everything is ripping off persona anyway
#amid-evil-or-hunt-showdown
lilac copper
devout olive
shin megami tensei ripped off persona
untold canopy
persona ripped off danganronpa
devout olive
I ripped off baka by skillfully tricking him into sending me physical copies of persona 3 and 4
therefore ripping off persona in the process
finite shuttle
amid evil shot my dog and lit my house on fire
vital mist
explains why its the best nb game 
lilac copper
only thing you are "ripping me off" on is the price you paid on those games 
but as I said I dont mind as long as they get a good home
rather you have them than some scalper
topaz gorge
is there spaghetti and meatballs in this game
frigid moth
there is all the spaghetti and meatballs here
lilac copper
all of the spagh
topaz gorge
what about the etti?
lilac copper
fuck that guy
devout olive
only thing you are "ripping me off" on is the price you paid on those games <:ke...
you could say I made out like a "phantom thief"
civic ocean
people I got Amid Evil for actually started playing it yayy
hope it's not the last time 
night ginkgo
Cool
frigid moth
Leon has more e's in his name by the minute
winged ibex
Me when Leon sets off a double happy under my couch cushion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFnPmOO1SIs
proper oxide
its time to commit property theft on leon
topaz gorge
ok
crystal spruce
ok
civic ocean
what properties does leon have
gusty bane
being leon
night ginkgo
yeah
jolly mortar
empty chinese food packets
crystal spruce
Uhhh Leon.GetProperties()
frosty drift
I have stolen leon's property of being leon
You must henceforth refer to him as Le**
vocal ingot
Done
frigid moth
leoff
civic ocean
Did you steal all the e's
night ginkgo
oi who stole me name
civic ocean
Le dev
lethal elk
le poster
civic ocean
topaz gorge
i stole leon's beta of amid good
frigid moth
impossible
civic ocean
I like how even enemy textures are perfectly aligned with the world
it's actually seamless
night ginkgo
Lmao what is that
topaz gorge
as
topaz gorge
amid evil is a fun game
lilac copper
nah it's terrible
civic ocean
it's not the protector
oh wait it kind of is
night ginkgo
Whelp Simon made that
civic ocean
protector feet are 1 px more pixels across than 50% of their body so they have a bit higher density
strange mist
Hey
Quick thing real quick
I literally spent half an hour trying to find the blue button on the left room of the starting place in the first level of Domain of the Sentinels
lilac copper
wow
strange mist
It was called Citadel of the Watchers or something?
But yeah
I spent half an hour trying to find that goddamn blue button
civic ocean
too many foot pixels
I am sure every single player notices this when playing
no wait it's actually more because of the body and the head being lower resolution and not the limbs being higher, whatever.
cinder mist
I like how even enemy textures are perfectly aligned with the world
fuck yes happy to see this appreciated
my one anal art thing
though it wont hold up to extreme scrutiny, there's some non 1:1 scaling
civic ocean
it's pretty good
I have to go out of my way to find the few cases where it's not 1:1
crystal spruce
i know those cases are tough
brazen herald
Enemies
crystal spruce
does any body remember laughter?
civic ocean
laughter?
crystal spruce
dusk is better i couldnt get into this game
night ginkgo
cool
night ginkgo
you could try running exclusive fullscreen if you feel there's input lag
(this is for most games in general)
crystal spruce
i tried it on lowest settings but it runs on on high settings too , there was some input lag on either with rapid fire weapons. i would enjoy the game much more if this issue was rectified .thank you for the input
i jumped into an old steam cloud save after re installing, its running properly on epic. its a lot of fun actually i was just trolling before, im a no life loser
jolly mortar
If the 'on' is missing from Leon's name does that mean he's Leoff?
faint aurora
The Great Usurper Le
finite shuttle
Leoff
topaz gorge
leon't
frigid moth
Le (not on)
civic ocean
idk why the game keeps doing this
It's actually on epic but it shows this every time I check
proper oxide
Because you have a low iq 
civic ocean
jab
lethal elk
idk why the game keeps doing this
because u change the res scale
civic ocean
oh okay
it's weird that it says low though, it's not set to low
it should display the actual settings probably
proper oxide
Damn AE has only 3000 steam reviews
Divide 3000 by 1000 and you get ur iq
proper oxide
it's weird that it says low though, it's not set to low
It’s weird that you say ur iq is high. It’s not set to high
proper oxide
it should display the actual settings probably
You should display ur actual iq probably
topaz gorge
Divide 3000 by 1000 and you get ur iq
3,000,000
civic ocean
1.322 * 10 ^ 3477
open path
There's so much edgy humour on this server.
I'm gonna enjoy it
lilac copper
open path
Nvm, I'm tipsy
lilac copper
lol
frigid moth
lul3d
brazen herald
amid evil is the only game with RTX i've seen that doesn't make the water ultra-realistic
civic ocean
how the flying fuck does one kill the scrounge on evil with warrior mode
holy shit that took a while
civic ocean
yeah i kept trying to do that
civic ocean
I've been running around in hexed passage for minutes trying to find a weapon other than the star of torment and the azure orb with barely any mana
this is just a deathloop
no weapon
grand haven
Hexed Passage is one of the hardest levels in the game on evil warrior mode if you don’t play your cards right
civic ocean
I don't have any cards to play in the first place 
grand haven
Honestly I’d take it a step further and say replay the level again on a lower difficulty to check where all the weapons are at and then go back to your evil warrior mode play through
civic ocean
well there are these cool secrets called cheats I can think of
grand haven
The part with the three horseback guys was the single most challenging part of my evil warrior mode mode play through because I had very little mana at that point and didn’t grab the Aeturnum earlier
civic ocean
just made a run for the aeternum secret lol
sudden pewter
what is the best song in the soundtrack of this game?
night ginkgo
Most popular is aetheres
grand haven
As it should be
night ginkgo
I like all the tracks
grand haven
I do too but that’s the boring answer
proper oxide
Boring answer from a boring guy
civic ocean
how the fuck
did it swim through the air all the way to here
and if so why is it disabled now
it's just vibing in place
nvm it can still move
it's the realm of magic I guess
flying sharks
civic ocean
what is the best song in the soundtrack of this game?
If I had to pick only one I'd go with Obelisk probably
crystal spruce
When I first saw this game, I thought the Celestial Claw was called "Celestial Clay".
So now I have a new weapon idea for my own thing. 😄
But seriously, would've made some sense here, generating new miniature celestial bodies.
I don't like how some of the numbers are indistinguishable from each other. I can't remember which two I kept confusing for the other, though.
But hot damn the maps are TRIPPY (especially in The Void), and BEAUTIFUL to look at! This is one time I wish I modded beyond the GZDoom engine. 🤣
jolly mortar
The claw doesn't make new stars, it pulls them from time and space. They're actual stars you fire
strange mist
Aaaand
You will actually pull Earth and shoot it
crystal spruce
i cleaned out my steam library . i kept this game, dusk, hotline miami bc i wanna finish this game
crystal spruce
The claw doesn't make new stars, it pulls them from time and space. They're actu...
Wait, where's the lore that says this?
lilac copper
think it says so in the codex
not sure but that is canon
it pulls out planets from orbits and stars from their systems
crystal spruce
That sounds like an absolute waste.
lilac copper
there are so many stars in the sky and even more planets out there
crystal spruce
I thought it would've been more original if it just made its own mini planets.
crystal spruce
After all, those explosions, while fairly powerful, don't really justify the miniaturization of a planet like that. 🤔
So I guess that's another thing I can use on my end, then. 😄
lilac copper
also if it just made planets it would undermine the whole point of pulling the earth out of its orbit and shoot it
crystal spruce
There may be plenty of stars, but then that means your ammo is still fairly limited there, even if you have infinite Orange Mana.
crystal spruce
also if it just made planets it would undermine the whole point of pulling the e...
I thought that was more of a joke.
lilac copper
there are about 1 billion trillion stars in the universe
by estimation
not gonna run out
crystal spruce
It just made a mini-earth, and it was all like "oops you destroyed the earth".
lilac copper
also more are being born all the time
estimated 700 quintillion planets
you are definitely not going to run out
crystal spruce
That makes less sense, though. I still think it would've been better if it just generated its own tiny planets.
Instead of it relying on pulling shite out of the cosmos.
lilac copper
how is it not?
the mages were so out of touch that they think this is ok
how more ridicilous can you get than pulling planets and stars out of their orbits?
creating one from zilch is boring
crystal spruce
the mages were so out of touch that they think this is ok
Now if that were in the lore, then it'd be more acceptable.
lilac copper
it kinda is
crystal spruce
creating one from zilch is boring
It's really not. It somehow is able to just generate one out of thin air and Orange Mana. Instead it just pulls it from somewhere, miniaturizes it, and gives you piddly return.
Doom's Rocket Launcher is just about as powerful as that.
Or Heretic's Phoenix Rod.
lilac copper
"Created by the Archmage of Chaos; it pulls random planets from their position in time and space, then shrinks them down to a size so that they can be launched at foes. A truly deadly weapon."
crystal spruce
And those don't even use planets for goodness sake. 😛
civic ocean
crystal spruce
Pretty much.
lilac copper
pulling giant celestial objects from their place and shrinking them into projectiles is pretty damn metal if you ask me
crystal spruce
So the guy was a dumbo.
crystal spruce
pulling giant celestial objects from their place and shrinking them into project...
Not really, 'cuz you could potentially be ending billions of lives at a time whenever you do so.
lilac copper
you think the archmage cares?
crystal spruce
I have a gun that generates and launches its own mini-sun projectiles, which fire solar flares at nearby enemies, akin to the BFG-9000 from DOOM (2016)/Eternal.
No danger to anybody outside of the combat zone. 😄
that purple gun that exists across all dimensions
The Aetherium is one of the coolest weapons I've ever seen.
Just this series of ribbons that fires this BFG-like projectile.
Disintegrates anything.
Upgraded mode launches a black hole.
I LOVE IT.
parasite level is tough im playing on evil. thought there were only 3 episodes but theres 7?
civic ocean
gun
jolly mortar
Not really, 'cuz you could potentially be ending billions of lives at a time whe...
Not using the celestial claw to save the universe ends all lives. If a few billion people die, so be it. They don't call them the Archmage of Chaos because they play it safe. Evil has already won, all methods are on the table.
crystal spruce
"I will save 7 billion lives at the cost of 20 million."
civic ocean
I can imagine that it actually pulls planets out of multiple universes so you have multiple earths n shit
Maybe on one of those earths everyone is jab
crystal spruce
a planet that is yours alone and historys for you to decide
jolly mortar
It does pull from across time. You can shoot earth more than once, paradox be damned
civic ocean
it's a chaotic weapon
I've actually yet to check all the wall messages but there's one that's "The protectors cannot stand weapons of chaos" or something
Which hints at them taking increased damage and absolutely getting rekt
jolly mortar
There's lore in the codex and scattered around levels.
civic ocean
I'm not sure if all enemy vulnerabilities are hinted at
Like the spike drones take extra damage from the voltride
And laser guards are just like protectors
crystal spruce
sentinel knights dont release scrouges if u kill em with the 2nd blue orb weapon
grand haven
parasite level is tough im playing on evil. thought there were only 3 episodes b...
It was only three episodes when the game first released into EA, IIRC
topaz gorge
is it intentional for the moon guy to do this
lethal elk
ye
topaz gorge
man i wish i could play amid evil rn
civic ocean
a tip is you should only use voltride soul power for overkillng
true for the voltride in general
topaz gorge
i haven't played the game in at least 2 months and have only 4 hours on it
brazen herald
other weps are better for killing
but it looks cool :(
frigid moth
Larry?
half jacinth
i was about to say
"whoa, what hexen remaster is that" as a joke
but then i realized that this is the amid evil channel
so it wouldn't be funny
open path
What's the average kill count when using the celestial claw? 
AFAIK some of the planets shot are inhabited
night ginkgo
Billions
visual sail
billions die so speedrunners can climb up a wall to save some frames. Worth it
vocal ingot
One is Earth, so...
proper oxide
One is leons house
It has a 1/1 chance of appearing
Cause Leon really wants to die
vocal ingot
Earth used to have almost a fuckin 1/1 chance of appearing
and that has leon's house on it presumably
crystal spruce
i really love amid evil thank you for making it ❤️
analog silo
You're welcome
brazen herald
you’re welcome
grand haven
hello is this the a meme devil channel
i would like to thank larry for making such a mediocre game
crystal spruce
i didnt take to it right away bc of technical issues but its good. same with desperados 3
civic ocean
ha Peon
topaz gorge
avid emil
topaz gorge
presumably
presumably
open path
billions die so speedrunners can climb up a wall to save some frames. Worth it
Figures...
crystal spruce
A medieval
topaz gorge
ptooo
vocal ingot
yeah presumably
idk man maybe he doesn't have a house
I'm not judging him sleeping on the street
strange mist
Jab cult
solemn mango
analog silo
Moderator fetishism
rustic barn
who is that young man
rustic barn
hopefully he gets crunched
solemn mango
civic ocean
crystal spruce
I hope he gets fired
wispy estuary
freaking idiot
lethal elk
no bulli
vocal ingot
wait FUCK wrong channel
night ginkgo
what
faint aurora
There be darkness here
vocal ingot
no john you are the evil
dire peak
bruh
night ginkgo
Bruh
topaz gorge
bruhzinga!!!!!!!
young stirrup
amid evil
night ginkgo
Yes
young stirrup
vocal ingot
what's amid evil
solemn mango
the black labyrinth
civic ocean
solemn mango
topaz gorge
what's amid evil
when you are amidst evil
civic ocean
you can get a refund in case you figure out within 2 hours of playtime that you won't like it
topaz gorge
i bought amid evil instead of dying light
much better game
dying light is about an electrician changing light bulbs so boring
devout nexus
well its not called living light after all
primal walrus
He Swims, He Hungers....
crystal spruce
he seeks the parmesan
analog silo
what's amid evil
ok so basically there's a bunch of evil and you're right in the middle of it
strange mist
Okay serious question
I want some tips on how to beat Solar Saint
topaz gorge
I don't wanna be in the middle of a bunch of evil
gotta beat the game to get out of the middle of the evil
raven drift
I really like the theme of amid evil so far
the mana and fantasy theme makes it feel like an rpg fps or something like that
lethal elk
Okay serious question
I want some tips on how to beat Solar Saint
if he jumps up and is gonna slam down on ya. use the planet claw thing and shoot him it will cancel his move.
night ginkgo
also if you move back and forth instead of a straight line, he won't be able to predict your movement
the azure orb or star of torment in soul mode will also nuke him
smoky cypress
Okay serious question
I want some tips on how to beat Solar Saint
Juke him
wispy estuary
The way to beat amid evil is to get pissed at Leon, write a review with horrible grammar and spelling, and then make your own game
night ginkgo
ligma
wispy estuary
Leon isn't it true that you added Choegon to amid evil
dreamy rampart
would an MX250 be enough to run this game fine?
it runs Dusk well, so it'd be okay i assume
wispy estuary
Try PcGameBenchmark
night ginkgo
I'm not sure with that card, laptop cards are all over the place in terms of performance
a good metric is: if it runs fortnite, it will run AE
same engine lol
proper oxide
leon stop trouble shooting for a game you didnt make
night ginkgo
e x c u s e m e
night ginkgo
no
signal quartz
Leon hasn't made this game!?
Shocking fact has been revealed!
😂
signal quartz
I hear a story of classic games buried underground...so someone developed a game and buried it in New Zealand, then Leon Zawada somehow found it...
night ginkgo
Yup
proper oxide
he works at a Raman Shop
signal quartz
😂
frosty drift
morning ramdal
signal quartz
Randal chan!
strange mist
also if you move back and forth instead of a straight line, he won't be able to ...
Can I get more info about moving "back and forth"?
jolly mortar
He leads you. One of the few enemies in old school style games that will.
civic ocean
if he jumps up and is gonna slam down on ya. use the planet claw thing and shoot...
wut
strange mist
Oh
civic ocean
i spent time figuring out a way to reloably avoid damage from that
night ginkgo
also if you shoot a sun at him he will yeet it back, because he is the sun saint after all
so don't do that
civic ocean
moving in a circle and then making a 90 degree turn towards the middle when he starts screaming
civic ocean
doesn't he get hurt by the blast of the suns tho
i know that he absorbs suns when they are shot at him directly
what a sad boy
tho you could argue that that's just the Earth's moon and that's valid I guess
tho it is a moon and the solar saint isn't only invulnerable to one specific star
jolly mortar
It's not technically a moon if you've already fired the Earth.
night ginkgo
he's just not evil enough to block a moon
strange mist
It's not a moon anymore if you fired the planet that the used-to-be moon orbited around
proper oxide
lmao true
civic ocean
Is solegionaire blocking random? I can't really see much order in it
I did a second playthrough recently and used direct planet shots against them all the time and they never seemed to deflect any
they also seem to take damage from whisper's edge projectiles they deflect but I don't know what's up with whisper's edge projectiles quite a lot of the time
maybe they always take the damage from the edge of the projectile and then deflect the middle
night ginkgo
not random, yes they take damage from the edge if you aim correctly
they do block planets
civic ocean
they fail to block at least 99% of the time for me though
maybe a framerate thing
they take damage even from direct whisper's edge hits
night ginkgo
let me try rn
devout olive
randal in chat
civic ocean
Is the direct damage 7 as normal, plus then 3 if it's absorbed?
civic ocean
they never deflected star of torment for me, but seemed to be highly resistant to it
night ginkgo
yeah looks like planets don't get blocked
it might have been too strong
I can't remember lol
it's been ages since I've worked on these guys
they were like basically invincible at one point so got toned down
civic ocean
they do block suns though, that I know
crystal spruce
tho
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367135220241137667/802467047762034728...
Wait, where'd those cheats come from? 🤔
How'd you get infinite health/mana?
civic ocean
the codex lists those cheats
it's aeomega
is the powered whisper's edge halving its damage after the first hit a result of a nerf or is that how it's always been?
night ginkgo
hmm?
crystal spruce
the codex lists those cheats
Oh nice. 😄
civic ocean
it seems to do 32 on the first hit and 16 on following hits
crystal spruce
it seems to do 32 on the first hit and 16 on following hits
Wait, how are you coming across that info?
night ginkgo
he's a nerd
crystal spruce
Is there some damage numbers option?
civic ocean
shooting at shit a lot
crystal spruce
But then how do you know whether or not it's dealing 32 damage as opposed to, say, 20?
night ginkgo
I'll look into it in a min, I'm just compiling an engine
crystal spruce
Is this an estimation of some sort?
civic ocean
Leon gave away aeturnum damage and some boss health as reference
crystal spruce
Or did you actually find the files?
crystal spruce
Leon gave away aeturnum damage and some boss health as reference
Oh... nice. 😄
civic ocean
and I could just measure the rest
night ginkgo
I can give you all the values for the weapons if you want
civic ocean
I'd be glad, I think I've had my fun with trying to figure them out myself lol
devout olive
"fun"
civic ocean
idk i have fun with weird shit
I'm fairly certain about what most of the values are
but there's stuff like blast damage that isn't just static and I can only estimate
Spent much of my early teens browsing the tf2 and minecraft wikis and they documented all the values and shit
I couldn't even run minecraft on the PC I was using at the time (tf2 ran at like 10 fps and played it a bunch)
night ginkgo
og doom actually does that
jolly mortar
And it does really annoying things with pinkys where occasionally they take 3 shotgun shots instead of 2
civic ocean
revenant
night ginkgo
10-80 lmao
jolly mortar
It's wild. Get a bit of RNG and a zombie shotgunner can blast you.
jolly mortar
I think it's a typo. 10 d8 seems more in line
civic ocean
could be bugs too
civic ocean
ah
jolly mortar
Can't remember if they're bell shaped or even splits of 10
jolly mortar
Did you write it?
topaz gorge
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Leon_Zawada_(el_zee)
WOW who is this???
night ginkgo
some guy
jolly mortar
I hear they made some kind of doom mod.
civic ocean
is the Amid Evil doom wad released somewhere?
civic ocean
rip
i bet kid andrew composed some babymetal for it
that's how it should have been at least
i'm guessing you met Andrew because of rott2013, no?
night ginkgo
ye
topaz gorge
how wholesome
night ginkgo
lmao who told you???
night ginkgo
yup
proper oxide
Shame it had to happen
civic ocean
surely it must have been the game of the decade
proper oxide
Imagine how good ep2 would’ve been if Leon hadn’t been the one to work on it
night ginkgo
stfu I only did one level on ep2
proper oxide
You also did the shotgun
proper oxide
Actually what did you do in rott if you did neither of those?
Just sit around and take all the credit?
lilac copper
sat on his ass and ate chinese food
topaz gorge
he did the live action advertising
night ginkgo
sword soul mode: 16 damage
does double damage the first time though, not sure if that's intentional
night ginkgo
azure orb normal = 2
azure orb soul = 3
there's nothing in the sword code to say it does more than 16 damage
it can bounce
let me check my DPS calc
night ginkgo
it's 3
it can only apply 3 damage once, then it gets destroyed
I just double checked
civic ocean
does it shoot double orbs then?
civic ocean
it's 30 total so it has to be 3 x 10 in some way
night ginkgo
it shoots 5 per click
civic ocean
I've tried multiple enemies and I doubt all of those enemies have a 2x vulnerability to it
fire visages, sol butchers and giant protectors
night ginkgo
yeah
I just looked it up, it's hitting them twice somehow
this is some uber weird bug
bugged the whole time 😂
civic ocean
also just checked and solegionaired simply take the full damage of the whisper's edge before deflecting
night ginkgo
that's fine because they're like super strong otherwise
civic ocean
yeah
I also thought the whisper's edge intentionally did double damage on the first hit when powered up
night ginkgo
I'll have to investigate that too
civic ocean
idk if you do I'd prefer if it did double damage all the time
night ginkgo
I probably won't be changing these
because everyone is used to it
and it feels fine
I'd still like to figure out what's going on tho
it's very very weird
proper oxide
Why are you wasting brain cells on Perci tho 
night ginkgo
leave goblin
proper oxide
I’m in bumfuck nowhere California actually
proper oxide
I drove
night ginkgo
you chose to go to california
proper oxide
Not really
lilac copper
how much did you drink yesterday to find yourself in california
proper oxide
I told them I wanted to be an IT
and they told me to go to California for training
N e way enough about me I want to know how Leon curiously didn’t reply when I asked him what did he do for Rott2013
Kinda fishe tbh
night ginkgo
I did things
civic ocean
supplied guitar music during meetings
proper oxide
Oh wow you made content that didn’t make the cut into the main game
Very cool!
I’m sure dm2 was a very well received map for mp though
proper oxide
Speaking of RottMP gijz was here recently
civic ocean
what's a multiplayer without maps being used with 5x the intended player capacity
night ginkgo
calm down bro
smoky cypress
Amid bugs
civic ocean
None of these are bugs you'll notice unless you're actively looking for them lol
night ginkgo
Every game has bugs
civic ocean
Yeah
topaz gorge
ok
lethal elk
whos leon?
night ginkgo
Who knows
topaz gorge
mysteries of the new blood discord
night ginkgo
smoky cypress
None of these are bugs you'll notice unless you're actively looking for them lol
I didn't find any bugs and I played the game 2 times
I mean I found some bugs but only in the beta of some episodes
smoky cypress
I didn't find any bugs and I played the game 2 times
*in the finished content
night ginkgo
That's nice
proper oxide
Leon is no more
frigid moth
proper oxide
analog silo
why is it 30 minutes long
frigid moth
why isn't it longer
crimson shuttle
what is that video
it looks like it was downloaded through a dial up connection in the year 1999
solemn mango
crimson shuttle
proper oxide
bro thats not even funny
brazen forge
its still better than halo 2 on anything above normal
at least Ludicrious on ROTT 2013 has a rhythm, until you fight the bosses who you have to cheap out to win
Doyle is just mp40 shots behind cover and NME is just nuke spam.
I enjoyed it outside the bosses though.
proper oxide
i was able to cheese every boss in rott2013
brazen forge
Honestly I dont see why you'd play as any character outside of Lorelei or Barret
Ability to avoid damage > larger health pool
topaz gorge
crimson shuttle
i like to play as ian paul freely because his name is funny
analog silo
more like ian paul $40
crimson shuttle
cue laughtrack
raven drift
that 2nd boss kicked my ass but it looks pretty cool so I aint complaining
civic ocean
dewit
devout nexus
Yes
lilac copper
no
topaz gorge
no
wispy estuary
No
frosty drift
no
wispy estuary
The game is actually canceled thnx
long hollow
no
vocal ingot
no
manic dragon
very well
civic ocean
ah yes
i just realized that back when i said that the forgemaster seemed to have a 50% resistance against the powered azure orb it could have been caused by its damage not being registered twice against him somehow. might have to do with his invulnerability mechanics.
analog silo
does aeurp do anything or is it just for funnies
lethal elk
funni
lethal elk
the atmosphere is going to be great
night ginkgo
it's p cool
signal quartz
Looks promising, good job, Indefatigable!
night ginkgo
wispy estuary
Leon give me the rights to your game thanks
night ginkgo
um how much are you offering
wispy estuary
1 kiwi and an emu
night ginkgo
denied
signal quartz
Leon is for 1 Chinese food...no?
proper oxide
if ur in the black labyrinth then why is there a jungle wtf false advertisement much???
proper oxide
seems like the dlc should be called "The Black Labyrinth and the drive there as well"
night ginkgo
lmao
dry drift
are there beans in the black labrynth?
or a little pink guy
idk leon
there better be a beans secret 👀
dry drift
yooo
civic ocean
wow amid evil
night ginkgo
8MIT 3V1L
frigid moth
Evl
civic ocean
Evol
crystal spruce
Amid evil dlc?
Never heard of
night ginkgo
topaz gorge
is amid evil the sequel to rise of the triad 3: the uprising
strange mist
Rise of the Triad 4: Champion's Awakening
tardy cove
topaz gorge
he wants more
lilac copper
and he has every right to do so 
rustic barn
Cringe consumer
topaz gorge
so like imagine leon [amid evil dev] in a car
and he drives past a building containing chinese food
what would he do next?
night ginkgo
There's a button above as well, head back out to the main area near the start and go up the ramp along the wall
raven drift
Thanks I figured it out4
raven drift
ok this game's final boss was really epic
civic ocean
yeah very evil
raven drift
now it's time for me to replay on hard
civic ocean
go evil
or idk whatever you feel like
it's not much harder than hard, just a few things
need more souls, enemies take just a bit more hits to kill and you take a bit more damage
visual sail
I thought the damage was the same across difficulties
civic ocean
but it's not a huge difference. soul mode is probably the most noticeable
visual sail
It was just souls, health, and spawn sets
visual sail
Damage from all enemies? I remember testing some damage on evil and it not being different
civic ocean
you take about 20% more damage on evil
and enemies also have 25% more health. bosses have 33% more
except some enemies that don't have health scaling due to some bug
visual sail
Hmm curious to test it later. I've done a few evil playthrus but never looked at the specifics much
I thought the player damage remained the same but evil just gave higher hp enemies and tougher spawn sets for the most part vs easy
civic ocean
it's not a big difference
visual sail
But probably mis remembering
civic ocean
if you shoot yourself with a planet you take 12 damage on hard and 14 on evil, and other damage seems to scale by a similar amount too
raven drift
any tips you can give going into hard for this game?
civic ocean
you'll need more souls for soul power on hard
just use your weapons well and don't stop moving
raven drift
I didn't use the soul alt fire all that much because I was worried I was gonna waste it
is that a bad habit?
civic ocean
well, you should look for cases where you can use it, but even using it right away is fine usually
you get plenty of souls
raven drift
alright
civic ocean
though keeping it isn't a bad habit either
raven drift
episode 7 kinda kicked my ass first try
civic ocean
it's good as a fallback option for when shit goes wrong
powered azure orb deletes stuff easily
civic ocean
yes
all weapons have uses
try them out, you get enough mana to experiment a little bit
visual sail
I just tested the damage and was taking the same amount from enemies on evil vs easy
3 damage per hit from the sentinel knights on both difficulties
night ginkgo
yeah they do the same damage, they just have more health+speed+ there are more of them
visual sail
I didn't use the soul alt fire all that much because I was worried I was gonna w...
Since you really liked intruder mode and CM on dusk I'd just say go for evil + warrior + auto soul. No worrying about when to use soul power and the weapon layout collection order felt really nice. I liked warrior mode a ton better in amid evil than intruder mode on dusk.
raven drift
Since you really liked intruder mode and CM on dusk I'd just say go for evil + w...
I wanna try to beat it on hard first since medium was already pretty hard
but dusk was also hard in the beginning for me but since I liked the game so much I wanted to improve
same for this game
analog silo
Beat it on evil first
civic ocean
3 damage per hit from the sentinel knights on both difficulties
meanwhile lunar deacons deal 7 on hard and 8 on evil
there's certainly some scaling
but as I said it's more apparent with celestial claw self damage
lethal elk
iirc someone was complaining about how the damage values enemies give is kinda out of whack
since it jumps around between difficulty
civic ocean
it doesn't really
might have some double regs though
anyway there's certainly some damage scaling
Leon not knowing the game again smh
night ginkgo
I don't think there is
solemn mango
Been a while since I played amid evil, but I remember evil difficulty being fine mostly
night ginkgo
yeah evil is find if you're a chad
topaz gorge
wish amid evils is real
send a lifetime supply of chinese food to leon
odd vigil
i've died more to falling off the map on evil difficulty than i have to actual enemies
how 2 get gud pls help
civic ocean
walk on the ground
raven drift
i've died more to falling off the map on evil difficulty than i have to actual e...
that feel when you're fighting enemies on a very small space and fall to your death
crystal spruce
I think I can faithfully recreate the weapons and other items of Amid Evil in the GZDoom engine. 😄
It'd certainly be fun to do so!
odd vigil
that feel when you're fighting enemies on a very small space and fall to your de...
lol yes
especially those fucking bugs
crystal spruce
Question... does the Whisper's Edge deal extra damage to a monster if it's close enough to you (as in, does the weapon itself launch a melee attack in addition to launching a blade)?
night ginkgo
Question... does the Whisper's Edge deal extra damage to a monster if it's close...
no it's projectile only
someone had already had a go at makin weapons in zdoom
crystal spruce
someone had already had a go at makin weapons in zdoom
I see I'm not the first.
However, I mean it when I say I could do so faithfully. 🙂
crystal spruce
Get exact damage numbers, paint over the sprites to make 'em mesh into Doom a lot better, get the items too.
(Items are easy here, they're just health and ammo.) 😛
BTW, still impressed the weapons are actually sprites rendered from 3D models and aren't 3D models themselves.
Usage of PBR here really fooled me. 😄
civic ocean
weapon damage is on the wiki now somewhat
crystal spruce
Ah sweg. 😄
civic ocean
needs some scaling for doom probably, though
crystal spruce
Oh it might. I did it for my own mod which attempted (successfully) to do the same thing with DOOM (2016). 😉
Waaaaaait a sec... I thought the empowered Axe of the Black Labyrinth pulled targets...
https://amidevil.gamepedia.com/Axe_of_the_Black_Labyrinth
night ginkgo
just the standard attack
lilac copper
soul mode axe is for scuba diving
if you cant afford subnautica you can just go swim with the propeller axe and it's almost the same thing
civic ocean
tbh it'd be better in my opinion if the powered attack also pulled targets
it also doesn't have the damage bonuses the standard attack has
lilac copper
nothing is ever enough for you perci
civic ocean
btw does the voltride's soul mode affect the chain lightning in any way? the damage doesn't seem to change.
maybe the range does but I couldn't really confirm it with testing
crystal spruce
tbh it'd be better in my opinion if the powered attack also pulled targets
Agreed.
civic ocean
evil leon
crystal spruce
needs some scaling for doom probably, though
Looked through all the damage values listed there, and I've determined they're already optimal for Doom. 😄
Lots of single-digit numbers there.
civic ocean
idk AE doesn't have regular enemies with 1000 health, highest is 250
a 2x multiplication would be sensible imo
maybe even higher
crystal spruce
I'm surprised the Celestial Claw's explosion damage isn't too impressive, either. 🤔
civic ocean
I don't know how the actual blast damage is, but it most likely just scales linearly with distance
some enemies have a vulnerability to it and it attacks faster than the star of torment so it outdamages it usually
crystal spruce
BTW... I also imagined what it'd be like if one could temporarily activate Soul Power for each weapon.
As in... have it be its own ammo as well (500 units).
Press Alt-Fire to fire the powered shot, consume the increased amount of mana, and consume a proportional amount of Soul Power with it.
A common multiple of all four mana types is 500.
Blue: 500 / 250 = 2
Green: 500 / 100 = 5
Orange: 500 / 50 = 10
Purple: 500 / 20 = 25
civic ocean
it's not going to change I assume but it's interesting to think about nonetheless
crystal spruce
That's how much Soul Power should be consumed per unit of mana, should this system be implemented. 😄
crystal spruce
it's not going to change I assume but it's interesting to think about nonetheles...
Oh I know that, but yes, it'd be interesting. 😄
civic ocean
I like how it works atm, a simpler idea could be for the soul power to automatically end if you don't use any weapon for a few seconds
anyway it works fine
crystal spruce
Yep.
crystal spruce
Looked through all the damage values listed there, and I've determined they're a...
I take that back, I think it'd even need a damage boost to deal with monsters in Doom. 🤣
Like, probably x5-10.
civic ocean
at least 2x
crystal spruce
The Whisper's Edge deals 10 damage.
civic ocean
eh, I'd say x4 at most
crystal spruce
One pellet from either Shotgun or the Chaingun or Pistol is capable of dealing that damage too.
It'd be the clear choice for the Combat Shotgun replacer, so having it deal 100 damage wouldn't be totally out of the question in a Doom adaptation.
crystal spruce
Wait, no not 10x.
The Combat Shotgun fires 7 pellets each dealing 5 * 1d3 damage. Minimum would be 35, while max would be 105, and absolute average would be 70.
So probably about 5x.
Less than average damage compared to the Combat Shotgun, but it rips through enemies and is great for crowd control. 😉
Green Mana is at 100, like the 100 shells max capacity you get with the Backpack. 😄
civic ocean
I'd probably start with 2.5x eh 5x should be fine eh idk
crystal spruce
It's kinda funny how, in aesthetic, the Voltride is more like Doom's Chaingun (accurate hitscans, slower firing) and the Staff of the Azure Orb is more like Doom's Plasma Rifle (slow blue projectiles)... but in functionality, they're swapped.
(Then again, both of 'em deal the same amount of damage, albeit differing in DPS and "projectile" speed.)
civic ocean
it's difficult because Doom has a greater scale of health values
if you don't count the things that basically die in one hit, AE is 10 to 200 and Doom is 20 to 1000
if you optimize for the heaviest guys (5x), you get a voltride that kills zombiemen in two or three shots
if you optimize for the lightest (2x), a baron takes 20 planets to kill
crystal spruce
if you optimize for the heaviest guys (5x), you get a voltride that kills zombie...
A lot of your stuff can kill a zombieman in one shot, though.
Often multiple Zombiemen.
Those things are WEAK.
civic ocean
okay but a voltride peobably shouldn't do in 2
crystal spruce
2 bullets max to take out a Zombieman or Shotgun Guy.
Having the Voltride deal 10 damage per shot will do 2 for the Zombieman and 3 for the Shotgunner (same with the Azure Orb Staff).
civic ocean
I'd say 2x sounds better than 5x, probably a good inbetween would be 3x
but even 2x doesn't sound too bad. 20 planets per baron still sounds affordable
barons are tough af afterall
crystal spruce
Except it never takes 20 rockets to kill a Baron.
Rockets in Doom deal 20 * 1d8 impact damage.
Their explosions deal 128 damage.
Maximum, they'd be capable of dealing 288 damage.
civic ocean
Having the Voltride deal 10 damage per shot will do 2 for the Zombieman and 3 fo...
azure orb would instakill a zombieman for a single point of blue mana
lethal elk
barons take around 5 hits with a rocket to go down right?
crystal spruce
barons take around 5 hits with a rocket to go down right?
Yeah, roughly. 5-6.
crystal spruce
Celestial Claw deals 26 damage (76 powered). x5 = 130 damage (which is about the same as a Doom rocket's explosive damage) and 380 damage when powered up (but remember it takes 2 mana and you only have 50 orange mana to spare, as opposed to the 100 rockets you'd get in Doom).
civic ocean
you'd also need to implement overkills and stuff
crystal spruce
I forget how overkills happen. Is it when you cause a monster to explode into a mess of giblets, or deal too much damage, or what?
civic ocean
enemies have a negative health value under which they count as overkilled
civic ocean
I don't know those values, -10 is fairly common though
crystal spruce
A monster's gib health is determined by default to be a negative number with an absolute value equal to half of their original health.
Unless determined otherwise.
So, Zombiemen have a gib health of -10.
Imps got -30.
Pinkies got -75.
civic ocean
i don't think pinkies gib in vanilla
crystal spruce
Wait, no, in Doom, monsters' gib health is the negative of their spawn health.
In all the other games, it's half.
crystal spruce
i don't think pinkies gib in vanilla
They don't 'cuz they don't have XDeath animations defined.
By default.
open path
Hey, AFAIK only monsters with XDeath state are
Zombies
Shotgunners
Chaingunners
And nazi
crystal spruce
Either way... 5x damage from what's featured in Amid Evil to translation in Doom really ain't asking too much. Remember also that the Cyberdemon has 4000 health.
crystal spruce
Zombies
Shotgunners
Chaingunners
And nazi
Lemme add Imps to that.
open path
You're right
civic ocean
okay but cyberdemons are bosses
crystal spruce
And the player.
crystal spruce
okay but cyberdemons are bosses
Wasn't the highest-health monster set at 250 health or something?
open path
okay but cyberdemons are bosses
It's used as such in Ultimate Doom, though you can place Cybies at will in the Doom Builder
crystal spruce
Precisely.
They can spawn a lot more often if you want 'em to.
And many want 'em to.
Hell, they did so in DOOM Eternal.
I reduce all values taken from DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal to 40%, to better scale to the proportions of the OG Doom games in my own mod.
The Tyrant there has 10,000 health. Reducing that to 40% puts it at 4,000 (the original health of the Cyberdemon, the monster the Tyrant clearly resembles).
So if you think Tyrants fall a little too easily there, blame it on the weapons. 😛
Anyway, I digress.
crystal spruce
Yeah I did that... like I said, I digressed, but the point is, these monsters are basically huge monsters, and not so much boss monsters (since they spawn frequently enough).
Therefore, I still don't think it's asking too much to multiply the damage by 5 when translating the weapons of Amid Evil to the OG Doom. 😉
topaz gorge
i hope that 10.7% have played the game and are either continuously running it or removing the community
and not people who have not played the game
night ginkgo
Lmao I have done that, a lot
thick onyx
Been there
night ginkgo
Mainly games from bundles
civic ocean
not wanting every game from a bundle doesn't necessarily mean that it's not worth buying
raven drift
I have a personal problem with this
I would always be like hmmm i'll buy it now and play it later
visual sail
Buying a new game and not playing it but instead playing the same old games over and over is the story of my life.
raven drift
Buying a new game and not playing it but instead playing the same old games over...
you and I have the same story
topaz gorge
me too but i hope to go through them
raven drift
the forges has got to be the most infuriating episode of this entire game lol
analog silo
yeah its tough
left off on map 2, it's pretty hard
what difficulty are you playing on?
solemn mango
bomb the shit out of those bastards
civic ocean
metal hooker
topaz gorge
can we be amid good in the next dlc
proper oxide
Can we be beyond evil in the dlc
grand haven
How about adjacent to moral ambiguity?
analog silo
amid neutral
topaz gorge
amid
civic ocean
Under Evil
analog silo
around evil
topaz gorge
over evil
analog silo
on top of evil
civic ocean
Opposite to Evil
analog silo
behind evil
civic ocean
Inside Evil
analog silo
unfortnite sexmen
topaz gorge
wow
analog silo
wow
brazen herald
amid us 😳
analog silo
among evil
lilac copper
frigid moth
Laugf
silk ledge
laff
frigid moth
l
silk ledge
do we know if the black labrinth is gonna be a paid dlc or what
civic ocean
yes, it will probably be half the base game's price
silk ledge
ok thank you
topaz gorge
leon needs to food buy
crystal spruce
Leon needs borger
crystal spruce
Knee-deep in the neutral. 😛
smoky cypress
In the next dlc should be just called evil, since as far as I know it's a prequel, and the champion isn't the champion anymore but just a heretic
Behind evil
crystal spruce
do we know if the black labrinth is gonna be a paid dlc or what
Wait a sec... I thought we were in the Black Labyrinth before... that hub world that allowed us to traverse between worlds with ease.
Certainly wasn't black, but who gives a damn? 😛
But if it wasn't, then I'm excited to see what more would come from this new world.
smoky cypress
do we know if the black labrinth is gonna be a paid dlc or what
Idk but Leon needs money for his chinese food and it's probably going to be worth it
smoky cypress
Idk but Leon needs money for his chinese food and it's probably going to be wort...
Probably it's going to be underpriced for its quality unless Leon bought a whole track full of Chinese food and really needs money
smoky cypress
But if it wasn't, then I'm excited to see what more would come from this new wor...
I am a little rusty in this game but I'm pretty sure the hub isn't the labyrinth
night ginkgo
It's more like an expansion pack than dlc
frosty drift
expand dong
smoky cypress
I am a little rusty in this game but I'm pretty sure the hub isn't the labyrinth
It's called something along the lines of the sanctuary
night ginkgo
The hub is the gateway of the ancients
silk ledge
Idk but Leon needs money for his chinese food and it's probably going to be wort...
i will happily pay for his chinese food
smoky cypress
Yes I would also pay for a time machine to play it sooner™
silk ledge
major anticipation for everything new blood rn
black labrinth
faith
fallen aces
gloomwood
act 2 of ultrakill
unfortunate spacemen traitor update
and dusk 2: dawn
so yeah we need that time machine
smoky cypress
and dusk 2: dawn
Wait is that real?
smoky cypress
I got bamboozled
I haven't actually played ultra kill yet but it seems really cool
silk ledge
highly recommend
smoky cypress
I cen tell you like it
silk ledge
out of all the new blood games its my favorite
smoky cypress
Damn
silk ledge
oh yeah my pfp
smoky cypress
That's a high bar
smoky cypress
Oof for amid noodles
smoky cypress
AE is my personal favorite so far
smoky cypress
But I only played dusk and unfortunate spaceman other than ae
silk ledge
But I only played dusk and unfortunate spaceman other than ae
try the demos for gloomwood and faith
and ultrakill
smoky cypress
Ultra kill first i am thinking about playing gloom wood when it's released so I can play the whole game in a row but idk maybe I'll play it sooner
Also I want to play thief first
strong parcel
smoky cypress
I have no idea