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[pulsar sand]

I have already answered this in questions 1

[stone vault]

Yup, thanks, I replied to u there regarding the last 1

[zenith valve]

1. "Nimms leicht" and "Immer mit der Gemütlichkeit" sound unnatural to me, the others are totally fine.

2. Quite synonymous. More of a philosophical question.

3. Again quite synonymous but can be abstracted in certain contexts.

4. "anschneiden" means to cut into something while "abschneiden" means to cut something out of something. Man scheidet ein Steak AN, um zu testen, ob es gar ist und man schneidet von einem Steak AB, um ein Stück zu essen.

5. "Durchgreifend" does not fit into the chain in terms of meaning "quick" or "radical". It would not be understood as "fast" rather than "thoroughly" but even that is more creative than natural.

6. No, you cannot. You'd need to use the Konjunktiv "Wisse auch..." yet it would never sound natural.

[stone vault]

So how would u make that "do know that (for eample.. what u did was wrong)" sound as natural as possible?

and btw thank u for the answers

[zenith valve]

7. "Bis ans Limit schieben" as directly translated from "pushing it to the limit" does not work

[zenith valve]

Just stick with gehen and you'll be fine

[zenith valve]

"Sei dir bewusst" would be correct and more formal but in rather informal situations you can also use "Dir sollte klar sein, dass...", "Die sollte bewusst sein, dass..." oder rhetorisch fragend "Du weißt schon, dass... ?"

fuck around and find out

[stone vault]

so firstly thank u secondly that "fuck around and find out" sounds more like aggressive.. like.. "come at me, and see what'll happen".. I'd assume you meant to try out and experiment around and then you'll find out and it'll turn out clearer by the tries.. "Experiment and you'll get a better idea"

or even experiment and find out, but this is like "do it yourself, go away" in that sense

[zenith valve]

nah just have fun with the language

[stone vault]

sounds even better

and yeah, I agree, that's one of the best ways to learn anything

That applies to some things and some not

[stone vault]

btw do u see any differences in "wann kommst du dran" and "wann bist du dran" ?

[zenith valve]

I prefer "Wann bist du dran" but both work synonymously

[stone vault]

I see

[fervent kernel]

Warum "im weitesten Sinn__e__" und nicht "im weitesten Sinn"? Das ist welche Ablehnung?

[willow socket]

In der Vergangenheit schrieb man maskuline und neutrale Nomen im Dativ mit einem 'e' am Ende. Das 'e' bleibt bei manchen festen Redewendungen erhalten, wie zum Beipsiel "im Sinne."

[fervent kernel]

Aaa okok danke, ich verstehe. Ich frage mich ob das Dativende -s von Nomen auch in der Zukunft verschwinden wird

[willow socket]

meinst du Genitiv?

ich hoffe nicht 😦

[uneven leaf]

level A

schreibt vollständig auf Deutsch und versteht auch die Antwort drauf

ich glaube es ist mal an der zeit, die level B Rolle zu nehmen lol

[fervent kernel]

Ja aber ich dauere 30 minuten um die Antworten schreiben, dafür denke ich nicht dass mein Niveau sehr groß ist 🤣 Aber wenn du denkest dass das noch Niveau B ist, ich kann es wandeln 🫡

zu schreiben?

[uneven leaf]

es braucht vielleicht noch ein bisschen Zeit xD

aber du bist schon nah dran

hohes A2 niedriges B1, so abgeschätzt

[uneven leaf]

*"Ja, aber ich brauche 30 Minuten um die Antworten zu schreiben. Deswegen denke ich nicht, dass mein Niveau so hoch wäre. Wenn du aber denkst, dass ich schon B Niveau habe, kann ich die Rolle ändern"

so, erstmal korrigiert

[fervent kernel]

Ooo danke schön, ich muss da eine Grammatikanalyse machen 🤣

[fervent kernel]

Also denken + Konjunktiv?

[uneven leaf]

Offiziell denken + Konjunktiv 1 glaube ich

Denken + Konjunktiv 2 wie grad eben wird aber umgangssprachlich ziemlich oft gesagt

[charred shuttle]

Ich singe gern und oft mache ich das während der Dusche. Ich frage mich, ob ich noch das machen kann (natürlich außer der Ruhezeiten, oder?), weil Deutsche bekannt für ihre strengen Lärmvorschriften sind

[willow socket]

Sollte kein Problem sein

Du darfst auch Klavier üben 😛

[violet yew]

Hallo

[hushed dawn]

Er wollte , den Ablauf bezüglich der Vorbereitung auf FSP (Prüfung) voranzutreiben.

is Ablauf a correct usage here ? or should i say instead Prozess ?

[cerulean thicket]

Er wollte den Ablauf wissen bezüglich der Vorbereitung auf die FSP. Finde ich persönlich besser.

[hushed dawn]

unter sich sein, is this a common way of saying to be in a comfortable place

z.B,
du sollst gehen, wo du unter dich bist.

[maiden yacht]

Are you sure it's akk

And not Dativ

Sounds like a case of dativ

[hushed dawn]

Jaa my bad

aber klingt es gut ?

[uneven leaf]

I'm not sure if it's technically correct or not, but I've never heard anyone use it in that context in real life

the only context I really hear "unter sich" used in is in more generalized statements like with "man" instead of with "du"

in that case my impression has always been that while yes, it does imply a "comfortable place", what it's more literally saying is that you're around other people who are similar to you

e.g. I hear it a lot in reference to minorities (lgbt, foreigners, women, etc.) when referring to places where there's an expectation that only the people of the specified (or implied) group are present

[icy flax]

Findet ihr diese Bedeutung überhaupt? Es ist mir fremd und anscheinend auch in DWDS, Linguee, und dict.cc. Dafür gibt es aber "among themselves" zu sein.

Er ist unter seinen Freunden.

[uneven leaf]

Genau das hab ich auch gemeint xD, hab halt versucht zu erklären, mit der Annahme das er das schonmal so übersetz gesehen hatte

[past sentinel]

diese Formulierung wird in einem Kontext benutzt, wo man mit anderen (Freunde/Familie) gemeinsam allein ist. Also "man ist unter sich" ... Die Formulierung "du sollst gehen, wo du unter dich bist" ist nicht richtig, was man sagen könnte "du sollst (wohin) gehen, wo du für dich bist" - also so etwas wie "geh wohin, wo du alleine sein kannst / nicht abgelenkt wirst" - die Aussage "unter dich sein" gibt es so nicht. Nur eben "unter uns", oder "unter euch" usw. - also Plural

[mint coral]

do you guys know the difference between nach and zu?

could u also give me examples too

[willow socket]

Die Frage ist aus meiner Sicht zu allgemein, als dass ich sie ausführlich beantworten könnte. Nach und zu sind beide Präpositionen mit vielen Bedeutungen und Verwendungen. Gibt es einen spezifischeren Kontext, in dem du sie miteinander vergleichen willst?

[mint coral]

Ich möchte wissen, wann du sie benutzt.

[mint coral]

:)

[regal olive]

The issue with the question is that nach- and zu- both can be used for way too many different things. Even for me it would be hard to find a good explanation for it. for example nach means after in some cases, but we have things like nachfragen which has a totally different thing. the furthest this could be interpreted is maybe by the term asking after (something).

Maybe I'm too blind to find a direct answer, but its seems hard to answer. Google might actually be your best bet and after researching you can basically confirm your results in here with a native speaker that's somewhat experienced in the topic.

(Do not trust google or chatgpt on their own)

[fervent kernel]

Ich finde, dass die Präfixen oft nicht mit den Bedeutungen ihrer alleinstehenden Versionen zu tun haben x)

[mint coral]

oh no

i will get it soon t

thank you tho

[fervent kernel]

Also, ich habe diesen Satz zu DeepL gesehen :
"Du willst also gesehen werden?"
Und ich frage mich, ist das die natürlichere Art und Weise, wie man das sagt? Weil ich oft die Leute gehört habe "Also, " in dem Satzanfang (kann man "Satzanfang" sagen 🤣 ?) zu benutzen, deswegen ich gedacht habe, dass es vielleicht natürlicher ist in dem Satzanfung zu stellen. Dann wird es "Also, du willst gesehen werden?" aber ich weiß nicht, ob das richtig ist

[timber yacht]

"Satzanfang" ist ein sehr gebräuchliches Wort, das hier perfekt passt. 🙂
Also am Satzanfang oder mitten in einem Satz kann verschiedene Bedeutungen haben. Die Übersetzung deines Beispiels ins Englische wäre: "**So **you want to be seen?" Das Wort also wirkt also nicht kosmetisch, sondern verändert die Bedeutung des Satzes.
Vielleicht hilft dir dieses Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiToSPG7FKs

[delicate tiger]

Diese vorgestellten Sachen sind fast immer ein Anglizismus

[plush pelican]

A lot of these sentence openers can also be used around position 3 as well

Ich habe meine Hausaufgaben nicht gemacht. Deshalb habe ich schlechte Noten bekommen.

Ich habe meine Hausaufgaben nicht gemacht und [ich] habe deshalb schlechte Noten bekommen.

[limpid trout]

you would use "für wen" instead of "wofür" if it was für jemanden and not für etwas

right?

[willow socket]

yes

[regal olive]

Yes wofuer is like "for what?" and fuer wen is like "for who?"

[limpid trout]

right, double checking 'cause my teacher corrected "für Vati. → für wen?" to "für Vati. → wofür?"

[fervent kernel]

Oo, it's probably the same etymology as hvorfor in Norwegian

[fluid nacelle]

Hello, I've got a question, does this sentence make sense?
"Meiner Meinung nach zeigt dies, es zeigt die Bedeutung von, solche Menschen und ihre sexuelle Orientierung zu feiern."

[delicate tiger]

please ask only in one channel at a time

[brittle folio]

Can “schon” be used like this?

[rich prism]

Yes

[brittle folio]

Nett, danke

[gaunt brook]

Is 1.3 Converted General Grade in Germany Considered good?

Explanation, I converted my Grade from Saudi Arabia's generalised method, which is 89.2% - To USA's Grading System which is 3.7~ -Then converted it to the General Conversion Method and it came out as 1.3~ | I'm unsure if that's a good grade or not since some resources are contradicting each other. - I'm unsure if i made a mistake so i posted the steps aswell.

[rich prism]

Its good

[gaunt brook]

What grade does it represent?

[rich prism]

Wym

[gaunt brook]

Like.. Excellent, good, decent-

[rich prism]

1.0-1.3 is very good I think

[willow socket]

es liegt direkt an der Grenze zwischen 1,3 und 1,7.
1,0 - 1,3 'sehr gut'
1,7-2,3 gut

[gaunt brook]

Oo, alright thank you!

Thank you guys

[cosmic warren]

Gerne

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe jemanden "Ich verstehe kein Deutsch" sagen gesehen, aber ich frage mich, kann man "Ich verstehe Deutsch nicht" auch sagen? Für mir macht das Sinn nicht "kein Deutsch" zu sagen, als "ich verstehe ein Deutsch" man sagt nicht, aber ich bin nicht derjenige, der was macht oder macht nicht Sinn entschied 🤣

[south zenith]

Ich glaube beides geht, kein deutsch ergibt Sinn wenn du das kein als “no” übersetzt statt „none“

I understand no German

[willow socket]

"ich verstehe kein Deutsch" klingt viel besser

[teal cliff]

stimme zu

[acoustic breach]

„kein“ nutzt man nicht nur für zahlbare Dinge
z.B. sagt man „das ist kein Wasser“, aber niemand sagt „ein Wasser“

[acoustic breach]

Für mich macht/ergibt es Sinn, …*
als da man xxx nicht sagt* (als ≠ because, since)
der entscheidet, was Sinn macht oder nicht*/ob etwas Sinn macht

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön für alle Korrekturen 🙏🏽

[fervent kernel]

Hmmm denn, wenn benutzt mann "nicht" und wenn "kein"? Wenn es kompliziert ist, ich kann auch es googeln

[acoustic breach]

Im Allgemeinen:
Kein -> Nomen
Nicht -> Adjektive, Präpositionen, Verben

[acoustic breach]

Kann ich es auch googeln*

[acoustic breach]

Meines Erachtens nach verneint man oft zuerst die Nomen, Adjektive oder Präpositionen

[acoustic breach]

In manchen Fällen ist es anders aber das ist wie die Grammatik im Allgemeinen funktioniert

@fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

A ok ich verstehe, dann werde ich es als Regel mit ihren Ausnahmen nehmen und werde ich versuchen, darauf Intuition zu erlangen 🙏🏽

[scenic harbor]

Hey guys, quick question here. Is there a specific phrase for saying “it’s ok” in German or can I just basically say “ es ist ok”

[fervent kernel]

context?

context is highly important when you ask about connotation of a simple phrase like this

[scenic harbor]

Oh, I mean like, “it’s okey” as in “it’s fine, no worries” kind of a thing

[fervent kernel]

still doesn't tell me the context

like business or personal relationships?

for more formal settings I'd say, kein Problem/machen Sie sich keine Sorgen/...

for a specific phrase I'd need a specific context

the connotation of phrases is usually slightly different so you can't just translate them 1 to 1 always

[scenic harbor]

It’s for a personal relationship, I’m trying to write a letter to my friend who lives in germany. Trying to write something like “it’s fine, you got this!”

[scenic harbor]

thanks for the info

[scenic harbor]

Thank you, I got it

[fervent kernel]

I think youre not far off then, if you want you can use it

It has the reassuring component, if you're looking for something more uplifting maybe
Viel glück/ich drücke dir die daumen/viel erfolg bei x or das wird schon, keine Sorge...
Theres quite a few and probably some I missed :)

[willow socket]

'das wird schon'

[thorn zodiac]

Could someone explain whata going on with the Satzbau here? Specifically in the highlighted part. Idk why this occurs. For reference its from some tagesschau article.

Die Taliban,** erzählt er noch**, hätten ihn freundlich empfangen.

Danke im Voraus, bin auf der Arbeit

[willow socket]

Die Taliban hätten ihn freundlich empfangen, erzählt er noch. <-- ist der Satz dir klarer?

[flat oriole]

think of it like some quote i guess?
"Die Taliban hätten ihn freundlich empfangen" he says
"Die Taliban" - he continues - "hätten ihn freundlich empfangen"

[thorn zodiac]

Ja, es klingt besser jetzt. Warum ist es in der Mitte des Satzes? Gibt es einen Name für diese Grammatik.

Danke ihr beide

[upbeat thicket]

Parenthese bzw. Schaltsatz

soweit ich weiß

[thorn zodiac]

Danke, ich gucke später dadurch, wenn ich zu Hause bin

[hushed dawn]

sich fürchten vor vs fürchten um ?

Unterschied bitte ?

[plush pelican]

I mean, the first one doesn't specify what you're afraid of, right?

Or do you mean to compare "sich vor etwas fürchten" versus "um etwas fürchten"?

ah, apparently "um etwas fürchten" is to fear for somebody or something

not be afraid of something

"I fear for your soul."
Ich fürchte um deine Seele.

[hushed dawn]

so sich vor jdm is like you have Angst
but um etw fürchten is somewhat like (i mean in the sense) "sich um etw kümmern" ?

like u care for something ?

[plush pelican]

"I fear the devil."
Ich fürchte mich vor dem Teufel.

[plush pelican]

sort of, yeah

[hushed dawn]

Okayy , thank you

[hushed dawn]

can i know which translator is this please

[plush pelican]

Dict.cc

[plush pelican]

"I fear for your soul" = I am afraid that something will happen to your soul.

like you'll go to hell

so the object is the thing you fear damage will come to, not the thing you are afraid of

[hushed dawn]

yeah got it , thanks

[marble solar]

Is 'Die Stadt von Berlin' correct?

[willow socket]

Die Stadt Berlin oder einfach Berlin

[marble solar]

Is there a reason for removing von?

I notice that in a lot of German sentences

[maiden yacht]

redundant

you can say that in english but its rather redundant or downright incorrect in german

[marble solar]

Ok I see now, so when is "von" usually used?

[maiden yacht]

similar meaning to "of" in english

so uhh

or from

[maiden yacht]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/von#1

here are all the possible cases

of how it can be used

[marble solar]

Alright, thanks!

[trim moat]

Is forvo.com reliable for pronunciation? I see some words having different pronunciations

[willow socket]

verwendet man 'sich etw. unterziehen' mit Dativ oder Genitiv oder beidem?

[timber yacht]

Mir fallen 2 Interpretationen dazu ein.
"sich einer medizinischen Behandlung unterziehen" - Genitiv Dativ
"sich, weil es draußen kalt ist, ein langärmeliges T-Shirt unterziehen" -> eine körpernähere, "untere" Kleidungsschicht betreffend - Akkusativ

genauso kann man sein Konto oder seinen Auftritt überziehen und sich eine dickere Jacke überziehen (stressed syllables bold) @willow socket

[willow socket]

also, ich meinte die erste Variante. zB
mit Dativ: Er unterzieht sich dem Lügendetektortest.
mit Genitiv: Er unterzieht sich des Lügendetektortests.
Geht beides? Oder nur die Variante mit Genitiv?

[timber yacht]

Maskulinum made me stumble... it's actually Dativ , sorry

[thorn zodiac]

Hallo! Ive seen "da" and "ehe" used as conjunctions with presumably a meaning similar to "because". I was wondering if this is different than weil/denn? I dont see them as common and thought maybe theyre just uncommon synonyms? Danke im Voraus

[delicate tiger]

"ehe" is "bevor"
"da" and "weil" are mostly exchangeable

[uneven leaf]

to expand, "ehe" is more of a subcateogry of "bevor" I'd say

you can't use it in as many situations as bevor without sounding... idk, pretentious? not sure if that's the right word

if you start using it for literal time like how you would use "bevor", e.g. "das hatte ich schon gemacht bevor ich dazu gekommen bin" -> "das hatte ich schon gemacht ehe ich dazu gekommen bin" then it sounds weird

like you wouldn't use it in casual speech

I agree that "da" and "weil" are pretty much interchangeable though

[plush pelican]

Isn't there a restriction that "da" has to be information already known to the person you're speaking to?

And also that the "da" clause is mostly in front or something?

[uneven leaf]

ahhh, not that I've noticed at least

probably the first one now that I think about it

but I never really thought about it, it just kind of is

although, I'm not sure i'd describe it as "information the other person already knows" per se

but idk how to describe it better

idk I think I'd be able to tell which one is right in context but I couldn't for the life of me tell you how

it's all vibes

[plush pelican]

Hammer's German Grammar goes into detail, but I'm away from my computer and can't check it right now

[willow socket]

da is often the leading clause

[thorn zodiac]

Thank you all for the responses

[feral minnow]

hello everyone i have a question please.

in german we use “indefinitpronomen” to place a noun we already mentioned in a sentence, it could be in nominativ or akkusativ form.

example ( akkusativ )

• ich möchte einen espresso, möchtest du einen?

example ( nominativ )

• ich brauche einen kugelschreiber . hast du einen?

• ja, hier ist einer.

now can we use the same “indefinitpronomen” in dative form?

thanks for responding and correct me if i’ve made a grammatical mistake.

[uneven leaf]

yes, and also a quick note that expressing wanting a specific thing is usually done with "hätte gern(e)" instead of with "möchte"

[rich prism]

yea, you can

[feral minnow]

oh okay thank you both!!✨

can you give me an example please?

[uneven leaf]

example: "Das ist das Haus, von dem ich so viel erzählt habe"

idk if it's the best example but ngl it's way harder to come up with examples for specific grammar points on the spot than it is to just use the grammar

[feral minnow]

but that’s definit not indefinit

no?

can we use “einem” in that case?

[feral minnow]

yeah true 😭 thank you putting effort into making a sentence.

[uneven leaf]

it would have to be a slightly different example but the underlying grammar is the same

[feral minnow]

so it’s still used?

[uneven leaf]

maybe "hier ist die Liste von Ärzten, gehst du zu einem?"

would be "here's the list of doctors, are you seeing one?"

(I can't even english today, feels bad man)

[feral minnow]

😭😭

[rich prism]

Ich habe einem Hund geholfen, hast du auch einem geholfen?

[feral minnow]

okay i got it, some german friend told me it’s probably not used, i got confused.

VIELEN DANK EVERYONE ✨✨

[uneven leaf]

like I've said before in this chat, native speakers aren't always the most trustworthy lol

[feral minnow]

true😭

[uneven leaf]

and even when they can tell you what's right and what's wrong, they usually can't tell you why

[feral minnow]

german grammar is difficult tho, i don’t blame them😭

[uneven leaf]

🤷‍♀️ every language's grammar is difficult tbh

[kind cobalt]

wazzuuuuupppp

[feral minnow]

i agree but cmon german grammar compared to english…

[uneven leaf]

the more I progress on my L3 the more I realise that even though german grammar is hard, it's kinda just like that with foreign languages

you'll always feel like it's hard, and you'll always make mistakes

[uneven leaf]

have you... have you seen english

lol

[feral minnow]

i mean..

[uneven leaf]

at least german isn't three languages in a trenchcoat

[rich prism]

Lol

[feral minnow]

idk i probably haven’t studied it in depth but for what i know now it’s so much easier..

[fervent kernel]

This. German is the first language that i self studied outside of school. I kept on asking myself how the fuck the rules make any sense. But with time you just learn to accept them as is. 😭

[uneven leaf]

it's how it is with every language you try to learn

sometimes things make sense and you're like "woah that's great why don't we have that in english", but most of the time it's just a bunch of pointless rules that aren't even always valid

and tbh all things considered, german isn't that bad

[feral minnow]

no german isn’t that bad… have u tried arabic?😭😭

[uneven leaf]

more complex than something like french or indonesian? sure

[fervent kernel]

I think it's a good progress, when you accept and don't question every small details while learning a language.

[uneven leaf]

but it's not the worst

[feral minnow]

yes, if u learn how to speak it then grammar becomes easy by itself

[uneven leaf]

and even for the languages where you might say german grammar is more complex, I'd still say the difference is minimal

even between the "hardest" and "easiest" language I don't think it's that extreme

[feral minnow]

how many languages do you speak 😭

[uneven leaf]

ah

2.5?

[feral minnow]

i see i see

that’s good

[fervent kernel]

I think starting to learn a language is always challenging. But when you have understood the basics, it only gets easier going forward

[feral minnow]

you sound like someone is very into languages and stuff, are you?

[uneven leaf]

as soon as you can just use the language instead of studying it it gets way easier

[fervent kernel]

And it's a lot more fun too

[fervent kernel]

How many languages do you speak?

[uneven leaf]

🤷‍♀️ I guess

I just do this in my free time

[fervent kernel]

Do you learn other languages other than german?

[feral minnow]

i speak 2 fluently ( i guess) and i’m learning 2 more

[uneven leaf]

girl

[fervent kernel]

Nice. Currently learning french. But that language is hard

[uneven leaf]

and you're out here calling me very into languages lol

[feral minnow]

it is i guess idk? i don’t know much about other languages😭

[fervent kernel]

What languages are you learning rn?

[fervent kernel]

We all are in a sense 😂

[feral minnow]

yess girl you were explaining how all languages are easy and not THAT difficult 😭 you prolly have general info about them but still.

[feral minnow]

german and arabic

[uneven leaf]

lol some people make me feel like such a casual though

[fervent kernel]

Wow good luck to you 👍

[uneven leaf]

they're playing ranked competitive language learning and I'm just taking my sweet time

[fervent kernel]

Arabic is a whole other level.

[feral minnow]

thanks a lot, you too!

[fervent kernel]

😂 polyglots on youtube make us wanna be polyglots ourselves

[whole portal]

Youtube polyglots are usually kinda eh tho

[plush pelican]

A lot of "polyglots" can barely say simple phrases

they haven't actually mastered the languages, they can just do party tricks

[uneven leaf]

my favourite youtube polyglot has got to be language simp

his mastery of ancient albanian sign language is impeccable

makes me believe everything he says

(massive disclaimer about the dripping sarcasm contained above)

[plush pelican]

😦 I was intrigued about "ancient Albanian" before I read the rest of the message

[uneven leaf]

lol, google the video he did on it

it's a massive meme in the online language learning community

[plush pelican]

I thought I was a part of that community, but I've not heard of this meme

Or is this part of the online language learning-circlejerk community?

[uneven leaf]

👉 👈 maybe

that's where all the good memes are don't judge me

[heavy grove]

Wait until argus finds out about the "learning Uzbek" meme

[hushed dawn]

leiden vs erleiden
that is suffer vs sustain right?
correct me if im wrong please
sustain is more severe than suffer ?

so for example in car accidents one may use erleiden ?
er hat Knockenbrüche im Gesicht erlitten. z.B ?

[willow socket]

Der Unterschied besteht hauptsächlich darin, dass jemand etwas erleidet (zB einen Verlust erleiden). Dahingegen leidet man an/unter etwas (zB an einer Krankheit leiden)

es hat meines Wissens nichts mit der Intensität des Leidens zu tun.

[fervent kernel]

I was watching a video on Easy German, where there were language learners saying they speak like, 15 languages, and I'm just like 😬 I think they have a very loose definition of "speak"

[pulsar sand]

Yes, they always repeat the same sentences in every video just slightly different 💀

[uneven leaf]

I think if anyone claims to speak more than 6 languages they're almost definitely a liar

maybe there's actually someone out there that can speak more than 6

but they'd be drowned out so much by all the fake polyglots

less than 6 is a bit more believable imo

especially since the youtube polyglots don't seem to think less than 6 is impressive enough to lie about

[plush pelican]

I've seen that one

[feral holly]

Also does "to speak a language" mean having language level of C1 or A1 😅

[uneven leaf]

personally I would say B2 but like, a good B2

[heavy grove]

You're based

[uneven leaf]

like, can live and work in the country without problems kind of B2

[feral holly]

Yeah, that's a good indicator!!

Which languages do you speak @uneven leaf?

[plush pelican]

What about like government documents? Don't you have to be a lot better than B2 to understand Amtsdeutsch?

[uneven leaf]

by my own definition of at least B2? 2

[uneven leaf]

I mean, you can be able to read those without being C1 and I think that's my main point

[heavy grove]

Afaik, once you're B2 in a language, you cannot really forget it

So, yes, it is possible to learn 6 languages

[feral holly]

Reading is a lot of easier than producing, so I'd see them readable as B2.

[uneven leaf]

B2 was when I realised that I could understand everything even if I still sounded like a bumbling buffoon when trying to speak or write

[heavy grove]

I cannot really say that much about the topic though, since I only speak 3

[plush pelican]

Everything?

All TV shows?

[uneven leaf]

I mean maybe not if someone was speaking with a heavy dialect

but yeah, all tv shows

[plush pelican]

😭 I guess I'm not even B2

[feral holly]

I speak 4 languages but just 3 of them at B-level.

[uneven leaf]

I went the tryhard route with my language learning xD

[heavy grove]

In that case, I speak 4 as well (counting my A2 German)

[uneven leaf]

only "finished" one non-native language so far, but by god did I do it well

[feral holly]

Which languages?

[plush pelican]

Wait, by "understand" do you mean, "I get the gist" or "I understand every word"?

[heavy grove]

Italian, english and Spanish

Pretty similar, I know

[plush pelican]

Those are 2 very different standards

[uneven leaf]

if I didn't "know" a word it was still very likely I would know what it meant purely on context, and I didn't encounter words I didn't know very often

[feral holly]

Hard languages tho. I don't see a lot of similarities between English and Italian but it might be my ignorance

[plush pelican]

Surely Italian has a lot of Latin-derived words that are therefore cognates?

[uneven leaf]

like, if I compare my japanese to that, I get the gist most of the time in japanese, but i don't understand every word, and I struggle with long monologues

so I wouldn't call that B2

[feral holly]

Good point. I'm not very familiar with Italian. It's a good languages and I'd love to visit Italy one day.

[heavy grove]

29% of english words comes from Latin, another 29% comes from French

Though, French and Latin vocab are about more complex topics, while the most common english words often have Germanic roots

[uneven leaf]

or maybe even B1, it's tough

[heavy grove]

Latin and Greek, yea

[plush pelican]

What's the difference for you between B2 and C1, then?

[uneven leaf]

production

[feral holly]

Swedish is a funny language since so many of its words come from German and English. You can basically guess a word and make it sound like Swedish with a good chance of success 😂

[uneven leaf]

B2 shouldn't have any troubles with understanding unless it gets really complex, so functionally in day to day life that should be the same as C1

you notice the difference in speaking and writing

[heavy grove]

It's not funny because of its vocab, it's just its unusual accent

It sounds a bit goofy, but I love it

[feral holly]

😂

[feral holly]

You must hear Danish...

[heavy grove]

Oh, I know... Believe me, I already know...

[uneven leaf]

actually, something I might add to this @plush pelican, I think it makes a difference in how much you have to concentrate for it

C1 should understand effortlessly, whereas with B2 I think it's reasonable if you still have to concentrate pretty hard to catch everything

[plush pelican]

I think the official description puts the levels somewhat differently than you

[uneven leaf]

probably, but it's all very subjective lol

my comparison is mostly around what I feel was necessary to pass the tests without specifically studying for the test

[uneven leaf]

aka you would study the language, and not just perfect the exact things needed for the test

[plush pelican]

Wait, how many tests did you take?

[uneven leaf]

B1 B2 and C1

[plush pelican]

Why?

[uneven leaf]

B1 was high school, B2 was required for admittance to the C1 course

[plush pelican]

Wait, they made you pay €300 to gain admittance to the C1 course?

[uneven leaf]

dude they made me pay like 850€ for the course itself

it's just kinda how it is

[plush pelican]

This is why I've yet to do an official course

[uneven leaf]

tbf it was actually cheaper than my uni fees have been since then, so yknow

[uneven leaf]

also idk, the way I read this it's pretty much exactly what I was saying

[plush pelican]

You said B2 = understand Everything

They say "understand a majority/most"

[uneven leaf]

I mean, what they're saying from what I can see is that you understand everything in daily life

they're just specifying what counts as daily life

[devout rain]

In this sentence
“Ausländer müssen abgeschoben werden.”
Why is werden at the end? Is it because it makes it into a passiv sentence in conjunction with müssen?
Can you say “Ausländer müssen abgeschoben” or + sein?

[willow socket]

Der Satz ist passiv, ja.

Die anderen 2 Varianten sind falsch.

[plush pelican]

So, compare an active sentence with and without a modal verb:

Ich spiele mit meinem Bruder.
Ich kann mit meinem Bruder spielen.

The modal verb takes up the position of the conjugated verb, and then the main verb gets pushed to the spot for verbs at the end

The same thing happens with passive sentences:

Das Haus wird gebaut.
Das Haus muss gebaut werden.

[willow socket]

jetzt stellt sich leider die Frage: wo hast du diesen Satz gefunden?

[plush pelican]

Schon auf Reddit gibt's viele fragwürdige Ansichten bzgl. Ausländer

und Reddit ist relativ linksliberal

[devout rain]

auf Tik tok gibt's ein Video:
"Heute fragen wir unsere Mitmenschen zum Thema Inflation"
"Was sagen Sie zum Thema Inflation?"
"Ich glaub Ausländer müssen abgeschoben werden ja"
sehr lustig loll

[willow socket]

alles klar

[golden tapir]

wie kann man den sprachkanälen beitreten

[delicate tiger]

faq limited permissions

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[willow socket]

'kein bisschen meines Kuchens' <-- richtig oder falsch? Falls es falsch ist, wie verwendet man 'kein bisschen' mit einem Nomen + Artikel?

[plush pelican]

Sounds right to me, 🤷‍♂️

[fervent kernel]

Kein bisschen von meinem Kuchen

[calm raptor]

hallo
@fluent/native speakers: would you say that "`deutliche Kratzer" to express that some object has "scratches that are clearly visible/distinguishable" is idiomatic?

[timber yacht]

"deutlich sichtbare Kratzer" might be better but "deutliche Kratzer" is probably used as well

[pine valley]

Hello is there an app that can get me started on learning german?

I feel a little bit lost right now🥲

[timber yacht]

check out the bot channel 🙂

try >faq begginer

try >faq resources

from the extensive resource list

[rich prism]

I just saw this video lmao

[pine valley]

Thank you🥹

[uneven leaf]

can I just say, I know it's not 100% relevant, but I keep seeing you use the word idiomatic for these questions

and I think that's hilariously ironic because it makes all of the questions themselves considerably less idiomatic

cause native english speakers essentially never use that word in my experience, as a native english speaker

[jade hawk]

Makes sense. It's not an everyday word, but one tied more to linguistics and whatnot. In everyday language you'd probably say something like "that's how people say X"

[uneven leaf]

or just "does it sound natural"

[willow socket]

Still, there's nothing wrong with using an advanced or uncommon word--I wouldn't even call it 'unnatural.' There's no need to drag language down to the lowest common denominator.

[uneven leaf]

still find it ironic lol

[calm raptor]

thanks

[calm raptor]

I think I started asking questions in this way because at some point I asked if X could be said as Y in German (and probably did an almost word-by-word translation from English to German), and someone replied saying that Y was not idiomatic
thanks for the feedback

[pulsar sand]

Wenn sie deutlich sind, sind sie auch sichtbar, “deutliche Kratzer” ist also als Bezeichnung mehr als ausreichend.

deutlich; Definition:

1. gut wahrnehmbar, scharf umrissen:
   “Hierbei handelt es sich um deutliche Kratzer im Lack des Autos”

2. in sichtbarem, spürbarem Maße:
   “Er/Sie hat eine sehr deutliche Aussprache”

[timber yacht]

Danke für die Belehrung...
Ich kenne diese Bezeichnung vor allem aus 2 Kontexten, einmal aus Beschreibungen von Unfallschäden, daneben von Verkaufsplattformen für gebrauchte technische Geräte, z.B. generalüberholte Handys. Dort existiert die von mir genannte Phrase so, wie ich sie angegeben habe und ist in genau dieser Form sehr gebräuchlich. Es gibt in beiden Fällen nämlich auch Kratzer, welche nicht gut sichtbar sind und trotzdem existieren.
Zudem war die Frage, welche Formulierung "idiomatisch" sei. So habe ich geantwortet.

Gib also dem Fragestellenden gern Deine Antwort dazu, aber disqualifiziere nicht meine, zumal Du auf mich in Discord geantwortet hast.

Meinetwegen können wir das aber hier beenden, ich wünsche Dir einen schönen Abend. 👋

[plush pelican]

At least in English, "clearly visible" makes perfect sense and is not redundant.

[hushed dawn]

Doch das wird immer komplizierter. So müssen die Teams in der aktuellen Saison an einem instabilen Hängegletscher vorbei.

i dont get the müssen vorbei

feels like a verb is still missing

or is it acceptable and correct ?

[willow socket]

Du hast recht, insofern als das Verb nicht explizit da steht. Dabei ist es aber impliziert, und du darfst es in solchen Fällen weglassen.

[plush pelican]

vorbei(gehen/fliegen/ some sort of movement verb)

verbs of motion are omitted sometimes, especially if 1) there's a modal verb already, and 2) there's something else in the sentence that makes it "obvious" that movement is involved, such as a 2-way preposition in accusative case (Ich muss in den Laden) or, here, a separable prefix (vorbei) that is used with movement

Hammer's German Grammar 15.1.2(f) talks about this

[hushed dawn]

got it , thanks a lot !

[plush pelican]

hin(gehen/kommen/fahren)
fort(gehen/kommen/fahren)

[plush pelican]

Is "Schaden" countable or uncountable?

Apparently, both "großen Schaden anrichten" and "hohe Schäden anrichten" exist?

Duden lists one meaning as "ohne Plural", but then the other 3 meanings seem to have a plural, and I don't see how the first meaning is all that different from the others.

I also don't understand when to use singular or plural for some of the other meanings.

[fervent kernel]

Imagine like a car front window destroyed that'd be a big damage, but then imagine like scratches on one door a tire popped, and a side mirror cut off, then it's multiple small damages

You can also use Schaden in an economic sense: a damage to the savings of a company

[plush pelican]

If a storm caused damage to a park, is that großen Schaden or große Schäden?

[fervent kernel]

It depends on your position

You can take all the damages together

For example the city might say "Ein großer Schaden ist entstanden"

While the person taking care of the park might see all the small damages

So it's just a matter of perspective and doesn't really matter that much

[plush pelican]

That's super weird how it can be countable or uncountable depending on how you choose to view it

[fervent kernel]

I mean you can think the city just got a big economical property damage

[fervent kernel]

I think the one meaning in Duden that's without plural is talking about Schaden as a concept, so not something that's necessarily manifested in the physical world

[fair plank]

hello, can I ask what is mal? i’ve seen of it but I don’t really understand 😞

[rich prism]

depends on context

[teal cliff]

"time" as in "one time"

it strongly depends on the sentence around it though.

[lavish solstice]

Hallo !
Is this correct sentence structure?

• Ich habe dich heute nicht gesehen.

[charred harbor]

Perfect German

[lavish solstice]

Thank you 😊 I'll keep working on my German

[plush pelican]

It can also be a modal particle, a "flavoring word", that adds a certain something to the sentence without necessarily being translatable into English

Search "modal particle mal"

[warped oriole]

Isn't it like many spaces and much space?

Many damages and much damage? 😂

[fervent kernel]

👍🏽

[plush pelican]

many spaces?

Have you got an example for that? On its own, it sounds weird, but maybe it makes sense in context

[warped oriole]

You got many spaces in your banking app to organize your money. Maybe like this? xD

I don't know if you would say that in english

[forest iris]

oh my, that building has so many parking spaces? maybe

[plush pelican]

many spaces in your banking app?

[forest iris]

i would use spots tho idk

[warped oriole]

It was a bad example sorry

[plush pelican]

I've also never used a banking app

[warped oriole]

In my banking app it's called spaces.

[plush pelican]

I never want my bank account to be directly linked to my phone

[plush pelican]

it's possible that makes sense, but I wouldn't have the context to know that

[uneven leaf]

my guy is either a millionaire or at least 60 years old

maybe both

[plush pelican]

or neither 😭

[warped oriole]

He's more german than I. He likes Cybersecurity.

[uneven leaf]

also maybe a better example, there are many spaces on a chess board

[uneven leaf]

he's more german than most of the germans I've met

and I've met a lot of germans

seeing as I've lived in germany for 5 years now

[warped oriole]

You met more than I did. And I was born in Germany xD

[uneven leaf]

lol

I've probably only met like a thousand or so germans

[plush pelican]

technically, "than I" is correct, but in English we tend to use "than me" because we think that the second noun should be sort of accusative case just because it's the second noun. (and in English, the first noun, the subject is before the verb, and the second noun, the object, is after the verb)

I'm taller than him (not he).
He's taller than me (not I).

[uneven leaf]

idk it's hard to just guess a number like that

[uneven leaf]

alternatively, if you add "to be" conjugated by person to the end of the sentence then you use nominative again

[plush pelican]

"He's taller than I am", you mean

[uneven leaf]

Argus is more of a stickler for grammar than I am

[plush pelican]

👨‍🏫

[warped oriole]

I know. I should just add an "am" at the end. More german than I am 😄
Is that possible to say?

[plush pelican]

yeah, "he's more German than I am"

[warped oriole]

I think it's stupid that english tends to use me in this case

[plush pelican]

I mean, when you don't live in the country, explicit learning is what you're mostly working with, rather than immersion and implicit learning

[plush pelican]

and I think it's stupid that German says "eines Nachts"

😄

Languages can't always be fully logical, because they're spoken daily by people

[warped oriole]

Yeah that's stupid xD

[plush pelican]

but, we can try to figure out as much of the logic as we can

[uneven leaf]

also, no one saw that typo

I swear I've been making more mistakes in english on this server than in german

[plush pelican]

I saw it, you just corrected it quickly

[uneven leaf]

shhh

the problem is I make the same mistakes in both, but when I make them in german three different people jump on me to correct it

and then I feel self conscious about the mistake

[plush pelican]

I've been having the weird experience of remembering the German term for certain concepts easier than the English one

[uneven leaf]

dude, you ask me to explain how a tractor works in english you're going to be very disappointed, but in german I swear I could hold a 10 minute lecture about it on the spot

[plush pelican]

...are you talking with a lot of Farmer-Bros in Germany?

[uneven leaf]

I can't even spell tractor ;-;

[uneven leaf]

I'm an engineer

[plush pelican]

ah

[warped oriole]

Eines (Tages) nachts?🤔
One day at night? Maybe it came from this but "Tages" just dropped? Does it make sense?

[plush pelican]

From what I've read, it bled over from the much more frequent "eines Tages"

[uneven leaf]

ok I'm on the complete other side to argus

we have to extrapolate this further

eines Monats let's go

[plush pelican]

eines Woches

[uneven leaf]

eines Sekundchens if you wanna be cute

[uneven leaf]

eines Wochenendes?

einer Woche doesn't sound cursed enough

it's not obviously genetiv

wait wait

what about eines Frühvormittags

or we could just start concatenating random words

eines Kurznacheinuhrnachmittags

[warped oriole]

When do we really say des nachts?

[uneven leaf]

after 6pm, obviously

/s

[warped oriole]

Ich meine, ich würde immer nur "nachts" sagen und nicht "des Nachts".

[fervent kernel]

Wenn dann schon der Nacht

[vivid merlin]

Hello could someone quickly explain what the difference between: Die Herrn und Die Herren?

[near folio]

Wo hast du die Herrn gesehen?

[vivid merlin]

In mein Deutsch Wortschatz.

[near folio]

Verstehe. die Herrn ist einfach eine seltene Pluralform von der Herr, es unterscheidet sich nicht in Bedeutung von die Herren.

[vivid merlin]

Ah OK, Wann verwenden Sie "Die Herrn"? Oder wird es nicht mehr verwendet?

[near folio]

Dazu finde ich nichts, nur dass es selten/vereinzelt ist. Ich würde es vermeiden und immer Herren nutzen.

[vivid merlin]

Ah ok, Danke!

[fair plank]

hello, do u guys have any recommendation how to improve my speaking what topic should i talk about, i dont really have a friend who speaks german

[rich prism]

You can find someone to practice with on #1065443550004781067

You can focus on basic topics, like hobbies, your family, favourite show etc

[past sentinel]

also what helped me in the beginning when I started learning a new language was talking to myself. This may sound a bit strange, but I talked to myself about what I had done that day or what I was going to do. It actually helped me a lot, even though I almost always said the same thing. But just repeating it and constantly saying the words/sentences helped a lot.

Later, you can of course just join the channels and try to have a few simple conversations, but if you are still generally unsure, you can start with the “easiest” thing, with yourself.

[fair plank]

thank you

[fair plank]

how long did it take u

[main flare]

Can confirm this is a goated strategy

It helps a lot with foreign accent reduction as well

[hushed dawn]

es erschließt mir der Sinn gar nicht.

im not sure if this is a formal / wrong / or unused phrase
its new and weird to me

is this how its supposed to be used ?

Die Bedeutung erschließt sich nur nach mehrmaligem Lesen

[past sentinel]

i speak to myself to this day. I think it's just important to start speaking 🙏🏻
It's like when you read something in your head, or you actually read it out loud. It is different. So is speaking. There is a difference between thinking about sentences, or actaully speak them. The more you do it (even if its just to yourself) the more comfortable you become.

[past sentinel]

"mir erschließt sich der Sinn nicht" is something you can say. I also said it couple of times, but it is not something you tell your best friend you know since childhood. Unless you come from a wealthy family, went to a private kindergarten and meet for tea in your palace on Sundays. (That's a bit of an exaggeration, but it's not a “normal” sentence to say in a relaxed atmosphere).

[hushed dawn]

Alright ,

thank you

[hushed dawn]

Annehmen = positive Dinge akzeptieren (Geschenke, Komplimente...)

Hinnehmen = negative Dinge akzeptieren. (Unglück, unangenehme Momente...)

is this correct ?

[whole portal]

Yeah I think that hits the mark

[wild plume]

for what kind of words is "das" used?

[rich prism]

neutral

[wild plume]

oh ok

[timber yacht]

It's higher register but not posh at all, could be an everyday sentence among academics.
Ordinary examples:
Ich vertehe den Sinn nicht.
Ich versteh' das nicht.
Was soll das (denn) bedeuten?!

The description you got is funny, though 😉

Extra special: "Ich versteh' nur Bahnhof."

[uneven leaf]

to add on, I think I've heard this exact sentence said in casual conversation by several late-teens to early-twenty-somethings multiple times

only at university though

[glossy cradle]

Wo finde ich das Fragenarchiv der C1 telc Hochschule? Where i can find the question archive of C1 telc Hochschule ?

[neat crater]

Why is it der?

[fair violet]

Genitiv Plural

[neat crater]

doesn't explain it

does putting a quantifier like thjat make it genetiv?

[compact pilot]

In this case yes. In German, when you talk about a smaller part of something bigger e.g. 2 of 4 you use the Genitiv.

To emphasize this you can also write the sentence like this "2 der 4 Großeltern meines Freundes sind tot" (2 of the 4 Grandparents of my friend are dead)

[uneven leaf]

to add something that might be helpful, I like to think of it as: if you can replace it with von + dativ then genetiv probably works too

it's not fool proof, but it works more often than not

and in this case as well, "2 von den Großeltern" = "2 der Großeltern"

(with small semantic differences that aren't important at this level)

[sacred heart]

Hätte man sich aber auch nie darauf verlassen dürfen ohne Kreuzprobe

Kann jemand mir die Grammatik dieses Satzes erklären?

Bitte 🙏

[verbal girder]

you cant post the same question in two places

any good reason why i don’t like how this looks? (how we‘re referring to das (Gast)haus with sein)

[uneven leaf]

have you learnt the posessive pronouns yet?

I'll give you a hint:

• feminine: Ihr
• masculine: Sein
• neutral: Sein

[verbal girder]

i was just looking for a confident yes/no

[uneven leaf]

you should be able to figure this out pretty simply, but I'll spell it out for you a bit more

das Gasthaus is a das word, so it's neutral

neutral words take "sein" in posessive

so in this case the correct word is "sein", which is also what's there

so you shouldn't dislike how it looks, that's just how it is

[plush pelican]

two of my friends' grandparents

the "of" is a hint there that you might need genitive when translating to German

An easier example:

Der Bruder meiner Mutter
The brother of my mother.

[plush pelican]

because you don't often use the possessive noun with neuter nouns

so you're not used to "sein" used with neuter nouns

Most of the time, it's a person who possesses a thing, and therefore you use either masculine or feminine stuff with it

So it's simply a matter of frequency and not being used to it yet

[verbal girder]

in english its also his/her/it‘s

even though in my native language it’s also the masculine possessive article for neuter noun

[whole portal]

its, no?

Other way around

[verbal girder]

lol

[fair plank]

hello pls help me😭😭 im losing braincells over this

“ich will von Hunden geliebt sein”
“ich will won Hunden geliebt werden”

is there a difference? they are both used in a passive voice, no?

they are both translated as i want to be lovd by dogs

[willow socket]

Zustandspassiv (mit sein) vs. Vorgangspassiv (mit werden)

[plain ruin]

I would say it can be translated in different ways such as:

1. I want to be loved by a dog.
2. I want dog to love me +- so
   The translation may not be correct, but the point is that these are two different passives. First one Vorgangspassiv with werden and partizip 2. Second one is Zustandspassiv with sein and also partizip2
   The difference between these two options is that Zustandspassiv like "present continuous" in english. An Action happens as it comes. But in Vorgangspassiv you receive or get something once and the action is already finished. In short first action is happening and second one is already finished.

[fair plank]

wowow thank you literally a life saver, i’ve been using chatgpt as a tutor

[plain ruin]

also a question, how do i get access to voice channels?

[stoic mauve]

@plain ruin, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[plain umbra]

Definitely don't use ChatGPT for that.

[mystic ginkgo]

« Ich will von Hunden geliebt werden » sounds more natural to me tho

[solar ginkgo]

was ist ein Mitglied GLaD

[south zenith]

GLaD = German Learning and Discussion, der Name des Servers

[jaunty jetty]

Perhaps my concerns can be asked here, so I found a picture of someone's message on the back of the Autogrammkarte from 1984 of a band from the former East Germany, I would like to know what the complete text is since I couldn't figure out some words on it

Dieses Foto (....) mit herzlichen Grüßen von dir (...) unsere Fans (....) uns (....) in der Tip-Disko und im DT-Metronom und nehmen (....) Kontakt auf mit dem Wahkonda-Fan-Club. Einfach (...) uns(?) Heike Maresch 4901 Dieterdorf

Wir sehen uns im April bei Stop!Rock!
Einfach eurer(?) Ralf

[willow socket]

von der Gruppe

ich glaube 'verbunden mit herzlichen Grüßen von der Gruppe'

[willow socket]

All unsere Fans ??? uns regelmäßig in der Tip-Disco und im DT-Metronom und nehmen brieflichen Kontakt auf mit dem Wahkonda Fan Club.
"Einfach nur so" über Heike Maresch (address)
Wir sehen us im April bei Stop! Rock!
Einfach nur so Ralf.

[delicate tiger]

4901 Dietendorf (Sachsen-Anhalt)

best guess for the last ??? "tippen"

[jaunty jetty]

Ich dachte "Alle unsere Fans tippen uns regelmäßig in der Tipp-Disco und im DT-Metronom"

For context: Tipp-Disco and DT-Metronom is a radio program for music and stuff, so back in the GDR they usually open up a voting/rating in the radio program for national hitparade later, so this "tippen" from what I understand is like "voting/rating" or discuss something similar to it (Sorry for a bit bad at explaning this thing)

Vielen Dank, Alle :)) Thanks for the help!
I find it very cute when he say at the end "Einfach nur so, Ralf."
Einfach nur so is one of their title song of the band and I love it so much.

[azure otter]

Is there a difference in these two sentences?
Ich kann keine Tomaten essen
Ich kann Tomaten nicht essen

Is it basically the difference between no and not in English?

[mystic ginkgo]

I can’t eat any tomatoes
I can’t eat tomatoes
Not sure rn tho, better if a second native would check lmao

[fervent kernel]

I think so. First one is the more common expression in German, and in English I think it's not that common to phrase it this way, but the semantic meaning is practically the same

[hushed dawn]

Hey Guys

Die Marsch, eine Gegend mit Salzwiesen und Sandbänken, dem Wattenmeer an der Nordsee ähnlich, wird Kya zur Mutter.

can someone explain the last bit of the sentence " wird Kya zur Mutter"
I dont understand this part and what correlation there is

[fervent kernel]

Can you send the whole paragraph?

[hushed dawn]

Letzter Titel für heute: „Der Gesang der Flusskrebse“, Bestseller-Roman der 76-jährigen US-AmerikanerinDelia Owens, der bereits verfilmt wurde. Hier wird die Lebensgeschichte von Kya erzählt, einem Mädchen, das einsam und allein im Marschland von North Carolina aufwächst. Die Marsch, eine Gegend mit Salzwiesen und Sandbänken, dem Wattenmeer an der Nordsee ähnlich, wird Kya zur Mutter. Während sich das Mädchen zu einer jungen Frau entwickelt, verschmilzt sie mit der Natur, wird Teil des Marschlandes.Dieses Buch ist eine atmosphärische Mischung aus Krimi, Liebesroman und Drama.

yes here

[fervent kernel]

Ah, da hast du deine Antwort: "Die Lebensgeschichte von Kya, einem Mädchen...", sie wird dort also Mutter

warte ne falsch geslesen 😂

Ok so it's just metaphorically, it's kind of like she finds a new home there @hushed dawn

[hushed dawn]

Ohh okayy

still struggling with vocab but will hope to reach that level of understanding easily one day 🙂

thank you

[south zenith]

More literally it’s like “it becomes her mother” Kya is dative here

Es wird ihr zur Mutter
Wird meaning “becomes” not “going to/will”

Zu etwas werden

[pulsar sand]

Du meinst bestimmt:

Die Marsch ist eine Gegend mit Salzwiesen und Sandbänken, ähnlich dem Wattenmeer an der Nordsee, dort wird Kya (zur) Mutter. 🤔

Oder: In der Marsch […] wird Kya zur Mutter.

[delicate tiger]

ne, was lilrejct geschrieben hat passt schon

[lilac moat]

Hallo. ändern und wechseln ist gleich ? oder gibt es da eine Nuance ?

[lilac moat]

Könnte ich bitte den Link haben?

[gentle gazelle]

https://hans-goettmann.de/edaf/wechseln.htm

[lilac moat]

danke

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe das auf dict.cc gesehen, und ich wollte fragen, ist es wahr oder ist est ein Troll 🤣

[willow socket]

google ist dein Freund

[delicate tiger]

"cum" is Latin for "mit", seems to be a financial term

[fervent kernel]

Ahh 🤣

[tulip abyss]

Hallo zusammen, warum wird in diesem Satz „auch“ verwendet?

"Die Leute mögen sagen, was sie wollen, ich glaube nicht daran, daß Frau Mathilde Samodeski an Herzschlag gestorben ist. Ich weiß es besser. Ich gehe auch nicht in das Haus, aus dem man sie heute zur ersehnten Ruhe hinausträgt; ich habe keine Lust, den Mann zu sehen, der es ebensogut weiß als ich, warumsie gestorben ist; ihm die Hand zu drücken und zu schweigen"

[maiden yacht]

Einfach um die Aussage zu bekräftigen schätze ich

[tulip abyss]

kannst du das genauer erklären?

[maiden yacht]

@whole portal ich bitte um etwas Unterstützung

[whole portal]

It just means "also" here?

[maiden yacht]

Yea

Not sure how to explain why

[whole portal]

1. I don't believe that she died from ...
2. I also won't be going to the house ...

[maiden yacht]

@tulip abyss

[tulip abyss]

Does he not want to go precisely because he does not believe?

[maiden yacht]

No

Also as in, in addition

Just like in English

[tulip abyss]

It sounds weird and confusing

[maiden yacht]

You're thinking too much about it

[tulip abyss]

+++

[maiden yacht]

I found it logical

[whole portal]

Because he knows better, he's doing two things:

1. not believing it
2. not going to the house
   he's listing both things and using also before the second

[maiden yacht]

It could have been omitted but without it the sentence would have been less strong

Idk how to explain it

[tulip abyss]

ahhh okay,

make sense

[tulip abyss]

thank u

[left ether]

Erlauben sie mir eine frage an sie Zu "richten oder stellen"

İch würde gern eine frage an sie "richten oder stellen"?

Darf ich eine frage an sie "?"

[dense wren]

Ich würde einfach sagen "Darf ich ihnen eine Frage stellen?"

[left ether]

Worüber andere?@dense wren

@acoustic tendon

[dense wren]

Ich würde die anders formulieren
"Erlauben sie mir ihnen eine Frage zu stellen"
"Ich würde gerne ihnen eine Frage stellen"

[acoustic tendon]

das klingt viel besser mMn

[left ether]

Wo kann ich richten verwenden?

Wenn ich mit "richten" eine frage zu erstellen

[acoustic tendon]

an jemanden eine Frage richten

[left ether]

Wenn ich eine frage an sie

Kann ich richten?

[acoustic tendon]

dann sagt man eher "stellen"

[left ether]

Okey

[acoustic tendon]

A: "An wen war die Frage gerichtet?"
B: "an dich"

[left ether]

Du hilfst mir vieler als meine deustch lehrerin

[pure oriole]

The increase of "viel" is "mehr" and "am meisten"

[mint osprey]

ur not german

speak only german in this channel please

Sprechen Sie in diesem Kanal bitte nur Deutsch

[tulip abyss]

okay

[acoustic tendon]

what?

you can speak english here

[whole portal]

Join date is today they're probably just trolling 🥱

[plush pelican]

Or they're confidently wrong

[balmy axle]

you can speak english and german here

[hushed dawn]

Mitarbeiter wollen die eigene Wirksamkeit erleben,mit ihrer Tätigkeit also etwas zum Besseren verändern: Kunden zufriedenstellen oder Mandaten vor Strafen bewahren.

Was wäre, wenn wir ‚bewahren‘ durch ‚schützen‘ ersetzen würden? Funktioniert das auch ?

also was ist denn der Unterschied dazwischen ?

[warped oriole]

• Bewahren: Hier geht es darum, etwas in einem bestimmten Zustand zu erhalten. Man bewahrt z.B. Erinnerungen, Traditionen oder Gegenstände auf.

• Beschützen: Hier steht der Schutz vor Schaden im Vordergrund. Man schützt jemanden oder etwas vor Gefahren oder Verlust.

Beispiel:
-Ich bewahre alte Fotos auf, um Erinnerungen an meine Kindheit zu haben.
-Ich beschütze meine Kinder vor Gefahren im Straßenverkehr.

-Bewahren = erhalten
-Beschützen = schützen

[warped oriole]

Also "vor Strafe bewahren" meint hier, dass der Zustand keine Strafe zu bekommen erhalten werden soll. Es soll so bleiben, dass Mandate keine Strafe bekommen.

[plush pelican]

preserve versus protect?

[fervent kernel]

How can I join the voice channels?

[stoic mauve]

@fervent kernel, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[hushed dawn]

Vielen Dank für die Erklärung

[warped oriole]

I think with the preposition "vor" it has a meaning that is quite similar to protect.
Vor etwas bewahren ≈ vor etwas beschützen.
But bewahren means preserve. Like aufbewahren.
In other contexts where you don't use the preposition "vor" it has the meaning of "erhalten". Ich bewahre meine Würde.

Ich bewahre meine Würde
Also bewahre ich mich vor unwürdigen Situationen.

[plush pelican]

how deeply confusing 😅

[warped oriole]

Ich finde, dass es Sinn macht.
Ich bewahre dich vor dem Tod.
I preserve you before the death comes. 😂

No I don't know how to make sense out of it.

[sacred heart]

Kann jemand mir bitte korrigieren?

[sacred heart]

Dankeschön
Kannst du mir auch erklären, was die richtige Antworten für die Fehler sind?

[delicate tiger]

"Zeiten", "Zusammensetzung" falsches Wort; "umstrittenen" aus versehen rot markiert; sonst falsche Endung

[sacred heart]

Und was sind die richtigen Wörter?

[delicate tiger]

Zei... - wird oft gelesen
Zusammens... - Vereinigung

[robust bear]

Ich verstehe es noch nicht ganz. Muss man die Fähigkeit Bilder zu posten auf diesem Server sich erst verdienen oder freischalten?

[plush pelican]

Du bist dem Server erst gestern beigetreten. Um Spam zu verhindern, hat man eine Weile nur eingeschränkte Rechte.

[acoustic tendon]

gilt so etwas als Fähigkeit?

[robust bear]

mkay

[jade hawk]

Wörterbücher geben mir so viele Möglichkeiten, "to make a fuss" auszudrücken
Theater machen, ein Getue machen, Aufhebens machen, einen Wirbel machen, einen Aufstand machen, Umstände machen, Tamtam machen, Fisimatenten machen, sich zieren, sich anstellen
Welche davon werden am häufigsten verwendet? Oder sollte ich unbedingt alle von ihnen erlernen?

[acoustic tendon]

also "ein Theater / einen aufstand machen" hört man sehr oft, "wieso stellst du dich so an?" ist auch sehr gängig, die anderen kenne ich nicht wirklich, also kann ich nichts dazu sagen

[old roost]

is Aussehen like Erscheinung but only for people while Erscheinung could be anything?

[upbeat thicket]

Aussehen = äußerliche Erscheinung; Aussehen can be used for everything 🙂
Erscheinung on its own can also mean some kind of apparition

[old roost]

I thought Erscheinung was also outward appearance, I guess Erscheinung is more like Auftritt?

[icy flax]

Darf ich da kurz einhaken?
Ist das idiomatisch bzw sehr natürlich?

Du siehst müde, nicht bei bester Laune aus
Du wirkst nicht in bester Stimmung

[upbeat thicket]

Das Erste würde man wahrscheinlich nur in geschriebener Form finden, eher weniger im Gesprochenen.
Das zweite würde ich so phrasieren: Du wirkst, als wärst du nicht in bester Stimmung.

Für das Erste würde ich sagen: Du siehst müde und nicht bei bester Laune aus

[icy flax]

Asoo, supi! Es ist wunderschön mit euch bei Korrekturen immer rechnen zu dürfen

Danke Dir!

[brittle jacinth]

heyyy
Is there any other way to say these sentences better? ( i need them for my CV)
-Insgesamt 12 jähriges Abitur ( Überspringen der elften Klasse im Jahr 2023 mit der Note 1.0
-Teilnahme an der landesweiten Aufnahmeprüfung im Jahr 2024 und Erreichen des fünften Platzes

Thanks :>

[upbeat thicket]

Ich bin über den Satz " 12 Jähriges Abitur " gestolpert - normalerweise wäre das im Lebenslauf einfach:

Schule XY, in Ort YX
Erreichen der allgemeinen Hochschulreife (Notendurchschnitt: X,X)

Ich wüsste ehrlich gesagt nicht, wie man das Überspringen darstellt, oder ob man es überhaupt erwähnt außer auf Nachfrage.

Zum Punkt 2 habe ich mich gefragt: Welche Aufnahmeprüfung? Würde schreiben: Teilnahme und Erreichen des fünften Platzes bei der landesweiten Aufnahmeprüfung (von XY) im Jahr 2024

[fervent kernel]

If I sent a formal message to someone and then he responded with an informal one
What should I respond with?

[brittle jacinth]

Thank you soo much for your answer.
i wrote my Abschlussnote once. but others told me to put emphasis on the 12 years ( cause the school system changed in my country and there is also a 11-year version)
and about the Überspringen, yeah i have to mention it because i went to school only 11 years and also I'm not 18.

can i send you the Akademische Ausbildung part? can you take a look at it ?

[pulsar sand]

If you used formal "Herr/Frau [Surename]" and they respond using your first name only, then it's fine to address them by their first name, too. Basically an invitation to use informal "you". If you instead meant that you wrote "Sehr geehrte(r) Herr/Frau" and they responded with "Hello Herr [Surename]" then you can decide if you want to stick to "Sehr geehrte(r) Herr/Frau [Surename]" or simply use "Hello [Surename]" construction, too.

[upbeat thicket]

Yeah sure, you can send me a private message 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Got it. Thanks

[old roost]

this Erscheinung sentences looks like Aussehen, is it also have the same meaning?

[willow socket]

Erscheinung und Aussehen können die gleiche Bedeutung haben (wie bei deinen Beispielen), aber 'Erscheinung' lässt sich auch anders verwenden.
zB Die Erscheinung Das Erscheinen des Bürgermeisters brachte die sich streitenden Anwälte zum Schweigen.

warte warte 😂 vllt habe ich das Erscheinen und die Erscheinung verwechselt

Ein besseres Beispiel wäre 'Erscheinung' im Sinne von etwas wahrnehmbarem. Da passt 'das Aussehen' nicht immer.

[old roost]

achso

[versed wasp]

Hallo, Bin ich der Einzige, der viel verstehen kann, aber wirklich Schwierigkeiten beim Sprechen hat? und wie kann ich lernen, schnell zu sprechen?

[fervent kernel]

Wie oft sprichst du?

Und wie übst du

[versed wasp]

Ich spreche nicht viel, weil ich kein Deutsche Menschen kenne, aber ich übe jeden Tag über YouTube, Wortlisten und mehr

[whole vale]

Ich finde immer das Zeichen "&" in alter Briefen und Tagebücher. Kann man es einfach als "und" verstehen?

Beispiel: Auch Monks House ist zu einer zerfallen Scheune geworden, &, wir haben im Abfallhaufen gepicknickt.

[meager kelp]

Hallo zusammen
Ich brauche eine Arbeit für Elektrotechnik. Ich komme aus Vietnam und hätte c.a 3 Jahre Erfahrung.

[celest trench]

Ja, & steht für „und“, beziehungsweise eine Verknüpfung von zwei Dingen.

Man liest „&“ als „und“ beim vorlesen

[celest trench]

Wie meinst du das?

[shut briar]

wie sagt man to push oneself auf deutsch? Dict.cc zeigt sich Vordraengen aber es wurde nicht erwaehnt, ob es figurativ ist oder nicht

Ich will das meiner Professorin sagen, also ich will mich akademisch "pushen"

[uneven leaf]

Vordrängen means something similar to „push forward through great resistance“ so I’d say it‘s mostly fitting in this case

Das ist ja halt metaphorisch gemeint in dem Fall

Es gibt aber sämtliche Möglichkeiten genau das auszudrücken

„Sich an seine Grenzen schieben“ hab ich auch mal gehört

Man kann das ja auch komplett anders ausdrücken, sowas wie: „ich will mich anstrengen“

Oder sich Mühe geben

[shut briar]

vielen dank!

[valid needle]

Wenn ich das Sprechen von Deutsch üben möchte, welchen Voice-Chat verwende ich bitte ?

[young forge]

I'm sorry if I'm using English, but does anyone know how relativeSätze work?

[plush pelican]

you're allowed to use English in this server. Only in like #german-only do you have to use German

[plush pelican]

This channel has a number of videos on Relativsätze. Check them out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHtLxUax7Qc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1nRBI9ylw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apc6LqSQU-4

[young forge]

Okay, thank you very much argus

[viscid nest]

Hello does anyone have any good german songs that i can hear and learn? or just some good german song in general (no rammstein since i got plenty already in my playlist)

[hushed dawn]

Exponat vs Ausstellungstück im Museum ?

[upbeat thicket]

bedeutet dasselbe, Exponat ist nur das Fremdwort dafür

[vast siren]

Hallo! I have a playlist setup with only German sung songs, I could send it to you.

[hushed dawn]

Okey, Danke

[hushed dawn]

Can you send me please ? I am also interested

[vast siren]

Of course, I don't know if y'all will like all the songs, but I'm sure there's something there for you. It's mostly softer rock with some indie and pop.
Should I get a link here or in the dm's?

[hushed dawn]

It's okay, I just would like to get an opportunity to learn more.

As you like you can send wherever u wish

[hushed dawn]

Es wirkt nicht die Scheinbehandlung an sich, sondern die positive Erwartung des Patienten.

so i have a question , one can use the dummy "Es" + verb + an sich in general right ?
Es funktionert nicht an sich,
Es versagt bei "X" an sich.
usw.

correct me if im wrong

[viscid nest]

Oh could you send it please thank you!

[radiant flint]

How is the word order in german is very different with turkish I can not create the sentence in my head, respectively, how is the verb subject subject predicate

[hushed dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_cxHx5FD4&list=PLKCEuz6wxDQkpEHEB85W2jlJzbStuBMft

Helped me when i started german a lot

[radiant flint]

Wo in der Schweiz spricht man welche Sprache? = for example in this sentence everything is in different places in this sentence I am so confused

in this sentence the verb is not in the 2nd position can someone explain this sentence one by one

[young forge]

Heyyy, I know it's a random request, but can you also send it to me :3

[vast siren]

No worries my german learning brethren

[pliant karma]

Ive never done great in learning languages and i started fresh in highschool to switch to German and i want to know what i should do in advance to tests and the best way to remember the tricky things that a lazy highschooler would forget

[vast siren]

My man try anki for vocab!

it is a spaced repetition software with flashcards

For me, in the beginning, I read about most of the grammar concepts in the diagonal just so I wouldn't be caught too much off guard, but I didn't spend too much time on it, After that I just tried to watch videos, even if I didn't understand much, and reading too, while doing 10-30 min of anki everyday (I had an hardcore phase, but then burnt out).
Of course, I am not enrolled in courses anymore, so I don't really have a deadline to make my grammar perfect.
My spoken german still kinda sucks, but in 8 months of studying alone I managed to go to germany for a week and hold conversations, so yeah, increase your vocabulary, because after that adjusting is much easier.

If you have Mac I don't know if anki is free, but there are similar softwares like Memrise out there, and tons of videos about their setup and whatnot. Have fun!

[pliant karma]

Thank you very much!

Danke 😉

[vast siren]

Ich bin einfach zufrieden, wenn ich nützlich sein kann!

[midnight falcon]

Dan sei es nicht

[feral minnow]

guys, do you always have to add (das die den) after “für”?

[plush pelican]

no

Ich kaufe Milch für meine Mutter

[feral minnow]

ok dankeschön

[hushed dawn]

Vorgabe vs Vorschrift
that is guideline vs regulation right?
But then what is the difference between them

[upbeat thicket]

Vorgabe is more like a verbal / written guideline, one is told in advance and one should follow but is technically not required to, whereas Vorschrift is mostly legally binding

at least that has been my understanding

Like: Die Vorgabe für die beste Note waren 20 Liegestützen in einer Minute. Das habe ich leider nicht geschaft.

Die Vorschrift besagt, dass man auf der Landstraße nicht schneller als 100 km/h fahren darf.

[hushed dawn]

Thank you !

[leaden niche]

is there any channel here to chat in deutsch for learning?

[willow socket]

#beginner-german #german-only und die VCs

[fervent kernel]

This server is only for native speakers

[pulsar sand]

W-Frage: "Wo" am Satzanfang, "in der Schweiz" präpositionale Ergänzung / Ortsangabe im Dativ, "spricht" = Verb 3. Person Singular an 2. Stelle, "man" Subjekt, "welche Sprache" Objekt des Satzes. Kurz gesagt: W-Wort, Verb, Subjekt, Objekt.
"Die Schweiz" steht im Dativ (der Schweiz), weil es sich hierbei um eine feste Ortsangabe "wo" und nicht wie beim Akkusativ um eine Richtung "wohin" handelt.
Die präpositionale Ortsangabe kannst du aber auch nach dem Objekt ans Ende stellen:
Wo in der Schweiz spricht man welche Sprache?
Wo spricht man welche Sprache in der Schweiz?

[brittle ridge]

A question for anyone who sees this, what's the reason you're learning German? :)
I'm just curious

[fiery chasm]

can I say "Ich steige die Steige ein"

[static wedge]

No

It doesn’t make sense

[fiery chasm]

how would it be correct

[willow socket]

was willst du sagen?

[fiery chasm]

I go up the stairs

[willow socket]

ich gehe die Treppe hoch // ich gehe die Treppe hinauf // ich gehe die Treppe empor.

aufsteigend sortiert 😄

[fiery chasm]

thank you

[charred harbor]

Oder “ich gehe die Treppe rauf”

[fiery chasm]

thank you both :)
it's incredible how many ways there are to say that, we in spanish have only one xd

[charred harbor]

Im Englischen auch

(Apples and pears zählt nicht)

[fervent kernel]

is it er arbeitet or er arbeit

[timber yacht]

Please don't ask questions in more than one channel 🙂

[fervent kernel]

if someone were to start learning German now then how shall they proceed and how much time would it take them to get to B2 level provided that person studies it daily for 1 hour
Thanks

[delicate tiger]

Please don't ask questions in more than one channel 🙂

[valid shuttle]

Hallo,
ich lerne gerade Kommasetzung, aber ich verstehe Komma bei Partizip Gruppen nicht.
Kann mir das vielleicht wer erklären mit Beispielen?
Dankeschön. 😊

[full socket]

er arbeitet

[reef moss]

Kommata bei Partizipalgruppen sind immer fakultativ

D.h. Man muss nie ein Komma setzen, aber man darf

Das Komma darf allerdings genau dann verwendet werden, solange ebendiese Gruppe am Satzanfang steht

[forest iris]

"Sie erinnert sich an ein Restaurant. " what does an do here

[delicate tiger]

"sich an etwas erinnern" is the construction

[wise pendant]

Its like "of" in "She thinks of a restaurant"

[forest iris]

thanks 🙌

[vagrant vault]

what's the usage of "da"

[plush pelican]

She thinks of a restaurant? not she remembers a restaurant?

[willow socket]

da can be an adverb of place, which basically translates to 'there'.
Ich habe vor 5 Jahren da gewohnt. (I lived there 5 years ago)

da can be a conjunction meaning 'because'.
Da ich in Deutschland studieren will, lerne ich Deutsch. (Because I want to study in Germany, I am learning German)

da can be paired with prepositions to make the so-called 'da'-compounds.
Das ist ein heikles Thema. Ich will nicht darüber reden. (That is a sensitive topic. I don't want to talk about it.)

[wise pendant]

It wasn't a 1 on 1 translation but just an example sentence

[plush pelican]

I see

Cause I've heard before that "erinnern" is somehow a cross between "remember" and "think"

[swift bough]

I don't think that is the best translation of erinnern..."she thinks of a restaurant" is more like "sie denkt an ein Restaurant." Erinnern always has to do with a memory, denken doesn't necessarily

[fair violet]

No guys they asked what "an" means in the sentence, but it's hard to explain with the English translation because "she remembers the restaurant" doesn't have any prepositions. So André compared it to an English sentence that HAS a preposition: "she thinks OF a restaurant." The "of" has a similar function in that sentence as the "an" has in the other one

[empty olive]

hey , My name is omar from Marroco , I want to do augnoptiker ausbildung , So if someone have some information , thanks

[slow oxide]

I want same thing

[delicate tiger]

TLDR: You need to find a company that is willing to employ you as an Auszubildender. Everything will be 100% in German, the customers you interact with, school and exams. If you are from outside the EU, the employer needs to prove that he was unable to find someone from inside the EU, but usually it's enough if the employer just claims that without further paperwork.

[wispy nexus]

Hallo zusammen, ich habe eine Frage. Wie benutzen wir der Präteritum und die Perfekt in Deutsch ?

[delicate tiger]

Kurzfassung: Präteritum/Imperfekt für Texte, Perfekt beim Sprechen

[wispy nexus]

vielen dank !!

[rain talon]

Hey could someone help me understand what the caller is saying in his story? I'm not sure I get it

What I understand is he was the only one to cook in his flat share and his roommate said that because he cooks, the trash can smells after 3-4h already so he had to put the trash in the freezer?

[plush pelican]

I think in Germany you usually have 4 types of trashcans for 4 types of trash, one being "Biomüll", aka "biodegradable trash", so like leftover food and stuff that rots.

He asked why they only have 3 trashcans, and the roommate said, "we use the freezer for the Biomüll".

He mentioned the thing about only him cooking because that meant that the freezer didn't fill up quickly with Biomüll, but at the same time, it also meant nobody else took it out, because it filled slowly and they didn't cook basically at all anyway.

I think the problem originally came from none of the rest of them cooking--they don't produce a lot of Biomüll, so then they never take it out, so it would stink up the apartment for a long time because the Biomüll trashcan wasn't full and they never took it out, and then they eventually decided to use the freezer as the "solution" to that problem

[rain talon]

Ooooh I understand

Thanks a lot for the explanation!

I'll try to listen to it again knowing that now

[uneven leaf]

actually something interesting to add, the different categories of trash are different in different states

and what counts as what is different in different places

so if you ever move to germany make sure to get familiar with the regulations in your area so that you don't get any fines for sorting your trash wrong

[gloomy tartan]

Sie lief neben mir, in der einen Hand meine Schultasche und die andere an meinem Arm.

Can someone explain why it's einen in this sentence? Why would we ever use einen for a feminine noun?

[willow socket]

der einen -- here, 'einen' is being declined like an adjective following the dative feminine definite article 'der'

[gloomy tartan]

Ah Jesus Christ man

[willow socket]

does it make sense?

[short token]

is menschen book good for ge t b2?

[plush pelican]

I know, that's why I said "usually".

There's one American family who moved to Germany and does a YouTube channel, they had something ridiculous like 12 categories of stuff.

[uneven leaf]

I'm not correcting you, I just think it's a useful addendum

pretty sure most places have some kind of Biomüll anyway

even if they don't agree on other things

[plush pelican]

On wait, it was 20 categories

https://youtu.be/w52srieBtls?si=u3Dk3ReP79t6xyVC

[gloomy tartan]

I don't really know. einen is declined like an adjective, okay, but is it an adjective? It just seems as if the sentence goes against the grammar rules...

[open ocean]

Hi

[willow socket]

“On the one hand”, “the one guy said X, the other said Y” — it’s similar to this in English. Sometimes we can use one after a definite article. When we do, it is declined as an adjective

[rancid osprey]

I’m looking to learn German back to square one after dropping it last year. I’m leaning towards using Nicos Weg as my primary source supplemented by Anki. Is that enough to provide a solid foundation or should I opt for additional resources?

[jade hawk]

Sind alle Substantive, die am Anfang "ge" haben, sächlich? Oder gibt es irgendwelche Ausnahmen?

[spare warren]

I would say most of them are but with many exceptions.
Der Gesang, der Gestank, die Gemeinde, die Gewalt, ...

[old roost]

"I forgot there would be a party"
What would be the best translation for the sentence?

for context the party is already over

"ich habe vergessen, dass es eine Party geben wurde" oder "ich hatte vergessen, dass es eine Party gab"

[uneven leaf]

my favourite way of saying it is "Ich hatte die Party nicht auf dem Schirm"

which is pretty casual

you can also say something like "Ich habe vergessen, dass eine Party geplant war" or "... dass wir eine Party geplant hatten"

[wispy nexus]

why's german always playing with verb places i hate it 😭

[full socket]

"Ich habe/hatte vergessen, dass es eine Party gab" is fine, your other attempt is not

Or even better "Ich habe/hatte ganz vergessen,...". Arelias Translations are on spot as well

[silent raven]

Meaning of "Vergessen"

[full socket]

forget

[silent raven]

In present tense?

[full socket]

ich vergesse, du vergisst, er/sie/es vergisst, wir vergessen, ihr vergesst, sie vergessen

[silent raven]

What is the difference of einen and einem? I know abt einen, but when shld we use einem

[old roost]

how about ...., dass es eine Party geben würde. The translation said so idk why they use konjungtiv 2

[full socket]

you can go to sites like pons.de and find full tables, by the way

[silent raven]

Yeah, I have an app which does the same thing

?

[plush pelican]

"einen" is masculine, accusative case

"einem" is masculine, dative case.

You should be learning about cases already. If not, you need to learn using something that actually teaches the grammar (hint: not just Duolingo.)

[silent raven]

What else will teach better grammar with a effective price?

[plush pelican]

Effective, or free?

[silent raven]

Es ist teuer nicht

[plush pelican]

Duolingo is freemium. You don't have to pay at all. But it also doesn't explain shit

[full socket]

If you forgot something, you knew it in the first place before you forgot it. You could say "Mir war gar nicht bewusst, dass es eine Party geben würde." in retrospective if you never had known there was one to happen

[plush pelican]

"Nicos Weg" is a course made by the German government. It is also free, but because they are interested in people actually learning the language, it's pretty good.

Nicos Weg:
A1 course: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789
A2 course: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519797
B1 course (in German): https://learngerman.dw.com/de/nicos-weg/c-36519718

YourGermanTeacher
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKCEuz6wxDQnM6p0MzAKc_stZHGW0tdCB

[plush pelican]

So I ran into this sentence:

Kiela war, als stürze ihr Plan einem Kartenhaus gleich in sich zusammen.

That to me looked like "gleich" is acting as a postposition, a preposition but nachgestellt.

So then I look it up on DWDS, which only lists 2 entries for "gleich": as an adjective, and as an adverb.

However, one of the adjective definitions is this

What does that mean? It's acting somewhere in-between an adjective and a preposition?

For what it's worth, Duden actually does have an entry for "gleich" as a preposition (but their only example there is vorgestellt, not nachgestellt)

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/gleich_genauso_wie

[willow socket]

No clue what part of speech it is but it means “the same/similar/like” and it’s normal to see it behind the noun being compared, which is in dative.

You can do it with ähnlich too

[plush pelican]

Ähnlich is an example of "sein + adjective" governing a noun. Hammer's German Grammar talks about that.

My sentence doesn't have sein in it, though, and Hammer's doesn't list "sein + gleich" as governing a noun in dative case.

Ah, wait a minute

Maybe it is an adjective governing a noun. But it says "only used in conjunction with sein"

[willow socket]

you can use sein and gleich, but you don't have to, to my knowledge. It feels very similar to the other examples listed (zuwider, zumute)...

but idk anything about the specifics of parts of speech. As long as you know how to use it or at least read it, it seems you've gotten the gist

[plush pelican]

"es ist mir gleich" is listed under definition four, not three 🤔

[willow socket]

well, that means 'I don't care'

right?

which isn't how it's being used in the hammer's example or yours

[plush pelican]

Yeah, but if it's listed in 4 and not 3... what's the usage in 3?

[plush pelican]

Doch

"das ist mir gleich" is exactly the Hammer's example

[willow socket]

be similar/like something. vs. to be gleich(gültig)
and yes, sorry, I misread the Hammer's example.

[plush pelican]

zumute is another thing I've seen a lot in my current book that I'm trying to get used to its usage

[willow socket]

is the question about the part of speech then?

[plush pelican]

Yeah, my original question is from a line from the book

[plush pelican]

.

The verb is "zusammenstürzen", not "sein"

These kinds of "sein + adjective governing the noun" things need sein usually, don't they?

Can I say, "Du hilfst mir meiner Mutter gleich"?

I somehow doubt it

But I don't understand the boundaries of how you're allowed to use this construction

"Die Straße biegt sich einem Bogen gleich um den Baum"

?

[willow socket]

Du humpelst meiner Oma gleich die Treppe hinunter.

[willow socket]

I think technically that is possible. Not super 'gewöhnlich' but why not?

[plush pelican]

I have no idea. I don't have a Sprachgefühl for this. I think we need a native speaker

[willow socket]

In general I don't think this is used that often. Especially in spoken german. It is way more common in writing, and it is just a 'fancy' way to make a comparison. I don't think it's that deep and I don't think the usage is that mysterious.

Much like 'mir ist [Emotion] zumute', which I have never in my life heard someone say aloud.

[plush pelican]

This book I'm reading has used it like 5 times in 100 pages xD

10 times total in 500 pages

[willow socket]

yes in books, particularly certain books where the writer or translator likes the expression, it is close to 'common'

but then some books it never shows up once 🤷

[plush pelican]

This is the difficulty of using books to learn

Some stuff is only used in novels and hardly IRL

And yet I see on like r/German reading novels being recommended constantly

[willow socket]

idk. sometimes I wonder 🙂 I try to think of something in English which is only used in writing. Sure, there are things that are way more common in writing than in spoken language, but nothing I can think of that you couldn't say.

I like using a larger vocabulary and sometimes 'literary' expressions in English, so even if it's not that common, I don't mind doing it in German either lol. Creative license.

[plush pelican]

I recognize that any individual word is not that important to know inside and out, that you can often passively get by with a rough understanding. But like...I am trying to be C1 or higher. I am trying to know things inside and out.

I could ask questions about any number of words where I roughly understand the meaning, but I am not sure about it precisely, or I know the meaning, but am not sure how precisely to use it myself in production. I have to start somewhere.

[willow socket]

yeah definitely a good goal. I don't mean you should give up, I just mean I genuinely think you've already understood this and the sentence you wrote above captures the spirit of etw. gleich.

Especially with highly specific words and expressions that are still 'schemenhaft', I think it's easier to get to know them better by encountering them again and again than by trying to analyse them logically. Also, a subjective tip: don't be afraid to try them out. That's how kids learn, too. By using a new word, overgeneralising, getting corrected, rinse repeat until they have internalised the proper context.

[plush pelican]

Here's another example:

Caz rückte näher an Kiela heran. »Hältst du das wirklich für klug?«

»Es ist auch nicht gefährlicher, als sich ohne die richtigen Zutaten an einen neuen Zauber heranzuwagen«, flüsterte sie zurück.

Multiple times now, they've said "sich an etwas heranwagen" and not just "etwas wagen"

I know that "heran" means something about approaching, and "wagen" means dare/risk/venture

But why heranwagen instead of wagen?

[willow socket]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/heranwagen
definition 2, I think the definition itself offers the alternative version with 'wagen'. I doubt it's a case of there being only 1 correct way to express this.

[plush pelican]

In the book, they've used heranwagen every time rather than wagen

[willow socket]

every time? wagen has a lot of other uses than just approaching a new task/challenge.

[plush pelican]

Ah, they had one time they said "Wie kannst du es wagen?"

[willow socket]

yes, and there heranwagen wouldn't work

[plush pelican]

Well, that's a sort of negative boundary of usage

So that's something

[willow socket]

personally, I think of it something like 'herangehen' mixed with the more daring nature of 'wagen' (emphasising the bravery and difficulty). To 'take something on' or 'tackle something'.

[fading vessel]

In meinem Kursbuch gibt es einen Satz: "Bevor Sie nicht herausgefunden haben, wie etwas funktioniert, geben Sie keine Ruhe". Ich denke, dass Wort "nicht" nicht nötig ist. Was meint ihr?

[plush pelican]

Is that the exact sentence?

[ivory whale]

i am having a memory issue when trying to speak German. if i have 2 verbs, and the sentence is not short, sometimes i forget the verb at the end. any tips for that?

also another question
Kann man ... sagen. is correct afaik.
Kann man sagen, .... . is that also correct?

[fading vessel]

yeh

[willow socket]

I know this is the boring answer to everything, but practice. It's very normal.

Kann man X sagen <-- correct
Kann man sagen, dass... <-- is correct, but somewhat different

[plush pelican]

You get used to it, partially because when speaking, you use shorter sentences anyway than when writing, partially just because when you get more experience with the language, you get used to holding the verb to the end.

[plush pelican]

🤔 Yeah, I'm not sure.

[ivory whale]

ty both

[plush pelican]

I've found an example of it in Tagesschau, the big news website

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/verbraucher/glasfaser-vertraege-haustuergeschaefte-101.html

[fading vessel]

Danke sehr

[plush pelican]

Wer zur Miete wohnt, sollte sich vor dem Geschäft mit dem Vermieter oder der Hausverwaltung absprechen. In jedem Fall sei aber die Haustür der falsche Ort für einen Vertragsabschluss: "Bevor Sie nicht etwas Schriftliches haben, was Sie sich in aller Ruhe durchlesen können, unterschreiben Sie nichts", rät Stumpf.

He who rents should discuss with the landlord before (doing such) business. In any case, the front door is the wrong place to sign a contract: "If you don't have something in writing , don't sign it" advises Stumpf.

This is related to some scam that was going around Germany a while back

Door-to-door salesmen trying to sell internet connections that the apartment actually doesn't have access to, or something. So you're stuck with a contract agreeing to pay a bunch of money for an internet connection that you can't actually make use of.

So yeah, if Tagesschau will print that, it seems like the grammar must be valid

But I agree with you that it seems confusing 😅

Seems like a double negative or something

[fading vessel]

Yeh

I wonder whether i can remove the word "nicht" in the sentence

[plush pelican]

I don't think so

I found it on DWDS

"wenn nicht vorher" = if not previously

[fading vessel]

oh i get it now, thnks a lot

[plush pelican]

I'd love a native to explain the logic of this shit

It sounds to me so much like a double negative from like deep dialect

"Before I ain't got the money, I ain't buy nothing."

@fading vessel I found it in Hammer's! And the extra "nicht" is unnecessary!

It's like "not... until"

It does say that the nicht is usually added if the dependent clause comes first.

[fading vessel]

thnks a lot, that really helps

[plush pelican]

I, too, learned something today, 😄

[bronze island]

I'm using duolingo, as well as a routine of reading a bit of German literature and watching German content with subtitles on. Is there any other sources recommended?

[plush pelican]

Loads. Check #resources

[bronze island]

Danke

[hushed dawn]

All dies bietet die bretonische Küste, die man auf Fahrten und Wanderungen erkundet, wobei Letztere allerdings so manch einen an seine Grenzen gelangen lassen

can someone explain the "so manch einen" ??

[plush pelican]

It's like "solch einen", right?

For some uses, it's not declined, because it's modifying "einen" or something?

wait

"einen" here being accusative of "man"?

Letzere lassen allerdings so manch einen an seine Grenzen gelangen.

The last things, however, bring many a person to their limits.

Something like that?

DeepL gives "although the latter can push some people to their limits."

[hushed dawn]

Is this Hammer ?

[plush pelican]

yes

[hushed dawn]

Thanks Argus

[plush pelican]

5.5.19

Worth pointing out

[fervent kernel]

Laden Sie noch ein Foto von sich.
Why is it "von sich" and not 'von Ihnen'?

[ivory whale]

i have a follow up,
Kann man sagen, "....." , does that work or need dass?

basically i want to ask a teacher if i can say that sentence, is it correct grammatically, or if the a word fits, etc.

[willow socket]

can you write out a whole example?

[ivory whale]

Kann man sagen. "Ich moechte tragen."

i don't remember the real examples so this is dummy one

[icy flax]

Hab mich sofort erinnert
5.5.19 oder

#questions-2 message

[icy flax]

To carry/wear what exactly?

[ivory whale]

nothing in mind, it is a wrong sentence. i am trying to ask someone if the following sentence is correct or not.

which would be
1.Kann man "ich moechte tragen" sagen?

and you would answer no, you need to add what to wear, the sentence is not complete.

so basically i am asking how to ask that.

Kann man sagen, "ich moechte tragen"
is that valid?
or only 1 is correct

and finally, is there maybe a better way for this?

[icy flax]

Ja! Bei Texten schreibe ich oft:

Leute, sagt man "ich möchte tragen" oder ist das eigentlich falsch?

Wenn ich im Kaufhaus bin, und habe ein super schönes Hemd gesehen, kann ich "ich möchte tragen" sagen?

@ivory whale

[ivory whale]

ty

[green oracle]

Kann ich "neulich" für Übung 2 und "gerade" für Übung 5 verwenden?

[willow socket]

Für 5 passt 'gerade', aber für die 2. Aufgabe hört sich 'neulich' komisch an.

[green oracle]

danke! und warum?

[willow socket]

'ja, er ist neulich gekommen' <-- neulich ist zu 'breit.' Da es um den Arbeitsanfang geht, ist es davon auszugehen, dass der Chef innerhalb von einer Stunde oder so gesehen wurde. Neulich wäre eher...innerhalb der letzten paar Wochen.

Bei Aufgabe 5:
mit gerade: du hast jemanden am selben Tag, vor (sehr) kurzer Zeit getroffen
mit neulich: du hast jemanden in letzter Zeit getroffen

[green oracle]

Ach so! Vielen Dank!!

[icy flax]

Das weiß er, weil manchmal er im Park arbeitet.
Sagen wir, man schreibt einen formellen Text und will "manchmal" bei einem Nebensatz betonen. Geht es so zu schreiben?