1 O'Clock / LOVE

[slim plinth]

removing the “seal” and adding the “love” or something silly

[hollow plover]

what if i got the 3 stacks of the The light of thier love and goes to maldraxes for olgra or goes to tanaris for mankrik ?

[safe vine]

yes. according to josh, we were meant to stumble on those first. because we HAVE to cheat for the anagram

[muted blaze]

Guys, the LHC is not a note, it is a clue as in it should be used to solve something else, not itself. The lhc has 9 words and structure of 6,1,2.
There are 9 interactive objects with capital letters in their names. EDD SO F RB RJ P BGDR UJ LHC SC, i havent tried anything those characters yet, also, another lead could be the WHEN YOU LOVE WHAT YOU DO, WELL, DIFFICULT CHALLENGES as it matches some of the characters

[safe hound]

Yup and we specifically asked last week if its an anagram that just needs to be search brute force or if theres logic to itx because none of us wanted to sit here spamming different anagrams for the same fucking string lol

[vital karma]

there is basically no way to make a hard anagram in chinese too, even if the translation team were to do it as intended

[proper quiver]

a partial one

[polar yacht]

Yeah, definitely. There are three places in the world where it works and eventually someone would have walked into one.

[slim plinth]

we mentioned this too !!

we really were right there

i’m satisfied with that

[sleek siren]

they got results by knowing the solution. You won't get anything if you didn't know the solution thus making this step an RNG one, basically by scanning Draenor and Broken Isles mentioned in the note.

[safe hound]

You can come up with some, theres full anagrams of the lhc thats the funny thing and some with the right word structure. But how do you verify lmao and whats the point in guessing the right version

[astral bane]

I do agree a bit with this, had it not been for the advise to start fresh I would've just kept going trying to mash words in there

[proper quiver]

make "start" fresh by rearranging

[strong void]

Josh can you somehow confirm if in FR (and maybe other lang), the pronoun like L'ESPRIT count for 1 word and the ' was ommitted in LHC?)

[safe vine]

he is going to get all the translations from each localisation team for us soon

[safe hound]

Itd MAD that this is the approach. Spam words that sort of fit and then stick in some letters cus were shot lmao

[shell gyro]

omg and i even forgot that i mentioned to add ratts to it... 😭

[fair condor]

I don't have an issue with that. It's an interesting narrative to make it "unsolvable" in itself. What bothers me is him later saying it's solvable with just the information in the room. It just isn't. At all

[safe hound]

Like how is that a clever or fun solution

Throw shit out there lmao

[safe vine]

yep

[rotund shard]

I think when my ask josh timer is up ill ask about the potential coincidence of the entire Chinese solution being in lhc+gibberish+sealed clue.

[strong void]

Cool, I end up with so many U L and N ^^

[safe hound]

Ah im done im not even going for bike lol

Just fucked up mistook this for somethting else

[safe vine]

you aint solving this

[cerulean mason]

french has more than 1 "L" per word

have fun

[slim plinth]

So; just to summarize!

-It’s “extremely narratively appropriate that this puzzle had to be cheated past”because it was not meant to be solved before being breadcrumbed to a partial solution

-The puzzle being “incomplete” and “unsolveable” was literal, and the anagram was not arranged with any logic because it was supposed to be unsolvable without context

-Ratts removed her own name from the anagram because she’s bitter lmao

[safe hound]

And the route forwards is to guess the words josh used

[rotund shard]

I would be interested to see a total word count curated with all the nonsense, obsolete etc words cut out. I still think its in the tens of thousands unfortunately.

[slim plinth]

I do see the vision though; the word “lovingly handcrafted” breadcrumbs you towards Olgra’s grave

[safe hound]

I have a list ar home of about 10 stupid anagrams that fit and a few that could mean something. Others posted some yesterday too

[safe hound]

Oh yeah for sure if you want the orb its there

But then why finish this off

[muted blaze]

Wait what, somebody solved it?

[safe hound]

If its not a fun process to solve

[safe hound]

You stick ratts in and guess anagrams

[proper quiver]

do they also fit the format hinted by the clue? with spaces and commas?

[safe hound]

Yes some

[safe vine]

Check the pins

[safe hound]

Not with ratys though but you could probably find some others with other words tou could shove on in there

[slim plinth]

So I guess the answer to the “appropriateness” of this puzzle going unsolved literally comes from the fact that we were never meant to solve it

[high stone]

Alright, I leave this now with a good anagram for this story after adding ratts.
Good luck to those who stay.

[safe hound]

Yeah for the love of play lmao

[slim plinth]

we were always just meant to be breadcrumbed to olgra by the wording and then connect the dots

[safe hound]

As if theres not better puzzle games

[slim plinth]

This was fun, honestly

I understand why some people are upset

[olive minnow]

Just opened the Vigenere site, and this was my last attempt that's been saved. 😂 Just so I can say Ratts hasn't been ignored.

[safe hound]

Yeaahh was fun woorking. It out with you guys

Just mismatched expectations for some j guess who wanted a logic to find

[proper quiver]

I did this early on too lol

[safe hound]

Yah

[slim plinth]

but I’m satisfied with the design even if i’m not particularly thrilled that brute forcing anagrams with likely words was the best method from the start

[safe hound]

When the anagram approach cleaely generated alternate solutions jts like surely theres a trick

Not stick more characters at it trick

But logic

To the ordering

[slim plinth]

Ok time to get out of bed and get cracking on 9

we don’t necessarily have to rejoin that channel just yet though

[proper quiver]

I think understanding the psychology behind ratts is helpful

[slim plinth]

The Beginners Guide to Dimensional Rifting allowed her to “remove herself” from the location

which letters?

[olive minnow]

Or she could've just walked out of her own lair. 😛

[daring herald]

I look forward to when the complete Secret is solved; there are so many pieces outside of the anagram puzzle that can help lead you to Olgra.

Initial reaction to this solutions was 'But why male models?'

[fair condor]

It doesn't really in other localizations so that is a weak argument too

[burnt hearth]

you have extra letters after every word that are not in the original clue.

[echo maple]

Lol indeed, how did these get there

[slim plinth]

Hmm, decidedly Inelegant

[slim plinth]

It’s like we all said a couple days ago; people would have exhaustively checked all instances of “love” long before the solution was found so we would never have truly been “stuck” on this puzzle

[echo maple]

Sorry I had extra letters for some unknown reason. Heres the correct anagram

[slim plinth]

ahhh

[fair condor]

I don't have an issue with the concept of an unsolvable puzzle that gets "side channel attacked" as it were. I have a problem with the creator saying it's solvable with just the information in the room. It's nonsense

[ashen tapir]

yeah, maybe we need to get "How Ratt start that?"
What crime did her mention that started with the quest there in Dornogal? That a Dalaran refugee diary told us... Maybe what we're looking for lies in this

[keen quarry]

so is there a list of the actual solutions in the other languages now that we know what was missing?

[echo maple]

Yeah, unfortunately seems like Josh did stumble a few times

[sleek siren]

We would have not found any meaning if it wasn't for the Chinese bug. Our basic clues were love, Draenor, Broken Isles and maybe the dimensional books in Azsuna. That's it. Pure rng, scanning the world with the torch.

[slim plinth]

I guess it was solveable just never meant to be solved

but that’s why I’m proud of the people in this channel

because we solved it anyway

even though actually doing that was seemingly never a part of the game plan

[cerulean mason]

i mean yea that's fine

but the game should hint at it being like a thing you're supposed to cheat and bruteforce and not let you do 10 other orbs without answers

[main rune]

I already miss this channel, there's a 2 min slowmode in #felcycle-solved-read-only

[ashen tapir]

Why are you guys saying goodbye? What did I miss? Did you guys manage to come up with a good enough answer?

[slim plinth]

Anyway I know it’s kinda disappointing but Regardless i’m proud of what we accomplished here and i think you should pat yourselves on the back anyway

[spring swift]

yes, solution is pinned (and on the wiki)

[astral bane]

Yeah, #1 was solved. Check pin!

[ashen tapir]

Oh

[slim plinth]

Yuppers, the word missing was Ratts

[echo maple]

Tbh players will always brute force things, even they are given all the tools

[tulip vault]

I think this puzzle was meant to take the longest to solve. Certainly of the puzzles we've seen so far, an anagram with missing text and no clear indication of what words to make out of it would take awhile for sure.

[slim plinth]

I’m fairly positive this puzzle was meant to not be solved but rather “cheated past”

[spring swift]

even if the chinese solution didn't come about early, we found olgra like day 1 of guest relations

someone would've checked all 3 olgras and gotten the buffs

[sleek siren]

Good point. Same as Papa Duck and the lost feathers guest relations quest

[astral bane]

Yeah. I'm not sure I'd have thought to put the proper name Olgra in there with no other context clues, and this is my orc warrior 😐

[hexed fable]

I'm still suffering in Spanish xD I need to solve this and know what it says 😭

[slim plinth]

are you Mahka

[ashen tapir]

Oh, that's it then. Congratulations guys, I loved being here with you these days, congratulations to everyone, you were amazing in any way. Amazing community. Thanks Josh for all this elaboration. You guys are awesome!

[dire sequoia]

I was reaaally into this one and stopped just a few hours ago. Did I miss the final answer? And how did we approach it? Can't check pinned messages on mobile 😦

[spring swift]

tap the thread title, then settings, then 'pins'

[dire sequoia]

Oh thanks!

[slim plinth]

Don’t be too disappointed but seemingly the intended approach was brute force as the anagram was never meant to be solved

The missing word is Ratts

Missing word bros stay winning

[fair condor]

I'll have a look in like an hour or so. I'm not a native speaker but I'm sure we can figure it out together

I'll help you

[lost tundra]

The real gotcha is the amount of complex theories the dev(s) will take inspiration from!

[somber glacier]

Just come back to see it has been solved
I Eagerly check the pins and see the solution
I'm freaking disapointed
I understand the concept and I can see why it's clever and fun
But as a solver it feels very wrong
And I think it's a really bad way to start such a massive secret

[dire sequoia]

GJ everyone, really.
Now knowing the answer I can say that I would never have guessed to add THESE letters to the solution. Always went for either light, or order, unsolvable, etc..

Thank you everyone for such a great time, thank you Josh for sticking around 🧡

[somber glacier]

Still Josh you did a really nice Job and I look forward solving your next masterpiece
In this secret or the next

[slim plinth]

For me I did try adding them at one point but I was so fixated on “undying orc and endless” and other stuff that i never figured it out

sadness

“Olgra” being in the solution is what causes me the most psychic damage of all

it’s so on the nose

[vivid wave]

Josh I know there are some haters but honestly I am very satisfied with the answer. It’s just “gotcha” enough to be funny. I do think the anagram is too long, but I think if enough people were working the ratts angle it would have worked itself out eventually. Overall still smiling at how silly the answer is a couple hours later.

[slim plinth]

I’m gonna get groceries I think and get cracking on 9 when I’m home. Once again thank you to everyone who stuck around and I’m glad we cracked it

[silver warren]

OLGRA BUSCA LA LUZ EN MENTE, CUERPO Y ESPÍRITU

[opal dune]

Well, darn, it was Ratts’ name?

[slim plinth]

wait so what’s the italian solution

[ashen tapir]

If some Brazilian needs too.. Olgra busca pela luz na mente, corpo e espirito

[vivid wave]

I think secretly I wanted some clever interaction with like character perspective and the sealed clue or some other object in the room, but that’s just because I wanted the answer to be like insanely out of the box

[slim plinth]

It was! combined with knowing “Olgra” was one of the words

[somber glacier]

Btw Someone solved it in french ?
Cause there's no G so Olgra is a no-go

[hexed fable]

there's no G in spanish... I can use "orco" but then there won't be an R to "cuerpo" T_T

[thorn summit]

Nice I can go to bed at normal times … oh wait f1 and 9Oclock

[slim plinth]

Oh yeah and btw It makes sense why Ratts got fired now

[silver warren]

there is a G in spanish

[hollow plover]

maybe there is something ... if we gonna say Olgra was a wife for Mankrik and there is gonna be a cheat so the alive one must be cheating .. so it's mankrik but with who ? .. with mahka ?

[somber glacier]

Not for Latam

[tulip vault]

Mankrik is having an affair! 😮

[strong void]

no and there a so many letters... tentative attached but i'm waiting for the solution at this point ^^

[muted blaze]

Well I wouldnt, but I almost added ratts, I was looking at it, but I am shit at anagrams and honestly I thought it would be a less lame solution...

[safe vine]

the translation is different for every region. josh is going to get a translated copy for us from each localisation team

[safe vine]

it will be impossible to solve it in french

[somber glacier]

Not trying to bragg but I tried adding Ratts
But since i was blinded by the chinese solution i didn't want to use what was already known and just shut the thing down thinking "it can be it"

[safe vine]

it is a 68 character anagram. its impossible.

[safe vine]

josh led us astray in many, many ways

dont be too upset. we had a lot of fun i think

we made a great team

[somber glacier]

He's a nice guy
But so evil

Yeah I had more fun here than trying to solve 9 😄

[muted blaze]

Well a detective title is needed, one of guest relatikns has you interacting with mankirk, so yeah, anyone without wow knowledge would just be able to point to the UI and remind you, but in my experience they wouldnt even know where to look first as wow is not know for its clear UX

[ashen tapir]

I really enjoyed it, it seems like I'm even smarter hahahah

Now I'm going to help at 9 o'clock. The connection between mind, body and spirit can be linked to the doors and the room.

Thanks guys

[hollow plover]

then answer me this question ... why mahka near Mankrik in Tanaris ?

[tulip vault]

Yea, but I do think "stepping back" and looking at all elements on your screen may be what is needed for 9 o'clock as well

[strong void]

btw is the progress warbound? tired of getting my main to KZ

[hexed fable]

Why does the localization team get so fancy with the latam translations? 😂

[safe hound]

I have a problen with a puzzle that has a couple of valid solutuons with no verifiable solution. If we didnt know the chinese translation… why isnt it the one the dude did yesterday that had words that fit without needing to shove in ratts lmao

[spring swift]

no, these are per-character. you can get to kara easily by taking the portal from legion dalaran

[muted blaze]

I think we learnt that wiki lacks a lot of details, we now have to start including objectives from the ui as well...

[spring swift]

it's a wiki, so if there's something missing, edit it to add it!

[safe hound]

Anyways ill really miss this nonsensense! Hated it had fun cant wait for next time gl guys!

[ashen tapir]

oh my on 9 o'clock its complete chaos

[quiet adder]

yeah i miss it here, it was so much nicer

[ashen tapir]

by the way... look like Ratts 😄 hahahahah

[opal dune]

Wait until 9 is solved then more people start coming in here thinking we’re 10

[dense sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-goodbye-everyone-ill-remember-you-all-in-therapy-therapy-gif-21654437

[coral sail]

thats what you get for taking a nap i guess ^^
But was fun all along

see you all in 9 o'clock

[muted blaze]

Whatever the case, guess I have to catch up on all the other pillars as I solely wanted to solve this sequentially and just did the chinese solution and then the pandaria pug thing and I feel like I am too far behind and the history of all the other chats is too huge to comb through

[viscid ocean]

Omg, grats everyone! We are free! (To go to 9 o clock 💀)

[merry meteor]

I ain't going there.

I'll rejoin the secret hunt on 10, chat for 9 seems unironically six times worse than what we had going here.

Because they can't even settle on what they are working towards. We at least knew it was LHC

[astral bane]

Mankrik's wife has been dead 20 years. Let the guy remarry

[somber glacier]

Waiting for translations now cause i'm not doing the work on french with that many words

[terse sail]

We had such a great time here though!

[onyx briar]

just woke up. such an incredibly disappointing solution and Josh's "tips" were just plain misleading. as an alliance player I have no idea who olgra is. I only knew her as "mankrik's wife" in vanilla, but I dont think I dealt with her in WoD nor SL, so I would have never guessed her name - so how would a new player? wondering how extremely far fetched 9 o'clock will be now looking at this first step

[sleek siren]

It is what it is.

[coral sail]

What approaches are you taking for 9?
I have my money on the scholo candle grid. Sounds fun ^^

[terse sail]

Regardless how you feel about the solution though, I'm glad I had fun with you all these past few days. Had some genuine laughs from it, so thank you all

[mighty sail]

Afaik alliance players only interact with her in SL, and possibly only if they join the maldraxxus covenant. I feel like most people have heard of "mankrik's wife", but maybe not her actual name

[onyx briar]

it is what it is but I still wanted to express my thoughts on it after all this time

[coral sail]

ye in the end i think you do needed some lore and it was relevant. But its prob hard to give clues without breaking the mystery

[merry meteor]

I still like the guy who mapped out candles underneath the Ratts platform. But it seems like everyone abandoned that idea.

[slim plinth]

mhm!

[astral bane]

I am a simple sheep and am equally convinced of all theories. Plus, I feel like this reveal for orb #1 just sort of makes me distrust the puzzles, because "Ratts" cheats, and since 9 is apparently the hardest one, perhaps there's some completely silly trick to it too that I'll never figure out

[terse sail]

It's an important thing to figure out for sure! Now that we know Ratts cheats, we can think in different ways

[sleek siren]

Can feel you. Feels a bit rng if it wasn't for the Chinese thing.

[coral sail]

In the end the "Orb" on the Shelf was not used so maybe we need to connect it to the portal, so the Naga theory would make more sence

[astral bane]

The herd is fickle. It seems people just get stuck on an idea for a little while, go all out on it, and then completely forget about it an hour later

Josh has noted several times that people make correct suggestions but like the ADHD-y peeps we are, people don't follow them through to the end

[versed obsidian]

Kinda just assumed that the torch reacting was an indicator the torch was needed with Olgra

[coral sail]

could be but it is for the most of the secrets of azeroth thing

[merry meteor]

It is extremely difficult to follow a train of thought if you look away to check 1 thing and there is 150+ new messages.

[mighty sail]

it's not really about getting distracted, it's about having a million plausible ideas but no way to know if you're actually on to something

which one do you follow?

[ashen tapir]

Ill make the same

[onyx briar]

I still hope josh is allowed by his evil superiors to do more hard puzzles in the future(I was so disappointed when muffinus and celestalon moved on to other things and blizzard stopped doing them other than really lame ones), but without a lot of maths problems, obscure names in solutions(huge difference between olgra and, say, illidan) and mostly based on in-game knowledge. so I hope Josh doesnt look too negative on my and others feedback. you can be disappointed in some things in an event, but enjoy the event as a whole @ josh (not tagging)

[terse sail]

Feedback is always welcome I think! As long as it's constructive (which a lot of people have trouble with in general)

[coral sail]

Online Feedback culture

[terse sail]

Right? For a lot of people, feedback is either "it's awesome!" or "it sucks!", with no inbetween or clarification 😅

[astral bane]

Unsure if this is a poor suggestion, but I think I might've preferred if the red herrings ended up being obvious red herrings —like the "red hair-ing" and the "Rosy Sprat". They telegraphed that they were deadends. If there are intentionally misleading content in there, I'd like for there to eventually be a point where it lets us know that we can drop it, rather than waste days on a futile endeavour

[coral sail]

90% "it sucks" and maybe 10% is "decent"
we dont say that something is good most of the time.
If something works it mostly gets accepted
If something does not work -> shitstorm

[mighty sail]

that's true with feedback pretty much everywhere, people who don't feel strongly about things rarely leave any

and negative feedback in general is far more likely to be left than positive feedback

[ashen tapir]

I loved all the work. And I also hope he(josh) is happy. I confess that I had never participated in any of this, now that I have had a little more time I stopped to participate and it was precisely all the peculiarity of the puzzles that made me be here, with this whole community. What a good feeling!

[onyx briar]

he would notice more positive feedback if we could tag him lol

[astral bane]

I will definitely say that giving us this entire catacomb full of clues was brilliant. When we finally found the catacombs, entered, and realized we had an entire playground to ourselves - brilliant moment. It gave the whole secret an achor point.

[onyx briar]

@ashen tapir I think he wrote in another channel that he was let down or something by the negative feedback to this solution

[coral sail]

i think in this community there is a lot of positive feedback
but generally online communication with strangers is doomed, look at standard m+ gaming ^^

[onyx briar]

thats why I wanted to express my negative thoughts here, but also know that as a whole him doing this puzzle is something Im extremely happy about, but I dont know if he will see it since I dont want to tag him with feedback if he is already in a bad space from this

[coral sail]

feels like a base of some sort, i think thats very cool and clever design for a big event/secret like this

[astral bane]

Precisely! I'd love for that to be a reoccuring thing in future secrets

[fringe hill]

Solution found it sounds like? Just checking in for the day

[onyx briar]

yeah its in the pins

[quiet adder]

he wrote on #secret-finding . It would be great if we could show him some appreciation

[fringe hill]

Can’t check pins on mobile for a thread.

Could you @ me in a reply spud?

[spring swift]

sure you can. tap the thread title up top, tap settings, then tap pins

[coral sail]

#1308885127819952158 message

[fringe hill]

Oh weird, they put it in settings for a thread. Got it, thanks!

[onyx briar]

posting here if there are more people on a phone

[faint drift]

It seems that we have to use more than once 3 letters in english (G H N), it's complicated to try in french so

[onyx briar]

@faint drift no, all letters only used once. I just checked not long ago

[slim plinth]

Oh I’m glad it was Trashman who finally got it

Because like he was around a whole lot

[rapid pier]

This is all well and very, very good, BUT....how does this get us to Olgra???? and Mankrik???

[slim plinth]

Olgra is right in the answer

[onyx briar]

lol yeah its right there

[merry meteor]

My feelings on the puzzle are mixed. Narratively - makes sense, Ratts wasn't actually good at making puzzles. And because this references past of the world, it does feel like it was supposed to be a clue she created before, so it referenced history of the world.

I agree with Josh said (and others, here mentioned) about the puzzle, though - even without understanding the clue, people WOULD have found the tombstone, eventually. And it'd show them that there is more parts to it, because the orb is not complete. So we would get this solved, sooner or later.

But at the same time, I also agree with what other people said. The anagram itself has... Probably hundreds of thousands of valid solutions? It's too big for a simple anagram. Hindsight considered, I think some of the hints Josh has given us here, should have been in the game as part of the dataset, and at least narrow it down somehow. We couldn't have been sure that structure of LHC was relevant to the solution. Etc, etc. It basically means, that you get anywhere between 100 and 300 thousand possible anagrams, that you need to filter out and find the ones that could be relevant. And including a name like Olgra in there means that most automated tools would skip right over it.

[onyx briar]

I agree that I dont think a name should be in the solution and especially something many alliance players wouldnt have a clue about

[rapid pier]

Please for this dumb old lady, I don't see how

[slim plinth]

@cloud terrace But hey, massive congratulations to you, You were in here working hard the whole while

[safe hound]

Sometimes this is because the right suggestions are maybe random af and not very interesting to solve, and usually you can just test it instead of floating it

[fringe hill]

Okay seeing that Josh made that post, did one of us figure it out or were we just so close that he went ahead and gave it to us?

[slim plinth]

“Olgra seeks the light in Mind, Body, and soul” explicitly points to visiting Olgra in “mind body and soul” and “seeks the light” implies using our torch

[merry meteor]

Trashman was one character off, basically

[safe hound]

I lovve the maths problems i just wish they were better signposted so you know what you’re going for but i had so much fun and frustrations part of it 🤣

[coral sail]

Still wondering what the solution is in German
We dont have a single O 😂

[onyx briar]

@safe hound yeah but Im pretty sure you are in the less than 1% that do

[faint drift]

oh i'm bad, i try with excel, i retry >_<

[slim plinth]

Yeah Trashman had all the right words in the sentence they were just in a different order and since the anagram wasn’t scrambled with any reversible logic it’s not technically any less correct than the original string

[rapid pier]

My point is why would we spell Olgra in the first place without foreknowledge. None was required. That anagram could spelled practically anything.

[coral sail]

In germany its still 1 o'clock it seems -.-

[timid niche]

https://tenor.com/view/kelsey-kelbpov-weirdosquad-lokilovers-kels-gif-24853530

[spring swift]

the point is that the first clue was deliberately incomplete and unfair

that gives us insight into how ratts' makes other puzzles

[astral bane]

Yeah, it was unfair. We didn't really have much incentive to spell Olgra beyond that the note was "lovingly" handcrafted, and her monument in the Barrens uses the same word. But it was unfair on purpose

[onyx briar]

@timid niche oook?

[timid niche]

Lol wrong one sorry

[fair condor]

I spent like 5 minutes firing the super soaker toy in "the room" trying to put out fires. No ragrets tbh

[safe hound]

Agreed, and some of the matshy stuff could actually be rewritten so that its approachable without knowing youre even doing maths its exclusive for no reason, should be shown in game

[tall narwhal]

it being unfair on purpose doesn't necessarily make it a better puzzle though

[coral sail]

haha

[spring swift]

I don't recall saying that?

[tall narwhal]

i never said you did?

[spring swift]

then why the reply to me?

[tall narwhal]

because what i was saying was a reply to what you said...

[slim plinth]

Anyway I’m home now and I guess I’ll start working on 9.

Though I’m not really excited to go back to the channel

[onyx briar]

this is a drag moment

[astral bane]

He's adding information to what you said, not every reply has to be in opposition. Sometimes it's just addition

[merry meteor]

[slim plinth]

also i don’t think anyone is trying to get on anyone’s case here can we please not fight

[safe hound]

Whats awful is i was on a train to a party when this got solved lmao bad timing for me lool

[slim plinth]

words are easily mistaken and people are frustrated so i get it

[coral sail]

i started a nap right as it was uncovered

[fair condor]

And the tenuous "lovingly" hint doesn't even work outside of English client

[safe hound]

Hundo also like it not being what some wanted is a bit on us anyways

[slim plinth]

I’ve said it and I’ll say it again, regardless of whether we’re all satisfied; I think everyone did great work sleuthing and we did end up cracking it in the end

[mystic sparrow]

You can see pins at mobile too

[safe hound]

I havent been this engaged with wow ever or anything since i got obsessed with agatha all along

[coral sail]

not having the word olgra in the german one opens up so much more

unfortunately

haha

[onyx briar]

@mystic sparrow I know, but I see a lot of people that dont know how, so I just posted it in the channel

[sleek siren]

Since 9 o'clock channel has a timer, we can use this one too, to try and help. Satisfied or not, whole point is to get the mount, atleast we know initial step is done and no revisit for more clues is needed.

[coral sail]

i enjoy the small group more aswell but i think we need permission from the staff

[tall narwhal]

no revisit for more clues is needed

or maybe it is 👀

jk

[rapid pier]

Weren't we supposed to solve the anagram in order to get TO the monument though?

[sleek siren]

Since we know that Ratts added her name to the cypher, this may be a clue for other cyphers.

[onyx briar]

@rapid pier the momument at the grave? no, that is what is giving you one of the buffs

[coral sail]

i would see it the other way, because the step was to remove her from the puzzle
We added her back in
She got removed by whoever fired her

maybe thats why its "unfaiir" in the first place

[rapid pier]

Butd why did we know to go there?

[astral bane]

It appears the anagram was implemented in a way to be unfair, expecting us to brute force it? It seems a little unclear. Josh said elsewhere he was never sure if we'd solve it by bruteforce or by solving the anagram first

[safe hound]

I think this was designed in mind of people throwing a lot of things out and some just finding mankirk from the torch and many of the anagrams people would find is mind body soul without the translation - its enough with 30k people for a couple to jump on and find it without knowing the logic

Its just.. why then come back to “solve” but it was fun even if the fun for some was full on delusuon

[onyx briar]

@rapid pier well we wouldnt have without the chinese "solve". someone probably wouldve stumbled upon it eventually. a lot of us agree this part of the puzzle wasnt well thought out, or too complex 🙂

[coral sail]

if you have 30k people and only 300k options if will be found eventually i think

[oak shoal]

Well at least my chi squared language fit thing was correct... Showed the text wasn't encrypted with any kind of substitution cipher

[slim plinth]

Mount is just gravy, I’m here for the love of the game

[rapid pier]

I guess I sort of, kind of understand that, maybe. Thanks to all though. I started the whole thing over with a Mage alt this morning, even getting to the Thunderfury Console....nothing. 🙂

[astral bane]

I can kind of see where Josh is coming from, setting up the secret as Ratts playing unfair and we'd "outsmart" Ratts by figuring out an intentionally impossible anagram

But it's just not all that satisfying on the solving end.

It seems Josh has had this told to him in less pleasant ways though and I think that message has gotten across abundantly clear by now

[safe hound]

It would have been so nice, and easy, to also have the anagram be keyed by something obscure so it made a bit more sense than guessing the arrangement, but could also be done that way. buuut it cant be fun for everyone anyways and om glad people had fun

[astral bane]

This'll likely just be a lesson for future secrets! Josh did note that this was his first

[faint drift]

we have only 2 R to make Orc, Corps , Esprit T_T

[slim plinth]

Like if for instance: 1 letter from Ratts at the end of each of the first 5 words,

Then a transposition with some key like “disorder” unscrambles the thing

[tall narwhal]

I think this is what it comes down to tbh. I don't think this was actually solveable without knowing the answer first, unless you just mass calculated a bunch of anagram possibilities

[oak shoal]

Alright well I'm moving on to Advent of Code -- I look forward to following the guides

[sleek siren]

Did someone say: https://www.wowhead.com/item=19019/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker

[safe hound]

Yeah tcor sure! I also think with that sort of thing there were people that didnt know what transpo ciphers were that ended up writing out the text and basically coming up with their own version of column transpo that would reveal partial words if the anagram had any pattern

[astral bane]

Oh yeah I was really hoping that "darkness" and "disorder" would be the key in some interesting way

[burnt hearth]

I've seen the pins on my computer but I can't access them on my mobile.

[onyx briar]

@burnt hearth tried this?

[rapid pier]

My main actually got that, and my mage showed up with the transmog version, since my main had already done it could not try showing up at the console with it. I got no question mark, nothing, it acted just like the other consoles. So how would anyone know anything different should or could have happened? "No violence please" is not a useful clue with thousands and thousands of weapon choices, or is there something about non violence involved with the Thunderfury quest I forgot?

[safe hound]

The “clear route” was what got me i guess, it made me hone in on finding the clear route! I want to be grumpy and regret jumping on but i dont know i could regret it if im honest cus it got me passionate about doing things for fun again

[onyx briar]

because you used the violent version 😛

[astral bane]

I mean say what you will about the answer; Josh's work here has really engaged the fanbase. I don't even play WoW that much and I've added quite a lot of hours to my /played in the past two weeks

[slim plinth]

Mhm mhm. More secrets are always a good thing. It makes the world feel alive, it makes exploration exciting

[burnt hearth]

Thanks! On the general thread I don't need to go into settings 👍🏼

[onyx briar]

main channels and threads are different, thats why

[honest bison]

So I went ice skating while this was "solved." Narratively it makes total sense, but puzzle wise it is nether an aha moment nor satisfying.

[onyx briar]

yeah

[honest bison]

And I agree with you spud about Josh's hints.

[slim plinth]

My personal “aha” moment is that this is exactly why Ratts got fired but i agree

[astral bane]

I think for it to be an "aha" moment, we should've gone some immediate pay off from plugging "Ratts" name into it that indicate we were on the right path

Toss in "Ratts" without knowing its the solution you've got.... a slightly longer possible anagram, but no way to know whether what you did was actually helpful, and as we've already established we had no idea we were looking for the name "Olgra" and without the chinese solution wouldn't known those words either

I'm sure several people tossed in Ratts already and didn't get further

[honest bison]

Yeah. I know I did.

[slim plinth]

I did as well

[sleek siren]

Don't think so. There is a lot of violence to obtain the parts for it 😄

[honest bison]

Literally one of the first things I tried when adding words.

[slim plinth]

Anyway I’m gonna log in and look at 9. Probably not gonna talk as much there because the people are less polite

Ciao friends, thanks again for the memories

[honest bison]

Well, all the same, it was nice chatting with you here.

[slim plinth]

We did good work

[astral bane]

and I watched you guys do good work 👉 👉

[safe hound]

Yeahhh the aha was mixed in with the cheat is a shame

[wraith crypt]

It isn't pinned what we're are supposed to do with this information. Find Olgra? Speak the words somewhere? etc.?
Or is 10 only solved in the sense that we know the clue and haven't earned the light sphere above the plinth?

[polar yacht]

This is 1

[slim plinth]

10 probably has to do with interactible objects around the lair but there’s nothing to be done with that until 9 is done

[wraith crypt]

that's what I was looking for, thanks Minty 😄

[slim plinth]

In a sense, since we know that the enigmatic decrypting device wasn’t used in this step it opens it up for a later one

[astral bane]

This is step 1, not 10. Olgra has nothing to do with 10 (as far as we know)

This thread was just for figuring out the logic to an already solved orb

[slim plinth]

Also this is a personal milestone for me since this was the first time in a community puzzle in any game that I was able to even generate an actionable idea

yay me

[wraith crypt]

I've watched you work hard at this puzzle overall. You've contributed a lot. I find it challenging with how lost some of our contributions get, but that's gonna happen when thousands are working on the same project.
Happy for you tho- your ideas paid off!

[fair condor]

just for fun and for some more insight into why big anagrams are bad puzzles, I gave an anagram solver the english clue string without any spaces or punctuation (length 30) with ratts added (length 35), olgra removed (length 30), mind removed (length 26), soul removed (length 22), body removed (length 18), all of which was information we shouldn't have had, told it to look for max 5 words, it had 138890 possibilities with actual english words. if you input the letters in "seeks the light in" only and tell it it needs to find four words, it'll still give you 19062 combos (meaning you had the insight to add ratts, the knowledge of olgra being relevant and "mind body and soul" being part of the solve, which isn't possible to gain without the torch interaction or the chinese error)

[main rune]

reminder that this puzzle wasn't designed (by ratts) to be solved

[fair condor]

the person who designed the designer told us it was solvable with just the information in the room 😉

[main rune]

which is very true

[fair condor]

it's not

[rapid pier]

One remaining question. From what we knew before the Chinese solution did we know it was "Mankrik's" puzzle? And without any a priori knowledge at the start, would we have been able to know where to start with the anagram? Because I came at it after it was solve and did not search the dungeon for other messages, as we were not "supposed" to need them.

[ocean gazelle]

Wait you solved it?

[main rune]

all thanks to @cloud terrace

[scarlet prawn]

Can someone tag the LHC solve please

[main rune]

#1308885127819952158 message

[fair condor]

the solution is "OLGRA SEEKS THE LIGHT IN MIND, BODY AND SOUL". you need to add RATTS to the clue text and then solve an impossible to solve anagram (which is impossible if you don't already know the answer)

[vivid wave]

And this was Josh’s explanation #1308885127819952158 message

[main rune]

solve an impossible to solve anagram

Which is exactly what Ratts says in her journal

[scarlet prawn]

Perfect it sends us to the three locations, mind (he's still thinking about her) soul (Shadowlands) and body (draenor in the past)

[shy furnace]

Good to know. So we can assume everything he says is not lies then? just some things... cuz that was a hint he gave us before

[fair condor]

I don't object to the concept in the game, I object to Josh telling us in the discord that someone could solve it without any other knowledge other than in the room, it's a lie

[slim plinth]

The only addendum I wanna add to this, and it's not me defending the puzzle, it's just an observation, is that 'Ratts' is added "in order"

[wraith crypt]

He? Do you mean Ratts? She is female.

[slim plinth]

Olgra Seeks The Light in mind, body, and soul

[fair condor]

the problem with that is you don't know the order until you solve the anagram, which you can't do without adding ratts in the first place lol

[shy furnace]

I mean that Josh gave us hints that kept us on track for that solve. As well as the room with the steam tile... said we were "walking right by it"... so people knew we were in the right room... he wasn't fibbing then, either

[ocean gazelle]

Ratts you sneaky turd

[slim plinth]

Not a defense of the puzzle, I even explicitly said that

[fair condor]

(if you could in fact solve the anagram, which you actually can't even do without knowing the answer)

[slim plinth]

Just an observation

[astral bane]

Although terribly unlikely, I suppose someone could toss the name "ratts" into the mix by reading the "Find Ratts" prompt objective, and I suppose they could then solve the anagram to "Seeks the light in mind body and soul" and have the letters gralo left over and then just happen to rearrange that into "Olgra"

[ocean gazelle]

@lost tundra did you see you were right?

[slim plinth]

You could make the argument that you only know the solution is right when you can read Ratts name in order of the letters in the final answer,

Still doesn't make it any less absurd

but I guess it's there

[shy furnace]

Im in the wrong channel 😮

[fair condor]

the problem with that logic is you can just as well argue its the first puzzle so you should add "start' and then you're wondering why the added letters are in the wrong order in the solution

if we're going with absurd logic 😉

[slim plinth]

I think Ratts being an Anagram of Start isn't that hard to notice

[proper quiver]

Yeah that was brought up weeks ago

[scenic shadow]

what do you mean unsolvable? Just like 10^30 something possible solutions that can form a grammatically correct english sentence? Easily solved

[main rune]

without any other knowledge other than in the room

That is not accurate at all of what he said

But I'm not here to argue semantics

[slim plinth]

anyway back to fruitlessly exploring 9 weeeee

[fair condor]

bruh, I can dig up receipts from the pins easily

[ocean gazelle]

Just add Ratts to everything now

[fair condor]

#1308885127819952158 message

[timid niche]

Alright boyz so let's put it into perspective: does it help in any ways to understand the others problems we have to solve?

[timid niche]

Like this :D?

[white parrot]

There is the dodecahedron, there is a theory about those used in Roman cypher, but sadly need alphabets with less letters than we have

[devout forge]

Oh man, I was so close, I knew my theory was right. Do we already know the German sentence?

[slim plinth]

It tells us that the Enigmatic Decryption Device may be used later (I assume for 10) but it was never really about the other puzzles

[coral sail]

no

[lost sierra]

I have to say a big thank you to you and your team. It’s exactly this („small“) details (meaning not only pure escape room, there are characters, emotions,…) what makes the game, the hunt so exciting! Cheers!

[fair condor]

at least now I can finally play the game again

[slim plinth]

The Untitled Journal was to point us to The Mechanar, the only things used in this puzzle was the Clue, and Ratts Journal Pg. 92-93

Which also means the Sealed Clue may be used later

[viscid ocean]

I can understand how its frustrating to some people, I dont regret it because it was nice to spend time with everone here theorycrafting and in a way, it's cool that the journal was right this whole time... idk how I never made the connection of her puzzles being too hard to our puzzle being too hard 💀 it's so cool, dumb and genius at the same time... I do think it would've been better if we didnt cheated the solution but, oh well, we will never know for sure. But knowing we were able to move forward DESPITE being an "unsolvable" puzzle makes me smile.

[slim plinth]

Oh I was getting so lost in the sauce I had to stop and do some Keys last night just to avoid forgetting how to play

[timid niche]

Honestly what it tells me the most is almost none of the clues we had in the room where useful, the only one being Ratts journal suggesting that the riddles could be incomplete or unsolvable.

We could have been looking for things in the room for months and still stay at the same point.

[fair condor]

lol, I've been meaning to power level battle pets for days (its super squirt week)

[slim plinth]

Go forth and bully that child!!

[fair condor]

oh actually i'll do it monday, to save on bandages, since in EU it'll be in garrison then

what luck

sorry tuesday

no sorry monday lol

[slim plinth]

It would have been brute forced by people exhaustively looking for "love" in the open world with their torches out long before months could pass, it's comparatively very easy to stumble on the execution for this one compared to others

[slim plinth]

We're too lost in the rearrangement sauce that it's affecting out scheduling now too

[fair condor]

anyone been following 9 o clock in tandem? is their progress so far a lot to catch up on?

[rigid gulch]

so even knowing the solution the italian one is still impossible to solve.. there is no "olgra", "corpo", (body), "mente"(mind), orco (orc).. wtf?

[fair condor]

@rigid gulch I had to idea that the italian clue text contains mankrik

[pulsar sail]

Ah, that's why the puzzle works, bc it#s unsolvable. gg /s

[fair condor]

can you remove mankrik, add ratts and then look for an anagram sentence?

[timid niche]

Honestly I'm a bit disappointed with the outcome: we have a note and 0 clue pointing to orc and not even to mention "Olgra" coming out of literally nowhere.

[slim plinth]

I'd checked out completely from them when I decided to do this one instead but they have a Google doc of leads I think?

[slim plinth]

It might even be that the italian version uses mankrik instead of Olgra!

[fair condor]

that's my suggestion

[rigid gulch]

this is what is left after removing mankrik IDCONECIIDLCAA and i dont see anything in there

[fair condor]

add RATTS

[slim plinth]

Add ratts now

oh

hmm

[devout forge]

i dont believe its "RATTS" in every language... in german i think its "LIEBE" (love) or "LIEBEVOLL" or something, just a guess

[fair condor]

uhhh

its RATTS in every l anguage, confirmed

[devout forge]

really? ok

[viscid ocean]

Where are the Ts? 🤔

[slim plinth]

What did the italian localizers do @.@

[fair condor]

italian text is KIDCONKECIMIDLICARANA , remove mankrik, add ratts

bubble is mistaken

[rigid gulch]

no nvm i didnt, IDCONECIIDLCAARATTS

[slim plinth]

Ah

[tulip nymph]

Maybe one of the translations was always meant to give too much away? Maybe there’s more meta-puzzle in these than we thought? Maybe it would’ve been better to not mention that no wow knowledge was required? Probably. But maybe the real solution was the friends we made along the way? 😄

[fair condor]

assuming it is 4 words like the word count stays the same in english

seems dubious

[slim plinth]

Could the true final boss have been the Italian version all along?

[muted blaze]

I was about to do a recording of the ambient sounds in the room to look for a clue in the notes... also tried brightness adjustments, thought of escape rooms to go to the menu through escape and do some things there. Because I thought there is talk of escape rooms, but there never really were any escape rooms featured anywhere, all those skeletons there could leave, only escape room is for the cats

[fair condor]

see, you still can't solve it even if you know the exact concept lol

[safe hound]

Nope, day 0 wed had a bunch of anagrams generated through the thing but they point everywhere 🤣

I feel like i was totally right to be honest, the LHC was a clue

🤣

[fair condor]

the clue was indeed a clue, sherlock 😉

[viscid ocean]

Just wanted to say, did a quick check with Spanish EU, seems like the answer is:
"Olgra busca la luz en cuerpo, mente y espíritu"
Which is the same as English: add "ratts" to spanish eu LHC and somehow solve 😂👏 im so glad to see spanish eu solved

[terse sail]

I'm curious about the Italian one though, since there was so much discussion about 'K' not being used in Italian, but the code still having K

Guessing it may point to Mankrik, rather than Olgra

[viscid ocean]

Im guessing is a whole other phrase altogether, thats tough

[slim plinth]

yeah with only 4 words it's probably something else entirely

"Mankrik does the thing"

[terse sail]

Mankrik's Wife Is Dead

[viscid ocean]

Im intrigued by spanish al (latin america) being so different too... ill give it a go later

[slim plinth]

This would be the best possible answer

[proper quiver]

"how find Mankrik wif"

[viscid ocean]

I think german or some other had a couple of interogation signs ?

Answer: "Barrens chat??"

[coral sail]

Thats in the Plaque

[viscid ocean]

Oh, gotcha

[slim plinth]

WAIT

WAIT WAIT WAIT

This is broken italian

but

Mankrik Incendio cicla Strada

[rigid gulch]

Thats not italian at all xD

[slim plinth]

Gotcha

[viscid ocean]

Spanish latam doesnt even have a G for olgra 🤔 nor K for mankirk

[terse sail]

It's just missing the hand gestures. Add that and everything becomes Italian

[viscid ocean]

Nice

[slim plinth]

But you can get La Strada, Mankrik, and Incendio

[rigid gulch]

this is the best i came up with:

NLAATTS (missing letters)
CERCA I DODICI MANKRIK (Seek the 12 mankrik)

CLAATTS (missing letters)
CERCA I DONI DI MANKRIK (Seek the gifts of makrik)

[slim plinth]

Seek the gifts of Mankrik sounds so ominous

Is he gonna become Guldan

[merry meteor]

I let anagrams.io play with the anagram while I was out washing my hair, and doing stuff around the house.

Brother, that's not even half way done yet.

[fair condor]

mother of god

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-mother-of-god-shades-infinite-woah-gif-4858850

[slim plinth]

I wish the italians luck with their suspiciously odd-one-out message

[fair condor]

mankrik incendio cicla Strada, word for word means mankrik fire cycle street lmao

[slim plinth]

No wonder they fired her

[slim plinth]

Which would be really funny because we're after a fiery motorcycle

[fair condor]

oh damn

[slim plinth]

See? I was cooking

I am the most italian

[fair condor]

the hand gestures are lost in translation in the clue text

[slim plinth]

Impossible to decipher without them I fear

[astral bane]

Please tag your spoilers, I haven't gotten to that quest yet

[slim plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/too-late-15years-the-incredibles-gif-14713239

Anyway i doubt thats the actual answer in Italian but if it is then I am both amused and very sorry

[rapid pier]

Yes, yes it does...believe no one

[timid niche]

Honestly it's a big disappointement

[simple pawn]

i have the problem that i am standing in front of Olgra for a while now and don't get the buff. can someone give me a tip to solve this ?

[slim plinth]

I don't know what to tell people who were hoping this would help with 9 O'clock beyond "I'm sorry you didn't listen the last 20 times you were told it wouldn't"

[slim plinth]

Do you have your torch of pyrreth out?

[simple pawn]

yeah

[slim plinth]

Hmm

[simple pawn]

i did relogg

[slim plinth]

Ally or horde?

[simple pawn]

horde

[green saddle]

Have you done all the build-up guest-relation quests?

[slim plinth]

I remember there was some quest progress thing that interfered with it for horde characters? I would consult the wowhead/wiki guide

this is the draenor Olgra right?

[main rune]

relog (again without torch active)

[slim plinth]

There's an alternate location you can get the buff for horde characters who had or hadn't done a specific quest iirc on the draenor one

Sorry if I'm not more help I play alliance :<

[simple pawn]

they are all done

[simple pawn]

and i am on the alternative location because of quest progress

[slim plinth]

Ah, sorry then I'm out of ideas

[simple pawn]

worked after 3 relog ...

[slim plinth]

Time honored tech advice never leads astray

Maybe 9 O'clock will be solved by turning it on and off again too

[cosmic merlin]

so does doing this properly help in any way in solving 9 o'clock? not riddle wise but opened chests or some new interaction?

[merry meteor]

It shows us that Ratts is really bad at her job. And that the orb wasn't actually used.

[safe hound]

Hopefully we get to fight ratts at the end

Hopefully she doesnt beat me 😔

[lost sierra]

Yes Ratts was to motivated. So she add ridiculous ciphers. And of course very egomaniac.

[slim plinth]

It tells us that the Enigmatic Decryption Device is still fair game to be used in a different puzzle (But my assumption is that it will be used in 10)

Otherwise no, it’s just the satisfaction, (or disappointment) that we were on the right track and we figured it out

and yeah it shows us why Ratts got fired lmao

[lost sierra]

The conclusion is Ratt is motivated but bad so every solution can be connected with her. I guess her birthday is November 23, 2004 and her loved number is 17 because she met her true love in this time.. creating mysteries

[cosmic merlin]

tbh if i was the owner of a celebration/festival thingie and my event coordinator was using ciphers, i'd fire them too

[untold marten]

Someone would've thought about that, i didn't, moving on. :/

[stoic nebula]

My sense of relief is immeasurable.

[slim plinth]

Not even ciphers!!
Randomly scrambled massive anagrams with her name removed from the plaintext!!

At the very least I’d be raising my eyebrow at any event coordinator offering that as a puzzle!

I love this silly little event

[hexed fable]

The fact that there's no G to have 'olgra,' and that 'orco' would take the only available R (also needed in 'cuerpo'), makes me really curious to find out if the translation is super clever or just a bad one.

[slim plinth]

It could also just be an entirely different phrase

[hexed fable]

exactly

[slim plinth]

seeing as the italian one (if we were correct but probably not because i was just memeing) seems to just point out that the road to the flaming cycle is mankrik

[safe hound]

Ratts is an actual narcissist

[hexed fable]

I should try something else then. I'll see what I can come up with using a different phrasing

[slim plinth]

Unrelated but bless Wotlk timewalking for letting me get perma water breathing on my evoker in just 3 days

[slim plinth]

It’s tough because even knowing that you need to add “RATTS” it’s still a massive, randomly scrambled anagram which means brute force with machine assistance is the only real viable method.

Actually the fact the chinese version was also just “backwards” instead of “scrambled” on top of not having Ratts removed is a miracle for us

someone saved us from a real headache and then we subjected ourselves to the headache anyway for fun

[vivid wave]

What does Josh mean when he said we had to “cheat” to win? Was the Chinese one made more solvable on purpose so we really got led down the exact path he intended all along

[queen shell]

naw, Chinese skipped a step, apparently

[slim plinth]

I think this is what he meant yeah, but i don’t think it was made easier on purpose either.

Cheating could also have been just looking for “love” based on the comprehensible clues instead of working the anagram, in the fictional reality where the chinese version wasn’t easy

But based on how he’s described his approach in the ask channel I doubt he had any one “intended” method here.

Either people would force something out of the anagram or look for things related to love

That kind of puzzle doesn’t work on an individual level of course

but when you’re designing a problem for tens of thousands of people

you can probably safely assume one of them will figure something usable out by sheer coincidence

[vivid wave]

Yeah that’s fair.

[slim plinth]

I can’t really bring myself to be angry about any of it when I consider how difficult it probably is to make something that won’t be instantly solved when thousands of people are looking at it, without doing something overly complicated

Anyway that’s just my own post mortem on it.

[proper quiver]

I feel like the fact that the whole secret was supposed to be for this community says a lot as well

[slim plinth]

I will not say the puzzle was “elegant”, but I will say that it was not overdesigned

Oh, my sprout is gone now

I have blossomed into a real Secret Hunter

How Cliched

[main rune]

OLGRA SEEKS THE LIGHT IN MIND, BODY, AND SOUL.

OLGRA = ?
SEEK + MIND = Gift of the Mind-Seekers
LIGHT = Sun with 10 rays
BODY = Skeletons?
SOUL = Orb?

I wonder if there's enough stuff in the room to potentially hint at the words

[safe hound]

It is sus but everything i think is sus turns out to just be an art asset or something loolll bht it was my first thought that maybs it wasnt bug

Is this a social experiment

Lmao

[safe hound]

Yeahhhh like im dissapointed but in a haha way lol

And its not possible to make it what everyone wants and ita a fun event that everyones passionate on like, nobody gets annoyed by the finale of a show they dont love, its only cus its good it seems bad

[terse sail]

The real question is: Did you enjoy yourself?

[slim plinth]

I had a blast, and I hope to have more blasts. I'm genuinely thankful for the work that went into this and I hope Josh doesn't consider any lingering frustrations or disappointment to be shade thrown at him

[safe hound]

Shame theres not more stuff like thus its nice to be mass confusion lets work it out get it done 🤣

[slim plinth]

Yeah some of the other stuff is too complex for me to even participate in. I'm still gonna try but the only reason I was able to be of any use here is exactly because the concept of the puzzle was simple

[hexed fable]

Same here, I had a fun ride. It's my first time participating in these hunting events, and I learned a lot! But I won't be at peace until I find the latam spanish translation though. 😂

[quaint hare]

One thing to tell : S.E.L.F.I.E. Camera. I'll try this lead 😄 please tell me if i go in for nothing xD

[livid haven]

What if we add ‘torch’ to the letters - we are using to illuminate solutions and show us the truth.

Still posting from a hotel 900km from home and can’t test anything for 36+ hours.

[merry meteor]

It's solved, boys.

https://tenor.com/view/ferris-bueller-ferris-buellers-day-off-matthew-broderick-john-hughes-80s-gif-21664428

[safe hound]

Try anythijg! None of us got it its better when everyones has a gooo

Glad you did and soz if i was too obsessed or ever shut anyone down

[safe hound]

Ive never done before cus i normally solo it was nice to have lots of people struggling too

[safe hound]

Unless theres anotjer thing. A secret section. Whats with the edd snd the orb 🤔🤔🤔🤔

🤣

[livid haven]

This is what you get for starting from where you last read and moving forward. The thread pins aren’t easy to access/read on the iOS app currently. So I haven’t been checking them much (they overlay the thread comments like a double exposure - which makes them super hard to read).

[ocean gazelle]

Oh. I wonder if the sealed clue unlocks with something fel/ demon like other stuff points to

Like the demonic shoulder/mask and the little thingy up near the vault and demon kitty litter box

[junior flax]

so you're saying when I brought up that 'body mind and soul' stuff I WAS CLOSE? BUT IN THE WRONG AREA? MAN- gz on those that figured this out LOL

[ocean gazelle]

Plus it IS a FELcycle

[onyx briar]

the little thingy

[ocean gazelle]

Yes

Everything is thingy

[onyx briar]

which one

[ocean gazelle]

The one that looks a bit like the sentenax

Or whatever

[onyx briar]

oh, the broken thingy

[quick ember]

What cypher was used to solve this clue? Just an anagram once Ratt's was added?

[onyx briar]

no cypher

letters mixed, adding "ratt's" was the X ingredient

[timid niche]

If anyone has the slightest clue to how we were supposed to find "Olgra" I'm all ears. Did I miss a hint or something?

[cerulean mason]

the Fel thing feels like flavor being shes obsessed with her moarg lover and stuff, but maybe useful. I feel like if 9 is the hardest step, 10 11 12 will be using the things we have already found but haven't had a use yet

[quick ember]

From what I understood, the solution was impossible to solve without cheating like we did, but once we knew the answer, we could go back and find the correct way to complete the puzzle so we got Olgra as the solution

It was hinted that in order to solve a future step, the correct way to solve the first one needed to be found

I'm currently trying to apply this method to pillar 9, adding missing letters to JYPFFQVY to make an anagram.

[timid niche]

What I mean is: we found the catacombs, there's a lot of hints pointing to some places we had to go and it was quite easy to understand (for example the watchers statues)... but OLGRA wtf? Did I miss something pointing to the damn orc I have never seen in game (I play Alliance).

[cerulean mason]

it's one of the most famous classic quests

and it's an anniversary event

[frosty mulch]

nothing pointed to olgra as far I know Josh just expected 1000 monkeys with typewriters to spit out olgra eventually

[terse sail]

And I think the idea is that once you find all the other words, whatever letters are left are enough for someone to make the connection to Olgra

[timid niche]

Classic quest? Vanilla? Is it Horde only?

[cerulean mason]

yes

[stoic nebula]

Which is to say that only ~80% of the player base at the time interacted with it.

[quick ember]

The chinese translation was just a straight up anagram that led to Olgra, It already had the missing letters in the translation, so it skipped the step we needed in the other languages.

[timid niche]

Well it's a bit... winces for the first riddle it's a bit well... not all the player base could be aware of it and yet I play since day 1 of the release

[stoic nebula]

I think it's fine to have an unsolvable puzzle that you are intended to cheat past. I still think that anagrams are malicious puzzles.

[frosty mulch]

it was also kind of a window into how Ratts is to be portrayed unfair and intentionally lacking context

[stoic nebula]

As a community, we had plenty of hints to find it. And even so, the automatic torch interaction makes the Monument itself very easy to stumble upon, and it directly leads you to the other two places.

[terse sail]

While there are definitely people who've never heard of Mankrik or Olgra, I do think the vast majority of the players have at least heard of them at least once

Whether they play Horde or not

[cerulean mason]

puzzles are kinda meant for lore nerds

[lavish turret]

Has anyone tried the German version? So far I can find 5 words, 4 like in the English version. But since the sentence structure is different in German (4 words "." 6 words) they could be completely wrong.

KÖRPER (body)
SEELE (soul)
LICHT (light)
GEIST (ghost/spirit)
WÜRDE (would (würde) or dignity (Würde))

remaining letters: CHINSDSSHDDESESDEESEUNDERAS

[onyx briar]

I think we are still missing solutions for: german, italian, french, spanish(latin am.), portuguese(if they even get their own?).

@lavish turret can you make the word "seek" or "looking for" or something similar?

[opal dune]

Josh said he'd try looking up the other languages for us, though we may have to remind him.

#1308885127819952158 message

[lavish turret]

seeks translates to SUCHT (not possible), but SUCHEN (to search) would be possible, but may not fit grammatically. Also neither OLGRA or MANKRIK are possible. Translation for looking for also includes SUCHEN

[onyx briar]

barrens? crossroads?

the name of mankrik's farm?

[lavish turret]

barrens -> (das) Brachland (not possible)
crossroads -> (das) Wegekreuz (not possilble)
Grol'doms Hof (the farm; also not possible)
The Quest name from classic: not possble, has 4 words thought it could be the first part

[cerulean mason]

orc

[muted blaze]

Do we have to leave? Despite my opinion of the final solution not being an aha moment or not actually possible to execute using the things in the room, I did really enjoy the journey. First time engaging with this community actively for me and I learned a lot about how much I dont know about the world of ciphers and puzzlemaking. I personally learned that anything is a fair game and that the most important is the love of the endless game 🙂

[livid haven]

Yes it was horde only - but searching for Mankirk’s wife was a sufficiently well know meme that alliance players would have known about it.

Source: have played alliance since launch

[whole sandal]

I suppose you could remove some more letters by adding the articles (der / die / das) to the words you've found so far. My German is too rusty to do that so I'll leave that to the natives. But it's interesting to see how far you can get.

[muted blaze]

but guys, now I have to actually go and follow along all the solutions elsewhere and I dont wanna to be honest 😄

[tulip vault]

I was thinking about this earlier. the way we solved it was because it was the text backwards in a different language. if we removed ratts from the translation, it would have still been solvable reading it backwards i think

[vale gorge]

Does this mean we're gonna get a TRASHMAN NPC in game to celebrate?

[graceful shuttle]

[cyan blaze]

Omg it was just Ratts?

Yeah it was really in front of us. Everytime I was like "Damn if only I had a A"

And in french you could already do most words already since the phrase was significantly longer

[daring herald]

https://tenor.com/view/game-start-gif-24248937

More seriously, are there other secret tracking tools being used for theory tracking? I’m on mobile most of the time and discord search is not good. 😦

[safe hound]

Lets find a way of stay lmao

Im soz if i was intense annoying and shut down but i loved solving this together it was nice

[worthy glacier]

Hi 1oclock people, is there an online tool that automatically pulls out words from an anagram to help solve it? Like you can give it a string and words you think it might have to see the remaining immediately?

[safe hound]

https://boulter.com/anagram/ tbis is good! Can stick everybing at top - then after you can subteact by adding at bottom

Its amaze tbh

[worthy glacier]

Thanks!

[real zodiac]

I didn't try pushing up up down down left right left right while the torch was on object!!!!

[gleaming pumice]

Instead of jumping into 9 o'clock, I've been farming pets/mounts/achievements all day instead... imagine my horror to zone into Vortex Pinnacle to this:

(the good news is I did get the mount)

[indigo hornet]

Gratz!!!!!!

[trim hemlock]

Congrats on the mount! Less so on the PTSD!

[unkempt kindle]

i keep thinking Tarts when i see ratts lol

[unkempt kindle]

This might be a long shot but i found this in azshara

[muted blaze]

Btw, those other steps are so insane, how did people find out about secret pets inside a zarhym realm? Or the numbers for the consoles were a reach in many cases, but then again they had a direct way to validate them, except for the lucky ones...

[daring herald]

Found the vendor, looked for golden muffin idol, killed the muffin rare, it dropped a piece of loot pointing to Timeless Isle, mass exploration, Job’s Done!

[languid hill]

So was 10 solved? And if so - what is it

[timid niche]

We can't say it's solved before 9 is.

[languid hill]

is it refering to the Apexis Monument in Ogrila?

[twilit merlin]

SW ES SE HÜDES SS RD R

Suche das Licht den Körper die Seele den Geist

Thats what i tried yesterday. but i dont know.

[twilit narwhal]

Thge problem in german is the "ü" there are not so many words with this and all that mabey can make a sense are missing letters for it

[twilit merlin]

ye this and we are missing an O for "Orc" or "Olgra". thats confusing me even more.
but who knows. they may mispelled something in the translation. The German game version is full of translation mistakes.

[twilit narwhal]

yes im also guessing that the translation is rlly wierd 🙂

[twilit merlin]

i mean look at this for example

[twilit narwhal]

this is the reason why i generally look for the english texts when i try to solve secrets because sometimes the german clues are nonsense, whats not so easy i can english but yeah im better in my native speaking german^^

[fringe summit]

Was thinking: could the untitled document talking about Darkness, Disorder be the two steps?

So X is something to do with Darkness (e.g. letter removal, or something with blindness potion)

And then disorder is the simple anagram?

[twilit narwhal]

We already know thats its just a simple anagram where just the word ratts must be added to solve it ... we just dont know how it should works in other languages 😄

[fringe summit]

So would the removal of Ratts be considered the Darkness step?

Hence that might be how the Devs wanted us to 'solve it' canonically

[safe vine]

It was the addition of Ratts

[fringe summit]

Yes but to create the 'mystery', Ratts had to remove her name (darkness), and then create disorder by scrambling up the result

[jovial lion]

i dont know if this has nothing to do with the alarm but have u guys notice that there is a coffe in the room where we found the astral key? if u clic it, it will give u a buff of 20% speed for like 1 minute

the coffee is gone after clicking it like the other potions in the catacombs

[safe hound]

I think maybe we were supposed to look at the letters of the lhc but instead of sgho it was a sentence only in English idk

[charred smelt]

Hi Josh, hope you're doing well (more than us ^^). Here's the reminder about localized answers for 1 O'Clock

[cyan blaze]

What about Mankrik ?

[charred smelt]

that's why i asked for the localized answer on this one, could be some sort of clue.
we can probably see which language is harder to translate correctly or how much effort each localization team is putting on these texts

[twilit merlin]

No "M" and only one "K" available

[twilit narwhal]

at least for the moment i see nothing in german that will leads you too ogra, no orc no ogra either liebe is not possible with the letters 😉

[devout forge]

That's exactly my problem too. I feel like I'm very close to the solution but somehow it doesn't make much sense. I'm not giving up

[twilit narwhal]

i spent half night of it also looked for words that i have not on my mind 😂

[devout forge]

yeah me too 😄
especially words with Ü and Ö

[twilit narwhal]

oh yes this exactly the point where im struggle i mean ü there is not so much that would fit

[devout forge]

Hürde, Hülse, Hülle, Glühe, Hüter Güte... i have a few

[twilit narwhal]

i want too buy an f this would makes its easier^^

[devout forge]

I still have the theory that there is a different keyword in every language. So that it is more difficult to compare between languages. It's supposed to be "unsolvable".

[twilit narwhal]

but josh said its evrywehre the same but honestly i also was thinking already if the just also put the finden as salt into it

[devout forge]

yeah just a theory

[twilit narwhal]

we will see when we get the solutions for the other languages... its a 50-50 chance that its makes sense or its just missspelling issue

[devout forge]

What also drives me crazy is that the words in German are so similar, for example:
SCHWIN LES DÖRP ELSES, HÜDES DICH KIESES GEDEE SERUND ERDE
SCHWER DES KÖRPERS SEELE, HÜTERS LICHT DIESER GESUND ENDE
IHDDSA left over

you can form "Hass" with a S from "körper" or "Hüter"

[lost sierra]

I hardly can find the subject in German version: ??? DAS LICHT IN KÖRPER, SEELE UND GEIST LEFT: SCHWESSESHÜDESDESEDERDER

the Ü can properly be "SCHÜRE" .. SCHÜRE DAS LICHT ...

[devout forge]

"SCHÜRE DAS LICHT" I've already thought of that too

OK, I managed to use all the letters for the first time...
SCHWER DAS KÖRPERS SEELE, HÜTERS DICHT DIESES SENDE GESUND LEID (or LIED)

[lost sierra]

If this is the solution they should fire the German localisation team

[devout forge]

nahh there is something wrong, i'm sure, but maybe i'm close

[twilit narwhal]

but thanks for this 🤣 i already under the desk

[devout forge]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-finish-rudy-ayoub-i'm-not-done-yet-i'm-still-talking-don't-interrupt-me-gif-13577916805522683659

[twilit narwhal]

reminds me a little bit on better days after 5 or 6 beer on the party

[open compass]

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[covert turtle]

What cipher has been used to try and crack this in English? I work with cryptography as a cybersecurity professional , maybe i can help

[ember umbra]

It was just an anagram

[covert turtle]

So what does it say in English

[ember umbra]

OLGRA SEEKS THE LIGHT IN MIND, BODY, AND SOUL

[covert turtle]

Ok so it's not really different then the other languages - can you tell me what what used to find this outside of the backwards engineering of the Chinese one

[safe hound]

It was a troll, theres no cipher. It wadsbullocks. A bunch of us have backgrounds too but it was just a fucking anagram lmao

[covert turtle]

Lmaoo

[safe hound]

With a word missing

[faint drift]

i' don't have make the game until wa find the anagramme in french T_T ... i don't have any R to approach english version, corps esprit Orc ou olgra

[covert turtle]

Just seems weird, firstly , it doesn't actually solve into that sentence as an anagram

[ember umbra]

You have to add RATTS in

[covert turtle]

I see

[onyx briar]

@cyan blaze are you going to solve the french version?

[cyan blaze]

I will give it a shot again eventually, yeah! Even with the right solution it's a bit hard to find a coherent sentence with only one A

[faint drift]

I can't get anywhere

[cyan blaze]

Yeah we shouldn't try to mimic the english version, your version doesn't have any mention of any orc as a result 🤔

[faint drift]

yes because with orc, i can't make corps or esprit. and so coeur is not possible too. we have to go through english version but other words for ame esprit and corps is not easy

[spark stag]

Hey man did you find anything about localized sentences?

[subtle ledge]

Oh right, when I said tomorrow I really meant Monday, but I can look now. Just a sec.

[faint drift]

Essence is possible but it take a C for Orc

[subtle ledge]

Here are some possible sentences that may have been used for localizing the anagram:
OLGRA SEEKS THE LIGHT IN MIND, BODY, AND SOUL
LIGHT THE WAY THREE TIMES FOR THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE
SHINE THE TORCH OF MANKRIK
HOLD VIGIL IN THREE PLACES FOR THE ORC'S LOVE
WEDDING VOWS LIGHT THE MIND, LIGHT THE BODY, LIGHT THE SOUL

[cyan blaze]

Ah, alright, so the french version has to be the last one, that makes it much more obvious now 😮

[daring herald]

Thank you Josh!

[faint drift]

Thanks a lot

[faint drift]

Yes

[pure ginkgo]

Thank you Josh for your patience with all of us Chaotic souls...

[proven condor]

Russian solution (if anyone interested) - Ольгра ищет свет в теле, разуме и душе

[twilit merlin]

German try: Heiratsschwur des Körpers Seele des Geistes Sünden? leiche? Rest: D,D,D. not correct, will keep trying

[keen ruin]

In French i guess : Les noces illuminent l'esprit, illuminent le corps et illuminent l'âme

[cyan blaze]

There would be a few letters left, wouldn't it? Except if I made a mistake

[faint drift]

I arrive at the same but i cant' make "et" i have LT as rest . Perhaps i have not copy good letter

[fair condor]

there's no "AND" in the last sentence Josh said

so presumably the french wouldn't include "et"

if that is the french version

at least we understand the absurd amount of Ls in the french version lmao

[keen ruin]

I havent ^^ You're right, i read an L like an E 😅

[hexed fable]

Finally!!!! 'Vows' (votos) the word that has been giving me headaches for days!!! I'm free and at peace... thanks Josh 🥲

Latam Spanish: "Votos que iluminan la mente, el cuerpo, el alma"

[safe hound]

does anyone have a reasonable take on this #thanks-josh message that wasnt just purposefully being trolled to waste time for no reason?

[latent fjord]

Any Korean client users? I still have no clue on the korean note 😦 So the solution is to add "Ratt" to the LHC?

[fair condor]

I mean, it's not possible to find those anagrams without already knowing the answer. I guess he just didn't answer the math behind it, charitably

[hexed fable]

I think the path was:

-Find the torch reaction at the monument (as always, people find things without the proper reference, just like the key in Un'Goro).
-Relate the phrase 'lovingly inscribed' on the monument with 'lovingly handcrafted' in the clue.
-After many tries and considering words like 'darkness,' 'disorder,' 'incomplete,' and 'unsolvable,' we'd realize something is missing in the anagram and that 'light' or something related has to be part of the sentence.
-Eventually, someone would try the giant word on the side of our screen, 'Ratts,' and that would complement some of the earlier outcomes.
It was possible, difficult... but possible. At least that's my understanding

[safe hound]

Yeah i can see that, theres a path to finding mankirk, which wed already done before that q. Asked specifically about whether it had to be done by spamming anagrams and guessing which of the anagrams is right or using the answer we already had lol, and he said no it doesnt need cheating. Then look at his comment in the pin “in a sense you werent, thats the point”. Why send us back here for a week if the solution is so boring - i guess its on me for expecting a logic thing to this

Buut is done now just wondering why hed do that, but i guess i can take your answer as a decent interpretation and move on 😄

[solar sparrow]

This fits for the german anagram: EHESCHWÜRE SIND DES GEISTES, DES KÖRPERS UND DER SEELE DAS LICHT
Edit: when we ignore the position of the comma in the anagram, this is better: EHESCHWÜRE SIND DAS LICHT DES GEISTES, DES KÖRPERS UND DER SEELE

[twilit narwhal]

Yeah but honestly this is not german at least not for me and also not for all of my teachers

[lost sierra]

That works! but shift "DAS LICHT": EHESCHWÜRE SIND DAS LICHT DES GEISTES, DES KÖRPERS UND DER SEELE

[twilit narwhal]

better but how this leads too mankrik and olgra just asking 🙂

[lost sierra]

it's coming from following instructions from Josh: WEDDING VOWS LIGHT THE MIND, LIGHT THE BODY, LIGHT THE SOUL

but yeah what the Chinese did too less, the Germans did too much. 🤣

[twilit narwhal]

This i dont mesn i could the Solution sounds good i just wondering about the Solution and what we habe do 😉

[clever ridge]

this is exactly the reasen why i think that orb9 in German is impossible to solve xD

[lost sierra]

but i guess they can Pin that for the German solution. Congrats @solar sparrow

[twilit narwhal]

Terrible translation but well done Kelro ☺️

[lost sierra]

Yes like "Örtlichkeiten" so sorry, but the German localisation team has done better jobs in the past...

[solar sparrow]

that sounds better, yeah - I tried to keep the structure of anagram like in the english version

[hexed fable]

Mmm... maybe when we were talking about cheating, he specifically interpreted it as using the Chinese answer?🤔 Or perhaps he was expecting us to find that Ratts removed herself from the anagram to make it unsolvable in order to give her the proper characterization as a sneaky b 😂 and have that in mind for the next puzzles.
Anyway, it's finally done 🥹 We can move on to the next headaches.
(Sorry if I didn’t express myself well, English isn’t my first language.)

[safe hound]

Ah maybe yeah - I think anagrams are just brute force anyways cus you have to just try everything without direction, theres so many you can make even without sticking in more chars, and need the answer to know its the “right” one , but you are right and its done were free! I just needed a lil debrief to get some closure thank you! It was funny, gl have fun with the rest 😄

[onyx briar]

@twilit narwhal @lost sierra why is the german translation so bad?

[lost sierra]

Because you need to be extra creative, that it makes sense

[onyx briar]

ok

[lost sierra]

For Example: English Template: WEDDING VOWS LIGHT THE MIND, LIGHT THE BODY, LIGHT THE SOUL; German version back translation: WEDDING VOWS ARE THE LIGHT OF THE BODY, THE SOUL AND THE MIND

[onyx briar]

oh, I thought each language had their own sentence, not that you basically shared with french

[rigid gulch]

Still can't solve the italian one 😂
These words are all missing:
OLGRA, AMORE/AMA(LOVE), MENTE(MIND), CORPO(BODY), SPIRITO/ANIMA(SOUL), VIGILIA/VEGLIA(VIGIL)
VIA(WAY), VOLTE(TIMES), VITA(LIFE), SPLENDI/BRILLA/LUCIDA/LUSTRA(SHINE), MATRIMONIO(WEDDING), VOTI/VOTO(VOW) + I checked a crazy amount of similar words... nothing
Closest thing I can find is:
ACCENDI LA TORCIA DI MANKRIK (LIGHT THE TORCH OF MANKRIK)
but it is missing these letters: "TS"and there is no possible word or combination of words that make sense adding those. Could it be bugged? I think this is the only possible explanation at this point

[daring herald]

Also remember that the Stone of Prophecy carried by Vashti had already been noted by crate-seekers, and Olgra-child is just south of that.

[manic hound]

how is the solve going?

[daring herald]

I’m liking the puzzle design more and more post-solve. It was a race between the people working on the anagram vs those exploring the world. Both brute-force, in a way. The Chinese localization failure causing the anagram to be almost instantly ‘solved’ ruined the challenge.

[real zodiac]

"In this other world a girl wouldn't see a wheelchair or anything different. They would get my soul, heart and mind, conveniently placed in a handsome, strong body. Luckily, pretty much every character in this virtual world looks great."

[obtuse junco]

can some one help me i dont know hwat im doing wronf im at the humble monumennt an im useingg the torch but its not working and im not getting the buff

[safe vine]

Relog

If that doesn't work. Turn the torch on and off. Leave the zone. Swap characters

[obtuse junco]

ivfe tried all of that

[safe vine]

My last thing to try would be toggling warmode @obtuse junco

And removing any existing light buff

[obtuse junco]

nothing ant prereqs?

any*

[safe vine]

I think you just need to have entered ratts instance

[obtuse junco]

Ratts?

[safe vine]

Karazhan catacombs

[obtuse junco]

OMG THAT WAS WHT IM FOR GETTING GODS THANK YOU

sorry caps

[safe vine]

#cryptic-plaque message @cloud terrace literally

you took the thoughts out of my mind

YOU TOOK THE THOUGHTS. OUT OF MY MIND. BEAMED STRAIGHT INTO YOUR BRAIN.

After seeing the solution to puzzle one, I've severely started to question all the possible solutions for 9.

[twilit narwhal]

and also this sense is not really a good sentence in german, when you put this directly to google translate you will getting a better result (btw Eheschwüre is not really a correct word in german, we all know what is meand by it but the word not exists) 😉

And the second thing at least for me is that i dont understand why we have different sentences for diffrent localisation,
specally why the quallity of the hint that you will get from the anagrams rly suffer in some languages.

For example:
Olgra seeks... directly hint to the npc
Light the way..much harder then the english one no reference to npc or the orc, there are many lovestories in wow
Shine the torch ... directly hint to mankrik, from him is not so far to olgra
Hold vigil... at least hint for orc love, and the story is wellknown
Wedding vows... again no npc hint, no mentioning of orc, there are many married couples in wow

just my thoughts, sometimes it feels a little bit unfair 🙂

[muted blaze]

Guys, I am lost, is somebody keeping track how things happened on a sort of timeline? My mind does not want to move forward onto other steps as I dont feel like I have ibfo on the whole journey and the pins and the wiki or the wowhead guide are not cutting it. I mean, yeah, I understand what needs to be done to activate all the solved steps, but after step 4 I am not seeing the process behind it and because of that I am hesitant to try and contribute to the unsolved solutions. I feel like there are a lot of threads and channels that popped up but I dont see how they came about and how they are connected. 1 oclock was a microcosm of the other threads and steps as people had several theories but nobody could really keep track and do followups unless they spent their entire free time inhere to know what the discussion is about

[safe vine]

I can help, what questions did you have?

And I agree, it was nice to focus on something one at a time like we did in this channel

[somber glacier]

Yes please ask your question i'll be happy to help too 🙂

[somber glacier]

It felt like a preserved time capsule away from the noise 🥹

[muted blaze]

ok, to recapitulate, we did 1oclock, that directly lead to 2oclock by reading the unlocked Crumpled note which was almost obvious about being located in the vale and above tale (lorewalkers), then some world searching found the obelisk which was clearly of old god origins, so brought old god gifts on ourselves and the pug with the 25k (or stood around long enough to let some other guy do it properly)
then we got the key, which directly lead to those doors in the room we spent so much time in and just knew that was to be used there on the doors. It unlocked two doors.
Then we tried a lot of stuff in both rooms and one of the bowls was fishable - kinda random, but fishing for clues has been a recurring theme so far with felcycle and others and is probably going to be in the future.
We got the astral key to the obviously astral chest in which there were the goggles and we put them on and instantly saw the various consoles.
Each console had a sort of clue and we knew we were looking for number combinations:

• no violence required us to know about the console command (I didnt know and I play since TBC) which lead to thunderfury a meme in barrens chat along with mankrik, so that is on theme so far, but again required a use of 3rd party (addon or wowhead as you wouldnt know the ID)
• Here #1 straight up requires coordinates addon and is literal relative here on this map
• Here #2 requires zone ID so 3rd party again and this time it is meant as an instance location in general
• Konani - konami code when dancing on a numpad (some people do not have dedicated numpads, so that is kinda exclusive to certain HW) however konani and konami were on my mind directly without even talking to the guy in dragonblight, again another meme, this time from general gamer on the internet knowledge
• Encrypted puzzle box in 430 had a different design than the rest of them, guo-lai halls was picked even though I am sure lots of pandaria halls had these tiles, so why guo-lai specifically?
  1/??

I mean I have more, trying to put all of these things into a sequence as a story perhaps

so far not questions I know 😄

you dont have to answer yet

[muted blaze]

2/??

• Rubenstein's safe - requires associating the name rubenstein with torches and a juggling pattern which is kinda random, but I guess we are just googling now as juggling is not something we are predisposed to do or know about as wow players or gamers. Anyway we learnt that if something is specific enough and does not seem like something from wow, we can just use google to look for clues
• Handwritten note (only thing which is not directly associated with a number is the newman's landing where the 1 could be anything, but the one house and one clock were a reach and were probably just about the 1 reputation)
• feeling lucky - there you get a a lucky number which is 7 in our culture, when you input it 5 times it gives you a magnifying glass so we were looking for 5 luck improving items? but some players were reporting success with less than 5 items or 7s so I am not clear on what the actual solutions there was supposed to be or if it was rng improved by combination of items and numbers, which would be on theme with being lucky
• Hear - supposedly misspelled Here like the rest, but then we somehow figured out to do the thinking cap from the Hear to that specific console. This step now is the first where the association requires level of abstraction one level higher than the others so far. Like Hear would become a message:"Go here with an ear". But this is the first time we were required to use the thinking cap inside Ratts revenge. We have to believe only in the English versions of everything as other languages reportedly had some of the Here labels mistranslated as "think or understand" so we could have thought that there was a typo in this, hopefully so far the english version was without problems, but we have to be vigilant.

Ok, 4 oclock - we finally get to use the scroll from vashti after those clue scraps around the instance are decrypted with the launch date to form "bring doom to lights tomb" - another thing which rhymes, we have had a couple of those

[muted blaze]

3/??
now the questions begin, I was not there for 4 oclock and havent seen how it was figured out and the wiki does not say, does not even list the clue scraps under the 4 oclock header, some were visible directly, some were hidden until you had the astral goggles on. So how was that figured out or how do they assemble and decode into that string "Bring Doom to Light's Tomb"? and how was it figured out to multiply something with the launch day and month and then modulo 2004 it? I mean that is way too random for me to understand so far

[safe hound]

I can answer a little on this, the guy who solved it posted on here at the time and may have dissapeared. Ill link his message in a sec.

Basically there were theories on the number 253 showing up - its the product of two primes (11,23) and thats sussy for cryptominded people. People had collected all the numbers and were looking for patterns. Im not sure where it shows as i cant see the scraps yet. wows release date was 11,23,2004 so after some playing they probably plugged those into an affine cipher to see what would generate on diff inputs, and made a very clever realisation that all of the numbers on scraps are the result of numbers in ascii range as input - which is very very specific and couldnt happen by chance

Working backwards is harder and needs knowledge of mod math, i think this was A level maths stuff but tbh might have been first year comp sci degree lol. But because 253 cant divide 2004 (is co prime with 2004), theres a unique mapping from 253xn mod 2004 which means you can create whats called a modular inverse (in this case 301) to go backwards. This step takes some further understanding of why it works that way, but you can handwave it away by seeing that for example 2 x 1002 mod 2004 and 4 x 501 mod 2004 are the same - however there are no two integers multipled by 253 mod 2004 which will give the same result because 253 does not divide 2004.

Anyways theres a simple algoirthm to get the modular inverse, 301, if you know the above. And 301 x scrap number mod 2004 will return the original result, which spelled the answer,which would have been multiplied by 253 mod 2004 to get the numbers

Sorry for wall of text but essentially if youre seing lots of numbers around you might try this approach and see what could have generated them, and some people made some clever insights on it and knew the thing to do. Not sure when the scrap numbers show up but hopefully it was just at that step

[astral bane]

I'm going to assume this is a good answer because I understood very little of it.

[safe hound]

I do like it cus you get there by playing but its one of those ones where if youve seen it before, you know it, if you havent you dont

[burnt hearth]

I can add to this that WPolly shared his excel sheet in which he did the calculation: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tvtbOS5hGiTXk_-h_7OUdWUqbHgGHRPi_WjGyJ1kf1k/edit?gid=217522482#gid=217522482
I didn't understand why he was multiplying with 301 but thanks to your explanation I got a better understanding now.
I'll also add that there was a journal from Ratts in one of the newly unlocked rooms that mentioned the day the adventurers joined the world, which got people thinking of implementing 11/23/2004.

[burnt hearth]

The Rubenstein was not necessarily random googling. Go and stand directly in front of the skeleton. If you look to the right there are some torches/sticks lying in the corner. It's something you completely miss or think of as completely irrelevant.

[safe vine]

Question to the people who WERE working on the english translation in this channel

Do you guys look at the cryptic plaque cipher text at the bottom and just go "Yeah nah, if the solution for 1 oclock wasnt a cipher, this one isnt"

[burnt hearth]

Honestly I have no clue. I orginally thought it was a sentence and only the first letter of every word was shown. Yesterday I thought it might be the positions of the letters on your keyboard.

[safe hound]

Yup, or at least it just as likely could be literally anything else

#felcycle-solved-read-only message
im just running with this approach now, it didnt get taken seriously but it seems really sensible to me. i dont think its the intended way but one sentence must be able to give us an idea even by coincidence. I left my script running since then in the background whilst working on the binary switches ive found jn game, so far last night its generated amongst many many many many other things the fragment

“answer is next step the”

which rearranges to

“the answer next step is”

I also have amongst the other variations

“Next step you should try” which has a similar problem.

but unfortunately because i only have a few machines running it im only able to try finding every five word sentence in existence so it didnt give me any suggestions past that.

Ive also managed to find “you should try to input” and “cheese spoons are without with” so im going to analyse those later for any patterns underneath whilst its running just in case, but theres a few thousand to go through after that.

Im sure one of the sentences i could guess will be a good hint though so im running the numbers.

Sorry my only humour is to say actual nonsense 🤣

[muted blaze]

well yes but the torches there are a confirmation of when you already have a suspicion that it is something to do with juggling as used up torches are a common thing when laying next to skeletons in an ancient dark place

[burnt hearth]

Yeah, I admit it's easier to see once you know it's about juggling.

[muted blaze]

4/??
I think I need to see the clue scraps in-game to understand how that leap of thought happened. I mean it is another escalation of difficulty from the previous o'clocks unless there is something obvious I do not understand now. I guess different strokes for different folks and it counts with some people having different specializations and hobbies. The wiki does not mention any of this, prime numbers, modular inverse, affine cipher. But to follow along you need to know every bit of information which lead to the discovery otherwise your participation in the further clues happens without the context of how you got there. With ratts revenge it seems everything is meant to be a story or to be a followup on the previous oclocks. 1 lead to 2, 2 lead to 3, 3 lead to 4 through the starry goggles unlocking the clue scraps which were invisible.
Anyway to continue my summary:

• 4 oclock was solved by cryptography and faffing about with numbers (I still dont understand how, but that is a me problem)
• 5 oclock was introduced by having the pieces of hate and players recalling plunderstorm gold elemental, then we went to some other associated NPC with plunderstorm, noticed a gossip and got info about pointless, plugged pointless into wowhead and came up with NPC Crendor got and he made the videos where he pointed out pointless things and his was "inside pointless things is treasure" and having the janeiro point statue with treasure inside and the same status as greed in Ratts revenge, so they went there and saw a skeleton which supposedly sells a relic of crystal connections.
  Muffin then was plugged into wowhead and up came an NPC in argus and that one dropped timeless coins which was a late pandaria currency and also was a reference to jeremy feasel the designer who was behind pet battles as well as having several NPCs named after him.

[safe hound]

It was a bit of a random step to slot in imo! Not because the answer is random but because i agree the approach doesnt feel like it follows - i might pick this back up later this week if its not finished by then, would be interesting to see if there was some gradient that led you to look at the numbers more deeply

[wispy hawk]

In short, I noticed that 20 also appears prominently as a difference between numbers, made a table and noticed the numbers clustered together, then calculated 8*253-20=2004

[safe hound]

Nice

[muted blaze]

5/??
so players somehow found the NPC inside Zarhym's daily cooldowned realm (now the guy can be found through wowhead and there is the cd reset brazier, but that must have been a pain for the pioneers... how are you meant to put that together?) and then they were meant to defeat him somehow

• Now how did people figure out it was meant to be done by secret pets?
• Not only some secret pets, but 3 of them and at max pet level, honestly this feels like the biggest gatekeeping part of any of them so far, I dont have any secret pets and while many people here do have them because they are secret and people here love secrets its a grind to first get them and then level up and have pet battling knowledge to defeat the guy, which for a novice like me is not easy

For now I am stopping and will continue with 6 oclock after I get to this step as that is ridiculous to be honest

[wispy hawk]

The table I made, yellow are the numbers the appeared

[safe hound]

Ah thats really really really nice! - trying to figure out how you generated the grid for this approach - I dont quite follow the relevance of the 20 so much as showing that mod 2004 fits in somewhere if things are spaced out by 8 before encrypting - how did you generate the grid? 😄

[wispy hawk]

I mean, it's not difficult to see 20 when you have 1172 1192 1212 1252 1272 and 1292 together

The grid itself is basic Excel formula, add 20 when you move right, add 253 when you move down

[safe hound]

Ah yeah i get that, was just wondering how theyre laid out in that table

Whats the formula you used?

[safe hound]

Ahhh niccee thats clever

[safe hound]

Ahh sorry I cant find the sheet with scrap numbers, was the encoding 253x n + 20 mod 2004? Or were the letters we that got encoded mostly spaced out by 8 in ascii so they get spaced out by 20 after encrypting?

[safe vine]

wrong channel for this, but i believe its also known

[swift mesa]

isnt this the channel for 10th orb?

[safe vine]

first

[swift mesa]

oh 😄

sorry

[wispy hawk]

Yes, difference of 8 in ASCII translates to 20 b/c 8*253=20 mod 2004

[grave gorge]

trial and error probably. it was also known that he would give this quest – https://www.wowhead.com/quest=84781/master-of-secrets
the quest name and content alludes to the hunting of secrets

[wispy hawk]

Also the graffities shown after orb 4

[safe hound]

Yeah I’m fully not bothering to do it tbh, people say itll only take a “few hours” or whatever but that sounds really really painful to me 🤣 There’s loads of other mounts to grab by following a list of chores on wowhead that look less boring to go through and id do those if thats what the point is. Id tried to stop at the puzzles that looked self contained with logic underlying it to figure out and completely missed the mark on that lmao so :shrug:

[muted blaze]

I dont care about the mount anymore, I mean yeah, cool, but I want to participate in the hunt, while I am too far behind and being gatekept from the other oclocks because they are sequential and there is multiple toys and pets needed in steps 5, 6 and 7

[safe hound]

Yeah me too, dont want to do all of that grind and end up missing it anyway because its been solved by then, and because the solution is probably another random slap in the face im not curious anymore, just happy its over 😄

[cerulean mason]

we knew the currency for the item was 9 coins and 1 muffin, the muffin is an obvious reference to the dev Muffinus and he has multiple other references in the game, when people killed the rare associated with him (the muffin thief) they got 1 timeless isle coin which was a drop added this patch, so it pointed to timeless isle.

I think when you beat him with a regular team he tells you "oh i can't give u my shit if you beat me with that team"

[muted blaze]

ok, that is also not on the wiki

[cerulean mason]

it is

[muted blaze]

I meant

I think when you beat him with a regular team he tells you "oh i can't give u my shit if you beat me with that team

[cerulean mason]

oh yea

actually im not sure but it didn't take much time for people to find

it's just that you had to have the 4th pillar done

and that one took some time

but yea the pets take like 2 hours max to get and level, for 6 o clock u can get helped or just go there and if there is people you also get credit, and for 7 o clock you can buy the pet on the AH or through trade

so don't give up you can catch up

[ember umbra]

We knew to beat him with secret pets because the graffiti at Uther's tomb said "beat the master of secrets at his own game" (paraphrasing)

[daring herald]

I had avoided pet battling before this, and had spent my pet charms collecting toys. I spent a few hours back in the Dragon Isles getting renown overfill bags for pet charms. Then I spent about 4 hours looking to pet battling and flying around fighting trainers. I’d say 8 hours total, and it would’ve been 2 if I had a stash of pet charms.

Drustvar’s Wicker and Spyragos were both pretty easy to get, and I have an evoker so had that pet too.

https://www.wow-petguide.com/Strategy/22576/Jeremy_Feasel is the only reason I got past pets.

[daring herald]

The Altars step appears to allow for different players to contribute to the solve. It took me 20 minutes looking up what I was able to contribute with a bunch of other random secret solvers doing the same, while milling about between altars. Really fun during a busier time.

[safe hound]

This is good to know thanks! Wish I hadnt used all my pet charms a couple weeks ago trying something else but doesn’t look toooooo bad if the motivations there, especially if theres still a croud for that alter thing!

[daring herald]

Step 7 only needs the Fledgling Warden Owl, which is 500g if you have rep in Legion. Also is on the AH, but if it’s silly high I’m sure a secret finder can buy and send you one.

[cerulean mason]

just wait for a day that's good for powerleveling pet and you'll be done super fast

[muted blaze]

I mean if you have rep 😄 of course I dont have revered with some non-current faction

[safe hound]

If anyone wants that i have spares

[cerulean mason]

it can be traded

[daring herald]

Additional cost: willpower to try a new game system. That took several days. Also why I was hanging out here!

[pearl sphinx]

so I don't have any characters with shadolands zones unlocked, and it appears there is a bug with no quests showing in oribos so I'm unable to progress that campaign to unlock the zones.. am I just screwed until that bug is fixed? can't get to maldraxxus for the 3rd part of this step

[cloud terrace]

I wonder if a lock can summon you. Not sure if you'd see the right character there though.

[white parrot]

Maybe: "Hüte" goes in the German

[pearl sphinx]

adding an answer to this - you can buy a "shadowlands wormhole generator" on the AH, learn engineering lvl1, and then use the wormhole to teleport into maldraxxus. The NPC still appears even with zero SL campaign progress

[tawdry hull]

or 2 players at the summon stone ? if EU I can help
edit : sry I didn't understood you already solved for yourself, still up if anyone else need and don't want to drop a profession to learn engineering, sorry for the useless ping)

[pulsar sail]

Timwalking Dungeon portal, first on left goes to shadowlands, use the flightmaster to take u to Maldraxxus

No story progress needed

[stiff nexus]

You can also:

1. Enter the Timeways (where you take the Portals to the M+ Dungeons)
2. Take the Portal to Bastion/Ardenwald
3. Talk to the Flightmaster
4. Fly to Maldraxxus

Thats the way i do it, because i have the same problem ^^

[solar sparrow]

#1308885127819952158 message

[safe hound]

Did anyone who stayed behind here try to catch up? Just wondering if alter step is gunna be a hard block by now or if you found it easy to find people with the right things?

[hollow plover]

let's say that josh mentioned 2-3 times about cheating ... does that mean we need to follow the mankrik between the expansions to see what he have done after olgra thingy ?

[safe hound]

Dunno, tbh i think the goal here is to let go of any and all understanding and embrace the fun in the fact every stage is nonsense 🤣

Has anyone got spyragos? Im grinding the pets to go on from here, but half way through spyragos and world breaker thing next looks really tedious - does it take forever is there a quicker one? I have no idea about df

[daring herald]

If you’ve got the quest for Spyragos it’s about 10 minutes of flying around that zone picking up and using drinks

If you’re doing the questline from the start it takes ???
It just naturally was worked on during 10.0.

[safe hound]

im at the bit i need to go get this worldbreaker title and find obsidian keys after, not sure how long that would take

[daring herald]

Which secret pets do you already have?

[safe hound]

None 😅

Finding it really hard to parse which to target

[daring herald]

Get TapTaf and Wicker Pup from Drustvar. That should take 15-20 minutes

[safe hound]

Ah brilliant thanks, was heading for wicker pup for sure anyway!

[daring herald]

Hungering Claw was 30min to an hour, but I did that before dragonriding.

Terky should also be quick.

[safe hound]

Perfect! Cheers will take a look, i think theres a legion one id go do too but not sure if its good

[wispy hawk]

Jenafur is also easy to get

[safe hound]

Ah yeah i thought you were joking, looks mad to solve , but it doesnt look too tedious with the guide

[cloud terrace]

The video, I think by Kelani, made it very easy. The route to pick up the items and then where to put them was easy to follow. The hardest part was not bugging out the stupid play by killing them too fast.

[safe hound]

Theres a decent map with the route on think ill cusl no grind invilved

[safe hound]

Actually this isnt too bad almost done with those 3 thanks! boy do i wish i didn’t spend all my pet charms leveling some owls 2 weeks ago🤣

[hollow plover]

does anyone found this book ?

[safe vessel]

The evoker pet also takes like 5mins

[safe hound]

Yeah but need alevel 70 evoker for that, gon try with jen and the two drustvar ones, all three took like 40 mins from giving up on spyragos to starting to level so not too bad

[muted blaze]

how do I get to drustvar as a horde with no BFA progress?

[safe vessel]

Dornogal port to siege of boralus

[muted blaze]

I was just in dornogal... 😄

Thanks 🙂

[muted blaze]

wait for jenafur I cant just go in kara and do it? do I have to do the prerequisite steps?

[safe hound]

Im not sure, i saw conflicting and just in case spoke to the women clicked the bowl anyway cus theyre close to druid portals

In doing these 6battle pet wqs to get these pet charms just spamming 1 lol its quite tedious

Theres a wq up to get the stone to upgrade one of the drustvar ones to rare atm in tww zone

[muted blaze]

the food does not spawn for me, I havent spoken to the woman or clicked the bowl

[safe hound]

Jesus christ how are you supposed to do alters orb 6 without people doing it anymore 🤣

[toxic oak]

are u winning son? did you guys solve the message?

[burnt hearth]

Yes, Check the pins for the solution!

[safe hound]

yup! the solution was that ratts is a nonsense mechant who peddles nonsense and you can turn that nonsense into anything you want 🤣

[spare tartan]

You can ask in the #felcycle channel and someone might be able to help

[sleek siren]

Near the active altar you'll see orbs:
Small blue Orb - Battle Pet
Small Sha Orb - Toy
Big Air Orb - Mount
Fire Orb - likely transmog, or appearance.

If a particular orb shows that means you need to do that. Example for blood altar: wearing blood mog while a pet with blood in it's name is summoned and on a mount with blood in it's name but still the torch is on the altar and nothing happens. There is a small dark orb near which means you need to use some sort of a blood toy, for example something that transforms you. Stacking all those 4 things completes the altar. Actually easier solo because you can see the orbs/what needs to be done.

[green saddle]

I've gone off the boil with these puzzles. Still occasionally fiddling with letter selection form the hournals, but my heart's not in it. You know that bit in many games where it suddenly gets too hard and for shitty reasons, like: "Here's the boss again only he has 10 times as much health and can one-shot you" or "This fight is hard, but if you fail your last save point was before those 4 mini-bosses you just spent the last half an hour beating, because fuck you."

[safe hound]

Yeah i can see this completely - im going to embrace endless of possibilities, multiplied together in a maddening infinite combinatorial storm of nonsense because its funny, and not try to actually do anything reasonable i think

I have 5 valid anagrams with the right commas with ratts one mentions olgra lol - without foreknowledge wed have endless red herrings at room 1 too

[green saddle]

If the only way to make sure the puzzle doesn't get solved immediately is to make the problem space so unfeasibly massive and to give nowhere near enough information to allow even the cleverest players to move in the right direction, then it stops being fun.

[safe hound]

Im convinced ratts is an old god now, i thought she was just a dirty vermin fox who eats out of bins and leaves rubbish everywhere but now i think theres some darker maddening trap in play here

[safe hound]

Yup! An np hard problem space🤣

Just like nzoth showed us, endless possibilities

[green saddle]

She's like the mice in Hitchiker's: The mouse is just a projection into our universe of a vast, hyper-dimensional intelligence. 😄

[safe hound]

And perhaps that too is a clue, we should include this in to the steps we try 🤣

It is nice though that anything is valid its a sandbox to suggest everything we can make

The infinite void is creation, it is a singularity of all possibilities

And we dwell in it. It has been, will be, will always have been, will always will be, and will have always will been.

[green saddle]

I'm loving the community and the psychology of it, though. I've been more absorbed in the lore and minutiae of WoW than I ever have been before, but we're still the rats in this experiment. Running around this infinite maze and being studied by an intelligence that we can't even begin to comprehend. 😄

[muted blaze]

Same vibe comes from the lore speculation communities, but there you dont get any feedback until your theories are confirmed by the story for the game.

Anyway, I am doing Jenafur now and to confirm, you dont need to click on the bowl in elwyn for the secret food to start spawning in kara, you just have to talk to the night elf in ashenvale first

[safe hound]

Btw if youre looking to go ahead past owls i have a spare 25 hooter for that, it might help leveling your pets if you dont have enough 25s or pet charms too, the owls pretty viscious

[candid rapids]

Why is 10 o'clock Orb marked "Solved"?

[safe hound]

One O clock

[candid rapids]

lol,, my bad..

[green saddle]

Morning all. I see we've moved back to Vigenere again. 😄

[safe hound]

Lol, i regret everything about ever seeing this event at this point 🤣 its a curiosity trap. looks like a cipher but might well be another word guessing game to get keyfrom the main threads anyways 🤣, wish id had a chance to play with it instead of this nonsense

[ashen tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-gta-gif-20483040

[safe hound]

How many people who people who wanted to have a go and work this out are working on 9? 🤣 should probs have been having a go on that than this the whole time, but i cba with the risk of another fakeout like this 😂😭

[safe vine]

I share a similar sentiment

I gave it a few hours and am satisfied.

[muted blaze]

Thank you, I got delayed, have the wicker beast, the tap taf and jenafur now and am in process of leveling them up

[safe hound]

Ah nice, i did it with those, took a good few tries in the guy, needed to get a bit lucky with rng but got there in about 15 battles lol

[burnt hearth]

I'm following what's happening on orb 9 but don't have the time to participate. Even if I would find some time the coming days, it feels like a flood of information to go through 🥲

[untold marten]

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разуме
[Е] В [ТЕ] [Л]И
теле

в и
Ольгра ищет свет в теле, разуме и душе

An attempt to build the solution in russian, contents + "ratts", split words in syllables, took unique letters, added the letters that form same syllable with it, if there's none, looked at "ratts" for extra letters.
Didn't work all the way through, idk how to solve anagramms optimally.

[blissful eagle]

but in German there is no T in it

in german problem is, there are to many Ds, Es... I have found Körper and Seele.
Körper = body
Seele = soul
? = mind
would be Geist. But no T in it... Würde maybe? Or some other words..

[solar sparrow]

You need to add RATTS - she removed herselve from the anagram.

[blissful eagle]

Oh, ok I try today after work 🙂

[daring herald]

No, this channel is not missing the Zeroth number. Let it rest in memory of Ratts' Anagrams.

[tiny vector]

kk