auctions-general

[fallow lodge]

I used bookstack for https://wiki.combatwarriors.gg/, but that requires us to manually handle user editor requests, rank them on the site with that etc, whilslt that looks so much easier 😭

[brittle carbon]

I wonder if you can export from what you're using now and import to bip?

[fallow lodge]

i'll look into it

not sure if bookstack has an export feature

[brittle carbon]

Stinky

Gitbook can sync with a GitHub repo at least

But I'd choose this over Gitbook for docs for a bot

Just because it's so well integrated with Discord

[fallow lodge]

yeah

ah lol its a very hacky method for exporting

https://gist.github.com/ssddanbrown/45acb913a7b873240b2d89781e74a7a4 to export all

very stinky

[brittle carbon]

Lol I'd rather stay away from a platform that doesn't let me easily export in the first place

[fallow lodge]

Yeah

I was going to custom code a wiki platform but I ran out of time

[brittle carbon]

That would require so much more work. Not worth it with all the good free solutions out there.

[fallow lodge]

yeah

well im moving away from ghost for blog frontend

using next.js to remake the main site and have the blog as a seperate page on it, means we can put more info on the site as needed

[brittle carbon]

Ghost is pretty pricey for what it actually does 👀

[fallow lodge]

oh i self host

its easy to install

i just find it hard to find solutions for what i need, like atm im looking for a bug reporting platform and google gives me shitty results with 99% of the top results just being affiliate links for services not offering what i need

[brisk mason]

7 days ago

nice

i think i missed it then

[fallow lodge]

It’s been broken since last week

[oak whale]

Good luck in the last 5 minutes everyone

[earnest slate]

Oh, it's Auctions time!

[brittle carbon]

yes

[earnest slate]

Time to fast-place my bids

[neat valley]

Oh hi

Haha sorry I want both

[mystic python]

Bids channel Stil catching up? 😂😂

[oak whale]

yeah it gets really slow

discord ratelimits and all that

[mystic python]

Haha 😂

[dire pine]

finally used my credits since the bot decided to like me this week and dm me within the 15s i had to not get outbid

[oak whale]

[dire pine]

i first accidentally

used my bid for mimu

[oak whale]

ive done that before too

[dire pine]

i was like NO TBAGS MY MONEY

i eARNED MY 900 VOTES DAMMIT

[oak whale]

good luck

[dire pine]

but it retracted and went to

aph so

i’m chill now

i’m ok

[viral reef]

is paying $25+ for 800 impressions normal>?

[dire pine]

i’ve never paid that much for so little impression but it depends on what you’re bidding on/for

social tag for $6 CPM / $15 limit was 2.5k impressions

[neat valley]

Omg give up @neat valley

We're already at a $31 CPM

[dire pine]

i fight tooth and nail for my auction spot so

may the highest bid win

[neat valley]

Dm me @neat valley

Artist needs to give it up

[dire pine]

fr tho lol

well i wouldn’t say just owners but the org entirely

helps with whatever maintenance costs and beyond and also having the ads go up

mutual beneficial relationship

Symbiotic, if u will

[earnest slate]

See you all next week!

[brittle carbon]

I gained 3,500 servers in 10 days thanks to Top.gg auctions It's definitely mutually beneficial

[dire pine]

my first day on topgg made my bot reach 250 unverified max within 2 hours of being put up

and is now at 16k

def beneficial

i would say the same for mimu as well since we hit over 1 mil

mental health & social bot

yup :3c

i keep premium to non essential features that aren’t mental health related and i have ~30 premium subscribers for $3/month

thanks!

good luck with your bidding :3c

i see it’s for a server, yeah?

[neat valley]

Me and artist are currently fighting 🤣😭

[dire pine]

[neat valley]

I like to have both slots

[dire pine]

[muted ocean]

20mins over the limit and still not done

[neat valley]

Haha

How high are you willing to go @neat valley?

I'm not trying to spend over 200 for slot 1

Lol

Ok

I'll let you have number 1

Dm me. Maybe we can talk about how we can work together

[unreal stirrup]

Geez that was a biddingw ar

^_^

[candid lily]

daily reminder that if you dont have the money, dont bid

actually wondering why nobody has thought about making a "top.gg auctions impressions calculator"

[earnest slate]

New bot idea! 😏

[candid lily]

something for @rotund plinth maybe

[brisk mason]

over complicated division

[candid lily]

Rather than seeing people bid $1 with a budget of $1

[dire pine]

aurel big brain

[candid lily]

very

[fallow lodge]

it used to exist

but it was very un legit

it was on my old christmas bot that won and i added it until it was removed here (like 2 months)

[oak whale]

budget / cpm

ez

[fallow lodge]

yeah

thats exactly what it did

it had dog pics too!

but either way

[vast wagon]

Wth, this is possible?

I mustve overread that

bruh its like 2 sentences in the article

[oak whale]

It might have linked the wrong article - this is the one you should read: https://support.top.gg/support/solutions/articles/73000542946-why-am-i-being-charged-for-extra-impressions-

[vast wagon]

well alright, thats definitely too unpredictable for me

[oak whale]

When you input your maximum budget, you are committing to possibly paying all the way up to that maximum budget. If you aren't wanting to pay any retroactive payments you can adjust your maximum budget when you bid

[vast wagon]

I already paid my maximum budget when the bidding was over?

[oak whale]

Let me look at your account

[vast wagon]

is there a payment history somewhere?

ah

found it

[oak whale]

I see that you bid 1.25 CPM at a maximum budget of 3 dollars.
You prepaid for 70 impressions, and it cost you 9 cents.
You received a total of 2,402 impressions, so it retroactively charged you the other part of your budget (2.91)

Yeah you can see your history on the pay page!

[unreal stirrup]

Anyone have any experience with setting a logo for an ad? I have mine with a transparent BG and it's showing up as a tranlucent white BG for some reason.

[vast wagon]

i see now, its from the second spot i bid on

[mint trail]

The bid button already does this calculation.

[mint trail]

How did you go from 250 to 16k? How many ads did you have to run?

[dire pine]

it happened over a year, i’ve only ran about 5-6 ads over the course of the past year & each are small tags

[neat valley]

how do i put my server on the list

[mint trail]

It costs me almost a dollar's worth of ads to get 1 server...I feel like my bot is too niche or something.

[neat valley]

its only showing help buttons

[mint trail]

Yet at the same time my CTR is 6%

[dire pine]

what does your bot do/what category is it under?

[mint trail]

It's an economy game that simulates a stock market

[dire pine]

i think that’s neat! definitely not too niche but needs the right audience. what tags are you bidding under?

[mint trail]

Economy, game mostly. Sometimes top page if the price is right.

[dire pine]

economy is supeeer hard to grow under since there’s so many big economy bots (i work for one ;_;), im not sure what other tags there are but what helps the most is
a) auctions
b) promoting voting on topgg to your users (bumps it further up on the listing page)
c) word of mouth! supportive friends/servers are very helpful in growing and spreading it around

[mint trail]

I'm definitely going to rework my voting rewards this month to encourage it.

Word of mouth is a little trickier...maybe some kind of referral system that rewards spreading it to other servers.

And next ad I run I'll try another tag...what do you recommend?

[dire pine]

hmm, maybe try fun! social spot #2 always gets me a good influx of people. vote rewards are definitely key when it comes to getting users to consistently vote, i went from ~7 votes a month to ~1200 votes a month by adding voting rewards. a referral system is unique and i haven’t seen one! i think that would help with growth too. try gathering user feedback too— it helps with growing as well to work on what users want more of

[mint trail]

thanks for your help 🙂

[dire pine]

of course!

[candid lily]

Ohh, dunno why there's people not understanding what impressions are then

Pass quiz for auctions access when

[mint trail]

Honestly this is a great idea...there's too many people hyperinflating the bid prices because they don't understand that it's not always a winner takes all situation.

[candid lily]

Exactly

[neat valley]

this aged well

[young idol]

this says 721 clicks, realistically (for those who know how this works and who have done it) - how many bot invites would i actually get

[candid lily]

a click is not a definite invite, users could still cancel inviting it

[young idol]

i know thats why i am asking how many invites realistically

if i were to get those 721 clicks

[candid lily]

depending on what you link to it (either a bot/server or a custom product), users might cancel that

so lets say your bot page is pretty descriptive and matches the ad you have created, so you might get an invite through that

if you use a custom product and directly link to a bot invite, you might get way less invites than when linking to a bot page

so you cant surely tell how many invites it would get, as it depends what the user sees after clicking it

[young idol]

alright

would i get at-least like 50 if my bot does what it says, is useful, and is something unique

i know its hard when questions liked that r asked so just give me ur opinion

[candid lily]

I cant really say that as it just depends on the appearance of your ad

[young idol]

alright

[blissful torrent]

Really depends, in my case about 0.32% of impressions end up in bot invites (measured by Google Analytics)
Which for a CPM of $7.50 yields a cost per conversion of about $2.36

And I think I'm in the lower tier with these stats

[restive sorrel]

probably not much

but it’s really dependent on your bot and ad

[jaunty spoke]

which would be a better strategy for advertising a bot on top.gg?

1. bidding every month with 15$ budget

2. save up for some months and bid with a budget of like 100$

[muted ocean]

Vote credits expire after 1 month if you were planning to use those, so strategy 2 isn't possible really

[candid lily]

you can gain 100$ in a month on votes, but yeah you cant build up credits over multiple months

[muted ocean]

that would require like 85101 votes for $100 in a month I think 😄 but it's entirely possible

[jaunty spoke]

ik, just don't worry about the funds. Which strategy would be better ?

[candid lily]

1 because 2 is not a thing

or you're not referring to credits

then depends on how much exposure youd want on your bot/server

[jaunty spoke]

i wont use credits and stuff, 15 real $ every month budget to spend on bot. so should i use them every month or keep saving and add them in my top.gg wallet at once and bid with high budget on slots

[neat valley]

What do you think about the new ticket system?

[brittle carbon]

Not much is changing except slightly longer response times outside of live support hours on Mondays and Tuesdays. We'll always make sure to fix payment issues before auctions end or the payment deadline in order for you to continue bidding as usual

[merry flower]

Anyone up for throwing out some ideas on how to improve my bot page to get higher click through?

[brittle carbon]

Use graphics, custom CSS, make it clear what your features are, have a consistent brand identity, these all help make it look more professional and improve CTR

Those have all worked for me and 90% of my servers come from my Top.gg page

60k this week

That's definitely not true

I got 3,500 servers for about €400 a couple of weeks ago

[merry flower]

a few months ago i did a google keyword search for all of the bot sites and top.gg is the highest searched for by far

it was like a 10x difference

hold on

[brittle carbon]

Yeah Top.gg is at the top of all the Google bot searches

[restive sorrel]

App discovery is bad

lol

[brittle carbon]

If this is your experience, I'd love to know how you're advertising and where

Wait are we talking about advertising a bot or a server here? I'm confused

Well idk how effective the server ones are, I've only personally advertised my bot but it's always been very successful. Otherwise I wouldn't waste my money.

[brittle carbon]

This is a very good return on investment imo

That's about €0,11 per server

I think you should try a different slot

Or advertise your server / bot page instead of a direct invite if that's what you're doing (people back out from those usually because there's no explanation as to what they're joining / adding)

[merry flower]

i think top.gg is roughly the same rank as i checked it months ago

[merry flower]

highest CTR on ads (reliably) i get is around 6-8%

[candid lily]

oh shit I forgot app discovery was made a thing

[merry flower]

I think i need to be more clickbaity but in a good way with my pfp and tag line for it

[brittle carbon]

Yeah I got around 7 - 9%

Yeah but as soon as you're off the front page you don't get any growth from it

[merry flower]

organically?

[brittle carbon]

It's also worth noting that was shortly after launch and it was already tapering off towards the end

Most people opened app discovery once to check it out and then forgot about it

Even the person at the head of the project left Discord

Well we definitely haven't felt any long term effects from it

all our metrics are up

[hard escarp]

I'm on home page again for all of feb

massive banner in centre of page

below midjourney

[candid lily]

does it do much for you?

[hard escarp]

it's too early to tell

I got 200 yesterday but it didn't go live till 6pm so that's 6 hours of measurements

[candid lily]

but you are able to somewhat differentiate between a normal invite and app-directory referring invite right?

[hard escarp]

my server growth has levelled off a bit, instead I've been converting more users to premium

yeah I know what my normal levels are

[merry flower]

How's this tagline: Mine Riches, Discover Secrets and RULE Salt Miner's Apocalyptic Wasteland! [The Most Visual Bot on Discord]

[candid lily]

is your bot a mining simulator bot? or smth like that?

[merry flower]

an apocalypse themed game where you dig and get resources and tons of other stuff, craft stuff, sell stuff, quests etc.

if you've ever played the old flash game motherload, it has similar mechanics but more RPG

[merry flower]

TEXT BASED GAMES ARE OBSOLETE. Mine Riches, Discover Secrets and RULE the Apocalyptic Wasteland with Salt Miner.

a little obnoxious but perhaps attention grabbing without being too much so

im doing it

[candid lily]

yup yup

[raven steppe]

hey, @raven turtle no ads pls

[neat valley]

Hi

[marble trench]

anyone else got the add funds bugged ?

just load

[midnight iris]

Ain’t no way somebody got your user tattooed on themselves 💀

[candid lily]

Imagine the nitro expiring

[marble trench]

Yeah a Russian guy actually did that

💀

[muted ocean]

@atomic warren hey do you need both Currency slots?

[timid plover]

hmm

[harsh monolith]

Holy moly https://cdn.quintenvw.com/9Um2ON.png

$745 EXTRA impressions

[brittle carbon]

That's a lot of impressions 👀

[harsh monolith]

Yeah, understatement.

I've never had such a large "extra" bill.

[brittle carbon]

Well tbf we did only estimate you'd be served half of what your max budget was. I'd actually call that very good bid optimisation on your part

[harsh monolith]

It was someone who didn't pay, the impressions didn't appear out of this air :p

[brittle carbon]

Ah right! GGs!

[neat valley]

Who is that?

[silver isle]

When does my server appear on site i just won a auction

[harsh monolith]

?

[silver isle]

Quint

Doesnt the new advert start today?

Does*

[muted ocean]

tomorrow at this time

[silver isle]

Okay thank you

[brittle carbon]

If you've paid for it*

[silver isle]

I did

Mac

Whats the search dropdown slot 1 and 2

I got those...

[neat valley]

How did you go 745 dollars over?

[silver isle]

For server

[neat valley]

Another week down! Good job on the bids

[brittle carbon]

I believe those show here

[silver isle]

Okay so that would be at the top of all other servers

Right?

[brittle carbon]

In the search dropdown yes

Those slots don't have a very hight CTR as you can see from your auctions dash

[silver isle]

Ctr?

[brittle carbon]

click through rate

[silver isle]

Fuck

Great....

Just fked myself

[brittle carbon]

You can see estimated clicks and impressions on the bidding page before you bid

[river gulch]

@urban hull We can do that all day long 🤣

[harsh monolith]

Chad move

[wet oriole]

the page haven't started showing the new list of bots who won the auction yesterday?

Ahh, it will go live today between 20:00 UTC

[silver isle]

When does ad start

[wet oriole]

did you won a spot in auctions which ended yesterday?

[silver isle]

Yes

[wet oriole]

they should go live today only i guess

[silver isle]

U know when exactly

[wet oriole]

#auctions-faq message

[silver isle]

Okay thx

Go 6-7 hrs

[neat valley]

when is the deadline today?

[zealous fjord]

#auctions-status message

[merry flower]

I've gained 2 servers a day the past 3 days when before i was only getting about 2 a week organically since i put a red circle around my bot icon and updated the tagline be curious to see how the CTR performs when the next round of ads start

[merry flower]

hmmm

i clicked it and it seemed to add to the funny tag

[normal flame]

oof been there

[neat valley]

avarage rich boyd

[split dirge]

Bidding strategy is an art. If you do it wrong you can be dead half the week and super slammed with activity the other half ....

[split dirge]

I see a competitive bidder just took over many tags. will have to review the damage - lol

[earnest slate]

[candid lily]

@delicate onyx hello women, here ads

[shut lagoon]

i love the 1 cent bidding war

why, why would you bid so much higher than everyone else

this site man

[candid lily]

Nah just the people not understanding how auctions work

[dire pine]

[shut lagoon]

it's every week

there's no etiquette man

[dire pine]

or when you get outbid literal SECONDS before the auction ends

[shut lagoon]

bro are you fr

two in a row

[dire pine]

HAHAHA

[shut lagoon]

for moderation slot 2

went up with them, not going higher
slot's about to be more expensive than slot 1

[muted ocean]

I finally got Currency 1 after a month

[shut lagoon]

the fact the CPM doubled in 2 minutes

[harsh monolith]

@mortal forge please stop lowballing

[mortal forge]

What do you mean?

[harsh monolith]

[mortal forge]

Idk what you define as lowballing so

Ends in 28s btw

[marble matrix]

[hard nacelle]

hey guys when do the won auctions go into play ? like i won bids this morning will they not be implemented till tomorrow or how does that work?

[brittle carbon]

#auctions-status

[hard nacelle]

so its a 24 hours after the bidding then correct? so once the payment window closes its updated?

[brittle carbon]

Yep. Ads go live about an hour after the payment window closes.

[hard nacelle]

awesoem okay thank you

[split dirge]

When the ads show depend on where your bids were in the list. Ads from high bids show up first early in the week. Ads from low bids show up later in the week.

[jaunty crane]

so 2pm?

CST

[brittle carbon]

Payment deadline is at 7PM UTC (in about 25 minutes) and ads go live around an hour after that.

[jaunty crane]

Ohhh alright, thanks.

[last ridge]

Woah the guy bid on every tag ig

[split dirge]

The tags they outbid me on they aggressively took all the slots with a high total budget.
I respond less aggressively. if the other slot on the tag is available I bid on that instead. Otherwise I intentionally made my first bid for less then all the slots in anticipation of the possibility of having to up the bid (TopGG should fix the stupid restriction of not being able to rebid for lower number of slots - ie lower total budget in the event the tag becomes competitive)

[candid lily]

or just dont bid what you cant afford

[split dirge]

Absolutely. people should consider what they can afford in their bidding strategy

[muted ocean]

well I thought I'll go for Economy 1 or 2 this week, but both of the slots have this

[feral grail]

[muted ocean]

how does one do $20 CPM on anything really?

[candid lily]

Perhaps getting a guaranteed slot

[split dirge]

An effective way to guaranteed slots if that's what they're doing. I'm guessing they don't understand bidding

[restive sorrel]

considering they were previously an employee here i assume they understand how bidding works

maybe they just wanted to bid that much

[brittle carbon]

Imo the CPM isn't that important. If you're happy getting X impressions for X max budget then that's what matters.

Just look at Fun tag slot 1, it often gets up and above $8 CPM with decent max budgets. Just because those bot devs see the value in it and are happy to invest whatever budget they set for X impressions.

But don't get me wrong, bidding $20 @ $20 is still pointless. Bidding $20 @ $100 makes far more sense if you want to guarantee the slot and spend $100.

[neat valley]

i think i found bug

[candid lily]

Unsure what you're referring to

[neat valley]

when i click announcements page it changes to live

even bot isnt live

[neat valley]

Its not accurate

[split dirge]

The rules for rebidding after being outbid are stupid. If someone only take to take back a portion of the impressions with a higher bid they should be given only the option to aggressively take back more impressions

[candid lily]

thats how auctions work?

[split dirge]

I missed typed that, I meant to say
If someone only wants take to take back a portion of the impressions with a higher bid they should not be limited to only the option to aggressively take back more impressions

[arctic dirge]

https://i.imgur.com/ovSE4fF.png how do ads get the "Learn more" button?

[candid lily]

Custom product

[arctic dirge]

https://i.imgur.com/dUIQ0IJ.png this?

[candid lily]

Yes

[arctic dirge]

thank you

[neat valley]

Reminder to everyone, please pay for your bids now or you'll end up like me

[mortal forge]

What do you mean?

[neat valley]

You'll forget to pay for your bid and lose your spot

[split dirge]

When someone put the lowest bid for less then all the impressions I should be able to put another low bid to take impressions after them. I should not be required to make a high bid. High and low bids appearing at different times of the week are strategic.

[wide barn]

When the same person has slot 1 and slot 2 and bullies you out of both :(

[muted ocean]

Yeah that's not something you wanna see

[steady abyss]

Ope. If it was me, let me know. I don't want to be that guy.

Sharing is caring.

[earnest slate]

So kind!

[steady abyss]

xeno has arrived 😂

[neat valley]

😭

[wide barn]

Hey if they wanna pay double to have both slots and have their own product advertised twice side by side, that's their own prerogative. Just annoying :P

[harsh monolith]

Front page slowly getting eaten away from Double Counter.

[muted ocean]

yes I forgot about my slots

so nothing this week for me

[earnest slate]

Paid my bills, I would advise you to do the same!

[blissful torrent]

Pretty happy with the final repartition though, but there would have been space remaining for Maki! 🤪

[fallen tartan]

Do we, our selves, count as a view when viewing the different tags? (Assuming we are logged in, of course)
I'm asking on behalf of our own tags

[brittle carbon]

Yes

[true palm]

Might return next week 🤔

[warm bison]

hi, what's the average ctr for the top voted bots slot 1 ad

i'm getting around a 7%, not sure if it's good relative to other ads

[brittle carbon]

You can calculate the CTR based on the stats on the live bidding page for that slot

[warm bison]

oh thank you! seems like I'm getting the average ctr

[brittle carbon]

7% is extremely good CTR by CPM standards. Other ads like Google and Facebook etc get far less.

[toxic brook]

@normal flame let the poor man have some impressions :(

[normal flame]

sorry mate nothing personal

[toxic brook]

dw im jk

[true palm]

wtf?

bro dropped 700 for basically nothing

[fallow lodge]

Lol

[normal flame]

well they only spend it if they actually pay

[candid lily]

iirc if they don't pay, they wont be able to participate in auctions again

Since rip max bid

[muted ocean]

Does the max bid reduce with every failed payment until it's eventually 0?

[candid lily]

yes

[split dirge]

$100 for the first 1k spots. It's likely the estimate is wrong and the second bidder will get some impressions

[warm bison]

what if I miss my pay due to the systems fault of not automatically paying from my wallet, has happened multiple times 😄

[candid lily]

#auctions-status hints towards checking if autopay went through

since autoplay is not reliable

[vast hound]

Can someone quickly explain me what's Front Page - Top Voted & Top Page ? I know what's the front page but what's the other one? I mean the difference

[warm bison]

ugh, whats the initial budget before all the reductions due to unpaid ones

[uneven sage]

what happens if i bid more than i have in my wallet?

[warm bison]

you either have to add real money or lose (a portion) your bidding status

[uneven sage]

@finite crag ^^

[warm bison]

they can't see this channel

[finite crag]

Oh

[warm bison]

i think

[finite crag]

Ok

[warm bison]

oh what, people without the auctions role can see this channel?

[uneven sage]

yes

since long time

[normal flame]

wtf why lol

[warm bison]

damn, lots has changed

[vast hound]

and what if I bid on 2-3 tags & only pay for 1?

[warm bison]

you lose a portion of your bidding status

your limit goes down

[normal flame]

Top Voted is the topmost ad on the landing page, Trending new is a different ad slot on the home page that's much harder to see (which is why it gets so few clicks)

[vast hound]

i see

[vast hound]

is that all?

I'm asking because I wanna bid on a lot of tags as people keep outbidding me & I'll pay for the one I can yk

[warm bison]

you'll get banned if you repeatedly do it

[vast hound]

i see makes sense

[warm bison]

well you'll have to pay for all the ones which hold your bid

[vast hound]

mhm

also, is my bot required to have the tag I place my bid on or the ad will display regardless?

[warm bison]

it will display regardless

[vast hound]

alright thanks

[brittle carbon]

This isn't possible. You have to pay for all winning bids.

You cannot cherrypick winning bids and pay for them

[vast hound]

alright, got it

[true palm]

I actually won my slots?

weird

I only lost one slot

That gives like no impressions

[restive sorrel]

probably because no one could use the website

look at #auctions-support

[vast hound]

congratulations mate

[true palm]

oof

Good thing i bidded last night

[neat valley]

Well I spent too much money this time around

[vast hound]

what slots did you assure?

[neat valley]

I didn't realize I had spent 400 dollars

[vast hound]

i mean secure*

[blissful torrent]

Planned so badly, my two spots are gonna run simultaneously

[vast hound]

certainly a good draw within $31

[true palm]

I was budget for 60 but lucked out

[vast hound]

my budget was 45 this time but it didn't let me place a bid

[true palm]

well to be fair i havent bid in weeks

[vast hound]

makes sense, do you go with credits or pay with cash?

[true palm]

Cash, i have no credits this time around

[vast hound]

i see fair enough

I hope it doesn't bug me out next time xD

[true palm]

Maybe ill get you lunch next time

[normal flame]

sometimes i feel dumb

then i remember there are people who spend $100 to get less than 5 clicks

[fallow talon]

I still hope that these people use vote credits when bidding such a amount

[south shore]

💀 it told me i got outbid as my latest message, not that I won and had to pay

and then I lost my slot bc i didn't pay

and autopay is enabled

[candid lily]

Autopay isn't reliable

[brittle carbon]

We say that in #auctions-status and you got the ping so...

[restive sorrel]

why don't you put a warning on the page

[rough obsidian]

Hey @brittle carbon! I DM’d two moderators with a link to the page and a screenshot of the review but never heard back.

We’d like to run auctions with you guys next week but are concerned that the misleading one star will hinder our conversion.

Is there anything I can do to fix this? 💀

[brittle carbon]

I've forwarded your message to the mod team

[rough obsidian]

Thank you!

[torn patio]

Hey, if no one reached out yet I'm around

[rough obsidian]

Thanks @torn patio. I just sent a DM

[neat valley]

I want to add a feature to my bot but I can't find any ideas (except music)

What do you think should I add?

[arctic dirge]

economy

[split dirge]

I'm operating blind because I don't know what features your bot already has. However some ideas
-> Calendar / Fact of the day: Auto posts information on specified days
-> Profile : Stores and upon command displays information users enter about themselves
-> Moderations: standard warn, mute, kick, ban
-> Chatbot: More complicated because it requires some type of AI to know how to respond
-> Translation : May require paid subscription to translation engine

Also for music bots sound cloud is a good source as long as geographic restrictions are respected. Many other music bots are stealing content

[neat valley]

Chatbot is a good idea, my friend, translator is also a good idea, other features you mentioned are available in my bot.

[wet plaza]

I have an AI chatbot. Its already pending in the bot queue on top.gg.

[neat valley]

My bot doesn't just consist of her but 😇🤠

[granite kernel]

Can i pay in auction with amazon voucher or any other way?

I don't have paypal

[earnest slate]

Here you can see the possible payment methods

[mortal crag]

why do i feel like all the devs for topgg quit

[split dirge]

Probably because they have all kinds of small glitches. Then they don't hire sufficient support staff either so customers have to wait for things to be fixed

[fallen tartan]

Because you're probably right

[split dirge]

The people in USA that "lost" an hour this weekend should be mindful that the auction timelines don't observe day light saving time

[steady abyss]

Thanks for the reminder. Completely forgot today was Monday.

[brittle carbon]

No problem! I completely forgot about daylight savings

[brittle carbon]

Correct

#auctions-status

[vast hound]

good luck everyone

what does "4 bidding right now" mean? https://prnt.sc/evuyiXqeec2H

[brittle carbon]

There are 4 people currently looking at that slot

[vast hound]

I see, alright

[mystic python]

Means 4 people have that page open I think

[fallow lodge]

fuck i missed it

by 2 mins

ok someone should teach these people how to bid

[compact aurora]

bruh

[mortal crag]

lol i thought i just sniped anime1 for a second but the timer didnt update locally

[compact aurora]

bros wasting valuable money

[mortal crag]

[fallow lodge]

lol

[vast hound]

https://prnt.sc/pnnBQte5u5FT

I got like 35 left but people just overbid'd on the slots I aim'd for

[brittle carbon]

?

[brittle carbon]

Not sure what you mean?

[granite python]

It says I have an active campaign for something I didn't bid for, 3 clicks from 0 impressions and 14 clicks from 1 impression

[mint vigil]

LOL

[vast hound]

Oh nothing xD. I meant I've like 35 left in my wallet but bids on all tags are way too high :(

[mint vigil]

why do people bid so much on slots that have incredibly low CTRs

is there something i'm missing

[vast hound]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[granite python]

some tags actually have better CTRs than the front page

[mint vigil]

ya

[granite python]

thats a better CTR than front page

[mint vigil]

game 1 is pretty good too

[vast hound]

is that the fun tag?

[granite python]

moderation 1

[vast hound]

Ah I see

[granite python]

also

so yeah

[mint vigil]

fire

[granite python]

niche isn't bad

[mint vigil]

are estimated impressions accurate from your experience

[granite python]

i think they're based on the previous week

so they are more or less

[vast hound]

i just secured the whole rp2 tag for myself withi 10 https://prnt.sc/4Hktxgik0AgH

[vast hound]

yeh they're the stats of previous week most likely

[granite python]

when do these ads go live, next week?

[delicate onyx]

#auctions-faq message

[brittle carbon]

Was the experience with the promotables dropdown better this week?

[fallow lodge]

didn't notice any difference tbh

[brittle carbon]

Switching between tabs shouldn't have caused them to reload each time?

They should only have needed to load once upon opening

[mystic python]

Tbh a lot seemed better this week then two/ three weeks ago when I last used it, seemed a lot smoother and yeah few weeks back I had the problem where my server wasn’t loading in the drop down and it wouldn’t let me bid in the last few minutes, but this week it worked seamless 👌

[brittle carbon]

That's great to hear. We did implement some caching on the dropdown to help make things run more smoothly.

We've noticed less issues being reported this week too

Only 3 tickets in 2 hours which is a massive improvement!

[mortal crag]

@brittle carbon might’ve been when you deployed these changes if not in the past couple of days, but i think over the weekend i had some issues loading guilds and bids. Other than that today was pretty good.

I can’t recall if it was saturday or friday, i’ve lost track of time.

[brittle carbon]

There were some downtime issues on the main site over the weekend which were unrelated to this deployment. If the main site is down, most of the time it can cause issues where bots and servers don't load in auctions since it can't fetch them from the API.

[mortal crag]

That would've been it then, thanks for letting me know though.

[brittle carbon]

No problem!

[wary fjord]

What is auction ?

[brittle carbon]

-auctions

[forest fox]

Top.gg Auctions

Auctions information
You can find out more about Top.gg auctions by reading this support article

**Current Auctions Stage**

We're currently in the stage of Auctions Bidding, This stage runs from <t:1678215600:F> (<t:1678215600:R>) to <t:1678734000:F> (<t:1678734000:R>). During this stage, you will be able to bid. At the end of auction , you will be given 24 hours to pay.

Auctions Timing Update
Next Ads Go Live / Next Auctions Starting: <t:1678820400:F> (<t:1678820400:R>)
Next auctions ending: <t:1679338800:F> (<t:1679338800:R>)

[wary fjord]

Ohk

[halcyon hazel]

is auction over for this week?

[brittle carbon]

Please read above

[lucid lily]

Auctions Information

You can find out more about Top.gg auctions on the Auctions Support Article

Next Auction starts at

<t:1678820432:f> (<t:1678820432:R>)

Current Auction ends at

<t:1679338832:f> (<t:1679338832:R>)

Ads from current auction start going live at

<t:1678820432:f> (<t:1678820432:R>)

[halcyon hazel]

So it already started

ok

thanks

[neat valley]

Whats a good price for impressions?

ah bidding isnt open

[brittle carbon]

Bidding is open. Disable your adblock.

[fallow lodge]

@earnest slate are you sure they are not a spam account

[earnest slate]

I've talked to them

[fallow lodge]

[mortal crag]

If anyone sees this and decides to compete with me on Anime 1, you will lose. Please save your money 💜

[cunning egret]

[river gulch]

Let me bid on it

[mortal crag]

Just hang till next week, brother.

[true palm]

Im broke so no slots for me this week

Whoever wants Giveaways and Voter you are free

[brittle carbon]

Nobody was going to ask you for permissions anyway Bidding is open to all

[eager blaze]

Around how many members do you all get in your servers by advertising on topgg? 🤔

[mortal crag]

enough

[brittle carbon]

It really depends on your target audience, your budget, where you're advertising, what your ad looks like and how engaging your server is for them to want to stay. We only do a very small part of the work by putting your link in front of people, 95% of the work is up to you if you want your ads to convert well.

[half swallow]

i dont know but the people bidding $100 for 1k impressions on trending new slot one are not gonna get as much as they expect out of that

[brittle carbon]

-cpm

[forest fox]

What is CPM bidding?
Top.gg Support Article

[brittle carbon]

You should never spend $100 @ $100

[neat valley]

damn never knew mac was cold 👀

[vast hound]

@lilac abyss Hey, if you don't mind then we can trade a slot for a slot

[candid lily]

lol

[vast hound]

[harsh monolith]

I just managed to increase a bid by .01, this shouldn't be possible.

At least I believe it shouldn't be.

[lilac abyss]

eh which bot are u from

[vast hound]

lmao it's fine, my bot was Zoey

[mortal crag]

gg ez

[lilac abyss]

i only check pings here after auction ends lol

you shouldve dmed

[harsh monolith]

@mortal crag give me your money

[mortal crag]

[harsh monolith]

I'll trade you a candle for it

🕯️ 👍

[mortal crag]

🤣

[toxic brook]

uh yeah that shouldn't be possible technically

are u sure you did that?

[harsh monolith]

yes

Several times

Bottom bid was 4.33 (or similar) and I managed to outbid with .01 more.

[brittle carbon]

You can outbid someone else by 0.01 as long as your previous bid was more than 0.25 less than your new bid.

For example:
Someone else: 1.00
My old bid: 0.75

My new bid: 1.01

[harsh monolith]

oh

That makes sense

[brittle carbon]

Minimum increments only apply to your own bids

You'll be happy to hear we've recorded 0 bugs this week! 👀 Also we've had 0 support tickets opened since auctions closed yesterday!

Seems like auctions is more reliable now with our recent fixes

[mortal crag]

Thats poggers

Literally feels like Christmas

[toxic brook]

oh woww i myself didn't know that, that's nice makes sense

demotion moment

[brittle carbon]

Still no auctions tickets and it's been 16h since close 👀

Seems like all the issues are fixed?

[lavish mantle]

[mortal crag]

the anime tag be bussin tho soon

[red adder]

hows life Mac.

aka Top.gg manager

[half swallow]

what's a good CTR?

[steel marten]

how is this supposed to work?

[brittle carbon]

CTR varies per slot. You can calculate the average CTR for any slot by using the estimated impressions and clicks that are shown in the bidding window for each slot.

[mortal crag]

@brittle carbon Is it true Auctions will be switching to a non-weekly runtime system thing?; You bid for something, wait your turn, money runs out then your ad ends, and repeat?

[brittle carbon]

Yep we are indeed working on a continuous CPM product. It's a total re-write from the ground up. We've scrapped everything from the current alpha build and we're starting over, taking all our learnings and feedback from the current version with us into this new advertising system.

[mortal crag]

That sounds really really good. I believe CPM was the best change for TopGG, but I always disliked that it was weekly, and at 5am

I hope that its near release too

[brittle carbon]

You and me both!

[mortal crag]

@brittle carbon
Does this new system work by queuing people who bid?

or

Does it work similar like a queue, but it'll rotate around, say, 5 people at a time. Until their budgets run out and it goes to the next person?

[brittle carbon]

It'll rotate around the top 3 or so bidders until their budgets run out in order to prevent one person from monopolising any slots

[split dirge]

hmm so makes it less important to strategically have a mixture of high and low bids in order to spread out the ads

[brittle carbon]

Well not really, because we'll also be allowing you to target demographics more specifically, like only show your ads in the US to people on a Windows desktop for example. So you can fine-tune your campaigns a lot more.

And since we'll be cycling top bidders your low CPM ad stands a chance of appearing sooner than it currently does.

[mortal crag]

@brittle carbon sounds good man, I really hope this does release soon, I have high hopes

[mystic python]

Clicks on the analyse page, is that clicks on the invite button or clicks to open the topgg page for your advert (server / bot )

[brittle carbon]

That's clicks on the icon, title, description or buttons of your ad.

[mystic python]

Got it 👌

[mortal crag]

@brittle carbon Got another question regarding our topic there, if you don’t mind. What will become of the bidding style? Will it just be us having to bid a budget and nothing else (non CPM if i’m correct). And the system cycles the top # of people.

Or would it still be using Paying X per 1000 impressions at a Y max budget?

[brittle carbon]

It'll be a continuous CPM style system. So you'll still set your CPM and max budget, similar to Google Ads.

[mortal crag]

So basically, instead of weekly cycles, its limited to the end of your budget 🤔 and this means extra impressions wouldn't be a thing either?

Paying per 1000 impressions set at a limited budget, with the paying-per acting as who is prioritized, or totally random cycling between Top #3?

I think my question is what is the point of retaining CPM (the "paying-per"). My knowledge on CPM-styled bidding must be lacking.

Sorry for all the questions, much curious

[brittle carbon]

Yep no more extra impressions!

It will be the CPM bid that decides who the top 3 are and will cycle between them randomly until they have their impressions served and cycle in the next lowest bids as the higher bids cycle out.

Keeping CPM allows our advertising customers to be more strategic about their bidding and also allows our customers to set the price rather than us forcing a set CPM price upon everyone. Bidders with high CPM would have their ads shown immediately, but also see their budgets run out at a faster rate and so bidders with a lower CPM can play the long game if they want to get better value on perhaps a lower budget, much like how it works at the moment.

On top of that, as I mentioned, this will allow you to target your campaign based on things like the user's location and browser data, but also per keyword. There will no longer be "slots" on tags etc. like we currently have, except perhaps for the homepage. Instead, you can appear on any keywords that you run your campaign against.

So we believe that lower CPM bidders could benefit highly from being strategic about their keyword and other targeting choices where they'll see far more value than they're currently getting from the current system.

[mortal crag]

Okay this very much clears things up, thanks for your help Mac.

As always, looking super forward to when this arrives

[split dirge]

Under the current system I do a mixture of high and low bids to have ads showing through out the week.
It sounds like the new system has no weekly (other other specific) cycle. High bids result in ads being shown more frequently for a short period. Low bids result in ads being shown less frequently for a longer period. Throw in to this ability to target to specific demographics.

[low nymph]

does it take a second for my payment to go through? i paid for my add and im trying to place a bid for next the next round and its saying i have to pay my last one yet

[mortal crag]

It’s an instant thing, probably best to open a ticked in #auctions-tickets

[low nymph]

I messaged someone about it thank you

[mortal crag]

glad to hear

[wise compass]

Uhh I accidentally bid on a slot with the wrong product can I take back the bid?

I don’t want to get banned from bidding in the future but that product legit has nothing attached to it

[oak whale]

You can bid the same amount with a different product and it'll update/override

[molten harness]

ok

[wise compass]

Thank you!

[split dirge]

I can't relate to why Zefira finds it desirable to have their ad in both slots at the beginning of the week. They are wasting my advertising funds by pushing both of mine to the end of the week.

[brittle carbon]

We don't need negative commentary and criticism about other people's bidding here thanks @split dirge. Getting outbid is what happens in an auction. That's the way it works.

[muted ocean]

I'm curious as to how the New Page Slot 1 (3rd one) got so many clicks despite me being outbid. What do those clicks represent?

those 2 impressions are hilarious as well

[normal flame]

This sounds much better than the current system. Will keywords be matched against user search query? Will we still be able to advertise on "tag" pages (for example, if one keyword is "social" will we show up on the "Social Tag" page)?

[junior moon]

hmmm

[brittle carbon]

That's the idea yes

[arctic dirge]

has to be a bot

[junior moon]

no :)))

[wise compass]

Can I pay for ads with gift cards or are they blocked?

[brittle carbon]

You can pay using any payment method listed on the payment popup. If you encounter any issues with your card, please contact Fastspring support.

-fastspring

[forest fox]

If you're encountering errors with Fastspring while trying to pay for your auctions slots, please try some of [these solutions](#auctions-support message) which have worked for users in the past.

If this still doesn't work, please try contacting Fastspring support since we're unable to assist you further as this issue comes from the payment processor.

[wise compass]

Ty

Trying to bid before the period for this week ends lol

[wise compass]

when do the new ads start?

[brittle carbon]

-auctions

[forest fox]

Top.gg Auctions

Auctions information
You can find out more about Top.gg auctions by reading this support article

**Current Auctions Stage**

We're currently in the stage of Auctions Bidding, This stage runs from <t:1680030000:F> (<t:1680030000:R>) to <t:1680548400:F> (<t:1680548400:R>). During this stage, you will be able to bid. At the end of auction , you will be given 24 hours to pay.

Auctions Timing Update
Next Ads Go Live / Next Auctions Starting: <t:1680634800:F> (<t:1680634800:R>)
Next auctions ending: <t:1681153200:F> (<t:1681153200:R>)

[wise compass]

also it says auction ends in 3 minutes on the bid page

is that true?

[cloud kindle]

if someone bids it adds 2 mins

[neat valley]

Todays auction was awesome

I still lost though

[normal flame]

any rough ETA on that feature? We looking at weeks or months?

[brittle carbon]

There's no ETA but we'll make sure to update in #announcements when it's released.

[earnest slate]

Good performance so far this week!

[river gulch]

[mortal crag]

Bro what the actual fuck

That is some serious super amazing CTR bro

Congratulations

[open gale]

🫠

[jagged sierra]

Did the auctions end today?

[toxic brook]

-auctions

[forest fox]

Top.gg Auctions

Auctions information
You can find out more about Top.gg auctions by reading this support article

**Current Auctions Stage**

We're currently in the stage of Auctions Bidding, This stage runs from <t:1680634800:F> (<t:1680634800:R>) to <t:1681153200:F> (<t:1681153200:R>). During this stage, you will be able to bid. At the end of auction , you will be given 24 hours to pay.

Auctions Timing Update
Next Ads Go Live / Next Auctions Starting: <t:1681239600:F> (<t:1681239600:R>)
Next auctions ending: <t:1681758000:F> (<t:1681758000:R>)

[neat valley]

Anyone know what Chegg is?

[candid lily]

http://google.com/search?q=what is chegg

[steady abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/palmas-gif-26050611

Damn youuuu Tranquilittyyy

😂

[fallow lodge]

fire

bidded $15

so

[oak whale]

why is your nickname that bun lol

[fallow lodge]

idk

i forgot

lol

i kept getting outbidded

so i went wise and went to a troll tag

amongus

[candid lily]

amongus tag

pogu

[steady abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-gif-20589966

tranquility got me all over the map

[candid lily]

lmao

the one who's bidding likely

#bids

[steady abyss]

there's a war going on in the chegg tag

[covert yacht]

1k bot impressions is how many bot adds ~

[split dirge]

1k means 1000. An impression means the ad displaying for one person

[bold light]

.auctions

-auctions

[forest fox]

Top.gg Auctions

Auctions information
You can find out more about Top.gg auctions by reading this support article

**Current Auctions Stage**

We're currently in the stage of Auctions Bidding, This stage runs from <t:1680634800:F> (<t:1680634800:R>) to <t:1681153200:F> (<t:1681153200:R>). During this stage, you will be able to bid. At the end of auction , you will be given 24 hours to pay.

Auctions Timing Update
Next Ads Go Live / Next Auctions Starting: <t:1681239600:F> (<t:1681239600:R>)
Next auctions ending: <t:1681758000:F> (<t:1681758000:R>)

[fallow lodge]

best tag fr

[open gale]

:salute:

[fallow lodge]

Some users have been using bidding history to abuse the Auctions system in a way that made it unfair and uncompetitive for others. We hope hiding bidding history will help combat this behaviour and place everyone on an equal footing.

doesn't that just mean no one can plan how they are going to bid based on history of that tag? seems kinda a weird move imo

maybe removing the mentioning of users in that channel so people can still see what spends are like on that tag, rather than removing the history fully

[brittle carbon]

Yep! We have considered that and we are already thinking of possibly adding a way to see the average CPM for a given slot on a particular week in order to help people plan their campaigns, but it's still unclear how valuable an average CPM value will be given some bids are at wildly high CPMs from people who don't quite understand how CPM bidding works.

If you have ideas or suggestions we'd love to hear them

-feedback

[forest fox]

Please leave feedback on our official feedback page!

You can read here for more information on how to make a suggestion or provide feedback and access our feedback page directly at https://feedback.top.gg/.

[fallow lodge]

I feel like something like this in bids would be better

alrighty

[candid lily]

Feel free to suggest it yeah, that looks like something cool

[brittle carbon]

Yeah we could probably implement something like that pretty easily and that would be pretty cool

[fallow lodge]

even this, means its not just one log consecutive message

anyways i'll post that on feedback

[brittle carbon]

For now we just wanted to improve the current system asap, but we are looking at ways of keeping transparency all whilst making the system better from the bidder's perspective. Finding that sweet spot is something we do feel is important to get right.

[fallow lodge]

https://feedback.top.gg/416

[brittle carbon]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[hollow moth]

Even though I am not directly involved in auctions anymore I think that hiding the message history of bids doesn't bring much to the table as people are still able to write sneaky userbots that log the chat history and forward it to some other place. So by trying to do the right thing you actually give a benefit to userbotters and make legit users' lives harder by having to have the bids channel constantly open.

[brittle carbon]

I understand your concern regarding this. It does seem unlikely but is a possibility of course. We would obviously ban anyone we find breaking Discord TOS in this way. But also perhaps anonymising all bids as mentioned in the suggestion above could also be a good way to combat this?

[worn venture]

At that point why not just remove the channel from the public? Like what purpose does it serve to shortly see an „someone bid $10 on X“
(Apart from scraping to get trends on certain tags which isn’t allowed anyways by tos)

[fallow lodge]

its not scraping, it is handy to search in the channel for certain tags, and find what the average price it goes to is

i've found it handy in the past, makes it easy for preplanning where to bid

but i don't get the point of it being public now with read history disabled, makes it just a useless channel

[worn venture]

Fair, could be sth to just show on the auction page though with average prices based of last week or similar (not sure if it is already)

[true palm]

I like seeing what the mad lads ate bidding on slots without having to keep checking the site but it's not much of a difference for me

[fallow lodge]

also this, i find it REALLY uselesful seeing what other people bid

i get the not showing WHO bid part of it, but seeing values is a helpful insight

[true palm]

Like if I see there are people bidding crazy amounts

I won't even bother to look at those slots

[fallow lodge]

the site is slow and a pain to load whenever you want to see what the current bid is

and that yeah

there are far too many tags so finding tags to use is hard

[true palm]

Idk for me there shouldn't really be expected privacy on a public bid

[fallow lodge]

knowing top.gg it will leak the bidder somewhere

[true palm]

Plus it's not really competitive when people with deep wallets bid unreasonable amounts to capture the slots

Like let's say slot that gets like maybe 500 impressions

Paying $100 for that is absurd and people looking to scrape the lower slots get nothing

[brittle carbon]

We're not removing bidders, that's still accessible on the bidding page. We're just removing the history that's all. Current auctions bids will still show as usual on the site They just won't be attached to a user ID anymore.

In terms of if you search the user or product in Discord I mean

[true palm]

We get that but it's just less conventional

Discord updates in real time

Without you needing to switch between pages

[brittle carbon]

Not everyone wants people to be able to see it, which is understandable. This was feedback we got from a lot of our users during Auctions research calls. But as I explained in the announcement we're looking for a good compromise between transparency, and respecting privacy and preventing abuse of the system.

[true palm]

I'm just not understanding the threat and how it makes things uncompetitive

[brittle carbon]

And it's not just a case of big spenders. Even some users who place smaller bids were still uncomfortable with it.

[brittle carbon]

People were able to use the logs to abuse the system.

That's what makes it uncompetitive for others bidding on the same slot.

[fallow lodge]

What if there was an opt-out of showing bids in the channel

[true palm]

But like how I'm not really fluent in this

[brittle carbon]

I'm not going to explain how to abuse the system to you

[true palm]

Asking for an explanation of what the abuse was not how to do said abuse

[brittle carbon]

^

To basically get slots at lower CPMs

By killing competition

[true palm]

Okay see that's what I was asking lol like what the "abuse" was

[brittle carbon]

[open gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/934267998959702076.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[gritty forge]

Hi

[neat valley]

Well, I suppose things will be better

[harsh kiln]

Is anyone else getting ghost pinged in #bids, I am aware of the #announcements that was made.

[candid lily]

Yeah will pong Mac about, its due to the message history disappearing

[harsh kiln]

Thanks.

[brittle carbon]

Hey! I have a PR open to fix this. Hopefully before next week's auctions, but given the fact it's a Friday afternoon we might hold off until after the payment deadline on Tuesday!

[harsh kiln]

Thanks so much mac.

[brittle carbon]

Thanks for reporting the issue!

[warm cypress]

How can we get the 15$ of vote credit on our first 101 vote ?

[brittle carbon]

-credits

[forest fox]

Auctions Credits

What are credits?

• If enough people vote for your bot or server per month, you have the ability to earn vote credits that you can then use for auctions.
• Don’t know what auctions is? See here to learn more and here to participate.
• These auction credits can be used to pay for any winning bids you may make.
• You CANNOT “withdraw” them for real money.

How does the system work?

• Each month, bot monthly votes reset (midnight UTC).
• If you get 100 votes on your bot in the month, you can redeem $15 worth of voting credits (note: you can’t redeem till you actually get 101 votes).
• Any vote after 100 will be worth $1 per 1000 votes (or $.001 per 1 vote).

How do I redeem them?

• At the end of the month, you will be eligible to redeem your credits (you redeem them on your bot or server's Votes page). You will have 30 days to redeem them before they expire.
• After you redeem them, you have 31 days to use them before they expire.

How do I use vote credits to pay for Auctions?
-When you pay for your winning bid, you can "Pay with Credits".
-If your payment cost is more than the amount of credits you have, make sure to apply the credits first and then pay the rest with the supported payment providers.

:bulb: You can read more about using your vote credits in our vote credit support article.
You can read more about Auctions in our Auctions support articles.

[warm cypress]

thanks

[glossy flower]

I second this, it’s a channel 99% of people won’t be able to see the messages in, so having it public is just confusing.

I don’t believe in this context wherein people place a public bid on a public platform that they have an inherent right to privacy. You can see who owns the app or server that’s being bid for, I don’t see how this change prevents abuse in any way.

I know tags are highly variable but without knowing what a tag typically goes for, you have no conclusion of what’s fair to pay for it.

People spend a lot of money on auctions and preventing them from making informed decisions is in my opinion unreasonable.

[mortal crag]

👍🏼

[glossy flower]

You can use reactions instead of pinging

[mortal crag]

My bad

[neat valley]

so what's the point of not being able to read auctions history if I can't even read my own bids?

[brittle carbon]

We'll be removing the pings soon! You can still see your bids on the bidding website.

[uneven sage]

hm

#966027989374627840 not giving me roles, i guess its broke

[brittle carbon]

You have to use id:customize instead

[uneven sage]

ty

it does not have option for job thing

[brittle carbon]

We removed it

[uneven sage]

okk

[austere sky]

i forgot to calculate tax and well uhh

i cant pay the auction yay

[mortal crag]

bruh how'd you ping that, been searching for the name since it released

[brittle carbon]

<id:customize> you can also do <id:home> <id:browse>

But server homes were recently removed from Discord iirc

[mortal crag]

yes they were, and thank you @brittle carbon

[brittle carbon]

No problem!

[brittle carbon]

The update has been deployed. Bids no longer ghost ping in #bids!

[shut lagoon]

what update? does it set like { allowed_mentions: { parse: [] } } now

[brittle carbon]

Yes

[shut lagoon]

ah nice

that's actually nice to have anyway, it was a bit annoying getting pinged in there every time

[brittle carbon]

Agreed! 🙌

[austere sky]

thanks to whoever bid after me lol

[frosty furnace]

How do i bid?

Its still grayed out?

[oak whale]

It can take around an hour to update due to caching

[umbral jolt]

what is a good ctr rate? first time advertising and getting 7 percent ctr rate in top voted slot... asking because idrk whats the good percentage 😅

[oak whale]

i think 7 is a good spot, 10 is normally really good from what ive seen

[umbral jolt]

ohh

wondering if i should change the tagline? sorry if posting screenshots is not allowed i can delete it.

[oak whale]

If you bid with your bot, it uses the tagline on your bot page. if you bid with a custom product, you can edit it on your auctions create page at any time and itll update in real time (after cache clears)

[umbral jolt]

ooo

[worn tartan]

Wasp

[glossy flower]

If the reason behind removing message history perms for everyone is to prevent abuse, why is it still public

[brittle carbon]

You can still see messages there, just not message history. If you go back to the channel now you won't see them anymore.

[glossy flower]

Yeah that’s not what I asked tho , if the point of removing history perms is to prevent abuse, then why can we still view messages when the channel is in focus. Surely preventing abuse would be preventing people from viewing the channel all together

It’s also a public bid on a public platform so privacy doesn’t really apply

[brittle carbon]

I explained in the announcement

[glossy flower]

Do you not think hiding the channel goes against what you’ve said about transparency?

[brittle carbon]

We're not hiding the channel, you said it yourself

[glossy flower]

The channel history*

[brittle carbon]

I don't see how bids from 6 months ago would be relevant to anyone

For any legitimate reason at least

[glossy flower]

People can’t get an idea what’s fair to pay if they don’t know what the tag generally goes for

So people can over pay for a tag that’s not worth that money

[brittle carbon]

They can already see that on https://auctions.top.gg

[glossy flower]

Only for the current bidding session tho

[brittle carbon]

The cost 6 months ago isn't equivalent to the cost today

If you want to bid I don't see how that would help

[glossy flower]

No, but a mean value over 2-3 months is a lot more useful

[brittle carbon]

What matters is how much the slot costs on the cycle you're bidding on

[glossy flower]

What matters is paying fair value, isn’t it?

[brittle carbon]

Yeah that's why it's an auction

People bid what they think it's worth

If you don't think it's worth the CPM then don't bid

[glossy flower]

If tag A only ever goes for $50, then I know that people don’t believe it’s ever worth more than that so I won’t pay more than that

[brittle carbon]

No tag goes for $50 CPM

[glossy flower]

Total

Not cpm

[brittle carbon]

Total depends on you

[glossy flower]

I’m aware of this, I’m talking about a total amount to pay for a tag, saying 50c cpm or $10 cpm doesn’t matter much, what matters is how much people think the total value of the tag is worth

I can’t know what the total value of the tag is if I don’t know what it generally goes for

If a typical person always bids a max $50 then it’s readily apparent that the tag is worth $50

I have no idea what the tag is worth when I jump into it because I can’t see what it’s gone for in the past

It’s like buying something off eBay, if I know an Xbox One typically goes for £130 second hand, I know that if I pay £200 then I’m getting stitched because I’m over paying

[brittle carbon]

This is just basic economics. Supply and demand. If more people want it then the CPM goes up. If less people want it then the CPM goes down. It's very simple. Having bidding history doesn't help you predict how much the CPM cost will be next week. If we look at the Fun tag for example, some weeks it can be an average CPM of $2 and others it can be an average CPM of $8. It depends who shows up to the auctions.

That's how every auction works.

Not just Top.gg

[glossy flower]

Every auction also lets you see the bid history too so you know what’s reasonable to pay

[brittle carbon]

We clearly give you the estimated impressions and the CTR for each slot. It's up to you to make a business decision based on your revenue and your return on investment.

[glossy flower]

Thats not my point tho, I can’t know if what I’m paying for is fair value if I don’t know what it’s actual worth is as a tag

The bid history of what it sells for tells me it’s actual worth as a tag

[brittle carbon]

The argument of "not being able to see the bid history will inflate prices" is totally invalid. This week's auctions was proof of that. The fun tag had an average CPM of $2.78 which is far lower than usual.

Record low CPMs for the first week of a hidden #bids channel

So technically it makes it more competitive?

Not sure what the issue is here unless you prefer to pay more?

[glossy flower]

It just means people now don’t have the knowledge they did so now they have to be more careful on how much they bid

[brittle carbon]

You should only be bidding what you think it's worth and what you can afford anyway. Doesn't change.

[glossy flower]

Yes, value will change per person, what’s worth $50 to me might be worth $5 to you. But I can’t know how much the actual items value would be if I don’t know what they generally pay for something like that

[brittle carbon]

Determining the value of something is the whole definition of "an auction"

So it depends who you're bidding against

If it's only worth $5 to you and $50 to them this week then they'll win

[glossy flower]

The comparison before of buying an item from ebay, if I know this item is worth $50, if I pay $100 then I know I’m overpaying, if I pay $20 then I know I’ve got one hell of a deal

[brittle carbon]

And you can try another slot

Auctions happen every week and some weeks you can get a slot for cheap like this week

Other weeks it's expensive

It depends who's bidding

Hiding history doesn't change that

It doesn't change who shows up

[glossy flower]

It’ll likely make me bid a more reasonable amount if I know what’s reasonable to begin with

[brittle carbon]

You'll always lose to someone who has more money

There are good weeks and bad weeks. Hiding history doesn't change that.

We had proof this week as I said

[glossy flower]

You wouldn’t pay £2 a click for an ad on google if you know it’s only worth £0.50 would you?

[brittle carbon]

I wouldn't advertise on Google at all

Seeing the CTR on Top.gg is enough for me to make a decision on my ROI

It's my ROI that's important

[glossy flower]

It’s also about knowing whether I’m paying fair value, I can get a better ROI if I know where the typical stopping point is for people bidding on the tag

If people stop at $500 max bid, I’m not going to go bid $800 max because that’s stupid

[brittle carbon]

It depends on what you want

[glossy flower]

So I know as long as I stay in the general region of $500 then I’m probably getting a good deal and I also got a better ROI than what I thought

[brittle carbon]

If you participate in auctions regularly you know how much a slot goes for

[glossy flower]

I’d also know how much it goes for if I can see the bid history too, I don’t care for names, it’s just the actual general sale value that I care for

[brittle carbon]

We have a suggestion for that already in https://feedback.top.gg I'd suggest sharing your thoughts there so we have a record

[red adder]

yo

[mortal crag]

lol you have a point

i’m glad you removed history in #bids

[glossy flower]

Why?

[mortal crag]

Ah, my bad. I meant mentions. I'm glad we don't get pinged in there anymore.

[river gulch]

My product never appeared in #bids , bc Discord blocks the webhook name

[candid lily]

Whats the name

[mortal crag]

W

[rough night]

None

[mortal crag]

Nil

[fallow lodge]

Nada

[trail forum]

my

[kindred elm]

i said that in january how did you find it 😟

[trail forum]

i was looking like that xd

[solar birch]

100 $

[mortal crag]

100.5$

[neat valley]

0.01$

[trail hatch]

Hola

[karmic owl]

<@&556148669242408971> a few things ahead of auctions this week.

1. if you are missing credits, please message @oak whale and she can apply them. I’m aware votes reset early. I put some more info in #site-status
2. we’ve decided to remove ALL third party ads ahead of this weeks auctions cycle. The goal is for our own auctions slots to perform much better as a result. We plan to keep it this way and double down on auctions. Though no promises yet.

[mortal crag]

So more attention to people who bid = more impressions for bidders?

i think im too tired to interpret

[karmic owl]

No more annoying ads render on the page so full attention on your slots yes. The only place we may keep them is voting as they pay for auction credits. But right now everything is gone as a test

[mortal crag]

ill come back in 8hr

[novel furnace]

sleep well

[mortal crag]

[harsh monolith]

#site-status You expect us to remember how many credits we had left in our account???

[mortal crag]

gn

[mortal crag]

I had 6004.56

not cap

why u looking at me like im lying heh

[turbid vine]

i can remember bcuz i have 0

[karmic owl]

If not give us rough ballpark. I’m deeply sorry. It was my decision and i made the wrong call resetting ahead of auctions.

[mortal crag]

jk dont ban me

[harsh monolith]

You guys managed to make such a confusing and worthless update that I don't know what the consequences for us end users are.

[karmic owl]

Can you explain?

[sly pagoda]

They told us to re-claim March's credits though, which is still listed on the site so should be as easy as a copy paste to Xiuh's DM

[raw vault]

[turbid vine]

there are always flaws when something good is happening. atleast give them a chance to fix it 💀 ( edit: legibility )

[sly pagoda]

If you had more votes this month than last month then increase it a bit I guess

[river gulch]

You can look it here up (the amount of votes)

https://dblstatistics.com/bot/563434444321587202

[mortal crag]

@karmic owl Little confused though, you pasted last months amount of credit into this months since this months was wiped. but if we earned more than last months then we're to ask Xiuh to correct that? (if we remember)

[sly pagoda]

that's incomplete though, since votes reset before the end of the month

[harsh monolith]

This is not relevant, the communication about what the consequences are of their database issue are isn't communicated well enough.

[karmic owl]

1. claim your credits so you can use them now for March yes
2. if there’s a delta. Message Xiuh and her and I will track it and make sure everybody gets the correct amount

[river gulch]

Just sum the three numbers up ig

[plucky brook]

eh

ruined

[mortal crag]

Got it, thanks.

[karmic owl]

I asked you to explain and you didn’t?

[plucky brook]

cause he dont care

lol

[ebon siren]

Just a question
For next we going to get credits ?

[wide hedge]

How to make vote logger in server discord?

[compact aurora]

[wide hedge]

I mean vote logger bot

[sly pagoda]

Are you saying we should claim March's credits again now? Because there is no claim button at all

[karmic owl]

Claim the credits from March now. Then message Xiuh if there’s a difference between last month and today

[mortal crag]

Then you probably didn't earn enough the previous month, as the previous month was pasted into this months.

[sly pagoda]

I am sure $1300 is enough

[ebon siren]

Oh okay
Is it with me or with a lot of bots that all votes got reset of this month

[mortal crag]

Then off you go to @oak whale ig

[fallow lodge]

So no more annoying NSFW ads?

[karmic owl]

Correct

[frail snow]

it ain't just you lol

[fallow lodge]

Awesome

[mortal crag]

Consider reading: #site-status message

and the msg above

[fallow lodge]

You should use the DBL stats site to see how many votes users had

I’m sure if you ask nicely enough, Marco/Luke would hand that over

[karmic owl]

It’s still up?

[fallow lodge]

Yes

[karmic owl]

Great idea!!!!

[fallow lodge]

https://dblstatistics.com

[karmic owl]

@violet sand can you ping me a list of votes everyone had on the 25th?

[fallow lodge]

[karmic owl]

Ye this is perfect

Thx

[fallow lodge]

No worries

[uneven sage]

pong

[mortal crag]

@karmic owl really hoping this #announcements > #announcements message pays off and proves to be a great change for both ends of the company.

[karmic owl]

same!

[violet sand]

will take a while, but we should be able to

[karmic owl]

don't worry the site does everything I need!

[steady abyss]

Awesome updates!

[steady abyss]

If you use the web hook, you can see how many people voted, and who voted during the month. If that helps. 🫡

[fallow lodge]

i recommended dblstats because it shows accurate hourly data, easier than webhooks and does not require pim to ask anyone for their vote count

easily verifiable with this site

[slow siren]

I’m really excited to see in what direction top.gg will head now when there is a new staff that tries to fix everything

[earnest slate]

[junior moon]

Where can I suggest categories? There are many thing needed like Genshin Impact, Honkai Star Rail, ...

[trail pine]

Pong

[candid lily]

https://feedback.top.gg

[karmic owl]

Dm me a list

I'll get them added

[slow siren]

can you add my as a friend? then I can send you too

[karmic owl]

Done

[fallow lodge]

on behalf of like every top.gg user, thank you for making long needed changes 🙏

[hexed iron]

Hey I reached out to Xiuh shortly after you posted this message yet haven’t received a response- how long does this usually take?

[earnest slate]

If you read her bio, you would know: She is only available on Monday and Tuesday

[calm holly]

@oak whale Hey I am missing my credits