questions-2

[signal cipher]

Hmmm 🤔

Sich winken, zu sich winken

Wave to yourself. Wave for someone to come to you

Okay gibt es Unterschied

Aber er ist nicht so klar

Danke schön argus

[errant quest]

sich selbst zuwinken = to wave/raise your hand in a greeting to yourself ; jemanden zu sich (her)winken = to wave/gesture someone to come towards you

in isolierter Anwendung wäre es jemandem(=Dativ)/etwas zuwinken = to wave at someone/something

[signal cipher]

Danke schön

[fervent kernel]

Wird „Ich bin Zuhause“ häufig verwendet und ist richtig, wenn man sagt, dass man zuhause ist?

Oder gibt es keinen Unterschied zwischen „Ich bin Zuhause“, „...zu Hause“ und „Ich bin zuhause“?

Ich frage das, weil ich diese Korrektur bekommen habe.

Ich habe ursprünglich diesen Satz geschrieben: Seit ein paar Stunden bin ich zu Hause angekommen.

Diese Thema habe ich gar nicht auswendig gelernt, 😅 deshalb bin ich verwirrt.

[delicate tiger]

adverb: "zu Hause" or "zuhause"
noun: "das Zuhause"
"Seit ... angekommen" passt nicht wirklich zusammen

[night dagger]

vor statt seit

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön!

[fervent kernel]

🗒️ danke.

[lofty comet]

Guten Tag Leute hier gibt es eine Frage:

1. Nachdem ich gefrühstückt hatte, habe ich die Hausaufgaben gemacht.
   2.Nachdem ich gefrühstückt habe, mache ich die Hausaufgaben.
   Also was ist der Unterschied zwischen diesen Sätzen??

Mein Begriff ist, dass der erste Satz bedeutet: ich habe zuerst gefrühstückt dann habe ich die Hausaufgaben gemacht. Die beide sind fertig gemacht.
Der zweite Satz bedeutet, dass ich zuerst gefrühstückt habe, danach mache ich zuerst die Hausaufgaben.

Ist meine Idee richtig?🥲

[willow socket]

mehr oder weniger, ja. Der erste Satz ist in der Vergangenheit (Plusquamperfekt + Perfekt). Der zweite Satz beschreibt die Gegenwart bzw. die Zukunft (Perfekt + Gegenwart).

[lofty comet]

Vielen Dank für deine Antwort! Ich habe vollständig verstanden! Jedoch möchte ich konkret wissen, wie man richtig "nachdem" verwendet.

[willow socket]

wie meinst du. Beide Beispiele sind richtig

nachdem + das, was vorher passiert ist/passieren muss, das was danach passiert/passieren wird

Nachdem ich das Buch gekauft hatte/habe, habe ich es gelesen.
Ich habe das Buch gekauft, dann habe ich es gelesen.

[lofty comet]

Vielen Dank einen schönen Tag 🫡

[lofty comet]

Ja sie haben dieselbe Bedeutung.

Alles klar

[atomic quarry]

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[wispy yarrow]

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[stoic mauve]

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[atomic quarry]

danke schön

[fervent kernel]

Hallo. Wo kann ich Zeigentrickfilme im Deutsch finden? Ich will Cartoon Network Zeigentrickfilme ( Ed Edd n Eddy , Dexters ) fernsehen.

[delicate tiger]

Du kannst z.B. auf https://www.werstreamt.es/serie/details/232964/dexters-labor/ gucken

[plush pelican]

Auf Netflix, wenn du ein Abo hast

[steel cosmos]

Is there an easy way to remember the meaning of trennbare und untrennbare Verben?

[fervent kernel]

trennbare Verben = separable Verbs
untrennbare Verben = inseparable Verbs

Trennbare Verben are verbs with seperable prefixes—ones that you'd put the prefix at the end of the sentence when conjugated, and has an easy pattern to remember when you conjugate them in Plusquam/Perfektform (I'd argue it's the same for untrennbare Verben though, but to each their own).

Z.B...

• aufstehen (trennbares Verb)
• Ich stehe jeden Morgen früh auf.
• Ich bin heute Morgen früh aufgestanden.

Untrennbare Verben have prefixes that…well, are not separable.
Z.B...

• bestehen (untrennbares Verb)
• Ich bestehe sicher die Prüfung.
• Ich habe die Prüfung besteht.

Here's a link so you'd familiarise yourself more with prefixes of Verbs that are either seperable or not: https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/verbs/separable-verbs#:~:text=Prefixes that are separable are,verb is separable or not.

Also please don't ask the same question twice on different channel.

[steel cosmos]

Thanks for your reply and help me, but I know these information, I asked for remember the meaning of trennbare und untrennbare Verben because I see Alot of meaning for one verb like Ausmachen and aufmachen like that for every verb

[steel cosmos]

Thank you for inform me.

[fervent kernel]

Okay, so you rather meant to ask how certain separable prefixes affect the meaning of the verb?

Which would be different compare to your initial question, if ever…

[steel cosmos]

I talk about everytime how to remember the meaning of the verbs like what I mean,
Before I watch video for prifaxs with machen verb like ausmachen, aufmachen, anmachen, zumachen, and I understand that but after days I forget all of them and which one close or open for things or equipment forget anything, like that for all verb

[night dagger]

Do a mind map for each and then use anki to retain.

[steel cosmos]

Can you explain to me how to do that or give me a example here or private as you like

[plain umbra]

I think the most common approach people take is just to treat them as totally separate verbs, instead of trying to connect them together.

And make sure you are learning these words in context rather than purely from flashcards.

[steel cosmos]

Thanks for your reply, can you explain to me how exactly what I do for remember and learn it? If you have method, don't hesitate to tell me.

[plain umbra]

I don't use any specific method. I just learn what the word means and then I memorise it by using it or reading texts with the word or listening to German audio with the word. If it's a common word, like most of these examples, you will see it a lot.

Maybe instead of memorising the words, you can memorise a full sentence?

Like memorise "Ich mache das Licht an." and what it means, instead of just "anmachen".

You could also do the old method where you tape a label next to items in your house with the name for the object. Which in this case would be to put something like "Licht anmachen" and "Licht ausmachen" above/below the switch in the corresponding positions.

[steel cosmos]

Danke schön für Beratung

[fervent kernel]

Welchen geheimen Zauberspruch muss ich kennen, um der, die, das endlich zu meistern?

[delicate tiger]

Du musst den Artikel mit jedem Wort zusammen lernen, die "Regeln"/Tendenzen haben einfach zu viele Ausnahmen.

[signal cipher]

Das ist ein großes Problem, weil ich die Wörter aus Bücher lerne.

[charred harbor]

aus Büchern*

[jolly steppe]

warum mit n? die korrekte Schreibweise ist nicht Bücher?

[plush pelican]

aus + Dativ

Beim Sonderfall (Dativ, Plural) muss man ein -n zum Nomen hinzufügen, wenn das möglich ist.

mit dem Mann
mit den Männern

mit dem Buch
mit den Büchern

"Bücher" wäre richtig für Nominativ, Akkusativ, oder Genitiv

aber bei (Dativ, Plural) muss man diese besondere Regel beachten.

[jolly steppe]

oh ja ja ja

Jetzt verstehe ich

Danke

[hushed dawn]

Auf jemanden stehen

Benutzt man den Ausdruck auch für Sachen wie Musik/Schokolade usw. ?

[plush pelican]

ja, anscheinend: https://www.dwds.de/wb/stehen#d-1-17

[whole portal]

I'd say this is definitely rarer though

[plain rapids]

Ja,man kann auf alles Mögliche stehen, Musikrichtung, bestimmte von Art von Kleidung usw.
Allerdings würde ich es mit Vorsicht verwenden.

[night dagger]

naja, ist es nicht einfach so eine Skala?

find sie nett
sie gefällt mir
sie mag ich
ich steh auf sie
in sie bin ich verknallt
Ich lieb sie

[dawn oxide]

Auf jmd stehen hört sich für mich immer eher körperlich an, mögen eher emotional

[night dagger]

guter Punkt

[flint nimbus]

hello! I recently learned that some adjectives control dative. For example it's not Das war ich schon bewusst, but "Das war mir schon bewusst". I would like to find a comprehensive or structural analysis of this phenomena, as well as preferrably a list of most of the common examples of this, as well as adjectives that control the other cases too. Does anyone have good sources? here's a better explanation of the phenomena in case my explanation wasn't clear https://learngerman.dw.com/en/adjectives-that-govern-case/l-61214422/gr-61769983

[plain umbra]

I would not say that specific adjectives govern the dative case. I think this is just a way that they are trying to simplify it for learners.

Basically, you sometimes need to use dative with an adjective in certain contexts where you're describing how something is impacting you.

You can usually think of it as if you were using "to me" in the sentence in English.

[flint nimbus]

ok, thanks!

[plain umbra]

Like a simple example:
Ich bin langweilig. = I am boring.
Mir ist langweilig. = I am bored. (It is boring to me.)

This shows how the case is not required for the adjective, but it changes the implication of the sentence.

But it's fine to memorise these as being associated with dative, as an easy way to remember it. You don't necessarily need to fully understand the reasoning for why it's like that.

[flint nimbus]

and das ist mir langweilig i assume works too, then

how about ackusative and genetive? Like in
Die Insel ist einen Kilometer
Es war einen Versuch wert

Das Wattenmeer ist voll ekliger Würmer.

[plush pelican]

I mean, that's how Hammer's German Grammar describes it

[flint nimbus]

so that's from that book?

[plush pelican]

from Hammer's German Grammar, yes

[flint nimbus]

damn, that's fantastic

[viral flint]

Ohh that’s so difficult I need to learn this too

[dawn oxide]

Das ist mir langweilig doesn't work
You need to add "lang" after Kilometer

[plain umbra]

I find it a bit weird to use the phrasing that a specific word "governs" a specific case, to mean simply that it can be used with the case for a specific meaning. They seem like different things to me.

[flint nimbus]

oh sorry i missed that for the second one, it was supposed to be there

[plush pelican]

What does "governing a case" mean to you?

[plain umbra]

Like for example, the preposition "mit" governs the dative case, because dative is the required case to be used with that preposition. There's not really an alternative and it can't be used by itself.

[plush pelican]

So the issue is that you think "governing a case" should imply that the noun in that case must be added?

What about with verbs that can have an object or not?

Ich esse
Ich esse die Schokolade.

[plain umbra]

Not necessarily that it must be added, but that there is a strong obligatory connection between the two grammatical parts.

But I guess the idea is that the adjectives in these situations are being treated like adpositions.

[plain umbra]

I looked it up. It seems like there are multiple definitions of linguistic government, so maybe that's the issue. The traditional definition is that only verbs and adpositions govern cases, but there are also more general/broad definitions.

[plush pelican]

I found this wiki page in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_(linguistics)

and then switched to the German version: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rektion

and found this:

[plush pelican]

well, you've pipped me to the post 😅

The German page seems to distinguish between "just verbs governing something" versus also "prepositions or adjectives governing something"

and says that the latter is "generally recognized", but not uniformly

and it talks about other edge cases, like a verb governing a prepositional object (auf jdn. warten)

What do you call it when it's not "governing", but the word optionally has a complement that must be in a certain case?

[plain umbra]

I don't know if there is a word for that, but I also don't know if in this scenario, the noun is a complement of the adjective.

[plain umbra]

But if we think about it like this example, then maybe it's as simple as saying that the verb phrase e.g. "peinlich sein" is what governs the case, rather than the adjective alone.

[plush pelican]

I mean, in the German wikipedia article, it calls it a "Genitiv-Ergänzung" (genitive complement)

[plush pelican]

I've thought about that, except that for at least some of these, there are multiple different verbs it can be used with

[plain umbra]

I don't know how the terms compare between English and German. But in English, this way of using the term complement is (as far as I know) not typical.

[plain umbra]

Which verbs? Of course there is both sein and werden, but I think it's fair to treat them as equivalent for this purpose.

[plush pelican]

for example

[plain umbra]

I also don't see why having multiple verbs that are possible would be an argument against it.

[plush pelican]

I mean, if you can do it with multiple verbs and the key thing is not the verb, but rather the adjective...then the adjective is the thing that's actually wearing the pants in the relationship, no? the one "governing" the case 😅

[plain umbra]

I don't agree. Like why would it be wrong to say "satt sein" and "satt haben" are just two separate verb phrases which function the same?

It's no different than saying that both essen and trinken govern the accusative, despite being different verbs.

[weak mountain]

Had a question about the Goethe b1 exam, there are 65 minutes given to Lesen, and in Lesen there are 5 Teils. My question is whether the time is divided into these teils too, For example, you only get 10 minutes for the first teil, 20 for the second and so on. If yes, will i not be able to go back and change an answer or attempt a question i left again?

[plush pelican]

There's a practice B1 exam on the Goethe website, you can see exactly how things are divided up

https://bfu.goethe.de/b1_mod/index.php
https://www.goethe.de/ins/mm/de/spr/prf/gzb1/ueb.html

[rich prism]

You spend on each one the time you want

All the questions come in one booklet

the time they put there is just a suggestion

[weak mountain]

Thank you very much!!

[teal cliff]

das ist mir langweilig sounds rather odd

[charred harbor]

“Die Insel ist einen Kilometer” sounds weird for me as well, it’s pretty vague

[plain rapids]

Ja, kann man so sagen👍🏻

[flint nimbus]

that's great! Are there more cefr test/practice exams online?

[shell ledge]

du hast immer eine ausrede parat
is diser satz rechtig

[dawn oxide]

ja, aber nicht der zweite 😆 *Ist dieser Satz richtig?

und Ausrede groß schreiben

[delicate tiger]

upper case not optional, typos

[shell ledge]

😆 danke

[fervent kernel]

why is german more difficult to learn than dutch?

[plush pelican]

Dutch doesn't really have cases anymore, which makes for example adjective declension much easier.

[charred harbor]

Probably also worth adding that Dutch has effectively been reduced to 2 genders whereas German is very strict about having 3

[random galleon]

I'm on summer break and was wondering if anyone one had good ways to practice what I already know and learn some new things? any tips and ect I am grateful for thanks

[plush pelican]

Step 1: Are you writing sentences in German each day?

The subreddit r/WriteStreakGerman allows you to post once per day and get it corrected by natives (may take several days to get corrected, since it's all volunteer)

Step 2: Anki app for vocabulary, there are pre-made decks for German, go to the #botchannel and do >faq anki

[whole portal]

get a german gf/bf

then only speak to them in German :p

[plush pelican]

Step 3: listening; there are podcasts for learners, like "Slow German mit Annik Rubens" or "Coffee Break German" or "14 Minuten Deutsch" (probably will be quite hard starting out, just keep at it)

[random galleon]

No but I'll make sure to check out that subreddit!
And I didnt know that we had a >faq anki thxs
And I am already listening to podcasts

[plush pelican]

Dict.cc for looking up words

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-heißen.html
for verb conjugation

also check out the google doc in #resources

[random galleon]

I have no rizz 💔 also I have no desire to date yet

[whole portal]

dw me neither

[limpid edge]

Can nicken mean to smile? I’m reading this book that has parallel translations and it translated the sentence „Die Frau des Kritikers nickte teilnahmsvoll“ as „the critics wife smiled sympathetically“. I thought nicken was to nod?

Or is this just more of a vibe based translation? Seems odd since you can also nod sympathetically in English

[night dagger]

more so nodding with compassion or understanding

[limpid edge]

But definitely nodding and not smiling right?

[delicate tiger]

vibe based translation
✅

[void plank]

what does schon mean?, cause it supposedly means beautiful but i see it used in alot of sentence that wouldnt make sense for it to mean beautiful in

[delicate tiger]

"schon" is not "schön"!

[void plank]

oh that makes sense, what does the one with no dots mean

[limpid edge]

One more question from the same book. Can da- words be used even before the thing they are referencing is mentioned?? It seems weird to me but the book has a sentence that reads:

„Sie konnte nicht sagen, da ihr Mann mit einem Freund von Max Frisch verabredet war, der dafür bekannt war, so lustvoll über eigene Pläne zu sprechen, dass ein Ende nicht abzusehen war.“

That dafür, I think is referencing the friends tendency to be excited about talking about his own plans. It tripped me up a bit though since I thought da-words could only reference things that had previously been mentioned.

If this isn’t the case lmk and I’ll update my mental grammar book lol

[delicate tiger]

aou/äöü are basically different letters
If you can't type them (easily), use ae/oe/ue
try a dictionary like https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/schön

[void plank]

okii! is schon like before?

[delicate tiger]

check for typos in the German text, either "nicht->nichts" or "da->dass"

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/schon

[void plank]

oh sorry thank you

[limpid edge]

It seems like the original text has nicht and da. Though I did leave out a clause because I didn’t want to type it all out on my phone lol. The full sentence is:

„Bevor der [Besucher] trank, wollte er wissen, wann die Frau des Kritikers ihren Mann zurückerwarte, das konnte sie nicht sagen, da ihr Mann mit einem Freund von Max Frisch verabredet war, der dafür bekannt war, so lustvoll über eigene Pläne zu sprechen, dass ein Ende nicht abzusehen war.“

[delicate tiger]

that works. "da" is a synonym for "weil" here

[dawn oxide]

Yea that's normal, you can use dafür like that

[vernal ermine]

Guten Tag Freunde!

Welche Bücher sind gut um B2 Niveau zu lernen?

[night dagger]

Aspekte B2 🔥

Grammatik Aktiv auch

[vernal ermine]

@night dagger Danke schön

[teal badge]

Kennt jemand tutoring für der mittlerer Reife Schulabschluss?

[fleet crescent]

Hallo

[jolly steppe]

can someone explain why the number2's answer is Tagen? meanwhile the number4's Woche is not wochen? im confused

[idle gyro]

Number 2 is plural number 4 is singular
That's why "Tage" bekomme "Tagen" and "Woche" bekomme just "woche"

[jolly steppe]

but why the erste become ersten? why not der erste woche

[idle gyro]

Wir haben " in " Dativ

[rich prism]

Dative plural adds an 'n' to the end. Number 4 is Singular, so no N ist added.

die Tage - den Tagen (plural)
die Woche- der Woche (feminine singular)

[rich prism]

Because its still dative case, and that's how it's declined

[jolly steppe]

but why does number2 is still freien? in dativ plural's declination, its adjective +n right? why not meinen freienen tagen

[rich prism]

the base adjective is frei, not freien

[jolly steppe]

ach so

ok vielen dank 💁‍♀️💗

[limpid edge]

Could I recruit someone to look over the short email I posted for correction in the #writing channel? It’s really not too long and I would really appreciate it! ❤️

[night dagger]

faq corrections

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. Try >explain all.

[night dagger]

if its less than like 150 words you can just post it here

[limpid edge]

Sweeeeet! I’ll post it in a sec

Im still very much a beginner so I’m mainly just concerned about the tone and making sure it’s not impolite. I don’t necessarily want it to be perfect since I don’t want to convey the idea that I’m fluent

Hallo
Ich heiße [KarlosMarx69] und komme aus den USA. Ich lerne aktuell Deutsch, also entschuldigen Sie bitte die Schreibfehler! Ich stottere auch und gehöre bei einer
Stotterer-Selbsthilfgruppe. Die heißt NSA.

Ich möchte wissen, ob jemand aus Ihrer Organisation Englisch üben möchte. Ich weiß, dass es schwierig ist, eine Fremdsprache zu üben, wenn man einen Stottern hat. Ein Sprachaustausch zwischen stotternden Menschen kann dafür sehr hilfreich sein, weil es weniger Angst gibt. Wenn Sie jemanden kennen, der Englisch üben will, lassen Sie es mich bitte wissen.

Alternativ dazu, wenn Sie eine andere Organisation kennen, die mir helfen könnte, lassen Sie es mich bitte auch wissen.

Ich freue mich auf Ihre Antwort und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre Hilfe.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

[KarlosMarx69]

[night dagger]

• gehöre zu
• wenn man stottert

those two corrections i would add but besides that its great.

if you want it to be more in the german format, write it like this

Hallo,

ich heiße ...

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Karlos

You could also just open up with a "ich hoffe, Ihnen geht es gut" or similar

[limpid edge]

Great! Thank you so much for the info! Bei always trips me up so I’m not shocked I misused it lol

[night dagger]

great job

:)

[limpid edge]

Thanks! 🙏

[jolly steppe]

1. eines faktors des erfolgs ist viel lernen
2. ein faktor des erfolgs ist viel lernen

welches ist richtig?

[plush pelican]

When one noun possesses the other, only one of the nouns is in genitive case.

Specifically, the possessor is the one in genitive case

Der Hund des Mannes ist nett.
The man's dog is nice.

The man is the possessor.
The dog is the possessed.

"des Mannes" is in genitive case and after the thing that it is possessing.

"der Hund" here is simply in nominative case.

Why nominative? Because it's the subject. Imagine the sentence without the possessor:

Der Hund ist nett.
The dog is nice.

We could also have another sentence where the possessed thing is an object in accusative case:

Ich sehe den Hund.
I see the dog.

Ich sehe den Hund des Mannes.
I see the man's dog.

So:

• The possessed noun (den Hund) takes the case it needs to have as a subject or object or whatever role it plays in the sentence.

• The possessor noun (des Mannes) is in genitive case and follows the possessed noun.

[jolly steppe]

vielen dank

[tiny robin]

Out of curiosity, do you do this really? I do have stuttering in language i am using even English

[limpid edge]

I do! I stutter in every language I speak haha

[tiny robin]

Me too lol

[woven tendon]

Hello, I'm very beginner and just starting learning german, but I'm wondering if the sounds are consistent with writing, or do the pronunciation change?

[drowsy vapor]

It's very consistent with writing. Unlike English, German is a highly phonetic language. So if you know what sound each letter makes, you should be able to pretty much spell every word.

[woven tendon]

Wow, That's GREAT, thanks

Also Why do you not pronounce the "r" in "Guten Morgen"?

[drowsy vapor]

You do

But probably not just as hard as other word

[woven tendon]

Umm.. my book marks it like a vowel rathe than a consonant

/gúutennn móoaguennn/

[drowsy vapor]

Yeah, I can't read that 😅

[woven tendon]

Nor can I

[woven tendon]

What other word could it sound harder?

[drowsy vapor]

Maybe not harder but more clearer perhaps? Like words starting with r like "rot"

If the r weren't in "Morgen" it would be pronounced as "Mogen." Usually or probably all the time, if the r follows after a vowel, it isn't pronounced as strong as you might expect.

[woven tendon]

Oh, so that was the rule

[drowsy vapor]

I would compare the pronounciation similar to the word "or." In that word, you don't exactly hear the r, but you know it's there

[woven tendon]

I can hear it clearer than in morgen. I'm afraid

Maybe if we compare it with the English from the UK

[drowsy vapor]

There are probably dialects or people who pronounced the r more, but I don't. English isn't my first language, maybe I'm not fully pronouncing "or" correctly 😅

[woven tendon]

It's okay, I understand you.
The thing is that English from the USA pronounce the "r" more but yeah your comparations it's okay

English isn't mine either

Same thing with r in "der" then right?

[drowsy vapor]

Yup

[woven tendon]

How can you pronounce the R in "Groß"?

[drowsy vapor]

Unlike the previous one, this r you can hear clearer. It's pretty much pronounced the same as what the sound the letter produces

[woven tendon]

Gotcha

[ruby sierra]

Um guten tag, im a beginner is this sentence good? "Du Bekommst mein Pinsel

[nova sparrow]

You could say: Du bekommst meinen Pinsel

[ruby sierra]

Danke schön

[whole portal]

As already said it depends on the dialect and speaker but the r often gets reduced to a tiefschwa sound after vowels, especially long ones

[night dagger]

it’s not a schwa tho

just a vocalized r

[whole portal]

Guten moɐgen is definitely a thing

[night dagger]

right, but it can’t be a schwa tho cus Schwas are never stressed

[whole portal]

Tiefschwa not schwa

[night dagger]

its still a schwa, so it can't be stressed, afaik, but i never studied germanistik 😄

[gusty silo]

this is not so

crosslinguistically it's complete hogwash, it's only worthwhile as an observation in the major western european languages with it, but moreover this has nothing to do with schwa glides in diphthongs

[teal cliff]

[moɐŋ] so sag ich's

[night dagger]

we're talking about german here right

[teal cliff]

Das macht keinen Sinn

[gusty silo]

yeah but german has tiefschwa as an offglide in stressed syllables just fine, contrary to what you're insinuating

the other part of my comment is that 'schwa is never stressed' is not a very useful phrase for how often it gets repeated and ive seen it readily mislead people into thinking this is some feature of schwas rather than a feature of the specific language systems

[night dagger]

i see

[gusty silo]

descriptively and narrowly, [ˈmɔɐ̯gŋ̍] is the platonic ideal of how people say the word in standard german, this is the norm pronunciation

[night dagger]

i stand corrected; thank you. i checked a Duden book i have regarding pronunciation and this is what i found which is interesting

so it is as i thought, a vocalized r, but its also referred to being a Tief-Schwa

[gusty silo]

mhm. im not really convinced it's common (anymore?) to have a distinct quality for vocalised r that's separate from both [ə] and [a] to be honest, but that's irrelevant to almost everything except narrow phonetics
(i.e. i think people generally pronounce vocalised r / tiefschwa the same as a or, after high vowels, ə)

i do know there are a few stipulations about differences in quality out there, e.g. i've also seen a paper say that the vocalised r is supposedly different heights depending on the length of the preceding vowel, rather than, as i think, the height of the vowel

what should be true is what yoshi hinted at with r occasionally being realised consonantally as [ʁ] after (stressed) short vowels as a minor variant

but these are all details that are generally ignored for most mortals' convenience and understandably so

[whole portal]

I think I disagree since it definitely stands out in Dialects like Berlinerisch where it's just pronounced as an a.

[gusty silo]

yeah thats a very fair objection, i have wondered about this a lot as well

[night dagger]

true

vatta mutta

[gusty silo]

i cant claim with confidence i distinguish unstressed -er and unstressed -a, but it does sometimes stand out to me when people have a really open pronunciation of -er

so my guess is that maybe i just pronounce both -a and -er as [ɐ] in height (it would be natural to not open your mouth as far in unstressed syllables after all) 🤔 but i'd have to measure this eventually

[night dagger]

me too, because i used to do it myself 😄

[teal cliff]

Interesting, lol. I don't distinguish er and a in any place actually I think

Literally every er becomes a

[gusty silo]

as i said, i dont think i do either

[teal cliff]

Oh I thought you said you do distinguish them

[gusty silo]

the intention was that i doubt i do, but its ambiguously phrased

[teal cliff]

I guess that makes sense

[teal cliff]

I cant think of a word with a stressed er right know

[gusty silo]

i think i have merged them, just maybe to a marginally less open value than some other individual speakers so those stand out to me

[gusty silo]

stressed er doesnt behave like unstressed er of course

you wont be vocalising stressed er to a, because theres a full vowel there, not a reduced one

[teal cliff]

Can you give me an example word lol, my dialect is really extreme W it, in standard German I obviously wouldn't do that but ya know

[gusty silo]

(superficial exceptions for dialects with er->ar like low german or southern(?) parts of the central west that say Barg for Berg)

[teal cliff]

yea but then also berg becomes the plural

Well Berge in standard right

[gusty silo]

mhm

[teal cliff]

so that makes sense

Hawara is maeinge stondad is echd nimma is greane vam oa

[gusty silo]

which to be clear in those dialects its unconnected to r vocalisation. you can find [bark] with a pronounced alveolar r just fine

[teal cliff]

Wait what is greane Wos lawad i

Lmao

is göwe

[gusty silo]

lmaooo

[teal cliff]

ich hab kein final devoicing, aber sonst würds stimmen

[gusty silo]

sogst ma owa schon bescheid waundst wos greanes in deim Aa findst, gö?

[teal cliff]

i hoffads dasi koani greanen Oa im maim Lem jemois daluaga wia

scheiß af d’maenige Auto Korrektur Hawara sis zaach

[teal cliff]

Du bist koa estarraecha ned, Goi? bois I mi richtig darinnar

[gusty silo]

richti, bin i kaana, i red nur da Solidarität weng grod so mit dir

schimpf mi ruahig, wauns schiach zlesen is

zlesen
vamuatlich direkt a Föhler gseng, <zuam lesen> ?

[teal cliff]

des hod bassd

Schiach z’lesa

[gusty silo]

na guat

[teal cliff]

Schiach zan lesa gäd aa...

Zuam hone nu nia ned dsoad

Guad megli dassmas aso song duad ba d’weana

[gusty silo]

ill just break into english again to make the convo comprehensible again: one thing i never know with upper german dialects is how well you keep ua ia in unstressed syllables

(function words and such)

[teal cliff]

hmm?

I would need an example of this lol

[gusty silo]

like whether you keep etymological tsuə as zua or do zu

[teal cliff]

Oh yea zua

[gusty silo]

or the affix -tum (Reichtum etc), if you say -tuam or not

[teal cliff]

d’diar is zua

die tür ist zu

[gusty silo]

ah okay

[teal cliff]

nope, I don't think I do that one

I think my aunt does tho, I am from the city after all

Well Stadtrand

But ya know

Not vollmundart sadly

[gusty silo]

mhm

[teal cliff]

I also feel like those words might not be common enough to still have a Bavarian equivalent where I live

sadly lol

[woven tendon]

Oh, tiefschwa was the term.
Thanks, I found more explanations within this

[woven tendon]

But that merging is just for 'er' and 'a' or for most 'vowel+r' ending?

[gusty silo]

unstressed er and a, not all unstressed vowel + r and a

[woven tendon]

I see

[gusty silo]

(a few rare colloquialisms like pronouncing Doktor as Dokter notwithstanding)

[woven tendon]

Oh yeah, I got it now

Btw, low and high german, which on is the standard?

[gusty silo]

the standard is a high german form, and usually also called 'high german' itself

[whole portal]

(When talking about it in the context of high/low/middle dialects, it's referred to as standard german tho usually to avoid confusion)

[teal cliff]

auch das mach ich lmao

[woven tendon]

Middle German? That one has features of each one, right?

[whole portal]

Mhh not exactly

middle german is part of the high german language family but still quite distinctive from the upper german dialects spoken further south

Standard German writing has strong influences from the middle German areas 7 and 8 here because that is where Martin Luther came from

(But note that we're talking about historical dialects in this context since luther lived 500 years ago)

[woven tendon]

Yeah, but it's good to know the reason of the things

And thanks too

By the way, do all vowels get a long sound when they're followed by "H"? Like in "Stuhl"

[nova sparrow]

At least most do, but I'm no linguist to tell a rule for that. I think there's even a name for it: Dehnungs-H.
nah -> near
eh (the shortened ehe) for example

[gusty silo]

if so you see a vowel followed by h, you can assume it to be long and the h silent, compounds aside
but of course the opposite does not hold, not all long vowels are written as vowel+h

this comes from words that did have a h there historically which became silent due to sound change, and was analogically extended to some other words that did not have an original h, but it did not get systematised to all long vowels

[fervent kernel]

When you want to still someone to go ahead or please continue or carry on, would you Fähr mal bitte fort / Fahren Sie bitte fort or something else?

[fervent kernel]

Please ping btw if you answer this

In general. That’s why I put both. I just want to know if that’s the right verb.

Ty

[woven tendon]

So, like not all longs vowel are represented by "vowel + H" but all "vowel + H" are a long vowel

Thanks

[hushed hedge]

what is the differences between ´´möglich`` and ´´brauchen"?

[full socket]

possible (adjective) <-> to need (verb)

In a nutshell... everything. Not only the meaning, but even the basic word category.

[jolly steppe]

meine Mutter war die klügste Schülerin in der Klasse

why we use "in der klasse"?
why not in die klasse

[plush pelican]

"in der Klasse" is dative case.

Have you learned about cases yet?

[jolly steppe]

yes, but why we muss use dativ? why not use akkusativ

[plush pelican]

Have you learned about two-way prepositions yet? "in" is a two-way preposition

https://youtu.be/auWRmuw_AcY?si=1kjLwFxWiIB70v_D

"in die Klasse" would be used if there is movement heading from outside of the classroom and into the classroom.

"in der Klasse" is more like a static location that doesn't change

[unique falcon]

Because there's no movement or a change of state/position

[calm onyx]

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, (should there be a comma at the end ?)

even to Viele liebe grusse , Sehr geehrte Frau Name, Liebe Name ,

should here be a comma at the end of those

[dense obsidian]

No. https://www.din-5008-richtlinien.de/startseite/grussformel/

[versed wasp]

ich hab eine kleine frage. ich lerne seit mehr als zwei jahren deutsch aber ich schreibe leider selten deutsch. i will wissen, ob gibt es ein discord Server, whatsapp gruppe, webseite, oder irgendwelche App, wo ich mit mutterschprachlern chatten kann.

[dawn oxide]

du kannst doch einfach in #german-only mitchatten, da sind immer viele Muttersprachler und viele, die aufm B2-C2 Level sind

[versed wasp]

ach ja, hab ich schon versucht. das ist eine sehr active und dynamische gruppe

muss ich ehrlich sein

aber ich suche etwas ein bisschen ruhiger

wenn du weisst, was ich meine

es gibt chaos da

[teal cliff]

Auf kleineren Servern vielleicht

Aber ist ja egal, oder?

es sind nicht immer 10 Menschen im gleichen Chat

[dawn oxide]

hmm ja

[versed wasp]

weisst du einen ?!

[teal cliff]

Ich bin auf keinen deutsch lern Servern

Außer dem hier

Mainly wegen #dialects

XD

[dawn oxide]

könntest es auch bei kleinen deutschen Twitchstreamern versuchen, einfach in deren Chats schreiben

[teal cliff]

Wahr

[versed wasp]

Muttersprachlern sind immer willkommen

es freut mich, dass du da bist

[teal cliff]

Ich hab das server Maximum von discord schon ausgereizt und bin lieber auf Servern von den sprachen die ich selber lern

[dawn oxide]

@versed wasp versuch's mal bei twitch^

[versed wasp]

ehrlich gesagt, hab noch nie twitch benutzt, aber ich lade jetzt die app runter. gib mir 5 minuten

done

[limpid edge]

Can aufheben be used to mean to take care (of something)? I looked it up on LEO and it doesn’t give that as a possible definition but I swear the sentence I found it in means that!

The sentence goes: Ich möchte, dass [das Buch] gut aufgehoben ist, bis ich es wieder abhole.

[limpid edge]

Ahhh so it’s not really used as a verb here then right?

More like an adjective or adverb?

[short raven]

Nein. Das folgende H muß sich auf den Vokal beziehen, und nicht etwa einer anderen Silbe angehören,
Beispiele: Tomahawk Toma=hawk
Kohleherd Kohle=herd; Seehafen See=hafen

[warm zinc]

Can anybody send me a guide on sentence structure plz

[plush pelican]

Basics: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKCEuz6wxDQkpEHEB85W2jlJzbStuBMft

Full neutral word order: #questions message

[warm zinc]

Danke

[woven tendon]

Oh, interesting exception
Thanks rubberi

[valid dome]

Kanns du die ganze liste schicken das sieht interessant aus

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/gut aufgehoben

[valid dome]

Danke sehr

[short raven]

Yes, it can be used as a normal verb. Beispiel: Seltene Briefmarken wollen wir aufheben für unsere Sammlung. Die anderen werfen wir weg.
Die Zeitung mit dem Foto unserer Tochter heben wir auf für unsere Enkel.

[kind crag]

Omg wie ist das denn möglich

😭

In was für Servern bist du wie bitte dass du in so vielen bist

[teal cliff]

Ich hatte vor kurzem Nitro, war dann in 114, bin jetzt aktuell nur noch in 100

Und das ist ohne Nitro halt die Obergrenze

[plush pelican]

Ich wusste überhaupt nicht, dass es eine Obergrenze gibt

[teal cliff]

Upsi....

[pastel bloom]

was passiert wenn du in 114 bist und dann dein Nitro ausläuft?

[dense roost]

how wouldd i know whether to use (ich) bin/habe for sentences with participle words

like, "ich bin zwei Kilometre gelaufen" how would i know when to use bin or habe?

[plush pelican]

#questions message

[teal cliff]

Dann musst du 15 verlassen um wieder einem beitreten zu können

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. Try >explain all.

FAQ not found. Try >explain all.

[plain umbra]

@fervent kernel Please use #botchannel for that.

[crude otter]

someone tell me please, i wanna make ausbildung this year
where can i find the company list easily?
thanks

[fervent kernel]

Same question

[marsh garden]

Ausbildung.de

[wheat tiger]

Does somebody know where I can find old Telc exams for studying and mock testing?

[willow socket]

There are books with practice exams

I doubt they are inclined to make old 'real' exams publicly available

look up TELC 'Modellprüfung', 'Übungstest', 'Musterprüfung' <- those are the terms associated with practice tests

[night dagger]

that would be very sick

but yes, probably not even remotely in the realm of possibility

[limpid edge]

Yooo, I was browsing German Wikipedia at work, as you do, and I stumbled upon the page for SV Austria Salzburg. It surprised me that the team was referred to as Austria Salzburg even in the German Wikipedia page. I was more surprised to read that it was founded with the name Austria and not Österreich even all the way back in 1933. I don’t know what to make of that but that’s weird right? Like why not use Österreich?

[dawn oxide]

"Als Farben des neuen Vereins werden Violett und Weiß gewählt. Einige meinen noch heute, man habe damit bewusst parteipolitisch unbesetzte Farben gewählt und mit "Austria" gerade in dieser Zeit ein Zeichen für ein unabhängiges Österreich setzen wollen."

They basically used Austria on purpose to distance themselves from Österreich at the time

Kinda to make a statement if that makes sense

[limpid edge]

Interesting! I found a couple other teams that use(d) the name Austria and on a different article it said that the term Austria isn’t actually foreign. „Die Bezeichnung [Austria] geht jedoch nicht auf die lateinische, sondern auf die urgermanische Sprache zurück.“

Learn something new everyday

[rich prism]

Why isn't this capitalised? I looked up, I understand rot anlaufen = turn red, but auf das neue rot anzulaufen, or is it one of those set things?

[plain umbra]

Because it's an adjective, not a noun.

Maybe you are misreading it as if "aufs neue" is attached to "rot"?

They are separate.

"Aufs neue" is an adverb meaning "once more".

[rich prism]

Yeah

[rich prism]

Thanks

[plain umbra]

Np.

[delicate tiger]

This book uses the old spelling rules, so there may be some words spelled differently (in general)

[plush pelican]

Neue should be capitalized (in an idealized German spelling world)

I hate this shit where German spelling says, "capitalize adjectives turned into nouns....unless it's super common, in which case...idk, I guess you don't have to!"

[plain umbra]

@rich prism

For Argus' comment above.

[plain umbra]

Ja, the "aufs neue" spelling is listed as "ungültig" on dwds at least.

[plush pelican]

oh, really?

Good 😄

[plain umbra]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/aufs Neue

Ja.

[rich prism]

The book was published after the Spelling change thingy, I specifically avoid books published before it because of this, why did they even translate it like that

[plain umbra]

You mean after the 1996 reform?

[rich prism]

Yea

[plain umbra]

But it even uses "daß". It's definitely using the old spelling.

[rich prism]

It was translated in 2000

From the English version

Which also came out in 2000 I believe

[plain umbra]

What's the book?

[rich prism]

Das zweite Königreich from Rebecca Gablé

[plain umbra]

Seems like it was originally in German, rather than the other way around.

So it might just be the author not changing her style of writing.

[rich prism]

Oh, lol

[cobalt ocean]

i always write daß though, how else would it be spelled?

[plain umbra]

The correct spelling is "dass". The spelling "daß" was correct 30 years ago but has not been correct for the last 30 years since the spelling reform in 1996.

[cobalt ocean]

hmmm, that's odd. it should definitely be spelled daß (except in switzerland)

[plain umbra]

No, it shouldn't. Like I said, that was correct over 30 years ago. It's not correct anymore.

Why do you think it's correct?

[regal wave]

its definitely wrong.

You can't argue, it is wrong, unless you go for a Humpty Dumpty "argument".

[cobalt ocean]

maybe you're thinking of das? it has only one s. I know they both mean "that", but trust me they're different in German

[drowsy vapor]

It's definitely written as "dass" and not "daß." Where did you read that it's written as "daß"?

[plain umbra]

Okay, please don't troll here.

[flint steeple]

guys i learned this today and idk if its correct ( hallo ich heiße sam ich komme aus marokko und ich bin 20 jahrn alt ich mag spiele spielen )

[willow socket]

ich bin 20 Jahre alt und ich spiele gerne Spiele (Videospiele? Brettspiele?)

[charred harbor]

Videospiele nehm ich an

[fiery knot]

Hi guys so I’m from the US and I plan to study to become a teacher when I graduate high school and then teach in Switzerland. So I was wondering if as an American, it would be a better option to go to college here in the US and then move to Switzerland, or just go to a Swiss college/university right away?

[willow socket]

#1033125270217048246

[flint steeple]

I have another question when i say (ich habe eine Frau ihr Name is lucy)

Why not sie Name ist lucy

I don't get the deffrens between them

[plush pelican]

Possessive articles are not the same as pronouns

Think of a man

Ich habe einen Mann. Sein Name ist Bob.

I have a husband. His name is bob.

His, not "he"

Similarly

Ihr Name ist Lucy.
= Her name is Lucy.

Not "she name is Lucy"

Now, I recognize that this is confusing, because "ihr" can also he a personal pronoun meaning "y'all"

[flint steeple]

He = er oder ihn?

[plush pelican]

Yes

First picture: personal pronouns

Second picture: possessive articles

[flint steeple]

Di you have a website or a pdf where i can study pronouns more

[plush pelican]

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/pronouns

Note that they call possessive articles "possessive pronouns", which is technically wrong, but whatever

[flint steeple]

Thank you soo much this is a really big help for me ❤️

[frosty glacier]

So "dass" means "that"? And "das" means "the" right?

[jade hawk]

Das Buch = the book
Was ist das? = What is that?
Ich denke, dass... - I think that...

its context based

[drowsy vapor]

Das: is an article (the) but can also be used to refer to something.
Dass: is a subordinating conjunction (that).
They are both equivalent to the English "that", as it can be used to refer to something and is a subordinating conjunction.

[charred harbor]

Das can translate to “this” as well depending on the context

“Was ist das” can be translated as both “what is that” and “what is this” for example

[frosty glacier]

Mkk tyy

[woven tendon]

wait, then is it "ihr" for "her" or "their" the pictures are not consistent?

Also is the difference between "meinem" and "meinen" noticeable in an everyday context? like do natives make clear the difference or do they tend to pronounce them similar when they speak relaxed?

[foggy crater]

Hi

[plush pelican]

It's both, German reuses stuff 😦

ihr habt einen Hund.
Y'all have a dog

[woven tendon]

and another one. ||(damn.. too much questions)||

do we really need the "mich" in "Ich erinnere mich nicht" or would it just loose its meaning and won't make sense?

[plush pelican]

Das ist ihr Hund.
That is her dog.
OR
That is their dog.

Depends on the context.

[woven tendon]

[plush pelican]

Ich spiele mit ihr.
I play with her.

[woven tendon]

that's crazy

[plush pelican]

English does this to a lesser extent

[woven tendon]

oh, so that's the dative. I see

[plush pelican]

She helps me.
I help her.

That's "her" as in "she", like a personal pronoun

That is her dog.

That's "her" much like "his", a possessive article.

[woven tendon]

yeah, I get the difference between them

[plush pelican]

sie = she or they

[woven tendon]

his as her, and him as her. (damn english couldn't creat another pronoun for "her" to make the difference clear)

[plush pelican]

Sie = formal you (either singular or plural)

[woven tendon]

this is becoming hard...

[plush pelican]

Conjugation helps here

Sie spielt mit dem Hund.
She plays with the dog.

Can only be "she", because of the verb conjugation

Sie spielen mit dem Hund.

Either "They play" or "You (formal) play", depends on broader context.

Der Mann überrascht sie.
The man surprises her/them.

Der Mann überrascht Sie.
The man surprises you (formal).

[woven tendon]

yeah yeah, in the context it's should be already known who they're refering to, or either I guess we can ask if they mean "they" or "formal you" right?

[plush pelican]

Sure

[woven tendon]

I see, very interesting

[plush pelican]

In real life, a sentence is never simply on its own, so broader context usually makes this clear and easy.

[woven tendon]

yeah, context always helps

[woven tendon]

BTW @plush pelican do you know this?

[plush pelican]

You still need the "mich", I believe, because "erinnern" on its own is "to remind"

Ich erinnere dich an deine Hausaufgaben.

I remind you of your homework.

"sich erinnern" = to remember, but more literally "to remind yourself"

[jade hawk]

It's required in standard German but there's one entry on dwds that says it's used without a sich by people in the countryside

[woven tendon]

interesting

[woven tendon]

oh, so in... let's say papers or formal documents we'll always find it being reflexive?

and what is the dwds btw?

[jade hawk]

Yes, you also must have it reflexive on any test. I've never come across a erinnern without a sich myself.

[woven tendon]

oh, okay okay I see

thanks @jade hawk and @plush pelican

[jade hawk]

A dictionary entirely in German. Works well with the deepL browser extension

[woven tendon]

i see

[delicate tiger]

you can add many dictionaries to your browser

[woven tendon]

and do german has an institute or something for like, a formal or some notes for formal writing or describing the language?
because in english, altought institutes don't have the last word on how to write or speak the most commons are cambridge with its dict and Webter merriam dict for the USA side

[woven tendon]

I should yeah. I mostly go and put a sentence on deepl

[woven tendon]

you're native. Btw I found something, does this sentence sound good for you?

• Bei der Andacht am Abend eirnnern katholische Christen an den Leidensweg und die Kreuzigung von Jesus Christus.

[delicate tiger]

Duden

[woven tendon]

I see

[nova sparrow]

It's without sich here bc they don't only remember themselves but others too

[woven tendon]

like "to remember eveyone" kind of?

[woven tendon]

interesting, I though it should always be reflexive

[delicate tiger]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/erinnern 2.

[woven tendon]

sadly I can't yet understand more than 3 words in german

[woven tendon]

so with that usage it can also be used in formal contexts right?

[plush pelican]

You missed an R in erinnern

[woven tendon]

oh, I just found it and copied didn't notice it

thanks

and also thank you @delicate tiger @nova sparrow

what's the difference between "Ich weiß noch" and "Ich erinnere mich"?

[nova sparrow]

the meaning is the same:
Ich weiß noch (genau), wie wir damals beim Äpfel klauen erwischt wurden.
Ich erinnere mich (genau/gut), wie wir damals...

[woven tendon]

If it's the same why do we have two verbs for one concept...

[woven tendon]

aren't there any nuances between them?

[drowsy vapor]

Imo, I would say "Ich weiß noch" is more like "I still remember..." and "Ich erinnere mich" is more like "I remember..." That's how I would use it.

[nova sparrow]

The difference is in : Ich weiß noch -> it's already in my brain, I don't have to try and remember

Ich erinnere mich CAN be an act of searching in your memory

[woven tendon]

ohhh

makes sense

[drowsy vapor]

Also, "weiß" is knowing and "erinnere" is remember. So basically what @nova sparrow said

[woven tendon]

so like for thing that happened many years ago you most likely would use "erinnere" rather than "weib noch"=

[woven tendon]

interesting

also hi again phoenix.

[nova sparrow]

It really depends, maybe was the moment you remember that strong, so you would never forget it. 🤷‍♂️
But basically you're right: to remember things longer ago we usually need a greater effort.

[woven tendon]

like with a trauma people would say "I weiß noch"?

okay I think I got it

thanks @nova sparrow @drowsy vapor

[nova sparrow]

👍

[hushed dawn]

Halloo

gibt es einen Unterschied zwischen bieten und bereitstellen ?

sind sie austauschbar ?
Oder unterscheiden sie sich im Kontext ?

[willow socket]

offer and make available

[soft sentinel]

Frag mal chatgpt

[plush pelican]

ChatGPT lügt oft

[dense obsidian]

ChatGPT lügt nicht. Lügen bedeutet, dass man bewusst die Unwahrheit erzählt.

[plush pelican]

ChatGPT erzählt Unwahrheiten 😛

[dense obsidian]

Auf jeden Fall!

[frozen steppe]

Ich nutze kein chatgpt.

Das kostet zudem noch geld 😅

[willow socket]

kostet doch nichts.

[frozen steppe]

Keine Ahnung ich hab mal gehört das man ab einer gewissen anzahl von Zeichen dafür Geld bezahlen muss.

[plush pelican]

Anzahl von Zeichen? Was bedeutet hier "Zeichen"?

Ich hätte gedacht, ab einer gewissen Anzahl von Abfragen oder so

[frozen steppe]

Jeder Buchstabe den du eingibst hier im Chat ist ein Zeichen.

[plush pelican]

Meinst du also, man kann ChatGPT nur Fragen stellen, die weniger als z.B. 500 Zeichen betragen?

wenn man kein Premium-Konto hat?

[frozen steppe]

Ich habs mal gehört. Aber ich habe chatgpt nie genutzt weil ich noch nie im Alltag gebraucht habe.

[plush pelican]

Ich habe ChatGPT ebenfalls nie benutzt 😅

[plain umbra]

Please don't recommend for people to use ChatGPT for language learning. It's against the rules.

[frozen steppe]

Ah wenn man anfragen sendet, dann ist anscheinend auf 4000 zeichen begrenzt. Das ist so kostenlos. Aber ich würds trotzdem nie nutzen wollen 😂

[plush pelican]

4000 Zeichen ist ziemlich großzügig....fürs Erste. Sie werden diese Grenze wohl irgendwann nach unten schieben

[frozen steppe]

Das kann sein. Mir reicht siri auf meinem iPhone 😅

[willow socket]

nicht einmal aus Neugier? Das überrascht mich sehr.

[plush pelican]

Discord hatte eine Zeit lang einen ChatGPT-ähnlichen Bot, den ich befragt habe. Das reichte aus.

Der Bot war saudumm 🤣

[regal wave]

Ich fragte ChatGPT einmal einfach nach Papern zu einem wiss. Thema und es erfand alle. Und auch sonst war alles zu historischen Fragen erfunden; für mich unbrauchbar ^^; (und da es erfindet, muss man es zu allen Themen immer in Verdacht stellen, also ist es als "Wissensmaschine" unbrauchbar)

(Nur dann: wozu ist es brauchbar, wenn es nichts weiß?)

[night dagger]

mich auch

[night dagger]

benutze es ständig, nehme aber nie alles, was es sagt, für bare Münze, ist oft schlicht ein Ausgangspunkt

Also Textgenerierung, Ideenvorschläge, Codegenerierung, usw

die Research-Funktion kann aber echte Quellen liefern, was nett ist, weil das die Antwort ein bisschen verdichtet aber auch da sollte man die Antwort kritisch prüfen

[teal cliff]

Ein Buchstabe = ein Zeichen
Deswegen heißts auch Sonderzeichen: !?+-()/

[plush pelican]

Ich hatte nicht erwartet, dass ChatGPTs Abo-Modell von Anzahl von Zeichen/Buchstaben abhängig ist.

[teal cliff]

ich glaub nicht das es so ist

nach ein paar Nachrichten kriegst du halt ein Time Out auf die Art

War zumindest früher so

Vielleicht ist schon was wahres dran daß es ein Zeichen Limit pro Nachricht gibt

Welches dann verschwindet mit Premium

[willow socket]

ich glaube es ist für uns Informatiker/Tech Leute halt etwas anderes

aber ja, ich verwendes auch. Sogar täglich würde ich sagen

[teal cliff]

Zum korrigieren von Texten

Auf Rechtschreibung

Und wenn du eine HÜ nicht machen willst, weil da ist es egal ob's richtig ist

[hushed dawn]

Ich muss unser geplantes Treffen am Dienstag leider "absagen"/"stornieren".
Welches passt ?

[frozen steppe]

Treffen sagst du ab

Stornieren wäre wenn du ein Hotelzimmer gebucht hast.

[hushed dawn]

Kann ich daraus denn schließen, dass "stornieren" eher für formelle Termine ist ?

[covert locust]

man benutzt "absagen", wenn man nicht ein Treffen/Termin (z.B. Partys usw.) wahrnehmen kann
man benutzt "stornieren", wenn man eine Reservierung (z.B Bestellungen, Hotelreservierung, usw.) rückgängig machen

[hushed dawn]

Ach so , Okayy
Danke euch

[frozen steppe]

Kein Problem.

[plush pelican]

Und du kannst nur A1/A2 Deutsch?

Bist du vielleicht doch ein Muttersprachler?

[covert locust]

ich wünsch lol

[frozen steppe]

Vielleicht ist er auch Manuel Neuer. 😅

[plush pelican]

wer?

Ein Fußballspieler, der kein Deutsch kann, obwohl er Deutscher ist?

[frozen steppe]

There was a funny advertising on tv with manuel neuer. (He is a german goalkeeper). I meant is like joke 😂

[covert locust]

ich kann nur ein bisschen über A2 verstehen, nicht genug für B1 lol

welches Niveau bist du?

[plush pelican]

Deine Sätze waren besser als A2, würde ich sagen

[plush pelican]

C1...glaube ich? Ich habe nie eine Prüfung abgelegt

[covert locust]

haha danke

[covert locust]

wie lange hast du Deutsch gelernt?

[plush pelican]

seit 5 Jahren

aber in letzter Zeit bin ich beschäftigt gewesen, also habe ich mein Deutsch ein bisschen vernachlässigt

[frozen steppe]

Manuel Neuer kann deutsch. Aber er hat eine lustige Fernsehwerbung gemacht. Und ich hab mich daran erinnert also du die Frage gestellt hat ob er sicher kein Muttersprachler ist. 😅

[plush pelican]

Ich habe auf dem Wiki-Artikel gelesen, dass das zum Meme geworden war, diese Werbung

[frozen steppe]

Genau 😅

[plush pelican]

2014/15 war Neuer Testimonial in der Werbung für Coke zero.[92] Basierend auf diesem Dialog entstanden dann vermehrt sogenannte Manuel-Neuer-Witze, meistens in der Form: „Vielleicht bin ich gar nicht/Vielleicht ist das gar nicht [x-beliebige Sache], sondern Manuel Neuer“. Teilweise nahmen diese Witze einen mit den Chuck Norris Facts vergleichbaren Charakter an.

[delicate tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o6-JyISBcA

[frozen steppe]

Ja genau das 😅

[plush pelican]

Das klingt, als ob der Freund vielleicht verwirrende sexuelle Gefühle gegenüber Manuel Neuer hat

[frozen steppe]

Passiert aber nur wenn er zero trinkt 😅

[viral ibex]

is there any reason why when ordering someone to stay where they are, "hiergeblieben" will sometimes be used, in place of the imperative or infinitive form? just a slang exception or is there some rule idk of?

[icy flax]

I dont recall to have heard it.
Usually it is a "hier bleiben!" or "bleib(e) hier!"

[drowsy vapor]

I've also never heard the word used like that, as you would usually say "hier bleiben," "bleib(e) hier," and some other versions, but never "hiergeblieben."

However, I did find a forum that could answer your question, though it's a bit old so not sure if it still applies to today: https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/41977/why-would-you-use-the-past-participle-in-commands-rather-than-the-imperative?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[viral ibex]

is that so? I've seen it a few times but can't remember where exactly, can only send the most recent one
but i know it's not the first time i see it

[viral ibex]

oh thank you

i mean I've only seen it written, might very well be that it's not used colloquially at all

[whole portal]

Hiergeblieben is definitely a thing

I have no clue as to why that is

But stuff like "stillgestanden" exists?

Maybe it really is some sort of military tradition

[stiff fog]

Can anyone give me a sentence, with 'Unseres'?
Unserer is Genitive Pronoun for us(plural) in Musculine.
so why does it have the form- Unseres in the Genitive case, Plural?💀💀💀

can ever 'us' be more plural, or what is it that I am missing?

[plain umbra]

Maybe you are mixing up some things here.

[stiff fog]

maybe

actually i was making a Pronoun table for memorising

[plain umbra]

The possessive articles like unser, such as mein, dein, sein, etc. have the same declension pattern as ein.

So if you just learn every ending for "ein" then it will be the same for "unser".

[stiff fog]

what do you mean by Declension pattern?

[stiff fog]

okay nvm got it, but still why does us have a plural suffix

[plain umbra]

declension = changing the endings of articles, adjective, and sometimes nouns, based on case and gender

[plain umbra]

It will depend on what noun it's being used with.

So for example, if it's masculine (for example, der Hund):
N: unser Hund
A: unseren Hund
D: unserem Hund
G: unseres Hundes

[willow socket]

Ich habe sein Pferd und er hat unseres. (I have his horse and he has ours).
Der Name unseres Vaters ist Jakob. (Our father's name is Jakob).

Plural would be:
Ich habe seine Pferde und er hat unsere. (I have his horses and he has ours).
Die Namen unserer Eltern sind Marie und Jakob. (Our parents' names are Marie and Jakob)

[plain umbra]

If it's plural (example, die Hunde):
N: unsere Hunde
A: unsere Hunde
D: unseren Hunden
G: unserer Hunde

[stiff fog]

my bad, its Unsere not Unseres

[plain umbra]

Unsere would make sense for plural nominative and accusative, but not genitive. The genitive article ending for plural is -er.

[stiff fog]

okayy

[stiff fog]

oh ah wait ya its Nominative chart

[plain umbra]

My advice would be to start with just learning the endings for "der" words and "ein" words. Then after you've learned those, you can learn which other words have the "der" pattern or the "ein" pattern.

[stiff fog]

okayy

[stiff fog]

but wait how does.
possessive Article, Unsere (Nominative Case makes Sense) ?

[plain umbra]

What do you mean?

[stiff fog]

like here

because when we say 'ours' it becomes Personal Pronoun not Personal Article. 💀💀💀💀

My brain is fucked

[plain umbra]

Yes.

But the endings are the same either way, except for nominative masculine, nominative neuter, and accusative neuter.

[stiff fog]

so how does 'our' ... have a plural form

[plain umbra]

It's based on the noun it's attached to.

Our dog vs our dogs.

Our dog -> singular (dog)
Our dogs -> plural (dogs)

[stiff fog]

oh ya dman thank you...
i forgot its not our that becomes plural... just thats our is written as unsere for plural words .
unser Apfel-> our Apple.
unsere Äpfel -> our Apples

German is truly breath taking

also similarly for Personal Pronoun:-
Der Apfel ist unserer -> The Apple is ours.
Die Äpfel sind unsere -> The Apples are ours.

[gleaming nova]

@plain umbra hello i am new and wanted to know why cant i join the voice chat?

[stoic mauve]

@gleaming nova, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[potent orchid]

Liebe ella,
Ich bin neu in Berlin stadt. Was sehenwürdigkeiten in Berlin stadt?du Kannst bitte mitkommen.hast du zeit für Einen termin.

Viele grüße

Das Ist richtig

Korrigieren bitte

[delicate tiger]

||Liebe Ella,
Ich bin neu in Berlin. Welche Sehenswürdigkeiten gibt es in Berlin? Kannst du bitte mitkommen. Hast du Zeit für einen Termin?
Viele Grüße||

Check capital letters and word order

[woven tendon]

very interesting

[drowsy vapor]

Check out #1033125270217048246

[visual ocean]

i ist nach komma klein

Ist ein wichtiger Punkt

[potent orchid]

Danke

[stiff fog]

Moin!
Hey why do we not use (dem) in-
Wann gehen wir nach Hause?

ist es okay sprechen?
Wann gehen wir nach dem Hause?

[plain umbra]

"nach Hause" is a set phrase. You don't have to worry about the grammar. You can just memorise it as its own thing.

Same for "zu Hause".

[stiff fog]

so its not necessary to use the article

okay

[plain umbra]

It's wrong to use the article.

[stiff fog]

intresting

i must study preposition....

Can someone explain why
He is me, I am Him.
is not
Eh ist mich, Ich bin Ihn

[jade hawk]

Sein uses nominativ, so the following pronouns should be nominative too, not accusative

[stiff fog]

okay

[plush pelican]

English and German differ here a bit

[stiff fog]

ja

[plush pelican]

"to be" in English has basically our equivalent of nominative case for the subject (he, I), and our equivalent of accusative case for the object (me, him).

In German, however, both the subject and the object of "sein" are in nominative case, so

Er ist ich. Ich bin er.

I think in older English, it used to be "He is I, I am he"

[stiff fog]

well many places as I have seen so far, just some word pronunciations are similar or predictable

[plush pelican]

Right, sometimes the languages are very similar, sometimes they differ

[stiff fog]

icc

[stiff fog]

well its not really wrong to say,
He is I, I am He. (just unconventional) so ya

[stiff fog]

hmm (France Influence ig)

So far i feel ya German does make a lot of sense... Its is Beautiful 🙃🩷.... But ya it needs some level of Linguistics knowledge to understand...

[final egret]

can someone explain what "es hat sich gewaltig was verändert" means and what "was" is doing there

also if es is a dummy pronoun is the sentence saying that "things/the situation" have changed?

[plush pelican]

"es" is indeed a dummy subject, the real subject is "was" = etwas

Etwas hat sich gewaltig verändert

Dummy subjects are used to put emphasis on the real subject, because the end of a sentence is the spot for new/important information, so moving stuff back there means it's emphasized

[charred wind]

Hallo

How are you

[alpine trail]

Hallo

[final egret]

whats the past tense version of konjunktiv 1

[willow socket]

sein oder haben conjugated for Konjunktiv 1 + partizip II.
Zum Beispiel: Ihm zufolge sei das Unternehmen 2021 pleitegegangen.

[regal wave]

and why did you ask this, anyway?

[plush pelican]

I mean, it does appear, albeit rarely

Mostly in like news articles

[regal wave]

I'm mostly intrigued because its a general (abstract) question and not one providing an example.

[jade hawk]

Immerhin musste man Mr Whitman lassen, dass er nicht vor Schreck aufschrie. Oder sonst irgendeine Regung zeigte.
Bedeutet der erste Satz "You have to hand it to him"? Das heißt, eine Äußerung von Loben? Ich konnte nichts Ähnliches im Internet finden. Or ist das ein Anglizismus? Kurzer Kontext: Er schrie nicht auf, trotz der Tatsache, dass etwas passiert ist, was er nicht erwartet hatte.

[fair scaffold]

Ja, ist ein Lob

[maiden lintel]

Hey guys I have a question
So when it comes to declensions what are the main things that I should study? Cause I saw something like n declensions so I thought there might be some other types as well

[sturdy vine]

Hey guys,

How to join study groups? Im new to this hub n was wondering abt that

[plain umbra]

faq adjective declension

[stoic mauve]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[plain umbra]

This covers pretty much everything.

[maiden lintel]

So do u think I'll be able to learn the entire topic with only this?

Or would u recommend me some other resources to learn it?

[plain umbra]

This document covers the declension patterns. It doesn't cover when/how to use cases.

[maiden lintel]

Umm I have studied the cases like it's basics but incase u have a document for anything related to wat ur talking about can u send me that too?

[fair pebble]

hej, sorry if this is the wrong place, i have a question

ive been learning german passively for 8 months due to uni, but now that i have freetime, i want to focus more on that, but i dont know where to go first, i feel lost and i struggle to focus on important things

i tried duolinguo but its not that good, im playing mostly in german and i started using anki recently

if you can help me about how to start that would be awesome

(pls ping)

[nimble spear]

Hello does anybody have materials for Goethe worksheets? I wanted to do some self study because our school only teaches Telc and frankly I live in a city where theres only one language center.

Hopefully for exam preparations. Thank you

[plush pelican]

#resources Check the pinned google doc

[fair pebble]

thanks

[tidal night]

Well for me personally, when i see some unique formulation/rare grammar, im interested in seeing how it could be formulated in different tenses.

[tidal night]

Textbooks and beginner material until you feel a bit more comfortable with stuff targeted content then just switch to that.

[jade hawk]

Hallo, im Internet habe ich nur die Präpositionskollokationen für etwas gedacht sein und als etwas gedacht sein gefunden. Ist dieses zu ein Fehler?

[willow socket]

zum Aufhübschen = for the purpose of making something more aesthetically pleasing

'sprucing up'

[hushed dawn]

Halloo

kann jemand mir den Unterschied zwischen anklagen, vorwerfen und beschuldigen erklären. Ich habe ihn nicht verstanden

[drowsy vapor]

Anklagen is used for legally accusing someone. Vorwerfen and beschuldigen might be interchangeable, though I'm not sure. I think vorwerfen is more like emotionally throwing accusations at someone, while beschuldigen just means "to accuse."

[nova sparrow]

Hast Du mal in einem Wörterbuch nachgesehen? Was findest und verstehst Du da nicht?

[hushed dawn]

Ja klar, alle scheinen mir ähnlich zu sein, da all die drei Wörter auf Englisch als "accuse" übersetzen, fällt es mir schwer, einen Unterschied durch Beispiele zu finden.

[frozen steppe]

Anklagen ist im Zusammenhang mit Gericht geläufig. Vorwerfen oder beschuldigen ist ist alltäglicher. Das Gericht bzw. der Staatsanwalt kann dich wegen Diebstahl anklagen. Aber Menschen können dich wegen Diebstahls beschuldigen oder es dir vorwerfen, dass du Diebstahl begangen hast. Bei einer Anklage liegen somit auch eher Beweise vor.

@hushed dawn

[nova sparrow]

Versuche mal hier nachzusehen (oder einem anderen Deutsch-Deutschen Wörterbuch, wie z.B. Duden) Hier werden 2 Bedeutungen für **anklagen **angegeben

1. ein Strafverfahren beantragen gegen jemanden -> (I'm not 100% sure but I'd say) :accuse sb to take them to court
2. etwas, jemanden, sich (selbst) bezichtigen
   [Das Schicksal anklagen -> accuse fate] no jurisdiction included

**beschuldigen **ist ein bisschen weniger schwer als anklagen, (obwohl beschuldigen auch im Gerichtsverfahren vorkommt, aber eben auch ganz ohne Gerichtsverfahren)

und **vorwerfen **KANN noch mal deutlich weniger schwer sein als beschuldigen
Er hat mir vorgeworfen, dass ich ihn gar nicht grüße, wenn wir uns begegnen.

https://www.dwds.de/wb/anklagen

[hushed dawn]

@frozen steppe @nova sparrow

Ich danke euch für die Erklärungen und Hilfe

[hushed dawn]

Ich habe versucht, die Webseite zu benutzen, aber dann komme ich zu einem Teufelskreis von neuen & ähnlichen Wörtern, wie hier z.B. bezichtigen haha 😆

[gusty silo]

zum VERBen gedacht ist auch ganz normal

[rain talon]

Help: what is said in this recording before ins Zimmer rein ?

[delicate tiger]

...und kommt jetzt so mega angezündet und pöbelig ins Zimmer rein.

[plush pelican]

Fired up and vulgar?

They're an angry drunk?

[rare jetty]

yea he drank Pfeffi and a cuppa beers and now he has aggressive behavior and wants to "pöbeln"

pöbeln is when you are looking for beef and provoke and (google says that:) heckle

[delicate tiger]

alternativ

[rain talon]

Thank you! I could only hear "pirbelig" and didn't find it in th dictionary lol

[rain talon]

Thanks for that too, I couldn't find what Pfeffi was by googling

[rain talon]

Is it me or is the second sentence weird ?

Context : it's an exhibitions with photos and drawing of different living conditions

I don't understand its grammar even with having the translation to compare

[plush pelican]

I assume your main issue is that after "gelebt hat" there is an entire comparison phrase

"als in dem Raum auf der Zeichnung nebenan?"

Is that it?

[rain talon]

Kind of, I don't understand what it is comparing, grammatically speaking

I understand it's the two rooms but I see a question first woran erkennst du, dass huer jemand 100 Jahre früher gelebt hat and then the rest it's like part of it is missing

[plush pelican]

Who lives here? How (with what) do you recognize, that someone lived here 100 years earlier than in the room in the drawing next to this one?

So there are 2 rooms, but 1 room is decorated to look like somebody lived there 100 years earlier compared to the second room

the comparison is between the rooms and why they show a difference of 100 years

[sly ferry]

It is indeed phrased awkwardly though

[nova sparrow]

and the comma for that is missing 🤯

[plush pelican]

comma?

Meinst du, man sollte vor das Nachfeld ein Komma stellen?

Es ist doch alle nur ein Satz (clause)

[nova sparrow]

gelebt hat, als in

[plush pelican]

Es ist nicht "als" wie eine Konjunktion

es ist "als" wie ein Vergleich

das ist kein zweiter Satz

Ich habe hier früher gelebt, als ich ein Kind war.

das ist "als" wie eine Konjunktion

[nova sparrow]

Woran ich wieder mal erkenne, dass Deutsch als Fremdsprache zu lernen auch seine Vorteile hat, Dankeschön!

[plush pelican]

der Vergleich ist schon lang, in diesem Sinne ähnelt er einem Satz 😅

nur fehlt da ein Verb, zum Beispiel

[ancient blade]

What is "jz" is that a short cut slang for jetzt

[willow socket]

yes

jetzt

[rain talon]

Aaaaah ok it's früher als !!
I thought it was 100 Jahre früher

Now I understand! Thanks 👍

[plush pelican]

100 Jahre früher als

😅

[kind coral]

what’s the difference between das und dass? Don’t they both mean that?

[gusty silo]

dass is that in the use when you link two clauses where one supplies the completion of the other, rather than referring to an actual object.
I hope that he succeeds in school.
I have to say that this apple tart is really good.
I didn't know that you could do that!
That they won is great news!

[drowsy vapor]

Das is an article and is also used to refer to something.

[kind coral]

Mmm this is very helpful. Thank you so much

[kind coral]

Gotchaaa

[stray rapids]

does german have like...

german youtuber

popular one

[bleak rivet]

No we dont have access to the internet

I sent this message via messenger pidgeon

[gusty silo]

there are popular ones, there may be good ones, there could even be overlap

[willow socket]

simplicissmus is pretty popular

[stray rapids]

tnak

danke

ok what about like social media

[plush pelican]

There are of course tons of YouTubers, TikTokers, Twitch Streamers, etc, that have videos/streams in german

Perhaps not as many as in English, but still a lot

thousands

[stray rapids]

ok

vielen dank

[plush pelican]

Here is a list: https://likeometer.co/deutschland/influencer/alle

https://www.gruender.de/online-marketing/erfolgreichste-influencer/

[kind coral]

does anyone have any stories that would be good for an A1 level? I think I need to see German more in context and that would be good.

[plush pelican]

https://youtu.be/JrRWgjjZdnQ?si=ol6GA95Cu-uvOK4-&t=13

[kind coral]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[ancient blade]

Ah thank u

[kind coral]

Is there a difference between “wir geht ist du?” “Wie geht ist dir?” and “wie geht ist ihnen?”

[drowsy vapor]

"Wir geht ist du" is incorrect and doesn't exist.
"Wie geht es (not ist) dir" is informal way for "How are you"
"Wie geht es (not ist) Ihnen" is formal way for "How are you"

[nova sparrow]

Praobably you misheard the ist -> es
But as @drowsy vapor wrote:
Wie geht es Du does not exist!

[plain umbra]

There's also: Wie geht's euch? This is for informal but you're asking a group (instead of just one person).

[nova sparrow]

@kind coral
Or just:
Wie geht's?

As in:
Wie geht es Dir/Euch/Ihnen!

[kind coral]

Ohhh thank you sm!

[kind coral]

yeah I think so too 😭 thanks for correction

[kind coral]

oooh. So if I was talking to a group of friends?

[plain umbra]

Exactly. Or if you wanted to ask the chat on Discord.

[plush pelican]

"euch" is accusative or dative case version of "ihr"

[kind coral]

That sounds much simpler yeah, thans!

[plush pelican]

But if you don't know about cases...you may need to learn about those first

[kind coral]

I have a good introduction level understanding

I should practice cases more I agree

Thank you everybody! This helped a lot

[scarlet wharf]

In this what the book want to explain via example

@plain umbra do you help me in this

[plush pelican]

It's trying to explain modal verbs, which work slightly differently compared to English

müssen = must

BUT

nicht müssen = don't have to

dürfen = may

BUT

nicht dürfen = must not do

[scarlet wharf]

Ok

It’s opposite?

[plush pelican]

"nicht müssen" and "nicht dürfen" are switched compared to English

[plush pelican]

In English, "You must not do that" = you are not allowed to do that

But in German, that is "Du darfst das nicht tun"

[scarlet wharf]

Ok I got it

[plush pelican]

einsteigen is to climb in

Remember that cars used to be higher up, so getting in was a bit of climbing up

[scarlet wharf]

But translator say to get in ?

[plush pelican]

Yes, it means "get in", but an overly literal translation is "climb in"

[scarlet wharf]

Whether this comes in front any verb doesn’t change its meaning right ?

[plush pelican]

Literally, it means "climb in"

But less literally, it means "get in"

[scarlet wharf]

Ok ok

[plush pelican]

Prefixes change the meaning of verbs all the time

kaufen = to buy
verkaufen = to sell

[scarlet wharf]

How to remember then this it’s going hard for me now

[plush pelican]

There is no simple answer

The prefixes usually have multiple potential things they can mean

Some of the meanings are listed here:

https://germanstudiesdepartmenaluser.host.dartmouth.edu/Wortbildung/Inseparables.html

https://germanstudiesdepartmenaluser.host.dartmouth.edu/Wortbildung/Separables.html

[scarlet wharf]

That give trauma to me I understand it’s concept of use in sentence making but when it comes to understand meaning I got back down

[plush pelican]

🤷‍♂️ the best advice I have is to work on vocabulary and learn the meanings of words as you come across them

There are online dictionaries like Dict.cc

That is German to English

I don't know what your native language is, Japanese?

[scarlet wharf]

Nah it’s Hindi

[plush pelican]

Well, there might be online dictionaries for German to Hindi, I don't know

[scarlet wharf]

That’s not issue i speak English too

[plush pelican]

Okay, then use Dict.cc and work on vocabulary

[scarlet wharf]

Ok sir

[tropic crescent]

One suggestion I have and what I follow is not to use translators. I’m currently in A2 level but it gives me translations of B2 or C1 level which may have special meaning in context.
So to study these contextually I use dictionary and also GPT by giving it prompt like “I’m in A2 level so explain me in A2 level examples only” and then throw these words or sentences I don’t understand

[plain umbra]

I would advise against relying on ChatGPT for that since it doesn't really know what A2 level means or anything like that.

[wanton crest]

If one must use translators such as ChatGPT, I'd suggest asking the same question to different tools to compare what's amiss, and also randomly ask something you at least know something about so you can compare the answers to your own knowledge.

[tropic crescent]

Yeah you cannot directly ask to translate.
I first gave a prompt as below
“I’m learning A2 German language
Whenever I give any word or sentence then give me meaning, translation English - German
Along with that Give its conjugations, synonyms, some 3-4 example sentences to use that in A2 level.”

Then always use this chat conversation and throw words or sentences which it translates and gives conjugation.

Ultimately just the meaning we cannot remember for so many words so the example and context based learning is helping me better understand

[plain umbra]

ChatGPT is NOT a translator. A good choice for a translator is DeepL. Do not give recommendations about using ChatGPT as a translator or for getting knowledge/information.

[torn kestrel]

Hey guys im now b1.1 level but my b2 goethe exam is in 25.august. Can i achieve b2 level. Right now i feel like stuck

[night dagger]

@wanton crest For sentence generation, you could give it the a1 and a2 Goethe word lists and tell it to only use words from those lists but even that isn’t guaranteed, it’s imo better to use actual learning materials and dictionaries along with DeepL, especially at the earlier stages because you have no idea what’s idiomatic or not.

[night dagger]

Best way to find that out is to do practice tests, on the goethe website and also in books like Projekt B2, and Mit Erfolg. If you do those and you don't do well in the given time, you will mostly likely also not do well during the actual exam.

[willow socket]

if you're B1.1 now and have a B2 exam at the end of August, it's gonna be pretty tight

like it would be an achievement to reach B2, passing a B2 exam (implies being done with B2) is a stretch

[wide crater]

yandex also has a great translator!

[split gorge]

Wer möchte sich auf die B1-Deutschprüfung vorbereiten?

[vivid glacier]

Ive a question about the server. What can you do in a study group voice channel?

Does it come with instructions or you just do what you want

ah ok

2 as in the latter

[hushed dawn]

hallo

sagt man einhergehende Symptome oder begleitende Symptome ?

[nova sparrow]

Das kommt auf den Zusammenhang an, bzw. die Wortwahl mMn:
Mit der Krankheit einhergehende S
Die Krankheit begleitende S
🤷‍♂️

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[nova sparrow]

good question 🤔
I can only tell that I hear it like that 🤷‍♂️
And I'm not very good at explaining grammar 🫣

[full socket]

I'd say "einhergehend" means they have the same cause. "Begleitend" are symptoms that occur parallel, but might also have a different cause. Like, just because you have cancer, dosen't mean you can't have caught a cold. But I'm not in the medical field, maybe that's just my intuition.

[nova sparrow]

Hmm! A Begleiterscheinung is tied to the occurring "event" and can not exist for itself. 🤔

[full socket]

With, "but might have a different cause" I didn't exclude that "begleitend" *can * have the same cause as well, but that it dosen't need to. Meanwhile, I'd say "einhergehend" is stricter tied to the cause.

[steep herald]

Hallo I have a question about Cambridge german? I wanna know what thoughts you guys have on doing Cambridge german. I wanna know whether I can self study german through Cambridge IGCSE german textbooks and workbooks?

[safe heart]

Is it worthy hearing podcats while driving? What podcasts do you suggest? I was hearing a podcasts but i didnt understand nothing. Should we also watch the podcast?

[teal cliff]

In the beginning listening to podcasts only gets you accustomed to what the language sounds like

From gibberish to familiar gibberish

[safe heart]

And then later after you get used? Is it any worthy?

[teal cliff]

Input is a big thing in language learning.
The more time you spend with a language the more your brain will understand how the language works etc. That only happens after you have reached a certain amount of knowledge tho :0 so go study the basics!

[plain umbra]

Don't ask the same question in multiple channels.

[zenith helm]

Hey Leute ich möchte B2 Prüfung machen
Ich habe letztes Jahr Niveau C1 gelernt und studiert
Und hatte viele Interviews und sie haben zu mir gesagt dass ich Niveau B2 gesprochen und kommuniziert habe.
Ich habe B1 ÖSD Zertifikaten
Aber jetzt möchte ich B2 machen
Wie kann ich in 2 Monaten bereit werden?

[sudden mango]

Gibt es jemanden, der privat am Studienkolleg studiert?

[silver juniper]

Lern einfach täglich, sprich jeden Tag, mache viele Grammatikübungen, und du wirst in kürzester Zeit bereit sein.

[zenith helm]

Oh gut Danke für deine Ratschläge
Und noch eine andere Frage
Können einige Grammatikübungen Bücher auch vorstellen?
Ich habe noch einige

[hazy scroll]

#resources hat einige

[jade hawk]

Depilieren, epilieren, enthaaren: Ich nehme an, dass depilieren am häufigsten im Alltagssprache verwendet wird. Was ist mit den übrigen?

[vast harbor]

Depilieren wird eigentlich kaum bis gar nicht genutzt, am häufigsten ist enthaaren und danach epilieren. Jedoch wenn es um Frisuren oder Bärte geht nutzt man eher schneiden oder rasieren.

[spiral niche]

These two seem pretty the same to me. Can someone describe further the aspects?

"Du brauchst nicht, weil ich schon zwei habe."
"Du brauchst nicht. Ich habe nämlich gleich zwei."

[vast harbor]

Can you describe in which context these 2 sentences are? Or is there any more information of what is needed?

[spiral niche]

Ludmilla: Wir brauchen Eintrittskarte.

Tim: Eintrittskarte? ... Brauchst du
keine ... Ich hab hier nämlich gleich
zwei ...

[spiral niche]

The first one is a made up one by me

I thought these would be the same

[vast harbor]

Oh okay I understand now. The first sentence "Du brauchst nicht(keine), weil ich schon zwei habe." means, that Tim already has two. But with the word "gleich" it means, that he has them in a moment, but not yet.

You could also say "Du brauchst keine. Ich werde gleich zwei haben."

So the 2nd sentence is basically in the "Futur" while the first one is in "Präsens"

[spiral niche]

Thank you.
I guess "nämlich" is not needed (necessary) maybe?

I wonder what it adds to the context

[vast harbor]

It just emphasizes, that you already have them. So you can add it but it is not necessary. 🙂

[spiral niche]

Thank you 🫰

[vast harbor]

Gerne! 😄

[limpid edge]

Can anyone help me understand which pronouns go with jemand and stuff like that?

So for example if I were trying to say something like „Does anyone here have plants that they don’t like anymore“

My instinct is to say „Hat jemand hier Pflanzen, die sie nicht mehr magen.“ or something like that. My question is in the subordinate clause what pronoun would be used to reference the jemand. Using sie (they) doesn’t sound like it’d be right since it changes the conjugation but idk.

I hope the question is clear and if the example I gave is shit lmk lol!

[delicate tiger]

"Hat hier jemand Pflanzen, die er nicht mehr mag?"

[limpid edge]

Oh of course lol I don’t know why I was certain it’d have to be plural for some reason. Thanks!

[sterile bear]

Hello @naive cedar 👋, interested in having talk with you 👍

[brisk blaze]

having A talk

[naive cedar]

👀

[spiral sage]

Does anyone know a reliable free offline German learning app??

[viral ibex]

hey, if i were to write "hab mich beim flarewerfen kaputtgelacht" would it imply that i was an active participant in the activity? As in, I was laughing WHILE performing the activity?
Or is it okay to say that after watching a video where i simply watched the event happen?
I double checked on translating softwares before sending it and they all return translations where I'm the one performing the action

[shell blaze]

Yea, it implies that you were doing it and laughed about it, so it would be better to rearrange the sentence before saying, although I can‘t think of one right now.

[viral ibex]

Oh alright, thanks
then i'd be interested in knowing what is a natural way of saying "i reacted this way during this specific part" while passively witnessing something, even if it's a completely different phrase, just would like to know how people express that concept ^^

[willow socket]

'als sie XYZ', zB

[viral ibex]

"ich hab mich kaputtgelacht als du die flare geworfen hast"?

[willow socket]

ja zum Beispiel

[viral ibex]

danke ^^

how does "das mit" sound for the same purpose? off?
"das mit dem flarewerfen/mit der flare war großartig, hab mich kaputtgelacht"

[shell blaze]

It sounds good aswell, you can use both for the same purpose really

[viral ibex]

thank you:)

[slim lodge]

For practice, I translated an segment from an old D&D one-shot. It's supposed to be absurd, but I would like to know if it generally makes sense to read:

Nach Jahren der Suche und vielen verlorenen Leben liegt die Höhle des Lichkönigs vor euch. Sie wird von einer Armee Skeletten ohne Knochen verteidigt, deren Geist stark ist, deren Knochen aber schwach sind.

"Halt, Lichkönig! Wir haben deine entknocher Armee besiegt und sind hier, um deine bösen Pläne zur Weltherrschaft zu stoppen!"

"Ich habe keine solchen Pläne, ihr Helden. Und selbst wenn ich welche hätte, warum zum Teufel sollte ich so unfähige Lakaien anheuern?"

Ihr seht euch um und stellt fest, dass er Recht hat. Mehrere entknocher verlieren Kämpfe gegen einen Käfer, eine Blume und in einem besonders peinlichen Fall gegen einen anderen entknocher.

[plush pelican]

They both don't have bones, but also the bones are weak?

Apparently, "debone" (to remove bones) is "entbeinen", so I guess "entbeinte Armee"?

The question of which "you" to use is also an issue. The party addresses the lich king with "halt" (du imperative) and "deine" (du possessive).

But "du" is the familiar/befriended "you"

You'd probably want the formal you to show distance
And specifically for fantasy or stuff mimicking the Middle Ages, that means "Ihr/Euch", which is like "ihr/euch", but capitalized.

They had a different formal you than "Sie" back then, you see.

[plush pelican]

There's also the question of how the lich king would refer to the party. He similarly uses the informal "ihr". I think the formal "Ihr" would be better there, too.

[plush pelican]

In the last sentence, you can in fact use an adjective as a noun, including an adjective built from the Partizip 2 Version of a verb.

But if it is being used as a noun, it has to be capitalized as a noun.

Ich kämpfe gegen den Großen.
I fight against the tall one.

"gegen einen anderen Entbeinten"

I think? Not sure about "entbeint", but I think you're going for "another deboned one" (one without bones)

Still not clear on how skeletons without bones works.

Maybe another option would be "gegen einen Knochenlosen" (literally without bones, knochenlos)

[slim lodge]

This one is just a capitization mistake, but yes abolutely

[slim lodge]

I didn't use that cause I thought it was "feet" 🤔

[plush pelican]

Das Bein = leg

Der Fuß = foot

But you're right that it's weird that by itself, "Bein" means leg, but as part of a verb, it means bone

🤷‍♂️ deutsche Sprache, schwere Sprache

[slim lodge]

Still not clear on how skeletons without bones works.

It was an absurdist one-shot, so there is a lot more non-sequiter and nonsensical elements to the full story. Although as you can see, the skeletons without bones didn't work very good at all

[slim lodge]

When I saw "halt" in the dictionary I didn't even look further because it's also an English word for "stop". What is the formal version?

[ember lotus]

Haltet Ihr in this case

Halten Sie would be with normal formal form

[slim lodge]

Thanks

[nova sparrow]

@slim lodge
In my humble opinion a skeleton is nothing but bones and when you remove those, what's left then? Maybe some bones are missing, so they can stay skeletons? (With missing bones)
And I would use knöchern for this army of skeletons.

[slim lodge]

The bones being weak was my attempt at "The skeletons were weak due to not having any bones"

[nova sparrow]

Okay, I get that, but I would think of a dead person with a missing corpse being rather a ghost 🤔

[slim lodge]

It's an absurdist piece, the original text calls them "skeletons without bones" once, and then "deboners" for the rest of the adventure rules text

[nova sparrow]

Then stick with entbeint, as Argus wrote above.
I thought it was your own textnot a translated one you posted^^ 🤷‍♂️

[slim lodge]

Does it count if I wrote the original? I don't remember writing it, but it's in my documents from like 2014

I thought it was funny

[plush pelican]

"deboners" has the pun of "boner" in it

That doesn't translate into German with "Entbeinte"

[slim lodge]

If you can find a way to preserve the erection pun, that would be quite impressive

[plush pelican]

I don't think that's possible

[slim lodge]

I didn't even try, it seemed unlikely

[plush pelican]

German doesn't have a bone-based slang word for erection, I don't think

[nova sparrow]

there is none ...

[plush pelican]

Interesting to say "It hasn't". Sounds British for some reason.

I would've said in your place "it doesn't"

[nova sparrow]

Thanks for the hint! 😉

[slim lodge]

"It hasn't" needs "got one" at the end, while "It doesn't" can stand alone

"It has not got one" -> "It hasn't got one"
"It does not have one" -> "It does not" ("To exist" is the default verb of an english sentence, so it actually means "It does not exist" which is also correct but in a slightly different way)

[willow socket]

are you american or british @slim lodge ?

[slim lodge]

American English for me <3

[plush pelican]

I think "it hasn't" is correct, but outdated for American English

[willow socket]

yeah I think in british english (at least informally?) it would be fine