questions-2

[wet torrent]

@warped oriole while you're still here, can you check this one as well?

[fervent kernel]

Here's the full sentence
Hinsichtlich der damit verbundenen Folgen weltweit kann gesagt werden, dass die Preise für das Trinkwasser steigen könnten

[wet torrent]

der is an article of Folgen

[wet torrent]

Oh, damit is an element of verbunden

verbunden mit

I gave an original form

[fervent kernel]

Could u explain

[wet torrent]

Some verbs have particles, that are made to extend the connections of verb or change its meaning

Folgen sind verbunden

Verbundene Folgen

[warped oriole]

Can you link the sentence again? Then I don't have to search.

[wet torrent]

@warped oriole

I think it's perfectly fine, even tho pretty complicated

Ok, let's build a parallel

Since there's noone with the same question here, i will explain it in English, but in russian logic, is it fine?

So

It's the same in russian

Our adverbs can have particles as well

Let's take connected

It's usually used with "with"

But we also have "to connect with"

[warped oriole]

Hinsichtlich der Folgen, die damit verbunden sind...
This would be the same but phrased differently

[wet torrent]

Yup, but is it correct anyways?

I mean, the original one

[warped oriole]

Yes

[wet torrent]

@warped oriole this guy doesn't understand tho

As I see it, damit is produced by adverb verbundene

Ist Verbunden mit..
; eine verbundene mit...

[fervent kernel]

So damit here doesn't mean 'mit das' right?

[wet torrent]

It does

Damit verbundene Folgen

Folgen sind verbunden - mit was? - damit (mit das)

[warped oriole]

Doch. It means mit das

[wet torrent]

@warped oriole so, adverbs can inherit particles from the verbs, am I right?

[wet torrent]

Like this

[warped oriole]

I guess so 😄
I'm not an expert. I just like to think about languages.
But yes. The "damit" and "verbundenen" are together.

"Die daraus resultierenden Ergebnisse" this is another example

[wet torrent]

Feels refreshing to be right 😎

[wet torrent]

Oh well

I forgot that adverbs in german is literally only a form of verbs

That's why the particle remains

@signal cipher so basically it's still a verb and remains with "mit", it is just in Partizip 2

[warped oriole]

It's like "The (out of that) resulting outcomes."

[hushed dawn]

"sie spricht so viel, da komme ich nie zu Wort."

what does the "da" mean here

is it "there" ?

and shouldn't the verb be am ende

[wet torrent]

Weltweit verbundene

[warped oriole]

This is also possible:
Hinsichtlich der weltweiten damit verbundenen Folgen kann gesagt werden, ...

Die weltweiten Folgen.
Die Folgen weltweit.

[wet torrent]

Not weltweit verbundene?

I can feel the tension growing 🫠

[warped oriole]

The first one says that the Folgen are world wide.
The second one says that the Folgen... Hard to explain in englisch 😅

[wet torrent]

Around the world?

[rain talon]

Yeah
Like some phrases have an easy structure, some have a more difficult structure, it's fine not to understand it

And it'll come with time and immersion

[warped oriole]

Yeah like this

[brave flint]

Hallo, eine Frage, bitte:

Viele Menschen fliegen jedes Jahr weit weg, um auf anderen Kontinenten Natur pur zu erleben, obwohl es traumhaft schöne Landschaften vor der eigenen Haustür gibt.
Warum ist das traumhaft schöne Landschaften und nicht
traumhafte schöne Landschaften ?

Warum ohne e?

[warped oriole]

So this means:
Hinsichtlich der damit verbundenen Folgen weltweit (around the world) .

Hinsichtlich der weltweiten (world wide) damit verbundenen Folgen.

[rain talon]

Here, da is used in place of daraufhin and means "as a result"

[fervent kernel]

Because traumhaft belongs to schön
It's the same here:
Das richtig gute Essen

[brave flint]

Oooooohhh
Das macht sehr viel Sinn!! Danke schön!!!

[warped oriole]

Das richtig gute* Essen

[fervent kernel]

Ja stimmt
Richtig gutes Essen

Ohne' das'

[hushed dawn]

What is the difference between lästern and tratschen

[delicate tiger]

very little

[ashen heart]

Tratschen isn't necessarily talking bad about someone.

[plush pelican]

There are multiple prices associated with drinking water? I guess that's like, the price in multiple countries?

I mean, idk if it's a saying, but this exists in English pretty directly, no?

"Tell me who your friends are, and then I'll tell you, who are you."

Basically, your relationships, your friendships, define you as a person. One can tell what kind of a person you are, based on what kind of friendships you have.

It's kind of meta, but yeah.

[hushed dawn]

I didnt know it did , but its good to know that it can be said in german without being misunderstood

[plush pelican]

Es kann gesagt werden... = It can be said...

Es kann hinsichtlich der Folgen gesagt werden... = It can be said with regards to the consequences...

Hinsichtlich der Folgen kann gesagt werden= With regards to the consequences, it can be said...

This is one of those times when the subject is "es" and it can disappear if something else takes up position 1. I think this happens especially when using passive voice (note the "werden").

Hammer's talks about this (did you ever get a copy of it?)

"hinsichtlich der damit verbundenen Folgen"

This is a prepositional phrase. In this phrase, there is a Partizipialsatz, "damit verbundenen"

This is when you have basically a clause in the space of an adjective:

Hinsichtlich der Folgen, die damit verbunden sind = Hinsichtlich der damit verbundenen Folgen

Just details about them in general?

As I said, that right there is a Partizipialsatz

It's like a clause in the space of an adjective

One sec

https://www.deutschplus.net/en/pages/480/1386

It's like you take a relative clause and then put it where an attributive adjective would go

For this, the anchor, the key part of it, is a verb in the form of Partizip 2 (the Perfekt form) or Partizip 1 (the one that's infinitive form + d)

Die Kinder, die schnell rennen, sind glücklich.

Die schnell rennenden Kinder sind glücklich.

Verbs in Partizip 1 or 2 can be used as adjectives. You have heard this already

But the trick is that you can then tack on information to these adjectives, building out basically a clause that expands to the left of it

die (schnell rennenden) Kinder

Die Kinder, die ich gestern gesehen habe, spielen heute im Park.

Die (gestern gesehenen) Kinder spielen heute im Park.

🤷‍♂️ you can add a lot of details to the Partizipialsatz

[delicate tiger]

while not completely wrong, that's horrible style

[plush pelican]

That's just a part of the noun, not necessary to the Partizipialsatz

Although I think in practice there is usually a definite article there because you are trying to speak about a specific noun

Hinsichtlich is a preposition

Ein (schnell laufender) Mann hat mich gegrüßt.

Again, the parentheses are the Partizipialsatz, taking the space of an adjective, and the verb is declined as an adjective, hence the -er

Hinsichtlich der Folgen

Hinsichtlich der damit verbundenen Folgen

This is the thing: you can add a Partizipialsatz anywhere you have a noun

So they can even be added inside of prepositional phrases

Hinsichtlich der Folgen weltweit

That's not a part of a Partizipialsatz, that's additional info for the noun

Hard to explain

Remember how we talked before about multiple things can join together and all "fit" in position 1?

You know, I'm not sure

These kinds of sentences are quite common for C1 level texts. Get ready 😈

It's the kind of sentence you see in like a scientific paper

"hinsichtlich" is a fancy preposition, for example, 😄

It's C-level at any rate

[plush pelican]

Would the style have been any better if I'd used "erspäht" instead?

Or erblickt or something?

[delicate tiger]

just leave it as "Die Kinder, die ich gestern gesehen habe, spielen heute im Park."

[plush pelican]

The idea is Partizipialsätze

Want to give more examples of long ones that aren't horrible style?

[delicate tiger]

in this case it just sounds wrong. Your other examples are fine

[plush pelican]

@signal cipher btw, frequent usage of Partizipialsätze as attributive adjectives is also a fancy thing. You see it in formal texts, but in real life, people usually don't speak like that.

@delicate tiger did you see this? He was trying to do middle voice in an Infinitivsatz.

I said I was pretty sure it was wrong, but we wanted a native to see if there is any way to do middle voice in an Infinitivsatz

Middle voice like "das Buch verkauft sich gut"

That's not fancy, that makes you sound like an Opa 👴

[delicate tiger]

I don't think it's wrong, but there has to be a nicer wording

[plush pelican]

I am shooketh

Any ideas on a nicer wording?

[delicate tiger]

working on it

I don't like it, but I can't think of a wording that keeps all information intact

[plush pelican]

Interesting

But that's definitely grammatically correct?

And that's expressing "the pool filled itself yesterday", and that that's good?

[delicate tiger]

no, someone did it, but it's not important who did it

[plush pelican]

Do you mean write the Partizipialsatz in the space of an adverb, or what?

[plush pelican]

@signal cipher ah, so it's not middle voice, but it is grammatically correct, technically.

Middle voice would be if the pool itself is the implied subject

Accusative objects in the main clause can be the implied subject of the Infinitivsatz

That's what Hammer's said

Ich habe dich beim Spielen gesehen.

Would work

If that's what you mean?

[delicate tiger]

"Ich habe dich spielen sehen" also works

[plush pelican]

Infinitiv without zu!

I forgot

@delicate tiger the Hammer's thing is

Er bat Peter, sich zu entschuldigen

Here, the implied subject is the accusative object of the main clause, Peter

Unlike most of the time, when the implied subject of the Infinitivsatz is the subject of the main clause

You're learning rapidly, it's a lot of information

[hushed dawn]

I would like to ask about Redewiedergabe in "Nach" , "Laut" , and "Zufolge"

in these cases , we dont use konjunktiv 1 right ? instead we do normal verb conjugation

is this correct ?
as an examples

Laut ihr sind Kommunikationspausen notwendig (and not seien). ?

[plush pelican]

I believe you can use either Konj. 1 or Indikativ, depending on how much distance you want to put between yourself and the statements

Pull up a news report, and they will probably be doing "laut/nach/zufolge" along with Konj. 1, because they like to keep distance in general as reporters

[hushed dawn]

alright

[sudden tendon]

Hallo meine Freunde

Ich will die Wörter das haben -stellen zum Ende üben. Bitte teilt mit mir deine top 10 benützisch Wörter das haben -stellen

[plush pelican]

https://www.dict.cc/?s=*stellen

[sudden tendon]

ooooo but it doesn't show frequency or translation

[plush pelican]

🤷‍♂️

[sudden tendon]

I want top 10 -stellen for usefulness that natives know are used all the time. I see lots of -stellen but they seem niche

[plush pelican]

I don't have a list like that

[plush pelican]

If you click each word, it will show translations

[sudden tendon]

is all personal opinion. not formal or anythinh

[sudden tendon]

Sure, but there are 10,000 subexamples and no indication as to whether zeigen or bestellen should be used for 'to illustrate'

not beginner friendly

[plush pelican]

German in general isn't super beginner friendly, especially if you're trying to find a list of "10 most common words ending in -stellen"

[warped oriole]

Bestellen
Zustellen
Einstellen
Erstellen
Vorstellen
Verstellen

[sudden tendon]

ooo danke

[warped oriole]

I guess there are a lot of usefull stellen worda

[sudden tendon]

ja is why I want to target some now

[plush pelican]

verstellen, ooh, haven't heard that one

[sudden tendon]

help me for reading

nodnod

I will paste these ones into my learning space

tank you @warped oriole

[warped oriole]

Really?

[plush pelican]

yes?

[warped oriole]

@sudden tendon some words have multiple meanings

[sudden tendon]

ja I saw is why it is overwhelming to give 150 words lol

[warped oriole]

Like vorstellen

[sudden tendon]

is like a math question

five questions with 12 subquestions

but now I can focus my energy

and use dict.cc thingy to gain meaning for these common -stellen

vielen dank

[warped oriole]

Nein 😮

[plush pelican]

In welchem Zusammenhang hätte ich das schon hören sollen?

[warped oriole]

Einstellungen verstellen.
Sich selber verstellen.

[plush pelican]

I think my stuff says "Einstellungen ändern" 😅

or just "Einstellungen"

[sudden tendon]

ändern ändern

[warped oriole]

But Einstellungen verstellen means more than ändern. It means that you changed it in the wrong way 😂

[plush pelican]

oh, I see

Dict.CC said one meaning of "verstellen" was just "adjust"

[sudden tendon]

whispers this is why I asked a native speaker

[warped oriole]

This also. It's not neccessary in the wrong way.

[sudden tendon]

[warped oriole]

But for adjust I would use einstellen

[sudden tendon]

How to know if the prefix moves? Just memorisation?

[plush pelican]

and "verstellen" for "adjust wrongly"?

[plush pelican]

It depends on which prefix

[sudden tendon]

oo oki I will looknat that later then

[plush pelican]

Some prefixes are always separable, some are never inseparable, some are sometimes separable depending on the meaning

[sudden tendon]

seems complicated

[warped oriole]

You have to know which prefix is movable

[plush pelican]

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Separables.html

[sudden tendon]

oh and which isn't a prefix anymore

[plush pelican]

This website lists separable prefixes, and has links to inseparable prefixes, and "sometimes separable" prefixes

[sudden tendon]

like in English, we had some words start as prefixes and now they embody a whole word and so they aren't seen as prefixes anymore

[sudden tendon]

oo

[plush pelican]

that happens in German as well, but idk that there's an easy list of every time that has happened.

[sudden tendon]

ja I will do -stellen and then see

I know anrufen and aussehen are separable

me learnin'

[warped oriole]

Like become? The be was a prefix

[sudden tendon]

ja like dis

and describe

de+scribe

overcome

overtake

überholen!!

[warped oriole]

Ich umfahre dich.
Ich fahre dich um.
Ich fahre um dich.

[sudden tendon]

[warped oriole]

Habe ich dich umgefahren?

[plush pelican]

um- is an example of a prefix that is sometimes separable, depending on which definition is being used

and then the 3rd one isn't a prefix at all, but "um" as a preposition

confusingly, most prefixes in German are also potentially prepositions

[warped oriole]

@plush pelican You are good at explaining

[plush pelican]

because I have been the person who was confused, 😄

[warped oriole]

@plush pelican how would you say those three examples in english?

I drive you over I know

[plush pelican]

1. I drive around you.
2. I run you over. (confusingly, "run" here still means you are driving)
3. I drive around you in circles.

[warped oriole]

Ah ok. I didn't know if there is a shorter way of saying 3). But there isn't. Right?

[plush pelican]

Well, "I drive around you" is kind of ambiguous, so you could use it for 3.

in practice, I think you always add "in circles" for clarity

[warped oriole]

But then you need context

[plush pelican]

or you could say, "I circle you"

but that doesn't imply it's in a car and driving

[warped oriole]

@plush pelican How good is your speaking in german? For me I can understand english very well and writing is ok. But speaking is lacking a lot.

[plush pelican]

Depends on how much sleep I've had 😅

I still make mistakes regularly

even obvious mistakes, mistakes I wouldn't make while typing

it's all a lot harder at speaking speed

even in English, I'm a lot more articulate when typing than when speaking

the typing gives my brain buffering time, 😄

[sudden tendon]

[warped oriole]

But will the words come to your mind fast or do you have trouble to remember the words you want to say?

[plush pelican]

my active vocabulary is quite limited

I speak once a week with another German learner

Every single conversation, there will be multiple times I pause to look up a word

[warped oriole]

Fröschchen

[sudden tendon]

ja das bin ich

armes ich

hinter in der heiß

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-olaf-melting-olafmelting-melt-gif-21121003

[plush pelican]

Man hat auch den Vorteil beim Tippen, dass man ja am Computer sitzt und dementsprechend Wörter heimlich nachschlagen kann, ohne dass es wirklich bemerkt wird

[sudden tendon]

vorteil vorteil

[plush pelican]

behind in the hot?

[sudden tendon]

ich kenne diese worte

[plush pelican]

die Hitze = heat

[warped oriole]

Genau

[sudden tendon]

hinter hinter

[plush pelican]

hinter is also "behind"?

[sudden tendon]

hinterlanddddd outside

ausland

[warped oriole]

@plush pelican was this even grammatically correct? I feel like I do a lot of mistakes. But I don't know because none will correct me xD

[plush pelican]

well, there's no commas at all, 😅

do you have trouble remembering the words

I said earlier, idk if you were here, when German has an Infinitivsatz, English often has a gerund (-ing thing)

[warped oriole]

Yeah commas are my weakness even in german

[plush pelican]

I feel like I make a lot of mistakes

If I recall correctly, do/make is:

• do + verb
• make + noun

[plush pelican]

because no one will correct me

[warped oriole]

Haha thank you. I knew there is a lot.

[plush pelican]

idk why it's "no one" there rather than "none", 😄

I studied German, not English

you're thinking of "keiner" from the German?

or niemand?

[warped oriole]

I guess no one is like nicht einer and none is niemand?

[plush pelican]

"niemand" = no one

jemand = someone

"none" I think is usually non-living things?

[warped oriole]

I really need to study english more.

[plush pelican]

or at least, when you're talking about people, "no one" rather than "none"

that's just a guess

Technically, you can do "none" with people, but it's more impersonal and a bit weird

"None shall pass"

[warped oriole]

None of you

[plush pelican]

Yeah...I really don't know the difference, 😅

[warped oriole]

So none is more like keiner

And no one is nicht einer 😂

[plush pelican]

Niemand hilft mir = No one is helping me.

or also "Nobody is helping me."

That doesn't explain "None shall pass", though 🤔

[warped oriole]

What do you think about the non-standard present progressive in german?
Niemand ist mir am helfen.

[plush pelican]

I mean, I'm not a native

I don't know what's "natural" or not

Ahcos explained how he thinks it should only be used in certain circumstances.

[sudden tendon]

die Leute hilft mir

[warped oriole]

None (of you) shall pass. Maybe?

[plush pelican]

*helfen, "Leute" is plural

[sudden tendon]

nein is like french, tout le monde

or is there another word

how to say everyone instead of people

[delicate tiger]

niemand ist mir am helfen am tun am sein

[sudden tendon]

überall(?)

[plush pelican]

jeder/alle

[sudden tendon]

I thought that's everywhere

hmm

oo

each help

[plush pelican]

Alle helfen mir.

[sudden tendon]

jeder hilft mir

[plush pelican]

Jeder hilft mir

[sudden tendon]

jeden leute hilft mir

jeden mensch hilft mir

oo

[plush pelican]

nobody is helping me be?

[sudden tendon]

die menschen helfen mir

ohne = without but can it also mean "except"?

[warped oriole]

Alle Leute helfen mir

[plush pelican]

außer = except

[sudden tendon]

alle leute helfen mirrrrrr

[sudden tendon]

außerdem meaning "additionally" or "also" feels like an oxymoron now

[delicate tiger]

no, basically still the same meaning

[sudden tendon]

holy pete

[plush pelican]

your internet messed up

[sudden tendon]

is always like this with specific people

[plush pelican]

it repeats people it finds important, 😛

[sudden tendon]

was actually blocked people

[warped oriole]

So Argus is special

[sudden tendon]

lmfao

[delicate tiger]

"nobody is doing anything helping me"

[sudden tendon]

awks

[warped oriole]

Froooosch

[sudden tendon]

[warped oriole]

Froschschenkelschweiß

[sudden tendon]

frosch chen kel schweiß

what means kel schweiß

was meint das

[warped oriole]

Frosch Schenkel Schweiß

[sudden tendon]

ooohhhh I see

was meint das

schenkel schweiß

ich bin frosch

[warped oriole]

Frog thigh(leg) sweat

[sudden tendon]

ewww

das reicht nicht gut

[warped oriole]

I just used Google translate for Schenkel xD

[sudden tendon]

französischfroschschenkelschweiß

wann ist die dollarama geöffnet

ich werde sehen

heute ist mittwoch oder donnenstag

aw der händler ist nur bis 18h00 geöffnet, das ist schade

[plush pelican]

"geöffnet" is another one of those words that is used in a very unique way

[sudden tendon]

oh nein

that word already makes me say öff though

[plush pelican]

IIRC, you can say, "der Laden hat bis 18h geöffnet" meaning "The shop is open until 18:00"

[sudden tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-simpsons-gif-14031953

[sudden tendon]

oo

like

haben geburtstag

[plush pelican]

https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewGeneraldiscussion.php?idForum=4&idThread=1455434&lp=ende&lang=de

With institutions like restaurants, governmental authorities, businesses, "ist geöffnet" or "hat geöffnet" are mostly synonymous

[plush pelican]

When the building itself is meant, then you'd rather use "ist geöffnet" (das Geschäft ist geöffnet.)

When the person responsible is meant, then you'd rather use "hat geöffnet" (Wir haben geöffnet)

But that's just a rule of thumb

another comment below

strictly speaking, only the Zustandspassive (ist geöffnet) is correct with your examples: Die Kaffeehäuser sind meistens bis 23 Uhr geöffnet."

The variants with "haben" do get used, but I find that that's rather colloquial, maybe even regional. But others might see that differently.

One time where you can't complain about it, though, is if a specific time in the past is mentioned: "Das Kaffeehaus hat heute Morgen um 8 Uhr geöffnet."

So yeah, there are apparently...opinions on this, 😅

[kindred pollen]

How would I say ,,backseat driver" in German? Is there a special idiom?

[plush pelican]

not sure, sorry

[sudden tendon]

ja like in Englisch

[prisma hearth]

how does “zwar” work in German? I’ve been told it translates decently to “namely” in english, but idek how THAT works 😭

[plush pelican]

one of its meanings translates to "namely"

The one called "the clarifying zwar" on this page: https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/german-adverb-zwar/

[signal cipher]

Ich wies nicht Namely aber ich weis zwar.

[vernal ermine]

Is it compulsory to use nouns always with articles.

[plush pelican]

no, that's why there's a 3rd table for declension when there's neither a definite article, nor an indefinite article in front of it

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension#Strong-declension

That being said, having no article at all is a bit uncommon

[signal cipher]

This is for doctors.

No article here I guess

[vernal ermine]

I want to tell -> wir haben Tanzwettbewerb und Gesangwettbewerb geführt. Can I skip article here?

[vernal ermine]

Any idea?

[plush pelican]

What do you mean, you "led" a dance competition?

You were the organizers?

[vernal ermine]

Yes

[plush pelican]

"veranstalten" works better then, I think

And it would be an indefinite article, I think: Wir haben einen Tanzwettbewerb und einen Gesangwettbewerb veranstaltet.

Wait, were they 2 separate competitions, or 1 competition that did both?

[vernal ermine]

2 did on 1 day

[plush pelican]

Wir haben am selben Tag einen Tanzwettbewerb und einen Gesangswettbewerb veranstaltet.

[vernal ermine]

@plush pelican does extra is an adjective?

[plush pelican]

Yeah

[vernal ermine]

But if we use adjective ending extrae, extraes, extraen - does it comes like that?

@plush pelican ?

Does ae -> ä change?

I have not seen extra used?

[plush pelican]

"extra" is from English. Certain words, especially ones borrowed directly from another language and that haven't been in the language a long time, don't get declined.

[vernal ermine]

Is there any source where English converted German words are there? @plush pelican

[plush pelican]

Turns out, I'm wrong about the origins. The adjective version is actually borrowed from Latin, back in the 1500s.

[plain umbra]

For such things as this specific example, Wiktionary tends to have good info about usage.

[plush pelican]

I would've sworn it was English, 😄

[vernal ermine]

But little similar 😜

[vernal ermine]

Danke 🙂

[pearl narwhal]

hallo sind die satz korrekt?

Am wochenende schreiben ich meinem vater einen brief.
Am wochenende ich meinen vater einen brief geschreiben.

für mich (not a native speaker) die satz "Am wochende schreiben ich einem brief für meinen vater" klingt besser

[acoustic breach]

The word structure of the first sentence is correct, but you have to conjugate the verb "schreiben" and capitalise the nouns

The second has the same problem of uncapitalised nouns, and it is also missing the auxiliary verb "habe"

And
*die Sätze (Plural of "der Satz")
*Für mich klingt der Satz... besser

[plain umbra]

I'll give some general advice on top of what Held already said: it seems to me like you're rushing into topics too fast without properly learning the earlier topics. My tip for you would be to go back to the simpler topics first and study them properly before jumping into these more complicated sentences. I know it might seem like a simple sentence but it uses quite a few grammar concepts that take time to learn.

[charred harbor]

To add to this it should also be “meinem Vater” and “geschrieben”

[acoustic breach]

Ach thanks, I didnt see that

[pearl narwhal]

yup thats my bad im doing some exercicies and im writing it on my paper and i forgot to conjugate the verb and also forgot to add the auxiliary verb while passing it to discord.

so its

Am Wochenende schreibe ich meinem Vater einen brief.
Am Wochenende ich habe meinem Vater einen brief geschreiben.
do i need to put the auxiliary verb in front of the person or it goes to the start of the sentence?

[charred harbor]

Brief needs to be capitalised in both sentences
“Habe” is in the wrong spot
And as I said “meinem Vater” and “geschrieben” in sentence 2 :p

[acoustic breach]

Despite that, first sentence is good

[pearl narwhal]

the problem is that i already learnt them im just clumsy, the German sentence structure really messes my head

[plain umbra]

There's a difference between learning the info and actually internalising it through practice. What I mean is that just because you have heard the rules/concepts before doesn't mean you learned them properly. For example, you don't know where a verb goes in a simple sentence, right?

[acoustic breach]

@pearl narwhal tip: the "habe" is placed the same place as where you placed the "schreibe" in the first sentence

[plain umbra]

You also got the gender wrong with Satz. It's fine not to have memorised all the genders, but it is important to recognise the importance of genders and generally you should double check them if you're not sure.

[pearl narwhal]

the gender part i have been trying to memorize but i always mess it up because i just think in the other languages that i know and i just end up using the same gender.
and the part of placing the verbs i usually do it right but yhe i really messes up this time. i wrote it in the right place in my paper but somehow i ended up messing it up twice while writing the message on discord.
I think i just really need to take my time while posting my questions, sorry about that

[plain umbra]

No need to apologise, but yes, taking time when posting questions is good because you will get a better and faster answer and it's also easier for the people helping you.

[pearl narwhal]

i have been studying dativ and the other cases because i struggle a lot with these topics. But its not only in German even in my main language i tend to struggle with this things.

[plain umbra]

What are you struggling with with Dativ?

[pearl narwhal]

i think i have gotten better but i couldnt recognize it in a sentence and sometimes i would mess it up with nominativ

[plain umbra]

Oh okay, so you just mean memorising the articles? Not how/when to use it?

[pearl narwhal]

no the opposite i know the articles i just dont really know when to use them. i have been doing some exercices from the websites that this server recommends and it has been helping me, but sometimes i still doubt myself

[plain umbra]

This article may be useful.

faq akk dat

[stoic mauve]

accusative vs dative

Both accusative case and dative case are used for objects in a sentence. This FAQ explains when to use each case. It’s recommended to learn and practice each of the following subtopics separately.

Verbs with 1 Object

For the majority of verbs, they have one object and the object is accusative. However, sometimes the object is dative. For example, "helfen": “Ich helfe dir.” You can find a list of these dative verbs here. Rarely, verbs also have genitive objects, but this is so uncommon that you don’t need to actively learn them.

Verbs with 2 Objects

For verbs with 2 objects, the following rule typically applies: the direct object is accusative and the indirect object is dative. For example: Ich gebe dem Mann das Buch. A very small number of verbs have 2 accusative objects. The only common example of that is “lehren”.

Prepositions with 1 Case

For most prepositions, you can just memorise which case the prepositions uses. For example, “mit” always has a dative object while “ohne” always has an accusative object.

Two-Way Prepositions

Some prepositions can have either an accusative or dative object, depending on the exact meaning. The basic explanation is that dative objects are for describing the location of something, while accusative is used to describe a change of location. Specifically, in the accusative version, the person/object starts in one place and ends in a different place.

Dative (location): Ich bin im Haus. (I am in the house.)
Accusative (change of location): Ich gehe in das Haus. (I walk into the house.)

Please note that the accusative version does not mean “movement”. Movement that happens all in one location will still be dative.

Dative (location): Ich gehe im Park. (I am walking inside the park.)
Accusative (change of location): Ich gehe in den Park. (I go to the park./I walk into the park.)

Other Resources

Visual diagram of these rules: [Link to post](#questions message)
Diagram of common prepositions: [Link to post](#questions message)

[plain umbra]

For nominative, it's a lot simpler. The subject is always nominative, but also, when you use verbs sein, werden, bleiben, heißen, the "object" of those verbs is nominative.

So for example: Ich bin ein Mann. "ich" and "ein Mann" are both nominative because the verb is "sein".

Those are the only uses of nominative as far as I know.

[pearl narwhal]

ok thanks that actually helped specially the part of the "change of location", also i know that there are specific objects for nominativ, i think thats the right name like "durch, für, gegen, ohne and um" but i dont think i have studied them in my class which i find weird but maybe thats a problem because i switched teachers between A1.1 and A1.2

[plain umbra]

i know that there are specific objects for nominativ, i think thats the right name like "durch, für, gegen, ohne and um" but i dont think i have studied them in my class which i find weird but maybe thats a problem because i switched teachers between A1.1 and A1.2
Those words are called prepositions and the ones you listed are accusative prepositions. There are no nominative prepositions.

[pearl narwhal]

my bad i switched the names.

[fervent kernel]

why can't i go in vc

[pearl narwhal]

im sorry for asking a lot of questions but i have been holding them for a while and im using the opportunity to just send as many as i can.

i already read the >explain Past Tense explanation from the bot but i have been wondering when im writing a text in the past, as an example im explaining what i did last weekend i can just use both perfekt and Präteritum, (even tough Präteritum is more used in writing). Thats at least what i have been doing since i learned them.

i think both are right but the second one just sounds better on paper
Ich war im Kino.
Ich bin in Kino gegangen.

[hushed dawn]

I am writing an "application for hospitation email in a certain department in hospital"
Should the email be correctly written as this
"Bewerbung auf eine Hospitation im Bereich X"

i just want to make sure is it auf ?

[signal cipher]

er betrachtet sich selbst im Spiegel.

er betrachtet ihm selbst im Spiegel.

Sind das beide gleich

[plain umbra]

You should be consistent in which tense you use. Switching between them randomly is bad style and generally would get marked as incorrect.

Of course, as you saw in the FAQ, even when you speak Perfekt, you use some verbs in Präteritum. That doesn't count as randomly swapping. It's still consistent.

But unless it's something like that, you shouldn't swap around.

[pearl narwhal]

thank you very much

[timber sandal]

What's the difference between "verhindern" and "hindern". And also is there a kind of rule where -ver refers to something that applies to most verbs with ver?

or do just have to learn the verbs with -ver by heart?

[fervent kernel]

Dieses Virus brachte eine Vielzahl von Krankheiten mit sich.
Would the sentence be grammatically correct if I write "mit ihr" instead of "mit sich"?

[fervent kernel]

I see it's the same question here

[south zenith]

Verhindern is typically used with what is prevented and that it doesn’t happen, hindern is used on the person and preventing them from doing it, not necessarily preventing the thing from being done

[timber sandal]

ok just wanted to confirm that. but are there any rules with -ver for verbs

[south zenith]

I’d say no, ihr is not a reflexive pronoun

[south zenith]

Not that I know of, imo it’s the least consistent prefix

[timber sandal]

ok thanks

[fervent kernel]

How do I know which to use?

[vernal ermine]

I have a question. Gegeben is an adjective . In verb form it is used with haben for conjugation.If I use with sein like Hausaufgaben sind gegeben. Does it be wrong?

[acoustic breach]

I feel like it's wrong

[acoustic breach]

I would say die Hausaufgaben werden/wurden gegeben

Partizip 2 (gegeben), used the way you did, is basically Zustandspassiv, a passive sentence that shows a state

Example: geöffnet

Die Tür wurde/werde geöffnet: the door was/is being opened -> you are describing the process that someone was/is opening the door

Die Tür war/ist geöffnet: the door was/is open -> the state of being "not closed"

Im not sure how "gegeben" could be described as a "state"

However, as an adjective, it could be used this way:
Die gestern gegebenen Hausaufgaben habe ich fertig gemacht

[outer edge]

Hi, in this phrase:
Stell dir vor, es gibt andere Menschen, die haben auch Berufe
Why the order at the end is not changed?
Why it is not: "die auch Berufe haben"?

[vernal ermine]

@acoustic breach Vielen Dank❤

[south zenith]

Sich is used with er/sie/es when the action is does to the same thing doing the action, the object of the verb is the same as the subject

[eternal stream]

what does each word mean in es tut mier leid

do the spaces not matter?

[plush pelican]

In this instance, "die" is not a relative pronoun, but instead used like a normal pronoun

Siehst du den Typ dort drüben? Der sieht total fertig aus.
Do you see the guy over there? He/that guy looks totally exhausted.

This is typical of colloquial German, using "der/die/das" instead of "er/sie/es"

But this also creates a kind of distance between you and the person you're describing with "der/die/das", so you mostly use it for strangers, I think

[steep galleon]

"Es" is the pronoun "it".
"tut" is a form of the verb "tun", which means "to do" or "to cause". in this context, it translates to "does" or "causes".
"mir" is the dative form of the pronoun "ich", which means "I" or "me". in dative case, "mir" translates to "to me".
"leid" is a noun that means "sorry" in this context.

[eternal stream]

so a simpler version could be ich leid

[outer edge]

ooh thanks

[steep galleon]

No, thats not a grammaticly correct sentence

[eternal stream]

ich bin leid?

[steep galleon]

No its also not correct

[eternal stream]

ah

[plush pelican]

Just accept that "das tut (someone) leid" is a fixed phrase

das tut mir leid
das tut ihm leid
das tut uns leid

[eternal stream]

ah

sorry just wondering

[plush pelican]

also, the verb is "leidtun", it's a separable verb

"leid" isn't an adjective here

Here's a video on separable verbs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tizr0WwCzFQ

[eternal stream]

danke

[fervent kernel]

Thx

[eternal stream]

What is the word for “at” in German or what would I use to say “i am good/bad at ______”

[lucid fable]

you would say in

"ich bin gut in sprechen"

[whole portal]

Prepositions can't truly be translated between languages since they are often arbitrary

Why are you on a bus and not in it?

[whole portal]

In is correct here but this sentence doesn't work since you can't just put a verb as object

[lucid fable]

im Sprechen

[whole portal]

Yes

[lucid fable]

mb

im tweaking a bit

[whole portal]

Altho that sentence is a bit weird either way tbh

I guess if you're like a news reader or something you can claim to be good at the act of speaking

[acoustic tendon]

what's a better way to say that

[whole portal]

I just meant that we don't usually talk about how good we are at just speaking lol

[lucid fable]

thats what i mean

[lucid fable]

doesn't seem unusual to me?

[whole portal]

How would you be bad at speaking

[acoustic tendon]

there are terrible speakers

[lucid fable]

loads of ppl are bad at speaking

[whole portal]

Maybe if you stutter or something idk

[acoustic tendon]

no

most people aren't good speakers

politicians are however

[whole portal]

Sprechen in your sentence does not mean the ability to hold eloquent speeches

[acoustic tendon]

oh

then what's the word

[whole portal]

It means the ability to use your mouth to create sounds that we recognize as language

[acoustic tendon]

okay, then what's the word

for speaking in that sense

[whole portal]

I think you'd just say Ich bin gut darin, vor Leuten zu sprechen/Reden zu halten or some variation of that

Ich bin ein guter Redner.

[acoustic tendon]

Reden kann er

doesn't the word reden have the speech giving connotation to it

in some contexts

[whole portal]

Yes I'd say so

[acoustic tendon]

so "ich bin gut im Reden" might work??

[whole portal]

With some context yeah but I think most people would still add something beyond just that

[acoustic tendon]

i see, thank you

learned a few differences between reden and sprechen

[old roost]

does vorhin and vorher have any meaning difference? sounds same to me

[signal cipher]

But they are not

https://hinative.com/questions/10646208

[old roost]

thanks!

[old roost]

do you think früher is earlier in the same sense as the vorhin?

[signal cipher]

Natives would answer better

[light rain]

"Vorhin" is used when you are talking about an activity with reference to present time. When that reference is not there, "vorher" is used.

"Vorher musste er sich die Haare kämmen."
He had to comb his hair beforehand.

"Vorhin ging ich spazieren, jetzt ruhe ich mich aus."
Before now (or earlier), I was taking a walk. Now I am resting.

I hope this helps. I am not a native speaker, still a learner, so I explained based on my understanding.

[light rain]

To answer this (again to my own understanding), "früher" would be better applied when describing events in distant past.
"Früher, als ich ein Kind war, hatte ich oft draußen gespielt."

[old roost]

So I can't use "Ich habe Kaffee früher getrunken, aber ich bin noch sehr müde". This one use vorhin

[light rain]

You can, colloquially, but for the sake of accurate and precise speaking, I would use "vorhin".

[old roost]

I see...

[light rain]

Remember:
A while ago? Yes. Related to now? Yes. "Vorhin"
A while ago? Yes. Related to now? Not necessarily. "Vorher"
A while ago? Not necessarily. "Früher".

[old roost]

Not necessarily a while ago means really past event?

[light rain]

Yes.

I know it is quite complicated to grasp. That is how the language can be. One word in English can have multiple words in German, most times depending on context.

[hushed dawn]

Eigentlich müssten zwischen den Aribetsphasen eine Ruhezeit von meindestens elf Stunden gewährleistet werden.

this is an exercise for Konjuntiv 1

i dont understand why is it müssten and not müsse ?

[light rain]

Konjuktiv I or II?

[hushed dawn]

1

[light rain]

This looks more like Konjuktiv II to me. The only way I see "müsse" being used there is if that sentence would be quoted as indirect speech, which is what Konjuktiv I is mainly about.

"Der Manager behauptet, eine Ruhezeit von mindestens elf Stunden müsse zwischen den Arbeitsphasen gewährleistet werden."

All based on my understanding, corrections are welcome, where necessary.

[south zenith]

Should that not be müsste? Instead of müssten? The subject is eine Ruhezeit Right?

[plush pelican]

You do use Konjunktiv 2 as a replacement for Konjunktiv 1 when K1 would otherwise be identical with Indikativ (for example, when the subject is plural).

But here the subject seems to be "eine Ruhezeit", in which case you'd just do "müsse", I would think 🤔

Can you share a pic of the exercise? It feels like we're missing some context or something.

[plush pelican]

Well, "müsste" wouldn't be Konj. 1

[south zenith]

My point is eine Ruhezeit is singular not plural

[plush pelican]

Right

[hushed dawn]

yes moment

@plush pelican Lösung ist Nummer 8

[plush pelican]

I meant more like the whole page, the exercise instructions, see if there's something you've overlooked

idk, it looks like they got confused and were thinking of "elf Stunden" as the subject

I know Grammatik Aktiv has had answers that were dubious and sometimes outright wrong before

[hushed dawn]

Yes your right, theres something i overlooked

it says
"Ergänzen Sie die Verben Im Konjunktiv I oder, wenn nötig, im Konjunktiv II."

and now reading the sentence back again it makes sense to use K 2

höfflicher Vorschlag

[plush pelican]

It still shouldn't be in plural, though

[fringe flicker]

Ich habe frage: In "Der Hund ist in das Haus." Is this correct?

[hushed dawn]

Der Hund is in "dem" Haus.
You should use the dativ

[fringe flicker]

@hushed dawn That's what I thought.

To use the accusative, the verb has to directly use the object, correct? e.g. "Der Hund is das Haus."

*ist

[acoustic breach]

You mean "isst" (to eat)?
For animals, the verb is "fressen", so "frisst"

[plush pelican]

no

[fringe flicker]

The dog is in the house/The dog is the house

[plush pelican]

Ich habe Essen für den Hund

certain prepositions require accusative for their object of the preposition.

"in" is a so-called "Wechselpräposition", a 2-way preposition. It can require either accusative or dative, depending. It just so happens that in this sentence, it requires dative, but in other sentences, it can require accusative. For example:

Ich gehe in den Park.
I walk into the park.

[short isle]

the "das Haus" in there is not accusative, it's nominative because this is an equation.

[plush pelican]

Also: not every noun directly used by the verb is in accusative: Ich helfe dem Mann.

[fringe flicker]

Any simplification that differentiates the two cases easily?

[acoustic breach]

Adding to this: there are 4 verbs that uses the Nominativ, which are sein, werden, heißen, bleiben

[acoustic breach]

Have you read >faq cases?

[fringe flicker]

will do.

[acoustic breach]

Im not condemning you for not reading that faq😂 i just thought that it could be a good place to start, if you havent already read it

[fringe flicker]

I have a couple of textbooks that I'm reading, but when doing exercises the accusative and dative seem difficult to differentiate.

e.g. Ich folge dem mann makes sense because there's two independent bodies, while Ich schlag die tur seems like it would be accusative due to direct reciept of the action.

[plush pelican]

Prepositions always require a case of their object of the preposition. Mostly, this is fixed and only a single case (für always requires accusative, mit always requires dative), except for the Wechselpräpositionen that can require either accusative or dative, like "in"

When it comes to the object of the verb: it depends on the verb itself

Some verbs, like "helfen", require a single object in dative

other verbs require a direct object in accusative and an indirect object in dative

some verbs require 2 objects, both in accusative

some verbs require 1 object in genitive

most commonly, you get 1 object in accusative, or a direct object in accusative and an indirect object in dative.

When in doubt: assume an object of the verb is in accusative, but know that you could be wrong.

[fringe flicker]

I think I read that accusative 2-way is used for verbs of movement, no?

[plush pelican]

how to use 2-way prepositions is complicated

it's a whole topic on its own

But let me say here, clearly: it is NOT solely based on movement

the oversimplification many learners make is to think "movement = accusative", but that's not it

Rather, you use accusative when the subject is moving relative to the frame of reference.

when there is a crossing of a boundary

For example

Ich jogge im Park.
Ich jogge in den Park.

Both of these are valid sentences, but the meaning is different

I've used a "verb of movement", and yet in the first sentence, it's in dative (im = in + dem)

How is this possible?

[fringe flicker]

Nice.

[plush pelican]

The object of the preposition (the park) is your frame of reference

[fringe flicker]

Like collision testing

[plush pelican]

In the sentence "Ich jogge im Park", I am moving around, but all of the movement is contained within the park

I am not crossing a boundary, I'm not going into or out of the park

[fringe flicker]

That's how the dog could be in the house in the dative case despite touching the house.

[plush pelican]

so relative to the park, I'm not really changing location

"Ich jogge in den Park."

Here, I am also moving, but I am entering the park.

In English, you can distinguish this by saying "into"

I am jogging into the park.

I have crossed a boundary, the edges of the park. I started outside the park, and end inside the park. I have changed location relative to the park

[fringe flicker]

Is it always a boundary crossing that determines an accusative case?

[short isle]

In your original sentence, "ist in das Haus" only works if you let it also be known that the dog ran in (or walked in if the dog is polite): Der Hund ist in das Haus gelaufen.

[plush pelican]

sort of. It gets a little more complicated when you talk about, for example, putting a book on a table

You're not putting the book inside the table, but you are changing the location of the book from "not on the table" to "on the table"

Ich stelle das Buch auf **den **Tisch.
Das Buch steht auf dem Tisch.

[fringe flicker]

There's boundary contact.

[plush pelican]

There's a couple of verbs where they have verb pairs

where the inherent notion of a change of location is in the verb itself, and so depending on if you do accusative or dative, you have to use a different verb

"stellen/steht" is one such pair

We have this in English, too: I set the cat on the floor. The cat is sitting on the floor.

[fringe flicker]

That's very helpful, using boundary change. Thank you.

Die katze sitzt auf dem Bode has no boundary change, thus dative, correct?

[plush pelican]

Here is a longer article that I got the concept from: https://yourdailygerman.com/german-two-way-prepositions/

[fringe flicker]

So if I got this straight, "Ich helfe" and "Ich folge" would tend to be dative verbs because there's no implied boundary intersection/destination? (steady condition of helping and following)? Compared to Schlag or trinken which imply a boundary intersection/destination?

[plush pelican]

no

the thing about boundaries is used purely when talking about the object of the preposition for 2-way prepositions

Do not try to look for a logic when it comes to what case a verb demands for its object of the verb

Some verbs simply require different cases, and sometimes you can sort of work out a logic, and sometimes, it's just arbitrary

[fringe flicker]

Oh, okay.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

[plush pelican]

for example

"lehren" and "beibringen" both mean "to teach"

"lehren" requires 2 accusative objects

"beibringen" requires 1 accusative direct object, 1 dative indirect object.

Er lehrt mich die Regeln.
Er bringt mir die Regeln bei.

= He teaches me the rules.

[fringe flicker]

"Er lehrt mich." is invalid because there's only one object?

[plush pelican]

No, sorry, I wasn't clear about that

You can do "Er lehrt mich" and not specify what, and then it's just 1 accusative object

[fringe flicker]

ah okay.

Thanks

[pearl knot]

Since there are biliions of synonyms for a word I'm super confused to decide which fits to which. I filled it like this, so if there are any better options for them can somebody help?

[jaunty flame]

Hej. 🙂 not an answer (apologies) but may I ask what book is that?

[pearl knot]

No worries! This is a material from my class stuff. It probably belongs to my teacher. I can send you the full slideshow if you need it

[jaunty flame]

Ach so! Nee nee alles gut, don't want ya to do extra work to do that but thanks for the offer! 🙂

Just seems like a good exercise to test one's vocabulary. 😄

[pearl knot]

oh yeah it definitely is

[plush pelican]

"Im Kasten gibt es Vorschläge aus einem Online-Wörterbuch, die du eventuell anpassen musst."

Where's the Kasten?

You've not included the whole exercise

[pearl knot]

this is the only piece i have of the exercise

[plush pelican]

There's not a box with words in it?

[pearl knot]

nope

[plush pelican]

Then your teacher has screwed up

They cut off the part where there would've been words to choose from

[pearl knot]

she probably filled them during the class but i was not there

[opal jungle]

hallo! Ich habe eine frage 🙂 when we use weil and also a modal verb for example müssen, the modal verb goes to the end of the phrase? for example here: Ich bleibe zu Hause, weil ich arbeiten muss. If this is the case, there are some exceptions with other modal verbs or is always like this? Vielen dank : )

[short isle]

Yes, and there are no exceptions

[opal jungle]

Vielen dank 🙂

[plush pelican]

"weil" is a subordinating conjunction, like "dass"

It causes a dependent clause word order.

This isn't related to modal verbs, but to how verbs are arranged in dependent clause word order.

Thus, even in sentences without modal verbs, you have the same thing happening.

Ich bin glücklich, weil ich Eis gegessen habe.
I am happy, because I ate ice cream.

Here is a video on dependent clauses:

https://youtu.be/d9NvGXY2ASE?si=ibjr15CIvcRbiGY5

[opal jungle]

Perfect! That's really helpfull

[rain talon]

What is the difference between Angst and Ängstlichkeit?
I find on the internet that Angst is more existential dread and Ängstlichkeit is more daily anxiety... But it doesn't really make sense: how would you say "I'm scared of spiders" or things like that...

[short isle]

ich habe Angst vor (den) Spinnen

[rain talon]

Okay so what is the difference between Angst and Ängstlichkeit?

[stone pumice]

hallo

[short isle]

I suppose the same difference between Fear and Fearfulness

[hushed dawn]

Whats is the difference between lügen , belügen and anlügen ?

[ashen heart]

Lügen is just lying, jemanden be-/anlügen is lying to someone.

[hushed dawn]

okay, and is there any difference between belügen and anlügen ?

plus could this be a general rule to other verbs in which there is the verbstamm, and then the same verb with -be / -an indicating that it is toward something/someone (Akkusativ) ?

[signal cipher]

Meanings of prefixes are flu, not fixed, not singular

You can check their meanings on wiktionary

And for details you can check yourdailygerman website

And you can’t create a verb by your own

[light rain]

There is no strong difference between "anlügen" and "belügen". And yes, there are general rules, sort of, which explain how different prefixes affect different verb stems. You should be able to see more information about that online.

[long whale]

There is this 'thing' where the be-verb is used with a direct object, while the un-prefixed/plain verb requires a preposition/prepositional object. Unfortunately, it's not a rule, because there are quite a few very common verbs using the prefix be- which simply have a different meaning, e.g. etwas besitzen (to possess sth) vs. auf etwas sitzen (to sit on sth, like a chair or a couch), or etwas beschreiben (to describe sth) vs. über etwas schreiben (to write about sth).

[jaunty flame]

You're back @long whale 😌

[rain talon]

Kündingen means both to fire someone and to quit. Is there a synonym for one of these that is also used commonly?

Zurücktreten ? Niederlagen? / Entlassen?

Or are these very uncommon?

[acoustic tendon]

feuern

du bist gefeuert

[long whale]

kündigen (spelling) - entlassen is a common synonym. Niederlagen is the plural of die Niederlage -> not a verb.

[untold trellis]

Dies sind genau genommen keine Synonyme. Bis auf Entlassen, aber das kommt auf den Kontext an.

• Er kündigt seinen Job. Ihm wird von der Firma gekündigt.

• Der Politiker ist von seinem Amt zurückgetreten.

• Er ist von seiner Firma entlassen worden. Entlassung geht aber nicht umgekehrt, daß heisst man wird entlassen, aber in der Regel entlässt man sich nicht selbst.

Niederlage wird in einem ganz anderen Zusammenhang benutzt.

[long whale]

jdn feuern = to fire somebody = colloquial

*zurückgetreten (1 word)

[serene mountain]

Going through Duolingo at the moment. Why does it prefer 'Woher kommst du?' instead of 'Wo kommst du aus?'

[serene mountain]

Secondly, this might be entirely incorrect and if so pls correct me 😄

[long whale]

Because it is. Entirely incorrect, that is. 🌻

[rain talon]

@long whale @untold trellis I meant niederlegen sorry

Thanks for your answers

[serene mountain]

Why can't you do it my way?

[long whale]

Because German is a language in its own right. It's not just English using different words -> your sentence is gibberish. 🤷

[long whale]

This is only used when workers go on strike. 🌻

[rain talon]

I think your sentence translates more to "Where are you escaping?"

[acoustic tendon]

wo + aus would be woraus anyways

[plush pelican]

Even translated literally, your sentence is, "Where do you come out?"

[serene mountain]

Doesn't aus mean from too?

[acoustic tendon]

"woraus kommst du" is i think grammatically correct, just doesn't work in the context of where you come from

[plush pelican]

it can, but prepositions are tricky

in certain circumstances, they translate to one preposition. In other circumstances, they translate to others

[serene mountain]

I wish it was as easy as this 😭

[plush pelican]

Here, you just kind of have to accept that the fixed phrase is "Woher kommst du?" or "Woher kommen Sie?" etc

One thing you can do, optionally, is "Wo kommst du her?"

[rain talon]

It might mean out when used correctly, but this is not the correct use of it. You're applying your native language logic and grammar, to learn a new language you need to get used to new ones

[acoustic tendon]

yea i mean why is it "where are you from?" and not "where are you of?" in English

it's the same logic

it just is

[serene mountain]

Yeah but is there any logic behind it like a general formula which can be used for the future?

[acoustic tendon]

there is no such formula

[serene mountain]

Does this only apply to questions?

[long whale]

Does what only apply to questions?

[serene mountain]

The system above

In the sense you can't separate words like that

[signal cipher]

What system

[long whale]

Well, "where" and "wo" are question words, so... 🤷

It does apply to another word, too, but, eh... this usually comes up later.

[plush pelican]

Prepositions in general are the slipperiest part of learning a foreign language, the hardest to pin down.

What we can say is, there are 3 words that are somewhat like "where" in German, but used in different ways.

Wo? = where, a static location, not moving
Wohin? = where to, an arrow pointing from the speaker outwards towards some other place.
Woher? = where from, an arrow pointing from some other place towards the speaker.

This kind of directionality is very baked into the language in German, and will come up again multiple times.

Woher kommt der Igel?
From where comes the hedgehog?

This comes up again for example when you learn about two-way prepositions.

[long whale]

(And the middle one is kind of... rare. It would usually be "Wo ist der Igel?" = Where is the hedgehog? or "Wo läuft der Igel herum?" ~ Where is the hedgehog walking about?)

[signal cipher]

This her hin thing is not always clear for me. For example: vorher, vorhin

[acoustic tendon]

true hin und her mit hin und her

[signal cipher]

What

[serene mountain]

Thank you 🙏

@plush pelican Just a quick question, why is 'Kein Problem' not 'Nein Problem'? If it's just the way it is, why are there two version of saying 'No'?

[plush pelican]

generally speaking, the idea is:

• If you are negating the verb or something else, use "nicht", which is roughly "not"
• If you are negating a noun, use "kein", which is roughly like "not one". Think of it as "ein" plus a "K" at the front, where the "K" represents the negation.

Ich habe eine Kuh.
Ich habe keine Kuh.

Ich habe ein Problem.
Ich habe kein Problem.

[serene mountain]

Thank you again

I did not realise German was going to be so difficult 😆 - I am sure everyone has said this at some stage

[plush pelican]

It's like a foreign language or something, 😄

[signal cipher]

Only adjectives declension is hard

[serene mountain]

Honestly, the whole feminine, masculine and neuter stuff makes me so 😠

[plush pelican]

You already had experience learning how many languages before German? 2? 3?

[signal cipher]

2

[plush pelican]

It's a whole different experience if German is your first foreign language

[signal cipher]

But then we should say learning a new language is hard not specifically German.

Learning German also has a good advantage. Billions of sources.

[plush pelican]

I mean, I didn't say German specifically was hard, I was saying your first foreign language is hard

[signal cipher]

Then I didn’t understand why you said that

[serene mountain]

Was German your first language?

[plush pelican]

my first foreign language, yes

[warped oriole]

This one is tricky and really not clear. You just have to learn the meaning of those. Knowing what hin and her means doesn't help here.

[serene mountain]

What resources did you use to learn?

[plush pelican]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXT17O_M6NW6DUUOVpGCEyCz07QfJhYRJa7R8oWEKok/edit

These, plus many more

[serene mountain]

Danke

[signal cipher]

Danke schön

[serene mountain]

Was there anything that really stuck out as being helpful?

[plush pelican]

If only in the document I had specifically singled out a "Top 4 Resources"....

Did you read the first line?

[signal cipher]

Google search. Instead of following a source, searching topics on multiple sources helps me more. I also ask here a lot.

[serene mountain]

Nope haha, just gave it a skim read and saved it

Will look at it properly tomorrow as I am doing something else at the same time as messaging here

[warped oriole]

What do you find hard about it?

[signal cipher]

Too many to memorize. Weak, strong, mixed. Also we choose according to gender. Which is also takes time to memorize.

[plush pelican]

In English, you don't have to decline adjectives at all

"red" is just "red"

not "rot, rote, roten, roter, rotem, rotes"

4 cases times 4 gender/plural times 3 declensions (strong, weak, mixed) = 48 possibilities

I spend most of my brain power when talking trying to keep the cases and declensions straight

[warped oriole]

There are more combinations than for articles, right?
Like:
Schneller Hund
Der schnelle Hund
Ein schneller Hund
In dem großen Haus.
In großem Haus.

But also most of the time you just use -e or -en endings.

But I can see why you find this part hard

[signal cipher]

English no case, no gender
Bulgarian no case, there is gender
Turkish there is case, no gender
German there are both case and gender 😦

[plush pelican]

for the most part/most of the time

[warped oriole]

But the most have e or en endings 😄

[plush pelican]

like half of the time...and even that varies, depending on which type of declension you're doing

[signal cipher]

Memorizing endings is not problem. Memorizing choice is problem

[plush pelican]

die guten Männer
gute Männer

[signal cipher]

By the way these are very good listening videos

https://youtu.be/v9C44PCDNkw?si=RKKT8ph7Zm2TZ455

[warped oriole]

Isn't it more like 80% of the time? 🤔 😄

[plush pelican]

The way it's spread out, it doesn't fit together neatly. It's just varied enough to make it difficult to predict

[rain talon]

Doing a little bit if everything really.
A bit of flashcard, a bit of grammar exercises, a bit of immersion (shows, podcast, music, books,...), a bit of language apps (I personally don't recommend Duolingo as it expects you to just guess the grammar and causes confusion, I always recommend Busuu but there are many apps for many types of people), a bit of texting ( #beginner-german is a great opportunity), etc.

Even a bit of actual classes if you have the opportunity

[scenic siren]

Would you advice to prioritize Bildungssprache word over a regular one when learning a new word?

[long whale]

No.

[scenic siren]

@long whale thank you

[signal cipher]

Was ist das

[long whale]

Bildungssprache? The kind of word which gets marked as geh./gehoben in dictionaries. Like https://www.dwds.de/wb/rezipieren, for example.

I.e. not colloquial/umgangssprachlich/Slang, but not a word you'll often hear in daily conversation, either.

[signal cipher]

Danke schön

[broken oasis]

"Es war einmal ein kleines Mädchen, dem war Vater und Mutter gestorben, und (...)". Why is it "dem"? I'm not sure why it is dative.

From "Die Sterntaler" by Brothers Grimm

[long whale]

Look, you're reading German from 250 years ago. It's a lot like reading Shakespeare. -> Don't. Find something else to read. 🌻

[broken oasis]

@long whale So it's not correct german anymore? I need to read it, because my teacher told me to.

[long whale]

(This particular Dativ construction simply doesn't exist anymore in today's Standard German.)

[long whale]

Sheesh! 👀

[broken oasis]

I know

[long whale]

Yeah, so, it used to be "jemandem (Dativ) ist jemand (Nom) gestorben" (and it's still used in some dialects, I think, but otherwise - forget about it).

Like... somebody died on me

-> her parents had died on the little girl

And it's "dem", since "das Mädchen" is a neuter noun.

[ashen heart]

I wouldn't say it's grammatically incorrect, just an unusual syntax, a little out of fashion to say it that way, but you still can. "Mir ist die Mutter gestorben" is pretty much the same as "Mir ist das Haus eingestürzt".

[long whale]

Ehh - but you wouldn't/couldn't say "Mir ist die Eltern gestorben" (which is basically what happened in the original sentence)

[ashen heart]

I do think you can say "Mir sind die Eltern gestorben" bzw. "Ihm waren die Eltern gestorben".

Maybe we need another opinion or a source on that, I couldn't find one now, but it really does sound very normal to me.

[ashen heart]

Like "Mir ist etwas passiert", this incident happened to me, basically.

[acoustic tendon]

interesting

[warped oriole]

@ashen heart @long whale I somehow agree to you both 😄

[long whale]

Yeah, but you used the verb in plural there.

[copper orchid]

7. Ja, er lassen Sie ein Wörterbuch zu benutzen
8. Ja, er lässt ihn ohne Kontrolle durchfahren
10. Ja, er lässt sich mühelos übersetzen
11. Ja, er lässt sich leicht transportieren
12. Nein, sie lassen sich nicht vermeiden

Kannst jemand meine Antworten überprüfen? Vielen Dank im Voraus

also why do we say "Er lässt sich" instead of "Er lässt ihn"

[acoustic breach]

The reflexive pronouns of "er" is "sich"

The ones in "er lässt ihn" are not reflexive

[copper orchid]

oh yea my bad

[acoustic breach]

(reflexive: something like "myself", "himself" etc. when translated into English)

Oh you already knew that 😂

[copper orchid]

Yea i'm just stupid lmao

[copper orchid]

do you mind checking this too?

[acoustic breach]

I think your numbering here isnt correct since 9 is skipped

[copper orchid]

discord took the liberty of "fixing" my numbering

[acoustic breach]

7 isnt correct

[copper orchid]

is it because of the n? it could cropped out when I took a screenshot

[acoustic breach]

I think the others are correct

[acoustic breach]

No

[acoustic breach]

Conjugation, "zu", pronouns

[copper orchid]

(Ja, er lässt sie ein Wörterbuch benutzen)?

[acoustic breach]

Ja

[copper orchid]

Why did we removed the zu?

[acoustic breach]

No need for "zu" with lassen

Like modalverbs

[rain talon]

Vocabulary question
I don't know when to use denn or dann to translate "then" .... For example

Was machst du denn?

Wenn du fertig bist, dann können wir gehen.

Is their a logic to know which can be used when ?

[long whale]

"dann" = temporal. "Was machst du denn?" = So, what do you do? What do you do, then? So, what is it you do? What the heck are you doing there?? (depends on context) vs. "Was machst du dann?" = What will you do then/afterwards/after this [thing we talked about]?

[signal cipher]

Denn - because
Denn - Modal particle which makes questions softer, less serious, less technical
Dann - Then, later
@rain talon

[rain talon]

In my exercise book « I don't know anything more delicious » is translated to Ich kenne nichts Leckeres : why isn't the comparative used ?

[long whale]

It ought to be used, yes. Also: nichts

[rain talon]

Corrected, ty

So the correct sentence is actually Ich kenne nichts Leckereres ?

[long whale]

Yup. 🌻

[rain talon]

Okay! Well at least it's logic lol

But is Leckeres a mistake? Or also an acceptable way of phrasing it?

Bcuz to me it means "I don't know anything delicious"

[long whale]

That's correct.

[rain talon]

Okay so the sentence in my book is false?

[vital raven]

@plush pelican hey sorry for the tag I just read 5 time what you talked about dative and akkusative and it really was good explaining thank you so much, i have a qustion please what if I run to the house but when I enter I continue to run that be dative or ask

as i understand from you explaining it be dative right ?

becouse im not like going out or change my place im still at home

[plush pelican]

I run into the house.
Ich renne in das Haus.

I run around inside the house.
I renne im Haus.

(im = in + dem)

[vital raven]

so yeah if im in home after i enter and i run it be dative till i out ?

[plush pelican]

If you're just describing the bit where you're running around inside the house, it will be dative

If you cross a boundary relative to the house, then it switches to accusative, so like if you enter or exit

[vital raven]

like kitchen i enter the home to the kitchen and i start to run in it is dative as you said

[plush pelican]

It also depends on your frame of reference

[vital raven]

hahahahaha whatttt

[plush pelican]

the noun

let's give an example

You are running inside your house

[vital raven]

yeah please

[plush pelican]

you run from the living room into the kitchen

If you are thinking about the house as a whole, you are staying inside it the whole time. No boundary change, so dative.

Ich renne im Haus

If you are thinking about the kitchen as the frame of reference, you are running into the kitchen. Boundary change, so accusative.

Ich renne in die Küche

get it?

[vital raven]

what if nothing in house i just run it like nothing that be dativ even im runing , im soos sorry for lots of questin !

[plush pelican]

I don't understand the question, can you say it more clearly?

[vital raven]

they no rooms or like nothing and i start runing in it that be dative as you said , i mean as i did understand from what you said

hope i make it clearly !

[plush pelican]

yeah, I mean it all depends on what you choose as the noun, the object of the preposition

You could say, "the left side of the house"

Ich renne in den linken Teil des Hauses.

Or you could choose "the house" as the noun

in which case, you're inside it the whole time, you aren't changing where you are in comparison to the house, so just "Ich renne im Haus"

[vital raven]

omg you the best hahahahahah

thank you so muchhhhh

[plush pelican]

It all depends on what the noun is, and if you are moving in comparison to it

For example

[vital raven]

yeah yeah i understand thank you so muchhhhhh

[plush pelican]

"hinter" = behind

Ich renne hinter dem Haus = I am running around behind the house

Ich renne hinter das Haus = I run from somewhere else to get myself behind the house.

[vital raven]

yep i understand more than my teacher did as you said they just explain if the movement = akk

thank you so much againnn reallyyyyyyy

and sorry for the tag and the lots of questions !

[plush pelican]

I'm drawing a pic

"behind the house" is a place

In the first sentence, "Ich renne hinter dem Haus", I am not moving in comparison to "behind the house", because I am always behind the house, just running around

In the second sentence, "Ich renne hinter das Haus", I am moving from not being "behind the house", to then being "behind the house", so I am moving in comparison to "behind the house", I am entering the place known as "behind the house", so there is a boundary change, so accusative

you can imagine an invisible barrier for an area known as "behind the house"

the purple dotted lines are the invisible barrier

I have crossed the barrier in the 2nd sentence

I did not cross the barrier in the first sentence

[vital raven]

im soooo sorry that i make do all that and as always thank you so much for sure i save all that thank you once againnnn i really understand the def and why , really thank you !

[plush pelican]

the difference, dif

[vital raven]

yep !

[ember patio]

This is great, danke schön

[whole portal]

You know it's serious when people start bringing out the paint drawings

[vital raven]

he really did amazing job !

[plush pelican]

I have a Black Belt in MS Paint 🤣

[plush pelican]

Writing a short story. I find it hard to figure out these sorts of half-sentences tacked on to things at the end. For example:

Theobald näherte sich der Fee, die immer noch hypnotisiert war, die entkorkte Flasche in der einen Hand, seinen Stab in der anderen.

I would've said "sein Stab", not "seinen". Is there an omitted verb being assumed here?

Something like: [Er hielt] die entkorkte Flasche in der einen Hand, seinen Stab in der anderen.

?

[signal cipher]

…,als er gerannt kam.
Do we use Partizip 2 like that? Like Partizip 1 in present tense

Like rennend

[long whale]

Yup, or a Partizip I (die... in der einen Hand, seinen... in der anderen [haltend]). "sein Stab" would definitely not work.

[long whale]

Not sure what it's got to do with Partizip i, but yes, we do use this. (Gotta go, but I'll try to find the relevant grammar info - I think it's got sth to do with "kommen" - later. If not, remind me, please.)

[signal cipher]

He is coming “running”

Partizip 1 as predicative appositive

I knew we can use Partizip 2 as adjective but never saw it is used as predicative appositive

[plush pelican]

I still don't understand what "predicative appositive" means

[clever creek]

What is the difference between questions-1 and 2

Can I ask any questions in both?

[plush pelican]

it's just 2 channels in case one is in use

Don't ask the same question in multiple channels, though

It leads to multiple people wasting effort giving the same answer multiple times

[signal cipher]

ein Glas Wasser. This is appositive. There is no verb written or not written.
Er rennt singend. This is predicative appositive. There is verb in appositive “singend”
He came drunk. This is also predicative appositive. It is omitted but there is verb in that phrase “was”. He came. He was drunk.

[plush pelican]

@autumn marsh Would you be so kind as to talk about the predicative appositive stuff that (Bulgarian name guy) is talking about?

I don't really understand the term and how that all groups together and works

[autumn marsh]

if you Google it you'll know as much as I do

[plush pelican]

I thought you studied Linguistics or something?

[autumn marsh]

I had a little bit of linguistics on the side

Computer linguistics, that is

natural language processing

[plush pelican]

I see

[plain umbra]

This isn't (as far as I can tell) a term that people use widely in linguistics. That's the main issue.

Appositive is used for nouns. The thing being described above regarding verbs is called a secondary predicate.

It's just that since it's similar to an apposition, I guess some people choose to refer to it as predicate appositive.

The only sources I could find about it were linguistics papers in which people were making proposals about new/alternative grammar concepts, so I don't think it's an established concept.

Here's the wikipedia about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_predicate

The link also states: Optional depictive secondary predicates are viewed as "predicative adjuncts" by some linguists. (Huddleston & Pullum 2002)

Here's the link for apposition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apposition

Personally I don't see how it differs from a Modal adverb though.

[copper orchid]

ist "seit" das gleiche wie "seitdem"?

[plain umbra]

Same kinda meaning but "seit" is used as a preposition and "seitdem" is used as a conjunction. Sometimes people also shorten "seitdem" to "seit" but I don't know how formally correct that is.

[rain talon]

When he says

Ein Learning, dass ich mitnehme aus der Folge

Isn't the word order wrong?

[ashen heart]

It's colloquial, common but you wouldn't write like that. (also *das) I'm more confused about the word Learning

[rain talon]

Ugh I always confuse dass and das when writing. I know when to use which but when writing I forget to check.
Thanks for your answers though 👍

[signal cipher]

Dass is conjunction

It crates subordinate clause

You use subordinate clause in main clause

[rain talon]

Yeah ik when to use it it's cool

[signal cipher]

I know “that she loves me.”
I used that phrase like an object

And yes word order is wrong. Mitnehmen should be at the end of the clause.

[acoustic tendon]

"Ein Learning" lol

do people say that or is it just that guy

[plain umbra]

Isn't it just a borrowing of the English term?

[acoustic tendon]

i don't think I've heard "a learning" before in English

a lesson, yeah

[rich prism]

This is a learning experience

[acoustic tendon]

learning is an adjective there

not a noun

"ein Learning" treats it as a noun

[rich prism]

No, it doesn't exist in english

[plain umbra]

It does exist in English.

[rich prism]

'A learning'?

[plain umbra]

Ja.

[rich prism]

Example

[rich prism]

Ohhhhh

Yeahhhh

Completely forgot

[acoustic tendon]

in the plural it sounds fine to me

[plain umbra]

Plural is more common but it is used in singular and I assume it's the definition the quoted person was using.

[rich prism]

It also exists in singular

[plain umbra]

I mean, it makes sense in the context, after all.

He's sharing a learning he got from the episode.

[long whale]

You can always use "seit", except when it's "since [this time mentioned before]", e.g. "Ich habe am Donnerstag mit Anna gesprochen. Seitdem habe ich nichts mehr von ihr gehört." @plain umbra (pinging you assuming you're interested)

[plain umbra]

Thanks!

[charred harbor]

For what it’s worth I’ve honestly never heard “a learning” in my life lol

I’ve heard “a learning experience” but obviously that’s completely different and unrelated

[acoustic tendon]

thank god

i thought i was crazy for a moment there

[charred harbor]

Mm, even “the learnings” is kind of rare imo, it took me a second to even register it as correct
“A learning” just does not sound idiomatic to me at all

Lmao
“…is kind of rare imo”
imo is typing….

[acoustic tendon]

lmao

[rich prism]

Ohh I get it, lol

[hollow hornet]

"A lifelong learning"

[charred harbor]

Hab ich noch nie gehört xD

[hushed dawn]

Thanks a lot

[hushed dawn]

I think it has to do with Verbalisierung and Nominalisierung

Seit zwei Jahren lerne ich Deutsch.
Seitdem ich hier angekommen bin, lerne ich Deutsch

mit Seit --> you use a name after
Seitdem u need a Nebensatz

thats what i know

[long whale]

#questions-2 message

[plush pelican]

Here, "aus der Folge" is in the Nachfeld, the "after field" that comes after the second spot for verbs. In Standard German, you only really use the Nachfeld for comparisons:

Er hat mir mehr geholfen als du.

But colloquially, it's used a lot more often, either because you forgot something and want to tack it on to the end of the sentence, or just to put extra emphasis on something.

[plush pelican]

The word order isn't wrong per se, just colloquial.

You wouldn't want to write like that on a test, but in real life, you'll hear that kind of thing pretty often when people are speaking casually.

Even like Cari and Manuel from Easy German Podcast will speak like that from time to time.

[signal cipher]

By saying wrong I mean not official. First I am focusing on official stuff. It’s hard for me to learn colloquial stuff because of lack of sources.

[rain talon]

@signal cipher If you're not certain of your answer please say so, it's confusing for the person asking otherwise... 🙏

[signal cipher]

What do you mean

[long whale]

Well, what they said was correct, so... 🤷

[signal cipher]

In colloquial perspective a thing about grammar, vocabulary etc. is correct even if just one old man in a small village use it. Even natives can’t know that much. When I talk about correct, wrong etc. it’s obvious that I talk about standard, official language. If even this is confusing, I won’t try to help you anymore. I even may make mistake about standard language. And that’s so normal. Beside natives amateurs try to help each other here. It’s clear that we are not teacher of an official course.

[rain talon]

They said it's wrong meaning the speaker made a mistake, but instead it's just a colloquial syntax

[long whale]

Mm... then we need a discussion about the meaning of "correct" and "wrong". 😹

[rain talon]

So to me that's incorrect information because I will remember that the speaker doesn't speak German well

[rain talon]

Incomplete if you will, the explanation that @plush pelican added is the appropriate answer to me

Plus my ask is not unreasonable, I also say I'm unsure or when I only can help for a part or the answer, I believe that's what everyone does IRL when helping someone too

Not to discourage your from helping, just saying what would have helped better

[copper orchid]

Die grüne Riyadh Projekt ist eines ehrenamtliches Projekt in Riyadh. Das Ziel ist, dass wir mehr Pflanzen und Bäumen an den Straßen pflanzen. Es wird die Umwelt und der Luft viel verbessern. Es ist auch gut für die Junge, weil es über der Umwelt informiert. Es ist eines 4 monatliches Projekt. Die Pflanze Ausrüstungen, Die Erfrischungen usw. alle kostet 8000 riyal (also circa 2000 euro). Ich finde, dass es sich lohnt. Ich würde bei diesem Projekt teilnehmen, aber gerade habe ich leider keinen Zeit.

Kannst jemand diesen Text überprüfen? Und kannst du ihn bewerten von 1-100% (60% bedeutet, dass ich eine A2 prüfung bestanden habe). Vielen Dank im Voraus.

[acoustic tendon]

woher sollen wir wissen, ob das eime A2 Prüfung bestehen würde

[copper orchid]

just guess to your best ability and if you see any mistakes (or anything that sounds weird) lmk

[plush pelican]

Projekt is neuter

with a neuter noun, "ein" is just "ein", not "eines"

"an den Straßen" not sure about that

Luft is feminine

"gut für die Junge" Do you mean "youths", die Jugend? "der Junge" = the boy, "die Jungen" = the boys

"4-monatiges Projekt"

"Pflanze Ausrüstungen" I think you need to either change "Pflanze" to an adjective, or add a hyphen (-) there.

"Erfrischungen" not sure that word fits there; I think it mostly refers to drinks? but not 100% on this

"Die Pflanze Ausrüstungen, Die Erfrischungen usw. alle kostet 8000 riyal" you've listed multiple things as the subject, you need to conjugate the verb to match plural, also "Riyal" and "Euro" should be capitalized

"an etwas teilnehmen", not "bei"

Zeit is feminine

It's definitely an ambitious attempt for A2, that's for sure

These are just the things that occur to me immediately; there could probably be more done to make it sound more natural

but you know, at A2 if you can just get your point across, that's pretty good

[copper orchid]

so it might pass, but not with a score like 80%+

[plush pelican]

I don't know how your teacher grades things

[copper orchid]

Das grünes Riyadh Projekt ist ein ehrenamtliches Projekt in Riyadh. Das Ziel ist, dass wir mehr Pflanzen und Bäumen an den Straßen pflanzen. Es wird die Umwelt und die Luft viel verbessern. Es ist auch gut für die Jugend, weil es über der Umwelt informiert. Es ist ein 4 monatiges Projekt. Die Pflanze-Ausrüstungen, Die Erfrischungen usw. alle kosten 8000 Riyal (also circa 2000 Euro). Ich finde, dass es sich lohnt. Ich würde an diesem Projekt teilnehmen, aber gerade habe ich leider keine Zeit.

I don't really know what I can replace an den Straßen with so I just kept it and with Erfrischungen i'm referring to refreshments since it's an outdoor project

[plush pelican]

Projekt is neuter

[copper orchid]

ah my bad again