#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 58

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 1:35 PM

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Does anyone know?

low hamlet Jul 29, 2021, 1:35 PM

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this is another cleanup thing u can do

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im also gonna clean this up. get better selectors now that i know how

short cloud Jul 29, 2021, 1:37 PM

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I know it's not infinite because if you go on for long enough, it'll eventually stop chasing you.
I think it's like a cone but I literally have nothing on that but guesses

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At the same time, I know they can go for 90° grab too so it's unlikely

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Im guessing its just a radius

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A big circle per say on the floor, if your in it, they will do everything in their power to try

short cloud Jul 29, 2021, 1:38 PM

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more likely horizontal range and maybe LOS ?

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no idea tbh

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 1:38 PM

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Maybe. Its impossible to test too

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 1:38 PM

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My guess would be a kind of big cylinder. But I am not sure.
I will see if I can find something in the files.

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 1:38 PM

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Get grabbed, and one way or another a leech dies.

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Maybe someone could make a..dare i utter it..

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A mod

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That makes heightened senses release you instead of killing it?

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Then its a matter of just finding a leech and seeing

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Found something, I will need a few tests to confirm it as it seems a bit low.

GrapDistance: 2m
GrapDelay: 0.1s
TentacleSpeed: 6m/s
TentacleRetractSpeed: 11m/s
TentaclePullSpeed: 20m/s
TentacleDropPlayerSpeed: 15m/s
TentacleDropGroundDistance: 3m```

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Yeah. I swear ive been grabbed from larger roofs

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Same here, unless height is Z, in that case it could be a 10m cylinder.

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That’s why modded tests will be needed to confirm that.
Either playing with the values or just spawning leeches and checking the distance.

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Spawning leeches seems like the better option

short cloud Jul 29, 2021, 1:48 PM

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weary sonnet Same here, unless height is Z, in that case it could be a 10m cylinder.

sounds likely tbh

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I've been grabbed from waaay farther than that

willow trail Jul 29, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Can someone help me create a redirect?
I wanted to move the empty redirect page "Framework" to go to weapon skins

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but it won't let me :/

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 2:03 PM

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im sure Elythnwaen can do it once their done with our cave leech dilemma.

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 2:06 PM

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The redirect should work now.
The good code to make it work was that:
#REDIRECT [[Weapon Skins]]

willow trail Jul 29, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Ahh okai thanks ❤️

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 2:06 PM

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The full url is only needed for links outside of the wiki.and you need two square braces, not one.

willow trail Jul 29, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Tried to follow the guide on the fandom help page, but it wasn't really clear to me
Tried the #REDIRECT, but must have messed it up - it told me i was trying to create an illegal/ blacklisted page
Thanks for the help 🙂

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 2:12 PM

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For the leech it indeed seems to be a ~10m cylinder around the leech.

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It start to go after me when I am at 9m from it from the side using the laser pointer.
A one meter errror seems fine since the origin is the center of the dwarf head and I aim the side of the leech.

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And there is no limit for the height as far as I can tell, I was able to get one up to 50m away.

short cloud Jul 29, 2021, 2:21 PM

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So it seems to be confirmed indeed

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nice

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 2:21 PM

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those sons of bitches growin extra tentacle just to get me

bold plover Jul 29, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Yes, Z is height.

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I remember testing the cylinder a long time ago, that sounds correct.

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Mr.Banagement has blessed us with his presense
If its not already written on the wiki, maybe put the findings there?

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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weary sonnet Found something, I will need a few tests to confirm it as it seems a bit low. ``...

wait, which part seems a bit low ?

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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I mean the 10m if it was the reach.

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But it is fine since it is the cylinder radius.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 7:46 PM

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well, if we consider the 3D space, and you consider 3 planes that go along that axis, we would have XY , XZ and YZ
XY, which is the one used, should be the plane that is on "a similar position" of a paper on the ground, now draw a circle on that , I would guess it is the distance of the cilinder, whatever it is called...

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Diamiter? Radius?

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 7:54 PM

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seems it is radius and height, so radius works

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Just to confirm:
10m radius / 20m diameter
No height limit

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 8:39 PM

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though only downwards, for no limit ?

short cloud Jul 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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yeah

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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still, with "GrapDistance: 2m" does it end up grabbing farther than those 10m ?

short cloud Jul 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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apparently it's even a bit shorter

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see this : #wiki-related-chatroom message

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2021, 9:18 PM

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I wasn’t able to test the limit upward, but testing it should be possible by spawning one on the ground and using infinite jump / flying if you really want to test it.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 9:19 PM

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rare situation in game nonetheless

bold plover Jul 29, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Leeches have the same grab range above as below.

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Which is pretty much just a line trace till it finds the nearest collider.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565850434376302613/612474636684492809/unknown.png

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Spooky

low hamlet Jul 29, 2021, 9:29 PM

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that's why they can do the grab from below thingy

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i guess if something with the terrain does a dumb it ignores that it's there and thus it can grab anywhere

orchid jewel Jul 29, 2021, 10:17 PM

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I do not like the leeches

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I am making an elite squad of dwarves to single handedly eliminate all leeches

amber geyser Jul 30, 2021, 12:30 AM

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idk if y'all know this but there is no information for how much xp the machine events give on either the machine events page or the experience page

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 1:35 AM

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Alright so the Leadstorm doubles the ammo count, right? Does it shoot 2 bullets per shot, or does it count down 2 for 1 bullet

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Im assuming its 2 ammo consumed for 1 bullet, but at this point im just trying to learn as much nitty gritty shit as i can

floral drift Jul 30, 2021, 1:49 AM

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the latter. it says "30 RoF and 2400 ammo" but it's functionally 15 RoF and 1200 ammo. it's 2 ammo per bullet shot.

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Thought so, cuz the devs thought id be better to have big number to make you feel stronger right?

floral drift Jul 30, 2021, 1:50 AM

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zhukovs do the same thing, too

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Do they? I thought it stated it was 'combined' ammo on the loadout screen

floral drift Jul 30, 2021, 1:51 AM

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i think the GSG devs intended for it to have 30 RoF in concept, but there's a technical limitation with the UE4.25 engine that makes it infeasible to do anything above 20 RoF

burnt sundial Jul 30, 2021, 1:52 AM

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yes, the engine didn't like having to calculate that much from one gun, but GSG "liked seeing the ammo count go down that fast" so they just made the readouts doubled

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Right on

low hamlet Jul 30, 2021, 2:15 AM

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i realized on the fd skin the change differences aren't highlighted in green :v

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welp time to do the fixy fix

low hamlet Jul 30, 2021, 2:39 AM

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nvm it's js related

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rip

acoustic scarab Jul 30, 2021, 9:20 AM

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Worth mentioning on the Stubby page?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/oug1nn/turret_em_discharge_works_on_returning_turrets_too/?utm_source=ifttt

r/DeepRockGalactic - Turret EM discharge works on returning turrets...

0 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit

indigo kindle Jul 30, 2021, 10:14 AM

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This is a part bug(?), part feature.
Bug(?) - according to Devs, both EM Discharge and Turret Arc are supposed to work only on fully built turrets.
Feature - Devs never mentioned if those 2 OCs should work on returning turrets, therefore "feature" as in "unintended interaction" that currently exists.
There's also an exploit, but that shouldn't be discussed here.

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 10:38 AM

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If the devs say it should work one way, and it doesnt, its a bug/oversight

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So it shouldnt be added to the wiki unless the devs confirm it was intended or something imo

acoustic scarab Jul 30, 2021, 11:12 AM

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The wiki states the buff beers apply their effect twice ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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But I have no strong feelings either way, just pointing out

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 11:24 AM

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Ive always been of the opinion wikis should only include patched out bugs.
But at the same time id love for the devs to keep this in since its not easily done and could raise the skill ceiling some

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Also very situational for anything but EM

acoustic scarab Jul 30, 2021, 11:29 AM

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I mean, yeah, if the player can hit their flying turret and time it to hit near bugs, they deserve the damage

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Agreed.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2021, 1:42 PM

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beer bugs is quite different from turret one
when wiki talks about double buff, it is only because we want to say what is the true effect of using it
turrets would be like showing how to do some exploit, or trick ,

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Hey does pellet count on Special powder matter at all?

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Also does each pellet deal the weapon damage?

bold plover Jul 30, 2021, 11:12 PM

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No and yes.

orchid jewel Jul 30, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Thanks.
One last question, 50% dmg to fire means its taking half damage dealt, and dealing that back as fire right? Like uh-

80dmg dealt
/2
40 dmg added as fire
120 total?

short cloud Jul 31, 2021, 12:08 AM

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orchid jewel Thanks. One last question, 50% dmg to fire means its taking half damage dealt, a...

yes

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Does the barrel spin for gunner cool the weapon faster? Friend thinks it does, im not sure.

bold plover Aug 1, 2021, 1:58 AM

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No.

craggy sentinel Aug 1, 2021, 2:14 AM

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orchid jewel Does the barrel spin for gunner cool the weapon faster? Friend thinks it does, i...

To elaborate further:
https://giant.gfycat.com/CalmHopefulBlowfish.webm

Gfycat

Minigun Cooldown

▶ Play video

glacial topaz Aug 1, 2021, 2:23 AM

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why do people only think a few weapons would have a bonus for reloading , like LS ?
and not for stubby for example "doing those cool manouvers you get bonus damage, because yes"
even more, if it was even supposed to cool things faster, wouldn't there be a modifier, or even overclock that would change that interaction ? or even have anywhere in the game talk about it

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I dont know man. I just asked because i didnt know for sure

craggy sentinel Aug 1, 2021, 2:25 AM

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It's an old dwarves tale that's been around for years.
(like that gif was finally made in February 2019 to prove it wasn't a thing...)

urban dew Aug 1, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Long shot but I figure I'll ask here - is there a page that explains the mechanics behind carrying heavy objects and when you are forced to drop them?

Playing with PGL + RJ250 and trying to understand if there's a way to continue carrying something after riding the explosive.

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Fall damage will do It. I suppose if you could launch yourself and carry the item they youd be fine until you hit the ground

urban dew Aug 1, 2021, 3:25 AM

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For some reason the explosion from the PGL also causes you to throw it, it seems.

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(Mid air, you throw it away)

bold plover Aug 1, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Once you hit a certain velocity threshold you drop it.

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1000 / 10 meters per second.

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Standing, max throw force without Strong Arm is 10m.

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You can still do the old flick style for greater distance though (as the host).

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Carrying slows you either by 85% or 15%, my guess is 85% via stat change.

acoustic scarab Aug 1, 2021, 3:29 PM

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I would like to call this into question.
Just today I did 4 missions over the course of 2+ hours, and the buff beer has remained Red Rock Blaster all along. And this isn't the first time I'm noticing this

shell frigate Aug 1, 2021, 3:29 PM

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That's the power of RNG

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Missions are based off system clock so is buff beer

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So you could change you system clock to a certain time and if you create the lobby at that time it will always be the same one

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Just like the missions would be

acoustic scarab Aug 1, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Alright, I'll gather more info and return with my findings

shell frigate Aug 1, 2021, 3:31 PM

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This definitely was the case some updates ago, and I doubt it has changed

acoustic scarab Aug 1, 2021, 3:32 PM

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I doubt so too. But that's why I'm only inquiring and not claiming something to be false

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 3:38 PM

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With the small selection of beers i could for sure believe it

acoustic scarab Aug 1, 2021, 3:44 PM

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There are 8 buff beers, so each one has a 12.5% chance to be rolled every 30 minutes.

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Rolling the same beer 4 times means 12.5% x 12.5% x 12.5% x 12.5%, which is 0.024%

burnt sundial Aug 1, 2021, 3:47 PM

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you say that and yet the game still gives me dark morkite 6 missions on a row

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also pretty sure the game has some extra bias towards keeping the current one because I see it stay at the same beer all the time

short cloud Aug 1, 2021, 3:47 PM

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burnt sundial you say that and yet the game still gives me dark morkite 6 missions on a row

so you sat for 3hours checking every 30min ?

acoustic scarab Aug 1, 2021, 3:47 PM

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While it is possible I experienced an event of such low odds, I somehow doubt it's pure chance

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Doesnt this game have some fudgy rounding? Could that be it?

burnt sundial Aug 1, 2021, 3:48 PM

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short cloud so you sat for 3hours checking every 30min ?

I played the game for a moderate amount of time which yes may well have been several hours

short cloud Aug 1, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Beers reset every 30min

acoustic scarab Aug 1, 2021, 3:49 PM

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It doesn't matter right now without data points. I already track all kinds of things, it's not a big undertaking to start tracking timestamps and beer on display as well

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Remember to refresh the lobby, i dont think the beers cycle until the lobby has been reloaded.

burnt sundial Aug 1, 2021, 4:02 PM

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that is also correct, same thing happens with screens like on the mineral trade for the daily deal

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:06 PM

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fellas i got a question about a Upgrade/Overclock pairing

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So the Bulldog has Explosive Bullets (+30 AoE, x.5 Damage)
what does this do with Magic Bullets (Bounce off Terrain, +8 Ammo, -20dmg)
Or Chain hit (75% chance to ricochet on weakpoint hit)

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does it Indeed Ricochet/Bounce after dealing its AoE, and then deal extra? or does it only deal the AoE once

burnt sundial Aug 1, 2021, 4:10 PM

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I do believe it does its damage and then magically continues

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:10 PM

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I can test, if nobody is sure

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Ive got chain hit at least laying around i think, and my buddy has magic bullets

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:19 PM

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orchid jewel does it Indeed Ricochet/Bounce after dealing its AoE, and then deal extra? or do...

continuing this- can Chain shot theoretically hit weakpoints and ricochet multiple times?

burnt sundial Aug 1, 2021, 4:19 PM

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you'd need to be very lucky for that to happen

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:20 PM

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but it can happen, yes?

short cloud Aug 1, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I'm pretty sure it only ricochet once

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And yes you can deal double AoE with magic bullet

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:21 PM

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I dont have chainshot or magic bullets, piss.

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gonna dick around on Experimental. me and a bud are thinking of strange builds which is the whole reason behind this question

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experimental has that cheat button somewhere yeah?

short cloud Aug 1, 2021, 4:22 PM

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yeah

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 4:26 PM

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am i allowed to ask where it is or is that hush hush

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..

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im stupid

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found it lol

short cloud Aug 1, 2021, 4:30 PM

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lol

floral drift Aug 1, 2021, 4:56 PM

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yes, Chain Hit/Magic Bullets will make T3.B trigger its explosion twice. it's a well-known combo to use Explosive Rounds, Neurotoxin, and Magic Bullets for swarm clearing with the Revolver.

no, Ricochets can only happen a maximum of one time. so, although it's possible for Chain Hit to ricochet from Weakpoint A to Weakpoint B, there's no way that it could "chain infinitely".

orchid jewel Aug 1, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Unfortunate but thank you

orchid jewel Aug 2, 2021, 1:00 AM

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hey, lads?

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isnt the AI stability engine unique to the Deepcore GK2?

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s'not listed as such, I can try my hand at adding it

stark tulip Aug 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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"unique" just means overclocks with unique functionality
like ice spear or something

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or things with ricochet effects

orchid jewel Aug 2, 2021, 1:04 AM

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seems a bit silly but i guess i get it

glacial topaz Aug 2, 2021, 2:42 AM

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brb calling it "Overclocks with effects too complex to fit into the overclock table effect column"

floral drift Aug 2, 2021, 2:43 AM

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"Non-Intuitive Upgrades"?

low hamlet Aug 2, 2021, 3:03 AM

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glacial topaz brb calling it "Overclocks with effects too complex to fit into the overclock ta...

wordy moment

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heh

glacial topaz Aug 2, 2021, 3:10 AM

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no need to change it, unique works fine, unless there is another single word that is good sounding
also, it is not non-intuitive
it is just "too big to fit on the table" ,
"complex" , "special" you see

bold plover Aug 3, 2021, 4:00 AM

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<@&296918282403840000> Steam scam stuff in multiple channels. Sorry for the mass ping.

low hamlet Aug 3, 2021, 4:29 AM

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man

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:18 PM

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What is "Burn" damage listed on the Incendiary grenade?

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:22 PM

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its burn damage. as in, fire damage. like the CRSPR

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either that or its the damage the glyphid takes after they've been set ablaze

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Why the inconsistent labelling

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:34 PM

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... because that is not how it works
it is different damage types,

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:35 PM

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So Incendiary Grenade's lingering fire has its own unique damage type?

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:38 PM

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uhm, no
not unique, game uses DMG_Burn (only affects HP) , DMG_Heat (only affects Temperature), and DMG_Fire, (combines both other damages)
the wiki names are different as to make it easier to understand

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:39 PM

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I am 100% aware I am being nitpicky here but

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Crspr's stat box has it listed as doing 11 fire and 10 heat

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:40 PM

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and ? that is incendiary

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:40 PM

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yeah. that lines up with the info he just gave us

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Er maybe I'm misunderstanding here

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"(combines both other damages)" what do you mean by this

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:41 PM

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it means it deals the burn and heat dmg

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Fire damage= Burn+heat

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:41 PM

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But crspr doesn't deal 11 heat though

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It deals 10

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

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okay? and?

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thats not up to the wiki team, thats up to the devs who made the values

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

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That's not fire damage then

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

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you are wrong.

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

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??

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What

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

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im making an assumption here but its still dealing both dmg types

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thats what makes it fire dmg

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Does or does not fire damage deal burn + heat damage

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:43 PM

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one is for temp.
one is for actual dmg

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this is probably why the values are different

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aka:

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one make bug hurt, other make bug feel hot and is affected by the cooling damage of cryo

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:43 PM

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only thing missing should be explaining the different damage types , as the differences aren't listed anywhere iirc

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:44 PM

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dwarf

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That is not what I am asking

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Please stop trying

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:44 PM

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yeah, i checked and the different types arent listed on the wiki's status effect.
i dont know what your asking because im making it pretty clear, and so is the wiki:
It deals both damage types. thats why it is listed

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it deals 11 burning damage
it deals 10 heat damage

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:45 PM

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So incendiary's 10 burn + 20 heat doesn't count as fire damage despite working the same as crspr's?

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Nay, not the same

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:46 PM

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yeah, i was wrong, thats why Omega corrected me

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:46 PM

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"HP + heat" damage is 100% / 100% proportion
so devs didn't use it

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Which damage type is HP + heat

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:49 PM

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glacial topaz uhm, no not unique, game uses DMG_Burn (only affects HP) , DMG_Heat (only affect...

here,DMG_Burn (only affects HP) , DMG_Heat (only affects Temperature), and DMG_Fire, (combines both other damages)
also, Ely should know better any more specific details
gotta figure out where to clear up the confusion

austere fossil Aug 4, 2021, 1:49 PM

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I think Lucent's issue is the appearance of "Burn" when the Wiki usually avoids saying that

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And instead calls "DMG_Burn" Fire and "DMG_Fire" Fire+Heat

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:50 PM

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So does Fire deal equal amounts of both HP and temperature damage or both at custom values?

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:51 PM

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I guess FIRE on wiki is dmg_burn ,
and BURN on wiki is dmg_fire ?

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 1:51 PM

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seems both at custom values for the CRSPR to deal 11hp and 10temp
probably for balance/upgrading/overclocking damage

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:52 PM

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glacial topaz I guess FIRE on wiki is dmg_burn , and BURN on wiki is dmg_fire ?

But Incendiary has the HP dmg listed as Burn

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Unless it's dealing 10 hp + heat dmg and then simultaneously also dealing an extra 20 heat dmg?

austere fossil Aug 4, 2021, 1:53 PM

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No, the Wiki never implies Heat damage

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It will say "Fire+Heat" if it does both

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Which usually means "Burn" is never said

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:54 PM

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if that is the case we made some confusion

austere fossil Aug 4, 2021, 1:54 PM

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But for some reason it is said on the Incendiary page

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Burn is "fire damage" and so interacts with fire weaknesses like you'd expect but because "Burn" isn't the same word as "Fire" is can lead to a bit of confusion in the casual reader.

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That, and avoiding assuming the reader knows the difference between DMG_Burn and DMG_Fire is the reason "Fire+Heat" was being used instead of just saying "Fire".

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:57 PM

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there's no glossary of the various damage types is there?

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Oh there is

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 1:58 PM

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well, ping Ely to help fix it ? don't want to wrongly change the incendiary dmg types

rancid crest Aug 4, 2021, 1:58 PM

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@weary sonnet I cast poke, I would like some clarification on wiki labelling of "Fire", "Heat", and "Burn" damage type labels please

austere fossil Aug 4, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Speaking of the Damage type glossary, this should probably be clarified

See You In Hell (increases Melee damage when the Dwarf is hit by Melee damage).
To
See You In Hell (increases base/regular Pickaxe Melee damage when the Dwarf is hit by Melee damage).

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 2:13 PM

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rancid crest <@!88687704232951808> I cast poke, I would like some clarification on wiki label...

this is about some confusion on incendiary grenade using "Burn" as dmg, when wiki only uses Fire + Heat

weary sonnet Aug 4, 2021, 4:52 PM

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The wiki is supposed to use only two labels: Fire for damage to health and Heat for the temperature change.
That means game’s files name / wiki name equivalent are :
DMG_Burn / Fire
DMG_Heat / Heat
DMG_Fire / Fire + Heat
Burn should indeed not exist on the wiki.

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Can you help fix the values ? how should it be ?
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Incendiary_Grenade
currently:

orchid jewel Aug 4, 2021, 11:03 PM

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probably 10 fire+20 heat i imagine, if they dont like to use the word burn

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the values might be fine

glacial topaz Aug 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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is 336 the total number ?

tranquil hazel Aug 5, 2021, 1:43 AM

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That adds up to 273 for me, but my math might be off

glacial topaz Aug 5, 2021, 1:56 AM

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no, their math was really bad

stark tulip Aug 5, 2021, 1:57 AM

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(12 + 9 + 63) * 4 = 336

glacial topaz Aug 5, 2021, 1:57 AM

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exactly
as if each character only had One weapon

stark tulip Aug 5, 2021, 1:58 AM

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oh lol

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so it would be (12 * 4 + 9 + 63) * 4
assuming each weapon has the same paintjobs

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480

tranquil hazel Aug 5, 2021, 2:26 AM

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glacial topaz no, their math was really bad

oooh

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I see

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I misunderstood what they were saying

raven heart Aug 5, 2021, 12:53 PM

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just makin' sure y'all know this thing's a scam, some might not notice

low hamlet Aug 5, 2021, 3:01 PM

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some don't but it gets bonked very quickly

versed verge Aug 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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how exactly do the stats differ between elites and regular bugs

orchid jewel Aug 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Think thats listed on the wiki pages for em

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Differs from bug to bug

tranquil hazel Aug 6, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Praetorians go from chonk lite to diet chonk

orchid jewel Aug 6, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Bulks get bulkier and faster

acoustic scarab Aug 6, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Menace gets an Apache helicopter

burnt sundial Aug 6, 2021, 3:01 PM

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acidspitters get the NTP thunderhead

floral drift Aug 6, 2021, 3:45 PM

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versed verge how exactly do the stats differ between elites and regular bugs

ironically, i'm in the middle of writing up a Karl.gg blog post to answer this exact question 😆

acoustic scarab Aug 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Goddamnit wikia, get your table date sorting straight

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dd-mm-yyyy doesn't sort right, because you get
02-10-2020
03-12-2020
05-11-2020
06-11-2020
08-10-2020
and so on

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And yyyy-mm-dd doesn't sort at all

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The button just does nothing

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Disgusting

steep flume Aug 6, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Hey guys, can someone help me? I want to know if the EHP (which is actually a damage modifier) for bugs applies to armor damage too. Or doesn't matter the hazard lvl, will I always need to cause the same amount of armor damage to strength based armor? I was reading about these stuffs on the wiki and this question came to me

low hamlet Aug 6, 2021, 9:35 PM

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acoustic scarab Goddamnit wikia, get your table date sorting straight

might be fixable with custom js

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no idea how to fix that tho

rancid crest Aug 6, 2021, 9:47 PM

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steep flume Hey guys, can someone help me? I want to know if the EHP (which is actually a da...

It affects armor but isnt supposed to afaik

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Unless that changed at some point without my notice

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Meatshield has a writeup on it on karl.gg’s blog section

weary sonnet Aug 6, 2021, 9:49 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Creature_Armor#Armor_Damage
And some more recent tests done by MeatShield regarding in particular how area damage effects interact with armor:
https://karl.gg/blog/20

austere fossil Aug 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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For Heavy armor, yes. For light/medium armor, no.

steep flume Aug 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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I see... so that means i'll need more damage per shot if i want 100% break chance to this type of armor in higher hazard lvls?

austere fossil Aug 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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I think you've got them crossed

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Heavy Armor just has its own HP bar

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which is affected by the hazard scaling

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You deplete that HP and it breaks, no RNG at all

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(one or two exceptions, the page goes into all the details)

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Light armor like you see on the Grunts' bodies is what has the RNG factor.

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Those take the same amount of damage to guarantee a break on all hazards

steep flume Aug 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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ohhh I got it

austere fossil Aug 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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(which is 60 for most things)

steep flume Aug 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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so the health based armor is affected by the EHP modifier (you dealt less damage to the armor health in higher hazard lvls), but the based-chance armor has the same amount of damage needed to the 100% break chance in all hazards, its correct?

floral drift Aug 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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steep flume so the health based armor is affected by the EHP modifier (you dealt less damage...

yes. it's important to clarify that for ArmorHealth, only Direct Damage gets divided by Normal Scaling Resistance; Area Damage does not. Area Damage has its own bug though, where instead of falling off linearly it drops from 100% to 25% 0.5m away from the center

steep flume Aug 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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ok i got it

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thanks dudes

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Chika bless you

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 4:25 AM

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checking here too, Machine events, have all on a single page, (since they are small enough for it)
or have each a small individual page ?
someone ended up cutting ME page to make individual pages already, and I can't do much right now, so checking here for when I return

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:47 AM

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i mean there's just not enough info to validate having multiple pages

burnt sundial Aug 8, 2021, 4:51 AM

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well there might be for the OMEN, and for kursite

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but those could be put into some sort of subsection or whatever, some of the stuff in the wiki has that. I think the korlok does it

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:53 AM

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it doesn't

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unless ur talking about this

burnt sundial Aug 8, 2021, 4:53 AM

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yeah that sort of thing

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multiple pages within the one page since they're all related and alone don't have enough to be worth it

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:55 AM

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idk how that would work for all of that information

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becuase it's just this for those different tabs

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unless you want to do something like this

burnt sundial Aug 8, 2021, 4:55 AM

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oh wait that's that section, there was a different way it was done

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I'll see if I can find it

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:58 AM

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alright

acoustic scarab Aug 8, 2021, 10:08 AM

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Does the flamethrower really erase egg flesh in the same way it erases snow, ice and platforms?

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 12:58 PM

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I can check real fast

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 1:01 PM

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acoustic scarab Does the flamethrower really erase egg flesh in the same way it erases snow, ice...

yes

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sustained fire from my CRSPR did melt through the flesh

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strange how it makes the steam effect though

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 1:25 PM

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perfect

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2 of the pages were redirects to the main page
2 are new completely new pages, turn the new ones to redirects too ?

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 2:13 PM

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@glacial topaz are you talking abt the me thing?

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Affirmative

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 2:16 PM

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ok yeah

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just make them all redirects...

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did u revert the changes on the main page?

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 2:17 PM

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reverted it

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 2:18 PM

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alright

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im working on styling lightmode, finishing up photoshopping the weapon skins, and i can do some work on improving the me page maybe

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 2:53 PM

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grrrr i want to use theme designer lol

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i can't set variables

weary sonnet Aug 8, 2021, 2:54 PM

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If you need some test/screenshots from the theme designer let me know.

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 2:59 PM

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are you able to style links and general font colors?

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because the way im doing it is gonna be a lot more tedious

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i think that color links might work?

wary cove Aug 8, 2021, 3:07 PM

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notLikeHandler

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 3:08 PM

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lol

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lightmode is trash my eyes are hating me rn

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...this literally worked 2 seconds ago

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explain?

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it's only letting me change it to values darker than the default grey color

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and using !important does nothing and using hex codes does nothing

shell frigate Aug 8, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Use inspector to see what is applying to it

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 3:25 PM

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using a more specific selector also doesn't do anything

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that does nothing (that's the selector it uses if you just copy the selector with devtools)

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wait

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im so confused lmao

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i think there's an opacity layer????

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ok ok i had to use .rfpbox for some reason lol

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 4:01 PM

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hey lads is there any confirmation that after X time point extract does endless swarms? ive heard it being a thing but no confirmation from the wiki

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 4:04 PM

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aren't you confusing it with on-site refining
never ever heard about infinite swarm on PE, and at least last time I tested it was just swarms with a short cooldown between it, but I couldn't discover much details

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:18 PM

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does that look decent?

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fixed the nav text

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i used too broad of a selector

short cloud Aug 8, 2021, 4:22 PM

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orchid jewel hey lads is there any confirmation that after X time point extract does endless ...

jump into a haz 5 game, make it last long enough.

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The timer between waves does decrease tremendously over time to the point it can be an infinite swarms if you don't kill them fast enough

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 4:23 PM

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alright tahnks

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:39 PM

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im calling that pretty good

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compared to what it was it definitely is good

analog rock Aug 8, 2021, 4:40 PM

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orchid jewel hey lads is there any confirmation that after X time point extract does endless ...

PE has no endless swarms, but the regular spawns can increase to a point where it feels like it. You'll still get regularly scheduled swarms in addition though
OSR Has an endless swarm on as soon as the refining is done.

weary sonnet Aug 8, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Current one for comparison:

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 4:41 PM

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also ignore the sidebar not existing i removed it on my personal css

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 5:11 PM

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so where is this coming from ? shouldn't t be reworded ?
"Red Sugar is apparently available as an addition to Red Rock Blaster ale."

acoustic scarab Aug 8, 2021, 5:13 PM

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This is coming from the ordering voice line

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"Round of Red Rock Blaster, Lloyd. With red sugar on top"

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 5:14 PM

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for me it sounded like it was part of the ingredients

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 5:14 PM

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They ask for extra sugar around the ring

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Like you put salt on a margarita

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So its an addition as well as an ingredient

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 5:15 PM

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would be better to actually reference the quote and be more specific

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Unless im thinking of the glyphid slammer

weary sonnet Aug 8, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Round of Red Rock Blasters, extra sugar around the rim, please!
From Crowdin.

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 5:25 PM

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complicated

acoustic scarab Aug 8, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Doesn't say it is red sugar though

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 6:09 PM

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acoustic scarab "Round of Red Rock Blaster, Lloyd. With red sugar on top"

so is this sentence still being used ? seems to be the most precise one

acoustic scarab Aug 8, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Ely posted the correct version, I misremembered a bit

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There might be two lines referring to sugar

weary sonnet Aug 8, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Round of Glyphid Slammers, Red Sugar on top, please!

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Didn’t find any other lines using sugar in the search.

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 7:10 PM

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i think it probably should be worded better tho

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almost done with photoshopping the dawn of the dread wep stuff

glacial topaz Aug 8, 2021, 10:11 PM

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so... "Dwarves might ask for Red Sugar to coat Glyphid Slammers." ?

low hamlet Aug 8, 2021, 10:28 PM

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in some voice lines activated when buying a glyphid slammer, dwarves ask for "red sugar on top"

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maybe

orchid jewel Aug 8, 2021, 10:33 PM

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if you guys have access to the voice lines why not put something like what Omega said and then have a hyperlink or whatever to a boiceline

low hamlet Aug 9, 2021, 12:42 AM

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you can just embed the ogg into the page and have a playable thingy

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you get the voicelines with unmodel. it's pretty easy

burnt sundial Aug 9, 2021, 4:28 AM

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wiki doesn't have descriptions for the items in it? It should, some of them have vaguely potentially important information

low hamlet Aug 9, 2021, 4:39 AM

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items?

burnt sundial Aug 9, 2021, 4:39 AM

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stuff like armor skins or pickaxe parts

glacial topaz Aug 9, 2021, 1:08 PM

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there are images already, describing all hundreds / thousands of variations would be... quite the long task

weary sonnet Aug 9, 2021, 1:09 PM

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The in game description is included, but that’s it.
There is usually a small description for stuff like weapons and creatures, but not for the rest.

glacial topaz Aug 9, 2021, 1:12 PM

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because there isn't really variations on weapons or creatures, if you want to include parts + skins you will have to first figure out where to have that, and second, figure a way to be cover every variation without describing each individually

weary sonnet Aug 9, 2021, 1:13 PM

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I wasn’t saying we should add detailed description for vanity items, I was just stating what was actually on the wiki.

I personally think adding vanity description would be way too time consuming for what we would gain from it, just as you said.

burnt sundial Aug 9, 2021, 1:20 PM

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I didn't mean describing the item, I meant the actual description the game shows you

weary sonnet Aug 9, 2021, 1:20 PM

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That one should be included all the time.

upper breach Aug 10, 2021, 6:49 PM

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The wiki is really hard to view on a phone

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I was just checking what the facemelter overclock did and it was really hard to reach, also full screen ads are a thing on the phone, guess fandom was not meant for phones

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It wasn’t to much of a hassle though

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Most people probably just use the computer to view the wiki

weary sonnet Aug 10, 2021, 6:55 PM

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We can’t do anything about the adds, fandom forbid us about changing anything about it, but there should be a way to disable it in your personal css.

As for the general page layout, if you have some advice on how to improve it, feel free to share them (something like concretes example would help since most of the editors here don’t use mobile view), I think there is about 30% phone user so it is something we must correct if we can.

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Almost 40% mobile user it seems, so it is for sure something we will have to fix.

upper breach Aug 10, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I just close the adds if they get to obnoxious, I actually saw less ads because the screen is so small, some of the text goes of the screen.

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I usually view in computer browser

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I might be able to scroll to the side to fix the text problem

weary sonnet Aug 10, 2021, 7:01 PM

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Can you take a screenshot of the part that didn’t display properly?
Looking at the flamethrower page, it seems to display well no matter the window size for me.

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My bad, just emulated a phone using chrome inspector and fandom totally ignores it using the medium size display instead…

upper breach Aug 10, 2021, 7:17 PM

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My bad, I just had to scroll to the side, sorry about false alarm

low hamlet Aug 10, 2021, 7:18 PM

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im pretty sure we arent even able to change mobile css for fd

weary sonnet Aug 10, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I checked the mobile support seems to be awful for fandom, as far as I see there is no real mobile view, only the fake mobile with an horizontal scrollbar.

low hamlet Aug 10, 2021, 7:37 PM

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yep

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can we uhhhh ~~remove this~~

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the related community thing is annoying

orchid jewel Aug 10, 2021, 7:41 PM

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How are they related-

acoustic scarab Aug 10, 2021, 7:42 PM

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They're on the same website

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Related enough for the owners of the website

low hamlet Aug 10, 2021, 7:43 PM

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welcome to fandom

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yay

acoustic scarab Aug 10, 2021, 7:43 PM

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They want people to get more involved, hence the cross-promotion

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I'm not sure about now, but pre-merge Gamepedia gave you a "pro" account (which meant no ads) if you kept editing consistently every once in a while

low hamlet Aug 10, 2021, 7:44 PM

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man, display: none; works a treat

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annnnnnd like it was never there

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clean

nimble oriole Aug 10, 2021, 8:15 PM

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hey guys i have a question, how do we make ammo, like i know we need nitra but after i dont know what do

weary sonnet Aug 10, 2021, 8:16 PM

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After gathering 80 nitra and putting it into molly/the minehead you can call a resupply.

austere fossil Aug 10, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Press 5 or "down" on a D-pad twice, then "Fire" to place the beacon.

glacial topaz Aug 10, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Been some time since I played
Is it hard to greenbeards to learn how to call supply drop ? Or even get reminded

spring inlet Aug 10, 2021, 10:41 PM

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i cant find the voice lines for all the laser pointer pings

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are they on the wiki?

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 12:31 AM

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don't think so

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 11:34 AM

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low hamlet welcome to fandom

I was wondering, who is in charge on this wiki from fandom

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 11:36 AM

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wicked gorge I was wondering, who is in charge on this wiki from fandom

it's HeyTots

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 11:39 AM

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low hamlet it's HeyTots

hmm okay

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 11:40 AM

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low hamlet it's HeyTots

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Community_Central:Staff
Is that the full staff?

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 11:43 AM

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i think so

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at least for fandom

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 11:43 AM

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there is one guy I cannot find there

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 11:47 AM

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idk

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 11:49 AM

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That fandom representative has been rude in another wiki and supported a fandom moderator who has been rude as well who has been damaging a part of the wiki

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while also demonstrating a deep minunderstanding of the wiki and the game

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The classic story of one rude friend protecting the other

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At least here, as far as I can tell, the community is the top priority of the wiki

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 11:59 AM

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wicked gorge That fandom representative has been rude in another wiki and supported a fandom ...

are you mistaking a wiki admin for a representative?

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 12:20 PM

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low hamlet are you mistaking a wiki admin for a representative?

there's the fandom representative and a moderator or two who do trouble, there are not many people active there nowadays

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just wanted to know if it's the same representative in here as well

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I get the sense it's not

acoustic scarab Aug 11, 2021, 1:52 PM

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With the number of wikis on Fandom easily in the hundreds, I can't imagine they have too much staff to moderate them.

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The people you can find in this channel are wiki editors and contributors, not anyone connected to Fandom itself

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 2:44 PM

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if you go in '#spam-vandal-report-fandom' on the fandom/gp discord you can report them

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 9:24 PM

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acoustic scarab The people you can find in this channel are wiki editors and contributors, not a...

Yeah, rock and stone man pickaxe

wicked gorge Aug 11, 2021, 9:26 PM

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low hamlet if you go in '#spam-vandal-report-fandom' on the fandom/gp discord you can repor...

they'll just protect eachother. Thanks for the advice though

low hamlet Aug 11, 2021, 9:31 PM

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they won't....

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you're reporting them to actual fandom staff

royal whale Aug 12, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Hey guys! Anyone know where I could find high res images for things like the perk and mod symbols? The ones in the wiki are great but it seems like they're all 150x150. Thanks!

glacial topaz Aug 12, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Pretty sure one would have to manually recreate or use software to increase the size
Never heard any places that have done that already

orchid jewel Aug 12, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Maybe the presskit the devs offer?

bold plover Aug 12, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Presskit does not.

orchid jewel Aug 12, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Aw Beans

low hamlet Aug 12, 2021, 7:55 PM

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royal whale Hey guys! Anyone know where I could find high res images for things like the per...

you'd have to recreate them. if you use the low res versions as a template it'd be easy to recreate in illustrator

orchid jewel Aug 12, 2021, 7:56 PM

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If you tell me which ones you need @royal whale i could take a swing at recreating them first thing when i get home

royal whale Aug 12, 2021, 8:11 PM

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That would be amazing! Just need vampire. I can fake it in Photoshop but illustrator is like a foreign language to me

orchid jewel Aug 12, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Will do. Hold tight and i'll get it to you shortly

orchid jewel Aug 12, 2021, 8:15 PM

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royal whale That would be amazing! Just need vampire. I can fake it in Photoshop but illustr...

Oh yeah- what size are you looking for? And i assume you want it colored properly to of course

floral drift Aug 13, 2021, 12:04 AM

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hey everybody. this week i did a lot of research into the Driller's Drills, figured out some stuff that's not documented in the Wiki yet. i just finished writing it up on the Karl blog, it will be re-published in a couple days. i'm planning to edit the Wiki page over the weekend

EDIT: post is hidden temporarily, i have to fix a couple things

glacial topaz Aug 13, 2021, 12:12 AM

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ain't in a hurry, take your time

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so you can do it however fits best, and that explains it nicely
I will keep an eye for mistakes 👁‍🗨

low hamlet Aug 13, 2021, 1:20 PM

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every time this channel has a message but i go in here to nothing, i know there was a scam post

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and there's been so many engimote

marsh osprey Aug 13, 2021, 1:25 PM

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same happens in #babelfish-lounge im afraid :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

rancid crest Aug 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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what is the max heat on the driller's drills? relative to cooling rate's value of "2"

floral drift Aug 13, 2021, 8:54 PM

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rancid crest what is the max heat on the driller's drills? relative to cooling rate's value o...

5.5

tranquil hazel Aug 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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proposition: FANDOM sucks ass
https://miraheze.org/

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these guys are completely nonprofit, don't have nearly as much random bullshit (haha layout change) and offer migration from other platforms apparently

orchid jewel Aug 13, 2021, 11:49 PM

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i dont think the lads in this chat are going to change anytime soon. fandom has been used by them for way too long.
also it may not even be up to them what they use

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2021, 12:00 AM

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Gamepedia, not Fandom
just that Fandom got Gamepedia and did all the merging and changes

low hamlet Aug 14, 2021, 1:19 AM

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yeah :|

acoustic scarab Aug 14, 2021, 8:27 AM

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Yeah, I specifically avoided Fandom and read/edited Gamepedia wikis, but they are the same company now

low hamlet Aug 14, 2021, 1:29 PM

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i have a question for you guys. should we go with the greyscale theme for tables or make the new greyscale fd tables our old style green?

shell frigate Aug 14, 2021, 2:32 PM

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I'm fine with either as long as it fits with the page

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 12:42 AM

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Two questions for you lads;

On the CRSPR what exactly does exploding an enemy do? does it just spread heat? direct damage?
How fast does heat radius cause an enemy to heat up?

short cloud Aug 15, 2021, 12:47 AM

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orchid jewel Two questions for you lads; 1. On the CRSPR what exactly does exploding an enem...

Targets Explode is a modification that gives enemies a 50% chance to explode if killed with direct damage. This damages enemies inside of the 0.5 meter radius of the explosion.

This applies to creatures of any size, including small enemies like swarmers or maggots.

Area Damage: 55 Fire + Heat
Maximum Damage Radius: 0.5m
Radius: 3m
Minimum Damage: 25%
Friendly Fire Modifier: 0%

I suppose you're talking about heat radiance ?
Heat radiance is 80 heat per second. For comparison, a praetorian burning threshold is 100° (so it's quite fast)

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 12:48 AM

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short cloud 1) Targets Explode is a modification that gives enemies a 50% chance to explode ...

yes! heat Radiance haha. but thank you, very helpful.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2021, 12:53 AM

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I hope that is on wiki,
Should be if I remember well

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 12:53 AM

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i usually ask here first but i think it is

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yeah, its on the wiki

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Though the Trivia section is missing the fact that the CRSPR can melt egg flesh, should I add that?

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 12:58 AM

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orchid jewel Though the Trivia section is missing the fact that the CRSPR can melt egg flesh,...

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I know Yoshkin asked a while back but it was never actually added
and im hesitant to actually edit it in myself even with the video as proof of it existing
was thinking of it reading "Sticky Flames will melt the environment in Glacial Strata, and Egg flesh in any biome. They can also melt platforms if the Engineer who placed them has the Plastcrete MKII modification."
Or make it its own blip to say
"In egg hunt, the CRSPR can melt through the flesh containing the eggs" or something?

austere fossil Aug 15, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Is it called "flesh" in game or "organic material"?

short cloud Aug 15, 2021, 1:41 AM

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organic material IIRC

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 1:41 AM

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it is organic material

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im GOING to add it, if any of the editors have an issue they can remove it but with video proof and such i feel its proper to include it

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its been added, i didnt think itd be so hard to fuckin bullet point a addition but here we are. much respect to our editors who do this stuff daily

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 2:09 AM

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Hey, lads why do we specify "With sticky flames" on the wiki? you cant disable sticky flames as far as I know so like- is it just because we're being specific about what does it?

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Where is that

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 2:45 AM

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the Trivia section.
it mentions that sticky flames specifically melt the Environment and engineer platforms

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only instance im aware of but i dont check the wiki often

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2021, 2:54 AM

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And what is wrong with sticky flames, if it is that causing the effect, and not direct damage

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 2:56 AM

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theres nothing wrong with it im just asking if theres any reasons in particular why we're so specific

rancid crest Aug 15, 2021, 4:33 AM

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…?

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 4:59 AM

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since light creature armor breaking is percentage based and the autocannon does 2 damages, does the game calculate 2 separate instances of armor breaking or does it calculate 1 summed up armor break on direct hits ((direct + area dmg) / armor strength)

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 8:52 AM

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About the flamethrower melting things:
Sticky flames don’t melt anything, it is the direct flame that melt stuff.

It seems there is a limit to how fast you can melt things, that’s what may have lead to the conclusion that it was coming from the sticky flames as shooting a few short burst is just as effective as shooting continuously.

But on the other hand shooting the minimum time to just create sticky flame lead to the ice not melting at all.

(Updated the wiki to remove replace "the sticky flames will melt …" by "The CRSPR will melt …")

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For the armor break question I don’t know the answer, that one would require in game tests.
Modded  PGL vs praet would be the best for that I think.

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Hum, MeatShield may have the answer actually with the tests he did.
@floral drift do you know the answer to this?

since light creature armor breaking is percentage based and the autocannon does 2 damages, does the game calculate 2 separate instances of armor breaking or does it calculate 1 summed up armor break on direct hits ((direct + area dmg) / armor strength)

floral drift Aug 15, 2021, 12:30 PM

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rancid blade since light creature armor breaking is percentage based and the autocannon does ...

i don't have definitive proof one way or the other, but my tests seem to indicate that Autocannon does its Direct and Area damage simultaneously. so, if that's the case, then it gets summed up and multiplied by AB% to calculate probability to break Light Armor.

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 12:32 PM

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That was my guess, but I was not sure either, looks like a test would be useful then.
My logic was damage count as a single component if area and single damage part are in the same 'group' in the code.

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I will make a mod to test that a bit later.

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 12:35 PM

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im thinking in practice its a single damage component but under the hood (especially as I think the bullet is hitscan/kinetic and the AoE is explosive?) its some weird mesh of numbers

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Both damage are in the same DamageComponent class in the code, we can check that, this is what it looks like for the autocannon weapon if you are curious:

{
  "Property": "Damage",
  "Type": "FloatProperty",
  "Offset": 15692,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15717,
  "Data Value": 14.0
},
{
  "Property": "DamageClass",
  "Type": "ObjectProperty",
  "Offset": 15721,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15746,
  "Data Value": "Import:DMG_Kinetic"
},
{
  "Property": "FriendlyFireModifier",
  "Type": "FloatProperty",
  "Offset": 15750,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15775,
  "Data Value": 0.0
},
{
  "Property": "UseAreaOfEffect",
  "Type": "BoolProperty",
  "Offset": 15779,
  "Size": 0,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Tag Data": true,
  "Value Offset": 15803
},
{
  "Property": "RadialDamage",
  "Type": "FloatProperty",
  "Offset": 15805,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15830,
  "Data Value": 9.0
},
{
  "Property": "RadialDamageClass",
  "Type": "ObjectProperty",
  "Offset": 15834,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15859,
  "Data Value": "Import:DMG_Explosive"
},
{
  "Property": "MinDamagePct",
  "Type": "FloatProperty",
  "Offset": 15863,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15888,
  "Data Value": 0.5
},
{
  "Property": "DamageRadius",
  "Type": "FloatProperty",
  "Offset": 15892,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15917,
  "Data Value": 140.0
},
{
  "Property": "MaxDamageRadius",
  "Type": "FloatProperty",
  "Offset": 15921,
  "Size": 4,
  "Array Index": 0,
  "Value Offset": 15946,
  "Data Value": 75.0
}```

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 12:40 PM

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hm, very cool. Never would have guessed

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 1:04 PM

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quick question: does the 2 electric dmg bonus from the em refire booster OC on the stubby get bonuses from hitting a weakpoint / % weakpoint dmg bonus

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 1:05 PM

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i dont think it does

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:06 PM

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It should, I will check that quickly.

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:12 PM

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rancid blade quick question: does the 2 electric dmg bonus from the em refire booster OC on t...

I can confirm it does benefit from weakpoint damage like most source of instant single target damage.

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 1:15 PM

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ok

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this will help a lot in my warthog or stubby decision

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ty

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also how do you mod the game like that to test numbers and variables

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 1:17 PM

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with mods.

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i dont know how Ely or Banagment do it specifically (making the mods that is) but my bets are their modders with access to the code and just fuck with variables as they see fit for the test

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:23 PM

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In this case I made the PGL so that it has exactly enough armor damage to have 100% to break a grunt armor in one hit if direct damage and AoE damage add up, but it will not be guarantee if they are separate.
The damage is 30 base damage, 30 AoE damage.
Then I made the grunt a lot bigger to be sure to only hit one plate and I see if the plate is always broken or not, that’s basically what I had in mind for the test.

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 1:23 PM

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lmao

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big grunt

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do you have a screenshot of the larger than average grunt? I yearn to see engi dwarfed by a huge bug now

rancid crest Aug 15, 2021, 1:24 PM

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weary sonnet In this case I made the PGL so that it has exactly enough armor damage to have 1...

Was the bottom sentence done using the spawn mod?

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Yes, no point in redoing what already exist.

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 1:30 PM

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how finicky is it to mod and test out random stuff in drg? does it involve lots of editing game files, restarting, resetting the game, orinstalling special mods to enable editing?

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i know source games are easy to mess around with. those have a nice built-in dev console and lots of helpful console commands

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:31 PM

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That’s not the place to talk about that (not before the next update at least).

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 1:33 PM

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ok

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Looks like I have an answer, it seems to count as separate instances, so the opposite of what we were expecting.

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 1:39 PM

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Called it.

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 1:54 PM

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The armor break test in question: 32 direct damage, 32 AoE damage.
That give me more than 100% chance to break the armor on a grunt if it is additive but about 78% if the damage instances are separate.

rancid crest Aug 15, 2021, 2:46 PM

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rancid blade how finicky is it to mod and test out random stuff in drg? does it involve lots ...

There is a server dedicated to this with tools

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Shhh. We dont speak about the M word

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Unless your Mr.B, he's cool

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 3:07 PM

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ok since the dmg instances are separate, do they have an order of happening? is it possible for the area dmg to apply first to break the light armor then the direct dmg to do full dmg (autocannon)?

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i think u found that shotguns (warthog, boomstick) can have some pellets breaking the armor and then the rest doing full dmg

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2021, 3:08 PM

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The direct damage always apply first.

orchid jewel Aug 15, 2021, 3:08 PM

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thats because the shotgun's pellets are all shot seperate as i understand.
I think that the 2 always go in the same order, kinetic (bullet) first and then the AoE (explosive)-

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yeah

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as Ely said

rancid blade Aug 15, 2021, 3:09 PM

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ok :(

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looks like i'll have to use the armor breaking on the ac

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2021, 11:17 PM

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hmmm... this edit claims a bunch of things about deep dives https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_Dives?curid=2231&diff=25355&oldid=23964

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also that you can get 3 mini Mules as primary

burnt sundial Aug 15, 2021, 11:20 PM

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glacial topaz hmmm... this edit claims a bunch of things about deep dives <https://deeprockgal...

those seem to check out though, from what I can tell

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and I'm pretty sure I've seen 3 mules primary though I'm not sure

wicked cave Aug 16, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Yep, 3 mules is possible as primary objective for deep dives. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cvRHDfmBKK8Ggmoga6A3PrlyBaunZpbQhZuy987gGKk/edit (check archive tab for history)

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Excuse me, Fandom, what the everliving [Molly sounds]?

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I had to manually tell AdBlock to eat three page elements before this went away

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I get wanting to make money off the website, but that's a little too egregious

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Oh no it's ugly

night spade Aug 17, 2021, 4:31 PM

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acoustic scarab Excuse me, Fandom, what the everliving ``[Molly sounds]``?

Adding fandom.com##.top-ads-container to your filters should fix this on every Fandom wiki

rancid crest Aug 17, 2021, 4:31 PM

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acoustic scarab Excuse me, Fandom, what the everliving ``[Molly sounds]``?

what browser are you using

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Firefox 91.0

rancid crest Aug 17, 2021, 4:32 PM

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give ublock origin a try, they automatically delete the leftover boxes left behind by blocked ads

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(its also developed by the original developer of the ublock plugin after AdBlock bought it out iirc)

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 4:36 PM

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night spade Adding `fandom.com##.top-ads-container` to your filters should fix this on every...

Worked like a charm, thank you both

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Doesn't fix the narrow page space though. Oh well.

night spade Aug 17, 2021, 4:36 PM

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You're welcome!

night spade Aug 17, 2021, 4:37 PM

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acoustic scarab Doesn't fix the narrow page space though. Oh well.

Look for this button at the top left of any page

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Ah, right. I remember clicking it once, but they seem to have reset it since then

rancid crest Aug 17, 2021, 4:38 PM

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If you expand the page and also block the Popular Pages box the wiki page itself will auto resize to fill in the now free room

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 4:38 PM

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If only the average wiki visitor would learn to do the same

rancid crest Aug 17, 2021, 4:39 PM

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acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Oh, I'm less worried about how it looks for myself and more about how it looks for a typical wiki user who doesn't care enough to fiddle with these settings

night spade Aug 17, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Yeah…

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Also, the poor souls who don't know what an ad blocker is

bold plover Aug 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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I went to a Fandom wiki for Terraria yesterday and it had a ton of ads and the site itself didn't function.

orchid jewel Aug 17, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Cringe nae nae

bold plover Aug 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Are there any values for stuff that we are missing?

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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I'm working on lootbug drop amounts

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But purely with an empiric approach, I just note down how much I get from each one I encounter.

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It won't give me a mathematical answer, but it will give me a statistically accurate one.

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Which I believe is enough for most practical purposes.

bold plover Aug 17, 2021, 9:43 PM

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ChunkCountRange=(X=5.0,Y=15.0)
ChunkValueRange=(X=1.0,Y=2.5)
DamageLootDropChance=0.2
DamageLootDropCooldown=0.5

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I'm assuming the chunks have 50% chance to turn up as Nitra or gold?

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So that's, on average, 10 chunks, each worth 1.75

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Or 8.75 Nitra and 8.75 gold, assuming infinite lootbugs

bold plover Aug 17, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Not sure if it is on the wiki since the last time that I talked about it, but they also multiply what they eat by 1.5, has a 15s cooldown once activated and they search for stuff within 25m.

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 9:53 PM

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they also multiply what they eat by 1.5
That fact is mentioned on the wiki, but not the specific amounts

low hamlet Aug 17, 2021, 9:54 PM

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acoustic scarab Oh, I'm less worried about how it looks for myself and more about how it looks f...

yeah. we can;t even have wide view default

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and the answer from some fandom people on the discord is "gamepedia tables are too wide so that's why it's an option". what

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Yeah, how about you change based on what people put on your wikis, Fandom, not do us a favor by including a layout option that accommodates what's already there

rancid blade Aug 17, 2021, 11:25 PM

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do you know the chances of a chunk dropping from petting/hurting a lootbug

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i remember electrifying a lootbug with the stubby, and they dropped a bunch of chunks from the electric dmg ticks

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also are these drops extra or subtracted from the total in a lootbug

bold plover Aug 18, 2021, 12:20 AM

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Subtracted

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Chance is 20% with half a second cooldown for damage.

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Can only receive loot from petting once per lootbug.

orchid jewel Aug 18, 2021, 12:35 AM

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If it multiplies, theortically given enough time could i culivate one loot bug to make a shit ton of gold?

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2021, 12:40 AM

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if at least you healed it...

bold plover Aug 18, 2021, 12:42 AM

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Yes, it saves the value of the chunk that it eats and multiplies it. Then when it dies, it releases it along with the other things.

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But realistically your best bet is to leave a single chunk with a value of 20 or so.

low hamlet Aug 18, 2021, 1:34 AM

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acoustic scarab Yeah, how about you change based on what people put on your wikis, Fandom, not d...

just change your entire wikis format it isn't that hard

acoustic scarab Aug 19, 2021, 5:48 AM

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Do we know the default rate of pickaxe swings? I couldn't find it on the Pickaxe page.

floral drift Aug 19, 2021, 6:46 AM

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acoustic scarab Do we know the default rate of pickaxe swings? I couldn't find it on the Pickaxe...

I found something called MiningDuration = 0.7, maybe that means it takes 0.7 seconds to hit things? not really sure, tbh

acoustic scarab Aug 19, 2021, 6:59 AM

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That sounds about right

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2021, 6:28 PM

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If mining and hitting critters is the same
Should be fine to check by hitting something with high hp and stationary

bold plover Aug 19, 2021, 6:38 PM

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It is not.

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Precisely
So the actual value is ?

low hamlet Aug 20, 2021, 2:50 AM

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@weary sonnet can u add this to the css?

.theme-fandomdesktop-light img[data-image-key="Logo_GSG_White.png"] {
  filter: invert(1);
}```

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it makes it so the logo exists on light mode on the main page

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bold plover Aug 20, 2021, 5:25 AM

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HitCooldown=10
MiningDuration=0.7
DistanceConsideredSameHit=75

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Found stuff related to Q mining and a mining speed boost, but I don't think that is relevant.

floral drift Aug 20, 2021, 6:00 AM

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bold plover HitCooldown=10 MiningDuration=0.7 DistanceConsideredSameHit=75

yeah, this was the MiningDuration 0.7 that i mentioned up above ^

acoustic scarab Aug 20, 2021, 11:49 AM

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My question rose from wanting to calculate how many hits can be made while hovering (3.5 sec max)

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It looks like the answer is 5 hits

orchid jewel Aug 20, 2021, 11:49 AM

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Roughly, you could probably squeeze in 6 while falling

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Before you hit the ground and your legs go crack

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2021, 12:58 PM

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low hamlet <@!88687704232951808> can u add this to the css? ``` .theme-fandomdesktop-light ...

done, put it next to the rest of the light mode changes in the css.

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2021, 2:29 PM

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recently I discovered the wiki theme I pick is global for all wikis... one wiki works better as dark, and the other as light, lol

low hamlet Aug 20, 2021, 4:31 PM

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weary sonnet done, put it next to the rest of the light mode changes in the css.

thanks!

acoustic scarab Aug 21, 2021, 12:33 PM

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Fandom you piece of shit, can't handle 10KB of text being pasted into the box

orchid jewel Aug 21, 2021, 12:36 PM

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What the hell

acoustic scarab Aug 21, 2021, 12:38 PM

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The code was actually there, it's just that the page took a minute to render it visible

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Firefox just ate a bunch more RAM to do that

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Good job, Fandom

orchid jewel Aug 21, 2021, 12:39 PM

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Amazing. Absolutely incredible

shell frigate Aug 21, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Wonder if it processed the whole thing letter by letter (as if you were typing it)

low hamlet Aug 21, 2021, 1:59 PM

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probably

orchid jewel Aug 21, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Lads how exactly does Turret whip work? like what are the stats of this "overloaded shot"

glacial topaz Aug 21, 2021, 4:10 PM

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?? https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/"Warthog"_Auto_210#Turret_Whip

indigo kindle Aug 21, 2021, 4:11 PM

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What's wrong with this data? Most of this is correct at first glance.

orchid jewel Aug 21, 2021, 4:12 PM

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i usually ask here because its explained in more technical terms or i can ask questions, but thank you, that is what i was looking for

rancid crest Aug 21, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Sconk you ask before even checking the wiki at all?

orchid jewel Aug 21, 2021, 6:27 PM

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its convenient since i can hit my overlay button and ask w/out tabbing out of the game fully and I just enjoy talkin to the guys here.
normally i do just pop open the wiki

summer nest Aug 22, 2021, 2:53 AM

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hello, coming from #drg-chat, i think i found a minor mistake in the wiki

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https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Status_Effects#Acid.2FPoison

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80% damage doesnt seem right unless resistance is programmed to be additive

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Elemental insulation is 30% resistance, Engie's resistance is 50%, therefore the final damage blocked should be of about 65%

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assuming its multipilcative, correct me if im wrong

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2021, 3:06 AM

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oh no... this is really bad -_-
checked the edit history to see who put that in there... and it is someone that always messes up numbers and facts...
so wouldn't be surprised if it is wrong
oh well...

rancid crest Aug 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

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If I remember correctly, there are either one or two exceptions where damage resistance stacks additively. I think it was acid or fall damage or possibly both?

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Everything else is multiplicative though yes

floral drift Aug 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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rancid crest If I remember correctly, there are either one or two exceptions where damage res...

Fall Damage Resistance is additive, yes. That's the only way that Tunnel Rat can give Scout 100% Fall Damage immunity. if it was 0.7 * 0.7 * 0.67 * 0.75 it would be strictly greater than 0, so the Scout would still take fall damage. it has to be 0.3 + 0.3 + 0.33 + 0.25 to match experimental results.

bold plover Aug 22, 2021, 6:20 AM

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The armor upgrade and elemental insulation are additive, so it is 80%.

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Same goes for driller but not for scout and gunner since EI doesn't support those types.

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2021, 9:48 AM

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For the stacking of buff, you can find here how they stacks, it should be the full list:

📎 PawnStats.yml

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For the poison and fall damage in particular the stacking is indeed additive:

PST_FallingResistance:
    Starting value: 0
    Stacking Type: Additive
    Value Modification Type: Multiplicative
PST_PoisonResistance:
    Starting value: 0
    Stacking Type: Additive
    Value Modification Type: Multiplicative```

mystic shell Aug 22, 2021, 10:28 AM

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<@&296918282403840000>

orchid jewel Aug 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Can dotty's health drop into decimals? she hit zero but didnt lose a part. Want to know if its bug or just a rare case

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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It can, what you see is the rounded value.

orchid jewel Aug 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Alrighty, figured such

orchid jewel Aug 22, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Does Spiky Grenade do Weakpoint damage? Damage type is explosive (according to wiki) but Direct damage leads me to believe it could

glacial topaz Aug 23, 2021, 3:14 AM

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does it even make sense to link to something you can't see without an account ??

analog rock Aug 23, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Not really

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It would be better too use the string as reference directly

night spade Aug 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Ah, sorry that was me

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I thought it would be fine, since there was already a citation like that on the page

stark tulip Aug 24, 2021, 12:01 AM

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glacial topaz does it even make sense to link to something you can't see without an account ??

"reqires"

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 12:02 AM

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fandom has a collective IQ of 5 when it comes to running that site

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2021, 2:38 AM

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? ? https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Abyss_Bar?curid=1162&diff=25373&oldid=25361

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 2:39 AM

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I think thats proven, i dont know if its 40 but I know that eventually they begin to despawn

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perhaps Mr.B or Elyth could fact-check?

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or Yoshkin even, he's the one who tracks all sorts of shit right? This would be right up his alley

acoustic scarab Aug 24, 2021, 8:40 AM

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Can anyone confirm? Maybe I dreamt it, I'm not even sure now.
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

indigo kindle Aug 24, 2021, 8:46 AM

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Halloween pumpkins never had a chance to drop Error Cubes.

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I've had a dedicated veteran team smash all pumpkins and report their findings during the Pumpkin-gate last year, they never got a single Error Cube despite clearing out hundreds of pumpkins. Christmas presents, however, do have a small chance to drop Error Cubes.

analog rock Aug 24, 2021, 8:56 AM

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This was confirmed by Ely a while back, the pool for the pumpkins only contains swarmers and lootbugs, not error cubes.

acoustic scarab Aug 24, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Weird. Alright.

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Ooh, right, I misremembered from Christmas

low hamlet Aug 24, 2021, 10:55 AM

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all good :)

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2021, 12:53 PM

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glacial topaz ? ? <https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Abyss_Bar?curid=1162&diff=25373&ol...

how about this mugs limits ? 40 on spacerig floor

bold plover Aug 24, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Might be by normal means but when I spawned them they were able to go indefinitely. I tried to look around at various objects but found nothing regarding it.

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 4:47 PM

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You try running it on different settings? Maybe its something done for lower quality presets so its not 'technically' wrong

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2021, 4:49 PM

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so either no hardcoded limit, or no despawn timer

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doesn't help it is the only edit by that person...
wondering if they just ordered rounds of 4 beverages and kept track

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 7:04 PM

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4 rounds would only be 16 drinks right?

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2021, 7:07 PM

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you will need 10 rounds of 4 if you are aiming at 40 (10 x 4 = 40)

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Regardless, Mr.B said it wasnt a thing. We should probably remove it until someone can find supporting evidence

bold plover Aug 24, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Well, it could be true as I don't know for certain.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2021, 7:14 PM

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nothing stops the thing from beinga added again

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 9:11 PM

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orchid jewel Does Spiky Grenade do Weakpoint damage? Damage type is explosive (according to w...

nobody ever responded to this either

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2021, 9:24 PM

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orchid jewel nobody ever responded to this either

The single target damage part benefit from weakpoint.

orchid jewel Aug 24, 2021, 9:24 PM

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nice
it does you say?

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hyper propellant pog

floral drift Aug 25, 2021, 5:50 AM

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i just tested. i was able to spawn 44 mugs in Space Rig as client, so that "40 max before despawn" is incorrect

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as in, i ordered 11 rounds of 4 mugs

acoustic scarab Aug 25, 2021, 6:52 AM

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Hops well spent

glacial topaz Aug 25, 2021, 3:23 PM

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experimental exists UwU
considering 1- no bug was fixed 2-suddenly they didn't decide to create a limit

orchid jewel Aug 25, 2021, 10:59 PM

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#suggestion-discussion message
According to Avery the Mineral mania wiki page is wrong

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figured i would bring this up with you lads to see about fixing it

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though upon looking at the page, I would say otherwise. given the "can vary quite a bit from random cave gen" addon

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and they seem to be complaining that they find more nitra and gold and thats what makes it wrong? i dont even-

glacial topaz Aug 25, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Meh, nothing to worry about
Unless there is something very specific to point out

bold plover Aug 25, 2021, 11:49 PM

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I have the stats for the mission modifiers if they are needed.

orchid jewel Aug 25, 2021, 11:50 PM

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It would be good to add, ideally

glacial topaz Aug 25, 2021, 11:54 PM

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are you sure about how the modifiers are used ?

floral drift Aug 26, 2021, 1:42 AM

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i just ran a test on a 3/3 Escort Duty mission in REZ, with Mineral Mania and Low O2. spent an hour exploring and mining every last bit of nitra (without killing any lootbugs), and got 698. my "rule of thumb" is (length + complexity + 1) resupplies per mission, so i would expect (3 + 3 + 1) * 80 = 560 nitra. so, it was 25% more nitra than expected, but that's nowhere near Mineral Mania's 2x modifier. in conclusion, from this one test Mineral Mania doesn't seem to affect nitra generation.

floral drift Aug 26, 2021, 6:33 AM

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test #2: 3/3 Elimination in Crystal, Mineral Mania + Lethal Enemies

just speedran with Scout, got 487 nitra with no lootbugs. after killing all lootbugs in the map, i ended up with 524 nitra (a little less than my rule of thumb would lead me to expect).

at this point, i'm not going to do any more tests. these two missions have convinced me that Mineral Mania doesn't affect nitra generation.

trail gust Aug 26, 2021, 11:30 AM

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acoustic scarab Aug 26, 2021, 11:41 AM

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Something broke an image alignment property, it seems

low hamlet Aug 26, 2021, 11:46 AM

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fandom go brrr

floral drift Aug 26, 2021, 9:13 PM

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when trying to view File:Icon_Upgrade_Ammo.png i get redirected to the Bosco page. on Gamepedia i was able to see that file as well as its history. i'm looking for an older version of the Max Ammo icon that got repurposed on ||Hurricane's T5.C||.

austere fossil Aug 26, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Looks like all the File:XXX pages redirect somewhere

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Angle goes to the Zipline Launcher, Area Damage goes to the Satchel

floral drift Aug 26, 2021, 9:18 PM

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sounds like they're redirecting to the first page that used them?

austere fossil Aug 26, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Or something, https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_Rock_Galactic_Wiki?file=Icon+Upgrade+DamageMelee.png does something a little different

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

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Not more helpfully different, but different

austere fossil Aug 26, 2021, 9:24 PM

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floral drift sounds like they're redirecting to the first page that used them?

Hmm, upon further investigation I think it is this, but "first" alphabetically since several seem to go to Bosco which is titled APD-B317 and ones I think are unused do what that one I linked does.

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Side note, in trying to test this idea I just put a into the search box to see what the suggested pages would be and...

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Really Fandom?

orchid jewel Aug 26, 2021, 9:27 PM

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my favorite DRG link!

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Amazon!

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cant believe they got sponsored

austere fossil Aug 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Ok, maybe not always alphabetically since File:Apoca bloom icon.png redirects to Resources. https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/File%3AApoca_bloom_icon.png

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

File%3AApoca_bloom_icon.png

Resources - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

low hamlet Aug 26, 2021, 10:14 PM

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austere fossil Side note, in trying to test this idea I just put `a` into the search box to see...

bruh

rancid crest Aug 26, 2021, 10:56 PM

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why is that file labelled apoca bloom but the preview image is bismor

orchid jewel Aug 26, 2021, 10:57 PM

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because it redirects to resources

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and the embed is reflecting that redirect

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:10 AM

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i'm finally getting around to editing the Drills' article tonight. when i'm done, i think someone like @low hamlet or @glacial topaz should review the edit and maybe help with wording or formatting. i'm adding a few new sections and paragraphs, and i'm worried that it might disrupt the intended display format.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:12 AM

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floral drift i'm finally getting around to editing the Drills' article tonight. when i'm done...

ok, all of the new information has been added to the Drills' article. it's a pretty major edit, so i strongly recommend that someone peer-review it: https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Reinforced_Power_Drills

bold plover Aug 27, 2021, 6:27 AM

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Some base stats:

  BlockParticlesScaleFP=1.000000
  BlockParticlesScaleTP=1.500000
  MovementPenalty=0.500000
  MiningRate=1.500000
  HeatReductionPerKill=0.000000
  CarveSize=(X=150.000000,Y=200.000000,Z=220.000000)
  CarveNoise=0.100000
  CarverRayCastLength=150.000000
  CarveTerrainDistanceCheck=250.000000
  DamageDistance=125.000000
  DamageRadius=100.000000
  FriendlyDamageRadius=10.000000
  DamageRate=8.000000
  Damage=8.000000
  ArmorDamageMultiplier=1.000000
  friendlyFireModifier=0.100000
  MaxFuel=38.000000
  Fuel=0.000000
  FuelUsePerDig=0.250000
  FuelUsePerMelee=0.200000
  SupplyStatusWeight=1.000000
  DrillParticlesDuration=0.500000```

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The mining speed upgrade is a 75% increase from what I see, which is strange.
Not sure what all is new info but so far things check out.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 8:30 AM

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bold plover The mining speed upgrade is a 75% increase from what I see, which is strange. No...

Mining Speed upgrades are +50% each, for a total of +100% 1.5 -> 3.0 (1.5 + 0.75 + 0.75). i did most of the discovery and documentation here: https://karl.gg/blog/24

and now i'm just moving that info into the Wiki article

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Damage=8.000000
this is one of the cases where the gamefiles don't use the in-game value. in-game they do 5 damage, or 10 with Barbed. Elyth and i both tested to confirm.

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CarveTerrainDistanceCheck=250.000000
This is useful -- according to the Laser Pointer it's a 2m check horizontally, so now we know that the Laser Pointer has a 0.5m offset when looking horizontally at something.

low hamlet Aug 27, 2021, 11:00 AM

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floral drift i'm finally getting around to editing the Drills' article tonight. when i'm done...

i can do that (but it'll be a little. ill have to do it in the late afternoon)
whoever gets to it first i guess

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 12:45 PM

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floral drift ok, all of the new information has been added to the Drills' article. it's a pre...

A lot to fix on the text, including
-not having suggestions, tips and strategy (that is for the strat page)
-making the text more clear and shorter
also the jam part is odd because I have often reached 100% with no jam but text says it jams when you reach 100%, if it is rounding stuff it probably needs some mention

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 12:46 PM

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They dont mention Dotty's health rounding do they?

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 12:52 PM

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which?
"The Reinforced Power Drills is a Support Tool used by the Driller." or
"The Reinforced Power Drills are Support Tools used by the Driller."
the current version is
"The Reinforced Power Drills are a Support Tool used by the Driller."
which is odd

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 1:34 PM

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"the Reinforced Power Drills is a Support tool used by the Driller" seems fine

wary cove Aug 27, 2021, 1:35 PM

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The Reinforced Power Drills are the Driller's Support Tool.

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Although that's not correct, as the drills are a mobility tool.

analog rock Aug 27, 2021, 1:48 PM

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glacial topaz which? "The **Reinforced Power Drills** is a Support Tool used by the Driller." ...

None, the driller's support tool is the detpack

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Plural and Singular issues

analog rock Aug 27, 2021, 1:49 PM

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The best form would be Tater's, as the others would imply that there are other support tools for the driller to use.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Hollow bough
"*Its deep dive description states that this is the biome where we lost Karl"
any true ?

analog rock Aug 27, 2021, 1:53 PM

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glacial topaz Hollow bough "*Its deep dive description states that this is the biome where we ...

gimme 5

wary cove Aug 27, 2021, 1:53 PM

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I'm gonna preemptively say that's some bs but idk

analog rock Aug 27, 2021, 1:54 PM

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False

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 1:57 PM

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where text interpretation

analog rock Aug 27, 2021, 1:58 PM

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It's one of the texts that show in the deep dive terminal, nothing more or less to it.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Planning to do the Drill editing
But, no need to wait
do edit it based on my feedback to improve the page
though some stuff should be easier done than explained

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 4:53 PM

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glacial topaz Hollow bough "*Its deep dive description states that this is the biome where we ...

Id say word this as "According to the Deep Dive descriptions this is similar to the place we lost Karl." Its a bit of trivia rhat shouldnt be skimped on imo

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 4:54 PM

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way too generic
and says more about the place than about karl

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:20 PM

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glacial topaz which? "The **Reinforced Power Drills** is a Support Tool used by the Driller." ...

in the sentence "The Reinforced Power Drills are a Support Tool used by the Driller", the subject is Drill, the verb is the third person form of be, and the subject complement is Tool. to make plurality match, it should be either Drill-is-Tool or Drills-are-Tools 🤔

so, probably the middle one: "The Reinforced Power Drills are Support Tools used by the Driller"

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:23 PM

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glacial topaz A lot to fix on the text, including -not having suggestions, tips and strategy (...

i was not aware that Drills had a strat page, sorry. i just saw all the tips in the article that i was editing and tried to move them into a better format.
text can be more clear or shorter. this kind of stuff kind of requires verbosity.
it is possible to reach 100% on the Heat Meter without overheating due to the Drills' Heat Curve. however, it is not possible to reach 5.5 Heat without overheating. i tried to place emphasis on the 5.5 Heat -> Overheat in the article, and then mentioned that the Heat Meter displays in % mode

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:26 PM

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so gotta point out that 100% is not 5.5
current text can be shorter just fine, and be even more clear
"the quality of using more words than needed" if it is more than needed you are overdoing it

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Do we know the step size for the Drill's heat value, if it has one?

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Cause 5.4725 heat (99.5%) would round up to 100% on the display

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As long as the heat value has at least 0.02 granularity, you can round up to 100% on the display before 5.5 heat. Probably just need to mention the % is rounded.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:32 PM

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this is the Drills' Heat Curve from the game editor that Dagadegatto sent to me: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710908301227065395/874618726677381130/unknown.png

it seems like the Drills' Heat Meter is using a ceil() function, so anything greater than 99.0000001 Heat on the Heat Curve would display as 100%. if that's the case, then Heat of 5.4 or so could display as 100% even though it doesn't Overheat

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:34 PM

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So this is Heat => Displayed %?

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:35 PM

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now that is good
almost thought heat gain wasn't linear

trail gust Aug 27, 2021, 5:35 PM

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yep, I was getting 100% quite often

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just need to feel the trigger to stop drilling accurately at 100%

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:37 PM

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austere fossil So this is `Heat => Displayed %`?

yes. Heat is the x-axis going from 0-5.5 and the Display Number is the y-axis going from 0-100.

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:38 PM

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huh, feels a bit weird it's not just Heat/5.5 but they probably have some reason

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:39 PM

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seeing 99.37% on meter wouldn't be needed

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working on page now

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:40 PM

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You'd still round it to the nearest %. It's the curve not being a straight line that's the odd part to me.

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It looks like the curve goes through (1,10), which means when the Drills say 10%, you're actually at 1/5.5=~18%

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:42 PM

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what is the actual formula then, if it is not simply ceil

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:43 PM

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glacial topaz what is the actual formula then, if it is not simply ceil

you're conflating two different concepts. the Heat Curve is what converts the [0, 5.5] to [0, 100]. then the in-game model will round that output number up to the nearest integer for display on the right drill. so the only formula is HeatCurve(Heat), and then that output gets truncated by the model

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:45 PM

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also it says 1 heat per second, 2 heats for cooling
what is the rate per second of heating - cooling ?

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Similarly it looks to be going through (5/97.5), which means when the Drills say 98%, you're actually only at 5/5.5=~91%.

It's just odd that it under-reports at low heat and over-reports at high heat.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:47 PM

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well...
I would guess it is to keep you safe
and avoid players overjamming

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:48 PM

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It would probably make it easier to time releasing just as you reach 100%.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:52 PM

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after the overheat is over, do you have to wait for it to go from 100% to 0%
or ?

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Yes

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 5:53 PM

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From memory of in-game, it does the 100% to 0% during the 8s overheat.

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Not sure if it's reversing through that Heat curve or just doing a linear 100 -> 0

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(my guess would be reversing through the heat curve)

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:54 PM

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been some time
so don't remember if it left me at 0% right after jam is over

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:56 PM

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glacial topaz also it says 1 heat per second, 2 heats for cooling what is the rate per second ...

this case doesn't apply. Drills only gain heat when the trigger is held down, and only cool when the trigger is released before Overheat. at no point is Heating (+1 Heat/sec) active at the same time as Cooling (-2 Heat/sec)

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just like the Minigun, and unlike the EPC

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 5:57 PM

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never said the thing worked together
or that I asked because on how they interacted

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 5:58 PM

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what is the rate per second of heating - cooling ?
could you rephrase this question, then? i interpreted it as "what is the Heat accumulation rate when it is both heating and cooling?"

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:00 PM

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of heating
and of cooling , is it different for each ? e.g. heating being every 10 ticks, and cooling every 5 ticks

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Ah, the update rate

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:02 PM

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🤔 i don't know. i imagine it's just the game's universal tickrate of like 50 or 60 ticks/sec.

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so the cumulative effect is +1 Heat/sec and -2 Heat/sec, but i don't know how frequently that gets updated.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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being that fast it shouldn't matter much
though info is always fun

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Back to page editing, the Powerdrills in the second paragraph should probably be two words, or just Drills.

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Oh, and the last sentence of the first paragraph has a drills when specifically referencing the Drills.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:06 PM

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:S don't do that
I am on it

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:06 PM

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yeah, that's why I mentioned it instead of just doing it

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:10 PM

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austere fossil Back to page editing, the `Powerdrills` in the second paragraph should probably ...

this was a typo in the page before i edited it. it was outside the section i was creating, so i let it be

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:16 PM

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is the fuel unit really liters ?

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Judging by the model in-game, yes. I don't think it's specified anywhere else, though.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:19 PM

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glacial topaz is the fuel unit really liters ?

yes. as you can see in Banagement's message above, the internal variables are just MaxFuel and Fuel (for the current value), but the left drill shows L on the Fuel Gauge. given that the other measurements use meters, it is logical to conclude that the L stands for "liters" because that's the metric system measurement of volume

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:20 PM

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loters

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Lots of gallons

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:21 PM

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liquids

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I build by drills to have 44 liquids of fuel

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:22 PM

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is there anything else that should be discussed regarding the Reinforced Power Drills wiki page?

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:24 PM

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still reading and changing stuff
when I notice something I want to check
I mention it

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

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It doesn't mention the slope of the carves match your view angle.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:28 PM

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austere fossil It doesn't mention the slope of the carves match your view angle.

i'm uncertain if that's actually the case, though. from my observations, it seems that if you're looking <= 45 degrees up/down then the chunk of terrain carved is still vertical, but placed higher up. only when your aim surpasses 45 will it switch the chunk to be horizontal.

it doesn't seem to carve terrain chunks diagonally

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:28 PM

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at combat section now

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:29 PM

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I'm constantly using the drills to smooth out slopes

rancid crest Aug 27, 2021, 6:31 PM

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for Supercooling Chamber, how is the x0.6 focus speed applied? Eg is it a x0.6 multiplier applied to the m1k's base 1.6 focus speed?

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:31 PM

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rancid crest for Supercooling Chamber, how is the x0.6 focus speed applied? Eg is it a x0.6 m...

1 / (Focus Speed * 0.6)

rancid crest Aug 27, 2021, 6:32 PM

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so 1.04s focus time by default?

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:32 PM

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On a naturally generated slope with protrusions, try to carve it while looking at the same angle as the slope

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:33 PM

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rancid crest so 1.04s focus time by default?

1/1.6 = 0.625s with no mods

rancid crest Aug 27, 2021, 6:33 PM

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meant with supercooling

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:33 PM

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rancid crest meant with supercooling

by default?
strange way to specify with Supercooling...

rancid crest Aug 27, 2021, 6:33 PM

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I'm not awake right now EngineerApproved

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also that was meant to be a correction to my question

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:34 PM

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yes, with Supercooling the charge time is 1.04166666.... seconds

rancid crest Aug 27, 2021, 6:34 PM

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that is annoyingly long ok

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:34 PM

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maybe a technically correct, if easily misinterpreted, way to specify "supercooling with no mods"

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 6:35 PM

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righ right
I just posted by review of drills
feel free to work more on it

rancid crest Aug 27, 2021, 6:35 PM

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nah wasn't a technically correct, I asked a completely different question than what I wanted to ask

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:36 PM

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austere fossil Oh, and the last sentence of the first paragraph has a `drills` when specificall...

This is still there

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...while the drills spin...
Shouldn't that be Drills?

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or is that drills referring to just the heads of them?

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:38 PM

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austere fossil or is that `drills` referring to just the heads of them?

i could see it going either way

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:38 PM

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The rate in Mining rate in the stats box should be capitalized to match the rest of the ___ Rates

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:43 PM

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glacial topaz righ right I just posted by review of drills feel free to work more on it

the most constructive way to phrase my feedback: i would not have edited the page the same way.

first paragraph of the Mechanics section was changed from a set of distinct sentences into one run-on sentence 😦

is there enough content in the Combat subsection to qualify being a subsection?

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Is switch between the Mining and Combat modes instantaneous? Or are they sort of concurrent?

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Meaning at base, if I'm drilling a Praet and it dies, do I have 0.66s to get in range of another bug before the first Mining mode tick occurs and uses 0.25L of fuel?

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:48 PM

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austere fossil Is switch between the Mining and Combat modes instantaneous? Or are they sort of...

they're technically concurrent. the only thing that switches between them is what the Drills are in contact with.

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Or does it matter how long I was drilling an enemy before it died?

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:48 PM

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austere fossil Or does it matter how long I was drilling an enemy before it died?

could you phrase that a little differently? not sure what you're asking

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:49 PM

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So if I start drilling a bug and then aim away after 0.5s, is the first Mining tick 0.16s later or 0.66s later?

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:50 PM

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🤔 i don't know. i haven't done any kind of test like that.

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 6:51 PM

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If they run concurrently and Combat mode just overrides/cancels the Mining ticks when in contact with an enemy it'd be 0.16s later.

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It'd also imply that you could squeeze a few Combat mode ticks inbetween each Mining tick.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 6:59 PM

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@austere fossil @glacial topaz are either of you editing the Drills page currently? if not, i'll fix those typos that Trigger mentioned

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 7:00 PM

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"feel free to work more on it"
so not anymore

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 7:02 PM

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floral drift <@!126581783063035905> <@!108637623139995648> are either of you editing the Dril...

No, not currently editing it.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 7:11 PM

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done editing; capitalized R in Mining Rate in stats, separated Powerdrills into Power Drills, added an Oxford Comma in Mining subsection, and helped the flow of Mining's first sentence.

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Eh, feels a bit weird referring to them as both Power Drills and just Drills, at least within the same paragraph.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 7:20 PM

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it's your turn to edit the page 😆

low hamlet Aug 27, 2021, 7:22 PM

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chop chop

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 7:22 PM

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This is quite a sentence (or 3)

While the [FIRE] key ("Left Mouse Click" by default) is held down, the Drills gain 1 Heat per second, while idle they lose 2 Heat per second, and if the Max Heat (5.5) is reached they will stop working for 8 seconds before returning to 0 Heat.

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 7:23 PM

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when i wrote it originally, it was 4 sentences. :/

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I'm thinking of turning that first sentence into:

The Drills gain 1 Heat per second while the [FIRE] key ("Left Mouse Click" by default) is held down and lose 2 Heat per second while idle. At the Max Heat of 5.5 they will overheat and become inoperable for 8s while they slowly return to 0 Heat.

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Maybe include that Heat to % graph in a link or expandable element for those curious as to what the "not linear correlation" is? Maybe include it towards the bottom and link to that section from the original mention?

floral drift Aug 27, 2021, 7:41 PM

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i'm inclined to not put Heat Curves on the wiki, both for Minigun and Drills. i only added the Spread Curves in the Accuracy article because they were required for a full, technical explanation

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Imo, they dont belong except a mention in like, a notes thing at the bottom. Some may be interested, but most players arent gonna care that it rounds the number or whateves

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 7:43 PM

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I guess just an explanation/mention that the % is an underestimate at low heat and an overestimate at high heat would be enough.

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and that the % strictly rounds up.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 7:46 PM

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was that just about using periods instead of ", and"

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size stayed the same with the rewording

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good job

austere fossil Aug 27, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Yes, the repeated ", and"s make it a run-on sentence that reads/flows poorly.

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 7:53 PM

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oh well

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was so worried about simplicity that I over looked periods

bold plover Aug 27, 2021, 8:57 PM

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austere fossil So if I start drilling a bug and then aim away after 0.5s, is the first Mining t...

I think that I have that info, I only posted what I thought was useful.

reef perch Aug 27, 2021, 11:21 PM

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Can someone please fix the dreadnought twins stats card, only about half of the card is seen and the other half is hidden behind the page

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 11:27 PM

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reef perch Can someone please fix the dreadnought twins stats card, only about half of the ...

thats not something we can fix, its a fandom thing

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actually, can we fix this? what the hell is this?

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expanding it does nothing

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didnt we already fix this?

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it appears fine on the edit page Sconk

glacial topaz Aug 27, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Using Sandbox might be the way to test it without messing with the page

orchid jewel Aug 27, 2021, 11:31 PM

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I'll try and fix it, but my wiki skills are..

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blegh, at best. So if someone knows how to fix it proper feel free

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could it be an issue with the template?

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it is(n't?)

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The tabs dont show up either, how strange

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Elythnwaen was working on this earlier according to the Revisions,
Revision as of 15:48, 26 July 2021 Elythnwaen4628 (Testing if tabber is the reason why the infobox doesn’t display properly.)

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in this revision its working fine

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in this one its broken

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one is missing the 2 extra tabs, obviously

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Should I revert to the one thats at least displaying the infobox properly?

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it does look like the front/top/back tabs are the issue, when they where removed the Infobox displays properly, but with them it shits itself

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could this be fixed by doing something (unusal) for the time being and including their armor shit in the gallery section instead?

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god you guys do this shit daily huh? fuck

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it looks like this might be our issue with our tabber. something tells me its not supposed to be garbage like this

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and these overlap in the edit mode for some reason

reef perch Aug 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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that sounds like a shit show and i don't even make any articles

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:19 AM

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orchid jewel god you guys do this shit daily huh? fuck

not in visual edit dderp

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it's significantly less trash in source

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:20 AM

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orchid jewel and these overlap in the edit mode for some reason

it's fandom doing shit without releasing patch notes

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they moved a ton of css formatting crap to themedesigner and totally fcked over a bunch of my css styling

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and i won't know what's screwed until i see it

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:22 AM

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ah, glad im not just crazay

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:23 AM

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yeah no it's for me as well

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i forgot how to change to visual editor

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:23 AM

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oh loord

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:23 AM

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oh, there it is

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tabber is apparently screwed up

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all of this should be affecting the page

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but it's not?????

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:25 AM

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see???

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what the fuck??

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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im pretty sure it's only for that tabber

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also i just realized that there just isnt a box weight on the left side

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?????

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from what im seeing here, it should be there

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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try applying it?

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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it's applied

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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wish I could help more, I desire to actually be of aid besides asking dumb questions lmao

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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those are styles for that selector

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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I see

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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orchid jewel wish I could help more, I desire to actually be of aid besides asking dumb quest...

lol it's fine

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if you want to get started just start editing the wiki in source

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then youll start getting used to the html and getting a bit of exposure to css styling

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literally ive learned what i know just coding here lol

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:36 AM

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oh i do use source, im versed in lots of coding languages from game modding

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its more that you lads do such a good job its not often I can actually edit anything (see my 1 edit on the CRPSR page lmao)

weary sonnet Aug 28, 2021, 9:38 AM

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I tried to understand how the tabber thing worked in fandom, from what I see my guess is that you can only have nested tabber tabs (one for creature tabs, one for the umodel view) if you use different syntax for them, which is a real pain to do with the templates (since if you go that way you can’t rename the higher level tabs using a variable) and wasn’t needed on gamepedia.

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 12:51 PM

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ooh

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that makes sense

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so you used the same classes?

weary sonnet Aug 28, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Trying to find a way to make it work on fandom, for now we have 3 nested tabber on our creature infobox, maybe it could work if we write it differently or limit it to two.

orchid jewel Aug 28, 2021, 1:05 PM

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Id say limit it to two, But im not too sure myself

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fandom makes my head hurt

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 2:27 PM

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craggy wraith Aug 28, 2021, 3:13 PM

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I think taking out the attacks would be fair, but having the armor images there seems to work well

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 3:23 PM

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yeah

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there's a bit of "noooo you can't use infoboxes for that!!1" going on i think

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it works and has worked fine

craggy wraith Aug 28, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Yeah

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Well if you increase the width of the alignment box there's just a shit ton of extra space in the table rows for some reason

tiny wedge Aug 28, 2021, 6:41 PM

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does the 100 solo missions achievement require just not having a joiner or explicitly playing on Solo mode?

low hamlet Aug 28, 2021, 6:44 PM

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you have to play on solo mode

tiny wedge Aug 28, 2021, 6:46 PM

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arighty thanks

craggy wraith Aug 28, 2021, 6:47 PM

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I have no idea what could be causing that and why only on that page lol

trail gust Aug 29, 2021, 8:14 AM

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orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 12:39 PM

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dderp

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 1:18 PM

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hahaha fandom! you are breaking my wiki page!

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 1:45 PM

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bruh wtf

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probably another change they did without announcing it

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remember how gp would release those patch notes? fandom doesn't. fun

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ill try to fix it rq

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 2:35 PM

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im working on it rn but this'll make some good trivia

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565850434376302613/881402230706688070/Deep_Rock_Galactic_2021.08.29_-_03.23.20.06.mp4

▶ Play video

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op: #drg-gallery message

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alright. fixed

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also fixing this weirdness

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tf

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i probably have to look at the other collapsibles ive made

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Turtle out here taking names

acoustic scarab Aug 29, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Ok so I figured out why pasting a big chunk of pipe tables takes such a long time

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I wrote a tool in Excel that converts a regular spreadsheet into the wiki-formatted pipe table, ready to be copy-pasted

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When copy-pasted directly from Excel onto the source code page, Fandom adds three line breaks after each line

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:11 PM

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dstare it does what?

acoustic scarab Aug 29, 2021, 3:11 PM

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So my 3700 lines suddenly become 14800 lines, which, understandably, it takes a long time to process

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The current workaround is to copy-paste from Excel into Notepad, then from Notepad into the browser

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Hey lads?

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On the Source for the uh, GD-Twins, Why is there a blank on shell=

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and why does it differ from the Bulk Detonators source?

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`{{stub}}

{{Creature Infobox
| v1TabName = Common
| name = Glyphid Bulk Detonator
| v1Image = Glyphid Bulk Detonator.png
| species = Glyphid
| v1Biome = All
| category = Disruptive Enemy
| health = 4000
| v1Attack = Hellfire Final Blow Cluster Bombs Dig
| immunity = Stun
| v1Resistance = Explosive: 50%
| weakpoint = Bulbs: ×3
| v1BurnTemperature = 60
| v1DouseFireTemperature = 30
| v1CoolingRate = 10
| v1FreezeTemperature = -490
| v1UnfreezeTemperature = -200
| v1WarmingRate = 300
| umodelTab1 = Front
| umodelView1 = Glyphid Bulk Detonator Umodel Front.png
| umodelTab2 = Top
| umodelView2 = Glyphid Bulk Detonator Umodel Top.png
| umodelTab3 = Back
| umodelView3 = Glyphid Bulk Detonator Umodel Back.png
| umodelCaption = Weakpoint
}}`

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{{Creature Infobox | v1TabName = Common | name = Glyphid Dreadnought Twins | v1Image = Dreadnought Twins.png | species = Glyphid | v1Biome = All | category = Boss Enemy | health = 4500 | shell = | v1Attack = '''Lacerator''': Flame Breath Rock Wave Burrow '''Arbalest''': Explosive Barrage Fireball Fan '''Both''': Armor Regeneration | armor = Heavy | immunity = Unknown | v1Resistance = Fire: 40% Frost: 10% Electricity: 50% Explosive: 30% | weakpoint = Back: ×1 | v1BurnTemperature = 1000 | v1DouseFireTemperature = 100 | v1CoolingRate = 30 | v1FreezeTemperature = -490 | v1UnfreezeTemperature = -100 | v1WarmingRate = 520 | umodelTab1 = Top (Arbalest) | umodelView1 = Dreadnought Arbalest Umodel Top.png | umodelTab2 = Back (Arbalest) | umodelView2 = Dreadnought Arbalest Umodel Back.png | umodelTab3 = Top (Lacerator) | umodelView3 = Dreadnought Lacerator Umodel Top.png | umodelTab4 = Back (Lacerator) | umodelView4 = Dreadnought Lacerator Umodel Back.png | umodelCaption = Heavy Armor }}

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theres also a Space between the }} and the quote, could that be bugging it?

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:15 PM

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yes

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:15 PM

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should I try fixing that then and see if that works?

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:15 PM

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what would be bugging it is the space at the top braces tho

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the line break wouldn't do anything i don't think

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:15 PM

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theres also a random | bar on the GD Twins?

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wtf?

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im gonna try this fix, otherwise i'll revert it to the last change

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hahah, it didnt do shit 😎

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:17 PM

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lol

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all good

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:17 PM

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This is makin my head hurt somethin fierce

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also why is the bulk Det marked as a stub?

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:18 PM

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i dont know

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you can get rid of that

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Will do

acoustic scarab Aug 29, 2021, 3:19 PM

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I can hear my PC fan picking up speed whenever I'm pasting text into the editor

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Yoshkin kills his PC via fandom editting

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im going to continue to compare The GD-Twins and the Bulk det source

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see if I can find anything that might be bugging this info box in particular

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:21 PM

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tf

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:21 PM

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orchid jewel On the Source for the uh, GD-Twins, Why is there a blank on `shell= `

the only thing I find different is this, its just a blank value

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what the fuck?

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| v1Attack= '''Lacerator''': Flame Breath Rock Wave Burrow '''Arbalest''': Explosive Barrage Fireball Fan '''Both''': Armor Regeneration

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| v1Attack= Hellfire Final Blow Cluster Bombs Dig

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again, strange things that differ for no difference?

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is the ''' a format thing?

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:24 PM

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yeah it bolds stuff when you wrap it in those

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Ah, yeah, I see that now

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assuming is to make it go down a line too, alright

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:26 PM

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yeah

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:26 PM

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do you think its like, the fourth tab?

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the Bulk det also has 3, and it works fine

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the format and content is almost the same

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:27 PM

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orchid jewel do you think its like, the fourth tab?

probably

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:27 PM

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I'm gonna see if deleting that blank spot did anything

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if not, I'll try removing the tab

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:29 PM

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removing the blank spot wont do anything. removing the tab will probably tho

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:29 PM

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It didnt

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I removed the Back Lacerator tab, and the half cut off thing remained

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Readded it, of course.

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and found an issue

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again.

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it seems all the elite pages have some strange blank there

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:33 PM

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those are screwed as well yeah

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:33 PM

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we cant get a break can we? always something

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:34 PM

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also notice that there's no left border

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:34 PM

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orchid jewel we cant get a break can we? always something

welcome to fandom not releasing patch notes

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:35 PM

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You think the update broke all the borders for those tabs?

weary sonnet Aug 29, 2021, 3:35 PM

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If the test templates for the creatures infobox are good enough, we can use theses to replace the bugged one.

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:35 PM

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orchid jewel You think the update broke all the borders for those tabs?

i think something they did screwed it up yeah

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Im betting its our same issue with the Dreadnoughts, maybe a little different since that ones a different infobox(?)

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:37 PM

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same issue

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it's wiki-wide something with the base templates

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go look at the template pages it's screwed up on there as well

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 3:44 PM

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good lord

acoustic scarab Aug 29, 2021, 3:45 PM

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I pity the community support staff that had the bad luck of being employed during the Fandom-Gamepedia merge

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They get to soak up all the negativity

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 3:47 PM

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well deserved negativity but not towards them

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the merge has been really trash for everyone lol

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they definitely didn't deserve to get all the negativity aimed towards them tho

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also question: im not sure about this yet, but do we want to make an update 34.5 page?

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I feel we should, just to clarify what it like

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is

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and I imagine even though its focused on adding mod support some fixes will roll out with

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 4:01 PM

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yeah

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we'll probably want to add a modding page as well

orchid jewel Aug 29, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Of course

bold plover Aug 29, 2021, 4:34 PM

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The more public experimental build for it is set to come out this week.

low hamlet Aug 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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yep

acoustic scarab Aug 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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If 35 is as big as the devs say, it might be better to keep 34.5 stuff off of its page

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A case could be made that, since it was supposed to ship with 34 and that it's called 34.5, it should be added to the page for update 34