auctions-general

[novel furnace]

see

[warm thunder]

ok i will use it

[brittle carbon]

GMT with daylight savings is BST

GMT is constant

[novel furnace]

yes

[warm thunder]

this good?

[novel furnace]

that is gmt

[brittle carbon]

yep

[warm thunder]

there is 2 technically

[brittle carbon]

CUT

[warm thunder]

CUT or gmt

ok

[brittle carbon]

CUT = UTC

the letters just moved

[warm thunder]

this shi way too advanced bro 💀

[novel furnace]

Coordinated Universal Time

vs

Universal Time Coordinated

[brittle carbon]

Universal Time Coordination
Coordinated Universal Time

yes lol

[warm thunder]

lookin good?

[brittle carbon]

that way you're immune to daylight saving issues and it'll always be right

no

it' 7pm UTC

is when it closes

so your alarm would be late

[warm thunder]

oh its 9 pm for me so i forgor

so 6:45

[brittle carbon]

Bidding closes at 7PM UTC

So yeah

[warm thunder]

ok now this looks good

[novel furnace]

yes

better

[brittle carbon]

yep that should work!

[warm thunder]

perfect now i not gonna lose this

[novel furnace]

i should put together a ping list

[brittle carbon]

[novel furnace]

and start pinging people for auctions

[warm thunder]

yes pls

[novel furnace]

@earnest slate @oak whale DONT FORGET TO BID

[warm thunder]

i agree

[novel furnace]

!!!!

[brittle carbon]

we literally do that every week

[novel furnace]

LOL

[oak whale]

ITS WEDNESDAY

[brittle carbon]

id:customize

[warm thunder]

ping me too pls 🙏

[warm thunder]

broop

istg i dont get pings fromitt

[brittle carbon]

get the auctions status role

[warm thunder]

i have it

i literally dont get the pings

[brittle carbon]

discord pings suck

[warm thunder]

fr

[novel furnace]

real

[brittle carbon]

sometimes they're like an hour late

[novel furnace]

pings

[warm thunder]

discord bad

(as always ofc)

[grizzled geyser]

Ong

[warm thunder]

guys

vultr or digitalocean

[grizzled geyser]

Neither

[oak whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhhh-its-wednesday-my-dudes-mirror-selfie-gif-5446149

[grizzled geyser]

No idea what those are

[warm thunder]

why lol

[warm thunder]

its cloud hosting brah

[novel furnace]

EARLY BIRD GETS THE WORM

🐦 🪱

[grizzled geyser]

Mb

[brittle carbon]

@oak whale add a recurring .ics event to the status pings that people can import to their calendar which will automatically recur ever week at 7pm UTC

[warm thunder]

that would be smart

guys everyone who knows bots and cloud stuff would yall recommend digitalocean or vultr?

vultr costs less

and still has amd epyc and shit ykyk

[brittle carbon]

what are you hosting?

[novel furnace]

I used vultr for a long time

and do

personally preferred vultr

[warm thunder]

mainly just a discord bot, and some side projects

[brittle carbon]

get a hetzner dedi in hetzner auctions

[warm thunder]

i have that rn but i dont like

too slow

[novel furnace]

if you dc about locations yeah

[grizzled geyser]

I'm using a skidded pterodactyl panel for hosting my bot 🥰

[warm thunder]

i have the AX41

[brittle carbon]

ah yes i do need 3ms for my discord bot

[warm thunder]

64gb ram, amd 5 3500 or smth

[novel furnace]

a "skidded" open source panel? 💀

[grizzled geyser]

Well I mean

Skidded a better word

[warm thunder]

but the server i sent above does it look good brah

[grizzled geyser]

Especially as they renamed half of it

[warm thunder]

its like 28$ a month

pretty good price

less than i spend at auctions thats fs

[serene cape]

@serene cape

[warm hull]

Isn't that a lunch meat?

[brittle carbon]

?

[hard escarp]

how are you a bot @brittle carbon , the certified bot role is for .... bots?

iirc the certified bot program was ended years ago anyway

[brittle carbon]

It's a joke

[hard escarp]

I see lol

[brittle carbon]

I've had it for over a year

[hard escarp]

you're also hiding in plain sight

couldn't get mac as username?

[brittle carbon]

Nope. Some rando also stole my bot's name

[hard escarp]

I'm waiting for my bot to be able to be verified so I can participate in auctions again

made a new one

[brittle carbon]

Discord verified?

[hard escarp]

yeah it's new new

only 21 servers rn

[brittle carbon]

Noice what does it do?

[hard escarp]

AI image moderation

nsfw and non nsfw

[brittle carbon]

Sounds expensive

[hard escarp]

yes and no

there's free image scans included for servers that invite it

if you mean expensive for me,.I'm passing on costs to premium subscribers but at the start it's being bootstrapped by triviabot funds

@brittle carbon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1163618535617073263/1178263613170003978/image.png?ex=65758280&is=65630d80&hm=b71531430968215d9db84b61d193fa6b45c8547b091c1cad211486ed7eb055c8&

[brittle carbon]

Yeah makes sense. Doesn't Discord already filter explicit content? How does the bot work?

Ah nice

[hard escarp]

discord don't do a good job of it

this bot can filter e.g. pics of women in bikinis depends how prudish your server is

[brittle carbon]

Finally! I can block anyone uploading photos that don't contain capybaras

[hard escarp]

or bare chested men lol

[hard escarp]

or pics that DO contain capybaras

[brittle carbon]

Can it do the opposite too?

So it only allows the capy pics?

[hard escarp]

not yet but great idea

not hard to add lol

[brittle carbon]

I can see that being useful for media channels like pet pics etc

To keep it on topic

[hard escarp]

yeah

[brittle carbon]

My bot has an imagelock feature which deletes any messages in a channel that don't contain at least one attachment and adds a reaction template you've chosen to each upload. The idea being it's useful for larger servers where you want a channel where people can only share photos etc like for a photography contest or a pet pics channel where it's only show and tell and then if you want to discuss you create thread or chat elsewhere

I can see this being useful in that situation

[violet sand]

just add more c's

macccccccccccccccccccccc

[brittle carbon]

[warm hull]

You should send all of those to my DMs

[warm hull]

I'm willing to bet that it's someone with an anime profile picture

[brittle carbon]

Yeah I was gonna say it would be great to have an option to forward them to DMs... for moderation purposes of course

[warm hull]

Have it by keyword too, so only pictures of men get sent to me

[hard escarp]

i did get quite a collection of test data, lol, wasnt hard to find

bare chested men, women in mini skirts, horror movie screenshots

all stuff it categorised as suggestive, gore, etc

[warm hull]

I hate horror movies

[hard escarp]

i love them. i especially love going to the cinema to watch them when theres a jumpy scared person near me to hear them squeal and jump lol

jump scares just dont work on me, and most modern horror is just jump scares and gore

[willow dock]

who is discord bot developer of solana blockchian?

[split dirge]

my company has bot developers that can do Solana blockchain. please DM me for more information

[brittle carbon]

dayum i was so busy working i forgot auctions

[hard escarp]

i didnt 😉

[brittle carbon]

you're not hustling hard enough then brain

site ded?

@oak whale

[oak whale]

it always dies a little inside at the end of auctions

just like me

[brittle carbon]

[oak whale]

it seems to load for me tho

[brittle carbon]

yeah it's loading now it was just unresponsive for a while

i'm convinced there's a special place in hell for people who bid when the timer gets under 60s

[violet sand]

i did that occasionally

back when i was bidding every once in a while

[novel furnace]

@warm thunder DONT FORGET TO BID

wait bidding ended 4 hours ago

I was in work

[hard escarp]

this used to be the norm! someone on the gaming tag used to constantly rebid 10 secs before the end, extending the tag like 2 damn hours

[brittle carbon]

It's the worst

Then you just outbid them again and sit there for another 3 minutes

[warm thunder]

... I forgot to bid on Monday

even though I put a calendar thing

I don't think it even tried to remind me

😭

[true lance]

I hate this

[atomic warren]

the way I have extensive beef with random bots who do this

i can and probably eventually will make like a 6 hour video essay about my hate for various bots and why

ok but like I do that but only a few times

[hard escarp]

same they used to waste my Monday nights

grr

they would always bid up $1 too

in the end I found the best way to deal with them was blow them out of the water with my max budget for the week

"lol you bid my $20 bid up $1 at 6.59pm... ok then you want to play? bidding $60..."

then if they bid up to 61 I would quit

if they didn't, I won

[atomic warren]

I do that with no intent to win just so they spend more

[brittle carbon]

I'll let you win next time you outbid me at $10 CPM on the fun tag then

[hard escarp]

same

I did that to someone once who outbid my $200 bid with $250

they didn't pay iirc

I got the auction anyway

[brittle carbon]

I use that strategy too. Look up their bot page. Does it look like they can afford the bid they just placed? Decide whether or not to just gamble and not bid

[hard escarp]

do ads not appear on mobile?

nothing seems to be appearing

I have no ad blocker enabled

[brittle carbon]

They should

But idk I'm no longer staff

[hard escarp]

bit worrying if I paid for ads and they don't show.... I'll check on laptop and if not showing I'll bug #auctions-support

[brittle carbon]

You'll only be charged impressions that are served anyway.

If the ad doesn't load for some reason then you aren't charged for that

[hard escarp]

yeah but I do want people to actually see my ad lol

[austere plinth]

Hmm

[agile vapor]

hi

I have a music bot, I submitted it for approval, but it was not approved. Is there a reason why you can't contact me because you are busy?

[oak whale]

I would ask this question in #support , as this channel is for auctions

[olive brook]

when does bidding end?

[lilac atlas]

have you waited over a week?

[agile vapor]

yes

[lilac atlas]

fair play

[agile vapor]

I don't understand how fair game

[novel furnace]

@warm thunder DONT FORGET TO BID

FOR AUCTIONS

[warm thunder]

YOO

ty bro

i almost forgot

[oak whale]

Good luck bidding everyone!

[novel furnace]

@oak whale DONT FORGET TO PAY YOUR BIDS

[oak whale]

you cant make me

[grizzled geyser]

Auctions live now

?

2pm Tuesday EST right?

#auctions-status message nvm this was just sent

[dreamy birch]

the "bidding will end" time on "ads are live" is borken

[split dirge]

The time displays correctly for me. They use a special field that adjust for local time. Is the system time and time zone on your device set correctly?

[novel furnace]

Yeah as mentioned above, they're not broken 🙂 They adjust to local time automatically

[dreamy birch]

will end on 2 days ago?

i dont think my clock is that broken

according to google today is decmber 6th

and the bidding will end on 11th

idk where do you live

[brittle carbon]

Yeah I saw that this morning too

It's still brokey @oak whale uwu

[novel furnace]

oh you mean the most recent ones

the bot rebooted so idk why that happened

[shy mason]

yo what time does bidding end EST?

thanks guys 🙏

[oak whale]

2pm EST

[primal vessel]

So I added funds to my account and set up auto pay incase I win and forget to pay

[neat valley]

that is if auto pay even works

[brittle carbon]

Autopay doesn't work / isn't reliable. See #auctions-status

#auctions-status message

[primal vessel]

ty for the heads up 🙂

[warm thunder]

yoo

i actually got ping this time

but im rewriting entire code of my bot

so not evne gonmna do ads 💀

[novel furnace]

@warm thunder DONT FORGET TO BID

[novel furnace]

nice

gl with it

[warm thunder]

haha i was faster than you

[novel furnace]

ill still remnd you

dont you worry

[warm thunder]

yes

yes king

[toxic brook]

looks like it's jus me and u in that tag @atomic warren

[novel furnace]

is 3 a crowd?

[toxic brook]

def

[atomic warren]

which tag?

[warm thunder]

who is winnin

[atomic warren]

idek which tag but probably them

[toxic brook]

fun tag

slot 1

[atomic warren]

ohh yeah

they are cuz i dont really need more views, im ok with however many it was

ugh them again

[toxic brook]

not herocord

[atomic warren]

i have words to say but not for this public discord

[toxic brook]

my dms are open

hopefully i got some too

[hard escarp]

is someone trolling the auctions, rebidding same amount over and over to extend it?

[toxic brook]

can u link me to it?

which tag

[maiden vault]

helper.gg is crazy, look at tickets and ticket system tag

[hard escarp]

top voted slot 1, seems they're legit bids but it's annoying af because they're waiting till the last 10 secs and extending

just bid what you want to pay... it's not eBay.

[maiden vault]

someone mind removing my server nick please?

[toxic brook]

oh well that's just sounds like bidding wars to me

[hard escarp]

why do it now??? I need to pay for my slots I got places to be!

they've had all week to bid and they're not even anywhere near top spot

[maiden vault]

thx

[hard escarp]

ffs...I'm just gonna check back at 9pm.

this is silly. last second bidding benefits who exactly

[neat valley]

got 2 slots, when are they going live? already paid

[hard escarp]

tomorrow 8pm utc

[toxic brook]

[hard escarp]

for 7 days

[neat valley]

damn i better prepare my host

[maiden vault]

i got trending new and empty results, both got 5$ budget. ticket tags were too crazy today

[neat valley]

w!

I don't remember the ones i got lol

[still saddle]

So bots go live at 8pm UTC?

[oak whale]

around then, due to caching yep

[neat valley]

#auctions-status bug?

[oak whale]

Yeah it does that sometimes @novel furnace needs to fix it lol

[novel furnace]

oo

[neat valley]

bruh will it just go up to the final amount and no one gonna click?

[still saddle]

i will click yours if you click mine

[neat valley]

I don't want clicks, I want people using it... 😔

[brittle carbon]

What's the slot? You can see the estimated click through rate before you bid.

[neat valley]

i think its more like this module

[brittle carbon]

Well you could see the CTR is low on that before you bid

[neat valley]

[echo timber]

Hi, I have never bidded before, if the maximum I want to spend is $20, what is recommended?

[brittle carbon]

See pins in #auctions-support

[echo timber]

I have checked

but am still a bit confused

well, confused is the wrong word

I just want advice

[brittle carbon]

There's advice for small budgets pinned in #auctions-support

[echo timber]

thanks

[rancid gazelle]

i can pay with crypto?

[brittle carbon]

No. I believe Fastspring supports cards, wire transfers and PayPal.

[rancid gazelle]

how does this work? where to buy couponcode for top.gg

[brittle carbon]

You can't

Just leave it empty

[rancid gazelle]

id like to use it if possible

[brittle carbon]

If you have a coupon code put it in. If not then there aren't any available. You only get coupon codes as giveaway prizes mainly.

[rancid gazelle]

ah i see. OK thank you

[oak whale]

Good luck bidding folks!

[novel furnace]

@warm thunder DONT FORGET TO BID

[jolly blaze]

$1.63 cpm for moderation tag 2

been a while since its been this low

[lavish tangle]

Hello, how can i disconnect my account from auction?

[oak whale]

What do you mean by disconnect?

[lavish tangle]

Change my account

This is the wrong account connected on my auction

[lavish tangle]

Oh no, because of that my credits are on the wrong account...

[rancid gazelle]

first time bidding

[rancid gazelle]

went pretty active last minutes 😄

[oak whale]

The auctions account is tied to your discord account, same as Top.gg

you can't change it unless you log out and log back in with a different discord account

[lavish tangle]

This is what I did and my Discord top gg account is not the same as in the auction

Could you move my credits to my other account please?

[oak whale]

can you open an #auctions-tickets and we can discuss there

[warm thunder]

it's over 😭

[novel furnace]

I did ping you in time

[rancid gazelle]

my auctions was a bit bugged. it said ended x (30+) seconds ago. then I refresh to see that I've been outbid

Is this normal

[maiden vault]

Im very happy with today's bidding

Got everything I wanted

[maiden vault]

Damn ur overpaying for suree

[rancid gazelle]

i think i overpaid too

[maiden vault]

I didnt

hihi

Maybe for the application tag

[blissful crater]

i have done payment, but the page still shows pay all, is it normal?

[oak whale]

Handled ^

[cold venture]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[clear vigil]

I have automatic payments on, with enough funds in wallet, but i just got notification saying i missed the payment? :C

[oak whale]

The automatic payment feature isn't 100 percent reliable

[clear vigil]

well dang. instead of it saying NEW!, it should say BETA! 😓

[neat valley]

the entire site’s a beta ever since the redesign https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1043931227431899246.png?size=48&quality=lossless

[olive brook]

how long do these servers stay up here ?

[wild briar]

Until their budget runs out :)
So they need X amount more impressions

[split dirge]

Realized bidding ends on Western Christmas. In parts of the world where Western Christianity predominates, it is a major holiday

Happy solstice today.
Happy yule in the Northern Hemisphere. Happy Midsummer in the Southern Hemisphere.

[brittle carbon]

Happy bidding

[novel furnace]

if we just get rid of the western christmas in favour of topgg auctions bidding

then all problems in the world ould be solved

[brittle carbon]

fr they should move christmas so we can bid 💀

[elfin halo]

Why cant you bid on christmas

[split dirge]

That task require 3 simple things
-> The pope order Catholics to celebrate a different day
-> leaders of protestant churches order people to celebrate a different day
-> The legislature of all the christian countries pass legislation to change which day is a legal holiday

[brittle carbon]

Still seems easier to accomplish than changing the bidding deadline right @oak whale?

I'll get writing my letter to the pope

[split dirge]

if you move to a country that is dominant orthodox, Orthodox Christmas is Sunday Jan 7 this time.

[brittle carbon]

Good. That's one less letter to send then.

[lilac atlas]

does promoting bots work well?

[brittle carbon]

Yes

If you know what you're doing and have some money to spend

[lilac atlas]

yep! its a monopoly go simulator yk the game monopoly go?

[brittle carbon]

Oh man that's funny. One of my mods sent me your bot this week

[lilac atlas]

haha someone stole my bot idea and copied it fully and im soo mad

so i wanna promote mine a bit haha

[brittle carbon]

Yep you would do well on the fun tag imo

Or one of the top voted front page ones

[lilac atlas]

haha thanks have you tried it and if so whats your opinions

[brittle carbon]

Yeah I've been advertising for about a year

[lilac atlas]

i meant my bot ahaha did you try it?

[brittle carbon]

Ohhh no I didn't

[lilac atlas]

ohhh haha if you ever do, feel free to let me know your opinions <3 love to hear opinions outside the monopoly go world!

[brittle carbon]

Aren't you a little concerned over trademarks and copyright? There have been stories about boardgame companies sending C&Ds to Discord bots in the past.

[lilac atlas]

Monopoly Go Simulator, how can i get copyrighted if its just a simulator?

[brittle carbon]

Using their trademark and visuals

[lilac atlas]

lots of monopoly bots! and besides discord bots cant get copyrighted am i right?

its only the logo too!

[brittle carbon]

They absolutely can and absolutely do

Cards Against Humanity shut down a big bot a few years ago. YouTube sent C&Ds to all the big music bots and got them shut down for streaming audio from their site...

[brittle carbon]

Yeah that's the problem though. It's unauthorised use of their trademark.

[lilac atlas]

ah so the logo situation, fair play but not the name and everything else right

[brittle carbon]

The name is a registered trademark

[lilac atlas]

Monopoly Go Simulator?

its a simulator of monopoly go

[brittle carbon]

Any visuals you copied (no matter how small) also aren't your intellectual property

[lilac atlas]

how could it still be copyrighted

[brittle carbon]

Monopoly Go is a registered trademark

Monopoly is a registered trademark

Also if you're earning money off it it's even worse

[lilac atlas]

true, they cant do anything about the features in my bot right?

[lilac atlas]

not earning money at all off it!

[brittle carbon]

Probably not unless you're using other copyrighted stuff within the game. The gale mechanics themselves can't be patented or copyrighted.

[lilac atlas]

unless monopoly go owns rights and only people in the world that can make sticker albums and dice rolls

[lilac atlas]

the bot that copied me used stickers photos that are in the game for their album whereas i made my own

[brittle carbon]

It doesn't really matter if you are or not they can still (and likely will) C&D you.

[lilac atlas]

yeah, i might have to change logo and name slightly

[brittle carbon]

If you're designing your own visuals then that's likely ok

[lilac atlas]

all it is is the name for people who like it and the logo!

everything else all by me

[brittle carbon]

That's not too much of a big deal to fix then. But you definitely need to remove any trademarks or images etc that aren't your intellectual property to protect yourself

[lilac atlas]

thanks for the heads up <3

[brittle carbon]

I'm not a copyright or trademark lawyer, and I've never used your bot so I don't know if you have any other risks but the more you can differentiate the better

[lilac atlas]

i know! i know your trying to help and it means a shit ton!

[brittle carbon]

They probably can't do much about the actual mechanics of the game being through Discord because that's totally different to a boardgame.

But misuse of their trademark and intellectual property will open you up to legal issues.

[brittle carbon]

You should totally start monetising it btw I have a lot of Monopoly Go players in my premium users.

[lilac atlas]

howww!

[brittle carbon]

But you're definitely doing well with the voting strategy! Good job. I grew mine to 25k servers just through voting.

[lilac atlas]

sickkk

[brittle carbon]

Idk what your bot does but if you can sell packs or perks that's one way

[lilac atlas]

yesssss! imma start on patreon!

[brittle carbon]

Then you can reinvest in ads

[brittle carbon]

Patreon takes massive fees and their API is a pain

Use Chargebee and Stripe

I started out on Patreon too but when I saw how much they were taking as a cut and how awful the API was for me I looked elsewhere A few of the larger bots used Chargebee so I switched to that. Mee6 use it, I think a few others do too. It's free and all you pay for is Stripe fees.

They take Apple and Google Pay too which is great for mobile users (your target demographic)

(Sorry I'm on a train with spotty reception)

Sorry for the delay @lilac atlas

[lilac atlas]

its okkk

[split dirge]

Any time you append 'go' to a game name people think it's a location based game.

[brittle carbon]

What about Go? 👀

https://tenor.com/view/baduk-badook-go-board-game-korean-gif-10499246

[split dirge]

The first game ending in 'go' is Pokemon Go. The second game ending in 'go' is Draconious Go. This established the convention of location based games

[fervent thunder]

Just to clarify after reading how the auction system works. Example : there's a 3k impresson auction so, if you do $5 (per 3k?) @ 15 (max bet per 3k?)

[dreamy birch]

"5$ @ 15$"
means you pay 5$ per 1k views with 15$ maximum, so you will end up buying 15/5 = 3k views

[fervent thunder]

Got it? Thanks.

[fervent thunder]

Just curious about the stats of auctions, search dropdown slot 1 vs top page slot vs front page slot 1.

[earnest slate]

-auctions @main monolith

[lean whale]

Top.gg Auctions

Auctions Information

You can find out more about Top.gg auctions by reading this support article.

Current Auctions Stage

We’re currently in the stage of Auctions Bidding. This stage runs from <t:1703617200:F> (<t:1703617200:R>) to <t:1704135600:F> (<t:1704135600:R>). During this stage, you will be able to bid. At the end of the auction, you will be given 24 hours to pay.

Auctions Timing Update

Next Ads Go Live / Next Auctions Starting: <t:1703617200:F> (<t:1703617200:R>)

Next Auctions Ending: <t:1704135600:F> (<t:1704135600:R>)

Dec 25, 2023, 2:36 PM

[main monolith]

Thanks!

I read about auctions before but just to clarify. For max budget, there's no way to go over that? What is set, is it and no hidden fees, or?

[earnest slate]

If you successfully paid for your spots, the limit will increase. You can always request an extension though if you contact the support. Hidden fees? No

[main monolith]

Oh sorry, I worded that wrong. I meant when you place a bid and set your max budget, what you set is it and it won't go over?

[earnest slate]

No, it won't go over. The max. budget is the budget you want to spend

[main monolith]

Alrighty cool, thanks for the info!

[split dirge]

May or may not hop on my phone near bidding end. About to go to go to dinner with family..

[maiden vault]

btw, why no one bothered to fix the design of auctions?

almost each page got a diffrent design

[oak whale]

We started a redesign and it didnt get finished. After the new year we'll be working on that more closely

[maiden vault]

why is my limit like over 5000$ lol

[maiden vault]

its been like dis for years tho

its like this for 2 years at least

[oak whale]

We started a redesign and then a majority of the engineers moved on to other projects and employment. We've hired some new engineers to start working on Top.gg after the new year so the development will resume

[maiden vault]

and when will bugs of main page get finished, ads got added but errors didnt get fixed..

[oak whale]

We're a small team so we dont have a lot of time or people to work on a lot of things

[maiden vault]

but cmmon, review reply, delete review and edit review is dead for sooo long

no one gonna believe that its cuz small team

[oak whale]

Yes and we haven't had the engineering power to dedicate to fixing such a large issue. We're hoping to fix issues and bugs soon

I can only tell you what the truth is if you dont want to believe me thats fine

[maiden vault]

how is this a big issue tho

just do the same thing that was there before

[oak whale]

reviews incorporate a large portion of backend and frontend, we have tried to fix the issue before and it was significantly deeper than was thought.

[oak whale]

If only development were that simple lmao

[maiden vault]

wut even happend

[maiden vault]

u guys just didnt follow the basic rule, "if it works, it works, no need to touch it"

[oak whale]

if we knew why it broke we'd know how to fix it lol

im not going to argue with you about it 🙈

[maiden vault]

debugging

[fallow lodge]

tbf, i think i know the bug that caused it to be disabled and if it is that reason, i can see why it was disabled so quick without a fix ready

[maiden vault]

it didnt got disabled quick

[fallow lodge]

it did get disabled quick

as soon as the bug was reported

[maiden vault]

nah, the button stayed for a while

[oak whale]

[maiden vault]

it just didnt work

[fallow lodge]

theres been a few reviews bugs tbf

[maiden vault]

tru

[fallow lodge]

at least auctions is in a usable state

[maiden vault]

exactly, usable

[waxen pine]

I feel like I'm gonna lose to either Herocord or Miku in "Top page - Slot 1"

[fallow lodge]

oh top page is always high demand

[maiden vault]

top page kinda waste mostly

[waxen pine]

Idk, we have had great success on our server with it

[maiden vault]

ah server

[fallow lodge]

ahh servers ok

[waxen pine]

Yeah, The Meow Movement

[fallow lodge]

was gonna say, bot top page is manic

[waxen pine]

It was supposed to end 22 minutes ago, but we are still going at it

[fallow lodge]

idk if this is the old auctions UI or a beta version but it looks cleaner imo 🙏 hope it gets used for the new one™️

[waxen pine]

How are you seeing that

Ayy, the two bots gave up. Ez win

[neat valley]

W

5k for 5$ ggs

[true lance]

congrats but trending new is not good tho, it is the worst imo because it actually gets loaded with the front page, and most ppl won't scroll down.

[neat valley]

eh these 5$ were gonna expire at the end of the month anyways

if i get one click then im already winning

[vast hound]

I usually claim my credits at end of the month, usually 30th. & As soon as next month starts, I end up having double the amount of credits to spend on auctions. Well this way I can spend all at once as I dislike taking part multiple times, it's midnight when auctions end for me so yeh. Also I can be less worried about getting outbid as I've more $, usually a budget of 90 credits which isn't much but helps

[calm marsh]

"Hello everyone! As a game designer and developer professional, I'm thrilled to introduce myself to this incredible community and I'm truly passionate about creating immersive and captivating gaming experiences.

Throughout my career, I have honed my skills in design, development, and project management, working on a variety of exciting projects. From indie games to mobile apps, I have dedicated countless hours to crafting engaging gameplay mechanics, captivating stories, and visually stunning visuals.

"If you're a game enthusiast, developer, or someone who has an idea for a game, I encourage you to explore my portfolio and get in touch. Let's discuss how we can turn your ideas into reality or how we can collaborate on an exciting project.

[brittle carbon]

Still can't write an intro without chatgpt tho

[novel furnace]

I also fail to see how this is related to Topgg auctions

-b 1051863170123304980 Hello lsmark_Kay! As a Top.gg Moderator, I'm thrilled to introduce you to the ban list. There you can join others and see how they also violated the rules of this server. If you have any questions or concerns, get in touch at support.top.gg Thanks!

[lean whale]

ismark_kay#0 was successfully banned.

[knotty sand]

https://i.imgur.com/tYeI1OC.png

[oak whale]

[knotty sand]

[oak whale]

photoshopping out my DONT

[random pelican]

Pin!!!

[oak whale]

no cause i dont want people dming me

[fervent thunder]

Do you get notified once the impressions start or?

[oak whale]

No, but you should be able to see an almost live count on your active campaigns page (analytics)

[fervent thunder]

so, it hasn't happned yet, got it.

[oak whale]

usually the first ads (so top of the leaderboard) start going live around 8pm UTC (due to caching)

[fervent thunder]

What's the diference between top page and front page?

[oak whale]

Front page is https://top.gg/
Top page is https://top.gg/list/top

[fervent thunder]

ty

[oak whale]

You click on where it says "Top Discord Bots & Discord Apps" - also the Top page has very good SEO results so sometimes people get to it from google/search engines before even going to the front page

[neat valley]

when do bids generally end ? what hour and after how many days until they opened?

bcoz this here provides no timestamp

[austere pagoda]

#auctions-status message

[neat valley]

it says 26th december?

[austere pagoda]

See the timestamp and tell me what it shows when will it end?

Ss it

[austere pagoda]

It will end at Monday, 1st January 2024 20:00

[neat valley]

ok ty , weird it shows that day though

[austere pagoda]

Umm thats timestamp countdown

[neat valley]

so it lasts for a week i see

[austere pagoda]

Yup

[neat valley]

ty

[austere pagoda]

It will always end for you every monday

At the same time

[neat valley]

ok cool

[brittle carbon]

Mondays at 7pm UTC. You'll have to work out when that is in you timezone.

[neat valley]

ok ty egg

[brittle carbon]

[hard escarp]

$100 for 1 cpm is ridiculous right?

looking at the bids on top voted slot 1

seems silly, really silly, those views will be gone in a matter of minutes

[brittle carbon]

Yeah those people usually don't pay so you can disregard

[hard escarp]

that auction is full of scam

see #auctions-support

i think moderation of the auctions needs to be stricter

on the web side of it i mean

its detrimental to those who actually are serious

taking up slots

bring back when it was invite only and not open to every idiot who thinks their nsfw server will be famous

[jolly blaze]

I feel like that could really impact top.gg's profits and they would not do that

[austere pagoda]

Are they banned for not paying?

[proper slate]

I remember when my auction application was accepted.

[ashen lion]

Wait when does the bidding stop?

[brittle carbon]

7pm UTC today

[muted ocean]

I have the feeling no one bidded until 1min before auctions closing 😄

[river gulch]

busy

[thorny oyster]

so circling back to our previous convo, I thought the crazy bids would’ve been removed by today but they were not, and people were forced to bid much higher than normal because of that

it seems that whoever manages auctions neglects to address actual issues as long as they’re getting money out of it

this CPM bidding system has been around for a while so I can’t imagine that this was the first time it’s happened

[oak whale]

We don't remove "crazy" bids - people can choose what CPM is worth it to them and they are allowed to bid that.

We do have plans moving forward to bring back our banning system if people fail to pay multiple times and/or a set amount of money.

We also have plans to make some sort of verification system, such as a verified card on file or a deposit required before bidding can begin.

We have new engineers starting after our holiday break (so later this week) and we'll hopefully get into the swing of things quickly to start implementing these changes.

[thorny oyster]

thanks for the clarification 👍

but I mean if 5 @ 5 and 10 @ 10 with no other current bids “seems worth it” I don’t know what to say

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it’s a money glitch and anyone can see that

this would’ve never happened in the closed/moderated auctions system we used to have

now anyone can do whatever and ruin it for others

[oak whale]

If you have suggestions or feedback you can leave them at https://feedback.top.gg - we might change how it works if thats what people want.

[brittle carbon]

Some people only have their $15 of voting credits every month and don't spend money so if a slot's CPM is over $5 they don't have much choice. I'm not saying it's an intelligent use of credits by any means, but I can understand how those could be legitimate bids. The $100 @ $100 ones are the issue bids imo but I just ignore those when I bid because I know those PRs wont be paid for and they'll go to the next paying bidder on the leaderboard.

I wouldn't go as far as saying it ruins bidding for others. Just pretend those bids don't exist. The impressions will be passed down to the next bidders anyway.

And it's only 1k impressions anyway. Not like it's a huge deal.

[thorny oyster]

The thing is, they’re bidding 5 @ 5 and 10 @ 10 when there are no other bids, so now everyone else who’s making legit bids with an actual budget that’s suitable for participating in auctions in the first place, is forced to have a CPM of at least that amount, which reduces the amount of impressions they can receive within their budget versus if they were bidding like 2 @ 100

[brittle carbon]

Some slots have a $5 minimum CPM though

But yes it's also down to people not understanding the system

[thorny oyster]

I understand what you’re saying

but my main point is: people who don’t have a budget that’s suitable for auctions and can’t bid “properly” shouldn’t be allowed to

private auctions used to be great

and I get wanting to allow more people to participate, but there needs to be strict ground rules in that case

auctions aren’t meant for everyone and that’s just the way it is — it’s the nature of auctions

you don’t go bidding with nothing to bid

[brittle carbon]

Yeah I also think you should only be allowed to bid with what you've prepaid in your wallet. If you have $100 in your wallet then you can bid $100 if you want to. It's your choice.

If your wallet doesn't have the funds to cover your bid or you don't have a verified bidding account then you should have to top-up first imo.

I think it wouldn't be needed for people who have a good track record and a verified account (increased bid limit to $5k) but otherwise you should pay upfront.

[thorny oyster]

makes sense

[brittle carbon]

Otherwise any rando can make a new account and bid $100 with no consequences

The ideal system would be like Google or Facebook ads

[thorny oyster]

if people have a small budget limit them to the small tags

they shouldn’t be going for the big ones

[brittle carbon]

I don't really agree with that. Sometimes you can get a better CPC on a large tag with a small budget if you know what you're doing.

[thorny oyster]

by small i mean like really small, under 100 or even under 50

[brittle carbon]

Just only allow new accounts to bid whatever balance is in their wallet and it solves the problem

[thorny oyster]

that way you allow them to grow while protecting the big slots for those who can actually afford it

[brittle carbon]

If they want to pay $10 @ $10 and have the money in their wallet then let them do it 🤷‍♂️

It's better than what we have now

[thorny oyster]

that’s for sure

[brittle carbon]

There's literally no auction in the world where you're allowed to bid and then not pay if you won

So charge them upfront

[thorny oyster]

yep

[brittle carbon]

Also it would honestly help because I've won bids and forgotten to pay them before

So if I'd have paid before bidding I wouldn't have lost them

[river gulch]

The most reasonable option would be to add a payment method, if none has been added, then the max bid amount will be set to the balance.

[brittle carbon]

Yeah something like that would be good

But there would need to be a way to mitigate people removing their payment method. Maybe if you remove it after placing a bid it'll delete your bids? But even then, you can abuse it to inflate CPMs.

Honestly payment upfront for new accounts is the best way imo

Let verified bidders bid with just a verified payment method

[thorny oyster]

this should only be possible for ppl who are “verified”

yeah

[river gulch]

If top.gg auctions comes to that point, where I have to add a payment method to bid, then I will probably not bid anymore. Since I just use votecredits....

[brittle carbon]

I just wanna place my bid, win, and not have to think about paying

[brittle carbon]

Freeloader

[thorny oyster]

I just wanna place my bid without having to worry abt other stupid ones

[brittle carbon]

Replacing the whole thing with a Facebook ads style system would be great. No more weekly cycles, payment method required etc.

If I want to advertise and it's Thursday morning, then I can do it. No need to wait until Monday and remember to bid.

Or plan my Monday evening around it

[thorny oyster]

tfw you clear your schedule for topgg auctions

[brittle carbon]

I've had to do that sometimes

[thorny oyster]

today I woke up 10 min before auctions ending lol

[brittle carbon]

And it's worse when you travel to different time zones because you forget like I live in Europe but every time I travel to the US it's around lunchtime not 8 or 9pm

[thorny oyster]

[brittle carbon]

But honestly it sucks when you forget or can't make it because you miss out on a whole week of growth. It can really hurt.

[thorny oyster]

yes

especially if by some miracle the bids were lower that day and you missed out (has happened before)

[brittle carbon]

Yeah

"I COULD HAVE PAID $3 FOR FUN TAG SLOT 1?!?!"

[novel furnace]

@warm thunder DONT FORGET TO BID

[brittle carbon]

Dylan

[jolly blaze]

maybe a bit too late

[warm thunder]

it's joever

[lilac copper]

hiya, long time no see.

What do prices for the front page look like these days on average, since I can't read #bids

[split dirge]

I can't check the bidding on any tag. the sight appears to be having issues that cause it to keep reloading the verifying connection screen.
normally the bidding on the two from pages could be checked on the bidding tab of the auction website

[hard escarp]

how come top.gg is so unreliable these days? seems every week there's an outage, it didn't used to be this way, is this why auctions don't seem to give the same result they used to? as in many less clicks and much less growth?

[hard escarp]

I'm willing to accept that it might be a lack of interest in my last bots description, we will find out at the next one I'm waiting on.

[brittle carbon]

Which slot are you advertising on?

[austere pagoda]

Umm some do good if the desc is good

A bot of mine has 15% ctr

[warped fable]

Yea also had 15% or similar in the last auction in one slot

[brittle carbon]

It depends on the tag. You can see the CTR before you placed your bid and you can compare your ad's performance against that.

[brittle carbon]

Front page goes for anywhere between $5 - $8 CPM usually. Sometimes lower.

I got it for $4 CPM this week

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah even on front page - top voted slot 2

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah but I voted on top voted slot 2 before a week or so for a bot of mine for 3k impressions and all I got was 3 invites :)
So ofc desc matters a lot!!

Also timing matters

Like the time at which bid goes live

[brittle carbon]

How many impressions did you pay for?

oh 3k

that goes in like an hour man

on the front page

[austere pagoda]

Yeah I monitor each and every tag each week to do proper bid

[austere pagoda]

Ik :)

[brittle carbon]

you're better off aiming for a tag page instead of front page with a small budget

there are tips pinned in #auctions-support

[austere pagoda]

Umm true but not everyone has too much money like you do bro

[brittle carbon]

yeah but you can still get awesome results on tag pages with smaller budgets

[austere pagoda]

Umm true! I did this week for kpop page and it worked really well

[brittle carbon]

i don't bid on front page for the CTR, I bid for the volume of clicks it gets me

when you have a small budget you have to optimise for CTR

[austere pagoda]

I always thought that the pages with high clicks perform well but fr the small tags are giving me better results

[brittle carbon]

not volume

[brittle carbon]

you need to look at ctr not clicks

[austere pagoda]

Umm true! Ill be bidding more on small tags now and big on front page

[brittle carbon]

yeah because the kpop tag has a much higher ctr than the front page

but smaller volume

so it's better for a small budget

[austere pagoda]

Umm how you track ctr for low tags? They only show clicks and impressions

[brittle carbon]

https://www.omnicalculator.com/finance/ctr

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah ikr I got it for 4.25

I started at 2 and at last moment did bid war with hani bot

[austere pagoda]

Ohh thanks ill checkout

[brittle carbon]

You just enter the total impressions on that tag and total clicks and it'll tell you the CTR

[austere pagoda]

Ohh wow thats nice

You know what

[bright depot]

Guys what should I do

I get banned

By top gg

[brittle carbon]

read #site-status

not here

[bright depot]

Okay

[austere pagoda]

I launched my bot on 24th and put it into verification on 1st jan so it grew very fast

Now it's on second spot on trending new bots

[brittle carbon]

[austere pagoda]

No payment for it

[brittle carbon]

usually people see growth from that

[austere pagoda]

Am so happy

[austere pagoda]

Ikr got me 50 invites ;-;

[brittle carbon]

noice

[austere pagoda]

Am so happy but now site is down

[austere pagoda]

You even tried slot 2 for 1.25 at 150 right?

[bright depot]

So can't visit top gg right im confuse BC I'm bad at english

[austere pagoda]

Topgg website is down right now

[bright depot]

Ohhhhh

Ty

[brittle carbon]

i don't remember

[brittle carbon]

this week?

i'm confused

[austere pagoda]

Yup

That's ss from 2nd slot

[brittle carbon]

maybe lol I don’t know

[austere pagoda]

Lol

[brittle carbon]

i mean if it's there then i did

[austere pagoda]

You bid so much udek

I literally keep track of everything

[brittle carbon]

i do and i still make a profit

[austere pagoda]

. . .

Big pocket

[brittle carbon]

the bot pays for itself man i don't pay for anything. i also don't pay myself anything.

[austere pagoda]

Umm premium features?

[brittle carbon]

yeah

[austere pagoda]

Ohh I have ideas for mine too! Once it grows to enough servers

[cerulean holly]

All I wanna say this is wild

https://ss.adamh.tech/2024/01/opera_Y0A3g7fZrc.png

41% is the craziest I have seen

[cold venture]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[cerulean holly]

still are

[cold venture]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[cerulean holly]

I can see that

[austere pagoda]

Wow bro

The highest ctr i have ever seen

[cerulean holly]

yuhh

[austere pagoda]

Hey u are from dcreator

[cerulean holly]

yup

[thorny oyster]

definitely less growth, used to get thousands from the same tag/slot that I get hundreds from now

[hard escarp]

do you think it's end of lockdown that caused this, or the discord application directory? or something else

[thorny oyster]

I was inactive for a while before the app directory so I’m not sure how stats looked then

[hard escarp]

I think both of those are definitely a factor tbh

[thorny oyster]

but during private auctions and soon after, I used to gain 5k-7k at least

now i get less than 1k

[thorny oyster]

probably

[hard escarp]

I ran ads on the gaming tag back before it was cpm bidding and I got 5000 new servers from a £80 campaign in 2020

Ill be running a similar campaign on games tags when my next bot is verified

so I will let you know what the comparison is

[thorny oyster]

👍

[brittle carbon]

Nobody uses app directory seriously. It's totally down to lockdown being over. Discord in general is way quieter than back in 2020.

[lilac copper]

absolutely not the app directory

I was on the third page for multiple tags, removed ourselves a few days ago, literally zero change in invites

plus it's not on mobile

and server owners aren't really made aware lol

end of lockdown is my guess, if there is even a simple answer

[thorny oyster]

tfw you pay $500 for ads and get <500 servers

[brittle carbon]

Yeah. Top.gg's metrics saw zero drop when the app directory came out.

Plus I'm not on it but even without ads on Top.gg I'm still growing faster than my competitors who are on it.

[hard escarp]

I think top.gg has just nosedived in popularity

it doesn't bring the conversions it used to

I wonder if the fact it's constantly up and down like an olympic trampolinist is partially why

[brittle carbon]

It does. The CTRs are still way above industry standards. It's just the drop in Discord popularity. Don't tell me you haven't seen a drop in DAUs for you bot since 2020? I think everyone has?

[hard escarp]

I'm hoping that my opinion is based on trivia reaching it's peak, my new bot might answer this q

[hard escarp]

since mid 2022 yes

[brittle carbon]

Every large dev I've spoken to feels the same

[hard escarp]

it tanked

[brittle carbon]

And I've noticed it myself too

Discord is just dying

It's not a Top.gg issue

People are moving on imo

I'll run my bot for as long as I enjoy maintaining it but it'll always be a fun side project to me

[hard escarp]

I might make a secondary protocol for my newest bot

it's only connected to discord data wise by a snowflake id, users pick their own in game nicknames

so if I could find a second platform that also has embeds, interactions, buttons etc.... I could port it

[brittle carbon]

Yeah makes sense

[hard escarp]

but I've not finished porting to discord fully yet

[brittle carbon]

I don't see any alternatives atm

I'll just continue running mine as long as it's not costing me money to run and advertise.

[thorny oyster]

the only one is Guilded but its bot ecosystem is nowhere near discord’s level yet

[brittle carbon]

Guilded never took off and never will tbh

[thorny oyster]

yeah

[brittle carbon]

It's a shame Roblox didn't do something with it

So much potential

They could have built it into the game

[hard escarp]

roblox suck ass

I don't trust them

[brittle carbon]

It may do but it's insanely popular

[hard escarp]

they exploit kids

and they take 3x cuts of all profits from games

once for the buying of robux, again on buying the iap and again when you convert the robux back to dollsrs

[thorny oyster]

that’s a whole separate issue but you can’t deny its popularity reach or potential

[hard escarp]

and a fourth time if you put ads on their platform

I also dislike the art style

and it's not a suitable platform for more mature games

[thorny oyster]

they’re trying to change that but they’re not doing a good job of it

[hard escarp]

also any custom assets you use there get stolen and assumed to be free to reuse

and turn up in some 11 year olds obby game

[lilac copper]

I think there's a difference between discord dying and people just having lives outside of discord due to stay at home orders lifting

things feel about where they were pre-2020, if not slightly higher in engagement

[thorny oyster]

I definitely think it's still higher than pre-COVID

a lot more ppl know about and use discord now

not 24/7 like during the lockdown, but still use it

[hard escarp]

yes

pre COVID in 2019 discord felt somehow small

and the bot dev community kind of closed off

when I first joined it was hard to make a name for myself and prove I knew my stuff

I'm sure everyone was already sick of the million people going through the bot dev revolving door claiming to have made the next big thing

"what you made" "well it's like mee6 but it's not mee6 so it's betterer... I call it mee9"

[thorny oyster]

I mean any mee6 copy is better than mee6

[austere pagoda]

Do you mind if I dm?
(would love to have some more advice)

[brittle carbon]

We can chat here my DMs are closed

[austere pagoda]

I basically wanted a product review for my bot

[brittle carbon]

Unfortunately I'll never have time for that

I barely even use my own bot let alone others'

[austere pagoda]

Umm ok no worries! Thanks

[hard escarp]

i think this is a trend internet-wide across many platforms

im seeing lots of concerned posts from reasonably big youtubers, their adsense revenue is down to 30% of what it was a year or two ago, sponsorships are down, etc

online entertainment is moving on

a fair few that made youtube their full time gig during or just after lockdown are now panicing and getting day jobs to pay the bills

[austere pagoda]

Why are people so dumb?

[austere pagoda]

Check this out lol

[violet goblet]

It's funny cuz not many understand mee6 is from Rick and Morty

HAI IM MR MISSIX look at me!

[neat valley]

no way bruh fr like ong

[brittle carbon]

not if i ban you first

[hard escarp]

nice, glad youre here. please help improve my golf swing

[violet goblet]

pulls gun

[austere pagoda]

and the bidding war starts

[civic hatch]

Hey

what day does the auction happen

[oak whale]

today

[mellow copper]

Hello

[oak whale]

in like 20 minutes is when bidding ends

[mellow copper]

I want some friends

[brittle carbon]

Hello

I want some ads

[austere pagoda]

U already have a lottt shush

[brittle carbon]

no

[austere pagoda]

Cya after auction lets get it

[echo timber]

does only the top bidder get their ad displayed? or does it use up the impression count on each ad as much as it can?

[oak whale]

The second one. People will show for the impressions they paid for, then the next person, then the next all the way down the leaderboard until all impressions are served

[echo timber]

thanks

[austere pagoda]

I shouldn't have voted for top voted

Next time ill target smaller tags

[fervent thunder]

This week's auction was a crazy bidding war

People putting 300-400 on for max bet for a week's worth?

16+ cpm O.o

[austere pagoda]

Bro wait till u see this

Like fr

102 for 102

[mortal crag]

bro don't know when to stop 💀

[brittle carbon]

[austere pagoda]

I had bidded for my bot on top voted hoping someone will outbid . . . Ill take egg's advice and only bid on valuable tags now

[brittle carbon]

always listen to egg

[austere pagoda]

Fr big pockets lol

[brittle carbon]

egg wise

[austere pagoda]

Yeah from next auction 🥲 i have to pay for top voted this time . . . 3% ctr

[brittle carbon]

egg knowledgable

[thin python]

music slot 1 is such a battle of the rich holy

[brittle carbon]

because it's a good tag

and you don't run a music bot if you can't afford to

[fervent thunder]

Nah, look at this...

[austere pagoda]

Lol i once bought it for 2 i remember old days

But after that it has been a war fr

[fervent thunder]

I really hope people understand the max bet....

[gentle jackal]

so if i get outbid will i get money back ?

[austere pagoda]

Ofc u never paid if you outbid

[fervent thunder]

That's nuts for a week's worth. I paid 400 on discord.me for month. People got too much money,

[fervent thunder]

they won't charge you if you get outbid.

[austere pagoda]

Umm true

[brittle carbon]

how did that work out for you? i see you're spending here now instead?

[austere pagoda]

Which one urs?

[fervent thunder]

I do both as long as it's not crazy high

[fervent thunder]

Discord.me? It's working well. I have a 60% click to join ratio. However, there's literally only 5 slots on there. It's auction by front page only. No tags or alternatives.

[fervent thunder]

Gaming derps inc.

[austere pagoda]

Ohh

[civic hatch]

If i won 2 slots and i pay for 1

so will my ad be live?

[muted ocean]

this is an interesting spot to lose 😄 don't know how I managed that since it probably ended on time and i paid for other slots, guess it was a little slower getting through

[gleaming jackal]

Does anyone have an estimation on what percentage of clicks actually add the bot to their server?

[brittle carbon]

Depends on your product, where you're linking to etc. If you're promoting the bot directly, in my case at least (not applicable to every bot) I find people likely click "Invite" directly on the ad and bypass the bot page entirely. But I haven't ever looked into conversion rate. My metrics for ad performance are new premium subs not necessarily how many servers I've joined.

[patent blaze]

Do I have a limit on how many auctions I can bid on?

[hard escarp]

for triviabot it used to have a 17 to 25% CTR on 1000 views, of that percent that clicked through, about 50% of them invited it - I was tracking this via the oauth link.

for Beholder the click through rate was under 1% and invite amounts even lower, I think it's just not as popular an idea

when I run an ad for seven spells I'll share my stats publicly again

if you want to track your invites you need to have an invite with a redirect URL, and you log visits to that URL, make the URL unique to the campaign and have it log in the discord user to your bots website or dashboard

I mean you can just have a hostname that is the ad target for clicks that redirects to the invite link but that is only as accurate as top.gg clicks counter, where the oauth way actually logs invites

you'll also want to monitor churn rate e.g. how many users who invited kick the bot within a day, a week etc.

wow wall of text. useful though I'm sure

[gleaming jackal]

Very useful, thank you so much

[split dirge]

No limit on how many differnt tags you can place bids on. However there is a maximum budget limit. This can be seen on the overview page https://auctions.top.gg/overview

[spice forge]

Will voting be extended for those who purchased ads this week? We lost 24 hours of ads that were paid for due to site issues

[oak whale]

You'll get refunded automatically at the end of the cycle for any unserved impressions

So on Tuesday at 7pm utc

[maiden vault]

Hi Xiuh, could you tell me what happend to "Tickety" votes? They resetted yesterday

and imo the ad week should be extended. We gonna loose the tax paid even after a refund..

[hard escarp]

I'm pretty sure they can't just extend the week it would have a knock on effect on all auction days going forward

[maiden vault]

sad

[hard escarp]

how do you lose the tax?

[maiden vault]

there's 23% tax

[hard escarp]

if it's refunded you didn't pay anything therefore nothing owed

no product delivered

you get the VAT back too

[maiden vault]

oh

Good

[hard escarp]

only thing to be clear on is specify if you want a refund in site credits or in your bank

they won't know which you want otherwise

[meager bone]

there's definitely more issues with auctions during this period tho, that can't just be rectified by refunding unserved impressions.

because the site was loading slowly and inconsistently which would've meant impressions were still being served but would've had way lower CTR's because people are just clicking off or refreshing to try get it to work. So a lot of the impressions that were served this week went to waste.

[maiden vault]

But still, wtf happend here

[meager bone]

@maiden vault probably this... the impressions that were served would've had a way lower CTR on average

[maiden vault]

tru

[uneven ridge]

man

[maiden vault]

and this week was expensive cuz of competition

[river jacinth]

same. please helpp

[maiden vault]

Had to pay 19$ to win all the tag impressions even tho there are not too much of them..

[maiden vault]

topgg rn:

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[uneven ridge]

dont mind the tabs (im lazy)

[maiden vault]

Oh ok, backup got made and db got nuked

[brittle carbon]

You don't get a refund of the tax you get a refund in credits to your wallet. But the credit price is excluding tax. Tax is paid on top. The tax has been paid for the full value of credits and if you don't get ads served for the full value of those credits you'll just get the remaining credits refunded to your auctions wallet to use on another auctions cycle. You don't get any tax back unless they refund you money you spent (which doesn't happen in the case of partial impressions).
cc @hard escarp since it seems you didn't catch that

So if you paid for $100 of credits you paid $123 to fastspring. That's not $123 worth of ads/credits. It's $100.

[maiden vault]

Btw, wasn't there a payment processor with less fees?

[brittle carbon]

Tax is tax. That's set by your government, not the payment processor. Top.gg covers the processor fees.

You can get exempt from tax if you're an EU VAT-registered company, but that's it really.

And that's only if your company isn't based in the Netherlands since Dbots B.V. is a Dutch entity.

[neat valley]

I am still being blocked

[fiery hamlet]

I'm blocked again

[austere pagoda]

Ppl are bidding high this week ;-;

Like directly bidding 5x

[thorny oyster]

if you’re in the US and there’s no sales tax in your state you don’t pay any

[neat valley]

@oak whale check the db

[hard escarp]

if youre refunding someone fully the tax should come back too. dont top.gg handle their own tax? fastspring shouldnt be taking the tax, not in the case of VAT

the end business should deal with it, within the EU

[brittle carbon]

Yes if they're refunded fully to their payment method then the tax is refunded too. We don't do partial refunds to payment methods. Fastspring handle the tax for you, it's part of their services.
https://fastspring.com/tax-management/

[hearty dawn]

Whyyyy

[fallow lodge]

see #general message

[austere pagoda]

Wth ppl do 60 for 100 . . . like look at the lowest one its at 5 and still getting more views . . . with 1k views the bot wont even get much . . .

Someone please explain why fr? Why bid so much for just 1k? When you can just target smaller tags almost 10+ with that money

[thorny oyster]

they don’t understand how cpm bidding works and just try to get to the top of the list

[austere pagoda]

They say beauty with no brains . . . Ill say wealthy with no brains (not all ofc but some)

[thorny oyster]

honestly I doubt even wealthy

bro’s entire budget is prob $100 and he doesn’t know how to use it properly

[austere pagoda]

Lmao imagine how many small tags he can get with that

But fr this weeks' bids are high

[spice forge]

sounds good, thank you. Will refund be to original payment or to balance?

[oak whale]

All refunds are done to balance.

[meager bone]

in my experience being the first ad displayed after the bidding cycle does increase CTR a little bit

[thorny oyster]

perhaps but i’m sure that 5 @ 40 person would do much better regardless

60 @ 100 is just crazy

[meager bone]

yeah 60 cpm is crazy

i'll agree

[austere pagoda]

Yup and I have bid on slot 1 and it didnt go above 14%

Thats the max I have attained

[meager bone]

for what slot?

[austere pagoda]

Top voted

I mean 14% is good ofc

But still bro 60 is too much for 14%

I can get combined 20-30% from smaller tags if I spend 60 well

[brittle carbon]

14% is great for slot 1 top voted

I get 5 - 7% CTR

Which is still excellent

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah the main thing I wanted to say is that in 60$ he can easily get smaller tags and combined can reach abt 20% ctr (combined)

[brittle carbon]

They don't actually want to spend $60 they just don't understand how it works.

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah

[meager bone]

i got all that for like $70 and $30 credit. so $60 is deffo a waste for 1k impressions

[brittle carbon]

Also 10% CTR + 10% CTR is still 10% CTR. You can't add percentages.

[meager bone]

final step of add server flow 😍

paid $1 for that

[austere pagoda]

Umm true

[brittle carbon]

That's a nice return

[meager bone]

extremely

[austere pagoda]

No I mean if you get 3% on tag 1 and 4% on tag 2
So here you are getting ctr from different tags so logically you got 7% combined

That what I mean

[austere pagoda]

What's that?

[brittle carbon]

No you don't

[austere pagoda]

I meant we can say we got combined 21% out of 200% ofc but like yeah I meant that

I hope you get what am saying

[brittle carbon]

It's two different slots. If you get 100 impressions on each slot with a 10% CTR on each:

• Slot 1: 100 imp, 10 clicks = 10% CTR
• Slot 2: 100 imp, 10 clicks = 10% CTR

Overall you have paid for 200 impressions, 20 clicks, 10% CTR

[meager bone]

pretty self explanatory, when someone is adding their server to topgg and gets to the last step, there’s a spot there for bots. which imo is the perfect place for bots to advertise. especially bots of my nature

[brittle carbon]

So that's not a combined CTR of 21%

You can't add percentages

That's not how math works

[meager bone]

[austere pagoda]

Ohh got it

Well thanks I was wrong there I accept

Nice explanation

[austere pagoda]

Ohh wow wasnt aware of that slot or what exactly it meant

Ill try it this time!

Lmao

You bid for it

[meager bone]

after all of that i made an oopsie... #auctions-support

[austere pagoda]

Dw you havent!

[meager bone]

pog

[austere pagoda]

Have you tried search dropdown bidding?

[meager bone]

awful slot from my experience

[austere pagoda]

Umm like it doesnt show what the bot is abt so . . .

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah bcs ppl cant know what exactly the bot is abt

[brittle carbon]

I don't like that slot personally. I don't see the point. If someone has opened the search dialogue then the chances are they're looking for a specific bot or server (like searching for "dyno" for example) and won't click on your ad.

[austere pagoda]

Um true thought same + even if they see the bot it has to be really appealing to them to click on it

Same I think for more like this module

[brittle carbon]

It could be worthwhile if you're making and selling discord bots but otherwise idk

[austere pagoda]

Umm yeah if name is self explanatory

[austere pagoda]

How much servers are you gaining each week from top.gg?

I am getting like 100 or so and thats good tbh

[brittle carbon]

Depends if I'm running ads or not