rogue-core-chat

[fierce solstice]

Hmm

it's not locked

thanks for the tip

[static goblet]

what comment?

[fierce solstice]

Robert being yesterday's scapegoat

[static goblet]

Scapegoat for ?

[pearl tinsel]

Their stance pretty much seems to be that they're only going to seasons 2-4 level of content and not much in the way of even new OC's or biomes or missions

[fierce solstice]

People not liking the announcement at all since it delayed S5

[pearl tinsel]

I don't care about that so much that he pretty much said don't expect anything huge from season 5

Wich just tells me it's going to be more on the scale of rockpox

[static goblet]

Well, they are a team of like a few dozen, unlike those triple As with hundreds of "professionals".

[fierce solstice]

well

if it's the same size as S1 & S3 i'm fine

[pearl tinsel]

S3 was much smaller than season 1, even without the guns

[fierce solstice]

Was it ?

[pearl tinsel]

Yeah

[static goblet]

Just new Rockpox enemies

[pearl tinsel]

No new mission, only a mutator and one season event

[static goblet]

and some new nades

Or was it?

[pearl tinsel]

Like he even said adding new overclocks pretty much wasn't on the table, which is just bleh

[fierce solstice]

Well if we compare

Season 1 :

• Sabotage
• Rival enemies
• New primaries

Season 3 :

• Lithophage mutator
• Rockpox enemies
• New grenades

[icy vapor]

I'd imagine that was mainly to temper expectations; S05 isn't in development for 12+ months, it's not even looking to start real development until after Rogue Core goes into closed beta from the sound of their stream today. I think that was the big part of not expecting a massive season just based on time passed.

[fierce solstice]

Unless i'm missing something

[fierce solstice]

I don't mind no new overclocks

However i'm irritated at them not throwing a major balance patch

[icy vapor]

Maintenance patch slated for November, we'll see what that brings.

[fierce solstice]

Maintenance is quite vague

[icy vapor]

Intentionally, until they lock down what they can manage in a few weeks.

[pearl tinsel]

Season 1:

• 2 standard enemies plus turrets,
• full new mission type including the most complex boss in the game
• Prospector
• Data deposit

Season 3:

• Lithophage mutator
• 3 rockpoxed reskinned enemy variants
• meteors

The small meteors tend to be more of an annoyance and have very little added gameplay

[fierce solstice]

i find all meteors to be an annoyance

data deposit were actually fun

harder versions of hacking stations

[pearl tinsel]

I think season 2 was the peak of fun I had with the game

[fierce solstice]

the meteors however are boring

Ah yes

[icy vapor]

Now now, they add a new way to fall to your death when they land one level below you and you fall down the hole they make.

[fierce solstice]

prepatch nemesis

[pearl tinsel]

Don't mind nemesis now, didn't mind him then. He was scary af

[fierce solstice]

Sometimes i wonder if doing a seasonal system was a good idea

[pearl tinsel]

(It wasn't)

[fierce solstice]

1.0 nemesis was hilarious

[pearl tinsel]

After a theme is over it's pretty much sunsetted outside of the main mission thingy

I miss rival presence and nemmy

[fierce solstice]

It grabbing hack-c or you through shields/iron will was the peak of nonsense

[pearl tinsel]

Yeah, but I still enjoyed the similar level of fear it invokes to a bulk det

I just wish he could still appear in sabo, and rival presence was more common

[fierce solstice]

when nemesis could spawn several times at once

S2 was the peak for sure

[pearl tinsel]

I mean it definitely was for me

Had the most seasonal content to play around with

Unbalanced aspects aside

Suddenly all of that goes away come season 3 and we're stuck grinding meteors over and over

[static goblet]

Well, there is only so much content that a small group could pump out before wearing down...

[pearl tinsel]

That's not really what I mean

[fierce solstice]

The problem isn't about the quantity

it's about quality too

[pearl tinsel]

The way they're having players interact with the season content is kinda what I find unenjoyable, especially with rockpox

[static goblet]

Fair point.

[fierce solstice]

Rockpox literally destroys the pace of the game for me

[pearl tinsel]

Rockpox enemies only emerge when you're busy doing something else, they aren't involved with any of the season events, and have very little interaction outside of that

Why they don't work more like rival presence where they're mixed into swarms is what I find dissappinting about them

[static goblet]

If any of you could decide what should the next season be about, what would you say?

[pearl tinsel]

New biome and/or mission

[static goblet]

Specifics please? (EG: Under water, but GSG to my knowledge said no to it)

[pearl tinsel]

Give me more content that actually sticks around when the season is done

[fierce solstice]

caustic mire momento

Also the rogue core B biome looks really sick

[pearl tinsel]

Season events also have the issue of being absolutely overused during the season, and then nearly absent afterward

It makes them unenjoyable

[timber berry]

$50 bucks that there will be new weapons in the roguelike that will be added to the main game

[static goblet]

Is it because it is ... a lot more darker?

[fierce solstice]

Not just that

The design itself makes it look like you're in the middle of a swamp or some kind of dead forest

which i find interesting

[pearl tinsel]

Not sure. Rogue core weapons don't need as much to be added since they probably won't have as specific of skill trees or overclocks

That's generally how roguelites are anyways

[fierce solstice]

DRG Survivors already has new weapons

[pearl tinsel]

Yeah but those are unlikely to be added to drg any time soon

[fierce solstice]

It wouldn't be surprising to see them in rogue tho

[timber berry]

Well in any case if it’s going to be a “prelude” to it I assume there will be overlap

[pearl tinsel]

I'm expecting it to be a mission or one of the rogue core biomes

I just want new overclocks to be honest. They might be somewhat hard to fit into the game balance wise, but it's a total steal compared to adding new weapons

[fierce solstice]

The cryonade's gravitational field OC

[viscid dove]

h

[elder rapids]

they also don't need to be as specific as they are definitively for combat dwarves, not miners

[pearl tinsel]

I respect their honesty about future content but it's also just really disheartening that they pretty much said not to expect any kind of change from the current decline in exciting things being added

[elder rapids]

nonono they said expect nothing gamechanging

[pearl tinsel]

Right

Which to me read: don't expect anything better than season 3-4

[elder rapids]

i imagine rogue core has the idea guys and gals firing on all cylinders

[static goblet]

Much better than a certain game with 2 in its name
Overwatch 2 (In how they handle their... "honesty")

[fierce solstice]

risk of sus ?

[pearl tinsel]

That could apply to a lot of games lol

[elder rapids]

yeah i totally agree, payday 2 is bad

[pearl tinsel]

Titanfall 2, team fortress 2, risk of rain 2

[fierce solstice]

what's strange about payday 2 is how freaking funny it is

even though it's very bad compared to other games

[elder rapids]

it's a dumb fun wave shooter

[pearl tinsel]

I just am not really interested in drg now at this point

[fierce solstice]

fair

[pearl tinsel]

Rogue core yes, actual drg? I had fun but they're clearly not looking to do anything big with it anymore

[fierce solstice]

Did the devs explain what drove them to take this decision ?

[elder rapids]

started out as a gamemode for DRG then ballooned as time went on

[fierce solstice]

Instead of, for example, release S5 with a completely different theme & enough content, then announcing S6 (which is the current S5) & rouge a year later ?

[static goblet]

I believe it is like, they wanting to be able to add something new, but without the constant restrictions of things like game balance, game flow etc in the main game.

[elder rapids]

they wanted season 5 to be a prelude to early access rogue trader, which starts summer of next year

[fierce solstice]

Yeah i get that

[elder rapids]

nonono, they were honest about this, rogue core was a game mode for DRG originally but it kept ballooning in scope and changes

[fierce solstice]

but why not solve the S4 issue with another season then announce their "S5" later ?

[pearl tinsel]

I think game could do with once a month "invasion" events that last a week. One week of rivals or rockpox content at levels of seasons past

[static goblet]

Oh, I didn't watch the entire stream

[fierce solstice]

20K players one week

[elder rapids]

because the delay for S5 is because rogue core ballooned like it did, how it did,

[fierce solstice]

5K players another week

[pearl tinsel]

Meh

[fierce solstice]

Honestly S1 could've been part of rogue as well

[pearl tinsel]

Do it bi-weekly, whatever, it just gets really monotonous when it's all rockpox, all the time, or all rivals, all the time

[elder rapids]

this isn't exactly an uncommon thing in gaming, devs start something as a DLC or an update and it. just. keeps. fucking. GOING.

[pearl tinsel]

This was literally how tears of the kingdom happened lmao

[elder rapids]

yeah

i also think the development of rogue will feed into their ideas for DRG proper a bit

[pearl tinsel]

Just to me feels like season style content didn't play out like they wanted it to

[fierce solstice]

yeah

[pearl tinsel]

I question whether it was worth doing at all when we're only into our 4 season and it's already completely out of steam

[elder rapids]

it's...not tho?

[fierce solstice]

Well, not completely

but it's falling

[pearl tinsel]

A year long wait between this and the next is pretty much out of steam. You might as well just do regular updates at this point

[elder rapids]

the year long wait is because rogue core's in development tho? they also said this.

[fierce solstice]

That doesn't change the aforementioned fact

[brave oriole]

There are maintenance updates on the roadmap for in-between now and then, just no new content till next season. TBH it doesn't matter what format they choose, since when and how much content we get would most likely stay about the same regardless of wether we have or dont have seasons.

The main upside season have is marketing, they got a huge increase of players at the start of each season.

[pearl tinsel]

Seasons only work that way and are only different from updates when they are paced somewhat evenly

Otherwise major updates pretty much serve the same purpose

[brave oriole]

Fair, I just think saying they should change from a season format is funny, since with or without seasons we would get the same stuff.

[pearl tinsel]

Well, I don't mean that change the amount of content or pace between seasons, I just literally mean that why even call it seasons when they aren't really seasons at this point

Seasons are normally done because the amount of content being added with constant updates would quickly become too much. With the rate they've added stuff into DRG, that issue wouldn't come up much at all

[brave oriole]

Marketing and cohesion most likely

It seems like "Season" sounds better to a consumer then "Major Update" Though I would have to get some actual stats for that theory

[tall plume]

they should have come up with a completely different term so people would stop losing their shit over a word

[pearl tinsel]

Nobody is losing their shit

[brave oriole]

True lol

[tall plume]

people did for the longest time, and still do, occasionally

[pearl tinsel]

I just don't think the season system has done much for the game, considering the pace at which things are added has slowed to a crawl, there's zero reason any thing needs to be sunsetted or "changed to keep fresh" in any capacity

[tall plume]

I don't think calling them season or update would have changed anything

[brave oriole]

So your actual want is for seasonal content to be better integrated into the base game, and have a bigger impact after the end of its season?

[pearl tinsel]

Seasons usually have the distinct difference of having a different new theme or whatever

[tall plume]

you would likely have gotten the exact same thing, just with less fluff

[pearl tinsel]

That and less omnipresence while the season is active, which is the other major complaint with the season system as a whole

[tall plume]

for what it's worth, the devs heard that criticism. Let's see what they do with it.

[pearl tinsel]

I mean they heard that people don't want rockpox for a whole year, not that having a fuckton of meteors or data deposits or rival presence or harold 24/7 gets annoying

[torn drum]

Is the game out yet? If yes, say yes, if no, hit me really hard with a brick

[brave oriole]

🧱

[pearl tinsel]

[rocky dove]

brick this man

[static goblet]

How about dropping a house on you?

[pearl tinsel]

I'm honestly happy with how the main content is handled, I think it's the season events that need work. Sabotage and lithophage outbreak are almost entirely optional didn't require being done much besides the ocassional seasonal challenge and the season mission. Season 3 requiring you to do something like 30 meteor events to get all the bonus scrip got really fucking old

[torn drum]

DRG is really fine rn.

Like I def want it to be a long term project with updates, but it’s also easily playable with a ton of content as is, it’s just a lot of us have played it so much it’s no longer surprising. New players are gonna have so much shit to go through it’s not even funny

I’m hyped for Rogue

When it comes out and is good I’m going to scream so hard

Like yeah baby

[pearl tinsel]

Rogue core is very exciting

I'm hyped for a drg style roguelite, it sounds right up my alley

[torn drum]

We will have two DRGs to enjoy

AND

this also means more hands being hired once the project is finished and Ghost Ship becomes more of an established company

And with DRG getting expanded universe games it’s means the core game will last longer

More updates, more devs

Etc etc

this is actually full of really good outcomes

[brave oriole]

Yeah, Im mostly excited for the new lore and story, I really want to explore the world GSG has made.

[static goblet]

I'm imaginening a "super boss battle" where a new ridiculiously powerful dreadnaughted called the Queen (Glyhid Queen) came out from the depths of the core to personally screw our mining operations. Where 4 Dwarfs is way too few to handle this monstrosity, requiring a task force of around 2-4 teams worth of dwarfs to even stand a chance

As a result of the Core being mined

Maybe something even more ridiculous like a Glyhid Emperor.

[torn drum]

Bugsnax

[tawny karma]

oh no

[static goblet]

Glyhid Ragnarok?

[civic hemlock]

When the Core is rogue

[civic hemlock]

Eh, honestly I think the appeal is that this game could have more enemy types than Glyphids imo, things that are more... strange

Though tbh if the last stage doesn't have some mega boss fight I'll be very surprised

Especially since every single roguelike than I can recall has some sort of boss on every stage

Except for maybe Dead Cells

[pearl tinsel]

DC's boss pacing is terrible

3/4 biomes->boss->2 biomes-> boss-> 1 biome-> boss

[timid axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/965943750536855562.gif?v=1&size=40

[icy edge]

I am going to be 100% honest. I have, and I am not joking, Had dreams about this kind of thing. I have had multiple dreams about this kind of DRG spinoff. I dont understand, how did the devs dig into my head and find all this stuff. When I say this is a dream come true, I mean it. I cant wait for next year to play the closed beta if I can get my hands on it.
If I can ping the devs with this, I would love to show them this, because i not lying.

If the devs see this, Please ping me so I can talk about that more, if you want to here more about it

[kindred wasp]

honestly the thing that annoyed me the most about dead cells is going through the sewer a hundred times

although I still enjoy the game as a whole

[upper flicker]

i dont really understand what this game is actually going to be. is it just drg sans mining?

[buoyant cedar]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who theorized something like this. As if a four-player camaraderie wasn't enough, getting say three teams together would be amazing

Although I would say an entire 12 stack of Engineers might be Overkill 😂

Perhaps if multiple teams were to come together, it would be an event similar to deep dives where you have to have a full team, and all be different classes as a sort of balancing mechanic

[stuck surge]

#drg-chat

[cedar fable]

Turret firing line

[lyric dragon]

have they said anything about how to get into the alpha?

[tough idol]

I LOVE WORLDBUILDING I LOVE WORLDBUILDING I LOVE WORLDBUIL

[dull lake]

hype? 🔥

[waxen ermine]

Considering Early Access is slated for November next year, probably won't for a while

[civic hemlock]

Indeed I agree

[strange ibex]

I wish Rogue Core will be a story about Karl and first DRG crew

[abstract valley]

will Rogue core be online you guys think?

something similar to DRG?

[dull lake]

yeah it says on steam page

[strange ibex]

It will

It says on Steam Page

[abstract valley]

oh my god

[strange ibex]

It will be coop rogue-like

[dull lake]

ror2 but rock and stone

[strange ibex]

DRG but epic

[abstract valley]

so it's the same concept right

dwarves

mining

guns

[dull lake]

DRG*

[strange ibex]

Maybe not so mining tho

More guns, less mining

[abstract valley]

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE

[strange ibex]

• rogue-like modifiers to get you through the run

[dull lake]

IF YOU DONT ROCK AND STONE, YOU AINT GOIN HOME

[abstract valley]

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?

[strange ibex]

STONE AND ROCK! Oh, wait...

[dull lake]

GALAXIES FINEST

[brave oriole]

From what I've gathered its DRG but Rougelite, with a bigger emphasis on shooting bugs. Same destructible procedurally generated terrain system as well.

[abstract valley]

No idea what Rougelite means

[brave oriole]

Google it

[dull lake]

its like risk of rain, gungeon, stuff like that

its just when you start from the beginning always and get upgrades as you go along

[strange ibex]

• they will add some in-game progression that will unlock starter kits for better runs

[brave oriole]

rogue-lite (plural rogue-lites) (video games) A genre of video games that possess some, but not all, elements of roguelikes. They usually have permadeath and randomized levels.

Basically, when you die you start over, with small progression between runs.

ROR2, Hades, and Deadcells are Rougelites.

[strange ibex]

So it will be more like Dead Cells in the point of meta-progression, when you unlock stuff that will help you in future by spending Expenite

But mostly be a DRG from the point of gameplay

[dull lake]

i hope it has a card system like rounds

[waxen ermine]

Possibly/hopefully with a horror aspect to it

[strange ibex]

I hope it will have Rock and Stone button

[strange ibex]

Mostly horror, the preview screenshots are kinda spooky

[waxen ermine]

DRG with GTFO aspects is my personal prediction

[strange ibex]

Doom 3 Rock Galactic

[harsh lynx]

Devs confirmed it will

[hollow palm]

The plan for the gamemode being satisfying seems to be a combination of 3 things. The level generation, the objectives you do in that generation, and the upgrade progression inside and outside a run

The hardest thing feels like it’s gonna be a mix of what optional objectives they choose and how the level gen is going to matter

[strange ibex]

I've just realised

Rogue Core will be an actual Deep Dive to the core

[forest rain]

deepest dive

I'm interested to see how rogue core ends up effecting deep rock proper, it could give them a good space to play outside of the normal constraints of drg and might give them some cool fresh ideas they wouldn't have thought of otherwise

especially with them having to go back and build teamwork focused systems from scratch

I saw something like this season in #suggestions

like pretty much everyone I think the focus on events isn't working, and I'd love to see more of a focus on deepening the social/teamwork/community aspects of the game

what I'd give for some kind of guild system...

[pearl tinsel]

Devs dont seem interested in innovatng with drg itself atm

[forest rain]

honestly probably for the best, giving themselves a year or so with just rogue core related stuff should be nice, sticking to one thing for too long always saps my creative juices lol

[strange ibex]

Well, the next season is going to be the prelude to Rogue Core, so we just need to wait

This gives me a Pandora's Box feelings

[forest rain]

I'm excited to see how this will effect season 6 too, I think if they just went straight from s4 into another season with no breaks we might get another event heavy season

[pearl tinsel]

They made it pretty clear season 5 wouldn't be too crazy

I'm expecting something on the level of season 3-4 at most

[strange ibex]

Yeah

Just a Prelude

[vital hinge]

Hope this changes how they run reasons. No more two season themes

[forest rain]

yeah 5 will probably be pretty tame, could be interesting but I'm not expecting anything crazy

[pearl tinsel]

You really think they'd start making a new theme each season?

[vital hinge]

I hope so. I don’t think the current format works. With S2 people really started hated robots. We’re seeing the same thing now with S4

[pearl tinsel]

Then you haven't been seeing what they've been saying

[strange ibex]

I like Rivals

[pearl tinsel]

My issue with the format is the overabundance of season events and then the complete dissappearance afterward

[vital hinge]

Why what have they said about the two season format

[pearl tinsel]

Nothing

[strange ibex]

And I am pretty upset with the current amount of Rival missions

[pearl tinsel]

They pretty much said expect no major changes besides you now have to wait a year cuz they're doing rogue core

[vital hinge]

What did you mean by this

[pearl tinsel]

If you're expecting some crazy new change to how seasons are handled come season 5 you're setting yourself up for dissapointment

[strange ibex]

In a perfect world, we’d continue full steam ahead on Deep Rock Galactic while developing Rogue Core at the same time. But we’ve only got so many helping hands on board, and only so many hours in the day.
Instead of trying to do a little bit of work on each game every day, we’d rather block out bigger chunks of time where we give one project our full attention. This might not be the fastest path, but we think it’s what will allow us to give you the best games we can possibly make.

[vital hinge]

I’d like to see smaller more unique seasons than larger coupled seasons.

[strange ibex]

They are working both on DRG and Rogue Core at the same time

And they are not delaying any content cuz of Rogue Core

[hollow solstice]

What is deep rock survivors

[strange ibex]

So Season 5 can have literally anything

[pearl tinsel]

Idk, season 3 sucked for me compared to season 2. All that season content went down the drain and now you're stuck grinding meteor events for half a scrip a pop

[pearl tinsel]

Season 5 is taking a whole year because of rogue core. That's a delay

They even said don't expect it to be bigger just because it's taking longer

[strange ibex]

Like any other season tho

[vital hinge]

It’s still going to be new content, and not be either robots or more rockpox

[strange ibex]

No more Rockpox

[pearl tinsel]

That doesn't matter unless it's actually better

[strange ibex]

One more Rockpox mission and I will get crazy

[hollow wolf]

spinoff game similar to vampire survivors, developed by a different company

[pearl tinsel]

People were ecstatic to not get a third rival season and then realized rockpox was even worse

And much less varied

[vital hinge]

People like to complain and forget how bad Rivals were

[pearl tinsel]

Yeah and then they fixed all its issues in season 3

But then half the rival content is barely in the game now

[forest rain]

I really hope that come season 6 they start focusing on more fundamental changes, I don't really want another season that's too focused on events and temp content

[pearl tinsel]

Rivals was hard, yeah, but there was a lot of different stuff in it

[strange ibex]

I want Rivals back

[pearl tinsel]

Honestly

[vital hinge]

People remember the weapons being a highlight. Rivals were super overtuned for 2 seasons

[pearl tinsel]

2 of the guns sucked and still suck so idk

[forest rain]

honestly, if they don't have any interesting directions to take the game I wouldn't mind if they moved on from it tbh, I don't want it to go down the path that sea of thieves did

[pearl tinsel]

I remembered rival presence being really fucking cool when a nemesis spawned or fighting through to a turret controller feeling really cool

[strange ibex]

I find all guns fun to play

[vital hinge]

The events were cool but nemesis was lame imo. A worse bulk

[pearl tinsel]

I just want nemmy to appear in IS and for rival events to be more common in Rival Presence and sabotage

[strange ibex]

If you make a proper build with upgrades and overclocks they all can be pretty much useful in any way

[pearl tinsel]

Do something similar for rockpox once that's over

[forest rain]

yeah honestly I hated the nemesis when it came out lol, I was glad there was another huge disruptive enemy but it didn't feel good to fight

[strange ibex]

I want Rival Presence on default, but cut in half

[pearl tinsel]

I always thought him a bit deadlier than bulks tbh, the shield makes it harder to kill when you're the dwarf being targeted

[strange ibex]

I like cooking Nemesis with the boys

[vital hinge]

They are more irritating to fight that’s for sure. So many greenbeards grabbed

[strange ibex]

Crispy pointy metal

[pearl tinsel]

Robert even said not to expect much from a perk rework, and deflected a suggestion to add more OC's. What exactly are we supposed to be looking forward to with DRG itself?

[strange ibex]

Maybe they should add Rival modifier for the whole region on the man, like with the Rockpox

[pearl tinsel]

Like

[strange ibex]

That whould be nice

[vital hinge]

New mission types, new enemies, there’s a whole lot of things that can be added

[strange ibex]

Instead of this super-lame ultra-rare Rival Presence modifier

[pearl tinsel]

I get that they're really excited about rogue core, but a lot of people love DRG for what it is, and aren't interested in roguelites

[brave oriole]

Nothing atm it seems, S5 is confirmed to be a prelude to RC, and we have no substantial info on RC. So nothing to look forwards to till we get more info, and that will likely be a long ways away

[strange ibex]

That I can't even find on a map sometimes

[vital hinge]

It’s not like they’re dropping DRG. It’s wild how many people think a delay is the end of all production

[pearl tinsel]

Nobody is saying that

But they're not showing that they plan to change how seasons are being handled

Which is bad

[hollow wolf]

on stream, Mike said there were some OCs in the work for Season 5. Not confirmed but pretty likely to make it in

[brave oriole]

A lot of people said that yesterday, haven't seen it today though

[pearl tinsel]

That's good to hear I guess

[pearl tinsel]

Nobody is saying that in this convo

[brave oriole]

Fair, I assumed they where referring to people saying it as a whole, not just in the covo.

[pearl tinsel]

I would just prefer a shift towards focusing on mainstay content. I don't care if it's not really that much, but I'd prefer it to grindy season events that vanish after a few months

[strange ibex]

I think Rogue Core is already was teased earlier in the start of the Season 4

[brave oriole]

Yeah, Basically everyone agrees with that lol

[strange ibex]

When they added new bugs

Hoxxes is starting fighting back

It is going Rogue

[pearl tinsel]

Like my favorite parts of season 4 were the new basic enemies and the OC changes. The rockpox stuff is barely even there

[strange ibex]

So Season 5 may have even more new bugs to squash

[pearl tinsel]

Possibly

[brave oriole]

They said they have been working on it since at least the end of S2, so its not crazy to assume it could have been secretly teased, even if its unlikely.

[pearl tinsel]

There's that unfinished glyphid stalker they were working on for season 4 originally

[forest rain]

mm maybe some rc enemies could show up

[strange ibex]

Or even new missiion type, or even new Dreadnoughts

[pearl tinsel]

I'm expecting a biome or mission type to introduce the new mineral

Would prefer a biome but either works at this point

[strange ibex]

But it surely will not be Rockpox, so I am pleased

[pearl tinsel]

I still stand by the fact rockpox should have been it's own mission instead of a stinky side objective

[brave oriole]

A new biome teasing RC would be so cool, Id imagine if they did a biome for S5 it would be something we will see in RC.

[strange ibex]

I hope they will not drop Rockpox in Season 5 as random mission modifier like they did with Rival Presence

Cuz thats just lame

[brave oriole]

A biome would also let them make rivals more common, while not making it everywhere.

[strange ibex]

I think it will be a mission that will somehow will be connecter with Expenite

[brave oriole]

Yeah, I hope it gets added to DD & EDD at least

[pearl tinsel]

I think infected region mechanic will stick around but not sure

[vital hinge]

Rivals already have a mission type and a modifier, i rather not see a biome for them. Makes more sense for rock pox to have its own biome

[strange ibex]

They just need to add Rockpox Spikes as side missions

For Deep Dive

[pearl tinsel]

I just want sabo nemmy

[brave oriole]

Yeah, Since its a prelude its most likely gonna be relating to before connection got lost, like the early steps of setting up deeper mining operations.

[pearl tinsel]

I also had an idea that rival presence could also guarantee one of the three rival events and make it a required side objective, like rockpox

[strange ibex]

Real man will always drop a tear after the moment when Nemmy says "I thought we was friends"

[brave oriole]

Yeah, Somthing like that would be a lot more fun then just having to deal with turrets lol.

I hope RC has no rivals or pox tbh, I hope it leans more into the dangers of hoxxes itself

[split kraken]

sounds like deep rock galactic + some darkest dungeon shee

[hollow palm]

Bro is a looney tunes antagonist

Would chase bugs bunny with an axe through a cave. Bugs puts on lipstick and says “I’ve always loved you gerald” and then you pay for a wedding

I want a a crouch button in game specifically to teabag nems

[old swift]

speaking of that, i kinda want a slide mechanic

especially if there's time dilation like i think some of the screenshots showed

[inner ingot]

I am so looking forward to this game

[orchid stirrup]

I think they said it wouldnt in a recent stream, they want all that stuff to be in DRG but RC is gonna be focusing on the lost settlements near the core

so like rockpox i think wont be in it

[hollow wolf]

they mentioned in the last stream that rivals being present in these derelict mining operations would be possible

[humble drum]

if you dig straight down enough in drg, drg will crash and itll open roguecore on your pc
because youve landed in the core

try it

[gleaming roost]

holy karl it worked! why is my pc going mach 11 tho

[median sleet]

I hope season 5 opens with the ramrod destroying the lithophage meteor.

Afterwards you get an incoming message. 'We took care of that little problem, now let's see if we can fix the rest of your mess!' (laughter)

Maybe the DRG classes could have a unique response too.
Engineer would be like: 'I could've build a laser to destroy it myself, but management wouldn't let me'.

[humble drum]

since the devs have said the roguecore dwarves are stronger than the normal ones, this would actually be a badass way to present that

[humble drum]

dont worry its just downloading the roguecore alpha from gsg's computers

[gleaming roost]

uh. My GPU is on fire. what do i do?

[waxen ermine]

Use your spare lithofoam

[limpid stirrup]

thats just driller trying to escape you should help him

[waxen ermine]

Or a cryo grenade/cannon

[teal crest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/353186663905886208/1130286932325302414/Lamb_Cleaning_1-1.gif

[frail fable]

Your broom smells of poo and vomit

Clean it already!

[teal crest]

no.

[frail fable]

The smell, it lingers!

[fading nest]

Houston we have a pro-

[tough scarab]

Wait is this a different game set in DRG universe or the next update for next year

[hollow wolf]

different game

[tall plume]

check the pinned messages

it has all the info you'll need

[tough scarab]

Ah

Is it weird I'm kinda bummed for the main game? I see how they say it outgrew the scope of DRG but... idk. I'm sure they have lots and lots still planned for DRG

[tall plume]

no, I'd say it's a normal sentiment

but DRG is still gonna get update, just at a slower pace.

[tough scarab]

Ok, I'm gonna be optimistic. Maybe if the games are built in a similar way DRG will eventually be able to benefit from fresh ideas and mechanics implemented with more room to grow in a new game like rogue core.

Plus it will be an expansion on the lore and opportunities for crossovers between the two games via cosmetics and references.

Cautiously optimistic

[tall plume]

I think all of this is very possible

and totally reasonable to expect, even if they can't promise anything

[tough scarab]

Ye

[sick jetty]

Your pfp is very informative

[tawny karma]

whose

[sick jetty]

Kronk

[median sleet]

Driller would be like: 'Should've just send a droppod filled with C4'.

[tall plume]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-the-lever-wrong-lever-wrong-lever-kronk-pull-the-lever-kronk-the-emperors-new-groove-gif-27333081

[sick jetty]

Driller would have just eated it all

Scout... scout would have just told someone else to do it

Gunner would have just blasted it to bits

[median sleet]

Gunner would be like: 'That's a big gun'.

Scout would be like: 'Oh Karl, not them'.

Also I realized these would've probably fit more in #drg-chat

[tall plume]

No, especially since the game isn't out yet.
Also we do not allow begging.

[sick jetty]

Goofy aah begger

[void zealot]

very excited for rogue core DRG!!! looks awesome!! i have a question tho: will the supporter packs we bought (weapon and armour skins) for deep rock carry over to rogue core??

[tall plume]

unlikely

[void zealot]

ok good to know! thx for the quick reply ❤️

[carmine token]

rogue core

[median sleet]

*Rouge Core

[chrome lake]

For anyone who has a better memory than me, have they said if Rogue Core will be a continually updated game like DRG with seasons or some equivalent? Or a more traditional release with the lauch content being the complete thing

[frail fable]

Róże core

[median sleet]

My favorite biome in drg is magenta core

[rustic echo]

what kinda game is is rogue core?

[frail fable]

Some kind of god of war roguelikelike DRG

[chrome lake]

FPS roguelite

[median sleet]

fps 4 player co-op roguelite

[rustic echo]

alr bet

cant wait for the open beta

[median sleet]

in DRG universe

Arabic language?

[elder rapids]

i mean, probably

game's not even in alpha yet

[hollow wolf]

i don't think they've talked about anything that far out

not that ive heard at least

[torn drum]

Sure hope not

I’d like this game to have its own base identity

[median sleet]

DRG is translated by the community, for RC I assume it'll be similair

If someone who speaks Arabic decides they want to put in the time and effort, yes.

But I don't know if there is confirmation that this game will also be translated by the community

[tall plume]

banned

[tall plume]

we don't know yet

[median sleet]

Unknown, but I heard it won't be 60$

[fringe maple]

4

[tall plume]

probably the same as DRG : 30$

maybe not on EA release

[haughty escarp]

Wont be

[tall plume]

expect the finished product to be 30$

[median sleet]

#drg-chat message Won't be

[tall plume]

I bet EA will start at 15$ and will gradually increase in price as development goes.

like DRG did.

[median sleet]

Sorry, I worded it weirdly

#rogue-core-chat message

[tall plume]

see my previous message now

[tall plume]

Damn i got snailed

[median sleet]

I actually linked the wrong message

So we're even

[tall plume]

fair

[tall plume]

🤝

you got a year before EA

[median sleet]

Is that a baby or a bye bye?

[torn drum]

I hope it’s expensive

Means there’s more game to it

To make it worth that price

make it erm- 400’000 dollars

[median sleet]

Looking at triple A games, not really

[torn drum]

Yeah but DRG is good so

If it was dirt cheap I’d assume it’s good but short

Expensive I assume good and long

Also shut up no you don’t get to make a joke about that

That’s right

You

Thinking what I said is funny

🗞️💥

[lilac peak]

tbh including DLC I've spent more than $60 on DRG anyway, as long as it's good I'll probably pay whatever they ask for it

I guess that depends on the kind of game you enjoy
It looks like it might be more challenging, which I have high hopes for

[tall plume]

GSG really doesn't have a money problem, though more can always help.

But they're doing very good on that front from what we can gather 😄

they don't need to make it more expensive than necessary

[torn drum]

They’re def fine financially but the extra cash always helps, especially with getting more hands on deck

I’m not expecting it to be like 60

But I’d be fine with 30

[median sleet]

Their office doesn't have enough toilets to fit more people

[tall plume]

To be fair, they want to stay away from growing too big so the manpower issue is kinda intended 😄

[elder rapids]

S U S

[tall plume]

they're growing slowly on purpose

[elder rapids]

that's probably the play these days tbh, so many games have hundreds of people when in reality a couple dozen is optimal

[torn drum]

Skibidi

[lilac peak]

How do you guys feel about the cycle length that was mentioned in the tentative roadmap, btw
i.e. 5 5-minute stages + a boss

[tall plume]

Robert expanded on that himself. You can see all his comments about it in the pinned reddit thread in here.

[torn drum]

I think with Rogue they might have to get more manpower surely since the game is requiring some of the current DRG dev team. It would be ideal to have, at least on release, Rogue Core with its own dedicated devs and DRG with theirs

Whatever they choose is fine

They seem to know what they’re doing

I’m far from complaining

Unlike SOME GAMERS

yeah that’s right

YOU 🫵

Reading this

[lilac peak]

While true in terms of efficiency, having the same people that worked on DRG and are intimately familiar with all of it working on Rogue Core seems important

[torn drum]

I saw your DRG Rogue Core tweets

[chrome lake]

5 minutes seem short to me but I dont have the gameplay context so I assume they know better than me

Also at this point everything is subject to change so 5 minutes may be just a random length they came up with

[lilac peak]

ye, that's sort of how I felt about it
I'm just assuming they know best for now lol

[torn drum]

I wanna play it so bad

Just from the pictures

Hnnnnnnng

I wonder if it’s gonna be using the base game system that’s in place? Surely it is

Meaning a lot of the work is probably already done from the outset

Movement, gravity, interacting, etc

[fringe maple]

i think they said they are keeping the terrain generation at least

and fully descructable terrain

[fresh canyon]

I think they might change the movement a bit

[fringe maple]

maybe

[torn drum]

I hope they kept V

[lilac peak]

Movement being changed would make sense since you start without any traversal tools

[fresh canyon]

They would never remove V

[fringe maple]

they said they are definitely keeping rock and stone

[limpid zinc]

V with roguelike stuff could even have buffs

[fresh canyon]

Buffs on rocknstoning lol

[fringe maple]

lol

[fresh canyon]

Rock and stone synergy

Truly the build of all time

[torn drum]

When I mean movement btw I mean just how the game handles the player moving when pressing WASD and how things handle when falling off a cliff or interacting with the environment, seems pointless to redo THAT

But changing mechanically how traversal works is a different story

[lilac peak]

Well, yeah

[fresh canyon]

I just think some polishing could be done since so much of drgs movement is based around traversal and without it the movement is a bit bland

[lilac peak]

Maybe they'll give more air control or something
But aside from that yeah base stuff probably not gonna change

[lilac peak]

Add bhopping :^)

[torn drum]

The dwarves should run faster lmao

I can’t stand how slow we are in DRG but at least it makes sense

Small maps

[lilac peak]

Do we expect the maps to get bigger in rogue though?
The cycle system would seem to imply the opposite
Several high intensity low scale "chunks"
I'd like to be wrong though

[torn drum]

Probably not but I’d hope with traversal tools gone that there’s some movement perks to take their place

Does the perks on the steam page have any mention of speed?

I know we have five so far

IF those stay

[elder rapids]

it's a roguelite so that's more than likely

[limpid zinc]

there will absolutely be movement perks

[elder rapids]

least i'd assume

[lilac peak]

I'd like to see some of them absorbed into the base stats of the dwarves honestly
Like that running perk nobody uses that boosts run speed after three(?) seconds of continuous running

[limpid zinc]

i dont think a single rougelike exists without movement perks

[elder rapids]

@limpid zinc rogueLITE

there is a difference

tho not a big one

[limpid zinc]

i hit the wrong letter

dwarf thumbs not goof for keyboard

good!

[frail fable]

roguelikelike

[elder rapids]

tho both roguelikes and lites wouldn't exist without the addition of permanent upgrades inbetween runs

except dead cells

[frail fable]

Rogue: exists

[lilac peak]

Dead cells has permanent upgrades doesn't it

[torn drum]

I hope that the roguelike elements are rather unique, like ROR2 or Isaac, rather than just cards with meek percentage bonuses

[elder rapids]

i imagine like most of that genre rogue core will have trees for different phase suits so while you don't have "classes" different phase suits will do diff- classes, they just made classes with another word

[torn drum]

I figure this would manifest through weapon pickups

[lilac peak]

I look forward to seeing pistol + pickaxe only runs

[elder rapids]

not that i'm aware of the only upgrades really there are you get new weapons for a potential pickup

[elder rapids]

i have a feeling the pickaxe will get a lot more love in rogue core as there's a pretty good chances modifiers will effect the pick

[torn drum]

That pistol looks so good

Mmmmmmm

[lilac peak]

love me pistols

[elder rapids]

i love that pistol too

it definitely screams of the different feel the reclaimers have to the normal dwarves

[torn drum]

I’d honestly be fine with simpler weapons to aid the identity

DRG has an intense arsenal

This game has a slow, horror vibe to it

I don’t think we need like- huge flamethrowers n shit, but again, who knows how this’ll turn out

[elder rapids]

i think what's more than likely gonna happen is you'll get new guns as you progress through the game and then in your runs different rewards will pop up for those guns to maybe change how they behave to a potentially more extreme form than unstables

[lilac peak]

You think we're gonna see error cubes again?

[elder rapids]

honestly, i don't think the flamethrower would fit in rogue core,

[lilac peak]

..come to think about it, I bet we'll see more Omen type things
That would be fun

[torn drum]

I wonder if- like, they finally go at DRG lore, if Hoxxes is just a fuckin’ large ass micro biome in something incredibly ALIVE

The core going Rogue

[lilac peak]

If they're ever gonna dig deep into the planet lore, now's the time

[torn drum]

As well as the fact the entire planet was susceptible to rock pox as a virus

Idk seems like Hoxxes is alive

Flesh Pit National Park

[lilac peak]

We already kinda know it is
If not in a literal sense then in a "close enough" sense
The walls literally have eyes and the rocks are sentient

[torn drum]

There’s many ways to define alive ofc

it’s probably not fleshy but it’s sure something

There’s literally a living rock called the HEART stone

we are pillaging a living thing lol

Game Theory did Hoxxes design and program the rival tech since it’s a giant rock and has all the minerals it needs to make things for itself

[round crane]

NONONONONONO

[torn drum]

actually wait

It’s interesting that

Rival Tech only targets like- invaders? Leaves the wildlife alone and generally doesn’t disturb the ecosystem

I’m obviously joking about the planet making it

But I stand by the belief that it’s probably like- a wild life preservation team

that is super intense

There’s a giant defense grid called the Caretaker

[round crane]

I think it’s not surprising the rivals only want to keep other people from their data, what’s a glyphid going to do? hack it?

[torn drum]

Eat it

They eat Doretta

[round crane]

(dear god please don’t give the glypids tech ghost ship)

[torn drum]

You could also argue that maybe the rival tech messes with the echolocation of the Glyphids?

Given it’s very clear that most of the species in Hoxxes operate on echolocation

[round crane]

I’ve never thought about it but you’re probably right

[torn drum]

Glyphids are eyeless and scream a lot

Dead giveaway, if on purpose

Which makes sense given that most life that evolves to live in the dark usually doesn’t need good eyesight

And Hoxxes is naturally pitch black

To summarize- some fantasy ass race is probably studying Hoxxes while also having wildlife preservation in mind, having a far cleaner and organized approach to studying Hoxxes and not disturbing the ecosystem

My guess

even the tech is environmentally friendly

Rival tech seems to sustain itself on renewable energy

[simple cloak]

A group of science people on a field trip to study planets using robots

[torn drum]

Elves: “Jesus Christ man this planet might actually be alive. Our data is sending back a ton of concerning information that seems to imply a level of sentience- at least not in a traditional sense. This is unbelievable I-“

looks at live security feed

“The fuck is that?”

feed reveals dwarves eating a nemesis piece by piece like ants

[forest rain]

Dwarves do eat metal I can confirm

[fresh canyon]

I think that glyphids only attack things that disturb hoxxes, if the popular theory that hoxxes is a hivemind is true then glyphids could simply aggro on anything that harms the planet. It seems like all rival tech was doing at least so far was establishing bases and not mining, even the prospector collects only very small amounts of minerals for data gathering

[lapis willow]

Closest biome to the core was (forgot the name of the biome, i remember it as magma core). So bellow that part there must be barrier of heat and lava to prevent access to anything bellow right? So how does dwarves go that much down there?

[fading nest]

They can’t eat solids as they’ll end up in some sort of bodily shock with how much alcohol they drink daily, they’re like demoman basically.

[fresh canyon]

Magma core is right

[pearl tinsel]

Ramrod is probably like a dead space planet cracker

[fresh canyon]

Thorns is simply the alchohol in their bloodstream poisoning bugs who attack them

[fading nest]

The drill tips are probably made from expensive materials like tungsten/titanium or something not listed in the game.

[fresh canyon]

Like demoman

[forest rain]

Drillium

The drill material

[fresh canyon]

Real

[fading nest]

[azure patrol]

Nemesis disagrees

[dusty summit]

But nemesis was designed as an anti dwarf machine

[naive grove]

ong

[azure patrol]

Well seeing how the outer crust of hoxxes is so bleached, it seems like hoxes doesnt have a magnetic field and just brute force tanks the radiation from the sun, with a seemingly very very short atmosphere compared to our own, nearly entirely encompassed inside the planet, also it seems that with the depth of the planet, Hoxxes does not have a traditional mantle like our earth, and the core is likely made of this Elitrum (cannot remember actual name).
Earth’s magnetic field is made, due to a liquid portion of our core, constantly flowing around the central gravity of the solid core, and it seems like hoxxes does not have that liquid section, and has a way larger and extremely deep crust in comparison with earth. The lava that seeps into the magma core, is probably contained in other magma conduits, as there are no visible volcanoes on hoxxes, it seems like overtime the magma has cooled into rock, creating the bedrock of most deep rock missions. Meaning magma pockets are present fueling the magma core, most likely broken open by the violent earthquakes found there.

Although that is just theory, but we havent had to deal with any actual lava yet, just extemely hot rock and fire geysers

So id say the lava deposits of the planet are mostly cooled leading to the massive amount of crustal rock

And the highly crystalized nature of matierals like:
Morkite
Phazyonite
Umanite
Magnite
Dystrum (the blue secondary objective one)
Nitra
Enor pearls
Salt
And the useless crystals, including the large radioactive and shocking ones

[carmine zenith]

Holy wall of text, batman

[azure patrol]

Geology

[frail fable]

But when I post quarter of that I get dunced

[azure patrol]

Tis about Rocks and Stones

We love Minerals

And if the crystals are confusing, the longer a crystal has had to cool, the bigger they are

Meaning those absolute monster crystals in the caves are extremely old

[balmy sky]

That's a geology moment

[azure patrol]

“And I hit him with the bat in my other hand, because geologists can only see Rocks and Minerals”

[balmy sky]

Salt Pits probably took like 10s of thousands of years minimum to exsolve those crystals from the water

[pearl tinsel]

Large text wall but it was all truth

[azure patrol]

Indeed

[balmy sky]

There is a surprising amount of evidence of ancient water on hoxxes

[azure patrol]

No magnetic field, no flowing magma, it sits and cools, creating hoxxes of today

[balmy sky]

The salt flats

The fossils

The giant cave coral

[azure patrol]

Gamer the glacial strata

[balmy sky]

Also that

[pearl tinsel]

This is all just to explain why no water biome

[azure patrol]

The literal russia sized glacier

[azure patrol]

I WANT MY OCEAN LEVEL URRRAAHHH

[balmy sky]

Point is the water was more extensive in the past

In order to deposit the salt and house the various fossil organisms, as well as the precursors to cave coral

[pearl tinsel]

I mean it's kind of a shame that it's not feasible to have water since water is such a prevalent part of real life caves

[azure patrol]

Also interesting is that Morkite has more similarities to water than to rock

Morkite is able to be fully liquid, meaning morkite crystals are technically a type of ice

[pearl tinsel]

That's a large part of what I liked about minecraft's cave update was the amount of water they added to caves

[balmy sky]

I mean anything can be fully liquid under the right conditions

[upper dock]

I kinda thought crystal/liquid morkite was more like coal/oil

[pearl tinsel]

Flooding is actually an extremely common and damgerous hazard of real caves

[azure patrol]

Rocks never actually fully liquify, lava is a semisolid and so is magma

Depending on the amount of silica in the lava it gets more rocky or liquidy

Thats why hawaii’s volcanoes dont explode

[balmy sky]

Depends on the composition of the rock actually, what minerals are present, how many volatiles, etc

[pearl tinsel]

Okay but when does it evaporate

[azure patrol]

They have more basalt in them

[azure patrol]

Youve seen the smoke pumped out by the oil refinery

[pearl tinsel]

Yucky

[azure patrol]

And the blue embers inside the smoke

Yup

[balmy sky]

Hawaii's volcanoes don't explode because they're too liquidy; they don't have enough silica to thicken them up, or gases to make them explode

[azure patrol]

Correct, due to their basaltic composition, which has a higher melting point, the lava is hotter and thinner leading to easier flow

[balmy sky]

Hawaii's magma is like water compared to something like Mt St Helen's, which is more like honey or syrup

Also really gassy, lots of CO2 and other volatiles

[azure patrol]

Mt. St Helens was honestly more like oatmeal

Very very gooopy

Very bad explosion

[balmy sky]

Chonky

[azure patrol]

But yes, hoxxes is way more cooled than most younger planets

Its interesting to think, all of the life on that planet probably stemmed from the glacial strata before it froze

Or, from comets like the rockpox comet

[balmy sky]

But back to morkite, unless there's some massive temperature or pressure difference between Mining and Refining missions, it seems likely that the phase difference between Liquid and Crystal morkite is due to some chemical differences between the two

[azure patrol]

Its possible they arent the same material

[balmy sky]

I mean it depends honestly, I could see Water leaking into a proto Magma biome being a good catalyst for life

Water+organics+Volcanic systems is a really good combo for kickstarting life

Though I guess Glacial Strata does have those hot springs

So either or I suppose

[azure patrol]

Thing is I think it might be a better guess to say morkite and liquid morkite are different materials entirely

Like how coal and oil are both carbon based but are very different

[balmy sky]

I imagine so, but they're a related group.

Exactly

[azure patrol]

Mission control is probably just dumbing it down for the dwarves

[balmy sky]

Oh definitely

I doubt any of them have a formal education in Geology

[azure patrol]

Its interesting though that liquid morkite self combusts

The caves where we mine liquid morkite dont have any natural volcanic activity besides the magma core

But the geysers are there all the same

[balmy sky]

Probably is highly volatile when mixed with some compound in Hoxxes's atmosphere. I'd say O2, but it also behaves similarly in low O2

But one could chock that up to gameplay

[azure patrol]

Ehhh thats no fun

It could be reacting with nitrogen

[balmy sky]

That's interesting, though unlikely without a catalyst

Nitrogen is very stable usually on account of the triple bond

[azure patrol]

True

But

It would he highly pressurized in an environment like hoxxes

[balmy sky]

It took bacteria evolving specific enzymes for Earth life to start using it

[azure patrol]

It could be that liquid morkite can dissolve those bonds and thats where the energy for such activity comes from

The breaking down and transfer of atoms leading to a small spark that lights the geyser so to speak

[balmy sky]

It could be some other strange gas in the atmosphere. Maybe fluorine or chlorine are more abundant in the atmosphere. The dwarves are just resistant to it

[azure patrol]

Or a gas byproduct of the liquid morkite itself

[balmy sky]

Perhaps, though wouldn't it combust underground then?

[azure patrol]

No, there wouldnt be room

The gas escaping the geyser would create a flow enough that doesnt let nitrogen in

Then it sparks as it exits

[balmy sky]

Hmmmmm

Though speaking of oxygen, the large uranium crystals imply Hoxxes went through some period of widespread anoxia in the past, like low O2 but everywhere all at once

[azure patrol]

Also the possibility that liquid morkite has organisms in it, like algae or plankton

[azure patrol]

Extremely possible with how little atmosphere is shown on the loading screen

Maybe it happened like a vaccum when the giant chunk broke off

[balmy sky]

Depends on if those crystals formed from exsolution or from solidifying from a magma

Though either way, an oxygen rich environment would have likely reacted the Uranium away, so when water subsequently entered the biome, it would dissolve away

[azure patrol]

The only real places we can rule out on their crystaline qualities are the glacial strata and the sandstone chasm (forgor name)

[balmy sky]

Sandblasted Corridors

But yeah

[azure patrol]

Sandblasted corridors has to have been lithification

[grave cradle]

Will this game be on xbox during its full release?

[balmy sky]

Not sure if we know if the sand is marine or aeolian, though I think marine is most likely

[balmy sky]

I imagine so, at least on Series X

Idk about One

[grave cradle]

K

Good bc i have series x

[azure patrol]

Is it uranium? I try to stay away from there as much as possible

[balmy sky]

Oh Uranium I was mostly referring to Radioactive Exclusion Zone

[azure patrol]

Yes thats what i mean

I try and stay out of that biome specifically

Is it uranium i just dont know

[balmy sky]

Yeah there are crystals referred to as Uranium

[azure patrol]

Alright then

[balmy sky]

Pointer says so

[azure patrol]

Its possible that the uranium came after the formation of the caves

[balmy sky]

Technically it would be some uraninite mineral, but still

[azure patrol]

True uranium normally isnt glowy and crystaline

Its possible that this type of uranium came from meteorite activity

[balmy sky]

Maybe, though that would likely mean an input of water carrying uranium ions, and a subsequent long term drop in oxygen to exsolve the uranium

[balmy sky]

It's possible that is the origin of the uranium, but I don't see it forming those crystals we see in the biome

Perhaps a Meteor punched a hole in the planet, the oxygen escaped, and the minerals dissolved in water already present in the biome?

[azure patrol]

Well I mean the entire biome might be a meteorite, or a piece of hoxxes’ moon

[balmy sky]

Then the uranium crystallized, and as it decays, the heat boiled the water

[balmy sky]

I find it less likely to be a seperate body due to the shared fossils, unless the fossils somehow colonized the area after it became irradiated

[azure patrol]

It could have came from a comet too, a trip around the sun crystalizing whatever mineral they’re calling uranium and then hitting an inconveniently placed hoxxes on its return trip leaving the system

That couldve knocked the piece loose too

[balmy sky]

I still think the fossils indicate the biome is native to Hoxxes

And at some point hosted an environment that let said fossil organism thrive

[azure patrol]

The fossils are not native

They have been moved

You can see it in the difference in rock color

All fossils have that off yellow color

[balmy sky]

I think that's moreso for the sake of Gameplay honestly

[azure patrol]

Not to mention the fossil itself is blue

[balmy sky]

Though one could argue they're isolated pockets of a common Limestone

I say Limestone due to how commonly that rock has fossils

[azure patrol]

Its not a real fossil, because of the blue, there is 0 brightly azure blue rocks that form fossils like that

[balmy sky]

Fossils can really be any colour depending on what minerals replace the organism, I don't think that's an issue

[azure patrol]

Because a fossil is the rock replacing the bone and material of something else inside of a rock

Hmm

Why are the rocks blue then

What mineral makes them such

[balmy sky]

I mean, Opals can reflect Blue light and form fossils.

But moreso, DRG has some fictional blue minerals as well

[azure patrol]

Because youre right it could just be blue

[balmy sky]

Morkite

Aquarqs

[azure patrol]

Im thinking more like the basic rock of the azure weld

[balmy sky]

Dystrum even

[azure patrol]

Except all of those are crystals

Buuuut

I say thay

But there are exceptions

[balmy sky]

Yes, because usually it is a simple mineral infilling a fossil, not a whole other rock

[azure patrol]

I have a fossil made inside of quartz

[balmy sky]

Unless the gap is filled by sediment

[azure patrol]

So crystals can form fossils-ish

Ish

[balmy sky]

It's usually minerals, just they have really really small crystals usually

[azure patrol]

That is true,

[balmy sky]

Think Pyritization, where the fossil body of the organism is replaced by Pyrite

[azure patrol]

I think its likely that the uranium might not be uranium

[balmy sky]

Opalization as I already mentioned is another, though technically opal isn't a mineral

[balmy sky]

It doesn't exactly align with IRL uranium; but the game does explicitly tell us it is uranium

So I'll take its word on that, like when it says something is quartz or salt or sand

[azure patrol]

Buuuut we just went over that liquid morkite doesnt make sense as being a liquid, also theres the fact that praetorians can also utilize the same glowing radiation as the “uranium”

[balmy sky]

That's why I'd contend its more likely a uraninite, a crystalline oxide mineral with uranium

[azure patrol]

Thats true but it doesnt make sense for it to glow

The viewpoint of the dwarves even glows when too close

[balmy sky]

I mean, the Praetorians could technically incorporate the mineral into their bodies after living around it for long enough

Life loves using metals and minerals to do things when it can

[azure patrol]

Yes but its activated by them roaring

If it was actual uranium there wouldnt be an on and off switch

[balmy sky]

They could have some organ in the body that acts to block or release radiation

[azure patrol]

And evidenced by them taking damage to the fatboy overclock they are not immune to radiation

[balmy sky]

Like sliding the uranium in and out of a lead box

[azure patrol]

See that could work, if it was only released by their mouth or some type of hole leading out of them

It releases through their entire body

Their cells would have to have a counteracting material as the cell wall of that organ for it to be the case

And I mention cell walls due to their opening for proteins, as a possible method of keeping the radioactive particles in

[balmy sky]

Sure, though I don't see why that refutes some controlling organ being in their abdomen let's say, selectively releasing and blocking radiation at their whim.

The wall for said organ could very well be reinforced by a different mineral as well. Maybe it literally is lead, or just a dense mineral like barium oxide or barium phosphate

[shut gazelle]

Ah, fatboy bashing

It is a normal day on drg Discord

[balmy sky]

I'm not saying this organ doesn't hurt the Praetorians, it probably does reduce their lifespan, but in their specialized environment, it conveys some minor advantage, so it sticks with them

[azure patrol]

That is possible, but it doesnt exlude the fact that the entire praetorian doesnt take any adverse effects when it uses its ability

[balmy sky]

It probably does, but either only slight effects, or effects not shown to us for the sake of gameplay, to make the radioactive pratorians not just exploders with extra steps

[azure patrol]

I still dont think it would work as it being an actual uranium

it might be a case of naming something the same as something else, till we figure out what it actually is

unless the praetorians like

eat the uranium

[balmy sky]

I'd rather belive it is actual uranium

Otherwise like

Why trust the gold is gold?

[azure patrol]

but its also seen inside swarmers

[junior gyro]

What's rogue core?

[balmy sky]

Why trust the quartz is quartz?

Why trust the sand is sand?

[azure patrol]

the reason i distrust the uranium specifically is that it exhibits glowing, a crystaline structure, and also is used by the wildlife as a defense mechanism

[azure patrol]

a new DRG game with a roguelike base

same generation of caves, different dwarves

[balmy sky]

The crystalline structure is explained by uraninite, the biomineralization is a common trend in biology

[azure patrol]

its pushing back the next season by 8 months

[balmy sky]

The glowing aligns with highly radioactive substances, and an exaggerated picture of radiation in fiction

It lines up well enough, with properties of irl uranium and fictional baggage lumped onto it

[azure patrol]

Well does that mean that actual uranium glows in drg?

[balmy sky]

It could

[azure patrol]

the radiation from Hoxxes' sun doesnt glow green

[cursive acorn]

Unenriched uranium doesn’t seem to exist on Hoxxes, only the massive pillars of it that seem to be already enriched

[balmy sky]

It's a different kind of radiation. Visible/UV dominant vs X-Ray/Gamma dominant

[azure patrol]

and also wether its real uranium or not, how did it get there is still a big issue

[strange ibex]

The only Uranium DRG has to offer is the depleted one, used for the Gunner's Bulletstorm as an ammo material

That one on Radioactive Zone is a Hoxxes' own radioactive Volatile Uranium that is probably being used for energy purposes of DRG on industrial scale, or maybe can't be even processed cuz of its crystalic nature

[latent snow]

How can you get early access to rogue core?

[forest rain]

so is this just deep rock risk of rain

[upper atlas]

I hope so fervorously

[latent snow]

@twin shale how can you get access to rogue core

[hollow wolf]

it's not out

they'll be providing info on how to sign up for the closed alpha in the future

[latent snow]

Ah

Ok

[simple cloak]

Wonder if they’ll plan on adding workshop support

Rogue core in vr

[spark pulsar]

Damn

[simple cloak]

Damn indeed

[tall plume]

read the pinned messages

ton of info in there

[brittle sky]

I only just found out about this games existence

[full cedar]

I'm curious who mission control will be in this game, if we'll see the same dwarf or maybe a new one

I'm hoping for a female dwarf, Rouge Core is probably our best opportunity for one while it's still in development

Yeah yeah, generic "add female dwarves" request, but people will probably keep asking until it happens, a new game is probably the best opportunity to add it

Super excited to play this though, absolutely gonna pre-order when there's more information about the game

[brittle sky]

I love the concept
Core going rogue and you have to reclaim it

[gloomy pumice]

I wonder if the reclaimers have a different role model folk figure to aspire to be

Like how the miners have karl

[frail fable]

What would Carl do

[simple cloak]

They call him, Karlos

[lilac peak]

Those miners in the space rig.. they really have a cozy job

[chrome vapor]

lol

i really hope we get karl lore

[tall plume]

I wouldn't bet on it

[austere slate]

rogue core

[forest rain]

Wait that's a new game?

Damn

[wet tulip]

Yeah check the pins

[flint lodge]

Still trying to figure out how to get early acess

[wet tulip]

November 2024

[stray stratus]

im not exactly against female dwarves, its just gonna be jarring to hear new voices after hearing the other dwarves for so long. If they do it though ill get used to it, it was jarring to hear the dwarves when i first started playing DRG and i got used to that

[wet tulip]

It says everywhere in this channel

[flint lodge]

Thx lad

[lone cypress]

oh next month?
now thinking about the year... wait 1 whole year later? 😭

[stray stratus]

2024

not 2023

oh wait

im dumb

[wet tulip]

Yes, it just began development

Games take time ✨

[stray stratus]

its actually gonna be a rather short developement since they have so many pre existing assets and already have a designated art style (which i assume they are going to use for rogue core but they may not)

[lone cypress]

they can just take drg and reprogram it

[wet tulip]

It's still a new game, it'll take time to reach a full release

[wet tulip]

That's a dumbed-down version to explain what they're doing

[plain lark]

What is risk of rain

They compared it to that

[wet tulip]

A roguelike game

[stray stratus]

oh yeah for sure, but compared to other games a year of developement is short... and no i dont count games with yearly installements as those are almost universally bad.

[wet tulip]

Yearly installment games are so yucky

[plain lark]

What is that

[stray stratus]

single life fight til you die or win then restart

[marsh crater]

it's pretty funny how gsg probably had a group of people trying to think of the name for a new really expensive mineral and they just decided to call it fucking expenite

[opal sedge]

im excited for Rogue core

[wet tulip]

A game conceptually similar to Rogue (1980)

[stray stratus]

eh, not a horrible name. its not like Unobtanium

[marsh crater]

yeah no im not saying its bad

just funny

[wet tulip]

Unobtanium is an amazing name

[stray stratus]

with how serious avatar took itself it was extremely jarring to hear the name unobtanium the first time

[plain lark]

What is that

[wet tulip]

A dungeon crawling video game with permadeath

[plain lark]

Ah ok ty lmao

I was about to copy paste the definition here for meme

But I honestly did not know. So it’s like u grind for gear

[wet tulip]

I was tryna give the most misleading answers I could 😭

[wet tulip]

Yeah, and if you did you lose it all

[plain lark]

How does it end

[wet tulip]

You beat it or you die

Usually there are permanent upgrades you can get that stay between play sessions

Imagine current DRG except you start with a pistol and a pickaxe and nothing else

But you can find upgrades and other weapons along the way

Similarly to the current state of DRG:S

[plain lark]

Holy meow cool

[stray stratus]

permanent upgrades are more applicable to roguelites than roguelikes correct?

[plain lark]

I think it’s closer to meow nya than that

[wet tulip]

Yeah

RC will be a roguelite

My current imagination is like perks and minerals staying around, but weapons resetting between sessions

[tall plume]

@quaint bronze read the pinned messages here

[quaint bronze]

Oh damn, my bad

[quaint bronze]

Apologies

[tall plume]

no worries

[full cedar]

Honestly I never liked the same va just pitch shifted, nothing against the person who voiced them obviously but it feels a little stale. A new voice, especially one so different, would be a good change imo

Honestly I'd take pretty much any new voice though, I just think a female mission control would be cool, something like the announcer from TF2, and the fanbase has been begging for one for years and this would finally calm some of that down

Considering some people blow the reason there's no women in drg way out of proportion

[chrome phoenix]

Does anyone know why the devs are adverse to using some of the existing weapons (with balance changes I'm sure) in this new title. New guns is good but it would be kinda neat to have a few that cross over a bit like titan fall2 and apex

[deep agate]

Adding new guns to rogue core is easy, adding new guns to deep rock is hard

So its not an even conversion

[chrome phoenix]

They wouldn't necessarily have to make it go both ways though

I just think some people might like if their already favorite gun in DRG made it's way over in some way, even if it was slightly different because of balance changes

[fresh canyon]

I assume they want some content to be actually unique. Theyre already reusing a lot of code so im sure theyre trying to avoid reusing too much code and charging money for it

They could reuse 90% of the code in drg and simply create a new mission type but they want to make an actually different game since theyre charging money for it

[tall plume]

I don't remember them saying they won't use already existing weapon though

its likely some of them will show up (though maybe not all of them)

[chrome phoenix]

It was just they way he said all new weapons in the live stream that made it feel like they were worried about reusing them

[icy vapor]

In the current prototype of Rogue Core all the DRG weapons are in the game; they're weapons you can find on a mission. Whether that remains the case once the game is in a finished state can't be guaranteed, but they're not just getting rid of the current DRG weapons for Rogue Core.

They talk about it during the stream yesterday at the 27:16 mark: https://youtu.be/FnGwezcx8EQ?t=1636

[chrome phoenix]

Yeah for testing

[tall plume]

it's a new game and they can go ham on making new weapons (unlike DRG) so I understand they just want to make more new stuff instead of recycling even more things form DRG.

[chrome phoenix]

Yeah I agree, but also it's from the same universe, same planet, same company. It would make sense if there is a bit of equipment cross over

[proven sequoia]

I imagine some things like models will but for the most part wouldn't be surprised if most of its gonna be fresh.

[chrome phoenix]

I hadn't seen that comment in their game stream so that answers that. Glad they are keeping some.

So is the idea that you can switch your whole weapon during the mission?

[torn drum]

I figure Glyphids are more like the equivalent of a small micro biome living inside a person, not that Hoxxes has any control over them, just that it’s housing them, perhaps

[full cedar]

Especially considering it doesn't seem like they're tied to a particular character like they are in drg

[hidden hornet]

I can definitely see the final form of the dreadnaught being in this game

[tall plume]

yeah, that too

[full cedar]

Anyone can use anything which means less worry about making 4 weapons that "fit" each character

[hidden hornet]

Would be a perfect boss idea

[full cedar]

Considering how often it's requested and we're going right to the core, I'd be surprised if it doesn't show up eventually

[chrome phoenix]

I guess the weapon fitting a class thing is less of a worry since the upgrade system will allow players to adjust to the weapon

[hidden hornet]

Rogue core would definitely be a perfect opportunity to introduce the fully developed dreadnaught

Would legit be a missed opportunity if they didn't do it

[chrome phoenix]

It could really work as a run ending moment. Kill the queen or something

[lucid ivy]

Ladies and gentlemen

i don't like pre-purchases. i really dont. no man's sky, every EA game, every blizzard game etc in the past few years has proven my point

that goes out the window for this game

where do i sign

[tall plume]

nowhere.
There's no pre-purchase, the game will enter Early Access during Fall-early Winter 2024. Gotta wait until then.

Eventually you might be able to alpha-test it but nothing is certain : there's currently no info on how they will approach early testing.

[hidden hornet]

Alpha testing is during q1 of next year

[lucid ivy]

i'm gonna be honest, that was mostly theatrical, i'm not even surprised if there were no preorders whatsover with just how well (read, non-predatory) the monetization of DRG is made

either way im absolutely loving the idea

[hidden hornet]

Just keep an eye out if you want to participate in the alpha testing

[tall plume]

I know but I feel like it cannot hurt repeating the info for people who are lurking 😄

[lucid ivy]

useful indd c:

[full cedar]

I mean if anyone is getting access to the closed alpha it'll be the bosconauts or banana bunch or whatever the role is

[tall plume]

The regulars don't have a favor treatment when it comes to testing

the only thing they have is a closed chat and a differently coloured name, think of it as a badge of honour for being a cool member of the community, but that's pretty much it (and the badge can be taken away if you start being uncool, this has happened a lot).

[full cedar]

Oh, interesting

And embed permissions in non-drg

[tall plume]

that too

[sick jetty]

Cool

Any idea on how enrolling in closed alpha will happen? Will it just be click a button on steam and you'll be added to a list?

[tall plume]

#rogue-core-chat message

[full cedar]

Likely will be internal, yeah

[sick jetty]

That's... where I am

Oh

That's the actual answer

Not you redirecting me

[tall plume]

yeah, it's a message link 😄

[full cedar]

I forget I can't send my own emotes here, now I remember why I stay to non-drg

Ooo, character designs must be what they're working on rn

Update 5 (although it's more than likely done considering it's the first thing on the list)

[tall plume]

I wonder too how they will go about alpha testing

curious as to how they're going to approach it

[quartz patio]

is this game the one that was teased awhile back with the top-down view of a scout with drones flying around him in a circle

or am i wrong and ghost ship games r working on DRG and 2 other DRG related games

[frigid path]

That’s DRG Survivor, a game they’re publishing not developing

[quartz patio]

oh

damn DRG going from one game to three within like

2 years

[tall plume]

and speaking of DRG:S @quartz patio the demo has been out for a while and still available if you're interested. Just keep in mind it's an alpha.

For everything related to Rogue Core, check the pinned messages

[fierce solstice]

Doot when will the demo end

[tall plume]

don't know

[fierce solstice]

bad moderator

2/10

[tall plume]

read the steam news yourself

[grand scarab]

anyone know how long RC has been in development? might give some people some piece of mind to know which seasons of DRG have had overlap given slowdown

[tall plume]

check the pinned messages

lot of info in there

[median sleet]

It's been like 3 days and the game still isn't out? These devs are so slow 😡😡🤬