questions-2

[dry grotto]

Weißt du, wie der Film heißt? Nein, ich habe den Titel des Films vergessen
it this sentence grammatically correct?

[hollow vapor]

"Ich kann Ihnen vorschlagen, dass Sie die Aufgaben einfacher machen." is it correct?

[long whale]

100% :)

[long whale]

Ich schlage Ihnen vor, die Aufgaben einfacher zu machen - ?

[scenic drift]

das Mädchen? :P

[wise pendant]

You could just use the pronoun acc. to the gender. But sometimes you just don't

[fervent kernel]

Sagst du "Ich habe den Lehrer unterbrochen" oder "Ich habe der Lehrer unterbrochen" ?
und warum

[swift bough]

den

Weil „ich“ schon das Subjekt des Satzes ist

Das heißt der Lehrer muss in diesem Fall ein grammatikalisches Objekt sein

[icy flax]

what is "acc"?

[plain umbra]

According to, maybe.

[icy flax]

ahh, thx!

[fervent kernel]

Hello, what's the difference between Immobilie and Eigentum? When do we use one or the other?

[oak hatch]

Immobilie is used for houses, building places for houses or other big buildings.
Eigentum you can use for your personal things, like "Diese Kette ist mein Eigentum" or in english, "This bracelet is my property." Eigentum is used for things, which are owned by someone.

[fervent kernel]

Ohhhh alright, thank you so much!

[fervent kernel]

Ich?

idk

yes

you are yourself

so makes sense

idk

from google translate, selbst = self apparently

so duselbst

I'm not that good ask in #questions its more active

[plain umbra]

Depends on the exact context/sentence.

[scenic drift]

in the context of "please see yourself out" i'd maybe say "bitte begleiten Sie sich selbst hinaus."

sich and selbst

i'm not sure that's very idiomatic though 🤔

[plain umbra]

Yes. It can be reflexive (dich or dir, depending on case) or you have the word selbst (self) and different sentences will vary by those.

I think you probably want to look into reflexive verbs. That might be your best starting point.

[autumn marsh]

yep. cause 'yourself' can also become: mir. or mich.

Ich reinige mich. > i am cleaning myself.

Ich schenke mir das Buch. > I am giving myself the book as a present

[fervent kernel]

yeah

even weirder stuff a while back

[autumn marsh]

this is something we say differently, like 'Gehen Sie bitte.', or "Sie wissen wo der Ausgang ist, nun gehen sie bitte"

[long whale]

It isn't, no. You'd say "Du findest/Sie finden selbst hinaus", which would be phrased as a question, to be more polite, by adding something like "oder?" or "nicht wahr?" :)

[scenic drift]

thanks susana!

[long whale]

Try yourself - by using "selbst" ;)

[autumn marsh]

Well, i wouldn't agree on that one, as this can be used in very normal, polite conversations aswell, while "See yourself out." is only used when you want the other to leave - usually on bad terms

while saying: "Du findest selbst raus? (Oder soll ich dich begleiten?)" is polite

[long whale]

This is what my reply was about: #questions-2 message

[autumn marsh]

this might be different all over germany, but here in the Rheinland this is would not taken offensive by any standard, although i'd agree some might take it as a little "rough around the edges", overly direct

[autumn marsh]

yea i know, still i'm saying we do not have an equivalent to that in German, we phrase that differently if we want the other to leave 😄

[long whale]

As far as I know, my translation is the exact equivalent. Neither mikey nor I were talking about the thing you mean. 🤷

[autumn marsh]

yea idk, maybe it's me, but i've not "see yourself out" in a polite fashion ever, so i thought the discussion was implying the "I want you to leave"-part

or rather, okay... rephrasing it:

it is polite, but it's still a polite way of saying: "I want you to leave", while what you wrote is polite and saying: "i assume you don't need my help finding the exit? You don't have to leave, but if you want to, you can help yourself?"

but again, maybe this is just me and my insufficient english

Okay. Yea, there is no real equivalent for that in German then, we say things like:

Gehen Sie bitte > Please leave.
Bitte verlassen Sie uns. > i want you to leave (direct translation: please leave us)
Verlassen Sie uns, sofort. > leave us, now

i do like "See yourself out" a lot, in general there are some real neat ways to be very polite and not confronting someone verbally directly in English that we just do not have in German. We're generally more direct just about everything.

[icy flax]

Ich bin mir nicht sicher ob meine Transkription perfekt ist, gibt sie überhaupt Sinn? Ich glaub, er hat nicht genau "Feigling" aber n dres Wort, das "Lampegenie" bedeutet.

_Auch im Buch steht zur Neigkultur, und zwar diese Neigkultur rauszukriegen: wenn in Deutschland jemand iwie Erfolg hatte, der muss iwie Schmugglen gemacht haben; da hat er bestimmt iwas gemauschelt, das kann gar nicht sein. Warum freuen wir nicht wenn ein Nachbarn Erfolg hatte? Wenn man einen Deutscher fragt, dann kommt ein Feigling kommt an deine Tür, und sagt, pass mal auf, du hast einen Wunsch frei, aber deinen Nachbarn kriegt das doppelt.
Was ist die Antwort?

Stich mir eine Auge aus.
Nee? Das ist ja blödsinn, ne, das ist ja absolut blödsinn. Und davon müssen wir weg._

[delicate tiger]

Hast du die Tonspur? "Neigkultur"->"Neidkultur" (und andere kleinere Fehler)

[icy flax]

Tonspur? Meinst du die Aufnahme mit der genauen Zeitmarke? Er.. Ja! Ist auf Spotify, hast dus?

1:10:32
Treffen sich Welten
Podcast-Folge 6
Mobilitätspionier Kampker trifft Wissenschaftsjournalist Hirschhausen

[delicate tiger]

Und genau das ist eigentlich die Idee auch von dem Buch, das reinzukriegen, und auch, zweite große Story, diese Neidkultur rauszukriegen: wenn in Deutschland jemand Erfolg hat, dann muss er irgendwie Schmu gemacht haben, dann hat er bestimmt irgendwas gemauschelt, das kann gar nicht sein. Warum freuen wir uns nicht, wenn ein Nachbar Erfolg hat? Wenn man einen Deutschen fragt, dann kommt 'ne Fee, klingelt an deiner Tür, und fragt: pass mal auf, du hast einen Wunsch frei, aber dein Nachbar kriegt das doppelte.
Was ist die Antwort?
Stich mir ein Auge aus.
Ne, so, und das ist ja Blödsinn, ne, das ist ja absoluter Blödsinn. Und davon müssen wir weg.

@icy flax

[slim yew]

what is the correct word order for je … desto

[icy flax]

Genial! Danke Dir, Directing du Tröpfchen! (:
Ich lag ganz nah, oder? Hehe, machte aber lustige paar Fehler kkkkk

[long whale]

As you can see, subordinate verb order (verb at the end) after "je", main clause word order after "desto + adjective/adverb" (which is Pos 1) :)

[slim yew]

i made this

[brittle moon]

wow not bad

[swift bough]

@meager wraith we have a Channel more geared towards this kind of thing which is #writing

[meager wraith]

oh ok I didn't see it I'll go there ty

[slim yew]

for adjective and adverb order but im not sure am i correct

[rose gazelle]

Nobody asked but I like your handwriting so much

[opaque plume]

hallo

how do you say in german

don't attribute me feature that I don't have

[strong blade]

Why?

[fervent veldt]

Was meint das?

[paper sentinel]

Who want to message in german?

[wintry geode]

You can always write in German in #german-only

[harsh basalt]

If you say " am wichtigsten " it means "the most important" If you want to make it even much more important as it already is you say " am allerwichtigsten" - I hope that helped.

[fervent veldt]

Thanks

[steep geyser]

Anyone learning German language by listening to podcasts??

[gaunt harbor]

Ein bisschen. Ich höre von Zeit zu Zeit das Easy Germany Podcast

[steep geyser]

I see..

How to learn from podcast??

Means the technique of podcast usage.

[shut briar]

Gibt es eine Entsprechung von pick up auf Deutsch?

Like i picked up a language

[scenic drift]

i would just use "gelernt" here, nothing more idiomatic comes to mind

[shut briar]

Wouldn't gelernt mean that it was deliberate, like i went to classes and stuff... something that says it just happened that i learned the language

Ok can you tell me this.
Ich habe die Grammatikregeln von Hören und Lesen ergründet

This makes sense?

[wise pendant]

I can't speak from learning German as I'm a native, but generally from my own second language learning.
The best thing would be to listen to things you are interested in, but no mater what you listen to in the end it should be comprehensible. If you don't understand most of it the effect on your learning will be minimal. But if you understand like 80 to 98 percent that's about optimal.
So in the start my recommendation would be to listen to something where you don't just have to rely on the voices themselves to understand, like in a video format.
If you are however a bit more advanced already, there is a technique called shadowing where you imitate whats being said, ie you repeat everything that has been said. That not only improves your understanding but also directly improves your ability to produce speech. But while shadowing you still need to e able to understand what you are repeating, to activate those parts of the brain.
In the end just listen for fun, whenever possible. You know podcasts are great for listening when doing something else or commuting etc, but if you don't actively listen to whats being said you are also not learning so much from it.
So when listening to a podcast try to devout your whole attention to whats being said.

[autumn marsh]

jetzt habe ich selber eine Frage. vielleich gibt es ja einen Experten, der mir helfen kann 😂

Eine Freundin stelle mir folgende Frage:

Das ist meine Katze. Sie/die ist süß
ich hab mehrmals die Artikel in Nominativ als Subjekt gesehen, aber bin nicht sicher, wann oder warum man das benutzt

Eigentlich dachte ich, dass es dafür eine relativ einfache Antwort gibt, sowas wie: "Für unbelebte Dinge benutzt man keine Personalpronomen" o.ä., aber das stimmt nicht:

"Das ist mein Schrank. Der ist so schön"
"Das ist mein Hund. Er ist so süß.
"Das ist mein Auto. Es ist schnell."
"Das ist mein Freund. Er ist unzuverlässig"

"Schau mal, mein Hund! *zeigt Foto*"

Wow, der ist ja süß!
"Ja, und das ist mein Schrank."
Oh, der ist ja schön!

"Was hälst du von meinem Schrank?"

Ich finde, er ist sehr schön!
"Und was hälst du von meinem Hund?"
Ich finde,** der** ist auch sehr schön!

Egal wie sehr ich versuche, da irgendeine Regelmäßigkeit zu finden, ich finde einfach keine 🤷 Hat irgendjemand eine Idee, ob es da eine Regel gibt? Denn es gibt ja durchaus Beispiele, bei denen entweder "er" oder "der" usw. blöd/falsch klingen:

"Das ist meine Katze. Die ist sehr süß." >> das ist grammatisch gesehen nicht falsch, aber klingt blöd

Dagegen klingt das hier gar nicht blöd:

"Das ist meine Katze. Die ist so süß!"

[night dagger]

"Das ist meine Katze. Die ist sehr süß." - klingt das eigentlich blöd?

[autumn marsh]

ich find schon, dass das blöd klingt, aber falsch ist es nicht und ich würde niemanden dafür komisch angucken, wenn derjenige es so verwendet

[brave flume]

Könnte mir jemand einen Tipp geben wie ich besser auf groß und kleinschreibung achte. Weil ich oft fehler wegen dem habe.

[night dagger]

hmmm, vielleicht solltest du den Grund ein wenig mehr hinterfragen. ich frage mich, ob ein anderer Muttersprachler hier die gleiche Meinung hat. ich glaub, deine Meinung ist nicht so untypisch, weil ich schon einmal etwas Ähnliches gehört hab, aber ich frage mich auch, ob es dialektal ist oder sowas.

ist es einfach eine Frage des Stils?

[autumn marsh]

ehrlich keine Ahnung. Daher frage ich ja 😅

[night dagger]

lol na klar, aber leider kann ich die persönlich nicht antworten, weil ich nur seit einem Jahr Deutsch lerne :)

[gleaming sedge]

I asked the same question to my teacher. Let me check

Er/es/sie (Personalpronomen) stands for “it”, while der/das/die (Demonstrativpronomen) stands for “that”. She said that it depends on what you want to say but they function the same.

🤷

[night dagger]

ich weiß nicht, meine Meinung nach klingt "Das ist meine Katze. Die ist sehr süß." nicht so komisch. ich benutze Demonstrativpronomen einfach, wenn ich das Nomen schon erwähnt hab; also das Demonstrativpronomen und sein Bezug sind offensichtlich.

[autumn marsh]

dafür, dass du erst seit einem Jahr Deutsch lernst, kannst du aber schon echt gut schreiben 😮

[night dagger]

danke dir :) meine Goethe-Ergebnisse mit Schreiben und Sprechen waren fast perfekt :)

[autumn marsh]

ziemlich beeindruckend 😮 was ist deine Muttersprache?

[night dagger]

Englisch

[autumn marsh]

nicht schlecht Herr Specht

[night dagger]

lol

es geht

[versed dragon]

»Es wäre tragisch«, sagte ich, »wenn Unfruchtbarkeit je das Ergebnis der Freiheit sein sollte.

What's the role of "je" in this sentence?

I saw it have multiple meanings and it's sometimes confusing

[night dagger]

it's short for jemals

have you tried translating this stuff yourself first? :)

[versed dragon]

Yes

If I translate it into my mind it makes perfect sense without using "je"

so I just see it as what it would say without it

but then I also wanna know the full meaning

so, it says
It would be tragic if unfruitfulness was ever the outcome of freedom?

[autumn marsh]

yep

[versed dragon]

thank you

[lime crater]

whats thw differbce between leben and lebst

[night dagger]

Conjugation

Wir leben hier, du lebst hier, usw

[lime crater]

im@sorry that doesnt really help

[night dagger]

faq conjugation

[stoic mauve]

conjugation

Präsens (Present Tense)
When you use a verb in a sentence (or clause), you have to conjugate it (change the form) to match the subject of the sentence (or clause).

For example, in English, we write I eat but he/she eats. The verb has a different ending! The concept is the same in German, except German has more endings.

The first thing you need to know in order to conjugate verbs is: which ending fits which subject? Here is a simple verb “trinken” (to drink) as an example:

trinken
ich trinke
du trinkst
er/sie/es trinkt
wir trinken
ihr trinkt
sie trinken / Sie trinken
(Note: the conjugation for sie (they) and Sie (formal you) is always the same)

Vowel/Stem Changes
There are a few variations and exceptions, but the most important is vowel changes (also called stem changes). Some verbs get a vowel change, which only affects the du and er/sie/es forms of the verb. (However, modal verbs and wissen have their own special pattern, which also has a vowel change in the ich form.)

Example: ich schlafe, du schläfst

Other Changes
There are various other differences but I can’t describe them all here, so please read these websites or use Google to find more information: https://www.vistawide.com/german/grammar/german_verbs_present_tense.htm
https://www.thoughtco.com/german-present-tense-verbs-4074838
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/PresentTense/Present.html

[night dagger]

@lime crater ^

[lime crater]

that still doesnt help me. i know the differnce is conjugation. i just csnt figure out what it translates to really. like i inow it means live but

[night dagger]

lebst is just a different form(conjugation) of the verb leben.

in simple sentences with just one verb such as leben: you will use lebst with "du", example: (du lebst hier), and you will use leben with "wir" and "Sie", example: (wir leben hier). @lime crater

conjugation does not change the meaning of the verb, rather it is reflective of who is being communicated with

[acoustic breach]

Ich lebe: I live
Du lebst: you live
Er/sie/es lebt: he/she/it lives
Wir/sie/Sie leben: we/they/You live

^translation

Hallo alle,
Ich möchte wissen, welcher richtig ist

"Ich fahre gerade nach Zuhause"
"Ich fahre nach Zuhause gerade"

Vielen Dank im Voraus!

[solid hull]

ersteres klingt besser

[harsh basalt]

"Ich fahre gerade mit dem Zug nach Hause" is correct

[dry lava]

Gibt es einen Unterschied zwischen Wörter "Besprechung", "Termin" und "Treffen"?
Kann ich die mit einem Freund nutzen?
"Ich habe heute Termin/Besprechung/Treffen mit meinem Freund vorgehabt"

[night dagger]

"ich fahre nach Zuhause gerade" is likely only acceptable when you've forgotten to give the time expression earlier on, so yeah "Ich fahre gerade nach Zuhause" sounds better.

[harsh basalt]

Du kannst auch sagen " Ich fahre gerade nach Hause, mit dem Zug"

[night dagger]

genau

[harsh basalt]

Es gibt Unterschiede. Wenn du dich mit einem Freund treffen möchtest, dann ist "treffen" die richtige Wahl. Eine Besprechung findet, zum Beispiel, in einem Büro statt ( ein Meeting ). Einen "Termin" hast du, zum Beispiel, bei einem Arzt, oder einer Autowerkstatt.

[dry lava]

Danke schön!

[harsh basalt]

Immer wider gerne. Ich hoffe meine Erklärung war soweit okay ?

[dry lava]

Ja. Mit den Beispielen hab ich alles verstanden

[harsh basalt]

Super ! Ich freue mich ! 👍 Ich gehe jetzt mal wider rüber nach #german-only .

[dry lava]

Viel Spaß, Alter!

[harsh basalt]

Ich schau` mal, da scheint gerade Kindergeburtstag zu sein.

[rotund veldt]

Am I understand what the subject, verb, and object are in this sentence ? "In meiner freizeit ich spielen gern Basketball"

I think the subject is: In meiner freizeit
I think the verb is: ich spielen gern
and I think the object is: Basketball

Please ping me if you answer btw.

[wicked berry]

Subject : Ich
Verb : spielen
object : yes you're right (maybe also add the article 'der')

Also, it should be
In meiner Freizeit spiele ich gerne Basketball

[rotund veldt]

So what about all the other words?

[wicked berry]

They're complements

[rotund veldt]

Ok

So do they all have their own subject verb and object as well?

[wicked berry]

No, in your sentence there is only one verb and one subject.

In meiner Freizeit = adverb of time
gerne = simply says that you like the activity

[rotund veldt]

Ok

Thank you

[idle flicker]

Es gibt ein Baum außen.
Does it sound good or does it need editing

[idle flicker]

thank you! Is there a rule for this?

[idle flicker]

In fact, I'm a beginner. I meant to say whether there's a difference between "Draußen" and "Außen"

[cobalt oriole]

You usually say "draußen" when you are inside, "außen" is neutral

[idle flicker]

Oh, now it's as clear as a gleaming window! Thanks for your input!

[cobalt oriole]

yw!

[fast sable]

“Sie muss andere Zimmer nehmen” or “Sie muss das andere (anderes?) Zimmer nehmen”

which is correct?^^

[bright brook]

The second one.... Sie muss das andere Zimmer nehmen

[fast sable]

Thanks:)

Could I also use anderes instead of das andere ?

Hii :)

[modest plover]

yes but then you would need to use an undefined article
like that:
sie muss das andere zimmer nehmen.
sie muss ein anderes zimmer nehmen

[fast sable]

Ohh okay

Thanks so much!:))

I really appreciate your help❤️

[slim garnet]

I have a problem guys should I say - Ich schreibe an dich die E-mail is it right ?

[modest plover]

More like
Ich schreibe dir die E-Mail.

[delicate tiger]

"Ich schreibe die E-Mail an dich." would be the neutral/standard word order, you stress the part you pull forward (in your case that you write it to him)

[slim garnet]

thank you guys

thank you so much

[fast sable]

Dann drehen sie beide Zettel um - is “drehen” and “sie” in its correct place?

[modest plover]

yes

[icy flax]

Grüß is a regional greeting in the south and austria and switzerland
(Grüß dich/Gott/Sie/@fierce idol !!)

Der Gruß is "the salutation"

[brisk bloom]

Gebräuchlicher ist Mit freundlichen Grüßen

I would remove einem or use Mit freundlichen Grüßen

[icy flax]

So, in German, nouns sometimes slightly change their radical.
Der Gruß, die Grüße
The salutation, the salutations

Google "Gruß wikitionary" for more infos

[brisk bloom]

Maybe it could, but nobody say or write it like that.
If you put your name underneath and spelling it, it sounds kinda bad 🤔

Benny```
The most used form in German is `Mit freundlichen Grüßen` (formal) or `Liebe Grüße` (informal).

[delicate tiger]

it's not wrong, but very unusual, nobody would talk or write it

[plush pelican]

There are certain words that are commonly used in Präteritum even in spoken German, including haben, sein, modal verbs like können and wollen, some common verbs like gehen and mögen, but is werden commonly used in Präteritum, or not?

Would it be ich wurde or ich bin geworden?

[plain umbra]

I can't remember exactly how it is, but I'll just add the point that I think it's different between werden for passive and werden in the basic sense.

I mean I think the frequency of Präteritum vs Perfekt is different between those.

[swift bough]

In Germany they’re both pretty prevalent in my experience. Depending on the region though, you may notice one used more over the other one.

„Ich wurde ohnmächtig“ is something you can say normally and naturally but it’s not even passive.

[plain umbra]

What do you mean "but it's not even passive"?

[charred harbor]

"would say or write it" might be better

[swift bough]

Passive is formed with werden and a participle. So „ich wurde gesehen“ is passive because it has werden in simple past, and the past participle of sehen. If you just say you „become“ some adjective (such as ohnmächtig), it doesn’t count as passive anymore.

Though I can’t quite remember what it’s called.

It has another name.

[fervent kernel]

how do you pronounce deutsch?

[swift bough]

It’s kinda like „doy-tch“

[fervent kernel]

since there's a sch, I read that sch pronounciations are like sh basicaly but people pronconuce it with ch instead

[swift bough]

Nah

The German sch is not at all the same as the German ch

[fervent kernel]

yea but isn't sch supposed to be pronounced like sh, if it's in 1 syllabul

[fervent kernel]

no sorry I meant english ch

basically doy-tch like you said

[swift bough]

It is pronounced like sh…but it’s DeuTsch 😄

[fervent kernel]

oh

oh ok so it just gives the sound of english ch but it's T-sh

[swift bough]

It’s not like the same sound you make when you say „shhh be quiet“

But that’s because of the T

[fervent kernel]

yea

T-sh is very similar to ch(english) sound

[fallow ledge]

Heres a fun, if you look up the IPA for english ch, youll see its made of t+sh and german reflects this in the spelling :D

Tsch -> t+sch

[plain umbra]

Yeah, but I was confused about the phrasing. Did I miss some kind of context?

Like it's not passive, but why "not even"?

[swift bough]

I was sort of going off of the part you were talking about this

As in

Passive, and werden in a basic sense

[plain umbra]

I still don't really get the phrasing.

Is the expectation that wurde is usually used with Passiv?

[swift bough]

No

Sorry, I’m not exactly sober right now.

I mean it’s very common with passive

Especially in northern Germany

It’s also common just with normal adjectives

[plain umbra]

Oh okay, no problem.

[fervent kernel]

danke

[willow epoch]

is there a difference between these two question channels?

[worldly portal]

no

but I find #2 to be slightly cooler 😎

[willow epoch]

if a question wasnt answerd in 1, can i ask in 2?

like it was forgotten n left unanswered

or skipped over

[worldly portal]

nah

no double posting

[willow epoch]

so if it was never answerd...?

i have to drop it?

or wait a bit like a week

[worldly portal]

something like that

[willow epoch]

at least its not neglected

only busy traffic

does the average german care about the ß or not?

cuz the 95' reforms replaced it with ss

i think it was that year

was in my german class

seeing weiss (weiß)...stuff like that

the professor explained they changed it to ss now

but does the average german prefer using the ß or ss?

when writing

oh sorry, i meant for wissen

ich weiss (weiß)...etc

and any other verb that has ß in it

along with words like spaß

the textbooks always had the parenthesis after with the prior reformed style

so i wondered if the germans prefer the ß in writing or it is only a government decision thing

-that made the change

older

or did u mean aelter

älter

well actually nvm its the conjugation

older ones learned ss? i thought it was the younger ones now that use ss

and the older generation used ß

i guess i read the parenthesis backwards

showing the older n then parenthesis with the newer one

is it ok to use words interchangeably?

if their meanings are close, therefore it is personal preference?

dictionaries have a lot of words to choose from

[shut briar]

I understood the difference between was für and welche finally, but what is the difference between was für ein und was für welcher? There's nothing given online strangely. Is it a rare thing? Was für welcher

[willow epoch]

maybe one means for wat n the other for which in a category

[gleaming sedge]

was für ein- <Nomen> = what kind of <Noun>, used in questions.
I have no idea on was für welcher.

[plain umbra]

Where did you see "was für welcher"?

With what?

[plain umbra]

It depends on the word. Some are spelled with ß, some are spelled with ss, and you should use the correct spelling for the word. The spelling is based on pronunciation of the vowels preceding the ß/ss.

[willow epoch]

i thought it was aesthetics

[plain umbra]

Like weiß should be spelled weiß and wissen should be spelled wissen.

No, it's a spelling rule.

[willow epoch]

is it a gov rule or the german speakers'? cuz there were several reforms

i doubt speakers wouldve done that

[plain umbra]

ß is allowed to be replaced with ss if you don't have the ability to type ß. But ss should never be replaced with ß.

Yes it was created by the government.

[willow epoch]

so amongst the people, would "they" perceive it wrong it? or the gov says its wrong

[lone sedge]

I can't think of an example right now but since ß makes the prceding vowel(s) long it may change the word. Can someone help with an example?

[gleaming sedge]

What I know is that if the ss is like the ss in “Fitnessstudio” you wouldn’t make it as ß because it’s a compound word lol. But I don’t have any another example

[willow epoch]

fitnessstudio; fitneßstudio, would it actually make a difference?

[lone sedge]

You'd never replace this way anyway. If you can't type ß just use ss. If you can look at the pronunciation.

[willow epoch]

cuz ss seems to be interchangable with ß

which is y u said its ok to type ss for ß if u cant on a keyboard

[lone sedge]

Fitneß was (if I think correctly) before the reform of 2006

[willow epoch]

so its technically a governmental call, not the speakers...

[lone sedge]

Since the e is a short one it now has to be Fitness

[gleaming sedge]

Ah schließlich is a good one

[lone sedge]

It actually makes reading and writing easier.

[willow epoch]

isnt fitness an english borrowed word?

so they pronounce it the english way, according to my prof

u dont pronoucne Job as "Yob"

u say it as in english

[lone sedge]

Correct

[willow epoch]

but for german words though

arent they interchangeable

borrowed words is a "special" category

[gleaming sedge]

Ah yes Toilette

[lone sedge]

Not really, no. Short preceding vowels force ss. Long ones ß

[willow epoch]

so its based on sound n not spelling?

[lone sedge]

Correct

[gleaming sedge]

Grüß- vs Gruß

[willow epoch]

Grueß

Gruess

[gleaming sedge]

idk why but Gruess looks... gross for some reason

[willow epoch]

tahts y i used the characters

looks so choppy

[lone sedge]

Earlier it was also based on spelling. An ss was used if before and after was a vowel. If just one was present it was ß. But forget that rule.

[willow epoch]

so an older rule said it was based on spelling

making fitneß correct

but the newer rule now says its based on sound

making fitness correct

[lone sedge]

Please just forget Fitneß

[gleaming sedge]

I guess weiß vs wissen...

[willow epoch]

but heißen isnt heissen

[lone sedge]

Heissen doesn't exist anymore. ei as a diphtongue (spelling? No idea) is considered long. So it is heißen now. Unless you can't type ß of course.

[shut briar]

Zweiter Punkt

[willow epoch]

so the older folks would still do it by spelling?

n the younger folks by sound

wouldnt that mean they can co-exist?

[lone sedge]

"Was für welcher" sounds alien to me

[lone sedge]

They do but the new rules are only correct ones.

[willow epoch]

so for official doc u would write it like that

but to the reg folks either one is fine

[shut briar]

Wirklich? Dieses Buch muss alt sein

[lone sedge]

I tried to find an example using that. I failed...

Btw. I am 40, so I should know older rules, too. If I haven't forgitten about them that is.

[shut briar]

Can you take a look at these two examples? @lone sedge

[willow epoch]

isnt it subjective to the listener?

like wat kind as in wat is it? n which kind as in which one, cuz they no a few

like some knowledge of it vs nothing much

so u dont bother to imply further wat brands or species

im guessing welche ein would be close to "which kind of [watever it is]"

getting specific

[lone sedge]

@shut briar ah. Good examples. In the Nominative case it actually works. Im Keller ist Wein. - Was für welcher? Thanks for that!

[willow epoch]

so is it ancient grammar or relevant now?

[lone sedge]

That's not ancient either. My mistake for not thinking about it.

[willow epoch]

n i thought fuer is an accusative prepositin

[lone sedge]

I have to be afk for half an hour. If something needs me then, I'll try to help.

[left widget]

lo

[willow epoch]

so then yoto

isnt für an accusative preposition

how can the example be a nominative case?

[left widget]

in what example

[willow epoch]

@shut briar ah. Good examples. In the Nominative case it actually works. Im Keller ist Wein. - Was für welcher? Thanks for that!

[2:46 AM]

forgot how to link back to a prev message...

[left widget]

xd

[willow epoch]

but the pics r a few lines above

[shut briar]

Für isn't considered a preposition here, it's part of a question

[left widget]

ye

[shut briar]

But the question is

[shut briar]

What's the difference between using this and just was für einer here?

[willow epoch]

if its not, wat is it then?

[left widget]

hm how can i explain it in english

[willow epoch]

if für isnt a preposition in that case

[shut briar]

It's just a question phrase

[left widget]

it is in german feste mehrgliedrige Frageform

like he said

[willow epoch]

is it one of htose weird things

like zu + preposition def/indef art + Noun

where zu isnt a preposition

iono if there's double preposition use, cuz i never used double before

no wait....wat am i talking about...i must be sleepy...

smashed two things together that make no sesne

so better yet, wats another question phrase

i dont think i have the grip on this yet...

a phrase must still be grammitcally correct mustn't it?

[left widget]

it kinda is grammatically correct but its ike a short version which refers to the sentence said before

[willow epoch]

so can anyone be kind enough to unwrap this question phrase?

was für welcher

was...für...welcher...? is wat im thinking they omitted the rest

[hollow ether]

in english it would be equivalent to "What kind of .. ?"

[willow epoch]

in english wat kind of [....] is easily cut off in the back

[left widget]

i mean u can have many versions of this like for example Was zum...

or what für like in ur example

[willow epoch]

lolgically it makes sense

but grammatically cant c it

[left widget]

the "für" or "zum" is connected to the "was"

[willow epoch]

like how darum, dawas, dawo...etc

[left widget]

no

Was für....

Was zum...

Was zur....

[willow epoch]

well zum n zur make sense in that short end

so its like english ending with a preposition?

[left widget]

i mean u still have to add a noun or smth

[willow epoch]

tech u're not suppsoed ot but it makes sense logically

o i thought u can do it like, forgot that grammar rule...

ex) das Haus, das ich kaufte

the das represents the house

forgot wat u call it...

so i thought was zum would make sense

as u're referring to wat u heard earlier

[left widget]

pronoun

Was für welcher? the welcher is also a pronoun

[willow epoch]

but i would assume its welchen

since der Wein

n für

für den Wein

[hollow ether]

no cause like they said, für isnt a preposition here

[willow epoch]

but it was part of a longer phrase, that was omitted

[left widget]

AHHH NOW I KNOW

[hollow ether]

just think of "was für" as its own question word just like 'was', 'wo', wer, etc

[left widget]

because its "der" wein and not "ein "

[willow epoch]

wat was ur revelation about yoto?

[left widget]

if u go to the sentence before

[willow epoch]

so technically ze, u're saying its "was fue, welcher?"

fuer

[left widget]

without comma

[willow epoch]

o so was fuer is its own thing

[hollow ether]

no.
welcher is the relative pronoun here, referring back to Der Wein that was mentioned previously

[willow epoch]

not related to was or fuer

[left widget]

YES

[willow epoch]

its a question wording

[left widget]

was für is one part and the otheris welcher

[willow epoch]

that makes sense then

its not related to fuer

[left widget]

ye

[willow epoch]

like ich brauche zu lernen

zu isnt a prepotistion

its...something else

same spelling

[left widget]

noooo

only if its a quaestion like before

or wait a min

[willow epoch]

zum n zur r contractions

[left widget]

nah wait ur right lmao

[willow epoch]

ah

does that mean ausgehen aus is not related to aus?

so ich gehe aus der Stadt cant be ich gehe der Stadt aus

[left widget]

yep

[willow epoch]

i was making up new verbs in a sense then...

[left widget]

kinda

[willow epoch]

cuz i thought ht emeaning was the same

same prep+verb

only the structure was moved

[left widget]

but it isnt

[willow epoch]

so ich spreche mit meinem Freunde

[left widget]

wrong i men th freunde part

[willow epoch]

not ich spreche meinem Freunde mit

[left widget]

i case of the verb u were right but its called

ich spreche mit meinen freunden

or

ich spreche mit meinem freund

[left widget]

plural

[left widget]

singular

[willow epoch]

but i thought it was optional to continue the "e" ending

for dative

[left widget]

in this case the mit is a preposition

[willow epoch]

n a singular friend

hence freunde

oh n the prefixes...they affect the verb

wen the preposition affects the objects/indirect

hence y they go in the back right?

but that wouldnt make much sense to allow some n some dont...the prefixes

[left widget]

but isnt the dative in plural -en-

dem freund- den freunden

[willow epoch]

i thought the rule was

das land, dem lande

[left widget]

no ur wrong

in dative u always have dem

[willow epoch]

no das land for nom

dem lande is for dat singular

n der ländern for plural

[hollow ether]

no that's wrong. there's no extra e for the dativ singular nouns

[willow epoch]

well...prior to the reform

isnt it?

[hollow ether]

there is a rule called N-Deklination, where they add an extra 'en' for weak masculine nouns tho

[willow epoch]

i thought that was for acc masculin

land is neut

[hollow ether]

for all cases actually, except the nominative

[hollow ether]

idk about that

[willow epoch]

well nach hause

zu hause

zum hause

das haus

die häuser

der häusern

[hollow ether]

ok i see what u mean. there are still a lot of times phrases like this are used but they are not the norm that u can use the 'e' for every dativ singular

[willow epoch]

well book said they were "optional"

so i retained it

[gleaming sedge]

What’s the copyright year on your book?

[willow epoch]

vorsprung

i forgot

but took the class in 2014

[hollow ether]

i don't think its optional for every single noun.

like i said theres phrases where its still used, like "im Fall .." , "im Falle .."

it's optional there

[willow epoch]

well optional, but my professor said this "e" was used in the older days

n now its optional n mostly dropped

so i felt y not keep it

but returning to the prefix verb

is there really a reason to have some prefix move to the end?

morgen kaufe ich ein

or morgen einkaufe ich

[hollow ether]

that's a whole new grammatical category called 'separable verbs'

[willow epoch]

does moving the ein in the rear really change the meaning?

wat does it grammatically do?

thats wat i could never understand

[gleaming sedge]

Ah it’s just is

Trennbare Verben. Einkaufen, vorstellen, rausgehen, mitbringen, etc.

[plain umbra]

It's not that it changes the meaning (usually), but that it would simply sound wrong if you used it incorrectly. There are a few verbs that change meaning based on if you separate it or not, but for most of them, it's just how the verb works.

[gleaming sedge]

Ich kaufe ein. = I’m shopping.
Ich stelle mich vor. = I introduce myself.
Ich bringe meinen Hund mit. = I bring my dog (with me).

[willow epoch]

can i think of them as

two-part action verbs?

[gleaming sedge]

Ich kaufe ein. (I’m shopping) vs Ich kaufe. (I’m buying).

[willow epoch]

which is y they r separatable

[gleaming sedge]

Wdym by two part action verbs?

[willow epoch]

einkaufen

im thinking ich kaufe

ya buy wat

something

anything

ich kaufe ein

[gleaming sedge]

Nah. It’s just separable.

[willow epoch]

u add the ein to imply something

therefore shopping

non specific

[gleaming sedge]

It’s like “why do Germans need to conjugate verbs when in English they don’t even conjugate on POV of the subject” kind of thing.

It’s just that.

[willow epoch]

i dont get wat vorstellen has to do with stellen though...

[plain umbra]

English does conjugate based on subject.

[fervent kernel]

POV: You're learning German and it's hard

[gleaming sedge]

Yeah but not as intense as in German, I find.

[plain umbra]

You can think of them as separate verbs.

[willow epoch]

stand before something

[fervent kernel]

For the Germans: Learning English is easy. For the English: Learning German is hard.

[willow epoch]

does it imply a specific action, like present ones self

[plain umbra]

A lot of the time the meaning changes a lot when you add a prefix, so I recommend to simply learn them as if they're different words.

[willow epoch]

n that leads to introduction?

[plain umbra]

They only thing you need to relate is the grammatical structures.

[willow epoch]

cuz i would think ich einkaufe would work fine

like ich verstehe

[gleaming sedge]

ver- is not trennbar

[willow epoch]

ya but y not?

[fervent kernel]

In English we say: The, In German we say: Der, Das, Die, dies, dieses, dessen, deren, denen, ....

[willow epoch]

wheres teh justification...?

[plain umbra]

That's just how they are.

It's just how the language developed.

It's how people speak and write.

So you have to learn it that way.

[fervent kernel]

You mean trennbar

[gleaming sedge]

Oh yeah my bad

[plain umbra]

Some things in languages have reasons, but this isn't one of them.

[willow epoch]

so "ich stelle vor der Klasse vor"?

[plain umbra]

Ich stelle mich vor der Klasse vor.

[willow epoch]

ich stelle mich vor der klasse vor

[lone sedge]

My example still is a little strange and your proposition is better. The point was just that it "works", not that it is good German.

[fervent kernel]

No it's ,, Ich stelle der Klasse vor''

[fervent kernel]

Or this is right

[willow epoch]

so seeing two vors is not weird?

[hollow ether]

no cause they mean different things in the sentence

[pure oriole]

Ich würde das erste "vor" weglassen also "Ich stelle mich der Klasse vor."

[fervent kernel]

No the two sentences have got two another meanings

[plain umbra]

Oh I see. I assumed they were trying to say "I introduce myself in front of the class". But maybe it doesn't work that way.

[willow epoch]

thought it was weird seeing double in the same sentence

[gleaming sedge]

“Pass auf dich auf.” makes sense. This is what I use to remind myself, yeah it’s possible, but also it makes sense to have two aufs there

[fervent kernel]

Oder das ja aber ich will den Engländern sagen dass die Sätze und mein Satz eine andere Bedeutung haben.

[pure oriole]

Ok

[fervent kernel]

That's right

[willow epoch]

i wanted to be specifc that i introduce myself in front of the class

like the front of the room

in front of them

cuz i wrote some work doing that manner i did before

[fervent kernel]

And that's why I say: German is not so easy!

[pure oriole]

Then it is "Ich stelle mich vor der Klasse vor."

[willow epoch]

unknowingly i was making up new verbs

but now that i heard all this

i guess the prefix affects the meanigns of the verbs

rather than the directed action

which i thought were prepositions

making up mitsprechen

[hollow ether]

Dass das Dass mit das verwechselt wird, führt dazu, dass das Dass das nicht mehr erträgt und dass das Dass das Das dann tötet

[willow epoch]

wow

wouldnt it be "mit dem verwechselt wird"?

[hollow ether]

no it says 'dass' is confused with 'das'

so it's referring to the das

[willow epoch]

o

isnt das a neut word too?

or is it normal omit the art

article

sometimes i dont no if i should omit wen broad speakingly

broadly speaking

[gleaming sedge]

Depends on the situation

[willow epoch]

cuz a lot of text leaves the article

n some omit it

even though they're being broad

[gleaming sedge]

It depends on the context. If you need to specify that THAT is that thing, then you leave it in.

Ich esse Fleisch. = I eat meat.
Ich esse das Fleisch. = I eat the meat. (Weird)

[willow epoch]

ya i thought i need the latter sentence

cuz a lot of text kept keeping the article

[gleaming sedge]

Review on Nullartikel maybe

[willow epoch]

naturally i would omit

but u no...gotta get an A, so dont experiment as much

therefore a limbo understanding

so wen being specific

use the article

like a specific meat

[hollow ether]

let me rephrase the first part of the sentence. maybe it would make sense why there wasnt an article there.

Dass das Wort "dass" mit dem Wort "das" verwechselt wird...

[willow epoch]

ah

yes much easier to read

so much das my head got confused

didnt no wat was wat

cuz the first Dass confuse dme

a subordinate clause

without a main clause

removing that....

das wort "dass" wird verwechselt mit dem worte "das"

wow i am correcting my german

so which is better to use "da+prep" or "pronoun"?

wen referring to something in the previous sentence

so before i would use a pronoun, but iono now

[hollow ether]

they would have different sentence structures i think. so u can use the one you're more comfortable with

[willow epoch]

Dass das Dass mit das verwechselt wird, führt dazu, dass das Dass das nicht mehr erträgt und dass das Dass das Das dann tötet

so here if i rewrote

Dass das Dass mit das verwechselt wird, führt zu ihm, dass das Dass es nicht mehr erträgt und dass das Dass das Das dann tötet

took a while to figure out the sentence

[hollow ether]

oh no the da compound isnt optional there

it's used to introduce the nebensatz

so it's referring to the Nebensatz that comes after it

[willow epoch]

but...

fuehrt zu dem Setze

Satze

thats how i would think

[hollow ether]

no

[willow epoch]

u're referring to another sentence

n the word is sentence

[hollow ether]

if you dont wanna use führt dazu, then you have to change the Satz to a noun

[willow epoch]

so i thought it

[hollow ether]

no thats not it

[willow epoch]

im basing all this on wen u can say

ich kaufe das buch

[hollow ether]

... führt zum Töten ... would be correct

[willow epoch]

ich kaufe es

es is das buch

iono how correct that would be

but that is a bases on my structure...

dont no if its right

or taking something too far that its not

ich bring den hund mit

ich bring ihn mit

o i c...its the topic of the sentence

not sentence literally

n since its not introduced yet

cant say zu ihm

zu dem toeten

so they no the topic

[hollow ether]

yea sort of

[willow epoch]

so wat i was doing was right

if it was nown

known

[hollow ether]

yea

[willow epoch]

yay

yay

i always questioned if i did things right

was german really that flexible

to use any pronoun i want

matching the gender of course

[hollow ether]

you'd have to give an example cause idk what u mean by that

[willow epoch]

ich habe ein arbeit, er manchmal erschoepfend ist

normally i would use der

but sometimes i want to try to use the other pronouns

so er

n since established

i would use er to refer to arbeit

until something else

like how english u must update it

meine boss ist gemein und er macht manchmal ihn schwer zu mir

[delicate tiger]

"Ich habe eine Arbeit, die manchmal erschöpfend ist"

[willow epoch]

*mein

ich habe eine arbeit, sie manchmal erschoepfend ist. mein boss ist gemein und er macht manchmal sie schwer zu mir

so thats wat i mean by using "pronouns"

[delicate tiger]

"Mein Boss ist gemein und er macht sie [die Arbeit] manchmal für mich schwer."

[willow epoch]

but i thought only one acc can be in a clause

or was that only one direct obj

[idle citrus]

Hey, I've come to know that we have letter writing for tomorrow's exam. My teacher expects 40 lines of content in the letter. I have not written more than 15 lines even in English letter writing, let alone German. Any tips?
Also, could you tell me a bunch of filler sentences in german?

Also, if you guys have tips for writing a good letter, please leave them.

Your help will be appreciated.

Thanks. I'll check this channel later.

[dry lava]

Kann ich auf irgendeine Frage antworten "Ja, es ist wahr"?
"Du hast das gemacht, oder?"
"Ja, es ist wahr"

Oder nur "Es stimmt"?

[fallen galleon]

• du hasts gemacht oder?

• Ja / Ja habe ich/ (es/das) stimmt
  @dry lava

@idle citrus can make your sentences longer by formulating them in a different way

there's also: also, na ja, na gut, na.., quasi, doch, bloß etc

[steel patrol]

What's "bloß"?

[scenic drift]

have you looked it up in a dictionary?

[fervent kernel]

Is ß a shorter word for ss?

[brisk bloom]

Its a special form of ss

[fervent kernel]

Kk

[scenic drift]

keep in mind that they're not interchangeable

e.g. you have to write muss, not muß

(standard disclaimer for e.g. german in switzerland applies)

[proven sphinx]

It's pronounced the same as "ss", but it's used after long vowels and diphthongs (e.g. au, eu, ie etc.).

[scenic drift]

speak of the devil, hi raven 😆

[proven sphinx]

There's one word that is distinguished solely by the ß: in Maßen (in moderation) vs in Massen (en masse). They even mean exactly the opposite of one another. They don't sound the same either, since "Maßen" has a long vowel and "Massen" has a short vowel.

[willow epoch]

does doch mean affirmative in a sense

[proven sphinx]

It's used to contradict a negative statement.

[willow epoch]

like "on contrary"

arent the two different gender?

massen n maßen

[scenic drift]

it's die Masse, das Maß; in the contexts Raven's given they're both in the plural so you can't distinguish them

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, exactly.

[shell pecan]

I've havent been able to get a real description of the word "Brett" in the context of music. I see it enough that I have a general idea. I think it's similar to "banger" or maybe chart topper.

[harsh basalt]

Brett can also mean E-Guitar

[willow epoch]

if they're different, then wouldnt maßen n massen be no different for spelling

cuz u have gender case

[spring socket]

Wir rufen unseren Anwalt an... einen Deutschen. Does this mean Deutscher is a weak noun?

[fast sable]

”…, weil sie heute Zeit hat” is heute in its correct place?

[harsh basalt]

Alles richtig 👍

[steel patrol]

Yes, it says "just", and I don't imagine that it can be used the same as "nur". Also I know that it's a modal particle, which almost always means that there is no direct translation but is something you need to wrap your head around in other ways. Which is why I asked.

[willow epoch]

would it be weird to say "du hast gütlich gesprochen"?

or can that be a dialectual way of doing it

[fervent kernel]

du hast gut gesprochen

[willow epoch]

is the only time u would add lich to an adj is wen?

to make it an adverb

[proven sphinx]

German doesn't distinguish between adjectives and adverbs like that.

Er ist ein guter Lehrer. = He's a good teacher.
Er redet gut Englisch. = He speaks English well.

The form always looks exactly the same. The only difference is that the adverbially used adjective (which would be an adverb in English) is unchangeable, whereas the attributively used adjective changes according to gender and case.

[willow epoch]

so like

ärgern

ärgerlich

[proven sphinx]

That's just the adjective for "ärgern".

"-lich" is a common ending for adjectives.

handlich, männlich, weiblich, sächlich, verständlich, unkenntlich etc.

[willow epoch]

OH

tried to understand these endings

wat they do n stuff

like -ig

i guess i took the comparative by accident

so adj n adv tech have no distinction

in spelling

[willow epoch]

so...er arbeitet sichlich schwer

er ist eine sicherliche persone

*er arbeitet sicherlich schwer

er isst sicherlich schnell

[dry lava]

Soll das sein "Rette drei Überlebende" oder "Überlebenden"? Ich weiß nicht, aber aus irgendeinem Grund steht es "Rette drei Überlebende(n)" im Spiel. Woher ist diese Unsicherheit?

[tough rock]

Ich habe gerade keine Regel parat, aber man sagt "rette drei Überlebende", weil es hier keinen bestimmten Artikel gibt. "Rette die drei Überlebenden" wäre richtig, hat aber eine andere Bedeutung (es gibt nur drei Überlebende und du sollst sie alle retten vs es gibt viele Überlebende, aber du sollst nur drei davon retten).

[dry lava]

Okay, danke!

[long whale]

When used as an adverb, i.e. to describe a verb, adjectives don't get any ending. But when they're applied to a noun (like "Person"), the ending changes according to gender and case. "sicherlich" is like "certainly", i.e. it's only ever used as an adverb, therefore, it cannot be used to describe a noun: er ist eine sicherliche Person :)

[storm trellis]

Hey,
I need some help
with a deutsch test
could someone help me?

[scenic drift]

faq homework

[stoic mauve]

How to ask a question

If you want something corrected, you can put it in a Google Doc and share a link with permission level »can suggest« in #writing .

Don't ask us to translate something for you outright: that takes professional time and effort and we're not here for that. You can try your luck with deepl.com.
For single words, use dict.cc or another dictionary, it'll be quicker.

If you want to know if/how a word can be used, provide some context to help us understand the situation.

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[scenic drift]

@storm trellis see above

[willow epoch]

cannot or its not normally used as an adj

sicherlich

[dry lava]

Wenn es vor dir drei Autos gibt, dann die Frage "Was für ein Auto willst du" würde gleich dem "Welches Auto willst du" sein, oder?

[delicate tiger]

"Was für ein Auto willst du?" ist allgemeiner und kann auch ein Auto sein, was da nicht steht

[willow epoch]

how do germans express "hell" liek "this is hella cold; the hell is that thing?"

[dry iron]

Scheiße or the slightly less impolite "sau"

[willow epoch]

wat does sau mean?

exactly

like poopoo?

[dry iron]

Pig

But as an adjective

[willow epoch]

so not an adv

or u can

[dry iron]

Es ist sau kalt

You can even use höllisch

[willow epoch]

so this is standard slang?

o

hoellisch

[dry iron]

Which translates to hellish

[dry iron]

Yeah it's standard

[willow epoch]

not a dialect?

so...du gehst hoellisch langsam

[dry iron]

No not a dialect

[dry iron]

Yup

[willow epoch]

dieses video game hat hoellisch spass

[dry iron]

*macht höllisch Spaß

[willow epoch]

macht hoellisch spass

is hoellisch the same level as sau?

[dry iron]

Pretty much

[willow epoch]

so wen do u no u use sein, haben, or machen for an adj

gets a tad confusing

[dry iron]

That's a whole unit and nothing i can explain in a few sentences

Also done of it is arbitrary

[willow epoch]

so no rhyme or reason

only its been done taht way

[dry iron]

There are some rules and guidelines

[willow epoch]

er ist muede

er hat muede

du machst ihn muede

[dry iron]

The second one doesn't exist

[willow epoch]

er ist hungrig

er hat hungrig

[dry iron]

Er ist hungrig
Er hat Hunger

[willow epoch]

passen der zeit macht ihn hungrig

[dry iron]

Passen?

[willow epoch]

passieren

[dry iron]

Still makes no sense

[willow epoch]

maybe gehen der zeit

[dry iron]

What are you trying to say in English?

[willow epoch]

time makes him hungry

but zeit alone doesnt make sense

unless u no they'd understand u implied the passing of time

[dry iron]

You would have to use a pretty advanced construction to say that in one sentence

Mit dem Vergehen der Zeit wurde er hungrig.

[willow epoch]

wow

well i thought all nouns can becomes adj

n all adj can be adv

like a cycle

[dry iron]

They can

[willow epoch]

so i used hungrig

[dry iron]

Mit dem Vergehen der Zeit bekam er Hunger.

[willow epoch]

not wuerde

[dry iron]

He dies not beginne the concept of hunger itself

He obtains it

[willow epoch]

i thought wurden is became

werden will be

wuerden would become

[dry iron]

Only if you use the adjective form

[willow epoch]

heute wird er einen hund

morgen wird er eine persone

[dry iron]

Yeah

[willow epoch]

but those r nouns

not adj

[dry iron]

Again in the sentence before he didn't become hunger

[willow epoch]

o u mean like literally?

[dry iron]

Yeah

[willow epoch]

werden is for literal stuff

not a state

or mood

er wird nett

no...u can do moods

im confused now

[dry iron]

Nett ist an adjective

Nettigkeit would be the noun

[willow epoch]

so werden only works with pysical stuff

[swift bough]

ein* Hund

[dry iron]

Werden = to become (something)

That can be physical or a concept

[swift bough]

btw you’re native I think right @dry iron

[dry iron]

Yip

[willow epoch]

so y cant u use adj?

[dry iron]

But you can

[swift bough]

Did someone say you can’t

[willow epoch]

he said something about u didnt start with hunger

thats wat we started on

er wird hungrig

[swift bough]

You could say „Er wird hungrig“, he’s getting hungry, but not with Hunger because it would mean he’s becoming Hunger which doesn’t make sense

[dry iron]

Er wird hungrig/ Er bekommt Hunger. Communicate the same thing

[willow epoch]

but er hat hunger

[dry iron]

That's just the infinitive form of the same sentence

[swift bough]

Ye but that just means he’s already hungry

Not getting hungry

[willow epoch]

o

[dry iron]

Hunger is the noun

And hungrig is the adjective

[willow epoch]

but i thought all nouns <=> adj <=> adv

[dry iron]

I'm hungry/ I'm plagued by hunger

[swift bough]

Nouns adjectives and adverbs are different parts of speech, so no, they aren’t the same

[dry iron]

They can be adjevtivised and back but mostly by adjusting them

[willow epoch]

so hunger => hungerig => hungrig

[dry iron]

Hungerig doesnt exist

[willow epoch]

o it does?

i thought it was like teuer, teurer

[dry iron]

That's just the superlative

[willow epoch]

well i mean hungerig doesnt exist

as teuerer doesnt

cuz of the hard phonetic

[dry iron]

Teurer does

[willow epoch]

so they say teurer

[dry iron]

It's the superlative of teuer

[willow epoch]

like hunger would be hungerig

but its hard to say

[swift bough]

They mean when it’s teuerer

[willow epoch]

so its hungrig

[swift bough]

Doesn’t exist

[dry iron]

You can't just make up words

[swift bough]

Just like with hungerig which doesn’t exist

[willow epoch]

no i mean is that y hungerig n teuerer dont exist

cuz they r hard to pronounce

[dry iron]

Teurer does exist

It is the superlative of teuer

[willow epoch]

teurer does but not teu-er-er

[swift bough]

He‘s talking about with the extra e…

That it doesn’t exist

[willow epoch]

yes saying the e was removed for phonetic ease

[dry iron]

Teuer = expensive
Teuerer = more expensive

[willow epoch]

which is y hungrig n teurer exist as they r

thats wat im thinking

[swift bough]

Actually can’t you write both teurer and teuerer I‘m not even sure because my phone doesn’t say it’s wrong as teuerer

[dry iron]

You are hopping from topic to topic

[willow epoch]

no i mean the word spelling changed a bit for the sake of phonetic ease

wen converting a noun to an adj

[swift bough]

I don’t think it really goes that deep though. Just remember to spell it as you see it

[dry iron]

Yeah don't bother too much about minute spelling rules that aren't even that clearly defined

And in many cases there are even several correct forms

[willow epoch]

is there a dif between -ig n umlaut ++ lich?

wen making a noun into an adj

[dry iron]

No idea, i guess it's arbitrary

[willow epoch]

preference then?

[dry iron]

Most of them are defined

[willow epoch]

cuz dictionaries have too many choices...

[swift bough]

When learning German I just remembered adjectives in context. It’s easier than trying to define how some rules about their endings go, because there will always be some exceptions.

[dry iron]

In some cases there are different forms

Sommerkurs the different forms put a different emphasis on their meaning and impact

[swift bough]

It’s not really „preference“. You can say „witzig“ but „witzlich“ doesn’t even exist

You just remember them as you go along

[willow epoch]

if u said such.

would u look stupid?

[swift bough]

Yea

[dry iron]

Yes

[willow epoch]

so not like ...o some dialectual form who nos

[dry iron]

Rarely

[swift bough]

Not even

-ig and -lich aren’t interchangeable

[willow epoch]

im not sure if dialects would conjugate words differently

[dry iron]

And even then it's defined and only correct if you speak in that dialect

[swift bough]

Just learn them in context imo that’s the best way

[dry iron]

You shouldn't care too much about dialects

[willow epoch]

well...cuz i use them as cover

to not look incorrect

[dry iron]

You can't

[willow epoch]

in case i use wrong stuff

[dry iron]

No it doesn't work unless you speak in that dialect the whole time

Learn it the correct way

[willow epoch]

so...which words should i choose in the dictionary then?

for example google translator

[dry iron]

Don't use Google translate

It's full of mistakes

[willow epoch]

well the list of words, not the translated part

[dry iron]

In a proper dictionary or text book they will explain the nuances

[willow epoch]

i use google cuz its faster to search

[dry iron]

And it's not really a problem you will run into often

[willow epoch]

primarily its speed to find words

i never use any translator for a clause

only for single words

[dry iron]

Yeah but just be aware that you will run into problems with that

Like with "passen"

It does translate to passing

[willow epoch]

is there better online dictionary to use thats fast to lookup

[dry iron]

But it can't be used for the passing of time in German

The Leo dictionary is pretty great

[willow epoch]

ill try that

leodict.de?

[dry iron]

Yeah

No wait

Leo.org

Dict.leo.org

[willow epoch]

danke

[willow epoch]

theres a diff between wenn n wann

sometimes english gets in the way

wat were they

"wen i come home, im gonna eat a sandwich"

"can u open the door wen i come home"

"wen u c him, call me"

sometimes wenn seems to feel like its right

though i would use wann for all of them

[dry iron]

Wenn and wen are two different words

Wenn = when/once/if
Wen = who
Wann = when (as a question)

[lapis lake]

I want to get in to learning German but I don't know where to start

[plain umbra]

Check out #getting-started

[slim yew]

duolingo ™️

||it sucks cuz it teaches words like man, boy, child in the beginning which has confused me ever since||

[worldly portal]

What confuses you?

[dusty pendant]

duolingo is weird

[willow epoch]

or u can take a class

thats wat 101 is for

[night dagger]

faq duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[viral pagoda]

Too true

[willow epoch]

so those youtubers polyglots r bsing?

[scenic drift]

no-one's getting fluent from duolingo, if that's what you mean

[pliant pelican]

hallo ich habe eine frage: "die Kartoffelsalat schmeckt mir sehr gut" konjugieren wir für kartoffelsallat, richtig???

[glass lava]

Der Kartoffelsalat sonst richtig

[pliant pelican]

danke schön

[versed wasp]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen (wissen) und (Bescheid wissen) ?!

[warm lotus]

no one i think @versed wasp

[delicate tiger]

immer das letzte Wort bestimmt den Artikel (nicht "die Kartoffel", sondern "der Salat")

[pliant pelican]

oh ja ich habe einen Fehler gemacht , danke schön

[stark void]

Hey, I have a question: on google it says to say “we have none to drink” would be “wir haben nichts zu trinken”

Why is the “zu” there? If it was trinken isn’t that the infinitive so you wouldn’t need the “zu?”

[autumn marsh]

"Ich weiß, wie man dieses Wort schreibt."

"Manuela kommt heute Abend nicht."

Ah, alles klar. Dann weiß ich Bescheid.

there is no good translation for that in English, it's just a phrase you have to get used to, in a way of "knowing about a fact or something that person should know because of their position or relationship to the person/situation/thing":

"Der Lehrer weiß Bescheid! Wir können das nicht mehr machen!" > the teacher knows! We can't do it anymore!
"Ihr Mann betrügt sie, aber sie weiß darüber Bescheid." > Her husband cheats on her, but she knows about it.
"Ich gehe früher nach Hause, mein Chef weiß Bescheid." > i'm going home sooner, my boss knows about it.
"Meine Freundin muss darüber Bescheid wissen, dass ich später komme." > My girlfriend needs to know that i'll be coming in later.

this is not something entirely exclusive, often just "wissen" works aswell:

"Meine Freundin muss wissen, dass ich später komme" >> means the same thing

BUT

if you are talking about actually knowing how to do something, like you've learned an instrument or how to cook something, you can not use "Bescheid".

Generally speaking: it's a common phrase to state that you have given a person a certain information that this person should have because of the circumstances (like in the examples with the boss or the girlfriend), or that the person happened to get their hands on in one way or the other (like in the example with the wife and her husband, or the one with the teacher)

Often you can substitute "Bescheid" with "es", but it will often simply sound better with "Bescheid", because that is how we say it:

"Ich gehe früher nach Hause, mein Chef weiß es." >> that works, but sounds weird.
"Ihr Mann betrügt sie, aber sie weiß darüber es." >> that works and doesn't sound weird, but do not make the mistake to add darüber while it is somewhat needed in the example above

[vernal sun]

Google would have translated it literally. “Zu” means to as in going to the shop. When saying to before a verb in German you’d use the infinitive of the verb instead.

[scenic drift]

no, google has translated it correctly.

"we have nothing to drink" = "wir haben nichts zu trinken"

[vernal sun]

Oh oops

[scenic drift]

it's called an infinitive clause.

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/WordOrder/Infinitives.html

" Das ist schwer zu machen. " = "that is hard to do"

cc @stark void , the reason is because it's an infinitive clause 😉

[stark void]

Oh, I see thank you so much!

[stark void]

So in what instance would you use the infinitive and when to use zu?

[stark void]

Thank you, is there a way to know if something is an infinitive clause or not?

[scenic drift]

may i recommend reading the webpage i linked?

[stark void]

Thank you, it’s pretty complicated but I think I get the idea, thanks so much for all your help Mikey!

[scenic drift]

you will eventually get a feel for it :)

[willow epoch]

isnt bescheid wissen intuitive knowledge?

[queen ocean]

Könnte mir jemand erklären, was für eine Konstruktion Phrasen wie "eines Nachts" oder "jedes Jahr" sind? Nämlich, in welchem Fall sind hier "Nacht" und "Jahr"? Gibt es ein Wort, das diese Konstruktionen beschreibt?

[willow epoch]

self obtained knowledge

[fervent kernel]

Sie stehen in diesem Fall im Genitiv.

[solid hull]

jedes Jahr steht eig nicht im Genitiv

Und ein männliches “Nacht” tritt nur selten in manchen festen Ausdrücken auf

[plush pelican]

"um etw. herumgehen" - to go around something.

But what if I use it in an um...zu Infinitivsatz? For example, if I'm trying to say, "The parking lot is big enough to go around it." or something similar, where you have to put that into the um...zu clause.

Would it then be something like, "Der Parkplatz ist groß genug, um um ihn herumzugehen"?

[analog mesa]

u put a , between the two word

Der Parkplatz ist groß genug um, um ihn herum zu gehen"

[fervent kernel]

Isn't it "groß genug, um um ihn …"