questions-2

[glass hawk]

I did notice that later in the book he pronounced "einnahm" how I'd expect it to be said. Seems a weird slip up, particularly right at the start of the book haha

[fervent kernel]

Yeah, strange how they didn't notice that

[vague pebble]

xD

[glass hawk]

Some UK English speakers use bilabial trills for emphasis, so that's the route my head was going down 😛

[fervent kernel]

Isn't it pretty bad to say "ich hasse jmd"?

Maybe "ich kann ihn nicht ausstehen" is better?

What do you think?

Or ich kann ihm nichts abgewinnen

Or even ich kann ihn nicht leiden

Depends on how strong the hate/dislike is

[vague pebble]

of course it is "nicer" to use nicht ausstehen (=can't stand sth.) but that's not the exact translation of to hate (see original sentence from Nicreven)

[fallow ledge]

so the phrase is jmdm Arbeitszeignis schreiben

[proper kindle]

What does beziehungsweise(bzw) mean?

[fervent kernel]

It's kind of like "oder auch" or "und auch"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beziehungsweise Has a good definition

[long whale]

"jemandem ein Arbeitszeugnis ausstellen" is the usual one, I believe. :)

[fervent kernel]

i just learned this from "Deutsch mit Rieke" but you wrote it before me

[dusky torrent]

In this sentence: " Historische Filme interessieren mich nicht" , how do you know which conjugation of interessieren to use? or in "einerseits kann man viele informationen im interenet finden..." , why is it "kann" instead of something like "konnen" ( conjugation)

I am very new to learning german, sorry if the question doesn't make sense!

[latent wadi]

man kann

Filme ist plural deswegen interessieren

@dusky torrent

[long whale]

You need to think about the subject of your sentence. The verb is "jemanden interessieren" -> etwas (subject) interessiert jemanden (direct object/Akkusativ). And you know that "mich" is Akkusativ. If it were Nominativ (your subject is pretty much always in Nominativ), it would be "ich". For the 2nd sentence, your subject is "man" (it can only be used in Nominativ), and you need to realize that German "man" works the same as "er, sie, es" -> kann, not können Does this help?

[dusky torrent]

i understand the explanation for man, thank you. but I don't understand "the verb is "jemanden interessieren" -> etwas (subject) interessiert jemanden (direct object/Akkusativ)." where does jemanden come from, and why the emphasis on the "n" in jemanden?

[long whale]

Every German verb has its Rektion, the construction (case/s, preposition/s) it requires. You need to learn those by heart, there's no rule (except that most verbs simply require Akkusativ). There are lists on the internet. And that's how you know it's "jemanden interessieren". :)

I emphasized the N at the end of "jemanden" because it shows you it's in Akkusativ. :)

[dusky torrent]

thank u

[fervent kernel]

quick question, wenn do i know how to use dass und was?

for example, i'm preparing some questions to ask people during small talk
"was ist aus deiner Sicht, das größte Geschenk, was/dass du denkst, was/dass du einem anderen mensch machen kannst?

are they totally interchangable? or are there rules?

or is it "nach Gefühl"

[rose gazelle]

How do you call Highschool in German ?

Need a native speaker help on this one I think because I’m trying to find the right word for certain type of Highschool —the one you go to up to the age of 18/19

[fervent kernel]

@rose gazelle

anything in sekundarbereich 2 is highschool equivalent

[rose gazelle]

Also Sekundarstufe?

What should I exactly write

[fervent kernel]

it depends on what you mean to say

[rose gazelle]

I mean to say I went to school to the age of 18

But I have no Berufsschule

[gleaming sedge]

dass is like the conjunction “that” in English.
I believe that he went to Germany.
Ich glaube, dass er nach Deutschland gegangen ist.

Was is what.
What is that?
Was ist das?
I would like to know what he did there.
Ich möchte wissen, was er dort gemacht hat.

[rose gazelle]

It was a Gymnasium but in Germany Gymnasium is younger than that

[fervent kernel]

say which klass it was

"ich besuchte bis der 12/13 klasse in einer gymnasiale schule"

or smt like that

[rose gazelle]

Look…in my country we go 8 grades elementary which is obligatory up to the age of 14

And then

You can pick a Highschool for another 4 years

Or a Berufsschule that lasts 3 years instead

If you have the 4 year one completed you are allowed to go to a Uni

But you have no precise qualification

[fervent kernel]

"ich habe eine allgemeine Hochschulreife"

[rose gazelle]

Thanks a lot

[fervent kernel]

also called Abi

"ich habe Abi gemacht"

[rose gazelle]

It’s important to me that I don’t lie ( don’t want to sound like I’m trying to make up higher education than what I have )

[fervent kernel]

Abi is kurz fur Abitur

which is 13 klasse

[rose gazelle]

But also don’t want to sound completely illiterate

Thanks a lot , should be that

[fervent kernel]

dont worry about that, not many complete an Abi in germany

a lot just do mittlere reife then do a duales ausbildung

some just do Hauptschule nach Klasse 9 and some Handwerliche Ausbildung, which is also fine

i just find it a "waste" to not go to school in germany

i did school in italy, then continued school in germany, and the school in italy is waaay harder

[gleaming sedge]

For application, dass can be used to express your opinions and reactions to things.
“It surprised me that...”
“I’m sorry that...”
“I find it awesome that...”

Was is mostly used to ask for information of something.

[fervent kernel]

in Klasse 9 Hauptschule we were doing things i learned in Klasse 6 in italy

[karmic monolith]

In this case, you'd use "das" with one s instead of "dass" since it's referring to the Geschenk

[fervent kernel]

so in my sentence, the correct one is "was" right?

[karmic monolith]

"dass" works just like "that" in English in the way we say for example "ich denke dass es eine gute Idee ist" = i think that's a good idea. The one time you'd use "was" in place of "dass"is whenever you're referring to "alles" for example: "alles was du siehst ist gold" = everything that you see is gold

[gleaming sedge]

Depends on what do you want to say. I’m not confident and fluent enough to know if there’s a mistake.

[rose gazelle]

I mean I honestly don’t understand the chart because it doesn’t state ages or anything so thanks a lot @fervent kernel for giving me a concrete answer

Because I’d never figure it out by myself lol

[rose gazelle]

Is Klasse 9 , 14 yo ?

[karmic monolith]

Then there's relative pronouns where instead of "dass" you use the article to the object that's being referred to for example: "er ist der Mann der das Essen gemacht hat" = he's the man who/that made the food. It can work as "who" too when "who" is interchangeable to "that"
Another example: "die ist die Frau die ich kenne" = she's the woman i know

[rose gazelle]

Ich würde sagen : „Was ist aus deiner Sich das größte Geschenk ,dass du jemandem machen kannst?“

Aber das nicht muss richtig sein , ich bin auch ein Anfänger

[fervent kernel]

yes basically

[rose gazelle]

I see thanks

[fervent kernel]

generelly kids who dont like school would complete their 9. klasse, then attend an Ausbildungsvorbereitung where they learn some Berufsfelder

and figure out what the want to do for a living

[rose gazelle]

I see I see

[fervent kernel]

and they do some Praktikums from 14 to 15/16 to gain Qualifikations which then are useful for applying for a Duales Ausbildung

[rose gazelle]

I wish I attended Berufs one as well because this way if you don’t have the time to study you’re left out as an unqualified worker

But not a topic for this channel sorry

[fervent kernel]

once you complete an ausbildung, it usually is equivalent to mittlerereife

[rose gazelle]

That’s 16 yo right ?

Or 17?

[fervent kernel]

15

but Realschule, not Hauptschule

[rose gazelle]

Ah okay

[fervent kernel]

which is """"Harder""""

(not by much imo)

[rose gazelle]

I’ll just study nuclear physics instead of German school system lol

[fervent kernel]

👍

[gleaming sedge]

This doesn’t explain everything but an overview of the education system that I found in our book.

[rose gazelle]

Thanks

[autumn marsh]

except that it goes up to the 13th Klasse, afaik without exception... this seems to be outdated. it was at one point in the last years tried out to have just 12 years, but that was rolled back pretty quickly. was a fuckin' stupid idea

... a stupid idea that everybody knew would be stupid, but yea, who gives a shit about science and common sense anyway

check https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildungssystem_in_Deutschland#/media/Datei:Bildungsorte_und_Lernwelten_in_Deutschland.svg as reference

[fervent kernel]

"Ich mache nie Fehler, ich entdecke immer nur neue Möglichkeiten wie man es nicht machen soll" is this sentence correct?

i dont understand why the person who wrote this put a immer before the nur

[fervent veldt]

Gibt es einen Unterschied zwischen "danken" und "sich bedanken"?

[fervent kernel]

bedanken is used when the subject is giving his thank @fervent veldt

[long whale]

It's just the construction: Ich danke dir = Ich bedanke mich bei dir. The meaning is the same.

[long whale]

In English, you can say "I just keep finding new ways..." In German, this idea of something happening again and again is expressed by "immer". :)

[long whale]

First of all, there's a "zu" too many: zu aufzunehmen

Secondly, the separable verb is "aufnehmen". Now, when you need an infinitive with "zu" (as you do in your example sentence), the "zu" is inserted between the separable prefix and the verb. Does that help?

@copper cedar

It isn't just that I think so. It is an error. :)

They may have used a different verb in the draft, like "absorbieren", and then forgotten to remove the "zu". :)

[silk wind]

Alles kommt wieder in die Bahn

Does this sentence mean something like "Everything falls into place" or "Everything gets better"?

[long whale]

I'd say it's more like "Everything goes back to normal". :)

[silk wind]

👀 I see, vielen Dank!

[long whale]

Why the eyes? :D

[swift bough]

Because they said I see

[silk wind]

yes, "the means for the environmental protection" to be precise

[fallow flint]

I was using an app to learn german and I found out that, the word for ‘manager’ is ‘geschaftsfuhrer’. Is this appropriate to say, or is there a replacement which people use nowadays?

[autumn marsh]

these are different words. manager can be any manager, while der Geschäftsführer is kinda the leading manager, often also the owner of the business but not necessarily

Widerhall finden means that it's being heard, in the sence of: the other agreeing, sort of.

So what that sentence says is that (whatever is said in the sentence before) the Bundesregierung does not agree to, and instead is using wrong, expensive and ineffective methods to handle the deforestation

"Meine Worte finden bei ihr keinen Widerhall" is like a fancy way or saying: she does consider/agree on my words

she's not even taking my words into consideration, I don't get any reaction at all from her

[fervent kernel]

Was versteht man unter "Pauschale"?

[long whale]

Depending on context, there are various translations for this: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/Pauschale

[fervent kernel]

are you sure it's hatte and not habe?

Am Mittwoch hatte die Europäische Kommission vorgeschlagen, Importe zu verbieten, für deren Herstellung ||Regenwald gerodet wird||,|| etwa Rindfleisch, Sojabohnen, Palmöl, Kaffee und Kakao sowie Holz.||

für deren= genitiv

for their manufacturing

in spoilers you find what ingredient was forbidden

i hope i explained good enough, and i hope i am right at least

[dusty pendant]

why is it "ihnen" and not deine or something?

actually what does that ihnen there do at all

[swift bough]

@dusty pendant „Ihnen“ is the formal version of „dir“

German has formal pronouns

[dusty pendant]

ohhhh

[swift bough]

Ihnen = dir, euch
Sie = du, ihr
Ihr = dein, euer

[dusty pendant]

I see, that's why

yep, okay
so

"wie geht's dir heute"
is a valid sentence?

[swift bough]

Yes

To actually know when to use formal pronouns is a whole other thing

/ when not to

[dusty pendant]

oh, don't worry
my native language has them :D

[swift bough]

Ah ok

Maybe it’s still different in some areas though

Wouldn’t surprise me

[dusty pendant]

ofc, ofc
by the way,
While sort of on the topic; can you just put adverbs anywhere in the middle of the sentence?

or literally anywhere at all as long as it's not where the verb should be?
another tiny question about word order, the subject doesn't have to go first, yeah?

[swift bough]

Definitely not. They only have certain acceptable spots in a sentence.

Usually only one of them sounds the absolute best or it can put stress on something else

If you move it

[dusty pendant]

I see, thank you
so far it hasn't proven to be an issue, but I'm glad I asked early on, haha

[swift bough]

It doesn’t. But you also shouldn’t randomly switch the subject and object unless you know what you’re doing. It doesn’t alter the meaning, but it alters the stress, which if you do unnecessarily can just be awkward.

[dusty pendant]

I get that, yeah

[swift bough]

Like for example you wouldn’t say „Ich ging zum Bahnhof schnell“ rather „Ich ging schnell zum Bahnhof“

[dusty pendant]

the first one's just flat out incorrect, right?

it definitely sounds worse

[swift bough]

It would be incorrect

It would nonetheless be understandable

But it sounds totally unnatural

[dusty pendant]

mhm,
thank you for the help!

[swift bough]

Np

[dusty pendant]

WAIT I WANTED TO ASK SOMETHING
you prompted me with your example
are prateritum and perfekt interchangeable?

[swift bough]

Yes and no….it’s complicated. So perfekt is a lot more common in spoken language, it’s what you really really need to know. Präteritum does occur a lot in spoken language as well, but the catch is that it only occurs a lot with a mere handful of verbs. When it comes to literature and writing, Präteritum is typically even more common than Perfekt. Perfekt and Präteritum have zero semantic difference between each other, but the Perfekt is simply just preferred nonetheless when speaking.

In english this symantic difference still exists but in German it really doesn’t.

This is why I’ve also had to explain how this difference in English works to Germans multiple times before (:

[dusty pendant]

I see
I know that the meaning is basically the same but

for some verbs it really feels like it's better and/or easier to use prateritum

but for a lot of others it feels better to use perfekt

[swift bough]

That’s basically what I said. For some verbs in fact you pretty much never even use the Perfekt.

[dusty pendant]

right, care to name a few that you can think of?

[swift bough]

For ones common with Präteritum or for ones that never really are use in Perfekt?

[dusty pendant]

isn't that the same thing?

[swift bough]

Just because it’s common with Präteritum doesn’t mean it isn’t common with Perfekt as well

[dusty pendant]

ah I see; then, what are the ones you'd pretty much never hear with perfekt?

[swift bough]

It’s a little bit Verb dependent

Pretty much it’s just a few of the modal verbs; sollen, müssen, mögen. Honestly even with „mögen“ you rarely even hear it in Präteritum either. The Verb Germans like to use most for „to like“ is „gefallen“

[autumn marsh]

"In der gesprochenen Sprache wird das Präteritum meist nur für die Verben „haben“, „sein“, „wissen“, „heißen“, „finden“ (im Sinne von „empfinden“), „denken“ und die Modalverben verwendet, ansonsten durch das Perfekt ersetzt, das bei den meisten der erstgenannten Verben unüblich ist."

those you have to know in Präteritum, other than that you'll be fine with perfekt. You will encounter Verbs in Präteritum used by natives aswell, wildly mixed with verbs in Perfekt, but you do not have to know them yourself - using Perfekt is perfectly fine 😛

[swift bough]

But that is also a verb you pretty much only use Perfekt with

[autumn marsh]

and it does not make a difference in meaning

the only exception is when writing about the past

then you have to use the Präteritum

[swift bough]

Another important one is werden

[dusty pendant]

I see, also I've encountered the haben thing myself
"wir haben g..e?haben?" sounded so stupid haha

[swift bough]

Also wollen

That’s common with Präteritum as well

Oh yeah you said modalverben

Nvm

[swift bough]

Haben gehabt

?

[autumn marsh]

well as i said, this is not an exclusive list or something

and unless you exclusively and only talk german, you'll need the Präteritum anyway so

[dusty pendant]

ye it just kinda sounds silly
either way, thank both of you a lot!

[swift bough]

It’s kinda Region dependent as well because in real life I’ve also heard things like „sitzen“ and „aussehen“ in Präteritum spoken

[autumn marsh]

but just to get started, and for informal situations (where you'll mostly use the language in the beginning) knowing that you can basically always rely on Perfekt is a good thing

[autumn marsh]

sure, but the important question is: will you be missunderstood if YOU as a Deutschlerner use Perfekt? you won't

[dusty pendant]

thank you, I understand that

[autumn marsh]

you will not even be missunderstood if you exclusively use only Perfekt and never Präteritum

[swift bough]

Unless you say „Ich habe das gemusst“ because nobody says that lol

[autumn marsh]

eh, no?

why would that be missunderstood

[swift bough]

I didn’t say that it would be misunderstood

[autumn marsh]

it's perfectly valid

[swift bough]

I meant it would sound weird

At least in my experience nobody ever says that

[autumn marsh]

if i say "a = b" and you answer with "unless C" then you're making an exception to what i said, no? 😄

there is no exception, you will not be missunderstood

[swift bough]

I was on a different train of thought which I failed to express

[autumn marsh]

people will think you sound funny but that's about it

[swift bough]

I didn’t actually mean you’ll be misunderstood

[autumn marsh]

kk

[dusty pendant]

that clears up a lot of random stuff I've been confused about
ty a lot! :)

[autumn marsh]

well yea you're absolutely right, nobody does 😄 that's why it is important to know the verbs that are regulary used in Präteritum

rule of thumb: if it's among the top 500 most frequent words in german, you'll be using the präteritum

[swift bough]

Yeah it’s also the same for gesollt

I was still trying to explain to @dusty pendant as well that just because Perfekt is the most common in spoken language doesn’t mean there aren’t some verbs you virtually never encounter it with

And then you have sein, which is one of those verbs whose use changes regionally

Like in Bavaria it’s way more common in perfekt but if you go to Lower Saxony you mostly hear it in Präteritum

[autumn marsh]

" Im Schweizerdeutschen wird kein Präteritum verwendet (vgl. oberdeutscher Präteritumschwund). "

the way to go about it is easy

you use Perfekt

and you learn the bunch of verbs that are used in Präteritum

and if you have to write, you have a dictionary at your side to look up the Präteritum-forms you need

and that's it

no need to learn them for every day speak

[fervent kernel]

can anyone please explain the apparent difference between Fingerfertigkeit and Fingerspitzengefühl

they are similiar to my brain, but apparently they have totally different usages

[fallow ledge]

Fingerfertigkeit bedeutet Geschicklichkeit mit den Händen, sowas brauchen Puppenspieler und Klavierspieler

Fingerspitzengefühl ist ein feines Verständnis, also zum Beispiel im Umgang mit Menschen. Man kann auch ein politisches Fingerspitzengefühl haben

also ich hab auch mal gesagt bekommen, dass sich man Fingerspitzengefühl so vorstellen kann:
also wenn man ein gutes Fingerspitzengefühl hat, so kann man sozusagen den Puls einer Situation fühlen, und der weiß auch genau wie er sie lenken soll

vielleicht nicht lenken, aber auf jeden Fall versteht man ganz gut wie die Lage aussieht

[gritty bronze]

so the baby method to learning a language is the “input only” method good? this includes watching and reading the desired languages shows and books (only in that languages subtitles) and using context clues to learn new vocabulary

[fallow ledge]

Do what works for you, i like to get a bit of a foundation before doing applying this method. I found it helped me a lot when i was at about B1 and could follow a context.

I see people recommend Natürlich Deutsch pretty often, i think it follows this input method

Ah Radio D helped me too, it tries to do listening comprehension by offering context clues like sounds effects

[plain umbra]

Those activities are good but most people will struggle if they only do those things. Adults and babies learn differently, and you should try to take advantage of the abilities adults have that babies don't. Support your input with some formal studying and you will learn very effectively.

[shut briar]

Frage! So man kann ein Adjektiv als ein Nomen benutzen ja?

Spielt eine Rolle das Geschlecht des Nomens?

zB Haben wir den letzen Text schon abgeschlossen, dass er einen neuen Text schickt?

Wie ersetze ich a new Text mit a new one? Ein neues? Einen neuen?

[swift bough]

Kommt auf den Satz an.
Zum Beispiel:

Wir lesen einen Text.

Welchen denn? Denselben, den wir gestern gelesen haben?

Nein, heute lesen wir einen Anderen/Neuen.

[shut briar]

Und in meinem Beispiel?

[swift bough]

Ich habe deinen Satz hier nicht ganz verstanden, deswegen habe ich mein eigenes Beispiel geschrieben. Was willst du denn damit sagen (auf Englisch)?

[shut briar]

Have we already completed this text, that he's sending a new one?

[swift bough]

Vielleicht meinst du so was?:

Wir haben den letzten Text schon beendet, also haben wir angefangen, einen Neuen zu lesen.

[swift bough]

Auf Englisch ergibt es auch leider keinen Sinn. Aber ich denke ich verstehe was du meinst.

[shut briar]

Woah really? Wow. This must be a part of Indian English then

[swift bough]

Maybe so

Because in American English we wouldn’t say it

But I think I know what you would change so that it kind of makes more sense

[shut briar]

Not this, it's like, he's sending us a new one, does that mean we have already completed the last one

[shut briar]

Very close to this

[shut briar]

Also eine Frage

[swift bough]

Haben wir den letzten Text schon beendet, sodass er uns einen Neuen geschickt hat?

Still kind of a strange thing to ask imo / just strange sounding in general, but makes more sense. I mean it’s a valid sentence, but I’m not sure why you would phrase it this way. In a very specific context it could be used I think.

[swift bough]

Well if that’s what you mean this is what I would probably write

Wait is it at a school or at a university?

[shut briar]

University

[swift bough]

It will make a difference for which word I choose

Ok

[shut briar]

Does it help if i add already in the sentence, to send across the meaning? In English i mean, even if it's not idiomatic to you

[swift bough]

There are actually a million ways you could ask the same thing but something like this:

Unser Professor schickt uns einen Neuen (Text), also haben wir den Letzten zu Ende schon gelesen?

Keep in mind btw I’ve met Germans on this server who said they didn’t even know you’re supposed to capitalize these and they said they never even paid attention to it before when writing an essay.

And so especially when you’re just casually texting it’s even more rare to see

[shut briar]

My one actually puts a bit more emphasis on the question. Why is he sending us a new one? Have we already done the last one.....But it's not idiomatic, so I'll use this one

[swift bough]

Ahh ok

[shut briar]

I just wanted to know if saying neues here would be wrong or not, but yeah you're right, capitalisation doesn't seem to be important in casual texting, makes sense really

[swift bough]

If you want to put more emphasis on the question:

Wieso schickt uns denn unser Professor einen neuen Text, wenn wir immer noch nicht fertig mit dem Anderen sind?

So basically

When you capitalize an adjective

It doesn’t have any effect at all on the declension rules

So accusative, dative, nominative, genitive, they all still work the exact same way.

Which is why I wrote „mit dem Anderen“ because Text is masculine and following the rules of dative means knowing that mit always causes dative, and der in dative is dem.

@shut briar has this cleared anything up for you?

[long whale]

... dass er einen neuen schickt? ("neuen" since it clearly refers to the text, which is masculine). You wouldn't even capitalize it. :)

BTW, your sentence was idiomatic, in the sense that it's what a native speaker would say (but not write). :)

[swift bough]

Oh yes…isn’t there some weird rule that says if you have already mentioned the noun previously in the same sentence, that you don’t have to capitalize the adjective? It’s been so long since I’ve seen that but I think that’s what I remember having read about once..

[swift bough]

Really? It confused me tbh 😅

[shut briar]

Write formally you mean? In casual texting i can write it yeah?

[shut briar]

Maybe it still isn't idiomatic in English. I've seen many similarities in German and Hindi that English is missing

[long whale]

Yeah, it's only when you go "Mein Großvater... bla-bla-bla.. tra-la-la. Der Gute hatte nämlich kein Testament gemacht."

[swift bough]

You should take everything I say with a grain of salt, because I only speak from 6 years of learning experience and not native experience lol @shut briar

[shut briar]

Yeah but you say it dosen't matter but still declinate it 😅

[long whale]

Or, when you're talking about abstract concepts, like "good and evil are sometimes hard to tell apart" (Manchmal ist es schwierig, zwischen Gut und Böse zu unterscheiden) :)

[swift bough]

I mean in English I have native experience and at least for my region it didn’t make sense

[shut briar]

Where are you from?

[swift bough]

West coast USA

[shut briar]

See that was part of my question, why is it schlechtem and not schlechtes, how do we decide that?

[long whale]

Because "zwischen" requires Dativ. I changed it, though, because reading back, there's a more idiomatic way of saying it, which is kind of a fixed expression, and now it would look extra weird to a learner, I suppose. Sorry, not quite awake yet. 🤷

[swift bough]

Btw this is a question I’ve had in my head for the longest time: do Germans sometimes say „dass“ in place of „sodass“? Why do I feel like I’ve noticed people doing that before? Am I confusing something? @long whale

[long whale]

Mm. Sloppy German. 🤷

[swift bough]

So I’m not going crazy then

[shut briar]

We should be sorry, making you do all these mental gymnastics in the morning

[swift bough]

Lol

[shut briar]

But just one more question @long whale

[swift bough]

I guess it’s one way to wake up quicker

[shut briar]

In my sentence, sodass is the right thing to use? No right? I feel that would change the meaning @long whale

[long whale]

I was trying to think about this, and you're right. I don't feel "sodass/so dass" would make it better/would be the replacement of choice.

Perhaps it's some kind of antiquated use? A sort of relic? Kind of a "causal" dass.

In English, I guess the equivalent would be "... for him to send us..."

[shut briar]

Must be it, cause you don't think it's appropriate for formal writing

[long whale]

We mostly seem to use this kind of construction to show we're upset, I think. As in... somebody keeps borrowing money from you, and you end up saying "Bin ich eine Bank, dass du dir ständig Geld von mir borgst?"

(Am I a bank, then, for you to keep borrowing money from me?)

What do you think, Alien?

And the appropriate formal construction would have to be sth like "Ich bin doch keine Bank, von der du dir ständig Geld leihen kannst!"

I think.

@swift bough

[shut briar]

Yes this is what i was talking about. I use this in both English and Hindi

[shut briar]

I don't this is a replacement, it completely changes the tone

[long whale]

Hmm... It doesn't seem that way to me. It's still upset. Just a different, more complicated construction. 🤷

[swift bough]

I think this is still sort of new to me I guess? I haven’t had much experience with this usage of the word, I just know the more common usage of dass and the usage of sodass, so that’s why for me it was just plain confusing what @shut briar meant.

[long whale]

Yes, I understand. I was just wondering what you'd say in English. Am I a bank, that you...? Am I bank, for you to...? Am I a bank, because you...?

[shut briar]

I guess, i think the first one being a question makes it have more emphasis to my ears

[swift bough]

It was an English question?

[shut briar]

For this one I'd simply say, I'm not a bank that you can keep borrowing money from
Hopefully this is idiomatic to you? @swift bough

[long whale]

Well... in German, the plain statement "Ich bin doch keine Bank!" also makes it quite... strong.

[swift bough]

Should I translate it more literally or as how I would actually say basically the same thing

[long whale]

Kind of, yes.

[long whale]

The way you'd say it. When upset.

[swift bough]

Do you think I’m just a bank you can constantly loan money from?

[shut briar]

Yeah a single statement works, in other languages too I guess

[long whale]

Mm, okay, thanks. :)

[shut briar]

Ha! This one is sort of a mixture of both previous structures

[swift bough]

Mind you I censored swear words in there too

[long whale]

Yes. And being English, it doesn't even require a conjunction. Which is where the German problem stems from.

[swift bough]

Yeah

[shut briar]

I still read it with them

[swift bough]

I don’t know if it‘s because of me learning German but if I add a „that“ in that sentence it doesn’t even sound wrong to me

It just sounds like an extra word you don’t technically need

[long whale]

But not a "so that", right?

[swift bough]

Yeah it doesn’t make any sense with so that, you’d need to restructure the whole sentence for it to work.

[shut briar]

Yeah that feels pretty much removable from English, but not from German or Hindi

[long whale]

Okay, seems we've got that cleared up, haven't we?

[shut briar]

English has forgotten its roots

[swift bough]

But I’ve always thought of „sodass“ as a word you have to explain more than translate, because „damit“ also means so that, but it gets used in an entirely different sense.

sodass being a result of something and damit being used when something is intentionally done to attain a certain restful

Result*

[shut briar]

Yup. I still want to know what more English speakers think about using 'that' that way, i guess I'll ask it later

[long whale]

You're now starting to do my head in. Not that there's anything wrong with what you say, but how does it relate to the original sentence?

[shut briar]

Haven't done it yet, just heard about it, so imma head out 😂

Danks alle

[swift bough]

I wish you could just read my mind because I know there’s a reason why I say that but it’s so hard for me to even put into words

I am trying to retrace my thought process

[long whale]

Maybe you were thinking along the lines of "Er hält mich für eine Bank, sodass er sich ständig Geld von mir leiht" = He thinks I'm a bank, so, he keeps...

[swift bough]

I don’t think it really had to do with his original sentence but I was mentioning that because I think if you are to tell a learner that „sodass“ means „so that“, you’re missing a huge piece of the puzzle because of „damit“. And I know we weren’t even talking about that but sometimes I have trouble focussing on the same topic without randomly switching to another without warning. Anyhow, I think in a lot of cases, „sodass“ doesn’t even necessarily have to get translated as „so that“, but it also really wants to phonetically sound like „so that“. Because as soon as you say „so that“ in English, it can come across as intentional, even tho „sodass“ isn’t. This is real off-topic now anyhow

[long whale]

Yes, to all of the above. :) @swift bough

[swift bough]

[ancient pulsar]

Sie mag gerne Orange.

never heard mag gerne together before

i believe it just implies more intensified feeling/liking

oder?

[long whale]

Yes, sounds about right. :)

[ancient pulsar]

Vielen Dank

sorry if i am asking too many Qs, but getting confirmations to your assumptions is a great way to learn

[long whale]

It's Partizip 1, Partizip der Gegenwart: Infinitv + -d + Adjective ending

@copper cedar

[pastel pagoda]

It's an expression

"Sehenden Auges"

dict.cc

[sudden cloud]

Can both "sein" and "ihr" mean "its", or only "sein"?

[scenic drift]

uh, yes and no. in english, you'd translate anything that's an inanimate object to "its", right? but in german you have to refer back to the gender of the noun.

"Der Hund hat sein Futter gefressen. " = "the dog ate its food", but in german you say "his food" because it's a masculine noun

does that make sense? i'm struggling to think of how to explain this 🤔

[sudden cloud]

what if it was "auto"

[scenic drift]

"das Auto hat seine Reifen verloren. " -> "the car has lost its tires"

[sudden cloud]

and why not ihre

[scenic drift]

because it's das Auto, not die Auto?

[sudden cloud]

so sein is mask. + neutrum and ihr is only fem.?

[scenic drift]

yes

[sudden cloud]

thank you

[spring socket]

I thought you were gonna say das Auto hat sein Futter gefressen for a second haha

[vernal sky]

Hallo Frau _, wegen dem Test morgen wollte ich fragen ob die Präpositionen und Möbel drankommen oder nur eines davon. I´d say it like that. Your question isn`t there anymore but yeah here you go ig

[fervent kernel]

okay, thank you!

[subtle abyss]

Hallo

[long whale]

Yes and yes. :)

[fervent kernel]

i know the Word "meinetwegen" can this also be used with "deine-seine-ihre-eurer-unsere" as prefix?

[fervent kernel]

for example in this sentence, could i be " dem Test etwegen wollte ich.." or totally different context " die Donuts habe ich deinetwegen gekauft, denn wir mal essen wollten"

[vernal sky]

the side sentence after the comma makes no sense

[karmic monolith]

Small correction "... denn wir wollten mal essen". Don't need to put the verb at the end after using "denn"

[fervent kernel]

oh right it's position 0

[sudden cloud]

From "Jedenfalls" to "Tage". What does it say? She has gotten used to her name and then the "Zeit genug hatte ich schliesslich"?

[buoyant sedge]

it means you'll never obtain my status

[sudden cloud]

I dont think it means something with status?

[rare jetty]

The whole sentences mean something like "Since I had enough time time- 18 years, 5 months, 12 days to be exact- I really got used to my name"

"Zeit genug hatte ich schließlich" directly translated is "After all, I had enough time"

[sudden cloud]

ohh, now I see, the "schliesslich" can also mean "after all" and not only "finally"

[rare jetty]

yea

[sudden cloud]

thank you 🙂

[dusty pendant]

are ein bisschen and wenig interchangeable?

[mellow nova]

they are synonyms, but wenig can't be used when you are negating i.e kein bisschen

and bisschen can't be used as a superlative

[light ocean]

I see what it says, but understand nothing

[mellow nova]

basically some prepositions can be either dative or accusative depending on the purpose

movement (wohin, where to) uses accusative 'in die Schule', location (wo, where) uses dative 'in der Schule'

@light ocean

[light ocean]

Ah

[mellow nova]

they are called the Wechselpräpositionen and you have to memorize them :) the ones in orange here

[autumn marsh]

i just realized this can be really tricky "Bis wann? Bis zum Morgengrauen", but "zum Morgengrauen" is Dativ ...

"Um was zu tun? Um ihm zu helfen"

german 🥴

[fervent kernel]

Helfen always goes with Dativ

Are there cute/funny Kosename that are appropriate for a man to use to a girl? But nothing that would allude to anything. Also related, can you say alter and digga to girls? Or do I have to say alterin and diggarin

Or are they not supposed to be used like that?

Because atleast to me, it doesn't seem bad to call a girl who's not your girlfriend "Mäuschen" as long as she doesn't mind it

But maybe they are for German ein Zeichen der absoluter Zweisamkeit

And maybe it wirkt unangebracht idk

[long whale]

Yes, but those are the only ones it works with. Testetwegen makes no sense at all. :)

[long whale]

I don't think this question can be answered in general, as it would depend very much on your age group/social set/class/subgroup. "Alte" in particular is used in many groups/subgroups as a term for "long-term girlfriend/wife".

[spring socket]

Alterin and Diggarin aren't real words. I've heard Alter used by both females and males, but Digga is more what you use with the lads, it would be strange to call a woman Digga unless you knew each other well/were being ironic

[shut briar]

Es ist 2000 Jahre her, dass sie verfolgt worden sind.

Does this sentence imply the meaning that they have been getting persecuted for 2000 years?

Or is it more like, they were persecuted 2000 years ago

[fallow ledge]

the second i think

the sentence translates to: Its been 2000 years since they were persecuted.

[shut briar]

How do i convey the first meaning?

Actually i'm not so sure about in English too

[fallow ledge]

something like: They were persecuted for 2000 years?

[swift bough]

Yes

Because „etwas ist … her“ means something was … ago

[fallow ledge]

this would be: Sie wurden 2000 Jahre lang verfolgt/Sie sind 2000 Jahre lang verfolgt worden

[shut briar]

It's still continued, so i want to say something like, hey, how long have they been getting persecuted

[fallow ledge]

ah then you use present tense

and probably seit

[shut briar]

I thought there was have been in English so in German I'd use present perfect

[fallow ledge]

like ive been learning for 3 years
ich lerne seit drei Jahren

theyve been persecuted for 2000 years
Sie werden seit 2000 Jahren verfolgt

would be my guess at it @swift bough what do you think

[shut briar]

Oh thats right

So how would i phrase it as a rhetorical question

[fallow ledge]

have been is a kind of progressive form in english, german doesnt really have any of these, so they use present tense and a marker like seit to show that something has been happening for a while and is still happening

[shut briar]

Yeah i remembered it from your lerne example

[shut briar]

So for this should i just add a simple wie lange ist es?

Wie lange ist es, seit sie verfolgt werden?

[fallow ledge]

maybe using the lernen example again

seit wann lernst du Deutsch?
Wie lange lernst du schon Deutsch?

Seit wann werden sie verfolgt?
Wie lange werden sie schon verfolgt?

not too confident on the schon in the last example, it might actually be better without 🤷‍♀️

[shut briar]

How long have you been learning German is one way, but because i want to put emphasis, i want ti say, how long has it been, since you've been learning german

[shut briar]

That's why this, but not sire if it's idiomatic

[mellow nova]

Wie lange war es, seit du fängst an, Deutsch zu lernen

maybe

xd

[fallow ledge]

i think thats like a cleft construction in english, i think different languages make these differently. not sure how to best make that kind of emphashis in german, youd probably have to restructure a lot

[shut briar]

Actually that was just an example, but we want that with the second one

[fallow ledge]

wie lange ist es her, seit(dem) du angefangen hast, Deutsch zu lernen. would be my guess but it sounds super awkward. also not sure if its seit or seitdem (or even dass )

[shut briar]

Yeah, my lesson starts in a few minutes and i was hoping to use the right thing, whatever it may be, but I'd chech back after to see if there has been any conclusion

[shut briar]

Also i feel schon fits but someone has to confirm

[swift bough]

Yep that’s also what I would say

[swift bough]

Seit and seitdem can both be used there as far as I know but I will double check Duden

Looks like I‘d be right according to this @fallow ledge

I‘m like 99% sure

[fallow ledge]

So both?

Im leaning towards seitdem a little more tho

[swift bough]

I think both are fine but somehow seitdem does sound prettier

But seit technically means the same thing there afaik

Ok look at this @fallow ledge

I am now 100% sure lol

I mean I already was kinda totally sure like I would probably use it that way myself without giving it a second thought but I am still simply cautious about spreading false info

[ancient pulsar]

Er ist doch wohl/wohl doch tot.

He's dead, isn't he?

did i use wohl doch correct?

[flat jacinth]

Can I say "Das Wetter war fürchterlich!" to say "The weather was horrible!"?

Does it sound natural?

[wise pendant]

Sure

[icy flax]

Hi! I think ppl oversaw ur message. :(

He's dead, isn't he?
Er ist tot, oder?

What you came up with was
"He is, on the contrary, probably dead."
"He is probably, on the contrary, dead"

Those "doch-s" will only work if someone assumed him being alive.

[shut briar]

Das wäre einfacher gewesen

[shut briar]

Das ist richtig oder?

[karmic monolith]

Ja richtig, "it wouldve been easier"

[ancient pulsar]

I believe if i used doch without wohl it would make more sense

but then maybe implying a different thing

[frosty forum]

are there any grammar checker apps for german as grammarly for english?

[icy flax]

I just tried to bring it closer to your English sentence, but it is not at all wrong what you wrote. You could perfectly say what you said and add a "oder?" at the end to make the other person answer. The "wohl" brings ur lack of certainty on the matter; the "doch" makes opposition ti what was previously expected. I think you just needed the "oder" to bring the English's tag-question flavour. Btw, you are not truly A-level, right? Particles like doch/wohl are usually taught around B2 bc some are kinda hard to get used to and they can often be ommited.

[icy flax]

If you get to know any, let me know. I used a lot the "rechtschreibpruefung24.de" when I was practicing writing, but it has some flaws. It's made more for checking cases, checking whether nouns have their first letter in capital; stuff like that. So, if you miss the preposition that go with a verb, it might not tell you that much.

And, Nyan, you can also always try posting a word of your from your GoogleDocs in #writing. There you also get a more subjective analysis (depending on the examinator ofc hehe) (:

[long whale]

Think of "soll" as "is supposed to", that might help. :)

Nothing to do with subjunctive/Konjunktiv, btw.

We-e-ell... Where did the "is supposed to" disappear to? 🤔

Right. No, it doesn't. You left out the past participle of "versuchen" and you left out "haben". That might be the reason... :)

@copper cedar

As in: they say he tried to do that, yes.

Kind of, yes.

[ancient pulsar]

i believe i am A2, but officially still A1

i am still attending A2.1 lectures

i practice by myself a lot

[half arch]

I think it´s something about the cases 😉

yeah

Behörden is Dativ

[wise pendant]

I think he meant it more along the lines of "Ah ok, ich verstehe"

[half arch]

thanks

[wise pendant]

But text based communication can be ambigious sometimes.

[autumn marsh]

that is an interesting one.

"Er ist doch wohl tot??" > He is dead, right?? He's not gonna coma back, right??? - every character in every horrorslashermovie ever, before they get murdered brutally.

"Er ist wohl doch tot." > After all, although we/i could not believe it, he's dead. - ALSO every character in every horrorslashermovie ever, before the grand finale.

in a another context:

"Ich habe einen halb verhungerten Kater gefunden und gepflegt."

"Er hat es doch wohl überlebt??"

"He (the male cat) did make it, right??", for example if someone's telling a story but it's not clear how the story ends. The person asking expresses their wish and also expects that the cat made it. The storyteller might reply with:

"Ja, letztlich hat er es überlebt."

turn that around:

"Ich habe einen halb verhungerten Kater gefunden und gepflegt."

"Er hat es wohl doch überlebt..."

Here, the speaker apparently knows about the cat, and says, maybe mostly to himself so the others can not hear it: "Oh, i didn't expect the cat to make it after i left him to die, but he did ... hm, who would have thought!"

[sterile frigate]

Is "Die im Song verwendeten Instrumente sind Gitarre, Bass, Schlagzeug, Synthesizer und E-Gitarre." correct?

[merry python]

Yes, it's correct!

[sterile frigate]

Thanks!

[fervent kernel]

Can "halt" also mean leider when used like modalpartikel?

For example "es ist Echt frisch geworden" "es ist halt so"

[proven sphinx]

I guess so, yeah.

Es ist halt so = That's just the way it is.

[fervent kernel]

Another not correlated question, I know there is an umgängliches Wort for when you speak about something with someone, then they ask you to do something, and when you do it, you say "Wie abgeschieden/abgesprochen/Verabschieden..." But I totally forgot what it was

[proven sphinx]

Wie abgesprochen = As agreed

[fervent kernel]

Can it also be used when writing a Beschwerde brief? "Die abgesprochene Anforderungen wurden nicht ausreichend erfüllt" for example

[proven sphinx]

Hmm.

I think I'd prefer "vereinbarten" here.

[fervent kernel]

Last question, I remember there is an Adjektiv for someone who never misses any details, but I don't remember it. Like " Paul hat gemerkt,dass ich zum Friseur war, er ist wirklich ...."

[proven sphinx]

Aufmerksam?

[icy flax]

aufmerksam?

[icy flax]

Bitte, Raven, Mensch... Man schreibt doch Adjektiven klein...
||jokes, I'm laughing how we typed it kinda at the same time||

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that was pretty funny. 😂

[icy flax]

@proven sphinx, taking the opportunity you're still awake, in your experience, do people ask question in German without pulling the verb to the beginning of the sentence? Once a German was very strict on that matter and I could swear I heard it in german dubbed animes. And now another German, the ahcos, just wrote it up there "Er hat es doch wohl überlebt??".

What is your take on that, being a guy into modern linguistcs?

[proven sphinx]

Asking a question without changing the word order means that you're especially surprised by something.

"Hat er es überlebt?" (You genuinely don't know and are curious)
"Er hat es überlebt?" (You're very surprised that he survived this.)

[mellow nova]

that's the same in English

[proven sphinx]

Exactly.

[autumn marsh]

i'm "the ahcos" now

[autumn marsh]

"dass ich beim Friseur war"

[icy flax]

I get it now. So it does work. Thanks! Now I feel flashbacks going thro my head w dubbed characters being surprised haha

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, of course. I overlooked that.

[autumn marsh]

are you even german? 😦 we love to correct people ...! only reason i'm here!!

[proven sphinx]

LOL

[icy flax]

I was bombarded like a mine-testing field by English, but German not that much. Since the boyz are there, y not asking, right? Hehe

[proven sphinx]

Trust me, I correct people all the time. 😂

[fervent veldt]

Dankeschön Frau Susana.

[icy flax]

|| we all know the drill... All about ego-boosting pure Altruism ||🤣

[autumn marsh]

haha 😄 yea, well. i know how freakin' helpful it is to be able to ask natives, and as a language learner myself i wanna give something back

AND i love to correct people

win:win

[proven sphinx]

Ich bin aber kein Deutscher. 😅

[autumn marsh]

wenn du es liebst, Leute zu korrigieren und Deutsch sprichst, biste wohl doch einer 😛

[proven sphinx]

Ha ha, sehr lustig...

[fervent kernel]

it's not this, it was a word from "deutsch mit Rieke" im sure, i'll look it up

the meaning was "someone who never misses anything"

like he bekommt alles mit

[proven sphinx]

Jemand hat Argusaugen.

That's what I'd say idiomatically.

[fervent kernel]

unrelated question, if i am walking and hear someone say something about me or a friend, how do i then say " while i was walking in the hallway, i heard them talk about x"

an "als-satz" sounds too formal to me idk

"ich war im Flur am laufen ja, da habe ich gehort,dass"

is this correct?

[shrewd token]

Without the ja:) and we use „als“ in casual sentences. And gehört with an „ö“

[fervent kernel]

doesnt "ja" work like "okay" ?

"i was walking in the hallway, okay? there i..

[autumn marsh]

no

[fervent kernel]

DeepL- translates "you wouldn't believe what happened to me the other day" to "du wirst nicht glauben, was mir neulich passiert ist"

It seems off to me. Is it correct?

[shrewd token]

It’s correct haha

[fervent kernel]

Arent there kinds witzige or just cuter ways to say it?

Like "du drehst durch, wenn du hörst was mir passiert ist"

Or in that ballpark

[shrewd token]

Haha yes you can

[swift bough]

Yeah it’s not giving you the only possible way to say it there are definitely multiple possibilities to get the same idea across : D

[flat jacinth]

Is there a clear difference between "beträchtlich" and "beachtlich" as both means "considerable" in English?

Can I use both for non-number nouns, such as "Das Feuer verursachte beträchtliche/beachtliche Schäden an der Kirche."?

[merry python]

There isn’t really a huge difference in meaning, they both mean something like "ziemlich groß" in German.
However, we use them slightly different, depending on the context.
"Beträchtlich" is often used when talking about money
(e.g. "Er verdient jeden Monat eine beträchtliche Summe Geld").
"Beachtlich" has two connotations
(but can also mean "ziemlich groß" like in "Er macht beachtliche Fortschritte").
The connotations are "recht wichtig"
(e.g. "Er hat eine beachtliche Stelle in der Firma")
and "deutlich erkennbar"
(e.g. "Die Benzinpreise sind beachtlich gestiegen").
So depending on the context you can use both! Actually I'm pretty sure that nobody would notice if you mess them up, because the difference is use is really small and there is no actual rule, when you should use which one

[lunar crown]

Which is the right verb to say 'I want to change the language I'm studying' for example

[scenic drift]

i would say wechseln.

[lunar crown]

While what are ändern/verändern used for?

[scenic drift]

uhm, they all mean very similar 🙈 verändern is a bit more 'permanent'(?) than ändern imo. you could probably use ändern here as well, it's a matter of style (which you don't need to worry about at your level...)

maybe a native can chime in with more

[lunar crown]

Ohh okay, thank you!!

[flat jacinth]

I would say, "ändern" is used when you are just changing little details.
Ex: You are changing the setting of your phone or you are changing some sentences in your essay

[flat jacinth]

Thanks!!

[long whale]

I agree. @lunar crown

[little tree]

When listing multiple verbs that someone is doing, are they all conjugated or is one conjugated and the rest infinitives? ex i run, swim, and eat --> Ich renne, schwimme, und esse

[charred harbor]

All conjugated :)

[little tree]

ty

[charred harbor]

NP

Yeah your sentence is perfect

[merry python]

As @scenic drift already mentioned, they are pretty similar. Even we as natives mix them up without following particular rules, I’d say
But, if you want to be 100% accurate there is a slightly difference in meaning. "Ändern" has usually the meaning of "change; replace something with something else".
(e.g. "Er hat seine Meinung geändert." or "Sie hat ihren Namen geändert, statt Bella heißt sie nun Marie.")
To sum up, when using "ändern" you usually talk about a huge change or replacing something.
"Verändern" is more like "make something different in its essence, its appearance, reshape it, but it remains the same".
(e.g. "Dieses Erlebnis hat ihn sehr verändert" or
"Sie verändert ihren Namen, statt Isabella möchte sie Bella genannt werden.")
Using "verändern" you usually talk a smaller change.
As already mentioned, it's not a big deal if you mess up those, because the difference is not that huge

[lunar crown]

alright, thank y'all :)

[fervent kernel]

"Er ißt sonntags ein Stück Kuchen."

Why does it use "Ißt" instead of "Isst"? Is it because we are allowed to replace "ss" with "ß"?

[scenic drift]

i bet this text was written before the spelling reform :)

no, you can't replace it. isst is the correct spelling, ißt is wrong

[charred harbor]

It wasn't 25 years ago 😎

[scenic drift]

well, yes, but it's not 1996 anymore 😆

[cosmic tendon]

are these sentences grammatically correct?
er glaubt, dass er eine nachricht bekommen worden ist.
er glaubt, eine nachricht bekommen zu werden.

[scenic drift]

noun capitalization 👀

[fervent kernel]

K, danke

[wise pendant]

Nope

[cosmic tendon]

er glaubt, dass er eine Nachricht bekommen worden ist.
er glaubt, eine Nachricht bekommen zu werden.

[cosmic tendon]

noun capitalization too ?? or something else ?

[plain umbra]

What are you trying to say with that?

[wise pendant]

Grammar is way off

[cosmic tendon]

Gleichzeitige Infinitivsätze im Passiv

[cosmic tendon]

what about : er hat geglaubt, dass er eine Nachricht bekommen worden ist.

[plain umbra]

Let's start with something simpler. What's the basic thing you what to say? A message is received by him?

[wise pendant]

Er hat geglaubt, dass eine Nachricht von ihm erhalten worden ist.

You meant this?

[cosmic tendon]

he believed he had received a message.

[plain umbra]

"He had received a message" is active.

You need passive for what you want to do.

[cosmic tendon]

we can say ? : Er hat geglaubt, dass er eine Nachricht erhalten worden ist.

[plain umbra]

You're mixing up passive and active.

My advice would be to start by reviewing what passive is.

[wise pendant]

Er hat geglaubt, dass er eine Nachricht erhalten hatte.

And look it up again as Base said

[cosmic tendon]

i was when i did see this

[plain umbra]

I don't think you should attempt that kind of thing until you know what passive is. Otherwise it will just be confusing.

I'm not talking about learning how to form passive in German. I'm talking about knowing what passive actually means, like what kind of sentence/meaning you use it for.

Passive means that you have a clause where the subject of the sentence is not the one doing the action, but rather the thing which the action is done to. Like in your sentence examples, you have "erhalten" or "bekommen". The person who is doing those things is "er", so if you use "er" as the subject, it's not passive - it's active.

Who is getting the message? "er" What is gotten? "die Nachricht". So for the active construction, you're using "er" as the subject, and for the passive construction, you're using "die Nachricht" as the subject.

Active: Er erhält eine Nachricht.
Passive: Die Nachricht wird von ihm erhalten.

[cosmic tendon]

if i understand it that mean i need to say : "er hat geglaubt, dass er eine Nachricht gesendet worden ist."

[spring socket]

Pferd 🐴 did a great lesson on the passive recently, you can find his PowerPoint slides with examples in #lessons

[wise pendant]

Nope

[cosmic tendon]

er to ihm ?

Thank you @plain umbra for the explication !

[plain umbra]

No problem.

[cosmic tendon]

@wise pendant you too !

[fervent kernel]

Hallo, was heißt randbildende Strukturen? Der Satz lautet : Lage des Herzens mit randbildenden Strukturen

Ich nehme an, es heißt Strukturen, die den Rand des Herzens bilden?

Also nicht die Binnenstruktur?

[wintry geode]

Ja 👍

[fervent kernel]

Oki danke Primaxii

[spring socket]

eines Tages wirst du ein Haus besitzen. Dereinst wirst du ein Haus besitzen. Which of these sounds more natural/idiomatic?

[pliant mango]

First one, 100% (imo). I have never seen the word "Dereinst" in my life, sounds like a word I'd see in a poem or something, so yeah ^^

[near frost]

Yea 100% the first one. The second makes u sound stupid because no german uses that word

[long whale]

Ehh - excuse me, that sounds as if you don't get out much. ;)

[spring socket]

Thanks for your help

[near frost]

Well i never saw a german use Dereinst

[long whale]

"Dereinst" is usually used for "at some point so far away in the future, it's hard to envisage. :)

[spring socket]

that's the feeling I got from it, the book I read it in is set in the 1700s so I was unsure ☺️

[pliant mango]

TIL, wieder etwas gelernt 🙂

[dusty pendant]

wie sagt man "I don't care"?

or actually "I care" in any way
how do you express that?

[pliant mango]

I don't care = "(Das) ist mir egal"
I care = depends on the context. I care about/for you: "Ich sorge mich um dich" (could also be translated as "I am worried about you"
I care about this topic = "Ich interessiere mich für dieses Thema"
I am taking care of a patient (for example if you work as a health care person) = "Ich kümmere mich um einen Patienten" oder "Ich pflege einen Patienten" (but "pflegen" would be nursing in the sense of nursing someone back to health)
German has a lot of words for single English words, I feel haha

[dusty pendant]

I see, I get that
my native language doesn't really have one way to express "care", either
but " das ist mir egal" is particularly what I was looking for
going off of how it works in my mother tongue, I'd assume there's no way to make that positive?

[pliant mango]

You could say “Das ist mir nicht egal” which kinda means “I do care about it”

[dusty pendant]

but do people say it?

[pliant mango]

Yeah, like, if someone accused me of not caring about something, I’d say “Nein, es ist mir nicht egal”

[dusty pendant]

i see, thank you!

[unique dune]

dative

[near folio]

es ist ein Partizip, das als Adjektiv verwendet wird (und daher so dekliniert). Das Partizip ist das Partizip II von präsentieren.

Wiktionary hat meistens einen Eintrag für jede Deklination, dadurch kann man gut die "Quelle" eines Worts finden: https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/präsentiert

[fervent kernel]

Deutscher opfer is in genitive

You can see it also like this : die Angehörigen von den deutschen Opfern

It's pretty much the same

[pliant mango]

it saves you words and sounds .... more natural id say

like, it is a construct you would prefer at a higher level of german, probably

the meaning is ofc the same but yeah 🙂

[fervent kernel]

It's just a stylistic choice i would say

[pliant mango]

yeah, i mean id say the "deutscher Opfer" sounds way better than "von den deutschen Opfern" bc it flows better, so i guess stylistic would apply :3

[ancient pulsar]

Das ist aber ein leckerer Salat.

what does aber do here?

maybe it expresses that the result was better than i expected

or increases the implied emotion

[fervent kernel]

Yes

[ancient pulsar]

danke

[fervent kernel]

damn susana with the ak-47 tonight

[fervent kernel]

let me see if i got this "dereinst gibt es kein Covid mehr" or "dereinst werde ich abnehmen"

[fervent kernel]

if i want to say " this is why i will miss you one day" do i have to use darum,deshalb or deswegen ?

Darum/Deshalb/Deswegen werde ich dich dereinst vermissen

or does it komm drauf an, was die Person gemacht hat, was mich zu dieser Auffassung gelangen bracht

"ich war dir gegenüber immer zurvorkommend" "deshalb werde ich dich dereinst vermissen"

[swift bough]

The words deshalb, darum, and deswegen are all interchangeable

[long whale]

Neither. More like "Dereinst werden Menschen unsterblich sein" or "Dereinst, wenn die Sonne verglüht ist..."

[swift bough]

Unless someone asks you a question with „weshalb“ you‘re supposed to use deshalb (if necessary)

Weshalb? ~> Deshalb
Weswegen? ~> Deswegen
Warum? ~> Darum

[fervent kernel]

Can I say "ich habe genug um mich rumgelabbert" to say " I said enough about me"

[fervent kernel]

But the other one were I say "this is why I'll miss you" works right?

[sonic isle]

is this sentence correct? “Ich habe gegen covid19 Angst.”

[brazen epoch]

it is .. Ich habe vor covid19 Angst..

[pliant mango]

Or "Ich habe Angst vor covid19" works too :3

[glacial willow]

This is something I didn't really think about before, I just kind of got a sense for it

So you know how you say time after the verb usually

Like 'ich gehe jetzt zum Treffen'

Why is it sometimes the time goes after

like 'Wie war das Treffen gestern'

[gleaming sedge]

The subject in this sentence is das Treffen, hence it should be on the third position because the first position is already taken by the question pronoun (wie).

[glacial willow]

Ah I see, thank you very much!

[sonic isle]

Danke!

[sonic isle]

Danke!

[fervent kernel]

are there fixed kosenname for every name? like konrad wird always abgekurzt mit kunz

[pliant mango]

Not for every name. But for example in Austria, a person named Josef will often have the nickname "Sepp", a "Johann" will have the nickname "Hans", etc.

Theresa might be "Resi"

But not every name has these, I feel like it's particularly common for either popular and/or old names

can only speak for Austria tho

[fervent kernel]

can i tell you two names to see if they have any spitznamen?

[pliant mango]

i mean sure, I cant promise that i know the spitznamen if they exist but i will do my best 😄

[fervent kernel]

einmal für den Mario und einmal für die Ann-Kathrin

ann is my tante and mario is my uncle

i'd ask them but it's 01:00 😂

[pliant mango]

Well I don't know one for Mario cause that is kind of already so short it doesn't require a shortened form? and with Ann-Kathrin it's a hyphenated name, so idk, but Kathrin/Katharina is often shortened to Kathi

Ann/Anne is too short again, but I guess some people would call a person called Anne "Anni" to make it sound cuter? Tho some people are also just straight up legally called Anni

[fervent kernel]

thanks, that was very umgänglich von dir

[charred harbor]

Some people will put articles on names in Austria right? Like young children?

I hear some younger people do it but in school it’s discouraged so adults and the older generations don’t tend to as much

[ancient pulsar]

Am Freitag treffe ich mich wahrscheinlich mit meiner Freundin

what would change if take mich out?

[fervent kernel]

It would only make sense in the context of hitting something or meeting someone else.

But the sentence is incomplete

"Am Freitag treffe ich wahrscheinlich mit meiner Freundin eine Tontaube."

[fervent kernel]

I've seen that, I don't think it's exclusive to Austria.

Though maybe more widespread in the southern areas.

And it's also not exclusive to children.

[charred harbor]

Yeah I know it's quite widespread. I just think it's a lot bigger down there

[charred harbor]

I think it's discouraged in school as being improper so most adults don't do it as much

[long whale]

Well... are you talking about this person's death? 👀 In that case it might work.

[long whale]

It would stop making sense. Imagine removing "myself" from the sentence "I introduced myself to the class" 🤷

[long whale]

No, there isn't. Plus, it's a cultural thing (there have been various discussions about this over time): it's simply not customary in German, definitely not for adults. Many people will consider it rude if you shorten their name. :)

[fervent kernel]

What is a Artikel

[long whale]

"the" and "a" are Artikel in English.

[spring socket]

Der Sepp

[fervent kernel]

ok

how can i join the chanells

what role do i need

[long whale]

Read #getting-started :)

[ancient pulsar]

but it is meet

its a bit difficult to understand it when translating from english

and i thought i could use treffen without a reflexive

[long whale]

Yes, you can, but then it would just take a direct object "jemanden treffen", without the preposition, and it would mean "to accidentally run into someone" (or "to hit someone, with a thrown object or a gun). :)

[ancient pulsar]

oh, so it is like **Ich treffe meine Freundin - to accidentally run into her **
Ich treffe mich mit meiner Freundin - to actually meet her

[long whale]

Exactly. :)

[ancient pulsar]

didnt know that difference

thank you

So, would this make sense then **Ich werde meine Freundin treffen. **?

[long whale]

If you know she's going to be in a certain place at a certain time, and you're going there as well, you could say this. :)

It's like... if you use it reflexively, it makes it clear it was a date/an appointment/an agreed meeting. :)

[ancient pulsar]

yeah, exactly, i also thought so

[charred harbor]

"An" as well, technically :)

[cosmic tendon]

are these aktiv-passiv correct ?

• Niemand singt mit mir

• es wird mit mir nicht gesungen

• Niemand bring es mir

• es wird mir nicht gebracht.

• Niemand sagt es ihr

• es wird ihr nicht gesagt

• meine chefin schickt es ihm

• es wird ihm geschickt

[fervent kernel]

👍 Sieht gut aus

[autumn marsh]

Niemand bringt

meine Chefin

better get used to capitalization from the get go 😐 i know it's annoying ...

also, is it intentional that you leave out the Subject of the active sentence in the passive one?

i mean, your sentences are not wrong by any means, but if you'd be very strict it had to be something like:

• Niemand bringt es mir.
• Es wird mir von niemandem gebracht.

(typo correction)

[cosmic tendon]

yeah that was intentional ! i was working without using "von"

[autumn marsh]

nice, then it's perfect 👍

[copper depot]

hey can i get help with feste prepositionen

like wat will be for versteht

mit or aus

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/verstehen "(jemanden/etwas) verstehen"

[copper depot]

so the feste prepositionen is.?

ah wait

nvm

im dumb

got it

thanks

[fervent kernel]

what is better to use jüngsten or neulichen?

as in "the recent xyz"

U usally use "neusten"

[weak mist]

neuesten

letzte

kürzlich

they could also work

depends more on the context i believe

[fervent kernel]

Jup

[weak mist]

nooo

i was reading lol

[autumn marsh]

"that always ends bad"

imagine a Bazooka that fires backwards

"losgehen" is "to start going", "to take off", "to begin"

so if the bazooka fires backwards, people get hurt. that's what it says, basically.

[dusty pendant]

how do you change plural possessive pronouns?
like how meiner/deiner/seiner/etc. work in singular?
having a bit of a hard time figuring out how to change them

[autumn marsh]

base is mein/sein/dein

then you add the ending according to the case

that's it, basically...

[dusty pendant]

oh i'm dumb

i meant to write plurals

in the 2nd line

like is "euer" in dative just euern?

[toxic zinc]

The verb in that sentence is the machen at the end of the whole sentence.

Alarmierend ist, dass immer mehr Frauen und Kinder unter den Toten sind - ein Hinweis, dass sich nicht mehr nur arbeitssuchende junge Männer, sondern ganze Familien auf den Weg machen.

You're welcome! 😄

The verb in this case is "worden".

Its in Present Perfect

[autumn marsh]

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/worden

tl;dr: the ge- gets dropped because the meaning of the sentence sits in "enttäuscht", not "worden"

compare:

"Der Mann ist beliebt geworden" > the man became popular
"Der Mann ist beliebt gemacht worden" > the man has been made popular

[fervent kernel]

Awer etliche hon net een kemiitlich leepe uf kep.

Any idea as for what this means?

[autumn marsh]

maybe "gemütliches Leben"

"Aber etliche (=viele) haben schon (? my take on net here) ein gemütliches Leben auf (kep?)"

but that's a pure guess

[fervent kernel]

Thanks! I think that's perfect 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Maybe "Aber etliche haben nicht ein gemütliches Leben aufgeben"?

[autumn marsh]

might be, idk

hard to tell without context

[fervent kernel]

Please I require assistance

This too

[unique dune]

with?

[icy flax]

Which truly "extremely cheap deal" have u guys on the blck friday made?

Maybe find here one or another one (as u may already know) a great sugestion/idea!

(The most of the offers are in reality, as one might expect, not so great how they are presented/put out)

[icy flax]

Whats the best/most creative method to "out of [a group of] 4 people" pull the black cat?

(Meaning, how to pick whos gonna have the worst place/position)

They said they have only 3 comfy places, but are 4 people, and they want to pick whos the bad luck one that gonna stay in the bad place. That's all

I tried to keep 1:1 word in the translations, but there are better, more idiomatic, ways of translating it.

[icy flax]

Oh, yeah, and at the end, other German speaker pops up w "yo, dude, you meant the black Peter, not the black cat"

[fervent kernel]

👍

[potent hawk]

Habe ich meine Absicht aus dem Englischen richtig ins Deutsche übertragen? Ist mein Satz auf Deutsch grammatikalisch korrekt?
I wrote this for the sake of decency, but in reality I would prefer if you would prioritize reviewing my text.
Ich habe das um der Anständigkeit willen geschrieben, aber in der Wirklichkeit bevorzuge ich es, wenn du der Überprüfung meines Textes Vorrang gäbest.

[long whale]

Ich habe das um der Anständigkeit willen anstandshalber geschrieben, aber in der Wirklichkeit bevorzuge ich es wäre es mir lieber, wenn [du der Überprüfung meines Textes Vorrang gäbest] jemand meinen Text korrigieren würde. :) @potent hawk

[fervent kernel]

Are there Sprichworte to say "that train has already left the station for me" meaning that I already did or can no longer to something I could have done or had

[long whale]

Not sure I understand your question. That's called an idiomatic expression (Redensart), not Sprichwort: https://www.redensarten-index.de/suche.php?suchbegriff=~~der+Zug+ist+abgefahren&suchspalte[]=rart_ou

Or were you looking for an alternative? @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Oh okay, what's the difference between them?

Like Redewendung, Redensart, Spruch, Sprichwort, sprichart, rede

[long whale]

sprichart, rede https://www.dwds.de/wb/Sprichwort vs. https://www.dwds.de/wb/Redewendung :)

[potent hawk]

Dieser Teil deines Vorschlags ("jemand meinen Text korrigieren würde" ) ändert aber meine Bedeutung. Ich will es hervorheben, dass ich mich freuen würde, wenn diese Person die Überprüfung meines Textes vorgängig behandelt. Du hast meinen originalen Satz in Klammer geschrieben. Was bedeutet das oder worauf möchtest du mich aufmerksam machen?

[long whale]

I put this part into brackets, because it's perfectly correct, grammar-wise. Since you already said you'd prefer somebody to look over your text, you don't need the 2nd "prioritize", but that's content, not grammar. Using "du" is a little confusing, since you meant "somebody/whoever reads this", right? That's why I suggested "jemand" instead. :)

[potent hawk]

"...since you meant "somebody/whoever reads this", right? "
oh okay, I understand your meaning much better now. I used du because this sentence was meant for a specific individual, I was talking to, and I know him well. I cannot place such demands on strangers 😛

Thanks again for introducing me to a new emoji XD

[long whale]

I cannot place such demands on strangers

You'd be surprised! 😄

[random wraith]

Hi so what's the difference between "Entschuldigen" and "Verzeihung"

[long whale]

*Entschuldigung - no difference.

[random wraith]

Ah ok

Danke schön

[spring socket]

Wilhelm turning in his grave right now

[long whale]

Mm, you're absolutely right. Edited accordingly. :)

[long whale]

Direct translation from French: La Manche = der Ärmel (sleeve)

So, better ask the French.

[delicate tiger]

"ums Leben kommen" -> "to lose one's life"

[long whale]

ums = um das

[spring socket]

It's like 'to pass away' right? A bit softer that 'er/sie ist tot'

[long whale]

No, not at all. It means exactly the same as "to lose your life", i.e. you wouldn't use it for somebody who's died of old age.

um + verb (bringen/kommen/betrügen/geschehen) can generally indicate loss. :)

[spring socket]

Zwei Männer sind erstochen worden. Einer von denen ist ums Leben gekommen.

Two men have been stabbed. One of them lost their lives

Not one of them passed away

Like that?

[long whale]

"jemanden erstechen" = to stab s.o. to death (same with *erschießen, ertrinken, erfrieren)

So, it would extremely strange if both were stabbed to death, but only one of them died. 🤷

[spring socket]

Ooh, i didn't know dying was built into the verb haha. That sentence makes me laugh now 😄

[north imp]

yea seems alright

[spring quiver]

Yes

Put the verb behind

[small sundial]

Leute eine Frage, gibt es hier Rechtschreib, Komma oder Grammatikfehler?

"Dies ist vor allem dem zu verdanken, dass Unterrichtsgespräche immer noch grundsätzlich nach dem Muster „Lehrerfrage-Schülerantwort-Lehrerfeedback“ folgen und es deswegen unmöglich ist, eine kognitiv aktivierende, dynamische Unterrichtsgestaltung zu erreichen."

[north imp]

correct

[small sundial]

danke sehr!!

[long whale]

"habe sei so verfahren" is what it should be. I.e. that is how France acted towards refugees arrived in Malta.

[north imp]

habe isnt wrong either

[long whale]

erfolgen :)

[small sundial]

Danke schön!!:)

Noch eine Frage

"Damit stellt sich die Frage, ob durch den Einsatz von digitalen Medien bzw. Tablets im Grammatikunterricht bessere Lernleistungen erzielt werden können und eine kognitiv aktivierende Unterrichtsgestaltung erreicht werden kann."

[rare jetty]

Perfect sentence

[small sundial]

danke schön guys

[pallid crane]

Why i cant go to the voice chat &

?

[spiral vapor]

hi! is there a word for a class president but an equivalent for university? [in german ofc]

[wintry geode]

I don't know for universities but for school it is "Klassensprecher"

[spiral vapor]

thanks anyway, idk if you guys even have something like that in Germany

any ideas would be nice

im lost

[proven sphinx]

I don't think it's quite as formalized as in the US, but at least in my case it was quite common for there to be someone in the class as a representative for the school.

"Klassensprecher" was probably coined in analogy with "Pressesprecher" (press spokesperson).

[spiral vapor]

idk how it's in the US either

group of students isn't really a class, but I guess it's the best we can get

thank you qwq

[swift bough]

I’m from the US and that’s actually exactly what it is here. Like the kids that I all knew in grade school and middle school were all „in my class“ so to speak. A class can also be a list of students in the role-call for a specific subject during a certain hour.

[spring socket]

Dass du allerdings 3 Jahre lang Gina als Lügnerin hast dastehen lassen, finde ich echt krass. Das hinterlässt ein komisches Gefühl.

Am I to take from this that 'lassen' always goes to the end instead of 'haben'? I thought modal verbs took priority

[swift bough]

What’s happening is, when you build the perfect tense with two verbs (here lassen and dastehen) there is no participle, and the helping Verb is supposed to come first. It happens in lots of other cases, it isn’t something special just for lassen.

[proven sphinx]

You started with the subordinate clause here, which is why "lassen" comes last.

[spring socket]

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean

[proven sphinx]

You could just as well say: "Ich finde echt krass, dass du allerdings 3 Jahre lang Gina als Lügnerin hast dastehen lassen."

[swift bough]

Which part of it?

Like do you not know what a helping Verb or participle is

[proven sphinx]

In any case, "lassen" here basically works as a modal verb.

[swift bough]

Lassen isn’t a modal verb itself though

[proven sphinx]

It's kind of a pseudo-modal verb.

At least in this case.

[spring socket]

Oh I see, it's just a rule with subordinate clauses in this sense?

[proven sphinx]

Well, it's a bit more complicated than that, since the conjugated verb usually comes last in a subordinate clause.

[swift bough]

It’s not really to do with subordinate clauses. You could have a main clause like that as well.

[spring socket]

I don't know what the perfect tense is or what the participle is

[proven sphinx]

Ich habe gesehen = Perfekt

[swift bough]

Perfekt is a tense

[proven sphinx]

gesehen = participle

habe = Personalform

[swift bough]

It’s the most common form of the past tense in German

[spring socket]

Digga 😄

[swift bough]

And particles typically start with ge-

[proven sphinx]

Participles.

"particle" is something else...

[swift bough]

Yeah it was autocorrect I swear I typed participle

I typed it before like 5 times lol

[spring socket]

oh, present perfect?

[swift bough]

Anyway

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it's basically like that, but in German it's just called "Perfekt".

[spring socket]

I see

[swift bough]

If you only had one verb you would usually end up with a participle and a helping verb

But with 2 verbs German uses both in their infinitive instead

[proven sphinx]

https://deutschegrammatik20.de/spezielle-verben/verb-lassen/

Basically, "lassen" is a weird case.

[swift bough]

But the helping verb still has to exist so it’s also there because otherwise it wouldn’t be a complete Perfekt tense

[proven sphinx]

It acts similarly to a modal verb without actually being one.

Ich habe mein Fahrrad reparieren lassen.

Like in this case.

[spring socket]

Alright, I'll have to take time to consider what you guys have said. Thanks guys

[swift bough]

What makes it weird in this case though, I think I‘m missing what you mean

[proven sphinx]

Because it doesn't work in all contexts, I guess?

You can say "Ich möchte/will/kann/könnte kommen", but you can't say "Ich lasse kommen".

[swift bough]

Well yeah I mean you can’t use it in combination with just any verb either

Yeah

I mean it’s a very important verb as well it has a ton of different uses

I‘m just not sure if I would classify it as a modal verb

[proven sphinx]

"Ich habe mein Fahrrad reparieren lassen" is very similar in structure to "Ich habe mein Fahrrad reparieren müssen/können/sollen."

That's why it's kind of a pseudo-modal verb in these contexts.

[swift bough]

I can see what you mean, it does have that function. Apart from that though, it’s not really a modal verb.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, exactly.

[swift bough]

Yep, understood fine 😅

[fervent veldt]

Was meint "zwar"? Oder wie kann man es in Englisch übersetzen?

[north imp]

Translation: namely, even though
Ex: Es passt mir zwar nicht, aber ich werde es dennoch tun. - I don't like it, but I will do it anyway.
Sie haben ein Kind, und zwar einen Sohn. - They have one child and that happens to be a son.

[fervent kernel]

is there a place where i can ask music recommendation for german music?

like reddit or discord

[fervent kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJEOZHVToho

[near folio]

deine Frage kann ich zwar nicht direkt beantworten, aber diese Playlist könnte dir gefallen: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK-reIe95En_LuRD3aLc6zAOcrws-M7oE

[fervent kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/771882829981679676.gif?v=1

[slate yacht]

Does it make sense to mean "Never doubt me "?
"Hinterfrage mich niemals"

[icy flax]

This is "ask me the whys never"

The standard for what u lookin would b "zweifle nie an mich" oder "bezweifle mich nie"

[slate yacht]

I just heard it in the song "Hinterfrage niemals den Kampf, der gilt dem Blut und Vaterland". And that confused me.

[icy flax]

Ahhh, its like "do not question why to fight, it's worth the blood and the country (a bit of the nation, a lot of patriotism in this term)" hehe

[slate yacht]

Danke schön!

[long whale]

*zweifle nie an mich mir

(an jemandem zweifeln)

[icy flax]

Aii, Dativ, oke haha

@slate yacht, i thought it was akkusativ w zweifeln, it's dativ hehe. Check Susanas correction

(:

[slate yacht]

🤝

[fervent kernel]

Hallo, guten nacht. I speak English but have been using duolingo and need a other source for learning. Anyone wanna help teach me?

Das salat mit das mineralvasse

Anyone? Maybe... I’m kinda left hanging here
😦

[plain umbra]

Right now is the quiet time of day on the server. However, if you want to practice with others as a beginner, #beginner-german is probably the best. #questions and #questions-2 are mostly for asking questions about the language, like when you get stuck on a grammar topic and so on.

Check out #getting-started for how to use the server.

And our resource list.

Feel free to try out this program too.

faq nicos

[stoic mauve]

nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469/

[fervent kernel]

I encountered this and I'm wondering what the hell it means

Logo means probably Logik? Mucki i, entirely casually, learned it means Muskeln

Bude, no idea

Also, can i use the word "logo" like " of course"?

[long whale]

"Logo!" is very much like "Of course!", but it's also very colloquial. And yes, it's an abbreviation of "logisch/logical". "Muckibude" is a colloquial expression for a fitness center. "die Bude" is the word for "stall", as used for the small house-like places where street food (Imbissbude) or other things are sold on markets (die Buden auf dem Weihnachtsmarkt). It's also sometimes used colloquially for "home" ("sturmfreie Bude haben" = be able to have a party because a teenager's parents aren't at home) or somebody's room (Räum deine Bude auf! = Clean up your room!). :)

[fervent kernel]

that seems like a cool word to use

[long whale]

That little graph in the upper right hand corner tells you it isn't (anymore): https://www.dwds.de/wb/logo

[swift bough]

Yeah I was gonna say I talk to a lot of people my age from Germany (early 20s) and never heard that one before

[long whale]

Mm. Feels more like a word parents would use when they want to sound cool. 😹

[fervent kernel]

What would be a more recent word?

Normal?

[long whale]

Better ask @swift bough :D

[long whale]

Normal would be "Na klar", "Na sicher", I guess.

[swift bough]

yeah I think I hear na klar more than na sicher though, but even more than that just "klar!"
but it can be context dependent, like sometimes you will say "gern(e)" as in "of course I would like to" but you also hear "auf jeden Fall" which basically says the same thing, then there is the word "safe" which is used as a "cool version" of "bestimmt" or "sicher"

like you will literally sometimes hear "ja safe"

it doesn't get used the same as the english meaning

[robust smelt]

What are the first things I should start learning in German?

[plain umbra]

Go to #botchannel and type >faq beginner to see a list.

[robust smelt]

Ouh tysm

This is very informative thank you immensely

[rare jetty]

Yes it is actually used pretty often

[whole portal]

The 2.

[long whale]

If it were the first, the verb would needs have to be in singular, since it would refer to "what". 🤷

[spring socket]

Arrakis' zahlreiche Gefahren würden das zu einem teuren Unterfangen machen. I'm curious about the apostrophe here, I thought German didn't need them for posession

[scenic drift]

it's because Arrakis ends in s

if you want to mark the genitive form of a word that ends in s (and ss, z, x...) you need to use an apostrophe at the end rather than the genitive s :)

[delicate tiger]

if the Planet was called "Arraki", "Arrakis" would be correct

[spring socket]

here there is no genitive, right? Otherwise it would be something like die zahlreichen Gefahren des Arrakis'?

[scenic drift]

No, the start of the sentence is genitive. Arrakis’s countless dangers.

[spring socket]

If I were to say hast du Adelheids Auto gesehen ? , that would count as genitive?

[long whale]

It is Genitiv. 🤷

What else would it be?

[spring socket]

I always thought genitive was like 'die Tasche der Frau' or 'die Waffe eines Mörders' and that Adelheids Auto was just a non-genitive way of showing possession. Well I've learnt something new ☺️

[long whale]

I see. Yes, these days, this only works with proper names. In old books and poems, you'll find things like "des Mörders Waffe", though. :)

[spring socket]

I'm going to make a flashcard out of this rule, thank you! @delicate tiger and @long whale too

[delicate tiger]

der Adelheit ihr Auto (don't use, dialect)

[small sundial]

"Die Ergebnisse dieser Studien zeigten auch deutlich, dass nicht davon ausgegangen werden kann, dass digitale Medien einen direkten Einfluss auf die fachliche Leistung haben und der Einsatz von Tablets allein die Unterrichtsprozesse nicht studentenzentrierter und problemorientierter macht."

gibt es hier Rechtschreib, Komma oder Grammatikfehler?

[long whale]

No errors, no. If you wanted to make the sentence a bit more reader-friendly, I'd suggest removing "dass nicht davon ausgegangen werden kann", but then you'd have to change "einen [direkten]" to "keinen [direkten]. :)

[small sundial]

Oh wow, thank youuu for the tips! I'm gonna change it

"Bei der Auswertung dieser Videos fiel jedoch auf, dass einige Videos nicht zur Auswertung geeignet waren, da einige Schülerinnen und Schüler mit den Funktionen des Tablets nicht vertraut waren und Hilfe benötigten oder sich nicht konzentrieren konnten."

I know I'm asking too many questions but it's hard for me to realise if I'm using old, obsolete idioms or I'm making small grammer errors that can change the meaning of the text, sorry

[long whale]

No, it's fine. I'd avoid using "Auswertung" twice, though: either replace the 2nd one with "dafür" or with "Analyse" (for example). :)

[small sundial]

Great tips! I didnt realise that I'm using that word twice. Thanks for your help!! 🙏

[north imp]

bist du deutsch lehrerIn oder so?

[long whale]

No. Just very, very old. :)

[small sundial]

One more question. I'm not sure about the structure, there should be something wrong but I couldn't find it out

"Die Videos wurden nach den kognitiv aktivierenden Unterrichtsgestaltungskriterien von Stahns (2013) bewertet und die Ergebnisse zeigten, dass die Schüler im Grammatikunterricht ohne Tableteinsatz deutlich weniger aktiv waren als die Lehrkraft (63 % der Beiträge kamen von der Lehrkraft) und nur 37% (23,77 / 72,02 Minuten) der Redezeit in Klassendiskussionen ausmachten."

[long whale]

ausmachten beanspruchten

[small sundial]

Should I use "entfallen auf" instate of "ausmachen"? I mean, "auf die Schüler 37% (23,77 / 72,02 Minuten) der Redezeit in Klassendiskussionen entfielen"?

[small sundial]

Ah okey, I didn't know that word 😄

[distant mason]

Hi where could I post my homework so someone could tell me if I have to cerectly?

[long whale]

Yes, good alternative. (I was trying to correct it without changing more than the verb) :)

[scenic drift]

i would say #questions (or #questions-2 😉 ), or #writing if it's a written exercise you'd like corrected :)

[fallen galleon]

Its already questions channel jokes on u

[small sundial]

I'm considering using your suggestion, instead of rearranging the sentence. I appreciate your help so much 😌

[fervent kernel]

isn't entfallen used to say you forgot something?

"das genaue Datum ist mir entfallen"

[icy flax]

it also is.

[junior mist]

Is TeKaMoLo a legitimate rule for constructing sentences?

[scenic drift]

why would it not be...?

like, yes, that is the standard way of ordering bits in a sentence

[spring socket]

Tekamolo sounds like a voodoo curse

[junior mist]

Idk, I heard some people say it wasn't accurate so I wanted second opinions

[mellow nova]

what does that mean

[fervent kernel]

😂😂

[junior mist]

Like, it wasn't a rule that was commonly used

[mellow nova]

nah I meant what us tekamolo

I've never heard of that

[long whale]

Time-cause-manner-place

[mellow nova]

ohhh adverb order

interesting

ty

[spiral vapor]

sorry for late reply but thanks
all in all I decided to scrap the idea of using this word

[long whale]

Well... obviously, there is the fact that anything can be in Pos 1 in a German sentence - at least in theory. But if you want a good rule of thumb for how to construct a German sentence which is a bit more complex than "Die Katze ist grau" or "Tom lernt Deutsch", tekamolo is generally pretty helpful. :)

[fervent kernel]

i can't do the german N+G, please how do i fix it?

[mellow nova]

? as in what