python-discussion

[naive canopy]

lets say you generate energy by burning coal

or lets say or by solar power

[vague zephyr]

Hey Guys any reccomandation for Python Courses? I think the best way is to create through projects https://www.udemy.com/course/100-days-of-code/
Anyone knows this course and could say something about it

[visual juniper]

and you want to solve it by putting the data center in the space ?

[visual juniper]

!res here are the recommendations for where to learn python

[edgy kraken]

Resources

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[visual juniper]

automate the boring stuff with python in particular is a good free ebook

[naive canopy]

its not my idea

i do resist this idea myself

@steady rain i know you definitely have more knowledge than me so do you feel any approach which could improve data storage in like 10 years

i mean like the way of looking to the problem

[visual juniper]

biological data storage >

[steady rain]

I don't really know. the zeitgeist has been "storage is cheap, so just manufacture/buy more"

[wise yarrow]

something like this but rescaled?

[naive canopy]

true

[naive canopy]

man processing or you can say in simple words reading time is slow

[visual juniper]

using organic matter like DNA to store data

[naive canopy]

like some startup was working on storing data or encrypting in the form of dna sequences so yes like it has great potential in increasing storage size

but reading or compute is slower

[visual juniper]

its just a fart in the wind at this point tho , im not sure how promising it is in the next 10 years

[naive canopy]

yes

man no cap but i feel what would happen to quantum computing

i wanted to learn but like its too hectic i feel it looks interesting but a lot of consistency is required

[visual juniper]

i dont understand what quantum computing does rn to guess what it would do if it had more storage

but i have heard the bottle neck in quantum computing isnt data but making a big enough CPU with enough error corrected qbits

[naive canopy]

yes

actually yes

quantum error correction is the problem

[visual juniper]

anyways, im out

[naive canopy]

ok

[dusk oriole]

SAUL GOODMAN, i didnt know you code python

[silver plover]

'Improve' in what way?

[naive canopy]

man i am asking myself

[silver plover]

File formats like vortex are pretty cool advances in data organization, for instance

[charred siren]

idk anything about this but they're doing research with dna data storage

[lost lagoon]

I just created this out of nothing but when I put it to my code it's not doing it's job

scale = 1 +  (x-1) * (1.0 - abs(g/2 - 1)/(g/2)) 

[naive canopy]

man

[silver plover]

We've been promised holographic storage for decades

[naive canopy]

look research scope is infinite

[visual juniper]

what even is holographic storage 💀

[naive canopy]

idk

[lost lagoon]

on which contex

[visual juniper]

sounds like a pyramid scheme name for storage

[lost lagoon]

real lol

[charred siren]

wdym

[naive canopy]

nvm changing the topic of the convo

any project one can work on regarding mathematic or physics

[silver plover]

Neurram and some of the approximate cpu architecures are really interesting: where if you trade precision for approximate accuracy, you can 'unlock' different performance profiles

[visual juniper]

a scientific calculator

where you implement all the functionality yourself without using numpy or smth

[naive canopy]

you are right but i mean like which simplifies some specific hardship so it has more scope or reach

[mossy sigil]

@naive canopy how's it going homie

[naive canopy]

good man

[mossy sigil]

doing AOC?

[naive canopy]

did 1 day then had exams

[mossy sigil]

ahh

[visual juniper]

i dont know

is there some trouble you have in your day to day math / physics work where you think "this would be much easier if there was a computer program for it" ?

maybe some sort of visualizer 🤷

[naive canopy]

i have built a collatz based application

sorry i meant

collatz visualiser

but man i like want to offer a service

[spring minnow]

If you want to do a math-oriented project, Mandelbrot Set/Julia Set generation is always fun and gives you a cool end result.

[visual juniper]

most of the popular things and apps originate from a problem founder personally experienced and is trying to solve

[naive canopy]

look i want to make some type of service or application that actually helps people in some way but is very specific so that less people are there doing that stuff so that it has scope of growing

there should be scope

i want my time to be utilised in helping people or even offering some fun service

[waxen cave]

collatz conjecture is so peak

[visual juniper]

voulenteering is pretty helpful

[naive canopy]

man

its literally everywhere

[naive canopy]

any idea

like something which people suffer in mathematics or physics and its not yet been made easy]

and we can make it easier by offering a service

[young flare]

i was working on a library putting together a bunch of noise functions

[naive canopy]

look for example pandas was a great library then came polars faster more efficient more scalable
like we build a better solution than existing

[naive canopy]

ok

[visual juniper]

there isnt a good game engine for python , you can maybe look into that , will involve tons and tons of maths and physics

[naive canopy]

then ?

[young flare]

still working on it

[naive canopy]

game engine yea this involves first of all developing a physics engine lmao

[visual juniper]

like unity , but with python

[naive canopy]

i understand

[visual juniper]

but you dont like the idea ?

[naive canopy]

man but this is not a one man project

[visual juniper]

its not , but you can start and see where it goes

[naive canopy]

idea is good but i have lets say a month

[visual juniper]

why do you want to make something in a month that is never done before and will help a lot of people

[charred siren]

so like you want to build open source software?

[naive canopy]

ye

yes

[charred siren]

you mentioned the word "service" like 4 times tho which i thought was funny

[visual juniper]

xd

try to contribute to existing open source projects

[stray field]

I brought massive improvements to my app by switching from dataframes to SQL

[charred siren]

for hobby projects, nobody woke up one day and decided to make these tools, they make it usually because they need a tool to solve some personal hardship

[stray field]

the SQL also included materialized views, so I also kind of cheated by caching

[naive canopy]

man actually i am myself troubled a lot
my main motivation came from dwsim which is a open source simulation software
now i am learning pyqt so like i am planning to build something not that rigid but helpful

[visual juniper]

personal being the important word 😂

[charred siren]

yea and they get nailed to the metaphorical cross by the people that enjoy their work enough

oss core dev crisis is a phenomenon and it's always so explosive

[naive canopy]

what

[neat pawn]

Why is my selenium headless mode opening browser ?

Is it normal ?

[charred siren]

?

[naive canopy]

idk

[visual juniper]

dont think so
headless means without the UI window

[neat pawn]

My thing is opening it

[tribal sierra]

hi

[cerulean ravine]

the most successful projects are created by people who need to solve a problem they are facing themselves. Often called "scratching an itch"

[naive canopy]

Sir you are right

absolutely

[charred siren]

nedbat dropping wisdom 🗣️ 🔥

[visual juniper]

maybe show code

[naive canopy]

no cap

[neat pawn]

    options.headless = True

    driver = None
    try:
        driver = webdriver.Firefox(options=options)```

[tribal sierra]

i read the rules

anything else i should know?

[neat pawn]

from selenium.webdriver.common.by import By
from dotenv import dotenv_values
from selenium.webdriver.firefox.options import Options```

[edgy kraken]

Hey @neat pawn!

Please edit your message to use a code block

Add a py after the three backticks.

```py
print('Hello, world!')
```

This will result in the following:

print('Hello, world!')```

[neat pawn]

@visual juniper Do you see ?

[naive canopy]

#Use this

[tribal sierra]

better call saul

[naive canopy]

better call saul

[visual juniper]

yeah but i dont see why it wont work 💀
thihs looks partial can you show the whole thing ?

in a help thread ofc

[neat pawn]

Thats the entire code

[naive canopy]

Man what if we build a wiki or fandom based site ?

good idea ??

[pastel sluice]

None of the issues I have ever seen with such sites have been technological, though

[visual juniper]

options.add_argument("--headless") try doing this instead ?
https://www.selenium.dev/blog/2023/headless-is-going-away/

[pastel sluice]

they have always been about curation - audience, participants, and content - and that's a community-building problem and not a tech problem

[visual juniper]

crypto scam , nice

[naive canopy]

ik

great images are not visible

[charred siren]

are these people whose accounts have been compromised?

[unborn lagoon]

<@&831776746206265384>

[naive canopy]

yes i feel now yes

surely compromised

[charred siren]

or just bots planted ages ago lol who knows

[visual juniper]

💀
raid is approaching

[neat pawn]

that works, thanks

[unborn lagoon]

Usually. Though I remember one particular case where it was intentional.

[swift sparrow]

!compban 198596235395858432

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @lapis marsh until <t:1765553414:f> (4 days).

[naive canopy]

no

dont say that typa shit man

[swift sparrow]

!compban 1290814900859572339

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @granite bramble until <t:1765553432:f> (4 days).

[naive canopy]

sir we have safety right

[charred siren]

it's like the person who had the access tokens decided to run the script just now 😭

2 at once is so funny

[visual juniper]

wont they expire after so long

[sand hornet]

Guess I'll go get on Destiny 2 then /jk

[charred siren]

wdym

[hasty island]

I don't think tokens rotate as long as that session is valid

[frozen narwhal]

I made a ransom ware BUT FOR MYSELF ONLY NO ONE else, also it just shutdowns ur pc but in a like idk how do I explain

[harsh swallow]

Ask discord, from what I saw online (discussion about hacked accounts and what to do) they do the tokens in some shitty way that the refresh token is always alive

[sand hornet]

This is true

And I told them about this in 2019, explicitly defining the issue before it was a big big issue

[harsh swallow]

That's not ransomware, turning off the computer is just a basic random prank

[frozen narwhal]

yeah it's like a prank

[sand hornet]

trollware

[frozen narwhal]

I called it ransomware bcs I put the troll massege as "deleting system 32"

lol

[sand hornet]

Just encrypt all user data and offer to decrypt it at a price tag, then it's ransomware

[harsh swallow]

I remember at some workshop during science camp we decided to do the last man standing game and we were shutting off other people's computer via ssh

[sand hornet]

Otherwise best I've got is adware/malware/trollware

[frozen narwhal]

that's illegal if I did it to another person :/

[harsh swallow]

Yeah, the name is because you ask for ransom.

[charred siren]

yea i was just looking in my discord settings, and i couldn't find an option to deactivate all my sessions/log out everywhere (unless i'm missing something)

[sand hornet]

[frozen narwhal]

oh what's adware I never heard of it?

[frozen narwhal]

deactivate

[harsh swallow]

You can change your password to do that.

• there should be option somewhere to see active sessions and log out of them... But better to change password as you don't know if they stole only one session or found your pass

[charred siren]

?

[frozen narwhal]

add authentication I guess

[sand hornet]

usually just spams ads, it's like installing 30 toolbars for random search engines you've never heard of to your browser. Or like Clippy is technically adware but bro can be converted to malware and spyware pretty easily

[frozen narwhal]

if ur trying to like log out or anything deactivate it if ur tokens are stolen

[harsh swallow]

Shit that displays ads. Like fake browser add ons that change your home page or add toolbars that will show you lots of ads

[frozen narwhal]

god damn I should do that on myself

so it's like trying to watch a 1 hour video on yt and it shows adds every 15 mins

[sand hornet]

I hate to have to tell you, but last I remember disabling 2FA and then re-enabling it used to be the only way to do that. Let me see if Discord has something newer posted about that

[frozen narwhal]

also do NOT add authentication to ur main email bcs u wont be able to log in if ur out of it

[charred siren]

i mean if my account was ever compromised i would change my password and 2fa, it's no biggie. i just wish they had like a common feature to just log out of all sessions

[frozen narwhal]

or if ur phone breaks and it needs repair so..

[charred siren]

but like the only way your account gets compromised is if u install and run some sketchy app lol

[vestal reef]

[sand hornet]

Under Settings > Devices now (used to be Settings > Sessions before that apparently)

[frozen narwhal]

oh I can do It without scripting?

[charred siren]

there are ways around this

[frozen narwhal]

yes but it'll take a while

[charred siren]

?

[sand hornet]

As a user, no, you don't need to.

[charred siren]

idk what this means

[frozen narwhal]

oh alr thanks now I can make excuses that an ad popped up if I lost in a game

[frozen narwhal]

no like if ur phone breaks u can't do authentication, bcs it's only for mobile not pc

[sand hornet]

[frozen narwhal]

no one gets it :/.

[charred siren]

i'm sorry to break it to you...

but 2fa codes are not a strictly mobile device procedure

[sand hornet]

all of my 2fa syncs with my MacBook, idk what to tell you (I also use PassKeys, highly recommend)

Finished my half a cup of half caf, and now I just wanna be able to focus 🙁

[honest bay]

Can anyone find debugpy.2023.XXX vsix file for me?
I've searched all over the internet but can't find it

[frozen narwhal]

so I can use it on pc??

I couldn't find one wdym?

[sand hornet]

vsix

Also, search term python vsix 2023 did prove to get some results

[dry garden]

I ve been debugging for 3 hours and I got absolutely no where, my mind is burning rn

[charred siren]

...

lol

[wheat remnant]

i love python

[cyan wolf]

What are yu debugging

[cyan wolf]

Why

[wheat remnant]

do you not

[cyan wolf]

not sure

[north pilot]

Anyone know anything about Telnet communication?

im making a honeypot for Telnet scanners but ive come into a problem where they disconnect before they bruteforce my login page

if this is against TOS in anyway please lmk and ill delete my msg asap

[inland karma]

i have done that in the past, but it is for sure not something we will discuss here, it is information someone with mallisious intent can take and missuse

[north pilot]

understood

[cyan wolf]

Is telnet still used or attacked

[frosty oriole]

telnet in the big 25

[dull dune]

you're seeing port scans, they're just trying to find available/open services

[acoustic tartan]

So i know how to do OOP in python but when/why would you?

[dull dune]

when it makes sense

for example: when you have several pieces of related data and some functionality taht specifically applies to that data

[ancient sequoia]

we need college courses on sense-making

[dull dune]

I would argue that building software is an exercise in making a tiny sliver of the world make sense

[ancient sequoia]

and it's so subtle

[ashen cipher]

twenny five

[dull dune]

but: there's a tendency to over-apply OOP, so try to consciously question it everytime you go to write a class. it's a good tool, ti's widely useful, but not everything should be a class/object

oh, and also prefer composition over inheritance

[north pilot]

eehh sort of im in communities that do such scanning but they mostly do ssh or exploits

[ancient sequoia]

@acoustic tartan as @dull dune said, if you can observe a common pattern (stable over multiple uses) it's worth trying to make it an interface and then each use becomes a class implementing it with its own specificity

[dull dune]

^ I think that's a bit too broad, and could also apply to a function

you see repetition, the question is what's the right way to abstract it

[ashen cipher]

oopsed the oop

[dull dune]

"I often want to hit this API endpoint to get data for a list of products", cool, that sounds like a function.

"I often want to hit this API to get data for a list of products, but the API requires that I first hit an auth endpoint to get a token, and then send that token wtih each subsequent erquest" could be a good use for a class, as it has tightly-coupled data (the token and wether or not you've authenticated already) and functionality tightly coupled to that data (you ahve to send the token wtih each request, and autehnticate if you haven't already)

now, you could also solve that with just a function!

but that's the joy of building software: the interesting problems don't have one clear answer

[acoustic tartan]

Ok ok i definitely get it better

Not fully but i think ill fuck around with it a bit and see whats up

Thank you very much🙏

[dull dune]

yeah, it's an experience thing. keep at it, the choice will become clearer over time

[acoustic tartan]

Awesome thanks again!

[sand jewel]

Does anyone has SMPS 😭 i need it

[cyan wolf]

Are you building pc

[pastel sluice]

what is "SMPS"?

[sand jewel]

Yes

[cyan wolf]

Ac to dc

Converter power supply

[sand jewel]

I am building pc i don't have SMPS

[pastel sluice]

!offtopic you might want to ask in a more relevant forum.

[edgy kraken]

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[viscid hinge]

morning coders

[cyan wolf]

Going to sleep coders

[sand jewel]

It's night in my country

[dusty mountain]

Helloo

[sand jewel]

Hola

[viscid hinge]

monday night?

[sand jewel]

Yes

[viscid hinge]

games night nice

[sand jewel]

What?

[iron vector]

Hi everyone 🙂

[sand jewel]

Hello bro do you have SMPS

[iron vector]

SMPS?

[sand jewel]

Yes

[edgy fractal]

what is an easy to use drawing library for python?
i have heard of pygame and raylib but have no experience with either of them

[sand jewel]

I ineed

[frosty oriole]

pygame makes it pretty easy

[iron vector]

Isn't there one called turtle or smthn

[frosty oriole]

that too

[sand jewel]

pygame

[iron vector]

I do not unfortunately

[sand jewel]

😭😭

[pastel sluice]

there's different kinds of "drawing". if you're looking for something to do graphs and charts, for instance, other better options exist. what kind of "drawing"?

[viscid hinge]

monday night, is games night

[cyan wolf]

Video games?

[viscid hinge]

yeah

[edgy fractal]

drawings consist of simple shapes (i want to make some basic educational tools for famous data structures such as trees or linked lists)

[cyan wolf]

Turtle

[pastel sluice]

you might want to look into the Pillow library

[cyan wolf]

Isn't pillow for image processing

Does it allow drawing

[pastel sluice]

that's one of its functions. it can also draw basic shapes

[cyan wolf]

Oo

[pastel sluice]

also:

https://pypi.org/project/diagrams/

and:
https://pypi.org/project/drawpyo/

general discussion of how to draw things like flowcharts:
https://python.plainenglish.io/4-powerful-python-libraries-to-create-block-diagrams-and-flowcharts-easily-f53d26f6eda4

[edgy fractal]

i want it to be intaractive too
like you press a button and a new node get added to tree

[pastel sluice]

ok, that's much more complicated.

[inland karma]

sounds like something you would have to make yourself

[edgy fractal]

but which one of these libraries you guys mentioned can help me with that?
pygame i assume?

[pastel sluice]

something like pygame would be a must for interactivity

[edgy fractal]

what about turtle ?

[viscid hinge]

what about turtle head

[pastel sluice]

I don't think turtle would give you the interactivity you want

[cyan wolf]

Some css and js can easily do this

[charred siren]

i didn't know turtle could actually accept input but it doesn't seem very expansive lol

[cyan wolf]

But since you asked python

[viscid hinge]

what are you trying to do? make a game?

[cyan wolf]

Pygame i think

[cyan wolf]

How, does it have forms

[charred siren]

i mean it can capture keyboard and mouse events

which is probably all you need tbf, so my remark about it being limited is probably wrong

[viscid hinge]

look at godot

[charred siren]

godot for building a gui?

miiight be a little overkill

[edgy fractal]

speaking of all of these game engines
how about raylib ? i have heard its super easy to learn

[gleaming knoll]

raylib is good for drawing simple shapes yes, literally has DrawRectangle DrawCircle etc
though if you want to do something more involved it is basically opengl

[viscid hinge]

probably. i just love godot

[eager smelt]

+1 for this great package

[cyan wolf]

If you make a game in godot can you build it for the browser
I saw this somewhere

[viscid hinge]

yup

you can easily export and host on websites like itch

i acutally started learing gdscript first, then python after

[eager smelt]

apparently it's experimental in v4?

oh, v3 also supports exporting to HTML5

idk what the difference is though

[grizzled stratus]

I've been seeing more and more people talking about picking up Godot, honestly...

[viscid hinge]

whats experimental?

[viscid hinge]

Its so so awesome

i have made lots of cool things with it

its so addictive.

[grizzled stratus]

It'd be nice to check it out. I've been working pretty much exclusively in data, so if it isn't a spreadsheet or a database, I basically haven't touched it yet.

[eager smelt]

Web browsers as a supported platform for Godot

[grizzled stratus]

But building an actual thing that people can interact with sounds like a lot of fun.

[viscid hinge]

i know its very easy to upload a game to itch, not sure how hard it would be to put it on your own website without iframe

[viscid hinge]

it is, i have made lots of little android apps, and computer games.

[rigid sapphire]

How is this Godot related to python

[daring surge]

Thoughts on the glassworm attack?

[viscid hinge]

similar syntax lol thats about it

[eager smelt]

it's what their docs say ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite tree]

what now?

[rigid sapphire]

Not sure if I agree

Similar yeah

[charred siren]

with wasm?

[rigid sapphire]

Maybe

[viscid hinge]

from the docs
GDScript is a high-level, object-oriented, imperative, and gradually typed programming language built for Godot. It uses an indentation-based syntax similar to languages like Python. Its goal is to be optimized for and tightly integrated with Godot Engine, allowing great flexibility for content creation and integration.

[rigid sapphire]

It's still not python

[grizzled stratus]

I dunno man. There are some similarities with Python just based on what looks like semantic whitespace, but some of the function declarations and declaring variables with the var keyword almost makes it look like Python and JavaScript had a lovechild.

[finite tree]

That's like saying haskell is like python because it also uses indentation

[daring surge]

If you are asking what's that, it's a malware using some private use area Unicode to hide the malicious code and it infected some extensions

[viscid hinge]

you asked how its related. i said it has a similar syntax.... i didnbt say its like python

[finite tree]

Is it fixed?

[grizzled stratus]

Fair.

[daring surge]

I am not sure about that probably not

[finite tree]

Oh looked it up i know what this is

[rigid sapphire]

Asm also uses indentation for labels

So should we start discussing registers here

[finite tree]

it's really not that deep, just setup your editor to show invisible characters

[dusty mountain]

thats convention not a syntatic rule iirc?

[rigid sapphire]

Idk nasm won't compile it otherwise
What compiler are you using?

[charred siren]

you don't need to enforce python only discussion, we can talk about tangential things and try to learn off each other :)

[daring surge]

It is that deep bcz no editor showed the code because it's some type of uni code that editors can't read

[rugged star]

As long as it doesnt wander of to much

[rigid sapphire]

I thought this was #python-discussion
Why not use relevant channel for #game-development

[finite tree]

no, because it's characters that hide other characters. its an editor setting to show whitespace

[charred siren]

be the joybait you want to see in the world guys

[rigid sapphire]

I was here to see comprehensions

[mossy sigil]

Thanks for wise advice

[rigid sapphire]

And I see ppl yap about Godot

+W+

[daring surge]

I don't know about how does that even work all I know it's just some special unicode that made the whole suspicious code into this ' ' and it infected some Vs code extensions

I have no idea how either

[viscid hinge]

yap yap

[finite tree]

there are unicode characters that are abused to hide text. by displaying the characters it removes the effect and you can see the text insid

very simple setting in all editors

just display whitespace

github has it on by default nowadays iirc

[charred siren]

i logged on today morning and i saw people talking about quantum computing and data storage methods in #python-discussion. it did not impact my day enough to comment on it

[rigid sapphire]

            +    +
                !
               W
\+-----/.    \----+/

[finite tree]

!offtopic stop arguing about what goes and doesnt go here

[edgy kraken]

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[viscid hinge]

whats a good use case for t-strings?

[finite tree]

text sanitation

[rigid sapphire]

Do not underestimate the predictability of stupidity

[daring surge]

https://fluidattacks.com/blog/glassworm-vs-code-extensions-supply-chain-attack

[daring surge]

I don't have the knowledge to say whether Ur correct or wrong

[finite tree]

zero width spaces

[viscid hinge]

like checking the user input and cleanign it before using it?

[charred siren]

i had to look this up, t-strings are in python??? eeeee i love this

[daring surge]

But just read that blog maybe you'll be able to get something I couldn't explain

[finite tree]

that is the entire designed use case

you can have functions to sanitise the user input before turning the tstring into an sql request

[charred siren]

this is probably the least advisable use case for t-strings

you should stick to the safety provided by whatever sql library you're using

[grizzled stratus]

If you're looking to sanitize user input, libraries have their own functionality for that.

[grizzled stratus]

This, exactly.

[finite tree]

newer libraries sanitise t strings as it saves work on there half

[charred siren]

you're saving work for .. who?

[finite tree]

from pep750:

As a result, incautious use of f-strings can lead to security vulnerabilities. For example, a user executing a SQL query with sqlite3 may be tempted to use an f-string to embed values into their SQL expression, which could lead to a SQL injection attack. Or, a developer building HTML may include unescaped user input in the string, leading to a cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability.

they're designed to make it easier to sanitise user inputs as the stuff you want to insert into the template can be sanitised seperately then turned into a string

[silver plover]

In this specific case, I'd still stick with sql parameters... but there are some cases where t strings could fill a gap where we need interpolation but parameters won't work.

[fair anchor]

xkcd 327

[charred siren]

i didn't read the pep itself but i based my opinion on this https://realpython.com/python-t-strings/#sanitizing-sql-queries

reinventing a pretty nice wheel

[viscid hinge]

i listened to a podcasst on them

[charred siren]

👀

python podcast? please share

[viscid hinge]

its called talk python to me, lots of episodes

but there are a lot of python podcsats... The real python podcast is another good one

[charred siren]

huh

been a while since i even thought about podcasts tbf

esp after i got rid of spotify

thanks will look into it

[viscid hinge]

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PODCAST ADDICT APP

sorry caps

[charred siren]

why are you yelling at me 😟

lol

[frozen narwhal]

WHAT

MY RANSOMWARE WAS GONNA DELETE MY SYSTEM 32

WHAT DID I SCRIPT GNG

and it told me "this file is dangerous"

wait.

[bright shoal]

[frozen narwhal]

I was dumb enough to put "deleting system 32" 🥀✌️

[hasty island]

and that kids, is why you should not try run malware outside a sandbox

[frozen narwhal]

real

dw I fixed it

it just shutdowns it now

spooky way tho

[charred siren]

0.2/10 bait

[frozen narwhal]

no

[nocturne bluff]

why does this return this

[viscid hinge]

my pc is my sandbox

fast and loose

[nocturne bluff]

#1447646717737701489

[frozen narwhal]

no

[nocturne bluff]

anyone can help really quickly

[frozen narwhal]

what's the issue

idk if I can help but lemme see

[nocturne bluff]

idk check the thread

[sand jewel]

I like python but I hate python

[grizzled stratus]

I think that's a normal response to any programming language, tbh.

[sand jewel]

Ahh I mean I hate the python snake it's scary 😥

[charred siren]

the urge to pull my hair out when i encounter cyclic imports

[sand jewel]

But I like the python language

[visual juniper]

do it
thats how they go bald

[sand jewel]

My hairs are fine

[grizzled stratus]

I haven't dealt too much with cyclical imports, admittedly.

The times I've done it, I've just moved the import itself to the function where I need it and that's seemed to get around most of it.

[cerulean ravine]

import the module instead of the items in the module

[sand jewel]

Ayein

[nocturne bluff]

why does wmic need to be installed now in win11

what tf is this

[charred siren]

not a bad solution but it bothers me regardless

[cerulean ravine]

have you tried importing the module instead of the contents of the module?

[charred siren]

i googled it and it's apparently deprecated in favour of native powershell features

[delicate solar]

Anyone able to quickly alpha test my VCS POC i made in a day?

i need someone good at breaking things

[grizzled stratus]

Oh I hate it, are you kidding? It's ugly as hell. :P

[grizzled stratus]

Didn't know that was a solution until you mentioned it, to be fair.

[cerulean ravine]

https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202405/one_way_to_fix_python_circular_imports.html

[sand jewel]

Dm her she broke my heart 😢

[delicate solar]

😭 me too brother. just yesterday even

[grizzled stratus]

Much appreciated, Ned, thanks!

So the long and short of it is that we're allowing one thing to get fully loaded before we try to access. Therefore we get both modules and names, yeah?

Or rather we get the names within the module.

[sand jewel]

😭😭

[soft coral]

That's pretty cool didn't know that. But it's more like a trick. Might as well have done from two import func_two inside the function then right?

[sand jewel]

Us movement

[soft coral]

Just postponing importing the actual function until it's used

[crystal carbon]

hello guys

i wonder how python makes money

any ideas?

[visual juniper]

sponsers

[cerulean ravine]

i wouldn't call it a trick: it's kind of the same as importing int he function: you're postponing accessing the name until later.

[crystal carbon]

👍

[soft coral]

Yeah alright makes sense. Cool nontheless

[sand jewel]

Master any specific field

[grizzled stratus]

Yeah. It makes sense because then you're making sure dependencies are resolved before proceeding.

[grizzled stratus]

Python as in the....software foundation?

[crystal carbon]

yes

[grizzled stratus]

I think they get sponsored by corporations and then also donations.

Grants, etc.

[buoyant jay]

i did't even think about it

[acoustic spear]

yoooooo

[buoyant jay]

i will gbt it

[crystal carbon]

when i hack peoples money accounts using python, i will donate money to python as a thank oyu

[charred siren]

also a viable solution that bothers me. nowdays if i'm starting a new project, i've learned to structure it differently by prioritizing modules over classes to avoid the crazy coupling and circular deps that are so prevalent with forced oop

[sand jewel]

How's your exam going?

[cerulean ravine]

that is the best thing to do, just harder after the project has a lot of stuff

[buoyant jay]

😂

[buoyant jay]

not bad actully thanx for asking

[grizzled stratus]

Yeah I was gonna say it would be easiest to enforce that sort of convention at the beginning of a project rather than if you've got to refactor.

[charred siren]

yea i have to resist the compulsion to immediately refactor when i notice a structural issue lol

[sand jewel]

And police crying in corner to see that

[crystal carbon]

bro chill

i wont get caught

[hard sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-take-this-no-more-i-can't-do-this-shit-no-more-i-just-can't-do-it-wingsofredemption-gif-10533769048112567799

[sand jewel]

What is this ?

[acoustic spear]

a gif.

[sand jewel]

It's showing a web link

On my phone

[acoustic spear]

yea

[buoyant jay]

even on my laptop

[acoustic spear]

its cuz u cant send photo in here

and a gif counts as photo it think

[buoyant jay]

oooo i see

[sand jewel]

But if gif can ?

[acoustic spear]

no

[visual juniper]

only text and emojis can be sent by peasents

[acoustic spear]

😭

[sand jewel]

Understood

[viscid hinge]

snake charmer

[sand jewel]

I am going to build a pc🥶

[viscid hinge]

nice, its like lego but even easier

[visual juniper]

more expensive

[viscid hinge]

and you can sweat on legos

not good to sweat on ram

[sand jewel]

Nah i already have all things but don't SMPS

Good night everybody 😪😪

[hybrid elbow]

Hello everyone 🤗👋

I am new here

[harsh swallow]

Depends on the lego set... But usually the expensive ones get more pieces, so yeah, pc wins the price-per-piece category

[hybrid nebula]

step 1. buy 100 million discrete mosfets

[runic flower]

you don't know lego. 🙂

[hybrid nebula]

how does ctypes deal with struct return types?

[charred siren]

iirc it just doesn't lol

[fresh heath]

I am a full-stack developer.

[charred siren]

i saw a yt video about the cost of lego (might have been business insider) but the price per piece has been fairly consistent for larger sets, esp over the years (around $.09 - $.12)

[brisk gazelle]

What's a plauncher?

[robust ledge]

Obfustacted code and likely a token grabber.

[brisk gazelle]

Scandalous.

[harsh swallow]

Lib with one release, released as 1.6.3 only 4 days ago, by a new user... And by the description - doesn't do anything the person above claims
<@&831776746206265384> "ad" for a potentially malicious lib

[brisk gazelle]

Oh, right.

[bright shoal]

nice try

[robust ledge]

I can't verifiy and report it to pypi at the moment.

[bright shoal]

    author="MikeFrone",
    author_email="[e-mail]",

always a good sign

[gaunt badge]

!cban 145919785211920384 distributing malware

[robust ledge]

Pure cinema

[gaunt badge]

oh, right

[jagged belfry]

!purgeban 145919785211920384 malware

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @open cargo permanently.

[brisk gazelle]

But who was Frone?

[gaunt badge]

Petition to bring back !cban

[jagged belfry]

Someone logged into pypi to report the project?

[visual juniper]

he need to do the mod tutorial

[bright shoal]

real. it is the same adversary I've been dunking on for the last few weeks

[bright shoal]

I gotchu twin

[jagged belfry]

It really wasn't subtle tbh

[bright shoal]

yeah it isn't, hit our heuristics 🥀

last time the threat actor was active they were dropping something called "Honey Stealer"

[brisk gazelle]

What a bother.

[robust ledge]

Poor poohbear

[bright shoal]

🗿

[fervent matrix]

Was it aliased to something else now?

[harsh swallow]

Clban

Because someone confused compban with cban

[gaunt badge]

Yes, it's !clban now, apparently people confused it with !compban

[robust ledge]

when non staff know the commands faster than staff

[fervent matrix]

And now people confuse it with the other one 🥴

[harsh swallow]

Time to learn to use pban. Purge

[robust ledge]

mmm, peanutbutter ban

[fervent matrix]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**Do you have any plans for future projects?**

Suggest more topics here!

[harsh anchor]

perforce is terrible

[fervent matrix]

I need to learn Java.... That's the whole thing

[frail stirrup]

a to do lsit obviously cause why wont i be doing that

i just am trying to crawl out of tutorial hell

but i cant really learn by errors if i dont know how to make the errors to begin with

[harsh anchor]

what have you made so far?

[charred tusk]

THIS IS NOT A TEST

[worn moth]

what's the purpose? just curious

[robust ledge]

I've got that cli for the writing progress tracking app I use that I need to write for November ~~'25. ~~ '26.

[fervent matrix]

University, so... Now I gotta mess with it.

[frail stirrup]

U can see my GitHub

[harsh anchor]

Java is great

[frail stirrup]

I made some others I just put what I liked most

[worn moth]

same shit but i'm already expirienced with python so it wasn't that difficult

[fervent matrix]

I also got some exp in python, I just need to put in the time and I know I'll manage it pretty easily, going to be interesting

[radiant granite]

Hi guys

[fervent matrix]

👋 .

[hybrid nebula]

...this gets weird fast

[charred siren]

what did you find

[hybrid nebula]

if I return a struct { char[9] } I see the first four bytes returned as an integer
if I return a struct { char[4096] } I see a segfault

[charred siren]

hsaha

[hybrid nebula]

I see a segfault for length 17 and above

[radiant granite]

How do I get python libraries installed

[hybrid nebula]

for what purpose?

[viscid hinge]

very noob question here. If i made a program with tkinter and had other mnodules imported. how does the computer that runs the program install the modules?

[charred siren]

something to do with size of pyobject *?

[hybrid nebula]

definitely not

register size though...

[charred siren]

not my expertise, any of this

[dry garden]

I wonder too

I really wanna get into low level

[desert stump]

i have a computer science mock exam tmr for gcse and all i know is the print cmd i need to learn these topics, 6.1 Develop Code
6.1.3 Be able to convert algorithms (flowcharts) into programs

6.2 Constructs
Understand and use programming constructs such as sequence, selection (if/else), and iteration (loops)

6.3 Data Types and Structures
Use and understand different data types (e.g., integer, string, boolean)

Work with data structures including 2D lists/arrays

6.4 Input/Output
Handle user input and display output

Read from and write to external files

6.5 Operators
Use arithmetic, relational, and logical operators

Understand and apply the MODULUS operator (e.g., x % y)

6.6 Subprograms
Create and use functions or procedures to structure code

Understand parameters, return values, and scope

what do i do gng

[charred siren]

accept that ur just cooked

[harsh anchor]

lock in

[desert stump]

im set 1 maths and triple science so im a quick learner if that helps🥀

[charred siren]

cooked 😃 👍

[dry garden]

That's all easy stuff

[desert stump]

i couldnt find a single good video online

on how to code

[desert stump]

how do i do it

[dry garden]

Read docs

[desert stump]

from where

[charred siren]

programming is famously the one thing that makes or breaks comp sci students. its definitely not easy stuff

[dry garden]

There is the Mozilla docs, or the python docs you ll find all that

[silver plover]

It is? I thought it was calc 1 or linear algebra:)

[naive ermine]

Is this part of a course? What materials did the teacher provide and cover?

[fair anchor]

I mean, if it's just a mock exam you could procrastinate learning all that. It's a future-you problem.

[harsh anchor]

is it though? programming is much easier than most analysis and theory courses

[desert stump]

its whats going to be on my exam, thats all the info/help he gave us along with the slides we learn in class which i didnt learn anything from

[hybrid nebula]

wow the assembly looks totally different
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/GZUQ

[dry garden]

I m not a cs student but I code solo and use these stuff in my projects

[charred siren]

idk it might just be purely anecdotal but comp sci grads who are terrified of touching code or they swap degrees bc they cannot understand programming is a trend. or maybe its an indication that they never really understood any of it

[dry garden]

I also dont get why become a cs student if you are not into programming

[charred siren]

money and parents

[harsh anchor]

as many as 1/3 of cs students have not learned programming before starting

[silver plover]

How many 17 year olds have any idea what major/degree they'll really be 'into'?

[desert stump]

cs used to be my fav subject😐

[hybrid nebula]

ah yes, the 'cs means free money' sticking around from, what, pre-dotcom?

[desert stump]

yeah we only did theory

[harsh anchor]

from just a few years ago

[granite wyvern]

!res

If it's tomorrow, you can't learn this in time.
If it's a mock exam (real exam, but not counting towards you assessment), this is a chance to see what you don't yet know.
If the course is Python based, do a Python tutorial or so, see the resources page.

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[dry garden]

Good point, I d personally research at least before getting in dept for a college I will attend

[fair anchor]

do you know things like Object-Oriented Programming and whatnot?

[granite wyvern]

17? I enrolled in my Uni course at 17, turned 18 early in the first year.

[desert stump]

Its a mock exam that counts towards if im going to get into sixth form or not bc i need to get a grade 6 in it

[desert stump]

no clue what that is

[frosty oriole]

same

[granite wyvern]

I don't know what a "grade 6" is. Is that a high grade or a lower-but-passing grade?

[silver plover]

Yah, exactly my point: how are you possibly expected to know what career you want without some experience doing it? And, couple that with the fact that HS is very different than Uni which is very different from Jobs

[desert stump]

their are 9 grades in gcse, 1-3 is a fail and 4 onwards is a pass

[granite wyvern]

Except that I went into exactly the course I hoped for. And stayed there, happy.

OTOH, I've a friend who once remarked that he and I are the only 2 people he knows who ended up in their dream work. I'm a software dev and/or sysadmin. And he's a mechanic.

[silver plover]

Yah, I think it's very hit or miss. I started as a EE and was miserable

[desert stump]

bro this resource page is confusing which option do i click, also by python tutorial do you mean like a video or a quiz because i couldnt find a good video online

i have an engineering mock aswell im so finished💔

[dry garden]

I d recommend a channel called traversy media if you wanna dive into some concepts, you can also grab an hour javascript crash course to grasp some concepts (oop and arrays etc)

[desert stump]

alright lemme check it out rq

[golden mortar]

These are all introductory Python courses for beginners:
Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

[hybrid nebula]

I can't read assembly. I can read LLVM IR though.
Apparently a 16-byte struct gets returned as { i64, i64 } but a 17-byte struct-returning function now takes a return pointer

[granite wyvern]

Yeah, I've been lucky. And quotas don't help.

[bitter ermine]

@desert stump if you have your mock tomorrow and you genuinely don't know the content then you're cooked. Have you dedicated time to learning outside the class if the teacher isn't great?

[desert stump]

Alright thank you let me look at them

[hybrid nebula]

I wonder where that is specified

[granite wyvern]

Tick the "beginner" selection on the left. I hate videos myself, but do what works best for you. Lot of people like them.

[desert stump]

I tried revising before by myself when i couldnt learn from my teacher but i ran into a similiar problem online where the videos online didnt help me much and if they did id just forget it the next day, i didnt continue to try study for it because i had several other subjects i needed to focus on and just figured id learn cs later on when i actually needed it (which as you can see rn isnt a very good idea)

[dry garden]

Wishing you all the good luck man

[granite wyvern]

With programming it's extremely important to write some code yourself. The most important thing in programming is converting problems into programmes to solve them. That is a skill you will need. All the other stuff (lopps, variables, parameters) are just mechanics.

[desert stump]

Thank you, much appreciated

[desert stump]

Ah i see that makes sense, so i should focus on converting the question into a programme first then use the mechanics to help me answer it?

[granite wyvern]

Well you're going to need to learn some of the mechanics - a programme's a mechanical thing. But the basics loops and variables and if-statements, then functions etc etc will get you going. Courses/tutorials are all structured to start with the basics first.

[subtle needle]

hey

can you help me?

[desert stump]

Alright thank you ill keep that in mind when preparing/studying for my actual exam later in the year

[granite wyvern]

This forum is about trying to help people.

[desert stump]

for now ill try learn all i can but i think im cooked

[silver plover]

It's just a mock, why cooked?

[subtle needle]

I have two files, one .bin and the other .json, on my PC. I need to move them into the Free Fire application, to a specific folder, but I can't restart my phone. Does anyone know if it's possible to move these two files into Free Fire bypassing the sandbox block or using a script? Please help me.

[granite wyvern]

For tomorrow, you're cooked. Unless you already know more that it seems to us. But treat it as an exercise, and just do as well as you can.

Also, writing an informal English language solution to a problem is a first step, so using that, even as a preamble to some solution, ought to be good for some credit.

[subtle needle]

please

[silver plover]

What's free fire?

[granite wyvern]

I don't know enough for this.

[subtle needle]

game

[desert stump]

Because i need the grade i get from it to get into sixth form which is a course/school after high school and before university

[silver plover]

Does this have anything to do with Python?

[granite wyvern]

Ah. For me, "sixth form" was just year 6, the last year of high school.

[subtle needle]

I don’t know

[silver plover]

Well, the trick to learning is: pick one thing at a time and learn it. Don't obsess over how much you don't know. Want to talk about modulus?

[desert stump]

i see, which country are you from?

[subtle needle]

I need so much help

I pay money

[granite wyvern]

!rule paid

[edgy kraken]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[silver plover]

This has nothing to do with this channel, and we don't allow offers of payment. Take this to a more appropriate server

[naive ermine]

Also we don't allow discussions of hacks / bypasses which it seems you want to do @subtle needle

[desert stump]

I have no time unfortunately ill just try learn the basics from a video or smth and then revise engineering afterwards 😭

[desert stump]

damn exposed lol

[silver plover]

You have a channel full of software experts here.

[solar tapir]

what server would be more appropriate for sum like that?

need invite link

[desert stump]

gulp

uh okay what command do i learn after the print command

[granite wyvern]

... and also enthusiastic amateurs.

[silver plover]

And enthusiasts

[desert stump]

int(input("Something")

[silver plover]

Match your parens first

[granite wyvern]

That's nearly legal. Got a question?

[solar tapir]

what even is free fire dm me

[viscid hinge]

FOR LOOP

[desert stump]

fruits = ("Banana, Strawberry")

for x fruits:

[worn moth]

fruits = ("Banana", "Strawberry")

[subtle needle]

ok!

[runic flower]

I did some google searches, and it looks like it is not a python project, so you might not find much help here in the channel for discussing python.
it looks like there are discord servers for freefire so you might get better help in one of their rooms.

[viscid hinge]

are you watching "intermadiate Python Programminf Course" by freeCodeCamp?

[desert stump]

im watching Python Tutorial for Beginners 2: Strings - Working with Textual Data
by corey schafer

[subtle needle]

I have absolutely no idea where to ask for help.

[edgy kraken]

The for-else block

In Python it's possible to attach an else clause to a for loop. The code under the else block will be run when the iterable is exhausted (there are no more items to iterate over). Code within the else block will not run if the loop is broken out using break.

Here's an example of its usage:

numbers = [1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11]

for number in numbers:
    if number % 2 == 0:
        print(f"Found an even number: {number}")
        break
    print(f"{number} is odd.")
else:
    print("All numbers are odd. How odd.")

Try running this example but with an even number in the list, see how the output changes as you do so.

[granite wyvern]

https://disboard.org/servers/tag/freefire?fl=en

[desert stump]

[obtuse lichen]

Are there any experts here?

I'm a newbie

[worn moth]

obviously no /j
yes, #python-discussion message

[runic flower]

"expert" is a very vague term, ask your question someone might be able to help.

[obtuse lichen]

I'd like to ask if it's still worthwhile to learn programming now? Will it be rendered obsolete by AI?

[granite wyvern]

Personally, I think yes to the former and no to the latter.
AI is going to change some things. Presently I think AI (well, LLMs) is overhyped.

[runic flower]

AI is a nice tool. sorta like saying is it worth learning accounting now that excel exists.

[obtuse lichen]

My native language is not English, so there may be some translation issues.

[runic flower]

do your best. 🙂

[obtuse lichen]

I'm afraid that if I learn Python, I'll be rendered obsolete by AI. I don't know how far I need to learn it to avoid being left behind.

[charred siren]

yes, and probably no. ai is a tool that can assist with development if you know what you're doing. otherwise, it's probably harmful and definitely not sustainable.

[granite wyvern]

Lots of people like that. It will be fine.

[golden mortar]

I think there are inherent limitations that mean LLMs will never be able to fully replace a human developer. They'll keep being tools, not fully autonomous developers.

[young flare]

There are AI bots which play games much better than you but does that stop you from playing that game?

[obtuse lichen]

Furthermore, my English is very poor, so learning programming will be more difficult for me compared to native speakers.

[granite wyvern]

Unless you're using some great translation software, it seems like your English is very good.

[obtuse lichen]

I am using Google Translate

[desert stump]

fruits = ("Apple", "Orange")
if x = fruits
print("Correct")
else:
print("Incorrect")

[old owl]

Hello, I'm new to the server :)

I don't professionally use Python (I'm an amateur pretty much ._.)
pretty much just joined this server to submit random code snippets I make when I'm bored

[charred siren]

you can learn to code as a hobby and make stuff you enjoy or find useful! pursuing a career is trickier and an entirely different question, but try not to feel discouraged

[worn moth]

i'm also not a native speaker, my level was developed only by writing programs

[desert stump]

why it doesnt work

[granite wyvern]

Ah, ok.

Anyway, that does just make things more roundabout. But programming is about problem solving, not English / not English. Although Python's keywords are English and such. But there are only so many.

[golden mortar]

Hello, and welcome

[old owl]

ty

[desert stump]

error in line 2

[granite wyvern]

You might want to open a topic in #1035199133436354600 - there's a lot of noise here.

[worn moth]

you are trying to assign fruits to x in if statement (you probably wanted to use comparasion operator ==),
also x doesn't exists.
also i see problems with identation

[young flare]

if you're looking to get a job related to programming, it'd be worth learning English

[pastel sluice]

hello - it's also worth noting that being a "professional" (vs. amateur) isn't about how much you get paid to do something; it's how you cultivate it.

[granite wyvern]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1447691207949029589

[old owl]

I don't get paid to do stuff I use Python for fun

[obtuse lichen]

I am studying hard.

[pastel sluice]

which is fine! we cater to all walks of Python people

[obtuse lichen]

I want to make Python programming my career, but I'm worried it will be rendered obsolete by artificial intelligence. What level of proficiency does Python need to reach to avoid becoming obsolete?

[young flare]

Good! Just work hard and everything will fall in place, don't worry too much about the things outside of your control and focus on the things you can

[old owl]

more like

fruits = ["apple", "orange"]

x = input("Type a fruit: ").lower()

if x in fruits:
  print("Correct")
else:
  print("Incorrect")

Not sure if that would be the intended purpose of the code but something close to this probably

[obtuse lichen]

Give me a goal that I won't be eliminated from.

[silver plover]

Could you ask in #career-advice ?

[pastel sluice]

there's always going to be a need for people with brains.

[obtuse lichen]

Okay, sorry.

[charred siren]

you cannot build a career with just python knowledge. it is one language among countless others. there's a lot more to this field than just python, and that comes with experience. just focus on learning and building intuition. you'll find out whether you really like this stuff or not

[golden mortar]

The same level of proficiency that you'd need if AI didn't exist.

Right now the only people outcompeted by AI are nearly useless.

[obtuse lichen]

Python + C++

[young flare]

Ask yourself, how does one measure their skill level? You will need to proficient enough so that companies will deem you worthy to hire you. On the other hand you will never stop learning in this industry so there is no specific goal that once you obtain you'll magically get hired by any company. There are skills outside of programming too that you will need to get a job, like communication and social networking too.

[worn moth]

it's not actually the language, this is in general programming
you can solve the task with any language you want but the way and how you solve this is the most difficult

[obtuse lichen]

Thank you, you are all very kind.

❤️

[young flare]

🙏🏿

shat suddenly died

[worn moth]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**Where's the strangest place you've seen Python?**

Suggest more topics here!

[young flare]

i feel like python has become so common i wouldn't be surprised to see it anywhere

[old owl]

One time I saw a shop that reminded me of the python logo

it was a clinic

I was so confused if it was an off-brand Python logo used for the company or smth

[hybrid elbow]

AI implementation

[pallid gorge]

    with open(file, 'r', encoding="utf-8") as json_file:
        json_data = json.load(json_file)
        if isinstance(json_data, dict):
            json_data = list(json_data.values())

Yo guys. i am currently writing a function that can write json files to a database but i am in a small problem. I have a json file that is 2 gb large but when i use this function it takes too long to load and sometimes it does not even load. Does anyone know something t hat can work faster.

[young flare]

its pretty common in that field

[young flare]

use a dbms

[hybrid elbow]

What do u guys do

[young flare]

json isnt meant to handle large data

[old owl]

I'm gonna post this rn because I gtg

[young flare]

its just a text file afterall, with a funny syntax put into it

[old owl]

I liked the old-fashioned style of CLI, and my personal favourite code (thought probably useless) was when I made a stylized "print()" function. It's definitely not useful but with some bugfixing, I could see this being used as a pretty cool cosmetic thing for CLI games or stuff like that :0

import time
import sys

def typewriter(word: str, letter: float, longchar: float, setlong: set):
    
    import time
    import sys
    
    # Checking for validity of parameters

    if not isinstance(word, str) or word == "":
        print("Error: Word parameter not acceptable")
    elif not isinstance(letter, float) or letter == "":
        print("Error: Letter parameter not acceptable")
    elif not isinstance(longchar, float) or word == "":
        print("Error: LongChar parameter not acceptable")
    
    else:
        if not isinstance(setlong, str) or setlong == "":
            setlong = "!@#$%^&*()<>?/;:{[]}\\|+-*/ ,"
        for i in range(len(word)+1):
            print(f"{word[:i]}█")
            sys.stdout.write(f"\033[1A")
            if word[i-1] in set(setlong):
                time.sleep(longchar)
            else:
                time.sleep(letter)
            i = i+1
        print(f"\r{word[:i]} ")
        sys.stdout.write("\033[1B")

typewriter("Hello, World! ^^", 0.1, 0.2, "")

[muted rampart]

So you're obtaining a list of stuff, basically.
What database is this being inserted into? What kind of data is in the list of stuff?

[old owl]

alr I gtg bye for now 👋

[worn moth]

🤔

assert isinstance(word, str) or word != "", "Word parameter not acceptable"
assert isinstance(letter, float) or letter != "", "Letter parameter not acceptable"
assert isinstance(longchar, float) or word != "", "LongChar parameter not acceptable"

...

[finite tree]

ASSERT ABUSE CALL THE COPS /s

[pallid gorge]

sqlite database

[young flare]

how about.. removing type validation as it is type annotated

[unborn lagoon]

I would probably just remove the instance checks in the hope that a typechecker is being used.

[worn moth]

yes, same

[smoky meadow]

Do you think use of AI is a good idea when learning Python? I mean in terms of usage for help?

[south bison]

finished making my face recognition script 😁

[worn moth]

that the purpose of typehints (not talking about dataclasses)

[finite tree]

ya do realise that assert doesnt work when -o is on right

[worn moth]

ofc, you can replace it with if statements and raises

[finite tree]

its better as you can specify a specific exception, TypeError

[runic flower]

it's not bad as a "better google search" but it's not great at "write something for me" if you don't already know how to explain to it what it did wrong

[young flare]

i wonder why python doesn't run in optimized mode by default. It should've had another flag specifically for debug mode instead

[gaunt badge]

!compban 757857050695827526

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @jaunty haven until <t:1765573849:f> (4 days).

[runic flower]

should be banned just for that username.

[stray field]

import sys
if sys.flags.optimize:
  raise AssertionError("optimize flag is not supported")

[pallid gorge]

what did he send

[runic flower]

...wait a second

[worn moth]

social engineering scam

[worn moth]

xD

[finite tree]

evil pure evil

[young flare]

absolute menace

[worn moth]

diabolical

[finite tree]

menace to society

[finite tree]

Can someone name the next ot channel name after this

[stray field]

What would you name it based on that snippet?

[young flare]

optimize-flag-not-supported

[finite tree]

otn-optimise-flag-not-supported

[runic flower]

hehe

import sys
assert sys.flags.optimize, "optimize flag is not supported"

[finite tree]

🤔

[stray field]

That will always raise unless optimize is enabled

might as well assert False

[runic flower]

thus the "hehe"

[grave tree]

!otn a optimize flag not supported

[edgy kraken]

:ok_hand: Added optimize-flag-not-supported to the names list.

[stray field]

assert sys.flags.optimize, "optimize flag is REQUIRED"

[runic flower]

alright, enough goofing off, back to my github docker auto build action optimisation

ciao all!

[young flare]

cya

[pallid gorge]

Is loading json file with ijson faster than normal json.load

[silver plover]

have you played around with nektos/act? Pretty great when doing gha work.

[pastel sluice]

the only way for you to find out in your scenario is to try them both and get performance measurements.

[runic flower]

No, I've done very little, new to gha and just started playing with stuff.

[silver plover]

I build my gha yml's so they can run locally via nektos/act, or on GHA. Saves a lot of debugging time.

[young flare]

its not faster, but it allows you to load chunks at a time instead of all together at once

[runic flower]

local testing of gha sounds sexy. I'll add it to the list of things to look at.
I swear I've spent more time in the past several months doing cool things with the tech around my project than actually anything that visibly changes my project.

[silver plover]

act runs it locally (in a container). You can also GHA on a self-hosted runner, where it runs on your local system... that's helpful when you're worried about runner minutes.

in other words, with act, you're doing the coordination & running locally. With self-hosted, GHA does the coordination, but it's run locally.

[runic cairn]

Who know to code with python

[true umbra]

Are there people working as a data scientist by any chance here?

Or anyone doing a data science degree?

[runic cairn]

@true umbra do u have roblox cheats

[true umbra]

Noo

[runic cairn]

Do u play 99 nigths in the forest? @true umbra

[silver plover]

!ot

[edgy kraken]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[runic cairn]

Who play 99 nigths in the roest

[radiant granite]

🤫

[cyan niche]

i hate computer science

i hate coding

i want to drop this class

fml

[radiant granite]

Your problem

Not ours

[broken meadow]

best sockest tut?

[steady rain]

what class is it?

[steady rain]

this server is largely about helping people. you don't have to help if you don't feel like it, but don't tell people off, either.

[cyan niche]

high school comp sci im having to do a part on robotics and its all in python and i have no clue what im looking at

this might as well be manderin

[steady rain]

don't psych yourself out. you can understand this.

[cyan niche]

chat gbt isnt even saving me from this

i have to do the jetbot stuff lol if you google it it shoudl pop up but thats the robotics stuff im having to do

[runic flower]

programming gets progressively easier the more you do it. but intro classes can also be horribly taught.
Is there a specific issue you're having? Ask about it.

[cyan niche]

yea its an intro class but this is so hard i dont even know what error to start with

[runic flower]

my kid did an intro class where on one project he got the wrong answer for including a \n at the end of the file.
so next project he made sure not to include the \n, only to get it wrong because the answer expected it.
sometimes it's not your fault something didn't work, so just ask about it.

my favorite was when they compared students answers to a multiline text variable, but at some point a formatter indented the text, so every line had 4 extra spaces at the start and the teachers "correct answer" didn't match the problem.

[cyan niche]

yea idk im so lost at this point idk

[runic flower]

so far you've said you're lost a few times, but have yet to share anything you're lost on so I'm not sure how to help you. 🙂

[cyan niche]

yea well currently im trying to install the extensions to start this lol

very lost rn I could be in narnia for all I know

[runic flower]

more like camelot here. 🙂

[cyan niche]

anychance I could just send you photos/screenshare and show you it lol you might understand alot better than me

[grave tree]

Grab a help channel and you can share screenshots there

[runic flower]

You can open a thread in #1035199133436354600 and post screen shots there, but typically text is preferred.

[wintry ingot]

Why python has a gil ? How if I don't want to have gil ?

[surreal knot]

Python 3.13+ has a free-threaded build with the GIL disabled iirc

[grave tree]

Do you know what the GIL is?

[viscid hinge]

yeh why do you not want the GIL

[grave tree]

... do you know what the GIL is?

[viscid hinge]

yes

[runic flower]

ooh, have you run into an issue with GIL, what happened, what did you try so far?

[viscid hinge]

do,.......you?

[cyan niche]

ok

[worn moth]

because it was designed to have gil
but now the community puts all efforts to remove it

[grave tree]

Yes. I'm confused by your question of "why do you not want the GIL", since it's a pretty common request for anyone who wants parallel threading but not spawn multiple processes

[runic flower]

I'm with spoojitkat here, most GIL questions are resolved by kowing what it is what it does and what versions of python are out there.

[grave tree]

We do get people who hear about something called the "GIL" and that it's bad, but don't know much beyond that. So I want to make sure the people who ask about it knows what it does

[viscid hinge]

right, im confused why im being ask why im asking why someone doesnt want a GIL

[compact eagle]

youtubers tend to picture gil as some evil tool
i run from these youtubers

[viscid hinge]

is it pronouced gil like gif or gil like gif

[gaunt badge]

like in gif

[viscid hinge]

got it

[gaunt badge]

(not like in jiff)

[viscid hinge]

lol

the jill

[cerulean ravine]

can you tell us more about your situation?

[viscid hinge]

i think guido said the GIL will remain until there are no single core machines left

[grave tree]

Are you aware of the recent free threading Python versions?

[cerulean ravine]

eventually the free-threading build will be the default.

[viscid hinge]

na im a bit behind

[cyan niche]

#1447709515628810382 message done thanks!

[tropic current]

I can't do python projects without the help of AI, I usually feel lost without using it,and I don't know if it wrong

[silver plover]

Next project, ask us for help, not AI

[worn moth]

how do you know you are doing (coding) good or bad?

[tropic current]

Ok

[rare gazelle]

ai makes it for u or u're using it as an assistant for u

[tropic current]

Is there a better way to make use of ai

[silver plover]

If you're a beginner, and want to get good at programming, the only way to get good is to practice programming.

[tropic current]

I know,but sometimes you can get stuck and may need help

[silver plover]

Practicing involves - experimenting, thinking and reading.

So, when you're stuck, you could: 1. spend more time thinking. 2. experiment / try different approaches. 3. read about the problem or other solutions.... or: Z: Ask an AI to solve it for you

[tropic current]

So it isn't bad to have AI solve it for you sometimes?

[silver plover]

If an AI solved it, you missed out on most of the learning.

[tropic current]

I understand now

[robust ledge]

Agreed. Failing to succeed is some of the most valuable time spent learning.

[golden mortar]

When you get stuck, and you just get the solution handed to you, you don't progress. It's much more useful to get guidance that enables you to solve the problem yourself.

[rare gazelle]

there are usually good sources for any problem u encounter

[golden mortar]

The issue with AI is that it's too tempting to just ask for the solution.

[rare gazelle]

ai isn't one of them in my opinion

resources*

i use ai a lot, but u can't really compare chatgpt answer with a realpython thread

[snow sail]

hello, is there a solution for the pkg_resources deprecation warning?

[silver plover]

Paste the full message?

[snow sail]

UserWarning: pkg_resources is deprecated as an API. See https://setuptools.pypa.io/en/latest/pkg_resources.html. The pkg_resources package is slated for removal as early as 2025-11-30. Refrain from using this package or pin to Setuptools<81.

[tropic current]

Thank you all,I fully understand... I'll try to "avoid" the use of ai in my future projects

[rare gazelle]

i think playing backwards and forwards with ai is what i do

[silver plover]

What were you installing when you saw this?

[snow sail]

vpython

[silver plover]

And does it work?

[snow sail]

oh well actually yes it works, i thought it was giving an error on the import

me not an expert xD

thank you

[granite wyvern]

Warning are usually not fatal messages. But it looks like at some point in the future this will be a fatal (failing) situation.

It's probably more for the author of vpython (or something it uses) than for you.

[wintry ingot]

Well I would like to make an OSINT tool for this I asked that

[bleak moth]

I find that often warnings are errors they're just errors that will manifest at runtime instead of compile time

It's like "You can do this, it's valid, and I can compile it, but you better make damn sure you know what you're doing for it to work."

[granite wyvern]

Well, logging messages typically have levels like debug, info, warningg, error. "warning" is usually a "this may not be what is intended" kinds of things, and "errors" are "did not work".

So a warning might be "you left this out and I'm guessing blah". And an error is "blah was not specified, quitting!"

[bleak moth]

Yeah, it's a little different in the compiling context.

[granite wyvern]

It's really not. Often a warning is dodgy but legal syntax and errors abort the compile.

[bleak moth]

I just recall the times I've tried to compile C/C++ and it compiles but doesn't link, or compiles and links, but then segfaults at runtime.

[granite wyvern]

Yeah, but that's not logging. That's memory mismanagement.

[bleak moth]

Hence why I said it's a bit different

[granite wyvern]

Rummages for a compile example:

CSS[~/hg/css-pilfer(hg:pilfer)]fleet2*> gcc vt/_scan.c
vt/_scan.c:2:10: fatal error: 'Python.h' file not found
    2 | #include <Python.h>
      |          ^~~~~~~~~~
1 error generated.
CSS[~/hg/css-pilfer(hg:pilfer)]fleet2*1>

See the word "error" there? My code was not compiled and rejected.

I'll try to find a warning level message for comparison.

[abstract ibex]

how does comparisons work on python

🤔

[steady rain]

By calling the dunder methods lt, le, gt, gt, eq, and ne

Less than, less or equal, greather than, etc.

[abstract ibex]

u serious ? 😭

wait i forgot what i asked 😭 ok that makes sense

but

[steady rain]

You forgot what you asked, which was still on screen, in one minute?

[abstract ibex]

yes 😭

consider 4 < 10

[steady rain]

It calls (4).__lt__(10)

[abstract ibex]

which does what

[steady rain]

Calls C code to compare ints

[abstract ibex]

i was surprised that heapq can compete with sorted for getting top N. to me it doesn't make sense.

[steady rain]

I think __lt__ specifically is the one that's used by sorted and list.sort

[grim axle]

heap sort(tree insertions) vs powersort?

[abstract ibex]

not heapsort

just heapify + pop top k elems

k << n

but importantly, n is not too big

[grim axle]

!d heapq.heapify - just basic heap

[edgy kraken]

heapq.heapify

heapq.heapify(x)```
Transform list *x* into a min-heap, in-place, in linear time.

[grim axle]

I think

[rare gazelle]

what if it doesn't have lt

[steady rain]

You'll get an error if you try to sort something that doesn't have it implemented

[rare gazelle]

even if it has rt?

i mean gt

or ge to be fair sounds more valid

[abstract ibex]

imho heapq is impl on python while sorted surely its native codes. so asymptotic behavior is dwarfed by the screeching fast C code vs. slow bytecode

but this does not seem to be the case

so my question is what is slowing down the GOAT

how can the GOAT lose

[rare gazelle]

gt makes sense as well

[cerulean ravine]

@abstract ibex what code did you use that shows heapq being faster?

[rare gazelle]

if a < b then b > a

[cerulean ravine]

@abstract ibex btw, you often mean afaik when you say imho

[abstract ibex]

sorry

[rare gazelle]

class a:
    def __init__(self, b):
        self.b = b

    def __gt__(self, other_a):
        return self.b > other_a.b

    def __repr__(self):
        return str(self.b)


print(sorted(map(a, [3,1,2])))

that works

ge didn't work

actually ge doesn't make sense in this case...

oh nvm it does

like not a >= b

[steel whale]

looking good with that decoration

[cerulean ravine]

tbh, i'm not quite sure what it means, or how to see the wrap-up again

[steel whale]

i'm not quite sure what it means,
it being what?
how to see the wrap-up again
top right, you'll see a flag

[frosty oriole]

wild

[cerulean ravine]

"it" being the decoration

[steel whale]

it doesn't mean anything, it's just a decoration you got for checking out your checkpoint

[silver plover]

No linkedin spam or advertising here, thank you.

[proud prism]

ddd

adawd

[iron vector]

Im gonna do something mature

[abstract ibex]

W

[brisk gazelle]

A statement that could go in more than one direction. Let us hope for a positive outcome.

[iron vector]

#bot-commands

[brisk gazelle]

Yes, strings with a length greater than zero are truthy.

[zealous lion]

heapq has a C accelerator that's used most of the time

[abstract ibex]

#1447452669940596867 message

just discovered that 😭

but thank u

[tight flax]

👋

[rugged barn]

Good timezone

[stray field]

Is there any point in using a custom JSONDecoder in json.loads?

[cerulean ravine]

you do it if you want to get different data than the default decoder gives you. Maybe you want tuples instead of lists, or objects made from some dicts, etc.

[stray field]

I was able to do that with just object_hook

[cerulean ravine]

hmm, i don't know enough to know when you would use each

[wintry ingot]

Sherlock is too slow, I guess python was a bad choice to write this tool

[cerulean ravine]

what is sherlock?

[wintry ingot]

This tool: GitHub - sherlock-project/sherlock: Hunt down social media accounts by username across social networks https://share.google/aCcCGL6VivXCDsad3

[cerulean ravine]

this seems like it would be IO-bound.

[wintry ingot]

What lang is better for IO bound

[cerulean ravine]

Python is fine for IO-bound.

[rotund steppe]

How is a mathematics degree for getting into ds/ml?