrewd pine]

the core language changes slowly, but there are so many python things out there

there is always more to learn if you want or need to

[rapid bridge]

The core language and standard library is possible to learn in full, tho it's probably not practical to do so and you should just learn the slice that's relevant to you.

But Python is one of the vastest languages around in terms of domains, so there is just too much to learn outside of the stdlib.

[bronze dragon]

ok. I don't (just) mean that.
there are many more things to learn even in the core language, beyond classes. classes are taught/learnt fairly early, in the grand scheme of things.

[shrewd pine]

you will never learn everything, and you don't need to

[rapid bridge]

The core language is still surprisingly extensive tho

[shrewd pine]

it is

[velvet hull]

ic

is lambda a thing after classes or smt ,heard this thing called lambda

[bronze dragon]

a lambda is just a way to create small, one-expression, unnamed functions.

[velvet hull]

ohhh

[dry pike]

and lambda itself is an expression

[shrewd pine]

there are plenty of weird stuff in the stdlib

!d tabnanny

[edgy kraken]

tabnanny

Source code: Lib/tabnanny.py

For the time being this module is intended to be called as a script. However it is possible to import it into an IDE and use the function check() described below...

[rapid bridge]

The actual semantics of async generators are pretty horrific, for example.

[shrewd pine]

!d tabnanny.NannyNag

[edgy kraken]

tabnanny.NannyNag

exception tabnanny.NannyNag```
Raised by [`process_tokens()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/tabnanny.html#tabnanny.process_tokens) if detecting an ambiguous indent. Captured and handled in [`check()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/tabnanny.html#tabnanny.check).

[rapid bridge]

I've implemented the damn thing and still couldn't explain it without referring to the code.

[velvet hull]

ic

[cosmic mantle]

Hey guys how do i find real problems for my level to solve and improve myself

[cobalt flax]

I kinda just get those moments of "mmm i could probably do this with python" whenever a task that seems automatable pops into my head

like something involving spreadsheets or smt

[bronze dragon]

what is your level? and what do you consider "real" problems?

[cosmic mantle]

I mean ye,

But you see i am a beginner so ,

[cosmic mantle]

Im a total beginner

[cobalt flax]

Oh then you probably wont be able to do much except for just

keep learning

[spring minnow]

I used to use StackExchange's Code Review site to get ideas. You can even add the [beginner] tag to the search to see simpler projects.

[cobalt flax]

im in that stage too

[cosmic mantle]

Ye you are right

[tepid obsidian]

You can use that to learn. Think of something you could do with python and try replicating it with the help of online resources

[cosmic mantle]

I will use this

[cosmic mantle]

Hmm i will try

[next steeple]

yoo anyone dm me if u wana make a python aimbot with me

[spring minnow]

!rule 5

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[spring minnow]

This server does not allow discussions about TOS-breaking activities.

[flat moon]

!rules

[edgy kraken]

Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

[graceful isle]

I mean, do you know how machine learning or AI works? Data Science? Those are huge python fields/concepts and I promise, basic python doesn't teach it. It's just the entryway. There's so much math.

anybody here need an extra coder on a project? i'm new and sort of floundering for direction.

[harsh wolf]

everyone register this

Open Source

[verbal citrus]

what is it? you didn't even explain what it is

[harsh wolf]

it is a 1 month open source program

just Like gssoc

[verbal citrus]

looks like spam

[runic flower]

it can be, there's been a few, speed is not the issue though, distribution is. If you're making games you probably want to distribute the game to customers. Which would require them to have python and the source code to run. For something like this you're probably better off making your back end in any language you want (including python) and then your frontend distributable client in a native executable format.

[verbal citrus]

why is it a direct like to a clerk login

sus

[harsh wolf]

no bro

you can see it on social media also

[wet fox]

The link probably could do without the ref tail

[grave tree]

Please don't advertise/spread your referral code here

[harsh wolf]

there are so many community partners, sponsors, exciting rewards

[wet fox]

oops wrong ping

[verbal citrus]

yeah no this seems like an ad/promo

[harsh wolf]

you can join without referral id also

[wet fox]

should've started with that

[harsh wolf]

this is just normal website link

interested one can visit this

[grave tree]

Please don't advertise. That website has nothing meaningful and it's really screaming either scam or a project that's launched entirely too early

[verbal citrus]

the website isn't even obvious what it's supposed to do

[harsh wolf]

ok leave it

no need to register

[unborn lantern]

any indian here ??

[frosty oriole]

many such cases

[mossy sigil]

half the server

[unborn lantern]

can somebody explain me why i i did not remember the logic behind the code stuf of that

[silver plover]

Because you aren't asking enough questions?

[tranquil tinsel]

Is there any recent news on making it easier to create a single executable to distribute applications?

[steady rain]

Nope.

[timid ember]

Perhaps

[tranquil tinsel]

Do you have any more information?

[timid ember]

Nah

[tight tree]

@steady rain curious why you are recommending uv to beginners (over pip)? I have never used it but does it not add an additionally layer of complexity? As in less info about it online and not being the convention of many tutorials and read.mes?

[steady rain]

the commands are the same for every OS and you don't need there to be a lot of tutorials because it's easier to use.

[upper sigil]

async generators are just fundamentally broken tbf

oh I was scrolled up

[tight tree]

I mean that many packages tell you to pip install. Same with pypi.org. I am mostly curious why it is so popular when the only benefit I know of is it is a bit faster

[steady rain]

I don't even care that it's "fast". the API is much more smooth than creating venvs and activating them.

[cerulean ravine]

there are more benefits, though some of them are also downsides.

[tight tree]

uv does not use virtual environments?

[cerulean ravine]

it's not a bit faster, it's much faster, so much so that you can use it for things where you can't use pip.

[steady rain]

it does, but some of the time they're implementation details.

[radiant granite]

Umm hello lads

[charred tusk]

Its less that it’s smooth or use and more that it’s just always required and hidden from you
But that doesn’t make it any less amazing

[cerulean ravine]

some of us

[timid ember]

✌️💔

[radiant granite]

Ok

[charred tusk]

It forces you to use them

[unborn lagoon]

uv combines a lot of very common tasks into a single tool. It manages environments and packages and aspects of packaging and distribution. Especially considering the somewhat fragmented state of the Python packaging ecosystem, a single convenient tool is appreciated.

[radiant granite]

Sup

[radiant granite]

Sorry🙏

[charred tusk]

You’ve hit use cases where pip is too slow?
I mean, Poetry sure, but pip?

[cerulean ravine]

this is also a downside. recommendations to "use uv" can be confusing if you don't specify exactly which parts of uv to use, and how.

[tight tree]

does it still default to pypi.org as its source/name reference?

[charred tusk]

Yes

[steady rain]

yes, but why does that matter?

[cerulean ravine]

what I mean is that uv has uvx which makes a virtualenv and installs packages fast enough that i can run tools directly without thinking about the creation and installation step

[tight tree]

because I dont want to download a name sniped package thats a virus

[cerulean ravine]

yes, uv uses pypi, where else would it get packages?

[charred tusk]

You don’t have a private index at $WORK?

[tight tree]

idk, im sure there are other sites that are less popular that host python packages

[charred tusk]

Are you currently using any of them?

[tight tree]

no

[charred tusk]

Oh

[cerulean ravine]

uv uses pypi by default, and can use other indexes, just like pip

[charred tusk]

Exactly

You kinda implied that pip was the only place

[cerulean ravine]

i spoke too quickly

[charred tusk]

How do you avoid this today?

[tight tree]

If matplotlib somehow loses their name on pypi I hope that someone notices before I install it 🙃

[cerulean ravine]

i thought @tight tree was afraid that uv used a new index that would be more susceptible to malware

[tight tree]

^

[charred tusk]

Ah

[cerulean ravine]

cooldowns are a good idea: https://blog.yossarian.net/2025/11/21/We-should-all-be-using-dependency-cooldowns

[radiant granite]

🙏

[rugged barn]

Good timezone

[silver plover]

I do wish there was a nice solution for sandboxing or restricting individual packages.. maybe an eventual opportunity with sandboxing subinterpreters?

[charred tusk]

The company behind uv is making their own package index, pyx
But it’ll be a paid solution

There’s not really anyone mirroring the entire PyPI
Alternative indexes are mostly hosting their own group’s projects

[silver plover]

Main thing I want is some trust heuristics that I could define locally

[charred tusk]

Does anyone do this?

[radiant granite]

Isn't pip used to install packages?

[rugged barn]

For... good question, really

[silver plover]

Not that I recall

[fading cipher]

Python is named after a snake

[cerulean ravine]

yes, in fact "pip" stands for "pip installs packages"

[radiant granite]

Obviously

[rugged barn]

PSF's own index is already sketchy enough tbh

[cerulean ravine]

Python is named after Monty Python

[rugged barn]

It is not actually 🤓

[silver plover]

Misinformation from the CIA ofc. 😆

[cerulean ravine]

PSF has a mirror?

[radiant granite]

Yh cuz I installed flask

[radiant granite]

🤣 nerd

[charred tusk]

You what?

[tight tree]

Are you talking about defining that a specific package should not be allowed to access the filesystem, for example?

[silver plover]

Yes exactly

[rugged barn]

They're the ones maintaining the current PyPi
Well
A mix of PSF staff, contractors, etc
But ultimately the Warehouse belongs to them

[silver plover]

I understand why it's hard/impossible, just that it's something I'd love

[spice hill]

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/concepts/resolution/#dependency-cooldowns

Calendar units such as months and years are not allowed since they are inherently inconsistent lengths.
Based

[cerulean ravine]

i see, you didn't mean mirror, you meant the package index

[rugged barn]

Oh, yeah
Fair enough, let me edit my message

TY

[charred tusk]

That’s not “good enough” though, is it?
Whatever you ran could just rm-rf the sandbox and your PC along with it.
You need to sandbox the entire OS.

[charred tusk]

If we’re getting technical, Warehouse is owned by the PyPA team

[spice hill]

You first need to install the package, which can run arbitrary code

[charred tusk]

Right?

[silver plover]

I dunno, a sandboxed subinterpreters or perhaps a wasm container that's seamlessly imported?

[cerulean ravine]

to me, this seems needlessly pedantic. the cooldown isn't a precise duration anyway, just a guess at how long you want security researchers to have access to the package before you install it.

[charred tusk]

There is a hot standby for PyPI, but it’s not an active mirror.

[bright shoal]

I gotchu twin /j

[charred tusk]

Allowing users to pick their own durations is pedantic?

[spice hill]

Sorry, it's just a minor grievance of mine with @edgy kraken. It often uses m to mean "month", so !mute someone 30m means 30 months or something like that. (and it just expands to 30 days, which isn't terribly useful)

[cerulean ravine]

no, refusing "1 month" is pedantic.

[spice hill]

!mute @spice hill 30m

[edgy kraken]

:x: @spice hill, you may not timeout someone with an equal or higher top role.

[spice hill]

yeah, I got pinged by the bot with this message

⚠️ @spice hill The timeout for @spice hill can't be longer than 28 days. I'll pretend that's what you meant.

[charred tusk]

Oh. I’m on mobile and I missed that part.
Yeah that’s awkward.
I like it, but I am a pedant.

[spice hill]

While it is a bit pedantic, I think it just prevents people from getting a minor nerd snipe when they want to figure out whether P1M means past 1 minute, or past 1 month, and whether month means 30 days or the length of current month in UTC etc. (also less code to write and test, even if a small amount)

[cerulean ravine]

it's ok, it's easy enough to specify days. I would have simply said, "durations must be specified in hours, days, or weeks" and left it at that.

[spice hill]

true

[merry bronze]

Guys, is there anyway I get into Django and pretty much know nothing about HTML and CSS?

[grave tree]

How much Python do you know?

[merry bronze]

Advanced. I’ve been coding python for four years now

But I never got into web development

[cerulean ravine]

start with the django tutorial at djangoproject.com

[grave tree]

Django's tutorial and documentation are really good. The basics of HTML and CSS shouldn't be hard to pick uop

Plus there are a lot of CSS libraries/frameworks that make baseline styling easier

[merry bronze]

Great

So it’s important to know the basics of those two

[spice hill]

For HTML/CSS I'd recommend https://web.dev/learn/ (HTML, CSS, Responsive Design, Accessibiliity, Forms) for tutorials and MDN for reference

[merry bronze]

And what you guys think about get bootstrap?
I believe it’s not good to use it since copy, paste and modify something you barely know about is usually not a great idea, but what do you guys think about starting with it?

[sullen dust]

realpython has some pretty good tutoprials
https://realpython.com/tutorials/django/

[sullen dust]

once u get familiar with css you'll find something called CSS frameworks which is pre-written CSS that you can use, modify without having to do everything from scratch

[wide wagon]

I've been on vs code for an entire day should i go sleep

jk i just forgot it open ive been on vs code for like 2h

Im tryna figure out A* since I literally have no project ideas

[hybrid nebula]

is it complete yet?
you have to earn your sleep by being productive
||jk ofc, go eep||

[wide wagon]

hell naw not complete!

on that grind

[merry bronze]

Is it a good idea to use that?

Doesn’t this limit you?

Or your code?

[hybrid nebula]

the irony being that a lack of sleep is probably the worst thing you can do to your productivity

[harsh anchor]

have you learned about djikstra or bfs?

[wide wagon]

only a bit abt bfs

[sullen dust]

No it makes stuff a lot easier because you can still modify the css plus most css frameworks alr look nice

[hybrid nebula]

given a grid of roads with start/end grid points and speed limits, find the fastest path between your house and mcdonalds

[wide wagon]

Only thing i got to help me is an abstracted version of A* (pseudo code)

[wide wagon]

yknow thats not a bad idea but i consider speed limits more like a suggestion

and that might be slow as hell since my nearest mcdonalds is..30-35min away

[hybrid nebula]

Don't seduce me, I don't have my driver's license yet

[wide wagon]

Me neither

Still got a few years 😭

[hybrid nebula]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**What is your motivation for programming?**

Suggest more topics here!

[wide wagon]

I dont want to be cooked when I get into comp sci(so in about.. a year)

[steady rain]

Keeping my job
And thereby not dying

[hybrid nebula]

america?

[upper sigil]

for some reason they keep making computers worse and programming lets you make computers better and fun

[autumn forge]

it is fun

[wide wagon]

huh?

[hybrid nebula]

the other way around

[wide wagon]

Icl this A* alg looks like complete gibberish at 1am..

[steady rain]

Computers are getting better. It's Windows and consumer software that is getting worse.

[wide wagon]

That's why I use Linux and a terminal with VIM only duh

(thats a joke i use windows)

[granite wyvern]

Ouch:

>>> "a".splitlines()
['a']
>>> "".splitlines()
[]

[upper sigil]

I meant more in the sense of more and more menial things require computers so they're not cool and fun things anymore

[pastel sluice]

Good 2026 to all

[autumn forge]

maybe it will be better in the morning

[spice hill]

did you expect [""]?

[granite wyvern]

Yes

Naive

[wide wagon]

Might take on a diff project this seems a bit boring

[granite wyvern]

Trying to draw railroad diagrams in the terminal:

╭────────╮
│foo     │
│longer  │
│short   │
╰────────╯

[wide wagon]

although I can't come up with anything fun

[silver plover]

A snake game?

[autumn forge]

what project are you doing that needs A*?

[wide wagon]

like none I just cant come up with anythin

[autumn forge]

ah

[granite wyvern]

OTOH, I use macos and a terminal and neovim

[wide wagon]

Kind of tired of games after frying my brain with miniimax

and optimizations!

[silver plover]

Draw fractals?

[wide wagon]

ehh

bad at maths

[silver plover]

If you can implement optimizations, you're good at math.

Maybe bad at math class

[wide wagon]

(note that i didnt even implement it correctly in python and somehow only implemented it correctly in C++)

[wide wagon]

no im good in math class

well decent not good

[autumn forge]

sounds like you're not bad at maths then :)

[wide wagon]

not exactly since the only "optimization" I've done was alphabeta pruning 😭

[cerulean ravine]

you are always building on top of abstractions. You can use a CSS framework now to save yourself some learning, and move away from it later if you want to.

[wide wagon]

not at a high enough level of maths to understand fractals..

[silver plover]

That's the cool thing. You dony need to bea

[spark obsidian]

Imagine using abstractions
I use magnets to manually flip the bits on my hard drive to code

[wide wagon]

huh 😭

[silver plover]

Implementing mandlebrot sets, for instance, doesn't require knowing advanced math

[harsh anchor]

i would say to learn about bfs, then djikstra first. they are essentially simpler versions of A*

[wide wagon]

I know but i dont really have any use for either of them

[wide wagon]

That looks like pretty scary math to me

[harsh anchor]

they can all be used for pathfinding

[wide wagon]

Yea but where would I even need it :P

[silver plover]

Start here, if you want; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_snowflake

[harsh anchor]

there are many things that don't seem to be useful at first, but may become useful later on

[wide wagon]

Seems useless at the moment considering I'll probably never use them in my life

[frosty oriole]

one might be surprised

[silver plover]

Actually, start here: https://python-with-science.readthedocs.io/en/latest/koch_fractal/koch_fractal.html

[wide wagon]

Got flashbanged and 1st thing i saw was geometry..

[harsh anchor]

why are you learning programming?

[silver plover]

The other reason to learn something is; it builds your experience and knowledge, which will help you with more advanced things

[wide wagon]

Mainly to be a bit better prepared for the next few years

[fiery yarrow]

from turtle import *
😔

[harsh anchor]

for...what?

[cerulean ravine]

what do you want to do with programming after that?

[wide wagon]

Highschool 😭

[silver plover]

That's how most turtle tutorials are.

[wide wagon]

Uni and get a job(disappointing i know)