Owl of the Watchers

[heady girder]

yeah after completing dungeon with the owl pet take a light to the room across from entrance and there is a small warden statue that kinda looks like ur pet but thats where the trail goes cold

we havent been able to make the rare eye puzzle one pop up

or atleast i havent

[maiden beacon]

Oh wait the owl statue doesn’t always spawn after killing glazer?

[wanton jungle]

Oh, are we talking about the owl statue that disappears after killing the imp mother in the dungeon?

It flasehd with electricity, then despawned, and respawned.

I have my fledgling owl out with its little orb after doing the statues on the island.

[ivory jewel]

it appears, but sometimes there is a special puzzle after killing the eye boss. this special puzzle only triggers very rarely, its all in the google doc. but now there is a new owl with the same four colours from the statues outside the dungeon around it.

[wanton jungle]

And we've noted that when you throw down the light of Elune, the owl in the colorful orb room disapears?

[ivory jewel]

well its still there, you just cant see it because you do not have light of elune in your posession

[wanton jungle]

Ah true, true. Brain no work.

[ivory jewel]

its like that ghost warden that is part of the achievement. its always there, but we need light of elune to do the achievement

[wanton jungle]

And I see people in chat history trying out the Syxehnz rod, too. I will move on! lol

Oh, but have we noted that the owls outside the dungeon entrance glow the same as the orbs we activated?

Or is that just an indicator we did the thing, just like the pet?

[ivory jewel]

@wanton jungle they didnt before the anniversary patch, but they did glow before we found the karacombs and took the battle pet to the isle outside the instance

maybe an indication for us to check inside the instance - letting us know something changed that only people in the know would notice

[sick island]

Morning good people, goodluck today! hands out coffee and tea

[quaint jetty]

is this not the warning signs on the isle of the watchers? 1 tank 3 healers and 8 dps?

[sick island]

Oh could be! Does everyone have 1 in there that seems more red than the other pillars?

[quaint jetty]

im just saying the amount of "people" needed for those warning signs are perfect for the amount of pillars. Maybe if we bring all of our empowls to those as a raid....

it is a seperate instance... maybe a raid instance... didnt the hivemind require a 5 man?

[sick island]

i did seem to notice one of the pillars color was different than the others. I check in a mo, currently dead with Tobias in Catacombs but he keeps despawning now 😦

[quaint jetty]

im hoping on now, i have to get the detective BS before i can get down there and also look around

[ivory jewel]

where do I find these warning signs representing tanks, healers and dps?

where on the island I mean

[quaint jetty]

leave the warden encampment, head west and up the hill to the cave. on the isle of the watchers

if anyone wants to hop in VC im about to, ill answer any questions or give any advice

would also be good to bounce theroies off each other haha

[sick island]

People still sleeping in my house so i can't voice yet, but maybe later 🙂

[clear axle]

im assuming people used the syxsehnz rod in the room with rotating lights?

[quaint jetty]

i would hope so, i dont have the toy but i wanted to use it in the entire dung

[sick island]

aww man, thought they would do something but no.. missing 1 color

[calm rune]

You can't

[sick island]

Have there always been wandering spirits in the library in BRH?

They fade in and out

[low stone]

Was there something about a unopenable chest in Vault of the wardens?

[sick island]

That's weird, i am not allowed Dreamwalk on my druid while in the catacombs

[astral fractal]

Just checked after hotfix - no changes so far to Vault

[ivory jewel]

@low stone it spawns after you solve the puzzle after defeating the eye boss

[zenith briar]

Ugh, I hate this, this may actually make me bow out 😦Holy scooby snacks, I did it!

[tardy pond]

What? Did what? 👀

[ivory jewel]

did they change the warden owls on the island? I thought only 4 were active at once, and you couldnt click the rest? now I can click all of them(they still have a cooldown after giving the buff).

[broken citrus]

chad. 'i did it' - refuses to elaborate. leaves lol, nah that's awesome

[bronze tusk]

No matter how many times I go across the statues, I never get more than three orbs on the 7 O' Clock pillar

I've interacted with red, blue, purple, and green

[mental creek]

Is your owl empowered? Have you tried clicking on the statue in VOTW?

[bronze tusk]

There's one in the instance? No, I haven't

What I read said "four of them are active, click them with pet out til you see a magnifying glass"

So I did that

Is it a problem if my owl despawns between statues?

[mental creek]

No, as long as you resummon it and it does it's little animation. Does your owl have the light obove it's head?

[bronze tusk]

No, it does not. Though I think I saw it with that light at one point?

Do I need to do anything besides click the statue?

[mental creek]

Then you must be missing one of the colors, you might have to go through multiple before getting one of each color. Maybe so them again, make sure to keep an eye out for the animation and magnifying glass and write down which colors/buff you definitely got to make sure? I know red can take a minute too

You HAVE to wait for the bird to decide to interact

[tulip plaza]

i got it to work, had to just keep flying between them clicking each a bunch of times.

[mental creek]

I used the extra action buttons on my bird while it was next to the statue just to make sure it had been hit by the mechanic haha

[bronze tusk]

Now he has a smoky orb above his head. Should be good now?

[mental creek]

Yes! We have no idea what to actually do after that step so you're all caught up 😂

Judging by the other pedestals getting a big orb I don't think we're done here

Even just for the bike

[young rose]

Is there stuff from there you can use here? Was it ever doable before timegate

Magnifying glass still being shown on spinning owls outside is just feeling really sus. Combo lock was a thought not many others tried last week, maybe its a sequence of spins, or order of colours, or something to finish that off and no longer see glass. Something as in “4 owlpet spins in purple, 3 in blue, 2 green, 1 red thing, before trying statue”. You can stand in the owls buff mist and have pet spin several times when active before leaving, getting eyeglass notification each time. if you ever see hints to colour seqs and nums ? But but i dont have it in me to drop in to this now its all that fetch quest stuff to catch up on 🤣

After empowering it with orb the mechanic doesnt stop there necessarily; the magnifying glass still shows if you collect more of the four colours outside, and the pet still spins.

[clear hazel]

hi guys, anything yet?

[young rose]

Is anyone looking?

[golden fractal]

The owl pet loses it's empowerment if you log out?

[young rose]

No its flagged to char once you have it spin in 4 colours

[golden fractal]

I had it the other day, gone now

[young rose]

Oh cool

We didnt see that at all last week

[golden fractal]

I went into VoTW, done the orb and found the new room with the colours, but today, nothing

[young rose]

Did you see the hidden statue? In votw by the colours? Are you sure it had the empowerment visible above its head?

[golden fractal]

Yes and yes, seen the orb on my pet, seen the room with the colours, seen the statue that does nothing

[young rose]

Oh cool that hasnt happened in this chat before at least

Same character?

[golden fractal]

Yeh

[young rose]

Do you have the orbs in felcycle brazier?

Its unsolved so maybe there is a way to reset and do another way idk

[golden fractal]

Yeh no orbs near the cycle

[young rose]

Weird

[broken citrus]

where is the room with the colours

[young rose]

I havent logged in sine eu reset but us guys still had empowerment

[golden fractal]

Same character too, might have to empower the owl again

[young rose]

It opens when you kill first boss, in the room behind him on your left as you enter that first boss room. It has floating colours with pet owl out. If you go in again with an empowered owl and elune orb from the dungeon basement after killing the last boss, theres a hidden statue that appears there that we havent been able to figure out; werent sure it was anything felcycle related til yesterday but it seems figuring this out is needed there

[broken citrus]

gotcha i see it now

[winged spade]

are you summoning it on the same character that you used to empower it?

[young rose]

I think “the hunt” was a clue tbh

The quest thats flagged, josh mentioned leveraging tools he knows people use

And he said hed reveal when the hunt is solved. Thats the name of the quest thats flagged when we empowl

Or hes leveraging it to fuck with us

[golden fractal]

Yeh, I use this one character for all secrets

[winged spade]

ok, logging in to check mine

[young rose]

Wish id taken today off 🤣🤣

[winged spade]

mine still has the orb

[golden fractal]

Yeh I don't know what's going on with my owl

I'll just wait until we solve that one, the owls have always confused me

[winged spade]

check your felcycle and see if the orbs are still there. each orb on that pedestal is tied to the 4 buffs.

[young rose]

Anyone got more than 4 there yet?

[winged spade]

well, hopefully Raven has and they've done something to progress

[young rose]

Ahh he confirmed theyre gone before

[broken citrus]

the other secrets in the felcycle room seem unrelated to the owls

[winged spade]

yes, but we are only looking at the one that does atm

[young rose]

Yeah, but theres probably something to get a big orb on that pedestal. Hoping josh will at least confirm whether magnifying glass should stop showing if you repeat a step thats done with

[past leaf]

Hey! How many spheres in the room with the bike have been solved so far?

[winged spade]

check the pins in the felcycle channel

[past leaf]

There’s less described than what’s visible in the screenshots people are posting

[young rose]

Yeah its so manic there, 35k people in members lol. Ive seen two full orbs, the 4 for owl, and a couple others but not sure the total

[broken citrus]

2 big full orbs and 13 little orbs. 2 on 1 pedestal from clicking the red button, 4 from the owls, 7 from inputting codes

[winged spade]

yes, but that is the channel to discuss that, this in only about the island and the owls

[young rose]

Do you have any running theories at all? I cant stop thinking its a combo lock with the owls outside and cant shake the tunnel vision

[winged spade]

on the owls? not that are giving progress

[young rose]

Yeah i cant get over the magnifying glass still showing this morning

[wanton yarrow]

Anything new inside votw?

[winged spade]

I think we might end up having to do a pattern

[young rose]

Yeah that would make sense - theres definitely a pattern to the buffs that appear. i wanted to map out tonight but need to start felcycle, it feels like the stuff down there is so juicy this owl might be the last thing people run to 🤣

[young rose]

Also this might be delusional but do you remember yesterday i mentioned seeing some text to the effect of “dont worry old secrets are still there”? i couldnt track down where i read it and thought it was a blue post somewhere; but i realised i think i read it from an anniversary NPC in game. Going to look for the text tonight.. Im a bit scared of becoming obsessed once this new thing is over. Do you still think there was a puzzle here in 7.0?

[winged spade]

That was in reference to they are not going to remove secrets, they will still be there since some were concerned the felcycle would only be available during the anniversary event.

[dense wolf]

So I'm reading the docs, the 1st has 70 or more page but at the start it dosent' explain what to do or what it the objective or I'm blind

it expains the buff location and more, but not what to get, in which order, in how many time :S

[young rose]

Soo the first pin says everything new that’s been found out about felcycle, its unsolved atm because only 4 orbs appear there. Just need to run around activating owls until you get one that does a buff field. Stand near it til your fledgling owl spins and does the eyeglass thing. Keep going until its done its spin and glass near four different coloured buff owls. The doc has a lot of great research over the years since legion into the island and vault and owls cus theyre sussy af and could be useful for the rest of the solution

[dense wolf]

this is more clear than the 70 pages

[young rose]

Yeah the 70 page doc is research into the area since legion, its got some great sections that could be useful for felcycle but theres no guide or walkthrough to current puzzle its unsolved

[fossil shuttle]

@dense wolf that 70 page doc is 5 years of information regarding the owl puzzle. The wardens and owl secret is not solved

But empowering the owl is a step required for it

[dense wolf]

yeah, maybe add it on the top that is not a proper guide solving guide (atm) 😄 I read 20 pages and I was , wtf is ongoin on here, hehe

[young rose]

Isnt it at the top where it says if youre coming here for felcycle in bold caps?

[fossil shuttle]

@dense wolf guide for it is on the fel mount channel

[past leaf]

But the owls are now connected to the bike. There are books and statues in Karazhan. So, I don’t see anything wrong with discussing it here.

[young rose]

Have the books been opened at all?

[arctic ruin]

iirc, they are not interactable

only hoverable

[past leaf]

First, you need to unlock the room where they’re located

I think there’s more than one puzzle connected to it

[young rose]

Oh sick just saw screenshots, looks like vol 18 is missing it goes 1-9, 10-17. 19-26. Does it look like the unlock is down there to you?

[arctic ruin]

ah, then im not up to date probs

i was only seen them being hoverable

[fossil shuttle]

Owl puzzle is not solved yet, it looks like because there is no orb over it pylon and from the looks of other things, or looks like that chest will contain a key.

When we bring the orb up or touch an orb in cordonas room we get no magnifying glass over our heads, which seems like it's the trigger for advancement in the catacombs. We're missing the middle step.

What was the all seeing eye pet used for anyone know?

[winged spade]

true, but it's better discussing anything felcycle related in the felcycle since those in the felcycle thread would have more information. this channel is for solving the puzzle in the vault

and atm the only connection the owls have to the felcycle is that the felcycle needs us to empower the owl

[young rose]

Try everything you can think of imo, dunno if that eyes been tried

[fossil shuttle]

The eye looks like it's connected to another step for another pylon, but chat is moving to fast to figure it out rn

[young rose]

Unless i get confirmation from josh im just going to try working out a combination for the owls outside tbh. Its still active because you get the eyeglass still even with empowered owl. Unless thats an oversight its the only interaction we have with feedback

[fossil shuttle]

We know there is more inside because of the cordonas orb trigger

[young rose]

Yeah

[raven shale]

the owl orbs are incomplete right

based on the other pedestals which either have much more small orbs or a big one

[young rose]

No feedback on the hidden statue though but good for everyone to scan the dungeon a couple times, theres loads to find

[young rose]

Yeah

[fossil shuttle]

I wish I knew if he created this or if this was unsolved because it makes a huge difference. If he used our doc to make this secret then the only big thing missing rn is the cell door interaction and the statue that's unused in the spider cave

If this was unsolved and created by muffinuis there is no telling what to do🤣

[young rose]

We do know that the colours at entrance and in that room, along with hidden statue are new,

I think thats what he did tbh 🤣 used your research to make a puzzle. been trying to link the finds together across the dungeon to find colour code for the owls outside, if he did go off what was found then potentially the solve would use the collected knowledge but use in a different direction to the theories maybe?

[fossil shuttle]

Then opening that cell door matters. They added another door ontop of the original door that was there

[young rose]

Oh is that new! I noticed theres a double layer thing trying to force my way in 🤣

[fossil shuttle]

Newish over the years. You used to be able to get behind it and get trapped inside but you can't anymore

We all did the last time we were testing a year ago

[young rose]

Ahh i see

Tbh i think im the only one who thinks it but i cant shake those cells just being a key to use elsewhere, i dont think the cell will open

[fossil shuttle]

You could also use toys to peek behind it and you can't any more

[young rose]

I clipped my camera through its empty, have a ss somewhere

[fossil shuttle]

Nice it tried last week and couldn't get it

[young rose]

I cat formed up a little thing at the front and was half way through the front door

[vagrant ember]

i assume you've run the dungeon with the goggles?

[fossil shuttle]

Our biggest theory was it related to the other cell doors and the dungeons/ raids those mobs are original from

@vagrant ember what googles?

[young rose]

Ahh yeah that would make sense, i saw a half pattern with the colour of the other enemies the boss spawns. But when i worked out in excel that theyre not equations theyre just a circular anticlockwise number system it feels like a key. Might have been a bit sloppy on it looking at the other map though, but the main blocks we have numbers for directions pointing to coloured boss rooms or maybe it overlays somewhere on the isle or idk

[fossil shuttle]

I@vagrant ember i have not, what are those from??

[vagrant ember]

so far they've only shown things in kara

[fossil shuttle]

How do you get them? I'm going to run all the dungeon/ raids today associated with the mobs from the vault again since everything is unlocked

[vagrant ember]

should be in the fel pins

[fossil shuttle]

Ok I'll look again and see if I can find them. It's hard to follow since I just got up, so I'm waiting for yall to have time to clean everything up

[green crest]

everything is pinned so it is easier :))

[fossil shuttle]

Thanks for mentioning them I'll get them before I run anything

[young rose]

How many orbs are there total before a puzzle is finished in felcycle room? Is it 9 then big orb?

[mental creek]

depends on the puzzle

[young rose]

Ah thanks, was wondering if we could infer anything owl but i guess for all we know it could be done at 5?

[coarse knot]

i've got the gogs, going to run the dungeon again

[split kraken]

Looking at the most recent pedestal (the codes), the orbs appear evenly spaced, but with two missing spots where orbs should be. Since the four orbs on the owl pedestal are evenly spaced already, I would guess there's either one additional step to complete, or else an additional five steps (an orb in between the four we've so far, plus the completion).

[young rose]

Ahhh good to know cheers!

[vagrant ember]

ok then where is glazer statue

[green crest]

i think you didnt wanna see it if you dont see it

[fossil shuttle]

@vagrant ember which one? The one that spawns after you kill glazer

[vagrant ember]

yea

making a bad joke lol

[fossil shuttle]

Oh sorry, my brain went literal and I was going to write it out 🤣

[green crest]

sorry

[fossil shuttle]

I'm dumb I still don't see the pin about the goggles, maybe because I'm on my phone

[vagrant ember]

damn, still nothing new

[fossil shuttle]

Ya know it looks like each pedestal spawns a different number of mini orbs around them. An orb spawns when that step is complete. I wonder if we will have use that to input a code to get the bike

[young rose]

Some of the solutions in felcycle are zone and item codes

[fossil shuttle]

Each mini orb around each pedestal is the number in the code

[young rose]

We have “the hunt” quest id from owl

[fossil shuttle]

@young rose that's so dangerous, haha the amount of stuff we do with toys and such too find out information

[winged spade]

I think we do need to stop the spyglass from proc'ing, it did not continue doing it with the Olga tributes and that completed that orb in the catacomb dung

[young rose]

Yeah, but we found a specific quest with the same quest name he mentioned when he said hes using those tools as part of the solve. And if we have confirmation he wasnt joking from the thunderfury item id in another puzzle…

[fossil shuttle]

So are you saying you think that quest Id is a hint rather than a troll?

[young rose]

I was 50/50 before because he asked us not to datamine, but with that recent comment and if thunderfury id was gotten through mining

Or its a troll 🤣

[fossil shuttle]

I hope it's a troll

[young rose]

Sorry i dint want to misinform though so will need to check where these came from, felcycle chat is impossible to follow.

I like the idea of embracing the mining cus its inevitable lol

[coarse knot]

completed the wardens dungeon and went back to the room with the colored orbs rotating around the small owl, while wearing the goggles, nothing new

[winged spade]

wrong channel that is for the Felcycle

[young rose]

Yeah i was adding here because its evidence perhaps we do need to pay attention to the Ids we found

[fossil shuttle]

@young rose some of it is but ppl take it to far. What's the point of having a puzzle of your not going to try and figure it out the way it intended.

[winged spade]

oh damn, he is using sfd tools

[split kraken]

There's also the question of the location of the owl orb pedestal. Considering that the first couple of pedestals needed to be done in order, it's possible we can't continue the owl portion until we've got some more pedestals completed.

[young rose]

Yeah agreed, but i think the solution to people doing that is either troll misdirects, or to just stick numbers in for the techy minded people to play with and get distracted from any real spoilers

[winged spade]

yeah, it's directly across from the Olga pedestal

[fossil shuttle]

@split kraken is this true? Was stuff needed from pedestal one secret to finish another one?

Good to see you again man, btw hope all is well

[split kraken]

I saw a comment in the felcycle chat that you had to do 1 before you could do 2. And you need the key from 2 to open the doors to start 3.

[fossil shuttle]

That's good to know

[winged spade]

they are saying in voice chat that order does not matter

[young rose]

This could still mean the ids are useful just doesnt give us an answer for interactions or what to do but idk

[split kraken]

Head's fuzzy right now 'cause of health stuff, but other than that I'm surviving 😄
I'm not going to be much help in actually solving things, but I'm following along and copying other peoples' solves 😄

[winged spade]

yes, you need to finish orb 2 to get the goggles to start orb 3

[fossil shuttle]

Thank you, Good to know.

[coarse knot]

i wonder if the 2 owl statues in the catacombs give 2 more buffs when unlocked to fill out the space of colored orbs spinning around the small owl inside VoW

and they can't be unlocked before previous steps are completed

[young rose]

Would be painful if true but make sense

[fossil shuttle]

They could but that spacing of the orbs in votw is appared different to different people

And the 4 orbs evenly spaced around the pylon makes me think that that's it for that part

[coarse knot]

also valid

[young rose]

Im guessing someone who would have gotten spins at all 9 owls has already been down

[fossil shuttle]

You mean got buffs from every owl on the island?

[young rose]

Yeah you still get mag glass if you keep going - havent been to felcycle room yet to rule anything out but someone will have

[fossil shuttle]

@tardy pollen group may have tried that, but i have not seen anyone confirm that they did

[young rose]

Ill go down later ive collected them all a lot, but everyone in their group did too so if theyve been its not that anyways

[fossil shuttle]

If it's not the cell door were opening that stops the spy glass, then we have to finish training that little owl maybe

[young rose]

Yeah maybes

I was wondering too, we all tried hooting and spinning with our oittle dude. But what if we had it all wrong? What if its a twit or a twoo

[fossil shuttle]

There is that stormcrow owl npc that gets emoted at and does the circle motions that could be related. This looks like this puzzle is the best of wow secrets addition lol

[young rose]

Oh yeah by aviana tooo. Yeah this is fun lol

[fossil shuttle]

@young rose yes, i watched it for a full hour, if that's related we would need to emote at it in a specific order like we did at uuna to unlock her

Which is plausible to me

Ohhh did anyone pull out unna in the catacombs?

[heady girder]

i ran around with uuna at the start and /hugged her but didnt notice anything off

[young rose]

#thanks-josh message

[young rose]

Not much confirmation 🤣

[fossil shuttle]

Probably 🤣🤣🤣

[winged spade]

maybe get all of the buffs from all of the owls on the island, that will take a LOT of time

[fossil shuttle]

I love this dude

Yeah that would or in a specific order like was suggested before

[young rose]

I think it has to be a specific code if its “probably” not finished

Its so easy to collect a number of spins per colour

[fossil shuttle]

I think he is trying his hardest to help without giving away hints

[young rose]

But v hard to brute force

[young rose]

Yeah i think thats the answer really like its yes but not “everyone rush to owls rn josh said its not done”

[fossil shuttle]

I'm just beyond thrilled we have a dev working with us instead of. .. GM's telling us idk, i can't say anything

That was the best part about SOD tbh was the devs direct contact with the community

[young rose]

Yeah its awesome and its nice to have the subtle feedback we get on if a thing is working right where needed without giving clues

It’s cool that theres a little bit for everyone it seems too

[split kraken]

I's nice to know that someone who knows how it should behave is keeping an eye on things to make sure that the results that people are getting are the intended results.
Even if they were to offer 0 feedback.

[young rose]

I literally could not have the stomach for this it sounds so fun until you realise 35000 people are monitoring his work in agitated frustration 🤣

[wanton jungle]

Have we tried visiting other Warden-related places, like the barrows/prison in Hyjal (vague memory) and the ones in Felwood?

[raven shale]

as of now everything points to the warden being a much later step

all the pedestals forming a big orb = solved were in order

[winged spade]

and where do you get that?

[raven shale]

the pedestals are a clock also referenced by the rare "tock"

[young rose]

Ah

[raven shale]

and if you actually try to solve it without the owl knowledge

1 o clock is the one solvable with "normal" knowledge and order forming a big orb

then 2 o clock recquires 1 o clock to be finished

and now 3 o clock is unlocked

[young rose]

Ahh thanks for this

[raven shale]

basically a brute force protection as well

and perhaps we get sth for the owls later on

[obsidian carbon]

I’ve noticed that whilst yes we are deciding the names of these pillars/braziers around the bike, their names all seem to fit into 4 letters. Love, Pray, Hate, Ward? (The owl), or at least between 4-6 letters (Nature, Click, etc)

[split kraken]

I don't know that those names are official, so could just be a player having fun.

[obsidian carbon]

True, true. Just interesting 1 and 3 are opposites

[young rose]

Ahh the link id and thunderfury id had different solves, so questid that was found probs doesnt matter

[nova ice]

did this lead to anything?

[young rose]

Not yet, is unsolved

[mental creek]

someone will come solve it when the other clock arms are done xD

probably end up needing something from the cave

[young rose]

Id laugh if its a week long bottleneck here 🤣

[arctic ruin]

eyo

is this usable in the owl room

[drowsy furnace]

just woke up, am I correct in understanding that we need to solve these in sequence so once we get to 7 we'll probably get an item or hints for how to do the rest of the owl puzzle?

[arctic ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[green crest]

yep we tried it.. I went the whole dungeon but didnt find nothing suspicious

[arctic ruin]

okay good

[fallow sierra]

is there any pre requisite to getting the owl buffs? my owl keeps circling but nothing happening when i get the magnifying glass and i click always says failed

[split kraken]

Exactly what I was talking about earlier 😄
Nice to know when it's not us!
#felcycle message

[drowsy furnace]

if the owl flies in a circle, you're done with that color of buff. Keep flying around clicking statues to get the other colors

it takes a while and it seems a little buggy, but eventually you'll get all 4 and the light will appear over the owls head

[arctic ruin]

@tardy pollen

hear me out

remember josh's "hoot at midnight"

what if the pillars represent the clock

[tardy pollen]

I'VE BEEN SUMMONED! HOOOOOOT!

[arctic ruin]

the puzzle is being solved from 1 to 12

clockwise

hoot at 12 confirmed 🗿

[young rose]

Hoot?!

[fallow sierra]

my owl thing is bugged as fk, literally clicking for an hour trying to get the colors and nothings happening

[arctic ruin]

MEANING that the pillar 6 will give us THE FULL answer to this WHOLE chat

[young rose]

Are you visiting each statue til it activates, then standing in its mist til your pet spins and you get the glass?

[fallow sierra]

yes when i get the glass i click the statue right and nothing happens lol, did it to at least 4 colours already

[mental creek]

Hopefully this is one of the 'bugged' secrets xD

[young rose]

You dont click the statue after just need magnifying glass to appear at the four colours and your pet gets an orb above its head

[tardy pollen]

Yea man... that guy blinks in Morse code 🤣 i swear
No, but that's not a bad theory. I mean we have alot of ground to cover here so essentially we /dance at everything with our bags full of pebbles and griftah toys!
It's like remember when we started, at the very beginning? And we were testing EVERYTHING like books and NPCs and leaves in trees.
Well... yea were there again x48 🤣

[young rose]

Did you guys ever try localising your hoots to different languages?

[tardy pollen]

Krona kai cristorr?

Hahaha I'm not gonna lie... I do hoot at things, but I keep it basic with common 🤣

[young rose]

Ive thrown in a couple twittwoos incase hes british

[past leaf]

How’s your owl?

[static elbow]

where did u find these 😮

[paper sandal]

I got the 4 orbs finally, patience is the key it seems

[arctic ruin]

#felcycle , check pins

but doesnt do anything in vow

[fallow sierra]

thanks ive got it now! 🙂

[obsidian carbon]

whilst it does give 4 lil orbs to one of the things in the felcycle room, there's a chance that we have only solved the beginning of that, and that there might be more to it

[deft viper]

i think there is, the status in the crypt both say locked

[arctic ruin]

We need step 6 done

so we can find out about step 7 for the owls

The statue is probably locked due to step 6 being not done

[winged spade]

I still think the buffs need to be in a specific order since more players are saying they are having issues and it took me 7 buffs before I got it.

[arctic ruin]

nah

we had people do that

[young rose]

I think people are just struggling with waiting for the spin but maybe 🤷‍♂️ first time i got it in 5 owls, 4 colours but couldve been lucky

[winged spade]

I let it spin and proc the spyglass everytime and it still took 7 buffs

[young rose]

Interesting

Might take an alt there then and mess around a bit

[winged spade]

it's also possible that it has to be from 4 different owls, but my first 4 buffs were different colors and from different owls, so probably not that

[young rose]

They are a bit streaky i kept noticing they seemed to repeat a couple of patterns, and couple of four different colours in a row in the same sequence (theres a red green sandwich thing i had a few times), but im too stupid to use a pen and couldnt remember the colours i said out loud fully 🤣.

If there is a natural sequence that occurs when you hit the owls yourself, i could see peoples sequences being interrupted by arriving at an owl someone else activated, but that would be mad with 30k people doing it.

Was going to go later and work it through properly - i know its probably already been studied to death but sometimes you can pick something new if you come in from a new angle. but will wait for felcycle 6.

Either way for this step spamming owls works 🤣

[drowsy furnace]

I'm wondering if it has to be from the same "set"

like you know how 4 of the 9 are active at a time and then move?

I'm wondering if you have to hit those 4 before it shuffles them

so if you do 3 and then they move, it resets your progress

[young rose]

Loll i forgot to do anything but owls all week and have no weekly rewards 🤣

[tardy pollen]

Dude im in the same boat!
BUT! We do have enough anniversary tokens to grab those beautiful T2 reworks! 😍🥰

[young rose]

Beat grinding myths for sure

[ivory jewel]

I think they changed the owls outside on the isle. earlier today when I went there to "upgrade" my battle pet owl, they were all clickable. usually its only 4 at a time, right? not all of them gave buffs; most of them were on cooldown so I couldnt get the buffs right away. so Im guessing whatever muffinus had in mind with these, wont be affected by this change?

[green crest]

nope.. you can wake them up through clicking rest of them (which are already UP).. 3 at the same time have buffs - 6 waiting for those 3 which gave buffs..when buffs ends yuou can click other 3 owls

[ivory jewel]

oh alright. thought only 4 would have an interaction key at once and the others had nothing when holding your cursor over them. I misunderstood how they work, so no change then 😛

[timid flax]

havent followed the chat here, goggles tried in dungeon?

[wintry slate]

if you do the 4 thing does this mean it's finished, i tough the torch needed to be fully light to be activated, but only 4 orbs are floating around it

[calm rune]

4 is as far as we've gotten

try working on other things maybe?

[young rose]

We dont think its finished

[untold palm]

where do we find the goggles?

[dreamy yew]

from the steps after getting the shadow keyt

[young rose]

Is there definitely nothing more to owls than anniversary? Felcycle room looks sick but im really struggling to force myself to do the hundred steps of questline to access it

[dreamy yew]

we have nothing currently other than whats listed here

[arctic ruin]

OWL?

HOOT

[drowsy furnace]

it's not too bad, just do the crates for detective title and then the first few starter quests to get the torch/statue/hat

[tardy pollen]

HOOT HOOT!

[dreamy yew]

https://tenor.com/view/woodsy-owl-gif-12219564582907400786

[drowsy furnace]

takes like an hour or two max, toss on some youtube while you do it

[stoic agate]

oh woodsy owl, we're really in it now

[arctic ruin]

to be fair, the felcycle can be done any time

[young rose]

Ah thanks read something that said i need the whole 3 chapters. i just wanna see what this owl statue does so badly 🤣

[drowsy furnace]

nah all you need are detective title (fastest way is probably to just do the 11 crates for the 2x achievements) and then need to have the torch/hat/statue. I did all 3 chapters and you don't even get an achievement for that because chapter 4 wasn't out yet

[arctic ruin]

the 11 crates would be completeable tommorow

[drowsy furnace]

ah is it? idk I just did everything since I was bored after raid whoops

[tardy pollen]

Fastest way i found is do "Assistant to the Assistant Guest Relations" achievement quests and find 6 crates 😁

[eternal parrot]

anyone else having some problems with the owl statues? I got green, red and purple multiple times but when I activate a blue one it doesn't do anything

the little magnifying glass doesn't pop up on that one for some reason

[tardy pollen]

There is an absolutely excellent guide for it here to save you some time. Quick, no nonsense, and straight to the point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TBCJt2p2Q

[tardy pollen]

Wiggle around a bit and stand close for about 20 seconds. See if that works

[eternal parrot]

didn't do anything :9

😦

managed to pop a red one again meanwhile though

[cobalt crown]

inside ratts instance

locked

[dreamy yew]

its known

[winged spade]

i think you have to stand pretty close to the statue for blue

[eternal parrot]

yeah that ended up working

just stand practically ontop of it and spamclick to get rid of the buff it gives you

[river maple]

So basically it's all but confirmed theres more to the owl secret so we get a big orb on the thing?

[dreamy yew]

yup

[obsidian carbon]

I imagine we'll be able to do the reset either once we reach that part of the circle after completing the 'steps' before, or we can do it now but haven't figuredit out yet

[river maple]

Do the watchers use a specific mount?

I know some have used various cats in the past but do the wardens maybe use a specific one?

[pearl sandal]

anyone chuck the light at the baby statue with the four revolving colours and had the statue disappear but reappear when you pick the light back up? should i leave the light on it?

[solid junco]

anyone know what colors we are doing? I thought I had all 4 but when I went back to check the orbs, only had 2/4

[past leaf]

When you dismiss your pet or drop the Light, the owl statue disappears

[river maple]

So, what do we think? next step in this gets us the overall solution or more tiny orbs?

guess im off to run vault again with these goggles.

Ok, ve run this palce countless times now, seen the little animation that palys at the first boss room. The owl in the first animation has moved.

instead of being near the edge its in a little bit more and offcenter.

[young rose]

I think its just a bit like that, i have a ss of it facing away behind marin and another infront

ah these two the only ones i cba to find - i dont think its a fixed position it seems to jitter around like pets do, idk though

[arctic ruin]

Shall we move the chat to #1308884230985617418 ? It will most likely end there :)

[past leaf]

We need to figure out how to activate the statues in Karazhan and how to unlock the room with books about Watchers

[cosmic prism]

Please keep discussion in this channel related to the old secret. If you wish to discuss the Felcycle related secret, head on over to #1308884230985617418 !

[arctic ruin]

^^^^^^^^

[young rose]

Soo do you guys still think theres something there from earlier?

[arctic ruin]

Probably not

It has been most likely reworked for this

[young rose]

But those owls are up to something 😭 i can see why people got drawn in

[young rose]

there was definitely at least that hidden hardmode puzzle years ago? but maybe that was it? I still feel like theres something unsolved there

[river maple]

Josh reacted to both my statements about looking closer at what the abilities from the statues did or are for as well as my comment about multiple difficulties of the instance and their discrepancies.

Surprise cat typing (got deleted)

The phasing thing with the obelisk got me thinking that perhaps a person, or people, interacting in a specific way can trigger the advanced puzzle for a day.

[young rose]

yeah that sounds good

[arctic ruin]

what phasing thing?

[river maple]

The obelisk in vale

There's a note on the floor next to one of the watcher books that says "why seagulls circle"

There are seagulls near this

[twilit socket]

its a reference to this https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/991d10/ring_of_suspicious_seagulls_that_lock_on_to_you/

[past leaf]

Where is it?

[hot copper]

Is there a toy that mimics the orb's effect?

[river maple]

in the locked room, not the cats

To the right side right next to one of the watcher volumes.

[river maple]

Where is this? to save me some time on wowhead?

[twilit socket]

stormsong valley, bfa

[river maple]

Ah, nvm. this is in bfa content.

yea, just looked it up

probably for something once we open that door but not for this.

[young rose]

Sorry for asking here, couldnt find anywhere thats not felcycly but i figured you guys would know - are any of the solved hidden stuff from previous expansions able to be solved solo given enough time without spoilers? Its hard to know if theres anything to approach without waisting time trying it or spoiling it by reading a guide?

[little folio]

Some of them would be quite hard

[grand pewter]

Has anyone tried using the pet mirror on their owl with the little buff icon, THEN clicking on the mini statue?

[river maple]

I've personally tried turning myself into the owl, nothing. Turning the owl into me, also nothing.

Tahts where my thought process immediately went to. the player would normally click the statue, but this one is small, perhaps the pet needs to click it as the player. but no go

[arctic ruin]

Not usable in instances, only in Caverns/Tanaris

[river maple]

There's an actual toy that does this with a long cooldown.

[arctic ruin]

which one?

[river maple]

The toy to turn your pet into you is called "Narcissa's mirror" and the one to turn you into the pet is "Magic pet mirror"

both, mirrors, which is also sus

Given the mirror owl statues

both big and this small one

I'm still thinking there is some correlation between the difficulties and the "achievement" buff that can be gotten on heroic will play a part.

I'm also not entirely sure we are done outside. The two owl statues in the Ratts scenario kinda point me to that there might be two more statues.

And two more orbs would complete the circle of orbs in the tiny statue room.

Also, theres the elune lantern toy which just popped into my mind yesterday

Also, we have trained the owl. maybe we have to train ourselves?

[grand pewter]

Has anyone additionally worn the Trading post "warden" set in there?

[river maple]

While it could be related to the felcycle I would highly doubt such a time sensitive thing would be required.

[tardy pollen]

No matter what ends up being the result of the island... I can honestly say, we found something.
Sifting through sand until hands became dry. Staring into darkness only to see infinite. Refusing to let the fire die.
Wings beating though an endless void.
That was us. That is us. We questioned the questions and refused to let go of the hunt.
The legend never dies 😁
Maiev said "The hunter is nothing without the hunt"
Well I say "The hunt is nothing without all of you"
You people are awesome and appreciated 🎃
Let's figure this thing out!

[young edge]

Where specifically is this is the instance?
The colours almost remind me of the bosses

[river maple]

In a room just before the first boss that opens when you kill the first boss.

[green crest]

before 1st boss, when you kill him the door opens and there are these orbs
colors are for buffs outside of the dungeon - its hint you have to buff your Fledgling Warden Owl with all the buffs - its progress for felcycle

[young edge]

Ahhh haha that's clever

[winged spade]

the orbs are only visible if you have the Fledgling Owl out and that's a hint to get the buffs on the owl

[young rose]

sorry probably being stupid but why am i seeing these second symbols when i hover on stuff now?

[split kraken]

I think it's other nearby/recent interactable things. Are there any elite mobs nearby?

[young rose]

not sure, ive moved away - i havent seen anything like it until I hit the felcycle room earlier so it suprised me

ill check my settings out must have changed something

[split kraken]

Either way, I've been noticing that for months now, don't think it's secret-related.

[young rose]

yeah i was pretty sure it would be something interfacey its interact key - but its showing up around these guys when nothings around today

could you check it happens to you if you head back at some point? ive had interact key on before

[tribal ruin]

anything special suppose to happen after i click this one at the end of VotW step?

[split kraken]

In theory, yes. We just don't know what it is yet 😛

[tribal ruin]

rgr

[young rose]

nope was wrong

[winged spade]

it's just the icon, it happens on a lot of stuff

[young rose]

i guess, its just really weird ive never seen it over the last week, and now im getting on sub but not all of the owls regardless of whats around, but probably reaching

[winged spade]

iirc, it's a setting, it's been happening to me since probably before DF

[river maple]

The interact symbol shows up when yo uturn friendly nameplates on and off in interation with a setting.

[young rose]

ah thanks; yeah probs do with restarting and update; had the same settings and nameplates since the weekend though unless restart changed something, it was showing up on some. cba to figure out why though

[outer blade]

here's a thought inspired by your combo lock comment and the SOD owl druid quest -
what if we have a timer (say 5 minutes) from when we click the statue inside the dungeon to rush outside and click the original statues and get all 4 buffs again with our owl pet?

[young edge]

Im assuming its known that throwing the light of elune down removes the owl?

[violet ember]

havent been around here for almost a week, it seems like the buffed owl is tied to the felcycle, right?

[river maple]

basically every interaction within the isntance is known about until what happens when someone clicks the tiny owl satue.

[river maple]

yes, but also no. it seems completion of this secret is tied to the cycle.

What about it specifically is due to the cycle, we will have to be told after the fact.

[flat adder]

problem is seems we are hardstuck on solving this one, it almost feels like we need to use/equip something to 'remove' each light, or have something of each light and isn't just a hint to buff the owl... who knows lol

[river maple]

The floating orbs look so awkward. and there are two more owls

in the catacombs

[young edge]

there is only 1 light of elune you can take up stairs?

[river maple]

Solo, yes. with a partner you can take 2, with a warlock you can take all 3.

[young edge]

and mirrors for glazer are tied to a WQ? or what spawned those I dont remember

[river maple]

Glazer has a wq, that no one has seen in forever, that spawns a puzzle in his room. There is a seperate, more advanced, puzzle that has an unkown spawn trigger. be it time or something people can do to force it.

The advance puzzle has been spotted over the years since this was discovered. no one knows if it sdpawns from strictly time or some yet unknown trigger.

[flat adder]

isn't the current assumption that this was yeeted and replaced, cause it now has a chest, which is clearly connected to this secret

and the owl is likely triggering the spawn of it

except that we don't have the... whatever to make it work xd

[young edge]

Just looking it feels like there should be more I get its for the bike but

just seems odd

[flat adder]

cause the chest was encrypted and wasn't inteded, and since then it's gone again

[river maple]

For sure. I, personally, think the behind the scenes changes were to clean up the puzzle, as you said, and upon completion (the advanced glazer puzzle) you get the new chest which will give us the big orb the other "complete" ones do.

[young edge]

anyone have an alt who hasnt done any of this? curious about the 4 owl statues walking into the instance

if theyre glowing for everyone

[river maple]

that was one of the changes.

if im not mistaken, they changed to be lit up from nothing.

[midnight eagle]

yes

[flat adder]

oddly enough when i checked on the ptr, the lights are not activated there neither outside nor inside but the clickable owl exists

[river maple]

Cause I guess, presumbly, no one had ever taken the pet into the instance and checked that room.

And it needed to be spelled out

[young edge]

so I think? this is known? but I went into mythic killed the first boss and noticed this statue disappeared I went into the next room and before I went down the lift it respawned

[river maple]

One of the imps blows it up. it respawns and it loops

[quartz fern]

did using the starry eyed goggles show anything more in the dungeon?

[turbid umbra]

I doubt the starry eyed goggles will progress this secret, they were added for the felcycle and the owls are much much older

[mental creek]

Unless the secret was modified for the felcycle, or was never a real secret to begin with

Like the other 'secrets' they've used so far this event

[quartz fern]

there was the note we find that mentions "incomplete secrets"

[dense wolf]

the more I look this one the more I'm convicend that we miss 4 colors floating

4 colours here fits perfectly or 5, and we have 4 or 5 more statues what a coincidence

[high quest]

Now that we have the Starry-Eyed Goggles has anyone gone into the instance with them on again?

[green crest]

Yes, we found nothing new

[high quest]

I wanna hunt for more stuff but I have to emergency grind 198k gold

[sick island]

2 mins would not be enough time to get from ZM back to the colored orbs room 😦

You can pick up fruit as well that gives us color but there is no red one

[mental creek]

For your sub? xD

[high quest]

yeah i'm a broke bish and keep my sub active with tokens

[mental creek]

Damn I could never afford that with my gold farming skills hahaha

I got excited by the pin btw

[high quest]

wait

I HVE AN IDEA

I used it earlier today and it said "you see purple"

what if we use that in the room with the statue

[mental creek]

I don't think I've even used 10% of my toys ever lol. Give it a go 😄

[high quest]

I mean we use quite a few toys and pets right now

[turbid umbra]

Were the owls in the entrance hallway to the instance always in the same 4 colours?

[mental creek]

They weren't colored originally

[turbid umbra]

Might have something to do with the felcycle too, that's the confusing bit right now I suppose

[high quest]

I think so because we still don't know how to activate the statues inside the instance room itself yet

asll we know is theres now a small statue in the instance you can click but nothing happens

[turbid umbra]

Has that book ever been spotted? Odd place for a random book 🤔

[high quest]

If I remember right it's for an alchemy quest in legion but that spot is also where a loot chest spawns

[turbid umbra]

Ah ok, never had alchemy higher than wotlk or cata level

[high quest]

okay so it's 100% that the statue is only there with the bird pet which means we need to do more buffing of the bird outside of the instance

So I wonder if we have to actually buff the bird at all of the statues as they change

[halcyon pelican]

I already tried this. Nothing.

[high quest]

and not just 4 of them

[green crest]

Or do something different, because if it is needed to be buffed more, we wont see any statue right? The next step is trying to solve why when we click it nothing happens.

[turbid umbra]

Maybe it needs a toy active, like the obelisk.

[high quest]

nah I think we just haven't unlocked the step yet and maybe the bird gets leveled up

cause it is a fledgling warden owl after all

[green crest]

Because when you come inside with 1, 2 or only 3 buffs and nights elune you cant see statue.. only 4 buffs -> buff above pet head -> grab elunes light -> statue

[turbid umbra]

can we drag the achievement specter or whatever it's called into the statue room?

[halcyon pelican]

The first two won't leave their rooms. You may be able to kite the final one from what I've heard, but I don't think they'll go up the elevator.

[high quest]

did anyone check if leveling the bird and it's rarity changes it

[halcyon pelican]

I say that because none of the other mobs will travel the elevators from my testing

And I've tested literally like every mob

[halcyon pelican]

Since the bird is a rep vendor item purchased as Rare, there is no other rarity. Mine isn't at 25 but other people have trained it to 25 and it didn't do anything different.

[young rose]

I thought someone brought ghost inquisitor to stat at some point but i could be wrong, worth testing anything twice too

[halcyon pelican]

Wrong reply, meant for @high quest

[high quest]

I'm just basing this updated puzzle piece around the fact that the bird is titled as "a young companion in need of training" and its only level 1 so maybe maxing it's level?

[young rose]

I have a 25 from charms, havent fully done one through battles though

[high quest]

I don't think that would matter as long as it hit 25

[green crest]

We tried it already

[young rose]

Still havent seen lilidan spawn

[green crest]

We tried pet battles max level,.. etc. So we need something different.

[high quest]

we've even gone to all the statues outside using the new goggles to check for more invisible birds?

[young rose]

If its something from felcycle 5 hope its satisfying answer after all this 🤣

[halcyon pelican]

Yes, and ran the dungeon with it twice.

[high quest]

because it's definately something else outside with the bird since we're missing 5 steps to it still

[young rose]

Id try anything twice tbh can knock out a bunch of tests by circling round never know if theres something missed

Does anyone have a screenshot of the first time someone gets a spin and mag glass with iwl outside and no enpowerment? Il try alt later if not. Im curious to see if the mag glass changed at all to the grey one after empowerenent or if it stayed the same?

[high quest]

it definately has some tie to the blue red green purple

Wait

What if the colors are tied to expansion locations involving wardens

legion being the green location

red being TBC and black temple

[young rose]

Is good idea def worth a try, ive popped by the wardens in a few places but nothing myself

[halcyon pelican]

Purple?

[high quest]

maybe BFA

void elves?

[halcyon pelican]

Idk, seems like a stretch

[young rose]

Void elves were legion 7.3 i thought? Or was that just the runup

[halcyon pelican]

Void Elves became playable in BfA

Midnight will be purple but that's obviously not it

[young rose]

Yeah, colours could be something boss room, zone, expansion or just need to be handed a clue somewhere - for felcycle stuff there were thousands trying rando stuff but it seems the answers were mostly there just needed to decrypt explicit clues. Does just feel like were missing one. Havent gone through the whole thing yet though

[high quest]

Or it could legit be tied to the zones in legion

azsuna is blue, suramar is purple, valshara is red, highmountain and storm are both green

[young rose]

I known it was tested in the old days but we have a reference to dimensional rifting from downstairs could be worth checking out again with owl

[halcyon pelican]

I think that's more likely, though I would maybe differ a little on which zones match to which color. But you can easily match each zone to one of them, so it's possible.

I think part of the problem here and what makes this difficult, is that we don't know if we're solving a Legion secret at this point (with updated features) or a new one.

If it's from Legion, there could be things people would have done back then that we wouldn't think of now.

[high quest]

wrong thread

[gusty heart]

whoops! sorry!

[arctic ruin]

I did

the goggles doesnt seem to do anything

well, atleast inside

[austere jolt]

good afternoon all, am so behind and want to know something, the interaction of the owl pet with watchers outside the VotW and the orbs is related for the rats karazhan scenario ?

[winged spade]

getting the buffs from the owl statues gives 4 orbs on one of the pedestals in the Ratts scenario, in the Vault dung it allows you to see a clickable owl in a room just before Tirathon, but only after you have killed Cordana and brought the orb from that platform up to the room,
We are stuck on how to get the owl to let up click it. It is presumed that something from another solve in Ratts scenario will be needed to progress in the dung, but we don't know yet.

[mental creek]

Did they limit who can message in the felcycle channel?

[wintry panther]

with the 7 O'Clock Torch: Watchers part what if you dont have "Fledgling Warden Owl Battle Pet" can you use any owl or no

[winged spade]

that's a question for https://discord.com/channels/223122687227199489/1308884230985617418

[hearty rover]

has everyone tried taking the orb without killing Cordana ?

[winged spade]

there is a trap that prevents the orb from leaving the platform prior to killing Cordana

[hearty rover]

i'll try the goggles when i get home. cause few stuffs were clickable in the catacombs but with goggles we can. maybe some body tried it already, if that's the cause sorry for bringing it up again 😄

[mental creek]

Even if summoned?

[winged spade]

yes, even if using Warlock Gates, crossing that trap on the bridge before Cordana dies puts the orb back on the platform

[mental creek]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's locked behind the previous orbs being lit

[runic nacelle]

I've been going through all the docs/notes people have done during Legion searching for clues and I've noticed Fledgling Warden Owl is mentioned there only once. So was that simply not discovered back then, or is Fledgling Warden Owl only relevant for the new TWW felcycle secret?

[winged spade]

it was discovered that pets can get the buff, but because the Fledgling Owl was reputation gated we did not do extensive testing with it.

[runic nacelle]

makes sense, thank you

[winged spade]

and we definitely didn't hang out at the buffs for the time limit it requires to get the animation, we concentrated on speed runs to the next buff

[wooden jacinth]

I don't know if this is old or something new. In the Vault of Wardens dungeon I saw these lights that match the owls we attune the pet to.

[green crest]

This was hint to empower owl

[hearty rover]

so if the owl turn around when near owl statues , does it turns also on the statue of Cardona ? without taking it . i'm new to the thread

or maybe it will not take it cause it has 4 already and 4 is the max it can take.

[green crest]

Which statue of Cordana?
Buff gives only 9 statues on the isle whoch you can click.

[hearty rover]

before you start cordana the orb is on a statue.

so instead of taking it, the owl might do the same thing like the other 9 statues outside the dungeon.

[flat adder]

does anyone by chance remember what kind of objectid the chest in votw had which we can't currently get to?

[hearty rover]

cause with the owl with 4 buffs you can see the colors faintly with the white orb with you. what if, the owl has the white orb it might change? i have yet to try when i get home.

but the door opens once you kill cordana right ?

[flat adder]

the colors don't change if you have a buffed owl or not

[green crest]

Tried it, nothing happened.

[hearty rover]

your owl has 0-3 buff ? i'll try with a new owl with 0-3 buffs

[midnight eagle]

🦉

[stone spade]

I can't make the inert peculiar key to pop with the torch 😦

[calm rune]

go further back

its behind the boxes

[tardy pollen]

Hmmmm... maybe try /reload.
Unequip the torch and re-equip.
It should be a little deeper in there

[calm rune]

Assuming it's gettable multiple times, has anyone tried bringing "The Light of Their Love" to the statue inside vault along with the cordana orb and empowl?

[turbid umbra]

maybe they patched it and you need the real hint to be able to find it now?

[tardy pollen]

Try leaving the area and coming back.
Portal out of there and come back, maybe even swap WM on/off.
It could be a bug with the servers. It's a big day for blizzard today

[marsh star]

Is it possible that we need to solve other puzzles and get into the room with the owl watcher volumes before this can be solved?

I've been trying to focus on hate but considering 1 o clock revealed 2 o clock, 2 o clock revealed 3 o clock, I think that it might be a bit before we can finish owl of the watchers idk

[calm rune]

maybe!

we just don't know

definitely some steps can be done out of order

[marsh star]

the vault of the wardens stuff seems like defintely the answer, we just can't do anything there yet

[stone spade]

ok guess what, I had it from a while ago....

Thank you !

[hearty rover]

this ever happened ?

orb became purple

ah nvm it's because maybe of the name

[hearty rover]

did anyone tried to get the buffs in order ? it's the last play in my mind

[calm rune]

its been tried

but the order we get the buffs is pretty random

ie it's easy to get the buffs accidentally

[hearty rover]

tried the warden transmog legion artifact weapons , legion artifacts

[rich gorge]

My issue with the owl getting the buffs is that he can go both clockwise and counterclockwise when acquiring the buff. Something to think about when we closer to the 7 O'clock part of felcycle.

[orchid swift]

Has anyone tried getting a buff at all 9 statues?

[green crest]

you cant have up all statues at the same time, max 3

and yes, we tried take buff from every statue, but feel free to try it

maybe you can discover something new :))

but imo we need progress with felcycle to unlock new hints for this step with owls

[orchid swift]

Agreed I was just curious

[green crest]

but if you want you can try your theories maybe something will pop up

[calm rune]

is this a new starting pattern?

@tardy pollen maybe you recognize this?

[green crest]

every player has different

[tardy pollen]

Let me compare one sec

[tardy pollen]

This pattern doesn't match my documentation of the puzzle 😗

[calm rune]

yeah seems to be different and the linked statues dont match either

TIME TO DRAW lol

there's definitely a reason why i still have a pad of engineering paper from college XD

[tardy pollen]

Dog I wish I was home rn so bad omfg

[hearty rover]

how'd you got thnis ?

[whole coyote]

you can't

does not work in EU yet

[hearty rover]

is it a world quest ?

back then it was a wq

or something

[whole coyote]

nah, we don't know why

besides, EU has daily stuff first, NA has weekly stuff first, and there's not midweek yet

[calm rune]

yeah dunno why it worked for us

but this also explains why we were going mad for a few weeks lol

[calm rune]

damn

[river maple]

The puzzle changes on every spawn and has different statues linked each time

[calm rune]

good to know

Managed to map most of my links before the notice about the bug lol

[river maple]

heres the deal though. Everytime yo uspawn a new puzzle the links change.

[calm rune]

I know lol

[young rose]

wtf

[river maple]

Ah, kk

[young rose]

whats going on what hav ei missed

lmao

[calm rune]

NA was affected by a bug that allowed us to sequence break

[young rose]

ahh ok

what happened?

[river maple]

tldr statue got picked up

[arctic ruin]

I AM DEVASTATED

[calm rune]

but brute force protection has prevented any further progress

[river maple]

opened glazer puzzle

[young rose]

ohh ok

well that answers that then lol

[calm rune]

yep. The cog icon changed to a hand icon on the hidden statue and we were able to loot it for some reason

[river maple]

i also just confirmed it can be done on normal and mythic, the two ones we can reset.

[young rose]

fuck sake could they not just have made it not hoverable before lol

[calm rune]

yeah I did it on normal for testing

[young rose]

jesus this is why i never engage with this lol

i dont regret the hooting though XD

[arctic ruin]

HOOT?

[calm rune]

I totally understand the bugs honestly

[young rose]

yeah its not the bugs its the fact it could be clicked pre felcycle etc

[river maple]

ok, now that I have the 9th coin im going back to the watchers cause im like 99% sure the muffin is in that chest

that we cant get to spawn

[calm rune]

I get that

[young rose]

ahh well im still having fun on clue 1 cipher lol but dont think ill do this again 🤣

[calm rune]

maybe it was a partially completed secret before and the anniversary gave them a place to pick it back up?

[river maple]

thats my thinking. Adding the owl to force spawn the puzzle instead of its schedule, wahtever it was.

[calm rune]

could have run into tech issues or whatever else

i also dont know how much of a troll muffinus was or not lol

[arctic ruin]

due to the bug we atleast now know what is making the glazer spawn

in short

the process of it

[river maple]

Which, in my line of thinking, is the last step

So there are X steps between what we have and that

[calm rune]

yeah i agree

[river maple]

Also, the hate pedestal has the big orb but kept all the little orbs

I just think it means the hate coins are tied to something else.

Oh no. Theres a report that if you complete the glazer puzzle it shows the bigger orb

[arctic ruin]

...it cannot be that simple

i want my owl story

to be worthy of its time

[flat adder]

what did i miss

[arctic ruin]

@flat adder the glazer puzzle showed up

[flat adder]

it's now clickable or is that what the pin is about that it's not supposed to be clickable still

[arctic ruin]

first we though its EU bugged since NA can do it

but turns out NA is bugged

and they got it somehow

while they shouldn't

[flat adder]

my guess is they hotfixed something about it, but wrong then

weird

so it does what we expected, it spawns the glazer puzzle?

[arctic ruin]

yes

....and thats about it

[flat adder]

welp

[arctic ruin]

de facto solved pillar 7

[flat adder]

but we still haven't technically solved it lol

[arctic ruin]

true

[river maple]

Except the puzzle it spawns is random each time and the 5 links of the statues are also different each time.

[flat adder]

just means it's a personalized puzzle

seems ok

[river maple]

Also a single "moonblade' was discovered

[flat adder]

a what

[arctic ruin]

moonblade

toy

[river maple]

ill ss

[arctic ruin]

search up moonblade in search

youll find the screenshot

[flat adder]

sus

that shit was not there

[arctic ruin]

indeed

[flat adder]

smh

[arctic ruin]

imagine being EU right

emotional rollercoaster

[flat adder]

anyway that pretty much confirms whatever the 'old' secret was, it was repurposed for felcycle entirely

[river maple]

As far as I know, yea

[rich gorge]

Are we allowed to know where a "moonblade" showed up? I understand statue is bugged and should be left alone.

[calm rune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[river maple]

In the lowest level, with Cordana

In the darker area about middle. With the two spirits and the spider lady.

[calm rune]

i guess it depends if EU can see the moonblade?

[river maple]

On the side overlooking that book for the quest.

[calm rune]

no idea

[arctic ruin]

tbf, i didnt see a bluepost saying "its bugged, dont do it"

[river maple]

Directly to the left of where you would have taken the jump down skip

And it shows up with just the light, no goggles.

[calm rune]

check it with a character that has no ratts progress?

[river maple]

What I assume happend is the 9th coin got discovered and entered which turned soemthing on in this secret (perhaps the blade) and inadvertantly made the statue be able to be picked up

[calm rune]

i went to vault before i got the 9th coin?

[river maple]

yes, the picking up of the 9th coin at all made it happen

is my thought

[calm rune]

hmm

seems odd

maybe!

[river maple]

Sure, but who knows.

[raven shale]

no apology either just "Bad luck go ignore it"

Or any form of sympathy

[calm rune]

I don't think it's malicious. I haven't seen a blue post at all, just staff for this discord

I understand the frustration

[raven shale]

Timegate and bugs at the beginning, bugs now. Imma just wait for the full wowhead guide

Time waste simulator

[tardy pollen]

For the sake of this mystery... throw your stones at me! Stay with us!
It was crappy, but we are trailblazers! When you walk the path first, you feel the briar.
Stay motivated and stick together! We got this crew 🎃

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-thumbsup-like-good-nice-gif-18648997

[tardy pond]

🦉 Snowstorms, wild weather, roads closed - but I'm here. Saw things went crazy on Tellz utube but no discord or wow till now. Lemme in! What did i miss?

[calm rune]

Yeah, I'm here for the thrill of the chase and maybe to help folks get ideas on how to solve things. I don't have any chance of getting solves on anything first or hopes of getting much without significant hints. I think it's just cool that this is a weird thing that exists.

[calm rune]

US has a bug that allows us to pick up the hidden statue in vault to spawn the puzzle

Oh sure there's always gonna be better puzzles.

[tardy pond]

Lol what? Oh gosh that stinks. What about EU, I assume no puzzle? Scrolling through and seeing that puzzle photo, I swear my heart skipped beats

[calm rune]

Like this game is a tower built on a pile of spaghetti and puzzles are a very new method of playing it, relatively speaking

[flat adder]

yeah no puzzle on eu, as it works 'properly?' here for some reason, but at least it does what we expected and unlock the puzzle so there is nothing left to guess here 'what will it do', just now how we get here but it just randomly showing moonblade in the instance on US but nothing on eu.. ehm yeah just bugged shit

[calm rune]

yeah, it's unfortunate. EU can't loot the statue

But I am enjoying being part of the WoW game world and working on it with characters and npcs/lore/etc I've been playing for 20 years now

[flat adder]

so who knows what is really supposed to be lol

[young edge]

so whats the TLDR? its bugged on NA and not on EU? or its working as intended on NA? confused on if the puzzle is supposed to be active or not

been kinda tuned in and out because of work

[flat adder]

it's not supposed to work right now is the TL;DR

but it does on US

[young edge]

so basically we know from this that the statue becomes lootable and triggers the glazer puzzle? but we dont know what makes or is suppose to make the statue lootable?

[calm rune]

according to the secret discord owner, it's a bug

presumably theyve heard from a trustworthy source

[young edge]

so its time gated?

[calm rune]

no

[tardy pond]

Any changes on the statues? Am here now going through again, most give the "you can't do that" - cave statue gives nothing. Bugged?

[flat adder]

the way it's worded makes it actually timegated if doing other things just makes it work lol, instead of 'Still needs to be properly solved' or something like that

[tardy pond]

'

[calm rune]

The step should resolve itself at some point in the future.

[river maple]

per the felcycle secrets pr forward face if you knew the steps to the cycle you could do them right now.

[calm rune]

makes it sound like a bug will be resolved

or that it will become more obvious when we should go back

like if we KNEW what all the steps were, we could just do them

today

[young edge]

my guess is its supposed to be an indicator from the replica statues

but we dont have what ever unlocks the replica statues from the cycle stuff

[tardy pond]

In any case, we still need steps for the big glow orb to appear- right now we only have 4 mini orbs.

[river maple]

Thats my thought as well. There are two statues in Ratts' scenario and two more orbs would make the circle of orbs in the statues room complete.

[young edge]

I get the impression that the muffin that people are looking for is probably in the chest, but said chest cant spawn till glazer stuff is done but glazer stuff wont spawn or isnt suppose to until you figure out the .. yeah brain going off the rails

[tardy pond]

Last we saw the puzzle was before the owl buff tho.. So i dunno <>

I will be doing mythic testing on EU if anyone wants to join, full mythic clear and running around with the light orbs searching for things and crabs

[raven shale]

It is confirmed to not work

No need to bother on EU

[tardy pond]

No moonblade hiding either? Sadge

[raven shale]

Nothing

[flat adder]

same as before on EU, nada

[raven shale]

Just visible, currently, unsolvable steps because peak design (EU)

[tardy pond]

Mhm okay so nada <.>

[halcyon pelican]

what on earth

[tardy pond]

They unbugged the dead demons that werent really dead. 🤣

[halcyon pelican]

I left for 30 minutes to make my classic era characters and now everything's on fire

[calm rune]

It's OK Ork

Nothing to see here /waveshand

[visual sand]

well... IDK it was finded or not...

With light of elune from last bos there is visible statue - not very much touchable and has no name. :i Need hold up to see

[halcyon pelican]

too late I just killed Cordana

[tardy pond]

Poor lady can't catch a break. I won't be killing her tonight tho x3

I went back to classic instead- can't decide between anniversary realms or era

[halcyon pelican]

oh yeah I was just making sure I got my names on the new anniversary servers

so that's it huh

the thing we've been doing for the past 2 weeks finally does something. amazing end to the secret.

[flat adder]

only because it's broken for US and not supposed to be interactable yet

[halcyon pelican]

I don't get it. What changed?

[calm rune]

there's more

you can pick up the statue

notice the hand icon and tooltip

[halcyon pelican]

yeah I have it

[calm rune]

you can go put it down in glazers room

and it will spawn the puzzle

we're not supposed to be able to pick it up though

[halcyon pelican]

should I put it back down

[calm rune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'd just hold it for now probably

[fading sedge]

Am I doing it right?

[halcyon pelican]

I ran this dungeon hours ago and it wasn't interactable. I wonder what happened.

[flat adder]

well the way the statue felt to me before, because it wasn't clickable, had no tooltip and nor was cached, felt 'encrypted'

and somehow they decrypted it on US

[calm rune]

yeah

[flat adder]

just dunno how this really happens on one side but not the other xd

we don't have a insight on that spaghetti code

[halcyon pelican]

are we 100% sure it's a bug on NA side?

[flat adder]

yes confirmed

but if you are US you can just do it, not like it will harm ya

just EU ppl have to wait until it can be done properly kek

[river maple]

My theory is that upon someone collecting the 9th coin it triggered. Unlocking something but also inadvertantly activating the statue.

[green crest]

exactly this happend xdd

[river maple]

Which almost guarantees that the muffin is in the hidden chest.

Imo

[halcyon pelican]

but under that theory it should be working on EU too, no?

[river maple]

Not if its different in some way. its clearly a coding issue.

[flat adder]

even on US it seems.. incomplete, due the moonblade popping up but doing nothing as far as i understand as it's not interactable

[river maple]

Also, if they are indeed pushing updates manually, which something Josh said seemed to hint at, they could ahve pushed NA, seen that it was bugged and not pushed EU

So we need the steps between we can see the statue with the orbs and to being able to pick it up

The puzzle is likely the end.

[flat adder]

yuh but what about the chest, does it appear on US

[river maple]

Perhaps with a ton more eyes on the owl statues more can be found.

[river maple]

As far as I know, no. no one who has completed the puzzle has gotten the chest. only the golden glow on the spawned sequence statue.

[flat adder]

or does what does 'solving' the puzzle do, just nothing happens beyond it completing a q?

[river maple]

i saw 1 person say he got the bigger orb to appear over the pedestal but only the one

[flat adder]

that is.. kinda oof i think? ppl might have to go back there to loot the chest when they fix it

[calm rune]

Yeah. When it showed up erroneously weeks ago, there was a chest that spawned when you finished the puzzle, but that was a bug.

[river maple]

The puzzle is also much more difficult

[young edge]

Basically sounds like it's a personalized puzzle and harder

[river maple]

its random on spawn and unkown links on spawn

[calm rune]

And around that time Josh said "good thing there's protection from brute force"

[river maple]

But its possible there are only so many possible spawn combos and a solution to each.

Seems like something a group would do faster as well but also soloable.

[tardy pond]

Did anyone record what steps they took on NA that might or might not have been different to the ones taken on EU?
Its obvious that steps are missing, if we assume we need 4+ more mini steps to spawn that big orb (if we, again, assume that all of this is also related to whatever is going on with the statues)
I just have to assume that, as most of these "new" statues are new patch-wise, and nothing else has happened throughout the massive amounts of testing and researching and clicking things..

[flat adder]

there is no steps missing

[tardy pond]

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE testing and running around on this island, watching my mini empowl do his circles!

[flat adder]

it was CONFIRMED it is bugged

there is nothing, it's just not meant to be activated right now

[young edge]

Its bugged and confirmed as bugged theres no steps missing

[tardy pond]

Oh, the fact that it appeared at all was a bug, gotcha, the part about the moonblade confused me I think.

[river maple]

well, when we get a clue referencing a watcher/warden weapon, we know where to look

[ivory jewel]

reminder:

old secret = added in legion

[flat adder]

the old secret is gone, there is 0 indication it still exists

[ivory jewel]

how do you know?

I hope thats not the case. they shouldve given us a hint instead of removing it, or changing it

[arctic ruin]

well

if they would have said "this is done"

we would be aware that it did exist

making it not a secret anymore

[halcyon pelican]

honestly this

[flat adder]

even josh was pretty wishywashy about it, so without getting some sort of 'hey old secret still there!!1' at least, it's dead cause who would still bother now without knowing

[halcyon pelican]

we'll have to see what happens but it doesn't look good for the Legion secret rn

[ivory jewel]

maybe josh could be nice enough to tell us when we have completed the felcycle secret

[arctic ruin]

probs

[flat adder]

we can't even really check if the old secret was maybe just getting that orb above the owl be it

[arctic ruin]

we can

wait for legion classic

👀

[flat adder]

gonna be a while xD

[calm rune]

only like, 4 or 5 years?

ez

[arctic ruin]

imagine it tho

we get there

and see

there was nothing

unfinished

[calm rune]

lol

[arctic ruin]

which in all honestly is possible

[halcyon pelican]

it's really hard for me to believe nobody took the warden pet to each of the warden statues for years, and just by chance someone did a couple weeks before this event that centers around it

like what are the chances

[arctic ruin]

someone would have known during legion

even then, puzzles were active

[calm rune]

well, there were zone and object IDs posted in here in like July?

[arctic ruin]

.02 update

.03?

idk the patchs

to be fair with all of this

the statues were updated recently

so just going by all that logic

it is higly likely that the puzzle didnt exist before

only the mystery of it

[halcyon pelican]

occam's razor fr

[arctic ruin]

it is

[halcyon pelican]

personally not a fan

[arctic ruin]

reworking old unused ideas into something new, isnt bad

[halcyon pelican]

imo they should just say if people have been wasting their time for years

but I know some people like chasing secrets that may not exist

[outer blade]

RE: warden pet comment - you can see it out in some of the pics in the doc

[arctic ruin]

to be honest, how can we know if any of the other 12 secrets currently on going arent reused from old unfinished secrets

some more or less known

what if the felcycle trip is just "we gonna finish all the secrets ever existed"

it could be all of them, unreleased, released, reworked

lets hope josh will give us an asnwer after the felcycle puzzle is over, atleast a yes or no to "was it ever finished during legion or before felcycle"

[outer blade]

whatever it ends up being, it did get me to resub just to enjoy exploring and investigating with you all for the past week

i have really enjoyed it so gonna count it as a win

[halcyon pelican]

it was fun

[arctic ruin]

im rarely in any communities, but trying to figure this out in any way with the rest, is fun

[outer blade]

and when it's solved i will have an answer to the many-year mystery lol

[untold valley]

genuine question popping in here, with the "old" secret aka the legion version secret, I know people have been talking about it being revamped/reworked. If the current steps to working on what is being actively solved were in the game pre BFA content then that would mean it's been in the game the whole time versus post felcycle if anything post BFA was added it would indicate that it was part of the new secret yeah?

[ivory jewel]

not sure I understand what you are asking

[dim rivet]

idk if they made them interactable but i killed Cordana and with orb i ran back to this room with floating orbs and say the small statue... and clicked it and received Senty Statue..... its a usable item.... maybe one time use cause I dont see charges.... help lol.

[halcyon pelican]

Apparently this is a bug on NA servers. You're not supposed to be able to pick up the statue, and I don't think we know for sure what to do with it anyway.

[rigid dagger]

Is the green statue bugged? The owl circles around and I get the magnifying pop up, but ATT doesnt say a quest flagged

[arctic ruin]

not sure even if att can tell that it is a quest

continue for the rest

[rigid dagger]

The other 3 all flagged a quest

[arctic ruin]

try agsin then idk

ur owl should get the cloud above its head

[dim rivet]

so if its bugged... i picked it up.... what should i do now?

[arctic ruin]

nothing, it shouldnt be interactable

[rigid dagger]

It does. Like I said, I get the magnifying glass, but it just repeats, it keeps flying to give the glass over and over

[arctic ruin]

u probs got that color before then?

[rigid dagger]

JNope, did Red, Blue and Purple

Checking kara, maybe green just doesnt have a quest for some reason

[arctic ruin]

does ur owl have the cloud above its head

[rigid dagger]

Has 4 orbs, so I guess green just doesnt have a quest for some reason

[halcyon pelican]

Can you share a screenshot of the pet?

[dim rivet]

ok so there isnt anything to do even though i have something that we are not suppose to have yet??

[flat adder]

on us you can place the figurine in the glazer puzzle room to unlock the puzzle, where the original sentry was but yeah, it's not supposed to be active

[halcyon pelican]

Personally I would just hold on to it for now. If Blizz staff come out and say to delete it then I would.

[halcyon pelican]

It is definitely empowered. You should be good.

[dim rivet]

okie dokie

[spark island]

Is there a summary or something that tells what's up with the gazer thing in Vault of the Wardens?

[orchid swift]

I was able to pick up that little owl

nvm I see this is old now haha

[ivory jewel]

@spark island summary: forget this secret for now until blizzard fixes it

[young rose]

The reach last week was actually quite funny if you think about it 🤣

[lofty notch]

Got stuck after Tirathon died :(

his weapons are just spinning around infinitely after I already looted the guy.

hearthed out and walked back in, and Tirathon's door is just closed and I'm locked out of the whole dungeon.

[young edge]

I spawned into a mythic vault of the wardens and cant get to cordana and cant leave

[fervent marten]

Cross-posting some stuff I found in Azsuna after deciding to check every Beginner's Guide to Dimensional Rifting location due to its presence inside the catacombs.

First pic, I found a smaller but identical statue to the moonkin one from the catacombs. This location is in the room at the bottom of the tower that Dimensional Rifting chapter 2 spawns on top of when it is active. It points almost directly at Nar'thalas Academy, but there was otherwise no other nearby interaction (even with starry-eyed goggles).

Second pic, I found a scroll inside Nar'thalas Academy which has no interaction but also turns up no results on Wowhead or Google. Given that the owl statue pointed me in that direction, I have to think they are related, and perhaps tied to further advancing the Watchers portion of felcycle.

Dimensional Rifting chapter 5 also has a Legion Communicator near it with Cordana speaking to a quest target, and it uses the same one as in the felcycle room.

[river maple]

yea, my current theory is that now that we've trained the owl we have to train ourselves. So we will be a trained warden with a trained owl pet.

So trying to find things to kill that are within range of the buffs seems like a worthy endeavor.

[lofty notch]

Well now what?

[stoic agate]

do it again when we're actually supposed to do it

[lofty notch]

ah crap

[arctic ruin]

Do you have the coords for both

not intended to be solvable now

NOT INTENDED BUT U CAN

LETS FUCKINGGO

[graceful harness]

How to you get the puzzle to show up after Glazer? 2nd week in a row after killing everything and no puzzle, no owl statue...owl pet activated, have all the things going (goggles, etc)...??

[arctic ruin]

loot the sentry statue and spawn it at glazer above stairs

is it solvable no? idk, probably not until we get there.

[hearty rover]

anyone tried to place the sentry in the catacombs ?

[ivory jewel]

yes, doesnt work, as you cant see it if you are not holding elune's light

[green crest]

its not solvable YET, because it was bugged and we shouldnt have statue yet but later

[sturdy shell]

So, I might have missed it in the various postings but does anyone know what the deal is with Cordona's Specter?

[midnight eagle]

It is part of the achievement "A Specter, Iluminated"

[sturdy shell]

Gotcha. Thank you.

[tardy pond]

So they made the bug an eu bug. Still clueless what step we were missing to actually be able to pick it up.

[young rose]

Owls owls owls