questions-2

[onyx rain]

street singular oder?

[whole portal]

Wenn du nur eine einzige Straße hast, würde man wohl sagen, dass es sie entlang rast.

[onyx rain]

ach so

[whole portal]

The singular sounds weird to me here

[onyx rain]

And are these sentences fine as well?
Das Auto steht auf der Beethovenstraße. The car is parked on the Beethoven street.
Das Auto steht vor dem Haus. The car is parked in front of the house.

[night dagger]

looks good. you can also use "parken"

[long whale]

Das Auto steht in der Beethovenstraße. "auf der Straße" is like "in the middle of the street/road", you might say that if you had an accident, or if your car had broken down. If it's simply parked there: in. :)

[onyx rain]

Oops already used it, but thanks, will correct it! Gave a presentation to my group on two-way prepositions.

[icy flax]

Susana, could the car also liegen? It seems mostly on the horizontal to me.

[full herald]

is the pronunciation between "leben" and "lieben" the same ? or is it different ??

[willow socket]

different

layben
leeben

[delicate tiger]

many online dictionaries have audio clips

[full herald]

danke 🙂

[full herald]

i tried to listen with google translate. and it sound very similar, so similar that i can barely notice the difference. so i got curious.

[delicate tiger]

depending on your native language, you might need to train your ears to hear the difference. No German will have a problem telling them apart.

[long whale]

Nothing to do with that. It has a right way up and a wrong way up. Only if you've had a really bad accident and your car's lying on its side could you say "es liegt (im Graben)" :)

[delicate tiger]

oder im Fluss 😉

[night dagger]

du Gans hast Recht :)

[icy flax]

That's pretty interesting. So a car can truly "liegen" somewhere. Ok!
Ty both! @delicate tiger

[marsh dome]

Übrigens: "Gans" ist ein Tier. Eine art Ente die weiß ist und ein etwas langeren Hals. ich glaube du meintest "ganz" (
exactly) | btw "Gans" is the Animal. Like a duck
with white feathers and a longer "neck*. i think you mean "ganz" (exactly)

*i think neck is right but im a little bit bad in english xD😅

[night dagger]

ne, ich meinte "du Gans hast Recht". es war ein dummes Wortspiel :)

[marsh dome]

OOF xD

[spring socket]

Ein schönes Bild

[marsh dome]

Ja hab ich random aus dem Internet geklaut xD

[long whale]

It's not a pun, it's an insult. "Du Gans" = You stupid woman 👀

[night dagger]

whaaaaaat?

[night dagger]

sorry, i had no idea.

[night dagger]

TIL, smh

[icy flax]

what was supposed to be the Wortspiel anyways?

I wanted to understand

[night dagger]

du hast ganz Recht...

had no idea "Gans" was a pejorative used towards women

[icy flax]

So you decided to change ganz to Gans and to also move it in the sentence?

gotcha

[fervent kernel]

Hello :)
Does this make sense as I wrote it?

Ich hoffe dass es noch etwas zu machen gibt, wenn ich ankomme!

[night dagger]

ich hoffe, es gibt noch etwas zu machen, wenn ich ankomme.

"zu tun" geht auch

[fervent kernel]

Ah Dankeschön!

[night dagger]

AirPods sound pretty good

This really isn’t the channel for those types of questions tho

[icy flax]

,,Das Kratzen am Kopf ist eine Geste der Nachdenkens"
Des Nachdenkens, right? (double-checking w u guys)

[wintry geode]

Yes

[worldly lotus]

Is there an instant dictionary like when you stumble upon a new word and you can look it up immediately when you click on/hold it ? Any help would be appropriated

For example : the Oxford dictionary on iphone but i don’t think it’s reliable

[long whale]

I'm told separable verbs present a problem to this kind of dictionary. Therefore, it would be of rather limited use. :)

[copper prism]

Hallo! Ich bin auf der Suche nach jemandem, der daran interessiert ist, die Rolle meiner Katze zu spielen.

Hi! Does this sounds right? I mean... not right like moraly right, but is it well translated. 😋

[long whale]

If you're looking for someone to act as if they were your cat, it's fine, yes. 😹

[copper prism]

@long whaleIt is something about role play. I need someone to play role of my cat on forum game.

[long whale]

Yes, well, then it's perfect, yes. :)

[fervent kernel]

There's the TransOver extension for chrome/opera. Not sure if it works on phone though

[onyx rain]

is it correct to say "Es ist niemand in dem Haus" or should it be "Es gibt niemand in dem Haus" I feel inclined to use the latter but...a lot of time on server, its mentioned that "es gibt" refers to "more permanent" things? I want to say "There is no no one in the house"

[proven sphinx]

Generally, "im" is always preferred to "in dem", unless you're using "dem" as a demonstrative pronoun to emphasize that it's that house and not another one. So it should be "Es ist niemand im Haus". "Es gibt" doesn't sound right here.

I think you're right about "es gibt" sounding way too permanent for this context.

[swift bough]

Yeah no you wouldn’t use „es gibt“ in that context because it is like you’re saying someone is permanently there. If you mention for example how many people were at a party you also don’t use „es gibt“. You would use „Es sind/es waren“ (Es sind/es waren 10 Leute auf der Party).

[proven sphinx]

This "es" is a so-called placeholder, since it can be omitted entirely by reformulating the sentence as "Niemand ist im Haus" or "Zehn Leute waren auf der Party".

However, that would place the emphasis on "niemand" or "zehn Leute" respectively, so the version with "es" is definitely the more common one.

[fervent kernel]

Hello, I suck at German and would self-qualify as A2 speaker at most (maybe less). Just finished watching Nicos Weg and opened my Netflix to see How to sell drugs online (fast) got a new season. I've already watched the first 2 seasons in my L1 (spanish) and was wondering whether I should attempt to watch the 3rd in German or first this one in Spanish and then watch the entire series all over again in German.

[swift bough]

Imo you should watch it in German with German subtitles at least once. Whether you wanna watch it in your L1 or not first is up to you.

[crimson olive]

Not too important but uh, is My name is „Ich heiße“ or „Ich heiß“

[scenic drift]

heiße, but you might hear it shortened to heiß in casual speech 😉

[crimson olive]

Thank you!

[night dagger]

or "ich bin..."

[onyx rain]

For age comparison do we not use "kleiner" und "größer" ? I have heard it being used like that but maybe it was too old and in current German it sounds weird, that's why people find it funny and correct me ? Just double checking

[night dagger]

that would be for height comparisons

[swift bough]

You use older and younger just like in English

älter und jünger

[onyx rain]

I am affirmative it was in context of age, coz it was like wo is klein Sohn ? And the reply was er geht noch zur Schule

[night dagger]

where is the little son?

[swift bough]

ahh

well

"little brother" is still "der kleine Bruder"

but "der jüngere Bruder" is fine too

[onyx rain]

And then like eldest daughter großte Tochter and like she studies at the university

[willow socket]

größte?

[onyx rain]

Guess it's in very specific context

[onyx rain]

Yes

[night dagger]

well, again it works the same in english

little brothers, little sisters

big brother, big sister

[onyx rain]

Eldest daughter, youngest son

[night dagger]

but generally, if you're comparing ages you use jünger/älter

[fervent kernel]

Is there a particular explanation for this though? Made this mistake recently but I don't get why z.B. Es gab 10 Leute auf der Party/Es gibt niemand im Haus isn't correct. Or is it one of those things that's like that bc it's Like That?

[swift bough]

Because it's not how it works in German

There are two ways to say "there is/are"

Instead of just one

But they are not interchangeable

[fervent kernel]

I see. So does the es waren Version apply to only people/animals?

[swift bough]

Eh, technically there is a third one too.

[fervent kernel]

Oh?

[swift bough]

No. It can be objects too.

Or ghosts

[fervent kernel]

Are there any particular rules as to how one can decide when to use which one

[swift bough]

Anything

Lmao

Yes

Es gibt = something exists somewhere, permanently

Es sind/waren = something or someone is somewhere, but it isn't going to stay there

[fervent kernel]

What about a box in a house that's going to be moved away

[swift bough]

"Im Haus ist ein Kasten/Box"

"Es ist im Haus ein Kasten/Box"

[fervent kernel]

Ah I see. So it's all about the context

What's the 3rd way though?

[swift bough]

The 3rd one is for when you are pointing to something or looking at something which you have just located or pointed out to someone else. Or it could even be something you can't see atm.

"Da sind die Ärzte"

"Da ist die Küche"

[fervent kernel]

Ahh i see

Somehow I never noticed it before but now it's so obvious

[swift bough]

If you just explained to someone where something is then you can be like "Ja, und da sind sie"

For something you can't see

Or da ist es

[fervent kernel]

And one more question

Ich dachte, es seien Otter

Why do we have to use Konjunktiv 1/seien here?

[swift bough]

Uhh, you probably came across the swiss version of it.

Normally you would say "Ich dachte, es wären Otter"

[fervent kernel]

Huh

That's weird

[swift bough]

In Swiss German, as far as I have been told, Konj I is more common in spoken lang

[fervent kernel]

Context: showed my teacher a picture and she corrected me bc i said they were some other animal

And then i said, ach so ich dachte, es sind Otter

And she said it's es seien

Is it perhaps because of ich dachte getting the indirekte Rede Treatment?

[swift bough]

You also can't use the present there either. But "seien" is not as much what you will hear in Germany.

Not in spoken language anyway

[fervent kernel]

I see. Thanks for the explanation(s)!

[swift bough]

np

[fervent kernel]

Ah it was per chat

I guess I'll ask her sometime so all good

[long whale]

You may well be right as to Präsens being incorrect. Still, I'd say it's mostly what you're going to hear. :)

[swift bough]

That hasn’t really been my experience

It‘s not like I’ve never heard that but I wouldn’t say it’s more common.

[long whale]

Well... if I told a story about how I wrongly assumed I'd seen otters, yeah, I'd say "Ich dachte, das wären Otter", i.e. until I realized they were beavers. But if I'm showing you a picture and you say "Oh, the beaver picture", I'd probably say "Ach, ich dachte, das sind Otter" 🤷

[swift bough]

Yeah I could see that for sure. It’s definitely less weird in the second example to use it than it would be in the first one.

[dusk sinew]

Wann kannst “heißt”bedeutet “means”

[night dagger]

think of "heißt" as in "called/named"

[true grove]

In the context of "means" Germans usually use it when they make conclusions or sometimes for translating (not only languages).
Example:
people having a conversation about the dinner
Das heißt (wohl/also), dass wir heute nicht in das Restaurant gehen.
(That means that we don't go to the restaurant today.)

"car" heißt "Auto" in Deutsch.
("car" means "Auto" in German.)

[long whale]

What is his name/What is he called? = Wie heißt er? vs. What does this mean/signify OR What do you mean [when you say...]? = Was heißt das? :)

[shut briar]

Welches Verb benutzt ihr für Movie Release

[sly ferry]

(Film)veröffentlichung

[long whale]

Premiere haben :)

[whole portal]

premieren geht auch

[long whale]

If so, then exclusively in Switzerland. :)

[whole portal]

Huh?

Ich hab's auf jeden Fall schon gehört.

[long whale]

It's not in DWDS - and they do have a lot of words used only in Switzerland.

[whole portal]

In die Kinos kommen also works

[icy flax]

Ok, many questions here:

1. irgendeiner Unterschied hier? oder
   habe keinen finden können = konnte keinen finden?
2. wird das ,,wie" als "als" hier verwendet? Meines Erachtens kommt diese Verwendung auch heute bei Dialekten vor.
   (...) wie ich an einen hohen Berg (...)
3. dieses "gar" im Sinne von "viel", wie häufig ist es heutzutage?
4. Warum heißest?
   (...) und als bald hernach das Männlein hereintrat (...)

[long whale]

The answer to pretty much everything is: this is German from about 200 years ago - may or may not have been slightly modernized at some point, but it's old. :)

@icy flax

1. no, no difference. But I'd suggest using "konnte keinen finden".

[icy flax]

Schon im Voraus, vielen Dank!

[icy flax]

Why would you suggest?

[long whale]

No, no, that's it.

[long whale]

Because "habe nicht können" is... awkward.

[icy flax]

thanks, I don't like when people use
habe + modal
instead of the "präteritum" of the modal

[long whale]

If you want the specifics: 2) yeah, but not in Standard German, so: don't. 3) obsolete 4) also obsolete @icy flax

I'd warmly suggest finding something else to read. :)

[icy flax]

ich liebe die Spezifischen ^^

[plain umbra]

If you want to look up more about it, it's called double infinitive (the finden können, I mean).

[icy flax]

yeah, exatly!

[swift bough]

I know a native from somewhere else that said he prefers „Ich habe…(other infinitive) + müssen“ over „Ich musste“ which I found strange but interesting

[icy flax]

Thank you! I'm specifically reading these because my friends said they liked the grimms

[long whale]

Mm. Dialectal/Regional use. 🤷

[icy flax]

quite rare, right? (in your life experience)

[plain umbra]

Is he from a place where they don't use Präteritum?

[swift bough]

Yes

[swift bough]

Don’t remember where he said he’s from

[long whale]

Rhineland-Palatine comes to mind.

[plain umbra]

Cause I would say in most cases the only reason someone uses it is because their dialect basically doesn't use Präteritum. Most other native speakers just avoid it because, even for native speakers, it sounds weird and excessive as a grammar concept. 😄

[swift bough]

I just double checked to see whether he said he’s from there out of all his sent messages and yes that’s where he’s from. Bingo.

[plain umbra]

At least in my experience.

[plain umbra]

Nice.

[long whale]

Yes, they're really nice and they're classics. However, they're chock-full of weird words and grammar. So, either read a modernized version, or save it for later. Please? Pretty please?

[mild cairn]

Quick question, so if I want back in time to nazi Germany and I spoke German, would they understand me and I get away with it.

[long whale]

Same as for English from about 70+ years ago. 🤷

[mild cairn]

so I could pass as German?

[long whale]

What about "Same as for English from about 70+ years ago" is it you don't understand? 🤔

[mild cairn]

I'm an idiot

plane an simple

fuck

plain

see

no wonder I don't have friends.

[icy flax]

nicht mich verprügeln, aber aber aber... ich versuche gerade, der Thomas Mann zu lesen, der Zauberberg 😫 (nur weil Du mir gesagt gast, er war schwer haha)

[long whale]

Uh... you aren't going to find a lot of German ones if you keep talking about Nazi Germany. Not here, at least. :)

[mild cairn]

It was just a question.

[long whale]

Yes. And do you feel I was wrong? But at least it's good German. 🤷

[long whale]

I was actually trying to be helpful. :)

[swift bough]

In case you weren‘t aware, (at least for me), saying „what is it about this you don’t understand“ can come across as somewhat judgemental or just that you’re frustrated with someone. Not always, but I feel like most of the time it’s used that way. At least in my experience.

[long whale]

That's why I tried to temper it with the 🤔 :)

[mild cairn]

I take everything seriously, nothing is funny to me, one wrong move and I'd get pissed or upset in general.

[swift bough]

Imo a smiley would have worked better 🤐

[long whale]

That's exactly what can happen with Germans when you start talking about Nazi Deutschland. :)

[swift bough]

Some Germans won’t mind talking about their historical past though, and some just will.

[fierce idol]

Just try to avoid the 'nazi German thing'. Make it like 'let's say.. Germany 70 years ago. Would they understand me?' and people would consider much less likely that you are a troll / trying to be annoying 👀

Since the 'nazi part' is totally irrelevant to your question

[mild cairn]

IT WAS A FUCKING QUESTION

[fierce idol]

I know

I don't see where I said it isn't 👀

[swift bough]

Thing is we get shitloads of trolls on this server making jokes about Nazis. People are a bit more sensitive here to that word I feel like. @mild cairn

[mild cairn]

Ok?

I'm not a troll.

[swift bough]

Good

[mild cairn]

if I was, I'd be banned right when I joined.

[long whale]

Mm. Highly context dependent, though, I'd say. :)

[swift bough]

There‘s not anything wrong with your question either imo

Some people are just sensitive to it

[swift bough]

Tbh there hasn’t been a single German I’ve talked to who didn’t want to talk about it, probably because I am extremely respectful and careful when discussing it.

[plain umbra]

Yeah, but it's very different when you're online because there's such a huge proportion of people who are trolls.

Not as much irl.

[mild cairn]

I'm very straightforward about what I talk about.

[swift bough]

I didn’t mean only IRL. I meant both IRL and online.

[mild cairn]

yes

[plain umbra]

Please don't get angry and type aggressively towards people here. If you are frustrated and can't keep calm, walk away from the keyboard for a bit.

You will get muted if you talk to people like that again.

[long whale]

Yeah... But it's something I do in DMs, mostly. :)

[fierce idol]

I didn't wanna call you a troll, sorry if it came across that way ^^
I just wanted to tell you how to to prevent the exact stuff that is happening right now from happening 👀
To answer your question though, they would have understood you, yes. Or at least a native German. Or well, might depend on where you go, since I wouldn't understand everyone, either. Today everyone understands 'standard German'. Back then it might have been different, so there might have been places where people wouldn't have understood me

[mild cairn]

berlin

[fierce idol]

However, German wasn't 'the same' and they would notice that there is something different

[mild cairn]

1945

[fierce idol]

If I spoke the same way I speak to some friends, for example, that would probably be kinda hard for them, since I use a lot of 'Denglisch', for example

[fierce idol]

thanks for the history lesson 👀

[swift bough]

I would think the most major difference would be the colloquial speech. Especially with denglisch floating around today, they’d really be like wtf

[mild cairn]

lmao

[fallow ledge]

alter das ist voll krank

[fierce idol]

However, I could avoid the Denglisch and probably be understood. Also the other way around, there are a lot of old words as well that I totally wouldn't understand

[long whale]

Would you disagree with my initial answer, then? #questions-2 message

[fierce idol]

Hmm, it's probably similar

[swift bough]

Even people from the 80s speaking English said some really cringe expressions. Can only imagine what that was like 70+ years ago lol

[icy flax]

Ganz im Gegenteil, hattest Du Recht! Sehr wohl empfindest Du dasselbe, wenn Du Dir Bücher auf Spanisch vorliest, es ist ein derartig imposantes Gefühl: ,,wow, bin ich echt der, der das gerade ausspricht? Und die Geschichte hört sich auch so wirklich an. Großartig!". So fühle ich mich wenn ich eine ganze Seite von dem verstanden hab. Sehr gutes Deutsch indeed.

[icy flax]

in Unglorious Bastards, one of the not-german-guys passes by (as?) "German". He said he was from this rare place and that's how they speak there. No questions asked, until the... wrong way of counting up to 3. 🙂
They would probably think "ok, he is speaking a bad german, but he might from this place where foxes and bunnies say good night" (if you know what I mean)

[fallow ledge]

one of the first things covered in my begginer german course was that you count using your thumb lol

id show you a picture of it its so funny, but i dont have the textbook with me

[shell magnet]

When I learn German how do I learn every word without missing anything

[icy flax]

Impossible. Whatever thing you try to learn (in life), you wont have it 100% craved; you will eventually forget bits of it with time. I guess the drill is more "what method will work for me the best?" and this is a very personal thing. I heard some guys here just heard the language everyday for 6 months without any actual studying, then they started. Others devoured German grammar, then went for vocabulary (i'm in this group). Last but least, I'd say the great majority follows books in order, starting from A1 and going up until C2.

[shell magnet]

I’ve been learning by writing the word I’m trying to learn over and over again till I remember it will this method work?

Sorry for bad grammar

[icy flax]

Maybe to you it will. A teacher of mine believed it works better when the words you noting down are linked in some form (food words, office words, bakery shop words). He told me it worked pretty to him and his students. (It sounded giberrish to me)

May I ask you mother tongue, @shell magnet ?

[fallow ledge]

Perhaps, for a more long term method, you could try a flash card program like anki or memrise

[shell magnet]

I grew up on English

[icy flax]

Oh, I see, if you were a spanish/portuguese speaker of some sort I guess I could help you with some stuff in the beginning. :(

[shell magnet]

Oh it’s okay! Ty for your help!

[shell magnet]

Do you have any flash card programs you recommend?

[fallow ledge]

Yes anki and memrise

[shell magnet]

Ty!

[late canyon]

Anyone know the secret to get the "acht" sound?

[dire niche]

you might try basing it off of gargling and then keep practicing it to make it sound better

i guess there isnt really a secret

generally the way i go about learning a new sound is to just keep trying until i get it to sound better, keep slowly improving and eventually you should be able to say it more or less effortlessly

just make it a habit to keep trying the sound throughout the day

[frank trench]

Is there a difference in pronunciation for 'ch' for if it's at the end of a word, versus in the middle?

[dire niche]

it depends on what vowels are near it

[frank trench]

Oh, would you mind giving some examples?

[dire niche]

ichlaut for e i ä ö ü (dich, Fächer, Bücher, Knecht, möchte) achlaut for o u a (Dach, doch, Tuch) and usually when ch is near no vowels its the ichlaut

an example for near no vowels is durch

try listening to a bunch of words with ch and you should start to see the pattern better

[frank trench]

Okay, thank you

[dire niche]

np

oh and for the dipthongs ei and eu are ichlaut (Eiche, euch) while au is achlaut (auch)

[fervent kernel]

why lösen not löschen

[willow socket]

lösen = unpin ?

[astral shell]

Hallo! Ich habe eine Frage, was ist richtig :

• Wer bist du von Beruf?
  oder
• Was bist du von Beruf?

[willow socket]

das zweite

[astral shell]

@willow socket danke)

[signal sky]

Gibt es einen unterschied zwischen "auf den ersten Blick" und "auf ersten Blick"? Oder, warum ist "auf ersten Blick" falsch, wenn das falsch ist.

[charred ridge]

Hallo Leute, ich habe eine Frage;
Warum wir sagen zB;
Was ist deine Muttersprache ?
Wie ist deine Telefonnummer ?
Wann wir benutzen was und wann wie ?

[modest cedar]

schwierige Frage. Ich denke, du musst es oft so auswendig lernen.

[charred ridge]

Klar , Danke sehr 🙏

[long whale]

auf ersten Blick isn't possible. When countable nouns (nouns with a plural) are used in singular, you usually need some sort of article. :)

[signal sky]

Dankeschön :)

[onyx rain]

I didn't understand the "Aber auf einmal kam es ganz lustig angelaufen" part

what was funny, I know the meaning of the words but the sentence doesn't make sense to me in this context ?

[proven sphinx]

"es" refers to "das Schneiderlein". Basically, the little tailor came in a happy mood, which scared the giants.

Especially since they thought he was dead.

[onyx rain]

Lustig here means happy mood ?

[magic elm]

humorous / funny

ah I didn't read before that (sry) hmm

i defo acquiesce

[shut briar]

How would i best say ˋthis movie was released/came out in 2007´? @long whale @whole portal @sly ferry

Premier haben and in die kino kommen seems connected to the cinema, while today movies aren't always released in cinema. I would also like to say it for songs and books

[whole portal]

Dieser Film wurde 2007 veröffentlicht.
Dieser Film kam 2007 in die Kinos.
Dieser Film erschien 2007.

Pick one

[vapid snow]

Dieser Film wurde 2007 veröffentlicht.

[warm radish]

where can I access the courses mentioned

[urban kelp]

@whole portal isn't the right one "Dieser Film wurde in 2007 veröffentlicht"?

[willow socket]

you can just say 2007

or im Jahre 2007

[proven sphinx]

That's a very common mistake, even among native speakers. But this arose due to English influence and it's not really correct in German.

[urban kelp]

Oh, so to date a year I can just say 1998 etc without any prepositions does this same imply to months and days?

[proven sphinx]

You can say e.g. "Ich bin 1993 geboren", but it would be "Ich bin im Juli 1993 geboren". You do need a preposition for months and days, but not for years.

[swift bough]

If you are going to use it, you can also use „im Jahre“, but as Raven says just not by itself.

[urban kelp]

Thank you for brightening my mind about this

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, but always saying "im Jahre X" can be rather cumbersome.

[swift bough]

I never use it myself

It’s just extra unnecessary words imo

[proven sphinx]

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/In-2020-oder-im-Jahre-2020

However, even Duden has to admit that "in 2021" is starting to become more common in German, though it's still not considered correct, so I'd advise against using it.

[swift bough]

I remember being taught in Germany that it’s just straight up wrong

Although it could easily totally change over time

And become something obsolete

[vapid snow]

@swift bough wieso ist die STVO so kacke für racer :(

[swift bough]

wüsste nichts davon

[proven sphinx]

Language isn't something fixed. However, I wouldn't be surprised if e.g. in a few centuries the genitive case has completely disappeared even from Standard German.

[swift bough]

As long as humanity is still there to experience that change I would agree

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, unfortunately, that was my thought as well...

But hey, maybe there will be some German-speaking hunter-gatherer society or something. 😂

[icy flax]

So hab ich mir euch geschildert.
Gand@proven sphinx und Bilnate Baggins
https://tenor.com/view/gandolf-pipeweed-lord-of-the-rings-gif-8289613

[shut briar]

Sich entschieden für etw is to decide on

How would i then say, i decide for him in German

[fair violet]

ich entscheide für ihn

[shut briar]

Oh okay, so remove the reflexiv pronomen

[fair violet]

Oh wait, do you mean "I make the decision for him" or "I choose him"? Because the first one would be "Ich entscheide für ihn", but the second would be "Ich entscheide mich für ihn"

[swift bough]

If you were to have the reflexive pronoun, it would end up meaning „I choose you“ (Ich entscheide mich für dich), instead of, „I choose for you“.

[shut briar]

@fair violet @swift bough verstanden. Der Unterschied ist dad reflexiv Pronomen

[fair violet]

genau

[long whale]

Please: So hab ich mir euch geschildert vorgestellt. "jemandem etwas schildern" = to describe something to someone :)

[icy flax]

Hab heute so gelesen ,,man mag es kaum glauben, dass er je so etwas wie Angst verspürt hat, wie er es in seinem Buch schildert", und dachte mir "schildern" wäre etwas wie "to depict", also im Sinne, eine Abbildung sich vorzustellen. Was wär das richtige Verb dafür?
sich etw. ausmalen

[long whale]

Mm, sich etwas ausmalen isn't used with people, it's used with situations. In your sentence, you'd use "sich etwas vorstellen". "schildern" is just a synonym for "beschreiben", to describe. :)

[shut briar]

Können Muttersprachler unterscheiden zwischen du und er sie es Konjugations Aussprache in Verben wie waschen

Wäschst und wäscht

Weil ich nicht kann

[night dagger]

not exactly sure what your question is

oh i see now

yeah, that ear training will come with time

key is to start slow or pronounce it slow and then speed up. something like that will give you a better idea of the gymnastics which happen in your mouth when pronouncing these words. obviously it's prudent to compare your pronunciation with pronunciations found online

[shut briar]

The S is very difficult to pronounce if sch is already present

So i was wondering if native speakers are talking very fast, do they pronounce it or nit

[icy flax]

Frau Susana! Entschuldige mich; ich habe deine Antwort nur erst gesehen. (:
Danke sehr!
(muss ich auch zugeben, dass ich mir nicht sicher von der Verwendung von "schildern" war, und nur in der Hoffnung geschrieben habe, dass irgendein nettes Mitglieder mich korrigieren würde? :D)

[icy flax]

Maybe try to break it? https://voca.ro/1anRa496Ridp
"du wäsch-st, er wäsch-t, wäschst, wäscht, sch sch sch, s s s, sch s, sch s, du wäschst, er wäscht, du wäschst, wäschst, schst, sch-s-t, wäschst, du wäschst" (I hope it helps ^^)

[tulip swift]

hey does anyone hear know a resource that shows you like a word and derived words with prepositions

like if you search "klären" it'll show "erklären" "aufklären" etc

i often get confused by those

[long whale]

Yes, the S often does get swallowed. Some people do pronounce it, though: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/De-wäschst.ogg I'd pronounce it if I were emphasizing, as in "Wenn du das wäschst, dann ist es ruiniert. Das muss in die Reinigung (if you wash this, you'll ruin it. It'll have to go to the dry cleaner's). Does that help?

[long whale]

Yes, here: https://deutschepraefixverben.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/deutsche-praefixverben/ You can click either the French or the English version. The default setting is the all-German version. I very much doubt you'll find it more useful than any normal dictionary, though. :)

[dawn jackal]

Jede Abteilung hat wenigstens fünf Mitarbeiter, die der Firma jeweils mehr als zehn Jahre angehören

In keiner Abteilung gibt es Mitarbeiter, die ein höheres Gehalt bekommen als ihr jeweiliger Abteilungsleiter.

Könnte mir jemand die Bedutung von"jeweilger,jeweiligs" hier so erklären

[willow socket]

respective

so in each department, there are workers. But none of the workers earn more than their respective department leaders

[dawn jackal]

ja ich verstehe aber was für ein regel ist ?

[willow socket]

du hast nach der Bedeutung gefragt.

jeweils = adverb, doesn't decline (meaning something like each, or every)
jeweilig- = adverb or adjective, declines according to the noun it's attached to. (meaning respective/respectively)

[fallow flint]

Is there a reason for having multiple words for the same thing? Like leute and mensch. Or Ort and Platz? Are there different circumstances where you would prefer one over the other?

[swift bough]

Yes it’s just context dependent. You may not even realize it but English also has words which can be used in multiple different situations, based on which meaning it takes on. And also multiple English words that can be translated as the same thing into other languages.

And for the specific examples you gave, those tend to almost never be interchangeable.

[fallow flint]

How? Can you give some examples where you would prefer leute over mensch?

[swift bough]

(der) Mensch:
This refers more to your mortal being. You have to eat, sleep, drink, and exercise for the best chance of survival (you also have to use the bathroom). It also refers more to people who you don’t know. If you’re for example making a statement about how there’s tons of people in a stadium, „Menschen“ fits perfectly. Although „Leute“ works it doesn’t feel as natural to me as „Menschen“.

(die) Leute:
Firstly note that this only exists in plural as Leute. This is mostly used for people who you actually know. If you’re at a party and you want to say „Hey guys“ to get their attention you can say „Hey Leute!“, but it would sound extremely weird to say „Hey Menschen!“. Calling your group of friends „Leute“ sort of establishes a sense of friendship. If you were to ask how many people will be at a party, especially if it’s a private party, „Leute“ works better than „Menschen“, but I could see „Menschen“ still working fine especially if you’re invited to a private party where you still won’t even know everyone.

[fallow flint]

Oh so leute is more personal than menschen

[swift bough]

Basically yes

[fallow flint]

Thanks for the help!

[swift bough]

I still remember for example when one of my German roommates just wanted to make sure I was keeping the bathroom clean, and he said something like „Du bist auch ein Mensch, oder?“ referring to the fact that I also need to relieve myself

[fallow flint]

Or rather. Danke für deine hilfe! Is that correct?

[swift bough]

Yes, just make sure you always capitalize your nouns!

[fallow flint]

Danke für deine Hilfe

[shut briar]

Danke Vudu ⤴️ Das ist genau das, was ich brauchte

[fallow flint]

For a second I forgot help was a noun lol

[swift bough]

Lol

Most times you are declining something, it is going to be followed by a noun (or at least be referring to one).

Declined here as in -e on dein

[fallow flint]

I don’t know what any of that means. I am not very far in grammar yet

[swift bough]

No problem I was there once too

Would you like an explanation ?

[fallow flint]

No thanks. I would prefer to go slowly with the grammar. Go too fast and you feel the neurons melting away

[swift bough]

Yep, nobody can remember everything all at once.

[fallow flint]

I am at the noun genders and how to identify them without memorising the entire language

Are you a native speaker?

[swift bough]

No not at all, this was also why I mentioned the example with my German roommate above, just as one example from my real life experience with the language to help explain how it works (the difference between Leute and Mensch I mean).

[shut briar]

Ja that helps. I have managed to pronounce it slowly, but not if i'm talking fast.

About the word Ruiniert. I heard it in the dictionary, and the R doesn't sound like your typical German harsh R, the one I've been told to practice by Gargling. I am completely lost.

[fallow flint]

What is the meaning of your name, if you don’t mind me asking? Seems unreasonably long

[swift bough]

There is also a third word, not sure if you wanna hear about it, "die Person", lol

[swift bough]

German and compound words are like husband and wife...they are really attracted to each other 😂
Compound words are basically just multiple small words all smushed together, which for German is actually really important.

[shut briar]

@swift bough i thought Menschen was Humans. But you don't address a stadium full of people as Humans...

[swift bough]

Menschen can also be humans. That's exactly why I mentioned the "mortal being" bit.

It's sort of hard to explain

Bare with me

People in a stadium are people you don't know, right? I mean, I doubt you personally know 70,000+ people.

Since they are just "humans" and not your "friends", they don't belong to this category "Leute".

As weird as it might sound

But sometimes you can still use "Leute" interchangeably with it, like if you were in a bus.

[shut briar]

And for Person?

I used it once as Ich war die Einzige Person im Kino

[swift bough]

Also there is sort of this subtle subtle sense of "since they're mortal they could all die at any moment" sort of idea with "Menschen".

But not with "Leute".

Thus "mortal"

[swift bough]

This works just fine

[fallow flint]

Your name means Federal Ministry of Defense? Took me a good minute to type all that into DeepL

[swift bough]

Ah sorry I forgot to mention that

No

Federal ministry of transportation

[fallow flint]

DeepL says Defense

[swift bough]

Show how you typed it

It's definitely not defense

[fallow flint]

bundesverhekrsministerium

[long whale]

Don't worry too much about the R. There are a lot more important things in pronunciation (vowel length and quality, for example), and the R in particular is pronounced differently in different regions of Germany. If you can do the "gargling" R, it's a great start. :) thinks hard You aren't talking about the 2nd R in "ruiniert", by any chance, are you?

[swift bough]

"Verkehr" literally means "traffic"

Not defense

btw this is what I get so

[fallow flint]

Then the AI behind the curtain messed up

I think I spelled it wrong

[wintry geode]

with one n

[swift bough]

Oh btw

So, German is not afraid of compound words at all.

That is why my nickname is a "long word"

At least for English's standards

But when you actually think about it, "The federal department/ministry of transportation" is just as long of a name as "das Bundesverkehrministrium"

[fallow flint]

How’s the idea of when reading a long word just imagine reading a bunch of smaller words like in english?

[swift bough]

That is something which you can actually do if you see a long word and want to try to interpret it's meaning

And then you can look it up to see how close you were

[fallow flint]

Yeah i’ll try that out

[long whale]

Yeah, well, those long words won't look as intimidating anymore once your vocabulary has grown: Bund/es - federal; Verkehr - traffic; and you can guess what Ministerium means, anyway. ;)

[swift bough]

Often times the translation is not really such a literal word-for-word translation

But it is close enough

Yeah exactly what Susana said

You can break it into small chunks

"Bundes-" itself is a really common prefix

Since it is just "federal"

[fallow flint]

Yeah I have see it in like BND

[shut briar]

No no, that's non existent right. I'm talking about the first R only, also see: Runter

[proven sphinx]

There are several different ways to pronounce the R.

[long whale]

Ah, okay. Well, I think as you learn to speak German more quickly, you'll probably find you'll be toning down your "gargling" R pretty much automatically. :)

[proven sphinx]

https://voca.ro/14KkT9RnEYWx

That's how I'd pronounce those two words.

[spring socket]

Could you get away with using Diggi, Alter, and similar words in a Goethe exam provided that your German was up to scratch?

[swift bough]

Lmao no

I don’t think so

Especially if you called the instructors that

Just imagine calling your professor dude

Pretty awkward

[spring socket]

Ooh shame, they've become staples of my vocabulary now haha

[swift bough]

There‘s still a time and a place for those words, luckily.

[icy flax]

"Sie haben mich ignoriert oder verarscht, wie es gelegen kam"
is it normal to say "wie es gelegen kam"? It seems to mean sth in the lines of "how it turned to have happened". Still, I can't find any news with this combination of words.

[dull sleet]

I think it should be:
"Sie haben mich ignoriert oder verarscht, wann immer es Ihnen gelegen kam."

or preferably:

(...) wann immer es Ihnen gerade gelegen kam."

[icy flax]

Thoughts, @dull sleet ?

[dull sleet]

There are a few things I would change or rephrase, to be completely honest with you, but if you aim for understandable it has definitely reached that goal! 👍🏻

[fallow ledge]

Is this a phrase youre trying to use, or understand?

[dull sleet]

But one thing for sure, I'd use the term "Opferbeschuldigung", rather than Opfer-Täter-Umkehr.

[icy flax]

understand

[fallow ledge]

Hmm ive only seen it in phrases like: das kommt mir sehr gelegen. And there it means that’s convenient/useful/fortuitous for me

[icy flax]

fucking bot... omg

[fallow ledge]

For here id maybe translate it as: as they saw fit

They either ignored or made fun of me as they saw fit

[fallow ledge]

Was hat dir der arme Botfried angetan gerade das würde ich Opfer-Täter-Umkehr nennen

[icy flax]

Jetzt haben wir es wieder. Es ist ein Auszug vom Song "Sookee - Die Freundin Von"

[dull sleet]

I'd still strongly stand to " wenn es gelegen kam" cause it refers to " when they saw it fit"

[fallow ledge]

Wie is fine tbh

[dull sleet]

but it simply isn't " wie es gelegen kommt " but " wenn es gelegen kommt"

[fossil flax]

My German is rather crap, but “wenn es gelegen kam” is like “when you have time” right? Wouldn’t ‘wie’ imply it’s more like “in what way is it ok with you”?

[dull sleet]

if it refers to a state of how, it should be " wie es passt"

[fossil flax]

Ah

I see

[fallow ledge]

@icy flax hm how they saw fit or or when it was convenient probably work as translations ^^

[dull sleet]

that's why if vudu really wants to go with this phrasing, it should be wenn

[fallow ledge]

Ask susana too when shes awake again

[fallow ledge]

Its not his phrasing

Its a song

[icy flax]

I just don't get whether "they ignored her and mocked her how it fit/deservedly came (ig this is settled hehe)" when she broke someone's nose, or when she got her nose broken.
What you guys think?

[dull sleet]

when she got her nose broken.

It refers to the sentence atop of it, stating she knows how it feels.

[fallow ledge]

Theres no she here tho

Its they

[dull sleet]

but the song is :" Freundin von"?, 🤔

[icy flax]

oh yeah, I guess the song is about her

When she says "ich" I think it is about her past

[dull sleet]

yeah, then yes she got her nose broken.

but she also says she caused quite some turmoil too (like kicking someone below the waistline)

[long whale]

@icy flaxYou'd have to put in "ihnen": ... wie es ihnen gelegen kam. But as this is a song, they dropped it (the extra syllables probably didn't fit in). :)

@dull sleet

@fallow ledge

[signal sky]

Ist "in diesem Art" das gleiche als "auf diese Weise"? Wird das überhaupt benutzt?

[willow socket]

in diesem Art is just wrong. die Art.
perhaps 'in diesem Weg'?

[signal sky]

You are right, how embarrassing. Thank you.

[willow socket]

nothing at all to be embarrassed about.

I think 'in dieser Art' may also be used somewhat similarly (in this manner). 🙂

[long whale]

auf diesem Weg ;)

[willow socket]

I have seen many times 'in diesem Weg' in written german

[long whale]

auf diese Art/Weise ~ using this method; in this way/manner; vs in dieser Art = of this kind :)

[long whale]

gasp

[willow socket]

I may just be going insane.

Clearly it is incorrect, I must be mixing it up with another construction I see often

[long whale]

hopefully in dieser Weise?

[willow socket]

yeah, maybe in dieser Weise.

It wouldn't have been just from reading a lot of bad german. My brain keeps saying it was in formal essays. Pretty much has to have been 'in dieser Weise' yes

[long whale]

😅 You practically had me hyperventilating there...

[willow socket]

see, now I'm embarrassed lmfao

[signal sky]

haha ^^

[signal sky]

thank you once again Susana for clearing that up :)

[long whale]

My pleasure. :)

[spare gyro]

"Wir bleiben zu Hause, weil schlechtes Wetter ist."

hi, in this sentence i’m having trouble understanding the second part grammatically. i know with weil the verb goes at the end, but what is the subject here?

[long whale]

"schlechtes Wetter" is the subject. Maybe it's easier if you think of it as "...weil schlechtes Wetter herrscht" (literally: because bad weather rules). Or am I wrong about the problem you're having? :)

You could also re-phrase it as "... weil das Wetter schlecht ist" (because the weather is bad)

[dull sleet]

I think there is a thumb rule saying, that if there is a causal clause with " weil", main sentence being the first, it is always:
weil + Subject + Verb.

[proven birch]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen „verstehen“ und „verstanden“? Und wenn soll ich beiden benutzen?

[long whale]

verstehen = [to] understand vs verstanden = understood Does that answer your next question? ;)

[proven birch]

Aber zum Beispiel in Englisch sag man „I understand” im Präsens, und in einigen Sprachen sag man „I understood“ in der Vergangenheit

Was ist am häufigsten in deutsch?

[long whale]

ich verstehe = I see vs. [ich habe es] verstanden = gotcha

[proven birch]

So beiden sind stimmt!?

[long whale]

Depending on context, either would work, yes.

*Also sind beide richtig?

[proven birch]

Danke

[proven birch]

Wenn sagst du: ich kann nicht jetzt reden. Darf ich „ich verstehe“ sagen?

[long whale]

English "so" (as in "So, what you're saying is...") = Deutsch "also". English "also" = Deutsch "auch/außerdem" :)

[long whale]

Wenn du sagst "ich kann jetzt nicht reden", darf ich dann "ich verstehe" sagen? - Ja.

[proven birch]

Oh danke, das hilft sehr

[long whale]

Please mind the German word order. :)

[proven birch]

Tut mir leid, deutsch ist sehr schwer für mich

Aber ich versuche es

[long whale]

Don't worry. That one was a lovely German sentence. Word order all correct. :)

[proven birch]

Yaaaay I got one right

Also danke, dass du mir geholfen hast

Ich habe es jetzt verstanden

[long whale]

👏 💐

[icy flax]

Später kam die Walküre fürs Retten. Danke dir, Susana! Wer hat Deiner Meinung nach den bildlichen Schlag ins Gesicht am Ende bekommen? Der Icherzähler selbst, die Anderen, oder beide?

[long whale]

"ich weiß, wie es sich anfühlt" - I know what it feels like :)

And this is no figurative thing.

fürs Retten um mich zu retten/zur Rettung

[charred ridge]

Hallo Leute ich verstehe diese Übung nicht.
Die Frage ist :Antworten Sie wie im Beispiel. Gebrauchen Sie in Ihren Antwortsätzen Personalpronomen.

Also warum die Antwort ist nicht;
Nein, ich habe es nicht.

[proven sphinx]

It just doesn't sound very idiomatic in this case. It's better to just say "Nein, ich habe kein Geld" or "Ich habe nichts".

[charred ridge]

Klar Tausend Dank 🙏

[vagrant frigate]

Do you have money?

No, I don't have money.

[quick shore]

What is the letter that makes the word plural, for example, in English we say in the singular a book and in the plural books?

[proven sphinx]

I'm afraid it's not quite that simple in German. There are several plural forms, depending on which word we're talking about.

[quick shore]

Oh

Ok let's say umm song

[proven sphinx]

That would be Lied - Lieder.

Even English has irregular plurals like child - children, but in German there is almost no such thing as a "regular" plural.

[solid hull]

so wouldn't it make it a regular plural in German

[quick shore]

Oh thank you thank

[fair violet]

I'm just confused why they wrote Elefant with ph

[wintry geode]

Alte Schreibweise glaub ich

[shut briar]

So etwas passiert nunmal schnell, auch wenn ein Hund nur spielen möchte.

Nunmal??

I found out it's short for nur einmal

But still, i don't get the sense here

[ancient kernel]

not to interrupt, but Susana, once your done, mind taking a look at #questions

[long whale]

Not "nur einmal" (once), but "nun einmal". In this particular case, you probably wouldn't translate it at all. "So ist es nunmal/nun einmal" means as much as "That's just the way it is. [So, deal with it]" Or maybe, in the above sentence, you might say it means "Let's face it, something like that can happen quickly". Not sure whether that helps?

[shut briar]

Well, i always have trouble with idiomatic phrases. I get it, but to sink it in i just have to see it being used in spoken a bunch of times.

[long whale]

You and everybody else on the planet. ;)

[shut briar]

See the sentences Denken + an

It's used for both thinking and remember

Why's that

[kind knoll]

im not sure what youre referring to?

are you asking why these verbs are followed by an?

[spare gyro]

thanks for the help. i guess i was confused because the literal translation "because bad weather is" doesn’t make sense to me, but i guess it’s a valid construction in german?

[mighty venture]

It has to do with the placement of the verbs in German

if it’s a „weil“ sentence, it’s always at the end. If its two verbs, I believe its the „Hilfsverb“ at the end. I am not really good at explaining it tho since I do it intuitively xD

[mighty venture]

German is quite literal, you could say, if you remember something or you get reminded by smth about smth, you think about it. There is no other way to explain it unfortunately

[long whale]

Yes, exactly, it is. Although I can't think of any other instance (apart from those already mentioned) where an additional "es" would not be necessary (just like in English). :)

[spare gyro]

that makes sense, danke!

[faint pumice]

Hallo an alle, ich habe eine Frage an Muttersprachler: „dank dem Kurs“ oder „dank des Kurses“ - wie klingt es besser? Grammatisch passt doch beides

[fleet hearth]

Dank des Kurses :D

[light ivy]

I’m really sorry to interrupt, but May someone please use “abhelfen” in a sentence?

[faint pumice]

Vielen Dank!

[near folio]

Beispiele kannst du hier finden: https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/abhelfen

[light ivy]

Danke

[spring socket]

I find this really interesting, it isn't unprofessional for journalism outlets like NTV to use 'shitstorm'? Is this a common term in German media?

[whole portal]

Not at all

Shitstorm is a purely descriptive term

And yea its common

[proven sphinx]

Basically, a few years ago, Duden officially recognized "Shitstorm" as a valid German word. After that point, basically every German-speaking newspaper or news site started using it at the same time, which was kind of funny. And it's still used to this day, so I guess it wasn't just a temporary fad.

Here's an example about the same recent incident...

It's just become the normal word used for "online backlash/outcry" in German-speaking newspapers.

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Shitstorm

[swift bough]

That is so weird

I rarely even hear that word at all in English anymore

[proven sphinx]

It's especially funny to me because it's a word that was used a lot on places like 4chan, for example. 😂

[swift bough]

But here we were talking about it being used in German.

[proven sphinx]

At least that word actually means the same thing in English, though it would sound too vulgar for any serious newspaper to use it. What about "Handy", for example? That doesn't even mean the same thing in English. Kek.

[swift bough]

Or "dick"

[proven sphinx]

That's a false cognate. It's not like "Handy", which was borrowed directly from English, but then its meaning was changed.

[swift bough]

But the point wasn't necessarily that it's a cognate, just that it's a funny coincidence, regardless.

[proven sphinx]

I mean, it's not even a false cognate. It has a direct cognate in English, which is "thick".

[swift bough]

@long whale What did you find confusing?

[long whale]

I just don't get the connection, is all. 🤷 (Yeah, I know what it means in English.)

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, exactly. It would be "réalisateur" or "metteur en scène".

[swift bough]

Raven mentioned that the word "Handy" exists in both English and German, which both mean different things in each respective language. Well, so does "dick". It's in both languages, having a different meaning in each one. @long whale

That is the connection.

[proven sphinx]

Blamage

Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheingallizismus

No.

[swift bough]

Obviously they're different words lol

But they are spelled the exact same

I mean it's interesting to me

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, they're false friends.

[long whale]

Oh, right. Aren't there more of those?

[swift bough]

I was also not saying anything about the words being related

[proven sphinx]

There are a lot of false friends between English and German, yes.

[swift bough]

I just said it's funny

Yes like Gift

[proven sphinx]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_falscher_Freunde#Englisch

Yes, they are.

But that's the case for many false friends, actually.

[swift bough]

Like I said when I mentioned "dick" I wasn't talking about etymology whatsoever.

[proven sphinx]

Like "actually" and "eventually" vs "aktuell" and "eventuell".

[swift bough]

It's just a funny fake friend

[swift bough]

Yes those are odd ones

[proven sphinx]

English is the odd one out. They mean the same thing as German in pretty much every single other language those words are used in.

[swift bough]

Interesting

TIL

[proven sphinx]

All Romance languages and I think the Slavic languages as well.

actual (ES)/attuale (IT)/actuel (FR) /atual (PT)/aktuell (DE) all mean "current" or "up-to-date" and not "actual".

[swift bough]

"eventuell" is like a less probable maybe though compared to "vielleicht". Like eventuell is like 35% and vielleicht is more like 70%

afaik

[spring socket]

Thanks. Yeah I was reading it and thought it looked unprofessional as hell to use shitstorm, but apparently not 🤷

[proven sphinx]

You should also remember that German speakers overall don't care much about profanity.

lel

[spring socket]

Would a kid get scorned for saying scheiße?

I want to know if they care about profanity

[swift bough]

English is obviously very relevant, but since I am a native to me it is not "cool", it's just "normal", lol

[proven sphinx]

They probably would, but not to the same degree as e.g. Americans would do it. "Swear jars" are an absolutely ridiculous concept to German speakers.

[swift bough]

Wtf is a swear jar

[proven sphinx]

Are you American?

[swift bough]

Yes

[spring socket]

I've only ever seen it in TV shows, I don't think anyone does it for real. Basically, everytime you swear you put money in a jar. I'm not American though

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, weird. I see it very often in movies and such. Families keep a "swear jar", meaning if they swear a lot, they have to put a coin or something into a jar. Kek.

[swift bough]

I've literally never even seen those two words next to each other

Maybe a change jar

Not a swear jar

[proven sphinx]

Maybe it's just a Hollywood invention then.

[tender panther]

never heard of anyone irl having a swear jar but I'm sure some do it

[swift bough]

Wouldn't surprise me

[spring socket]

It's probably a corny TV thing

[tender panther]

probably fundies

[swift bough]

Exactly

But wait

What happens when the swear jar is full

[spring socket]

That's one hell of a name you've got there @tender panther

[proven sphinx]

You get a new one, I guess.

[swift bough]

But don't you get to spend it eventually

Oh that one is probably a cognate but I didn't look it up "to spend" and "spenden" even tho they have different meanings.

[proven sphinx]

Dude, I don't know. I'm not the American here. It must have at least some basis in reality for so many American movies and TV series to show such a "swear jar". Maybe deeply religious Christian families may use it. It's not like there's a lack of those in the Bible belt.

[spring socket]

I don't think scriptwriters thought that far lmao

Send an email to one

[swift bough]

Either way it sounds like a weird thing I've never heard of

I also don't watch many movies

But I also have never heard someone talk about it so

[proven sphinx]

An American who doesn't watch many movies? What are you? Amish? 😂

Nah, jk.

[swift bough]

YouTube is a thousand times better for the record

[spring socket]

SUA?

They like to think they do

[swift bough]

I watch a movie usually only when my brother wants to watch one or if it is Star Wars related

[spring socket]

But they oftentimes don't

[proven sphinx]

Shitting on Americans is every European's favorite pastime.

[swift bough]

And every American's favorite past time is going to Europe and hypocritically complaining about everyone's bad English

Seriously, I hate those kinds of people though

[proven sphinx]

Now don't be silly. Very few Americans get even a single day off of vacation time every year.

[swift bough]

ok prolly off topic yet again

[spring socket]

I bet those kinds of people are quite rare, though - they just get all the attention because they make the most noise

[proven sphinx]

But yeah, we're getting way off-topic here.

[swift bough]

They are definitely rare but they piss me off just thinking about them

[proven sphinx]

In any case, you'd better get used to seeing English words in German because they're becoming more and more trendy. In fact, "trendy" is one of those words you might see often in German. 😂

[swift bough]

The people who I know that speak Denglisch don't really do it to any extreme extent

It's like 95% German when they talk

So luckily it's not too weird

[proven sphinx]

French tries very hard to avoid using anglicisms, but they're used anyway because most people don't give a fuck what the Académie française says.

[swift bough]

I think the most triggered I've been about that is when someone was trying to claim that Denglisch was their "native language" and they weren't even being sarcastic

[proven sphinx]

What the hell...

[swift bough]

It doesn't make much sense since Denglisch isn't even a language, it's just a thing people do / a concept

It's the result of English media being everywhere

[proven sphinx]

I'm perfectly bilingual in both English and German, and I think Denglisch is awful.

[swift bough]

I really don't like Denglisch either but there's like certain words I don't mind in it

It's just like when people are trying to show off that really bugs me

[proven sphinx]

It's funny because I seem to actively avoid using Denglisch most of the time despite my proficiency in English. Like, I have nothing to prove. Using English words when you don't have to just sounds stupid.

[swift bough]

Like I once heard someone just say "I don't know" instead of saying "Ich weiß es nicht", an already very normal thing to say in German. That is what I don't like about when people use it.

At that point it has nothing to do with a lack of a good translation

It's just showing off

Passive aggressively

[proven sphinx]

And the worst thing is that they may not be comfortable holding an actual conversation in English. 😂

[swift bough]

I have always been asking myself, if they love English so much, why don't they just speak it instead of mixing it with German?

Could be a self-esteem issue

[proven sphinx]

Unfortunately, those who use Denglisch excessively are also exactly those who are not all that fluent in English themselves.

[swift bough]

But it's also not like everyone who isn't good at English (yet) uses it, it's the ones who are a combination of 2 things: not so proficient but also trying to act like they are with their Denglisch

[proven sphinx]

"Happy End" is used very often in German, even though "happy ending" would normally be used in English instead.

[swift bough]

I see no issue with non-translatable words just being borrowed, but when you literally just do it to try and act cool is when I find it weird.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've heard it before many times.

[swift bough]

I find one example particularly interesting

[proven sphinx]

"awkward" doesn't have a direct translation into German, to be fair.

[swift bough]

When people use "safe" as a literal translation of "sicher" but then also use it in place of "sicherlich" or "bestimmt", even though in English it wouldn't make any sense. It developed it's own sort of meaning in colloquial speech (mainly in Jugendsprache).

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I know. I've always found that to be pretty weird.

[swift bough]

"You will safe be able to do it" - no, lol

At least that word has the audacity to actually have some sort of unique development

But idk how that happened, although it was most likely just a language barrier related thing where one person misunderstood the actual English meanings of safe

And then it just spread

[fallen lily]

what's the german equivalent for lol?

[swift bough]

there isn't really one

Germans just use lol

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it's not like in French where many people say "mdr" or how Spanish speakers say "jaja" or Brazilians say "kkkkk".

[shut briar]

Just wanted to make sure it makes sense to native speaker, still doesn't to me but i just have to accept it then

[shut briar]

Sie wird bestimmt krank sein wurde mit She ist definitely ill übersetzt.

Das ist falsch oder?

Soll es nicht sein : She will definitely get sick

[swift bough]

Technically it’s „she will surely be sick“. @shut briar

[shut briar]

Isn't that the same, she isn't sick yet, but the way she's going, she will be

[swift bough]

It’s not the same

[devout bison]

When can I take lessons?

[swift bough]

„She will be sick“ is the completed action of her getting sick. „She will get sick“ is not just the final result but also the process of her getting sick.

Because

[devout bison]

If I may ask; I hope it doesn't cost anything

[swift bough]

When you say „she is getting sick“

She isn’t sick all the way yet

But if you say „she is sick“ (is coming from the verb „to be“) then she’s already sick

She is no longer getting sick as it’s already happened

[swift bough]

Lessons are free but only the lessons which are created for everyone. Nobody is giving out free 1-on-1 lessons afaik.

Lessons are usually hosted by one person and then as many people can tune in as they want

[devout bison]

I wish to have someone teach me as I need practice and want to study

[swift bough]

„She will definitely get sick“ is a different sentence, „Sie wird bestimmt krank werden“.

Because werden means both „will“ and „to become“.

[shut briar]

So in my sentence, which meaning is it?

[devout bison]

I just want to say this my German is basic but I know some things, I do have quite the vocabulary

[swift bough]

•Sie wird bestimmt krank = she’s definitely getting sick
•Sie wird bestimmt krank sein = she will definitely be sick
•Sie wird bestimmt krank werden = she will definitely get sick.
@shut briar does this help?

There are two different types of the passive Voice

The one with „werden“ is Vorgangspassiv and the one with „sein“ is just Zustandspassiv

Look into those

If you still don’t get it

[shut briar]

Ja I'll get it when i do passiv

Can i alteast say, she is definitely sick is wrong

[swift bough]

The thing is just, in order to understand the differences between the German sentences

You should understand those concepts

Yeah

The translation you wrote is wrong

[devout bison]

Das ist nicht Korrekt

[shut briar]

I think i get what you are trying to say too. @swift bough

Thanks

[swift bough]

Np good luck

[devout bison]

Ist mein Deutsch Schlecht?

ich kenne worte

I have trouble with sentences

I need to make sure

Because I wouldn't mind taking lessons with others

[shut briar]

Wait @swift bough the sentence with sein, does it fit in this situation?

We are going to a friend's and i am saying she is lying about being sick so she doesn't have to come.
And you reply with No she isn't, sie wird bestimmt krank sein

[swift bough]

If you type >sessions in #botchannel you will be able to see when the next lessons are and participate in them when they happen @devout bison

[devout bison]

Thanks or should I say...

Danke!

[swift bough]

It would be kind of weird if you said „she’s going to be sick“ tbh like as if you already knew she’s going to be sick even though she’s perfectly healthy atm. It would be most fitting to use „she‘s sick“ (already), „sie ist krank“.

Like as if you could predict exactly when she’s gonna be sick

But you could also say she’s getting sick

That works too

Sie wird krank

Does that make sense?

[shut briar]

I think i didn't explain it well. Lemme try agin. We are visiting a friend, because she is sick. But i don't believe it. I think she's making it up. But you do believe it and you tell me,

ˋWhen we reach there, you'll see, she will be sick´

[swift bough]

There‘s also this weird colloquial construction which sometimes happens where when people want to say „it will be“ (es wird…sein) they completely omit the „sein“, so just be aware of that.

I think most of the time it doesn’t happen though

[shut briar]

Yeah you're right, I've seen that, i became a bit annoyed. But i am used to it, being annoyed that it

[shut briar]

@swift bough i am asking this cause i am now comparing it with Hindi instead. Sometimes it's more useful

[swift bough]

Yes in that situation it does make much more sense than the other constructions

No problem do what ya gotta do

[shut briar]

Super, the difference is much more clear now
Th nks again

[swift bough]

Passive is a sort of complex thing to explain but once you understand it I think it’s actually pretty simple

Np

The way my Professor explained it was really clever though. He used the door in order to explain it. While it was open, he said „die Tür ist geöffnet“, and then while he was closing it, he said, „die Tür wird geschlossen“, and then after it was closed he said „die Tür ist geschlossen“. It’s actually a great way to explain it because you see it happening while someone says it.

[shut briar]

Yes! That makes perfect sense! And I'm forming it in other Indo European languages and ich habe es gecheckt

[fallow ledge]

Are passives and being sick really related concepts?

[swift bough]

Only if you say „sie wird krank“

[fallow ledge]

How is that passive

[swift bough]

Which is what we were talking about before

[fallow ledge]

Werden is being used as a full verb there

Meaning to become

[swift bough]

„she‘s getting sick“ = sie wird krank

That’s definitely passive

[fallow ledge]

Its not its like a changing of state

Like hmm

Ich wurde Arzt

I became a doctor

[swift bough]

Werden has many different translations, and in the case of passive, it doesn’t always equate to „become“.

[fallow ledge]

Passive is like when the doer is omitted and either the action or the final state are highlighted

[swift bough]

Sometimes it’s „getting“ or „being“.

„Die Tür wird geschlossen“ is „the door is being closed“, not, „becoming closed“, yet it’s still passive

[fallow ledge]

Yeah thats passive cause you can ask wer schließt die Tür?

[swift bough]

„Ich werde langsam müde“ is also another passive example, but with getting

I‘m getting tired

[shut briar]

You can say the door is getting closed, so pretty much becoming

[fallow ledge]

Thats not passive

[swift bough]

Lmao

[fallow ledge]

Thats werden in its full meaning as a verb that can stand on its own, rather than as an auxiliary supporting the formation of the voice

[swift bough]

It doesn’t matter exactly how it’s translated, what matters is that it uses „werden“ for Vorgangspassiv but „sein“ for Zustandspassiv

[fallow ledge]

Werden + another verb = werden is an auxiliary verb supporting the other verb

[swift bough]

I am confused by what you are trying to point out

[fallow ledge]

Yeah. But try not to mix up werden as a full verb vs werden as an auxillary

Okay maybe its easier with sein or to be

[swift bough]

I didn’t even mention auxiliary or full verb doe

[fallow ledge]

To me it sounds like youre saying all usages of werden are passive, but thats not always true

[swift bough]

Plus what does that even mean

A full verb?

[swift bough]

Nö, definitely not all usages of werden are passive. That’s not what I meant.

You also don’t need „von“ for it to be passive, like you can have „die Tür wird geschlossen“ without saying by whom, and it is still passive.

[fallow ledge]

Werden as a full verb, so as a verb with its own meaning, not one used to support the building of a voice or tense, is something like: ich werde müde.
Using sein as a futher example: as a full verb it means to be: ich bin müde

But both of these verbs double as helping verbs in the formation of tense and voice, now they are kinda more like grammatical objects rather than semantic ones

Ich werde Ärztin werden. I will become a doctor

Nächstes Jahr werde ich Ärztin geworden sein

Next year i will have become a doctor

[swift bough]

Are you saying „ich werde müde“ is or isn’t passive? 🤔

[fallow ledge]

Its not

[swift bough]

How

[fallow ledge]

Think of it like this, müde is not a verb, therefore werden is not supporting anything so theres no passive verb

Werden is active here

Ich werde

[swift bough]

What is it called instead?

[fallow ledge]

Wer wird: ich

Active voice

[swift bough]

Ok

For some reason I don’t remember ever learning about the term

What exactly is active voice

[fallow ledge]

All g its very in the realm of grammar

[fallow ledge]

Active voice is when the agent is in the sentence. And like the verb is conjugated for them

Ich schließe die Tür

Is an active sentence. Since ich, the doer, is the subject of the verb

Maybe its a bit of an unclear definition

Maybe you can think of it as ‚not passive‘

Like ich wurde geschlagen. Is passive because the doer is omitted. You dont know who hit me

Compared to the active sentence:

Hans hat mich geschlagen

Hans did it arrest him!

Does the difference make sense now?

And also why ich werde müde or sie wird krank aren’t passive?

[swift bough]

Define agent

[fallow ledge]

Hmm 🤔 tricky its like the person whose doing the thing

[swift bough]

I think I get it it’s almost like the opposite

Because in passive, the thing which is being affected by something or someone else is actually also the subject

But in active it’s just literally flipped

[fallow ledge]

Like using the door example:

Ich schließe die Tür
Ich is the agent. Die Tür is the object

Case and these roles kinda dont always correspond 1-1, like in
Die Tür wird geschlossen

Die Tür is still the object and the thing who did it, the agent, is omitted

[swift bough]

I guess it was easy for me to mix up because of how the translations can be pretty much the same for „werden“ in both constructions

Yeah I get it

Thanks Blüwü

[fallow ledge]

No problem, a bit of a long side rant ignoring lovely Veens actual question. But im glad you understand now

[swift bough]

It just felt like I literally applied the same exact logic from passive to active because they translations are the same

The

For werden

Mostly with „getting“

Die Tür wird geschlossen = the door is getting closed (although being sounds best)
Sie wird krank = she’s getting sick

I guess because I know both describe an ongoing change of state I thought that they’re the same

[fallow ledge]

Yeah i see the confusion now

I can see the overlap with the continuous aspect

[dull gorge]

What’s the easiest thing to say in German?

[fallow ledge]

Hallo 🙋‍♀️

[dull gorge]

That means hello right?

[fallow ledge]

Exactly

[dull gorge]

If so hallo to you too!

Ich bin is all I know and idk what it means lol

[fallow ledge]

Thats „I am“

[dull gorge]

Oo

So if I were to introduce myself it would be “ich bin Jenna”?

[fallow ledge]

Yeah, ich heiße is an option too

[dull gorge]

That’s really cool

[fallow ledge]

Ahh thought of a thing to add too. Most passive constructions only with with transitive verbs if that helps

(Gonna ignore the es wird stuff here like: es wird hier nicht geraucht)

Transitive verbs have an object, like schließen, schlagen etc

Intransitive verbs include stuff like laufen, bleiben

*Ich laufe das Haus
What?
*ich bleibe das Haus

Both are intransitive since they sound real bad with an object following

*ich schlage
Wen schlägst du?

Transitive, since it seems incomplete without the object

*ich schließe
Was denn?
Also transitive

(There might be some usages in not familiar with like: im closing now (im closing the shop.) But thats the general feel)

[swift bough]

Makes sense. Obviously not all verbs make sense in the passive but I didn’t realize what they’re called because it’s either been so long or none of my teachers/professors used those terms. Or I just didn’t know what they were talking about xD

But I understand what you’re saying

I‘m actually gonna be tutoring a Buddy soon so it’s good to know more of these things

I appreciate it 👍

[fallow ledge]

Good stuff have fun

[shut briar]

Du wirst bald gesund

Is it future and sein at the end is implied

Or the other use like in es wird kalt

[untold ravine]

Hi! I have very basic question. Can I use "würden" as I do with "would" in English?

[shut briar]

Yup!

[untold ravine]

Oh thaaaaaanks! Now I can write much more things 😅

[alpine wharf]

can someone give me some tips on how to understand all these german verb conjugations and tenses???

Es überrascht nicht, dass yoko so etwas gesagt haben soll.
what is the usage of -soll- here?

[willow socket]

soll here is implying that it is rumored/reported that Yoko said something like that

[alpine wharf]

Oh now i get it thanks

[alpine wharf]

How about this one?

[willow socket]

Oh, for that I guess you should start with learning present tense conjugations and practice until you feel comfortable before moving on to other tenses?

But idk, I don't remember how I learned it anymore. Maybe someone knows a good method

[alpine wharf]

ok thanks

[spring socket]

Is there a difference between stämmig and untersetzt?

[ember dagger]

JA, ein riesiger.
Stämmig ist eine Person wenn sie etwas dicker ist.
Untersetz ist jedoch, wenn man beim fahrradfahren Bergab im ersten Gang fährt.

[spring socket]

Hmm, da bin ich nicht sicher, da der Beispielsatz lautet ,,der Sprecher war ein kleiner, untersetzter, älterer Mann"

[delicate tiger]

in the context of a fat person, no

[spring socket]

And both of them would sound idiomatic if I used them interchangeably?

[long whale]

Neither is used in spoken German (not to my knowledge, at least), I've only ever seen them used in novels. :)

[spring socket]

Ach so, der gleiche Fall wie bei ,,mustern", da es nicht beim Sprechen benutzt wird... good to know :) danks dir diggi, du bist sehr hilfreich

[long whale]

"diggi"? 👀

[spring socket]

Joa, ist einer meiner Lieblingswörter:)

[long whale]

Well, excuse me. I'm probably old enough to be your grandmother.

[swift bough]

Lmao

You usually only call people close to your own age that, xD

[swift bough]

Btw eines*

[spring socket]

Tschuldigung, wenn das Wort dir nicht gefällt - ich lieb es einfach, es macht viel Spaß, es zu nutzen 😄

[swift bough]

It’s also a generational thing, the word Digga

[spring socket]

Thanks!

[muted canopy]

Howdy

I have a question.

I'm trying to figure how to say this one specific phrase: "Welcome to work". I have three ideas as to what it may be:
Willkommen bei Arbeit
Willkommen in Arbeit, or
Willkommen Arbeit.

[long whale]

"Willkommen bei der Arbeit" might work. (Willkommen in Arbeit sounds as if "Arbeit" is the name of some town. And if you said "Willkommen**,** Arbeit" it sounds as if you're welcoming work.) :)

[muted canopy]

Haha

Thanks

[long whale]

BTW, we aren't big on using the word "Willkommen". :)

I mean, you'll see it in ads, and you'll hear it through the speakers on planes and maybe cruise ships. But face to face - I don't think I've ever used it in my life. :)

[muted canopy]

Oh wow

Understandable

[swift bough]

Yeah I also have never heard it in Germany from anyone who was actually directly talking to me or anyone else

[summer lake]

It’s more like a professional word. It isn’t used at a friendly based conversation

[uneven sparrow]

what is the article for grünspargel, bitte? x)

[chrome lichen]

der Grünspargel

[uneven sparrow]

die Grünspargeln?

[chrome lichen]

nein

die Grünspargel nur bei plural

[uneven sparrow]

oh! vielen dank!

[long whale]

Unless you're in Switzerland, it's usually "der grüne Spargel/grüner Spargel", and that would be used in plural. If it's just a single stem, you'd say "die Spargelstange" :)

[proven sphinx]

Huh, I didn't know that there was a difference there. TIL.

[charred ridge]

Hallo alle zusammen ich habe eine Frage,
Ich verstehe nicht Adjektiv Deklination mit bestimmter und unbestimmter Artikel im Plural also sind diese Sätze richtig ? Gibt es eine Regel ?

Ich lese interessante Bücher.
Ich lese keine interessanten Bücher.
Ich lese die interessanten Bücher.

[fallow jewel]

is the z pronounced like tz ?

[willow socket]

yes

[willow socket]

Deine Sätze sind richtig.
nom: die interessanten Bücher -- keine interessanten Bücher -- interessante Bücher
akk: die interessanten Bücher -- keine interessanten Bücher -- interessante Bücher
dat: den interessanten Büchern -- keinen interessanten Büchern -- interessanten Büchern
gen: der interessanten Bücher -- keiner interessanten Bücher -- interessanter Bücher

[slim yew]

does ähnlich always need to be at the ending

[fervent kernel]

Welcome to die TKML Ergänzung!

There's a particular order to placing words in a sentence. It should basically answer the questions: wann (temporal)? Warum (kausal)? Wie (modal)? Wo/hin/her (lokal)? In that particular order

But there's a few more rules and exceptions there. Imo it's too advanced for A1, so I'd suggest leaving it for later (just remember that temporal angabe (ie heute, gestern, nächstes Jahr) take either position 1 or 3 in a sentence)

[charred ridge]

Tausend Dank 🙏

[north blaze]

Hi - I've tried this worksheet for the Genitiv but also adapted the answers better for informal speech (eg. Dativ). Can you let me know if they're ok?

[willow socket]

the genitiv answer 'meines Bruders' is missing the 's', otherwise looks alright. Would probably write 'des Arztes' with an e

[north blaze]

Thank you - also these if you can

[willow socket]

you need to add an -s or an -es to masculine and neutrum nouns in genitiv: meines Freundes, deines Freundes, deines Mitbewohners, des Lehrers

Also: Ich weiß den Namen deines Freundes nicht
Ich bin auf die Feier von meinem Freund gegangen.

[north blaze]

Thanks what dictates whether I add an -s or -es?

[willow socket]

usually one syllable words ending in a consonant you add an -es

otherwise an s

[north blaze]

Thanks

[uneven sparrow]

ok so - Grünspargel it's used in Switzerland, got it! der grüne Spargel- germany! Vielen danke 🙂

[rich harbor]

Kann jemand mir helfen mit dem Übung bitte !

[long whale]

What exactly is it you don't understand? :)

[rich harbor]

what should i do exactly because i felt like i'm coping the first example for the rest of the excercice .

[long whale]

Do you understand what it says at the end of the arrows? 1. Zeile, 2. Zeile, etc?

[rich harbor]

Not really

[long whale]

1. Zeile:

Now tell me what it says there. :)

[rich harbor]

what, name the activity ?

the activity is laufen

[long whale]

Correct. Now, you choose an activity. :)

[rich harbor]

laufen is like the answer for the question ?

[long whale]

No. You need to write your own thing.

[rich harbor]

ah

[long whale]

Anything you really like doing? Or anything you really dislike/hate doing. :)

[rich harbor]

so it has to be related to laufen somehow

[long whale]

No!

[rich harbor]

because of the arrow right?

[long whale]

Just any activity. Come on. Tell me something you really like doing. You, Zinou. :)

[rich harbor]

deutschlernen xD

[long whale]

Mm... that's 2 words. Deutsch lernen. How many words are you allowed? (Hint: Says so in the line after the 1st arrow.)

[rich harbor]

ok let try schlafen

[long whale]

Great.

Now, what does it say next? 2. Zeile?

[rich harbor]

zeitpunkt

in der nacht

[long whale]

in der Nacht

Yes, that's 3 words, but okay. :)

Next?

[rich harbor]

where or what , name the place ok: im Garten

[long whale]

Okay...

Next?

[rich harbor]

end with two words maybe? i don't get the last one

[long whale]

We are now in line 4.

What does it say for 4. Zeile?

[rich harbor]

ah

ja ich mache das mit meinem Katze

[long whale]

"mein..." needs a different ending. Since it's "die Katze"

[rich harbor]

meiner

[long whale]

Okay. And you need 4 words, not 3, so, add something else. Like "always" (in German, of course)

[rich harbor]

immer mit meiner Katze !

[long whale]

Brilliant.

Now, for the last line: how does it feel? Sleeping in the garden with your cat?

Just 2 words, remember.

[rich harbor]

eingentlich wunderbar !

[long whale]

eigentlich (no -n- after ei-)

There you go.

Now you can put your poem together. :)

[rich harbor]

schlafen - am Sonntag - im Garten - immer mit meiner Katze - eigentlich wunderbar.

how can i put it together xD

[long whale]

Look at the examples. Spelling for the activity?

1st word?

[rich harbor]

i mean as peom i think i have a different definition of a peom in my head

should i connect them like a little text?

[long whale]

It's supposed to be a non-boring activity. NO!

Your poem, whether you like it or not, is supposed to look like the example

[rich harbor]

ah i think i got it wait

[long whale]

But you must mind the spelling. The first word must start with a capital letter.

[long whale]

No.

It's supposed to LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE EXAMPLE. :)

I mean, you can do whatever you want.

You wanted help with the exercise, I think you got it, right? :D

[rich harbor]

Zeil 1 : Was ? Nennen Sie die Aktivität ( Schlafen ) ..... like that ?

[long whale]

No. Like the example in the box:

Laufen

[rich harbor]

ahhh

ja i got it

[long whale]

Maybe it's not your idea of what a poem should look/be like, but it's your teacher's, okay?

[rich harbor]

I took a lot of your time thanks i really appreciate your help !

[rich harbor]

ya i see, but i'm studying alone!

[long whale]

Okay, so, it's the book's idea of a poem. 😹

[rich harbor]

Yep

[long whale]

You could read it to your cat, now. ;)