deep-dive-discussion

[proven carbon]

most of the combinations i've seen have been outright sadistic, even if they aren't always difficult.

[vale lintel]

one of two ways it works - either hand-picked missions from the devs, or it's generated under a set of parameters

pretty sure it's the latter

[burnt sandal]

Elite Threat never spawned that many elite to start with tbh

[vale lintel]

some other stuff, like it's cave complexity 5-6 sometimes it feels like, decreased nitra spawn rate, some things simply can't spawn (korlok, crassus, crafting minerals), increased modifier chance, and so on

and of course it generates funky things sometimes to cope with multiple primary objectives

[proven carbon]

bruh last week's EDD had three big detonators on the drilldozer mission

if that isn't a deliberate choice then either AI is advanced enough to wipe us out, or it's just god that hates everyone and wants to make them suffer.

[vale lintel]

oh no that's just hazard level

the game is normally like that

[proven carbon]

lolno

[vale lintel]

EDDs have hazard 4 for the first stage, hazard 4.5 on the second stage, and hazard 5.5 on the third stage

increased hazard level spawns more bugs alongside the other stuff it does

[proven carbon]

hazard level hasn't influenced detonator spawns that i've seen, unless it's something like flat out no spawns on h1 or something.

[vale lintel]

you ever played haz 1? It sort of is no spawns

[proven carbon]

i've seen detonators on h2 though. i don't think hazard spawns make certain enemies more likely.

[vale lintel]

and yes, the AI that deals with spawning bugs is given two main parameters - a spawnset list of bugs available to spawn for that whole mission, which does not change, and a set amount of weight it can work with for each wave and each swarm. Higher hazard level either gives it more weight to work with or makes each bug 'cost' less, not entirely sure which

so it then can spawn more

[proven carbon]

regardless, 3 detonators on drill escort is a deliberate choice

[vale lintel]

you might get a hazard 1 mission with bulks in the spawnset, but there's a solid chance the AI never manages to spawn it

I get 2-3 detonators on escort all the time as low as hazard 3, the game just does that

[west merlin]

I've only seen like 3-4 elite threat but same here.
Maybe elite praets last long enough to notice

[vale lintel]

keep in mind escort duty spawns constant swarms the entire time the drilldozer is running on top of the swarms while stopped and always is spawning regular waves

[proven carbon]

i've seen maybe one in a couple of escort missions and i primarily play on haz3

[vale lintel]

maybe so, I've seen the occasional slasher, grunt, mactera and trijaw and whatnot but rarely - chances are they die quickly, yes

saw two elite bulks in one mission, an egg hunt I think

[proven carbon]

i'm telling you they at least partially choose the spawns, and the spawns are seeded

[vale lintel]

only ones I've ever seen

[west merlin]

Having played like 7-8 they seem pretty normal aside from a high chance of additional hazards.
I think you just remember the "fun" combos better than normal ones

[vale lintel]

the spawnset is part of the seed, yes, and as such a deep dive will never change spawnset without the whole dive being replaced, but I'm pretty sure the whole system is automated

[proven carbon]

we had two swarmagheddon aquarqs dread missions in the past couple of weeks.

[vale lintel]

even the quotes from each one just draws from a pool for each region

[proven carbon]

i'd love to see what the devs have to say about it. there's no way it's just automated.

[west merlin]

I didn't know crassus and Korlok couldn't spawn but makes sense. They're sort of like tertiary objectives
Would be annoying to get a Crassus while speedrunning.

[vale lintel]

wish the game would give us complexity 4-6 missions other times

except for dense biozone never going there with that

[west merlin]

Try playing some haz 3 with beast master looking for guards/slashers and then some haz 2 with beast master, you can really see the difference

[west merlin]

Or Hollow Bough

[vale lintel]

hollow bough is fine

[proven carbon]

that's neither here nor there.

[vale lintel]

funny large caves sometimes

[west merlin]

Actually I did a complexity 1 hollow bough mining mission yesterday and had one of the most complex caves I've ever seen

Only halfway through

I think it must have been a single narrow tunnel but like folded over on itself several times

Being solo as a non-scout didn't help I suppose

[vale lintel]

yeah linear caverns do that

[west merlin]

First time I've seen one anywhere near that bad

Usually I see complexity 1 will have linear tunnel - big open cave -linear tunnel with one or two side branches the whole way

[burnt sandal]

it's not

you just got unlucky

[proven carbon]

Where's the dubious face emote?

😂

[upbeat obsidian]

High hazard absolutely will increase the chance something crappy spawns, just by virtue of more frequent and dense spawns. If something is in the spawn pool to begin with, it's increasingly likely you will see it, the more times the game "rolls" to see what appears.
Low haz doesn't spawn that many things, so a low % enemy is far less likely to appear at all. High haz ramps up how many chances it has to appear, and you are far more likely to have to repeatedly face off against a Bulk in Haz 5.5 if it's in the spawn pool, the more times the game checks to see what it's throwing at you.

[mellow cove]

Afaik it's not just because of increased bug spawns, high hazards have higher chance to spawn "special" bugs

I assume special is anything other than grunt

[proven carbon]

Maybe I'll run some haz5 escorts and see how many detonators I get.

[mellow cove]

Whenever there's escort in EDD I hear from people that they're getting at least one det

[shadow shoal]

Just remember, if you play haz 2 and a bulk is in the spawn pool, you’ll get lots of bulks

Because lower haz has lower pool limits

[mellow cove]

How does this make sense

[shadow shoal]

Fewer options of bugs to spawn

[mellow cove]

It'll just spawn lots of grunts

[shadow shoal]

Thats what you’d think

But na

[mellow cove]

I highly doubt pool size has anything to do with spawn chances

[upbeat obsidian]

It's true, but even if it didn't spawn more specials in high haz, flat increase in spawns would be enough.

[shadow shoal]

When there are fewer choices of bugs, theres a higher chance of repeats

[mellow cove]

And then there's also lower chance to spawn anything other than grunt?

[shadow shoal]

Yes, but thats a part of every haz

[mellow cove]

Not really, that's low haz specific

Higher hazards have higher chances

[shadow shoal]

With fewer special enemy slots, its more likely to repeat when its time to spawn something other than a grunt

[mellow cove]

But does it mean you'll be getting a lot of those special enemies when the chance is significantly lower than on higher haz?

[upbeat obsidian]

Does lower Haz have a smaller pool? I thought it just spawned less variety from the same random pool size.

[mellow cove]

I'm not even sure about that

[shadow shoal]

iirc it does

[upbeat obsidian]

Not that it matters, if you get three bugs, and all of them are grunts, the special pool could be only Dreadnoughts and you'd never see one.

[mellow cove]

I remember having one hour long haz 1 game and all I got besides grunts was one slasher and two praetorians, that's about all my experience with low haz spawns

[shadow shoal]

I’ve had short haz 2 missions with a lot of one specific special bug, like 5 bulks

That was a weird mission

[upbeat obsidian]

You got 5 bulk spawns in Haz 2?

[mellow cove]

Bad luck I guess

[shadow shoal]

*good

[mellow cove]

Either works

[mellow cove]

Haz 2 doesn't have much else besides grunts, you have to be really (un)lucky to spawn 5 bulks

Or very patient

[outer solstice]

Is anyone doing deep dives?

[radiant granite]

this is correct in multiple different ways.
the game has an "enemy diversity" value, "grunt veteran percent", and "disruptive enemy pool max".
these all increase with hazard level, and all contribute to mixed groups of nasty non-grunt enemies

[mellow cove]

Interesting

[manic pivot]

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[patent cliff]

You don't get anything for doing DD/EDD multiple times right

[vale lintel]

XP and credits

minor amounts of minerals if there's a huuli, not worthwhile for that though

[patent cliff]

Yeah but no extra cores

[vale lintel]

indeed

[patent cliff]

RIP

[atomic anchor]

Is the normal DD different for anyone or is it just me? I got it in the dense biozone

[obtuse ingot]

That was last week's right?

Anyone else have 2 dreadnoughts spawn on the second stage??

[atomic anchor]

Its called whalepipers feast

i mean, i got through it alright but still, weird that it was different

[severe tusk]

Have you left the game running since last Thursday or earlier? If so, it does not refresh new DDs and EDDs until you close and relaunch the game every week.

[obtuse ingot]

Second stage of the elite deep dive that is. 2 random dreadnought spawns on low O2 really wrecked us

[lone lance]

Dotting that stage with supply for O2 is a great idea, but by Karl I would not want to do that place again and face dreads.
Were it twins or two seperate spawns?

[obtuse ingot]

Two separate twins spawns. Could have been worse! Double hive guard would have been terrible

Kept getting low on O2 and having to stand still to get some. Tried standing on top, but it was just too much for us. We're still about maybe 2/3 EDD that we can complete successfully

[lone lance]

Would usually prefer a hive guard but the map would be like 100% goo then

[wraith shard]

To be honest I prefer twins, they’re the easiest to damage and you can drive them into cover to get some breathing room

i do not like twins because they are big damage sponges instead of having interesting weakpoint mechanics

hiveguard is probably the most fun

[lone lance]

There are much worse damage sponges, at least as far as I reckon. You can outlast them by keeping their health stable, but just burning one down is an option, and praying for no heal.

[wraith shard]

Well

Burning one down works lol

Even when they heal

Because if they heal, the other one gives up some health so, yeah

And if they heal, they don’t attack, which can give you some time to maybe resupply or smack some drug crystals

[lone lance]

The heal is bigger the bigger the difference is, but mostly greenbeard herding advice i suppose.

[wraith shard]

To be honest I’m not smart enough to worry about them healing

I just keep shooting them lamo

And I see it as more of a health transfer rather than a heal

[lone lance]

Having them heal big like three times is what hurt me, lol.

[wraith shard]

Oof

[lone lance]

It is both, but people often miss the heal. If you get multiple that turns into a looot of extra health to whittle down.

I had a like 10%/ 80% transfer. Suffering, lol.

[wraith shard]

Oh

Oof

At least when they become invulnerable/heal they can’t attack

[lone lance]

Anyway, thanks for listening to my Ted talk, lol. Just spreadin' the word.

[wraith shard]

Lol

[royal orchid]

I always treated the twins healthbar like it was just 1 big shared healthbar. So the HP transfer is has an actual heal also? I assumed it was just a balancer to keep one from dieing too fast but that the overall avg hp wouldn't change

[lone lance]

It has a heal, yes. The bigger the differencebin hp, the larger the heal in addition to the balancing. You start to notice once you know it. If you can burn one down after the one mandatory heal it makes little difference, but if you don't it adds up.

[wraith shard]

well it's not mandatory

throwback to last week's edd where a bulk instakilled one twin and took out half the other

[burnt sandal]

it is when you don't use a bulk to OS one of them

[wraith shard]

Oh god

I failed my first mission because about 20 seconds in a bulk detonator popped out of a wall and wasted me

Was pretty funny actually

[royal orchid]

Cool thanks for explaining

[proven carbon]

tips for stage 2 EDD?

[old widget]

Get driller to laser focus on paths for pipes, once the pipes are built you have more mobility

Also get driller/engi to team up and clear out a space to maneuver for waves/swarms

IMO stage 2 was mostly about fighting the map

Too many complex paths for bugs to flank / avoid long range fire during waves

[civic yoke]

and make checkpoints

[pale sigil]

perfect way to put it

[edgy lantern]

Get to the big room with the two pumpjacks. Drill/pickaxe to the refinery hub. Fight swarms in the room with two pumpjacks

The main room is a death area with lots of points to fall/no easy way back up/o2+slime is a death combo

It you have driller you likely will have an easier go, but I won as a duo with gunner/scout, and a trio, gunner/gunner/scout

I also recommend killing the poison gas plants in the rooms with the two pumpjacks and you will get a nice open space to run around and kite enemies

[vale lintel]

won it with gunner driller driller scout, though I dunno what was actually going on with our drillers since they decided to satchel charge a new cave into existence between the refinery and that room

rather than, you know, use their drills

[edgy lantern]

probably better that way actually, our tunnel was pretty crammed, not much room for much more than the pipes. It worked out though

[rain wing]

i had a dreadnought spawn in s2 EDD because we took too long

feelsunluckyman

[lone lance]

Sometimes as a driller I excavate the roof of tunnels while riding the pipeline, to be safe.

If there are curves and stuff in the tunnel you might get ejected from riding the line.

[shrewd echo]

Stage 3 was aids

Just because I had like 3 different lobbies wipe at BET-C

When I got a team that didn't instantly die from it we killed it and wrapped the stage up in like 5 minutes LOL

[lone lance]

That open area is a blessing and a curse in a betc fight. Surrounding it + some aggressive minigunner shield play from my side made it a pretty smooth kill, considering it's EDD.

[restive patrol]

wanna know whats a blessing

being able to connect to far away countries and meet a bunch of chads

mopped the elite dive faster than the normal one
absolute madness

[severe tusk]

Yeah, every once in a while you get in with a group of real pros.

[restive patrol]

i couldnt speak polish but i felt so freakin carried by them

ugh chef's kiss

[severe tusk]

I felt kind of bad this EDD because I played poorly, in part because my sound screwed up in game early on. We still won though.

[rain wing]

My group didn't even kill betc, we just walked past and finished the obj lol

[lone lance]

With the barely adequate group I were part of I figured we would either wipe to a planned betc pull now, or later due to an accidental tag, ha.

[knotty ledge]

what's the easiest class to solo the first 2 stages of the EDD this week?

[old widget]

Stage 2 is a pretty nasty map with liquid morkite mining which is rough to do solo due to well placement. Personally I’d recommend cryo driller if you really want that weapon core from a solo run, but YMMV

[plucky plaza]

How long unyil new dives?

[rough kite]

A little under 2 days

[leaden cypress]

thursday

[rough kite]

"Thursday" isn't very meaningful due to time zones, since that could be anywhere from 24 to 48 hours.

[leaden cypress]

Thursday at 12 am GMT

guess that's better

[scarlet jewel]

Anyone got tips for what a 2 man squad could use for loadouts if its a gunner and driller in the edd?

[pale sigil]

Bring stuff that you'll be comfortable using on Mactera for stage 3 but that will serve you well outside that.

Other than that this EDD's challenge mostly comes from Stage 2's wacky cave gen. Be prepared to zipline/drill to make things quick n comfy

[scarlet jewel]

how many mactera are there on stage 3?

is it a lot or "jesus peter christ what in holy hell is this"

[pale sigil]

It's Mactera Plague so

They're 90% of the foes on that stage

It's not too bad tho, the objectives are all clustered together

[old widget]

Yeah the Mac plague was a joke on S3 for us, the team hung out in the entry room and driller/scout popped eggs. Mac swarms all spawned in the middle of the small circular room and got instagibbed by crossfire

[lone lance]

I brought a minigun for s3 Macteras but they arrived so densely I were genuinely thinking if autocannon would not have been better, oof.

But again we were "Jesus christ that's a lot of Macteras" on stage 2. Stage 3 were "holy hell".

[old widget]

IKR, it was like “oh, /this/ is what a lot macteras means”

[lone lance]

Stage 2: "What do you mean this isn't a Mactera plague"
Stage 3: "I take it baaaaack"

[short charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ksRsAa_ZI

Oh shit, mactera.
Anyway.

[lone lance]

It's when you try to do thst a fifth time the fun begins

Also I would have loved to test a cluster in the same situation, heh

[unkempt tusk]

yo, done the deep dive and got the 3 rewards, see if i done the elite deep dive, do i get more rewards?

[unkempt jetty]

hey me and my friend just found a bittergem what is its use?

[lone lance]

"we're rich!"

[shadow shoal]

Elite and normal have rewards independent of each other

[weary meadow]

Bittergems are just money as far as i know, its like ~2-3K cash per gem

[unkempt jetty]

ye, thanks i saw the money when we finished +3k

[proven carbon]

so whoever gave the suggestion to camp in one of the rooms was right and thanks, once i convinced my group to camp there for swarms it went a lot better even after a rocky start.

[edgy lantern]

yeahhhh that is a good room

[proven carbon]

the refinery was an absolute death trap

we almost failed out of stage 3 but pulled it together and got betc

also made a bunker, i didn't think it was necessary but whatever

stage 3 was pretty easy except for the actual garbage

[edgy lantern]

the initial room in stage 2 is just total death

you’ll fall into one of those pits with the slime and you will never escape

but that big room with the two pumpjacks has like no major hazards. we made a triangle of resupply pods and just kited everything

[raven grove]

This was an interesting elite deep dive.

[old widget]

A gentle warmup and cool down mission in stage 1/3 with stage 2 being the main event

[mellow cove]

Typical EDD tbh

I always find stage 2 to be the hardest

[winter lantern]

When does this DD end?

[neat forum]

11 GMT every Thursday

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Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[opal minnow]

Didn’t encounter a single exploder in the EDD

[raven grove]

It was supposed to have exploders?

[opal minnow]

Not specifically from mutators, but I just found it odd that there wasn’t a single one

[slender river]

After that hell of a 2nd map on the EDD the 3rd mission was so easy it felt like Haz 3

Cryo builds be the answer to any map with mactera plague

[agile quiver]

Is there a BET in the last one...?

[slender river]

Yeah

But It's a BET so its easy

makes it even easier having the additional support

[lone lance]

It is in an open area so you can surround and open up on it with little issue, at least

[wraith shard]

BET-C is godly

[lavish vapor]

what's the best solo class / loadout for this weeks EDD?

[lone lance]

No BET-C playing tank simulator and going hull down on your ass at least.

[wraith shard]

I don’t know, haven’t seen it yet

Haven’t been able to play DRG much lately

[slender river]

It has 2-3 attacks, slow movement etc, what makes it so hard?

if that is what you meant

[wraith shard]

I meant its godly as in glorious

BET-C best robot waifu

[slender river]

Ah I see, yeah it's pretty cool

but yeah the final mission just consists of the drop pod room and the main chamber

[wraith shard]

That bot helped me to beat the shit out of a hiveguard once

[slender river]

super easy compared to that noxious multi-levelled goo infested oil refinery mission before it lol

[wraith shard]

Twice actually

[lone lance]

It shreds dwarves with the machine gun, flushes you out of cover with grenades, then baits you into charging by shielding and kills you by spamming grenades at her feet?

[azure wraith]

gunner just melts bet-c

[wraith shard]

Lamo yeah

[lone lance]

With blowthrough minigun, or how

[wraith shard]

And then once you beat her, absolutely dabs on le bugs

[wraith shard]

Either gun

[lone lance]

Yeah, once.

[wraith shard]

Pretty sure I used an autocannon optimized for hordes on her

[lone lance]

She just goes hull down or turns to hide the charge-sucker

[slender river]

But it's so easy to read that none of that is really an issue except for maps with massive drops

which this EDD wasn't

[wraith shard]

At which point I shoot the other one lol

I was constantly circling around her

And the splash damage hurt both of them I think

So it didn’t matter which side faced me

Which also helps with dreads lol

[lone lance]

That takes stupid amounts of AC ammo but whatever

[wraith shard]

It does

I also use the revolver with uhh

Hollow point methinks? Idr the name of it

The upgrade that increases damage to weakpoints

[vale lintel]

that's the one

[wraith shard]

Yeah

[lone lance]

Are you solo? Especially the machine gun attack just swings around and opens fire nearly immediatedly when in groups

[wraith shard]

My revolver is focused on damage and nothing else

[wraith shard]

Uhh, Yeah

[lone lance]

That explains it

[vale lintel]

the thing with the machine gun is that it fires as soon as the laser hits something it wants to shoot, but it stops turning the turret when firing and also stops moving entirely in that mode

[pallid cipher]

Is there any way to deal with being aggro'd by BET-C's machine gun other than ducking behind cover?

[lone lance]

Shield I guess

[vale lintel]

strafe in an open area

she won't hit you once

[lone lance]

What

[wraith shard]

Yeah, I remember hopping around BET as fast as possible lol

[lone lance]

Like sprinting? Stafing sure does not work for avoiding the entire hellstorm

[vale lintel]

the turret stops aiming once it begins to fire a burst from the machine gun

so when the laser hits you, if you move to the side, it then misses the burst, except for maybe one bullet

[lone lance]

Must be solo again

[olive dune]

does anyone knows any channel that covers deep dives on a weekly base?

[vale lintel]

eh it works that way if you're with others but not in a group too

[slender river]

It isn't,
It's basic pathing

[lone lance]

Getting hit by one bullet sounds a los more reasonable than avoiding the entire burst, at which point I wonder if it was not hosing down another dwarf.

Wish DRG had shield gating, ha.

[burnt sandal]

this channel.
And if you're talking about giving info on them, the 1st message in the pinned message is updated every week

[olive dune]

Thanks!

[lilac surge]

hello!

Can someone help me?

[wraith shard]

Whatcha need

[lilac surge]

I've been waiting AGES for someone to join my deep dive

I can't join any other deep dives

theyre all greyed out

I tried doing one alone and cuz i'm engineer got stuck in a hole and couldn't finished

took me almost an hour to just fail

totally sucked

[wraith shard]

Oof

[lilac surge]

why does this take so long?

[vale falcon]

Are you sure your lobby is public?

[lilac surge]

yep

[vale falcon]

Alright then it's probably just bad luck

[old widget]

You can’t join a deep dive once it’s in progress. (Why GSG even shows in progress DDs in the server browser is another question)

[lilac surge]

yea they are all grey for me

so i started my own but no one is joining

[old widget]

Also, if this is your first time trying a deep dive, this is the worst time of the week

They reset tomorrow

[lilac surge]

ohhh

[old widget]

Everyone’s already done it

[vale falcon]

Or people will be rushing to do it because they forgot

[old widget]

I would suggest hopping on during peak playtime for your region (usually evenings) and posting a game in #lfg-steam

Tomorrow things will be hopping for sure. There’s usually a few DD sessions listed in the discord LFG channel that welcome first timers if you don’t want to host

[lilac surge]

ty

[void fog]

hi guys, do you have any tips for the 2nd mission in elite deep dives?

[old widget]

Check scrollback for several recent tips. In short, make an effort to make the map livable as you mostly are fighting the map

[lone lance]

on my second go on that part, the first thing i did was set up a single pipe piece to bridge a gap, lol

[oblique meadow]

There are two spit ballers that will absolutely destroy you. First priority is getting those down. The pump jack in front of you is a good spot to call a resupply as an oxygen source. If you exit and turn facing the pod, spitballer 1 is on your left. You should be able to hide behind a wall by the pump jack but if you go out too far it can kill you. Spitter 2 is pretty much above you and can wipe out your team if you try and go for anything else.

Then there's a breeder that you'll want to kill quickly. Watch out for leaches. It's good to stick together here.

A good scout with cryo grenades is essential for quickly getting rid of the spit ballers and breeder.

[lone lance]

calling down supply o2 at pumpjacks is a good idea in general imo

at least this week you can easily spare it anyway

[odd comet]

Worth mentioning here that map spawns change based on how many players there are, so other people may not have the same experience as you.

[oblique meadow]

Gotcha! I was running with 4 and encountered the same spawn the 3 times we tried it. Also on xbox.

[void fog]

Thanks a lot for the details!!!!!

[rich cairn]

Can you change your union chapter once you've joined one? If not I wanna wait till my friends get the game

[pale sigil]

Yeah at the end of every month, around the time of free beers

[rich cairn]

Dope

[rich cairn]

Thanks

[rancid pilot]

ive failed 11 attempts on this week's elite deep dive

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[ionic furnace]

First try of an EDD a few nights ago and the low-O2 onsite was n a s t y

[rancid pilot]

the environment is just so bad to run around in

[ionic furnace]

right, Fungus Bogs is just always a bit of a pain, and the refinery location in that little basin is pretty awkward to work with

[vale lintel]

just always remember that the game could've made it much worse

[old widget]

generous nitra in particular was a nice gift

[uncut raptor]

this next EDD is going to be triple escort magma core, i can feel it

[vale lintel]

thought they removed the ability for deep dives to have max length escort

waiting for the day of EDD with shield disruption dreadnaught classic secondary on escort duty fungus bogs with poison shrooms and exploding plants though

[uncut raptor]

(i know i just joke about it happening every week)

[vale lintel]

there's so many bad combinations for us to experience, but I'm sure Management will pull through in sending us to each and every one of them on the hardest possible difficulty

[uncut raptor]

they'll give us another PE + dread w/ swarmageddon

[vale lintel]

nah they'd do shield disruption this time, spice things up a bit

swarmageddon reserved for the actual elimination part

so even while fighting a dreadnaught you're never safe

[shrewd echo]

This stage 2 upgraded my depression stat

I hate fungus so much

And the terrain generation was particularly shit for it

Gotta love how half of the refinery was covered in alien poop

Bless engineer and his anti poop platforms

[ruby glacier]

im looking forward to the elite bulk spawn on black box secondary deep in the bowels of fungus bogs

[lilac surge]

HI im looking for a group

[burnt sandal]

#lfg-steam ^^

[rancid pilot]

ive done it!

was in fact, easier solo

attempt 13 of this week's elite deep dive, and my only attempt alone

[winter lantern]

Does bosco recharge revives between deep dive missions?

[atomic anchor]

I believe so yes

[rancid pilot]

yes

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[mellow cove]

I wish I was available

[copper summit]

"beardcicles"

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Unveiled Retreat
Stage 1: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 2 M.U.L.E.s + Dreadnought Classic | Exploder Infestation
Stage 3: 4 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Lethal Enemies

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Gunner's Impact
Stage 1: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Critical Weakness Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite | Haunted Cave
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | Exploder Infestation

[uncut raptor]

gunner's impact?

[lone lance]

Remember, zipline THEN jump.

[copper summit]

2nd stage of dd is salvage with 2 mules and dreadnough

[lone lance]

What dread did you get

[copper summit]

no idea yet

also exploder infestation

classic dread

[lone lance]

Liquid morkite + spooky sounds interesting. Hope the map is better than last week, ha.

[jaunty crag]

I wont be surprised if a team goes full gunner in the edd

[uncut raptor]

EDD this week looks fun

not in a sarcastic way either

[quiet mortar]

Yep, doing that now, thanks for the idea

[jaunty crag]

oh god xD

Also, again, this week's dd is in glacial strata

[quiet mortar]

I'm waiting for the 1 in a billion chance we get Fungus for a month lol

[jaunty crag]

yep, we had two edds in fungus already afair

[copper summit]

3rd stage is 4 eggs and 150 morkite, lethal enemies

[high garden]

Mega easy edd this week it looks like
Also haunted cave, haven’t seen that in ages

[lone lance]

easy is what they called last weeks S2, i am scared now, lol.

Radiation exploder Black box are gonna be fun. The gift that keeps on giving.

[high garden]

Cryo driller will help with that a lot

[dense idol]

what zone is the new deep dive

i hate that the game almost 100% of the time bugs out when the deep dive changes

and it does not update

to the new ones

[fierce pecan]

this

[dense idol]

yeah, i got the older one

[plush burrow]

cool just crashed on stage 2

[dense idol]

why this happens

its annoying

[uncut raptor]

you gotta restart the game

[fierce pecan]

no that's the stuff from this week not last week

[dense idol]

my dude i just turned my pc on

and this still happens

lol

[uncut raptor]

do it anyway

[fierce pecan]

maybe go to #bug-discussion and see if the big brains there can help you fix this

[dense idol]

i already reported this last year

they didnt fixed it

[low abyss]

just makin' sure y'all know this thing's a scam, some might not notice

[uncut raptor]

yeah the EDD is easy this week

even if our driller left on stage 2

[lusty crown]

Super comfy EDD this week. Ended up with 700 nitra and no death 😎

[pale sigil]

Agreed. Lots of nitra, forgiving cave gen

[scarlet basin]

How do I get the mission control bot in my own server

[next pebble]

You'd have to make your own

[scarlet basin]

I can barely program an alarm clock

[pale sigil]

Bot programming for discord isn't too hard, and the documentation is out there

give it a shot

[ruby glacier]

yea i agree it was a v comfy EDD, haunted cave barely impacted anything

[vale lintel]

last week's stage two killed me less than stage one to be honest

[lone lance]

lol, got nailed by a leech in the EDD.
In stage 2.

[pale sigil]

There's some very sneaky ones in stage 2 and 3

Stage 3 has one by the black box area

[lone lance]

got a bulk at the black box too, but it was in a easy to handle spot and distance away

[pale sigil]

I got one there too

Funny

[lone lance]

and i found the entire EDD pretty easy this week too!

I joked about hoping the EDD was gonna be just as smooth.

DD is probably somehow give me a nice karmatic kick in the ebonuts.

[uncut raptor]

can't wait to do the DD solo and get absolutely destroyed

what's the placement of the wells like on stage 1?

[high garden]

Easy hoarder on final stage of regular dd

[forest temple]

ga

[celest goblet]

2 bulk detonators spawned on stage 2 for the normal dd, but it still was pretty easy, ended up with like 700 nitra at the end and no downs. Not sure if spawns are scripted but watch out if they are.

[hot pelican]

had 2 bulks too yup yeah

Kinda funny. They're funny guys

[wraith zodiac]

used the bulk to kill the dread

greenbeards never see that coming 😂

they're always surprised the dread just dies when the detonator explodes

[tacit jungle]

does bulk explosion do damage to other bulks?

[mossy cedar]

Yes, they do 😀

[tacit jungle]

aww yeah big bug go boom cascade

[mossy cedar]

EDD question: Do graybeards accept Greenbeards, or would the best thing to go to the LFG section and get a group that way? I have a few OCs, but not the best.

I've soloed Haz4, but Haz5 solo is tough, but am insta-kicked from EDD groups.

[warm light]

Beat the EDD in two tries, every one of my teammates were absolute morons, literal monkeys with keyboards.
That said they're also my friends on steam, I exclusively beat EDDs with them now because they're just so damn good at the game.

Lot of nitra this week, felt pretty easy.

Honestly find yourself a crew to do EDDs with, you have so much more room to fuck around and still beat it.

[lone lance]

found no hoarder in DD s3, but we did get it sub-45!

just barely but still, hah

[mossy cedar]

Unfortunately, my friends are a lot more green than I am. I have nearly 100 hours, and most have 1/10 of that.

We're all dads with jobs and we get together once a week. I generally play before work for about an hour or so.

[warm light]

On stage 3 in that small area with the black box we were opening it up when a bulk spanwed

Used the bulk to open it up even better

[old widget]

best thing to do is to host yourself in LFG, to be honest. then no one can kick you. I think early in the EDD cycle is the best time to find more tolerant groups. later in the week you get folks who may have tried and failed more often and are grumpier about who joins

[neat forum]

You are saying it like there is no greybeards in LFG

Getting people rank 400+ for haz5 all the time

And usually people don't mind having 1 of 4 players to be newbie. 2 might be too much for edd though

[warm light]

Rank means almost nothing

[neat forum]

It does in 99% cases

[warm light]

There are plenty of people with high ranks that know nothing about the game

I see them all the time

[neat forum]

yes, i sometimes get people rank 300+ die 30 times in edd, but no need to think that every second person is like that

[warm light]

People who don't know how the twins work, how deadly popping three eggs at once on hazard 5 can be, people who genuinely do not understand mechanics.

[neat forum]

usually if i see person of 3 digit rank I can safely presume that they will pull their weight in haz5

[jagged spade]

I just got a Bulk Detonator in Solo Deep Dive when doing the Mule uplink

[kind grail]

Did anyone else get a dreadnaught spawn on their edd 3rd stage?

[jagged spade]

Fuck you glyphids I won... barely

[neat forum]

if no - well, it happens, so am i not to play the game anymore?

anyway, back to the question - you can easily get good team in LFG

[warm light]

My friends are level 50 60 and 70 each and they're better than 99% of randoms I've been matched with who have double or quadruple my level.

[warm light]

I'm just saying don't judge a book by it's cover, doesn't matter how nice the cover is.

I've learned this the hard way

[lone lance]

sounds like you have overcorrected a wee tad.

[oblique meadow]

I've found that once you get to a certain point, the benefit of playing with friends and being able to work as a team and communicate tends to outweigh more experience. Give me a level 70 player on a mic that I play with a bunch over a 150 player who doesn't talk.

[warm light]

Yep

[short charm]

Got through the EDD with a bunch of randoms, all excellent players. Zero issues whatsoever. I had a few downs because the RNG hated me. I just got rezzed by a teammate, then A random acid spitter one-shotted me again. Turns out, on haz 5.5, your rezzed HP + full shield just aint enough to save you from ONE shot from those guys. It crawled down from a resupply pod hole in the ceiling and decided to be an absolute bastard.

I typically do these things with randoms whenever possible. I do like playing with friends a lot, but randoms bring that extra spice to the run that a well oiled machine doesnt have, you know?

[pure hazel]

i did DD and EDD with an lfg invite from here, we steamrolled DD and had several downs on EDD stage 2, but nothing too bad, we made it in one piece
all my teammates were rank 50-ish, but we were all in voice chat communicating where the horror was at all times, so it was all teamwork and awareness

great guys, really chill, ill pay them a round any time

[tidal salmon]

Ugh bb on stage 3

Is it as cursed as the bb location 3 weeks(?) ago?

[pale sigil]

This black box is in an awesome spot

[tidal salmon]

nice

[steep flare]

Question: why does every single driller try to bunker the uplink/fuel cells? I'm only level 40, and I understand the power of a truly excellent bunker, but it's utterly maddening when I fortify a perfectly fine position under a cliff face with turrets and bug repellent plats, only to have our driller dig the cells out from under me with no warning, split our team up as we try to riddle out what's going on, and then get assblasted by a Bulk.

Definitely not based on my experience on stage 2 of the DD

no siree

[valid phoenix]

not only most of the bunkers are doomed but those drillers could at least ask your teams opinion on making one in the first place

[steep flare]

He started digging after we had started the uplink and then got pissy in chat when I suggested he wait and do it for the cells instead

[valid phoenix]

yeah that's a dick move for sure

[cedar current]

sees "doing DD/EDD with randoms or friends"

I'm over here doing them solo

[somber lodge]

i think thats something that drillers do in adolescence, and either grow out of it as they realize its major flaws, or never turn into good drillers. its definitely not the best strat 99% of the time, and often a really poor decision for a variety of reasons. especially when the driller makes a pisspoor bunker to boot.

id say its a last resort in swarms for anyone who knows what theyre doing, and theyre certainly not about to do it spur of the moment on the uplink/fuel cells

[cedar current]

I'm not sure how I got through this EDD

I've had the drilldozer nearly die on me twice in Stage 1 (once during the first travelling moment, got to 3rd HP bar in single digits, second during the Ommoran excavation).

I've had Bosco use all 4 revival charges + Iron Will/Supply Pod combo on Stage 2

And I very nearly bungled Black Box (failed at making a bunker) + the escape sequence on stage 3.

[ruby glacier]

what class?

[cedar current]

Driller

[ruby glacier]

wilding

[cedar current]

Cryo, EPC, Axes

[tidal salmon]

Why make a bunker

Youre driller

Driller stronk

[amber maple]

It's about the same as "engie plug all the holes" strat, theyre both low haz strats and not actually good. Plug the holes that are small enough to be used as kill funnels and instead having them run down all the sides of the drop pod. It gets really stupid if theres only 1 small entrance to the area and you made a network that helps funnel them all into that 1 tunnel. Gunner/Driller can just shoot at 1 spot, engie can toss proximities and turrets to face 1 direction, scout can watch the ceilings/walls

[radiant granite]

bunkering is extremely strong if you know what you're doing though, on any haz

it's boring as shit but you should never lose doing it

[inland sandal]

Bunkers can be fun when a ton of enemies are trying to crawl though a chokepoint

[lone lance]

Only bunkers I have seen are shitty ones who inevetably ends in getting rushed by some exploders. Maybe one day I will see a bunker.

I guess I have seen some tunnels but fighting with your back against a wall is hardly bunkering

[winter herald]

Bunkers are strong, wouldn't say its a noob trap

You guys might just see shitty bunkers

Most people don't like using them because they feel uninteractive and cheap

Bulks are the only real threat if you have the right setup

[neat forum]

Only once for me bunker was helpful

It was 4person haz5 salvage and we wasted all nitra on poorly located korlok

We needed to hold uplink and fuel without any resupplies. Good times

[winter herald]

yeah that makes sense

theyre especially good for situations like that

Also if the driller isnt running cryo they become a lot worse honestly

cryo allows much more breathing room

[neat forum]

Yeah, basically only cryo driller and carpet gunner were shooting

Engi and scout were low, so held back ammo for oppressors and bulks

[winter herald]

yea cryo does most of the work in them from my experience

i loved making them once i found out about them but ive weened off it extremely hard and i havent made one in months

mostly just cuz id rather do salvage how it usually goes: without a bunker

[inland sandal]

esp if you do Starship troopers with the elite deep dive

so fun and so hard

[pure hazel]

i did a bunker one time and it worked, it was actually on last week's EDD and i was driller along with a scout-engi duo, the second stage was low oxygen and we used all our iron wills, so we decided to play it a little lame this time just to get through the second stage alive cause this was our second attempt at the EDD

it didnt work forever, though

eventually the game caught up to our bullshit and during extraction it threw a shellback into our plans

we made it, but barely, stage 3 was easier in comparison

bunkers are powerful but the driller has to be observant of the types of bugs that the game decides to throw into the mix

[vale lintel]

I watched a driller and engineer spend half an hour making a bunker on the second stage of this week's deep dive only to get the entire team killed by a bulk the moment they built the fuel cells

[pure hazel]

neat

[vale lintel]

either they work, or you find out

[old widget]

I climbed in a bunker in an EDD once, was the host’s 9th try on a mactera plague OSR and folks were desperate. It worked, but at what cost…

[shadow shoal]

The cost of using your tools to your advantage

[tame verge]

I rather not bunker because the cost of fucking it up is too great and if I wanted to look at my phone I wouldn’t be playing DRG

[vale lintel]

well mactera plague bunkers and tunnels are valid

if it's mactera plague then the worst bunker counter you'll face is a lone oppressor, but you negate every type of mactera for the most part except for maybe goo bombers who don't do much anyways when you're standing still

[old widget]

Yeah. If I had to rank relative situational appropriateness for bunkering I think Haz5+ mac plague would be #1 on the list, particularly if it’s a bad map for mac plague

[vale lintel]

exploder infestation is one of the worst times to do it

I'd say swarmageddon might be worthy of it though, since you funnel all of them to get into AoE in one spot

otherwise swarmers like to just sort of come from everywhere and that's not always very fun

[radiant granite]

exploders get demolished harmlessly by the cryo driller who made the bunker tho

[buoyant wing]

I prefer tunnels with mactera because there's still room to move

and they condense enough in the tunnels, too

[rich cairn]

How do I unlock pickaxe customizations?

I'm a lvl 8 gunner

[buoyant wing]

you get some from assignment missions later (when your blue player rank goes up), and there's also a lot found from lost packs

[rich cairn]

Makes sense

[buoyant wing]

assuming you're super green, the lost packs are those beeping backpack things you scan with E, it puts a pink dot on your terrain scanner, then you find it (usually by digging to it, they're isolated pockets)

none of which spawn in deep dives

[rich cairn]

Ah, thanks. I'm pretty new, been playing for 2 days solo. The only ones I've found involve putting the battery's back in the crates to unlock cosmetics and loot

[knotty lava]

those are cargo crates, and give weapon frameworks, as well as weapon and armor paint jobs

[ancient arrow]

basically if you hear deep beeping your getting some new skins

[knotty lava]

yes

[plucky galleon]

what's this week EDD? How hard you guys think it is?

[uncut raptor]

the EDD is pretty easy all things considered

went into stage 3 with around 500+ nitra

[burnt sandal]

you can check in the pinned message for detailed info on the deep dives

[plucky galleon]

oh didnt see that damn it! THanks

[burnt sandal]

No problem. Shoot out to @quiet mortar who keep it updated and to any people who help them with that task

[left siren]

hey guys, can someone illuminate me? Does the damage dealt to enemies modifier that scales with hazard level apply to armor damage dealt too or only to "hit points health"?

[burnt sandal]

You're talking about the damage of the bugs ?

[left siren]

no, damage dealt

[burnt sandal]

There's a damage modifier that scale with hazard for the dwarves ?

[left siren]

no no, the damage to bugs

(bad english issues idk sorry)

I'm talking about that resistance scaling that appears in wiki

[burnt sandal]

The EHP for the bugs ?

[left siren]

yeah

[burnt sandal]

What about it ?

[left siren]

does it apply to armor damage?

or doesn't matter the hazard lvl, I always need to dealt a fix amount of armor damage to break base chance armor

[burnt sandal]

I see. You probably mean armor health rather than armor damage.
To be honest, I have no idea. That's a very good question.

For something so in depth, I think it's best to ask to the wiki editors themselves since they toy around the gamefiles a lot

#wiki-related-chatroom will be the place to ask for that

Hopefully they can answer your question

[left siren]

okay thanks bro 👊

[restive patrol]

not a bulk detanator sniffing out gunner having no more shields left on 75% blackbox completion

8/10 would recommend

[restive patrol]

doretta and pipeline sure is a doozy

[old widget]

We had single bulk out of our entire EDD + DD run, and it was kind enough to spawn in the room with the dread egg on stage 2. We put it to good use…

This EDD was probably the tamest I’ve seen in recent memory, at least with our 4p team’s RNG. REZ biome often has nice wide open maps and this was no exception

[civic yoke]

i think the detonator on DD second stage is scripted

i had done i it 3 times and it always spawns

and not only 1

[old widget]

Dunno about scripted necessarily, but with the same random seed it’s possible that the RNG gives you the same result at the same spot sometimes…interesting to consider

[civic yoke]

yeah, i guess is that

[vale lintel]

if the seed is the same, it will not only have the same spawnset but also the same amount of 'weight' to decide what to spawn. Something like a bulk, with a lot of weight required, will often spawn in the same amount each time, though it can change

[vale lintel]

y'all think it's possible for deep dive generation to generate a haunted cave mission with black box secondary?

[severe tusk]

Unless they coded it out, then yeah. You would just have to have whoever it's aggroed on lead it away and survive on their own until the objective is complete.

[vale lintel]

aight can't wait

[severe tusk]

There would still be Drillers wanting to make a bunker for it though 😉

[vale lintel]

always would be, though you could cheese it with the platform gun in its tunnel

[winter lantern]

Any of you have much success with joining a random team fit EDD?

[severe tusk]

I have been using random teams for EDDs (and everything else) since I started playing around 3.5 months ago. I've been able to complete every EDD I have tried, but sometimes it takes a few tries.

[eager palm]

the last two weeks I joined a random regular DD team that then decided to try the EDD after

amazingly that's gone better than EDD random teams

1 success and 1 almost success (failed on the 3rd stage black box this week because we didn't bother to terraform enough and the exploders would get on top of us immediately

[lone lance]

Doing randoms too, trying to get EDDs easier, my first two I kind of got carried by greybeards, haha.

I am scared of premade groups as they probably got unrealistic expectations like not making the occational mistakes.

[keen shale]

havent had many issues with randoms

if anyone is lunging at you for few mistakes then theres something wrong with them

its really not a huge deal if you dont manage ammo that well for example

[broken vigil]

Current EDD is BS. Just wanted to express my hatred for spastic methodolgy for just throwing everything at players and expecting them to figure it out

mIm you, EDD!

[mellow cove]

It's not even a hard one lol

[lone lance]

Yeah, it was actually pleasant unlike last weeks edd

[lone lance]

What part did you find most bullshit?

[old widget]

Yeah, this EDD was 1 out of 5 on the pain scale IMO. Two of our dwarves had zero downs and the other two had < 5

(Which is somewhat unusually low for our crew)

[little timber]

How hard in general are deep dives solo compared to having a squad

[old widget]

There’s really nothing unique about DD/EDD that makes it that much harder on solo than comparable hazard normal missions (with the exception of some nasty objective combos like PE + dreads). Bosco revive counter / IW resets in between stages, and you carry over excess nitra

[little timber]

Alright sick, thanks

I imagine class choice probably factors in, don’t think I’m gonna try any elite dives with scout solo any time soon

[uncut raptor]

isn't someone keeping an archive of all the DD/EDD missions on a spreadsheet somewhere?

[fringe kettle]

pinned messages

[shut sierra]

Muffin' cat mvp

[tidal salmon]

oh boy

BB defense on scout solo was terrifying

failed it once

had to do that shit again

this time with no revives since i was an idiot and trying to complete BB instead of collecting myself

[viscid sand]

do I get a discount for therapy after doing an elite deep dive?

[next pebble]

Nope, back in the mines with you

[viscid sand]

please, send help

[shadow shoal]

You’ll get hands on counseling in the mines

[atomic anchor]

Closest you can get is using the money you get to drown yourself with booze at the abyss bar

[winter lantern]

Anyone know if mining nitra counts towards the mineral mining bonus?

Wanna know if it's worth to mine when we're stocked up

[brisk pagoda]

if you mean the xp the mission gives then yes, but its a small amount

[mellow cove]

Not in deep dives

Xp gain is set amount, only credits gain varies depending on gold you've mined

[vivid torrent]

I've promoted 3 dwarfs and I'm still scared of doing a deep dive, any advice?

[winter lantern]

Deep dive isn't that bad. It's the EDD ghastly that'll give you ptsd

[vivid torrent]

I do ok solo haz 4, haz 5 i get carried a lot

[old widget]

Regular DD is average Haz 3.33

[vivid torrent]

It's always falling damage or stupid shit like getting caught in a corner

[vivid torrent]

Is it?

[old widget]

You’ll do fine

Yes, Haz 3 / 3.5 / 3.5 for stages 1/2/3 respectively

[vivid torrent]

Cool I'm gonna man up and do one

[winter lantern]

Any tips for this week's EDD?

[vale lintel]

check the ceilings for leeches at all times and all stages, and make sure to bring an engineer for stage 3 uplink and scout for stage 2 haunted cave

[ashen patrol]

idk why people think edds are really that bad

if you can consitantly do haz 5s then youll be fine for the edd

[vale lintel]

high numbers ow

[ruby glacier]

a lot of people cant do that tho tbf

[ashen patrol]

even if you fail you just try again with the knowledge of what got you last time

[vale lintel]

also the annoying thing tends to be having to build for potentially 6 different objective types and a lot of mission modifiers

[ruby glacier]

i think most people who struggle with the EDD just aren't used to playing high haz consistently

[vale lintel]

I had a lot of downs when I tried this EDD because I forgot bugs get faster with hazard increase and was playing differently because of it

sometimes you miss one thing and don't do as well, but if you know the game you can still get through it

[ashen patrol]

ah yeah

i guess its a bit ignorant of me to say edds are easy

i dont actually know how much of the playerbase does haz 5s

[ruby glacier]

it's actually pretty low tbh

the going lethal achievement is 7.8% and that's for completing a haz 5 once

rock solid is 3.1%

[vale lintel]

to be honest, at level 143 or so, I haven't unlocked hazard 5 because I just can't be bothered to complete the assignment

[ruby glacier]

i think the discord just has a higher concentration of people who play the game more and subsequently have probably played harder difficulties

[vale lintel]

something like that

[ruby glacier]

like i personally dont find EDD's that challenging anymore but i pretty much only play haz 5+

everyone has different experiences!

makes things fun

[oblique meadow]

Higher Hazards will probably kick most people's butts at first but it feels like you quickly adjust. First few times you let a slasher annihilate you, you learn to stay far away.

[eager palm]

people only play haz 5 if they want the challenge and are up to it

people play EDDs for cores

[ashen patrol]

at a certain point haz 5 isnt even for the challenge

its because anything less slow

[west merlin]

Bugs get faster with higher haz? 0_0

[west merlin]

Yeah specifically "people who devote their lives to DRG" are disproportionately represented.
I've played like 140 hours in the past few months and am still way less intense than the average poster

[wraith shard]

I just completed my first DD

Forgor to take screenshot

I'd been holding off a while to get my friends leveled but I kinda just went "Eh, fuck it"

[brisk pagoda]

dives are usually easier than normal missions because dives have way more nitra so you can easily erase any mistakes

[tidal salmon]

Another part of edds are the mutators

Some combos can be devastating

Esp with unique secondary objectives

E.g. PE, swarmeggedon and dreadnought

Everyones favourite

Or if you are doing solo as a challenge, then some edds are simply impossible on certain classes without advantangeous modifiers

E.g. escort on scout solo

On haz 5 or 5.5

Or salvage

God this edd stage 3 bb nearly gave me a heart attack

[wraith shard]

what should I focus on my build to EDD?

[tidal salmon]

Generally its dependent on what the stages are

But id say to build whatever you want

As long as your teammates dont mind of course

[wraith shard]

I'm going solo with gunner

sadly I don't have good OC for him, but I think I can manage stage 1

[tidal salmon]

The standard practice is to have some kind of loadout that can manage swarms

Or at least give you the space to work

Scout has an issue with that but it can be fixed withh fear the boomstick and blowthrough rounds

On gunner it should be a lot easier

What OCs do you have for him?

[wraith shard]

compact feed mechanism and clean hit

[tidal salmon]

Hm a standard autocannon build can easily carry you for this edd

But if you want to go minigun it should be alright

Normally i run blowthrough on most of my minigun builds just to wave clear better

Then the bulldog is just used for cleanup or single target dmg

[wraith shard]

okay, ty

for perks, I'm going with elemental insulation, thorns, sweet tooth, dash and IW

[tidal salmon]

Thats alright

EI may come in handy for stage 1

[wraith shard]

nice

[tidal salmon]

I normally run thorns, resupplier and depositor or sweet tooth (it can vary)

But idk if you want IW simce bosco can revive you

Id take heightened senses on solos

[wraith shard]

oh my god, I can feel the radiation in my eyes

[tidal salmon]

Being interrupted while doing objs can be really bad

Esp for escort

Which coincidentally has cave leech cluster

For this edd

Good luck out there

[wraith shard]

I've reached stage 2, and I am not very interested in doing it with gunner lol

Don't think I'm dealing enough damage with this build, will just abort

[mellow cove]

Your loss, no overclock for you

[wraith shard]

I don't have OC to sustain through this stage anyway, will try to grind machine event, I'm with 4 blank cores

[mellow cove]

Base AC is enough for this stage though

[wraith shard]

but won't it be a pain to make pipelines with gunner?

[lone lance]

this EDD was pretty flat, just one well up high

[mellow cove]

Don't remember cave layout, maybe?

Though you could always wait for rocky mountain

[lone lance]

I felt like i actually got good value out of the ziplines this EDD, made escape slides up high, was like the one place you could get cornered by the ghost.

[wraith shard]

didn't got to explore the cave layout

was unsure about my chances of sucess with minigun and it was my second time doing edd

[lone lance]

give it a go again, the smoothest week i have seen.

[wraith shard]

do you think it'll be easier with scout (bullets of mercy and cryo minelets) or with gunner (no OC)?

[tidal salmon]

give it a go the wells are easily reached on stage 2

esp if you have zips

id still say that gunner is easier for the edd

but mainly because of stage 3 BB

[wraith shard]

okay

[tidal salmon]

i mean you can go for scout if you like

the way i see it is. if scout can do the EDD it means everyone else can

[wraith shard]

I managed to build all pipes and reach 50%

but there are too many bugs for me

gameover

[lone lance]

haz 4+ as solo scout is a bit too fun for me.

[wraith shard]

I was using gunner

[lone lance]

ouch

autocannon?

[wraith shard]

yes, I still need to learn to kite properly with him

I even managed to get rock mountain

[dry oasis]

damn this week's EDD is kinda hard

[mellow cove]

No not really

[lone lance]

much smoother than last week

[oblique meadow]

I'm still angry about mission two last week. I'd rather do this week's entire dive again than play that mission.

[lone lance]

same

[tidal salmon]

Dont hesitate to use your shields to disengage

Id take spiked grenades for the fear proc as well

Stage 1 gives you a ton of nitra to play with

Key point for refining is speed but ince you get the process going , it shld be p smooth. Dont be in such a haste to repair everything since bugs are constantly attracted to broken pipelines

The refining process is typically the easiest due to this

Take a breather

And dont rush. As a solo you dont exactly have the luxury for that

[wraith shard]

I was using it a lot, but didn't have much space to work with, usually I was getting cornered by the ghost and bugs from both sides

I'll try doing it with scout rn

[wraith shard]

nope, this, so much this

[glass geyser]

last week's edd made me wanna cry

is this week's any better?

[lone lance]

yeah, bound it very smooth this week. even the haunted cave is easy to avoid the ghost in

[spiral tapir]

oh, EDD's easyish this week? Might have to try it with friends

[short charm]

Try every EDD with friends. The fun lies in overcoming whatever the run throws at you. Who cares if you lose.

[vale lintel]

to be honest, depending on the friend, sometimes interacting with the in-game nonverbal communication (salute, ping and shout) is more fun than going through an hour and a half long mission with them

[meager ginkgo]

EDD wouldn't be so bad except for the haunted cave OSR

FOUR MENACES

[uncut raptor]

living up to their name

[meager ginkgo]

fr tho

[old widget]

For us it was acid / web spitters in stage 2. Had one swarm where a pack of 4 acid spitters and 6 web spitters spawned at once and went to town. Ended up deciding that the nice big open room wasn’t the best place to tank the swarm after all

[meager ginkgo]

There were SO MANY webbers

All hiding behind the terrain geometry

[manic pivot]

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We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[uncut raptor]

just did the DD, bog standard as always

the morkite well placements on stage 1 were okay to set up, had a bulk spawn on me during the uplink on stage 2

[leaden storm]

EDD this week is cracked

[lone lance]

yeah it felt like i was doing a DD instead, ha.

[earnest flower]

I just got my first promotion!
any advice for my first deep dive?

[eager palm]

what haz do you normally play on?

[oblique meadow]

The dive is most fun with a few other people, especially if you have a way like keyboard or mic to communicate.

The Hazard level is 3, 3.5 and 3.5. So it's helpful to at least be comfortable with Haz 3.

You're going to end up with hundreds of extra nitra. Don't be afraid to use resupplies for health and grenades on stages 2 and 3. Obviously your team needs to be okay with not being conservative. But the last thing you want is to wipe 40 minutes in with 300 nitra in reserve.

Ammo, health and nitra is carried over from mission to mission. Don't waste a resupply right before the end, and don't waste ammo waiting around the pod. Active perks do reset though.

Beer buffs carry through each mission so always grab own.

The Elite Deep Dive will likely be too tough at this point. Worth giving it a try as it's a good learning experience. But if you can't do Haz 5 you'll have difficulty with it.

[earnest flower]

nice, thanks! so It would be better to not choose any increase of max ammo?

[earnest flower]

3 for the most time, sometimes 4

[eager palm]

Then you should be fine, the only real difference is that you should try to take any resupplies still around at the end of a stage so that you exit with full ammo and don't waste the nitra

[oblique meadow]

Depends on the weapon. Some you should probably get aways with swapping out an ammo with damage mod. But you don't have the actual excess of nitra until probably late 2nd mission or into the 3rd - depends on RNG. I'd say go in what you usually use and are comfortable with in terms of load outs, just don't sweat it if you need to call a pod at the end of the first mission because you'll end up with plenty 99% of the time.

[hazy comet]

the real answer is mod your weapons to hit certain breakpoints so you dont waste ammo and then just do utility/ammo after that

overkill is wasted ammo

[raven grove]

Whoo boy, stage two is hard.

[meager ginkgo]

The real difference is that you don't spam your grenades in the pod at extraction

[ruby glacier]

who says you don't do that

[queen nimbus]

Me and my friends did an elite deep dive for the first time

it was hell

[atomic frigate]

yes

[queen nimbus]

this guy is a witness he was the drillert

[digital viper]

Last week's EDD was way smoother when you knew to prepare for the Mactera. I used PGL with proxy and fire to make quick work of clusters.

[oblique meadow]

Stage two of the EDD we had multiple Mactera swarms back to back. I was the only one left alive at one point...as a Thunderhead welding gunner. (the team still had iron wills though)

The crappy thing is that since it was haunted, we couldn't bunker for the Mactera and with all that open space it got pretty brutal.

[neat forum]

Don't make pipes in open then (other than short one)

I placed both remaining all the way through walls and it was pretty easy if one person keeps an eye on ghost. No reason to be in the big room at all

[tidal salmon]

Try not to bunker

Turns your brain to mush after awhile

[mellow cove]

Or not brain

Depending on enemy spawns

[oblique meadow]

The Mactera came before we laid pipes down so that really didn't factor in.

[raven grove]

The open area was the safe place. Refinery corner was death.

And rad prats are murder in tunnels.

[lone lance]

Was thinking the same, open area helps with awareness. We did tunnel one pipe but at least I went through the tunnel and doubled around it to be safe when fixing it.

[chilly obsidian]

Yeah lots of radiation, lots of mactera, an obnoxious hole we repeatedly fell into, and the ghost. We wiped in part 2

[lone lance]

I am so glad I preemptively put escape ziplines over that hole going up to the highest well, ha.

[buoyant glade]

The goop

[quiet wyvern]

Edd was a lil rough for my partner this week, think i had to pick him up twice this time, but we beat it

[vale falcon]

That must be some pretty smooth pickup lines if you managed to get em twice

[odd basalt]

What's the point of only having weekly rewards with deep dives?

[remote warren]

how long would it take someone new to deep dives, but decent at the game, to complete the current deep dive?

(bronze II scout)

also are the maps randomly generated for each time you do it, or is it the same map?

[vale falcon]

its a seed that is kept throught the duration between reset

everyone on each platforms have the same seed

[remote warren]

i see

[amber maple]

And about 10-20minutes per segment depending on player ability

[remote warren]

does the seed only affect terrain gen, or also stuff like minerals and pickuppable stuff?

[amber maple]

everything is the same when seeded

[vale falcon]

everything but the enemies

[remote warren]

okay that's what i thought, thanks

[vale falcon]

you can see what the current deep dives are in the pins of this channel

[amber maple]

Large/special bugs like bulk det/hulli are also part of the seeded generation. but bulk dets can also spawn with the normal waves too.

[remote warren]

and other people can't join during the middle of one, like a normal mission right?

[remote warren]

hulli?

oh the hoarder

[amber maple]

right, once its started thats the "team" you have to finish with

[remote warren]

and Solo mode you get bosco?

[amber maple]

Unless you disable him yeah

[remote warren]

Does his revives replenish between segments?

[amber maple]

Yeah and powers

[remote warren]

Cool

[amber maple]

Different strats for different play styles exist, but my approach when I was new, and finally started clearing them consistently was
Avoid gold, but if you're waiting for something might as well.
Collect as much nitra as possible when it wasnt detrimental to take time. (Dont recommend going out of your way for it on Point Extract or Escort if you dont need to), on some of the easier mission 1&2s I wouldnt even need to mine nitra on mission 3. Doesnt always work out that easy though,
Always have bosco doing something, if solo. Either mining something from the roof or out of reach, or helping you mine stuff faster

[dusty anchor]

Anyone ever have trouble with the deep for speed achievement not popping up? Just finished the regular DD with a friend in 33 mins and he got nothing.

[tiny latch]

steam?

i got the achievement on my second deep dive, on my first i was 30 seconds off

[vivid torrent]

After promoting each character I finally stop delaying it and completed a DD, now to gain the mental strength to beat an elite one

[shadow shoal]

Do it

Right now

[vivid torrent]

But there are bugs, and its dark

[hexed lava]

downloaded the game from pc gamepass, if I got the steam version would my progress carry over?

[scarlet jewel]

I believe if you can find your save files from the gamepass version, you can use them with the steam one

[next pebble]

You would have to manually transfer the files

[old widget]

See pinned messages in #xbox-and-windows-store for details

[hexed lava]

I can definitely do that, thanks

[neat forum]

If you are comfortable with haz4, then regular DD should not be a problem with maybe few tries

And about time I would say between 30 and 90 minutes with 90 being example of extreme caution. More like 45-60 mins

[rapid gulch]

Do we have a date for U35?

[lone lance]

Q3

[golden granite]

Mission 2 in the edd was hell vs the other 2

[lone lance]

pretty smooth, all things considered, imp. only real dead end to get cornered by the ghost was the top morkite well, and i put ziplines down from there

[shadow shoal]

ngl, kinda sounds like leaf lover talk

[woeful wasp]

Just beat this EDD. My first time winning an EDD

Solo, 1:29:03, 1230 kills, 1626 mined, 5 downs

[lone lance]

Grats! Solo even!

[woeful wasp]

thanks

[remote warren]

Ah, so it is haz4.

[vivid torrent]

Regular DD is haz 3 and 3.5

Elites are 4.5 to 5.5

[uncut raptor]

DD: 3 | 3.5 | 3.5
EDD: 4.5 | 5 | 5.5

[shrewd echo]

this EDD stage 2 was hell

never again

[mellow cove]

Seen worse

[lone lance]

Easiest one in the last few weeks i have been doing EDDs!

just gotta make sure to know roughly where the ghost is heading. Ours liked to pretend he is a random player and hang around on the refinery.

[vast mirage]

I dont even remember what stage 2 was I don't think it was very memorable.

[burnt sandal]

refinery + morkite on haunted cave

[shrewd echo]

All my unsuccessful runs wiped on stage 2

Because spooky ghost eats the ass of unsuspecting teammates

At the worst possible moment

LOL

Gotta admit this was the deep dive i had the most fun in

My winning lobby was full of equally dumb and unhinged people as me

But we had a mission

And beat the EDD first attempt at like 2 am

[burnt sandal]

mates being oblivious/deaf 😛

[vast mirage]

I guess I did play it I have a screengrab of it: #drg-gallery message

[warped rune]

i just had one wipe on s3 but i had iron will

[tight mauve]

when does this deep dives reset

[pure hazel]

thursday morning

[winter lantern]

After you've completed a DD/EDD any point to do it again besides challenge/helping others? Is it a good way to farm exp, etc?

[thorny geyser]

Not a good way to grind, but I usually do it several times to help out greenbeards

[winter lantern]

Gotcha, thanks

[vast mirage]

Sometimes if its a fun one I'll re-do it a few times, or a difficult one ill go find groups to carry. Or re-do with a difficulty mods. But yea they are pretty terrible for XP/rewards past the first run.

[sour totem]

for grappling hook should I go BAAC or AAAC?

[sand coyote]

Fast charge

Everything else inconsequential

[cold zenith]

EDD this week is super easy as long as you don't have a squad who dies to haunt on stage 2. Tons of nitra, missions are quick AF, and no terrible mods

[forest zenith]

our engineer 4th today decided to nuke everyone and then leave :/

[cold zenith]

Oof

[shadow shoal]

Just dodge

[tacit jungle]

man, am I really going to get used to 25m grapple 😦

[restive patrol]

the special powder calls your name in the dark

the special powder dances around your dwarven nostrils

the special powder overclock is here for you and can.go.the.distance

✨

[tall heath]

if somebody's PC crashes while loading a level does the loading just stay stuck for everybody indefinitely or will it drop them at some point?

nm, looks like it does kick them after a few minutes

[quaint lake]

fast deploy on scout's grapple is also superb for dodges

you don't really need to go even faster, it's already insanely fast, so being able to just zoom right after the mouse click is very good

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Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[jagged zenith]

missions are quick AF
my team which took 1:30 to finish 0_0

[raven grove]

The ghost wasn’t killing my greenbeards, everything else was. Even though we ultimately failed, it was fun to see how hard I can carry a team where everyone else is at 20+ downs. By the end of stage 2 I was getting comments asking if my back hurt.

[oblique meadow]

If you at least got them through the first mission, that's an extra core they got so I bet they were happy with it.

[shadow shoal]

Counter offer, faster momentum allows for more parkour potential when swinging around

[hazy comet]

i havent had an EDD take more than 75 minutes. Sounds like your team just dallies around a lot

[opal minnow]

no, 30m or bust

[leaden cypress]

special powder

[lone lance]

30m as if i go back to 25 i know i will die. a lot. all the time. lol.

[short charm]

I use 25m and the high velocity hook for CQC builds, and 30m + overcharged winch for moving around faster. Both have their place, but 30m + overcharged winch can get to many more places that the other build cant, because you have so much momentum when you let go of the grapple.

[lone lance]

Yeah, it is purely the habit of eyeballing 30m grapples will remain, so having less range will lead to failed grapples, thus violent dwarf/surface interfacing, ha.

[hazy comet]

did this one with a bunch of level 20s. very easy EDD, had like 600 nitra at the end

took 50 mins

[wraith shard]

man, i was playing with another friend and we almost got through the second stage of the edd, stroke of bad luck

[jovial matrix]

I am so happy! 😄 Ive tried the EDD like five times, even tried it solo once, and now finally I made it. We first had a 4man party, and failed at stage 2 as Ive always done before. Just get overwhelmed by the waves since we cant be defensive/be together easily.

Then, two of them left, and me and the other dude decided to do it duo. And we fucking made it! Extremely hard, but still. Stage 2 was hell, but we eeked through. Stage 3 was hard but managable. Only one bulk.

And yeah, I see people here saying this edd was easy. Maybe I'm just terrible at dealing with haunting 😛

[lone lance]

Haunting is just a matter of getting used to the social distancing 😛

[gaunt summit]

gj man, I just lost again on the second mission of that EDD, it's especially infuriating when you die because of lag spikes even on "close" servers

[jovial matrix]

Oof, yeah I had a loss to that as well. Insane lag, and then disconnect. Really sucks.

[little timber]

What time does the deep dive reset?

[shrewd echo]

14hrs from now

[little timber]

Ah I’ve got plenty of time then, thanks

[tacit jungle]

ohhh I haven't thought of using overcharged winch, but it sounds great because normal grappling speed is so leisurely

[tacit jungle]

when they invent grappling hook overclocks, I want one that turns into instant teleport plz

[manic pivot]

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Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[potent crater]

Heck yeah man

[restive patrol]

magma level here we gooooooooooooo

[tacit jungle]

overcharged winch grapple is incredible

first, lag as if you have high ping then y e e t

[uncut raptor]

it's gonna be triple escort in magma core, i can feel it

[tidal salmon]

No servers in drg m8

Only peer to peer

So your host prob had terrible connection

Rip

[little timber]

any tips for escort solo? I feel like I need to be in 3 places at once

[zinc coral]

During the refueling phase, there isn't much around it. You just need to be able to handle multitasking. Defend doretta when enemies are attacking, then get as much oil shale/nitra/objective during downtime.
During tunneling phase, pretty simple just shoot stuff and keep an eye on your Doretta's health.
During hearthstone phase, shoot stuff and keep an eye on Doretta's health.
For the omoran rocks stage in solo, if you wanted to you can technically cheese it by not even having to shoot the rocks. Just repair through the damages.
And for the beamer stage, just use Bosco to destroy the top of the beamers if you're busy defending doretta from enemies

[little timber]

the problem is I feel like I get in a vicious cycle where I need to repair during the rock phase but the escort is taking more damage then I can keep up with

especially when I need to stop to kill a bug eating me

thorns helps but it does not get them all

im trying with beast master, that might help

[zinc coral]

yeah if u can find a very short window of time where there aren't rocks, either keep repairing or kill a few bugs such as slashers.

and kill the ones aggro'd to you. the rest will just be focused on doretta

[little timber]

the telling bosco to take out the laser tips is really good advice thanks

[little timber]

thanks for the advice, just managed to do it!

[little timber]

I got carpet bomber from the haunted cave one

[hazy comet]

i like to take the gamer ™️ approach to doretta's hp. If its above 0 I still win

[gaunt summit]

i know, i worded that incorrectly

[little timber]

thanks so much for your help, I have now completed my first solo elite deep dive!

[eager palm]

I attempted to solo that mission today as scout

it was pain

at least when you're bad like me

[little timber]

I couldnt imagine doing it as scout

cryo drills helped a lot

[zinc coral]

nice congrats

[eager palm]

I made it to around the end of stage 3 of the drilldozer but too many bugs

critical weakness is pretty fun tho I quite enjoy 1 shotting guards with an unfocused m1k shot

[late lotus]

What's recommended for driller in this case? Cryo seems like more of a team weapon and I don't really have any overclocks yet

[ashen patrol]

little bit of a 4fun build but max freeze + damage drills and vampire is hte closest thing you can get to melee in this game

[manic pivot]

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[manic pivot]

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New Deep Dives are now available!
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[high garden]

Cross your fingers for no aquarks boys

[tidal salmon]

1min left for me

[atomic anchor]

Cross your fingers for critical weakness

[tidal salmon]

no

no crit weakness

[atomic anchor]

Better than exploder infestation

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Bedazzled Field
Stage 1: 4 Eggs + 📡 1 Black Box | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 7 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 200 Morkite + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Mactera Plague

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Dense Biozone | Code Name: Frightened Badland
Stage 1: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + Classic Dreadnought | Haunted Cave
Stage 3: 2 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | Cave Leech Cluster

[lone lance]

No mutators? Suspicious as fuck.

[quiet mortar]

I know right

[atomic anchor]

Incoming lethal bugs dread hunt

[lone lance]

Lethal dread point extract

[quiet mortar]

Nah, I'm waiting for the Elite threat Point Extraction

[lone lance]

Low oxy aquarc,, huh

Hopefully not too hidden this time

[atomic anchor]

Better prepare bosco for a lot of grabbing if I'm gonna do this solo

Which I probably will because I can never find a team 😔

[lone lance]

I just make a public one, ha.

aaand haunted dreadnought

that will be fun if the room isn't too big. easy to tunnel vision the dread.

[uncut raptor]

DD this week looks like it'll be fun to solo

[lone lance]

Dale a tu cuerpo alegría, Macarena
aaaand macteras.

[valid phoenix]

haunted cave mining mission

[atomic anchor]

Hm, mactera plague? Methinks cryo driller or scout time.

[lone lance]

with last mactera plagues density i think i'll try AC, lol

they were so dense i cleared a swarm with a cluster grenade.

[broken shore]

EDD 3rd = 2 MULE + 150 morkite / leech cluster

[lone lance]

but testing snowball in DD does sound fun

[atomic anchor]

AC against mactera turns it into just a flak cannon

[lone lance]

prox shell OC for AC when

[little timber]

its always cryo driller time

what does classic dreadnaught mean?

[uncut raptor]

it's the original dreadnought

not the twins or hiveguard

[little timber]

ahhhh nice

ive a bone to pick with the twins

[uncut raptor]

i used to hate the twins until i learnt how you're supposed to deal with them

[scarlet jewel]

At least its not all for naught, right?

[little timber]

I just get greedy

get one to 1 hp

and then cry as I witness them get full healed

[uncut raptor]

yeah you're supposed to wittle them both down at the same time, never focus on just one unless you know for certain they'll die

[little timber]

im aware haha

as driller though at around 2/3rds HP I feel like I can always one shot them

and I always get so close

[atomic anchor]

No dreads on the deep dive got me

[little timber]

there is a dread stage 2 of the EDD isnt there?

[uncut raptor]

should be, it's the reason why you asked what classic dreadnought meant

[little timber]

yea haha

maybe its a veiled insult against the classic dreadnaught

not not even acknowledge it as its namesake

[tidal salmon]

edd seems p easy

but scout solo on stage 3 maybe tough as fck

time to find out

[azure wraith]

deep dive was a walk in the park

[tidal spruce]

First off, low O2 and haunted cave can go die in a hole, second off, I would concur. Both look relatively easy