wiki-related-chatroom

[echo parrot]

Thanks that's what I was thinking

https://tenor.com/view/technically-mitchcutty-kevinmcgarry-heartland-gif-21999281

[sterile crescent]

Well, it does, at least from a DPS perspective

[glacial topaz]

wait, what kind of answer though
like, mods that increase damage value usuals says "+X Damage"

[bold plover]

So, I made a temporary buff that was -0.75 poison resistance, a Praetorian Acid Spray went from 14 damage to 35 per tick on hazard 5 without any resistances. Engineer with armor effect and perk was 24 a tick.

[short cloud]

that math doesn't add up indeed

[glacial topaz]

try with another value so we have 2 data points ?

[bold plover]

It is from one of my mods but I completely forgot about the doubling system.

Acid Spitter DoT was unaffected and stayed at 7.

🤔

Even on Engineer.

[glacial topaz]

14 x 0.75 = 10.5
14 + 10.5 + 10.5 = 35

[sterile crescent]

^ that explains it

What a weird system tho

[glacial topaz]

wonder how it looks for 1.75, 0.75 and 0

wait is 1 or 0 the no resistances one

[sterile crescent]

I think 0 is no resistance or buff

Since 14 + (0*14) = 14

[bold plover]

0 is no resist.

1 is immunity.

Unless general damage reduction, then it is inversed. 1 is no resist and 0 is immunity.

[sterile crescent]

The 24 damage is weird though: trying to work through it now

[bold plover]

That is with his armor effect and elemental insulation.

[sterile crescent]

Yeah, which is 0.5 resist correct?

[bold plover]

I don't understand why the Acid Spitter DoT is unaffected though . .

7 on perkless gunner, 7 on super resist engineer.

[sterile crescent]

Yeah, very strange

[bold plover]

50% on armor, 30% from perk.

[sterile crescent]

That results in 7 * (1.75 - 0.8) = 6.65 damage in theory

Which, if you're using the damage mod, should be what you see

As 6.7

*damage numbers

[bold plover]

I just looked at the Acid Spitter DoT and it was changed to unlisted damage type apparently.

[sterile crescent]

If you're using the view HP mod, then it would get rounded up to 7, at least at first glance

Oh

Welp

[bold plover]

Yeah the asset doesn't even reference a damage type anymore.

Just the pawn affliction for poison which is visual stuff.

[sterile crescent]

Yeah, and the status deals (at base) 2.5 poison damage every 0.5s-1s for 2s total

At least according to Sento's Big Status Table™️

STE_Spider_Shooter_Acid is the name of the status effect

[bold plover]

Yes.

[echo parrot]

welp Im back with another failed search... the heck?

[sterile crescent]

Oh, you are referring to that; sorry

@trail gust something for you to look into when you get back, and potentially update the table

STE_Spider_Shooter_Acid dealing untyped data, that is

[bold plover]

what about it?

[echo parrot]

does this mean something?

[bold plover]

Information.

[echo parrot]

I've checked what terminals i can find and can't find anything

[bold plover]

Just a widget decoration.

[echo parrot]

f, lol

[sterile crescent]

Was the damage dealt to the engineer with just his armor resist, or the perk as well?

[bold plover]

both at once

[sterile crescent]

I think its literally just a reference to Starship Troopers "Would you like to know more?" line

(based on nothing but speculation)

[echo parrot]

top 3 favorite IP, book and movie

[bold plover]

Thank you.

I now have no idea how to balance this to be 75% more damage, lmao.

0.3 ish.

[sterile crescent]

It would scale exponentially otherwise, tbf

[sterile crescent]

Oh, I figured out the Engie formula. Seems the resistances are only applied to the initial instance of damage

14 * (1-0.8) + 14 * (0.75) + 14 * (0.75) = 23.8

So each resistance and/or vulnerability just creates a new damage instance and only modifies that, for whatever reason?

Wait, does that mean IFG works the same?

So an enemy resisting damage can have it (effectively) partially bypassed under an IFG field

[glacial topaz]

No problem. Count me in for any Math and co related issue.

[sly galleon]

when would the Milspec skins or the season 3 paintjobs be updated to wiki? (Gallery)

[acoustic scarab]

Have we ever settled on how the wiki should address/describe the reader?

Old pages often say "The Dwarves must do X". Many other say "players must do X", with a few select pages having "you must do X".
It's quite inconsistent, but it would also take a lot of manual eyework to fix

[gaunt cipher]

My personal view is "Players must do X" is best. "Dwarves" is slightly unspecific due to other dwarves existing in the setting and just feels a bit informal, "you must do X" is inaccurate because it's (usually)a multiplayer game.

[glacial topaz]

other dwarves existing as in ?

[primal pulsar]

The rewards section on deep dives doesn't mention the 15750 credits you get - I presume that is the same every time just like the XP - with the addition of the bonus for resources mined. I also presume it's similar for elite deep dives?

[short cloud]

what makes you think the payout is always the same ? 🤔

[primal pulsar]

Well it pays out for three primary objectives and three secondary objectives. Do you ever do more than that on a deep dive?

[short cloud]

I never really paid much attention to the payout but I thought it was using the same xp calculation as normal missions

[primal pulsar]

No according to the wiki the XP is always the same. The currency summary includes 3x prim, 3x secon, and 2x gold, so the only variance as far as I could tell would be the gold.

[short cloud]

Been checking some old screenshots and it seems the payout is around the same as the 15750 credits from the normal DD

and xp is always 20250 on EDD, I suppose it's also the same as the regular DD ?

[primal pulsar]

Yeah I have only done one EDD ever so I don't have any data, but I know the credits payout for a regular deep dive (minus gold) is exactly equal to the XP payout, so if the EDD pays out 20250 xp I would guess the EDD pays out 20250 credits (plus gold - equal to the XP) as well.

But someone who is better at the game would have to confirm that for me lol

[short cloud]

nah, credits for EDD seems to be the same

so 15750

[primal pulsar]

Oh cool. Well I guess that's simple enough anyway.

[short cloud]

just checked, and I can actually confirm it's a fixed 15750 before gold

so only the xp differs from DD to EDD

[acoustic scarab]

I also think we should call readers "players". There's no need to add a degree of separation from player to dwarf. One player always controls one dwarf.

[short cloud]

wait

8500 cr is the payout for regular DD

[primal pulsar]

I just did a regular DD a few moments ago and got 15750

[short cloud]

huh, so they changed it ?

I got an older screenshot with 8500 payout

[primal pulsar]

They must have or I am very lucky.

[glacial topaz]

Dwarf most likely give a closer connection to the universe, as if the wiki is a guide to the DRG dwarves or something

[acoustic scarab]

Yeah. Except we're not styling our wiki to be for the dwarves of DRG anywhere other than the old pages

[primal pulsar]

Could it be that the 15750 matching the XP is just a coincidence? Maybe the payout is related to the specific objectives you completed?

[short cloud]

doesn't seem like it

[glacial topaz]

still "players" doesn't make sense, or you would have to always say "players controlling the gunner" , "players controlling the driller"
"Dwarf" is just a easier way to refer to all classes
"player" is more fitting for things outside the gameplay, such as configurations

[gaunt cipher]

"or you would have to always say "players controlling the gunner" , "players controlling the driller" "
No, you'd just say "gunners" or "drillers".

[primal pulsar]

I just checked the dev stream for the most recent EDD and they got a base payout of 20250

[gaunt cipher]

Elsewhere in the setting. Dwarves on other missions, mission control and management, and so on. That might not be the real root of my issue here though.

Saying "Dwarves must mine morkite" just feels strange to me compared to "Players must mine morkite", for instance.
I'm a player playing a videogame and you're telling me my objectives, we don't need to specify dwarves because players don't control anything other than dwarves.

[short cloud]

so I guess the general payout got increase

[acoustic scarab]

still "players" doesn't make sense, or you would have to always say "players controlling the gunner" , "players controlling the driller"
No I wouldn't. How did you arrive at that?

We're talking to people playing a video game

Referring to them as players makes all the sense we need

[primal pulsar]

You might say "Gunner" instead of "Player" if you are describing a class specific ability but otherwise "Player" makes sense.

Just pushed a small update to https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Deep_Dives#Rewards - I haven't changed anything on the wiki before so let me know if I flubbed it up.

[glacial topaz]

"Player" might sound good for using on actions or tasks you have to do (so most ?)
but does it fit for numbers (?) "Players run at 3m/s speed, have 3 primary weapons and have 100 HP"

[acoustic scarab]

When are we ever in a situation when we have to write stuff like this?

If we describe a toolkit of a class, we just write "The Gunner has this and that"

If we describe a mission objective, we write "players must protect the drilldozer from enemies"

[primal pulsar]

Yeah I think trying to find a general rule that has no exceptions is a little futile. To me it sounds like anytime it makes sense, we should use "Players" and any time it doesn't make sense, we should use whatever does work in that context.

The benefit of the rule really only applies to cases where you could say "Dwarves" or "Players" interchangeably - and it sounds like we want to use "Players" in those cases.

[acoustic scarab]

My main goals for bringing this up are mostly to bring consistency and get rid of you's

Addressing directly is too informal for the kind of wiki we have

I mean, if the game tries to mess with the 4th wall and talks to the player directly, it would be more fitting for the wiki to mirror that tone

[primal pulsar]

We could set up a template to insert the logged in user's name instead of second person pronouns in that case 😁

[vocal vale]

Are the performance pass rewards listed/pictured anywhere?

I'm trying to find a picture of the All Patched Up cosmetic, but I'm having trouble

[primal pulsar]

Here you go! https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Accessory_Shop#Matrix_Core_Cosmetics
Might be worth linking there from the season 3 summary, since it lists the quantity of cosmetics without a link.
You'll want to expand "Headware" and control+F "All Patched up"

[vocal vale]

ah, I didn't have headwear expanded, so ctrl + F didn't find anything

thanks! it looks like it's a reference to something, but I can't think of anything immediately

it's right on the tip of my tongue, too

[primal pulsar]

The flavor text is "A furiously good look." so maybe it's related to Nick Fury from.. marvel?

[short cloud]

that's the case yeah

[vocal vale]

did Nick have such a luscious head of hair though?

[primal pulsar]

Not the samuel L Jackson version, for sure.

[vocal vale]

something else does come to mind, but I just cannot think of a name
had long-ish hair, an eyepatch and chomped cigars

[primal pulsar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eeh0ehrXoAQQh9x?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 This is the OG Nick Fury.

If there isn't a page for trivia related to the cosmetics and their references that could be a good addition to the wiki.

[cerulean berry]

think i've determined what exactly TiggerOnPercentage is doing:

OnDamageTaken fires when TiggerOnPercentage >= %health lost since spawn or last time OnDamageTaken was fired
meaning if TiggerOnPercentage = 20% and 30% of damage is done in a single hit, OnDamageTaken will fire and then won't fire again until less than 50% max HP is reached

in the case of twins where TiggerOnPercentage = 11%, this means even if doing a single HP worth of damage per hit once 60% HP is reached, the first heal may not happen until as low as 49% depending on how damage instances and OnDamageTaken aligned before then

[glacial topaz]

finally understood
so the trigger can only happen if at least 11% of damage is done
still, is the % considering the HP before the healing, or it is just a total damage thing ?

[cerulean berry]

ohhh forgot to check what happens if they heal. i assume it would trigger again at >11% from the point of healing but will check later

[glacial topaz]

I am like "smh, I need to see this visually to fully get it"

[cerulean berry]

the mechanic makes perfect sense now that i think of it in the context of the other two dreads, it just never occurred to me that it also may apply to the twins. there are very distinct phases for the hiveguard and OG and doing high instances of damage will let you skip some of those phases. the trigger threshold on OG is 30% so if you do an excess of 10% damage split over the first three phases you skip the last 10% entirely

[glacial topaz]

the issue with OG is the timer for healing too
also I think hiveguard is different than OG ? as in, not using the same system , I would have to remember

[cerulean berry]

the health gating mechanic works the same (for the most part, i recall now that you can still 2 cycle the hiveguard by doing less than 50% damage in the first and second phases: https://youtu.be/zqixkfBxxy0

looks like the hiveguard has a special check that prevents it from immediately going invulnerable if has less than 10% HP

[trail gust]

55% that I discovered earlier is very close to 100-11-11-11-11 = 56% which is 2520 which is very close to 2500, although I haven't seen twins to heal at 2501-2520 during my tests. Second gate appears to be 88.(8)-11x6 = 34% which is ~1530, which is near the most of my results, however I've seen twins heal at ~1580 when I shot it with laser - since laser shoots with low dmg ticks I don't know if it's possible for such thing like Overdrive Booster to delay OnDamageTaken.

[steady talon]

random question, but does the game ever use the plural "macteras"? i've kinda gotten used to using "mactera" as the plural and i'm kinda curious

[analog rock]

Pretty sure it does

[steady talon]

gotcha

[weary sonnet]

It does use macteras, just checked in crowdin, but there is not a lot of lines with it.

[tender spire]

pretty sure its just macteras

[wary swift]

mactera

i wonder why grabbers and bombers are the only mactera with eyes

[glacial topaz]

you asking why the devolopers made the macteras not be all the same
or if there is a lore reason ?

pretty sure there are no dialogues talking about that, and game isn't known for having any focus on some kind of "lore"

[strong pivot]

most of the links to the jukebox songs are broken .... was looking for that one goofy song that has a synth that goes up and down.. unfortunately I don't think I'm gonna be able to find it

maybe an electric piano?

defining trait is that it sounds very silly

[steady talon]

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/"Lead_Storm"_Powered_Minigun#Hot_Bullets
karl.gg claims that hot bullets adds 50% of the damage dealt by the weapon is added as heat, while the wiki currently doesn't include any info about how much heat hot bullets adds
was just curious if anyone had any conflicting info or if karl.gg's numbers are true
if they are, might be worth adding that to the wiki page

[acoustic scarab]

It seems Bosco mines for a max duration of 45 seconds before stopping on his own

Watching him with a stopwatch now at a crassus crater

So, the stop condition would be "nothing else to mine OR 45 seconds have elapsed"

[floral drift]

followup to this: in addition to what SplitSentro has shown, it's important to make the distinction that the damage from Minigun T4.A is not a damage conversion, but instead is applied to the base damage of each bullet. as a result, the Heat per bullet gets increased by +15% when T4.A is active, too.

Dmg * [100% Kinetic, 50% Heat]
-> Dmg * 1.15 * [100% Kinetic, 50% Heat]

if it was a +15% Kinetic conversion added, then it would look like this:
Dmg * [100% Kinetic, 50% Heat]
-> Dmg * [115% Kinetic, 50% Heat]

this is important for the very niche usecase of Minigun xBxAC + Bullet Hell. without the +15% Heat/bullet when T4.A is active, then it wouldn't be able to do 5 Heat per shot, thus igniting Swarmers and raising it to a 1HK breakpoint

9 * 1.15 + 6 > 14.4 eHP

[austere fossil]

Is there a range we can specify for that first part? I have the impression that if you pinged the middle of a long vein he might stop after reaching one end but before 45s have elapsed.

[trail gust]

Just the first thing I've found

[austere fossil]

I'm guessing plain Range is for idling attacking?

[trail gust]

It's only for Mining Tool

[austere fossil]

oh, is mine radius then the carve?

[trail gust]

probably

[austere fossil]

1m did seem a little too small for mining range (and I initially misread it as "MineRange" instead of radius)

So, "nothing else to mine within 3 meters OR 45 seconds have elapsed"

[trail gust]

There are also these two, I'm guessing it's not used

[austere fossil]

huh, maybe they experimented with him auto-mining stuff?

[acoustic scarab]

I did pick a crassus crater specifically because there would be something to mine everywhere around Bosco.
But I can attest from anecdotal experience he does have a maximum seek radius when deciding to stop or not

Would be great if someone could reproduce the 45 sec limit

[steady talon]

very good info, thanks

would anyone mind if i edited the hot bullets section to reflect this? cause rn it's pretty basic

[steady talon]

old description:

Hot Bullets causes each bullet fired out of the Minigun, after the heat meter has turned red, to heat up the enemy. After an enemy has been heated up enough, they will ignite, taking damage over time. Hot Bullets itself will not cause bonus damage directly, but from the On Fire status effect instead.
and here's how i tried to rewrite it:
Hot Bullets causes each bullet fired out of the Minigun, after the heat meter has turned red, to inflict 50% of the weapon's damage as Heat, which can ignite enemies.
this sound good? (thought the explanation of how ignition + heat was a little unnecessary compared to how other wiki pages are)

[primal pulsar]

"to inflict 50% of the weapons damage as heat" sounds like it is replacing damage with heat.

I might phrase it: "Hot bullets causes each bullet fired out of the Minigun to inflict an additional 50% of its damage as heat after the heat meter has turned red"

[steady talon]

good idea, i'll add that

[thick pelican]

According to some individuals, you can Temp Shock an OMEN Tower, by igniting it with CRSPR and switching to Wave Cooker.
Is that true?

[short cloud]

would be easy to verify I guess

[trail gust]

yes you can, though the bottom one spins kinda fast for it

[tender spire]

yey

[trail gust]

but probably throwing 4 cryo nades to freeze everything is faster

[primal pulsar]

Does anyone know the details of the banshee upgrade for standard bolts on the crossbow? It seems like the radius is very small and the effect propagates out for like 5 seconds but I can't be sure from live testing due to the small fear chance.

[trail gust]

When normal arrows impact terrain, they apply 33% Base Fear Chance to enemies within a 3m radius, pulsing once per second for 5 seconds.

Just check descriptions on Karl.gg

[primal pulsar]

Oh is Karl.gg supported / maintained as a source? I thought everything was deprecated in favor of deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg

[trail gust]

from my pov, it seems that MeatShield first updates Karl.gg, then wiki may be implements some of his info

[gaunt cipher]

karl.gg's its own thing. and yeah, info is often on there before the wiki

[primal pulsar]

Okay so do people generally treat Karl.gg as a reputable source for adding stuff to the wiki? If that's the case I'd be happy to transfer stuff over if I ever find that something is missing.

[glacial topaz]

only thing deprecated was fandom

[glacial topaz]

everyone is prone to an eventual error
it is always better if you know how to better confirm the information
even if 99% will be correct

[primal pulsar]

Gotcha, okay. Thanks!

[tender spire]

how fast does a charge shot from EPC travel?

without the speed mod

[short cloud]

FYI, the speed mod only affect normal shots IIRC

[weary sonnet]

13m/s for the charged shot
and 35m/s for the normal shot

[tender spire]

ah ok

ty

[glacial topaz]

weren't there some talk about including travel speed on weapon's page ?

[trail gust]

Just saw lacerator rejecting to meet and greet arbalest and stay vulnerable.

[glacial topaz]

just have to know what makes them able to abort it middle healing

[sterile crescent]

It didn't seem to reject it, so much as break out of it near instantly; you could see it briefly enter invulnerability, and it still healed

[trail gust]

I found it weird that lacerator didn't change his position at all
but outside of that, only corrosion statuses were changing

[glacial topaz]

is it something that requires multiplayer, or can it be reproduced in solo

[trail gust]

do you see what puddle Arbalest is on?
when he just burrowed out, he's stayin in the same place, but his animation reaches some puddle
either way, I suppose lacerator smh procced his Burrow attack instead of meeting Arbalest
then Burrow attack made him vulnerable, then they started swapping invulnerability states with each other probably of some failsafe checks and still ended in lacerator being vulnerable

[floral drift]

following up on this conversation. Karl.gg is supposed to provide a succinct, precise, and accurate summary of the weapons' mods and Overclocks. however, there's no way to convey all of the underlying mechanics of the weapons in just tooltips. as such, Karl.gg and the DRG Wiki exist in a symbiotic relationship. there have been many occasions where the Wiki had info that Karl.gg was missing. like others have said, I often work to update Karl.gg first and then start disseminating the info to various places such as the DCT server and this channel.

the intention is that the Wiki is the Single Source of Truth for how the game works, and then Karl.gg is just the at-a-glance summary. the goal is that eventually both sources will be updated and have the same info.

like Omega said, i'm not perfect and there have been some stuff on Karl.gg that need to be updated/corrected. thankfully, users are often willing to submit bug reports and then i can fix things. in general, Karl.gg is a good "quick reference" but it's good to double-check its info against the Wiki and asking questions in this channel

[spare hatch]

is layout of collected minerals preset or just random

(random)- i mean in order u get "x" mineral

[bold plover]

random amount in a mission if that is what you mean

[glacial topaz]

the wiki has the range for most of them
if you are looking for how much you can expect

but sounds more like you are asking about the order it appears in the UI

[primal pulsar]

Fall Damage Resistance is Additive, not Multiplicative. Each instance gets subtracted from the baseline multiplier of 1.0, down to a minimum of 0.0 (you can't heal from Fall Damage if you have more than 100% Fall Damage Resistance)

Does anyone know the significance of the parenthetical here from the fall damage section of the wiki? The mention of healing seems unrelated to the sentence it is attached to. Wondering if something got lost in an edit somewhere. I don't see anything in the history for the page that would have been about healing.

[bold plover]

Should be changed to you can't take fall damage. Can't heal because you don't take fall damage is what the idea probably was but an odd way of doing so.

[primal pulsar]

Okay will edit.

Does anyone know if dwarves have a terminal velocity from gravity, or will they accelerate indefinitely until they hit the ground?

[glacial topaz]

you want to know if damage increases forever ?

[bold plover]

There is terminal from natural gravitational forces.

2048.0

~20.5 m/s

[glacial topaz]

is that done to limit damage, or to avoid glitching out

[bold plover]

Well, you can certainly die from much less so I'd assume the other.

Changing the gravity or applying forces on yourself will bypass this limit fyi.

[sterile crescent]

Yeah, pretty sure its just to try and prevent you phasing through the floor because you moved faster than the physics engine could keep up

[bold plover]

You can move insanely fast and it will keep up so long as your fps is somewhat high.

[sterile crescent]

Since, at terminal velocity without any forms of fall resistance or health boost, it will kill you regardless of your current HP

Unresisted damage at terminal velocity is 183.75 (assuming the wiki's formulas are all correct), for context; max health + shields you can have is 170

Ignoring shield link, the health boosting drink, fall damage resistances etc.

Could have been put in place to make those effects give an artificial breakpoint I guess?

Making it so basically any form of resist or EHP boosting prevents 1-shot fall damage deaths

[bold plover]

I mean, why make it some absurd number for the engine to calculate and predict for clients?

[sterile crescent]

Fair; it would be very funny to see a scout on your screen for 1 frame though

[bold plover]

Scout can definitely still die from falling even with his boosts, I would assume even if tunnel rat was working as intended then he still would.

[sterile crescent]

From full health? If the wiki's damage calculations are correct, and this is maximum velocity, any EHP gain greater than ~8.1% would keep him alive

Given he's using the HP boosting armor mod, rather than shield

His armor buff alone would put him past that

[primal pulsar]

Yeah I presume the speed increase up to terminal is quadratic though, and then it just stops accelerating you, there's not a full air resistance simulation or anything, right?

Was just making a table for max fall height before health damage vs shield strength and resistance on the fall damage page.

If tunnel rat is 60% and the shock absorbers are 33% the scout could be expected to have 93% fall damage resistance, which would allow a 60 meter fall before breaking a 30 HP shield, or a 355 meter fall before breaking a 90 HP shield (shield link), but even in the extreme example they'd be going 83 m/s, nowhere close to terminal, but I wanted to be sure.

At those heights the rangefinder probably shows ∞ anyway

[sterile crescent]

Will have to test to be sure

I'm unfortunately tied up for the evening; can test tomorrow though if not one else does by then

[primal pulsar]

Well just tested roughly - Tunnel rat + shock absorbers + ~81 meter fall (from recalled drop pod to landing site) depleted my shield (25hp) plus 12 health. A 43.7 meter fall failed to break my shield. Everything seems to line up, although I don't really have the patience to test every value exactly.

[steady talon]

i can confirm that tunnel rat + grappling hook fall damage mod + scout's fall damage resistance from armor will grant immunity to fall damage

i can probably help get exact values for fall damage tomorrow afternoon

just need to get some testin' mods

[trail gust]

For some reason, I recall that Sludge Blast was supposed to have 75%/25% kinetic/corrosive damage proportions, unlike 50/50 without this OC. I remember these S02 Patch Notes:

Sludge Blast OC

• Removed clip size penalty
• Changed ammo penalty from percentage to a flat value
• Removed charge time penalty
• Increased fragment damage conversion slightly
  However, I just had a look at damage bonuses of 3 different goo projectiles, and it's the same 50% kinetic conversion. Was it reverted some time ago?

[weary sonnet]

From what I see:
Damage conversion was added in S2P0 as conversion to corrosive.
In S3P3 it was changed to conversion to kinetic.

[primal pulsar]

I'm wondering if there is a better way to style / use tooltips on the wiki. Currently if a stat is underlined there seems to be no way to view the alternate info on mobile.

[glacial topaz]

You would have to do something for mobile while leaving desktop alone

Making it be hover on desktop, and press on mobile could work

[weary sonnet]

There is this kind of solution on fandom, there is probably something similar we could implement on wiki.gg if you think it is a viable solution.
https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/WdsTooltips

[primal pulsar]

Why would we need to leave desktop alone? Surely there are solutions that would work on both and wouldn't require splitting by platform.

[glacial topaz]

the entire problem is on mobile
only makes sense to mess with desktop if it is improving or making it the same

[primal pulsar]

It would affect anyone who isn't using a pointing device, which could be mobile or desktop.

A simpler solution might be to rely less on tooltips for important information.
For example, rather than writing {{Tooltip|+300% Damage|Bonus damage is Fire element}} we might write +300% fire Damage

[glacial topaz]

if there is any tooltip that is not needed it will be few examples

tooltips is to avoid redundancy, and reduce page size

On some parts, it is also used to keep the original sentence intact

[primal pulsar]

I think footnotes and links better serve those purposes, but I suppose it's a matter of opinion.

[glacial topaz]

link to where
and footnotes applies on some cases, but not all (which already is being used)

[primal pulsar]

Well you mentioned redundancy, so the link would be to the information that would otherwise be redundant.

The hope being that tooltips are never the sole location for a piece of useful information.

[spare hatch]

yes was asking about order

is ther 1 preset

like morkite nitra gold crppa dystrum or its just based how u pick up

[outer yoke]

Rockpox larvae are missing from the creature health table on the Health page https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Health
Would edit it myself but I'm not familiar with the way tables like this work so don't wanna mess up anything

I suppose Rockpox Praetorians and Grunts don't matter since they have the same hp as normal versions, but they're also not there

[short cloud]

I suppose the rockpox larvae also have the same stats as the parasite, with only the rockpox buildup added

[weary sonnet]

Rockpox enemies added.

[acoustic scarab]

Rockpox is spreading over the wiki

[primal pulsar]

Step 1: cover the rockpox wiki articles with foam

[rigid parrot]

Step 2: vacuum
Step 3: profit

[bold plover]

The wiki incorrectly states that Brood Nexus have 3 eyes when they in fact have 4.

[primal pulsar]

Confirmed and fixed, although they do technically also have three eyes. 🙂

[primal pulsar]

I have been tinkering with Hurricane overclocks and I am pretty sure the Jet Fuel Homebrew OC causes you to lose tracking on your missile over time. Immediately after firing I can guide the missile up and down in a sine wave, but the missile becomes more and more sluggish as it flies, eventually no longer responding at all to guidance. Does anyone know if this is intentional, or a bug? It's not listed as a downside in the description.

Without the overclock I can keep missiles going around in circles (basically) forever, it's not a matter of space or speed.

[bold plover]

They have a limited flight time before guidance cuts off, it might be possible that those missile variants have a shorter timer for such.

[primal pulsar]

Without the overclock they can fly for what seems to be in excess of 30 seconds, after which they fall to the ground. With this overclock they lose it in like 2 seconds and they continue flying straight. Whatever the precise mechanism is it's very drastic.

[glacial topaz]

I did find a "MaxPropulsionTime = 30" for PRJ_MicroMissile
though couldn't find something for jetfuel
only thing close to odd is a certain "Bonus_Accuracy_HugeHorizontal" and "Bonus_Accuracy_HugeVertical" for the OC effects with a %value of 20

[primal pulsar]

For now I have reported it on the bug tracker, since the game doesn't reference it anywhere. Either a missing description or unintended downside.
https://drg.pleasefix.gg/projects/DEEP-ROCK-GALACTIC/issues/DRG-376 (if anyone else can reproduce)

In the meantime - should it be added to the wiki? I think I've seen some pages that document long standing bugs or undocumented behaviours, but I'm not sure where this falls.

[tame plover]

I don't think it's time based. I've been able to make them fly for quite a while. But they sometimes do stop responding. I have found one movement pattern where they consistently stop responding

[primal pulsar]

Oh yeah they fly for the same time, they just lose tracking quickly.

[glacial topaz]

wonder if making the speed much lower could help tell if it is a matter of distance
or other factors

[tame plover]

It feels based on how quickly you move your mouse

it's hard to explain

trying to get a recording rn

See what I mean? With slow movements I can keep it in the air for a long time

But when I snap my mouse it stops tracking

I can't figure out what causes the tracking to cut off but it's definitely not time. It feels like it's based on the rockets movement.

[primal pulsar]

Would you be able to add that video to the bug report I created a little bit ago?

[tame plover]

Done!

[trail gust]

Changing HomingAccelerationMagnitude in ProjectileComponent from 20k to, let's say, 50k solves this issue.

[bold plover]

That is the strength of the homing effect so I guess that makes sense. It has to be a higher value for higher velocities.

[glacial topaz]

doesn't that affect how useful manouver mods are ?

[primal pulsar]

The thing is, if you get "Bigger Jet Engine" along with the overclock, turn rate and velocity are both +225% so you would think it would be just as agile as the standard rocket

I just did some tests, and will add a video in a moment. You can snap the cursor 90 degrees and the missile will respond strongly, and you can do a gentle sine wave along the wall and the missile will slowly stop responding. Like I can whip it left and it will just YOINK right over, I can even flick back and it responds, but then I lose tracking.

It seems like it has like... turn health that depletes when you make tighter turns.

It seems to track better without the increased speed/maneuverability mod, which I think is T2A.

[primal pulsar]

Still processing HD but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6IM2YNVzs

[brazen crater]

Hello everyone, i found a black/bleu kinda rubics cube and it has a weird name. Does anyone know what it is amd what i can do with it?

[tame plover]

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Error_Cube
It has no use at the moment.

Also: weird layout on mobile.

'the'

[analog rock]

Why is there a picture of the EOTM terminal on the error cube page? Shouldn't it be in the spacerig page?

[tame plover]

It has the 'secretly knows what the error cube is for...' text.

But the image would probably fit more in the trivia section

[analog rock]

Ah right. Too low res on my phone for the text

[floral drift]

necromancing this conversation, someone is claiming that they've gotten 12 plague hearts in one mission. 2 meteors * 4 hearts + 2 storms * 2 hearts. i thought it was interesting, wanted to share the update.

https://old.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/10ztktk/whats_the_max_plague_hearts_you_looted/j870w60/

[sterile crescent]

Theoretically, it can be as high as 15

4 hearts from 2 meteors, and getting 7 meteor fragments, each which contains a heart

The odds of that happening are astronomically low though

[trail gust]

There can be 2 small plaguefalls?

[short cloud]

yeah

[sterile crescent]

Oh, then its actually 4*2 + 2*7 = 22

[short cloud]

I think the max number of hearts in big meteors got reduced to a constant 3 though, right ?

haven't seen a 4 hearts meteor in a while

[sterile crescent]

I've seen 4 pretty recently

[trail gust]

iirc it's 3-4

[sterile crescent]

Its a 50-50 iirc

So you just have had bad luck lately

[short cloud]

I guess

[sterile crescent]

In contrast, meteor showers are guaranteed to have 1, and the other fragments each have a 2% chance

[floral drift]

the LazyMaybe message i replied to mentioned 22 as the theoretical max. the reddit post just now seems to be a more practical max of 12. nothing really revelatory, just an interesting observation.

[sterile crescent]

For sure

12 is the realistic max; everything else gets into "possibly cheating" range

[short cloud]

or incredible luck range

[floral drift]

for however many meteor swarms i've experienced, i have yet to get a single 2-hearts-from-one-shower 2% proc

[sterile crescent]

I have had it happen twice

[sterile crescent]

I'm lv 200 in the season pass though, lol, so my sample size may be rather large

[short cloud]

Nice, thank you
Means I don't have to change my copy/paste info

[sterile crescent]

Just for context, a roll of 12 meteors in a single missing is at best 1 in 10000

Which involved getting double meteors, double showers, passing the 50-50 on both meteors for 4 pulls, and 2% chances twice

Thats also assuming the all said events were guaranteed to occur; based on the devs remarks, getting all 4 to happen is at best a 1.2% chance on its own

So literally 1 in a million

To roll a 14, in contrast, is 4.74e-8 percent chance

Hence "bordering on cheating"

Accounting for mission event likelihood

And getting a "perfect" roll, all mission events occuring, all fragments contain hearts, both meteors contain 4, is a whopping
0.0000000000000000000001214% chance

I can see a 13 or 14 rolls happening eventually, but past that, its basically a miracle

[acoustic scarab]

I had my first last week. And that's playing semi-regularly once or twice a week since the start of season 3

[vagrant nacelle]

Does THE MOLE OC stacks 150 flat damage also with creatures, or only terrain?

fandom wiki

wiki.gg

[white plume]

only terrain

fandom wiki is not up to date

[vagrant nacelle]

ty

[glacial topaz]

You should have said what the actual wiki is lol
It is pinned here
Or it sounds like there is no other option

[primal pulsar]

Would be nice if google would hoist the wiki.gg one, every time I google mechanics I only get results from Fandom and reddit. Might just be a matter of time, IDK.

[white plume]

Have you ever wondered how many builds could possibly be made in DRG? Me neither!

...anyway, here's the answer:
As of this message, 5950659253764096, which is approximately 5.951e15

But that's not all:

Classes ranked by amount:

1. Driller with 2926975987482624 (2.927e15)
2. Engineer with 1619232332709888 (1.619e15)
3. Scout with 940813710262272 (9.408e14)
4. Gunner with 463637223309312 (4.636e14)

That gives us an average of 1.488e15. Unexpectedly large, but what can I say, those exponents get to you.

Finally, the total amount of possible team compositions assuming no duplicate classes is this:
2.067e63

(if you want to actually read anything in the image open it in browser)
(this is definitely related to the wiki, trust me)

[acoustic scarab]

Beautiful nerdwork, kudos

[primal pulsar]

Does anyone know if the trifork volley OC for the boltshark consumes 3 ammo per shot? The description says you load three into the "chamber" but I wanted to double check.

[analog rock]

Yes. Yes it does

[primal pulsar]

The wiki entry says 3x normal projectiles which sounded like maybe one bolt would split to three, thanks for the clarification.

[gaunt cipher]

it does let you shoot 3 even if you have less than 3 ammo, iirc.

[bold plover]

afaik you can't have less than 3 due to the max ammo with the oc

[gaunt cipher]

you'd think, but after shooting some shots and resupplying, you wind up at a number that isn't a multiple of 3

that was 6->20 from a resup

and so, this happens

afaik it's because, again like coilgun, you do actually have a "magazine"

and here it's a mag of 3. so, 24 reserve ammo plus 3 mag=27 ammo total, half of which is 13.5, rounding up to a 14 resup

[bold plover]

Oh, lmao.

[hexed needle]

does the trijaw weakpoint not actually take up the whole yellow area or is the coilgun inconsistent in hitting weakpoints?

[bold plover]

like most mactera it does not

[spark willow]

Wait so their belly isn’t all a weakpoint?

[bold plover]

no

[bold plover]

I haven't messed with this viewport stuff much so here is a better example as I had to make some changes. I removed the bone visuals and increased the FoV. During this vid I tried to select the weakpoint over and over and kept getting the body collider, which just shows that some of the weakpoint is overlapped which is why it is so hard to score a side shot since the body collider overlaps the sides of the weakspot.

If you remove the legs you can see the overlap better. You pretty much have to shoot it from below and in the front and middle areas of the belly.

[spark willow]

Ahhh okay

That’s kinda dumb but it makes sens

[tame plover]

Does the warden weakpoint have the same issue? IIRC it's almost impossible to hit it with coilgun.

[trail gust]

It was totally possible before.

[steep blaze]

Hi guys! Sorry to annoy you, but I was wondering...Im adding ES interwikis to the EN wiki, but apparently you guys don't have the interwiki activated yet. Would you like me to stop writing such interwikis? Don't want to screw the formatting of your page in any way, so I'm wondering what are your preferences regarding this. Thanks for any info in advance.

[shell frigate]

Certainly not annoying, not sure how we would go about doing such, am happy for them to be activated, can make the formatting work no matter what I'm sure

[steep blaze]

Perfect, thank you. Just saw that by having it as it is right now, it was leaving a nasty "es:XXXX" in red at the bottom of the page, so I didnt want to destroy the amazing layouts you are creating for the wiki with such a thing if you were not to activate it at all. Thanks, Cyrob!

[shell frigate]

Well I could change the colour if it's not a valid link so it's not red

[steep blaze]

Up to you, I guess. While you get them activated, you might want to perhaps change the colour, yes, so that it doesn't feel like the page has some incorrect coding on it or is detected as "Pages with no links". All interwikis I'm adding have their corresponding page done, so I'm not linking to empty/inexistent pages.

[shell frigate]

Ah Will likey make it DRG link orange to match then

[merry kernel]

was rival presence changed in season 3 that makes the turret controller only a chance to spawn?

just had a mission with no controller/turret room

map seed screenshot

[jolly adder]

Anyone know whether or not the homebrew powder overclock affects the area damage of explosive rounds on the revolver?

[tame plover]

Karl.gg says it does. But if you want to be sure go in a game and test it out. If you're on steam I recommend using sandbox utilities.

[short cloud]

no need for sandbox utilities

just go haz 1 and use damage text mod

there you go

[jolly adder]

Damage text mod doesn't display the exact amount of damage dealt if it kills the enemy, just the amount needed to finish them off

[short cloud]

I don't believe grunts in haz 1 die with 30 damage 😄

[jolly adder]

?

The revolver does 70 damage with damage upgrades and explosive rounds

[short cloud]

shoot next to two differents grunts (it's AoE damage after all), see if the number is the same in both case, there you go

no need to bother with sandbox mods, switching saves and the like

[trail gust]

It's more like coil gun's issue. I reported it: https://drg.pleasefix.gg/projects/DEEP-ROCK-GALACTIC/issues/DRG-388
And tri-jaws are still relatively ok to get crits off, I can't say the same about other species like normal macteras, where such shot isn't a critical hit somehow:

[acoustic scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/322078639237890049/1075445321666138142/20230215185250_1.jpg?width=1246&height=701

Confirming that there is no check for a large meteorite to avoid Doretta

[trail gust]

I just realized how we get x2.666 frozen bonus on Dreadnoughts. Initially "FrozenDamageBonus" equals 2, so it goes like 1 part plus 2 parts. Then, Dreadnoughts have x0.833 FrozenDamageBonusScale, so 2x0.833 = 1.666. Then 1+1.666=x2.666.

[sterile crescent]

So its not 2.5 as stated on the wiki? And this has been tested?

[trail gust]

#wiki-related-chatroom message

[sterile crescent]

Ok, thanks

Will update the wiki now

[sly galleon]

could we confirm the lootbug lover Pose is actually obtainable from Cargo Crate? https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Victory_Pose_Lootbug_Lover.png
someone mentioned they got empty cargo crate but they dont have lootbug lover Pose yet. #drg-chat message

[analog rock]

It's under investigation

[weary sonnet]

For lootbug lover, from what I see in the code, it used to be in cargo crates, but currently it isn’t possible to get it anymore (if I read it right, they removed all acquisition methods in S03P10), probably not intended.

[analog rock]

Could you confirm it on please fix as well?

[glacial topaz]

you are more likely to hit the damage check than the time check, don't remember tests being done for the time
probably variable on player count

[chilly osprey]

Can i help expand the wiki? In particular the voiceline sections.

[glacial topaz]

you will have to explain better what that means
-you need help knowing how to edit ?

• you need help with getting voice lines audio/text ?
• you need help making an account to edit ?

[chilly osprey]

I need help getting voice lines audio/text

[glacial topaz]

shouldn't you try something you are more familiar with
or you just feeling like doing that part
text -> use crowdin to check
audio -> get using umodel

[floral drift]

without timing it or looking up the values, i seem to recall it was like 30 sec window on the OG dreadnought, or 30% of its max hp, whichever came first.

i'll try to find it if i can

[glacial topaz]

that's what I remember for the 1P tests I did a while back
but there is more to it, since Dev said it wasn't like that when I mentioned the 30s timer and 30% HP part

[floral drift]

OG dreadnought:

unconfirmed if that's relevant yet, just the first thing i've seen that seems promising

Hiveguard value:

i also recall that a Hiveguard will close up Phase 3 after it has completed 3 AoE "rock throw" attacks. i don't know if that's a set duration, or if it counts the attacks

[cerulean berry]

for the OG it appears to be 16 * BossDifficultyScaler ( = 1 on haz 4/5) seconds, plus an additional 10 seconds if there is only one player
https://trumank.github.io/drg-control-flow-graphs/#cfgs/FSD/Content/Enemies/Spider/TankBoss/BossTank/ENE_Spider_Tank_Boss.svg;5452;4089;0.447829

[floral drift]

thank you, AssemblyStorm

so that "30 sec" probably came from the classic Solo Haz4 test, 16+10=26

[glacial topaz]

still
I remember trying on haz 1 to 5, with no difference in the time ?
weird, since if there was a difference wouldn't it be noticeable

[trail gust]

it also looks like it doesn't apply timer if dread has not greater than 5% hp left

[floral drift]

anecdotally i've noticed this effect, but i didn't know if was placebo or not. i think Korlok has this too

[glacial topaz]

guessing 30% is unchanged ?
and for korlok there is ""StayOpenWhenBellowThisHealthPercentage" = 0.05,"

[fringe pier]

what's the difference between the wiki.gg and fandom.com wikis?

[shell frigate]

we started on fandom and migrated to wiki.gg so fandom is no longer updated

[fringe pier]

ahh ok there should probably be a notice on the fandom one

[shell frigate]

There was, fandom rules only allow one for 2 weeks

[fringe pier]

ah i see

[glacial topaz]

To be fair we started on gamepedia, but that is a much longer tale

[craggy wraith]

The site notice? I thought it was up for longer than that

[shell frigate]

Well we did not remove it, but going back and adding another would be against their rules

Us removing the notice would also have been against the rules technically (Admins need to break away from the wiki if they fork it)

[acoustic scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/322078639237890049/1077309202051121183/20230220222129_1.jpg?width=1246&height=701

Confirmation that meteorite placement doesn't check for "safe distance" from an egg either

[tranquil hazel]

I can confirm that. As I kid you not. Meteorites always and I mean always without fail hit the dreadnought cocoon

[hexed needle]

is it known if shield link functions as described atm?

remember hearing about negative shields at some point

[gaunt cipher]

Well, depends on what you mean by "as described".
When you use it on someone, it gives them +60 shields. But the way it works when it wears off is it just subtracts 60 shields again, so if the player has taken more damage than the 25/30 amount of shields they normally have, it'll send them into the negatives that they then have to regenerate from.

This isn't exactly your question but I feel like I have to say that, the thing I just mentioned combined with the extremely low and awkward to use range, the way it uses the E key along with many other things and can be used accidentally easily, and the way that sometimes pressing E on a downed teammate will consume shield link's use(putting it on cooldown without boosting anyone's shields)... it's pretty hard to recommend as an active. I spent a lot of time fiddling about with it and it's just very dubiously useful most of the time.

I very much wish we got a version of shield link where you activated it by holding down V, and then you do a "rock and stone" that boosts teammate's shields in an AoE around you to get rid of the horrible point blank range penalty. Maybe also make the boost bigger for teammates that also hit V, kind of like how the booyah bomb in splatoon gets stronger the more people emote.

[hexed needle]

i meant does the recharge bonus/boost stuff work like the perk description says

and yeah it's kinda the conclusion i came to aswell

can hardly tell if it's ever doing much especially since you can't see team shields and the boost gets wasted often

[trail gust]

there are mods out there that can show you that

[sly galleon]

it also looks like meteorite would check the location of the player and hit close them?

[acoustic scarab]

Yes, it has to hit somewhat close to the player. Hence why it feels like it always open a cocoon

Because the player is often in the vicinity of a cocoon

[thick slate]

Do you lose some minerals when bosco mine stuff for you? As like compensation for his work or something? Feels like every time he mines stuff you get like a but less then what it looks like

[acoustic scarab]

No, the method of mining (pickaxe, Bosco, explosion, disconnection) does not affect yield

The only exception is when you use a buff beer (for extra morkite of extra gold) - then only the chunks produced by the pickaxe will be multiplied

[glacial topaz]

guessing you ran tests using deep dives ?
what did you find

[trail gust]

I did some measurements on freeze durations.

[glacial topaz]

what is the conclusion for such range of durations
and does it match the known values / formulas

[trail gust]

[ Round_Up( (|Current Temperature| - |Unfreeze Temperature|) / Warming Rate ) ] - [ Time Since Last Temperature Update ]
I'd imagine, given dreads and opps unfreeze in 1 tick and have 1 s update time, that would make [1.0] - [0.x], which places it in-between 0 and 1.
But then we actually have [1; 2] s value spread with cryo cannon's freeze rate, and this 1 s is guaranteed here, while variable [0; 1] s is due to Update Timer, according to current knowledge.
It's quite the same with oppressor, though there's a sign that smth makes him unfreeze faster in average, although it's only 20 values here. We have WarmingCooldown = 1 s, so I figured I can try changing it. The result is that WarmingCooldown seems to be in that equation and it is it what grants 1 s of guaranteed freeze duration.
Nevertheless, I used Cryo Grenade this time which freezes dread in 1 damage instance. And the value spread is only [0.92; 1.1]. Given Update Timer starts with the first temperature decrease, that seems matching to the current knowledge. So, effectively, you get longer freeze duration when you freeze a target instantly.

When a creature’s temperature is negative and the creature is not yet Frozen, each time that creature takes any amount of Cold damage, the Warming Cooldown activates, which effectively pauses the Warming Rate for a few seconds
Well, that can be true if you think about it in the way where it applies Warming Cooldown first and only then the game sets freeze state, when new temperature equals FreezeTemperature. But it's not really that obvious here.

[lost flint]

is there a reason that all the bugged armor break mods aren't documented on (either) wiki? It seems bad to have a community resource that essentially misleads people with false information. Would it be a bad thing if I went through and added some kind of asterix or short blurb about them being nonfunctional?

[trail gust]

If temperature is below 0 then the Update Timer is reset every time the creature takes additional Cold damage. Once Frozen a creature's Update Timer will not reset again until it unfreezes.
So, with 8 Rate of Fire of Cryo Cannon, that would mean it should've reset itself near the moment of freeze. But knowing that for some reason the first Update time goes either before Warming Cooldown ends ( [0.92; 1] ), or after Warming Cooldown ends ( [1; 1.1] ), that makes it quite a variable, where what goes into [0.92; 1] gets supposedly blocked Warming Cooldown and delayed for 1 second and what goes into [1; 1.1] gets fired right after Warming cooldown ends. But then how could we explain the freeze duration interval [1.1; 1.92] ? Does that mean, Update Timer does not reset when Cold dmg reaches Freeze Temperature, though it definitely counts as "taking Cold damage". Thus, we anticipate at least pre-last dmg tick to generate Warming Cooldown and reset Update Timer at the same time. And that would explain 0.92 result, where the last tick activated Warming Cooldown (and not the one that actually froze the dread) and then within 0.1 s Update Timer actualized WarmingRate. Nonetheless, I also got 2 s duration result, which means it was near perfect 1 s + 1 s, which is not possible for the pre-last tick to do. As seen in memory, I also recall the temperature value gets actualized near every 0.5 s of in-game time, which, in turn, could be slightly delayed, when multiple instances of cold dmg get fired for processing together like Ice Path + Cold Radiance + Main stream. I'm not sure how, but that could also be the factor of aforementioned randomness.

[spark willow]

My brain is not conceived for this, I had a stroke reading the first paragraph

Good job tho
I like em funny word you say

[silent sierra]

I’ve considered documenting it on the wiki as well, but I guess I just figured the bugs would have been fixed by now. I eventually just forgot about doing it in favor of sharing the armor documentation google doc around.

I could go add the bugs to the wiki later today after work. I’m not opposed to the idea.

[lost flint]

Yeah I've always just linked the doc too, but it's not great since the doc only reaches people it's directly sent to or who see a reddit post or something. People seek out the wiki independently

Though that's slightly undermined by the fact that people seek out the wrong wiki independently lol

[trail gust]

It seems like spider eggs have been changed.
Before: #wiki-related-chatroom message
Now: https://gfycat.com/sneakypastelamericanblackvulture

[cerulean berry]

hellllll yes, restored to their former glory :D

what prompted you to test that?

[trail gust]

I was comparing files bit by bit and noticed changes in that folder.

[silent dove]

I always thought that they’d be better if nearby ones broke open too

[floral drift]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-yes-excited-thor-marvel-gif-25463637

fungus bogs and dense biozone just got a lot more dangerous 😈

i'm guessing these are the most relevant values?

so, if 2500% probability to chain react is to be believed...

opening an egg by damage is all but guaranteed to unlock the whole swarm?

but walking by it within 1.75m is theoretically only 20% chance to open?

max health: 20 (Simple, therefore no scaling)

[glacial topaz]

so pretty much, when you break using damage
ALL eggs within 5 meters, will be open after 0.25 - 1.5s ?

[floral drift]

if the values shown in the gamefile are right, then that is the probable interpretation. however, there's a long history of values in gamefiles having no correlation to in-game performance

[glacial topaz]

well, I guess changing it to a fixed 10s and tweaking range should probably indicate if it is used

[bold plover]

FYI they made Escort and Industrial Sabotage less likely to be selected for DD and EDD.

Everything is 10 weighting except for Escort is 7 and Industrial Sabotage is 5. This does not change from DD to EDD.
Previously they were all equal.

[glacial topaz]

guessing that system is for the main objective ? if that means 8 different missions, the sum should be 72
so 10/72 (13.88%) for ME, Egg, Refining, Salvage, PE and Dread
7/72 (9.72%) for Escort
5/72 (6.94%) for Sabotage
right ?

[cerulean berry]

also if my interpretation is correct it looks like they limited escort to only once per deep dive and sabotage to a single stage out of both dives per week

[glacial topaz]

now that makes it even more complex to analyze

[bold plover]

Eh, new embed makes that weird.

[glacial topaz]

guessing testing is pending to understand the values
probably can be done by limiting the mission pool to only 2
and observing results

[austere fossil]

eugh, it is. I hate it.

[wicked cave]

Am I crazy, or did the beer selection used to be pinned to the mission timer in the space rig? i.e. you could only get a new beer when the missions reset every 30m, and everyone would see the same beers at the same time

Apparently that has now changed, as simply hitting "disband team" will generate random beers in the rig, letting dwarves cycle through until they get what they want

Yeah, current text of wiki in https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Abyss_Bar#Today's_Special says it's tied to mission rotation. Looks like that's no longer the case.

Wonder if bug (related to recent patch) or intentional

[silent sierra]

@glacial topaz There was a suggestion to add a note to each of the bugged armor mods explaining that they don't quite function as intended. I can go about doing that, but I figured that the least intrusive way of adding it would be via text that appears on mouse hover. Do we have a template for that in the new wiki, or does one need to be made?

[glacial topaz]

No hoverover template specifically that I remember, so you might try making one
Curious how it will be use and look like

I havent done a wiki quality review in some time...

[bold plover]

It doesn't seem like these are listed as biome features on the Wiki. I double checked to make sure it occurred in vanilla and the files back it up too.

[tame plover]

The sandblasted description still mentions containing fossilised bones. But it doesn't anymore, right? Or are they just very rare?

[bold plover]

They are disabled afaik.

[neat stone]

do plasma burster missiles work on the caretaker?

[glacial topaz]

which sense of "work" ?
damage ? piece it ?

[merry warren]

what is even the incentive to level higher after promoting a class?

[stark tulip]

prestige assignments
and funny blue number go up

[whole stirrup]

What’s the chance that a second meteor storm/impact will happen? Wiki says it’s 25%-33%, so does that mean the game will roll 4 times to decide each occurrence?

[acoustic scarab]

Ostensibly yes, but it's more complicated than that.

First off, the game won't roll for the same event again until the first one has been cleared

And there seems to be a cut-off time after which these events don't happen

There was an off-hand note during a dev stream. Someone wondered if they should wait for a second impact, and Mike said that it was too late for that

[neat stone]

The pierce

Same question for the omen

[short cloud]

prestige assignments and achievements

[glacial topaz]

where is the 4 rolls part coming from ?

[neat stone]

so anyone know the answer?

[short cloud]

I believe it does work, yeah

I remember using it

[glacial topaz]

so after all, the Dwarf shield regen delay is 5.5s or 7s ?
seems the pages got edited for 7, so making sure of the cause

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Resupply_Pod&curid=4615&diff=33014&oldid=32996
"refill 50% of a player's ammunition (rounded up, except for [[Satchel Charge]]s and the [[LMG Gun Platform]])"
given the turrets ammo is very similar in count to regular player ammo, why would it work in a different way ? mistake ?

[short cloud]

Most likely because the guns have a magazine, which count as a separated ammo pool while turrets don't have a magazine to speak of, it's just a pull of ammo

[short cloud]

I believe it's 7 without the armour mod for faster regen, and 5.5 with it
nevermind, it's 6s, not 5.5

[glacial topaz]

wait...
gold chunk XP is 150–300 or 300–500 ?
page got some changes https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Gold&curid=1919&diff=33027&oldid=32016#Compressed_Gold-0

"The backup batteries ejected from the force field projector are reskinned Nanite Bombs from the [[Tritilyte Crystal Machine Event]], as they share the same ping inspection lines. "
https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Rival_Caretaker&curid=5048&diff=33000&oldid=31462
not sure about that one...

[wicked cave]

Definitely true

same model, same pings

IIRC they also explode the same way if you throw them

[glacial topaz]

what "same pings" means ?
can't be dialogue as that would not make sense for some lines
is it the same name for the item ?

[wicked cave]

voice lines for pinging the item are the same

and indeed, the voice lines you get when pinging the batteries do not make sense in the context of the Caretaker

definitely stands out as a bug

[glacial topaz]

could be worth reporting, if it is not already

will adjust to focus on the model instead of the "lines"

[wicked cave]

yeah, looks like it's not on pleasefix

[glacial topaz]

also, S2 cosmetic costs for weapon skins are missing
anyone was working on those ?
not that it is hard to get, but in case someone was on it already

[tame plover]

Makes me wonder if you can use them in the event

[wicked cave]

hah, that would be interesting

[glacial topaz]

just depends on which damage type it does

[glacial topaz]

wait... are all armor upgrade costs wrong on the wiki ?
the mineral costs is like 10-30 units for stuff
but the data I am finding is more like 100-300 units

[arctic prairie]

I was checking the wiki today to see how far the Voicelines section has progressed since I last worked on it, and the Laserpointer section which I made was and still is completely broken, with incorrect layering and also missing the outline around the table. Also I was wondering if their was a symbol which means that the voice line quote is speculation, since I have no clue what the dwarf is actually saying.

[glacial topaz]

which one you have no clue

[arctic prairie]

In the unused section it's the third one from the top, which I used the ***** symbol.

The mangy packer one.

I'm pretty certain that's not what they say, because I have no clue what that even means.

Also appears the table on Fandom is fine, but not on Wiki.gg.

[glacial topaz]

it just says "I'm on your side, you mange packer!"

you could just get the text from the translations, instead of trying to understand what they say...

[arctic prairie]

Most of the time I get them straight from the subtitles in the game, but where would I get the translations?

[short cloud]

you can always ask me or check yourself on Crowdin

up to you

I can provide the link

[glacial topaz]

:S where do you think I got this

[arctic prairie]

Oh, that would've really helped back then and if I ever do decide to add more voice lines it will help.

[arctic prairie]

I thought you knew what it actually said.

[glacial topaz]

"you could just get the text from the translations"

[short cloud]

#babelfish-lounge pinned message, at the end of the translator list
it's not a hidden secret. If you ever feel like you want to help with translation, feel free as well

wiki editors and translators can always need the help

[arctic prairie]

I found the link to that site, but how do you access the voiceline files?

[short cloud]

there's a search bar you can use and every voiceline has source location displayed under them
for voicelines, you wanna look for this :

in this case, if you wanted to look for laser pointing voicelines, you'd search for "Shout LaserPointer"

once you're familiar with how the strings are classified, finding what you need is but a matter of seconds
and if you know one, or a few words from the voiceline, you can also just search for that too

for any other questions you might have about crowdin, I suggest we take the discussion to DMs or to #babelfish-lounge, up to your preference

[whole stirrup]

Wiki seems to say that there is a maximum possible total of 2 meteor impacts and 2 meteor showers than can happen in a mission

So it made me think the game would roll 4 times at the start of each mission to see if they would happen

[glacial topaz]

Sounded like 4 times for each individual meteor
Though iirc the %range is per mission size ?
So 25% for shorter , up to 33% for longer ones
Not sure if those values are known for each case

[short cloud]

as far as I know those values are still correct, unless they changed them

[flint cedar]

hi that was me, i joined the server recently and just noticed there was a wiki channel

from what i gathered, both gold and nitra actually give 2xp instead of 1 like it was before, so if the 150-250 gold per compressed chunk stated in the page is right, it should be double that for xp and credits

[acoustic scarab]

Are you sure the extra XP wasn't from the hazard bonus?

[junior siren]

Please help me understand. On the 2nd hazard, I shoot at the praetorian with the M1000. 65 damage * 2 focused shot = 130, praetorian has 30% resistance = 91 damage but resistance modifier for 2nd hazard = 0.55 giving 165.45 damage. The Praetorian has 487.5 hp. According to calculations, I should kill him in ~3 (2.94) focused shots, but in reality it turns out 4. Why is that? Is this a bug on the wiki?

[trail gust]

65 damage * 2 focused shot = 130
correct
praetorian has 30% resistance = 91 damage
Praetorian has no elemental resistance to kinetic damage. Its damage resistance stays 1.0 as well. Still 130.
resistance modifier for 2nd hazard = 0.55
LargeEnemyResistance for 2 Hazard: 0.65 / 0.75 / 0.90 / 1.00 — 1, 2, 3, 4 players accordingly.
So for one player it's 130 / 0.65 = 200.
The Praetorian has 487.5 hp
Praetorian's base hp is 750. You either apply Hazard Scaling to his hp (then it'll be called Effective HP) or to weapon damage, like I just did in the previous step.
I should kill him in ~3 (2.94) focused shots, but in reality it turns out 4.
750 / 200 = 3.75 according to my calculations, which is 4 shots.

I used these sources for my calculations:
DRG Hazard File Scaling: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ygMn4sHAx0jvgRK0qa9LAOIcETnznkh1MtVLgsfu0ik
Table with Creature Stats: https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Creature_Table

[glacial topaz]

where did 30% resistance came from ?
maybe they are looking into something added on the wrong wiki ?

[short cloud]

hazard resistance scaling or piercing resistance ?

[glacial topaz]

bit confused on where the mistake appears

[short cloud]

I think it was most likely someone taking the resistance to piercing damage into account when they shouldn't

[glacial topaz]

oh guess they were using breakthrough mods and thought "that probably means piercing damage"

[flint cedar]

i mined and deposited exactly 10 gold like 2 times in every hazard level and aborted and got the same results, same for nitra in different runs

the only explanation would be some different calculation when completing the mission

[short cloud]

S4 roadmap

(sorry guys, have to drop it in here apparently and not in #drg-gallery )

[acoustic scarab]

Thank you based dev

[short cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/672561009738907703.gif?v=1

[silent dove]

Mod*

[junior siren]

thanks a lot for the clarification!

[jaunty hawk]

Does anyone have a list of the health values of the bugs from the legacy 2018 version (update 11) (preferably with hazard 4 scaling) ? Also do weakpoints have a damage multiplier in that version?

[short cloud]

The answer to the second question is : yes, they do have weakpoints.

I think the scaling is the same for the difficulty, apart from praetorian having half HP but I could be wrong.

[jaunty hawk]

Maybe it's just the warthog having a wider spread that's throwing me off then. Ty for the answer.

[short cloud]

take it with a grain of salt, I'm not 100% sure. It's just what I recall but it's been so long, I could be very wrong.

[trail gust]

Base values:
Warrior: 90
Praetorian: 400 with x1.5 wp
Swarmer: 12
Dreadnought: 3000 + 2000 shell (51% explosion res, 51% fire res), x1.5 wp
Web Spitter: 40
Acid Spitter: 120
Spitballer: 400 with 100% fire weakness
Exploder: 20
Hazard 4 values:

EnemyDamageResistance:
1.0,
1.1,
1.2,
1.3
SmallEnemyDamageResistance:
1.2,
1.2,
1.2,
1.2
Hazard 3 values:
EnemyDamageResistance:
0.9,
0.9,
1.0,
1.1
SmallEnemyDamageResistance
0.9,
0.9,
1.0,
1.1

[jaunty hawk]

Tysm!

[hollow bluff]

I'm trying to update this image https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/File:DRG_Game_Edition.jpg but when I try to upload the new one I get this error, "File extension ".jpg" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/png)."
How do I fix it?

[white plume]

I'm assuming the image has to be a png and not a jpg

[hollow bluff]

I'm trying to change it to this one

[white plume]

Nvm, yours is a png but it has to be a jpeg

[glacial topaz]

you know that eror is saying "you are using a png file while you are saying it is a jpeg file"
so pick one

[hollow bluff]

I have atempted to upload the image as png, jpg and jpeg but still no luck

[austere fossil]

Are you just changing the file extension or actually converting it?

[hollow bluff]

I don't know, all I want to do is change the image to be up to date

I'm new to uploading images

[hollow bluff]

I found a way to convert it and now I have updated the image

Thanks for the help

[tame plover]

seasonal events page on mobile is all the way on the left, causing text below images to get cut off.

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Seasonal_Events

[hexed needle]

does hot bullets have some aoe heat on impact?

i've noticed while killing swarmers that they play the ignite sound and lots will die quickly

[cerulean berry]

hot bullets, no. you may be igniting an enemy which is then heating up and burning nearby swarmers

[hexed needle]

i see

probably the same for burning nightmare normal shots then?

[tame plover]

If you have heavy hitter + burning nightmare equiped the normal shots do aoe heat for some reason

[short cloud]

yes
burning enemies propagate heat

[short cloud]

aaaah, love the janky ass EPC 😂

[floral drift]

i've heard reports that EPC normal shot AoE heat was fixed

[hybrid oar]

Ok so yesterday in #bug-discussion I noticed abnormally xp mission rewards and was told to head to this channel. I now have some screenshots to show. Thoughts?

[glacial topaz]

what is abnormal there ?

[short cloud]

the xp

unless the value on the wiki are wrong

[glacial topaz]

the sum is correct

[short cloud]

isn't egg hunt supposed to reward 950xp before multiplier ?

[wicked cave]

also curious what's up with 0 survival bonus

[short cloud]

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Experience

the value, for comparison purpose

[wicked cave]

or is this some kind of mod that's removing multipliers or something to get at the base XP?

[short cloud]

did you try doing missions in safe mode on steam ? So all mods are disabled

[wicked cave]

2300xp for a H5 OSR is just...way off

[short cloud]

base xp for OSR for the primary is 1800 xp

so yeah

My supposition is something is up with some mods

but if it's not modded, I have no idea where that bug is coming from, I didn't notice usually low xp in my games lately

[hybrid oar]

Console

[short cloud]

so no mods

okay

so something is severely broken

[hybrid oar]

Hold on

[tame plover]

How did you get the 0x survival bonus?

[short cloud]

It looks like you're losing those games and only getting a fraction of the xp

that's the only thing I can think of

[tame plover]

That's what I am thinking too

[short cloud]

explain the 0 survival bonus too

[wicked cave]

good call

[short cloud]

@hybrid oar did you exist those mission normally, without doing anything fancy ?

[glacial topaz]

the secondary / primary ratio is the same as if getting the "expected ammount"

[hybrid oar]

I got the 4 eggs, the secondary, I think the anniversary trophy as well

[glacial topaz]

which probably means it is using the same multiplier

[short cloud]

I think the game is counting it as losses

so he only gets 25%

and no survival bonus

no idea why tho

[hybrid oar]

Something more confusing in a minute

[shell frigate]

Yeah it's exactly 25% of the expected value (accounting for it's rounding)

[tame plover]

Only way I know of to make this happen is by clipping into the pod on salvage before doing the objectives

[glacial topaz]

(1800 x 2.53 ) / 4 = ~1138

[shell frigate]

May be a console unique bug

[short cloud]

if it is, I'll ping a dev about it but I wanna get to the bottom of it first

[hybrid oar]

2614XP

Here is XP before and after the mission

[shell frigate]

Huh so just a endsscreen visual bug?

[short cloud]

is it for the same mission or it's a different one ?

[hybrid oar]

I guess so? Although 8K for a 1-1 egg hunt is also off to me

[hybrid oar]

Yeah those images I just sent are all around the same mission

[shell frigate]

Completely diffrent gold value here

[short cloud]

sounds about right to me, it's about 4000-4500xp for both objectives without factoring in the rest (enemies, minerals etc)

8k for 1-1 egg hunt is what I'd expect on everage

[hybrid oar]

Hmm ok, so I guess it's visual. Doing another to make sure

[short cloud]

sure

[short cloud]

before you do

another way to check

take a screenshot of your credits before the mission and after the mission

as well as the xp

and send me it with the mission end screen

I'll send all of this to a dev

[hybrid oar]

Ok so the one from earlier

[short cloud]

and we'll open an issue on PleaseFix too, to get more info

[hybrid oar]

Alright cheers

[tame plover]

It still works but only with heavy hitter.

[short cloud]

uh-oh

[tame plover]

I made a bug report about it a while back but it got archived

[hybrid oar]

I think this, despite being visual hinders the performance pass, around 450 perf. points

[short cloud]

thank you

it's perfect

[hybrid oar]

Glad to help

[short cloud]

I'll forward a bug report
in the meantime, open an issue on PleaseFix and let me know once it's done, I'll upvote it

#bug-discussion message

[hybrid oar]

On it

[dusty flint]

Im trying to find info on cave gen changes but I can't really find what im looking for

[short cloud]

what info are you looking for ?

[dusty flint]

specifically, was there ever cave gen removed from the game?

[short cloud]

that's a tough one

[dusty flint]

I know plenty was added, but were there some taken away

[short cloud]

maybe @bold plover will know ?

since he's been playing with cave gen a bit

[dusty flint]

im thinking of one specific structure from the fungus bogs where its a vertical cylinder, with weird q tip looking platforms extruding from the floor

[cerulean berry]

ever, as in since the inception of the game?

[short cloud]

that's also a good question

any time window ?

[dusty flint]

I can try to find when I first started playing

I think last summer

I have a beutiful illustrated diagram but I cannot post it

[cerulean berry]

there have definitely been some that have been removed from the game files, but i do not know if they were necessarily included in terrain gen in the first place

if you want to explore current room generators, sandbox utilities has some maps where you can fly around and view them, might be able to answer your question regarding whether a particular one is still in the game

[dusty flint]

it seemed to be like a "if you want to keep going do parkour with ceiling grass in the way. if you fall, have fun down there ig"

I havent yet looked for it in the legacy mode or whatever its called

[cerulean berry]

i also made a video of said map in season 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Kon1ytXds

[hybrid oar]

@short cloud where do I send the link?

[short cloud]

in DMs or in #bug-discussion I suppose

[bold plover]

Was it a spherical room for the outer bounds and in the middle it was a pit with rounded columns that you have to jump between to reach the other side?

[dusty flint]

exactly

[bold plover]

That's still in the game as far as I know, but I do not recall the specific asset name.

[short cloud]

I can confirm I still see this formation in the game at times

[wicked cave]

sounds like RMA_Tiny_Steps08 from AS's video above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Kon1ytXds&t=1327s

[dusty flint]

I haven't seen it recently, the only time I've seen it in the fungus bogs a long time ago

yep, thats it

[bold plover]

Well, there can be multiple reasons for that.

[short cloud]

I feel like it specifically shows up often in elimination and mining mission, usually.

As well as a bit biome specific maybe.

[dusty flint]

i cant believe i could literally get the asset name as an answer so fast

[short cloud]

the knowledge of the DRG nerds is vast

😂

[wicked cave]

also, I watched the video and read the comments about 30 min ago, and AS explicitly called out that and one other prefab as infamous 🙂

[dusty flint]

it was very vivid memory for me

I was still new and did not yet know what hoxxes had in store

[bold plover]

Time to make a whole map out of it.

[short cloud]

which other is the infamous one ? Is it the cross-double level shaped one ?

I hate that one

[wicked cave]

yeah, what I call "floating logs"
EDIT: RMA_MediumCenter01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Kon1ytXds&t=674s

[short cloud]

I knew it

I hate it so much

[bold plover]

I have died there a lot, lol.

[short cloud]

time to make a whole mission type out of it to annoy people

[dusty flint]

with the new update we got a huge cave we hadn't seen before in crystal caverns i think

[short cloud]

combine the two for maximum annoyance

[bold plover]

Point extraction specifically got new caves.

[dusty flint]

I would put a satchel at the bottom and wait for someone to cross it and pitfall them

[short cloud]

was it the giant L shaped one with pathways all over the ceiling ?

[dusty flint]

it was one tall room, there were pathways higher up

of course it might have just been coincidence that I didn't get that cave earlier

[wicked cave]

would be a cool project to automate the cataloguing / dumping / 3d rendering of each cave prefab for inclusion in the wiki

[dusty flint]

im not the most seasoned veteran

[short cloud]

this kind of pathway ?

[dusty flint]

im not sure, there were lots of big crystals though

[short cloud]

it's not a new one but it's fairly rare

got added with the update that brought us escort missions I believe

[bold plover]

Usually on 400 morkite

[dusty flint]

I prob assumed it was new snce its new to me and it was the first map I got upon updating

[floral drift]

yeah, i know that one. i've only seen it in 3/3 morkite or 3/3 escort missions

i call it "walkway" in my head

[short cloud]

that's where you'll see it, with the 400 morkite mission

[glacial topaz]

all things considered it should pretty easy to tell if new templates have been altered, and how many

[short cloud]

good name

[bold plover]

I know that they removed some RMAs.

I brought it up with the devs and they didn't believe me but my game crashed frequently due to it.

[short cloud]

what are RMAs and why did it make your game crash ? If you don't mind me explaining me ?

[floral drift]

yeah. walkway and another massive tile (internally referred to as "horseshoe") have massive performance hits. i can literally tell when loading an Escort mission if walkway or horseshoe are in the map just by how long the loading screen is

[cerulean berry]

RMA = room generator aka map tile, what the video i posted is showing

[short cloud]

thank you

[short cloud]

is horseshoe the giant cylindric one that often has domes all around ?

[trail gust]

I saw some differences even in the old RMAs between S03 and the video.

[dusty flint]

I think my drawing was pretty close to that room prefab

[floral drift]

negative. i refer to that one as "cauldron" in my head

[dusty flint]

especially for such an old memory

I felt like I was being gaslit and the deep rock I remembered playing was so different

[floral drift]

fun trivia about Cauldron: i've seen it have anywhere from 2 - 5 domes, so i think that's not preset

[short cloud]

yeah, I've seen it with a salvage pod on one isolated dome

it was quite the sight

never knew it could show up on salvage until then

might have been your mod tempering with it maybe Banagement but I don't recall using it at this time around

[bold plover]

Bare in mind that biomes affect the layouts of RMAs by distorting the overall sizing of things - not including the different terrain decorations. So the video is showing the base layout if NOT affected by biome.

[cerulean berry]

also room generators can have random features so there can be different variations that are not demonstrated in the video either

[bold plover]

You just need to get a role from #welcome-and-rules to post images.

[trail gust]

There are 2 things that make recognizing rma not an easy task:

1. Entering tunnel merges with a cave.
2. Meteorites / Lithos.

[dusty flint]

they were a bit higher up but close enough

[short cloud]

@floral drift found a screenshot of the one salvage pod on the dome

[dusty flint]

it was such a distant memory i wasn't sure if i made it up

[dusty flint]

I love when they flatten those coral things

[trail gust]

those appendages can move up and down easily I think, I've seen it for other rmas as well

[short cloud]

no coral here, it's salt pits 😄

[dusty flint]

i know its salt cave but thats what it reminds me of

[short cloud]

because of all the possible combination and variation, there are caves I've never seen more than once despite 1800+ hours

[bold plover]

There's two RMAs using those balls afaik. One that I usually see in Egg Hunt which is like 3-5 total balls.

[floral drift]

watching this video right now. i think these are the massive rooms in my head:
"walkway" = #20 RMA_BigBridge02
"horseshoe" = #21 RMA_BigBridge03
"cauldron" = #80 RMA_Plateaus

[bold plover]

What armor parts of enemies were not receiving damage? Praetorian right toe armor or something?

[glacial topaz]

let's get some opinions
"The Web Spitters Web Spit attack smells like waffles according to the video introducing the Web Spitter." https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Glyphid_Web_Spitter&curid=479&diff=33069&oldid=32564
However, I think not even the video is so sure about it, could be a surprise (but then I would expect "?!" and not "?") or trying to to identify the smell, but not being so sure

and "According to the announcement before a special Praetorian swarm, a group of Praetorians is called a pack." https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Glyphid_Praetorian&curid=3570&diff=33070&oldid=32579
while indeed there is a lot of lines saying "pack of praetorians" isn't that word generic (?) enough to not be related to praetorians ?

[bold plover]

pack of macteras have picked up your scent

[glacial topaz]

the sentence I could find is
"Bad news, team. A swarm of Macteras have caught your scent."

[bold plover]

fair enough

[glacial topaz]

still
is a "pack" a "group of praetorians, for sure, no way or not enough info to tell

[woeful jackal]

I uploaded pictures of the GSG Guardian armor paintjobs, but for some reason the Scout's picture is invisible. The same thing happened with the Gunner's Dark Neon paintjob when everything was brought over from the older wiki.
EDIT: To clarify, the images still work when I click on the "Original File" link on the image's pages, but the thumbnail previews seem to be completely broken on just these two image files.

[tired fiber]

To anyone who has completed Aniversary assigment...Did you get the paper crown?

[short cloud]

the paper crown is not awarded after the assignment event, it was just given back to people who lost it because of a bug on the previous patch

[tired fiber]

But they got it from 4th anniversary assignment in the first place, did they not?

[short cloud]

I believe so, yes

[tired fiber]

It seem strange that they just dropped second anniversary event item on 4th anniversary event, but now you get only 5th anniversary event hat and paper crown is like no one has ever heard of it...

[lost flint]

@weary sonnet you edited the impact axe page to remove the bit about the first instance of melee direct damage not being affected by the frozen condition. But that seems to still be the case from testing

[weary sonnet]

Just tested it again in game, it changed back indeed and isn’t affect by frozen anymore.
Updated the wiki page.

[lost flint]

nice. Also, apparently it's even weirder than just not being affected by frozen. According to SplitSentro that first component

1. doesn't do damage at all when you hit an unfrozen praetorian with it normally

2. doesn't do damage when you hit a praetorian's leg armor

3. does do damage if you hit a praetorians's body armor

[short cloud]

that praetorian leg armour being the most powerful thing in the DRG universe

[silent sierra]

Not the left toe, though.

[weary sonnet]

The property json "DamageComponentType": "EDamageComponentType::Secondary",Probably doesn’t help too.

[outer yoke]

Is it known how many Lootbugs spawn in a mission on average?

Or in general, the determining factors

[glacial topaz]

some parameters are known, but never heard here a definitive explanation on how they are used

[outer yoke]

Okay, is it known how many can spawn for example in one OSR mission?

[glacial topaz]

Nay

[outer yoke]

So what parameters are known?

[glacial topaz]

:S technical stuff that I checked long ago and can't remember (think max lootbugs per room, spawn chances, etc)
and I never tested because I never saw anyone ask for it

[outer yoke]

Guess I'm first

[bold plover]

40 max on OSR, affected by DNA scaling and room spawns, OSR specifically uses per room critter spawning which results in more than usual.

[outer yoke]

For no reason at all... ||Keep your eyes on the subreddit...||

[outer yoke]

Whoa, that's a lot more than i thought

[outer yoke]

What's DNA scaling though? Lootbug mother genes?

[bold plover]

The dumbed down version is a multiplier on most cave generation to affect enemy, critter, resource and objective counts as well as map gen room types and quantities.

[outer yoke]

Okay, sounds like some very complicated techin- techniti- TECH STUFF

[bold plover]

Different per mission type but the lowest in vanilla is 70 (0.7x) and the highest is 200 (2x).

100 (1x) results in the specified base objective count such as 2 mini mules for salvage

[glacial topaz]

guessing that "SpawnAmountPerRoom: 2-4" and "SpawnAmountPerLevel: 7-9" are Not being used on the calculations ?

[bold plover]

should be

40 max is the critter cap for osr

which can be shared by multiple things depending on biome

however once the cap is not met it will spawn lootbugs in a local room in osr if they were not able to spawn before due to hitting the cap

[tame plover]

Sorry for bringing up this old convo, but i've been wondering a bit about it lately. Whenever I tell people that the JFH guiding randomly cuts off people tell me it's just due to the high speed that it feels that way. But it is actually happening right?

Can someone explain to me why it happens (if it does happen)? According to SplitSentro 'Changing HomingAccelerationMagnitude in ProjectileComponent' fixes it. I don't know anything about the technical stuff so what does HomingAccelerationMagnitude do and why does it fix it?

[bold plover]

the strength of the lock on

[tame plover]

strength as in how long the rocket can be guided or how fast it can react/turn?

[bold plover]

react and turn

[tame plover]

But then why would the rocket just stop reacting? In the second part of this clip you can see how in the first sharp turn the rocket reacts as expected but when I quickly change my aim again, some of them go in a straight line, seemingly not reacting.

[trail gust]

My first guess was that JFH rockets are too fast and that affects their turning ability. There's probably some threshold in lock-on algorithm, exceeding which rockets ignore that particular movement if it appears it's impossible for rocket to turn at such angle momentarily.

I also heard that it's easier to hit Patrol Bot without T2A upgrade, than with it. It's likely because it launches at max velocity with JFH, and even increased turn rate can't quite compensate further speed increase, hence general quality of lock-on becomes worse overall.

[tame plover]

That makes sense, thank you both for explaining!

[vapid musk]

Is there not a page for the soundtrack?

[tame plover]

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Downloadable_Content#Original_Soundtrack if you're talking about the music tracks

[vapid musk]

ah okay, I was looking for more detail besides a listing
I was wondering if each biome had a selection of tracks that would play in it or if it was basically completely random

[glacial topaz]

Pretty sure that instead of biomes the difference is more like exploring, swarm and boss
having that info wouldn't be a bad idea

[covert sinew]

Alright. Because I see no mention of it on the wiki page for Zhukovs..

Does Zhukovs Conductive Bullets mod, add the bonus +30% dmg to electrically affected. As Electric type dmg?
I'd assume yes, iirc, Volatile Bullets on Bulldog is fire type dmg, and Stubby's own Conductive bullets is Electric type dmg -

Just wanted to get confirmation on it.

[glacial topaz]

can't confirm it for sure
but at least I see a "DMG_Electric" for it
guess it is a detail that got overlooked and not included on wiki / confirmed

[trail gust]

Zhukov T5A Conductive Bullets:
+33% direct damage dealt to electrocuted enemies as Electric element

Among all +dmg-to-electrocuted-targets upgrades, only Magnetic Shafts do it as Kinetic dmg bonus

BoM is also kinetic, but it's not electricity-exclusive

[gaunt cipher]

small question here: does the bug where armor scales up with difficulty scaling only affect health-based armor, or does it also affect strength-based armor like on a grunt?

clearly it applies to health-based but I feel like I saw discussion on it potentially applied to both a bit back, don't remember/can't find

[gaunt cipher]

actually I'll just go test this with gas recycling since that has just enough armor damage that it should be just barely over 100% chance to break grunt armor if the bug doesn't apply, and just under if it does

[vestal oar]

hello wiki people, is there any way i can see the stats of older versions weapons/upgrades?

[floral drift]

let me look up some tests i was doing a few months ago, i think i figured it out...

from November 2022:

• Test #2: do ArmorStrength plates divide the Armor Damage by Normal Difficulty Scaling, like ArmorHealth does?
  Engineer, Lok-1, T1.A +6 damage for 27 total and 150% AB -> 40.5 Armor Damage. tested vs an Acid Spitter with ArmorStrength 10. because 40.5/10 > 4, it should have 100% chance to break on every shot, and because AB > 100% it should always do full damage. observed results: 2 bodyshots dealt 40.5 damage to the Acid Spitter's health. at Haz4, that means those two shots actually dealt 48.6 damage. the only way to have two 27-damage shots do 48.6 damage is if one of them got reduced by -20% when passing through an armor plate without breaking it. therefore, that proves that it's not 100% chance to break. from that, I concluded that it was also affected by Normal Scaling Resistance, but really it just means that something is preventing it from doing the intended damage.

[floral drift]

in November, I convinced myself that ArmorStrength is affected by Normal Difficulty Resistance.

[gaunt cipher]

Yeah, the results of my(admittedly not totally foolproof) testing just now is that it doesn't seem to be. no idea what's up with that Lok setup though

[floral drift]

i had to do the Lok-1 tapfire vs Acid Spitters test up to like 80 trials before an armor plate did not break

but, it didn't break, which would indicate that it's not 100% chance to break, therefore it's doing less than 40 ArmorDamage

[trail gust]

Ok, so I did 2 tests just now. I equipped GK2, then set its dmg to be 20 with 3 ArmorDamageMultiplier real quick (so 60/15=4), then I was switching all environmental resistances (hazard ones) between 1 and 100. I noticed no difference between 2 custom difficulties.
Then I set it to be 20 with 2 ArmorDamageMultiplier, same test but for Acid Spitter... And I noticed nothing different either.

Then one more thing. Some stuff just straight doesn't break on any difficulty (and I've read smth about that before in Evan's doc), very rarely it finally decides to break after some time or mb after switching shot angle or destroying other pieces.

[floral drift]

🤔 so maybe what i was testing was the linked-armor-plate bug, and not the ArmorDamage of Lok-1?

[trail gust]

So as of now, you need to take dozens of tries before making any conclusions.

[floral drift]

i think i ended up with nearly 200 tests or something

[trail gust]

And I did that, the answer is still no, it doesn't look to be affected by hazard resistances.

[floral drift]

alright, thanks SplitSentro!

[graceful canopy]

I do not know if this belong here but could someone explain to me how does the friendly fire damage multiplier works thanks

[shell frigate]

Should be on the difficulty page

[short cloud]

yeah but the difficulty page don't cover the friendly fire multiplier from specific weapons though

[graceful canopy]

oh ok thx I was looking in the damage page

[shell frigate]

Ah, time for a whole new page

[graceful canopy]

but does this means that this does 100% of friendly fire or that you do not take any damage

[short cloud]

doesn't do FF damage

[graceful canopy]

ok I was confused because I played with someone that said he died to the explosions

[short cloud]

he likely died to something else but blamed it on the explosions

[graceful canopy]

yeah thx for your answers

[trail gust]

Both normal and Plasma Burster missiles have a lifetime of 30 seconds, and the maximum of homing missiles is 19 both for normal Hurricane and for PBM (after that with every excessive missile, another missile stops homing and slowly turns down crashing towards the ground).
T5A Nitroglycerin Compound gets capped by NitroglycerinMaxIncreaseTicks=10, so basically the maximum that you can get from this mod is +190 area damage (10 ticks for each of the 19 missiles).

[trail gust]

@floral drift PBM's direct damage is fully kinetic, PBM's radial damage is fully explosive. It can collide with creatures 5 times and it triggers its direct and radial dmg twice on destruction, i.e. when missile hits the ground or when missile hits a creature for the 5th time. In total, it's up to 6 dmg hits off 1 missile and a minimum of 2 radial dmg hits nearby.
Also for PBM MaxDamageRadius = 0.01 m, so it has radial dmg fall-off right from the start.

[floral drift]

where does this info come from? the DamageComponent listed in gamefile is Kinetic/Electric and half-converted to Fire i thought.

or some weird combination of elements

[trail gust]

As usual, I personally tested it in the game. I'm not sure how secondary damage components work, but PBM's projectile also inherits primary dmg component from the normal missile projectile (and, as I said, it overrides MaxDamageRadius in it and you can see it in the file without launching the game). For such testing, surely, I had to modify direct dmg, radial dmg, dmg radiuses of the normal projectile and remove dmg fall-off from the PBM's projectile. I did simple numbers like 0 direct and 1 radial damage, 0 radial and 1 direct dmg and so on. I tested it on at least 4 different creatures with modified global and elemental resistances to detect the correct damage type. That secondary damage component has 5 direct and 5 radial damage (probably defaults) with default radial dmg radius values and I didn't notice its work at all — all the primary dmg component modifications were reflecting on the actual dmg output 1 to 1. As usual, I was directly monitoring in-game health dmg value and also temperature value (confirmed t5a mod behavior just in case). That electric dmg conversion relates to the secondary dmg component, so it is not presented in the primary dmg component, hence there's no conversion at all. I also checked just in case if it's used exclusively for unbreakable or heavy armor (there were a couple of season 03 changes that affected that for other equipment) and no, only explosive dmg type reacting to customized explosive resistance has been noticed.

[alpine hamlet]

I see I now find wiki.gg in google as second entry

but at least with "official"

Interesting how top results in google automatically stay top by receiving false visits

[shell frigate]

The one thing fandom is good at is seo

[alpine hamlet]

What's seo? I only know Seoul

ah forget it. Search Engine Optimisation, my brain just remembered

[shell frigate]

Yes

[silent dove]

Better call Seoul?

[alpine hamlet]

Didn't that guy marry Heidi Klum?

[covert sinew]

Question regarding Lootbugs in the game.

How do they ''eat'' the mineral chunks?
Do they have a coded ''attack'' they do to the chunk, or is it a similar pick up system like Dwarves(players)?

[glacial topaz]

so either pickup by just being near it
or pickup by choosing to do so (even if they choose it everytime)

[covert sinew]

Mostly wondering if there is an actual ''attack'' they perform against the chunk, or near the chunk.

As the wiki states they have a ''Mineral Chomp'' attack

[weary sonnet]

The name "Mineral Chomp" is from the Miner’s Manual I think.

[glacial topaz]

the only effective difference is if it has a range ?
can't really find any "attack" for it, only maybe a signal for when it eats one
but not entirely sure

[floral drift]

a while ago, i stumbled across a gamefile about this. i'd have to look it up again, but i think it said like 20m radius for the mineral chunk it can target

[glacial topaz]

wouldn't that just be the behavior for where the lootbug is going ?

an attack implies lootbug can ignore chunks

[floral drift]

Content/Critters/LootBug/ENE_LootBug

then, the already known EatValueMultiplier 1.5.

i read those values like "every 15 seconds, Lootbug picks a new mineral chunk within 25m of it. it then spends its movement pathfinding to that chunk and trying to eat it."

[glacial topaz]

but is it a skill or regular pickup

[floral drift]

🤷‍♂️

if those are the only two choices, i'd say "skill". it's very obvious that they don't pick up chunks in a radius around them

[glacial topaz]

I guess one can argue the radius is smaller than the lootbug ?

[merry kernel]

No, it's quite definitely targeted as I've many times seen loot bugs crawl into a pile of minerals and only take one chunk out of it from a vein I mined while my inventory was full

[glacial topaz]

Like, multiple chunks clumped together ?

[bold plover]

They target one chunk to eat and walk away for 15s before targeting another one to consume. There is no attack for it, it's likely just a behavior tree event to consume.

[wicked cave]

Hmm. Deep dive wiki page (https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Deep_Dives) shows a fixed quantity of Mini M.U.L.E. repairs when it's a secondary objective in a deep dive (always 2 repairs). This week's deep dive has only 1 repair. I guess it's a range (1-2)?

[glacial topaz]

recent change ?
maybe not 50 / 50 chance for 1 or 2 ?

[wicked cave]

according to the deep dive archive at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cvRHDfmBKK8Ggmoga6A3PrlyBaunZpbQhZuy987gGKk/edit
this is the first time we've had "mule x1" as an objective

so it does seem like a recent change to enable only 1 mule to spawn, either that or reallllllly statistically unlikely to get just one 😅

[bold plover]

🤔

I mean, yes, it should be at least 2 according to the files but it is extremely unlikely that the spawning system would fail.

[glacial topaz]

were files checked for the recent DD ?

[bold plover]

Although there has been an update since I last dumped the files so I will double check.

[glacial topaz]

if that changed, might be worth checking for other DD mission changes

[bold plover]

The only way that I know of that could result in this is if the map gen used a short motherlode dna which has a 0.7x objective multiplier and the objective count is truncated.

I listed the new deep dive changes earlier but that was not one of them.

[trail gust]

That's what I see on this screen:

[wicked cave]

Ah, so maybe this is a more subtle bug

[short cloud]

or it's a typo

[trail gust]

But then it somehow becomes 1 in the game

[wicked cave]

well, folks are calling out that it's weird that there was only one mule in the DD

so it seems like a bug

[short cloud]

think I've seen it before but don't have anything to confirm it, so probably a rare bug yeah

[bold plover]

That is because the text =/= to the actual spawns.

[trail gust]

Ikr, it's probably the 2 that you see in the file.

[bold plover]

There are usually 3-4 variables for each objective asset. How many to attempt to spawn, how many spawned (updates the in-game objective widget and requirement to prevent failures), how many have been completed and how many remain.

[glacial topaz]

can one check what made the spawn fail ?

[bold plover]

Not really.

It uses a lambda function to find a suitable location, the only thing that I know of that can outright mess it up is too many "important locations" being present as map gen objects tend to have a minimum distance from important locations. But usually objective objects have a higher priority to spawn. They are actually really easy to mess up if the positioning data was changed though.

[shell frigate]

Has the custom font on the wiki gone for anyone else? Figured it out

[arctic prairie]

I've finally done the honours, again.

[shell frigate]

Nice

[potent nest]

Howdy, I just have I question, how do dwarfs use red sugar to heal themselves, do they just eat it how it is or something?

[weary sonnet]

According to a perk description and a dialog between the dwarves, it is eaten:

Getting a taste for that stuff! Get X% more healing from consuming Red Sugar!

"What do you mean you ate all the red sugar? We needed that!"

[tranquil coral]

hey, couldnt find anything anywhere if "Broadhead Bolts" for the crossbow scales the explosion or dot dmg of "Special Bolt: Chemical Explosion". does anyone know?

[trail gust]

No, I'm quite sure it's fixed damage. And that particular mod is likely still bugged - it wasn't giving plus area damage after the dmg components improvement in Patch 11 iirc

[stark tulip]

"What do you mean you ate all the red sugar? We needed that!"
never heard this one

[glacial topaz]

it just seems to come from the dense biozone quotes

[weary sonnet]

From what I see it can play in crystaline cavern, not sure if it is actually in game or not, but it is one of the string translated for the game in crowdin.
https://crowdin.com/translate/deep-rock-galactic/77/en-en?filter=basic&value=0#190214

[glacial topaz]

wait, so it is for 2 biomes, right

[weary sonnet]

Not sure, the string is linked to CrystalCaves which should be crystalline cavern, don’t see anything for dense biozone, but I don’t remember hearing it in game so not sure.

[glacial topaz]

if I search the quote, I can see 2 instances of it
strings "AE8497FF4CA73352C7EC77A9FBD6A437" and "B7F41AC5445A0715C7DC2A941BA7F0FE"

[fallen girder]

anybody knows what that is?

@here

[weary sonnet]

This is a machine event, in particular the Kursite Infection one.
You need a promoted dwarf on your team to have access to it.
https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Machine_Events#Kursite_Infection

[analog rock]

Also, I kinda recommend not trying to use the everyone or here mentions on public servers. If it hadn't been deactivated, you would have pinged about 200 000 people...

[cerulean berry]

i believe that would be the intention

[shell socket]

does the wiki have the list of armor break upgrades that are bugged?

[short cloud]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l7TSN99lW4LpHSArf5wyw1zAHQV4TUtdgHwWhzsj1p8/edit

[flint cedar]

when it says "every enemy killed" does it really mean every enemy?

mainly reffering to like, robots and swarmers

[sterile crescent]

Pretty sure; as long as its hostile, far as I could tell they drop a nugget

[bold plover]

yes

[flint cedar]

so a swarmaggedon would greatly help this

or letting a breeder do its thing and kill the babies

[bold plover]

just get a naedocyte breeder and you win

[flint cedar]

interesting

[sterile crescent]

Only possible exception I can think of is cave leaches, but that might be a bug (where the gold is clipping into the ceiling, or flying off where I couldn't find it)

[flint cedar]

that seems like the kind of mechanic that would have a bunch of asterisks

[sterile crescent]

Take that with a grain of salt though; never tested the mutator in a controlled environment

[bold plover]

The modifier is supposed to have restrictions from what I recall but they don't actually work so pretty much everything drops gold.

[flint cedar]

lmao

[bold plover]

Limited to Glyphids and Macteras in the files.

But it obviously doesn't work since Naedocytes are neither.

[flint cedar]

so a haz 5, complexity 3, length 3, swarmaggedon, point extraction mission would be the ideal golden bugs scenario

or maybe parasites also work so every bug you kill drops gold and another bug with more gold

[bold plover]

I mean, having to go to the minehead so often is annoying and gold is only worth like 5 credits per chunk.

[flint cedar]

still fun to think about

[bold plover]

Interestingly it is called Extermination Contract internally.

[sterile crescent]

Would make more sense in-universe I suppose

Not that the DRG universe is particularly sensible to begin with

[bold plover]

Bugs are paying you to kill them as fast as possible.

[flint cedar]

ok so with all of those every gold chunk gives 5.86 credits

[sterile crescent]

Which means every haul to and from Molly/the Minehead is worth, at most, slightly less than 360 credits

[bold plover]

Which is at most a pouch of 60?

[flint cedar]

in today's ted talk we will discuss dwarves' minimum wage

[sterile crescent]

Yeah; 60 * 6 (rounded up for the sake of mental math)

[flint cedar]

a bit better with 4 people

[bold plover]

Could kill 60 bugs total in an egg hunt and still make more on a hazard 1, probably.

[flint cedar]

but then you don't get the intrinsic satisfaction of lagging your game's fps with gold on every square foot

[sterile crescent]

Base pay, without bonus objectives, is 550 minimum, yeah

Before hazard bonuses, side objectives, bonus objectives, etc.

[bold plover]

lmao

[sterile crescent]

Just get driller to go mad with C4

[flint cedar]

if you figure out the size of a gold chunk you can vaguely convert the credits to irl money

[sterile crescent]

Also my mistake, that is with side objectives; minumum is actually 300

Dwarves are getting scammed if we do that conversion

That or gold is hyper deflated because of the exports from Hoxxes

[flint cedar]

every mission pays for at least 8.5 oily oafs

[sterile crescent]

Yeah; this is the "simple" egg hunt, for context

4 eggs, no side objectives or other sources of credits

0 hazard bonus

Haz 1 has a bonus of 25%, so the "real" minimum in game is actually 375

[gaunt cipher]

I've done longterm golden bugs swarmageddon farming before: #drg-gallery message

long story short, it's not really worth the time it takes

[bold plover]

Random question but is it known if armor break helps break the armor off of Nemesis? Searched for "armor" on the Nemesis wiki page with no results other than 200 base HP.

[floral drift]

i perceive it to help when i take Minigun T3.A armor break. i haven't tested it properly, though.

checking in-game now

confirmed, GK2 AB mod has a noticeable effect vs Nemesis armor plates.

[trail gust]

you can just tell it by its visual model

if anything is worth checking there, it's whether AB breaks those weak points faster or not

[floral drift]

it seemed to work as intended vs the plates on the lower half (taking 3 shots at Haz 2, 16 dmg * 600% -> 96/200), but not being as effective on the armor plates on the top half. seemed to take 6 shots on the upper half. however, that might be because the hitscan tracer wouldn't collide with the internal hitbox.

something i've noticed in the past about ArmorHealth plates is that hitscan weapons can only damage them if the tracer would damage the squishy body beneath the armor. the easiest way to test this is to stand in front of a Guard, shoot outwards through its foreleg. you can see the bullet impact terrain behind it even though the tracer passes through the armor plate, but no damage will be dealt to it.

so, maybe because i was on the ground shooting upward, i was "miss-hitting" the upper half of Nemesis' armor plates, causing it to not count half of the time 🤷‍♂️

hard to be above a Nemesis for long enough to get a good test result...

[glacial topaz]

not sure if it helps, but I colored those models based on information Ely gave to me

[floral drift]

🤔 hmm, well the AB is working but i think Nemesis might need to be added to Evan's spreadsheet. i was able to shoot one of its armor plates 17 times at 19 damage before it broke on Solo Haz4. that's like 323 damage, vs the expected 200*1.2 = 240. so like, 3/4 of the expected damage per shot. however, the AB does 6x of that, so it's 3 shots.

all this to say: yes, the Nemesis' ArmorHealth plates are for sure affected by Armor Breaking, like you would expect ✅
@bold plover

[trail gust]

I shot the top with modified m1k, while monitoring armor health values, the damage is affected by AB damage multiplier and SmallEnemyDamageResistance. I saw nothing unusual.

There are 9 armor plates at the top and 8 at the bottom, each has 200 hp.

[hexed needle]

were modifiers/warnings removed from sabotage entirely?

can't remember seeing any on sabotage since s3 released

[bold plover]

yes

0% chance now instead of 25%

[hexed needle]

strange

maybe rich atmosphere made it too tolerable

[weary sonnet]

For the nemesis, I was testing the location of the armor plates and reporting to omega for the model coloring. I didn’t actually test if the plates were actually taking more damage from armor break mods or not, I just tested rough hitbox and plates location basically.

[floral drift]

i spent about 3 hrs shooting the Nemesis last night. the black armor plates on the top and bottom are [Heavy - ArmorHealth] that take extra damage from AB as intended. the bottom engine, and the four corners around its model, are [Unbreakable] that take no damage.

[steep cedar]

What timezone does Ghost Ship Games function in?