questions-2

[long whale]

@delicate sapphire

[plush pelican]

sich etwas ausdenken = to make something up

"kannste dir nicht ausdenken" = you can't make something like that up (it's so unbelievable, it must be true)

[harsh terrace]

"kannste" ist eine umgangssprachliche Abkürzung für "kannst du". Voll ausgesprochen wäre der Satz "Das kannst du dir nicht ausdenken."

• das was Argus sagt

[jade hawk]

Am I understanding this correct? I can use "Dings/Dingsbums" as "thingy", to point to an object which I can't quite describe, and "Pipapo" as "all the other stuff [associated with it]", yeah?

[lilac sapphire]

Hello, is this correct to say "Er rennt, sobald er dich sieht" or "Er rennt sobald er sieht dich" ? And why ?

But whyyyyy 😭 because depending on the adverb I put in the second part of the sentence, sometimes one order is right and sometimes it's wrong 😭

Or is it just duolingo tricking me 🥲

[steel patrol]

The verb has to be at the end

[lilac sapphire]

For example, why is "ich sage dass ist reicht" correct and not "ich sage dass reicht ist" ?

[steel patrol]

What are you trying to say?

[delicate tiger]

neither is correct

[lilac sapphire]

I was on duolingo and I came across the sentence "er rennt sobald er dich sieht" which turned out to be correct. Then the next exercice was about this other sentence "ich sehe dass ist reicht" (sorry I didn't use the right word)

I just don't understand why the verb needs to be at the end for the first case and not the second

Both sentences have adverbs (sobald, dass) so I have trouble getting why the rule should be different

[steel patrol]

Do you have a translation for the second sentence? As for the first, the verb is at the end.

[lilac sapphire]

The translation is "I see it's enough"

Or I see that is enough

[steel patrol]

Uhhh, “ich sehe, dass es reicht”? Maybe?

I see that that’s enough

Still kind of an odd sentence

[lilac sapphire]

Duolingo has a lot of weird sentences like that 🥲

[steel patrol]

Yeah, well, Duolingo is… interesting.

[lilac sapphire]

Okay I'll just keep in mind that the verbs needs to be at the end in those cases

[lilac sapphire]

😂😂😂

It is indeed

[long whale]

@lilac sapphire Have you considered switching to a more efficient way of learning? One which does explain these things? Like one of the courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528 - ?

(Yes, they're free, in case you're wondering.)

[weary garden]

Hallo

[fervent kernel]

شما حالت خوبە

[midnight mica]

Only German or English, please

[acoustic breach]

Hallo
Ich möchte fragen, ob dieser Satz geht.

Ich habe eine Liste von Kanälen, Webseite usw. zum Deutschlernen und möchte sagen, dass diese Liste beim Hören hilft. Kann ich so sagen:

Es (die Liste) ist gut, um mein Hören zu verbessern<

Danke im Voraus!

[latent wadi]

Anstelle von "sie" ?

[acoustic breach]

Im Kontext (#beginner german) war es eigentlich auch nicht ganz klar. Jemand hat eine Nachricht geschickt, die einen Link zu einer anderen Nachricht hat, die so eine Liste hat

Aber abgesehen davon, passt die Struktur "um + zu infinitiv" hier?

[long whale]

How can you even type sth like Es (die Liste) ist gut? - Apart from that, it feels awkward to me, since it's not the list which improves your German, is it? 🤔

[lyric shore]

What does "Bubatz" mean?

[acoustic breach]

Sorry 😅 "es" was in the original sentence but I added "die Liste" here for clarity. Basically someone sent a something, another person said "oh that thing is good" -> "es ist gut"

Is it non-optional that the pronouns of the item has to correspond to the gender of the item?

I saw someone discussed about a Waschmaschine. Someone (Native) in one of the question Channel said something like you can use "es" (das Gerät) or "sie" (die Maschine), like "ich habe eine Waschmaschine. Sie/es ist gut"

[acoustic breach]

@abstract flame

[long whale]

It is 100% non-optional in writing - that is why in writing, at least the relative pronoun for "das Mädchen" must be neuter. In speaking... hey... while your mouth is still saying "die Waschmaschine", perhaps your brain has already switched to thinking about this brilliant programme (das Programm) it has, or you think you said "das Gerät", so, well - things happen. But native or not, even in speaking, referring back to a specific noun by anything than its gender-appropriate pronoun isn't normal. 🌻

[acoustic breach]

I see… I shall then strictly adhere to this. Thank you!

[abstract flame]

I don‘t actually get it

[long whale]

"Es ist sehr gut**,** um das Hören zu verbessern" works fine, grammar-wise (provided you use the comma and capitalize the noun). It's just that a list (which you'd have to refer as "sie": Sie ist sehr gut) wouldn't improve your listening, would it? 🍪

[acoustic breach]

I read back our conversation, and I just saw the sentence was referring to the Easy German channel, so:

Er (der Kanal) ist gut, um das Hören zu verbessern?

[long whale]

Yes, that would be fine.

[abstract flame]

Danke für deine Hilfe!!!!

@acoustic breach auch

[plush pelican]

marijuana

Germany finalized a law just today that partially legalizes it

[whole portal]

Ein Bubatz can also mean a Joint

[lyric shore]

i see lmao

have been seeing all over r/ich_iel lately, i guess thats why lol

[lyric shore]

mhh alright

[lucid fable]

WEED

[delicate sapphire]

april 1st soon approaches

[long whale]

Is this a question? Or just the wrong channel? 😄

[delicate sapphire]

a joke about weed since its legal on the first so just furthing the conversation a day late

[long whale]

People saying "it's legal" as an April Fool's day thing?

[warped raptor]

are unterschiedlich and anders synonyms?

[gusty silo]

hmmm, well for one they are used in different places in a sentence. unterschiedlich is what two things are with respect to each other, anders is what one thing is compared to something else

you can't say a singular thing is unterschiedlich

[warped raptor]

is it okay if u can give me an example?

[gusty silo]

✅ Diese zwei Häuser sind unterschiedlich (they differ from each other)
✅ Diese zwei Häuser sind anders (they differ from some third thing)
❌ DIeses Haus ist unterschiedlich (does not work)
✅ Dieses Haus ist anders (it differs from some other mentioned or implied thing)

[warped raptor]

thank you!

[brittle jacinth]

Hey
Does the order of the adjectives follow a specific rule here or i can put weibliche at the beginning of the sentence?
aus Schweden importierte weibliche Humboldt-Pinguin

[gusty silo]

sounds perfectly fine to me

less usual than the order with weibliche at the end of the adjective chain, but still

[brittle jacinth]

so the usual form is to place such long adjectives at the beginning?

[gusty silo]

no idea if it has something to do with adjective length or type to be honest

[thorny owl]

what are the most common uses of the word "wohl"?

[long whale]

I'd say 3. 6. 7. 8. 9. and 11. aren't really common: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/wohl

[warped raptor]

how do u know in a sentence if zu is used as "too" or "closed"?

[long whale]

zu + adverbially used adjective: Der Karton ist zu klein = The cardboard box is too small.

vs.

Der Karton ist zu (OR geschlossen) = The cardboard box is closed.

Das ist auch ein Karton = This is a cardboard box, too.

[delicate tiger]

Der Karton ist zu verkaufen = ...is for sale

[viscid fern]

onggg anyone can helppp me with my german workkk😭

[final marlin]

faq homework

[stoic mauve]

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[viscid fern]

This is the exercise that school given to us and idk if this is correct or not😭

Can someone help me 😭

[barren quiver]

2: Lena baut ihr Zelt auf.
You wrote "Bauet"

6. Misspelled "erklärt"

[delicate tiger]

typo in 2

[viscid fern]

can anyone check it for me 😭

[long whale]

3. spelling error 5. wrong form - In addition to this, you used the wrong modal in 1. Perhaps try to translate the sentence?

[viscid fern]

Oh so 3 is wollt

And 5 is kannst

Hmm 1 is wollt

[delicate tiger]

count how often you have to use each word, it doesn't add up

[long whale]

Did you try to translate the sentences in 1? What do they say?

[viscid fern]

its says that

Like on the program of the day, the campfire is at 19'clock.

[plush pelican]

What's the first sentence, though?

[viscid fern]

Not to read ?

[plush pelican]

what?

Translate the sentence you wrote, along with the other sentences, into English. They do not fit together. You need to choose a different verb that does fit there.

To be clear: I'm not saying here you need to conjugate the verb differently, I'm saying the verb itself is wrong.

[viscid fern]

Oh

[viscid fern]

Don’t you want to read? On the program of the day, the campfire is at 19'clock.

Ok I see

Soo I have to change wollt to könnt?

[plush pelican]

yes

[sudden burrow]

Contextually speaking, what's the difference between these two sentences: Was würden sie sagen, wenn wir nach Frankreich fliegen würden?
Was würden sie sagen, wenn wir nach Frankreich flögen?
Don't they both mean " What would they say if we would fly to France"?

[long whale]

Zero difference in meaning. The thing is, only the most common verbs are used in their "strong" K2 form these days, whether in speaking or in writing. As to which ones are considered "most common verbs", I'd say it's basically those we tend to use in Präteritum even in speaking (e.g. kommen, gehen, finden)

(Apart from sein, haben and modal verbs, obviously.)

[sudden burrow]

So the most common way to say it would be "Was würden sie sagen, wenn wir nach Frankreich flögen"?

[long whale]

No! What did I say to make you arrive at this conclusion?

[sudden burrow]

Because you said apart from modal verbs and werden is a modal verb

[long whale]

Ehh - but "flögen"?

For a number of irregular verbs, even I would have to look up K2 to make sure I get it right - and I consider myself to be relatively well-read.

[sudden burrow]

Yeah, I completely forgot fligen is an irregular verb. Würden fligen would make more sense

[long whale]

Don't get me wrong - when you look up K2 in grammar books, they'll tell you the "flögen"-version is the Standard/correct version. Still, I'd be really surprised to see something like your "flögen" sentence appear in an official language exam. Those forms have simply become too rare in actual usage, I think.

[vernal ermine]

Good morning friends!

I would like to know about the difference between kennen and wissen or Do both are same?

[night dagger]

As a rule of thumb you use kennen with nouns and wissen for everything else, like subordinate clauses.

[signal cipher]

Kennen is like to be familiar kind of know

[night dagger]

Ich kenne den Mann.

• Ja, das weiß ich schon.

There were referring to additional info.

[vernal ermine]

But here das is also refers to a noun, then how weiß will come?

[night dagger]

das is actually referring to the entire sentence

[night dagger]

think about it. If I say: das weiß ich schon, and I’m referring to the Mann, I would have to be inferring that I know the man too.

Instead, we’re saying, yeah, you know the man; I know that already.

Try it out with other sentences

Ich komme aus der Schweiz.

• das _____ ich schon.

[vernal ermine]

weiß

[night dagger]

Right and:
Ich kenne die Frau.

• write a sentence where you confirm that you know that the person knows the woman.
• write a second sentence where you mention that you know the woman too.

[vernal ermine]

1.Tom kennt Frau Jasmine. Ja, das weiß ich.
2. Ja, ich kenne auch die Frau.

[night dagger]

See, ya already know how to do it.

[vernal ermine]

Am I right?

[night dagger]

Yes

[vernal ermine]

Now only I know it. Because of you 😊

Vielen Dank❤ @night dagger

[signal cipher]

What is the difference between
Haben
And
Besitzen

[steel patrol]

Haben - to have

Besitzen - to own

[vernal ermine]

Do fürchten and befürchten are same?

[mint sedge]

why is the word for tradition/custom the same as "need" (brauch)

is there an explanation for thids

[gusty silo]

yes, give me a minute and i can tell you

[mint sedge]

thanks g

[gusty silo]

so, originally brauchen meant 'use'. this is still around in derived verbs like verbrauchen 'use up', gebrauchen 'use, make use of' and nouns like Missbrauch 'misuse, abuse'
the noun for tradition/custom is from this meaning, it's what you're used to doing if you will.
the change from use to need came, according to the Kluge dictionary, in the 17th century, first in negated sentences. so Ich habe das nicht gebraucht, at first 'I didn't use this' acquired the interpretation 'I didn't need this'. It also makes sense in past tense statements in general: Ich brauchte einen Schlüssel, um die Tür zu öffnen => I needed/used a key to open the door

brauchen in the sense of 'use' is still around in german to an extent

[mint sedge]

ohhhhh ok

thanks

thats interesting

[gusty silo]

one example i just picked from DWDS (a good online dictionary) is

Könntest du diese Jacke brauchen?
Could you make use of/need this jacket?

and a comparatively well known poetic line is "Und bist du nicht willig, so brauch ich Gewalt" from Goethe's Erlkönig ('and if you aren't willing, then i will use violence')

[warped raptor]

hii uhm why does:
"Er war während des Meetings sehr selbstsicher." make sense? I thought that german sentences were set as time manner place? so it'd be Er war sehr selbstsicher während des Meetings

[warped raptor]

verbs in german have genders.
e.g the car = das auto

der = male
die = female
das = neutral

same w/ "a"

[hollow inlet]

Guyzz can anyone just write me a zimmerbeschreibung with best good sentences in it

[gusty silo]

both work, i'd say the first version you have there is more normal, the latter i'd expect to be followed up by some further complementing or contrasting information (alternatively i'd say it can be the additional information to a question for example)

[gusty silo]

nouns not verbs 😄

you mean »nouns in german have genders«

[white oracle]

Hallo, what does the "nach" mean in the letter l

is it like

nach Konigsstraße // to konnigs street

2nd nach

[gusty silo]

nach links/nach rechts/nach vorne/nach hinten are just common phrasings when giving a direction to move in

[white oracle]

hmmm

[gusty silo]

it's just "she turns to the left in die Königsstraße"

[white oracle]

das hilft viel

danke schön

[gusty silo]

kein Problem!

[white oracle]

do we add "gerne" when we wanna say that we would like to do an action

while using würden

[gusty silo]

yep

gerne is basically the all-purpose "i like something" adverb

(but it's strictly an adverb, it does not play the role of the verb like 'like' does in english)

[white oracle]

thank you

what would be the difference between "möchten" and "würden"

[jade hawk]

würden is the verb used to create conditional sentences. möchten is the conditional version of mögen. It's basically würden mögen combined into one word

[plush pelican]

möchten = would like
würden = would

[white oracle]

thankss

i'll look into this

[outer edge]

ist "flirten" altmodisch?
soll ich "anmachen" nutzen?

[night dagger]

flirten ist nicht altmodisch

[gusty silo]

ich würde sogar im Gegenteil zu flirten raten, da anmachen negativ klingen kann

[plush pelican]

inwiefern klingt "anmachen" negativ? Ist es mit alten Genderrollen assoziert?

[gusty silo]

für mich persönlich klingt ›anmachen‹ mehr nach »Ey Schnecke« und so Machogehabe, oder einfach nur nach 'ner unangenehmen Situation, als ›flirten‹ das tut. aber das muss vielleicht nicht immer sein und ist eher relativ zueinander gemeint, als absolut

[stray frigate]

Hello! I'm having trouble understanding this sentence:

"Ich wollte auch gerade los."

I know it the literal translation, " I wanted also just loose", but I cannot for the life of me understand the meaning of the sentence itself. Can anyone help me understand the sentence, thanks!

For context, the whole paragaph I took the sentence from is:
Im Treppenhaus trifft sie ihren neuen Nachbarn Ben. "Hallo, ich bin Ben. Bist du neu hier?", fragt Ben. "Ja, ich wohne erst seit gestern hier. Ich heiße Tina. Kannst du mir sagen, wo der nächste Supermarkt ist?", möchte Tina wissen. "Lass uns zusammen gehen, ich wollte auch gerade los und ein paar Kleinigkeiten besorgen. Dann kann ich dir den Weg zeigen." "Das klingt gut, danke."

[gusty silo]

los can mean loose as an adjective, but much more commonly it's an adverb meaning onwards, used unbelievably much more often in german whenever the start of some action is talked about

basically "I also wanted to get going right now"

additionally you can drop a verb in german if you already have a (modal) auxiliary and it's about movement

[night dagger]

losgehen

[gusty silo]

so where we should get Ich wollte auch gerade losgehen we can drop the gehen

[stray frigate]

Ohhh, thanks you so much!

[gusty silo]

warten

[night dagger]

faq vc

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[gusty silo]

This will be removed after 60 minutes (longer for young accounts).

60 sind noch nicht umme :p

[willow epoch]

I wonder if deswegen and indem and nachdem come from des Wegen in dem and nach dem

Or are these coincidences

[plush pelican]

it is

währenddessen

trotzdem

These are frozen like that

But then you get the word "derselbe" and it's like half-way

[willow epoch]

So the space was removed for simplicity

Rather than two words

[plush pelican]

you still decline it like it's a definite article and an adjective separate from each other, and yet it's stuck together as if it were one of these fossilized words

[willow epoch]

Cuz I thought that and tried inder and nachder

But iono if they made sense

But I figured it was using dem because Satz is masculine

And was referring to some earlier statement

Therefore in dem Satz and nach dem Satz

I wonder if my hypothesis is right

[opal narwhal]

@Sniper: I'm not sure what you want to know exactly...

[willow epoch]

Well cuz I interpret these conjunctions with a better sense

If I knew what they sensed than dictionary meaning

So I wanted to know if my thinking was correct for indem and nachdem meant

Compared a dictionary saying afterwards

Which would make guessng easier

[opal narwhal]

I'm not a native speaker, but I interpret "indem" as in + das (Dativ: dem) and "nachdem" as nach + das (Dativ: dem), so literally "in that" / "after that" (if that's what you wanted to know)

[willow epoch]

That’s wat i guessed

[silent elk]

Hello

Could anyone explain to me the difference between "bieten" and "anbieten", please ?

"Eine Alternative, die die Gelegenheit anbietet"
vs

"Eine Alternative, die die Gelegenheit bietet"

[vernal ermine]

Any idea?

[mild plinth]

Yes and no.
Both mean „fear“, though only „fürchten“ is used when you say „I am afraid of something.“
Ich fürchte mich vor Spinnen.

Befürchten and fürchten are both used in a foreboding sense like:
Ich (be)fürchte, es wird heute regnen.
I fear, it will rain today

[pure crescent]

bieten = to offer in general, can be done by anything and anyone
anbieten = to offer but only between people

[mild plinth]

I would add to that, that anbieten is also when someone actively does that. But it’s more of a gut feeling 🤔
Bieten also means to bid on sth during an auction.
Karl bietet eine Vase an.
Karl offers a vase.

Ella bietet 10€ auf diese Vase
Ella bids 10€ on this vase.

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[urban granite]

Hallo!
Why is it "Ich habe keine sechzig Cent" and not "Ich habe sechzig Cent nicht"
Aka, when do i use nicht vs keine?

Also, "Mein Baby kann nicht Fahrrad fahren" vs "Mein Baby kann kein Fahrrad fahren" as another example. Vielen dank!

[whole portal]

Countable vs uncountable

Ich kann kein Fahrrad fahren works too sorta

I can ride no bike vs I can't ride a bike

[warped oriole]

In general, "kein" negates nouns and "nicht" negates verbs. Kein is like the negation of ein. For plural you don't use an indefinite article but you still use "keine" if you negate it.

If you use a definite article you negate the verb.
Ich habe die 60 Cent nicht.

[urban granite]

Das hilft mir. Danke!

[worldly epoch]

I'm trying to find more ways to learn German, does anyone have any good book recommendations or song recommendations that are easy for beginners in German to learn and understand?

[long whale]

lyricstraining.com is a pretty good/fun way of learning (as a beginner, I'd choose children's songs/Kinderlieder or soft pop/rock instead of sth like rap or heavy metal). The book series "Dino lernt Deutsch" (don't know the author, but it's on amazon) and also "German Short Stories for Beginners" by Olly Richards are good. There's also a lot of material on https://deutschlernerblog.de/deutsch-a1-deutsch-lernen-a1-deutsch-fuer-anfaenger/ (click on Sprachniveau for level, I've already opened the A1 page for you), scroll down to the links (Hörverstehen = listening tasks; Leseverstehen = reading tasks), click on the one you want, then click on the individual tasks to open them. There are also youtube playlists for "Deutsch lernen durch Hören" and "Deutsch lernen mit Geschichten".

[plain umbra]

One option is the magazine called Deutsch Perfekt. It's a magazine with articles written for German learners about many topics.

There's a website where you can get free access to an online library here: https://www.goethe.de/ins/fi/en/kul/bib/onl.html

And it has a lot of magazines and books in German.

[worldly epoch]

Thank you!!

[frank trellis]

Does anyone know a similiar Thing for french? :)

[delicate tiger]

https://www.ecoute.de/ for German-French

[thorn zodiac]

Hallo! I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of resources regarding or could explain this type of "3 verbs in a subordinating clause"?
Example I found in my book a little while ago, dont see it often so would like to know more

Danke im Voraus

Diego war sich leider absolut nicht sicher, ob er dieses Versprechen wirklich würde halten können

[long whale]

It's called "double infinitive with modal verb", resp. doppelter Infinitiv mit Modalverb. Let me see...

[thorn zodiac]

Brilliant as always Susanna, Ive managed to find resources on it now. 👍

[plush pelican]

https://www.colanguage.com/double-infinitive-german

near the bottom of the page, they talk about the weird order

The basic idea is: if you imagine a main clause, it would be:

Er würde1 dieses Versprechen [halten3 können2].

In English: He would1 be able to2 keep3 this promise.

In the subordinate clause, the conjugated verb, instead of joining with the group of verbs on the right, instead just moves to be just to the left of them:

Diego war sich leider absolut nicht sicher, ob er dieses Versprechen wirklich würde1 [halten3 können2].

the two verbs on the right that are grouped together are the "double infinitive", two verbs both in infinitive form

[thorn zodiac]

Ah that makes it a lot simpler to understand actually, since I already got the gyst of the regular main clause looking stuff

Thank you for your response

[fathom raft]

Konjunktiv 2 existiert in ein paar Zeitformen, wird im Gegenwart aber am häufigsten verwendet
Wird für Wünsche, Bitten, Träume, Bestellungen usw. verwendet
Kann auch als Höflichkeitsform verwendet werden (Bsp.: Ich hätte gerne.... Wäre das möglich? Könnte ich...)

Für mehr Infos frag Dr. Google

[long whale]

It serves similar purposes as English could/should/would, etc., including hypothetical situations in the past (I could have done this; you should have done that, etc.) Perhaps check https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Subjunctive/KonjunktivII.html 🌻

[rapid zodiac]

what is the PP for separable verbs in the perfect tense? for example, machen is aufgemacht, but anrufen is angerufen

[plush pelican]

You can look this up on any good verb conjugation website

[rapid zodiac]

if i post a question here that means i already googled it and couldnt find an answer

[plush pelican]

As you've already noted, there's no one single solution for everything, but generally you'll have the -ge- between the separable prefix and the stem

Also, I think generally the PP tends to look like the PP for the base verb

rufen -> hat gerufen
machen -> hat gemacht

Other than that, you just sort of have to look them up for each verb

[rapid zodiac]

ok thanks

[plush pelican]

I forgot: Some verbs are only some of the time separable

That means: For some of their meanings, the prefix is attached to the stem, and for some other meanings, the prefix is separable

For example: umfahren.

When it's separable:
Ich fahre den Mann um.
I run the man over.

Ich habe den Mann umgefahren.
I ran the man over.

When it's non-separable:
Ich umfahre den Mann.
I drive around the man.

Ich habe den Mann umfahren.
I drove around the man.

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/umfahren

As you can see, the PP changes, depending on the meaning and thus whether the verb is being used as a separable verb or a non-separable verb

That happens only with prefixes that can be either separable or non-separable, so the prefixes: durch-, über-, um-, unter-, voll-, wieder-

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Inseparables.html#Either

[prisma hearth]

when do I use weiß vs Kenne when saying “know”

[delicate tiger]

faq wissen

[stoic mauve]

Wissen and kennen

The verbs wissen and kennen both translate to know. However, in most cases they cannot be used interchangeably.

You should use wissen with information or facts, for example:
(1) Ich weiß, dass er Peter heißt. (I know his name is Peter.)
(2) Ich weiß nicht, wie alt er ist. (I don't know how old he is.)
(3) Ich weiß, wo er wohnt. (I know where he lives.)
(4) Ich weiß es. (I know it.)

🌟Note that wissen almost always requires a subordinate clause which starts with either dass, wie, wann, wo, wer, or warum.

The verb kennen is used to express that you are familiar with a person, place or simply a thing, for example:
(5) Ich kenne Maria. (I know Maria.)
(6) Ich kenne diesen Fluss. (I know that river.)
(7) Ich kenne das Buch. (I know the book.)
(8) Ich kenne ihn. (I know him.)

🌟 Note that kennen almost always refers to a noun or pronoun.

‼ As with every rule, there are certain exceptions, in which you can use either, for example:
(9) Ich weiß/kenne den Weg. (I know the way.)
(10) Ich weiß/kenne deinen Namen (I know your name.)

Although they are often used interchangeably in this context, the general rules explained above still apply to them.
The wissen sentence is purely about knowing the way/name, while the kennen sentence also means that you already went that way a few times or have heard that name somewhere before.

[fervent kernel]

is wie and was interchangable?

for some questions?

[frail wraith]

Bereits jeder dritte US-Landwirt lässt Drohnen für sich fliegen, knapp ein Drittel hat die Anschaffung von Drohnen ins Auge gefasst und nur etwa 30 % zeigen sich desinteressiert.

wie viele US-Landwirte interessieren sich für Drohnen?
fast jede zweite

ungefähr ein Drittel

circa 60%

wieso die Antwort ist 60%??ich verstehe nicht!wieso nicht ein Drittel

[daring fern]

1/3 = 66,666...% (Ka wo Periode is)
3/5 = 60%

[long whale]

Do you know what "etwas ins Auge fassen" means? Have you tried looking it up/translating it?

[frail wraith]

nein

[long whale]

Well, it's the key to understanding why the answer is "60%", and not "ein Drittel"...

[manic raft]

What method should I use to learn german

[long whale]

You could try one of the (free and excellent) courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528

[manic raft]

Okay il try it

Thanks

[warped oriole]

⅓ are showing interest and ⅓ already have drones. I guess they see the ⅓ who already have drones as interested in drones too. So it adds up to ⅔ which are 66.66%.

[pure crescent]

1/3 ist nicht 66,67%!!

[copper orchid]

why do we say "gestern habe ich viel gemacht" and not "gestern ich habe viel gemacht"

is the second one wrong?

[charred harbor]

Yes

German is a V2 language, the verb has to stay in the second position

[copper orchid]

Alright thanks

[daring fern]

2/3 🙂

[silk marsh]

Hey Leute „In der Verkehrstechnik kann
der Prozessbegriff dabei sehr
weit gefasst werden“ was bedeutet hier fassen?

[plush pelican]

I assume "weit fassen" then means to be interpreted/defined broadly

[silk marsh]

Super danke dir!

[fervent kernel]

besuchen is Dativ
why sie not ihnen?

[charred harbor]

Besuchen isn’t dative

[fervent kernel]

both dativ and akkusativ?

[charred harbor]

No, it’s not dative

[normal cove]

Hallo quick question if y'all may: does the "ch" have a different pronounciation in the following words "sperche" "sprechen"?

[gusty silo]

did you mean spreche and sprechen, rather than sperche?

[normal cove]

Yes

[gusty silo]

spreche and sprechen have the same ch though, yeah

[normal cove]

Sorry

[gusty silo]

Sprache and spreche have different ch's for most but not all speakers though

[normal cove]

When I heard the words pronounced "spreche" had the same "ch" as "ich" but "sprechen" sounded more like a "k"

Am I tripping? Lol

[gusty silo]

likely, or picking up on a small phonetic detail that natives are used to

sprechen is definitely not sprecken

just say all those three words with the same pronunciation of ch

[normal cove]

Thank you very much

[gusty silo]

what?

spreche, sprechen, ich

ich hab zwar lange keinen Abakus mehr benutzt, aber das müssten drei sein

für eine hinreichende Definition von Wort

:p

[prisma hearth]

When do I use “wenn” for if instead of “wäre“

[long whale]

Never?

[gusty silo]

i'm afraid you'll have to explain to us why you think these two words are both translations of what you're thinking about

because there's some kind of category error here

[long whale]

wenn = when/if; wäre ~ were

[prisma hearth]

I asked ChatGPT for examples and I think it lied to me

As it does

I apologize 🙏

[plain umbra]

Yes, we specifically advise never to use ChatGPT for language learning questions.

[long whale]

💡 Gotcha! You mean "Why can I drop "wenn", right? As in: Wäre ich reich, würde ich die Welt bereisen vs. Wenn ich reich wäre, würde ich die Welt bereisen - ?

[prisma hearth]

Yea

[long whale]

It's basically what you can do in English as well: If you see him, give him a hug vs. Should you see him, give him a hug.

@prisma hearth

[prisma hearth]

ohhhh thank you

[copper orchid]

"Ich möchte nicht gleich studieren" What does gleich mean here? Is it a word like doch where the meaning changes depending on the context?

[plain umbra]

Gleich has multiple meanings/translations, yes.

In this sentence it probably means "right now".

[copper orchid]

Also I don't really understand the meaning of an Ausbildung. Is it a university degree?

[long whale]

No. Almost all jobs in Germany (those not requiring a university degree) require an Ausbildung, which is basically on-the-job-training (which you get paid for by the company who employs you), combined with some theoretical knowledge related to your profession, for which you go to school (not university).

To become a doctor, lawyer, architect, engineer, etc., you need a university degree. To become a nurse, a plumber, carpenter, electrician, etc., you need an Ausbildung.

[tired crescent]

Ohhh, I didn't even ask and I found this really helpful.

[copper orchid]

so an Ausbildung is an alternative to a uni degree?

depending on the profession of course

If your job requires an Ausbildung, then you dont need to have a Uni degree?

[long whale]

Mm... kind of. (An Ausbildung doesn't require the same leaving certificate as university does.) back later, gotta go

[copper orchid]

Alright thank you for the help

which one is better ausreichend or befriedigend?

which one corresponds to which

[whole portal]

ausreichend is 4

befriedigend 3

[long whale]

Yes. Basically, if you don't want to spend your life (in Germany) frying hamburgers, or cleaning other people's houses/offices, you need either an Ausbildung or a university degree. 🌻

[rapid zodiac]

i'm reading something about memorizing genders and it says that animals are in the masculine gender group, but is that really true? i can name some common animals that don't fit in the group, like Kuh, Eule, Pferd, Katze, Schwein, etc

oops nevermind, it's only for the male counterparts, which makes sense

[long whale]

*die Eule 🦉

[long whale]

Might as well use this instead: http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/329/72/72329/1400941587-0.jpg

;)

[rapid zodiac]

i'll make sure to add these to my anki deck

[gaunt heart]

I have some confusion about splitting verbs. Take anrufen as an example. I found an online explanation but im still confused. Why must you split anrufen up into an + rufen? Take for example: “Ich rufe Andrew an”. Why can i not say “Ich anrufe Andrew”?

[long whale]

For pretty much the same reason you can't say "I off called the meeting" if you cancelled it. Pretty good explanation here: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Separables.html

[gaunt heart]

thank you!

[whole portal]

I mean the question about the "why" when it comes to how languages do things is always a bit tricky to answer

I just realized that durchfahren and durchfahren lowkey mean the same but are different words and I think that's even funnier than the umfahren thing

[gaunt heart]

Oh i think i understand. Like how you say “I throw up” and not “I upthrow”. Or something like that?

[whole portal]

funnily enough In German you would say I upthrow myself but in principle, yes

[gaunt heart]

ok thank you both lol

[ripe dust]

daß andererseits die Ausbreitungsgeschwindigkeit des Lichtes im Vakuum gleich einer Konstanten c zu setzen sei
What function does "sei" perform in the sentence?

[pure crescent]

share the whole sentence please, not just the subordinate clause

[ripe dust]

Sorry, I don't have the another part. Only an another example that is a full sentence
[die Rivalität zwischen Österreich und Frankreich] schien eine politische Konstante, mit welcher für alle Ewigkeit zu rechnen sei

[long whale]

Do you know what "sei" is? Which form of which verb it is?

[lethal jetty]

Can anyone explain what people mean by a1 and b1?

[long whale]

Best call up >faq CEFR in #botchannel - you get all the info. 🌻

[lethal jetty]

Vielen Dank

[ripe dust]

I think it's Konjunktiv I

[long whale]

Exactly. Here's a pretty good explanation of what K1 is for: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Subjunctive/KonjunktivI.html Maybe have a look at it, then come back here for further questions?

[rapid zodiac]

is Stock (floor) used only in singular? What are Stöcke then

[long whale]

Yes, if you want to say sth like "on the 3rd floor" (Im dritten Stock), you can only use it in singular. For the plural, there is "das Stockwerk, die Stockwerke", also "die Etage, die Etagen" (Das Haus hat 5 Stockwerke/Etagen). "der Stock, die Stöcke" = sticks (usually wooden sticks, like walking sticks, for example). Does that help? 🌻

[calm kernel]

ty all for the responces

responses

[granite spade]

„Darauf weiß ich nicht (zu?) antworten“ / „dem weiß ich nicht (zu?) antworten“ - are either of these grammatical?

I imagine the standard reply would be „ich weiß nicht, wie man darauf antworten (kann/soll etc)?

[fervent kernel]

What's the most common way to say "You're welcome." in German?

[night dagger]

bitte schön, gerne

those are v common

[fervent kernel]

Thank you.

[fervent kernel]

Is it one or the other, or both?

[night dagger]

both are very common

[fervent kernel]

Like, I could just say "Bitte schön." right?

[night dagger]

yup

[fervent kernel]

Okay, great.

Thank you for your help.

I appreciate it.

[sudden burrow]

At a lesson 3 in Assimil German, there is a sentence that goes "Ich spreche nur ein wenig Deutsch". Shouldn't it have an -e at the end, like for example "Ich kenne nur wenige Menschen"

[night dagger]

ein wenig is like an adverb there

wenige Menschen is an adjective

you'll also see this with countable vs non countable things

ich habe wenig Zeit, ich kenne wenige Menschen

dont need to decline "wenig" if its not countable

[sudden burrow]

so wenige, einige and other indefinite articles are adverb when trying to quantify an uncountable noun?

[long whale]

"Darauf weiß ich nicht zu antworten" is definitely correct, but sounds as if you were born about 200+ years ago. I think you're looking for "Diese Frage/Das kann ich nicht beantworten" - ?

[long whale]

einige = several -> try using this with "milk", "money" or "luggage", why don't you? ;)

[long whale]

Why use "man"? "Ich weiß nicht, wie ich diese Frage/das beantworten soll", resp. "Ich weiß nicht, wie ich darauf antworten soll" would work, though, yes. ;)

[sudden burrow]

if that's the case then why does "wenig Deutsch" work "a few German" doesn't make sense, or is it the only one allowed?

[granite spade]

The context was me not knowing how one responds to a particular idiomatic phrase haha, if there is a set response or not.. (“wie macht die Kunst?”)

[long whale]

wenig = little; wenig- = few

viel = much, a lot; viel- = many, a lot

[sudden burrow]

Ah, so when you drop the -e it's used for uncountable nouns. Dankeschön

[night dagger]

but also adverbially

i speak german, a little bit = ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch
i speak german, well = ich spreche gut Deutsch

if that helps

[sullen pier]

Or ich spreche Deutsch gut

Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch

[long whale]

E.g. as in "Ich habe wenig von der Stadt gesehen" (I saw little of the town/I haven't seen much of the town)

[sudden burrow]

Ah, so wenig and viel withot an e are treatet like adverb and can only be used to quantify uncountable nouns ex: Viel Glück/Viele Autos

Dankeschön!

[prisma hearth]

When do I say “Sie waren“ instead of “Sie wurden”

Like for “They were”

[plush pelican]

"wurden" is the past tense of "werden" = to get/ to become

Any time you could replace "to be" with "to get" or "to become", it's probably "werden". Otherwise, it's "sein"

To learn more about it, start learning about the passive voice in German. That's where you use "werden" like this

Das Haus wurde gebaut = The house got built.
Das Haus wird gebaut = The house is getting built.

https://youtu.be/43m6-wQuaGo?si=T4kAPsJpthLCiJaQ

[plain umbra]

But do note that passive is something you typically learn around the end of A2 and throughout B1, so don't try to rush to learn it early if you're still learning basic sentence construction right now.

[prisma hearth]

How do I know when I’m past A2?

[midnight mica]

type ">faq cefr" in #botchannel , might be helpful

[plain umbra]

There's no strict rule for the start/end of each level. You can use the command Helvik just wrote to see the descriptions of each level.

[ancient sequoia]

For me, it's about the point at which you generally understand natives at full speed, as long as they're speaking about topics you're familiar with.

In theory you're past A2 once you pass a B1 exam. But if you use these levels just as a self-classification then I'd say B1 is an early kind of conversational fluency.

[plain umbra]

It depends what you mean by being "past A2". Some would interpret that to mean you're done learning A2 content, which means passing the A2 exam.

But I will add that your CEFR level is not only about listening skills, as your comment suggests. It's a combination of your listening, speaking, writing and reading abilities. So you could be great at understanding someone speaking but not be B1 yet, or you could be basically C1 level with all the other skills but still struggle with listening (which is common).

[copper orchid]

How do I improve my pronunciation? I'm still A1 so my pronunciation is obviously not very good but I want to make sure once I reach a higher level, my pronunciation improves. Right now it doesn't really bother me because it's definitely not my biggest problem at the moment but it's a bit harder to make myself understood when pronouncing things incorrectly

[plain umbra]

A common way is listening to audios and repeating what's said.

Of course if you can chat with a native speaker (or at least someone with good pronunciation) and have them directly correct your weak points, that can be very useful, but of course it's not always easy to get someone to do that.

You can also post in #pronunciation for feedback.

[long whale]

In addition to the above, http://joycep.myweb.port.ac.uk/pronounce/consonch.html is generally a pretty helpful site, I think. The best method to improve pronunciation is 'shadowing', where you try to speak along with a native speaker, e.g. using a short dialogue with audio from your book, or a short scene from a video, or perhaps a part from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h4AurqUUuE It's an extremely boring, but also an excellent method. If you enjoy singing, you could use lyricstraining.com, e.g. sth like https://lyricstraining.com/de/play/kinderlieder-zum-mitsingen/grun-grun-grun-sind-alle-meine-kleider-lyrics/Hw0ZDLkdDw#b7w to get familiar with the lyrics, then try to sing along (which seems a lot less boring to me ;) )

[vernal ermine]

Does liebe have das or die Artikel?

[copper orchid]

https://der-artikel.de/die/Liebe.html

[vernal ermine]

Why alles is there in " Ich wünsche euch alles Liebe zur Hochzeit"

[long whale]

die Liebe (noun) = love. das Liebe (nominalized adjective/adjectival noun) = lovely/dear [thing] See https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/AdjectivalNouns/AdjectivalNouns.html

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[broken oasis]

"Wenn Doktor Bernstein in das Vorzimmer kommt, hat Inge angst." My germanteacher wrote that the wordchoice "Wenn" is wrong in this sentence. Why is it wrong, and what would be a better alternative?

[plush pelican]

What are you trying to express? Does the doctor come into the room regularly (as in, multiple times), or is it just something that happens once? Did it happen in the past, or are you talking about the present?

[long whale]

*Angst - The sentence is fine the way it is. My guess is: you were supposed to use a past tense, in which case you'd have to use "als" -> When talking about the past, you must use "als" whenever you could not use "whenever" in English: Als ich klein war... (When I was little/a child...) Als ich 10 Jahre alt war... (When I was 10 years old...) Als meine Eltern geheiratet haben... (When my parents got married...)

[plush pelican]

Somewhat more complicated question: Can a Partizipialsatz functioning as an adjective start with a noun?

For example: Die Anzahl an Kirche besuchenden Menschen ist in Irland relative hoch.

I've been told that Germans would tend to make that into a full adjective, so "die Anzahl an kirchbesuchenden Menschen"

But is the first sentence actually wrong?

[long whale]

Yup, it can. - Unfortunately, the example you chose sounds pretty unidiomatic to me for some reason, in both versions (can't even say which one seems stranger to me). But sth like "Ein von Parasiten befallener Organismus ist prinzipiell..." or "Von ihren Wählern im Stich gelassene Politiker haben häufig..." wouldn't stand out in an article.

Come to think of it, I feel we tend to prefer Partizipialattribute using Partizip II forms to Partizip I forms (but then, we generally do, don't we?). 🤔

[plush pelican]

I was told that "Die Anzahl an Kirche besuchenden Menschen" would then mean the number of churches, which I think that's just a misreading of the wording, because the rest of the sentence doesn't make sense if you do that

Can you think of an example of a Partizipialsatz that starts with a noun that wouldn't be unidiomatic?

[long whale]

Yeah, no, that's not it. (Whoever said that probably just felt as unhappy with the construction as I do, but was equally unable to come up with a really good reason. ;) )

[long whale]

What - didn't like my examples? confused

[plush pelican]

What examples?

Yours start with "von"

[long whale]

So, where's the difference?

[plush pelican]

I mean one that literally starts with a noun

[long whale]

They're still Partizipialattribute, aren't they?

[plush pelican]

Well, but I was told you can't have it start with a noun like in my example

your examples don't disprove that

[long whale]

LMGTFY... 😄

[plush pelican]

I've tried

I mostly get pages explaining what a Partizipialsatz is

and they, in turn, mostly give examples involving a prepositional phrase, like yours

[long whale]

Yeah... it's not at all impossible/wrong, just far less common: "Den Rücktritt des Präsidenten fordernd, zogen die Demonstranten durch die Straßen." Because of our preference for Partizip II.

[plush pelican]

How common is that kind of sentence, btw? I think I mentioned before, I read an indie author who used that construction constantly.

It's not wrong, but using it that often would be bad writing style, right?

[long whale]

Which construction?

[plush pelican]

"Den Rücktritt des Präsidenten fordend, zogen die..."

Having a Partizipialsatz separated by a comma and then the main clause

[long whale]

Are you sure it wasn't an extremely bad translation from English to German? Because yeah, that's uncommon, bordering on unidiomatic.

[plush pelican]

The book was written only in German, by a German native speaker

[long whale]

Meh. Then this was just an extremely untalented writer. 😄

"Seinen Rucksack vergessen habend, kehrte er nach Hause zurück." - that kind of thing?

[plush pelican]

So then, how does one know as a learner when it's appropriate to use this kind of stuff?

ja

[long whale]

Sheesh.

🤣

[plush pelican]

I'm trying to find an example sentence

[long whale]

Avoid at all cost, I'd say.

[plush pelican]

Hmmm, maybe it's something slightly different

[scarlet comet]

Servus! Es gibt einen Satz: “Kollektive Emotionen gehen selbstredend über die Zweierkonstellation hinaus: Teamemotionen, geteilte Emotionen in einer Organisation oder innerhalb des Staates bzw. einer Gruppe von beliebig vielen Menschen, die eine oder mehrere Gemeinsamkeiten besitzen. Bedeutet hier “Zweierkonstellation” Beziehungen zwischen 2 Menschen oder?

[long whale]

*oder

[plush pelican]

In the first couple of pages, these sentences pop out to me:

Die Wärme des Kamins im Rücken, tippte Feywind den Becher an und beobachtete, wie die Neige hin- und herschwappte, gleich dem Wellenschlag eines winzigen Sees.

Die Kapuze tief ins Gesicht gezogen, wollte er sich gerade auf den Weg zum Turm seines Vaters machen, als er frische Spuren im Schnee bemerkte, die von der Eingangstür zum Hinterhof der Schenke führten.

Von Neugier getrieben, umrundete Feywind das wuchtige, aus quer gelegten Eichenstämmen errichtete Gebäude.

The first one lacks a verb at all, the other two I think are Partizipialsätze, but with Partizip 2, not 1.

[scarlet comet]

Danke sehr

[long whale]

You can't end a question with "oder": Hast du Kopfschmerzen, oder? If you want the thing to end with "oder?", you have to use a main clause construction: Du hast Kopfschmerzen, oder?

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-learning-am-i-gif-16531775

[scarlet comet]

Kann ich dann in meinem Fall “nicht wahr” verwenden?

[long whale]

No. Same principle.

[scarlet comet]

Danke sehrrrr

[long whale]

Mm... Maybe the author just went a little overboard in their desire to avoid starting the majority of the sentences "Feywind verbte..." On their own, at least 1 and 3 are perfectly fine/unremarkable. But... you know, I mean, overuse of any kind of particular construction tends to get on the reader's nerves, doesn't it? (When I said "Avoid at all cost", I meant the example I came up with, using Partizip I)

[sullen pier]

Bist du zufällig Deutsch Lehrerin?

Immmmmmer egal wo und wann sehe ich wie du das ganze Wörterbuch erklärst

Dein Deutsch ist soooooo gut

[storm burrow]

WIe kann man in den Study-Groups im Chat schreiben? Der ist gesperrt.

[vernal ermine]

mit freundlichen Grüßen,

In the ending of letter, can I use small letter for mit and freundlichen and can I put comma at the end?

[long whale]

No. No.

[vernal ermine]

Which one is correct?

Mit Freundlichen Grüßen. Is this correct?

[long whale]

*freundlichen

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Jack Victor

is correct

[vernal ermine]

Danke 😊

Sehr geehrter Max,
Entschuldigen Sie bitte. Ich kann nicht zum Konferenz kommen weil ich habe einen Termin bei Arzt. Ich halte von dem Zahnschmerz aus , deshalb ich kann nicht zum Büro für drei Tage kommen. Können wir einen neuen Termin machen am Freitag morgen. Ich freue mich für Ihre Antwort.

Is this fine?

These are my own sentences.

[whole portal]

Alright let's start at the front

You can't put "Sehr geehrter <Vorname>"

Same with the Entschuldigen Sie

If you use their first name, you're at Du

So you probably wanna use Herr <Last Name>

Konferenz is feminine so zur

weil reverses the following sentence Order

Arzt is missing an Article

The next sentence doesn't work. I'm assuming you want to say something like "Ich habe Zahnschmerzen, ..."

The temporal modifier needs to come before nicht and I would suggest you say something like "die nächsten drei Tage" instead of "für drei Tage". The same issue is in the next sentence, the "am Freitag __M__orgen" needs to come before machen.

Lastly, you need to use auf, not für.

[vernal ermine]

Mit freundlichen Grüßen does it comes to the right or left side?

[whole portal]

Wdym

Text is usually left aligned?

[long whale]

In addition to the above: Sehr geehrter Max [last name],
entschuldigen Sie bitte. -> the first letter of the word after the greeting does not get capitalized.

[whole portal]

Oh yeah

The sentence just continues from the first line onwards, there's just a break

[long whale]

You get the 🏅 anyway. ;)

[vernal ermine]

Sehr geehrter Taylor,
entschuldigen Sie bitte. Ich kann nicht zur Konferenz kommen weil ich einen Termin bei dem Arzt habe . Ich bin Krank, deshalb ich zum Büro die nächsten drei Tag nicht kommen. Können wir einen neuen Termin am Freitag Morgen machen? Ich freue mich auf Ihre Antwort.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jack Victor

Now I corrected my mistakes. Is it good now?

[vernal ermine]

I didn't understand this point bro

[long whale]

Sehr geehrter Herr Taylor,
entschuldigen Sie bitte. Ich kann nicht zur Konferenz kommen**,** weil ich einen Termin bei dem Arzt habe. Ich bin krank, deshalb verb?? ich die nächsten drei Tage nicht zum Büro kommen. Können wir einen neuen Termin am Freitagmorgen machen? Ich freue mich auf Ihre Antwort.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jack Victor

[long whale]

I underlined the relevant part.

[vernal ermine]

I missed kann

Why zum Büro comes after nicht?

[long whale]

https://learnoutlive.com/german-negation-nicht/

[vernal ermine]

I got it now

@long whale Vielen Dank ❤

@whole portal Vielen Dank ❤🫂

I have one doubt, after sehr geehrter, can I use Herr before name?

[long whale]

*Sehr geehrter - You must use Herr for a man, Frau for a woman.

Formal letter:

Sehr geehrter Herr Taylor,

Sehr geehrte Frau Taylor,

Informal letter:

Lieber Max,

Liebe Susana,

[vernal ermine]

Thank you very much

@long whale

[copper orchid]

Ich finde es schön, dass die Sonne morgen scheint

Ich finde es schön, dass morgen die Sonne scheint

Which one is correct?

[long whale]

The 1st is not exactly wrong, but the 2nd is the normal/default version. Reason: we like it when time gets mentioned early. ;)

[keen robin]

Hallo! Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "Verantwortung" und "Haftung"?

[plush pelican]

Wait for a native to confirm this, but based on this: https://www.vde-verlag.de/buecher/leseprobe/9783800758821_PROBE_01.pdf

It seems "Verantwortung" is responsibility, whereas "Haftung" is legal liability. You can be responsible for an accident (as in, you caused it), but not legally liable for it (as in, you don't have to pay a fine or whatever as punishment).

Ah, here: https://de.hinative.com/questions/452410

[keen robin]

Ok, I see !

Thank you 🙂

[keen robin]

Wie heißt "solar panel" in Deutsch? Ich habe einige Übersetzungen gefunden.

[north spear]

Leute

Was ist ein handyrechnung was bedeutet
Es gibt nicht in meinem Heimatland:/

[north spear]

Ist es Für Internet oder was ?

[vernal ermine]

Aber ich fühle der Zug ist besser weil er schneller und billiger als das Auto ist.

Is this sentence correct?

[long whale]

Yeah. This depends on context. And since you didn't provide any... 😈 https://www.deepl.com/translator#en/de/They have solar panels on the roof of their house.

[long whale]

No. Don't use "fühlen". Use "denken". And put in the commas.

[vernal ermine]

I have already used denken for some sentence but I need some other word related to denken?

[vernal ermine]

Any idea? @long whale

[fervent kernel]

Ich glaube ,dass du auch glaube schreiben kannst

[night dagger]

ich bin der Meinung, dass

Meiner Meinung nach…

Ich würde sagen, dass …

Plenty of options

[neat badge]

Meiner Ansicht zum Thema/zu diesem Thema....
Ich bin der Auffassung
Ich bin dafür/dagegen...
In meiner Perspektive
Aus meiner Sicht

[long whale]

Do you know what "das Handy" means? And do you know what "die Rechnung" means?

[long whale]

Assuming you're interested: in aus meiner Perspektive ;)

[neat badge]

I would assume its for a phone u bought or your data Tarif bill

[analog wadi]

how to say i am back]

ich bin...

[delicate tiger]

"Ich bin wieder da"

[analog wadi]

ich bin deutsch '

lmaoi got thousands of dumb questions'

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[brittle rain]

Hey can i ask something
Is there any problem with this sentence and would a german say that ? ". Wir sind beide der Meinung , dass sich schwerwiegendere Probleme wie Rassenhass oder sogar extremistische Ansichten entwickeln können , die nicht nur für Deutschland, sondern auch für die Nachbarländer gefährlich sind."

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[delicate tiger]

middle part doesn't work "dass das können sich schwerwiegendere Probleme wie Rassenhass oder sogar extremistische Ansichten entwickeln"

[urban walrus]

are u look private?

[brittle rain]

so how it would be right ?

[delicate tiger]

"dass ~~das ~~sich" from your last edit

[brittle rain]

ok thx

[delicate tiger]

and no spaces before punctuation

[brittle rain]

and if I want to say: I thought that he would be 100% for a reduction from 8 to 5 years, but it was not so. Can i say it like that : Ich dachte, er weder zu 100 % eine Verkürzung von 8 auf 5 Jahre, aber das war nicht der Fall.

[delicate tiger]

"Ich dachte, dass er 100%ig für eine Verkürzung von 8 auf 5 Jahre sein würde, aber das war nicht der Fall."

[brittle rain]

what is the meaning of IG after 100%

[delicate tiger]

"hun­dert­pro­zen­tig"

[brittle rain]

okei thank you

[vernal ermine]

Can I use Sie form in conversation between friends.

[long whale]

Very, very unlikely. Not unless you're 60+, I'd say.

[vernal ermine]

What about in between neighbors and also Kollegen?

[long whale]

Kollegen - depends on the company. Nachbarn - usually Sie (until they become friends, if they become friends)

[vernal ermine]

But mostly what I have to use for Kollegen?

Can I use " was noch können wir machen? " for - what else we can do? @long whale

[long whale]

You don't work, do you? 🤔

[long whale]

No. Word order is wrong. You know that.

[vernal ermine]

I think I need to use Sie for elderly Kollegen and du for same age or young Kollegen. Am I right?

[vernal ermine]

Was können wir noch machen?

[vernal ermine]

Ist das okay? -- what other expressions are similar to that?

[subtle tree]

Does language fatigue go away as you get better at your target language?

[long whale]

No. Only children up to the age of about 14 are always addressed using "du", while they are expected to use "Sie" when talking to grown-ups outside their family. Otherwise, relations are always symmetrical in German: either both parties use "Sie" OR both parties use "du". If both are using "Sie" and are becoming friends, it's up to the older person to suggest switching to "du" (if they are roughly of the same age/status, either one can suggest it, of course).

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

Any idea? @long whale

[meager kelp]

Hallo, Könnten Sie mir bitte helfen? Im April habe ich B1-Prüfung und habe keine Wörter im Kopf. Wie muss ich machen?

[upper ember]

Warum glaubst du, dass du keine Wörter im Kopf behalten kannst?

[meager kelp]

Ja

[vernal ermine]

Is it good to use Es ist voller Bäume - for it is full of trees.

[vernal ermine]

I have this question.

[long whale]

Your sentence is correct, provided the "es" is for a neuter noun, e.g. "Das Land ist voller Bäume" -> "Es ist voller Bäume".

[vernal ermine]

How er is coming in voller?

[long whale]

"voller" can be a preposition meaning "full of", and that's what it is in your example.

[vernal ermine]

Does Er is not an adjective ending?

[long whale]

Not in this case.

[vernal ermine]

So can I use voller for all gender?

[long whale]

If you use it as a preposition, it can not change. You will only use it with plural and uncountable nouns -> voller Autos/Stifte/Bananen, voller Müll/Geld/Wasser -> gender doesn't matter.

[rapid zodiac]

why do some websites/videos list 5, some 6 or 7 accusative prepositions? i see that bis and entlang arent always listed, what's with them?

[long whale]

If you use it as a comparative adjective (voll, voller = full, fuller), the ending will change -> Das Programm ist voller als früher (The agenda/programme is fuller than it used to be) -> Es ist ein volleres Programm

[long whale]

Where does "von" show up as an Akkusativ preposition?

[rapid zodiac]

oops, i meant bis

[plain umbra]

There are a few prepositions that are a bit weird/unique, and entlang is one of those.

[vernal ermine]

Now I understand @long whale

Is there any fixed verb that is used with dass?

I habe eine Idee can I use dass after Idee?

[plain umbra]

So basically entlang can be used in multiple ways. It can be used as either a preposition or a postposition. I think, if I remember correctly, when it's a preposition, it's with genitive, and if it's a postposition, it's with accusative.

And colloquially the genitive can also be replaced with dative (as with many genitive prepositions).

And wiktionary adds this note: "A general tendency is to use the preposition with verbs showing location and the postposition with verbs of motion."

[long whale]

Ehh... "bis" is only ever used with Akkusativ. However, bis is often used in combination with "zu/zum/zur" which is a Dativ preposition -> bis zum + Dativ. Maybe check if it came up as "bis zu" in the Dativ list?

[long whale]

"Ich habe eine die Idee, dass..." is possible. Better use "Ich denke/glaube/meine..." instead, though.

[vernal ermine]

Ich habe die Idee : can I use this punctuation mark(:) after Idee and start with a capital letter?

@long whale

[long whale]

Don't do that. Write "Ich habe eine Idee. Wir könnten.../Ich werde..."

[vernal ermine]

Ja, Das folge ich.

[long whale]

Ja, das mache ich. "jemandem/etwas (Dativ!!) folgen" -> einem Rat folgen, resp. "etwas (Akkusativ) befolgen" -> einen Rat befolgen

[vernal ermine]

In Germany / Europe welche Verkehrsmittel ist besser? Auto/ Flugzeug/ Bahn. Für ein paare Kenntnisse, möchte ich das wissen.

[vernal ermine]

Do I have to change das to dem or my word usage is wrong?

[long whale]

Yes. Yes.

[vernal ermine]

Does anyone have any idea?

[long whale]

Just go google - where's the problem?

[vernal ermine]

But native people knew better about it and also about current situation.

[vernal ermine]

Anyway I google it.

One thing I want to know which is cheaper for longer / medium distance train / bus / Flugzeug in Europe ?

[long whale]

IMO, there is no answer to this. Country, booking in advance, destination - those all factor in.

[vernal ermine]

Danke @long whale

If I tell " Ich freue mich auf Sie " To reply that can I tell Ich auch or how can I reply ?

[brittle jacinth]

Heyy
besonders die ersten Wochen der Schwangerschaft sind häufig von Übelkeit begleitet
can we use werden instead of sind? why is sind better?

[long whale]

Think of "werden begleitet" as more of a process-like thing, like "get accompanied" or "are being accompanied". If you're talking about a head of state being accompanied by their spouse/ministers/assistants, "Der Präsident wird von seinem Handelsminister begleitet" sounds appropriate to me. Perhaps you'd like to have a look at my first post here: #1208877475715751976 message 🌻

[vernal ermine]

Any idea?

[calm kernel]

Er musste schon öfter Preise erhöhen.

Welche Bedeutung hat das Wort schon in diesem Kontext?

[odd wadi]

Ich mich auch

[vernal ermine]

How mich is coming?

[odd wadi]

„sich freuen“ is self-reflexive verb. So using "mich" is mandatory

[long whale]

🤔 Same as usual, I'd say.

[simple field]

Hallo zusammen. Wie habt ihr das Vokabular gelernt?

Ich benutze "Easy German" Videos im Moment

[clever basin]

Ich benutze meistens Flash Cards (Anki, oder eine andere App wie DuoCards oder Cram)

[night dagger]

mit allem, was möglich ist, aber Wörter aus dem Alltag zu nehmen und Karteikarten von denen zu erstellen ist wie ich am Ball bleib

also ANKI

[simple field]

Dann werde ich Flashcards fur die Worter die ich kenne nicht so gut. Danke

[vernal ermine]

But you missed freue verb. Is it possible to do like that?

[midnight mica]

I think so. Like:
— Ich liebe dich
— Ich dich auch

It's obvious what the second person means, so it's not mandatory to use the verb again.

[tulip obsidian]

It's great when some english speakers say it.
'Ick liebe Dick'

[vernal ermine]

Can I use it for formal?

[midnight mica]

not sure

[vernal ermine]

What I can use as an Alternative to ich mich auch in formal?

[sleek bone]

Ist das ein richtiger Satz?

"Ich höre Töne an, die Spaß machen."

[analog wadi]

on a english keyboard

how to use accents

[whole portal]

Either install an international one or type ae/oe/ue/ss

Also note that these are NOT accents

[analog wadi]

so buy new keyboard for my practice>

[long whale]

Grammar-wise, it's correct. It doesn't really make sense, though. 🌻

[plush pelican]

No, on Windows (and probably Mac as well) you can install a new keyboard layout as a software thing. Search "how to install English international keyboard"

[analog wadi]

danke sir! @plush pelican

[sleek bone]

Ach ja. Es ging um Computertöne oder Robotergeräusche, die Spaß machen. 😆

Dankeschön.

[odd wadi]

Ich freue mich auch

[calm kernel]

schon bedeutet "already" soweit ich weiß. übersetzen wir dann es so? "he had to rise the prices already"

[long whale]

Yes. The "schon" is simply there to emphasize it had happened (öfter = several times) before the moment of speaking.

[copper orchid]

whats the difference between bescheidgeben and sagen?

[fervent kernel]

Ich gebe Bescheid bedeutet,dass ich man Informationen geben

Sagen ist sagen

Ich sage dir etwas

[long whale]

You mean the diff. between "jemandem Bescheid geben" and "jemandem Bescheid sagen"?

No difference, I'd say, except the version with "sagen" is far, far more common/sounds far more normal/idiomatic to me.

[copper orchid]

I was asking about the former actually

Still pretty using though thank you

What does Hiermit mean here?

[long whale]

"here-with", i.e. "with this [letter/message]". In English, I think you could say sth like "This is to book..."

[copper orchid]

Thank you!

[vernal ermine]

Does anybody know how many genitive prepositions are in german?

@long whale is it necessary to learn genitiv prepositions also?

[long whale]

Did any come up in your book/course?

[vernal ermine]

I collected from internet, there were about 40.

[long whale]

I recommend focussing on getting basic sentences right, using the vocab required for B1.

[signal cipher]

So many of them are in this video.

https://youtu.be/IG9y972Ph8U?si=EqrC3vGxqNCg8eCo

If you want to use their meanings, yes you have to learn them. But you don’t have hurry, if you don’t have a mandatory test or something. Don’t be hurry. Just study efficiently. Eventually you will be able to learn everything.

And I suggest you to learn basics and vocabulary first. Because studying is not the only way to learn. You can learn when you read a book, when you chat etc. too. So be able to read, listen etc. first. You can cover the details later, more easily.

I have studied English in school but I have learned most of the English I know by playing WoW. It was easier and more fun way to learn. Still I make so many grammar or vocabulary mistakes but who cares, I can communicate in English.

[copper orchid]

Sometimes I get really confused on where I should put adverbs/adjectives. What is the rule for them?

[long whale]

There isn't a lot of choice, is there? You only have to decide which of the red ones to put first. And a pretty good rule of thumb for this is TeKaMoLo - if you've heard of this?

[signal cipher]

There are many. I don’t know any guide which covers all. But these would help.

https://germanwithlaura.com/german-word-order/
https://youtu.be/NDrNwaDwqJA?si=GyDQqZ3duGS4sr69
https://youtu.be/O-_cxHx5FD4?si=LxUuvz-_cdZpatKE
https://youtu.be/fVaBS8ECO1g?si=-sfjpfBV5jWN-dkZ

[signal cipher]

Also they don’t have completely fixed positions. For example you may move the emphasized adverb to the last position in adverbs group.

And I suggest you to learn these detail stuff by reading. Check the sentences in books etc.

Because finding guides about details is harder. Most of the guides teach basics. And trying to learn them by studying harder then getting used to.

Detailed guides about German are generally in German. And to be able to use them efficiently you should learn to read German first.

[prisma hearth]

How do I master those dative prepositions? Ex. an, auf, zu, nach, in

[signal cipher]

By using every method. One of them is reading example sentences on tatoeba.org

[long whale]

Only "zu" and "nach" are Dativ prepositions! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/09/c1/4809c140883760c2d8868ea421ce80f1.png

For the others, see >faq two-way prepositions in #botchannel

[prisma hearth]

Hmm

Either way they’re still pretty complicated for me

Thank you though

[frozen trail]

Kurze Frage:

"Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
hiermit bewerbe ich mich bei Ihrem Unternehmen eine Ausbildung als Koch."

ist der Satz so richtig?

[night dagger]

„um“ oder „für“ die Ausbildung ja

[frozen trail]

danke dirr

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[vernal ermine]

Das ist in Ordnung.

[main tartan]

Is B2 hard? I really need words of motivation rn

[night dagger]

Doable in a little less than 2 years in my experience

Just gotta stay on the ball, learn everyday, even if only for a little bit, and incorporate the language into your everyday, YouTube, music, movies, shows, etc.

[main tartan]

Thank you

[prisma hearth]

How do i start speaking more instantaneously in German? Aka thinking in German?

[vestal wagon]

for this you will need to make german speaking friends and hear the language more often. When i moved to germany my german on paper was A2 but i was struggling to make out basic sentences, only after i made german friends and started listening to the language more often i became okay at speaking and thinking in the language.

[fervent kernel]

Submerse yourself in German, like a language bath.
Try practicing German for at least 4-5 hours per week, reading, listening, writing etc.
Your brain will become used to the language.

it just takes time

also can someone correct a sentence of mine?

[dusky condor]

anyone have some intresting german poadcasts to suggest? and does anyone have any intresting content creator also? doesnt matter the platform

[topaz shoal]

"Jay & Arya - Der eigentlich ganz gute Podcast " is a good podcast and I really enjoy watching "need to know" (youtuber)

[plush pelican]

for what level of German?

[scarlet token]

EasyGerman on Youtube is pretty good with that stuff

helpful for learners

[subtle tree]

How do I stop myself from translating what I read into English? I usually don't have this problem until I read for more than ten or so minutes.

[plush pelican]

🤷‍♂️

I still don't really understand what people mean when they claim to "never translate"

[plain umbra]

Generally it's totally fine to translate in your head to your native language. The important thing is make sure you are not trying to force German to be another language and just taking it as it is.

Like the main issue beginners have is that they try to translate word-by-word into their own language. That's definitely not a good idea.

But if it's simply that you rephrase it in your head in a different language, that's not a problem.

[subtle tree]

Basically when you see a word you just understand it. Like most of the time you won't think of the word "homosexual" when you hear "gay" even though they're about the same concept.

[plain umbra]

I think the important thing to recognise with this is that you have to develop that feeling for every word individually. There's no switch you can turn on to suddenly understand the entire vocab at once. You have to develop it one by one.

So there are probably already many words you understand directly.

But then when you read a whole text, you're simply encountering more words that you don't read as often and you didn't develop the sense of all those words yet.

[subtle tree]

Thanks for the advice. I'm sorry that I can't really think up a detailed response about what you said.

[plain umbra]

That's fine.

[vernal ermine]

Wir können einen Ausflag machen / wir werden einen Ausflag machen.

Which is the correct one to use?

[long whale]

wir können = it is possible vs. wir werden = this is a fixed plan, the trip is scheduled. You'd be far more likely to use "wir könnten" (we could), to make a suggestion, though.

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[signal cipher]

Also it’s Ausflug

Können is about facility, ability and possibility.

[vernal ermine]

Oops 😅

For suggestion which sentence and which tense is good to use?

[long whale]

I told you! #questions-2 message

könnten = could = Konjunktiv II

[vernal ermine]

I have to give 5 suggestion during a conversation which is part of exam/exercise . I don't know which word to use except Vorschlagen . Does any other words are there?

[vernal ermine]

Yes, I do it

[dusky condor]

just started B2

[vernal ermine]

Any idea?

[long whale]

Look at your book. Look at the Redemittel list. Otherwise google sth like "B1 Vorschläge machen"

@vernal ermine

[vernal ermine]

Okay 👍

Can I use--> Ich denke, dass wir uns am Samstagabend um 14 uhr am Bahnhof treffen könnten. Is das Ok?

Is it fine?

[long whale]

It works, yes.

[long whale]

14 Uhr is not "evening/Abend", though!

[vernal ermine]

Is das Okay? I use it Repeatedly . Is it normal?

[vernal ermine]

Ja, Nachmittag 😅

[vernal ermine]

@long whale

[long whale]

If you want to pass the exam, you should not only use "Ist das okay?"

[vernal ermine]

I searched in Internet. It is difficult to find an Alternative for it. Do you know some? @long whale

[long whale]

LMGTFY 😡 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lwUjqQoOZo

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank 😊❤

Why we are using Davon in " Was hältst du davon" ?

[whole portal]

hältst

[long whale]

What do you think of-this?

[vernal ermine]

So do I have to start with Davon as my response?

[long whale]

Not really. You're supposed to either agree (respond with sth like "That's a good idea") or disagree ("Why don't we + different suggestion...")

[vernal ermine]

Okay 👍

[plush pelican]

You should update your level; your flair shows you as A-level still.

If you've only just started B2, you'll prob need to listen to German learning podcast stuff still.

Easy German Podcast, 14 Minuten, etc.

I have a long list of German YouTube channels, but a lot of them might be a bit too fast for you at the moment. Nevertheless, here is the list, in case you want to look over it:

https://www.reddit.com/user/Arguss/comments/198qcqw/deutschsprachige_youtubekanäle/

[lavish marlin]

faq vc

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[forest ravine]

Warum wird Lässt für "to get a haircut" verwendet?

[boreal swift]

"Lassen" hat viele Bedeutungen. Aber in diesem Kontext bedeutet es, dass du jemand anderem erlauben, die Arbeit zu erledigen.

zB: "Ich werde mein Auto reparieren lassen" Das heißt ein Mechaniker wird es reparieren.

[plush pelican]

die_stille hat Recht

Auf Englisch: "lassen" here means something like "to get (something done for you)"

Ich lasse mir die Haare schneiden = I get my hair cut (by someone else, probably a barber or hairdresser)

You don't explicitly say who will do it, so you leave it to be assumed that the most obvious choice (a hairdresser or barber) is probably what you mean.

Look at the 2nd meaning on this page: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Lassen/Lassen.html

[lavish marlin]

It looks like there was a bug with our bot, however do note that VC permissions have absolutely nothing to do with selecting roles or channels.
Please make sure to read #getting-started, as I hinted earlier, and tell me what it says about joining VC.

Thanks for reading the channel.
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[finite hull]

is it good? Ich meine, das liegt daran, dass es wie ein Hotel für Senioren aussah, es waren keine jungen Leute da

[forest ravine]

Ach so, Das macht Sinn. Danke.

[forest ravine]

Danke schön

[tiny scaffold]

Last clause needs to be ''es gab keine jungen Leute dort''

Es gibt = there is
Es gab = there was

[finite hull]

thank you but does the sentence before look great?

[tiny scaffold]

Ja

[finite hull]

thank you mate

[long whale]

This definitely didn't need changing! "es gibt" doesn't fully correspond to "there is/are", it's more like "there exist/s".

[long whale]

Yup, looks good.

[tiny scaffold]

Hm, ''es waren'' would be like ''it was no young people'' which sounded odd to me

[long whale]

No. OP wrote "es waren keine jungen Leute da", which is a perfectly idiomatic way of putting things. If you were talking about a party, it would sound quite odd if you said sth like Es gab dort viele/eine Menge Leute

[tiny scaffold]

So you could use sein + da or ''es gibt'' to mean similar things?

Or do they mean similar things but in different contexts?

Ah, I see now, the waren + da is an indiomatic construction

[prisma hearth]

What do I do when I’ve hit a plateau in learning? Like, everything around above my level is too hard for me, and anything below is too easy?

[signal cipher]

If you study efficiently hard things will become easy for sure.

[prisma hearth]

maybe that’s it

[signal cipher]

Also you can try to chat or read books if you are bored of studying.

Or only study vocabulary and give a break from grammar.

[prisma hearth]

It’s mainly just my understanding of speaking, and I can’t seem to get it better

[full osprey]

heyy could anyone teach my like texting norms in german when you like text someone and stuff

[signal cipher]

I didn’t understand. Is you speaking bad?

[steel patrol]

Umgangssprache und Abkürzungen?

[full osprey]

everything bad

like in terms of everything im new

[prisma hearth]

like, my understanding of spoken words

[long whale]

Look, if you say sth like "There are people who think/say...", then you're just saying "those people exist" -> "es gibt..." is fine. We also use "es gibt" for things being available/for sale/on offer. However, we don't usually use "es gibt" for easily movable objects (Auf dem Tisch gibt es liegt/ist eine Zeitung), for things you can see in a picture, or things like the number of people in a certain location. 🌻

[full osprey]

oh my bad i thought you replied to my msg

[signal cipher]

There are story videos on you tube. You can also turn simple texts to sounds on websites. You can watch kid shows like peppa pig.

[steel patrol]

I would suggest looking into these topics (YouTube is great for that) — but not overdoing it, especially as a beginner.

[full osprey]

both, like a breif understanding of how people text each other in german

[steel patrol]

Being familiar with this sort of thing is definitely useful though

[full osprey]

im trying to text someone who knows german but also english, so we speak in english but his english is basic and idk how people text in german like the norms it would be a bit better yk

[full osprey]

i see

[steel patrol]

Or alternatively you could just get one of those language exchange apps (Tandem, HelloTalk) and you’ll see how natives write that way

[long whale]

You may have your reasons for asking about that. However, people use a lot of colloquial language in texting. So, if you have a choice, I'd warmly recommend you learn normal/formal German first.

[full osprey]

are people like formal when they text in german or

like is it like idk like flirty when texting or like are people like super formal when it comes to texting in german

asking for research purposes

[long whale]

Did you not see, not read or not understand my message? This one: #questions-2 message

[full osprey]

gotchu

[tiny scaffold]

So tangible objects would use da instead right? That makes sense to me

Es gibt = general existence
Sein + da = tangible existence

Coins on the table, cats in the house, cars in the garage, all use da

[long whale]

Ehh... "Auf dem Tisch liegt/ist Geld", "Das [or some sort of quantifier, like Ein bisschen] Geld liegt auf dem Tisch". "In der Garage stehen 3 Autos". "Es sind zwei Katzen im Haus" -> You could use "da ist/sind" instead, but it's not as if it's necessary. 🤷

I'm also not sure how "In München gibt es viele Museen, Hotels und Geschäfte" would relate to general vs. tangible existence. 🤔

[tiny scaffold]

I'm asking if you could use ''da'' in those 3 cases and not ''es gibt''

[tiny scaffold]

Well, here you're saying that Munich has all these places, but not specifically which ones, or specifically ones in your vicinity

''In dieser Straße sind viele Museen'' = ''Da sind viele Museen''

As opposed to talking about there being many museums in Munich in general

[surreal crypt]

Does anybody know any German e-book sites/digital reading apps? I am trying to find a digital copy of Im Land der Schokolade und Bananen and can't find any, wanted to check if there was a way to get it elsewhere

[copper orchid]

Letzt woche habe ich ein tolles Buch gekauft. Ich lese es gern. Ich habe auch viele kleidung gekauft. Ich habe eine schwarze Jacke, eine blaue Hose, einen braunen Gürtel, und ein Paar braune Schuhe gekauft. Sie sehen sehr schön aus. Vor ein paar tagen, war ich in der Supermarkt, Weil ich Lebensmittel gebracht hat. Ich habe einen roten Apfel, ein Paar Zwiebel, und eine Dose Thunfisch gekauft. Das war alles.

I'm practicing adjective endings so I'd appreciate if someone checked my writing

[copper orchid]

Eines Tages musste ich Apfelsaft für eine Party kaufen. Es hätte im Supermarkt verschiedene Säfte geben. Ich habe den Saft mit einem schonen Apfelbild mitgenommen. Auf der Party, viele leute haben den Saft versucht, aber er war kein Apfelsaft. Er war Orangensaft. Das war total lustig und wir hätten ihn sehr gern trinken.

Could someone also check this text? Thanks in advance

[plush pelican]

I've bought books in German on Kindle

I live in the US, so it's actually a little tricky to find such books, though, as Amazon.com usually tries to recommend you the English language version of a book.

[tiny scaffold]

You can find German translations of books

For example, Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, Hunger Games, what have you

[surreal crypt]

Yeah that seems to be the problem I'm running into, Ive set my location to German and will probably have it sent to someone I know for photocopying

thanks though

[plain umbra]

You can try Onleihe. Note that it only works outside of Germany. https://www.goethe.de/ins/au/en/kul/kon/onl.html

[surreal crypt]

Wasn't there sadly

[long whale]

Why did you use "hätte"? You can't use it for things which really happened in the past. Word order is wrong in the sentence starting with "Auf der Party...". When you explain what something is/was or is not, you use "es/das". (Imagine someone is pointing to a dog and saying it's a cat. If you wanted to correct that person, you could not point to the dog (der) and say Die ist keine Katze. Die/Der (?? 🤕) ist ein Hund.

[signal cipher]

LangBrowser let you read TXT. It has build in google translator. And you can list words, phrases and send them to your e mail.

[copper orchid]

Einmal musste ich Apfelsaft für eine Party kaufen. Es hat im Supermarkt verschiedene Säfte gegeben. Ich habe den Saft mit einem schönen Apfelbild mitgenommen. Auf der Party haben viele leute den Saft versucht, aber es war kein Apfelsaft. Es war Orangensaft. Das war total lustig und wir hätten ihn sehr gern trinken.

[vernal ermine]

Könnten wir ein Iphone für sie kaufen? - Am I correct?

[copper orchid]

If you have time, could you please check this writing too?

[brave flint]

So I learned that "abhängen von" means to depend on something: Das Datum des Picknicks hängt von der Wettervorhersage ab.

Are the following sentences also okay? Is there a difference in nuance/meaning?

• Das Datum des Picknicks kommt auf die Wettervorhersage an.
• Das Datum des Picknicks ist auf die Wettervorhersage angewiesen.

[vernal ermine]

Where we buy a phone or mobile? How we call the place in german?

[vernal ermine]

Is that you bro ? 😊 @plush pelican

[long whale]

No, I'm afraid not. To make those work, both would require some kind of clause, like for the 1st, you could go with sth like "It's up to the weather forecast[,] on which day we'll have the picknick/which date we'll set for the picknick. For the 2nd, it's even more difficult because it has a different meaning. "auf jdn/etwas angewiesen sein" is more like... "Ich bin auf deine Hilfe angewiesen" ~ "I absolutely, totally cannot do without your help" or "Er ist gelähmt. Er ist auf fremde Hilfe angewiesen." = "He's paralyzed. He requires the help of others/He cannot do without a helping hand."

[long whale]

This is a lot better! "mitgenommen" is not quite wrong, but it's more like "I took it with me in passing", so we'd say "genommen" (you chose it). Leute. The last bit is still wrong: "... wir hätten ihn sehr gern trinken -> check past participle", plus, it means "... we would very much have liked to drink it (but did not)"

[long whale]

The underlined words are missing the correct ending or they are in the wrong form: Letzt Woche habe ich ein tolles Buch gekauft. Ich lese es gern. Ich habe auch viele Kleidung (in German: much, because "Kleidung" is singular uncountable, i.e. it doesn't have a plural, same as milk, for example) gekauft. Ich habe eine schwarze Jacke, eine blaue Hose, einen braunen Gürtel, und ein Paar braune Schuhe gekauft. Sie sehen sehr schön aus. Vor ein paar Tagen (no comma!) war ich in der (gender??) Supermarkt, weil ich Lebensmittel gebracht hat (he/she/it [has] brought - ???). Ich habe einen roten Apfel, ein Paar Zwiebel, und eine Dose Thunfisch gekauft. Das war alles. Not bad! 🌻

@copper orchid

[brave flint]

Wie würdest du den ersten Satz formulieren, mit "ankommen auf"?

[long whale]

I thought I'd told you? "It's up to the weather forecast[,] on which day we'll have the picknick/which date we'll set for the picknick."

[brave flint]

Nein, ich meine, auf Deutsch

Entschuldige, ich war unklar

[long whale]

*Ich habe mich unklar/nicht deutlich ausgedrückt or Mein Satz war unklar

[brave flint]

danke 🙂

[long whale]

No, I got that. I was just suggesting you try yourself. ;)

[brave flint]

Es kommt auf die Wettervorhersage an, an welchen Tag wir einen Termin fürs Picknick vereinbaren könnten.

Stimmt das?

[long whale]

Almost. welch- doesn't have the proper ending. I was thinking of "..., ... Tag wir das Picknick abhalten", but yours works fine. 🌻

[brave flint]

an welchem Tag? 🙂

i didn't know the word „abhalten“ 😅

(now i do)

can I use abhalten for other events?

im Büro eine Besprechung abhalten?
im Park ein Grillfest abhalten?
eine Geburtstagsparty abhalten?

danke nochmals 🌻

[vernal ermine]

Can I use das Mobilegeschaft or Telefongeschaft?

Mobilekaufhaus? /Telefonkaufhaus?

[versed mountain]

Mobile phone is Handy in German, you'd usually say Handyshop or Handyladen, if you're talking about one of the small ones we got too many of.

[copper orchid]

Letzte Woche habe ich ein tolles Buch gekauft. Ich lese es gern. Ich habe auch viele (I still don't really understand the mistake with viel, could you please elaborate?) Kleidung gekauft. Ich habe eine schwarze Jacke, eine blaue Hose, einen braunen Gürtel, und ein Paar braune Schuhe gekauft. Sie sehen sehr schön aus. Vor ein paar Tagen war ich im Supermarkt, weil ich Lebensmittel gebraucht habe. Ich habe einen roten Apfel, ein Paar Zwiebel, (whats wrong with Zwiebel?) und eine Dose Thunfisch gekauft. Das war alles.

[long whale]

Find the error: ... weil ich ... gebraucht hat. ;) Please look up the plural of "Zwiebel".

das Buch, die Bücher -> Ich habe viele Bücher. vs. das Gepäck (luggage, no plural, not in English, not in German -> uncountable noun) -> Ich habe viel Gepäck.

That's clear, isn't it? many books vs. much luggage, right?

[copper orchid]

Einmal musste ich Apfelsaft für eine Party kaufen. Es hat im Supermarkt verschiedene Säfte gegeben. Ich habe den Saft mit einem schönen Apfelbild genommen. Auf der Party haben viele Leute den Saft versucht, aber es war kein Apfelsaft. Es war Orangensaft. Das war total lustig und wir hatten ihn sehr gern trinken.

[long whale]

And "die Kleidung" works the same as "das Gepäck".

[long whale]

wir hatten ihn sehr gern trinken = we had drink it very gladly - ?? wir haben ihn sehr gern getrunken (= Perfekt)

[copper orchid]

Letzte Woche habe ich ein tolles Buch gekauft. Ich lese es gern. Ich habe auch viel Kleidung gekauft. Ich habe eine schwarze Jacke, eine blaue Hose, einen braunen Gürtel, und ein Paar braune Schuhe gekauft. Sie sehen sehr schön aus. Vor ein paar Tagen war ich im Supermarkt, weil ich Lebensmittel gebraucht habe. Ich habe einen roten Apfel, ein Paar Zwiebeln, und eine Dose Thunfisch gekauft. Das war alles.

[copper orchid]

Oh I thought it would have the same meaning

[long whale]

How do you say "I have" in German? @copper orchid

I mean, you got it right when you bought the red apple and the onions. Why would you want to use a different form for needing "Lebensmittel"?

[copper orchid]

Oh my bad

should be correct now?

[long whale]

ich habe gekauft -> ich hab_ gebraucht @copper orchid

The verb (in this case: haben) must be conjugated according to the subject (in both sentences: ich).

[copper orchid]

Oh my bad again I corrected it here

[copper orchid]

Should be fine now?

[long whale]

Yes, it's all good now. 😅

[copper orchid]

Thank you for the help!

[worn sigil]

why is this in the akkusativ: Wer ist nach (him) ....... an der Reihe?

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than one channel. People will not realize a question has been answered elsewhere -> waste of time and effort. 🌻

[gaunt heart]

I learned that added -chen to a word makes it Neuter (like das Mädchen), but according to the sources im using chopsticks = Die stäbchen. If it ends in -chen, why is it Feminine?

[long whale]

It isn't. It's just that a chopstick rarely shows up on its own, alone. ;)

And have you also checked the plural form of nouns ending in -chen?

[gaunt heart]

ohhh, i thought it was singular that makes sense

[gaunt heart]

oh, it doesn’t change?

thanks for the help that makes sense

[elfin crag]

when we use akkusative dative please

[long whale]

Have a look at this: #questions message - then come back for further questions?

[tiny scaffold]

faq accusative

[stoic mauve]

Accusative

The accusative case (der Akkusativ) is one of the four cases of the German language. A case affects how a noun or noun phrase is inflected, and indicates the role of the noun or noun phrase in a clause.

How do I decline in the accusative case?

Feminine and neuter nouns and adjectives are the same as nominative. Masculine determiners, adjectives, and weak nouns gain an -en ending::

Ich esse den/einen/keinen kleinen Apfel.

Personal pronouns differ for:

ich --> mich
du --> dich
er --> ihn
wir --> uns
ihr --> euch

For a full explanation see >explain adjective declension

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[sturdy solar]

what is the difference between suchen nach and suchen

?

[long whale]

I don't think there's a huge difference, really. Plain "suchen (+ Akk.)" is far more common, though. 🌻

[long whale]

It's great that you're helping here. Still, I'd recommend you either put your German example sentences through deepl write before posting them, or at least point out you're a learner yourself... Please note nouns with a normal plural, i.e. one with no change in meaning, aren't usually used in singular without any article at all. Which is why neither of your examples works without an article. Also, although your explanation looks good, to my knowledge, it simply isn't correct. 🌻

[tiny scaffold]

Oh, I see what you're saying

I thought the ''nach'' represented something tangible in the meaning. It doesn't really. My mistake

[vernal ermine]

Apart from handyladen, in which area the mobiles are available?

[whole portal]

You mean a carrier shop?

since you can also just buy them at like Media Markt

[outer edge]

hi ist belegte Brote synonym of sandwich?

are they completely interchangeable?

[vernal ermine]

Where people get discounts/ offer more for Handy in Germany?

[brave harbor]

Order lol

[brave harbor]

Sandwich is more... Made with 'sandwich toast' (which we don't call bread) while belegtes Brot is done with proper bread

[vernal ermine]

Just to prepare a dialogue, I don't know where to suggest my friend to buy a mobile/ Handy in Germany?

[brave harbor]

If it's just for a dialogue, suggest anything.
Elektofachmarkt (electronics store)
Amazon
Tell him to go to a Vodafone store and take an overly expensive contract right with it etc...

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[past bobcat]

Hallo Leute. Welcher Satz ist richtig?

Ich liebe am Nachmittagen schlafen.
oder
Ich liebe am Nachmittags schlafen.

[tiny scaffold]

Neither.

''nachmittags'' OR
''am Nachmittag''

You'll also need ''zu'' before ''schlafen''

[bleak inlet]

I have a problem. I'm trying to understand how adjective declensions work but every single site explaining it is confusing to me. HOW does this work? Can anyone link me a very clear and detailed explanation to how to do this?

[near folio]

What about this? http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/adjectives/adjective-declensions/

[real valley]

any good german band recommendations

besides rammstein and die Arzt

[bleak inlet]

yeah, I think this one helped since it's pretty straightforward. thank you 🙂

[gray swift]

Liebe Somer,
Hallo! Die Reise ist nicht schlecht. Wir gingen zum Strand, wie wir Volleyball in der Nähe des Ufers spielten und auch ein Sonnenbad nahmen. Wir sind in die Berge gegangen und haben gewandert. Und dann sind wir ans Meet gegangen und haben geschwommen. Wir haben ein Zelt aufgestellt um am Meer zuübernachten. Aber es gibt auch etwas, das uns nicht gefällt. Das wetter ist nicht gut. Die Sonne ist zu heiß und es gab zu viel Verkehr während der Fahrt. Wir waren zu müde, als wir wandern wollten. Aber eine besser Reise ist, dass wir genug Geld haben sollten, sollten wir alle Ressourcen, die notwendig sind und sollte gepackt werden. Es ist notwendig, einen Erste-Hilfe-Kasten mitzunehmen. Wir können mehr Unterhaltung haben, wenn wir als Gruppe reisen.
Liebe Grüße,
xxxxxxx.

Is my e-mail correct? Please correct it and solve my mistakes.

[peak sluice]

Please answer this. Thank you

[plush pelican]

passive voice (When the dishes are served cold) uses "werden". The real issue here is English, which uses "to be" for both things like "he is old" and for passive voice (the dishes are served).

In German, these are split into "sein" for the former use and "werden" (to get/become) for the latter.

Pro-tip: if you can replace "to be" with "get" or "become" (The dishes got served), it's probably "werden" that you need.

Here's an introductory video on passive voice in German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43m6-wQuaGo&t=52s

[peak sluice]

Thank you very much. Appreciate it!

[scarlet hull]

Oomph maybe if you like industrial? blues fan in the states but i like learning with german rap- slang, dialect, etc. I'm not great tho so maybe with a grain of salt lol

[real valley]

i do love industrial

[fervent kernel]

What is "Duzen" and "Siezen"? How different is it from "Du" and "Sie", and when do I use it?

[delicate tiger]

">faq Duzen vs. siezen" in #botchannel

[fervent kernel]

Alright

Oh also, if I was to use "Sie" (formal) in a sentence, if it were to be after a comma, would I still capitalize it? F.e "Blah blah blah, Sie sind etc."?

[fervent kernel]

I don't understand what it means by "to be on du-basis with someone"

[delicate tiger]

"Kannst du mir helfen?" (du) vs "Können Sie mir helfen?" (Sie) which formal level you use when talking to someone

[fervent kernel]

"Können Sie mir helfen"

@delicate tiger

[delicate tiger]

"duzen" is just the act of using "du" with someone

[fervent kernel]

How would I use duzen in a sentence just so I don't get confused?

[delicate tiger]

"Sollen wir uns duzen?"

[fervent kernel]

Or "wollen" (want) or "können" (can) but yeah I'd stick with "sollen" especially in workplace its more formal than "wollen" 😄

Siezen = formal, duzen = informal

[charred harbor]

Isn't "Wir können uns gern duzen, wenn du möchtest" kind of weird?

I feel like it's like asking "Is it okay to eat this biscuit?" while eating it right in front of them 🤣

[fervent kernel]

Haha

Yeah its weird

Not a good example bc u cant ask if you want to duze someone and then duze him right after before he accepts

[frail heron]

I mean there are formal ways to say it

[fervent kernel]

What do U mean?

[frail heron]

You could just ask
"Wäre es für Sie in Ordnung wenn ich Sie mit du anspreche?"
Which well, sounds a bit clunky, but should work

[fervent kernel]

Also a way yes

At my workplace everyone says "du" even to the leaders, boss

[keen robin]

To say that your vote doesn't have a real impact on the result, would you say something like:
Meine Stimme ist wirklich nicht wichtig.

(Actually, my vote is not important.)

[fervent kernel]

Yes you can say that

[pure crescent]

That's more like "My vote is really unimportant" — it puts the emphasis on the "wirklich nicht". And "wirklich nicht" is a set phrase that simply strengthens the "nicht".
But what you mean is something different: you mean to say that it's "not really, actually, in truth" important. But you can't use wirklich for the negation here, as it's part of the set phrase that simply strengthens the "nicht".

I would phrase your sentiment as:
Meine Stimme zählt nicht wirklich.
or
Meine Stimme nützt doch eh nichts. [emphasis on the resignation you experience]
or
Meine Stimme ist in Wahrheit gar nicht wichtig.
or
Meine Stimme verändert das Ergebnis nicht.
etc. more options available — but yours communicates something different.

[fervent kernel]

Well yeah its really not important

[keen robin]

Ok I see, thanks a lot. That's clearer now!

[fervent kernel]

Hallo Leute

This word ''spazieren "

The 'ie' sound how to pronounce?

[fervent kernel]

You can Google it "spazieren Dict"

And there Is a sample of a guy saying it

[delicate tiger]

most online dictionaries have audio samples

[fervent kernel]

In two different ways

[buoyant cove]

Any YouTube channels good for just watching and enjoying the content while learning?

[signal cipher]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLr6WE_9QaY5-gXWPMl3ZZFl4_jOLbJoFr&si=L7jXLi4PNyftlUhp

[fervent kernel]

Hi everyone
Why darin here is not right?

[night dagger]

Why do you think it's right? :) you can just remove it and the sentence is fine.
darin is something you could use when saying "inside of that", for example: das ist das Zimmer und darin ist die Katze.

[night dagger]

oh and you dont need the comma at the end for Liebe Grüße (or similar), even if gmail or whatever else does it automatically for you

[whole portal]

You're looking for dorthin

I'd use neither dort nor da and just use hingehen as the verb

[fervent kernel]

cus in the test I want to show that I can use A2 grammer : )

[open parcel]

Hallo zussamen ich habe ein frage, when do we use “wenn” and when do we use “als”

[whole portal]

I assume you mean when they translate to english 'when'?

when as in if -> wenn
when as in the time something happened -> als

[charred harbor]

If it’s helpful it should be “eine Frage” by the way
And it’s “zusammen”

[rapid zodiac]

Füller is short for Füllfeder which is short for Füllfederhalter? Is Füller colloquial and the other 2 formal?

[cursive spoke]

Füller is not short for Füllfeder, but directly short for Füllfederhalter, and yes, it is colloquial

[cursive spoke]

Did you use darin because ins is used with Kino? (ins Kino gehen)?

[cursive spoke]

That's a big question, because the words have many uses. Can you tell us specific sentences so we can see which context you want to know about? (grammatically)

[cursive spoke]

wo wir Volleyball
sind gewandert (verb of transportation!!)
sind geschwommen (verb of transportation!!)
Comma after "aufgestellt"
Second-last sentence makes no sense

[cursive spoke]

Look up "Zu-Infinitiv"

[fervent kernel]

Yes that is what I thought of
is it wrong?

[prisma hearth]

When do I use “falls” “ob” and “wenn” for the word “if” in German?

[signal cipher]

Ob is “positive or negative”

If … happened or … not happened

I don’t know if you are a doctor or not.

[prisma hearth]

Thank you. And for “falls”?

[signal cipher]

I need a professional help for that:

https://yourdailygerman.com/falls-meaning/

[prisma hearth]

So falls is used when it’s especially surprising the result will happen?

or that you’ll be surprised if it does?

[fervent kernel]

Ich kann dir helfen, falls/wenn du willst = i can help you if you want.

[signal cipher]

I meant Mr Emanuel. The ultimate German teacher.

He is the one.