questions-2

[uneven leaf]

Rad fahren? really? isn't Rad just the thing you're riding?

I don't think this is it's own verb

[plush pelican]

https://mein-deutschbuch.de/trennbare-verben.html

[gusty silo]

i definitely say gerne not gern. there are a few such words that may or may not end in -e depending on the speaker. probably regional but i have no particular insight into the distribution

[plush pelican]

a very common example of this is "Fußball spielen"

because you aren't just playing, you're "playing soccer", it's a single concept

[gusty silo]

noun incorporation 😌

[uneven leaf]

for reference my german is heavily influenced by Badisch, so yeah

[plush pelican]

that's why you end up with the noun "Fußball" near the end of the sentence, because it's acting almost like a separable prefix

[wispy nexus]

how are you just a level B you sound like a native lol

[uneven leaf]

dude has some crazy sources out here

[plush pelican]

I recognize that that's probably a linguistics term, but I don't think anyone else has studied linguistics to know what you mean by that

(So please explain when you drop Fachbegriffe like that)

[uneven leaf]

ngl I literally never thought about it this much

[plush pelican]

There's a difference between knowing about grammar and being able to speak at a C-level, 😅

I don't have enough experience speaking to confidently call myself C-level

[wispy nexus]

ohh okayy

[uneven leaf]

yeah I'd argue they sound like the opposite of a native

how many natives can actually explain their language this deeply

you have to actually learn this stuff intentionally

[gusty silo]

it's basically this; incorporating a noun into a predicate to refer to a more generalised (form of the) action

[plush pelican]

"predicate" being also a linguistics term...

[gusty silo]

its school grammar for us

[plush pelican]

well, it wasn't for us in 'Murica

[gusty silo]

substitute 'verb' here

gotcha

[uneven leaf]

this is what learning german by actually speaking it gets me 😭

I would've used that concept perfectly fine but I don't think it would've ever occured to me that it exists

[plush pelican]

so noun incorporation is when you incorporate the noun?

I know I'm singling you out here a lot, but you gotta work on your explanations, man.

[midnight cedar]

fr my native husband doesn't know shit about German grammar rules

[gusty silo]

you explained it, didnt you

:p

[plush pelican]

I'm just saying, when explaining to learners, you gotta break shit down for them to understand, it would help people more.

[gusty silo]

to be sure, i was not intending to explain anything with that comment though

[plush pelican]

okay

[static falcon]

Which dictionary do you think is the best? Dict.cc, Leo, Linguee?

[near folio]

I start with Leo and use the others if I am still unsure. Although nowadays I just look up the words in German dictionaries like wikitionary and dwds.

[static falcon]

Thanks a lot!

[uneven leaf]

These days I still use Leo

And I look up words the other way sometimes too, like when I know what a word is and what it means in German but I‘m not sure in English

Leo is great

[glass gust]

what differs on dictionaries?

[fervent kernel]

hello ı cant access voice chanels how can ı access?

[stoic mauve]

@fervent kernel, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[vague hull]

hello i translated a sentence, that was needed for my homework. i need to ask a question and i translated "who wished, that they go to hawaii", and the translation is "wer wollte, dass sie nach hawaii gehen"

my question is - why is that dass there? in my mother tongue the dass that translates to that but i cant imagine how a that (with the meaning of dass) could fit in the sentence.
does anybody understand what i mean or is it too confusing

[plush pelican]

do not ask the same question in multiple channels

[vague hull]

okay sorry

[plush frigate]

why are not there articles?

are there any rule?

cause I just know in English

[plush frigate]

[delicate tiger]

No article when you are talking in general ("ich möchte Zitronenkuchen essen")

[plush frigate]

ahh okay

but when talking Specifically-we use The-der-right?

soo when is a-ein?

Ich möchte nach hause gehen

why is "gehen" last

if verb should be always second

"möchte"-is second, but what is "gehen" now?

@delicate tiger

[delicate tiger]

conjugated part of the verb at position 2, infinite part of the verb at the end

[plush frigate]

yaa it is modal verbs thing, right?

[plush pelican]

the two spots for verbs are always there

[plush frigate]

yaa I read in google

[plush pelican]

Ich habe mit dir gespielt.
Ich möchte mit dir spielen.
Ich werde mit dir spielen.
Ich werde mit dir gespielt haben.

[plush frigate]

modal + infinitive

danke

[plush pelican]

Ich darf mit ihm gespielt haben.

This one is more advanced, it's the "subjective meaning of modal verbs", but that's like a B2/C1 topic, very advanced.

[plush frigate]

yaa, I am on A1

but nvm, I'll learn

[plush frigate]

halte

das is Vergangenheit

I know that

oooh wait it is not just past

but 3rd form plus haben=infinitive

oooh, wait, no, first I'm gonna learn

A1

words

yaa, this better

[plush pelican]

You aren't always talking about the past just because you see a verb in the Partizip 2 form (the "gespielt" form)

[plush frigate]

ah

[plush pelican]

This is, again, probably a bit advanced, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it

But like

Das Haus wird gebaut = the house is getting built.

That's passive, and it's talking about the present

[plush frigate]

pls tell, I am interested

5 time. 1 present. 2 past. 2 future

soo that is 1 past right?

[plush pelican]

no

it's passive voice

which is separate from the time tenses

[plush frigate]

oooooohhhh

I know

don't worry

[plush pelican]

you can do passive voice in all time tenses

[plush frigate]

i know i know

passive like

"game is finished"

[plush pelican]

Das Haus wird gebaut. = Präsens

Das Haus wurde gebaut. = Präteritum

Das Haus wird gebaut werden. = Futur 1

[plush frigate]

in english

[plush pelican]

There's also like Futur 2

Der Junge wird seine Hausaufgaben gemacht haben.

You see that Partizip 2 form of the verb again (gemacht), but here it is actually a guess about what has happened.

[plush frigate]

yaa I know that

that future 1 is about probability

[plush pelican]

so yeah, not every time you see "Partizip 2" is it the past

[plush frigate]

liek that would have happened

[plush pelican]

In my previous sentence

[plush frigate]

ya ya

thats passive

[plush pelican]

Ich darf mit ihm gespielt haben.

[plush frigate]

that is not active

[plush pelican]

I may have played with him

[plush frigate]

oooooooohhhhhhhhh

future 2

you had to say it

oooh, well first

gonna study A1 words

then I'll do interesting jumps

in those grammar

[plush pelican]

👍

Like I said, this is an advanced topic

[plush frigate]

ya ya

no problem

[woeful patrol]

Hello everyone, I'm trying to learn German until B1 starting from A1 (I already know a little from living here in Germany) but I'm trying to figure out what resources I should study from. I used to study from the A1 level videos from LearnGerman on YouTube with their easy worksheets but I always had a doubt that these videos alone would help me truly become more fluent (if there are resources already posted in this server somewhere just tell me because I'm new here) and thank you

[plush pelican]

These are Nicos Weg, a free online course from the German government:

A1 course: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789
A2 course: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519797
B1 course (in German): https://learngerman.dw.com/de/nicos-weg/c-36519718

[woeful patrol]

Are these courses alone sufficient to teach me everything I need or do I also need to learn from other resources while doing this course too?

[plush pelican]

other resources always help

there's no reason not to use other resources

But these should help give you structure

[woeful patrol]

What else should I study?

[plush pelican]

#resources

there's an entire Google Doc full of resources, dude

[elfin scroll]

How common is it to pronounce the t as a glottal stop in german? For example pronouncing [-ʔn] at the end of arbeiten, bedeuten etc instead of [-tn], [-tən]

[errant marsh]

extremely common I’d say the e in machen is not even a schwa colloquially and is omitted altogether

its very common to hear
das werd ich machn

or arbeitn

some southern dialects use gmacht gschaft instead of gemacht / geschaft

[digital berry]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen etw hängt von etw ab und etw. steht und fällt mit jdm / etw.? Ist das zweite formaler?

[elfin scroll]

No but I mean the t becoming a glottal stop like arbei'n

[errant marsh]

no

I’ve never heard that

[upbeat thicket]

I actually pronounce it that way

I'm from southern Germany but don't know if there is any correlation

[merry raven]

If voice-msgs would be available in servers this would be so much easier

[lean ravine]

kind of, but the n will be pronounced a little differently to imply that there should be a t there

[lean ravine]

do you mean etwas steht mit etwas im Zusammenhang?

for me the tongue position is the same but the air comes from deeper down than it would with a normal n @merry raven

[merry raven]

Yea exactly

Not beeing able to explain stuff like this as a native makes me feel like a dumb dumb sometimes xD

Its so hard to explain something that i never think about

[limber atlas]

I’m a native English speaker but don’t ask me to explain English

Happens to the best of us

[warped oriole]

In the case of machen and machten. Isn't it like for machen you reach the tounge position for n a little bit later than for machten? Both mach'n.
Can you explain how the difference between machen and machten (in the short form) does arises?

[lean ravine]

ohh

those are pretty interchangeable, but "etwas steht und fällt mit jemandem" is so rare you´ll never hear it

[lean ravine]

hmm not really that´s difficult to explain

the t almost becomes a minecraft villager noise

[plush pelican]

Just go to Vocaroo.com and record a message there, then link the URL here

[warped oriole]

Pretty much yes xD

[inland escarp]

Hallo zusammen, mein Name ist Olivia, ich komme aus Singapur und lebe jetzt in Nordirland. Ich möchte unbedingt Freunde aus Deutschland haben, ich bin 35 Jahre alt. Komm und sei mit mir befreundet

[errant marsh]

hallo, nordirland?

[cosmic rain]

whats ur question? what it means?

[spare jay]

Looks like scam tbh

Joined Discord today

[cosmic rain]

yeah probably

[chilly forge]

Hallo und guten Tag!

Wissen Sie, wo ich mich für fsj bewerben kann? Ich bin derzeit 18 Jahre alt und würde mich gerne im medizinischen Bereich oder im Gesundheitswesen bewerben.

[night dagger]

#1033125270217048246

[dense oriole]

same question as other guy, is this sufficient? its from the perspective that I need 'good german spoken and written, and excellent english skills'

assuming excellent = c+ ? so good should be b+?

[plain umbra]

We usually recommend to try to use quite a few resources. There's no real guide to how many is the right amount, but 1 resource is generally never enough. And you have to adapt what resources you use and how you use them over time, as your skills increase.

faq best way to learn

[stoic mauve]

Best way to learn German

There isn’t only one “best” way to learn German, especially since different methods work better for different people. However, this FAQ will outline the main aspects of learning efficiently, which you can cater to your needs.

If you’re a beginner, type >faq beginner in #botchannel to see our beginner guide.

Cover all skills

There are many combinations of activities you can use to study and practice a language. How do you know which combinations are suitable? The key is to make sure you cover each of the main skills with at least one activity. Some activities only train one skills, while some train multiple – either is fine, as long as all the 6 skills are covered somewhere in your studies.

The skills

• Reading
• Writing
• Listening
• Speaking
• Grammar
• Vocabulary

Which resources should I use?

It doesn’t really matter which resources you use, as long as you can follow along, and the information is correct and reliable. If you have any doubts about whether a resource is correct, feel free to ask. You do not need to find just one resource and stick to it – in fact, to learn best, it’s recommended that you use a large variety of resources and switch between them when needed.

Type >faq resources in #botchannel to see our list of resources.

On the next page

• Should I study all these skills every day?
• How much time should I dedicate to studying?

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[plain umbra]

Check out this for some general advice.

[dense oriole]

thank you!

[plush pelican]

In that case, no, because of course the courses only cover through B1. So you definitely won't be B2/C1 by the end of them

But these courses aren't the only thing you can use

It's just a very useful, guided start

Once you get up to B1 level, you can start watching YouTube videos and reading websites in German that explain more advanced concepts.

And of course, #resources has tons of resources

[icy flax]

vocaroo does the job

[plush pelican]

I said that already, 😅

[icy flax]

Sure you did. Did you get offended in any way? I'm sorry if you did.

Could @elfin scroll, @upbeat thicket and @errant marsh, do you also speak like this? https://voca.ro/196s6OennTFR

I would call it a glottal stop and I'm highly interested in pronunciation, whether there is a distinction between the south and the north regarding to these "mach'n" and "arbeit'n"? Once a German said I sounded like an austrian because iirc I was joining syllabels weirdly: "Wo-che-nen-de" instead of "Wo-chen-en-de".

[upbeat thicket]

First of all I can't really tell if that's a glottal stop, as the emphasis of "arbeiten" in your recording was off. But when I say "arbeiten", there is a clear glottal stop between t and n, whereas in "machen" there is none which is interesting. But I tried saying "machen" with a glottal stop, which just created an awkward stop inbetween the sylables..

But yeah saying Wo-che-nen-de is kinda weird

[errant marsh]

morphologically i can see how that could be said as woch-/nende like omitting the wochen aspect of it

[hushed dawn]

sich ergeben vs entstehen ?
Doesn't both mean to arise/emerge ?

Aus der Verhandlung ergab sich ein Kompromiss.

For example this, can i replace it with entsteht ?

[lean ravine]

ergeben means “equals” as in 1 + 1 ergibt 2, something similar to „making“ as in „das ergibt Sinn“ or giving up when the police found you “Ich ergebe mich“

Entstehen means rise/emerge

So here it’d be similar to making even though not quite..
Aus den Verhandlungen entstand ein Kompromiss is possible but not too common… other verbs just fit better

[hushed dawn]

so it may be like one is active and one is passive ?

and thats why it makes more sense to use "ergeben" here ?

[icy flax]

oh, trueee, it is the "A"-beit'n, correct ||people tell me that all the time and I keep forgetting||?
Can you record you saying in the most natural form you speak "wir machen es, wenn wir arbeiten"?

[plush pelican]

What about "yield"?

Ich ergebe mich = I yield myself (to your custody)

das ergibt Sinn = that yields (produces) sense

[lean ravine]

I haven’t heard it in these context before but if you can say it like that sure why not

[plush pelican]

I mean, to be fair, "yield" is a bit of an uncommon verb in English

But it does seem like it matches up with ergeben relatively well

[lean ravine]

Well vibe wise for sure… one would be more of a „resulted in a compromise“ and the other one „a compromise has been created“

[plush pelican]

Which one is which?

[lean ravine]

Not in drivers license terms at least :D

[lean ravine]

Ergeben is resulted

[plush pelican]

So it's more passive?

Or what do you mean by those wordings?

[lean ravine]

I can’t tell if it’s because it’s more passive or because it’s just less common tbh, you should consult with other natives

[upbeat thicket]

https://voca.ro/1iE44RYhTVUU

I hope that helps

but idk if I'm the best example bc I speak on a dialect continuum so my pronunciation is switching depending on context but that is how I'd say it "naturally"

[plush pelican]

Which dialect?

[upbeat thicket]

Westmittelbairisch

Why are you astounded haha @plush pelican

[plush pelican]

it's fun to see where everyone's from

I don't think many people on the server are from Bavaria, or at least, they haven't said so

[upbeat thicket]

Yeah true, I haven't ever met someone on here that speaks my dialect; @teal cliff 's dialect is from the same dialect group at least

The swabian / swiss people normally dominate #dialects haha

[teal cliff]

hola

I have been summoned

[teal cliff]

Schau Mal geschwind auf deine friend requests pls

xD

[tight sphinx]

how does this sentence sound? "Frau Nehm fährt viel Fahrrad, denn es hielt sie fit." (Ms. Nehm rides her bike a lot, because it keeps her fit.)

[plush pelican]

viel = much (quantity-wise)
oft = often/frequently

[tight sphinx]

ik but it's what the book started the sentence with lol

i had to complete the "es hielt sie fit" part

[plush pelican]

really?

🤔

[tight sphinx]

yeah...

i'll take a pic

[plush pelican]

Well, one of us is wrong: me, or the book 😅

[tight sphinx]

mistakes happen

one way to fix it though, you gotta reprint the whole thing

😂

[plush pelican]

For your part, "es hält sie fit", I think.

"hielt" is Präteritum

[tight sphinx]

i see

dict.cc's inflections are a little confusing

[plush pelican]

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-halten.html

Try that site

[tight sphinx]

i guess i should've went with what DeepL gave me at first lol

could you help me on the last sentence please? "Steffi möchte unbedingt in die Disko gehen, denn..."

[plush pelican]

What does it translate to?

[tight sphinx]

what comes to mind is "sie liebt Musik sehr viel"

[tight sphinx]

Steffi absolutely wants to go to the disco, because...

[plush pelican]

What does one do in a disco?

[tight sphinx]

...lol

she likes to dance

so

"...denn sie liebt tanzen"?

[plush pelican]

pro-tip: if you talk about "liking" an activity, use the verb, and add on the adverb "gerne", which is kind of like "gladly"

If you talk about "liking" an object, you can use "mögen" or "lieben"

[tight sphinx]

oh right

[plush pelican]

Ich mag Schokolade. = I like chocolate.

Ich esse Schokolade gerne. = I like eating chocolate, literally, "I eat chocolate gladly"

[tight sphinx]

sorry i only recently finished a2 lol

thanks!

Also "Sie möchte unbedingt in die Disko gehen, denn sie tanzt gern"

[plush pelican]

look up the conjugation of "tanzen"

[tight sphinx]

ah

[plush pelican]

nope

that's Präteritum again

you want Präsens

[tight sphinx]

dict.cc keeps lying to me

i'll just use that site

[tight sphinx]

yep

[plush pelican]

it isn't lying to you, it is telling you the Präteritum version and you keep wanting to use that for Präsens for some reason

[tight sphinx]

i guess i should check what it gives me before using it lol

[plush pelican]

That is, in order:

1. the infinitive version of the verb
2. the Präteritum version of the verb
3. the Partizip 2 version of the verb, aka the version used with Perfekt

[tight sphinx]

i see

[plush pelican]

at no point is Dict.CC telling you the Präsens version of the verb, you need to look that up elsewhere

[tight sphinx]

like on reverso

[plush pelican]

yeah

[tight sphinx]

btw

i'm a little confused about adverbs like gern, when do i use gern and when do i use gerne?

[plush pelican]

both are fine

"gerne" was the original, but people started dropping the -E as part of a long-term change

and now both are equally acceptable

[tight sphinx]

ah

i thought it was gonna be something about the gender of the object or smn lol

or maybe whether the verb is dativ or akkusativ

[plush pelican]

If it is used as an adverb, it doesn't decline (doesn't change its suffix)

adjectives that come before a noun, those decline

[tight sphinx]

mhm

aight cool

vielen dank! 👍

[plush pelican]

@tight sphinx Asked some natives, apparently "viel" does work here. One person said the "viel" implies something about going a long distance with the bike, and that it's not necessarily to do with how often you ride your bike.

[tight sphinx]

i see. i guess if you translate it literally, it does give that meaning

i'll write that down, thank you!

[lean ravine]

yep that works

There is a famous German saying that goes "Viel hilft viel."

Where both viel cases are used

[plush pelican]

There was some question, though, about which meaning it has

It seems like it might depend on the verb and if the verb accepts an indication of quantity

[lean ravine]

I saw the sentence, with "viel Fahrradfahren"

[plush pelican]

For example:
Ich kaufe hier oft vs. Ich kaufe hier viel.

Ich trainiere viel vs. Ich trainiere oft.

[lean ravine]

I mean you can put it pretty much before any action verb, viel schwimmen, viel klettern...

[plush pelican]

Ich trinke oft vs. ich trinke viel.

[plush pelican]

But in that case, does it indicate frequency, or distance?

[lean ravine]

frequency

[plush pelican]

Some disagreed

They said, "Ich fahre viel Fahrrad" = I ride my bicycle long stretches

[lean ravine]

well actually

[plush pelican]

whereas "Ich fahre oft Fahrrad" = I ride my bicycle frequently

[lean ravine]

yea no that´s frequency

[plush pelican]

no, that's distance

[lean ravine]

but you could say something like "Heute bin ich echt viel Fahrrad gefahren." Where it means that you were riding your bike for a long time, hence over a long distance

[lean ravine]

no

Ich fahre viel Fahrrad mean I ride my bike a lot

it doesn´t say anything about distance

[plush pelican]

Here is one such answer I got:

ja bei viel würde ich auch so denken "ah der fährt 200km die woche" und bei oft "ah der fährt jeden zweiten tag

Some people said that the two were identical, some said "viel" is about distance and "oft" is about frequency.

Some seemed to vary between the two camps, depending on which verb was used

[lean ravine]

well okay that´s arguing that when you ride your bike a lot you also automatically ride a long distance...

[plush pelican]

Which one do you view "ich trainiere viel" as?

[lean ravine]

that you exercise multiple times a week

still frequency

[plush pelican]

The one guy said it had to do with intensity there

not frequency

[lean ravine]

interesting

[plush pelican]

but then another guy said

[lean ravine]

well you could also do something a lot but only for short periods of time though...

[plush pelican]

as an answer to "Trainierst du häufig?"
"Ich trainiere viel" would work

so a sort of context-dependent thing

[lean ravine]

the thing is if it were to imply distance, it should be interchangeable with "Heute bin ich weit gefahren", which it is not

that´s why I don´t think it means that exactly

[plush pelican]

So you're saying for you, "Heute bin ich viel gefahren" means I drove/rode a lot today?

There may also be regional differences in this, you know

[lean ravine]

yes of course, that´s what viel means :D

And the only way to interpret distance if you´re saying that driving a lot in a day automatically means you drove a long distance

[plush pelican]

I mean, people can interpret stuff differently. German has regional differences in how words are understood

[normal cove]

I have a question please, why is the verb in the following question placed at the end of the sentence? "Bitte, nicht mit dem Fahrer sprechen"
In other words why isnt it not "bitte, sprechen nicht mit dem fahrer"

Thank you in advance

[plush pelican]

Imperative is the form you use to give people commands

It normally has the verb conjugated to match who you're commanding, with the verb in position 1

Sei ruhig!

Machen Sie die Tür zu!

Helft uns!

however, it turns out there's another version of imperative

One that is less demanding and more general/abstract

For this form, you put the verb at the end instead of the front, and you leave it in the unconjugated infinitive form (sprechen)

Unconjugated because it's sort of a general request not directed at anyone in particular

And in that way it's also a bit softer

You'll see this form on signs, for instance

[normal cove]

Thank you sooo much

[warped oriole]

But how is it in english? I drove a lot today. Is it distance/time or frequency?

[hushed dawn]

isn't ergänzen = to complete something ?

Why is in one of exercises "Aufgaben erledigen" considered correct but ergänzen as wrong ?

Oder werden wir gar mit einem Cocktail in der Hand unsere Aufgaben unter Palmen ____.

this sentence here,where it was asked to fill in the blank

[delicate tiger]

usually supplement / amend /complement

[hushed dawn]

Okay

.... ,da beim Greenwashing nicht die Natürlichkeit von Stoffen falsch dargestellt wird, sondern inhaltsstoffe mit dem inhaltsleeren Begriff ,, natürlich'' bezeichnet werden.

This was an explanation of a question answer; I don't get it , to me they are the same

[plush pelican]

It depends on the verb, and even then it can be ambiguous.

"I drove a lot today" to me could mean either many times or a large distance

"I trained a lot today" probably intensity, but not sure 🤔

Here's an interesting one:

"I buy here a lot" I buy here often.
"I buy a lot here" I buy a large amount here.

[plush pelican]

Is this a correct description of it?

ganz = whole/complete

ergänzen = to make whole (by filling in the part that is currently lacking).

Think of a brick wall missing some bricks. You make it whole by putting in the missing bricks.

[hushed dawn]

Very helpful , Thank you

[warped oriole]

In german the word order is swaped. 😄
Ich kaufe viel hier. (Often)
Ich kaufe hier viel. (Amount)

[warped oriole]

But you could propably say it how you want as long as the context is clear. Both sentences could mean both.

And it's always better to use oft/often in german and english instead of viel/a lot.

[hushed dawn]

is junkfood commonly a used term in german or is "fertignahrung" used instead ?

[warped oriole]

Fertiggerichte is something you just have to put in the oven or microwave for example.

Fertignahrung isn't something you would say.

Fastfood is a widely used term. Junkfood maybe not that much but you can say it.

[humble river]

(I'm sorry if I'm asking this on the wrong channel.) Does anyone have a collected list of topics (and possible questions with answers) that can be on Goethe Institut's B2 verbal exam? Or anything similar? Topics with questions, maybe a vocabulary list, anything like this?

[humble nymph]

erlauben oder dürfen? which is more appropriate to use?

[lean raven]

“Darf ich draußen spielen gehen?”
“Ja, Ich erlaube es dir”

[humble nymph]

ohh vielen dank

[lean raven]

Kein Problem

[vagrant swift]

#questions message

[ornate mauve]

Hallo, ich fahre zur Rosenheim, kent ihr wohin kann ich fahre von da? Z.B. 1 St. mit dem Auto
Ich habe gedacht über die Gebirge, irgendwo für etwa 1-2 St. Spazier.
Eine Idee?

[icy flax]

Poste das nochmal aber in #1033125270217048246

1. Es ist mir peinlich
2. Es ist peinlich für mich

Sind beides richtig? Gibts Unterschiede, zB wirkt (2) distanzierter als (1)?

[nimble viper]

Du kannst besser Deutsch als ich, muss ich kurz mal sagen aber

Meiner Meinung nach geht es bei 1. auf ein Gefühl ein, und bei 2. eher auf eine Meinung. Also ja schon etwas distanzierter.

Da mag ich aber auch falsch liegen. Warten wir mal auf die Ahnung eines Muttersprachlers

[icy flax]

Ich hab schon was irgendwo gelesen, aber ich fang an, auch davon zu zweifeln, weil es zu subtil scheint, weißt du?

[ashen cloud]

does anyone have any good ways to learn?? i like duolingo because its easy after a long day, but i dont really remember anything unless im ON duolingo....so it doesnt really work for me

[plush pelican]

Ich habe einmal danach gefragt. Wann und in welchen Fällen man "für mich" statt "mir" benutzen darf, ist unklar, und Muttersprachler können es kaum erklären.

Manchmal geht das, manchmal geht das auf keinen Fall.

[plain umbra]

Did you try out Nicos Weg?

faq nicos

[stoic mauve]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469/

[warped oriole]

daran zu zweifeln*

[warped oriole]

Was jajaja gesagt hat ist richtig. 2 kann aber auch bedeuten, dass es das (peinlich sein) für dich tut.

Für mich -> meiner Meinung nach
Meiner Meinung nach ist es Peinlich.
Für mich ist es peinlich.

Oder

Für mich ist es peinlich. (Es tut es für mich) Aber diese Bedeutung wird eher nicht benutzt. Meistens bist du ja nicht aktiv für jemanden peinlich sondern eher ausversehen.

[maiden yacht]

Has to do with tekamolo doesn't it?

[humble nymph]

hallo, was ist das Wort, das bedeutet fail auf Englisch

"to fail"

[undone orchid]

es kommt wahrscheinlich daran, was du sagen möchtest

[icy flax]

Danke Dir, @warped oriole!

[solid zealot]

Als Slawischer Muttersprachler, wie hast du das gelernt? Auswendig oder?

[maiden yacht]

Das hat sich irgendwie von selbst so ergeben

Im Englischen ist es übrigens auch so

na ja

ähnlich

[solid zealot]

Echt jetzt?

[maiden yacht]

Nicht 1:1 aber es gibt eine gewisse Abfolge

von adjektiven und so

die halt korrekt klingt

man sagt schließlich "the small red bird flew by the big white house" und nicht "the red small bird flew by the white big house"

[solid zealot]

Ohne das Bild, würde ich entweder Karin hat gestern wegen ihrer Prüfung in der Unibibliothek sehr konzentriert gelernt oder Karin hat gestern sehr konzentriert in der Unibibliothek gelernt wegen ihrer Prüfung schreiben

[maiden yacht]

Aber es ist unerklärlich warum das so ist

Die meisten Muttersprachler können das nicht erklären

[maiden yacht]

Das geht alles glaube ich

In der gesprochenen Sprache

[solid zealot]

Ja, das Problem ist dass ich nur mit der übe.

[maiden yacht]

Das ist kein großes Problem

Also wozu brauchst du eigentlich Deutsch

[solid zealot]

Gehen wir in den #german-only Schreibkanal?

[maiden yacht]

jo

[uneven leaf]

hängt schon vom kontext ab

ich nehme erstmal an, dass die Frage sich auf eine Klausur bezieht

in dem Fall wäre das "durch die Klausur durchfallen"

z.B. "ich bin durch die Klausur am Mittwoch durchgefallen"

[maiden yacht]

I'd rather say "Ich bin bei der Klausur am Mittwoch durchgefallen" but I am afraid that to get any closer to the truth we'd have to have a native speaker check this one out

[uneven leaf]

I've heard both tbh

[maiden yacht]

both are probably correct

[uneven leaf]

it also might be a regional thing idk

[full ice]

both are correct, but „ich bin durch die Klausur am Mittwoch durchgefallen“ is less correct but not entirely wrong but in this case u use „durch“ twice but the verb is „durchfallen“ so u would have to splt it like „ich bin durch die Prüfung gefallen“. If u use „durch“ twice, then the first „durch“ changes the meaning to „because of“

if that makes sense

so its either „Ich bin bei der Klausur am Mittwoch durchgefallen“ oder „Ich bin durch die Klausur am Mittwoch gefallen“

[maiden yacht]

what I thought as well

the first durch was redundant

[flat sail]

Hallo

[delicate tiger]

Double "durch" is more natural IMO 🤷

[lean ravine]

I´d say both with or without double durch sounds fine

what a sentence I just said

[uneven leaf]

Exactly, someone’s on my side lol

It definitely sounds more natural that way to me

But considering the split opinions I’d say it‘s probably a regional thing

[near nebula]

What is the easiest way to remember how words are placed in sentences in German? Like verbs and where the nouns are placed?

[uneven leaf]

read a lot of sentences

it sounds like a joke answer but no really

if you read enough sentences you'll do it automatically

[near nebula]

Das macht sinn. Ok 👍

[maiden yacht]

I can second that

Build your own sentences as well to practive and check them with Muttersprachlern or DeepL idk @near nebula

[near nebula]

Yeah I see

[cold pike]

question

are there any kind of rules for when youre combining noun together to form another noun

a lot of time i see something like Arbeitsplatz where theres an s in the middle

but come something like Lehrerberuf where theres nothing in the middle

[plain umbra]

There's not really rules. It can vary quite a lot and it's not really predictable. So it's best to just learn the words as a whole including the connector. The connectors are called a Fugenelement if you want to look it up.

[cold pike]

ahh thats sad but makes sense

thanks

[delicate tiger]

The rule is "what sounds best to a native speaker" 😉

(most of the time, see "Abstandfläche vs Abstandsfläche)

[ivory whale]

if talking to someone for the first time in German but work with and talk with in English. assuming same age and not a superior nor junior so around the same but different role. should just use du?

[lean ravine]

you should kinda always use du except for bosses, and maybe elderly people

[plush pelican]

always du with colleagues?

[lean ravine]

I mean you can say Sie but a lot of people don´t

[plush pelican]

I thought a lot of companies still Siezen?

[lean ravine]

I mean you could but personally I´d feel really weird

Ich sieze nicht mal meinen Boss

[plush pelican]

Are they duzen'ing in like, banks among the employees?

or like, stodgy white collar upper management?

[lean ravine]

in upper management they likely will

between employees most commonly no

you don´t say Sie to strangers either

[plush pelican]

what

You come across like a 45 year old lady, you duzen her?

[lean ravine]

well that´s kind of personal preference

I wouldn´t but some people might

[plush pelican]

Okay, well then qualify your statements by saying it's personal preference, not a blanket "you don't say Sie to strangers"

as a learner, I'm going to take your statements at face value

[lean ravine]

I said it earlier

[plush pelican]

"Man siezt nie einen Fremden"

[lean ravine]

schön für dich

[upbeat thicket]

strongly disagree

[copper granite]

what?

[lean ravine]

kommst du aus der Stadt oder vom Land?

[maiden yacht]

achso daran liegt das also

[upbeat thicket]

Warum ist das relevant?

[maiden yacht]

nö ich verstehe worauf serdaise hinauswill

[lean ravine]

hä weil es mich interessiert ob das einfach daran liegt das man das eher auf dem Land macht

[upbeat thicket]

kann man null pauschalisieren

liegt denke ich an der erziehung

[lean ravine]

ne garantiert nicht💀

[maiden yacht]

man will ja nicht verallgemeinern aber immerhin

[upbeat thicket]

also mir wurde das einfach beigebracht, dass man fremde und ältere siezt

[maiden yacht]

In der Stadt werde ich zum Beispiel viel öfter mit Sie angesprochen

[maiden yacht]

Ebenfalls

[lean ravine]

richtiger Engel

[plush pelican]

I think it could be relevant--at least in the US, cities are more modern and liberal, and the countryside is more conservative and traditional. That could influence language as well.

That being said, I've also seen in a bunch of places that, although das Duzen is becoming more widespread, Siezen still happens, too, and that it can vary person to person or company to company or region to region

[near nebula]

Du bist richtig

[wide crater]

In Österreich ist man sogar mit seinem Chef per du, nur mit Fremden nicht

[wide crater]

Du hast Recht

[near nebula]

Ok

[lean ravine]

ja wie ich vorhin meinte ich sag auch du zu meiner Chefin xD

[wide crater]

Dich kann aber niemand zum Siezen zwingen

Wäre halt unhöflich, wenn es gefordert wurde

[plush pelican]

Was ist mit der Polizei?

[wide crater]

Die Polizei ist nicht Teil deines Arbeitsumfeldes, oder?

[plush pelican]

Wenn man bei der Polizei arbeitet, schon

[wide crater]

Dann siezt du die Polizei aber nicht

Weil du Polizist bist

[plush pelican]

Sie siezen sich nicht?

[wide crater]

Blödes Szenario

[wide crater]

Deine Kollegen siezt du nicht

[plush pelican]

Ich habe gehört, in bestimmten Firmen schon

https://www.alumniportal-deutschland.org/de/magazin/deutschland/veraenderung-der-deutschen-sprache/duzen-oder-siezen/

[wide crater]

Wenn der Arbeitgeber es sich so ausmacht, dann schon

[plush pelican]

Also kann der Arbeitgeber dich dazu zwingen?

[wide crater]

In den meisten Großkonzernen duzen sich Mitarbeiter

[wide crater]

Nicht rechtlich

Es ist einfach unhöflich dann noch zu duzen

[plush pelican]

Kann man entlassen werden aus unerklärten Gründen, die eigentlich damit verbunden sind?

oder durch Ausreden, wenn der eigentliche Grund das ist?

[lean ravine]

niemand entlässt dich weil du duzt

[wide crater]

Du wirst dadurch vielleicht unbeliebt

Aber es wäre ein unsinniger Grund für eine Entlassung

[plush pelican]

Ich hätte angenommen, "In konservativeren Branchen wird gesiezt", die Polizei ist eher konservativ, = bei der Polizei wird gesiezt. Aber das ist nicht so, sagst du.

[wide crater]

Statement from personal experience : You can say du to anyone up to ~25 and it's still acceptable

[plush pelican]

Was ist, wenn er/sie älter ist?

[wide crater]

Dann ist es für die Person wahrscheinlich weniger akzeptabel und du wirst eventuell blöd angeschaut

[plush pelican]

Es ist schwierig, weil in den USA sind Arbeiterrechte viel schlimmer. Man kann sehr leicht entlassen werden, und auch wenn es Diskrimination ist, kann man das oft nicht rechtlich beweisen.

[wide crater]

Und jeden der jünger ist kann man normalerweise auch duzen

bis zu einem gewissen alter

[plush pelican]

Ich habe also vielleicht diese Einstellung im Hinterkopf, obwohl mir bewusst ist, dass Deutschland besser ist, was die Arbeiterrechte angeht

[plush pelican]

warte, du wirst blöd angeschaut, wenn du jemand Älteres duzt statt siezt?

[wide crater]

Weil es respektlos ist

Eine fremde Person

nicht in der Arbeit

[plush pelican]

Ich bin verwirrt

Wenn ein Kollege älter ist als du

Siezen oder duzen?

[wide crater]

Duzen

[plush pelican]

wenn der Chef älter ist als du
Siezen oder duzen?

[wide crater]

Kollege : DU
Fremd (älter) : SIE

Dein Chef ist ein Kollege

[plush pelican]

Das widerspricht sehr genau was Serdaise früher behauptet hat

[wide crater]

Ich kenne das nur so

@lean ravine kommst du aus Deutschland oder Österreich?

[copper granite]

Hallo zusammen, schön, euch kennenzulernen.
Ich möchte etwas über Deutschland erfahren. Wem kann ich helfen?

[wide crater]

Wem kannst du helfen?

What were you trying to say?

Wer kann mir helfen?

[copper granite]

I want to learn about germany. cna I help you?

[plush pelican]

Those sentences contradict each other

Do you want someone to help you
or do you want to help someone else?

[wide crater]

Why would you want to help someone if you want something

[wide crater]

What's your native language?

Spanish?

Filipino?

[copper granite]

no. portuguese.

I am from brazil.

[wide crater]

Ah

[plush pelican]

Can I help you? = Posso ajudar?

Can you help me? = Pode me ajudar?

[copper granite]

I mean,if you help me, I wiil offer money.

Are you with me?

[wide crater]

aaahhhh

[plush pelican]

You want to find a tutor? Você quer encontrar um tutor?

[copper granite]

TIme is money. This is my roadmap

[plush pelican]

Try italki.com or something

[wide crater]

Then you shouldn't say "can I help you"

[copper granite]

sorry.

I will check.

could you help me?

[plush pelican]

I'm not interested

[copper granite]

Ah.

[plush pelican]

Try https://www.italki.com/

There are other websites as well

[plush pelican]

falscher Freund. Auf Englisch bedeutet "colleague" "Mitarbeiter", also nur jemand, der auf gleicher Ebene oder vielleicht niedriger ist. Darum meine Verwirrung.

[maiden yacht]

Ich wundere mich, ob das im Deutschen doch der Fall ist

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Kollege?o=kollege

[midnight moat]

What's the difference between Fahren and Reisen?

[ember walrus]

fahren 🚘 reisen ✈

[pastel stream]

We use Fahren when we drive something Like: Ich Fahre das Auto/Fahrad. and When we travel to somewhere we use Reisen.

[midnight moat]

Oh I see. Also does that mean the subject of Fahren has to be the driver?

Or like, it can be the passenger as well? Just making sure

[pastel stream]

Not for the passenger we use it, Its an activity.

[charred harbor]

Sorry, just to nitpick a little:

1. verbs should never be capitalised unless they’re the first word in the sentence
2. this is probably a typo but I thought I should point it out anyway- Fahrrad has two R’s

[pastel stream]

Thank you, but I just want to highlight the verb that's why I use capital letter.

[charred harbor]

It doesn’t work as German though. Why not underline/bold/italicise it, if you want to emphasise it? 😄

[pastel stream]

sorry, my bad 😀

[midnight moat]

Either way thanks for helping

[hushed dawn]

2008 hat man in einer Höhle eines der ältesten Musikinstrumente der Menschheit ausgegraben, eine Flöte aus Vogelknochen.

why is it "eines"
What is this rule called ? i want to learn more about it

[south zenith]

Indefinite pronouns

https://www.corelanguages.com/german-indefinite-pronouns/
Look at number 6 in this article

Also when used as a pronoun “eins” = “eines”

Eins the number is not short for anything

[hushed dawn]

I saw that, but my question is why is it in genetiv form ?

[south zenith]

One “of the oldest instruments”

It belongs to that group

Der Hunde des Mannes - the dog of the man
Die Farbe des Tellers - the color of the plate
Eines der Instrumente - one of the instruments

[hushed dawn]

Got it , Thanks !

[plush pelican]

Sebastian hat gesagt, dein Chef ist ein Kollege.

Oooh, hier ist eine Frage darüber:

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/karriere/frage-an-den-jobcoach-darf-ich-den-chef-per-sammel-e-mail-als-kollegen-ansprechen-1.3703723

[charred harbor]

You mean "der Hund"?

[plush pelican]

@maiden yacht dieser Webseite zufolge scheint "Kollege" diesselbe Bedeutung zu haben wie im Englischen. Aber es ist auch möglich, dass diese Bedeutung mit der Zeit ein bisschen verworren wird, weil gerade alles zunehmend egalitär wird.

[icy flax]

Manch einen erinnert es an Obama.

@plush pelican, mein guter Questions-Partner, hast du dieses je gelesen?

[plush pelican]

🤔 wohl nicht

Es erinnert manch einen an Obama

It reminds some of Obama?

Ich bin mir nicht sicher

[icy flax]

Es geht um Kamala Harris und wie vielen ist es so wie bei Obama. Ich weiß nicht warum sie stattdessen nicht direkt "manchen" geschrieben haben.

[plush pelican]

Das weiß ich auch nicht

Ich schlage das später nach

[plush pelican]

Ich hab's gefunden!

Hammer's German Grammar 5.5.19:

[south zenith]

Yea typo

[icy flax]

@plush pelican, wie empfiehlst du, durch dieses massive Werk namens Hammer zu navigieren, einfach Stg + F drücken?

[plush pelican]

manchmal, oder manchmal ist es leichter, den Index zu verwenden.

[jade hawk]

Weißt jemand warum diese Veröffentlichung der Unendlichen Geschichte (https://www.klett-sprachen.de/die-unendliche-geschichte/t-1/9783126741118) hat ungefähr 100 Seiten, aber diese https://www.thienemann.de/produkt/die-unendliche-geschichte-isbn-978-3-522-20260-2 hat fast 500? Warum ein solch starker Unterschied? Ist die erste Fassung etwas, was im Englischen "Graded reader book" gennant wird?

[delicate tiger]

Das erste scheint eine vereinfachte und gekürzte Fassung zu sein

[jade hawk]

Okay verstanden, ich werde die zweite Wahl kaufen

[acoustic otter]

how would you conjugate this sentence? it doesnt have any pronouns or anything. "Johanna bekommen an der Universität Mainz den Abschluss machen"

[plush pelican]

Whichever pronoun the subject matches to, use that conjugation

My dog and I (we) are playing fetch

My dog (he) is playing fetch

My brother and my sister (they) are playing fetch

Johanna (???)

[plush pelican]

Side note: what's with the verbs? "bekommen machen" isn't a thing

[acoustic otter]

could of gotten that part of the question wrong

fill in the blank kind of thing

I assure you they are real verbs though. According to my german textbook

[plush pelican]

I didn't say that individually they aren't verbs

[delicate tiger]

one verb too many

[acoustic otter]

ah that makes sense

[plush pelican]

But like, for example, you wouldn't say in English, "Joanna receives her diploma at the University of Mainz make"

"receives make" ain't a thing, even if both verbs individually exist

The closed thing I can think of is "bekommen" does sometimes get used as a slang way of doing passive voice, but I doubt they'd be discussing that in an A-level text

[acoustic otter]

according to the textbook i can say the second part is definitely right but not conjugated but the first part could be completely wrong

[delicate tiger]

"Johanna [wollen] an der Universität Mainz den Abschluss machen" works, find the right form of "wollen"

[acoustic otter]

wollen isnt one of the options. Its "bekommen" einladen" "keinen Spaß" "in rente gehen" "den abschluss machen" and "uberraschen"

are none of these right?

[plush pelican]

Post a picture of what the exercise is, you're not explaining it properly

[acoustic otter]

sorry

[plush pelican]

You only use one option per sentence

Also, you should watch a video on separable verbs, it seems

https://youtu.be/Tizr0WwCzFQ?si=WoxTWSeC1xO3qC6v

6 sentences, 6 options.

You're trying to cram 1 option into every blank spot. Some of the options you split up among the blank spots in the sentence.

Hint: the conjugated verb is in position 2 in every main clause. So if there is a blank in position 2, what goes there?

[uneven leaf]

ok but options 2 and 6 are confusing the heck out of me

if those aren't the verbs that they want, then what is

[plush pelican]

Yeah, idk why those seem to be marked wrong

Maybe they've changed the answers since submitting?

[uneven leaf]

I mean it's also underlining underneath that they used the wrong verb

and both of those are positions where a seperable verb, or a verb phrase make no sense

and they don't make sense swapped either

[plush pelican]

Like I said, I bet they entered something else before

It was marked wrong

And now they have this entered

[uneven leaf]

idk maybe the young man really is surprising lots of presents for his birthday

[plush pelican]

So they've changed what is in the text box after the thing corrected them

[uneven leaf]

that's what I just addressed though lol

wouldn't the underlined thing underneath be different if that was the case

it literally tells you what was wrong underneath

[plush pelican]

I'm saying for instance maybe they put "Der junge Mann überrascht", it got marked wrong, and now they have in "bekommt", but they haven't submitted again, so it's still showing the markings from the prior submission.

[uneven leaf]

but the red text underneath

[plush pelican]

May not have updated

[uneven leaf]

wouldn't that say "überraschen" if that was the case

[plush pelican]

They have a limited number of attempts

[plush pelican]

It's saying the correct verb, not which wrong verb they put in?

[uneven leaf]

all of the other examples are saying the wrong one that was put in

so idk how you came to that conclusion

[plush pelican]

Yeah, 5 can't be the right verb

[uneven leaf]

actually you can even see an example of the wrong one having been changed and still showing the old wrong one

in 5 yeah

[plush pelican]

But it also shows something different, aka they clearly can change it without it updating

[uneven leaf]

yeah but in 2 and 6 they also clearly didn't

[plush pelican]

I bet 2 and 6 they had something wrong in there before

And only after submitting have it right now

But they haven't done their final attempt yet, so it hasn't judged that yet

[uneven leaf]

but wouldn't it still have the old mistake there instead though?

like the "einladen" under 5

[plush pelican]

The old mistake could be they failed to conjugate but got the verb right

[uneven leaf]

wouldn't it show the conjugation as the mistake though? like in 3, 4, and 5?

[plush pelican]

None of the red corrections show the correct conjugation

[uneven leaf]

it's clearly more specific than just "you picked this option and also there's a mistake somewhere"

[uneven leaf]

no but they only highlight the bit that's wrong

you can see the bit that's correct isn't underlined

[plush pelican]

If they put, "Der Junge Mann bekomme"

That would result in a red underlined bekommen

[uneven leaf]

pretty sure only the e would be underlined

but idk for sure without an example

@acoustic otter can you just put us out of our misery

tell us how it works

[plush pelican]

It's something about it hasn't updated since the last submission and they've clearly changed answers

5 proves that

[hushed dawn]

großziehen is general while erziehen is more focused on teaching skills manner etc.. ?
is this right ?

[delicate tiger]

in general yes

[fervent kernel]

Question kind of got drowned in the other questions channel so I'll repost it here if that's fine 🤣

I wanted to translate "can we regret having lost something which we've never had?" and I came up with

Kann man bedauern zu verlieren etwas, das hat man nie haben?

I wanted to verify with DeepL, but it changed the structure quite a bit, giving me

Kann man es bedauern, etwas verloren zu haben, das man nie hatte?

Could someone help me correct my version (the first one) to get something natural sounding, since I think the DeepL version might be stiff?

[delicate tiger]

"Kann man bedauern, etwas zu verlieren, das man nie hatte?"

[fervent kernel]

Ooo, thanks 🙏🏽 Is the choice between praterium and perfekt similar to the corresponding tenses in English? I got the impression praterium was more formal

[plush pelican]

You can remove the anticipatory "es" in the first clause?

This is one of those things where even Hammer's German Grammar is like, "Idk, sometimes you can remove it, sometimes you can't for some reason, there's no clear rules about it."

And it's deeply frustrating 😮‍💨

[plush pelican]

With certain verbs, you kind of use Präteritum regardless, even in speech.

This includes things like

• Modal verbs (sollen, können, mögen, etc)
• Helping verbs haben and sein
• Verbs of thinking/feeling like meinen, glauben, denken

But there is also regional variation on this

[uneven leaf]

I don't think it corresponds 1:1

it's good to note that your "perfekt" also wasn't executed correctly though

it would be "..., das man nie gehabt hat"

which in this case still sounds a bit stiff

also I agree with deepL here that "etwas verloren zu haben" is closer to the actual english sentence you wrote than "etwas zu verlieren"

cause the tense is different

it's the difference between "can we regret losing something we never had" vs. "can we regret having lost something we've never had"

[plush pelican]

Idk, there are some times when English uses one tense and German uses another, and I've not quite figured out when this applies

Like, English will put it in the past, but German in the present, or vice-versa

[uneven leaf]

I think this is one where both tenses are fine in both languages because the meaning is basically the same in both

[plush pelican]

It's probably related to English conflating past tense and subjunctive

[uneven leaf]

i don't think this is subjunctive in english here though?

[plush pelican]

Yeah, no, I was getting distracted by other times I've apparently "guessed wrong" on which tense

[fervent kernel]

Ooo, then I'll just learn that through experience ig 🤣

[fervent kernel]

Fair enough, that actually confused me since I didn't realise verloren was the Partizip Perfekt of verlieren, but in English tbh I chose based on fanciness these days since they kind of merged in US English 🤣

[main flare]

Yooooo Goobyu since when we're you learning German hahaha

[fervent kernel]

Since a few days ago 🕵🏽 But I forgot how much of a pain it is starting a new language

[potent sky]

Anyone got tips to increase my German vocabulary ?

[plush pelican]

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[main flare]

Fr, I'm gonna have to take it for uni in October

Osijek even offer French but won't let me do it with my study combo for some reason

[plush pelican]

@stone vault This bit concerns exactly your situation

The Genitive can still be used, but only in very specific circumstances, and even then, it mostly sounds stilted and formal

remnants of the older (arguably more logical) system

[jade hawk]

Kann man "ertasten" im übertragenen Sinn benutzen? Sowas wie "etwas durch Erfahrung herausfinden"

[plush pelican]

Soweit ich sehen kann, ist es nur wörtlich.

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/ertasten
https://www.dwds.de/wb/ertasten
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/ertasten

[fervent kernel]

es gibt "antasten"

"sich an etwas herantasten"

it basically means to carefully try out something

[jade hawk]

verstanden

[fervent kernel]

Can someone who's A1 listen to smth like easy German

Or is it like too much

[plush pelican]

The YouTube or the podcast?

The podcast is definitely too much

The YouTube, you'll probably mostly be reading the English subtitles

But I guess you can try it a bit just to listen to the melody and try to vaguely match sounds to the German subtitles

[indigo blaze]

I used to listen to german radio stations when I started out and it helped a lot though I barely understood anything. https://www.deutschland.fm/

[old roost]

if in english pronoun for male is he/him, how about in german? is it er/ihn, er/ihm?

[plush pelican]

Er/ihn/ihm

German has 4 cases, if you don't know about those, read up on it

[old roost]

I know but when you're filling the gender, would it be er/ihn or er/ihm

or perhaps you just write it er/ihn/ihm?

[plush pelican]

Oh, you mean like when people are saying their pronouns in like their bios?

I don't think there's a single, agreed-upon way of doing that

the whole concept of pronouns for gender expression in German is controversial

This website: https://www.zrd-saar.de/de/ZRDyoung/Beitraege/Details/She-They-He-Him-Gender-Pronouns-in-Social-Media.html

Suggests like "sie/ihr" or "er/seins", but idk about that

[plain umbra]

I don't live in a German speaking country so I'm not sure, but online I usually see that kind of thing only from people who also speak English so usually you see a list with English and German pronouns in that case.

So for example: er/he. Or: he/him/er. Or whatever the person thinks works.

[old roost]

I see

[fervent kernel]

Hmm yea Podcast doesn't really have the translations ngl

There's that keyword thing they do, that's abt it

[fervent kernel]

Yea understanding seems like a long shot but honestly it could be fun to watch smth ngl

[warped oriole]

Why not just say male pronouns or female pronouns? Why write them all down? There is no neutral pronoun for people for third person singular. So in german you have to choose male or female.

[uneven leaf]

I‘ve met people who use es in German

Although yeah even for NB people they usually pick either er or sie in german

[plush pelican]

I've heard some non-binary people just use the English "they/them"

[uneven leaf]

most of the people I've met who do that will mostly speak to you in english anyway

even if they're german themselves

[plain umbra]

For several reasons. 1. That's just how it's become culturally standard as a way to display it; in other words, it's the natural/idiomatic way to express it. 2. There are inherent conceptual issues with referring to pronouns as male/female; masculine/feminine would probably be fine at least for a language like German, but male/female is a bit weird. 3. Some people use more than just one set of pronouns, especially across languages. For example, they could have: they/them, he/him, er/ihn. Listing them is simpler than trying to write it out in words.

[plush pelican]

They speak to you in English, even though people commonly assume you're German? So they think they're a German, talking to another German, but they're using English?"

[uneven leaf]

yes, genuinely

[plush pelican]

Do they think speaking in English is hip?

[uneven leaf]

idk some people just like doing it

I've never asked why

[plain umbra]

In this context where we're talking about pronouns, it could be as simple as wanting to use the language where they feel most comfortable with how they can be referred to.

[drifting thicket]

Sorry for interrupting the conversation i just have 1 question: is there one word that means “actually” or something close to it?

[plain umbra]

No, there's not just one word. There are multiple for different meanings of "actually".

If you have a specific sentence you want to write, you can ask about it here and get some help with getting the right word.

[plush pelican]

Eigentlich, tatsächlich

[drifting thicket]

That’s what i was afraid of😭

[plush pelican]

I still mix up when to use each

[drifting thicket]

No I just use the world a lot in English and I would use it in German

[plush pelican]

Also "wirklich" in some senses, I think

[drifting thicket]

And is there any difference in use or can I use them the same way as in English?

[plush pelican]

They mean, probably in some of those sentences, it would translate one way to like "eigentlich", and in other of those sentences, it would translate to like "tatsächlich" or "wirklich"

There is a difference

...I am not the best person to ask what exactly that is, but they are used in different circumstances

[drifting thicket]

then how do I decide when to use which?

[plush pelican]

https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/z1ezqn/what_is_the_difference_between_eigentlich_and/

Look up "eigentlich tatsächlich difference"

[plain umbra]

Some vocab can be learned mostly directly like from a dictionary but some has to be learned by looking at lots of examples and getting a sense of the meaning. That's just how it is learning a language.

[uneven leaf]

one immediate tip that comes to mind: if you can replace "actually" with "really" and it still makes sense, then "wirklich" or "tatsächlich" are probably right

[plain umbra]

It's because every language has all its own set of words. Sometimes they match up between 2 languages, sometimes they don't. So if it helps as a way to understand the issue, basically, a word like "actually" in English doesn't exist in German. Instead, there are some words which have overlapping meaning but are different words, and those words don't exist in English.

[drifting thicket]

OK thanks I think I understand

[warped oriole]

Ok makes sense.

Thanks

[warped oriole]

Lustig

[warped oriole]

"Eigentlich wollte ich heute ins Kino gehen, aber tatsächlich bin ich viel zu müde. lch werde mich wohl wirklich einfach hinlegen."

[plush pelican]

Wohl wirklich einfach?

What is that, triple Modalpartikel?

[uneven leaf]

wait until you hear someone say "das ist doch eben halt so" lol

it'll blow your mind

[plush pelican]

That one makes sense to me

[upbeat thicket]

Das ist doch mal eben halt so xD

[plush pelican]

I guess I just haven't heard wirklich and einfach enough to get how they fit together as Modalpartikel

[uneven leaf]

and "wohl wirklich einfach" doesn't???

[uneven leaf]

huh

[plush pelican]

I'm probably just gonna simply lay down?

[uneven leaf]

einfach is sorta like the english "just" in this case

like "i'll just lay down" is pretty much the same as "ich werde mich einfach hinlegen"

wirklich is like "really"

"I really will just lay down" = "ich werde mich wirklich einfach hinlegen"

you understand "wohl" already? cause that one's a bit harder to make an analogy for in english lol

I think the closest would be "I guess"

"I guess I really will just lay down" would be the complete translation

[plush pelican]

Wohl = wahrscheinlich

Prolly

[uneven leaf]

ehhhh idk the vibes are different

wohl seems a lot more confident in this sentence than wahrscheinlich

[plush pelican]

I guess I don't know the ✨ vibes ✨ then

[uneven leaf]

like it's something you just decided, instead of something that might not happen

[warped oriole]

I would say wohl is more like "it seems like it" in this case.

Jawohl.
Wohl!
Wohl wahr.
🤔

Wohl hat wohl viele Bedeutungen.

[fervent pine]

explaining wohl is difficult i think the direct english translation for it is "sure, maybe, probably"

idk i stuggle translating directly bc it kinda doesnt directly mean something in english

[vernal ermine]

@plush pelican Hallo Argus.Wie geht's dir?

[plush pelican]

Mir geht's okay

[vernal ermine]

Ich habe in lesen module zwei mal gefehlt. Wie kann ich verbessern? . Ich habe schwer für meine 2nd Prüfung gearbeitet aber ich habe nicht bestanden😔. Meine Noten waren so näher Mindestpunktzahl.

@plush pelican Hast du eine Idee?

[plush pelican]

Wie viel Feedback bekommst du? Nur die Zahl?

Ich würde empfehlen

1. so viel auf Deutsch zu lesen wie möglich.

2. Nachrichtenartikel zu lesen, denn sie haben einen bestimmten Wortschatz, der hier wohl helfen würde.

3. Versuche, einen Artikel oder was auch immer durchzulesen, dann übersetze ihn, dann vergleiche deine Übersetzung mit der Übersetzung von DeepL, um zu sehen, was du missverstanden hast.

[vernal ermine]

Ja, nur Zahl mit Feedback : nicht bestanden

[vernal ermine]

Ich folge deine Empfehlung.Vielen Dank @plush pelican ♥

I failed because of 1 mark. That's very hurting Argus.

[rich prism]

How can improve my writing pls

[indigo blaze]

Reading

[uneven leaf]

also writing

[nimble viper]

and listening

[manic horizon]

Hallo leute! Hat jemand nehmen das Goethe Zertifikat A2 Kürzlich?

Ich brauche Hilfe 🥲

[fervent kernel]

learn all phrases you need by book and then just insert some words basically

[hushed dawn]

Brand vs Feuer ? whats the difference ?

[hushed dawn]

Eigentlich sind Waldbrände etwas Natürliches. Es gibt sie jedes Jahr.

i find it weird the sentence of "es gibt sie"
is it a common way to say so ?
I would rephrase it to "sie vorliegen jedes Jahr. "

[uneven leaf]

es gibt sie is a normal way of phrasing this

your rephrasing is wrong, both grammatically and I think the word choice is suboptimal

I would rephrase to "sie kommen jedes Jahr vor"

if you want to rephrase at all, which isn't necessary here

[fervent kernel]

Hallo. 👋 Ich wollte mal fragen, was der Unterschied zwischen bei+Dativ und während+Genitiv ist?

Bei+Dativ = mehr Nachdruck auf die Tätigkeiten legen?

Während+Genitiv = mehr Nachdruck des Zeitabschnitt, in dem die Tätigkeiten stattfinden?

[uneven leaf]

can you provide examples?

what you've put here is all very theoretical and I don't think it can be generalized that much

especially since both of those words have multiple meanings

[fervent kernel]

• Beim Lernen höre ich Musik.
• Während des Lernens höre ich Musik.

Die gelesenen Beispiele haben mich verwirrt, deshalb habe ich hier gefragt. 😅

[uneven leaf]

Während des Lernens ist dann sozusagen wortwörtlich der Zeitraum, in dem das Lernen passiert.
Beim Lernen impliziert eher, dass das vom Lernen selbst abhängt. Also das war nicht einfach Zufall, dass beide gleichzeitig passiert sind, sondern hast du absichtlich Musik angemacht weil du das dabei hören wolltest. Das impliziert, dass du dann nach dem Lernen auch nicht mehr Musik hörst

so krass einen Unterschied ist das aber nicht. Das wird alles eher einfach impliziert und ist nicht explizit die Bedeutung davon

verstanden? oder lieber auf Englisch?

[fervent kernel]

Aha. Ja, das habe ich verstanden. Vielen Dank für die Erklärung und Hilfe. 😄

[forest hawk]

Hallo Leute. Ich verstehe diese Verwendung von sollen'nicht: "....falls es irgendjemand nicht mitgekriegt haben sollte" Ist das eine Vergangenheitsform Konjunktiv II? Oder bin ich total verwirrt?

[frigid bramble]

Kann man eigentlich auch weglassen, das "sollen" betont einfach nochmal die Konditionalität

Und ja, ist Konjunktiv ii

[forest hawk]

Okay, danke, das ist sehr hilfreich.

[hushed dawn]

"Wespen und Mücken haben ein eher schlechtes Image. Sie fliegen an heißen Sommertagen um uns herum und können uns stechen. Dabei sind die kleinen Tiere extrem wichtig: Ohne sie würden uns viele Lebensmittel fehlen."

i have a question regarding "dabei" in this sentence;
I understand that it either means "in the process" or is connected in one way to the verb + preposition.
However in DeepL it is translated as "yet" .. I'm not sure if this is accurate can anyone explain .

[plush pelican]

It is, "dabei" has more than 2 meanings.

[hushed dawn]

Thank you

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[acoustic basin]

hallo

[dense reef]

Why is „it is snowing „ translated „es schneit“ but „ it is snowing now“ is „es ist jetzt schneit“

[plain umbra]

The last one is wrong. It should be: Es schneit jetzt.

[fervent kernel]

Because now = jetzt

[scenic harbor]

Hey guys, I don’t know if this is a proper question but is there any way to ask “for real?” in german?

[verbal gulch]

Auf ernst/ ernsthaft

Auf ernst is more casual

[scenic harbor]

Oh, thanks for the information

[coral drift]

german youth uses "for real" too but simply "wirklich?" is also used

[uneven leaf]

I'm a big fan of "echt?" personally

really hits the same vibes for me

[undone iris]

"Ist das dein Ernst?"

[uneven leaf]

lol that sounds very accusatory

and I don't think "for real?" is usually used like that

[uneven leaf]

*caviat, most of the time

there are a few situations I can think of where it's not so accusatory but ngl the first thing that comes to mind is a very confrontational situation

[undone iris]

kann auch sein, oder?

[uneven leaf]

kinda like going "are you actually serious right now" in english

[fervent kernel]

"echt?" "im ernst?" "wirklich?"

[jovial girder]

Ich möchte den Raum öffnen??

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[mighty shale]

i understand there are times where it's inappropriate to use du instead of sie, but are there times where it's inappropriate to use sie instead of du?

[uneven leaf]

yeah if you use Sie for friends or other similarly close relationships people will think you don't like them

[mighty shale]

so, du for friends/family, and sie for general aquaintances, as a rule of thumb?

[uneven leaf]

not really, I'd say du for acquaintances too

depends how old you are, but basically everyone your age and younger that isn't in any kind of position of authority should be "du" imo

you might use Sie for a random stranger that's older than you

and anyone in a position of authority (e.g. teachers, government officials, etc.) you should default to Sie with

or people you only have incidental contact with, like e.g. the tellers at your bank

[mighty shale]

ah, that makes sense

thank you!

also, as an exercise, i like to make a phrase in german, and then run it through a german>english translator to see if it yells at me/the message i wanted to say stuck together, is this alright practice?

[delicate tiger]

No, because the translator will try to interpret your (possibly incorrect) input as best as it can and give a coherent translation

[maiden yacht]

It actually works if you translate the sentence back to German and compare it to what you've written. DeepL is great for this

@mighty shale

[hushed dawn]

"doch es sollte anders kommen"

this means something like "it was destined to turn out differently" ? im just questioning whats the role of "sollte" here

[fading vessel]

Ich habe eine Frage. Warum hat deutsch Satz keine Präposition "in" vor dem Jahr?

Ich freue mich auf Ihre Antwort.

[willow socket]

'im Jahre 2024' kann man auch sagen

es sind zwei Möglichkeiten, dasselbe auszudrücken.

[upbeat thicket]

Welcher Satz?

[south zenith]

Jahre?

Is that like a fixed phrase that just stood the test of time?

[fading vessel]

z.B. Wir haben 2000 geheiratet

[fading vessel]

Also verwenden wir Präposition "in", wenn das Wort "Jahr" anwesend ist?

[willow socket]

genau

[fading vessel]

Danke sehr, es hilft

[willow socket]

in der Vergangenheit schrieb man den Dativ (maskulin + neutrum) mit einem 'e' am Ende. In manchen Phrasen sieht man das immer noch (zB im Jahre, im Sinne, zu Hause,...)

[upbeat thicket]

gebräuchlicher ist wohl "im Jahr 2000" @willow socket

im Jahre klingt etwas veraltet (:

[copper copper]

hi

[turbid rapids]

Schönen guten Tag

[fervent kernel]

"Ich habe die Schule gewechselt gehabt."
Is this sentence grammaically correct?

[spare warren]

This is a mix of Plusquamperfekt and perfekt and only used colloquialy

[fervent kernel]

Got it, thanks.

[stone vault]

1. Let's say you're walking and u see a dog.. and u r not sure if this is the guy's dog over there standing so u go and tell him.. eigener Hund? (edited)
   How would that sound?

2. other than that.. "nahezu", "beinahe", "fast" all 3 hold the same core meaning.. right? (edited)

3. and besides that.. "ich habe etwas zusenden lassen" = "ich liess etwas zusenden" ? (edited)

4. etwas befaellt einen = eine Schwierigkeit begegnet einem = etwas widerfaehrt einem = etwas faellt einem vor = etwas heftiges/schwieriges kommt einem vor... (do they all hold the same fundamental essential meaning?)

5. eingiessen and auffuellen.. what are the conditions and usages of both?

6. also.. how are "verschuetten", "vergiessen", "kleckern", "umgiessen" different mainly in conditions and usages?

[hushed dawn]

so if I understood it correctly

Grundstück is basically a piece of land without any building being on it
Immobilie is including any structure that is built + the piece of land itself

is this correct ?

[slender herald]

Grundstück is the piece of land, but it may have buildings on it.
If I own a piece of land and build my house on it, the land itself is still my Grundstück.

Immobilie in a more literal form is something unmovable. A house for example can't just be picked up and moved away. It's not mobile and thus immobile. Germans just made a noun of it and call the immobile house an Immobilie.

[spare warren]

1. imo "ist das Ihrer?" or only "Ihrer?" if it's obvious your talking about the dog
   "eigener Hund?" sounds strange

2. yes, although nahezu is uncommon in colloquial speech

3. same meaning, although I would prefer zuschicken over zusenden

(regarding this number I m not a hundred percent sure
4) no
befallen is used with illnesses and parasites (mostly)
Schwierigkeiten begenen = to face difficulties
etwas (meistens Unglück) widerfährt einem = sth bad happenes to somebody
The last one is wrong I think
)

eingießen is the action of pouring a liquid into a container
auffüllen when you fill something up until it's full

6. verschütten when a liquid is spilled, vergießen means verschütten but is less common, kleckern is when anything else than a liquid is spilled and umgießen means to pour something from one container into another

[hushed dawn]

Ah, understood, thank you !

[jade hawk]

Könntest du das genauer erklären? Wie oft benutzt man das und hat diese Konstruktion einen Namen?

[spare warren]

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppeltes_Perfekt

[hushed dawn]

Zum ersten Mal treten mit Joe Biden und Donald Trump ein amtierender und ein ehemaliger Präsident gegeneinander an

I dont get the "mit / und" part here ,, it seems to me that with Joe and Donald a "amtierender und ehemaliger Präsident" but then this doesn't make since

In other words if we made it without the "ein amtriender ....." , hence --> Zum ersten Mal treten mit Joe Biden und Donald Trump gegeneinander an. It would be incorrect

can someone explain i am confused

[willow socket]

Zum ersten mal treten ein amtierender und ein ehemaliger Präsident gegeneinander an.

"mit Joe Biden und Donald Trump" kannst du weglassen.

[uneven leaf]

translation of that part would be something like "in the case of Joe Biden and Donald Trump" in this case

the full thing would be something like "For the first time, in the case of Joe Biden and Donald Trump, both a current and former president are putting themselves forward for election"

so it's telling you who it's talking about

you can remove it and the sentence makes sense

but that bit specifically tells you that the rest of the sentence is about Joe Biden and Donald Trump

[hushed dawn]

It all makes sense now , thank you guys

[limpid trout]

query about something on a worksheet i saw; unsure if it's a typo or something i don't yet know:
"aus weißer Trauben"
is there a reason the presumably strong-declined adjective for a presumably dative plural noun to take the genitive ending?

[willow socket]

seems false 🤔

[maiden yacht]

That r should be an n

[limpid trout]

i'd thought so

[fervent kernel]

So for "I believe you meant to say [something]" DeepL gives "ich glaube, du wolltest [etwas] sagen"

I was wondering if "ich glaube, dass du [etwas] sagen wolltest" would be fine as well, and if yes, if native speakers prefer using dass or no dass

[willow socket]

Beides ist korrekt und gebräuchlich. Die Version ohne 'dass' wird häufiger verwendet.

[fervent kernel]

@willow socket @fervent kernel ah okok, das macht Sinn, danke

[stone vault]

yo guys

jemanden hetzen = jemanden beeilen lassen.. would u say so?

jemanden etwas (gen) bezichtigen = jemanden etwas (akk) heftiges beschuldigen = jdn etwas (akk) heftiges anschuldigen = jmdm was Heftiges (akk) vorwerfen = jdn wegen etwas (gen) anklagen = jemanden etwas (gen) defamieren.. richtig?

[spare warren]

Jemanden beeilen lassen sounds strange

[hushed dawn]

"Es ist ihr die Nervosität anzumerken."

im not sure about this but "es" here is a dummy subject , but why do we need it anyway?
Can't we just say "ihr ist die Nervosität anzumerken"

or does it empthasize the "Nervosität" ,

[urban shell]

hi

[willow socket]

Beides geht, aber wenn 'ihr' nicht an der ersten Stelle steht, dann ist 'es' erforderlich.

[hushed dawn]

verstanden, aber hat es was mit Verstärkung von der Bedeutung "Nervosität" zu tun ?

[willow socket]

das weiß ich ehrlich gesagt nicht genau. Ich merke keine besondere Betonung, aber ich könnte auch falsch liegen.

[hushed dawn]

Okey, Tausend Dank !

[errant geyser]

is there a verb for drawing, as in like making art because the closest thing to it i can find is male but id rather have a specific one for drawing if it exists

[spare warren]

You could use "zeichnen"

[errant geyser]

okay ty

[stone vault]

yo guys

jemanden hetzen = jemanden beeilen lassen.. would u say so?

jemanden etwas (gen) bezichtigen = jemanden etwas (akk) heftiges beschuldigen = jdn etwas (akk) heftiges anschuldigen = jmdm was Heftiges (akk) vorwerfen = jdn wegen etwas (gen) anklagen = jemanden etwas (gen) defamieren.. richtig?

[past sentinel]

jemanden beeilen lassen klingt komisch, wenn du ein synonym mit Eile brauchst würde ich sagen "jemanden zur Eile treiben."

Oder wie man es formell sagt "jemandem Feuer unterm Arsch machen."

[stone vault]

Jemanden sich beeilen lassen.. klingt besser?

Jemanden zur Eile bringen/kriegen.. works as well?

[past sentinel]

"bringen" würde vielleicht noch am ehesten passen, wenn du vom Synonym "hetzen" ausgehst.. denn "sich beeilen lassen" klingt, als hätte er eine Wahl, aber wenn du ihn hetzt, ist es schon eher forciert. Generell finde ich die Formulierungen alle etwas merkwürdig 😄
Vielleicht dann noch so etwas wie "Jemanden zur Eile zwingen"

[willow socket]

was mit drängen?

[past sentinel]

ja das klingt auch besser als bringen oder kriegen

[lavish solstice]

I have a small question, why in a sentence like " Das ist ein Mädchen " we don't use "eine" ?

[willow socket]

Alle Wörter, die auf '-chen' enden, haben neutrales Geschlecht. Es heißt also 'das Mädchen' und dementsprechend 'das ist ein Mädchen'

[lavish solstice]

Thank you so much for the simple explanation!

Dankeschön

[delicate tiger]

(all words where it's a suffix - "der Kuchen")

[willow socket]

äh ja guter Punkt 😄

[lavish solstice]

Another question.
In a neutral noun that ends with " -e "
Will the Artikel always be " eine " ?

[jade hawk]

the artikel will be eine only with feminine nouns

masculine and neuter (neutral) nouns get ein (in the nominative case; it gets more complicated with other cases)

[lavish solstice]

Yes that I do understand but for example " das ist ein Apfel" and " das eine Birne" .

[jade hawk]

Birne is feminine. Das here means "that"
Das ist eine Birne = That is a pear
Das ist die Birne = that is the pear

[lavish solstice]

Gotcha. Thank you for helping 😊

[paper wren]

Why is the "daran" necessary in this sentence? What does it even do? "Auf keinen Fall nehme ich daran teil."

[rich prism]

cause there needs to be an object I think.
In any case I won't take part in it.

the verb teilnehmen has the preposition 'an'

Since the exact thing isn't mentioned daran is used

[paper wren]

That makes sense. Thank you!

[fervent kernel]

Hallo Leute ! was ist der unterschied zwischen "der See" und "die See"?

[delicate tiger]

lake - sea

[slender herald]

Der See = The lake
Die See = The open ocean

[fervent kernel]

dankeschön !

[fervent kernel]

Hello
What is the difference between suchen und besuchen/
Zahlen/bezahlen

[rich prism]

Suchen and besuchen are two completely different verbs
Suchen - look
Besuchen -visit

[fervent kernel]

Thanks a lot!
Same applies for zahlen/bezahlen?

[rich prism]

The difference between the two is idrk

I think zahlen is like pay

And then bezahlen is like, pay for

Like

Ehhh

Idk how to explain it well

[safe narwhal]

I think it's right btw

[rich prism]

Like zahlen is with money

But colloquially they are used interchangeably

[safe narwhal]

"zahlen und bezahlen" have the same means like paying but zahlen just likes ya do a payment for a dinner or any activities. But"bezahlen"means ya mostly paying this, it is surely finishing your activity rn pov.

[balmy axle]

@fervent kernel suchen = look for/search

[fervent kernel]

Very explaining! Thank you all❤️

[lethal crown]

With the sentence, "Ich brauche keinen Teppich", could you also just say "Ich brauche einen Teppich nicht"? Or "Ich brauche nicht einen Teppich"?

[charred harbor]

"Ich brauche einen Teppich nicht" sounds weird to me, "ich brauche nicht einen Teppich" has an implied "sondern ein/e/n ..."

"Ich brauche keinen Teppich" is probably what you'll want in the overwhelming majority of cases

[lethal crown]

Where would sondern be implied in the sentence?

[uneven leaf]

the second sentence just doesn't sound right to me

and I think the first one is already a bit weird

the only example I can think of where you would use this kind of construction would be "einen Teppich brauche ich nicht", otherwise it sounds unnatural

and it's good to note that in the above sentence "einen Teppich" is emphasised

it's specifically the carpet that you don't need, nothing else

and it sounds like you might continue with "sondern" and then something else that you do need

[lethal crown]

I see

Vielen Dank

I think I didn't understand exactly how nicht worked; I always thought it was translated into "not" or negated the verb it was linked to

[plush pelican]

"nicht" can either be in its general, neutral spot, or it can be before other parts of the sentence and thus specifically emphasize them.

The fact that you put "nicht" before a specific part of the sentence (nicht einen Teppich) rather than in its general spot, naturally implies that it's a 2-part sentence, with the 2nd part being a "sondern ..."

Much like how in English if you say, "I don't need a carpet..." (rather, I need a new job.)

In English, we accomplish this by intonation, by changing our voice to put stress on the noun. In German, the position of "nicht" can achieve the same effect.

[stark turtle]

Gibt es jemanden , der das Buch Aspekt neu hat ?

[barren cliff]

welches Niveau brauchst du? Ich habe nur B2 und C1

[stark turtle]

B2 bitte

[hushed dawn]

schmälern = herabsetzen = herabwürdigen

is there any different in meaning or usage ? I've just found that herabwürdigen is less commonly used than the other 2

[hushed dawn]

wiedergutmachen is the general way of saying "compensation" it can include other areas than "money compensation"
meanwhile entschädigen concerns only the money compensation

Correct ??

[stone vault]

yo guys

Nimm's leicht = Nimm’s locker = Mach dir keinen Stress = Bleib entspannt = Ganz ruhig = Lass es locker angehen = Reg dich nicht auf = Immer mit der Ruhe = Nur keine Hektik = Mach langsam = Bleib gelassen = Kein Grund zur Eile = Schalt einen Gang runter = Lass es ruhig angehen = Mach dir keinen Kopf = Alles in Ruhe = Immer mit der Gemütlichkeit

1. What do u think of this "equation", this combination.. are they similar to a great level, are they natural sounding, generally? (edited)

2. Also, what difference do you see between "selbstlos" and "uneigennuetzig" ?

3. similarly., as the 3rrd question to you here... egoistisch.. selbstsüchtig.. eigennützig and eigensüchtig... how would u say they are different at all?

4. so dann.. wie wuerdest du sagen, unterscheiden sich "abschneiden" und "anschneiden" voneinander?

5. auch.. drastisch, einscheinend, radikal und durchgreifend.. wie wuerdest du sagen, dass die unterschiedlich sind?

6. can u say "weiss aber auch, dass.." in the sense of "du sollst auch wissen, dass.."/"das solltest du aber auch wissen, dass..." and still sound natural, calm and fluent in german?

7. bis ans Limit gehen = bis ans Limit schieben ? (if yes or no, what other verbs could u use there at the end and stil make it sound natural?)

[stone vault]

@topaz pivot @high bobcat @zenith valve @low frigate Yo guys, any thoughts of those questions up there?