pycon-us

[tacit jetty]

oh wow, that's so fast

I guess because they didn't do an online option this year.

[lime vine]

funny thing is, it used to be faster (less than 24 hours).

I think this year they are reviewing the videos for conduct violations rather than counting on people to report them.

[tacit jetty]

so the last few years, they've been deliberately throttling the video uploading so as to not compete with the online-only ticket?

[lime vine]

i think that is the case. The video vendor was actually named Next Day Video: https://nextdayvideo.com/

[ancient burrow]

Oh! Well it’s super nice seeing them available right away

[lime vine]

It is definitely great to have them within a week. last year it was at least six weeks.

[lusty falcon]

Definitely. I'm gratefully watching talks I missed last week, while conversations I had with the speakers and folks who attended the talks are fresh in my mind.

I miss the "next day" nature of Next Day Video. I think PyCon's current video production team may produce slightly higher quality output on average, but it was really nice to watch yesterday's keynote in the hotel room while winding down.

[supple hawk]

They "just" posted Cory's speech. And it has way more views than all the others 😂

[wheat zephyr]

It's too bad the Youtube version of Cory's speech has no way to show the hilarious slideshow that was playing during that keynote lol

[tacit jetty]

Tomorrow I'll make some popcorn and read the comments

I think I'll leave this channel open for longer than prior years so we can talk about the talks (that's so meta)

What was everyone's favorite talks?

[lime vine]

"The opinions and perspectives within this video should not be considered official stances of the Python Software Foundation." wow

[wheat inlet]

If that doesn't interest you, I don't know what will. Here's the video, for those who don't want to look it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydVmzg_SJLw

[limber geode]

While at the conference I missed Cory's keynote but heard a lot of folks talking about how spicy it was, which left me like "well, what did you expect?" He's Cory Doctorow. The US is turning ever more towards fascism, large US tech companies doubly so. Did anyone expect him to be demure?

[wheat inlet]

I think the thing that people noticed most was Cory being very critical of companies that just gave a short sponsor introduction.

[dim sage]

I worry this is going to prevent Google / meta etc from sponsoring next pycons though

Regardless of the PSF’s disclaimer that the opinions expressed are solely Cory’s, the “issue” if there is one, remains that the PSF provided him a platform. there’s an expectation that speakers are vetted and held to certain standards, then there’s the timing, it appears orchestrated.
When the target of these (not so thinly veiled attacks, look at the Facebook “drunks” comments) were present in the room, the impact is much higher
I hope there isn’t a fallout

[limber geode]

Well, that's a vibe. Time will tell whether it's a flight or fancy or a real thing to be worried about.

Honestly if this causes problems for the PSF then in that world I applaud them for their bravery. My take is that it seems more realistic that no one at these huge companies gave a single shit that Cory Doctorow said they're the spawn of hell. He's a known quantity. He's unlikely to cause them any material problems in the short term, no matter how strongly he expresses his extremely unsurprising pro-competition/anti-big-tech views.

[limber geode]

In any event any prospective backlash would be a huge PR unforced error on the part of the big tech firms. I mean just imagine how viral Cory could get if you let him toot about funding being pulled from the PSF because he made a joke about alcoholism or whatever. That would be a huge gift to give your opposition, and really digging the hole of currently wildly unpopular tech oligarchs. Doesn't seem realistic to me that they'd do something so ill-advised

[zinc quest]

Presumably the sponsoring companies knew in advance that Cory Doctorow was giving a keynote

[wanton lantern]

I loved Amethyst’s talk on flow control.

[dim sage]

Of course, the schedule was open, but they wouldn’t have an idea on what the talk would be about

[wanton lantern]

If they didn’t know what he was going to talk about then they haven’t been paying attention.

[dim sage]

We’ll just have to see how it plays out in the future

[brittle lily]

It's also not like employees at companies are happy with certain practices the higher ups choose.
Venues like this offer them a stronger argument when they're internally pushing against terrible practices.
If your only take away was "big company bad" then you weren't paying attention, it's about practices that hurt everyone around them. And to push to make change requires that more employees have the ability to voice objections and demonstrate their objections are strong enough to push against the short term gains.

[frozen relic]

Presumably not, actually - sponsorships are usually decided long before keynotes, IME

[zinc quest]

that makes sense

[brittle lily]

Finally home and catching up--
So the core targets the hardware level--it's assembly for each micro that can toggle each register, etc.

So once it has the core ported to the chip, on boot it goes to your python files and starts iterating through those

To port to a new chip you need to get certain things running: https://docs.circuitpython.org/en/latest/docs/porting.html
https://learn.adafruit.com/how-to-add-a-new-board-to-circuitpython?view=all
https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/develop/porting.html

Similarly, you can get a linux kernel running on lots of embedded chips:
https://jaycarlson.net/embedded-linux/

I skipped over that nuance because it's getting weird. It use to be really easy to say "I micro controller can't run an operating system" and that's not the case anymore.

Now an RTOS is different: The core focus of an rtos is "Real Time" so it's very timing focused. Which is amazing for a lot of use cases but for a ton of stuff, like turning off or on a lightbulb, you don't need it.

To add more weird and confusing: An integrated circuit has a fixed design made from the silicon put in place. That means the family of things it does is pretty fixed. But most of the things it does is a combination of logic steps. Some architectures allow for lots of logic steps to be adjustable. And if you create a large enough array of those adjustable logic steps, you can make the chip behave as if it's many different designs. That's what an FPGA is: Field Programmable Gate Arrays https://www.arm.com/glossary/fpga

Those are awesome because they're a completely different kind of programming: it's mostly all parallel, you're designing hardware, etc. It's a wild world. But they eat power like crazy because the gates are generic, instead of optimized for specific logic like you would if you were fabricating a micro controller

[novel lotus]

I know a RTOS has some lag, compared to using purely ISR, which is quick to react as you can get. Whatever is running the python, does it have more delay than a RTOS?

I guess you kinda answered that

Also if anyone wants an fpga, altera de0 nano is really cheap if u got an edu account

Or at least was when I got one for college

[brittle lily]

The porting information has a better explanation about what it is than I can articulate. Like how you can run avr studio's c/c++ on atmega boards, rtos, or micropython (assuming it works)
It's all different designs and program flow architecture, but all directly access the registers of the chip.
But it's a weird space to define because a lot of the old definitions relied on, "Chips are small, computers are big" and would kind of abstract away a lot of the other distinctions. Now that metric doesn't work as well, so it's confusing.

[brittle lily]

https://1bitsquared.com/products/icebreaker
There's the iCE40 family of fpga's that has a full open source tool chain that can target them as well. It's great. (It could use some polish but that's how this space is right now)
A part of the cool chain is
https://github.com/amaranth-lang/amaranth
It's been great to see it's development over time, it's such a wild target!

[novel lotus]

My biggest complaint with FPGA is actually the toolchain. To really learn, to build high speed stuff, you have to use their special tools. Its like, not something you can just figure out. Even testing right, when I was writing a test bench I had to use their ModelSim Test Bench?

[brittle lily]

Yeah that's why chip selection matters a lot. There's also cost at volume, etc.
But the good news is there's fully open source tool chains now, and they're python based! (amaranth is so amazing. I still don't understand how to use it well, but it's existence is something I wished for back in college)
But stepping away from FPGAs, circuit python and micro python are lovely and make it so nice to just build and deploy thing!

What's not nice is coming back from pycon and discovering that during a thunderstorm some of my smart how got fried

I'll have to diagnose what happened later. This is the first thing I've had fry since college. Nowadays most things are so well designed that it/esd isn't a risk you have to deal with often.

[novel lotus]

Ouch, ive seen someones 3 ring binder touch their board and fry it

oh shoot I misread ur message. Smart Home stuff got fried? Thats weird

[brittle lily]

oof: if you're playing with a raw chip, that'll happen (though it's more likely with a chip than with a development board). caps and resistors on dev boards do a great job of helping keep the microcontroller safe. But a chip/board in plastic sleeves is just asking for trouble. Hopefully it wasn't an expensive lesson.
I had a stepper motor driver that would get fried because we didn't properly protect it from current spikes from back driving
And not really, there was a lightning storm. The only things that look fried are on a specific outlet so I wouldn't be surprised if it got hit with a part of a bolt

[novel lotus]

Yeah I have a lot of smart switches and outlets, only time ive had one break was when I accidentally shorted hot and neutral on a switch when I was installing it.

of course I dont think my house has been struck by lightning either?

[tacit jetty]

I'm listening to a podcast about analyzing polling in relation to current events, and one of them said "I think professional conferences are the place where adults over 30 in America have the most fun. People skip the sessions and talk in the hallway, and then after the sessions end for the day it gets wild. It's like a summer camp for nerdy adults who share your niche interest"

I relate spiritually.

[wanton lantern]

All of !

[wheat inlet]

Conferences are great, but hearing that also makes me a bit sad. It reminds me of Lynn Root's keynote: Are we not allowed to play and have fun as adults? I can think of many ways to have a good time with friends and other nerdy adults, like a board games night or organising an old-fashioned LAN party.

[lime vine]

maybe instead of being sad about it, we should use the conference experience as a seed to grow around and try to build more experiences like that throughout the year.

[limber geode]

Are we not allowed to play and have fun as adults?

Who would forbid this? Why do people put aside childish things? Who benefits from a cultural precept of "adulthood" which leaves no room for play? One which defines people's value by what they can do for their employer?

[wanton lantern]

I play and have fun at home and throughout my life. At PyCon I play and have fun with the friends that live in my phone and I only see a few days a year. For me, that week is the most fun I have because I get to see and play with people I love but never get to see or play with. PyCon is summer camp.

https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202505/pycon_summer_camp.html

[wheat inlet]

I think we are in agreement. The part that makes me sad is that it's specifically conferences where adults have the most fun.

There are many places, including conferences, where adults can have fun. It shouldn't be just conferences.

Let's have fun all the time! (Or at least often...)

[limber geode]

I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down. My point is that people work to make our lives boring. We have people whose efforts we'd need to oppose to make room for fun in our own lives & in the lives of others. My point is that "we should let adults have fun!!" isn't a politically neutral stance.

[wheat inlet]

Alright, maybe I did not pick up on that

[supple hawk]

They still have not uploaded “Finding 2.0”
It’s one of the few I actually really want to catch

[lime vine]

That was a great one. Marc was impressively open and vulnerable.

[tacit jetty]

What was it about?

[lime vine]

it's about his own struggles with illness and addiction, and how he tried to change.

i guess how he did change

[tacit jetty]

Why was that a PyCon talk?

[lime vine]

is there a reason it shouldn't be a pycon talk?

[tacit jetty]

Not intrinsically. Did he discuss how any aspect of the software developer lifestyle might contribute to the issues he was facing?

[lime vine]

I don't think he connected it directly to the software lifestyle, any more than Lynn Root did in her keynote.

[deep rose]

What is pycon exactly?

hi @lime vine

[lime vine]

PyCon US is an annual gathering of the international Python community. There are other PyCon conferences in US states and other countries as well.

[deep rose]

I can only see Pycon-US for now

Which other countries do participate tho?

[lime vine]

There are many: EuroPython, pycon.pt, pycon.gr, pycon.ie, pycon.ar, etc

[deep rose]

oh thanks

[lime vine]

https://www.python.org/events/

[deep rose]

but i don't know the full form of any of these

thanks for the link

[frozen lintel]

yo do people actually care abt pep8

[stoic salmon]

btw you have any idea if there were some pycon us talks that didn't happen or won't get uploaded? for instance, can't find

https://us.pycon.org/2025/schedule/presentation/32/

on

https://www.youtube.com/@PyConUS/videos

[lime vine]

I have asked on Mastodon about this: they are all coming, it just takes time.

[lime vine]

btw, that talk was much more about the past and present than about the future...

[stoic salmon]

nice, cheers

[stoic salmon]

heh, yeah thought there could be a chance of that, but when is python packaging ever not interesting 😆

[terse niche]

waits patiently for pycon talk uploads

[tacit jetty]

Which ones are we still waiting on?

[lime vine]

there are 40 hidden videos in the playlist, which probably means someone needs to review them

[tribal vine]

guys where do i go from print ("hello world")

[terse niche]

I wonder if there were sound issues in the recordings. I could barely speak during a few parts of my talk because I could hear myself with a slight delay through the sound system.

[timber lion]

Seems that one of the videos got more views than all the other videos combined from PyCon2025.

[tacit jetty]

The one from Corey doctorow?

You can read our real time conversation in this channel from when he was giving the talk.

[timber lion]

That's the one!

[brittle lily]

He's got a different audience than most of the python community, so if he shared it with anyone in his audience it would see a different and distinct demographic engagement than most of the other talks. That said, it probably has a spillover effect increasing the audience that views other talks too

[supple hawk]

Well it’s also not super techy.
The audience is far more general than most of the other talks. Only a few matched that level of reach. And of that, the name recognition definitely didn’t match.

[lime vine]

also, it's the first video in the playlist

[vale yarrow]

i’m somewhat surprised that one made it to youtube

[tacit jetty]

it does have that caveat in the description, but even so.

[lime vine]

If you look at previous year playlists, the first video often has a larger number of views than you'd expect. 2023's first video is "Welcome to PyCon"

same for 2024: "A message from Mariatta": 13k views

[wanton lantern]

If anyone’s interested I wrote a short recap of my PyCon US experience.

https://brassnet.biz/blog/pycon25.html

[wicked merlin]

one day i'm gonna write something like this

[little anchor]

so, any recommendations for speakers and topics from pycon that would be worth looking up?

[wheat inlet]

I liked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhNSINolcSM

[zinc quest]

he really resisted calling SQLModel by name

(but maybe that was implied)

[terse niche]

https://youtu.be/BKzv4uP8s-k almost made me cry and got a standing ovation in the room

[frosty pebble]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @eternal cliff until <t:1748971663:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[supple hawk]

Ooo nice. It finally got uploaded. Def going to watch that one

[silver kettle]

This is the best video I have seen today

[dreamy creek]

Yes, we do.

[frozen lintel]

its ok the assignment is done, documentation was worth 5%

[frank berry]

put bot token in config.json

/mines (tile_amt) (round_id)

[lime vine]

wrong channel?

[terse niche]

another batch of PyCon talks are up on youtube

[tawdry fiber]

Hello all

first time here

need understand hoe the chat works

someome here already did a program that can upload video, did the treathments and create come shaps and forms to simulate a dummy?

[tacit jetty]

hello and welcome to our wonderful python server. you should probably go to #python-discussion

[tawdry fiber]

thanks bro

[tacit jetty]

What other talks do people want to talk about? It might be time to sunset this channel until next year.

[timber lion]

I created a blog post about my experience at PyCon 2025: https://seleniumbase.com/my-trip-to-pycon-2025/

[river wharf]

hello

any body here ?

[lime vine]

many people. what's up?

[river wharf]

justing hanging around to see some programs

[river wharf]

nothing much

and trying to hit more than 50 text for voice chat

[still widget]

hello?

[tacit jetty]

first

[wanton lantern]

Second!

If anyone is going to be around on Wed. and wants to join me and some other folks at the Dodgers game, LMK.

[wanton lantern]

The booking period for the Westin ends on Thursday, April 30. There are still rooms available there through the block. If you are coming and haven't booked yet, please do. The situation has improved since the original message was posted but there's still room for improvement.

[pastel sand]

Hey there, I'm Bhavani from India, gonna attend Pycon US for the 1st time this year, also have a tutorial
If any of you pyladies are open to sharing your stay with me, please let me know

[wanton lantern]

I look forward to meeting you! Make sure you go to the first time attendee session on Thursday afternoon (right before the opening reception) - there's a lot of good advice.

[lime vine]

congrats on the tutorial

[wanton lantern]

A very fun thing to do at PyCon is to volunteer to help out. There are tons of opportunities including:

• Helping at registration
• Helping at the information desk
• Working the green room
• Tutorial hosts (this gives you a chance to attend one of the tutorials without paying!)
• Swag setup/handout
• Helping with the captioners
• Helping out with the talks (there are a few roles here)
• Helping at the PyLadies Auction (you need to have a ticket for the auction to do these.)
• Helping out at the PSF booth (with me!!!)

I think I got all of them. But you can find the full list and links to sign up for each role on the PyCon US website.

[neon tartan]

Is there roommate matching this year? I haven't been able to find it. I've got a room at the Marriott and would like to share

[wanton lantern]

I don't know if there ever was some kind of official roommate matching. But I've also had my travel costs paid for by employer every time.

[tacit jetty]

it's coming up fast. I booked some extra time after the conference in LA (different hotel) to explore, since I haven't been

[wanton lantern]

You going to sprint at all?

[tacit jetty]

nope.

For one thing, I don't actually own a laptop.

[wanton lantern]

That might make it a bit difficult...

[tacit jetty]

I do have... almost every other kind of portable computer

[wanton lantern]

Vision Pro? 😉

[neon tartan]

If anyone is looking to share a room in the Marriott Long Beach, hit me up!

[obtuse trench]

Going to PyCon for the first time - I need to fly back on Monday, but I wanted to ask about the sprints. They sound really cool and I want to attend one, but if I get a 1pm flight out of LAX, will I be able to attend an early one?

Or do you need to stay later for them?

[lime vine]

i think that would be difficult. You might be able to sit for an hour or two with someone, but people might not start early on Monday

[wanton lantern]

I had a 3pm flight out of SLC my first PyCon and was able to participate in the morning. A 1pm flight means you probably need to leave for the airport at 10ish so I doubt you'll have time to do anything. 😿

[amber elk]

Hello all! I am so excited that we are bringing art programming to PyCon US this year through Python with Art! We're looking for folks to join us at a series of open spaces at PyCon US (link here: https://us.pycon.org/2026/events/open-spaces/#openspace-40) on Friday, May 15 to create art, showcase art, and discuss the future of art in light of AI.

We are looking to showcase the creativity of the Python community, and we'd love to see your art. Are you interested in being involved? Do you have art you plan to bring? Do you have an art project you want to lead? Let us know by emailing us at [e-mail].

We're also looking for a few volunteers to help us run these open spaces. Please let us know if you want to volunteer with us to make this celebration of creativity happen. Email us at [e-mail].

[quaint mesa]

DM you

[wanton lantern]

Is this the one Mario posted on Mastodon?

[wanton lantern]

When are people getting into Long Beach? I fly in on Tuesday evening.

[tacit jetty]

Thursday afternoon

[untold bison]

hello

[wanton lantern]

Greetings.

[untold bison]

why dont this server has the thing on the side of your name

[wanton lantern]

What do you mean?

[untold bison]

the thing on the side of your name

[wanton lantern]

The snek?

[untold bison]

yea yea

as example

[wanton lantern]

I don't remember what I did to get it there.

[untold bison]

as an example that

[wanton lantern]

Click the adopt.

[untold bison]

no im just saying that this seerver should add one called python

[wanton lantern]

!ot
But this isn't really the right channel for this convo.

[frosty pebble]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-the-original-pubsta

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[untold bison]

idk wheres general

[wanton lantern]

There is no "general". We have 3 off topic channels though.

[tacit jetty]

does anyone have any talks they're especially keen on?

[wanton lantern]

• Fall in love with CSS
• AI-Assisted Contributions and Maintainer Load
• The Bakery: How PEP810 sped up my bread operations business
• Hash me if you can: Let's talk about Python dictionaries!
• No More Spreadsheets! Building PyLadiesCon Infrastructure with Python and Django

There are a few others I've ⭐ ed but these are the ones I will probably go to the room for.

[tacit jetty]

"AI-Assisted Contributions" that's generous

[wanton lantern]

I doubt Paolo will be quite as generous in his talk.

[vale yarrow]

I currently plan on going to pablo's spanish keynote despite the fact that I do not speak spanish

[amber elk]

Yep! We're working on this togegther!

[lime vine]

i'm not sure what to make of that. bold to have a keynote that a majority of attendees won't understand.

maybe it will be simulaneously translated in the captions?

[tacit jetty]

I would assume so

[lime vine]

they should mention that. the abstract is in two languages.

[wanton lantern]

I asked in the Slack if there will be simultaneous translation. I'll let you know. TBH it is definitely one of my concerns about it.

So charge up your phone, pack a set of headphones so you can use the live translation service and get ready to give a massive, warm welcome to Pablo Galindo Salgado. ¡Nos vemos en Long Beach! (See you in Long Beach!)

https://pycon.blogspot.com/2026/04/haciendo-historia-celebrating-pycon-uss.html

Per Marie:

aiui, there is an app that will cover a handful of languages, including English, and English translations will also be on one of the screens

[lime vine]

wow, cool

i hope the app can keep up with his speaking pace!

[rare epoch]

I do not have permission to speak.

[urban lark]

Hi, this channel is about the PyCon event
See #voice-verification and ask questions in#python-discussion

[rare epoch]

whoops, sorry. Wrong channel. I am still learning how to use discord.

[urban lark]

all good, its a mess

[rare epoch]

Does anyone know if PyConn will have job board or similar. I have not be able to attend PyConn yet? Thank you.

[silent perch]

There's https://us.pycon.org/2026/sponsorship/job-listings/

[wanton lantern]

There's the job fair on Sunday morning.

[rare epoch]

I am tempted to attend the PyConn, but ~$280 + fees per night for May 13 to May 19 plus ~$600 flight + conference fee is too much for my in between jobs budget. I plan to watch what is offered on YouTube.

[tacit jetty]

the main event is only May 15-17, so you could do all of that for as few as two nights. and you might be able to find a roommate.
but it might be kinda late to plan all of that, especially the flight.

[tacit jetty]

(from https://us.pycon.org/2026/attend/information/)
# What does my registration payment go towards?
Your registration payments help us keep PyCon US registration tickets reasonably priced. Registration costs go towards offsetting costs for catering [etc]. By offsetting those costs, we can offer attendees reasonable registration rates and offer a travel grant program to those that need it.

I'm pretty sure this is intended to address the price difference between the three rates (corporate, individual, and student), but that isn't really made clear. At face value, it says "Your registration payment keeps the price that you just payed reasonable".

[wanton lantern]

It also says:

Corporate Rate — If your company is paying for you to attend PyCon US, register at the corporate rate. You will help keep the conference affordable for everyone, especially students and those requiring a travel grant. Government employees should also register at the corporate rate.

Essentially, PyCon US is the PSF's big fundraiser and the goal is to not lose money.

[wanton lantern]

👋 I'm going!

[tight dagger]

Yay!

I am also going - admittedly I am required because it's my actual job, but I am also intending to enjoy the heck out of it

[wanton lantern]

From experience, Loren does enjoy the heck out of it. Especially the PyLadies Auction.

[tight dagger]

Haha this is true:)

[silent perch]

Really looking forward to it!

[wanton lantern]

Is the talk written yet? 😉

[wanton lantern]

Can I say how cool it is that there are already some open spaces populated?
https://us.pycon.org/2026/events/open-spaces/

[silent perch]

A talk is never done, only presented at a point in time 🙃

[wanton lantern]

I didn't ask about done, now did I? (Look... I've started writing my talk for PyOhio and I have a couple of months...)

[stuck reef]

I better start mine 🙂

[tight dagger]

Fantasy data project: A version of the PyCon US schedule with progress bars under each talk showing how close they are to done ready

[wanton lantern]

So just a countdown timer till the end of the talk?

[wanton lantern]

For those of you on BlueSky I created a feed to follow #PyConUS (and a bunch of variants) since you can't actually follow a hashtag on BlueSky.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:olxbyl4nvpq3qbtrltapnusn/feed/aaamer7f4pgaw

Bluesky

[tacit jetty]

I wonder if they're going to implement that

[lime vine]

did you create this last year? Or this year?

[wanton lantern]

Last year but I updated the regex for this year shortly after last year's ended.

[lime vine]

OK, i was confused because it looks like i already follow it, so that explains it.

[wanton lantern]

The logo is also last year's because I'm too lazy to update it.

[wanton lantern]

Just went to try and update it but I can't see where I can do that. 😿

You can't update it till you click update feed but it's now updated with the correct, 2026, branding.

Hopefully next year I'll remember to update the branding closer to the event 😄

[lusty falcon]

Hey all! I'm looking forward to seeing folks at PyCon next week. Just a heads up for folks who are attending for the first time: I have a blog post with tips for first time attendees and I just recorded an audio version of it today. https://trey.io/first-pycon

There are lots of blog posts online with tips for first-time PyCon attendees. I link to a few others at the end of that post. I wish I had read a couple before my first PyCon, as there are things I learned during my first few PyCons that I wish I'd known sooner.

[knotty basin]

what is the pycon?

[wanton lantern]

PyCon US is the Python conference thrown by the Python Software Foundation (PSF) every year in United States. It's a gathering of > 2,000 Pythonistas to talk about Python and all things adjacent and tangential.

https://us.pycon.org/2026/

[wanton lantern]

A week out from the opening reception. Who's excited?

[wanton lantern]

Gaming is starting to be planned 😃

https://hackmd.io/@crazy4pi314/pycon26-boardgames#.

[silent perch]

I get a 404, I presume some sharing tweak is needed?

[wanton lantern]

It looks like the link was changed...
https://hackmd.io/@crazy4pi314/pycon26-games#.

https://mathstodon.xyz/@crazy4pi314/116536371269720345

Sarah Kaiser (@[e-mail])

🎉 Its almost #PyConUS, so let's talk GAMES!!

One of my favorite parts of PyCon is playing board and card games with other pythonistas which usually grows in scope past a single open space.

I am trying to be more organized this year and started an open list of gaming sessions and what games folks are bringing so we don't all bring dominion 😆

Its a live doc so keep checking back to see the latest info and add the games you are bringing!

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hackmd.io/@crazy4pi314/pycon26…

#python #boardgames #ttrpg

Mathstodon · May 8, 2026, 1:31 AM

[quaint mesa]

Hey guys,
anyone travelling from lax airport to long beach on 15th May in the morning Morning ready to share Uber ?

[tacit jetty]

There's public transit from LAX to long Beach

[wanton lantern]

If you have never been to the PyLadies auction you should come. I guarantee that it's an amazing time. You don't need to bid (but you can!) just watching the insanity of it all is amazing! For example, last year a lot of junk that was assembled from things people brought up at the end sold for hundreds of dollars. And there's always a lot of actually good items as well. It raises money for a very good cause.

[quaint mesa]

I saw it takes 90+ mins to reach ? by changing the metros is there any better way

[tacit jetty]

I'm a public transit user, so I was just going to cope.

[wanton lantern]

If my company wasn't paying my way I would do public transit. Thankfully they're covering the Uber.

But I get in Tuesday evening. With that, if anyone is getting in to LAX on Tuesday ~6 and wants to share an Uber on my company's dime, LMK.

[tacit jetty]

Speaking of, this is UI gore. There's no indication of whether the rows and columns have any significance.

[stuck reef]

I'm flying straight to Long Beach 🙂

[wanton lantern]

If only they had a nonstop from the DC/Baltimore area for that. I decided longish uber was better than a layover and connection.

Especially on the way home.

[wanton lantern]

I grabbed a couple more card based games to bring with me. I'll be in the Westin playing hand hanging out Thursday and Friday with Flip 7, Exploding Kittens, and an Israeli card & dice game (I have a PDF of the rules in English.) I know there will also be board games those evenings in the Hyatt lobby. I'm assume Trey will be doing his Cabo sessions as well but I'm not sure at which hotel.

[tacit jetty]

Is anyone interested to make a variation of our logo to match the PyCon US branding? The sillouette needs to remain the same (python logo centered on a background). we have a branding kit that you could use.
we'd like a banner also that's 960x540 (16:9 ratio).

[wanton lantern]

Is anyone going to be around on Wed?

[south jackal]

Umm possibly

Oh, yes I am. I want to hit one of the morning tutorials.

Which I actually wanated to ask about. What are these tutorials like? I noticed that some of the same presenters/topics are duplicated in the tutorial vs a main talk and I was wondering what the difference was.

Also wondering about dress code

[south jackal]

Do you happen to know if it's only open to python attendees or can someone bring a plus one?

[tame basalt]

These are unofficial, adhoc things in lobbies, so a plus one should be fine!

[tame basalt]

No dress code, most are in jeans and t-shirt but you can also dress up if you like. I recommend comfy shoes for all the walking. Some info here: https://www.harihareswara.net/posts/2023/your-first-pycon-but-not-your-first-convention/

[tame basalt]

I haven't been to tutorials, but they are longer and hands-on compared to talks

[south jackal]

Haha I'd rather not dress up tbh

I just don't want to stand out

[tame basalt]

See also https://treyhunner.com/2018/04/how-to-make-the-most-of-your-first-pycon/ for lots of tips and links, and of course welcome to keep asking questions here 🙂

[south jackal]

I assume for the tutorials there's either workstations on site or we bring our own laptops? I was gonna bring my own laptop either way I think, just curious

I feel like if there's ever a public space that wouldn't judge me for lugging my laptop around everywhere, it's pycon

[tame basalt]

Yes, pretty sure you bring your own laptop. Check the tutorial description, sometimes they ask to pre-install some things, which can save time on the day.

[plucky gulch]

hi guys

where is the genralchat ?

[wanton lantern]

What Hugo said.

[wanton lantern]

Do remember that the tutorial will cast $150 in addition to the conference registration. A tutorial is more of a class on a topic and lasts ~3hours. A talk is a shallow dive over 30 minutes.

[wanton lantern]

Most people will have their laptops with them. That is pretty much expected.

[south jackal]

Okay, good. And yeah, I have to double check but man, the more I look the more surprised I am at how solid a lot of these talks are. I think they did a really good job of catering to people at different levels of python proficiency, different industries, and different focuses. Also very kind of them to separate the security track from the AI track

[vernal lake]

wat is pycon-us?

what is it?

(ping me thx brb)

[wanton lantern]

Thank you.

[wanton lantern]

#pycon-us message

[south jackal]

Okay, I'll probably just be around for the morning then and head out after lunch

[south jackal]

Board games/card games seem fun! I assume running them in the evenings after the conference is out for the day?

[graceful sparrow]

hello ppl

hello @stuck vine

[brittle pasture]

hello

[wanton lantern]

Yeah. Games are in the lobbies in the evening. Looks like cards at the Westin and Board at the Hyatt.

[weary chasm]

Print("hello world")

😂

[south jackal]

I'm guessing around 7ish most nights? Trying to coordinate with a friend who wants to join

Or like 7:15ish ig, I don't know how far away the hotels are from the event

[wanton lantern]

It will probably be posted here and on the socials (fedi and bsky). Mostly depends on when people finish dinner. Saturday might be a bit lighter because of the auction.

When are you getting in?

[wanton lantern]

In the air to LAX. PyCon here I come!

[south jackal]

Nice!

[south jackal]

I've been in ALL MY LIFE!

(jk, I actually live 40 minutes away)

[wanton lantern]

So no need to share an uber from LAX.

[south jackal]

I hate LAX, lol

But hopefully arriving at it isn't too bad

[wanton lantern]

Hopefully... I'll find out soon enough.

[south jackal]

Dumb question but.... will there be wifi at pycon? Lol.

I may have to do a job interview during the conference. Probably just try to find a quiet enough hallway, pop out earbuds, and do it.

Or maybe drive to a starbucks or something or just hop in my car

I normally take those at home but

[wanton lantern]

There will be WiFi. I can't guarantee what the quality will be.

[south jackal]

Probably awful 😂

[wanton lantern]

How could we have live demo fails without wifi?

[south jackal]

With so many on it

yeah

[wanton lantern]

Pittsburgh wasn't too bad.

Most people have unlimited cell so it's only the computers.

[south jackal]

Hopefully there's rate limiting and one person doesn't just ruin it for everyone

Rate limiting? Bandwidth limiting

[wanton lantern]

On a device by device level...

[south jackal]

I'm not a network engineer idk what to call it

Yeah

I hope I bump into some of you! Would be the first time I met any server folks irl

[wanton lantern]

I will be at the PSF boot a fair amount. Look for the guy in the Grumpy shirt and the Yankee cap.

[south jackal]

Look for a grumpy guy in a shirt and yankee cap, got it 😂

[wanton lantern]

Grumpy... The dwarf.

I'll also have some fun badge ribbons. While suppliles last.

[south jackal]

haha I figured, was just teasing

[wanton lantern]

I've had people be confused.

[south jackal]

You could just try looking really grumpy, to cater to people looking for both

[wanton lantern]

I'll keep that in mind.

[grizzled fractal]

so, we've had a conversation not long ago, and i've brought up the idea of returning a bool in set.add (a behavior change) or a new method that adds an item and returns a bool determining if a new item got added.
the result would be True if an element got added, and False if not
it's in order to deal with this pattern:

if x not in seen:
  ...
  seen.add(x)

the problem is that it's a bit repetitive (arguably), and that it hashes x twice
the alternative would be:

if seen.add(x):
  ...

or:

if seen.try_add(x):
  ...

which hashes x once, and is not repetitive (the name try_add is just an example of the new method's name)
later thuri mentioned that this issue was already brought up before, and got rejected:
https://bugs.python.org/issue14320
Raymond Hettinger responded in that thread, and brought up Guido's reasoning:

I think it would actually be reasonable to return a true/false value
here (there are plenty of non-threaded uses for this), except I think
it's too late to change now -- it would just encourage folks from
writing code that works with Python 3.3 but is very subtly broken with
earlier versions. So, -1.

Raymond also gave his reasoning, and i found this section to be interesting:

I consulted with the PyPy developers and found that PyPy is already eliminating double lookups in common cases (it recognizes that the two lookups refer to the same entry and constant folds them).  It cannot do this in the general case because of a potential semantic change (i.e. __eq__ can change the set during the initial lookup).

Looking at Jython, it appears that both sets and dicts are based on Java's concurrent mapping object which doesn't support a boolean result directly but allows the JIT to optimize away the double lookup depending on the JIT and on whether the keys are of all the same type.

perhaps maybe JIT could fix the double hashing problem?
@wanton lantern might be able to confirm this with a JIT maintainer.

editted

[frozen relic]

Wrong channel?

[grizzled fractal]

nope

[grizzled fractal]

that JIT maintainer goes to pycon

Savannah iirc

[grizzled fractal]

want me to remove that? i sent it already to Dan also in pm

[frozen relic]

That's probably much more of a question for #internals-and-peps than #pycon-us, but I can't imagine the JIT will optimize out a call with an observable side effect like that anytime soon. Seems both hard to do and like it might break things

[grizzled fractal]

the idea was that maybe Dan would ask Savannah in person, if he gets the chance to do that and we'd basically maybe get an answer

[spare umbra]

just checked into marriott downtown if anyone wants to meet for a drink

[wanton lantern]

I asked for it to be here so I could find it.

Just landed at LAX.

Willing to share an Uber once I get off the plane.

[ebon scarab]

Are these open invite? It's my first PyCon, and I'd love to meet some folks.

[wanton lantern]

They are open to all.

[ebon scarab]

Unrelated, anyone thinking of checking out the Pride activities this weekend?

[tacit jetty]

I haven't heard about them. Do elaborate.
Though I wouldn't be shocked if PyCon is more gay than the pride event.

[ebon scarab]

From: https://longbeachpride.com/festival/

[ebon scarab]

Sounds like I'll fit in fine then 🤣

[south jackal]

"My code only accepts binary inputs, but I don't! ;)"

[tacit jetty]

I'm not exagurrating when I say that I think 15% of pycon attendees are trans

[ebon scarab]

Certain programming languages seem to accumulate more gender diverse people for sure

[tacit jetty]

last year at pycon, I went to a bar with a bunch of pycon attendees one evening, and an old man (a local--not part of pycon) asked me if I was in town for the furry convention
I think that was wishful thinking on his part.

[ebon scarab]

That was in Pittsburgh right? I suppose that makes some amount of sense with anthrocon and all that.

[south jackal]

I wonder why that is?

Is it just being a newer language?

an active choice to not be gatekeepy?

[ebon scarab]

I wouldn't say Python is new. I'd bet that it has something to do with having a very accepting CoC?

[south jackal]

Not new necessarily, but newer compared to languages like C.

I also somehow assumed Java came first but apparently it did not

[ebon scarab]

Woah, TIL

[south jackal]

yeah, python 1991 while java is 1995. Crazy

So maybe it is the CoC

[lime vine]

i would say the coc is more an outcome of the accepting community. you couldn't bolt the CoC onto another community and have it become welcoming.

[south jackal]

True

Also… parking? Parking gives me anxiety. Will there be good parking?

[tacit jetty]

At the convention center or what?

[south jackal]

Also how late can someone register? Are mid event registrations possible?

[south jackal]

Yeah, hopefully they have enough

[wanton lantern]

We will happily sell you a ticket whenever you arrive.

[south jackal]

Actually my mom heard I was attending and she wanted to attend lol

She’s been wanting to learn for a while

I told her there’s probably zero overlap between what I’m attending and what she would be but she didn’t care

[wanton lantern]

She might still be able to sign up for Al's tutorial teaching basic Python tomorrow. It's an extra $150 though but Al is amazing.

Correction. It's Thursday.

https://us.pycon.org/2026/schedule/presentation/49/

@south jackal

[south jackal]

Yeah, that's the one I want her to hit if she wants to get something out of the conference. The only problem is she still doesn't know if she can attend, it depends on whether or not she's accepted for jury duty tomorrow

[wanton lantern]

Fun. Hopefully she'll be able to come. Al is a great guy and it should be a good tutorial.

[tame basalt]

Al made this trailer video 🙂
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7455325431425216512-WCoN

[minor stone]

alas, discord, what choice of font you must make, for thine glyphs lie adjacent. artificial intelligence sweigart shall be not present 😔

[wanton lantern]

Good morning Long Beach! Let's get this PyCon started!

[south jackal]

Good morning!

Haha I got an email from my presenter about setup instructions before a tutorial. Sent at 4:24am 😂

Let's see if I can bang that out before I arrive

andddd the instructions aren't working. Oh well. I tried

[south jackal]

See you guys soon, Pycon!

[wanton lantern]

Which tutorial?

[south jackal]

Are there parking instructions anywhere that I may have missed

Nvm found

[south jackal]

In case a future colleague/employer is reading these messages, I know how to follow basic instructions, I swear 😭

[tacit jetty]

My flight is tomorrow. My city has two airports and I'm repeatedly visualizing myself going to the right one so I don't mess that up.

[wanton lantern]

What about BWI???

[tacit jetty]

you mean BI?
DC is where the metro goes and Baltimore """"""washington""""""" is not it.

[south jackal]

Omg, it took me SO LONG to be able to read "Must be an experienced Power BI" how it's supposed to be read

I'm like, I find NPH attractive, does that count 🥹

[wanton lantern]

You can find me in the convention center!

[south jackal]

I'll swing by after the tutorial! Are you in the expo hall?

[wanton lantern]

Expo hall doesn't open till tomorrow. I'm hanging by registration for now. TAing Trey's tutorial this afternoon.

[south jackal]

I’ll be the chubby Asian guy who looks like he binges anime and gets startled by sunlight.

[wanton lantern]

Which one? 😜

[ebon scarab]

Anyone want to grab lunch? I don't have a second tutorial today, and otherwise I'm just gonna get nerdsniped by the optimization challenge.

[south jackal]

Wait, optimization challenge?

[ebon scarab]

Yeah, from the performance tutorial

[south jackal]

I wanna be nerdsniped

O

[ebon scarab]

https://github.com/CodSpeedHQ/pyconus-2026-tutorial/blob/main/rounds/3_dna/

[south jackal]

Sorry I missed your message, I also didn’t have a second tutorial and wanted lunch badly.

Also no mom at pycon, she surprisingly got selected for jury duty even though she has had personal experience with the crime…. But I think the judge may have just gotten sick of jury selection taking multiple days from all the jurors getting thrown out

[ebon scarab]

No worries! I'm sure we'll run into each other eventually.

[south jackal]

Would definitely like to run into all of us pydis folks!

[ebon scarab]

Let's try this again, but for dinner!

I'm thinking of going out to kalaveras for 7pm, but I'm pretty flexible about where or when.

[wanton lantern]

Going to the Dodgers game or I would.

[south jackal]

Drat, I’m not around this evening. I think I am for the rest of the conference though!

[spare umbra]

some of the other VC people are going to blind donkey

[silent perch]

@wanton lantern 👋 from the air

[wanton lantern]

Is there a volunteer role?

[silent perch]

Not sure, my name just changed color magically one day 😅

[vale yarrow]

I’ve been trapped at LAX for the past 2 hours due to a bag mixup 🤠

[wanton lantern]

Was asking in general. Yours changed because you're a speaker.

[south jackal]

A speaker is really just a microphone that's backwards

[chilly oxide]

Hello

[south jackal]

Now that I'm thinking about it.... did I ever give my pydis info when signing up for pycon? How did I get the role, lol

and why am I not asleep

[near condor]

Hey everyone im going on saturday excited to go to my first pycon.

How do i get a pycon attendee role?

[crystal solar]

magic

[wanton lantern]

If anyone is around this morning with nothing to do the PSF Booth Fairies could use some help setting up. For reasons we weren't able to start yesterday.

[lime vine]

in the air to LA.....

[terse niche]

anyone else on team FOMO?

I’m going to EuroPython instead of PyCon this year

[lime vine]

you don't have to fear that you are missing out. You ARE missing out 😄

[tacit jetty]

If you're not a US citizen, I get it

One of my European friends doesn't want to visit me for the rest of the current term, and I don't think he'd run into any issues if he did. But I get it

[terse niche]

I am a US citizen, but I only have budget for one conference a year and this year I wanted to go a little further afield

I also get it though

[tacit jetty]

You could just do pycon US every other year so you experience each destination once.

[wanton lantern]

The convention center is filling up with faces new and known! The games are beginning!

Is anyone around?

[ancient burrow]

Yeaaaaah PyCon!!

My favorite conference each year!

[lime vine]

see you soon

[ancient burrow]

Yes! Excited for it.

[frozen relic]

Just landed at LAX. See you all soon 🙂

[south jackal]

I'm kind of bummed, I might have to miss today. I'm expecting an offer soon, but until I have an offer in hand there are some job-lead followups I have to get to, first. Hopefully I can at least make the opening reception.

[forest jetty]

was anyone at the wasm summit? i didnt go but ive built some web stuff. would it be crazy if i said i wanted to make an immediate mode ui renderer for the browser lol

[spare umbra]

yeah what about it

[forest jetty]

what was talked about? i dunno if they have like some minutes or something for summits

[spare umbra]

think you can get the slides from each presenter

[wanton lantern]

Stop by the PSF booth and say hi during the opening reception!

[tacit jetty]

How soon is that? I just landed and it will take a while to get to the center.

[wanton lantern]

Now till 7

[tacit jetty]

Welp

I'll see people tomorrow.
Anyone doing dinner in the vicinity of the center?

I expect to be checked in to my hotel at 8 at the earliest

[crystal solar]

oof

[wanton lantern]

Probably but who knows what.

[strange spindle]

Had a great time at the Educators Summit.

https://gitlab.com/ryeliegh/lighteningtalk

learned so much today.

[wanton lantern]

There is an @lime vine at the PSF booth!

[tacit jetty]

You have to pay to switch train lines here??

And the $20 you pay to get a transit card doesn't go towards the initial balance.

[near condor]

I'll be at pycon on saturday if yall wanna hang or say hi 👋

[lime vine]

i'm noticing the app says friday morning 8:00am, "Coffee". Anyone know if there will be actual food?

[wanton lantern]

No breakfast at all this year. Too many people didn't go in years past and catering is expensive.

[sweet phoenix]

I am the author of Dear ImGui Bundle. You might want to take a look at its playground. It is a pyodide / immediate mode / repl demo around Dear ImGui which I authored.

[glacial zealot]

Yo sup

[fathom chasm]

https://bernat.tech/posts/pycon-us-2026-typing-summit-recap/ in case anyone missed yesterday's typing summit and would like to know what we discussed

[spare umbra]

thanks for deleting

[tacit jetty]

Did someone ping mods?

[rare falcon]

Yes, I had handled it seconds before

[tacit jetty]

Ok

[spare umbra]

hopefully antisemitic messages like that get forwarded beyond discord and to the relevant authorities

[forest jetty]

whoa i was literally just looking at your lib yesterday and here you are. hahaha

this is absolutely sick btw

[sweet phoenix]

Thanks a bunch !

[forest jetty]

8 MB init download on web is rough though. are you aware of any hope to reduce time to first paint

https://github.com/dzaramelcone/necro i made this. it would be nice to disrupt the space

[sweet phoenix]

Well this is about 5 for pyodide and 4.8 for my wheel. I hope to reduce it by about 500K.
By the way feel free to spread the word !

I will definitely test that later tonight.

[forest jetty]

i mean, if we can get something legit for frontend going, i would cook it right into my framework

[crystal solar]

anyone want to go to the aquarium today in the afternoon

https://www.aquariumofpacific.org/visit

[pastel heart]

Dear friends who have python notes if anybody have a notes so send me okay I request you so I need I really need it

[fathom chasm]

The WiFi in the keynote room is unusually unstable even for conference standards, I’m getting around 3% packet loss and avg 250ms latency.

[silent perch]

Lots of people on their phones I expect 😅

[umbral quail]

I was primed to be skeptical of the venue's wiif when I saw the ad for paid better wifi outside the hall doors...

[spare umbra]

ask at reception for the better network

[lime vine]

this keynote seems to be tilting very heavilty toward being an ad.

[stuck reef]

the code sample could at least have been python

[lime vine]

oops, wasn't paying close enough attention to see the code sample

[forest jetty]

I thought this three card was a subscription tier signup page at first

[stuck reef]

it is

[olive ginkgo]

is pycon going to be in Long Beach for the next few years?

[lime vine]

everyone here in the front row (including Guido) is saying "this is terrible, it's just an ad"

[ancient burrow]

Just next year. They change each two years

[lime vine]

PyCon is always in the same city for two years.

[olive ginkgo]

gotcha

[ancient burrow]

I keep waiting for the moment when we’ll learn something cool

[lime vine]

It's great: Year 1: "I've never been to Cleveland, let's explore!" Year 2: "I know all about Cleveland!"

[fathom chasm]

Very much a Fireworks.ai sales pitch, I feel like we’re the businesses team and they’re trying to convince us to sign a contract. I mean it is a valuable product, but would have been better as a sponsored talk than opening keynote.

[olive ginkgo]

lmao, makes sense

[ancient burrow]

^ happened to me in Pittsburgh. Found an incredible sushi chef Y1. Y2 was able to go back to him and he actually remembered me

[stuck reef]

i checked and they're not even sponsoring pycon

[lime vine]

ugh

[umbral quail]

I got so annoyed at walking all the way around to get into the convention center and thought "it was so much better last year!" but then I remembered that I felt the same way two years ago and learned to navigate those blocks by last year :)

anyway, the vibe shift between this and Cory Doctorow's keynote is palpable

[ancient burrow]

I’m a little bit biased but my favorite keynote was @lime vine’s from my first year

[fathom chasm]

Yay Python code, though so many local imports.

[stuck reef]

and old typing syntax

[tacit jetty]

Guys this is just an ad

[tacit jetty]

I saw that too

[ancient burrow]

Real question

Was this music AI generated

[fathom chasm]

Yeah AI generated code tends to use local imports and old import style code by default .

[cerulean breach]

I don't think I've seen this many people walking out of a keynote in a long time. I'm near the back, and there's a noticeable number of people leaving.

[lime vine]

i'm sitting in the second row and am considering it.

[tacit jetty]

Same

[ancient burrow]

I stopped taking notes.

[lime vine]

"Fireworks Confidential" in the keynote

[ancient burrow]

I’m going to leave. There are better things to do with my time.

[cerulean breach]

It's going to be funny going from this keynote to Paolo's talk about AI and open source maintainership. 🙂

[crystal solar]

anyways, 👀

[fathom chasm]

Gives me NVIDIA events keynote vibes with Jensen

[finite tinsel]

!rules pay

[frosty pebble]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[finite pond]

Was was the keynote topic?

(What)

[umbral quail]

https://us.pycon.org/2026/about/keynote-speakers/ click to expand "Your AI Product Doesn't Have A Moat... Yet" for the blurb, but IMO it was even more of a product ad than the blurb implies

[south jackal]

Oh man, I was a little bummed at missing the keynote because I had an interview to take this morning. Guess I didn't miss anything worthwhile

That should be my last conference interruption, though 🙂

[tacit jetty]

There are conferences where that would have been an appropriate keynote but this wasn't it

[south jackal]

It does sound more like it fit a sponsored presentation than a keynote

[tacit jetty]

Why is it so cold here

[south jackal]

Must be for the conference, it's been hot beforehand!

[south jackal]

Hey, I shouldn't stress too much fi there's two talks I want to attend at the same time, right? They'll all wind up online eventually?

[tacit jetty]

Yes. It happens rather quickly

Go to talks that look interesting, but focus on having interesting conversations

[south jackal]

My takeaway, get a spare laptop for pycon that has a good battery life 😅

[spare umbra]

those dudes are notorious for doing this and we were surprised to see them keynoting

they are basically banned from the VC circuit

[south jackal]

How’d they even get to keynote in the first place?

Also, any of you Pydis folks want to grab dinner tonight or some other night of the conference?

[spare umbra]

some fellas doing soho warehouse if we can beat/flyover traffic

[south jackal]

Ooo

[tacit jetty]

That is, they routinely have their employees speak at conferences and misrepresent their intention to do a sales pitch?

[spare umbra]

yeah lol

[tacit jetty]

That's really shitty

[spare umbra]

they will hit up VCs being like "we wanna do a talk at your founders dinner or whatever" then perform their usual antics

[south jackal]

Yeah, I was surprised. I figured they were given like... guidelines on what they could talk about or submit their talk ahead of time for verification or something

[spare umbra]

oh another funny one from their playbook, which was my first interaction (and subsequent personal blacklist):

one of the AEs/reps will chat to you at an event or whatever, surface level conversation, not salesy. week later, they will tag you on linkedin as if you're massively endorsing the company

[south jackal]

O_O

I don't know anything about their product, but this sort of thing is so gross. I'll try to avoid whatever it is they wanted to sell

[tacit jetty]

How do they turn your conversation into that? Do they just quote you as having said things during that conversation that you didn't say?

[spare umbra]

yes exactly, and they frame the post to make it seem like the investor met with the company and expressed approval, rather than just spoke to them for 2 minutes at an event

[tacit jetty]

What the fuck

[spare umbra]

the tag is quite subtle and would easily slip through

[tacit jetty]

What a shitty company. Create a product that speaks for itself, or do something else

[spare umbra]

especially if you're getting 100+ linkedin notifications a day, one random mention on a post will not be noticed

[tacit jetty]

Right

[spare umbra]

the founding team is heavily from meta and they draw a lot on those kinds of biz dev strategies

[south jackal]

Yeah but if it inspires someone they tag to say “actually I hate it, you misrepresented me” sounds like it could backfire

[south jackal]

I’d be down for grabbing dinner sat or sun in the vicinity of the center as long as it isn’t too pricy. Maybe we can rope in some other Pydis folks who don’t want to travel too far afield

[tacit jetty]

That message was from yesterday
I don't have any concrete plans for tonight. I'm at the lightning talks rn

[south jackal]

Ohh I didn’t realize lightning talks were still going, I figured evertything was over after the expo hall closed. I’m still around

[tacit jetty]

Is the Westin the main conference hotel?

[south jackal]

I think Hyatt regency is the other one.

[south jackal]

But yeah there’s quite a few tasty localities at a variety of price points around. Sideburns was pretty tasty, burgers and hot dog joint with vegan options too

[crystal solar]

there are some food trucks nearby that I was interested in

[south jackal]

I’m just chatting on my phone outside because they wouldn’t let me back in lol. I’d be down for hitting a food truck

When you guys are done

[tacit jetty]

@south jackal I left. Are you at the Westin?

[south jackal]

No, I’m just around 🙂 I live a few cities away. I can meet wherever

[tacit jetty]

In a moment I'm going to be outside the main entrance

[south jackal]

Alright I can head up, it’s where we all came in, right?

[tacit jetty]

Right

[crystal solar]

I'll head to the main entrance 👀

[tacit jetty]

I like waiting for people in public spaces so that I can practice being an NPC

[south jackal]

Lmao

I ran a dnd session where players were trapped in a game world and they slowly became more npc like the longer they stayed in

[tacit jetty]

That's pretty meta

[south jackal]

Alright do we all meet up near the main entrance and try to guess who is who?

[tacit jetty]

I'm pretty identifiable. Very green (but also slightly pink today)

[south jackal]

I’ll use the same self deprecating description I gave Dan. A chubby Asian guy that looks like he binges anime and is startled by sunlight

Are you by the blue pole stel

[tacit jetty]

Has anyone noticed unpleasant smells outside? I think it's coming from the palm trees

[near condor]

Guys do i need the pycon app for pycon?

[south jackal]

I had no idea there was one

[trail mantle]

not needed but i found it useful.
not the best ui, but it does allow me to look at all the events and star the ones im interested in.

[south jackal]

nice

[wanton lantern]

You can also use it to add things to your calendar.

Stop by the PSF booth in the expo hall tomorrow to say "Hi!" before it closes. I'm the guy in the Yankee cap and the Grumpy shirt will all the badge ribbons.

[wanton lantern]

Don't forget that this morning's keynote will be in Spanish!!! There will be LLM "translation" you can stream (bring headphones) and live English captions.

[ancient burrow]

Lightning talks at 8!!!

[tame prawn]

I'm trying to host an open space today - I haven't gotten a notification about signing up for a room today, nor do I see anything scheduled for today except the fun run: https://us.pycon.org/2026/schedule/open-spaces/#May16 . Anyone know what is going on?

[wanton lantern]

Try here.

https://us.pycon.org/2026/schedule/open-spaces/signup/

[cerulean breach]

That doesn't let me sign up either. It says to click on a + where there's an available room, but there are no + to click. Open spaces are managed really oddly. There are multiple views that I only ever see when someone who seems to know where to click shares a link. There are multiple ways to sign up, but they are made available at hard to predict times. I know there are reasons for doing it this way, but it's quite unintuitive.

[stuck reef]

apparently signups open at 8

[tame prawn]

Yeah, signups are open now. Thanks everyone.

[cerulean breach]

I'm hosting an open space about chess at 11:00 in room 202A. If you're looking to meet Python people who also play chess, please stop by!

[wanton lantern]

Just a reminder that all the plenary stuff is in the Pacific Ballroom/arena no matter what the app says.

[wanton lantern]

Our own @lime vine is doing a juggling open space this afternoon!

https://hachyderm.io/@nedbat/116584987016774916

Ned Batchelder (@[e-mail])

Juggling open space today at 3:45 (start of the afternoon break) in the hall outside room 103.

Join us, we will teach you! No one has ever regretted it!!

#PyCon #PyConUS

Hachyderm.io · May 16, 2026, 3:35 PM

[lime vine]

sorry about the screaming, i couldn't help myself.

[wanton lantern]

Don't apologize for being excited about doing something fun!

[lime vine]

I think maybe @outer zenith is a bit deaf in the left ear right now....

[outer zenith]

That's okay. It's why I have two ears. Redundant design.

[tacit jetty]

I don't imagine that Pablo will (nor should) compress his keynote into 15 minutes

[spice sky]

Does anyone have the wordly session id?

[umbral quail]

https://attend.wordly.ai/join/LRAU-3054

I love the attempted translation of "maintainers" as "jewelers"

[ancient burrow]

I wish this keynote had been the opening keynote

[ancient burrow]

Damn what an incredible talk

[tacit jetty]

Pablo's talk was touching. Everyone who didn't attend should watch it when it's posted.

[lime vine]

Pablo's talk is one for the ages (to over-extend the metaphor)

[wanton lantern]

I look forward to watching it when I have the mental bandwidth to deal with translations.

[tacit jetty]

The translation (which was text only) frequently rewrote itself. Which makes sense, but it was kinda hard to follow. But there were a lot of English language quotes in the slides that made it a lot easier to anchor ones interpretation.

[near condor]

Anyone know where to park?

[forest jetty]

I didn’t need to follow too closely bc of the slides. I could feel his emotion and authenticity. Probably what is resonating for all.

[tacit jetty]

There's a garage entrance on pine ave

[near condor]

Ah i found parking thanks though

I have arrived

[south jackal]

I can't wait to review the videos after. There were a lot of talks where I couldn't decide between two happening at the same time

[near condor]

Im eating lunch anyone wanna join me?

[wanton lantern]

I am currently in the first talk of the conference outside the plenary.

[south jackal]

I hope it went well! Which one did you hit?

Went well/was interesting

Also do you think the PSF is going to upload the sales pitch keynote 💀

[wanton lantern]

Mariatta's no spreadsheets talk. Very interesting.

[wanton lantern]

I don't know and I'm afraid to ask.

[south jackal]

Oh! I took a quiz that had prizes if you got all the questions right, in the expo hall, at the jetbrains booth. I got at least one question wrong. I suspect it may have been the one about which city didn't have a PyLadies chapter. I think I guessed Kansas City

I was soooooo tempted yesterday to walk up to Microsoft's/Github's booth and ask them when they were going to fix Github Actions

(I still just might >.>)\

[south jackal]

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Sorry about that

My computer is so excited about the conference it wanted to talk to all of you as well

Although it mainly wanted to express its own frustrations about GitHub Actions

[finite tinsel]

what happend?

[south jackal]

What really happened was sandwich crumbs falling on my keyboard

But my frustration with GitHub Actions is that as a primarily scientific developer my general tooling knowledge is a bit weak and GitHub Actions were the main CI/CD tooling I was familiar with, so am worried with the increased unreliability of Github actions I'm going to be a weaker jobs candidate and would love them to be fixed instead of learning something else

This conference has been great for seeing a lot of other tooling in action, though!

I'm really excited about messing around with AirFlow more after the conference

Even picked up some more PyCharm tips from the jetbrains booth

[finite tinsel]

Github Actions is a great CI/CD tool. I hope they will fix some of the recent regression when it comes to stability and reliability

[umbral quail]

I think one of the real problems with GHA is GitHub using their position as owner of the PR page to crush the competition like Travis/Circle/etc. that had to do its own integrations, and competition drying up, and so I think a consequence is it will stay the de facto standard for a long while yet, even as much as people are unhappy with it, and skills for it won't go to waste

(crushing the competition was, to be clear, an entirely sensible business decision, it's unfortunate for the community but I'm not claiming it was unusually evil or anything)

[tacit jetty]

Like what?

[south jackal]

I learned how to use AI tooling in PyCharm. Which I probably need to increase my comfort level doing

I also learned that I was apparently only like 1 of 5 people who actually used PyCharm Professional exclusive features so that's why Pycharm Pro is getting phased out

[tacit jetty]

So who isn't going to the auction tonight?

[tame basalt]

Travis did also kind of crush themselves...

[umbral quail]

pyladies auction is great but I cannot come home with a second steel drum :)

[minor stone]

then get a third

[lime vine]

i am not

[south jackal]

Hey, is there a lightning talk schedule somewhere? There's a lightning talk I want to hit tonight but not sure which room it is in and haven't found a schedule thus far

[tacit jetty]

I'm interested to attach myself to other people's plans for after the lightning talks

[south jackal]

Same here ^

[tacit jetty]

It's in the app calendar item for the lightning talks

[umbral quail]

all the lightning talks are in the pacific ballroom (keynote room)

[south jackal]

Ah okay, in the app, not on the....

Wait, what? I thought the schedule said they were in mujltiple rooms. Okay, if they're in the same area that is easier

[umbral quail]

lightning talks are one after another on a single stage. (maybe you're thinking of open spaces, which are all over the place?)

[south jackal]

Maybe. Either way, doesn't matter, if they're all in the pacific ballroom that makes things easier

[spice sky]

Kind of a double edged sword. Things like trusted publishing also make it harder to use anything else.

[south jackal]

It’s nothing new from Microsoft. I hated in the past when they would buy up rights to certain franchises/games to reduce competition only to sit on them and do nothing.

Completely kills momentum, most won’t remember the game 20 years down the road or whenever it expires

But those are old wounds I’ve mostly gotten over

[wanton lantern]

I donated a 3D printed keychain and a lightly used PlayDate. They're both pretty small.

[wanton lantern]

5:45 in the arena/pacific ballroom.

[south jackal]

I was under the mistaken assumption that lightning talks took place in multiple halls with different talks at each one, lol.

[forest jetty]

That’d be a lot of running around!

Maybe you’re thinking of open spaces

[south jackal]

I think I saw 104 ABC and assumed separate talks were happening in each one as opposed to the spaces being collapsed together

[wanton lantern]

Refresh the app.

104ABC is 1 room, FWIW.

[tacit jetty]

You have to do a total hike to get to the main stage

[south jackal]

See this is what the location said 😦

[wanton lantern]

Yeah... There have been... Issues with that in the app. I don't know what to tell you. Refresh and it should have the right information.

All plenrary things (lightning talks, keynotes, etc.) are in the pacific ballroom/arena space.

[south jackal]

Oh it’s fine. I eventually got the right information and made it to the right place :). technical snafus happen!

[outer zenith]

Glad I made it into the hall in time for Ned's talk. Just sat here smiling the whole time. 😁

[tacit jetty]

@lime vine I appreciated that talk, as someone who rarely gets a word in during group conversations.

[south jackal]

I also thought it was a great talk! Gave me something to think about. I know I sometimes talk to fill awkwardness.

[outer zenith]

☝️ I think many of us do. Sitting in silence for a few moments can require concious effort.

[crystal solar]

I missed it 😦

[south jackal]

You can get part of it by sitting silently for five minutes

[lime vine]

thanks all!

[south jackal]

Did anyone who isn’t going to the auction want to grab dinner somewhere nearby?

I’m so glad I decided to come this year. It’s been a blast thus far.

[ebon scarab]

I could be convinced.

Unless you decided to go to the auction after all

[south jackal]

I think auctions are more fun when you arent broke 😛

[ebon scarab]

Very true

[tacit jetty]

The items being auctioned also aren't very valuable, from what I understand. So you're not competing to get a good deal

[south jackal]

Anything you had in mind? If nobody responded I was going to go grab a burger at Sideburns

It’s about 7 minute drive from the venue I think?

I may be able to drive people if I take a little time to clean my car so it’s less embarrassing

[ebon scarab]

Hm, that's a bit of a trek! I'll probably grab something closer, but don't let that influence where you want to go :3

[south jackal]

No problem!

I’m actually pretty wiped out lol. The conference is kind of both energizing and exhausting

[south jackal]

Some of the talks made me feel so seen. Like the lightning talk about TTRPGs. I have written more code than I care to admit to simulate dice rolls, spell casts, etc. either to help friends with dyscalculia or to prove a point

[wanton lantern]

In this case, you're wrong.

[wanton lantern]

You're competing to give more money to PyLadies.

[wanton lantern]

Anyone want to grab breakfast in the morning before the keynote?

[fathom chasm]

Wrote up a summary of the Packaging Summit that was organized on Friday if anyone's curious about it, https://bernat.tech/posts/pycon-us-2026-packaging-summit-recap/ Thanks!

[south jackal]

Thank you! I am curious about what went on with the summits

[modern lily]

Hi, everyone. I am Declane. I am intersted in Python. How can I help you with my knowledge?

[near condor]

Do you guys know if they'll have breakfast at pycon?

[wanton lantern]

No breakfast at the conference at all.

[near condor]

Thats unfortunate

[wanton lantern]

Anyone up and want to grab breakfast in half an hour or so?

[near condor]

Im down in fullerton currently. About to start the commute to pycon.

[wanton lantern]

If anyone is interested I will be at &Waffles at 8.

[wanton lantern]

I am at &Waffles on the patio if anybody is interested.

[lime vine]

I am at the lightning talks if anyone is interested

[ancient burrow]

Great sequel talk this year - finding cat emojis using AI

Check out the talk from last year which was about cat emojis - it was great

[tacit jetty]

Do the lightning talks get posted later?

[lime vine]

yes

[tacit jetty]

This music is going to put me back to sleep

[wanton lantern]

Not this music, I hope.

[tacit jetty]

It was the atmospheric music before the intro video

[wanton lantern]

I know.

[tacit jetty]

They're going to say thanks to Google?
Inb4 Corey Doctorow

[umbral quail]

my new conspiracy theory is the first-day keynote was an intentional 4d chess move to embarrass the AI accelerationists in the light of the later keynotes

(I don't actually think this is true but it's interesting how all the later keynotes are being seen in contrast to that one)

[forest jetty]

I am hearing so much pain and anger at this pycon and I know Anthropic is listening. NOONE is working on the problem of wealth inequality and yet another exponential you are not bragging about is how you will make this problem even worse. Please do something - and I don’t just mean free Claude max subscriptions. Real science on this problem the same way you worked so hard to eliminate our labor opportunities. It’s not just going to fall out of the sky!! Same to you, Google and OpenAI. Thank you.

[south jackal]

I wonder who is more likely to listen and help. Regulatory bodies/legislatures/the offending companies themselves

[finite pond]

Watch doctorow's keynote last year. I think answer is neither: us regulatory bodies have been absent for decades

Even on matters which should have reasonable consensus, like consumer privacy

[south jackal]

I know. I’m not optimistic. Best case is regulatory bodies in other countries spreading (that's how we got data privacy, from the EU)

My intent would probably have been framed better as who is less/least likely to help

I try to be positive for my mental health but it’s often self delusion

[tacit jetty]

For this convention center, I like that the expo hall is close to the lecture halls. But the main stage is practically in a different building.

[frozen relic]

Yeah, I liked the Pittsburgh convention center better

But this location is much nicer

Who's staying for sprints? 👀

[tacit jetty]

Keith is

You're doing a memray sprint?

[stuck reef]

I am

[frozen relic]

yep, I'll be leading one for Memray and PyStack

[spice sky]

I will be! Thinking Beeware one day, Django the other.

I’m excited for it. Did CPython last year.

[frozen relic]

nice!

[spice sky]

Very grateful to MIT for sending me.

[near condor]

Had a great time meeting people at pycon

Will definitely be going again next time it is in california.

[lime vine]

it's in Long Beach again next year

[near condor]

Ill be going again next year then

[spice sky]

Your lightning talk was excellent. Especially good advice for nerdy folk who had to make an effort to become comfortable speaking in social spaces.

[tacit jetty]

I'm apprehensive about what pycon will be like in 2028.

[spice sky]

Care to expand on that?

[tacit jetty]

International attendance is way down which means that revenue is down. PyCon is a source of revenue for the PSF

They haven't made plans for 2028 yet, because they need to figure out how they can make it work under these circumstances.

The contracts for 2027 I believe are already locked in.

[lime vine]

thanks!

[forest jetty]

Why not do it outside US lol

[spice sky]

Gotcha. Always problems to be overcome. I have faith in the company community and will do what I can to

[forest jetty]

I feel like Python has scandi vibes let’s do it there hehe

[lime vine]

there are lots of Python conferences outside the US, including EuroPython in Krakow in July

[tacit jetty]

The PSF is a non profit in the US. It would be very untrivial to collect money in a different country

[lime vine]

https://pycon.se/ ?

[tacit jetty]

I predicted that the next host city would be in Canada, but apparently that's been taken all the way off the table.

[spice sky]

Pity I would enjoy that.

[stuck reef]

PyCon has been in Canada before

[forest jetty]

Hm maybe there could be a way for PSF to cooperate with these orgs to address the red tape

[forest jetty]

this I mean

[lime vine]

yes, it was in Montreal in 2014 and 2015, and I think some of the experience from then has made the difficulties clear. The other aspect of this is that just as some people are not comfortable traveling to the US, some US people will not be comfortable leaving the US and then trying to re-enter.

[umbral quail]

yeah, I loved PyCon "US" in Montreal, sad if they can't do it again

[lime vine]

(BTW, I am repeating what I heard yesterday at the PSF members' lunch)

[umbral quail]

hm, yeahc very true re US resident folks re entering, and would be unfortunate to effectlively not have a PyCon they can attend

[forest jetty]

yea. heh

[spice sky]

The state of our border enforcement regime is shameful and embarrassing and I don’t blame people for being cautious.

[strange pike]

For pythonistas in long beach tonight, come draft magic for a good cause!

https://mathstodon.xyz/@crazy4pi314/116592442469036729

Sarah Kaiser (@[e-mail])

#PyConUS folks!

✅ Do you like #magicthegathering ?
✅ Are you free tonight at 7pm?

Join the unofficial PyCon #mtg charity draft supporting Trans Lifeline!

YOU BRING:
25$ (or more) donation to Trans Lifeline
give.translifeline.org/campaig…

I'LL BRING:
The rest of the cards and supplies for the draft

We'll be pick 2 drafting Secrets of Strixhaven in the lobby of the Hayatt Regency next to the convention venue starting at 7pm. No recent magic experience needed, we can teach and this is a casual, fun event 💕

#PyConUS2026

Mathstodon · May 17, 2026, 11:11 PM

[tacit jetty]

Did anyone take a pic of the fake questions?

[tacit jetty]

Is list[A, B] even a valid annotation?

[frozen relic]

No

[spice sky]

comedic license.

[lime vine]

i didn't know AIs were released under a comedic license

[frozen relic]

I also caught a picture of the captions

[tacit jetty]

I don't see a compelling reason to grow the stdlib now that it's so easy to install stuff

[frozen relic]

I'd rather see either a better HTTP client lib or the removal of http.client

We shouldn't have a difficult to use, under-featured HTTP client, IMO

[crystal solar]

kill http.server

[tacit jetty]

Also we know that Guido stepped down as BDFL because he didn't like being singularly responsible for decisions that will always be disliked by some number of people

But I wonder by what year external pressures might have required python to become more democratic. Because it wouldn't be reasonable for one person to have unlimited decision making power over something as critical as Python is in 2026.

[frozen relic]

Ooh, that one's bold... I use http.server pretty often

[crystal solar]

oh?

[ancient burrow]

I think one big reason that people don’t always think about is situations where people ONLY have access to the standard library and nothing else

[tacit jetty]

When even is that

[frozen relic]

python -m http.server is a great way to quickly get access to files in a VM or container from outside it

[ancient burrow]

Example: You work at a bank. Your corporate IT approved Python … and nothing else

[tacit jetty]

If a bank doesn't have an internal pypi mirror, the FDIC should drop them

[crystal solar]

yeah I've used it to get webhook notifications

[tacit jetty]

Sorry depositors

[ancient burrow]

No I’m saying like… these companies don’t let you use ANY external packages. Period.

Like they approved “you use Python and nothing else”

[spice sky]

Why? People use that a LOT.

[spice sky]

Or infosec perps who leverage it for “living off the land”

[lime vine]

Python's new motto: "No tentacle overseers"

[spice sky]

Pythonic Great Old ones 🙂

[lime vine]

Who's up for dinner tonight?

[spice sky]

I’d love to.

[ancient burrow]

Ya

[tacit jetty]

[crystal solar]

i haven't thought about it too much, but I rarely use it. I didn't know there were a lot of smaller uses that make installing a "real" web server a bit annoying

I'd be down to get dinner after the ice cream selfie open space

[tacit jetty]

Is the ice cream free?

[lime vine]

it's a walk to a nearby store, so no

[tacit jetty]

Wow

[crystal solar]

I gotchu (up to a reasonable amount)

[tacit jetty]

You don't need to buy me ice cream lol.

Thanks though

[lime vine]

i like the idea of the ice-cream walk but it feels like it's going to become huge and therefore difficult

[tacit jetty]

Shout out to us!!!!!!!

[crystal solar]

yeah. I guess that is the downside. might be waiting a while for ice cream

[spice sky]

@lime vine any thoughts on where & when?

[lime vine]

my impulse is to stay close. I have to be headed to LAX by about 8. Since the ice-cream trek is a variable, let's meet by the LBC sign just outside the plenary area, to see what's going on there first:

[frozen relic]

I've gotta stick around here at least long enough to give a sprintro

[lime vine]

when are those over, do you know?

[frozen relic]

they should start right after this closing ceremony, but then it's just a question of how close to the start of the line of people I wind up 😆

[lime vine]

the ice cream isn't leaving until 5:45 I think, and we might skip it so let's stay loose and try to make it happen.

[crystal solar]

I am not that attached to it, either

[tacit jetty]

I'm at the LBC

[spice sky]

I’ll head there now wasn’t sure if folks were staying for confs & sprints

Wearing a tie dye

[pastel sand]

There is a group waiting at the registration lounge

We will meet you folks at the cremery

[tacit jetty]

What creamery did you all go to?

[ancient burrow]

Was really great seeing all of you again this year

[wanton lantern]

I'm sprinting on CPython and have put up a PR! Why do they let me do these things???

https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/150026#issuecomment-4482129544

[stuck reef]

did you get a chance to talk to Eric Smith?

he is the maintainer of dataclasses and was here earlier

PR looks reasonable to me but I'll defer to him

[wanton lantern]

I did not. I was working with Cody and he couldn't find Eric and I'm not sure I have met him. I'm sitting with Tim Hatch now and he helped me push up the PR

[lime vine]

tell Tim I said hi

[wanton lantern]

Will do.

[lime vine]

if it isn't clear yet, he and I work together on the same team.

[wanton lantern]

Tim says "Hi" back.

[urban lark]

We belive in you Dan!!
Don’t doubt yourself!

[wanton lantern]

Y'all gonna be runnin' my code once 3.16 comes around!

[ancient burrow]

Hey let’s go!!!

[wanton lantern]

I'm so glad I got a chance to meet some of you. I'm sorry I didn't get to meet all of you! I think next year we should do a PyDis open space so we can try to actually all meet up!

[lime vine]

we've done that in the past, and our dinner during the ice cream selfie was pydis-originated at least if not properly coordinated as a full pydis event

[tacit jetty]

I did a pydis open space once. Some people were confused that it wasn't about making discord bots. And then I wasn't really sure what all of us were supposed to talk about.
But you know what they say about bringing things back by popular demand.

[lime vine]

open spaces can be awkward if no one is setting a topic and keeping the conversation going.

[placid palm]

need a real life !topic command

[maiden egret]

Is there any specific channel for people in school learning Python? I am struggling with understanding loops

[tacit jetty]

Pretty much the whole server. Try #python-discussion or #❓｜how-to-get-help

[maiden egret]

Thank you

[south jackal]

I think it being my first convention as an adultin decades as well as needing to commute an hour to and from made me less social/participatory than I'd like, but hopefully next year I can meet more people from pydis and attend more stuff during and in the evenings after. May even be inspired to give a lightning talk now that I've seen some of them!

[wanton lantern]

So much of the conference happens outside the conference center. It's actually kinda surprising how much is at dinners and in the hotel lobbies in the evenings.

[spare umbra]

someone wrote a $500k preseed check during one of the after parties lol

was surprised no one from the server expressed any interest in going, seeing some of the best talent and startups in one room was fun

[lime vine]

i didn't hear about any afterparties

[spare umbra]

i was messaging quite a few nights in this channel with the location and inviting others to join

[lime vine]

I missed them, i was out friday night

to be fair, i'm not much of an afterparty person

esp the kind where VCs write checks

[spare umbra]

hanging out at a bar is pretty tame compared to others ive been too

and people get written checks over drinks a fair amount on the west coast from my experience

[lime vine]

it sounds great if it's the kind of thing you want to attend.

i'm not looking to hang out with the best talent and startups

[spare umbra]

fair enough, some of these people are doing pretty state of the art stuff with python, and it's incredible to see how far the ecosystem can go

like they're contributing pretty significantly to open source packages and tooling as part of their work, not sure why it wouldn't be worth talking to them

[wanton lantern]

I didn't even hear about that. The only afterparty I heard about was Revsys and I know they ain't giving that kind of money to anyone. Didn't go to it though. Did dinner and then a private party.

[lime vine]

different people are looking for different things, that's all

[ancient burrow]

There are also always people hanging out in the lobbies

Python Board Gamers hang out every night

This year we converged at the Hyatt Regency

[wanton lantern]

Did I play anything with you and not realize?

[ancient burrow]

Poooossibly???

Asian guy with long hair

[wanton lantern]

Yankees cap, grumpy shirt. Really (REALLY) long badge with ribbons.

[ancient burrow]

WEll - even if we didn't play games - maybe next time :D

[wanton lantern]

Definitely.

And now that I'm back from PyCon I can wear PyCon shirts 😃

[sullen bolt]

I missed meeting up with people from the server but it was a great PyCon.

[lime vine]

How many grumpy shirts do you have? It looks well-worn, but you aren't wearing just one shirt all weekend, are you?

[pale field]

Hey everyone 👋
I’m into tactical games, late-night chats, music, memes, and meeting cool people from around the world. Always down for gaming, VC, and making new friends on Discord 😄
If you’re chill, funny, and active, send me a message — let’s vibe and build a fun community together!

[lime vine]

hi, nice to meet you. This server has many channels. It's better to stick to the topic of the channel. If you don't get an immediate response, wait before posting again.

[pale field]

Ok

[wanton lantern]

I brought 7 unique Grumpy shirts. There are another few that didn't make the cut.

[lime vine]

i don't mean to resurrect a thread, but this has been rattling around in the back of my mind. PyCon shows the breadth of the Python world. Lots of people are there for things other than the Next Big Thing, or to get a business off the ground. I'm more likely to hang out with community builders or core team members, for example. It's great that one conference can feel like home to people with such diverse interests.

[spare umbra]

VC is pretty centred around community and the events I attended were in support of that

This server does seem to turn its nose up quite a bit when the topic comes up, but a lot of the open source communities we work with and support (financially & through events) benefit the ecosystem greatly

[lime vine]

can you say more about how they are centered around community? About this server: it skews very young, and very open source, and forbids discussion of paid work, so it's not the most fertile ground.

and tbh, many engineers have an aversion to being sold things, or having to sell things.

[spare umbra]

No one is asking for paid work? Or for engineers to sell or buy anything?

[lime vine]

you said "when the topic comes up": what topic did you mean?

[spare umbra]

One example I can publicly discuss is Anthropic's recent $1.5M donation to the python foundation. You had someone in this channel complaining about being forced to use it, despite python directly being tied to that company now.

[lime vine]

yes, many people are opposed to AI. Also, the donation was no strings attached, so I wouldn't say Python is directly tied to Anthropic any more than they are any other sponsor.

We are all grateful for the sponsorships.

[spare umbra]

#python-discussion message

$1.5M is fairly non-material

[lime vine]

yes, that was a joke riffing on his joke about "startup ideas": was there a problem with that joke?

and what does non-material mean?

[spare umbra]

I'm not saying there was a problem, and the implication that I did is unusual

[lime vine]

i'm sorry, i'm lost.

why did you link to my VC comment?

I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize.

[spare umbra]

Because I don't understand the reasoning behind this and the implication that people attending the conference under another capacity are trying to get a business off the ground or whatever

It doesn't make sense to bring the topic back to discussion, question me, then get confused when I answer

[lime vine]

i said "get a business off the ground" because you mentioned that someone had written a large check at one of the after parties.

[stuck reef]

like ned I'm also confused what you're trying to say

[spare umbra]

That doesn't mean that individual came to the conference with that intention in mind

[lime vine]

to be fair, i didn't include a question. I was celebrating the diversity of reasons people were at PyCon.

and coming to PyCon because people make deals there is a fine reason to go to PyCon.

[spare umbra]

None of the people I attended with were there for dealmaking

[lime vine]

ok, you seemed impressed by this: #pycon-us message

[lime vine]

I'm not judging you or questioning you.

[spare umbra]

Yes because it was unexpected

[lime vine]

ok, cool

[spare umbra]

The message implied that myself and some select others were there for the "Next Big Thing", which isn't true and really understates our contributions to the foundation and the side events

[lime vine]

You said (#pycon-us message), "not sure why it wouldn't be worth talking to them", and I was just ruminating on the variety of reasons people at PyCon and the different types of people that will clump together for different reasons.

[lime vine]

i'm not trying to understate anything. I don't know who you are or what you have contributed. Whatever it is, thank you.

I'm am a huge fan of companies supporting Python. I worked to get my employer to sponsor at a higher level this year.

[spare umbra]

We work with a select number of CVCs who are material sponsors

[lime vine]

that sounds great. Whatever people can do to get companies to support Python, I am in favor of.

i'm sorry that i wasn't clear enough. I wasn't trying to challenge you.

[spare umbra]

It's ok I misunderstood on my end

[south jackal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Envy-envy-team-teamenvy-nGoL1fizDLmHdwycqq

[blissful latch]

HelloWorld("print")

[patent portal]

@sharp saddle

[sharp saddle]

hi

[brave warren]

pycon-eu when?

[lime vine]

July: https://ep2026.europython.eu/

[brave warren]

Poland 😔

[lime vine]

why is that sad?

[brave warren]

because it's Poland bro

[rare falcon]

Looking forward to it, I always wanted to see Krakow

[rare falcon]

What is that supposed to mean?

[lime vine]

i don't have enough context. You seem to not like Poland for some reason.

[brave warren]

that is reason enough

[lime vine]

i guess there are close-minded people everywhere

[brave warren]

plus travelling abroad? In this economy?

[lime vine]

you asked about pycon in europe. where are you traveling from?

[brave warren]

man

nah I was just wondering if there was a pycon europe soon purely out of interest

[lime vine]

ok, question answered

[brave warren]

yeah

[lime vine]

there are many PyCons: https://pycon.org/, scroll down on that page.

[brave warren]

there's no pycon uk this year 😔

but there's a pycon Uganda what the actual-

[lime vine]

that surprises you?

[brave warren]

yeah I'm kinda suprised there's a pycon in a pretty out-of-the-way country without a major services economy

[lime vine]

we're all learning all the time. Also, Uganda isn't out of the way for people that live near it, and it might have more services than you think.

[brave warren]

huh interesting, the more you know I guess

"Who killed captain alex?" is the greatest piece of media ever created, hollywood is yet to catch up

so that checks out tbh

[wanton lantern]

If anyone's interrested I put together some thoughts and highlights on this year's PyCon.

https://brassnet.biz/blog/my-pycon-us-2026.html

[urban lark]

Hey, something seems to be wrong, its yellow
But more seriously, glad you had fun

(not even enough to have a conversation, but enough words hear and there)
The idiom is https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/here and there
Also, on https://brassnet.biz/blog/contributing-to-cpython.html, your [issue] link links to 7941, but that's a backported PR; your PR references issue 79413

[wanton lantern]

Thanks. Fixed both of them.

[lime vine]

I also have reflections on the event: https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202605/pycon_us_2026

[tacit jetty]

Deb Nicholson pointed out that some US citizens would not be comfortable leaving the US and then trying to get back in
are you sure she said "US citizens"? I would think green card and work/student visa holders would be most implicated here.

[lime vine]

true, she might not have said citizens. It should be "people in the US", but citizens don't get a free pass anyway.

[tacit jetty]

right

[lime vine]

I'm changing the word

[tacit jetty]

what do you think the PSF can do for the time being? I'd be willing to pay more until international attendance returns to normal.

[lime vine]

i really don't know. They want the conference to remain affordable. Probably the easiest way to pay more is to donate to the PSF.

[tacit jetty]

they can at least increase the corporate rate, since pycon is already less expensive than most professional conferences. and that's just forcing corporations to donate to the PSF, which they already should.

and then they can keep the individual/non-profit and student rates the same.

[lime vine]

I like this idea. I know most companies wouldn't blink at a higher rate.

[wanton lantern]

Part of the issue is that the Long Beach contract was signed before COVID. It was an expensive place then and it got more expensive. The decline in international attendance exacerbated what would already have been a difficult year.

[tacit jetty]

yeah, idk if anything can be done for 2027

[wanton lantern]

I have been informed that the next location will be significantly less expensive. With that, I have no insight as to where it is.

[tacit jetty]

we're going back to pittsburgh, friends!

[wanton lantern]

Baltimore!!!

That way we can BMore 😀 in PyCharmCity

You don't want a PyCon where you can sleep in your own bed?

[tacit jetty]

I wouldn't be able to in that scenario

and I can't imagine that pycon will return to DC (its inaugural city) in the forseeable future.

[wanton lantern]

I doubt it. And, TBH, I am not sure it would qualify as less expensive than Long Beach.

[tacit jetty]

probably not

inb4 detroit

[wanton lantern]

Detroit would work. Milwaukee. Charleston. Raleigh.

Hartford. All I know is eastern half of the country based on flip flopping sides.

[frozen relic]

I'd rather have the hotel room than have to commute, tbh. Even if PyCon was in my city, I'd get a hotel near the convention center, at least for the talks days

[wanton lantern]

Depends on finances, TBH. I'd be ~25 minutes away so not too bad for commute. If I'm covering it I think I would rather do that than spend $2K or so on a hotel.

[ancient burrow]

MINNEAPOLIS!!!!!!!!!

🙏

[wanton lantern]

Could be.

[ancient burrow]

[tame basalt]

Yes, could do something like North Bay Python, that has the usual individual and corporate at $100 or $200 or so, and then a premium "fancy armchair" tixketbwhere you could select your own comfy chair for like $1,000. That might not exactly work for PyCon, but some sort of premium ticket for those who can expense such a thing.

[lime vine]

Tbh i don't think you even need to do that. A lot of these companies are just not price-sensitive