questions-2

[scenic drift]

yes and "im = in dem"

[night dagger]

klar, aber es wäre nie "im" oder "in dem" mit "kommen"

[eager sequoia]

ist doch genau das Gleiche nur mit einem anderen Ort

[night dagger]

nee

es bleibt irgendwo - es gibt keine Richtung.

also Dativ

[eager sequoia]

Der Zug fährt von Koln ab und kommt im Saarland an.

Der Zug fährt von Koln ab und kommt in Hamburg an.

[night dagger]

hmm

[eager sequoia]

ist doch beides der gleiche Fall oder sehe ich da was falsch?

[long whale]

Some regions get a definite article (das Saarland), just like some countries do -> im Saarland, but in Bayern. :)

[eager sequoia]

könnte auch im Hbf oder so etwas sagen ging nur um etwas, das mit im geschrieben wird

[night dagger]

wenn ich an "kommen" denke, erkenne ich eine Richtung (also Akkusativ)

aber vielleicht liege ich ja völlig falsch

[eager sequoia]

aber dann müsste es in meinem Beispiel bei beidem in sein

glaube, man muss das einfach lernen also über Gefühl

[night dagger]

vielleicht kommt es auf den Kontext an

[eager sequoia]

kann auch sein

[night dagger]

wow

sorry, ich hab es gerade bemerkt

ankommen vs kommen

klar, mit ankommen ist es Dativ

[eager sequoia]

hehe, glaube man versteht als Deutscher manchmal selbst nicht warum

[night dagger]

Ich komme in die Stadt. - i am coming into the city.
ich komme in der Stadt an. - i am arriving in the city.

das war ein bisschen kurzsichtig von mir, sorry @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

so is it in or im

sry i cant understand what u r saying iam still bad at german

[eager sequoia]

its in

[narrow pier]

hi these examples are very helpful but why in the second sentence its der Stadt i dont understand, can someone explain please

[night dagger]

„in“ ist eine Wechselpräposition, also es kann Akkusstiv oder Dativ sein

wenn es eine Richtung gibt, ist „in“ im Akkusativ

„ankommen“ (und „in“) ist hier Dativ

Dativ wird mit Verben wie ankommen, erscheinen oder verschwinden verwendet. hoffentlich macht das Sinn :)

[narrow pier]

verstanden danke aber

so after (in) is always accusativ unless there is a verb thats dativ and makes the preposition dativ

i am sorry but i did not get that direction thing

[night dagger]

du verstehst

[night dagger]

ich fahre in die Stadt… I drive into the city.
jetzt bin ich in der Stadt… I am in the city.

es gibt auch „ich fahre in der Stadt“, das bedeutet, dass du schon in der Stadt bist und du fährst innerhalb der Stadtgrenzen.

ich fahre in der Stadt herum… I am driving around within the city.

[narrow pier]

i totallz

i fully understand

vielen vielen dank

[long whale]

*Ich fahre in der Stadt herum :)

[night dagger]

ah shit es tut mir leid, ich benutze gerade mein Handy

[night dagger]

danke

[narrow pier]

hi, verpasse hundert riese mit dir,

does verpassen mean to spend

??

[night dagger]

PONS.com, duden.de

[delicate tiger]

likely "verprassen"

[rough charm]

I am using a set of Anki cards and I have a question about one of the cards. The sentence in German is "Ich finde ihren Rock schrecklich. Er sieht furchtbar aus!" In English, it is "I find her skirt terrible. He looks terrible!" In this case, 'er' is referring to 'der Rock," and not some unspoken of 3rd person, correct?

[glass hawk]

Correct. It's properly translated to 'it looks terrible'. One of the translation considerations you have to make between English and German is that gendered pronouns don't necessarily equate to he/she in English.

[rough charm]

yeah, in English, the literal meaning of the sentence could only be that there is some other previously unmentioned 3rd person dude hanging out in the background who looks terrible, because 'he' cannot refer to an object (with some weird exceptions, of course). In German, the pronoun, in this case 'er,' has to match the gender of the mentioned object.

thanks!

makes sense now.

[fallen kindle]

Hallo gibt es lehrer ?

Eine frage :d

[night dagger]

schieß los

bin kein Lehrer, aber ich kann wohl helfen

[fallen kindle]

Scheiss los ??

Ich weiß

Ok ich beginne

[night dagger]

lmao

wow

tippfehler

[fallen kindle]

Geben Sie mir bitte 200 gvon dem Käse dort

Das ist dativ

Dem kase

Ist das richtig

[night dagger]

von ist immer Dativ, genau

[fallen kindle]

Ok

[night dagger]

sieht gut aus

[fallen kindle]

Können Sie mir bitte 200g DER KÄSE geben

Nominativ

[night dagger]

das ist falsch

[fallen kindle]

Ist das auch richtig

Welche Artikel

[night dagger]

geben = Akkusativ

[fallen kindle]

Hmm

Den käse

[night dagger]

den Käse.

jup

[fallen kindle]

Ok

Aber ich frage

Was möchen sie

Sie möchen der käse

[night dagger]

möchten ist auch Akkusativ

[fallen kindle]

Gibt es Nominativ verb ?

[mellow nova]

sein

Er ist ein Mann

[vast violet]

nur sein ist mit Nom

[fallen kindle]

Ooo einfach

Dankeschön

Ich soll praktisch in Deutschland machen

[mellow nova]

@fallen kindle it's not just sein

Er wird ein guter Mann

Er bleibt ein guter Mann

[night dagger]

das macht keinen Sinn

[vast violet]

ah stimmt

[mellow nova]

Er scheint ein guter Mann zu sein

[fallen kindle]

Ich verstehe

Deutsch ist sehr kompliziert

[vast violet]

das ist noch einmal sein

[fallen kindle]

Besonders

Akkusativ dativ Nominativ

Der die das

[vast violet]

Aber sie sind ja sehr wichtig

[night dagger]

mit der Zeit geht es besser

[fallen kindle]

Wie haben Sie von den Artikeln erfahren?

[vast violet]

Auswendig

[night dagger]

Zeit

[vast violet]

Es gibt ein paar feste Regeln

-ung immer feminin, -e manchmal feminin

Ge- normalerweise Neutrum, -chen auch

[mellow nova]

-ung only as a suffix

is feminine

that's most words that end in ung but not all of them

[fallen kindle]

Ok die

[vast violet]

Ja

[fallen kindle]

Ja ich wiess

Weiss

[vast violet]

Es wäre nützlich, wenn du jedes Wort mit dem Artikel lernst

indem du so lernst kannst du dich an die Artikeln automatisch errinern

[fallen kindle]

Ich lese einen Artikel, aber er schreibt von dem. Ich kann nicht herausfinden, ob das steht oder nicht.

Beispiele

Einem dieser als

[mellow nova]

was

[fallen kindle]

Egal

Ich habe translate gemacht

:D

[vast violet]

Deswegen wird google translate nicht empfohlen 💀

[mighty pebble]

Google translator bringt einem meistens nichts

Egal in welcher Sprache

[vast violet]

You can ask in english if you want

[fallen kindle]

Nur Englisch richtig

In translate

Andere Sprach falsch

Für deutsch nicht gute idee

[mighty pebble]

In englisch ist er auch falsch

Englisch*

Zwar weniger als bei anderen Sprachen, aber trotzdem kommen Fehler vor

[vast violet]

dict.cc reicht, mmn

[fallen kindle]

Ist Türkisch scwer?

Schwer*

Zumindest gibt es keinen Artikel

Araba =das Auto

Ev =das Haus

[mighty pebble]

Ich spreche neben Deutsch, Englisch, Russisch, Tschechisch, Slowakisch und Latein aber Türkisch stelle ich mir sehr schwer vor

[fallen kindle]

Vaooov

Ja türkisch kleiner schwer

Egal ich muss deutsch lernen

[mighty pebble]

Aber ich glaube die schwerste große Sprache in/aus Europa ist trotzdem noch Latein

[mighty pebble]

Bye

[fallen kindle]

Ach soo

Auf Wiedersehen

[mighty pebble]

Oder Ungarisch

[fallen kindle]

Oder deutsch

France

Maybe

[mighty pebble]

Deutsch ja aber es geht noch

[fallen kindle]

Bro für mich türkisch einfach

[mighty pebble]

Deutsch ist sehr schwer aber es gibt schwierigere Sprachen

[fallen kindle]

Mutter sprechen 😄

That true

Klar

Danke für alles

Guten Nacht

[mighty pebble]

Gute Nacht was auch immer ich getan habe haha

[charred harbor]

Ich hab schon mal versucht Latein zu lernen und es war zu schwer für mich

[mighty pebble]

Ja

[charred harbor]

Sechs Fälle

[mighty pebble]

Das schlimmste für mich ist, dass es keine Zusammenhänge gibt die ich ziehen kann

[mighty pebble]

Das ist noch nichts

Es gibt im Russischen zB auch 6 Fälle

[charred harbor]

I mean quite literally having to remember ever noun 12 times

Even human names

[mighty pebble]

The biggest problem is that the words are all completely different than any language I‘m used to

For me

So like there almost aren’t any words that make sense for me

Oh yea and there aren’t any personal things like there isn’t any he she it and all that

That is also horrible

It is all about the endings of a word

[charred harbor]

I can draw a lot of connections to English but almost all of them are to extremely advanced literary words

[mighty pebble]

The ending of a word tells you everything

What Person it is

person*

What time

Is it active or passiv?

Etc

No like really

[charred harbor]

I've been there so I feel you

[mighty pebble]

For example

Navigo

Means

I sail

Navigoro

Means …. sails by me

It is so complicated

You don’t use any I

[charred harbor]

Sounds a lot like "navigate" or "navigation"

[mighty pebble]

But there is an I

I means Ego

But you never use it with any activities

[mighty pebble]

Yea that’s why Latin is good

[vast violet]

💀

[mighty pebble]

Because if you can speak Latin you also can speak a bit of any language in Europe

[vast violet]

are there verb conjuagtions?

[mighty pebble]

Yea

[charred harbor]

Lots

[mighty pebble]

Many

Yea

And the best thing is

[vast violet]

how do you say, you sail

[mighty pebble]

You can’t tell what conjugation a verb belongs to

Wait

No

That was with nouns

Wait nvm

With verbs

You always need to know the so called „Stamm“ idk what it is in English

Otherwise you can’t do anything with it

[vast violet]

yea Im getting you

[charred harbor]

I can give an example of some words that can be connected to literary English ones
Soror (Schwester) sounds like "sorority"
Frater (Bruder) sounds like "fraternity"
These are really hard words in English but because I know it I could tell what "soror" and "frater" meant even the first time I saw them

[mighty pebble]

And with nouns you have to learn the 2cnd fall

[mighty pebble]

Or

Defendere

To defend

Or ducere

Means to lead

Duce means leader in Italian

[vast violet]

interesting

[mighty pebble]

Puella

Means girl

In Spanish it also means girl

Or like smth like that

[charred harbor]

Then I guess you could say that the Annoying Orange is orange duce

[mighty pebble]

I always think of Mussolini

That’s why I remember the word

Lol

After all he was called like that so yea

Also question

How do you pronounce Ceaser in englisch

Wait

Np

Nvm*

Ik how you pronounce it

Anyways

C is also mostly pronounced as a K in latin

The word Kaiser

Means emperor in German

And it comes from the word Ceaser in Latin

Wich is basically pronounced Kaiser

Caesar*

I have been writing it all the time wrong

[mellow nova]

see zer

[charred harbor]

I say it like that too

Though I swear I’ve heard people pronounce it “say zer” before

[mighty pebble]

Well we all pronounce it basically wrong in German

We pronounce is Zesar

also Russian very funny language definitely recommend learning if you want some easy language to master then Russian is the right way

(Insert kappa emoji)

[charred harbor]

It’s definitely up there for me

[mighty pebble]

Totally understand 100%

[charred harbor]

I personally want to get better at French first though

[mighty pebble]

Well French also has to do a lot with Latin

Many words that are French come from Latin ones

However I can’t speak French at all

I can’t speak any Romanian language

So yea it is very hard to learn Latin for me

Than for people that speak Spanish, Italian French etc.

[charred harbor]

I get that 😆

[mellow nova]

p sure it's like 95% of words are latin

in origin

[mighty pebble]

Also

Funny thing

That when you speak Latin

You might not understand the Latin the Pope or other church members speak

Because it is Medieval Latin

[mellow nova]

Ecclesiastical Latin*

[mighty pebble]

And Latin changed like every language from time to time

[mighty pebble]

Yes sry

And the Latin people usually learn is the one from the ancient era

[mellow nova]

well ya vulgar latin became french/spanish/italian etc so it would be a little hard to learn it 😅

would be interesting tho

like a middle man between the romans and modern language

[mighty pebble]

My Latin teacher always jokes about Romans making there language easier and easier

For example

Mons

Means mountain

But the 2cnd fall I still don’t know the English word for Fall

Is montis

[mellow nova]

case

[mighty pebble]

Yea Ik

But do you really say case

[mellow nova]

you just said u didn't

[charred harbor]

Ecclesiastical
Thou shalt not confuse me with thy science words!

[mellow nova]

and when speaking about grammar yes but english just barely has 2 cases so it's not common

[mighty pebble]

Yea but I always think when I hear the word case

About like a court case or smth

[mighty pebble]

That’s why I didn’t know the word

[mellow nova]

that's a church word don't blame science

[mighty pebble]

Because in the English language they aren’t basically any cases

[mellow nova]

there's just subject and object case

and most things don't even differentiate those

[mighty pebble]

Also

How complicated do you want to make your language?

German: Yes.

[charred harbor]

English is basically German if the Germans turned around and said "Yeah okay we really don't care about our language anymore"

[mighty pebble]

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Die-langsten-Worter-im-Duden

[mellow nova]

funny thing is, german is only mid-level hard for english speakers to learn

[night dagger]

im Vergleich zu Japanisch, Arabisch oder Russisch, jup

[mighty pebble]

That’s true tho

[charred harbor]

A lot of it is literally just going back over words you already know and learning their gender

[mighty pebble]

BTW gender

[mellow nova]

not even that. Hungarian, Mandarin, Arabic and Finnish are all what I would say are the hardest languages.

Completely different systems to English

[mighty pebble]

The German language might change itself now with all that gender thing going around

For example Mannschaft

There also should be a Frauschaft now

[mellow nova]

and probably some native american languages if they were still spoken outside of reservations but I haven't seen them much so I don't know rly

[mighty pebble]

And all other basic words like Arzt > Ärztin

That make the life hard for people trying to learn German

[mellow nova]

miini-baashkiminasijigani-biitoosigani-badakiingwesijigani-biitooyiingwesijigani-bakwezhigan this means blueberry pie in Ojibwe

[mighty pebble]

I feel that tho

In German we also have many accents

Even I speak an accent

[mellow nova]

everyone has accents x) maybe you mean dialect

[night dagger]

im Finnischen gibt es 15 Fälle, nein danke.

[mighty pebble]

However it isn’t a accent really it is more like a whole own language

[mighty pebble]

Yes my bad

[mellow nova]

which i guess everyone has a dialect too but i get what u mean

there are lots of really different dialects in german

[mighty pebble]

In Austria some words are completely different than in Germany

However we have our own dialects in Austria

That change those Austrian words again to different ones

and there is the Swiss guys

Nobody likes

They use words like

Hure

In English bitch

As normal words

For example if you say

Das war Hure geil

Means this was really good/nice

[mellow nova]

just so you know, if you keep typing really short messages quickly like that bottfried might mute you xd

[mellow nova]

I would say that's weird but we use 'fuck' in english like that lol

[mighty pebble]

Also true

Guess what Paradeiser in Austria means

[charred harbor]

||Tomaten||

[mighty pebble]

Yes

[proven sphinx]

That word isn't used in Standard German, and it would be "Das isch huere geil gsi" anyway in Swiss German, since there's no Präteritum in Swiss German.

[swift bough]

Not even for any modal verbs?

[proven sphinx]

Nope, never.

That tense simply doesn't exist in Swiss German.

[swift bough]

I see

[fair cape]

Hallo Leute, i've been attending an extensive Goethe B.2.1 class for a month now, and am trying to streamline practice through the given textbooks before the course's finals in march.

However, i'm struggling to find other practice materials (beyond textbooks) that do not include other B.2 topics i haven't learned yet (B2.2-B2.4). Should i continue ahead of the curriculum to be able to practice using more common resources such as practice tests, or practice using what i've learned and more advanced vocab?

Thanks in advance

[junior flame]

Wie wäre es, wenn wir um 8 Uhr anfangen würden?
Wie wäre es, wenn wir um 8 uhr anfangen?
Is there any difference in the meaning of these two??

[long whale]

No difference in meaning, and you'll hear both versions. The 1st is the correct version according to grammar books. :)

[junior flame]

One more:
Es könnte sein, dass sie schon zu Hause ist.
Es könnte sein, dass sie schon zu Hause wäre

Are these two also same?

[long whale]

Interesting question. I wouldn't say/write the 2nd one. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, though. Maybe there's just less likelihood? 🤷

[junior flame]

So if I say the 2nd one, will you instantly get what I meant?

[long whale]

Sure.

[junior flame]

Okay, thanks a lot

I was really confused in this

[mighty pebble]

Das Wort Hure gibt es schon nur in einem anderen Kontext

[thorny urchin]

What's your native tongue? If it's dutch I have a great book for you

[grim ivy]

Ist hier jemand aus Marokko oder Ägypten?

[left crown]

Ein Channel reicht.

[grim ivy]

Ist hier jemand aus Marokko oder Ägypten

Is someone here from Morocco or Egypt

[left crown]

💢

[charred fog]

Ich komme aus Libyen

[grim ivy]

Okay

[grim ivy]

Freut mich, sie kennen zu lernen

[shut briar]

Ich würde das machen

This sentence makes no sense standalone right?

[left crown]

As an answer, it makes sense

[shut briar]

But there is an implied sense right

Like Ich würde mit ihr gehen

This is not the same as Ich werde mit ihr gehen

[left crown]

Yes

Konjunktiv

[shut briar]

I'm asking cause in English using would, would imply you used to

I would go with her everyday

[charred harbor]

"Would" has two usages in English

"I would go with her every day, if it weren't for the fact that she hates me"
^ Hypotheticals

"Würde" is similarly used to express hypotheticals or imaginary situations

[shut briar]

Exactly, so just saying the first part, without any hypothetical, said or implied, doesn't make sense

[charred harbor]

I mean it could with sufficient context

[shut briar]

Okay

So context is needed

[left crown]

It has to be clear what "das" is referring to.

[shut briar]

I made a simple sentence, but the original sentence was

Sie ging mit ihr in die Stadt und kaufte ihr ein Kleid

I had to make k2 out of it

One easy way is to make past, would have gone

I think the würde one wouldn't make sense because there is not context, but my friend says otherwise

That's where the confusion arised

[left crown]

I think, based on the tense, correct would be: "Sie wäre mit ihr in die Stadt gegangen und hätte ihr ein Kleid gekauft"

[rapid creek]

was ist Gegenteil zwischen ich glaube und ich finde

[proven sphinx]

Gegenteil? You mean difference, right? That would be "Unterschied".

[rapid creek]

danke oops

[proven sphinx]

In the context you probably mean, they're both pretty much synonyms.

"Ich glaube, dass..."
"Ich finde, dass..."

[rapid creek]

oh, so i can use any

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, pretty much.

[rapid creek]

oh ok thanks 🙂

[radiant comet]

ich glaube is used to express beliefs and ich finde is used to express opnions

[rapid creek]

oh i see

[icy flax]

Was sagt er genau?
"können wir uns zueinigen?"
sich einigen kenne ich, aber "zueinigen"?
https://youtu.be/gVbwtzziZYY?t=309

[radiant comet]

er sagt

Können wir uns so einigen?

[rapid creek]

ok

[icy flax]

Danke!

[shut briar]

Dazu sagte er "Ein Waffenhändler soll der Partei viel Geld gespendet haben"

K1 for it would be

Dazu sagte er dass ein Waffenhändler der Partei viel Geld gespendet haben solle

Is that correct? I used deepl to see if it's right, there it was simply "soll"

[icy flax]

Yes, seems right to me. You changed "soll" for "solle" to signalize the K1-aspect of it, indirectly report sth s1 said. Yeap yeap.

Andere Frage:

hat er "to keep" eingedeutsch und wirklich "gekeept" gesagt?

einfach komplett reaktionslos so nach hinten gekeept?
https://youtu.be/QwfhCdfWf-8?t=573

[left crown]

Nein, er sagt "gekippt"

[icy flax]

achsoo.. "sich neigen, das Übergewicht bekommen [und umfallen, herunterfallen, stürzen]" Danke!

[left crown]

Genau das!

[lean bridge]

When you use dir, mir, and ich?

[narrow pier]

danke

[ancient pulsar]

You will need it during your exams. - Sie werden sie während Ihrer Prüfungen benötigen.

why benötigen?

and not brauchen

can we say Sie gucken wütend.

instead of sehen...aus

what would be the difference?

[hollow ether]

There are multiple ways to express the same thing

It's just a matter of preference or what feels like a better fit in the sentence

[hollow ether]

To me that means "you're looking at me angry" rather than "you look angry"

Wütend is an adverb there rather than an adjective

[hollow ether]

Dir is "you", mir is "me/i" in the dative case.
Ich is "me/i" in the nominative case.

Look up the German grammatical cases if you're not aware of them yet

[sleek narwhal]

could somebody recommend to me some good minecraft YouTuber?
something to the style of Grian

[shut briar]

Wie hätte meine Präsentation besser sein können

Wie mache ich einen Nebensatz daraus?

Hätte kommt an das Ende oder

"Wie meine Präsentation besser sein können hätte"

Deepl hat normalerweise Recht aber in diesem Fall sagt es dass 'hätte' bevor sein kommt

Am i missing something or Deepl is wrong?

[scenic drift]

things get messy when you start using modals

"besser hätte sein können" in this case, i think.

scroll down to the bottom here: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/WordOrder/Dependent.html

[narrow pier]

ich habe ein frage bitte

[scenic drift]

in which case, please ask the question :)

[narrow pier]

1. Ein Bekannter, Herr Hans Pitufis, hat Sie zu ihrem
   Geburtstagsparty am Samstag eingeladen. Schreiben Sie an
   Herr Pitufis.

is it ihrem or seiner and why`?

[scenic drift]

should be "seiner", surely.

[narrow pier]

but isn't geburstagparty feminin so isnt is ihr i am confused

[scenic drift]

the choice of "ihrer" or "seiner" depends on who is inviting, not the gender of the word "Party".
"Sie hat mich zu ihrer Geburtstagsparty eingeladen": She invited me to her birthday party.
"Er hat mich zu seiner Geburtstagsparty eingeladen": He invited me to his birthday party.

[narrow pier]

oh so the gender plays a role of the end of the seiner and ihrer

[scenic drift]

yes :)

[narrow pier]

i understand now, verstanden, thanksss

[scenic drift]

note it's the gender of "Party" and the use of the preposition "zu" :)

jemanden (accusative) zu etw (dative) einladen

[fading scarab]

Are both of these sentences correct? And if so, what sounds better?: Die Geburtstagsfeier war eine Überraschung für den Bruder oder Die Geburtstagsfeier war für den Bruder eine Überraschung

[narrow pier]

danke

i am very sorry what do you mean by( zu etw )? i do know that etw means something

[lean bridge]

Danke

[scenic drift]

i'm saying that the general structure is:
jemanden zu etwas einladen, where the "etwas" is in the dative. for example:
jemanden zu einer Party einladen
jemanden zu einer Hochzeit einladen

[narrow pier]

danke dir

[mellow nova]

you wrote accusative by accident

[soft mica]

What's the most common way to type out German letters on a US keyboard?

[scenic drift]

thank you for the catch :)

[scenic drift]

please do >faq keyboard in #botchannel :)

[rapid creek]

you can search on settings for keyboard. Or you always substitute umlauts as ae, oe, ue or for s tset use doppel s

[mellow nova]

eszett

[narrow pier]

hi, i have a small question, if it says ( - Fragen Sie: Wie kommen Sie zu Hannas Wohnung? - ) shoud you ask for a way of transportation like taking the bus or taxi, ?

[mellow nova]

kommen in this case is asking for like direction

[narrow pier]

oh yeah

danke

[swift bough]

Actually it can be asking for both tbh

You could interpret it as either, with which method of transportation, or in which direction/using which streets etc

Or it could be both.

You can answer it how you want and if the other person also wants to know the other part of info they can just ask

[narrow pier]

makes sense

👍

[mellow nova]

Is there an overarching rule for collective nouns? I know in American English they are treated as singular, while in British English they're plural, which is it for German? i.e das Gebäck ist oder sind

[night dagger]

es ist wie die Käse vs der Käse, oder?

[mellow nova]

collective noun is (in american english) a singular noun that encompasses a logically plural concept

like a couple

or a class

[night dagger]

hmm vielleicht geht das über mein Verständnis

aber vielleicht nicht, da ich glaub, es ist tatsächlich so wie ich gedacht hatte

[mellow nova]

das Gebäck : pastries

[upper ember]

Some collective nouns are singularia tantum in German, while their English equivalents are pluralia tantum: der Dank (thanks), das Gebäck (baked goods; pastries), die Moral (morals), das Vieh (cattle).

[mellow nova]

singular noun, plural concept

[night dagger]

klar, wie der Käse vs die Käse. das Gebäck vs die Gebäcke. ich glaub, es ist halt zufällig

Substanz vs Sorten

[mellow nova]

i'm not asking why/if they're plural i'm asking if they use plural verb conjugation a la british english

[upper ember]

SINGULARIA TANTUM bedeutet, dass das Wort im Singular verwendet wird. o.O

Das Gebaeck ist...

[night dagger]

ich glaub, ja.

🤷 warum nicht?

[mellow nova]

🤦‍♂️

[swift bough]

Afaik it won’t be treated as plural conjugationwise unless it actually has die as it’s article.

[autumn marsh]

das Paar geht
die Kombination ist
das Gemüse ist

etc

[upper ember]

Ich gehe davon aus, dass du "das sind" gesehen hast und das dir fremd vorgekommen ist.. 😮

[swift bough]

Like „Bizeps“ is „der“ but refers to both your arms, you still say „Der Bizeps ist“

[night dagger]

hmm

[mellow nova]

thank you lol that's what i was talking about

[autumn marsh]

well Bizeps has a regular plural tho https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bizeps

[night dagger]

@mellow nova

[swift bough]

It’s the same for other nouns like that I can’t think of an exception atm

Der Obst ist
Das Gemüse ist

[autumn marsh]

"die Bizepse sind in diesem Fitnesstudio besonders groß"

[swift bough]

Doesn’t that refer to multiple pairs of arms though

So multiple peoples biceps on both their arms

[autumn marsh]

ehh what

[swift bough]

der Bizeps refers to both your arms, does it not

[autumn marsh]

your (right arm) Bizeps = mein rechter Bizeps

[swift bough]

In English you can refer to a single bicep by just saying bicep

[swift bough]

Ok yeah that makes sense too

[autumn marsh]

well. it's a tricky one, so the thing is if you train your bizeps often you train both of them at the same time, so when refering to them as a whole, you also say: "mein Bizeps ist geschwollen"

[mellow nova]

lmao is geschwollen swole or does it mean swollen

[autumn marsh]

so that is correct, it's often used for both arms but just using singular

but ofc you can diferentiate between them, if that's needed

for example you can say: "ich trainiere erst meinen rechten Bizeps mit der Kurzhantel, dann meinen linken."

[swift bough]

I’ve never heard someone use linke Rechte with it but it makes sense that way

[autumn marsh]

either way, words that refer to multiple things are used in singular, bare some exceptions that i might not be aware of

[swift bough]

So that is what my question is referring to
Since usually if you just say Bizeps without Rechte or linke it means both your arms
If you say Bizepse doesn’t that mean like two or more peoples pairs of them?

[autumn marsh]

"das Paar" is a good example

or, say, "die Mädchenbande"

"Die Mädchenbande geht Schlittschuhlaufen."

[autumn marsh]

not necessarily, so for example if you say: "Meine Bizepse sind nicht gleichmäßig gewachsen, mein rechter ist dicker als mein linker"

i guess some might use the singular then but it'd cause confusion

[mellow nova]

but in that you're referring to them as different entities ie not collective

so I think der Bizeps is still an example of collective

[autumn marsh]

or, well it might, cause one would understand it - just hearing the first part of the whole sentence - that the biceps itself grew "unevenly"

[swift bough]

So in that case you use bizepse because you’re comparing the right to the left?

[autumn marsh]

because i'm refering to both of them

[upper ember]

Wer weiß? Wen störts? :P

[autumn marsh]

if i say "Mein Bizeps ist nicht gleichmäßig gewachsen" leaving out the other half of the sentence, it sounds like it has an unnatural shape, sort of

[swift bough]

But Bizeps also refers to both

That’s where my confusion lies now xD

[autumn marsh]

if you want to say that your two biceps didn't grew equally in size, you'd have to use "Bizepse"

[swift bough]

Ok got it

[autumn marsh]

well again, as i said: it's because usually you train them equally 😄

one is just as big as the other (more or less)

you also speak of "my ass" (mein Arsch), although it's two muscles :>

i mean, i'll definitely agree with you that it's a tricky case 😄

[mellow nova]

Are they called Sammelbegriff in german

is that a normal grammar term

[autumn marsh]

idk about the grammatical term, but "Sammelbegriff" usually refers to something like, say, "Farbe", which is a Sammelbegriff for all colours

or "Backwaren", for all sorts of bread etc.

[mellow nova]

yes that's what a collective noun is

[upper ember]

Wow, ich wusste nicht dass es dafür einen Begriff gab.

[autumn marsh]

i mean, "Backwaren" would have to be used in plural, as indicated by it's ending 😛

[mellow nova]

nvm i give up trying to talk about this topic xd

[swift bough]

The whole biceps thing is different in English so that’s also why it’s kinda confusing but I will definitely at least remember the example with them growing

[autumn marsh]

"Die Backware wird im Ofen zubereitet", but "Die Backwaren werden im Ofen zubereitet" is equally valid

[night dagger]

@mellow nova guck einfach in "Hammer's German Grammar and Usage"

[zealous lake]

Ich finde es schwierig , die deutsche Sprache zu lernen , welche Tipps finden sie gut , um sie zu meistern ?

[upper ember]

Warum findest du es so schwierig?

[lean bridge]

Is "Ihr sind die arbeiter von Amerika" correct

Oh

Apparently no

It should be... Sie sind the arbeiter von amerika.

Now

I get confused on whether what to use, von or aus.

[fervent kernel]

Sie sind die Arbeiter aus Amerika
they are the workers from America

[lean bridge]

But can you clarify, when to use aus and von? Srry hehe

[fervent kernel]

https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/10311/aus-vs-von-what-is-the-difference#:~:text="Von" is used in front,building or means of transport.

[lean bridge]

Oh,

I have so many questions, srry

[charred fog]

Really for most prepositions just consume media and pay attention to how they're used and you'll get the hang of it

[swift bough]

Prepositions are one of the hardest things to master for any language that has them

[marsh quarry]

Was ist ein "ß"

[scenic drift]

like... what does it mean? it's pronounced like "ss" but not entirely interchangeable

[marsh quarry]

We ßee

ßchnell und groß flugzeug

Is that right?

[mellow nova]

no

[scenic drift]

uh, only the "groß" is...

[marsh quarry]

So it's basically just a capital B then?

[mellow nova]

can you like read the answer you got

[hardy thicket]

the weird looking b actually represents "ss"

[mellow nova]

it would've told you that what you wrote is wrong and that what you just said is also wrong

[scenic drift]

did you read what i wrote...

(and if no, why bother asking a question if you're not going to read the answer 😅 )

[fervent kernel]

When would you use das as "The" because der and die represent male and female

[scenic drift]

for neuter words :)

[fervent kernel]

Example?

[scenic drift]

do >faq gender in #botchannel for more explanations

[fervent kernel]

K

[scenic drift]

basically, words in german can have one of three genders (masculine, feminine, neuter)

das Haus is an example of a neuter word :)

[fervent kernel]

Ohh

So objects/things

I'm guessing Haus means house?

[merry wing]

No, don't think of grammatical gender as biological gender

[fervent kernel]

Wym grammatical gender

[mellow nova]

das Mädchen - the girl, neuter

obviously girls aren't neuter

[fervent kernel]

So wouldn't it be die mädchen

[mellow nova]

no

that's why seb said that

you can type >faq gender (or it might be >faq grammatical gender) in #botchannel

[scenic drift]

another example: der Wagen (the car), which is masculine despite being an object 😉

and also das Fräulein (young woman - very dated, though!), which is neuter despite referring to a female person 😉

[fervent kernel]

Either it's that I'm too stupid or too tired to understand

Idk maybe both lol

Thx for the help tho

[scenic drift]

what's confusing you still?

[fervent kernel]

Because how can a woman be nuter but she also is not

[scenic drift]

actually, is your native language english or something else?

[fervent kernel]

English

[scenic drift]

you know how in english boats are called "She"?

[merry wing]

It's a rather arbitrary system, so looking for logic will only confuse you.

[fervent kernel]

Yes @scenic drift

[scenic drift]

it's kinda the same thing 🤔 boats aren't female and yet we call them she.

[fervent kernel]

Ohh

Like a car

[scenic drift]

yes.

but in german, a car can be "he" (der Wagen) or "it" (das Auto)

[fervent kernel]

So technically would die car and Das car both be correct

[scenic drift]

well, no, because "Car" isn't a word in german 😆

[autumn marsh]

guess you're refering to Diminutive, words ending with -lein or -chen ... they're always neuter. the grammtical gender has nothing to do with the grammatical gender, free your mind 🙂

[fervent kernel]

I didn't learn what car meant yet😭😭😭

[scenic drift]

i have given you their words right here :)

[fervent kernel]

Ohh I'm blind

[scenic drift]

the car - "der Wagen" (masculine) or "das Auto" (neuter)

[fervent kernel]

Wait is car Wagen or auto?

[scenic drift]

(but note you can't say e.g. "das Wagen"! it's "Wagen" that is gendered male)

[scenic drift]

both 😉

[fervent kernel]

Gotcha

Now I gotta learn how to say these words with a German accent

[celest pollen]

aufgabe ist fertig
gut?

[scenic drift]

Die Aufgabe ist fertig :)

[celest pollen]

Ist da Deutsche leute hier

✅ or❌

[scenic drift]

"Gibt es hier Deutsche?" :)

"Es gibt..." is how you'd express "There is..."

"Gibt es..." = "Is there...."

[celest pollen]

im dumbass....
ok thx

[scenic drift]

"Da" = there (in that location, or at that time)

"Die Deutschen sind da, neben dem Museum." = "The Germans are there, next to the museum", while pointing to where they are standing :)

[celest pollen]

da - here / there / that
dort - ( futher away )

I can't use "da" to ask if "the Germans are here" ?

I can only use "da" to say that they're already somewhere.

[mellow nova]

da is for things in your vision or previously mentioned information

dort is for things not in your general vicintiy

[celest pollen]

Wo befindet sich Deutsch leute ?
✅ ❌
or "befindet sich" is only for things, not live things?

[cyan quartz]

You use "befindet sich" to ask for the location of sth. Like:
"Wo befinden sich die Toiletten?" - Where are the toilets located?

[cyan quartz]

That sounds like the germans are hiding somewhere 😄

[mellow nova]

sneaky germans

[kind anvil]

Hallo hallo ich habe eine Frage

In diesem Satz: Du musst dein Leben selbst in die Hand nehmen

Warum sagen wir "in die Hand" und nicht "in der Hand", ich habe gedacht, dass es in Dativ casus war?

[mellow nova]

in is a Wechselpräposition, check the pins in #questions

there is a venn diagram of dative/accusative/both prepositions

It takes dative when describing a location and accusative when describing movement

[kind anvil]

Ah so in this case, "in die Hand nehmen" counts as motion

Danke schön :)

[kind anvil]

Ich sehe es. Danke :)

[delicate tiger]

"wäschen" andere Form; "auf man verlassen" man falsches Wort;

"...auf einen verlassen können"

[slate bloom]

can I say "mein Interesse liegt beim Design"? does it sound natural?

[delicate tiger]

"Ich interessiere mich für Design"

[slate bloom]

oh, so there's no other way to say it?:(

[delicate tiger]

Design ist meine Leidenschaft (geht, aber nicht so schön)

[slate bloom]

ah, too bad 😦 then in what context can "mein Interesse liegt..." be used, if at all?

[fallen galleon]

isn't it die Interesse

also die Interesse

[fervent kernel]

Hoffentlich du hast nächste Woche mehr Zeit

Is this right?

[fallen galleon]

no

check out the word order

[long whale]

No. It's "das Interesse", "die Interessen" :)

[fallen galleon]

oh okay

it seemed like feminine to me at the first time for some reason

[long whale]

The [conjugated] verb must be in 2nd position in a main clause. :)

[long whale]

You can say "mein Interesse gilt dem Design". Sounds slightly stilted to me, but it works. :)

[slate bloom]

ooh interesting! thank you:)

[fervent kernel]

Oooooh!

I totally forgot that!

And what if I wrote "Hoffentlich, du hast mehr Zeit"

Would adding a coma make this word order ok?

[fervent kernel]

no too bad 😔

[proven sphinx]

That wouldn't work either.

It simply has to be "Hoffentlich hast du mehr Zeit". There's no way around it, really.

[haughty kayak]

what are the masculine and finimin in german?

[scenic drift]

What do you mean?

Maybe do >faq gender in #botchannel for the basics @haughty kayak :)

[haughty kayak]

is there fiimin nouns and masculin nouns?

[unique dune]

i love that people like mikey exist so the rest of us can be as unhelpful as we please

[scenic drift]

Yes. There are also neuter nouns. Please read the faq I linked which explains it :)

Helping in GLaD my one source of serotonin

[unique dune]

[lunar crown]

Was ist die Unterschied zwischen Giganten und Riesen? Sind sie dasselbe?

[icy flax]

*der Unterschied
Riese wird häufiger benutzt als Gigant.
https://www.dwds.de/wb/Riese
https://www.dwds.de/wb/Gigant

[lunar crown]

Okay, danke! Welche app ist das?

ah no es gibt die site-links- okok danke schön ahah

[fervent kernel]

„Mit einem sehr wichtigen Thema“

Warum dekliniert da „wichtig“ zu „wichtigen“?

[long whale]

mit requires Dativ -> faq Adjektivdeklination in #botchannel :)

[cyan mountain]

Depends on the culture of said company.
Nowadays its rather common to just use the first name to use du when referring to them.

Just try and mimic what the others are doing

That's how I do it.

Japan will be fun when me, a empathy lacking person tries and read the air :^)

[shut briar]

Er wandte sich in seinem Leben nie willentlich einer Person oder einem Ort zu, die Dinge spiegelten Lichter auf den Teich seiner Seele und diese Reflexe vernahm er als geheimnisvolle Regungen, die ihn zu den Dingen hinzogen, nicht unähnlich den Wannen, die den Fluss des Wassers zu sich hinablocken

Das Wort an der ganz letzten Position gibt es nicht im Wörterbuch

hinablocken

[sly ferry]

because it's two words hinab locken

[shut briar]

Aah, I read it in book, there it was written as a single word

[long whale]

Yeah, writing it as a single word is fine, it's just that you need to check "hinab" and "locken" separately. ;)

[shut briar]

Oh okay, just like many compound words aren't there in the dictionary

So this would mean to lure down

[shut briar]

So past tense doesn't work the same way in German as it does in English. For the most part, Präteritum is for written german and perfect for spoken. This is what I was told in the beginning

So I'm trying to make sense of it now that I'm starting to read.

"Er ist in 1962 in Zürich geboren. Er studierte an der Universität Zürich Mathematik."

This is written at the back of a book, in biography section

Except the first sentence everything else in Präteritum

So how does someone decide, how do I decide, which one to use and when, when writing

[proven sphinx]

"geboren" is a weird case. It's mostly used in the Perfekt. And this is a passive sentence as well, so that's already a bit different than an active one.

[shut briar]

Oh okay so it's idiomatic.

[proven sphinx]

What's a bit weirder here is "in 1962". Many people say that, but it's not really correct. It should just be "1962" without the preposition.

[proven sphinx]

It always depends on the verb. Modal verbs and verbs like "sein" and "haben" are almost always used in the Präteritum, even in speech.

[shut briar]

That's my bad, I keep making this mistake

[proven sphinx]

Something like "Ich konnte ihm nicht glauben" is very much the normal form. "Ich habe ihm nicht glauben können" sounds quite odd.

[shut briar]

Okay, so it depends on the verb, both in written and spoken

But you know, I have definitely a lot pf times heard people say ich habe gehabt

[proven sphinx]

Kind of, but written language uses it with most verbs, really.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it's not unheard of, especially in the south.

There's a regional difference as well.

[shut briar]

Does that not change the tone or something

[proven sphinx]

Präteritum is more common in the north.

Southern dialects like Swiss German don't even have a Präteritum tense, which tends to influence how they speak Standard German as well.

[shut briar]

Oh i didn't know that

I'm actually reading from a swiss writer, but he has used Präteritum

[proven sphinx]

So it's really a combination of regional factors (north vs south), formality and written vs spoken language.

[proven sphinx]

All writers mostly use the Präteritum, no matter where they come from.

[shut briar]

Right, i'll slowly develop the sense

[proven sphinx]

There's no difference in meaning between the Präteritum and the Perfekt. It's really just a matter of knowing that modal verbs as well as "sein" and "haben" almost always use the Präteritum in Standard German.

Writers just use it because it seems more fancy, basically. 😂

[shut briar]

Oh but you know what, there are sentences, I'm talking about English here, that have sort of double past

"The train had already left, when I reached there". Perfect for the first event, simple past for the recent one

Does German do this?

Now that I think about this, i learned the Plusquamperfekt formation, but not when it's used

[wise pendant]

Der Zug hatte den Bahnhof bereits verlassen, als ich dort ankam.

[shut briar]

Oh okay so it does do that

And i think i got confused. It was present perfect (not past perfect) vs Präteritum

All clear

[mellow nova]

Plusquamperfekt / past perfect

[slim yew]

is it possible to put the ich to the front

[flint sphinx]

Before bei?

[slim yew]

yes

like ich begins the sentence

cuz the german version is like
during a thunderstorm i stay in the house prefer

[scenic drift]

yes, you can put the ich in the front

(also, note the difference between "bleibe" and "bliebe" - ie and ei are easy to confuse :) )

[slim yew]

what will the sentence be when ich goes to the front

[scenic drift]

"Ich bleibe bei Gewitter lieber zu Hause", i think?

[slim yew]

thanks

[celest pollen]

Wie kann man diese tabletten dosieren?
✅ ❌

[fervent kernel]

U w U

[fervent kernel]

grammatically correct but doesn't make too much sense I think. What exactly did you wanna translate?

[fervent kernel]

Hey, Ist das ok wenn ich wirklich dir Personalnachricht schicke, wann ich Probleme beim Lernen habe? Ich bin übrigens ein Webentwickler 🙂

Ja, gerne! 🙂

Und nice, bin auch einer. ^^

[fervent kernel]

What's the relationship between Ziehen and Zug?

[mellow nova]

that they both start with z

[left crown]

Wenn man zieht löst man einen Zug aus

Oder ein Zugtier zieht etwas

[fervent kernel]

lol

Du denkst, du hast recht, aber ist stimme dir nicht

Is this first coma really necessary?

The English translation would have only a single coma

[mellow nova]

english doesn't use commas before noun phrases

and german=/=english

[left crown]

Yes, it is a „Einschub“ requiring a comma

[fervent kernel]

I'm not talking about the word "Zug" on its own, but rather when it is forming a compound word.

For example:

Einzug 
Auszug 
Aufzug 
Abzug 
Vorzug

[left crown]

Noun Enzug — Verb Einziehen
Abzug — Abziehen
and so on

[fervent kernel]

So, like... Wiederholen turns into wiederholung

Ziehen turns into Zug?

[left crown]

I think so

„Substantivierung“

[fervent kernel]

Is this like the irregular noun of substantivization?

Because there are regular words like Wiederholen, that have a very foreseeable noun version (just add an -ung) and there is Ziehen, which turns into a completely different word.

[glass hawk]

I'm completely guessing, but I'd imagine there's a time/age difference at play here. German Wiktionary says ‘Zug’ has been attested for about a millennium. That's plenty of time for forms to diverge.

[void pebble]

hey guys, could you help me with my hw?

https://www.schubert-verlag.de/audio/1.51_begegnungen_a1.mp3

this is the audio, i don't know what to write here

the mango one, it should be at the end. anyone know what she says?

[glass hawk]

The seller describes the mangos when pointing them out. Can you hear how she describes them? I'm guessing that's the answer the worksheet is looking for (instead of what the buyer says like the other answers were)

[void pebble]

nope, i can't hear it ;_;

i hear
Wie haben [???] Mangos.
[?????] sehr gut.

[glass hawk]

||Wir haben noch süße Mangos—die schmecken sehr gut.||

[void pebble]

;A; thank you

does die mean they?

they taste really good?

[signal perch]

Is there a way to translate something like "do" as an emphasis?

Ex: I agree that you dont need to take a course. I do think that it is a good motivator though.

[proven sphinx]

The modal particles are used for that, such as "doch".

Ich denke aber doch, dass es eine gute Motivation ist.

[signal perch]

Ahh got it, thanks!

[steep glacier]

Hallo! I was watching Dark, and I saw this Albert Einstein quote, which I thought was really cool! I just have one question: shouldn’t the verb “ist” be in the second spot? This goes against one of the German rules I was taught. Thanks!

Is it possible that for some reason the whole half of the sentence is only “one” part? It sure doesn’t seem like it though.

[wise pendant]

That is correct, the whole noun sorta is "Der Unterschied [...] und Zukunft"

[steep glacier]

Thanks!

[wind cradle]

stack vs heap ?

[scenic drift]

... in german or in computer science?

[wind cradle]

cs

[scenic drift]

not the right channel, these channels are for questions about the german language :P

maybe go to #coding .

[long whale]

In case this didn't get answered: you can make any verb into a noun by capitalizing the infinitive form (and those nouns are always neuter): ziehen -> das Ziehen, and then it's the activity of verb-ing -> das Ziehen = the act/activity of pulling/moving. der Zug = the move/pull. Look at "bauen" (to build): das Bauen = the activity of building vs. der Bau = the building, the house itself. :)

[celest pollen]

Ich erzähle immer, dass ich tiere liebe

✅ ❌

[long whale]

Check spelling of verb. Tiere - capitalization of nouns isn't optional in German. :)

[celest pollen]

aa i have to schreib Tiere with big letter
ja?

Danke Sussan fur deine zeit. Fur mich

[long whale]

More important: liebie -> liebe

[celest pollen]

Question

What function does "gegangen" have in Mr. Hilarious's sentence

And the same ging in Delia's

Because it is "gehen" conjugated and I don't know how to translate it, is it a rule that it is added and that's it

And what sentence formation it is. perfect ?

[mellow nova]

bin gegangen is Perfekt of gehen, ging is Präteritum

kaputt gehen means to break

[celest pollen]

Ok

Why in your sentence is partizip 2 and then "bin"

Couldn't it be

Wahrend ich bin zur Arbeit gefahren, ging mein Auto kaputt

And this "ging" is a prateritum, does it have a specific sentence structure? Because I can't find it and sometimes it's just "Ich hatte einmal einen Hund.

and sometimes it's like you changed it in the second part of the sentence

[tropic thistle]

No, it can't be während ich bin zur Arbeit gefahren, because that section is a Nebensatz (subordinate clause). In main clauses (Hauptsätze) the conjugated verb (the bit that takes endings to agree with the subject) is in second position, but in Nebensätze it goes at the end. That is why it has to be während ich zur Arbeit gefahren bin .

The difference in placement of ging and hatte has to do with the fact that in Delli's correction, the entire Nebensatz is taking the "first position," so the conjugated verb ging has to come next in second position. In sentences like "Ich hatte einmal..." it's just the subject in first position. But all this follows from the general verb placement rules.

[fervent kernel]

Wow

[fervent kernel]

Is Nien Problem Correct or is only Kien Problem Correct

[proven sphinx]

Don't write the same question in two channels, by the way. I already answered your question in the other channel anyway.

[fervent kernel]

Ik I thought bc no one wrote in this channel since 2 hours ago no one checked

Sorry

[ancient pulsar]

Hey why are you standing outside?
Ich warte darauf, einen Freund zu treffen.

is this correct usage of da compound and dependent infinitive?

Ich warte auf einen Freund. would be another variation, the idea is the same

but i am interested in the first one, whether it is natural or excessive

[upper ember]

Ich glaube eher, dass es der deutschen Grammatik nach notwendig ist, darauf zu sagen. =]

[ancient pulsar]

vielen Dank

[fervent kernel]

In dem oben genannten Kontext eher letzteres

its excessive

[ancient pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-no-no-emote-emote-nooo-emote-gif-23071619

[fervent kernel]

The second one is i`m wating for a friend

[ancient pulsar]

yeah ig it is simpler

[fervent kernel]

the first one is more like im waiting for meeting a friend

[fervent kernel]

so you are waiting for the action, the meeting, but not the person

second: im waiting for a friend;
first one: im waiting for meeting a friend

still confused?

[ancient pulsar]

no no

i knew the translations

but wanted to know whether the first one would be ok in that context

it could be simpler as i notice

so in what context i would use the first one?

[fervent kernel]

you would rather use the second one

[ancient pulsar]

i mean where can i use the first one?

[fervent kernel]

thats a good question

i would say in general, when you are like going to a party and are expecting meeting a friend

so like if you are not sure, whether you meet someone or not

[upper ember]

Die haben halt andere Bedeutungen

Mach dir keine großen Sorgen dabei :)

Worauf wartest du?

Ich warte darauf, einen Freund zu treffen.

Auf wen wartest du?

Ich warte auf einen Freund.

[ancient pulsar]

oh that explains it

it is about emphasis

thank you

[gleaming python]

Hallo

Ich habe eine frage.

Darf ich frage?

So meinen frage ist
Where to use dann/weil in nebensatz?

[tropic cedar]

Is there a deutsch wort for parasailing?

[proven sphinx]

Gleitsegeln or Gleitsegelfliegen

[tropic cedar]

Thanks

Is there a better german translation for " especially if you spend it with someone you love? "

[hollow ether]

Besonders wenn du es mit jemandem verbringst, den du liebst

PS try using deepl.com for translations. It's really good for German

[flint sphinx]

Sagt (oder "sag"?) man "es gehts" oder "es geht" in Beantwortung von "wie geht's"?

oder ist es egal

[swift bough]

es geht

und "sagt" ist richtig

"sagt man"

[flint sphinx]

danke

[dim mirage]

heard my friend say it, what is panzerkampf

[swift bough]

means literally "tank fight"

probably more elegantly translated as "tank combat"

[dim mirage]

oh

then panzer is tank?

[swift bough]

yeah

[dim mirage]

thx

[brave knot]

ich muss eine Job-Angebot ablehnen, und wurde mich freuen, wenn mir jemanden das Schreiben korrigieren könnte. :) ich möchte die Stelle möglichst höflich ablehnen. Eine Sache die mir dabei schwer fällt, ist welches Höflichkeitsform ich verwenden soll. Bei der Bewerbungsgespräch war irgendwie alles per Vorname aber ich habe mich auch dabei Wege versucht, nicht Wörter wie "Du" oder "Sie" zu verwenden weil ich bei sowas echt Angst habe, dass ich etwas komisches/beleidigendes sage....

leider muss ich mitteilen, dass ich mich entschieden habe, die Stelle nicht anzunehmen. Obwohl ich nach wie vor vom [Firmenname]-Konzept sehr begeistert bin, ist meiner Zukunft noch zu ungewiss um mit guten Gewissen eine so Verantwortungsvolle Stelle anzunehmen. Mich hat es sehr gefreut Euch kennen zu lernen und ich wünsche Euch alles bestens mit der weiteren Suche nach Kandidaten.

[wise pendant]

*muss ich Ihnen/Euch mitteilen
*mich dazu entschieden
*meine Zukunft
*zu ungewiss, um
*verantwortungsvolle
*alles Gute

Ob du oder Sie musst du selber wissen

[long whale]

*mit gutem Gewissen

[brave knot]

cool danke

wäre anscheinend wieder Zeit, Grammatik zu üben 😅

[amber agate]

Why do we say zu früh and not just früh in the following sentence?
Sein Flugzeug ist 15 Minuten zu früh.

[wise pendant]

Because it's "too early"

[amber agate]

Oh, right. Given the original sentence for translation, is it still correct to include zu?
His plane will arrive in 15 minutes early.

It's a sentence from #study-tasks

[wise pendant]

You might use "früher" but "früh" alone doesn't work

[charred harbor]

The English sentence is slightly grammatically wrong there

Either the “in” or the “early” should be gone. Has to be one or the other, not both

[amber agate]

Yeah, exactly my thought. Thanks for the input

[amber agate]

That's what I was missing. In my mother tongue, it would be the same as in german, either früher or zu früh, but not früh alone. Thanks for the answer, now it makes sense

I'm just a beginner, so I don't feel what's right and what isn't just by reading the sentence. I'm looking forward to the time when it becomes that easy

[mental furnace]

Hallo Leute, ich möchte die Unterschiede von 2 Wörter stellen. Probieren und versuchen ist austauschbar? Und zweitens was ist echte Unterschiede unter “probieren,anprobieren und ausprobieren” ?

[scenic drift]

please don't post the same question in multiple channels @mental furnace :)

[narrow pier]

hi guys i have a question, if you say - your girlfriend = ihre fruendin

but how can you say your friend thats a girl

ngl its confusing in englisch too

[scenic drift]

you could say "eine Freundin von mir" which makes it fairly clear that you're not talking about a girlfriend. context can usually handle it too, or another word (Bekannte, Kollegin...)

[scenic drift]

not sure i agree on this, mind you 🤔

[narrow pier]

yeah

[scenic drift]

'cause in english "girlfriend" doesn't mean anything other than a romantic attachment except in some (limited) areas

[proven sphinx]

As Mikey said above, you can just say "eine Freundin von mir" to make it clear that you're not romantically involved.

[narrow pier]

right thanksss

[ancient pulsar]

(i) Sie sagte, dass er, wenn er am Wochenende kommen sollte, bei ihrer Mutter übernachten könnte
(ii) Sie sagte,dass er bei ihrer Mutter übernachten könnte, wenn er am Wochenende kommen sollte
(iii) Sie sagte, dass, wenn er am Wochenende kommen sollte, er bei ihrerMutter übernachten könnte

2nd one seems the best option here

3rd is obviously too complicated

wb the 1st one?

[swift bough]

The first one sounds fine and so does the second

The third one is definitely pretty strange

Works, but doesn’t sound like how people talk

[whole portal]

Second one is probably my favourite

Altho I think "falls" instead of "wenn" would be a little better

[swift bough]

Yeah it’s the easiest one I think

[merry wing]

Jetzt krabbelt das Mäuschen ins Häuschen hinein.
What function does hinein serve in this example?

[proven sphinx]

It means like "into" something, like a place. Moving from one place into another.

[swift bough]

Yeah, also it’s probably because it’s a separable Verb. So the whole Verb is actually „hineinkrabbeln“.

[merry wing]

Aaah!

The ins+hinein combo confused me, but that makes sense

[swift bough]

But like Raven said, it does have an actual meaning

„hin“ implies moving away from the speaker

the ein part is basically like „in“

[merry wing]

I guess it's cognate with Norwegian "hin", meaning "the other"

[swift bough]

There is also the word „herein“, which means the opposite

„Her“ from the perspective of the speaker means someone or something is moving towards you, instead of away

So you may hear a German say something like „komm jetzt doch her/hierher“ to their child

Which means come here

[merry wing]

What exactly happens to the meaning of the Mäuschen-sentence above if I omit hinein?

The little mouse still crawls into the little house, right?

[swift bough]

It means the same thing, except it takes the emphasis off the speaker’s perspective

[merry wing]

I.e. jetzt krabbelt das Mäuschen ins Häuschen. Or is that not possible due to hineinkrabbeln being the verb?

Ah ok

[swift bough]

It still works as a sentence

Krabbeln exists by itself

hinein-krabbeln couldn’t exist without krabbeln first existing

Since it is separable

Btw

[merry wing]

Yeah true

[swift bough]

In colloquial speech, the most common word is „rein“, which is a word that is used to represent both hinein and herein

[merry wing]

Oh, interesting!

[swift bough]

Hinein and herein are a little more like

Fancy

[merry wing]

Gotcha

Thanks a bunch ^^

[swift bough]

There is a similar thing for heraus and hinaus which is „raus“

Np

[thorny urchin]

Okay, so what is actually the difference between the Perfekt and Partizip II? Cause it feels to me like they are built in the same way?

[proven sphinx]

The Perfekt is the entire tense, whereas the Partizip II ist just that one word like "gemacht", "gesungen", "gedacht", "gewesen" etc.

"Ich habe das gemacht" is a sentence in the Perfekt, but only "gemacht" is the Partizip II.

[thorny urchin]

Ahaaaa, so Perfekt is the tense of the sentence and Partizip II is the word itself. Thanks

That is why I was so confused because I thought it was the same thing, which it kind of is

[thorny urchin]

@dim lily Okay, so now tell us what you want to know?

[celest pollen]

Mein tasche ging verloren ✅❌

[dim lily]

Ubung 3 -b

Bitte

[scenic drift]

i don't see your solution...?

have you tried to solve it yourself?

[dim lily]

Hier

I tried

[scenic drift]

i can see answers for 3a but not 3b - is it 3a that you want checked?

3a looks all correct to me

[lyric pawn]

3b is just asking you to fill in the missing sentences from part a.

you don't have to do anything other than rewrite sentences 3 and 5

[fervent hollow]

Ist der Satz, der ich geschrieben hatte, grammatikalisch richtig?

Früher hat er mir gesagt dass er eine Beschwerde geschrieben habe

[fervent kernel]

Früher hat er mir gesagt, dass er eine Beschwerde geschrieben hat.

Almost

[fervent kernel]

"früher" sounds like "in early times". What exactly do you wanna say with it?

[scenic drift]

i think the "habe" here was a conscious attempt to use the subjunctive, no?

[swift bough]

„Ist der Satz, den ich geschrieben habe…“
Übrigens

[scenic drift]

(in which case it doesn't need correction; it's just the addition of a comma that does)

[fervent kernel]

Oooh

[swift bough]

It’s definitely not incorrect it’s just maybe not what most people would actually say in a casual chat

[fervent kernel]

I'm sorry. you're right.

My bad xD

[fervent kernel]

Yes it seems fine. Only the comma was missing

[swift bough]

Random question for a native - is there a difference between Düse and Tülle?
They both have „nozzle“ as one of their possible translations in dictionaries

[fervent hollow]

Yes, subjunktiv eins

Also if it isn't used in regular speech is not using subjunktiv eins just as valid as using it's Präsens counterpart?

In the same context

As In

[swift bough]

You mean using hat instead

Cuz you did actually use past tense

But yeah so

The way that native corrected you was based on how they would’ve said that spontaneously

[fervent hollow]

Mein Bruder hat mir gesagt dass unsere Lehrerin krank sei/mein Bruder hat mir gesagt dass unsere Lehrerin krank ist

[swift bough]

Subjunctive I does rarely occur in spoken language, but the majority of the cases that occurs in are when you actually use the subjunctive II instead, which occurs because it will end up looking like the present tense instead sometimes. For example:

Er hat gesagt, wir müssen es erledigen.
Er hat gesagt, wir müssten es erledigen.

In the first sentence, the form is the same for both present tense and subjunctive I

So to make the distinction you often just subjunctive II instead

It’s a bit of a complex topic honestly

[fervent hollow]

Ok so subjunktiv eins is rarely used in the past tense basically?

Idk

I read that wrong

[swift bough]

That’s not what I mean

It’s rarely used in general

Not just in the past tens e

It’s most common in news articles, the news on TV, newspaper, etc

[fervent hollow]

Ok

[swift bough]

The main function is to report what someone else said. You’re putting distance between yourself and someone else’s statements.

This helps make sure people don’t think it’s you who actually thinks whatever it is you say

[fervent hollow]

Pfft

Ok

I got it