Owl of the Watchers

[young rose]

What is with these owls

Its hoot time!!

[arctic ruin]

HOOTZ?

yeah

its half hoot time

u can solve the puzzle but its get stuck there

[young rose]

Sus

[winged spade]

because, just because it's owls and owls are adorable creatures.

[young rose]

I mean i think this is actually a huge part of the draw for me lol the mysterious spooky owls. That and ive learned about myself that i can not cope with switch that probably doesnt do anything just incase it might 🤣

[fervent marten]

55.2, 71.5 for the room with the statue. I don't have the academy coords right now, but that spot I found is in the very first room at the bottom of the broken stone ramp. Should be easier to spot since it's next to one of the only targetable Drowned Student NPCs in that room, and they are kneeling.

[winged spade]

welcome to the rabbit hole

[remote ivy]

Is there a pin or a guide for getting Glazers puzzle to spawn?

[winged spade]

yes there is
#1308884230985617418 message

[river maple]

I posted this in the other thread, but based purely from the observation that the chest that got spotted and removed is somewhat ghostly in nature it made me think of narthalas academy as well and how we had to fight mobs in there for a quest (maybe wq too). Perhaps the training is done for the owl and we need to train ourselves by somehow having those ghosts summon us up some warden enemies to fight?

[whole coyote]

there's a time lost version but the item to summon is from Archaeology once every half a year…

[fervent marten]

this theory interestingly correlates with the as-yet unusable scroll I found and posted about last night #1305679978792222830 message

[arctic ruin]

ah

forgot to mention you

its an old scroll

from way back in legion

so unsure if its now usable

but it was back then too

[fervent marten]

it was or wasn't usable back then? would have expected the scroll to turn up in a wowhead search if it was a usable object at any point

[arctic ruin]

wasnt usable back then

its just an item with hover effect

[bronze timber]

The Mystery of the Owl Watchers, Volumes
19 - 26
1 - 9
10 - 17
Where is the 18th volume??

[plucky stone]

I'm still surprised it wasn't 17 that was missing

[torpid quest]

owl

I need to read all these theories

[winged spade]

interesting

[quartz fern]

did we figure out what the little moonglaives are in the dungeon? or if there are only 2 or more?

[young rose]

How little are they, are the chances of my little owl becoming an adorable little warden growing? 🤣

[paper cliff]

mh they dont even show up for me

[quartz fern]

you're going back to look for them after beating her and taking the orb?

[paper cliff]

well I take the orb after she aggroed me, kill her and go back up. her orb disappears when trying to go up the elevator

I did it once, a week ago, but suddenly it doesn't work anymore. or do i have to take the orb before engaging her?

[quartz fern]

I have that issue if I leave the dungeon after beating her and come back in, you have to do it all in the same clear. I just hop into a fresh normal and full clear, grab the orb near her, and start running back. The first set is in the cave system anyway, you might be able to see it with one of the 2 lights in there(don't take those up the elevator they WILL disappear. Has to be the light next to her, you can kill her while holding it.

[paper cliff]

Ya I tried that. When I was taking the light before I even engage her, the orb vanishes and I can't even cross the bridge. I never log out of the dungeon. I always do it in one go. I tried many things. It worked once. Guess it's a bit buggy since I do nothing different than others. 🥲

[rich gorge]

I finally have your answer:
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=99762/legion-endbringer

[river maple]

While maybe, the helmet is wrong. The one in the cell has the baseline wrathguard helmet with two small horns sticking out of the side.

[rich gorge]

Shoot, that's true. I'll keep looking around. But there are a lot of mobs in the vault here. Inquisitors and wyrmtongue also. Feels similar.

[young rose]

You people humble me so much its awesome 🤣 i see a demon you guys see a wraithguard with the shoulder wrong but not quite that one

[dawn plinth]

Is there any plans to add the 7'o'clock orbs to the Incognitro Wiki page, for the owl watchers statue and pet stuff?

[flat adder]

the wiki is for documenting, not really to put partial stuff WIP in

at least to some extent ^^

[green crest]

I think not yet, because we bruteforced this pedestal and now we shouldnt have any progress here yet, because we progressed because of the bug, so it is better not to add it right now I think.
Right now people are doing puzzle despite it was said we cant do it now because we have no reward/no progress here but people still does it and asking why there is no chest etc., they cant read pins so this would be confusing I think.

[ruby void]

I don't see it in pinned, but have we found what to do with the little owl statue?

after lootinh it I mean

[arctic ruin]

@ruby void pinned in #1308884230985617418

[coarse spoke]

Please help. There is so much chatter here, that it is hard to find what I am looking for. I was able to get three buffs from the Isle of the Watchers Owls yesterday, but the green one was not up. I went to the dungeon and there were 3 clouds of color in the room, and went back today and got the green buff and my pet Fledging Warden Owl has a white orb above it's head. Went back to Chamber of the Night which has all four cloud colors now, but there is no statue.

[obtuse peak]

You need to bring the light from the final boss to see the statue

[arctic ruin]

No need to bother with the statue

You cannot progress further as of now

If you get the owl empowered, stop there, the puzzle is not 'solvable'

you can solve it, but nothing will happen, it is a time waste if you go and do it

[coarse spoke]

So even though some people have the statue in their inventory it won't matter if I don't and cannot get it?

[arctic ruin]

correct

you can get the statue, but there is no need to bother spending half n hour with it

[coarse spoke]

Every time I try to braing the light with me it disappears before I can get back to the room

[arctic ruin]

to get the statue, you need to kill cordana the last boss in the dungeon, get the light in her room and take it in the secret room

[coarse spoke]

I did that the first time before I had the 4th color (I think-I don't remember the light stay ing with me the whole time but I did get it)

[coarse spoke]

The light keeps disappearing before I can get back.

[arctic ruin]

Kill boss

[coarse spoke]

I did

[arctic ruin]

get the light near her

thats all

[coarse spoke]

That is what I said. I killed Cordona, talked to someone, took the light in the corner, but it disappears before I can get back.

[arctic ruin]

talked to someone?

[coarse spoke]

In the center of Cordona's room, after you kill her, if you wait for a few seconds, someone appears and is green to me and says well done or something and then she gives you an opportunity to leave the dungeon, which of course I don't do. She is still there if you go back

[arctic ruin]

ah that

well

dont know then

i have run it so many times now

i dont experience losing the orb

[coarse spoke]

Maybe I will run it again since nothing else appears to be happening LOL

[arctic ruin]

i just kill her and take the orb and go

but reminding you again

it is POINTLESS to spend time doing it now to loot the statue and going to solve the puzzle

[coarse spoke]

But it bothers me...am I the only one who got this far and did NOT get the statue which clearly will be needed later?

[arctic ruin]

youre not the only one

even if you are, it doesnt change anything

as you cannot do anything with it now

[coarse spoke]

oh, ok...the statue will show up later you think?

[arctic ruin]

the statue will appear even now if you go and check it

you just need to have your owl empowered and bring up the light

[coarse spoke]

ok Thanks for your patience.

[arctic ruin]

np

[jade igloo]

This is happening to me too. I've killed her twice now.
The light disappears once I hit that elevator lift and make it to the top.

[flat adder]

you have to pick up the light before you kill her probably

[coarse spoke]

I reset the instance and did it again and it worked fine.

Oh, and I dismissed my Fledgling Owl until I got back to the room with the colored orbs , then summoned him and the statue appeared. Not sure why Elune's Light did not work the first time, but I did loot the actual Elune's Light and it was in my inventory the second time. I did loot her of course the first time, but don't know what was or was not in my bag. Sometimes, I think I completely loot something, but actually did not loot it all. Maybe that is what happened?

[jade igloo]

So glad it worked for you! It was bothering me I couldn’t get it as well.
I’ll have to try resetting it.

[coarse spoke]

I didn't see any sense not getting it now since we are not doing anything else useful. lol

[jade igloo]

I guess it’s one of those- just maybe maybe later I’d need that step kind of things.
Like me keeping my haunting memento forever 🤪

[midnight eagle]

yooooooooo

[arctic ruin]

oh

OH

THE CELL DOORS!?

[fervent marten]

There's a book in the crystal room talking about the wardens and owl statues. I made a gallery of the opening and all possible pages. https://imgur.com/a/IW4ixW3
My brain is too fried right now to make much sense of them, but I get the feeling someone's idea a couple days ago of "training the owl and training ourselves to be wardens" was the correct direction.

[midnight eagle]

It mentions exactly how to empower our owl!

[final canyon]

they took Tellz google doc and put it into the game lol

[fervent marten]

really?

I'm not familiar with what's been theorized about this one over the years

[final canyon]

its a good read

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRN7KIQZMIyaJvNhOiPrw6WeR2f6uqWiNRoOPFKbsQo

[fervent marten]

btw it was reported that the VotW statue is now properly lootable after getting into the crystal room

slow mode is rough in there, but after taking the Sentry Statue back to the Catacombs and attempting to place it, I got a secret-found toast above my head. Going back to Ratts' book from here: https://imgur.com/a/abridged-highlights-of-notes-on-owl-watchers-IW4ixW3
...has revealed that one of the existing possible pages has CHANGED.

Instead of the page which roughly reads "Maybe I can find my own warden...", it now reads "Why does the trainee have pigtails?"

worth noting that after doing this step with the Sentry Statue, there was no state change with the pedestals in the felcycle room

[ivory jewel]

the sentry statue always gave you the magnifying glass no matter where you took it. maybe that page is just random between 2(or more) different pages

[fierce basalt]

It now summons the statue tho

[fervent marten]

damn, the randomness on that book is frustrating

I clicked it 30 times and didn't get the "find my own warden" bit before writing that

but apparently both pages are in there

[fervent marten]

where did you use it? my statue did not appear

so thinking I didn't use it in the right place

[ivory jewel]

@fierce basalt which one? glazer room? always summoned that in there. are you saying it will summon it anywhere you place it?

[fervent marten]

the statue that's now properly lootable is the one in the room before first boss which requires light + warden owl pet

iirc that was the one that buggily came up in NA but not EU earlier in the week

[fierce basalt]

Nah just there

[ivory jewel]

what do you mean "properly lootable"? whats different about it? @fervent marten

[fervent marten]

Josh said it wasn't supposed to be lootable at the time it was

unless he was talking about glazer's room

[fierce basalt]

It's a reference to jenafur

[ivory jewel]

yes, but did he update us and say that now it is? they made it lootable for everyone and said we werent supposed to be on that step and that we have skipped several steps and that we are basically wasting our time. maybe Im wrong, but I dont think we are on that step still since its pylon 7, not pylon 6

[fervent marten]

ah valid, since we need the owl empowered anyways

[whole coyote]

No it isn't, there are 9 entries.

[fervent marten]

gonna go back and get it to have so I don't forget later 😂

[ivory jewel]

also this thread is really for the old legion secret, the vault of the wardens step is supposed to be discussed in #1308884230985617418 😛

[dawn jackal]

i didnt loot the mirror ? did you get it from clcicking the owl statue after you bring orb up stairs

[young rose]

!!!!!

[young rose]

Ratts is tellz confirmed

[whole coyote]

Kinda looks like a cipher substitute thinking about it. 😂

[tardy pollen]

dude... I feel so honored 😄

[final canyon]

you should

[dawn jackal]

how do i get the mirror ????? i have the sentry im in grazer room with light ? what do i do

[tardy pollen]

Opens a portal "You may have found me again! But! This mystery is just beginning to unfold! I have 24 more dungeons just like the Karazhan Catacombs! Good Luck!"

[tardy pollen]

OH MY GOSH!!!

That is a direct reference to a section of the document in which I detailed the hair of the trainees at the warden camp xD

[fervent marten]

hahahaha

yeah apparently the page was always in there but I just didn't click enough. Still, seems like they documented the whole thing

[tacit acorn]

In English:

[quartz fern]

your time to shine, you guys are up

I'm gated behind bs pet battles I can't do till tomorrow

[tardy pollen]

I just wanted to say this as a quick sidenote. I have a theory that the puzzle we are interacting with now took into account the research that we had nailed down i.e. the patterns and puzzle solves. It now spawns randomly obviously, but this prevents the statue correlations chart that we previously made from being useful... HOWEVER! I want to reinforce the fact that, no matter what is changed in this puzzle, It is always dealing with a 1 by 4 based mathematical algorith. It basically mimics the exact behavior of a rubiix cube.
You can actually prove this by making 4 moves to reset back to exactly where you were. The same as if you made 4 turns on a rubix cube and ended up back at the same spot.
I demonstrated in one of my old videos that you can reset a move by using this theory. So if you ever make a mistake it is entirely possible to undo it AND this puzzle is technically impossible to attain an unsovable state. Thats just how math works.

[turbid umbra]

Just curious, are the felcycle part of the watchers replacing the old theories, or is there potentially still the original secret to solve?

[little folio]

It does however, give me a headache :"D

[worn haven]

Ima be honest I'm glad the owl puzzle kicked my ass as much as it did, it needed the payback for all the years I said it was a nothingburger

[river maple]

So the cell door is still a mystery huh?

[little folio]

Imma try it again tomorrow, think I just need some sleep to do it 😂

[worn haven]

they referenced it in Ratts notes at least

[river maple]

patience and perseverance are the keys. it took me tedious screenshotting with the help of the addon but it worked flawlessly.

[river maple]

yea...

lol

[weary pendant]

I was hoping the staff might be able to clarify that with him very basically. I think this was the secret finally being completed/implemented fully. Would be really cool to know for sure if we still had secrets we have missed from the past.

[patent steeple]

can anyone tell me how the little statue appear? cause i have my pet empowered and opened the room but nothing in the middle. i see many screenshots with the ball from the shadow part of the dungeon on the head. do i need it?

[river maple]

you need the light

you have to kill cordana, pick up her light and take it back upstairs.

That reminds me, so that moonblade was nothing?

There are still two mysteries in the vault. The cell door and the moonblade.

Unless for some reason the moonblade was just a vague hint to tell yo uto take the light upstairs to that room.

[ivory jewel]

I think there were 2 moonblades

[tardy pollen]

I am here and ready for action!

[river maple]

yea, one with a tooltip and one in the orb/statue room with no tooltip iirc.

IF the moonblade in the orb/owl room is always there then its possible the moonblade in the basement that is only visible with the light is a hint telling you to take the light up there.

We had the fortune to have this secret basically solved when we got to this step.

So it's difficult to tell what was supposed to be a hint to progress or a potential clue that there is something else.

[drowsy furnace]

unrelated to the felcycle puzzle, do we know whether or not there was an original secret here and how far off we were from the solution?

[river maple]

We know that some of what is required for the felcycle existed before the patch. We know the advanced puzzle we saw had been seen before, many times, on an unknown spawn schedule (possibly triggered by something and not timed). As far as I know, in a more direct answer to your question, we do not know if there was a complete vault secret pre-felcycle.

[drowsy furnace]

gotcha, fair enough

yeah I'd been down there for the glazer puzzle on the moon cycle or whatever a few times

but never made any headway with anything myself, I was in the discord group for a while

[river maple]

I think the most burning question, in my mind, is whether or not the orbs existed pre-cycle.

And if the bird could be buffed with the light.

And we still have two mysteries (one being a possible "look here" clue). The cell door and the moonblade.

[drowsy furnace]

the cell door I'm fully expecting to come up again later

there was enough secret fodder here to warrant coming back later in the process

[river maple]

The owl statues are still locked as well.

[drowsy furnace]

which owl statues?

oh in the catacombs?

[river maple]

you'd think if we were done with them, in Ratts' scenario, they would become interactable and despawn.

[weary pendant]

these never showed up for me. they may be related to something else. quest maybe

[drowsy furnace]

yeah definitely agreed with this

[untold valley]

I keep seeing this be linked from the abridged notes, and I'm curious why it goes A B C D E then the last 4 are in a different order I H F G and not FGHI. It's not in reverse for the last 4 or it would read IHGF so why are the g and f swapped

[river maple]

It's some sort of code. Im not familiar enough with the overall secret to just instantly know where it was used.

[worldly pivot]

It's not been directly used yet. It seems like it might have been relevant to the watcher statue puzzle but wasn't required, or it could be useful later

[young rose]

when is it found? Its interesting theres nine of them

[ivory jewel]

@untold valley you should post this in #felcycle-solved-read-only - thats where we talk about the next step, and what you posted could be part of that

[worldly pivot]

seems that it's a reference to amara's wish, the music that was part of jenafur. It's inside the humming crystal room.

[visual zodiac]

why this code is a reference to amara's wish?

[worldly pivot]

It's the same shape as the music notes, apparently. It seems a bit abstract but broadly similar

If you fill it out in say, an excel grid or something like that.

[hasty arrow]

can anyone explain to me why i dont see the statue to start the puzzle inside the dungeon? i killed grazer , i have the pet buffed and all, but idk where i loot the statue? what am i missing

[ivory jewel]

@hasty arrow in a room to the left, before the first boss

but first you need to kill the last boss in the instance, pick up the "elune's light" before you go back to the first boss @hasty arrow

[hasty arrow]

thank you!

[raven shale]

There have been two mini moonglaive spotted in the dungeon which did not have a use for pedestal nr. 7

Maybe later on for the statues in the dungeon

[hasty arrow]

got it! where do i place it now? where the grazer is?

[ivory jewel]

@hasty arrow in the middle of the square, on the rounded platform above the gameboard in the gazer room. but its better if you write in #1308884230985617418 because more people can help there and there are good pins for this in that channel

[hasty arrow]

did man and sorry! thanks alot!

[outer blade]

In @tardy pollen doc, the 9 outside owl statues are labeled A through I...we tried many times to get a pattern out of them....

[river maple]

Are those chess moves? is that some kind of well known opener?

i know, wrong channel.

[outer blade]

Sorry just catching up. Missed all the events today.

[visual zodiac]

chess grid doesnt have "i" row

[hot copper]

Not chess moves, chess would not go to 25, it would all be A-H 1-8

[river maple]

Ah, ty

[marsh nest]

there are two watchers in the catacombs that interact with the idol

[ember abyss]

So just to make sure im caught up, are we just trying to figure out this puzzle or is this solved? The threads are a bit confusing, just wanted to know if this is the step we are on

[ivory jewel]

@ember abyss owl puzzle in the dungeon vault of the wardens is solved. next step(pylon 8) is discussed in #felcycle-solved-read-only

[ember abyss]

Ah perfect, thank you. Now I just gotta decipher where that puzzle steps are as the thread doesnt show the update for me. Thank you!

[ivory jewel]

@ember abyss there are 2 threads because there were too many people in the first one so they had to create a second one. so check pins in both channels as they contain info on what to do and tools you might want to use to solve the puzzle #1308884230985617418 and #1310445803441225808

[ember abyss]

Ah yup, I didnt realize the pins were hidden in a different spot. I found it. Thank you! Sorry first time ive seen pins for it

[ivory jewel]

this thread is for the unsolved legion version

np 🙂

[ember abyss]

THe one thread told me to come here, so I guess I misunderstood. Thank you!

[ivory jewel]

oh I see. weird

[charred sentinel]

I still think there's something to do in Vault of the Wardens with the cell - related to either this or the new catacombs secret. I'm not convinced we're done here yet.

[untold valley]

I'm not sure if anything from the felcycle stuff will reference information for the unsolved secret but in the Abridged notes of the Owl watchers One of the pages says "The vaults hold the key. The light opens the way."

I could be missing an old reference from VotW but I wouldn't dismiss there being possible other solves inside the dungeon

[ivory jewel]

lights open the way to finding the sentry?

[wicked nymph]

so what happens after daily reset you just loose owl statue and have to do dungeon again?

[storm mason]

oh i love this one!

[vivid beacon]

this puzzle will be the death of me

[loud gull]

I am very confused on this step, my owl has the purple looking orb above its head, I have 4 orbs lit at 7 o'clock, I'm not sure what the next step is (and yes i read the pins) they are confusing.

[ivory jewel]

@loud gull you will find more help #1308884230985617418 and #1310445803441225808

[storm mason]

...the flashbacks 🙈 🦉

[ivory jewel]

@loud gullyou need a fledgling warden owl with a white orb above it. then you go to vault of the wardens in azsuna, broken isles. clear the entire dungeon including the last boss. take the white orb your character gets called "elune's light" back up the elevator back to boss number 1. walk past his room with the white orb and your battle pet out, and turn right. there is a room with 4 mists in different colours and a small owl sentry on the floor. pick it up. go back down the elevator and go to the room with the big eye boss. place the sentry on the small platform overlooking the room. you have to place it in the right spot; in the square on that platform or you will have to do all of this again. then click the sentry to start the game puzzle, complete puzzle and loot the item in the chest that spawns by the sentry you put down. do all of this on normal mode so you can reset the instance if needed + wear your goggles and make sure you complete pillar 1-5 first before you do this step of the puzzle

[winged spade]

THIS is the flashback

[winged spade]

you see what he did, he took our owl alphabet identification system and combined it with the puzzle solution tile numbers.

[storm mason]

no i didnt! you had those numbers memorized way more than me 😉 nice one

[green crest]

If it is true it was only something unfinished past then and now he (they) gave purpose to Owls because of Tellz document, it is reaaally amazing and I am happy for us. 🦉

[ornate comet]

Thank you SO MUCH @tardy pollen @storm mason and anyone else who helped put that master document together. I couldn't put it down once I started reading. This gives me goosebumps I just know there's something!

One of the owl statues near the top of the elevator glowed, disappeared and reappeared for me after killing the boss that blocked the door. The opposite wall might be a false wall. Is this known?

[ivory jewel]

its because the imps can destroy it if you dont kill them fast enough, so I think sometimes it just bugs out a bit

[storm mason]

it is very known ^^ the statue will come back after a short while - and if you kill the imps around it, it will stay

[ornate comet]

Alright! There must be something in this place somewhere Blizz is just teasing it with this anniversary puzzle. Very interesting every little detail that they're drawing our attention to in one way or another.

Admittedly very minor if anything but what also seemed peculiar about it was my body clips a little further through the opposite wall in a way that reminds me of the fake door in the Ironforge royal chamber which led to under IF.

[green crest]

I have only 1 question.. why are you naked? 😁

[ornate comet]

I just came from the altars in ZG and I mogged off for the Succubus one. 🤣 Mogs can wait while secret hunting

[arctic ruin]

Was the moonblade found perhaps, again? Cus, even catching up with all the rest, it is still not there

report was it was here

[ornate comet]

I suppose this is another clue pointing to the isle.

[ornate comet]

What is that?

[arctic ruin]

The supposed moonblade should be there

[ivory jewel]

no one has seen them since we finally got to this step for real

[arctic ruin]

that is, incredibly odd

[ivory jewel]

wonder if they were part of the original secret from legion

[arctic ruin]

cus, the moonblade was a toy right?

[ivory jewel]

what makes you think that? there were 2 moonblades in the dungeon afaik

[arctic ruin]

there was a screenshot of the guy showing it in their toy collection

[ivory jewel]

I mustve missed that screenshot.

[arctic ruin]

yeah

the moonblade is missing

somehow!?

[ivory jewel]

that is not in his toy collection. there was 1 more moonblade on the upper levels next to a door/entrance up against a wall

we should ask Josh once this whole secret hunt is over. then we can ask about the legion secret aswell

[arctic ruin]

@soft osprey@cloud jasper@turbid gale @somber kernel the moonblade is missing, you guys sent a screenshot of it once in the server, was it a toy or what was it when you have interacted with it?

[past leaf]

Hmm... I haven’t seen the Moonblade in the past few days

[green crest]

It disappeared day after we found it.

Cause I went for my statue day after we found moonblades and I couldnt find it.

[sterile flame]

Why after compleeting the 6oclock the Relic of Crystal Connections don't work anymore to enter the crystal room ?? ><'

[ivory jewel]

@sterile flame are you targeting the crystal inside the room? the crystal above the door is what you target when you want to get out of the room again

[soft osprey]

was on the ledge just b4 you jump down to the last packs b4 the door will take a SS

[arctic ruin]

oh no need to take a screenshot

cus, its not there

like it really is missing

and now we are worndering, why is it missing

[soft osprey]

yeh after the hotfox it was gone

[arctic ruin]

atleast we got the ID of it

[soft osprey]

I noticed when I wennt back to get my owl statue again since I used it in the kara dung to see what happens

but yeh just the orb lit it up and you couldn't click it but got a tooltip

[sterile flame]

Is it old ? (the idol seems to point on something behind the wall)

[ivory jewel]

its pointing at the owl statue that is behind some rubble and walls at the start of the instance

[sterile flame]

Yes ok ..

[ivory jewel]

😉

[fossil shuttle]

I can't be more thrilled waking up this morning and seeing all the notes left in the catacombs, it was so will done.

The cell will haunt me forever though🤣🤣

[hasty arrow]

i thought the pets part would be the frustrating one, yet ive done it in less than 1 hour getting what ive missed defeating the battle 1st try getting the muffin... but the watchers thing .. the puzzle.... oh man..... everything is so much frustrating about it.. the addon, the workaround, one mistake whole puzzle ruined... im loosing my last bits of sanity with this... so fkin disgusting. (and yes i suck to it obv.)

[vale lily]

i am finally on the 7th orb

is there a certain statues we need to click or it is random for each player?

as in the dungeon itself not the one for the owl buff

[river maple]

Has anyone tried beaming the cell door with the new device we got?

I know. Stupid and silly. I’ll try it later.

[ornate comet]

Is the master doc correct the last time the special Glazer puzzle was observed was in Oct 2022?

[grizzled halo]

Hi

someone tested machine?

[storm mason]

it was noted to up on 23. januar 2024

dont think we have seen it since - besides very recently during this anniversary thing

[grizzled halo]

if you stand in the light swap colors

cushions work

[fierce basalt]

You are in the wrong channel. #felcycle-solved-read-only is where you want to look, and yes, we know about the machine and its interactions, just not what to do with it.

[grizzled halo]

ok sorry

[calm rune]

It definitely feels like Ratts read Tellz's and others' notes in incredible detail based off the contents of the book lol

Definitely feels like homage to the work everyone has put in over the years

[young rose]

Yeah just saw theres even a reference to that titan tomb of the watchers place from that doc!

Im wondering if the decision to open owls early was so to give everyone a glimpse of the work done on unsolvable owls 🤣 it was great to see it

[river maple]

All that work effectively instantly solved that entire pedestal. Probably why all the hints and cues were so obvious. Though I am still wondering about the watcher statues in the catacombs...

[sinful pike]

Why when I clicked on solve nothing happens

[river maple]

make sure you have all 25 statue links noted properly, then input your current up statue layout. It will either output a solution for you to follow or an error.

[winged spade]

as am I. I think those could represent the Owl at Cordana's Apex and the Green Owl in the spider cave since we also felt those were connected, bringing the total of Owls in the Broken Isles to 11.

[sinful pike]

Mb I hadn't noted the current layout, I'll try again

[river maple]

if it shoots an error I believe the notes for the addon said to hit some statues to have less total up and try to solve again.

Something to do with the limits within the game for an addons capabilities.

[sinful pike]

I didn't mark that I have an error or that some statues are missing, when I do Solve, the game freezes then nothing happens idk why

[river maple]

its hitting an error

you need less options

Refer to my above comment.

The error is not on your part, but a coding type error that is limiting the functions of what the addon is allowed to do within the game. @sinful pike

[sinful pike]

I just succeeded, finally! I must have made a mistake, thanks for the help! 😄

[river maple]

np

[sinful pike]

Bless you

[forest arrow]

After placing the mirror in the machine, the step is done? I dont need to mess with the machine?

[calm rune]

you're caught up at that point

not sure what next step is

[forest arrow]

sweet

[river maple]

Feel free to! that is the step we are currently on.

Maybe yo ucan notice something others haven't

[forest arrow]

Also, I have 2 orbs on step 10 and I have no idea how they got there lol

[river maple]

Button

orb for 50 and 1000 presses.

[forest arrow]

wait, its only 1000?!

well, I went to 10k for no reason LOL

[river maple]

oof

[raven shale]

Someone went to 100k if that makes you feel better

[rich gorge]

Is anyone else going back to play with the owl sentry? I can place it some places, but it glitches out in the hallway? (I've done the regular puzzle for felcycle. I got another statue to play around with.)

Anyone remember if this was text in the original achievement fight? The spectre one in Heroic/Mythic. (Completable only in mythic, but visible in heroic.)

[torpid quest]

Wait. There’s a button I can push?

[ivory jewel]

what do you mean?

[forest arrow]

Its above one of the locked doors. Its the door with the flame thrower statue to the left of it.

[torpid quest]

I really want to press this button, I would also love to help but I’m currently really burnt out of wow

[gritty oasis]

can someone tell me why chest havent appeared

[tropic yoke]

I think i m just going back to wow to help solve this secret, i played legion-bfa-sl and done most of the secrets (ofc with jenafur) and even didnt know that unsloved secret of legion exists, i thought jenafur was the hardest one and with pleasure I will venture back to Legion to try to solve its old, uncovered secret.

[ivory jewel]

@gritty oasis You CANNOT complete this step until you have completed 1-5 o'clock and bought the crystal item from the vendor in Booty Bay for the 9 Pieces of Hate and the Golden Muffin from previous parts of this secret(again; pylons 1-5).
If you have done pylons 1-5 and still can't see the chest: make sure you have your buffed battle pet owl out and that you are wearing your Starry-Eyed Goggles(should be in your backpack). If you did this in a group or duo with someone else, there is a chance only one of you will be able to loot the reward.

[arctic ruin]

made a new website cus i was bored, if you wish you can try it out
https://migwynkriid.github.io/owlpuzzlesolver-wow/

[winged spade]

put on your goggles

[quartz blaze]

Hello, I am an idiot. What room in the vault of the wardens is supposed to have the statue I pick up?
I cleared the whole place, I have the light on my head, and I've walked the whole place twice

[ivory jewel]

@quartz blaze room right before boss room 1

[quartz blaze]

Where the big imp lady was at the door?

[ivory jewel]

@quartz blaze that is after boss 1. if you post the map in this chat I can clip it

[ivory jewel]

@quartz blaze

room isnt on the map, but to the left of that circle

summon pet owl before you enter the room

[quartz blaze]

Yeah I have the owl out, full buffs

Did you flip the picture you clipped?

I can't even find that 😄

[ivory jewel]

@quartz blaze nope its this, below the factions in the bottom left

[quartz blaze]

ah..... I wish I could hide that thing forever

thank you!

[ivory jewel]

good luck with the mini game 🙂

[midnight eagle]

Yes!

Checking a video from 2016:

[quartz blaze]

this puzzle is ridiculous

I think mines broken, it has to be dividing by zero or something

[ivory jewel]

not sure what you mean. are you using one of the helping tools?

[quartz blaze]

the helping tool seems more complicated than the puzzle I'm trying to solve 🙂

[little folio]

https://ham.io/watcher-solver/ I used this and it is very easy to use

[quartz blaze]

That seems maybe better than the claude 5x5 thing I saw

[little folio]

Definitely

It’ll also tell you if your input was incorrect

[ivory jewel]

I solved it with claude. they both work the same way basically

[little folio]

Aye, but the one I linked is more user friendly

[quartz blaze]

The claude input/output didn't tell me anything I could understand. I am not good at this 😄

[ivory jewel]

yes a lot of people like it which is why I recommend it to people

[quartz blaze]

For claude, you can only tie 1 block down to 4 blocks up.
But when I click 1, 3 or 4 go down, and 2 come up.
Claude makes no sense at that point. At least for me. It's a toughy.

[little folio]

Good luck with this one :3

[ivory jewel]

@quartz blaze nah, it works the same way as Ham's. you select the sentry you click, then the 4 that changes no matter if they go up or down. I would recommend you do it all in-game though and write it all in a word pad document. THEN you open claude, minimize the window so you can fit the wordpad next to it and just add number by number. much easier

[quartz blaze]

This did it. I can't even imagine how to code a formula for solving this. Thank you, and spudiful potato for explaining. This is rocket science to me

[little folio]

Happy you got it

[brisk crow]

what do we do with the mirror?

[ivory jewel]

@brisk crow insert in enigmatic machine in your karacombs

[brisk crow]

ty

[ornate comet]

The activity around the anniversary event is going to make investigating old leads difficult. 😦 I keep thinking to myself - are the entries in Ratt’s journal and the entire design of this anniversary secret step .. are they explicit hints back to an undiscovered secret? Or, is it them paying respect to the effort put into the master doc but there is no undiscovered secret? I say that because of just how eerily similar they are, even the references to the tomb of the warden quest and the ruby statue. It’s almost too close, if you know what I mean. Maybe it’s both. Maybe the emphasis Ratt has on the owl statues and their powers and 3-5x are the real hints.

I think they want us to start with statues. I reviewed all the trials in the doc. What happened with that investigation? There was some evidence of a pattern?

Also important question, was the fledgling warden’s pet’s interactions with the statue powers added in 11.0.5? Was it checked back then?

[ornate comet]

Oh annnndd the journal page “The vaults* hold the key. The light shows the way.” (*plural?!) is a huge tease.

[winged spade]

The pattern can be grief'd. The pattern is there, but it's to make the buffs appear random. For it to be a puzzle it would have to be in a phased version of the island with no other players or a group that wants to solve it.

There were also some other factors that could cause the pattern to collapse that I didn't isolate.

And no, we saw the buffs on the pets several years ago while investigating. However, we were concentrating on getting to owls fast and didn't hang around the buffs for long periods so we would have never seen the circular flying, although I vaguely remember someone saying the pet acted weird, but can't find the comments to verify it.

[quaint jetty]

wait... did we solve the owl puzzle?

[little folio]

Aye

[quaint jetty]

is that a yes?

[little folio]

Yes, that's a yes

[quaint jetty]

ok. is there a pinned message on it? can you give me a run down?>

[little folio]

#1308882631626064023 The watcher one

Or the pinned comments here

[quaint jetty]

but... what was the prize?

[little folio]

Nothing yet, there's a big secret going on and we're on 9/12 progress

[quaint jetty]

yeah... but for the owls?

[little folio]

A step in the big secret

[quaint jetty]

so the owls were never actually a secret, they tied it in recently with the new secret?

the fel cycle

[little folio]

They might've been a partial secret and re-used now

[quaint jetty]

damn... 6 years... lol

all gucci though haha

[void karma]

Probably a dumb question, but for the ham.io solver, which corner of the Watcher room would be considered A1? I'm assuming the left most point?

[halcyon marsh]

just want you to know we havent given up on this secret yet 😂

[knotty scaffold]

I used the one at the entrance, but I don't think it matters

[ornate comet]

it doesn't matter as long as you're consistent

[soft hamlet]

I have a question about the statue solver addon, if anyone knows. I got to what I thought was the end but I have 2 statues that I can't map because they are not up, solution?

[little folio]

#1305679978792222830 message use this instead

[rare frigate]

you're a god send for linking this, just got my mirror ❤️

[slate venture]

this site works? i cant open

[little folio]

Aye it works

What browser do you use

[slate venture]

crhome , waterfox and brave

cant open

[little folio]

Odd

[slate venture]

which browser u use?

[little folio]

Firefox

[slate venture]

hmm

[little folio]

But can also open it in Chrome

[slate venture]

i use 5 differents browsers and nothing

works now, ive to use vpn on usa

[iron yacht]

can someone tell me what colour am i supposed to be missing? i went to all four colours multiple times waited till magnifying glasses popped and continued - for some reason red didnt trigger, got it now

[ornate comet]

I dont recall a way. The pet will have a glowing orb on its head at the end too. I went back and forth a few times because I was also missing one but didn’t remember which.

[green crest]

for red you have to wait to have full 30 stacks, then pet does laps and change color and is fully buffed

[plucky stone]

hey owl guys

does the owl give a magnifying glass at other spots when placing normally?

[iron yacht]

it gave me yes, but you need to put it in the center of the top stairs

[ivory jewel]

it always gives the magnifying glass, yeah

[plucky stone]

roger

[iron yacht]

the tiles make it kinda obvious where to place

[plucky stone]

ya

what was the point of the first bosses and cordana's spectre again? I cant remember

you fight all of their spectres? god, why cant i remember this

[timid flax]

achievement

[plucky stone]

ty

thats what it was

i knew i had seen it, it has just been SO long

[rich gorge]

I think this game is forcing us to revisit unsolved secrets, with the hint that we have to come back with the felcycle. It mentions on it's description that it will reveal secrets. Like... why did we randomly go mess around in Uther's Tomb? Was one of the super old secrets around there? The old quest(s) that many years ago were said to never be found by any player?

We also didn't get a reward out of the Watchers 7 O'Clock. We got a [Warden Mirror}] for the enigma machine. That's not a reward.

I am assuming we go back to all these secrets that went unsolved with our bike, and we will be able to reveal them. Which will then reveal their rewards.

That would make sense as to why the Felcycle secret is so hard. It isn't about the Felcycle - it's about doing "a ton of work" in exchange for a mount that will tell us more easily how to solve those unsolved secrets. And thus get ALL those old rewards. I even posted a screenshot of what the cycle says it can do, and Josh himself did the eye shake react to my theory. He also stated "the owl hoots at Midnight." We know it's a clock now. The owls will be done once we "strike midnight" on the secrets clock and get the felcycle.

Think about it this way:

Would you rather continue on with the Owl Statues and Vault in the ways that we have in the past, with still no resolution?

OR

Would you rather do the entire, fully guided felcycle secret and then take the bike to get an "easy? mode" version of the secret to solve and finally get the rewards?

I'm hoping we can get a little Owls Biker Gang together to comb through all of legion once a few of us get bikes. We can go through Tellz old document and check everything again.

[arctic ruin]

YES, THAT "OWL HOOT AT MIDNIGHT" i also thought at it cause of the 12 hour clock we are trying to solve

[midnight eagle]

Oh, wtf
"the owl hoots at Midnight."

👀 👁️ 🔎 🧐

[calm rune]

Yeah, that feels kinda right to me too

[raven shale]

That would explain the Hek stuff

Maybe Ratts solved the mysterious of Hek because she had the bike idk

So we will also be able to

Same with unused stuff like the 6 sleeping lvl 80 mammoths in a weird constellation in Ohnahran Plains

Big copium, but would be based

[arctic ruin]

yup, i think there just might be more to the owls that i thought, considering there are still 2 orb spaces left in the room, there are 2 statues in the crypts, midnight, 12 hour, hoot

the moonblade that got hidden

[placid dock]

Question I’ve got is in the secret room that opens up before the first boss, the four floating colours currently don’t represent or mean anything I noticed when helping a friend he could not see the colours in his instance where I could but he could still complete the statues and collected Mirror??

[arctic ruin]

the owl has to be out while entering the room

[placid dock]

He could see the owl in the middle of the room, but could not see the colours with orb above his head, I’ll see if we can replicate when he is next online and screen shot

[arctic ruin]

The owl pet has to be out to see the orbs when entering the room

thats what i meant

[swift pulsar]

Hey, I finished the Owl statue puzzle, but the owl seems to be bugged at the end and the chest didnt showed up. Anyone knows this issue?

[little folio]

Have you done the steps before this one?

[swift pulsar]

All the other O'clock orbs?

This was the first one I did, before starting with the other ones

[little folio]

They have to be done in order

[swift pulsar]

Ahhh bummer :()

Thanks for clarifying!

[little folio]

Cheers. I recommend following the Warcraft wiki

[swift pulsar]

As in the website or...

?

[little folio]

Yeah, unless you know of another one 😮

[plain flume]

My biggest challenge with the puzzle is remembering which statues go down or up. If you miss one, it messes up the entire puzzle.

[little folio]

Just use this https://ham.io/watcher-solver/ and you don't have to remember, just match the grid ingame and website

[plain flume]

OMG. I have been looking at that page, but I didn't realize, you put in the current state of statues after every click. That makes it so much easier. TY!

[little folio]

Pretty sure it also says that in the guiding text 😅

[plain flume]

It does, but I started with another puzzle tool that didn't do that, so I assumed they all did. Reading comprehension failed.

[little folio]

And with that, you're a true SFD member. No worries! 😂

Did you manage to solve it now?

[plain flume]

Not yet. I already messed it up. Going to restart again. 🙂

[little folio]

I had to restart a few times because I wasn't checking them well. Aligning your view ingame to match the way the statues align on the website helped me

[plain flume]

Thank you so much @little folio Started stressful, but ended fun!

[shrewd valley]

is anyone has checked golk the rumble in aszuna and tested stuff? since he is in same map not far from isle of the watchers

[rich gorge]

I only checked on him once. I keep forgetting about him to check him.

[frigid fable]

Has this statue always beening like this, sometimes it's there then It vanishes, right behind 1st boss room

[pulsar zephyr]

I've killed Cordana and taken her orb but it keeps disappearing on the elevator going back up. Any ideas?

done a reload and relog

[ivory jewel]

@pulsar zephyr leave the instance, change to normal mode, reset all instances, then clear then dungeon again

[pulsar zephyr]

😭

[ornate comet]

Yep #1305679978792222830 message

[chilly owl]

hello

does my friend need to do the dungon alone to get the sentry statue?

[little folio]

If you two are on the same step, I think you can do it together

[turbid umbra]

and grab the orb before killing her just to be sure

[south comet]

so, i messed up and left the dungeon, now when I go back it ports me to the last boss room and the door is shut... I am sure this is probably asked/answered somewhere but I have looked and can't find. Do i need to do it all over again on normal or did i just brick myself from this step?

[winged spade]

yes, you can do it on Normal

[turbid umbra]

Could the hand of elune buff from the well of eternity serve a purpose here as well? (watcher secret that is) Especially seeing as it's been in the game for such a long time without a real purpose.

[ornate comet]

Dunno. Try it out and report back.

[bitter imp]

Do you know what fixed this? I'm having the same issue... I've done it multiple times now AND seen the buff on me.. I'm confuzzled 😦

WAHHHHHHH

Even this...

Hmm the owls leading INTO the dungeon are also lit up

Blizz hates me!

[rich gorge]

@bitter imp Make sure to stay long enough that the owl spins around the statue. Let it happen a few times before you move to the next buff. It can take up to 20 seconds for the owl to do the spin and pick up the buff.

[bitter imp]

OMG that's it

I'm actually dumb dumb XD

Thankyou ❤️

[turbid umbra]

I will give it a go, but didn't have time yet, just wanted to write it down so I wouldn't forget 😄

[river maple]

I tried bringing the elune buff and wandered around for 15 minutes or so looking around with both light buffs and didn't see anything or new interactions. But that doesn't mean there aren't any. 2 sets of eyes and heads are better than 1.

[rich gorge]

@river maple I'll also try later today. Thanks for giving it a shot.

[turbid umbra]

Finally had some time myself in between xmas decorations and arguing kids 😆 But sadly I wasn't able to find anything either... went through the entire dungeon with torch, glasses, light, idol and buff.

Felt like a christmas tree with all the decoration around my char hehe

[rotund heath]

oh...shit....

[silk bramble]

any one got a screen shot where to place the statue in the vault of wardens instance?

[hoary thunder]

I always get "Something has gone wrong and no solution was found" with https://ham.io/watcher-solver/ already tried multiple times and double checked every input

[ornate comet]

It does work the only time I had problems was when I made a mistake

[winged spade]

I spent multiple hours tracking the interactions with a different solver and this one just puts you through a set algorithm until it finally hits. For a solid hour it kept telling me to choose 5 when choosing 5 would bring 4 up. In another test, it kept wrapping the same moves thus resetting the board.

The mapping of the statue interactions for this app seems to be for specific boards and not all the boards have the same mapping of the statue interactions. This was tested as well and on 3 different boards clicking 18 mapped to different owls. The website one where you input the mapping is best one since it requires you to tell the site how the owls on your board are mapped.

[golden bluff]

I looked at the master guide document and my owls in the puzzle do not spawn the same as the guide. I get each corner, then an X in the middle. Am I missing something?

[late adder]

did you find a solution? I'm having the same issue with the website.. done the puzzle 6 times now

[young rose]

its mad i could get this owl empowered before id even started guest relations. and it feels mad to be going back now 🤣

lol this is way more complicate than the normal one, its like random ones are connected gon just build a state diagram i think - this is fun its nice theres something you can got on and solve solo especially after trawling through hidden pet guides and toys 🤣

[hoary thunder]

Yes, was bugged for me. First got the same pattern as @golden bluff in the post before you. I left the dungeon, reset, logout and tried again. Get the owl statue and placed. Now the pattern was a different and the site worked

[versed cargo]

wait so the corners + middle cross pattern doesnt work at all in the solvers?

I've done it like 10 times now about half on each website and both give an error.

[versed cargo]

ok I solved it @golden bluff @hoary thunder

1 2 3 4 5 7 9 23 in this order will leave just the middle statue, click it to win

[late adder]

thanks a lot! fixed it for me too

[paper sandal]

went through the Felcycle items and found about Frost Sentry? somehow must be connected?

and could be timegated as well and not related to Felcycle anymore?

cause Siren Isle should be 11.0.7. patch right?

so what are these?

red, purple, green, and blue also seemed similar secret as Lucid Nightmare

updated a bit

[paper sandal]

7.0.3. Sentry expansion Legion but move Unknown to Location

[tulip garnet]

For the statues do i need to have my pet summoned at all times? I noticed sometimes my pet just disappears and i'm not sure if i need to take all 4 again (i only need the purple one so far)

[paper sandal]

yes

[sharp lantern]

Check out the Ash'Golm fight with 3 Large frost looking Owls looking inward to the middle and you can click 1 of 3 frost Owls looking inward called countermeasures npc=99240, when clicked they face the outter Owls and channel something. The boss freezes and you can fall off and NOT trigger the boss to reset. Maybe something is here given the chance to redo the fight so quickly and perhaps is the identity of the frost century in the spreadsheet. Another to consider is that there are 3 other npc that may be for the demon hunter quest and this can all be a bunch of bs...

[little folio]

They channel the fight mechanic that freezes the boss, that's supposed to happen 😛

[near canopy]

Is it possible to be grouped up with someone to do the statues inside the dungeon? I get easily overwhelmed by it, and the addon makes things worse.

[little folio]

Yeah

You can do it together with someone

[dull harness]

is there an exact order which colour first?

[river maple]

Not as far as I'm aware. I've done it 3 times and each time just brute forced flew around doing them at random.

[winged spade]

possibly since many players have to keep getting the buffs and end up getting some of them multiple times. If you go into the dung on N and kill the first boss you can then go into the room that opens up you can see which color you are missing.

[coral dagger]

How do I know my owl has a buff? does he have to have all three at the same time?

Is there a false true macro to see if I have it done?

Wowhead says: You can use the 4 owl statues just before the entrance to Vault of the Wardens to track your buff status. You will see an owl with a glowing color in the center of it corresponding to each buff you have gotten so far.

But all of them glow blue/green

[stoic agate]

Does your owl have the little moonlight effect over its head?

[coral dagger]

No

I dont know how to get it

[stoic agate]

You must needs interact with the owl statues found around the island, certain statues will give one of 4 colors of buff

[coral dagger]

I just activate radom owls and sometime I get the glass

[stoic agate]

keep track of which colors you've gotten, you need all 4 colors

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Keys_to_Incognitro,_the_Indecipherable_Felcycle#7_o'clock:_Watchers

[coral dagger]

According to me I've got all 4 already

[stoic agate]

does your owl have the white effect over its head?

[coral dagger]

I already said no

[stoic agate]

then you're missing a color lol

[coral dagger]

Do I have to use the relic before that?

Again already had all Im keeping track

[stoic agate]

No, you just go up to an active statue, get the buff, wait a bit for your owl to do a little circle animation and the magnifying glass to pop up

[coral dagger]

Ive been on this for an hour

[stoic agate]

Can always try dismissing your pet and relogging

[coral dagger]

I tried using the stais buff and the three times it shows a magnifying glass

[stoic agate]

So that one should be done

[turbid shadow]

is it just completely random when/if a statue will activate? no way to force it?

[river maple]

The msot commonly overlooked one is getting full stacks of the red one

The bird will do multiple loops and youll get multiple magnifying glasses

But you need to wait for full stacks and for it to change color.

Just noticed how long ago that was, nvm me.

[arctic ruin]

So... who is going to write a write up and ask whats with the owls and the moonblade that got removed the day after in #thanks-josh ? :D

The moonblade is still one hell of a mystery, why was it removed

[ornate comet]

Dunno, just ask him nicely 🙂

[young rose]

Ohh yeah i blinked and missed that was at lhc at the time - maybe it was left on from a re design of the step? Odd

[arctic ruin]

#thanks-josh message

[young rose]

Anyone sussed by this?

[arctic ruin]

give dome context :D

some*

[vale lily]

im confused of what you did to get this ? just drove by the statue ?

[young rose]

Ahh nah had pet out and stood in buff til spin, the mag glass never stopped showing if you do that after empowl at any point basically, is not new but thought id check after achievement - lil owl mc hoots is hidden in the bike

[winged spade]

Do you happen to have the Fledgling Warden Owl pet out?

[young rose]

Yeah its inside the bike at the front lol sorry should have been clearer- i always got sussed that it didnt stop showing that mag glass

[winged spade]

I should have read down a bit more before commenting. 😝

[young rose]

🤣

[arctic ruin]

okay

josh didnt respond to the removed moonblade

[young rose]

Odd tbh, it did show during a bug but that could mean it’s not a thing that should ever happen, or it is a thing that should sometime happen that accidentally happened early? Is a dangerous thought given the curiosity trap of these things lol

[winged spade]

Josh has spoken, we have an answer.

Cliffnotes:
1 - Owl hoots at Midnight means nothing
2 - Don't trust me
3 - I won't torment you with so many red herrings again.

[arctic ruin]

so yeah

not sure

[winged spade]

what part of this is not understandable?

[arctic ruin]

i was reffering to the moonblade

the message in the screenshot was for the hoot at midnight

[vale lily]

what is this moonblade you lot talking about ? 🙂

[rich gorge]

@vale lily There were two warden warglaives that were visible in the vault for a bit. I even found the one behind a door myself when it was being talked about.

They disappeared, and were not used for Orb 7. So we never found out what they were for.

[vale lily]

sus

[winged spade]

what's even more sus is a comment from Josh when someone mentioned the idol still lit up for the owl statues in the dung after the last hotfix for Orb 9. He said something like I guess I missed that, opps.

[young rose]

Yeah the owl hoots at midnight thing felt like probs a joke at the time tbh! But also lot of ynever know - that moonglaive feels weird maybe a cut thing that got revealed by the same bug that made idol/puzzle active early or maybe some real thing we could glimpse through same bug

[river maple]

You know. Cause I'm super curious what, if anything, will be included about the watcher secret in Josh's coming post I was just looking at the doc again, specifically the cell doors.
They aren't on floor 3, they are on floor -3 we go down to get there not up. Is it possible the cell numbers are meant to be read/interpreted backwards?

[winged spade]

@violet lance
#secret-finding message

I took a look at this and not sure how you got 12 when your second column totals to 15. However, I did consider your perspective and am perplexed why you left the 2 additional x's on their respective lines. If you move them in line with the other x's you have a series of all negative integers from -0 to -5 with two -5's on the left side of the x's. Seje noticed that all the codes in the journal are that series. That would put 3-5x1 as the key.

[violet lance]

spent two minutes on it homie

[violet lance]

@winged spade how did you guys come up with this below?

Cell Contents Possibilities
3-0x68-1x0 - Throne of the Tides - Commander Ulthok
3-2x024 - Siege of Orgrimmar - Norushen/Sha of Pride
3-3x468 - Blood Furnace - Keli'dan the Breaker (note - 2nd boss is also a model of Glazer)
3-4x8-5x02 - Mogushun Palace - Xin the Weaponmaster

[winged spade]

Carefully looking at the npc's and knowing what dungeons they came from and listing bosses associated with the npc's in their respective dungeons. We are not positive about Throne of Tides, but that is the best guess we have.

For 3-0x68-1x0, they only show up in the VotW, and the Juggernaught has a misspelling, in the dung the npc is Juggernaut, Throne of Tides is the only dung we could find similar npc's, not perfect matches, but similar.

For 3-2x024, Lingering Corruption is found in Siege of Orgrimmar.

For 3-3x468 Blood Furnace is the only other dungeon that has those npc's that come out of 3-3x468 show up in,

For 3-4x8-5x02, The Quillen and Mogu'shan Secret Keepers are in Mogu'shan Vaults in spectral form for the Secret Keepers.

[violet lance]

understood, thank you

[winged spade]

oh, the Secret Keepers also have an error, in the game they have a hyphen, so they are Mogu'shan Secret-keepers, the journal does not have the hyphen.

[violet lance]

here's a stitched map with the statue locations. haven't seen one like this around so it may help

[winged spade]

@violet lance #secret-finding message

yes, and there are more of the owl statues scattered around the island, but they are broken and missing the glaives. I can't remember where they are located, but there is one at the raid signs leading up to J'im.

The model used for the placeable owl for the puzzle is also at the other flightpath where Shalis Darkhunter is holding a bow instead of a warden glaive. She is sus, iirc, that bow is not in the game with that skin, it's a recolor of Golden Bow of Quel'thalas and the wowhead picture of her at that spot in Azsuna does not have her holding a bow. She is still carrying the bow in BfA Tides of Vengeance.

I want that bow for my hunter

[violet lance]

that's a beautiful bow

this is the main reason to figure this out if its even possible anymore. to stick it to the man

[winged spade]

the dung is full of stuff he and Celestalon worked on, the whole secret felt like an homage to Legion secrets,

[violet lance]

then there are these guys that are at the start of VoW[mythic]

[winged spade]

yeah, you can see them through the portal and they are intact, zone in and they have been destroyed.

[violet lance]

my thing is why they are pitch black

just an oddity

[winged spade]

Another thing is there are 8 warden towers in the Broken Isles, but the 2 on Isle of Watchers are not used for pvp and we do not know what wardens they are named after. Suramar does not have any warden towers, but that makes sense since they shielded the city off after the Great Sundering and Maiev didn't build the VotW until after the formation of the Watchers which happened years after the Great Sundering. The Wardens are the elite marshals/jailers of the Watchers.

She created them after Tyrande created the Sentinels from the Sisterhood of Elune and because she didn't trust Malfurion and Tyrande to properly imprison Illidan. So she also built him a prison.

[violet lance]

This was his prison?

figured out how to get the lock to pop up. now to figure out how to make it interactable w/o the alchemy quest

[winged spade]

she built it to contain him and other's that needed that level of containment.

[winged spade]

without skaggl drink?

[violet lance]

awesome lore

[violet lance]

yep

[winged spade]

my head canon is that she learned how to contain demons from Prince Tortheldrin who contained Immol'thar shortly after the Great Sundering.

or she taught him how to do it

[violet lance]

The Wardens are a Night Elven order initially formed from the Watchers who were appointed to keep watch over Illidan Stormrage's prison. after he created a second Well of Eternity following the Great Sundering, when the world split apart following the destruction of the first well at the climax of the War of the Ancients 10,000 years ago. Maiev Shadowsong was appointed as the first Warden, and would later raise other elite Watchers to the same rank. They served as the elite warriors and bounty hunters, as well as jailers.

It's not completely clear when the Vault was crafted. Ilyssana Ravencrest's Dungeon Journal entry claims that she was imprisoned after the War of the Ancients, and wasn't freed until the events of Legion, but this is contradicted by her appearance on Mardum. It also bizarrely is not the same facility where Illidan was initially housed, despite his imprisonment being the entire purpose of the Warden's existence. Following Illidan's imprisonment, they created a second vault to house other dangerous prisoners, describing it as a maximum security vault. For reasons unknown, Illidan was not initially given the same treatment, placed rather in the low-security barrows. It's also not clear how this fits in with the previously presumed lost Broken Isles. Legion fudged quite a lot of lore, going by rule of cool for a lot of it.

All indications are however that it was indeed the Wardens who crafted the Vault. Remember, Night Elven technology and architecture at the time looked a lot more like Suramar than Teldrassil.

some old goodies

seems his corpse was locked up in votw

none of this is linear

[winged spade]

no, but that's what happens when you add back lore to stuff

you really need to be a lore nerd to get it right

[violet lance]

i feel you

[violet lance]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191393/potion-of-the-hushed-zephyr

keep a bunch of this with you, things pop up with it that arent normally visible

[winged spade]

ah

[violet lance]

Did you ever get locked out from using any of the Owl Statues?

or anyone else in here for that matter

[winged spade]

@storm mason I can't remember, did we ever lock up the owls where none of them would give buffs?

@outer blade @rich gorge did either of you? ^^

[outer blade]

i did not

[storm mason]

Never ever did that happen

[rich gorge]

There were days where the owls reset before server reset. But that may be due to me being put in a different shard. I don't think the owls were ever stuck where they didn't give buffs. Was always 3 that gave buffs, if all were clicked.

[winged spade]

that's what I thought, I don't remember ever locking them up, but wasn't sure if any of ya'll did

[violet lance]

are the ones i was able to get locked. when I hit the red mark on the map, two statues were released. I had the ward owl pet out, goggles on and torch out and a sentry owl statue in my bags. Each statue I was able to successfully initiate, I remained at for its entire active duration.

I do not know if it is related to me making an orb in VotW vanish and no longer respawn. after that happened, down ramp orb began exhibiting odd behavior removing the buff when stepping away getting close to the ledges

just odd all around

[winged spade]

Each statue has 2 different states that they can be in. In simplest terms those states are
Dormant - Not clickable (Only state that does not have a cogwheel)
Awake - Clickable (Has cogwheel)

The Awake state has 2 outputs.
Active - Grants Aura/buff when clicked
Resting - Gives the error 'You can't do that yet.'

When the island is first approached after a reset there will only be 3 owls that are Awake. Clicking one of them makes it Active and causes another owl to be able to be Active. After an owl grants an Aura and that Aura has expired it will enter a state of Resting. Resting has a cd and it appears that the cd may be tied to what Aura it had granted. Once an owl is Awake it does not go Dormant again until the owls reset.

Resets use to be tied to the weekly reset but it appears that they have recently changed that to occur multiple times in the same day based on some research that occurred after the the anniversary patch launch.

So when you mean locked, was the owl giving the Resting error or was it Dormant and not clickable? If it was Dormant then your island probably reset. We've never seen where every owl was in the Resting or Dormant state.

[violet lance]

These were in the Dormant state. Incredible how well you can put your thoughts into writing. Thank you for explaining that to me.

[winged spade]

Wow, the Brood of Senagos from the Mage Tower can get the buffs and does the circling too.

[violet lance]

o?

[winged spade]

We knew pets got the buff, and that they flew weird back when we were researching the island, but I killed a fel spreader while standing in the buff and it spawned in the Brood of Senagos. They got the buff and flew in circles too.

[violet lance]

curious

[river maple]

Imagine that bow mog has been in the game since legion and we just havent unlocked it.

[winged spade]

I don't know if it is, I have not heard anything mentioned about it being datamined. I've read where the Falanaar Echo is suspect and was datamined.

[river maple]

That bejeweled game that ended up not being relevant. Was that in the room with the watcher books?

Where we turned into a ghost, perhaps a ghost from falanaar?

[winged spade]

The bejeweled game would be a reference to the bejeweled game that was part of Lucid Nightmare, which also had books in that room.

[coarse kraken]

do we know if there is any significance to these statues outside of the incognitro secret?

[timid flax]

I asked Josh if they were revamped to fit the new secret and if there even was an old secret to begin with. He said he MIGHT answer this in his post mortem post.

[coarse kraken]

Hmm ok

[river maple]

That he can't just say what the answer is I think is telling in its own way. If the answer was just a simple "This was cleaned up for the felcycle" that really isn't something you would need to obfuscate. I think that once he puts out his statement there might be a renewed... interest in this secret.
But perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

And there are still unanswered questions. What was the original advanced puzzle spawn condition, what was it for? What were the moonglaives that spawned on the lower level that seemingly had no purpose?

[winged spade]

Did those moonglaives spawn when the mini-game showed up with the chest or when the little owl statue that can summon the mini-game bug happened on US servers?

For reference, the mini-game that showed up with the chest happened the same day the hatch was found.

and before we had the jewel to make the key to enter Ratts Lair.

[river maple]

Not totally sure. I know they obviously weren't there before, as they aren't noted anywhere, and they go away when you complete the vault step of the cycle puzzle. Well, rather, at some point after completing the vault step.

[winged spade]

wait? so they show up in the dung every time?

[river maple]

iirc, they were noted when the statue went live by mistake.

[river maple]

As far as I know, yes. They were there every time I looked for them before I completed that step of the cycle puzzle. And I didn't go back until after finishing the cycle.

After they made their first appearance obviously.

But I don't think they appear anymore. It's just a bit unclear what they were for or what they represented.

And if they were revealed/unlocked by mistake and have nothing to do with the cycle... then that kind of means there's more there. imo

[winged spade]

maybe, maybe not, that dung is weird. there are things in there that only appear during a quest phase. One where you talk to Drealim either before or after engaging Tirathon and Drealim is injured.

[stoic agate]

What are we looking at here king

[young rose]

Are you us out of curiosity? I looked on eu but couldn’t see it but only checked during the us bug, didn’t think to look again before solving, they must be there for something…

[river maple]

Yea, im US.

It could have just been a hint to look at watchers since those are their weapons of choice. It's hard to know what was meant to be a hint because we had such extensive work already done by some dedicated folks.

[river stump]

Hello, I made this little presentation, because I was curious that there were fountains around the inactive owl statue and I followed the direction they were pointing. I don't know if you already know about this or if I'm at a dead end, but I send it in to see if I found something new...

[arctic ruin]

NO WAY

[worn haven]

The long awaited answer is now only a matter of time

[sage gazelle]

Hi! Please, i need help with Altars. Only 2 left - Blood and Sin
I need a blood toy and a backpiece sinstone!
Anyone?

[modest night]

having issues since before xmas and newyears ive come back to continue the felcycle mount and i still have the bug it seems my owl is not gaining the green buff and after the first time it no longer gains the purple buff it also happend to a friend of myne when his pet owl is the same any assistance would be appreciated

[winged spade]

this is the channel for felcycle progress assistance
https://discord.com/channels/223122687227199489/1304606593907822602

[young rose]

did anyone on eu ever see the moonglaive?

Its just when it first showed was during a US bug when the felcycle owl puzzle got activated early for US servers, but I never saw it EU and havent seen much mention of it outside of during that period/last few messages post. it didnt come up anywhere for ratts revenge/felcycle so it feels it could be something there that got revealed through whatever bug the US puzzle got revealed early but shouldnt have - but why is it there? I dont think I ever saw it on EU which didnt have the reveal puzzle bug either. It feels like maybe there could have been a bug which just revealed any locked objects maybe because of other fixes idk maybe some other reason it showed with the puzzle. But maybe its a step in something else? Obvs maybe added for a thing that got removed prelegionrelease, maybe redherring, but wtf?? its a "new" datum in this sus sus place that never ended anywhere? I cant get out of my head that theres so much oddness in the dung (etc). Weren't they mini glaives or something? like pet size? Is it possible through datamining to get release version or is that assumed through current tools by find date?

[young rose]

like if its a mistake, for what? and if not its the most egregious thing of the whole thing like is it just there for moonglaive flavour during a specific moment? which moment? whats that there for

[rich gorge]

My bets on it being related to the two statues in nthe crypt that we can't unlock yet. Since the glaives were unused, and the statues are locked still, I'd assume they're related.

Just a guess due to elimination and nothing else, though.

[fossil shuttle]

@young rose im waiting to see what Josh says in regards to the owl puzzle itself and if it was scrapped old or reused secret. We know the owl pet reacted to the statues prior to the felcycle secret and was able to retain the statues buffs, but so did other pets so it was assumed at the time to just be a bug or unintentional and not looked into more at the time. We know the glazer lights out puzzle also spawned on a cycle prior to the felcycle secret.

What i think we saw in the us was the original glazer puzzle spawning on that cycle which was unintentional and triggered the glaves to show up. What we don't know is if this was an unintentional bug for scrapped felcycle content, if this unintentionally showed up because it was related to the original watchers secret (if there was one) or if this was something that would be used for later. I think we will get more clarity once we find out more from Josh and/or the next part comes out

[raw wind]

I’ve tried to find something but. Can’t seem to. Any tried to swim near the statues? Checking under the water with buffs on? Or even mapping to triangulate a location?

Need some googling on snow owls and oceans. They tend to live near the coasts and such. I could even be thinking to deep on it

[young rose]

Yeah makes sense! looking forward to the post mortem, hope the glaive/bug gets a mention but might prod josh if its not included

[drowsy furnace]

well there we have it! They say that a magician never reveals their secrets, but I am no magician. Candidly, prior to Ratts’ Revenge there was no secret on the Isle of the Watchers. But with the amount of effort that the community put into solving it, I needed to add something here. This was one mystery that needed a resolution. Yes, the statues’ buffs are strange, the way they activate in a seemingly esoteric order. Yes, there was no shipped usage of Cell Door 3-5x1. Yes, the puzzle in Glazer’s room seems like it should be something more than a simple dungeon world quest. But these were a confluence of oddities, nothing more. The development process often leaves vestiges and strange behaviors.

[arctic ruin]

HOOOOT

[turbid umbra]

A bit of a shame I suppose, but good to finally get an answer, no?

[drowsy furnace]

oh it definitely feels good to finally know after all this time

[arctic ruin]

#thanks-josh message

Damn, even the moonglaive was something Josh didn't know

so what was going on with that one 🤔

[worn haven]

Probably the same case as the cell door and buffs, leftover bits of unfinished content

[timid flax]

I can finally die in peace

[storm mason]

A journey doesnt need a prize 😉 ❤️

[unkempt gull]

If you don't mind me playing devil's advocate, I wonder if knowing the 'truth' actually robs the player of the true prize: the journey. The endless speculation, the shared theories, the collaborative exploration – isn't that a significant part of the fun? To definitively say 'this is a bug,' or 'that was just a visual flourish,' takes away the freedom to imagine, to wonder, and to participate in a collective mystery.

So let us be Don Quixote, as he and Sancho Panza traversed the plains of La Mancha, and thus, let us embark on an adventure together.

[storm mason]

I completely agree.
For many of us on this particular ‘secret’, we had that for years and it was an amazingly fun journey to share.
Any journey has its limits, and this one with the owls, reached a point where the truth was what we needed. We had searched it all, tried an endless amount of things, picked each other’s brains, got creative.
To me it felt like an open Pandora’s box (a fun one though), but we/I needed to either close it or walk away from it. It wasn’t a negative feeling, more like a feeling of being done.

Any statement to either keep going or close it have been strongly need at this point.

But the journey was amazing!

[ivory jewel]

After reading the Blizzard post about the Ratt secret, I would really like to know why Muffinus implied there was a secret on the Isle of the Watchers if there never was one there, or what he was referring to if it wasnt a possible secret -.-

[solemn fractal]

This is a good point

WTF was he talking about then?

That means there is still an unfinished legion secret?

[worn haven]

When did he imply there was one on the isle specifically? I've seen many people misinterpret his one "sighs at the ocean" tweet regarding undiscovered legion content as an owl clue but a couple days after that post the secret gnomeregan mega boss was discovered

[kind lion]

So this secret can be closed right?

and marked as solved